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[PoE 1]
>[3.28] Mirage
https://pathofexile.com/mirage

[PoE 2]
>[0.5.0] Return of the Ancients
https://pathofexile2.com/ancients

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He Won
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I am NOT a jingakh.
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im new to poe2 are there any true melee classes i wanted to play huntress but it seems that i just mash lightning spear
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>>567498337
Warrior?
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>steals every single build from youtube or reddit
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Alright you lot I've got some spare time on my hands so let's try this. I'm actually reasonably happy with most - but not all - design decisions behind poe2.
Give me whatever criticisms of the systems you might have and I'll try and see if I can defend my standpoint.
Doomposters, people about to call me a GGG shill or people who aren't interested in a good faith back and forth need not apply.
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>>567498376
Don't engage. "True melee" is a nonsense term that just serves start arguments.
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>>567498564
Bonezone is true melee
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comparison is the thief of joy
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why's poo2 atlas so bad............
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>>567498985
Better than poo 1
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>>567499027
many are saying this
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>>567499027
...not.
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>>567498536
The removal of DoT multiplier and the simplification of ailments means that scaling ailments is a much less interesting prospect in PoE2
It also further funnels builds into being crit based, which again is fairly uninteresting, but I suppose it simplifies the game if that was their goal
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>>567499027
Not even a little bit.
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>>567498536
Begone, shill
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>haven't played poo in a year
>excited to play it again and see all the improvements
>download 150 jigabytes at 3 MB/s
>log in
>still the same backpeddle slog
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>>567499059
>>567499117
Poe 1 atlas is absolute garbage and you're just coping.
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>>567499027
when it had tower tablets, now it's utter shit and dead boring
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3 more sleeps until patch notes
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why is everyone (except me) on poog so fucking stupid
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This means things like multishot don't work because fuck you right?/
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>>567499724
good, ranged needs more nerfs until it's as bad as melee
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>>567499778
Please anon.. No more.. I'm already so weak...
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not having FSR 3.1.5 or FSR 4.1 even is bad, but I don't think I've ever seen a game use storage speed as well as poo2, the game loads instantly in nvme gen 4 ssd, on sata it wasn't as fast, very few games do this
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>>567499274
Which parts, specifically, are bad about it and how does PoE 2 solve it?
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i have no idea how to craft so my reagents keep piling up
i normally use hcssf on the poe2 ninja as a guide for roughly how i should be doing but i don't know how almost all of them have +5 skill weapons with 2 damage mods
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>>567500097
It’s just boring. You play through all the maps and then run one of the short maps and that’s it. You know how people say that the real game only starts in the endgame? Well, Atlas in PoE 1 feels exactly the same. You have to play through the whole thing just to get to the real endgame, and in the end, that endgame itself turns out to be monotonous and boring.
Poe 2 fixes this by making people run maps more than once. Now, every map isn’t just a check mark that you completed once and then forgot about, but a journey
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>>567498257
oh may we see the patch notes?
shut the fuck up, then
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Whats the point of overreach?
Its 5% less AOE than magnified area 2, and with an accuracy penalty.
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>>567498337
is this a post from 2025?
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>>567500723
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>>567500605
It's a finite Atlas, meaning you have progression through the tiers as your build grows stronger. The new one is essentially just Delve forever, which can be fine as a league mechanic, but not as a dedicated endgame mode. As for the rest of your posts I am not sure if you have played the current iteration of PoE 1, but that's basically what the Atlas is.
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>>567500805
>Poe2 entered beta 10 years ago
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>>567500469
transaug til you get high tier IPD
desecrate added phys
perfect essence of battle
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>>567500605
You can run any map you like in PoE1, anon.
No one is forcing you to run Strand or Jungle Valley. You can even move div card drops from one map to another so even your bad layout has something good in it!
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>>567500469
>i normally use hcssf on the poe2 ninja as a guide for roughly how i should be doing but i don't know how almost all of them have +5 skill weapons with 2 damage mods

In my case (talisman)
>pick white base
>perfect aug + transmute them until you get %damage increase
>Add essecne of abrasion
>Use omen that forces next perfect essence to eat suffix
>Use perfect essence of abrasion
>exalt
>Use omen that forces perfect essence to eat suffix again
>Perfect essence of battle (+5 to all attack skills)
>Exalt slam and desecrate
>Pray

Crafting is super easy and straight forward in this game
>pick white base
>transmute it (t1,2,3 depending on how rich you are)
>shit mod = throw away
>good mod = keep
>Aug what you kept
>shit 2nd mod = throw away
>good 2nd mod = keep
>essence according to your needs
>Than you need to know which mod you want to desecrate
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>>567500881
>meaning you have progression through the tiers as your build grows stronger
except that fast players literally just go straight to t15s playing each map once. outside of ruthless there is very little gear progression required to get to top tier maps.
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>>567501031
Skill should always allow people to bypass regular progression steps. That's how you evolve _your_ character and not just your toon.
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Did you guys know Anita consulted on PoE 2?
It would explain why its so much better than poo1
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>>567501094
>skill
>using a meta build and hitting flame dash whenever its off cooldown
poe1 is mostly about knowledge checks not skill checks. nothing wrong with that but poe2 is at least trying to reward more complex playstyles.
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I really am glad that GGG used this opportunity with poe2 to improve the visual clarity of the game.
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>>567500469
>i don't know how almost all of them have +5 skill weapons with 2 damage mods
I'm not good at crafting either but you could recombine two bases to get 2 damage prefixes then add essence of battle for +skills?
or you could augment+trans for 1 damage prefix and decent suffix then essence then abyss bones to try and find a dmg prefix?

i think non sissy leaguers have these weapons bc they stash their older ones not sell so by the end of the league they almost all have decent ones even tho they'd ripped a couple times
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>>567501121
2010 was 16 and a half years ago
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>>567501121
You mean Diablo 4 right, the "grimdark game" with zero female nudity?
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>>567500956
I want to add to my post:
If you dont have second omen that forces perfect essence to consume suffix you can just exalt slam + desecrate until suffixes are full and that way Perfect essence of battle will guaranteed to eat suffix anyway
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>>567500469
play around with the currency and see what you can make we got a new league in 2 weeks
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>>567500881
>It's a finite Atlas, meaning you have progression through the tiers as your build grows stronger
Tiers are still part of Poe 2.
>>567500915
Nobody in the world does that, so you don’t need to pretend it’s a thing. Poe 1 has designed a system where you’re forced to run the same maps if you want to compete on equal terms. The difference between maps can be absolutely massive, yet the rewards are exactly the same. Not to mention that most mechanics simply don’t work well with most maps. Why bother running anything else when Strand practically guarantees that Ritual will spawn in the boss room?
Poe 2 levels the playing field, no one can just run the same map over and over again, so players are forced to actually play the game, something that seems to really annoy Poe 1 players. Not to mention that there’s a good reason to run different maps, as many of them have different rewards that can be build defining, rather than those shitty div cards most of which are just garbage.
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>>567500805
no im just new
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>>567500913
>>567500956
doesn't this mean crafting is really time consuming? i want to try hcssf for 0.5. i did a "soft" hcssf with plain hc this league but i ended up buying most of my gear on the market instead
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>>567498337
play shield wall
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>>567501683
Finding white bases and checking blue/yellow bases on your own is time consuming.
Crafting is not time consuming at all.
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>>567498337
Wolf druid is melee
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>>567500881
it's not fucking Delve, not even close, stop saying this bullshit
>oooh paths with nodes? must be delve hurrr
retarded
no darkness creeping in = not delve even slightly
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>>567501210
choosing a good build the most important skill
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>>567501683
It just means you need to pick up hundreds of white and blue bases to hopefully get a good IPD roll
It's a pretty bad crafting system, but if it works it works
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I have become one with the tub
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>>567501683
it starts out relatively easy but gets harder as your gear gets better and you need rarer tiers of mods to make an upgrade.

basically the first part of endgame is getting good enough gear to farm six-mod t15s, which is relatively straightforward, then after that the rate you can make upgrades slows down a lot.

its not really a problem because there is no point in the game where you've "won", you decide what your goal and stopping point for a league is. I'm not really much of an endgame player in poe1 either and I only killed arbiter for the first time on my second char in 0.4.
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>>567501210
Isn't that skill? To know what's good and develop your character? I have played PoE 1 since 2013 and gotten better over time. I'm at the point now where I can comfortably breeze through most content, but that doesn't mean that the baseline progression is flawed. If you're always hitting your head against a gradually taller wall, then you're not progressing - you're being abused.
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>>567501868
he means 30, and that's only when you're in t15s trying to get t1 or t2 IPD which means you've already killed the pinnacle bosses and are working on maybe your last points in each league's tree.

we only just got challenges this league, as an SSF player I was generally quitting after killing quest arbiter anyway which doesn't take very long or require too much tedious crafting.
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>>567501998
>Isn't that skill?
no
the only endgame poe1 skill check is some of the bosses but even then it's usually a "what do I do in the fight" and "how do I fix my gear" problem which is much easier solved via Google than anything involving mechanics. and don't get me started on the crafting bench.
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>>567501868
>and blue bases
don't pick those up lmao
white bases and greater/perfect trans then aug if the first roll is a suffix.
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Can Facebreakers be upped?
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noob here
how do you avoid one shots in this game
this league I was like 90+ lvl top something on the ladder 17k es
then a map boss one shot rip'd me
the reskin version of that act one graveyard boss

I don't think anything solves one shot problem better than es
so what do
I'm thinking of going max number of invulnerability pulse companions (don't steal)
one shots are infuriating and dumb
it's bad enough they have platformer style instant deaths like the river hag
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>>567502592
i'd let her break my face with her hips pressing down
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>>567502686
Dodge
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If I die in content that doesn't remove XP on death, will my Omen of Amelioration also not trigger?
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>>567502686
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>>567501593
>as many of them have different rewards that can be build defining
Such as?
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>>567501831
You seem very emotionally invested in this. Why don't you just enjoy PoE 2 and calm down? Is your happiness dependent on others agreeing with you?
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>>567502436
You should pick blue weapon bases, especially if you are SSF since they can have only suffix roll and you can perfect Aug them hoping to get %damage increased.

>>567500956
Also heres cute example of my SSF run, i couldnt roll %phys damage on Maji base so became desperate and started checking yellow bases (even not tiered). One of them was pic related but with shitty cold roll instead of "gain % physical damage" and 3 shitty suffixes. I realized that if "Perfect essence of abrasion" cleans that shit cold damage roll, i will have great weapon, so rolled and won. Since suffixes were complete dogshit i decided to use perfect essence of haste to get at least somewhat good mod before using perfect essence of battle
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>>567502686
it's a you problem
you shouldn't die at 14k+ es unless you're afk
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>>567502831
this is stupid
I might as well go full dps and just dodge the damage right?
I can't dodge 100% of stuff
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>>567503046
>pic related
Yikes there, buddy boy. Try again.
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>>567502991
i just hate bullshit, stop spewing bullshit and you won't get criticized for it, it's that simple
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>>567503046
Forgot my pic

>>567502686
are you resist capped?
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>>567503164
>I don't agree, therefore it's bullshit, therefore I get upset when people have different opinions than me.
You must be a hoot and a half at all the parties you're not invited to.
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GTA6 RELEASING BEFORE POE2 ADDS SWORDS
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>>567503241
retarded moron
at least bring a point or something you utter imbecile, here i'll help you
>>567501831
this here isn't an opinion, it's how delve actually works, idiotic retard
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>>567502950
Many lineage support gems only drop from specific bosses on the map. And there are already special bases that only drop from a special unique map.
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>>567503123
I agree and I think he was bugged but there's a chance he was stupidly juiced up
I don't remember the details was pretty early in the league
but I know I had 17k, I took even some armor es hybrid nodes
and it even said that my omen of full life and es has procced
now I need to solve one shots before I even begin to consider other parts of my build
this is frustrating
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>"build X is insane!"
>"could Y be broken???"
>look into build
>gear pieces in the 100's of divine range, including a mirror's worth of unique jewels
every
single
time
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>>567503539
>>567502686
Is this troll post?
Nobody can have 17k es and not understand what killed him in poe2
And if you are talking about poo1, what reskinned graveyard boss?
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>>567498536
I'm not a big fan of the simplification of all the damage archetypes, even for the unreleased ones yet like bonds or brands, that's fine, but the released ones we have everything is rather samey and everything is hit based except or chaos dot.
Poison? hit based
Bleed? Hit based
Ignite? Hit based
Cold DoT? Skills reworked into high crit hits
Lightning is unchanged but everything is basically a lightning skill now
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>>567502686
>>567503539
you can only survive oneshots if you have massive damage mitigation. ES usually has none, so you are eating more damage from certain attacks than an armour tank with just 4k HP.
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>>567500756
Many supports are like this. 10 billion supports and yet you can only use like 4
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>>567503735
Does cold dot even exist in the game? One of my favorite archetypes in poo1 yet it doesnt even exist in PoE 2 yet
That new trap trans skill was pretty fun in mirage aswell
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>>567503950
No, all the skills between cold snap and eye of winter all hot reworked into dealing hits. Snap itself got taken out back and turned into a horrible payoff skill
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>>567500756
you can combine overreach with magnified area
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>>567503649
dude I know what killed me
poo2 count lalala from graveyard in act 1
I must make them suffer nigger but map version t16
he slams his club and the ground goes boom
many instances of chip damage as I saw my es orb melt 'slowly' but over like half a second
and then it said your omen of resurgence or whatever heals you to full worked (in chat)
but I was still dead
and not only I had like 17k, I had 10% of damage is taken by companions
and ofc I was res capped
I was 90 something levels placed in hundreds something on the non sissy ladder
of course I know what thing killed me
but at the same time I kinda don't know where the damage came from
so I assume it was bugged

regardless I have to solve presumably bugged one shots too before I decide on the skills I want to try this league and this is frustrating
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>>567502686
what attack hit you? those big slams are supposed to be dodged.
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>>567504237
No you can't. That's what I was trying to do, found wasn't allowed, and sparked the question.
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>>567504297
no shit? I guess the only upside is no cost multiplier then
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https://poe2db.tw/us/Tecrods_Revenge#TecrodsRevengeSupportGemTecrodsRevenge
https://poe2db.tw/us/Umbilicus_Immortalis
That doesn't work right?
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>>567504253
Sounds like you stood on burning ground or something
Or you face tanked all his swing projectiles at same time(actual retard lmao)
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>>567503774
yeah maybe but warriors have no way of dealing with big chaos nukes
except some pretty late suffixes
I'd have to sweat fighting that monkey boss and I'm not sure if I can reach over to CI from warrior at that level in campaign
and then in maps some essence rares can one shot you with two giant chaos balls (not the small ones)
and no capped chaos res isn't enough
if they can one shot like 10k es they can do it to 5k life too
fucking piece of shit sissy core game
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Why is GGG like this
There's like 40 of these lineage skills.
Literally the only one that looks vaguely interesting to me is brutus brain. I can't use it but its at least interesting.
The rest of these feel like someone made a parody of Poe2 skill gems.
Except they're actually in the game.
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>>567504438
no stupid you probably think of dreven
no
conan
he goes i must make them pay i must make them suffer
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>>567504681
PoE 2 support gem system is vastly superior to poo1's support gem system
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>>567504269
I had 17k
this is not a dodgy mario style platformer game
you just can't dodge everything
that's why in mario you have 3 lives and can pick a 1up
this is an arpg
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>>567498337
only warrior/mace everything else has some other bullshit attached
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Should I buy it? There’s nothing to play these days.
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>>567504889
lol
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>>567498985
because they took it straight from last epoch for no reason, except they didn't even do that correctly since it doesn't scale via distance from start, you can't reset it, and it takes forever to get to anything important
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>>567504889
>noone is saying this
>>567505113
lmao even
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>>567505112
if you want to blow money on cosmetics ig
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>>567503413
You literally just proved my post to be 100% correct :)
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>67 more poops until patch notes
>224 more poops until league launch
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>>567505438
this is not normal
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>>567505438
IBSanon...
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GGG are shadow dropping 2 new classes alongside the patch notes, trust the plan.
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>>567503413
You don't even understand Delve. Stop, please. This comparison is embarrassing.
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>so many retards getting baited by MACE-ONLY LMAO facebreakers with 200 base damage and missing the fucking +14 gem levels from giants blood dual wielding plus +2 gem level from gloves
poe2 literally has no reason to exist. it was made so melee could be cool/fun/strong/interesting and has failed at all those goals, while melee in poe1 is top tier with tons of build variety and even if you demand a multi-button playstyle, retaliation skills like lacerate/eviscerate gladiator does a 10x better job of promoting a multi button playstyle on top of poe1 already having many buttons for mobility skills, blinks, curses, marks, and guard skills as standard.

Molten Blast goes from 265% to 753% damage with +14 gem levels. And an actual two-handed weapons can be 1k+ dps multiplied by that 753%, not 200. You're gonna build your entire characters around doing no damage
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>>567506002
Okay but are you having fun?
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I will never understand the need PoE 2 players have to shit on PoE 1. If you want to play the game, go ahead. How is people playing the original subtracting anything from your enjoyment to play the sequel? I don't get it.
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>>567506002
>You're gonna build your entire characters around doing no damage
Stop!! Quin will steal this idea.
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>>567506128
welcome to 4chan
enjoy your stay
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>>567504995
>this is not a dodgy mario style platformer game
>this is an arpg
it's a dodgy souls style rollslop arpg
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i wanna do a facebreaker build, is there a single mace skill that isn't garbage
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noob here
can you put two different tamed beasts into skills tab
one for each weapon set?
I know you cant equip two copies of the same exact skill
but tame beast should change name to quadrila and shit
so not the same gem anymore, right?
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>>567505465
Everybody poops anon
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>>567506128
They got mindraped by doomers and basically act like a more butthurt and petulant version of the people that they hate. It's pretty funny in a way. They aren't even creative enough to come up with any memes and had to copy calling the game Poo 1. That's how you know they were hurt badly by the game being called Poo 2.
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>>567505914
the equating of Delve to the Atlas is embarrassing and retarded
I wasn't making any comparison, retard
why is this thread so fucking utterly retarded
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>>567506367
Not 20+ times a day
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>>567506296
default autoattack mace strike and shield wall are the only ways to make maces passable. neither works with facebreaker, and if GGG nerfs Herald of Ice+Armour Explosion chaining then even they will feel like shit to play because they're turbo carried by clear anyone dealing phys damage has access to
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>>567506486
Gotta pump that metabolism up, fatty.
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>>567506486
It's normal for big boys
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>>567505438
Weren't we at like 500 poops just yesterday?
What is wrong with this man's guts
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>>567506414
Can't we all just get along?
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>>567506657
We were at 109 and 266 yesterday
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>>567506128
You make this post as if its not exactly the opposite in reality. Poo1ggers constantly shit on PoE 2
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>20 poops a day
>30 minutes per poop
jfc dude get help
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>>567506321
yes
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>>567506865
more efficient to just sit down once and shotgun 20 poops out at once
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>>567506839
>poo1
>poe 2
You copied this from us. I made posts like this 18 months about Poo 2 while always referring to PoE by its rightful name. This copycat behavior screams of being molested.
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why is hexblast so shit? this game is already about running through maps plowing through mobs. seems retarded to make it so you have to wait until half of your curse duration expires for you to do damage with it
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>>567507070
If you consume a power charge you can unleash up to 40 at once
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>>567507495
found my league starter
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why do you guys talk about poo so much
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>>567507772
lots of browns in the thread
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>>567506296
huge mace buffs inc
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>>567506296
I really wish boneshatter wasn't trannified
I would love to play a strike skill in PoE2
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>>567507772
its poo1 season so poo is a common topic
Once the whites come back to PoE 2 it'll be more normal
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We need not the froot, just the loops
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>>567508135
Wolf melee feels better than anything else
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I like contagion witch but the ttk on bosses blows major ass
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>consuming food to generate poop is perfectly fine and you were doing it for 20 years without bitching
>consuming power charge to generate more damage is somehow lame and gay
You people are hypocrites
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faggun wants you and your family to die so he can play bow
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2775333181?t=03h07m35s
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I only play F-tier builds so I can get the true Dark Souls lv 1 run experience where I die to a boss 20+ times before beating it and it takes 30 minutes to kill a boss
What is the F-tier build of 0.5?
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I really, really like the concept of Amanamu's Tithe + wolf pack. also, The Hammer of Faith making you carry 2 shrines with you. what warrior ascendancy is best for combining both?
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>>567508818
>I like contagion witch but the ttk on bosses blows major ass
Use totems Nigga
Use your chaos bolt nigga
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>Alk in charge of remembering how to play monk
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>>567508974
i do nigga and then I see my buddies playing and they end up killing bosses in the time it takes me to blink
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>>567508916
Slams chronomancer
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>>567509108
Well than you are doing something hell wrong, nigga. My t4 xesht still dies before casting anything.
Use offering and circle of power perhaps?
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>>567508974
>>567509108
use black flame keystone with ember fusillade or flameblast and spam chaos bolt if you run out of mana during bossing, you are scailing chaos damage after all why not use it for ignites
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>>567509214
i may have to look into it some more later, clearing maps is super fast and comfy but then bosses feel like they take way too long compartively
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>/poeg/ barely moving even tho its just before a poo2 launch
Its not looking good guys ( and trannies ). Do you think we will break 100k on launch day?
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Shield Wall titan or firebringer?
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>>567506045

No.
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>>567509667
all we can do is speculate and shitpost, there isn't even any good drama atm
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>>567509758
>firebringer
Sorry I'm retarded. I meant warbringer
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>>567509667
>100k
lmao
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>>567509994
shield wall isn't a slam so titan is just the very late game thing you switch to
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>>567503140
You are supposed to dodge some of it.
If you can't dodge highly telegraphed big attacks, then you just die
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>this is the melee expert I was telling you about
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this shit is unbelievably cringe for a 50 year old man
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>>567511319
whats wrong with playing monk?
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>>567511487
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>>567511319
why are there 1.3k niggas watching a nigga play his level 5 character
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>>567511191
Pausing is part of the game.
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is monk gonna be op again
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the last time monk was fun was 0.1 before they completely killed off cast on x
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>>567506414
so true. those poe2 players just won't leave poe1 alone!
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POOPOO
OF
DOODOO
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I think it's time to love PoE2 again, don't you think?
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>think I'm finally over my addiction to create new characters
>lvl 96, I'm doing it bros
>bring 4 additional builds to 90 a few weeks before 0.5
how do I break this cycle
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>>567513259
i express my love by watching at least 30 youtube videos and 20 shorts by the PoE II creators and leave comment and likes on each of them, especially TalkativeTri's, he's the GOAT!
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okay, hear me out
what if campaign had some drops that are so good that running it is an actual alternative to mapping
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so is tyty transitioning? he looks so plappable today
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i just want spin2win man
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>>567513529
campaign should be on the atlas, here, poe2 fixed now
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>>567513489
That guy gives me the ickiest ick of all icks.
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>>567513787
He's got a hot wife and 4 children
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>>567514013
and yet he's still trying to act like some cringe weeb influencer instead of an adult
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>>567513380
leveling and gearing a character is 99% of the fun of an arpg. once your character is complete and strong and you’re just zoning out through maps you’re playing chinese click farm simulator.
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>>567513606
think he just got fat bro
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GUYS

IM FFFFFFFUCKIGN QUINNING OUT TO 0.5
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>>567513529
jonathan is obsessed with the campaign but refuses to make leveling uniques viable in endgame, in diablo 2 you can legit use low level shit as build-around the entire game if you get them early.

The campaign gives zero currency and zero good items, with literally every single Rare being worthless because only the highest level base is worth using and you need ilvl 80/81 gear from irradiated t15s to even have a chance at rolling the best modifiers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcd9BfVw7hQ

6 years ago

we lost everything
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>>567514462
you gonna drink leaded water and eat raw bear liver to get to his form before 0.5?
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>>567514596
I printed quins face on my fucktoy
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>>567514513
this jonathan we have now is not the same person. shapeshifters are at it again.
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>>567514013
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Is martial artist going to have a build that competes with storm wave? Hollow palm storm wave was one of the easiest steamrolls I’ve ever done
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Why are most of the skills useless in this game? It's to the point where if you want to play with a specific weapon or spell, the "right" way to do it is to pick an earlier bread and butter with another weapon
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>>567516254
Name 12 useless skills
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I'm not falling for the new ascendancy bait, I'm playing maces!
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>>567514513
skinny Jonatroon is kind of fucking cursed wtf. Im kind of horrified
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JONATROON
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>get to lvl 93 as a warrior
>rip to a juiced essence monster
what the fuck so 3k life and 48k armor means shit int his game?
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>>567517045
>that's skinny for americans
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>>567516235
what if... the illusions could use storm wave! It's fucking genius
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Remember when PoE2 gave us good, original memes?
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>>567517278
Yes.
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whirlwind barbarian
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>>567517529
>iron maiden
>dies
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>>567504995
>you just can't dodge everything
and there it is
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>>567516254
I don't think GGG care that much about balancing in the early access part of PoE2 aside from knocking down egregiously strong combos as they turn up.
Much easier for them to try to keep everything down below a certain level so that when they add new things there's less things that can potentially ruin their vision, if 90% of skills are not used that just means they get to add some uniques that only work with one combo more easily. I expect most unexpected synergies like last lament lich will get "bugfixed" after lasting for exactly one patch
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>>567516914
i'm playing the same old build on the new ascendancy
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>>567516235
it's lightning, so no
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>>567513380
Maybe just ssf?
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poe 1 noob here, wtf is going on with kingsmarch, my shipments occasionally go missing not pirates or what. just log back in and they act like they never been out but my stocks are down
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>>567519132
Don't let the red bar fill up at all e.g. use more sailors/higher level ones
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>>567509108
There's nothing to do for it in the endgame once you have poison totems and a wither setup other than using curses to supplement damage. The reality is the price of being tanky and being free to dodge all day is you'll have to pay the long fight toll and can't compete. Just remember your curse setup, cursed ground, curse dot, and poison to scale up your damage slightly. It doesn't do much but 15% more which can spread with contagion is surprisingly good. Lot of numbers on bosses. Also remember seal, it's a free 40% more damage once you fluff it enough
>>567509293
>Ember Fusillade
You misunderstand the investment required to scale up ignite damage (chaos) and specifically get ember to be a usable skill, running decreased skill effect duration also runs contrary to contagion EDC
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>>567507490
Hexblast made the sin of being good back in PoE 1 and briefly good in the beta period before 0.1. Devs have hated how reliable hexblast could be so they killed it
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>>567506296
If you like CBT Hammer and Perfect Strike are kino, but if you aren't a masochist sadly you have basic attack
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>Spin 3 times
>Twisters clear 3 screens
Woah such a meaningful combat.
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>>567518215
Last Lament is intended though, it's not even that strong comparatively since it needs the schizo cap (real build enabler) to function
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>>567519913
it's not that good, people has just been jebaited by how good it's in campaign but later in interludes and early maps in drops off a cliff.
play it to early maps, you'll see.
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Where are the new players? I will tell you where they are: they are waiting to play the game for FREE.
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>>567498564
Can't have true melee without swords.
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>>567520361
Trvke
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>>567505438
This is bullshit, I'm knocking on 500lbs and at like a hog and I rarely shit more than once a day sometimes even skipping days. I don't know where the idea that fat people shit more came from but it's simply not true. Our shits are just bigger but not more frequent.
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>>567511065
am I supposed to dodge all of "big telegraphed attacks" or some of them
in games where I'm supposed to dodge all I have multiple tries (lives) to dodge all of them
in games where I'm supposed to dodge some, they can't one shot me if I have a lot of hit points (17k is a lot in this game)

the game is fucked sissy core game that expects you to die
yet it doesn't interact with death, there's no content behind death, no meta progression unlocked by dying, no additional plot, no content skip, no underworld layer, nothing
so it doesn't have any reason to expect you to die to bullshit one shots
yet they're there like they're supposed to be

dumb design
it's ok if it doesn't make sense
have to be a high iq individual to get it
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>>567521094
t. pooplet
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>>567521094
jesus christ nigger stop killing yourself, you'll be dead in 5 years
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>>567521236
He'll die happy
Gymcels are the msot unhappy people i know
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>>567509667
>Do you think we will break 100k on launch day?
Maybe at 1.0 if they can fool enough people to think it's a legitimate launch and not just another cope patch. The true starting line of the game is still years away.
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>>567521507
you don't have to jump from one extreme to another, there is no way he isn't in constant pain and discomfort at 500lbs
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what happened to tubposting?
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>>567521507
It's not about exercise, it's about not eating yourself to death.
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>>567521094
>average poo player
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>>567521675
Anon stopped since I think he got banned doing so, multiple times.
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>>567521675
it will ramp up again after jonathan tubs everyone's favorite skills in the patch notes
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>>567520081
I'd say it's still ok in maps, but ice-tipped buff management is a recipe for RSI, and proper lategame setup with whirling slash movement is hell of an acquired taste.
Blasting through campaign and then switching is the way imo
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>>567522035
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>combo with multiple moving parts is good
>UUUHHHHH NERF IT
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>>567522035
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>>567522304
>GGG will nerf every single remotely complex build into the ground and let the most braindead with the slap on the wrist at most
>people still gaslight themselves into believing it's somehow a game about slow and meaningful combo combat
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>Mageblood grants level 20 UP UR ASS skill
>When active repeatedly drains your flasks to restore your life and mana
>You cannot dodge roll and walk funny
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>>567521507
genuinely one of the most brainwashed goy retard takes I’ve seen on this site. please kill yourself.
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i hate fat people
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>>567522579
No matter what, PoE1&2 is still the most high IQ arpg in history. and that's because the leads are top comfy kino nerds.
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>>567522579
>Insist on adding more comboslop
>Nerf it to the ground anyway
What is the end goal here?
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>mad about patch notes before they even drop
based?
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>>567523001
we're cortisolmaxxing
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>>567522926
Same, you shouldn’t be allowed to play videogames if your body fat % is greater than like 25-26. You shouldn’t be allowed to breath oxygen if it’s greater than 35.
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>>567523001
When was the last time the patch notes was positively received?
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>>567523330
ALL
CLASSES
BUFFED
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>>567523330
two days from now
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>>567523330
if they nerf all bow skills and buff all melee skills I would be so happy
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>>567521187
EVERY defense option MUST have a (reasonably hard to reach) stat threshold where nothing in the game can one shot you
that way you can say - you're supposed to dodge some attacks, say at least 50% is good enough to not get two shot
if one shots exist - you're supposed dodge ALL
because if I dodge 99,9999999999...9% of attacks I sure as hell am dodging some of them
but that one I didn't dodge is a one shot
so you have to dodge every one as long as there exists a one shot among them

fucking sissy core game that expects you to die unless you dodge ALL

but that's not even the whole mess
you can't not die because of shit like river hag
you will lear what it does by dying or researching
still the first 'researcher' must die
the game expects you to die unless you dodge everything and research enemies beforehand but if you're the first to reach an unknown enemy or even an environmental hazard you still die

WHY?
no reason
retarded game
LOW IQ DEVS
OUTDATED LOW RES THINKING
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2 sleepies until patch notes
3 sleepies until 0.5
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>>567523504
sounding like a skill issue man stick to sc
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>>567523504
part of the appeal of poe is unlimited juicing of the enemies, you can always make them stronger so the balance can't work like this
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>>567523620
what do you mean 3 sleepies
its in 10 days
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>>567523504
>EVERY defense option MUST have a (reasonably hard to reach) stat threshold where nothing in the game can one shot you
Recovery can become instantaneous so this just means you can become immortal.
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man I'm so jealous of bowcucks.. they have it so fucking good. bow skills are so fucking good starting from lvl 1 to lvl 100.
I don't feel like bow skills are lacking anything, they're just so strong it's ridiculous.
I wish melee had something like this, sadge.
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>>567523841
he will only sleep once after patch notes, that's how exciting it'll be
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>>567523912
talismans are more broken than bows
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>>567524081
>Talismans are more broken than bows
Lol, lmao even
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Honestly I can't remember the last time I was this hyped about a new league.
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>>567524081
Talisman is not a real weapon so it's gay.
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>>567524239
>no new classes
>no new act
>no new weapons
>confirmed massive nerf patch, ES and CoC getting gutted
>new bloated atlas
What's there to be excited about?
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>>567524239
You are being dishonest, there is nothing to be hy0ped about.
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>>567523504
I remember it was hilarious when the first 1488 poster died to river hag drowning orbs
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>>567524239
likewise
poe 3.0 had similar hype for me
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>>567523330
I don't count the professional doomers. All of them was hype except the hyper nerf patch, Expedition
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>he is a jingakh
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1 GAME
2 CAMPAIGNS
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>>567524373
The real endgame has finally been revealed. No other arpg has ever attempted to create an endgame. Do you not recognize how important this is?
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>>567523001
spears are strong and multiple ecelebs, especially fuckfuck, is expressly being loud as can be to get them nerfed as a smokescreen for ice shot
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>>567524557
>No other arpg has ever attempted to create an endgame
HARD
A
R
D
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>>567524239
I can't remember the last time I felt anything other than emptiness
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what did she mean by this
is my girl about to get ROG'd
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>>567524373
6 gorillion runes goym be hype
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Is the new expansion this week?
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>>567524942
Rog is a good man devoted to his wife
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>>567524942
>reading dialogue
Not optimal.
You will never 3:45 the campaign.
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Is there a noticable difference in ritual loot from T16 to T16.5 maps?
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>>567524942
The way he says "Consider this kindness in future......friend" afterwards is really fucking menacing.
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>>567524373
>>567524415
I don’t give a shit about new classes because I haven’t even tried them all let alone all ascendancies and playstyles.
We’re finally getting a proper endgame. The new expedition looks like fun, the new unique items look interesting, and the new atlas passive tree looks intriguing. This league is a real treat for people who genuinely want to play the game.
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>>567524373
>no new weapons
Facebreaker?
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>>567524942
SLUT
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>>567525128
A sucker really is born every minute.
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>>567524239
Its just the delayed launch. We are all so used to the announcement and then 1 week later the launch that the added wait this time has built up hype
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>>567524373
>What's there to be excited about?

>literally the biggest content update in history
>>
ALL
CLASSES
NERFED
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>>567523912
I refuse to play bows cause I'm a contrarian
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Jizzaran will never beat GuyThatDies
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>>567523697
the entire reason chronomancer doesnt work in this game is because you cant juice content hard enough for a 20 second stun to matter. poe never had unlimited juicing.
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>>567524528
you're late

now open that pussy for me slut for the punishment
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>>567525128
it's a return to form
i'm having a blast
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>>567525128
Many people are saying this
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I will paywall my builds
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I will build my paywalls
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>>567525586
5 boss rituals may actually be a time for chrono to shine
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>>567525390
>tranime poster
>lying
Sigh, why is it always you people.
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>>567525921
No, it wont
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>30K tribute
>nothing worth buying
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What's the deal with Raging Spirits?
How the fuck do I know their damage
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>>567525921
They mentioned her several times in the Q&A so I wouldn’t be surprised if she turns out to be quite strong after the patch.
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>>567526798
>minion skills
>knowing their damage
lol
>>
THEYRE
ARE
UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FktsJG7ycJM
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>>567525965
they explicitly confirmed that it's the biggest update poop1 or poop2 have ever received thoughbeit?
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>>567527294
*ever
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>enter act 2
>buy white base from blind woman
>transmute aug regal triple slam
>no upgrades till act 3
very cool crafting ggg, I am experiencing peak crafting vision
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>>567527323
has ever**
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>>567521507
uhh
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>>567505112
If you really have the excess money and like the skins, go for it.
Just for the key? No. The previous tier is more than enough for everything and the cloak is cool.
I went for the throne room because Im retarded.
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>>567527294
no new acts
no new class
no new weapon type
recycled league mechanic

it's not even as big as 0.4 was
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>>567521094
You have shit in your bowels and are impacted you fat fuck. Hope you die of a perforation
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>>567527423
>Be moderately lucky (no + skill level)
>Complain about it
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>play Mirage
>practice for 0.5
Hmmm
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>>567524034
kek
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>>567527423
>no upgrades till act 3
That's about the intended type, since you only pick up new higher number bases when you get to a new act. Anyway
>wasting ex on this
Bad idea hombre
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>>567527423
>Get lucky
>Complain
Why is this a bad thing?
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>still posting in an AI bloated thread for dogshit bloated game
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>>567527707
>>567528023
I'm complaining about the way I crafted it, not because I got lucky getting those rolls, retards.
>>567527896
>>wasting ex on this
>Bad idea hombre
why
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>>567528182
At least for league start
>Ex can be used on better gear in the late game or to buy something for immediate power
>suffix's aren't reallyt hat important
>The bow is not THAT well-rolled
In the campaign 9/10 times you're better off saving your ex for hitting maps or for real god-tier gear. This late into a league or in standard/ssf it doesn't matter though, I just thought your exalts didn't exactly pay off since you're replacing that bow anyway
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>>567528182
You know you could have waited just a little bit longer and desecrated it.
The whole point of your post is complete garbage because it's not actually that great of a bow. +2 to skills and average stats will be a bit better, not to mention that base that gives you bonus arrow
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how are minions? like, just skellies?
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>>567528779
Varashta is really good
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>>567528489
well it's not league start now is it?
>>567528760
>desecrate that base
fuck off retard, stop replying to me inbred
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this is great bow in 0.5
no more levels
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tell me about the ghost shroud nerfs. I heard its straight up disabled.
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im bored of shitposting
what the FUCK do i do
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>>567529409
We still don’t have any patch notes. They literally said that the balance changes weren’t ready at the time of the announcement.
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>>567529409
Nobody knows, all they said was that it's too strong and it's getting hit.
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>>567529409
gugugaga
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>>567529618
they also won't be ready when they post the patch notes lmao
such is the way of things.
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>>567529527
your job
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>>567529527
play d4
mathil says its good
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>>567528779
ggg will make huntress companions good for at least this league just to test everything. more nodes on the tree were also confirmed.
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guys i chose huntress because i thought i was going to be melee with some shield moves why am i just chucking spears
does it get better? im at act 2 and just beat blablabla traitor
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>>567530091
she's meant to be a hybrid but there's no reason you couldn't make a more melee-focussed build u PUSSY
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>>567530091
melee doesn't exist in this game except on warrior
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>>567530091
no spears are a ranged weapon with some halfassed melee trash
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>>567530091
I think shield moves are found in the mace skill tree for some reason
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pathfinder sprint stun immunity, immunity against slows/chills, 80% ele mitigation on top of retarded evasion scaling, extra skill points. you are welcome
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>>567530409
yeah no way she isn't getting toned down this patch.
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>>567530280
any chances that new update is going to bring more melee classes?
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>>567530409
ts jolly cracka went home and thought he had the best shift ever
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>>567530280
>he doesn't furry stomp on people
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>>567530621
na. normies arent aware. pathfinder is a sleeper
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>>567530651
Hehehehehehehehe
No
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>>567530621
never. her strength is about carrying top-end gear without being slowed down while rocking a solid defense, but she has zero damage advantages and can't even scratch top defenses/tank ratings.
every top pathfinder build you find online deals damage because of extremely expensive jewel stacking.
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>>567530651
No.
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>>567530953
i played bear for a while, like 99% of the time you are spamming aoes, just because they are circles around you instead of some other shape doesn't make them melee
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Just leaked, wicked cool
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>>567531367
I believe this
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guys I uh crafted and the item did crafted and... item no upgrading til act 3
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>>567532503
smartest poster
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>>567530091
Rake+Stomping Ground melee spear builds were good for exactly ONE patch in 0.2 and were immediately taken out back and fucking slaughtered by GGG with the classic triple-tap nerf, they deleted Deepest Tower from the game because god forbid a Unique actually reward playing melee and fighting the hundreds of hasted swarming zerg rush enemies in kissing distance instead of from three screens away with spark or lightning arrow; then they also completely deleted Stomping Ground and removed its strength scaling entirely, and then they also nerfed attribute stacking so getting the high strength values needed to make it actually better than a 5c rare weapon was basically impossible.

They fucking despise melee in poo2 and don't ever believe otherwise. Shit like being knocked out of Sprint and tumbling onto your face for several seconds as you pathetically roll in the dirt is literal humiliation ritual tier if it wasn't obvious enough
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>>567530953
walking calamity + rampage gets old pretty fast
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>>567533458
rake stomping ground wasn't even particularly strong, it was fun though, fuck em
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>>567533794
it absolutely crushed the first couple acts
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some of you are alright.
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>>567533881
oh nooooooo not a way to kill campaign bosses fast that falls off hard as you get to maps and requires high investment to continue scaling to endgame!!!!1
>literally just the poe2 equivalent of explosive/poisonous concoction leveling or hollow palm shit
>or the entire Guardian ascendancy giving sentinel of radiance and a bunch of flat ele damage from relics the moment you finish lab
it really says something about poo2 development and priorities that they were harsher on stomping ground than spark cast on crit and lightning arrow.

anyways then they added wyvern a few patches later which deletes every single boss in the game up to red maps just holding down oil barrage so even their campaign balance priorities are fucked
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>>567534508
yeah i thought that was funny too
if oil barrage didn't get touched i'm just gonna start that again since it was so braindead for bosses
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>>567534508
Someone in the dev team was probably actually playing that build and didn't want to nerf it.
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>GGG initially: we don't want to have ascendancy respecs and we don't want ascendancies to be separated into early game and lategame ones
>added ascendancy respec a patch later
>certain ascendancies are CLEARLY perceived by players as either early or late game ones
This is how dreams die
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>>567535013
If they hadn't made Chronomancer and Chalupa completely unplayable dogshit with zero redeeming qualities they wouldn't have been forced to add ascendancy respec so fast; as is with an 8 hour campaign on league start for the average player getting baited into something dogshit like chalupa would just cause you to delete the character and uninstall
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>>567535013
it's either you spend no effort to implement respecs or you tell your designer to rebalance like half or more of the ascendancies in the game

easy choice when you are pressed for time
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>>567535171
People would've screeched for ascendancy respecc even if every ascendancy was fantastic.
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>>567535013
Wouldn't that just be an inherent design flaw that's only held up by cutting off the option to make changes?
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>>567535303
sure, but GGG would have had a leg to stand on with their vision (TM) if every ascendancy at least mediocre performance for most builds and there weren't straight up trap options bricking your character. If PoE1 had no ascendancy respec for a league people would bitch but you can honestly make most things work and with flesh+flame it's often academic
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>>567535013
Better to admit it's impossible and give in than to keep trying to wafflestomp the vision down.
The later is just izzat and brown coded.
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can we please stop talking about the game and instead talk about our queen dslily-chan?
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>>567535560
>and with flesh+flame
Anon, good pairs cost like 100 or so divines. I don't think that's a band aid at all.
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>>567535716
and plenty are cheap. Instead of being a greedy faggot playing slayer and buying champion fortification you can just play champion instead and flesh something cheaper
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Let them cook.
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>>567535560
They had a leg to stand on (choices mattering and forcing replayability, valid arguments), but they gave up on it. I was totally fine with no ascendancy swap personally, I don't mind playing multiple characters.
It is what it is. The playerbase clearly likes some level of character versatility and respecs, so it would've been stupid to be stubborn about it.
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>Oriana
>Makoru
>Alva
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>>567535013
The average person who plays video games in 2026 can't handle permanent choices, it scares them, it freaks them out. No matter what GGG or any smart player wants they are going to have to bend the knee to the lowest common denominator in the gaming consumer base.
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I find it kinda funny that GGG is nostalgia baiting with facebreaker while also making it mega shit at the same time
Not only do you give up your weapon and glove slots, you also have to do the campaign and kill every boss for it to scale and do any real damage

They just fucking hate melee and fun uniques
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>>567536465
>Dude just replay the whole campaign if you don't like your ascendancy
Not even D2 was this stringent with respecs.
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>>567536502
Except it is fun and unique, as well as being useful.
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>>567536465
picking your class is already a permanent choice that nobody has a problem with. ascendancies are terribly balanced and half the time GGG will brick builds 24 to 72 hours into the league, making you run another sekhema trial and kill zarokh to respec again is completely fair as a cost to change
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>>567536502
>>567536681
facebreaker is ONLY viable during campaign as it only scales with campaign bosses
after that?
useless
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>>567536723
>picking your class is already a permanent choice that nobody has a problem with
It's a slippery slope, I wouldn't be surprised if they allow you to change your class at some point in the future, and not because they want to allow it but because the community begs for it.
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>>567536502
Yeah, facebreaker should scale with how many uniques you've killed in the last 6000 seconds.
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>>567536656
>>567536723
Respeccing isn't particularly hard but yeah the ascendancy balance will inevitably lead to some people being unable to play the game without a full restart. Usually though the builds this happen to don't even need to full on respec, they just swap out of whatever interaction got crippled. I only remember this happening to cast on freeze/ignite and whirling slash
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>>567536867
>useless
are you sure about that, hon? ;)
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>>567537032
>muh str stack
yeah nah lmao
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>equip facebreaker
>pick ritualist
>put on flat+str rings
>?????
>profit
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>>567536867
>It's useful
>It has a fun effect that lets you scale it's damage as you play

So it's a good unique.
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>>567536985
>but because the community begs for it
tbf I don't think I've ever seen this one, and I've seen a lot of begging
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>>567535716
This is true but the more important point is that even the worst ascendancy in 1 has redeemable qualities that allow it to perform adequately. Chayula pre-rework was beyond terrible and Chronomancer is straight up boring
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>>567537118
no? just because you can use it in campaign doesnt make an items good
thats 20% of the game where you can use it
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>>567537080
neggros arent aware about the strength buffs/changes. I guess not everyone has access to the alpha realm. you will see anon.
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>>567536502
New facebreaker will start a new era for unique items in Poe. Everything we've seen so far is just a warm-up
>Several alternative options because this is Ezomyte item
>You can place it inside a rune and insert it into another item
>Unique interaction with fists of stone
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>>567537189
Oh I see now, your command of the english language tells me all I need to know about your dogshit opinion.
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>>567531367
This is too good to believe, imagine the nonsense you can get up to with all the unique charms. Clearly this'll be
>your non-unique charms are active
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>>567537270
It's going to turn out that they lied and fists of stone won't even affect uniques, calling it now.
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>>567537368
kys brownie
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I just have an irrational dislike of people with overly long thin heads
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>>567537660
Very brown post
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>>567537086
the problem is mace skills are balanced around giant's blood dual wielding 2handed maces with +7 gem level. You're missing out on that, plus the actual 1k dps weapon, plus extra gem level and added flat from your glove slot.

even if you stack enoug strength to get 300% more damage, you're merely matching the equivalent of lost gem levels, and will still be doing 1/5th the damage of an actual 2h mace because your base damage is 180-200 damage instead of 800-1000
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>>567537548
I'm sorry, which of us just laid this quote on the thread: "doesnt make an items good"? I can assure you it was not me.

Even if an item is """""only""""" good for a campaign runthrough that still means it's a well designed item that has a use. Not every item needs to be endgame level 100 uber killing viable, it's OK and GOOD for items to have varying uses and applications at all levels and progress points throughout the game. If Facebreakers are a solid campaign run item at the very least then it's a good item, people will probably complain that they can't take it all the way to mega endgame because the effect on it is cool but it's a start, it's useful.

Stop fucking whining.
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>>567537910
'uke I'm afraid. It's way to restrictive to be feasible unless they add a GGG approved unique to help it out.
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>>567537910
>+7 gem level
>he doesn't know
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>>567537910
No skill is balanced around having max + levels on the weap retard
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Any nude mods yet?
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>>567537959
>he actually writes half a book
oh you MAD mad aight
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You can tell someone is jobless based on their take on ascendancy respec
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>>567538236
I am aware I just dont care. gem levels will be back I dont fucking care what jonatroon has to say about it. I will find a way
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You will be able to level up uniques right? So maybe a high level facebreaker will have better stats
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balancing the game around the campaign should've told you retards everything you need to know and expect from nu-ggg
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>>567538348
What is the correct opinion to have on this topic
t. works hard
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>>567537910
>the problem is mace skills are balanced
nothing in this game is fucking balanced, and it feels to me like it's no problem to get damage on anything.
you can play with 1/5 the damage of a mace char just fine, assuming you don't manage to find stacking synergies to overcome it (which might very well exist, like with iron will/grip).
I think it'll be perfectly playable and possibly very good. HPT might also be very interesting and worth sacrificing damage for.
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>>567537959
Release day Facebreakers could do ALL the available content at the time. ALL of it. GGG even put out a build showcase featuring them because of how cool it was. Then they nerfed them because they were too good and too fun. What we're getting in PoE2 is a circumcised and castrated version that doesn't live up to the original because, once again, GGG hates melee and hates it when you have fun
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>>567538486
>nu-ggg
tencent. you are correct
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>>567538348
I'm the guy who said he didn't even mind it and I'm a gigawagie who works weekends, so if you were implying only NEETs like to relevel to play another ascendancy, that's wrong.
I'm not against the ascendancy change being added though, encouraging experimenting is a good thing.
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>>567524942
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>>567538581
see
>>567537959
>Stop fucking whining.
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>>567538486
campaign is the fun part
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>>567538770
lol
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>>567538236
What exactly he doesnt know?
+7 melee skills is legit stat on two handed maces
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>>567538236
jonathan and mark admitted they didn't have time to change skill balance AND that Rarity still impacts currency drops; there is zero reason to be excited for this dogshit league as long as those two turbo cancer fundamental pillars remain unchanged.

Mirage was so fucking fun compared to 0.4 it's insane
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>>567538816
Please quit sucking my dick, oh that's right, you can't because you can only suck dick
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>>567538956
>Mirage was so fucking fun compared to 0.4 it's insane
>hahah bro, what if, what if, hear me out, what if you run same map TWICE!? Wouldnt that be cool.
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>>567538348
If you added yellow paint to a video game 25 years ago people would have laughed that company out of the industry, no one wanted it and no one needed it. Today? You can see people in these very threads have conniption fits over not being able to find the exit to a zone shaped like a square. People today need QoL features to exist, they have no backbone, no determination.
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>>567538250
minions totally are, if you try playing them without a +4 scepter and +2 helmet they do negative dps. Spells are as well.
Attacks get less value than spells/minions, where it's literally +15% per level (and each further level is +15% of that, so +7 levels is 100*1.15^7) but they still benefit a huge amount from it and Maces especially are made with it in mind. You don't need such massive bonuses for talisman skills because its impossible to dual wield them and so GGG didn't pre-emptively cuck them, just slamming a perfect essence of battle is good enough to delete arbiter in 2 seconds with oil barrage
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>>567538954
+skill stat is getting smashed
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>>567539257
Oh, i wasnt aware, did they say this in Q&A or something? Did they talk about defense options? Buffing strdex, strint and str defense options perhaps?
I really hate light blue life (mana is fine thou)
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>>567539257
its not. you dont know the values. you cant call it "smashed" going from +7 to +5 and yes I have seen the actual values, they have been leaked.
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>>567539101
this but unironically
>no more bulk buying maps from chink bots, atlas separated from waystones like poe2 but infinitely better since you still choose which maps to run and have the satisfaction of completing the atlas, new quadrant system for voidstones also works great
>mirage lets you do tons of strats depending on how you specced your atlas tree, can play your favorite maps and favorite mechanic and get "yo dog we put a map in your map so you can blast while blasting" fun
>new uniques are actually interesting and build defining
mirage was an incredibly fun league
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>>567539257
Still better than whatever mod you can slap on an item btw.
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>>567539257
>+skill stat is getting smashed
no it isn't. GGG "ran out of time" (despite this league being delayed multiple times, with "we ran out of time to fix endgame" being the excuse used for 0.4)

At absolute most they'll have nerfed top end rolls by like 10 to 20%, so you'll have +3 scepters instead of +4 and +5 or +6 staffs instead of +7. Shit like Mjolnir will likely still be +4.
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Why the fuck 2 tankiest ascendancies in game beling to Witch and Sorceress?
Disciple of Varashta and Lich tank anything better than any 5k hp 100k armor warrior can.
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Lets. Cook. Them.
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>>567539957
>5446x2795
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>>567540078
Phone poster get out, this is a thread for real gamers.
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>>567540114
i aint clicking on your SHIT
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>>567540078
who gives a fuck about that, the resizing is all fucked, looks like it was done in paint
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>>567540179
It's not my post, but it sure looks great on my 4K monitor.
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>>567540047
based
fuck meleefags
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>>567540289
you look great on my 4k monitor
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>>567540047
because GGG refuse to admit that Armor, Evasion, and Energy shield is a completely arbitrary grouping and they're not remotely the same thing despite all having the label of """defenses""""; the actual fair comparison is Evasion is avoidance alongside Block, Armor is conditional damage reduction like Deflection and Resistances, and Energy Shield is raw hit pool alongside Life and Ward.

As long as only one of the three works on ground effects and non-hit damage, which are among the most common things that kill you in this game, they can never be equal because having 1,000,000 armor does nothing to a triple-modifier hasted Shroudwalker abyss rare jumping on top of you. If the damage of ground effects is tuned to kill an ES character in 5 seconds, it will kill somebody with a trillion armor or evasion in 1 second flat. There's no way to fix this besides giving access to raw hit pool (aka life on the tree) or by making armour/evasion work on everything
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>>567539957
where is the paywall?
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>fake positive vibes
>0 knowledge
>rat looking trash is getting flown by ggg to exilecon
I cant believe i lost
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>>567540374
Thanks, buddy!
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>>567539957
aint reading all that
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>>567539957
I read it all
Cool shit
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>>567539957
Didn't read it
Boring shit
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Need advices bros, i have tons of questions.
I am planning to leaguestart new huntress ascendancy because lets be real, taming bosses looks hella fun (i wonder if we will be able to tame final boss of campaign since he always refereed to as "corrupted BEAST")
There are few problems thou
1) I never played minion build in po2
2) I never played dex starting class
How do i scale my minion damage, what affixes are must on what gear.
How do i scale my defences? Do i go pure EV on every piece of gear? Do i go EV+ES and lets say pick pure EV body armour due to 100% more evasion from body armour, Full int Helmet due to Subfurge node (or whatever its called, the one that gives EV per point of ES on helmet) How much do i invest in deflect if at all?
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>>567540454
>There's no way to fix this
but it's been confirmed zaccie will fix it
try explaining that one
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>>567540454
truthnuke
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>>567539957
Based ritualist bro
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>>567540457

the tl;dr version is paywalled
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because I refuse to be an EScuck and despise ground effects I'm going to use the new permanent life flask chest and take all the flask effect nodes and stack strength+life so only outright one shots can kill me, of which there aren't many
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What's the PoE2 equivalent of 1M+ EHP block chad gladiator? I don't like dying.
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the "boss faces broken" thing is odd. sort of a can of worms problem if they ever take it to other uniques or skills.
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>>567541880
if only you knew how many effects in the game reduce or straight up remove your life regeneration

>>567541967
Probably lich with 15k es, 30% straight up DR and Temporal Chains on Blasphemy
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>>567541880
Lowkey the chest will feel gigacomfy i cant believe theres anons in here downplaying it
You dont even have to massively build for it. Getting like 1k regen is quite easy and it will make mapping feel so much comfier
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>>567542092
Cheers, I'll check it out.
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>>567541967
ghost shroud stalking panther amazon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGUHt11qpfA&t=1389s
tl;dr stalking panther only reduces evasion, not all defenses, there's a bunch of +80% energy shield from chest nodes so you get 4k energy shield and recover it to full every time you get hit.
even with ghost shroud nerfed this still works
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>>567542149
it's basically Master Surgeon that doesn't require an autohotkey script, between it and laviangas you can have life and mana permanently active at all time and there's even a bunch of good nodes that provide benefits while under flask like attack speed
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>>567536103
I pick the 3 grandmas from acts 2-4, everyone fears the hag
also, alva would never cut my dick off. she would draw a funny face on it and then make a funny voice for it until the hags shoo her away to save me. then they would chop it off and make dick soup.
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>>567536103
alva and asala and I simply keep my dick inside them 24/7 so YOU MANIPULATIVE WHORE and the girlboss have to leave in shame
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>>567542149
>1k regen will be quite easy
takes 250% flask effect or 160% with a great chest roll to hit 1k bro, it'll be tough.
>>567542538
It does seem good to build around. The shit defences too can be mitigated with the Amazon defence notable, so it'll be pretty decent.
>>567542404
Might even be able to run Zealot's Oath and get a constant 1k overheal per second
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>>567541967
There's no infinite health block-chain since foci can't block and block is inconsistent, but you can get pretty good mileage out of Lich's nonsense or Block Shaman
>>567540047
Unlike Warrior, Witch and Sorc didn't have to give up a bajillion things for 5k healht
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>>567540454
Actual fact bomb
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>>567543110
>takes 250% flask effect or 160% with a great chest roll to hit 1k bro, it'll be tough.
you forget flask recovery RATE is effectively a More modifier with % flask recovery.
There's a 40% recovery rate notable in mercs starting area
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>>567543462
Still not exactly easy to get up that high and certainly not for easy investment. It seems like an actually pretty fun idea but my main problem with is recovery is not a great defensive layer by itself when big damage exists everywhere
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>>567541998
>sort of a can of worms problem if they ever take it to other uniques or skills.
their design in poo2 is to just create one mechanic for every single thing in the game
there is no reusing mechanics or having them integrate with other mechanics
you just make a very specific niche thing for one niche object in the game and then you move on and forget about it
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>>567543684
thats why you combine it with block which is easy to path to if you're already getting flask effect and then Ward or strength stacking for raw max hit. Will it be better than 15k energy shield? probably not but not much is, will it be an alternative and comfy as fuck yeah I expect so
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why did ggg put yellow paint in the game for objectives?
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>>567543897
>ward
I admire your faith in 2's ward, but I'll admit I'm not expecting it to be anywhere reasonable as an alternate defensive archetype
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>>567540454
Based
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fubgun is absolutely humiliating himself trying to play warrior, bowcucks in shambles
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>>567540454
it's true that they do different things but I think it's neat if there are three different major defensive types that actually work. the problem is over a year and a half they've done fuck all to make all of them all functional, like flat out it hasn't been a priority for them despite building defenses being half of the game. in a game with some confusing choices their not giving a shit has been the most confusing to me.
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>>567544341
If you watch the ziggy interview Mark basically admits they super fucked up on defenses and people aren't getting nearly as much besides ES (because only ES works on non-hit damage you retard) so they're boosting the base stats of most armour and evasion pieces in the game and adding in Ward as a compromise to avoid life on the tree. poe2 ward is literally just extra life, it doesn't break on any damage instance like poe1, even if you can only get +500 to +1000 ward on a character that's still MASSIVELY increasing your survivability for every single non-energy shield character.

Ward is literally them being petty bitches saying "No! We won't add life to the tree! Instead we'll add a separate Life roll to every single armor base in the game that disproportinately benefits evasion and armor characters! But it's not Life!"
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Why is everyone planning shit already when we still don't have patch notes?
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>>567544628
>when we still don't have patch notes?
we dont? ;)
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>>567544590
adding life to the tree would still be bad for all the reasons they didn't want to add it. Ward is a clever itemization solution, they're partly doing an experiment to see how much people use it.
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>>567544628
a lot of people don't care that much about playing the Best Perfect Most OP build.
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>>567544879
adding Ward to every fucking base in the game and making "% increased defenses" nodes increase Ward is literally just adding "% increased life" but with extra steps. "new players won't take life" is not an argument when noobs won't even realize how to scale ward to increase their EHP while at least a ten year old can understand "more life=more life"
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>>567544628
they are retards
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>>567544628
they are based
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>>567544628
they think, therefore they are
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>>567500805
2025? blud we haven't gotten any melee weapons since the game came out
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>>567545035
flat isn't similar to % life at all.
especially not when the mechanic is to trade the defense stat on the item for flat hp.
% life on the tree is mandatory while this is both item-based and inherently a trade-off.

plus don't "new players" me you don't give a fuck about accessibility or you wouldn't be defending poe1 over poe2.
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>>567544628
because it's free money
>get paid for milking pre league theorycrafting clicks
>patch notes change everything, get to milk the pre league theorycrafting clicks AGAIN
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>voices + adorned = op
>extra skill points = more jewel slots
>pathfinder = more skill points
>more skill points = more jewel slots
do you catch my drift?
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>>567545548
except spears obviously.
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>>567545763
No, explain.
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>>567545763
>>voices + adorned
stunning and brave
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>>567545654
there's flat life on the tree in poe1 as well. Ward is going to scale from flat and % exactly the same way. It's a dumb and convoluted approach to admitting they fucked up and need a way to increase max hit for everyone who's not energy shield.
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>>567545763
>Yo check out my idea, if you get a bunch of mirrors worth of items you'd be really strong!
every /poeg/ build
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>>567543897
>>567544341
Theres a guy who cooked mind over matter version, skips defenses completely and just gets life, mana and rarity on prefixes
3k life 3k mana with 50% MoM and ~2k regen. Looks really solid to me. Plus he gets 20% DR with abyss timeless jewel, the keystone thats like progenesis
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GRIM YAWN EXPANSION INCOOMING
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>>567544628
What lack of content does to a mf
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>>567545950
I sleep
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>>567545948
Oh he’s playing amazon with the azmeri brew which makes your flasks apply to both mana and life so his regen is equally high for both
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>poo2
lol
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>>567544628
there will be adjustments but nothing insanely massive probably, outside of actual bugfixes like the oil grenade shit not being fixed for this long because they're too scared to fix stuff mid league in an early access game
the only thing I wouldn't bank on is CoC comet being as accessible/strong, either due to oracle getting nerfed or comet being nerfed, etc
everything else that is strong currently is probably not going to get tapped very hard
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>>567545763
>voices + adorned = op
Doesnt work btw, adorned clearly states only your Jewel slots on your passive tree are affected, voices dont add slots to your tree.
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>>567545950
Nyes
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IT’S UP

https://youtu.be/nuudleAqp1A
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Giant's blood needs to be removed from the game
It SOUNDS cool but in reality it just warps melee balancing in such a retarded way that it's just not worth having it around.
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>>567521094
Forgot to add, i play HCSSF only
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>>567546271
>jungle ryan
>lolfags
I'm gud
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>>567546143
you lack critical information. you will see once they release the official patch notes. I am not here to argue because I know I am correct since I already tested it on the alpha realm.
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>>567545950
Fucking finally, would much rather have this than poo2.
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>>567546271
holy fuck phreak went full BFR mode lmao
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>>567545840
>Ward is going to scale from flat and % exactly the same way
explain this sentence in more detail. scale from % how? % life?

>they fucked up and need a way to increase max hit for everyone who's not energy shield.

just in case you're not going to keep mindlessly arguing no matter what I say...

the problem is more complex. ES is bad if damage instances are frequent enough that it doesn't give them time to recharge. players who complain about balance mono-focus on endgame because that's all they care about, but GGG have to balance the defenses for every stage of play and it would be very easy to accidentally make a boss or level that ES players couldn't get past if they focussed on flat ES early and didn't get enough recharge time / recharge delay reduction.

remember, Mark and Jonathan specifically confirmed that armour was the best defence type a few patches ago. they had no reason to lie. it just means that the geared endgame meta isn't the only factor.

they've been using the whole EA period to experiment, hence the multiple changes to the EV formula, what EV and block protect against and adding Deflect etc. adding Ward is just the latest step where they see how making flat HP available for everyone affects the overall balance.
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>>567546569
>scale from % how
ward is a Defense and scales with everything that provides % increased global defenses, just like poe1. This is why it's literally just life on the tree with extra steps. It's retarded and Jonathan doubling down on different for the sake of different. Not gonna bother responding to the rest of your reddit spaced wall of text since you apparently don't even understand how Ward works.
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what the fuck should i play for those two weeks
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>>567546894
dslily * gooning
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>>567546143
voices will slot into your ascendancy, no fucking shot they make it work with perfect synergy with an already op chase jewel
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>>567506002
>Molten Blast goes from 265% to 753% damage with +14 gem levels. And an actual two-handed weapons can be 1k+ dps multiplied by that 753%, not 200.
Which hard-requires 489 Strength unless you sink a mod into reducing, at which point Facebreakers is giving you 489 more HP and armor and 97% More Unarmed Damage (which cross-applies to Hollow Palm Quarterstaff attacks), so the 285% becomes 561%, and your gap-closing is significantly improved by +3 Melee Strike Range (which ALSO cross-applies).

Most important is the relative investment of getting TWO +7 skills 1k+ dps two-handers versus a single Act 1-available Unique that scales off campaign clearance and stats. Of course Facebreakers isn't BLUNTLY matching that, that's not its purpose. Their long-tail is in the Verisium and Fists of Stone upgrades and what can be done with gloves converted to runes, all of which we don't know.

>>567506296
AIUI their issue is clear-speed rather than raw DPS, you can't put out nearly-screen-covering AoEs quite fast enough while moving fast enough to compete with the ranged and "melee"-but-actually-just-assload-of-projectiles builds.

>>567513529
You'd need Gem level and base upgrades for the Uniques to matter, or a difficulty mode shifting it to "endgame" difficulty so that the drops are in that all-important ilvl 80+ range to get top-tier affixes in the first place.

>>567537910
No, things are not balanced around maximum-investment long-tail dynamics, because MAYBE a three-digit number of people touch that shit. Actually look at that DPS total and look at how it stacks up to the health pools of pinnacles.

>>567546273
Really, it needs tuned to Less Damage.

>>567546760
The extra steps give extra balancing levers so it's easier to avoid becoming an all-consuming sinkhole.
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>>567546894
powerwash simulator 1
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>>567546894
i'd say subnautica 2 if only it came out complete. but alas.
HOWEVER if you havent played the first subnautica then you are in luck.
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>>567546569
>ES is bad if damage instances are frequent enough that it doesn't give them time to recharge.
You and I both know this has never been an actual downside to energy shield. Relying on natural recharge rate to recover is never, ever, ever the Plan A for any ES build. Even without Ghost Dance, ES Leech, Zealot's Oath, Vaal Discipline/Convalescence/Meditate etc. you can throw on a fucking 1c unique and have instant recharge at will until you get a mageblood or headhunter at which point it no longer matters because you're unkillable and destroying several screens at once.

As long as CI exists in the game recharge will never be a real mechanic because if energy shield actually hit 0 regularly they'd all die, and Jonathan has chosen to pander to CI fags even harder in 2 by giving them free bleed immunity on top of chaos and poison
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>>567547002
Based mass replier wagecuck
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>>567546894
Jump King Quest
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>>567546760
if the mechanic ends up being balanced who fucking cares.
>doubling down on different for the sake of different
it was explained repeatedly why life on the tree makes the game harder to balance. no one stacks % global defenses in the campaign, this is exactly what I meant about players who complain about balance mostly talking about endgame.

you haven't even addressed that increasing Ward on your gear has to come at the expense of another defense (Ward goes up AR goes down), and how that means it is has nothing in common with life on the tree.
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>>567546569
and what has a year and a half of experimenting gotten us? a retarded armour implementation that only warrior can ever touch? a deflect that benefits ES builds the most?
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>>567547207
>remember, Mark and Jonathan specifically confirmed that armour was the best defence type a few patches ago. they had no reason to lie.

address this. explain to me why Armour is so good.
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>>567547535
It's not, it's shit.
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>>567547457
they were always planning to nerf ES. they can't just do it by dumpstering it.

ES was too good in Poe1 too, as was the ESEV combo. life on the tree didn't work.
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>>567547340
>Take 10% increased life node
>using a life+armor+armor prefix gives less armor than triple armor (same for evasion and energy shield)
>use a Ward base and scale % increased ward
>using a ward+armor based gives less armor than full armor (same for evasion and energy shield)
anon it's literally the same shit with extra steps. You're taking a tradeoff for less armor/evasion in exchange for more raw max hit which acts as a multiplier to your defensive layers. Less armor+more ward is the exact tradeoff that using a life+evasion gear piece vs triple evasion is.
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>>567546894
Elin
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>>567547653
not according to actual player survivability, apparently.
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>>567547535
who the fuck said that? armor is the worst defense to stack because it can't easily get 1k to 2k ES just by dipping into the monk area and even 1,000,000,000 armor does NOTHING against ground effects and damage-over-time that's calced pre-mitigation. If you play an armor character you need to also solve total ailment immunity and then mash dodge roll every time a shroudwalker rare shows up.

being tanky against white mobs is meaningless when white mob autoattacks aren't what kill you. And there's also a lot of projectile attacks coded to function as damage over time so they go straight through armor
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>>567547535
not that guy, but 2 things:
1) GGG was saying it's the best defence based on campaign data. This is true. Having decent armour in the campaign provides enormous amounts of life saved, because it's pretty efficient against the small hits of many monsters. Those small hits chunk non-armour characters who are much less tanky that early on, because gear scaling hasn't kicked in yet.
2) armour is genuinely good, regardless of what GGG says, because it provides DR against elemental damage and goes a long way toward helping combat rough mods like -max res or penetration (because resists apply after), or help nearly completely mitigate "X% of damage added as extra element" due to those hits being much smaller than the base hit and thus easier to mitigate.
you already have vids of pretty invulnerable armour chars tanking Arbiter corridors. now, you can say this is unimpressive because other defensive layers can also do it, but it shows you that the underlying math and values you can get add up to sufficient amount of damage mitigation to make it worth investing into.
Any balance problems armour has are mostly the result of ES/life balance being a bit broken (buffer is king) and armour being inconvenient to combine with ES.
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>>567547874
Actual players are shit, POB is the real game.
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What if Armor and Evasion also gave you health
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>>567541259
Uhm, anyone?
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>>567547535
low investment high survivability. armour builds can run off solely on exalted fumes and run fully juiced up maps no problem.
the people who claim that CI is so strong are all talking about mirror value builds, aka builds that 99,999% of players never reach. CI is absolute dogshit without high investment and a noob trap.
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>>567546894
play with yourself
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>>567548290
>no bulge
You suck, anon!
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>>567547874
Jonathan and Mark both said that energy shield was overperforming and was overpowered and they've nerfed ghost dance multiple times while trying to buff armor. I would bet my left nut they mean "people playing warrior die less" which has nothing to do with armor and everything to do with Block and Strength being good sources of survivability in the campaign when you have random blues dropped off the miller. Zero percent chance they were talking about endgame.

They also said that armor/ES was by far the worst defense pairing with the most deaths in the same interview (because Divine Shield sucks cock in poe2 and you can't Ghost Dance, and the armor formula is totally fucked so if you don't have 30k+ it feels like absolute dogshit and does nothing for your survivability)
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>>567547741
there aren't any ward bases, you take any armour item and turn some of the base defense stat into ward.
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>>567547535
old .2 data, smith of kitava wasn't dying in campaign because smith was/is overpowered in campaign due to early resists (the only time i ever finished campaign without dying was .2 smith of kitava leaguestarter).

in the recent interview they said no such thing and the discussion was more geared towards endgame
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>>567548504
That's what I mean by a ward base. You're converting it into a ward+armor/ev/es item instead of pure normal defenses. They said they went through every single item base in the game by hand manually adding ward values
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>>567548290
she could make a lot of money on onlyfans
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>>567548413
>the armor formula is totally fucked

irrespective of the particulars, they're not going to change it, they're going to nerf ES until they're equivalent according to server data. seething about it on forums to me seems like a waste of time to me especially given that its also the poe1 formula.
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>>567548213
>mirror builds
this isn't poe1 it costs <10 divs to hit 10k ES
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>>567545948
It's still a pretty crazy type of investment though, where is he getting damage from?
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>>567548613
let's say it IS equivalent to life on the tree. would you still want life on the tree?
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>>567546894
genshin update tomorrow sis
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>>567548705
it's not the poe1 formula, armour in poe2 has a weaker formula. and hybrid bases in poe1 have 63% of each stat instead of the 50% of each stat they have in poe2.
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>>567547207
>As long as CI exists in the game recharge will never be a real mechanic because if energy shield actually hit 0 regularly they'd all die
100% Mind Over Matter and now Ward "fix" that to give some design space wiggle-room where CI builds can in fact go "a bit" over without dying just like ES builds with low life from mere apathy.

>>567547535
A LOT of deaths especially in campaign come from running forward too much and getting surrounded by trash you can't clear quite quick enough, or managing flasks poorly against "chip" damage. Armor works disproportionately well against exactly this, but as it's mostly "skill issue" and gets outscaled massively by ES and/or Evasion dynamics and general clearspeed it gets glossed over in endgame-focused balance discussions.

>>567547741
But because it's distributed in items, its balance levers are separated between defense types and off the tree, so centralizing outliers can be tackled individually instead of being all tangled up devouring a chunk of investment from basically everyone like +% life on the tree is.

>>567548413
>which has nothing to do with armor and everything to do with Block and Strength being good sources of survivability in the campaign
If you're going to cite Ghost Dance for Energy Shield, Strength and Block being highly overlapping investments count for Armor.
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>>567548739
yeah, and 10k ES is nothing in poe2. armour builds for the same price take half ele damage and a fraction of phys damage with 5k life
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>>567548705
>given that its also the poe1 formula.
it's not the poe1 formula, it's exponentially worse than the poe1 one.
the poe1 formula is armor/armor+damage*5
the poe2 formula on launch was armor/armor+damage*12
after the humiliation ritual that was launch warrior and cloak of flame being objectively more defense than 30k armor they buffed it to armor/armor+damage*10 which still makes it terrible.

why do faggots who don't even play the game try to talk shit
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>>567548938
>Ghost Dance for Energy Shield, Strength and Block being highly overlapping investments count for Armor.
no they don't you stupid fucking faggot. You can play a zero armor character and still feel extremely tanky just by having capped block, high strength, and wearing a Cloak of Flame or whatever (which is exactly what I did for my rake+stomping ground+trampletoe character in 0.2 because armor was worthless dogshit)

Ghost Dance is explicitly a fucking Energy Shield mechanic that only works with Energy Shield. Block being good does not make Armor good.
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>>567549001
>5k life
non-player spotted
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>>567548938
>>567548920
another thing GGG said in the most recent interview was that they were going to nerf peak defenses for the best-geared builds.

clearly they want players to die and are fully okay with causing seethe because players will never accept that as valid powerfantasy. I get the impression my mindset about fantasy games is different because this to me seems like a great idea.
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>>567548759
Amazon has 3 good damage nodes, plus he takes bunch of the mandatory crit nodes. I will say dmg looks suspicious for now but Amazon is one of those ascendancies that has tons of damage
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>>567549001
You mean take full damage from the physdot pools on the floor except with a third of the buffer
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>>567549018
you're lucky they didn't just nerf Cloak of flame lmao
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>>567549419
Yeah. A ground effect that's able to kill an energy shield character at all will instantly kill somebody relying on armor and always will because it's non-hit damage. A Cloak of Flame is better than 10,000,000,000,000 armor against Shroudwalker degens, because it provides 40% damage reduction instead of 0%.

Deflection was originally marketed as a possible solution to pure evasion sucking but they backtracked on their initial statement of it being possible to cap like spell suppression, and it also doesn't work against non-hit damage
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>>567549656
where are the ground effects in poe2 that instantly kill anyone with capped resistences?
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>>567547874
>>567548413
>Most players never actually get to high enough tier maps where armor is no longer sufficient
Armor is a pretty strong defense up until you hit red maps when suddenly your average ranged mob WILL instakill you
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>>567549656
even if it did cap, it wouldn't matter, the formula is completely fucked (but this actually is getting changed)
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>>567549625
I'm convinced one of the aurabots as GGG uses cloak every league or something because it's been objectively better than armor every patch while also freeing up dozens of passive points of investment. They even buffed it to 50% in 0.4 which is better than it is even in poe1
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>>567549820
I didn't have any problems with 22k armour and 50k armour vs ele this league.
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>>567549354
>players will eat bullshit deaths
This is okay when you have more than one portal
>Players will just die more because we think players on the top end of investment are too safe
Why even bother with investment then if you're going to lose the map anyway? It's bullshit, clearly they want damage to be the only thing people scale
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>>567549265
fuck you, made me log in to check my bear druid and you are right, he's on 3k. I played too much poe1 last month.
>>567549419
fair point, but life flasks, constantly active life regen and life leech are supposed to balance that out. if anything, the problem doesn't lie with the defense formula, but with dots and how they just ignore all defenses except for one.
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I want Battlemage asap in poe2
Preferably with Energy Blade
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>>567549765
phys degens ignore resistances and armor entirely. somebody skipped abyss league, huh?
also ailments calculated pre-mitigation ignore armor entirely, so even with a million armor you gotta solve ailment immunity to DoTs
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Mageblood leak
Get 0-10% movement speed for every 10% of life flask recovery effect
Get 0-10% all elemental resistances for every 10% or charm effect
Get 0-10% skill speed for every jewel equipped
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>>567549991
Weird, because i have 50k armour and ~220% against ele. And i have SHIT LOAD of problems against ele damage.
For real i am constantly getting 1 shotted by citadel 6 mod bosses (2.7k hp only thou)
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>>567550101
>Get 0-10% skill speed for every jewel equipped
lol
lmao
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>>567549906
>can be up to like 65% with a good vaal
That is pretty strong
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>>567550072
you uh realize none of the dots actually do damage right? you think shade walker does but it barely does any damage, it just turns off your recovery.
bleed/poison/ignite do not do relevant damage to life builds that get a bit of regen
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>>567550101
not good enough
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>>567549906
>0% rarity 35% move speed builds
Dont tell me you do this anon
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>>567550257
it's been my league starter every league since 0.2 and has never let me down. I'll try the permanent flask chest in 0.5 but if it sucks I'm going right back to cloak+capped block for faceroll ezmode no investment mapping.
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>>567550015
5K armor outside of a life-stacking titan is basically impossible in PoE2. Even assuming you have a life roll on every piece of gear you're still missing a solid 1.5k without every %inc life on the tree
>>567550101
>0-10% for every 10%
I like this mod
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>>567550192
you should probably avoid the big slams
>b-but ES doesnt...
getting nerfed, learn to dodge
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>>567550005
personally I don't play arpgs to relax so I'm not risk-assessing everything. but I felt safe playing armour in t15+ ssf this league without feeling TOO safe. Jon also said that he didn't like the idea of everyone only playing 2-portal maps so I think you'll be okay.
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>>567550385
hyrri's ire doesn't have movespeed or rarity either, don't be dumb
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>>567550509
Thats the thing
I am not talking about big slams, examples:
>doriani fight
>he casts his fire breath from hand
>i die on first tik

>count grenor fight
>he casts his Ice from top
>i die to first hit

I am fucking SHAMAN BTW, WITH ELE STACKS asc.
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>>567550515
I just feel like armor and evasion on the top end are just not good enough to be nerfing, you never really feel *safe* on them to do gigajuicing shit like you can with ES/EV or ES. Of course, block being good is like a cheat code for armor, but in general there's few ways to overlap defensive layers in 2 compared to 1
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>>567550403
that's probably where I got my number, I used to play slam titan
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>>567550192
>citadel 6 mod bosses
I think those are just meant to 1-shot you. they're like the Arbiter where you're just meant to avoid certain attacks because GGG are meta af and want their gear-based arpg to feature stuff that kills people with any amount of gear.
parry and raise shield probably works against most of that though lmao
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>>567550690
It's almost impossible to tell what went wrong without knowing the mods but
>shaman with ice stacks dying at full life to geonnor ice drop
I can believe it, absurd damage on that thing
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>>567550812
Titan is kind of cheating for health stacking. Even then, not very impressive for that much effort and just 5k life but it's better than nothing. Health stackers in general are a bit fucked
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>open video
>Jonathan starts talking instead of Mark
>close video
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>>567550690
>50k armour 220% applies to ele damage, 2,7k hp
>dies to one grenor ice beam
that doesn't seem right, are you sure about that?
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exiled exchange 2
sidekick
or poe overlay (furry trash)
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>>567550953
>>567551028
This is what i hate about poe2, actual late game literally ignores your armor/armor to ele, its literally fucking DPS check. AND best survibilty option you have is literally
>dont be near enemy when he casts his shit
Its pretty fucking degenerate if you ask me
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>>567550690
geonor frost breath when he has +movespeed is the scariest attack in game to me, he just kills you
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>>567550690
citadel bosses with a fully-filled in boss tree are meant to be uber-pinnacle content. idk why you'd even run them with 6 mods except for the atlas points.

it's funny thinking what the nu-endgame will replace the boss tree with because being about to get everything except uber-arby fragments by just despecing out of it is retarded.
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Fire the new social media manager
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>>567551284
>Mindbroked by just his voice.
HE owns you, WE own you.
Keep bumpin! Up this threads PPH for F R E E
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I miss mbXtreme...
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>>567551604
isnt he unironically in the army now? defending ukraine or whatever
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>>567551481
>we
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>>567551462
>tier 16 or higher
so t17 maps confirmed
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>>567551323
>poe1 player when you cant just tank sirus meteor on every build
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Is shapeshifting good? Does it have good clear without Herald of Ice Armour Explosions?
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>>567551394
>>567551329
Heres my POB
https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/1b34f
I added 920 armour and 10% of armour applies to ele because it doesnt account for me being shapeshifted by default

>idk why you'd even run them with 6 mods except for the atlas points.
Thats exactly the reason i was doing 6 modded citadels AND in my defense i actually checked maps to not be super degenerate like crit/more damage/more speed.
I shit you not I think EVERY spell those bosses casted would either 1 shot me or live me with like 1% life
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>>567550810
I didn't get the impression they WERE nerfing them, but if you mean the armour formula, I think poe2 has less damage varience than poe1 anyway so if you're in the "correct" level of content the only really untankable hits should be stuff that is meant to kill everyone.

ggg definitely shipped 0.1 with the armour x12 formula just to gather data on how much more armour players died. just like how evasion didn't used to do anything to help players against slams (even though huge numbers of white mobs have slams). I would get shotgunned by groups of those act 3 tribesmen with hammers, and sometimes one-shot by single jumping white vultures shit was so cash. that kind of thing is literally necessary to slowly iterate towards balance in a game this complicated.
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>>567551723
>Does it have good clear without Herald of Ice Armour Explosions?
no melee skills have good clear without abusing armor explosion+herald of ice with phys gained as extra
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>>567551671
You're official property of /poeg/ now bump slave.
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>Step 1: "Practice run" twisters before patch notes
>Step 2: Say how OP the build is, ask GGG to nerf it
>Step 3: GGG nerfs it in the patch notes.
>Step 4: Explain why the nerf is minimal and it is still broken.
>Step 5: GGG nerfs it again before league launch.
>Step 6: Play bow yet again.
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>>567551690
>explore the ocean
>no underwater ocean floor maps
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>>567551723
Playing on high density map, poping breach, activating your walking calamity and Rampaging destroying everything in your path is insanely fun
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>>567551723
Lol, lmfao.
Bear clear is okay. Wyvern needs a bit of AoE help but you can get pretty far. Werewolf needs herald though
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>hasted
>shroud walker
>siphons mana
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>>567551810
looking at my pob I was probably being helped out by the smith node that makes 25% of physical damage from hits apply as fire damage. I assume your resistences are capped in-game. also Blade Catcher is good get that.
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>>567551723
Wyvern > bear > wolf for clear, though without herald chaining it's obviously slower.
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>>567551912
you forgot
>Step 0: GGG ask streamers to practice run twisters so they know how much to nerf it by.
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>>567552145
You should have seen what it was like when flask drain + drain mana + hasted combo existed on the rolly-pollys. Shit was incredibly obnoxious
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>>567551462
it legitimately feels like ai slop and probably is
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>>567551917
>>567552124
bear really turned out to be faster than I thought. at first I was annoyed at constantly recasting those two skills, but I quickly learned that I'm effectively sprinting through maps while everything dies. downside is, I constantly have to backtrack to collect stuff
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>>567551810
>Thats exactly the reason i was doing 6 modded citadels
just do the Jamanra one without any points in the boss tree.
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>it's actually up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIzyNUTiYCo
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Any hope werewolf gets buffs?
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whats this claw ghost hand thing
a finisher effect?
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>>567552558
>downside is, I constantly have to backtrack to collect stuff
haha, yeah, the only horrible thing about this build

>>567552616
I thought you need to have previous boss points to get next level book,
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>>567552616
removing points from boss tree is the best advice since they nerfed boss drops
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that video is so fucking stupid
its basically just reiterating what they said in the overview
biggest update ever btw
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>>567552675
It's already strong as it is, it's just boring because you have pretty much one option for a build because druid has 4 classes worth of skills jammed into one tree.
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>>567552719
its not a finisher effect
whatever it is deals damage
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>no streamerfags or anyone good plays or talks about minions positively

Yep, another comfy minion league.
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>>567552727
it makes zero sense but you could just do everything independently. I unskilled the tree to do Jade Isles as well.

note that my build was doing fine with a fully skilled boss tree vs regular and empowered map bosses. it's a beta.
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so fellow hc bros. what do we think of hc in poe 2? not gonna lie but I think its shit. the game lacks reliable defense mechanics other than stupid amounts of raw es.
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Hi i'm Johnatan Rogers, game director on Path exile 2.
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>>567553124
I haven't paid much attention to the community lately but can someone explain to me why people randomly got upset about minions? Everyone was screeching about it when the reveal happened and I honestly can't recall anyone acting like that up until now.

Did a streamer bring it up and the low IQ masses are parroting them?
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>>567552675
ghazzy has a wolfpack minion build for it, I wouldn't assume its that bad unless you've tried that.
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H A R D
A S
H E C K
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>>567552932
are you referring to talismans? druid is an ascendency that has no requirement around using shapeshifting skills
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Minions are fucking gay btw
Same with companions
and AG
and spectres
especially spectres
also Jonathan
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>>567552932
>>567553347
I just want lunar assault to be useful without herald of ice cucking and for cross-slash to be anything more than CoC fodder
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DIVINE
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>>567553293
it's a popular meme among streamers that minions are "uncool" so they performatively shit on them even if it's not any different than using totems or mines or whatever which they're fine with. Quin played Holy Strikes in Mirage and spent the entire league coping how he totally isn't a minion build despite being carried by his Sentinel of Radiance the entire time because he was a zdps moron as usual.

summoner has been a core class fantasy for ARPGs since necro in diablo 2 so anyone who pretends fucking ballista totems and mirage archer is based and cool while skeleton niggas are abhorrent is just parroting some retarded streamer
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>>567551323
>actual late game literally ignores your armor/armor to ele
no it doesn't lol it's super-useful given that most maps are going to add elemental damage to literally everything.

armour even calculates separately vs ele and phys so all the hits are mitigated more than if they had to redue the total damage.
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>>567553745
it works on maps and it is noticable, ngl.
And then i enter Doriani chamber and he kills me through all that Armour to Ele on first tick of instant cast spell and i need to search another citadel.
Great experience
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>>567549232
>You can play a zero armor character and still feel extremely tanky just by having capped block, high strength, and wearing a Cloak of Flame or whatever
But the inverse of pushing armor without strength and a shield is not true, because armor bases REQUIRE strength and high-block shields are an armor base with many ancillary functions scaling with armor. Sure, 121 Strength for a Soldier or Warlord Cuirass isn't "high" strength, but that's a hard minimum of +242 Life from the prerequisite, and if you're really pushing Armor ignoring the 197 base Tawhoan Tower Shield is silly.

>>567549354
Pulling back the long tail to shut down trivialization of mechanics is not some great crime. It is utterly straightforward to do with absolutely zero effect on the campaign, and the tiering of affixes similarly allows gutting just the ilvl 70+ stuff.

>>567553745
Armor vs. ele/chaos being pre-Resist still does janky things to the mod-shuffle for how the expectations don't align.
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>>567553620
minions are gay because you HAVE to have one of 3 specific spectres/companions that has x aura or y buff instead of just having well designed minions
don't even get me started on the fucking bullshit that is AG either
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>>567550037
which class would be them
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>>567554069
Templar ofc
His poe1 Inquisitor Ascendancy is perfectly tailored to be called "battlemage"
It even has keyword with same name on it
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>>567551462
Im so glad i love expedition before this league now i get another full rework with new bosses alongside a league mechanic that i can juice using expedition

thats just expedition, 1 of 5 mechanics 4 reworked 1 new and the new fortress, 0.5 is going to be comfy
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>>567550037
I wonder if this will be some kind of ascendancy thing, because there’s no way it’s just a random base
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poe2 lol
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0.5.1 will save poe2
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>>567551462
It looks so fucking tacky.
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>>567554184
>Im so glad i love expedition before this league now i get another full rework with new bosses alongside a league mechanic that i can juice using expedition
If they are not going to buff "rog crafting" and change drops its still going to be worthless thou lol
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>>567554309
>"rog crafting"
Anon. They've removed all the old expedition crafting from the game. In all the time they’ve been showing it there hasn’t been a single artifact.
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Why does it seem like the Omen of Amelioration is so much rarer to find in 1
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>>567553620
>totems or mines
those are also uncool and I don't care if Ben thinks Hexblast mines are legit or not really mines or some bullshit.
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>>567554309
they removed expedition crafting, replaced with runes
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>>567554237
anon it's gonna be like energy blade in poe1 where it's a temporary item granted by the skill
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Energy_Blade
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cringe
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>>567553556
imagine being Jonatroon and scaring off Kay with your balance and leaving us with fucking Ghazzy
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>>567554562
I have serious doubts because it really doesn’t fit into the skill system in Poe 2.
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>>567554682
hollow palm already does the same thing where you get a fake quarterstaff based on your level and body armor stats
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>>567554497
Hexblast mines were some cool shit anon
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>>567554550
>>567554456
What are you talking about, when you buy item from one of expedition members you still get random "remove prefix/suffix/add mod/etc" options
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>>567554739
It's a node on the tree, not a skill.
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>>567554670
Can't wait for GazaTV to screech about minions for 3 hours when talking to Mark and Jonathan this week
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>>567549820
This, its meaningless to look at the avg numbers when 60% of the gamerdadbase will never hit actual endgame.
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>>567554815
anon the npcs are gone, there is no 'buying'
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>>567554815
They're removing it. It was a placeholder from Poe 1. As I said, they haven’t shown a single artifact and now the main loot from the expedition is runes.
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>>567554047

But they made an entirely new game and marketed minions as being well designed in PoE2.
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>>567554670
poo2 is the most minion sissy core ARPG thougheverbeit
have you played them? half the fucking dev team is dedicated to minions
new league mechanic? 50+ monsters? yup, all of them need to be spectres
every fucking class has a minioncuck branch to it too, even sorc which should be about CASTING. FUCKING. SPELLS. they basically took one of sorc's ascendancies away from her and gave witch a FIFTH ASCENDANCY FOR MINIONKEKS
FUCK bro I hate minions unironically killing the fucking game
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>>567555087
D4 is marketed as a good game
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>>567554252
0.5 will be remembered as the patch of no return, where everything went to shit without a sliver of doubt.
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Chat. What is your favorite ascendency?
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>>567553556
Solar Guards were peak poe minion KINO, you can kill yourself.
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>>567554849
You don't have to watch it, dumbass.
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>>567555260
thisssss sister!!!!!!
we should watch talkative tri's interview instead!!!!! #HARD
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>>567555189
But that was 0.1, when they revealed the game was bad
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>>567554562
I'd anticipate a Persistent Buff with an if-unarmed clause, personally.
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pooegg could never
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>>567554815
we have to save gwen for rog to get some kalguraan salami
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What if GGG added a whole now section to this ascendency that allowed you to forge a weapon instead of a body armor? .
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>>567555393
tldr
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>>567555324
Or, just don't watch any of these retards. All the pertinent info will be available in written form later anyway.
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>>567555387
But you see, until now you could have huffed some hopium that the endgame wont be ass.
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>>567555470
Would be cool. All the nodes other than the armour nodes are a big miss.
The resist nodes are boring (but strong), and the cast on hit/companion weapon are total memes.
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There will be runes like "suffixes cannot be changed" and "prefixes cannot be changed" and you'll be able to replace them once craft everything you need and Poeg will love all 160 runes
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>>567555627

That summon weapon thing has to be the single worst creation in any game of all time ever.
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>>567555650
>replace them
lol
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>>567555470
The secret Kalguuran Runesmith alt ascendancy will have that ;)
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>>567555650
eventually they will make a place that lists the runes you have and shows you possible crafting options they can do
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>>567555650
>Replace them
Beats the entire purpose of that mod.
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>>567555627
>the cast on hit/companion weapon are total memes
cast fire spell on hit is ridiculous with corpse explosion
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>>567555470
Sooner or later, it will get Kalguran Smith's secret ascendancy, and then perhaps it will be weapons instead of armour
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>>567555090
All that and minions are still dogshit aside from grenadeniggery and 3000 mirror builds that are exclusively SC viable.
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>>567555470
They should add a special node that unlocks if you spend all your points on the armor nodes
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>>567555737
>>567555783
They said that most meta crafting runes can be replaced.
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>Crafting bench is too complicated
>Here's 400 runes with no easy visual distinguisher that use a convoluted system and still don't address the issue but instead just offer pure power creep patch over patch
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Everything new I see about this patch just makes it seem better and better. I pray for the servers on the 29th because they are gonna get HAMMERED.
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>>567555627
Yeah I think all those should just be replaced by weapon forging. Would be a way more interesting kind of ascendency.
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>>567555978
Jonatroon is permanently buckbroken by PoE1 and keeps fixing what isn't broken and them somehow breaking it
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>>567555470
I do not think they even remember that this ascendancy exists. This league would be a good one to put in a runesmithing special ascendancy like abyssal lich where you can forge runes or ward into a body armor instead, but again they would have to remember that this ascendancy is a thing that exists in their game
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>>567555978
They literally made a crafting bench then looked at it and thought it was boring and gay so they transferred all its effects to runes. That was in the Q&A
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>>567555978
T-thanks, Mark...
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just caught a left nut krillson will be proud we need fishing in expedition and a boat in the sea similar to act 4 ontop of that a boat hideout
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>>567555978
>players were confused by the crafting bench because the UI was designed 15 years ago
>instead of modernizing the UI and making it easier to filter for the mods you want we're going to add 200 socketable items to the drop pool
>this will make things much easier for newer players because they'll be forced to trade to get any sort of power instead of just using common currency in their stashes
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>>567555978
cry more doomsissy
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Just took a liquid poe2
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Runes are just to sell the stash tab
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>>567556378
>doomsissy
I unironically think poe2 is better than poe1 at this point
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>>567556107
>I do not think they even remember that this ascendancy exists
Good
It has consistently been one of the best ascendancies across all patches ever since they released it. People were laughing at the anvil while it carried you through the whole campaign with the right setup.
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>>567556323
>>players were confused by the crafting bench because the UI was designed 15 years ago
Did people really find it confusing? They even list down where to get these mods and now you don't even need to do delve to get to it. I doubt anyone who actually understands how mods work even on a basic level will get confused by it.
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>>567556467
Congrats, you're clinically retarded.
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>>567555978
Kek. What were they thinking... Like really Jontroon? They are gonna have to spend so much time before 1.0 just fixing all these overly complex systems.
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>>567556483
>People were laughing at the anvil while it carried you through the whole campaign with the right setup.
Not a high bar desu
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>>567556391
truke
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>>567556323
>players were confused by the crafting bench
i don't understand how is this possible
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>>567555978
>go to a bench
>infinite list of shit
>try to craft
>cant because your affixs are full
>quit
>instead
>noobs play poe2
>items drop
>its a rune
>i can socket this into my d2 gear like rune words!
>what does it do?
>read rune
>thats cool ill save it, use it or sell it
>allows noobs to get into the game plus add depth with 160 of them

cope and sneed pajeet
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>>567514479
>jonathan is obsessed with the campaign but refuses to make leveling uniques viable in endgame
I thought that was the point of the unique upgrading thing they were adding.
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you lost
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>>567555470
I mean... Yeah wtf he is literally forging a fucking sword. And the actual 'forge' skill was laughed at as utter garbage from the very first second.
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>>567556483
>People were laughing at the anvil while it carried you through the whole campaign with the right setup.
You can say this with just about anything.
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>>567555603
I guess the endgame rework is the final cope that once broken we're not coming back
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you won
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>>567556713
only works on weapons
can't upgrade armor pieces so any build that cares about defenses (90% of them, unless you're doing some Mind Over Matter shit or whatever) cant use them
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>>567556689
What a bizarre made up scenario
>Items having full affixes
>Somehow the strawman isn't smart enough to put in another item
>Somehow the strawmen doesn't just read that the game is outright saying the affixes are full
How is this harder than needing to go to a wiki to see the full list of all possible modifications you can do to an item?
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>>567556546
poo1 lost
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>>567555470
I deadass think this ascendancy as a concept has so much fucking untapped potential. There should be like 50 extra nodes in it. We are playing THE game know for it's complex skill trees for fucks sake.
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>>567557031
Then how come all its leagues since poo2 came out have been significantly better and more fun?
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>>567556601
The thing is, it was actually more than decent to begin with (when you only had 4 hits), and they’ve been buffing it ever since.
>>567556820
I can’t recall anything else where there was such a discrepancy between the community’s opinion and the actual effectiveness. Depending on your build, you could wipe out a whole pack of mobs in a single hit or have a functional discount flicker strike ready right in the second act.
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>>567546894
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1425000/Endless_Alice/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2444750/Shape_of_Dreams/
Both $5 for 100+ hours of quality content (get Shape off a keysite)
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>>567557089
because BFR was fired
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I lost the game ...
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>>567524472
The part where I accepted that GGG wasn't even bothering to make a fun game was when I found out spectering river hags doesn't give you the sickass drowning ball of instant death.
They knew that thing was bullshit.
They knew players would want to make a speceter so they can finally get their revenge
They knew it would be fun to do
So they fucking stopped you. Because its too strong? No. God forbid players have fun. That might stop them from buying stash tabs.
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>>567557024
>What a bizarre made up scenario
>>Items having full affixes
noobs having full affixes is not a bizarre scenario retardo
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>>567556530
I remember getting confused once. But I think it was only because the crafting bench window was so small.
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>>567557390
Yes anon, some random rare is very likely going to have 6 mods. The chances of that happening is definitely much lower than some rare only having 4-5.
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>>567556991
>only works on weapons
Why
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>>567555792
What's ridiculous about it? You explode corpses after you already killed all enemies?
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>>567557739
Because armor gets ward or foulborn modifier if it is Kalguran or Ezomyte.
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>>567551394
>idk why you'd even run them with 6 mods except for the atlas points.
to stack waystone chance to get more arbiter keys
but yeah, you need a pretty good build for that
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>>567556530
You have to remember the average player is retarded
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Too me it seems like Lance is the only build creator who actually tries to solve problems through intelligence, rather than autism.
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>>567557739
because "fuck you, feel the VISION (tm)" of course
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If I post a question now will someone bake the new bread immediately after and force me to post it again after having already expended all the psychic energy on the first question?
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>>567558003
or you can be smart and set aside a tab of easy 6mod just for citadels
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>>567556689
I remember the list having an end, it's not infinite.
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>>567558297
let me fish in peace you bastards
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>>567558297
>Not knowing where to find the "X Maven moans on Crit per 2 Strength" mod
NGMI
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>>567558376
Fish this *unzips tub*
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>>567555470
>>567557032
...Big fat rings of choice nodes beginning with what kind of weapon OR armour you wish to juice from White.

>>567556107
Issue is that Kitava is Karui, I feel like there's a better argument for Martial Artist off tattoos or Shaman off bonded mods.
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poopy poop shit of poe poo 2
Debate me. You won't.
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>>567558228
iirc mods that provide waystone chance specifically are the most ass ones (one of them is inc % monster life, so you are consistently fighting 40mil hp bosses)
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Crafting bench > > > pooo > > > piss > > > runes
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>>567558563
waystone chance is on every single mod
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how come normal people dont play poe?
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>>567558520
I cant debate this king, you won.
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>>567558831
1 is a stinky autism game
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>>567558831
Playing Diablo-like ARPGs unironically requires some level of mental illness to be palatable.
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>>567558831
2 is a shit game
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>>567558831
they dont know about it
its not advertised
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>>567558831
You have to be mentally retarded and/or autistic to enjoy a game with 0 gameplay (you never meaningfully interact with enemies or think about what they're doing) and the only thing that makes the game fun is grinding for loot for thousands of hours.
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>>567558891
Every type of game should be like this.
Autistic retards shall inherit the world.
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I'm strongly considering actually playing a league starter for the first time in PoE2. Thinking about EDC Lich, since that basically stumbles into t15 on 0 budget. I do that, farm like 40 divs and then switch into an actual build on day 2-3.
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>>567558831
this gif is so funny to me still
>>567500827
to normies its a slow sloggy boring numbers game and it always will be
no matter how easy they make it to access or understand, normies do not like it
they might initially be lured in by the EPIC BOSS FIGHTS but they wont stay for the longer lasting and robust systems

which is why we should be asking why they feel the need to butcher those robust systems for people who will not ever play the game past act 2
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>>567559259
retard
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>>567558927
Minecraft is one of the most popular games ever.
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We get the patch tomorrow, right?
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>>567559425
>Minecraft
?
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>>567559425
Okay? What are you on about?
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fubgun is going to exilecon in november, are we taking bets on what he looks like?
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>>567559540
>>567559618
Minecraft is also a game that requires a certain degree of autism.
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You WILL tell me how to make this specter work.
I am no longer asking.
If you do NOT tell me how to make these work. I will ensure that fangs of asterkam gets delayed.
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>>567559737
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>>567559814
retard
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>>567559814
Alright yes, thank you for show us an example of autism.
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>>567558831
They play fun arpgs like d4
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>>567559814
retard
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>>567559823
It sucks
Don't use it
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>>567559737
>He
It'd be "she" by that time by my guess.
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>>567560072
That is not what I asked.
I hope you weren't looking forward to playing fangs of asterkam.
You were warned.
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>>567560165
Fuck you, Zantai. Release the expansion already, you feature-creeping bastard
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I'm willing to bet everything I own that Fubgun has this phenotype.
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>>567560540
Fubgun is black I miss the retard who would post that anytime Fub was brought up
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>>567560540
hes obviously not proud of his apperance
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Fubgun is the hunchback of Notre Dame
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Fubgun is a girl with a voice changer
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>>567560540
Would fit his voice perfectly.
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what's up guys, fubgun here
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Fubgun is trans gay black women with a voice changer
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>>567560467
Come on there's got to be something here.
25% bleed I can't make work. Its too low to rely on and there's no point chucking a bleed support on it because the bleed support is 100% anyway.
One of the spear fields is visual only for some reason, the other does a lot of small hits. Its got the big spear projectile thing that does a shit tonne of damage but it can't be projectile modded.
I saw someone running the chaos lineage support gem that adds 25% as extra chaos but I don't really know why.
Incision might help with the bleed thing. The field of spears applies incision stacks and the projectile consumes them. That sounds like a GGG Approved Combo. Except there's no way to make it so the spear fields don't just consume the incision stacks themselves.
CDR would go a long way since all the stuff I actually want it to do is on a CD. But the sources of minion CD that aren't command skills seem very few and far between.
The AOE is technically a spell apparently, but I can't find any spell support gems that work on minions and actually do anything useful.
I can't find any amulets to use with not!necromantic aegis, you can desecrate CD on it, but you can desecrate more minion CD anyway.
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>>567558420
>...Big fat rings of choice nodes beginning with what kind of weapon OR armour you wish to juice from White.

Yeah the armor thing should just be changed into selecting what you want to forge so you are limited to one thing only maybe for balance and to not melt noob brain when they see 60 options when ascending to that class lol
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you can tell fub is non white because he, like many other undercover ethnics, speaks in a permanently neutral/droning way
its sort of stilted speech.
very rarely putting any 'strain' on their fake fragile 'voice', its odd. the odd intonations/and inflections, or at times, a lack of it. sometimes when theyp ut in some emotion the voice sounds really odd and unnatural. like its voice cracking lol
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fub looks like this https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1778970851412846.mp4
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>>567561429
To think this pedo glazed poe 2
and now he can't stream and will probably kill himself
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>>567561429
bitch that's called autism
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>>567559737
I don't care what 'he' looks like im smashing.
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>>567561507
>Opens up child porn
>Alt tabs and just pretends nothing happened
Funny
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>>567561448
holy fuck, literal sex goddess
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>>567561448
I'm at a point in my life where looking at things like this doesn't make me horny anymore, it just makes me more depressed.
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>>567560540
Wont bet against you for sure.
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poe has the party board that lists open public parties
but why not have a queue type feature thing that auto matches people on the same server
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>>567561429
What did he even do? He literally dindu nothing other than fap to loli (based) and have a sus looking document that didn't actually contain anything illegal?
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>>567561646
Lol, QRD?
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>>567562087
He had saved pictures of naked kids from nudist beaches IIRC
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>>567562317
that doesnt sound true
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>>567562370
nta it is true, pedos find loopholes in the law to view stuff on children, family nude beaches are one of them and he had a notepad with links to the websites which housed this shit

true story
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>>567562087
>>567562157
Windows 11 opens the last text document you had open when you launch the app from scratch. And so he opened a text document full of links to underage porn.
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>>567562557
>family nude beaches
What the fuck, do germans really?
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>>567562739
Most of Europe is fine with that
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>>567562825
I dont live in the "most" part I suppose.
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>>567562910
You probably just don't know about it
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Poe 2 players onions out over patch notes when they're going to be changed 5+ times because GGG has no idea what they're doing
Truly the most raped goyslave fanbase known to gaming
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Those Oriathans would definitely have family nudist beaches.
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new genshin patch TONIGHT
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>>567563192
Im mostly perplexed about the family part.
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>>567563227
>patch notes come out
>people do the math on a lot of things and find insanely broken interactions
>grifters read about said broken interactions and take credit themselves and make videos about it
>"PATCH NOTES OUT! MOST BROKEN BUILD FOR 0.5??!?! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!!"
>1 day before launch GGG adjusts it to normal levels

has been a recurring theme since poo2 launched
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every gacha player will die in their sleep the night before 0.5 launch
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>>567562739
there were legit nude beach magazines showing everyone naked, doing various activities, mostly from central and northern europe I think, around the 70s. never understood why that existed, but probably a byproduct of technological progress, similar to the wild west early internet.
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>>567558649
the crafting bench is actually kinda shit
long list, tiny window
have to remember random segments of words to limit the search to only show what you want
often have to alternate between 2-3 crafts to spam
easy to forget prefixes cannot be changed and then scour your 1000 div helm
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>>567563524
this is the case for everything but ES
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>>567563632
ES is getting demolished this patch, trust. You didn't hear it from me.
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>>567563565
It’s usually Northern Europe that gets involved in this sort of crap, and they have a really stupid attitude towards the whole thing. It’s literally a society with such a high level of trust that they trust criminals so much they let them out for a walk, and it’s the same with pedophiles, ‘look but don’t touch’.
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>>567563715
Zaccie has said this the past 3 patches btw
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es getting demolished when we already know that you can get % es on a lot of new crafts basically just powercreeping es even more
but its ok because life got some gimmicky bullshit that tanks your other defenses for more ehp...kind of well its like ehp that you can't really restore easily lol but its like ANOTHER LIFE POOL!!! JUST LIKE THE SAID!! MORE LIFE!!! (its not called life its called ward)
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>>567563857
He's fixing it his way. Fuck your feedback.
LET
HIM
COOK
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>>567563996
Nerfing ES would be too confusing to new players
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>>567563857
He is a liar. I am not.
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>>567556689
anyone this retarded deserves to get filtered
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My favorite part of the pre-league release period is people/youtubers posting cool item interactions on reddit/youtube causing it to get nerfed right before launch.
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My favorite part is not caring because I'm not a metacuck.
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>>567546894
work on your backlog
i played 2 doom eternal levels tonight
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i dont care because im not playing 0.5
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we're gonna die again
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I only came here for the cute anime posters
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I make my own build every league. SSF btw
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>>567568748
lil frogcuck
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When patchnotes?
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>>567569089
>>567505438
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>>567569089
Two more weeks
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>>567569248
>>567569365
I don't think I have that much shit inside me to poop out anons
>>567568748
I'll SSF next league but I'll mostly play trade to see what I can farm up in the first week
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>>567563857
Fundamentally he really can't JUST nerf ES because then no one's going to do endgame content
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was thinking of playing titan
watch dude is 2hr in and not ascended yet
mace striking bosses and dying
leap slams and waits a fortnight to land
not sure i want to play titan
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I honestly don't know where on earth you'd ever need 20k ES. 3k life is more than enough.
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>>567571089
>t died to Sir Yiff's ice fall
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>>567571082
Bad gear or something? No way he's unascended 2 hours in after sugma nerfs
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>>567570568
pooplet
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>>567564314
the jungroan special
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>tri has 500 viewers on Twitch
Poo 2's community is cooked



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