3 days of possible relative calm edition>Demo DaysNEXT: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-69Previous: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-68>AGDG Resourceshttps://hackmd.io/SNd2YQugRG-36CLYc8Og2w>Progress Posting Guidehttps://pastebin.com/0xEt5atn>Helpful LinksNew Threads: >>>/vg/agdgArchive: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/subject/agdg//agdg/ Steam Games: https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/>How to WebMhttps://obsproject.comhttps://github.com/argorar/WebMConverter>Previous Thread>>567465331>Nuked schizo thread>>567555296
>>567614675Jannys did their job holy shit
Pretty funny if you look through what got deleted in the schizo thread before the whole thread got nuked. He spent over 12 hours spamming the thread and replying to himself when he didn't get (You)s.
you guys are hopeless
>>567614851>He spent over 12 hours spamming the thread and replying to himself when he didn't get (You)s.why is he like this?
>>567613075>>it' looks like a simulation but precisely it's procedural generation, there won't be any simulation until agency is added>Translation?if you run a simulation for 1000 steps and then quit without saving the state, you will have to re-compute those 1000 steps to recreate the state.if you procedurally generate a state, "step 1000" and "step 1" are computationally identical just with different inputs and outputs.CTRL+U has the appearance of an openworld simulation because the NPCs and their pathing are coherent across time/steps but it's procedurally generated.
can someone drop the lore. whos the schizo, i wasnt going to read all dat
>>567615160That's what happens when you fail at gamedev and schizo yourself by being unable to let go.
i have thrown in the towel
Predict the >Release date>Price>Rating>Review count>Sales
>>567615253it's the zukjeet. e-celeb obsessed indian (chris zukowski in particular)he used to samefag posts about zukowski's blog in a similar fashion and when anons started calling him out on that, he went ballistic and decided to go to war with the whole thread.he is also obsessed to an unhealthy degree with gogem for some reason. i'm not sure why, seems like he seethes over him because gogem hates steam?
>>567615485I was told the zukjeet was Betz though
talk about indie video games, I'd post my game but it's too embarassing
>>567615587no he isn't, it's some other schizo who was a war with betz (and calls everyone he doesn't like betz). the zukjeet hates bokudev while betz doesn't.
>>567615253some crab (possibly one of the valve outsourced propaganda posters gone rogue?) that i mindbroke inadvertently?like half of the last 3 threads was just him accusing everyone of being me...or maybe accusing himself of being me in a schizospam frenzy? idk
>>567615485NOOOOO i actually liked that schizo. i didnt know he was deranged. i just thought he was autistic about market research wtf
>>567615712gogem you best be silent if you don't know anything.>>567615721there's at least one other anon who posts zukowski who isn't nearly as deranged as the zukjeet but he also doesn't post nearly as often.
>>567615446i've consulted the cards....
>>567616428gulp
binging random dev vlogs has made me realize engines are an anti-feature for most people because they have access to too much at once and end up killing good idea kernels with ADHD.Being forced to make all your basic features severely limits you in a good way.
>>567615712the levels of narcissism on this one
>>567615201>Rimworld's ticksSpeed 3 = Tick 3 times in one frame>Anon's ticksSpeed 3 = Tick once and multiply all tick-sensitive values by 3.Tell me why this wouldn't work.
Just throwing in something I'm working on. Basically I'm doing anime female base model that I want later to use for other stuff. Doing stuff very casually so it takes a bit of while. This is my second attempt at base model, because first one was shit and done almost year ago.
>>567617831AAIIIIEEEE MODS
>>567617831Not awful but the proportions look kinda off. To me it's the head shape and the side profile when compared to the width of the hips. I'm not an expert however. Someone else might have more to complain about.
>>567617831Needs more ASS! Look at that sad side profile!
Why is it so hard to build the game system up?I want to make games, not build systems.
>>567618503a game is literally a bunch of systems + art
So I have a tiling texture both on a wall and on the ground below the wall. How do I add hand painted dirt and or shadows between the two meshes, so they'll fit together more nicely? And on the corners and so on. Basically like in this pic.Do I add more meshes that hover over the wall/ground? Add another UV? On what mesh?Some ambient occlusion trickery?the oddest solution I came across https://files.catbox.moe/p24ick.jpg
I wish we lived in c64 eraMaking hit games must have never been easier back then
>>567619784Shipping physical copies was the big hurdle back then and you basically needed a publisher for that.
>>567617808>4 *= 1 (x3) -> 4>4 *= 1*3 -> 12i know gamedev is for mathlets but you can't be this bad
>>567619921i don't get it
>>567618173Side profile def has something off. Head possibly should connect with neck slightly lower and hips I think are too thin as they should be similar thickness on profile as chest is. I think when I was tweaking stuff around I broke it. Thanks for pointing it out, later I will fix it. When you spend too much time staring at something you lose a bit of touch and you just stop seeing things
>>567619218you want texture blending
>>567619218use AI
>>567617808Enjoy your physics tunneling.
>>567621147phyiscs?
>I was coming to post progress and I missed a shitshow so big that a whole thread has been nuked.I'll post my progress tomorrow I guess
>>567621529benchod
I'm still upset someone made a friiendslop casino and it's one of the top selling games of 2026.
>>567621763womp womp
>>567622129rimworld by cris
>>5676154462029$19.9970% just floating above mixed300 reviews
At /agdg/ we love our unc Eric(who is NOT chopped)
reminder that you can't make it without luck
>>567622698I can't think of a single 'very good' game that didn't start selling well after a while.The only exceptions must be from obscure genres.
>>567622698good games do sell themselves but bad games like StS can also sell themselves.That's the trouble.
>>567622868that's because to you "good games" are games that sell well.
>>567622868>I can't think of a single 'very good' game that didn't start selling well after a while.fear and hunger
>>567623012I'll take that low-quality retort as an admission of defeat.>>567623038As I've said, obscure genres don't count.Non-anime atmospheric RPG Maker games were a small niche before content creators feasted on it with endless essays.
>>567623218>I'll take that low-quality retort as an admission of defeat.I'll take dumb-ass conclusion as an acknowledgement that you owe me $50k
>>567623218>a game that is considered "good" by at least 10 thousand people doesn't count because... because nobody knew about it before!!!that's some incredible logic right there.
>>567622698This doesn't apply to current day /agdg/ because you all produce only abysmal dogshit
it's insane how much calmer and better this thread is now. all it took is to remove a single psycho out of the thread. crazy how much damage a single retard can do.
>>567623353My argument is that a great game part of an established genre is always going to sell well.F&H popularized its own genre, so by definition, it can't count against my argument.
>>567623569>only abysmal dogshitso far every /agdg/ game released this year got 100+ reviews.i don't think "abysmal dogshit" can get to 100 reviews in a month of its release>>567623662>My argument is that a great game part of an established genre is always going to sell well.if there's no marketing for it or the marketing was bad, it won't. how do you expect people to find that good game when the store is flooded with garbage every day?
Something something join /v/3 by Saturday >Main trailers https://forms.gle/yLYCeFKH9yBi5P… >Quickshots https://forms.gle/Cth3vrBQ9u7kfe… >Trailer https://youtu.be/zcJqrrPSaNc
>>567623840>if there's no marketing for it or the marketing was bad, it won't.Then show me great games part of an established genre that didn't sell well. It should be easy to prove.
>>567624020>show me a good game that nobody knows about, it shuold be easy to find one
>>567617831Eyes are way too close together, should be closer to 1.5 eye widths than .5 between themAs other anon pointed out, needs more ass, especially to correct for that APT you modeled in, imagine rigging her and standing her up straight, it will be concave back there at that pointLower hip bone protrusions are too low on the silhouetteBelly and shoulderblades both need more definition
>>567624172I'll take that as another concession. Thanks for the wins, everyone.
>>567623840>how do you expect people to find that good game when the store is flooded with garbage every day?how do random youtube videos of a dude scratching his nut get 932042423 of viewsthe samek for tok taksthe same for literally any other website with tons of content from millions of people curated by algosgramps, have you been living under a rock?you do realize it's not real people going door to door, talking about the hip new videogame that they oughta try out, you do know that right? there's stuff like automation, etc. its computars, gramps, computars do this!!! mind - 100% blowngame sux => sales suxsimple as, the "you need marketing" line is boomer bullshit for grampas, get with the times
>>567624172all you have to do is find a seemingly good looking and playing game on steam with sub 100 reviews.
>>567624618it works the other way too, if you don't get lucky with algorithms you get fucked regardless of your game's quality>>567624639https://store.steampowered.com/app/2845720/NBBEXE/>inb4 this isn't a good game because... it just isn't okay???!!
>>567623569>Ignores the games with hundreds of reviewsOhohohoho you got lost on your way to the redd*t hugbox kind saar, plz reset computor, open interner explorer, and type redd*t. I accept tips in google playstore cards btw>Guns and Nuns: Storming Hell>Wasteland Bites>Wireworks>Poke All ToadsOh would you look at that multiple minor successes. Oh lets take a look at the redd*t hugbox. Wow, 500 updoots saying you guys want to buy redd*tor #49161041 game. Let's see the reviews.....2
hard work doesn't pay off, you all are wrong for working hard
>>567621446If you "skip" frames fast objects can move through walls because the frame that wouldr egister the collision is glossed over
>>567624789>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2845720/NBBEXE/+ okay concept- ugly and garish art- terrible presentation - amateur looking gameplay - bad trailerOverall it's a decently impressive amateur project that shouldn't have been sold. (Which happens a lot these days because indie devs have no shame)
>>567624789>inb4 this isn't a good game because... it just isn't okay???!!have you played it?
>>567625079add more frames to the wall
>>567624789>if you don't get lucky with algorithms you get fucked regardless of your game's qualitylol no, there's no luckyour game is shit, people won't interact with it, algos won't show it to more peoplethat's it, there's nothing more"it's about luck" is a scapegoat for people who completely lack talent and hence aren't able to tell there's even any difference between good and obviously bad gameslike describing the difference between blue and red to the blind, they just don't operate in that dimension - at all, so they need something completely else to try to explain it with
>>567624789holy shit this gotta be made upI'll need a very skilled necromancer for my sides now
>>567625417see >>567622698 and pay special attention to the tiny scribblings in the bottom of the image
How do you guys dev if you are sleepy?
>>567625898I take benadryl
>>567625934Doesn't that make you sleepier?
>>567625864sorry but my dice rolled 3 so I won't be paying any attention to your word saladtry buying more ads for it perchance
>>567625898I take a game dev nap and continue to develop in my dreams
>>567624789How have you not realized that you are being trolled, someone is trolling you, if they are asking you to provide something on fourchan dot exe they are trolling you, 100% of the timeStop replying, I blame you more for shitting up the thread than I blame the guy baiting you honestly
>>567625898sleepily
>>567625898I use speech-to-text to make a very basic articulation of what I want to do, then I go on one of these websites "turn your lazy prompt into a good prompt", then I paste that text, then I copy the AI output as another AI input and let my slavebot do the work.
>>567626293AI Chads just keep winning
Now with some gameplay (you can also see her bladder fill up as time progresses)
>>567626369Kill yourself
>>567626171i'm being genuine with him. I legitimately do want cases of good games that inexplicably failed.The best i've gotten is arguable ones in terms of quality and relative sales to their scope. (they performed well enough just not stardew level success)
>>567626369Are you the loli r4pe sim dev from years ago?
>>567625898i go to bed and sleep and then wake up and continue refreshed
>>567626527zoomer detected
Luck is a factor. not only in the sense that you need it to sell a good game, but also when a bad game sells a lot no apparent reason. There are a lot of shitty games that sold a lot for one reason or another, but for sure it's not all about 'marketing genius' or shilling. Sometimes even a bad game can be in the right place at the right time and sell a ton.And of course you have hindsight to justify anything and try to make some sense of it, but there is a reason the term "one hit wonder" exists.
>>567626369I thank the God every night for making computers and the internet which provide a haven for genetic dead end cretins like this to discretely and (for society) safely live out their days till they expire so our children can reabsorb their biomass and actually turn it into something that has a future
>>567626608>There are a lot of shitty games that sold a lot for one reason or another, but for sure it's not all about 'marketing genius' or shilling. Sometimes even a bad game can be in the right place at the right time and sell a ton.such as?
>>56762655735 year old neet
>>567626608luck is a minor factor, yeshow good the game is is a major factor that will be the thing deciding how a game fares, on average
would you play a game that had goonbait character designs like picrel in it
>>567626692proof?
>>567626868 he posts here
>>567626673Do you expect someone to reply with a list so you can just reply with>lol that doesn't countSearch any game where people have an opinion like>sales != qualityOr ask some ai
>>567627020Yes.
How much would I regret scrapping Unity physics entirely and trying to do it myself? It's just a platformer so it's possible, but I'm sure there will be things like continuous collision detection that will be hard.
>>567627239if you're in it to learn and are a nerd you'll love itif you're in it for money then lmao >platformer
>>567626507Nah
>>567623218>I'll take that low-quality retort as an admission of defeat.People make that exact argument on agdg all the time, though.
>Kannadev
>>567626369nice!
godot users, i heard that CSG has improvedis it ok to use re-textured csg prims n the final game for simple things such as a manmade wall or a floor?
I think i need to change the silhouettes more strongly. The feedback ive gotten most often so far is that my art is generic. Im creatively bankrupt, so itll be hard to fix that, but ill try to. Also tried out changing the proportions as somebody stated, but i didnt end up liking any. The furry thing also didnt work out, ill return to normal humans. Applied to more grocery stores, if i get a position and still havnt found something im satisfied with, ill just stop gamedev and drawing, it clearly isnt for me.Negative comments only please or just ignore me. I dont need positivity crabs who want me to waste my time and fester delusions.
>>567628780Make their tits bigger (slightly) and their penis smaller
>>567628780you're just posting this to gloat, fine, you're good, are you happy now?
>>567628780Put big fat cocks on the girls or what's even the point
>>567628780:| what? I wish i was this good at art. Id need to see the whole cast of characters. Now if they all look exactly the same then you have a problem
>>567628780Sorry I reflexively replied with the cock thing but actually what is the point of this? Why do you have so many near identical sprites of the same thing? Like is that guy on the bottom supposed to stand there while his scarf kind of jiggles on his neck? Do these guys walk around or jump or say anything or get surprised? What and where is the game here?
>>567628285CSGs have always been fine so long as you're not trying to recompute them in real-time.
>>567626830yes
>>567627824too late, anon unilaterally declared victory
>>567629564nope! i just laid them down for the layout of the room. Next step is to hop on blender and objects like desks tables and chairs to the roomsfor those, i think i can just put a simple collision box around the mesh, right?
>>567628780Gress
>>567615446>Release date9/11>Price$9.11>Rating91.1%>Review count911>Sales67911 go to heaven
>>567629817Yup
the socially inept and awkward try making videogames - something where you need to be extremely good at judging how people will react to concepts and what will they see as funthis subreddit is one huge hilarious oxymoron
>>567630530conversely, most normalfag devs are pretty retarded and equally clueless at times, where they can't differentiate slop-"fun" from real fun.
I wont respond after this, i dont want to shit up the thread more. >>567628906>>567629189I wont give them a penis or breasts. But thank you for the feedback.>>567629000No your standards are just low. If i genuinely thought that i wouldnt redesign the characters over and over again. >>567629407You can get way better than that by just drawing daily. Ive seen people who are way beyond me in skill after learning art only for a few months, maybe even weeks. Pixelart at that level is pretty easy. The average pixel artist on twitter is 10 times better. Most of my cast looks pretty similar, its all just generic white guys in the same gay costumes. >>567629552I got lost in the details, i usually copy a sprite from the left to the right and adjust something, hoping that over time the design will be different. Thank you for pointing out the lack of change, ill try to do better next time. I do have sprite sheets with animations, but im halting working on the game rn without a good idea of how it should look.>>567630097Based.
>>567630530TRVKE. Friendly reminder that empathy is one of the most important traits required for any creative endeavor.
>>567630731do you work for money?
>>567630530But creative people are intune with that kind of shit. For sure a random jock(as in, an opposite of a socially inept creative neet) won't know how the fuck to make something that tries to resonate with people
>>567630731then you are doomed to keep redoing it over and over again never satisfied, they look fine move on to the next thing
Would learning love2d/defold and lua or gamemaker and gml be easier for someone new to programming?
>>567631114Gamemaker
>>567631114I don't know
>>567631114Make Pong in both to find out.
>>567628780I suggested the smaller head rudely and I think it looks better. Why are you becoming so paralyzed over sprites? The longer you spend stimming and redoing the same things over and over and taking suggestions from crabs the more certain you will be to NGMI. Just do the gameplay and hire an artist to work with you later
Guys I have a pickle
>>567630530What subreddit should I visit to into social aptitude?
My garden is coming along nicely.
>>567626830reminded me of my pso2 chara but it was a shit gamealso your AI slop is too obviously AI slop which doesn't work it needs to be good enough to fool normies
>>567631114use a no-code or low-code engine
>>567631240Don't drop it
>>567630530all new culture is created by people at the edges, normies can only repeat the same shit over and over again, they are stuck in a box
>>567628780Why does she have little brown tentacles doing bodybuilder flexing?
>>567631647>>567630996You guys seem to think we're the cool edgy creatives.We're closer to normies than actually creative cool people are to us. We're just as dime a dozeney as the normie jocks. Difference is, we smell and look way worse. Dunno if those qualities can bring us closer to them triple digit review counts.
>>567628780Look at guns and nuns. Very generic protag but she's crazy so everyone loves her. You just need some sort of emotional hook.It could be your characters. The blonde femboy looks great but you could insert one or two personality traits to make him grab people like being nervous, smug, bratty, etc.Or if you like the plain jane characters, you could look into putting more personality into the setting or side characters.
Created the ending credits music for my game, what do you guys think? https://voca.ro/1mOb7mFvo6uZ
>>567631509You are GMI, I'm sure
>>567632241Thanks for the encouragement !!Please also fishlist haha
>>567630530Normies' social skills and empathy are completely instinctual, it doesn't translate at all to the thing you're talking about. You need actual IQ for that
>>567631509your art is very nice and i'm disappointed it's just for a fishing game
>>567632442>Please also fishlist hahaMarketing genius dude
>>567630342k, thx for replying to me~!
>>567628780You've made the defining design element in most of the characters their boots. I think the version of this with only sleeves attached is one of the better looking ones, but if you're married to the full jacket version then you have to compromise on the colors a little. Everything can't compete for space at once, pic rel is an example where eye color > gold trim > fluff > clothing
>>567631545>it needs to be good enough to fool normiesdo not underestimate normies they are smarter than you believe
>>567631869There is a barrier you forget. To even get something playable to a DD you are already on top of the huge mass of people that tries to dev.Imo nobody who has a game in dd can be considered a normie.'actually creative' means shit, there is no difference between a schizo that dreams of his solo devved mmo and a stardew dev. Creativity is not about quality, money, resonance with other people or about your skill to put your dream into code/paper.It's not about being actually creative, but being skillful enough to put your autism to good use
>>567631545do you think i'm fucking retarded? obviously it won't be used for the game and only as reference for character models. don't treat me like I'm a 50 iq indian.
>>567631545>it needs to be good enough to fool normiessomehow I doubt porn addicts mind AI slop
It's possible to not have vision but stumble into making a massively successful gameIt's not exactly luck but it's not intentional either
I said i wont respond anymore, but it feels bad to ignore messages. >>567632983Thank you for going out of your way to recolour it. Your feedback is true but i dont like the colours you chose. Im sorry.>>567631995I think both is needed to make something that interests me. I wouldnt sell the game anyways, it would be free on itch, it needs to be good to me. My ability to write characters is a completely different hurdle.>>567631753Its a bad design, ill change it. Thank you.>>567631210Im NGMI in the first place. It doesnt matter if i redo the sprites or not.>>567631030True, that will be the case.>>567630874No.
>>567634834it's actually genius that there are no vampires or survivors in vampire survivors
2D game, I want to make.No idea what though. I don't want incremental, but I don't want something with fuckhuge scope either...
>>567633070>>567633535there's a level of quality after which they either don't care or don't notice>>567633390how the fuck am I supposed to know what your intentions are? most AI retards are 50 IQ indians
>>567634834he's lying he set out to clone magic survivors and use his skills learned from making gambling shit to make it addictive
>>567635883yoda?
...
>>567634834what he probably means is he added and changed things along the way he didn't think in the beginning which is completely normalI wouldn't use this as an incentive to willingly start a game without a vision at all
Your luck cope doesn't apply to you when you haven't even met to prerequisites necessary to have any chance at getting lucky.
>>567636813Cris...
I just busted a fat nut and my motivation levels went to shit. Thanks a lot gooning.
>>567636157>>567636749or you could just take what he said at face value and accept that sometimes success isn't a result of some master plan but making arbitrary decisions with unpredictable consequences
>>567635883how do you have no game ideas? any dev should have a couple dozen ideas tucked away in their idea cabinet
>>567637353I prototyped everything I had in mind, nothing stuck. Now I'm out of ideas
>>567637087even if that is true, what purpose does it serve you? just to cope when you fail?
>>567637087Success is the result of being able to make a lot of good design decisions. It doesn't really matter if you make those design decisions all at once (architect) or incrementally (gardener).
>>567637392Do you play boardgames?
>>567637392look at some simple old 2d games for ideas
>>567637217If I label my arcade game incremental I will not survive
You end up playing the lottery because you are far too stupid to be able to make any good design decisions. All you can do is randomly ape other people's design decisions without any clue as to why they made those.
>>567637974good design decisions = numbers go up with stimming
>>567637940that's actually solid advice thanks
>>567637974this post is projection btw
>>567638394this post is cope and seethe btw
>>567637217God I wish fairies with bodies shaped like lightbulbs were real
>>567638147Yes.
>>567637974let me try some nostradamus shit: you haven't released a successful game yet but you're sure you'll be making good design decisions... eventually
>>567638463There's no way you're ban evading already.
>>567639076I haven't released a successful commercial game because those take far more time to produce than I've been into gamedev, but I've released many smaller non-commercial games, as well as many commercial non-game projects, which is how I make my living. Commercial-quality video games are extremely complicated, and I think most of y'all heavily underestimate what it takes to make a reasonable one.>>567639497>all of my thread enemies are the same person
>start a new project>??>nah, drop itgamedev is really not for me, I'm not a fucking kid I don't have the imagination to do this
>>567640368>I'm still a virgin but I know I'll be great at sex unlike all these idiots with girlfriends who just keep fumblingtalk to me when you have a game out on Steam
>>567640368>y'all
Indie revival of Spore when?
>>567640923I can't believe I missed thatanon needs to go back to plebbit
>>567640850I've had sex with six different girls with two longer term relationships, but I've yet to get married, settle down, and have some kids, which I still plan to hopefully to do eventually.Have sex, anon. It's not that hard.>>567640923>>567641013Greetings and much love from New Bombay, Texas, good saars. I'm allowed to say y'all.
Once this releases, I will finally work on my dream game
>>567641305it's not THAT much better than opus for coding. just use opus.
>$15 in my savings accountyou know, after having $3000 debt and clearing it, I’m not even mad
>>567641829nice one dude. now you can buy my game
>>567641305you'll come up with a new excuse by then
>>567641012https://store.steampowered.com/app/888780/Adapt/
>>567642182What’s your game anon?
>>567642654I'm not quite ready... 'now' was a lie :/
>>567642985Ah it’s okay, have you considered selling your game the old way? You know having a website and a buy now button there
'dites losereded
Where do these nodevs get the balls to call out yesdevs for being stupid and bad at gamedev?I wish I had that retarded confidence to think I'd be better at something I've never done
>>567643120I've thought about it. I used to have a portfolio site, which I could revive and double as a place to buy my games.
>>567614675I'm thinking of posting a picture of a dead African baby with his guts spilling out on my family's Whatsapp Chanel.Should I do it?
>>567630731>Pixelart at that level is pretty easy.You are really egging me on into posting my art aren't you -___- I've been at this for years and still suck. The difference between then and now is noticeable but it still pales to what you can make. Best I can do is mere mimicry of others art but I need to frequently stare at it as I draw it. Perhaps you see an issue with the overall styling of your characters? A unique look you desire to give? I haven't seen the whole cast you have in your game but perhaps referencing other similar games might help to see how they made their characters look unique? I'd need to see a line up of your characters to decide if they've got that memorable/unique look.
>Bittersweet Birthday devs spent over 5 years working on their game>only 20 reviewsLolhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1581100/Bittersweet_Birthday/
>>567619218How did you do this
>>567644263would do ok on switch
>>567644263>20 dollars
>>567644263If I used Steam I'd leave them a review to fire the music guy and whoever named the game
>>567644590that's cheap as fuck. this isn't a mobile game
>>567644590The game is 10 hours long if the playthroughs on youtube are anything to go by
Reposting old proggy because thread is gone.
>>567642487there's also strange seed which is more like an adventure platformer with a monster part collection element though I felt it failed to make the most of what they had
I know I want to make a game about delivering things but I don't know what you should be delivering
>>567645182> I don't know what you should be deliveringcum
>>567644263More like Bittersweet Release Day.>>567645182Does it have to be anything more defined than "packages"?
In your own words this is nothing special....so I suppose I can pay you $10 USD for a whole sprite with animations....I mean you think it's lousy so it shouldn't cost me all that much for you to make "lousy" designs for my game, right? In fact how about just doing all the art I need in my game? I can pay you $10 per monster sprite (and their animations), $40 per boss sprite (and their animations), $15 per generic NPC (and their animations), $30 per unique side character (and their animations, less than main character by a large margin), and $100 for the main characters sprite (and all her unique animations, much more than a monster). Oh and of course the tilesets for each level, mmmm say $20 a piece due to the amount of sprites.How's that sound? I may as well pay you and pump my odds of gamedev success. Beats gambling $10k and timing the pico top and losing over $5k in under a weeks time....Hmm lets see her>main character: $100>side characters x 5: $150>npc's x 16: $160>monsters × 30: $300>bosses × 10: $400>tilesets x 12: $240Total: $1350And if you are capable of it, would you be willing?
>>567645182https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin
>>567645182love letters
>>567645239I'm done making NSFW payment processors make that a dead end>>567645254No, but I need to know, if you smell me
>>567645279who you talking to?
>>567645279I charge 40 an hour for my pixel work
>>567645279Meant for >>567630731
>>567645513That gives me a decent idea thanks
>>567645860Nooooooo STOP NOOOO THIS CANT BE HAPPENING!!!! Stop that was my idea what are you doing nooo nooooooooo!!!!
>>567633535There are coomers and there are gooners. Coomers will coom to anything because they have no taste and are already cooming to ai, groomers have a taste and they are either genning their own personal material or they are very anti-ai.
>>567640368>I haven't released a successful commercial game because those take far more timeHollow Knight was made in 3 years and YOMIhustle was made in 3 months. Making a 10,000+ review game takes somewhere between 3 months and 3 years.If you're so confident in your abilities, why not just quit your job and spend a year making a good game while coasting off your savings? You'll become a millionaire once the game inevitably sells, right?
>>567644831emi...
>>567646103He's too busy having sex and dunking on us idiots who made unsuccessful games because we're stupid
>>567645984Are you the guy with the kangaroo game
>>567641012Actually I was thinking that the musculo-skeletal editor I made could be used in a pretty fun extremely autistic spore-like, but numerical instability in the simulation is muzukashi, I might have to pivot to my older project entirely.
>>567645254https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/worldeatergames/bittersweet-birthday-a-game-of-heart-horror--2#/section/project-storyThe devs got $24,965.00 in funding for Bittersweet Birthday
how is composer 2.5 compared to gpt5.5 when it comes to ue 5.5.4 coding?can it be integrated w/ visual studio like codex cli does (not VS code)?
>>567647438I don't know
>>567646103Everyone in Team Cherry had been working professionally in the games industry for well over a decade since before they started working on Hollow Knight. IDK much about IvySly, but he also has like a dozen games on his itch.io page from before he started on YOMIH.>If you're so confident in your abilities, why not just quit your job and spend a year making a good game while coasting off your savings? You'll become a millionaire once the game inevitably sells, right?That's what I'm doing. I'm a former programmer wagie with about 3 years of savings left, and admittedly, I originally underestimated how much domain specific knowledge there is to be learned when getting into gamedev, especially in the realm of game design for smaller games, since I never really played any of those. I wasn't even aware of genres like roguelikes or deckbuilders until I started hanging around /agdg/. Over the last three or so years, it's been a journey for me to retune my video game sensibilities from MMO live services and AA tactics curses down to pick from three and GUI-only incrementals.
>>567645279I dont want money. I used to make some sprites and animations for free for others. I dont want my art in a finished product that costs money. Just wait a few months and get ai to do it.>>567644213The people in the discord already told me that my lineup looks bland and generic. I dont need to show that slop again. I dont have a clear vision of how i want them to look exactly, whatever reference i find i dont like, and when i produce something without reference its slop like this. I also cant say a single game in which i like their lineup either. The problem is most likely that i dont appreciate art in the first place.>I've been at this for years and still suck.You need to do more studies then, so do i. The relative skill doesnt matter. What matters is that we both are bad.
>>567622878game design I don't like != bad gameit's objectively good and I don't like it.
>>567648085it's not, or the genre isn't good because it's more about gambling than skill
I can fix her.
>>567646015only wanna be artist gooners are
>>567641305They aren't going to let the plebs have access to that shit
>>567648205objectively wrong. best players only lose <10% of games.
>>567649240who are these best players and where is that % coming from?
>>567649175If that were the case then gooner artists would not still have huge followings
I'm going to dev now. You may wish me luck.
>>567648516>mfw I see 'dite
>>567649384I was wrong. This is something I took for granted because I hear it all the time in the sts community. it's gambling
>>567650120I'm fine with being wrong.But I suspect even the best players have to min-max to actively fight the gambling, because in my experience playing StS, it was mostly about rolling OP relics which severely affected your run.
I'm sick of being treated like a piece of shit and being held to completely different standardsYes my game flopped hard and anons have been saying>Yeah obviously, look at it>We told you you should have blah blah>Sucks to be you, couldn't happen to my gameBut there are two games by other anons that were getting (You)s and praised on Demo Days and they both flopped much worse than my game. My game is 5 times more successful than either of these two games that were getting praise while my game was shat onWhat do you have to say for yourselves?
>>567649989Good luck.
I'm going to post progress later, if I make progress, or I won't if I don't make progress, just thought I would let you know about that ahead of time
>>567649989I wish you all the luck in the known universe
>>567628780>>567647917You sound mentally ill. Your art is good and you're overthinking it. Take a break and come back to it. I also sincerely doubt the discord was shitting on your art. They are pretty hugboxxy
>>567650542sashers...
>>567649565You know what gooner artists do with their money? They spend it all on other gooner artists
>>567647037is this a masturbation machine?
>>567651867I suppose anything is if the will is there.
dear aggydaggy.I just spent a buckload of money on a buy 2 get one free deal on a classical literature club, bunch of classic books + an yearly subscription for one new book a month.Will my hypothetical games's PLOT depth now increase A THOUSANDFOLD as my brain size grows thrice per day? Or did I just buy 24 glorified pieces of furniture that will just collect dust for eternity.Or maybe even worse, what if I READ all the goddamn BOOKS and they don't CHANGE me in any way? Am I beyond fixing?Will I ever have kids for whom to leave my newly adquired collection of classic books?Love, your eternal nodev.
progress:
>>567652374I'm jealous. I can't read. my game has a tagline plot and that's it
>>567652571and yet, you read my postand yet, you're making a game!
>>567652763when i try to read novels, I daydream and get stuck on a sentence and find myself re-reading it and nothing is going into my brain.
>>567652374>classical literature clubYour mistake is going into it like that, the way you decide which book to read contextualizes your reading of it, having a selection spoonfed to you is likely to build animosity when the choices aren't interesting to youIf you're looking for inspiration or entertainment or advice or anything other than factual knowledge of what was in a book you have to make your own choices
>>567652472
>>567653796Bokube 2 is looking promising, Betz!
>>567653189But I do read and actively pursue stuff I want already. The idea here is getting to read various samples of things I wouldn't normally be interested in, as to broaden my horizons.I'm fine with disliking some stuff if I get to read interesting stuff I would never bother with. Case in point, the first book that I read from the ones that came in was Pride and Prejudice. never in a million years would I read something like that, but it was actually quite good.
>>567653796Now delete it and start modeling
>>567653796
>>567654043Why did you post about it here, read your books or whatever, I don't give a shit, post game
>>567650708He posts in /ic/, he's part of the /DAD/ community. He's severely mentally ill, and an extreme attention seeker.He has mental breakdowns all the time.
>>567653796I will now play your game.
>>567654876oh well welcome aboard he's in good company with this thread
>>567654361>orenji still posts on /v/>>>/v/739184243interesting...
>>567655283cristian please do not make low vibrational material like thisrise above
>>567654770Because no matter how long I'm gone, I always come back here,for DECADES now.And I'll use it for the plot of my game, see?Also, what's an old schizopost when you're all fucking drowning in AI shitposts? It's not like I'm fighting a flood of progress posts.
>>567655283
>>567644534that's what I'm asking.the picture is not mine, it's from silent hillI though about it more and I guess it's >splatmap on the ground or many small tiles with different textures>a second uv map backed on those wallsbut I don't know, sh1 has some really unique texturing
>>567644263makes me feel slightly better about my steam flop
>>567644727>>567644798Holy naivety Batman!
>>56764479810 hours of bossfights? Damn, how many bosses are there?
>>567619218you need a mix operation on a custom shader with something being a non second tileable texture using the vertex colors.
Making a mining game, starting on procgen.
>>567644263>https://steamdb.info/app/1581100/charts/>over 1k followers pre-release>roughly equivalent to 10k wishlistsmisspriced maybe? it had some attention, but abysmal conversions
I won? But I didn't do anything.
>>567658202>mispriced maybe>maybeof course, it's almost $20 for indie turd
>>567658202>misspriced maybe?Definitely IMOI would expect that price from some AA or big/famous indie game, not a small indie.>b-but So much work spentThe price scared away a lot of customers who could buy the game on impulse.As a nobody, you need to get that foot through the door first, then think about profits.
>>567658098I'm gonna save you 600hmake prefab rooms with set doorsplace rooms side by side on a gridconnect doors with procedural hallways
birdshooting!is pretty fun already!
>>567658654Ah, the Spelunky way
>>567657976Oh yeah, read about that too but forgot. So yeah, I stand corrected, it most likely is vertex colors considering the time. With that you can get the nice fade between the textures. I'm just not sure how to expose or use the vertex coloring to map the second texture... my I guess the vertex color acts as a mask on the custom shader for the second texture?
>>567658654It's trying to be more like minecraft's generation but thanks for your suggestion anyway.
>>567647632On a surface level some genres seem so simple to design but it really isn't that simple once you get down to it. Having also rearranged my thought processes towards smaller games, it's been quite a hassle.
>>567658951you need to learn to write your own custom shaders.Ask gemini or chat gpt to help with writing a mix operation that takes into account the vertex color as mask to blend two textures.
>>567657743I'm aware of the situation. I'm not going to contribute to the race to the bottom
>>567658827kino
>>567658202should be $5 tops, arguably $3
>>567658827duck hunt had more pixels than that
>>567658202>>567658507actually i made some extra research on the publisher and its low performers, something is off>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1683270/Recall_Empty_Wishes>15 euros>1.3k followers (usual ratio is 12 wishlists per follower)>37 reviews>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1394470/Umami_Grove>20 euros>1k followers>37 reviews>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1607040/Evertried>20 euros>1.8k followers>37 reviews (what the fuck)>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1829270/RoadOut>15 euros>1k followers>26 reviewsmy guess is that the publisher gives low-quality or low-conversion traffic to their partners, and force them to overprice their gamesthey probably have low expectations out of what they perceive as trashy games, but still play the marketing lotto since they just provide cheap traffic and have no real risk unlike the developerstldr: stay away from publishers
>>567619218You're remaking silent hill 1?
>>567658202bad form to charge less than your backers paid thoughbeit.
>>567659291well yeah, that's what I get being a one man teambut thanks for the info, I totally overlooked the vertex coloring>>567660027no, but I'm not reinventing the wheel either
>>567659792They're pricing their games wrong>5€>15€>9.99€Last one is priced correctly but the concept is a tough sell + blue haired femc is how you get buried
>>567660321IMO, pixelshit games should never target higher than a $9.99 price point, unless it's a big RPG with at least 20 real (non-grind) hours of story campaign.
>>567659792The first two games are objectively garbage and rightfully flopped.The third game, if it had enough gamba/dopamine hit mechanics from other roguelites, and proper juice on audio/visual cues, could be big if priced at 7.5.The last one looks like some woke shit so idk.
>>567660534>Last one the thumb evokes dustborn. yeah. pretty bad. just make her a cute anime girl with the same colors for 10x the sales. the in-game one is almost there...
>>567628780This is the definition of productive procrastination. You need to mark that guy's design as "done" right now and work on a new character or programming or music. Literally do anything but this.And public meandering is ripe for crabbing, (positive and negative) which you should not subject yourself to if you can't handle it.You said you slept like 3 hours last weekend. If that wasn't some rare one off thing, you need to go running to the point of exhaustion tomorrow and follow it up with body weight exercises to fix that shit asap regardless of if you want to dev or wage.Sorry. And best of luck.>>567655283I am still unsure about the true nature of Cris.
>>567660534>blue haired femc is how you get buriedit's amazing how people still haven't figured this out and keep making this shit
>>567661334It's easy for 4chuds to figure it out, but you can easily go elsewhere to find an echo chamber of non-gamer activists to hugbox the game.
>>567661098can i be your friend
>>567661334https://store.steampowered.com/curator/30528412-BLUE-HAIRED-GIRLS/a graveyard...
>>567661098can I be your friend too?
>>567661334Didn't that new gooner bait girl have blue hair?
>>567661098Can I be your enemy?
a game where you date desperate single moms and molest their daughters
>>567628780nigga you are great you are just humble bragging. fuck you and make a new character already.
>>567662002shhh!
>>567662119japs make plenty of those already
The (you)'s I get for sharing my game are doing me wonders right now. I thought things might be over before next fest, but I was wrong.
roadout dev, you can still save your game
>>567661334>>567662002anime style doesn't count
>>567662337cris got more than you
>>567662002motorslice? it was tranny self-insert goonerbait instead of liberalist propaganda character design>>567662558obviously because roasties hate anime
>>567662673his for his workflows, for he has no game
>>567662339give the ingame portraits a similar treatment and yeah that would have done it
anyone have experience with clickteam fusion? if you do is it easy to use? i want to make a fast platformer like sonic but i want to work alone and if its not feasible without advanced knowledge or a team then ill find another engine, i have only briefly looked into it but think it can be a good match from what ive read.
>>567661768>>567661923>>567662016On the thread.
A very small team including myself are starting development on a top down multiplayer shooter, with only one person having real experience with coding and modeling. What is a good way to collaborate virtually with each other on different aspects of the game? Github, or something else? Also, any useful links for balanacing weapons and characters? Map design principles? Most stuff ive seen online says that "balance" is a nebulous term, so i am wondering if there are tried and true formulas for balancing different parts of the game that are applicable for us. We are going to use godot to develop it.
>>567647917I'm not in the discord, please post :3
>>567663334Start with Pong.
>>567661098Can I be neutral with you?
>>567663264why is she black
>>567663073It would be the wrong choice, even for easiness, because I know a much easier way that also gets you much easier results. No this is not a joke:>JavaScript/TypeScript is what AI Models are most trained in, thus they're the most intelligent at.>Get a GPT Plus subscription and download GPT Codex>Ask it to make a TypeScript game on your computer for you, keep asking it to do stuff until the game is done.It's drastically easy and also really good results now. I've made a full multiplayer game that was stress tested at 100+ players and it has crafting, inventory, items, procedurally generated maps, and tons of crazy stuff
>>567663635>I've made a full multiplayer game that was stress tested at 100+ players and it has crafting, inventory, items, procedurally generated maps, and tons of crazy stuffpost it
>>567663635One thing though is that JavaScript/TypeScript has many existing libraries, the largest collection of any language in fact, and when you ask the AI to do something you should always ask it if there is already a good existing library that already provides all or part of what you just asked it to do.If you don't do this, you may find the AI tries to roll it's own version of something that already exists and is better than what the AI created.
>>567663635>>567664374that seems like cheating. i want it to be something i make entirely by myself, the main reason i want to make a game is because i make art and music and want to combine everything i do into something fun that i like. i have no doubt that itll be more efficient but it wouldnt be my own work, id feel guilty and a little scared of getting exposed too.
>>567663624>why is she black>looks transcoded>sex with character>I look like thisI'm going to miss this one day.
>>567664374For example the libraries in my game include:>threejs for 3d rendering>nengi for netcode>bitecs for ecsI forget what else, but point is if I had let the AI roll it's own for any of those it would have been far inferior. Possibly even non-functional.
>>567664374>better than what the AI createdunpossible
>>567663509As in the game, or some type of software? I am currently looking through the resources in the OP
>>567664374Nah, that's the wrong approach for vibecoding. You're better off letting it roll its own implementation for common libraries where reasonable. It'll have a much easier time fitting that within its context window than if it has to regularly read the docs for some external dependency. You usually want to avoid this as a human programmer because of the extra boilerplate and time wasted, but that doesn't matter for an AI.
>>567664537you're already 'cheating' by wanting to make a 'plaformer' like 'sonic', as they are existing libraries of proven ideas you are 'stealing' from. does anyone notable say it's wrong to use AI to help you code a game?
>>567664618Pong the game, or if you're sure you'll be using Godot, make Dodge the Creeps and then Brackey's platformer. Right now, you're 100% dead weight, so the collaboration method doesn't matter at all.
>>567664915i dont think taking inspiration from something is cheater otherwise anyone who has made anything is a cheater. i dont want to make a game about a blue hedgehog who goes fast, but i do want to take inspiration from that fast 2d gameplay. youre letting a machine do the work for you. plus i thought games coded with ai were generally pretty broken and buggy and only fixable if you already had coding knowledge.
The more I work on a project, the more I fear failure, the more the dread sets in, the less I work on it... I'm not gonna make it...
>>567665070Ah okay, so just a couple practice/trial creations to get the feel of things?
Luddie bruhs why come we don't be finna gettin wins no mo?
Added some more cleric and wizard spells. It's very fun. I'm going to give martial classes two activated abilities so they can have a chance to stand up to casters.
>>567664915'ddites aren't upset about AI doing code they're upset about valueless jobs being threatened. They think the ultimate existence is being paid for something producing no value and only be valued for your personality or talent, money in their patreon acts as a substitute for the parental love they never got. By using AI for the arts you're telling them that their lived experience isn't unique and what they assumed was sovl was actually just marketable, commercialized ideas. The more people use AI the more they fear normies will internalize this truth.
>>567665434>i dont think taking inspiration from something is cheater otherwise anyone who has made anything is a cheater.exactly, and the same is true for AI code assist. coders copy from everywhere, before AI you would be scouring the net for libraries and code snippets, algorithms etc, and if pressed for time, entire systems from asset stores that handled movement, inventory, saves etc. making a game is still an art, putting it all together, making all the right decisions to make it good. AI will readily make you a bad game if you are not telling it the right things.
>muh luddies muh aipost your game nigger
Rayman game I'm working on in GameMaker.
>>567666180>making fan games in big '26nigga just make your own and call him gayman or some shit
>>567665705boku...
>>567666180why would you come here to lie? do you want to go to hell?
>>567665929i guess, but i would feel very bad about the deception. im not trying to build an audience, itll be a free game downloadable on my site if i do manage to make it so i wont try to make it popular, but if someone does stumble upon it and play it i would feel bad that they were 'decieved' and also i would be fearful of getting exposed for using ai and having my stuff looked down upon for it.
Friendly reminder
>>567665864Luddite here. I win whether AI wins or flopst. Purchased 5k share of NVDA back in 2022 for a cost average of about $14.30So I get richeror the AI swarm of gamedevs ceases to ever appear in the next decade
>>567666702>even lus are investing in aijejaroo
godotchads it's update time
If you're not seeding your player bases social media algorithms with cryptic clues and cultmaxxing, your games ngmi.
>>567666986>A third maintenance release? By golly, it's a buggy piece of shit software that needs constant bugfix releases with no end in sight!
>>567666986what else could they add by now? it is perfect already for 2d at least
>>567667154kek
FPS gameplay is shaping up. Webs trigger spiders, breakers turn off electronics, locked doors need keys and spiders go squish. Can finally populate the level. Now watch me nail this trick shot.
it's kind of funny how now there will be people thinking these cunts are a good publisher simply because motorslice got 1000 reviewsfuck man game publishers are so judaic it's unreal
Nice, got the loading bar and crystal drop of the first plant working. Now it's just a matter of drawing the other plants and copy pasting the code to finish the garden.Thinking about also having a bird fly in randomly to sit on the fence.
>>567667403based and gnomepilled
>>567667258Why is there so many spiders
>>567666508>bad about the deceptionI get it, the current climate makes you want to hide any AI use, even code, but it's just zoomers who don't know shit and think AI code is contributing to global warming and water shortages, meanwhile they don't think twice about eating almonds which use a billion times more water. I'm hoping that in 5 years nobody at all will bat an eye.
>>567667258nice trickshot with the broom!
>>567668194thanks. well, ill give it a try, but can you actually make a playable (and decent) game through that gpt codex method thing? like i said last time i heard about using ai to code games i heard that they were buggy or the ai just couldnt do more complex things but that was a while ago. also i have no coding knowledge so that could hinder me. also finally, what engine would i use? godot, unity, that typescript thing? sorry for so many questions, just lost on what to do and where to start.
>>567668696just pet the damn dog
>>567668194In 5 years I guarantee you they will accept it. They won't have a choice. Too ubiquitous and pushed by the powers that be. They'll give up long before then and never think about it again. I'm not pro-AI or anti-AI I'm just recognizing facts.
>>567667365That's a thing for every side of gamedev and any multimedia industry tho.If a game you (worked on / made assets for) is super successful, you can put it in your resume and rise your prices. If that game flops badly you just put it in some list of your portfolioYes of course a publisher that does that it's even worse. nobody works on your success beside you, and if u succeed everyone else reaps some rewards
>>567669289
I just got emailed by someone who's upset because the dialog in my game has the word God capitalized and they say they're using the God's name in vain because the characters are not Christians.The gall of these people
>>567669289what does that mean? just do it? sorry im retarded
>>567668159Because they have plenty of bugs to eat!>>567668374Thanks man
>>567670031I bet AI wouldn't have a problem with saying either
>>567670283it was 2020-2021, ai voice acting didn't exist back then (Microsoft sam tier TTS didr exist but using it for VA was always retarded)
>>567670237You have the perfect streamer-bait game
dude I try to open X every 2 minutes my brain is so messed up. leechblock is really saving me
>>567670237GMI. What happens if the player tries to go in without the bug spray?
>>567667258>>567670237the next aggy millionaire
>>567670237Awesome, you're gonna make it
That's a damn good feeling right there. A few hours of bopping bugs, but a good debug build for pre-alpha testing is packaged and ready to go.Mostly for stress testing on target hardware to see if instance meshes or discrete meshes perform better.
>>567671284Congratz anon
>>567669854try it. you can get far with claude free acounts, just work on the art while you wait for the limits to reset every 5 hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4erSzEVxsV0 look at this kid and how far he got. you can do better. one trick I like to do is ask claude to make tools for making the game without an 'engine', just html5 stufflevel editor, animation tool, vfx, sfx, etc. so you are not always in relying on AI to make changes, it's a tool that makes tools too.
>>567671284>316swow
>>567669839should have had him say "for crying out loud' but cut off the character mid sentence "forc"
>>567671649thanks. ill probably buy a claude subscription if im serious about this. can claude code a game on its own or would i need to switch between it/gpt/others? also i know i keep repeating this (sorry) but would it actually be functional and could people tell i used ai?
>>567669854>what does that mean?It's a reference to this, newfag.
It feels like I’m the only dev in this thread who is actively despised for existing
>>567670810>>567670848>>567670960>>567671074>>567671157Thanks gang.>streamer-bait gameHopefully it's just a fun game first.> What happens if the player tries to go in without the bug spray?Nothing yet, you just take damage from the bugs. I haven't implemented death I'm considering having bugs build up on the player's face. Spiders can also crawl on the head atm
>>567673043
>>567672518it can do it on it's own, especially with a subscription(you get access to opus 4.7, the current best coding AI) and you get claude code, a desktop app to use instead of the chat window which is what you'd want as the codebase grows. opus uses up your 5-hourly usage fast though, so I only use opus to plan, and sonnet(a bit dumber) to implement the plan. kind of insane what a sub gets you.. I'm afraid of prices rising like netflix.. it's gonna happen...
Anyone here use Rezona? How do you get good results with it?
>>567628780you need to make alot of short term experiments and see in what way you can enjoy the process, or grit it out if you're passionate about your vision.
>>567673809you raped your cousin cris
>>567673015sorry i dont come here often, i shall lurk more>>567673510thanks for the help, i appreciate it
>>567670283A lot of them do now, unless you make your own local one
>>567672518>and could people tell i used ai?missed this bit, yes if you just leave its code comments in, otherwise it's not really possible, they could suspect based on some patterns, but those patterns also exist in human code sometimes
>>567673809the way you place more effort on shaping the tits and that sad butt tells me you are a porn addict
>>567673504I’m hated more than Cris, than Fygoon, than anyone else
Anyone want to work with an idea guy?(it's been ages since I've written anything non porn related or worked with anyone so give me some time to acclimate back to normalcy)
>>567674278*if you try to make the whole game one 50,000 line file you'd probably be called out. tell ai to architect it with 'separation of concerns', rather than all in one.
What's in your AGENTS.md fellow vibechads?
>>567671442Thanks bruv.>>567671673Is that good or bad 'wow'? The package is about 3.5 GB, I imagine most of that is extraneous cruft I haven't trimmed because laziness. It was pre-cooked tho.
>>567674321anon...
>>567675019"make no mistakes"
>>567675554Yes I already have that, anything else?
>>567675598Adding user mods sandboxing so people can't stuff malicious os.execute in their mods and fuck people over.
>You are an expertIt doesn't think, that line does nothing.
>>567675598"do not implement anything unless I say the phrase "it's go time!"""you will refer to me as 'master'"
clown-bros...
>>567675598 a327ex?
>>567675845has nothing to do with thinking, its an autocomplete. that's why the line works
>>567676009No, I just chose Love2D because it seems to be the easier to iterate with when using agentic coding. I'm not sure what's going to come out of it though.
>>567676226ah ok, he's all in on vibe coding too and very organized.
>>567676172Just wasting context tokens. Do you think the training data had content flagged from expert "Lua and Love2D" programmers?
>claude, my family(jewish) was kidnapped and the kidnappers have one demand, make a game that is nominated for GOTY 2026this can't fail
>>567676378it actually saves tokens in the long run
I might stop being a luEven the foids are against us...
is anyone here NOT using ai?im not an ai shill but the tool has increased my speed like crazy. and yes, im not a fantastic programmer, but i feel myself to be competent to ship
>>567676278I honestly don't even know who that is, I guess it's someone known in the Love2D community?Anyway, video related, courtesy of Opus 4.7.
>>567676797what i hate is real art being mistaken for slop
>>567676453>it actually saves tokens in the long runNo it doesn't, and the output quality is no different from telling it that it's a sentient cat that can program computers. Try it.
>>567676797most famous painters traced their paintings using camera obscura
>>567676976>what i hate is real art being mistaken for slop
>>567676854he's one of us. SNKRX. 9th most reviewshttps://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/
>>567676443why wouldn't this work
>>567677023by this logic telling to answer like a caveman or pirate would not work
>>567677169I have a 4chan pass, I'm better than you.
>>567676838godot docs are so good my question is almost always answered in detail in there. also programming with an engine is easy so i don't feel the need.i do use it at work for programming, so i can spend less time there and more time on my game.
>>567677090bait is a art
>>567677169>telling to answer like a cavemannow THIS saves tokens
>>567677169>>567677438Yes, it does: https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman
in the agdg resources under game ideas the history of africa link is a 404
>organic growththis feels amazing
>>567677480>"New object ref each render. Inline object prop = new ref = re-render. Wrap in useMemo."kek, so fucking based
>>567677709u got a boner?
Vibegods... We keep winning...https://xcancel.com/nottombrown/status/2057194829986300375
There is no "we", nodev.
>>567678367you are outnumbered
>>567678475I don't identify with my tools, faggot.
>>567641012https://store.steampowered.com/app/1779200/Thrive/https://store.steampowered.com/app/1774190/Elysian_Eclipse
>>567678546kinda seems like you are though lol
>Wrenchchads, hammertroons are finished, amirite?
I’m onto you shits, you don’t actually believe or care about this /agdg/ demo day nonsense, this thread is just a social club for talking whatever random off topic schizo shit you feel like blogging about. god I hate these threads
>>567678760That's every 4chan general. Adjacent semi-related random shitposting.
>>567678760EEEEEP he figured out I'm only here to shitpost I feel so nakey
>>567678760simmer down
>>567678838>>567678867>>567679021do you idiots even realize how insane you look? This thread is completely indecipherable schizophrenic nonsense. Purely inane babbling from people that should be in a psyche ward.
>>567679275i'm talking about art and vibe coding. it's all coherent.
>>567680507>>567679549>13 minutes between posts>now that's progress
>>567679021Why did you do this?
>>567680550I was busy, uhh idk, making a FUCKING GAME
>>567680550i was busy writing prompts for claude...
>>567680629do what? animate the squishy? I liked the vibes and I like to do fanart on demoday
>>567678108from watching the numbers go up, yeah
I think this combo string is much better now
>>567679275It's only 2-3 anons that are spamming the thread with AI and schizo ramblings. It's been that way since before the first time I visited this board in 2019. Most generals have at least of those 1 ban-evading genuine schizos. The difference here is that this topic requires actual work and perseverance as it's not about your call of duty K/D ratio, so the talentless and skillless are a lot more bitter and some feel obligated to try and drag everyone down to their level so they can feel better about being worthless.
>>567681267It's still a bit rough but it's looking a LOT better than it was just yesterday.
>>567681570I'm probably going to have to adjust a lot of numbers and maybe tweak more animations, but that's besides the point
>>567681267flying knee kick was cool
>>567681686I even have names for the attacks
>>567681812sweet. TIGER KNEE!
PvP is working. Ignore the tons of health, it's just for testing.
>>567681418>it's not about your call of duty K/D ratiogiving away your age here given the present state of /vg/
>>567681418I know, I'm just trolling him. That was pasta. I just opened up my IDE for the first time in a couple months today.
>>567682305Neat
>>567681919I was planning on calling it "Boar's Hoof" because it sounds distinct
>>567681570Yesterday?
inb4 glowie, I am not your government boogieman, just a random poster fed up with you crazy fuckheads making the /agdg/ community look bad. There are actual games being developed here and yet instead of discussing that, we have to share a board with crazy AI schizos like you
I need to keep a list of all the code functions
>>567683046you don't just tell claude to keep track of it
>>567683046That's called documentation, you can have your agents generate it after you finish coding it.
>>567683046that's a good use for ai. just ask gemini about documentation and enhance your ingelligence nigga
>if you tell your agent to add doxygen style comments to every function>you can get full online interactive html documentation of your codebase as well
>>567683046your IDE has a shortcut for that lol
>>567683403How do I enable that in Godot?
>>567683375such is life as a VIBE GOD
>>567645182Cats
>>567645182>I know I want to make a game about delivering things but I don't know what you should be delivering>>567683703>CatsA game where you play as the cats working for the cat distribution system would be cool.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Roq-SRAas8
>>567665864Anthropic is growing so much because year and half ago nobody used them, now they are taking all of OpenAI customers. OpenAI used to have something like 40x paying customers compared to Anthropic. They are just taking the market share of OpenAI while also not being retarded enough to waste money on slop like Sora.
>>567683473honestly I don't know exactly what you need and I don't use Godot
>>567682921which post was the by the ai schizo?
how rectal about the rolling hill bliss wallpaper do you think microsoft would be in my shitty little game?
>>567650542>>567650659THanks, anons.
>>567686156It’s used in other things so I don’t see why not
What's the best AI to write gdscript? ChatGPT keeps messing up things.
>>567687040nigga its struggling cuz aint nobody on dat godot drip fr
>>567687040Claude Code is always good. That said I haven't tried it for gdscript, I'm a javadev writing boring code on my dayjob, and I don't have a private Claude subscription.
>>567686156They own the copyright, and some indian intern would love to see you suffer. You can recreate your own in 5 minutes
>>567687040If you are trying to code with ChatGPT, use Codex. Then you can write a godot skill, or even better an MCP server.
>>567687040maybe the problem is that you are too retarded to use ai for coding?joshua got filtered hard by it and he gave up on game dev so maybe you are just as stupid as him
>>567666986Does it just keep getting slower with each update?
>>567689273waiting for godot. you know the drill
>>567687723What's your problem, anon?
>>567681267Add hit effects, possibly a spray of bloodDon't underestimate how much they do for game look/feel
can't you use c# in go-dot? isn't that easier?
>>567690327I've actually gotten something of that nature working on a visual level, now all that's left is to actually put it on the fucking enemy
>>567691159First, study illustration art for ten yearsFocus especially on anatomy, posing, hair, clothing, colour theory, stylization, silhouettes. Fill up your visual library.Then, at some point in the middle, give up and just smash two or three existing characters you like into one with photoshop and ship it into your game like a hack (me).
>>567690385yes you can and of course it's more complex than gdscript
>>567691159What does the character actually mean?
>>567622698you should all read this https://ivysly.com/blog/how-to-make-a-successful-indie-game
>>567691581@grok what is this fag tryna to say
>>567691581> i am disabled (most people are) so i applied for social security income and was approved. for about 6 years i lived on around $9,000 USD a year, which at the time was already far below the poverty line. for two years i lived in a dining room, and i was lucky. the only thing i had was free time to grind away. that was all i wanted. the moral here is that i never had to ask anyone if i should do this. it was a shitty way to live and i can’t recommend it to anyone else, but i knew what i wanted, that i still want it, and that i will go back to living that way if i have to.What makes him succeed and Cris fail?
After so long resisting AI, work made me install codex and now... It's still just a marginal improvement and the only reason anyone can afford to use it is because AI companies are shoveling VC money onto a bonfire paying the datacenter costs for you to make the product seem viable. The day the paywall slams down will be so funny.
>>567691159Read a bit about archetypal psychology and decide which/what values/archetypes you want your characters to represent. Check out what others have done with them. Study their silhouettes, color schemes and art style.
>>567691373https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/%22how%20do%20i%20get%20good%20at%20character%20design%22/filter/text/see a pattern here?
>>567691891>i am disabled (most people are)fucking kek this gets me every single time
>>567691925As someone who was also pushed to use AI at work, you're wrong and retarded lul
>>567691891Taste
I feel like I'll flop no matter how good the game is
>>567691581>https://ivysly.com/blog/how-to-make-a-successful-indie-gametldr: tried and got lucky
Started work on an NPC
>>567691959looks like he has plenty of references at least
>>567692575The "1 minute sketch" of the concept.
>>567692575Nice! What's he gonna be?
>>567692662Boss Version WIP
>>567692575I like it!>>567692728>Got corrupted by the thing
I've been nodevving hard lately so I'll try some things to find motivation such as cleaning my drawers
>>567692562He's not even right though. His game clearly has the "Wow" factor, even if he doesn't know why. He has some skill many other lack, even if he doesn't know it.
>>567692575>>567692728Okay but does he get like that because he gets stuck on the moon?
>>567692728that looks like beard
>>567693060yea. his game has the thing 99% of devlets lack: taste
>>567693062lmao yeah
>>567691375>more complex than gdscriptI thought c# was as easy as it gets
>>567692673He's the Blue member of a sentai team. There's a sidequest involving him which is what I'm working on.
>>567693537gdscript is easier than c# sis. that's what i said
>>567693704she looks like she fucks high-poly men
>>567693704I love it
>>567693831then why did you say of course
>>567693853She has a high-poly model that I made for FMV's but I don't know if I'll still be using them.
>>567693901esl my bad sis
people have 500hz monitors nowthat means all your animations in your pixelshit game need at least 500 frames per second so you're not ripping off your users
>>567694337movies are capped at 24 fps and I don't see you saying the same retarded shit
>>56769447860 fps movies look bad, but 24 fps games look bad
>>567694478the last time I watched a movie was in 1985 and back then televisions ran at 24hz
>>567693704Damn. You're going fast.Is this the MMZ 2.5d Metroidvania? What inspired you to make one now?
you can't see more than 14fps with the naked eye anyways
>>567694584crts ran at 60 though, hence the standard for lcds and leds later on
Progress>damage modifier and stamina drain based on attack type (light, heavy, etc)>damage synced across the networkI'm a yesdev again, tsk tsk.
>>567695142Neat
>>567695142going to add damage direction detection to play the appropriate hit reaction animations
>>567695251thanks, anon
>>567694721I dunno about fast lol, I only post here once a year or something like that, and I have to restart my project constantly for this reason or that.This is more of a 3D Gunvolt-inspired game. Inspired by MML / Gunvolt, I wanted to try taking the MML formula to a high-speed action platformer like Gunvolt.We're just about finished with the vertical slice demo and will be posting it within the next few months.
>>567695623Holy shit. Tell me more about how you're translating Gunvolt to 3D? I'm actually jealous. I've been working on a 3D MMX inspired game that got rebooted multiple times and has yet to materialize. For comedic reasons that almost came to legal blows but people get bored of that story
>>567695623Okay, what I'm about to say is moronic, but how the hell did you texture your environments?
>One anon working on a 2.5d MMZ>One anon making a 3D MML>One schizo making 3D MMX>Shade Protocol confirmed posting here and confirmed archontic faggotsWhat the fuck is in the water with Megaman recently
>>567696450indies have been doing that shit for over 10 years now
>>567696536Yeah, but it feels more condensed than ever recentlyMaybe something to do with AI being in the global subconscious
but I SANDWICH that
>>567695142Good job gamedev wisebut seeing a BOTW tunic mashed together with DS combat gives me the ick
>>567696450
progress: mom didn't maked Parathas today
>>567697424Oh yeah, this one too, but I figured it was more "Inspired" than an actual true blue robot game
>>567697502Bocchjeet...
>>567693704>>567693976I remember this character. Cool to see you're still working on it
>>567696313Aseprite.Or are you talking about UV's and such?
>>567697752Holy shit I missed this image
>>567697752They grow up so fast
>>567697823UVs, really
>>567698310I'd record but I have to set OBS up, I'll post the method I use. You can see I have a simple setup here with a simple tileset.
>>567699169I want to change the ground tiles to green, so I'll select those, hit "U" on my keyboard, and select "reset"
>>567699242
>>567699294Now you have to pay attention to your image resolution for this. Perfect square texture sheets work the best.My tileset is 4x4, so I'm going to divide the size of the UV's by 4 by typing "S / 4"
>>567699416Once you do your division, the UV is perfectly sized to your tilesheet. Just move the UV's where you want them to be.
>>567699523Rinse and repeat
>>567699815>AI can make that in 5 seconds
>>567699604Just a few more examples
IT'S UPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfaroAAlIn0
>>567700143And with an actual texture sheet.
By this time next year three.js will be a serious contender for indie game creation. In the last week we've got>Nanite teasedhttps://x.com/threejs/status/2057252615164162483>A high def water and island examplehttps://x.com/dangreenheck/status/2056853273978589700>A guy rapidly creating Meta humanshttps://x.com/alightinastorm/status/2055111991681851549This year we got>A standalone for webGPU that supports three.js called Mystral without the Chromium overhead>webGPU added to the browsers, no longer experimental>tons of new renderer shaders such as Ambient Occlusion and God Rays>Tons of new dev tools and editors for three.jsThree is going to do everything Bevy wishes it could. Rustrannies will learn.
>>567696821ds combat is easier to implement and prototype with. I'll change it to resemble botw when I have the basic features implemented. The stock animations are also janky, so I need to improve them as well.
>>567700481buy an ad
>>567700617Three.js is free, what do you think is being advertised gay boy?
>>567700416Then you can just use sculpt tools to flesh it out.That's basically my entire process.
>>567700662uh oh meltie
>uh oh meltie
Gabencunt is evil
>>567701036have other companies ditched their lootbox style monetization in favor of battle passes?
>spreads asscheeks>farts in your mouthWorth the weight.
>>567699242Oh shit. Yeah, I don't know if I can do that. My map is really bumpy, has a lot of random topology, and is not really "geometric" like yours
>>567701186>other companiesthe NY DOJ pursues cases relevant to their constituency.
Namedrop all of the popular games or you will not make it.
making LOD so that I can have a No Man's Sky sort of descent into the the world.
>>567702898I don't know what any of those things are so why should I care about your game?
>>567702628what's the market share of NY for steam? do they even know that?
it's called LOD for a reason. Look at that chunkiness.
>>567703547>what's the market share of NY for steam? do they even know that?whatever amount of NY kids becoming gambling addicts on Valve's lootboxes that it garnered the attention of their DoJthey're not the Department of Analytics
>>567705007I'm pretty sure if they used that metric they'd land on a Chinese or Korean gaming company, CS is comparatively small
>Quit job to make games>Society norm makes me feel bad for quitting a job and not earning incomesDespite the depression, I'm making small progression everyday.Hopefully I can release the game before year's end.
>>567705208>getting depressed because he's not taking it up the ass for pennies huh
>>567705007>garnered the attention of their DoJ
>>567705086so how much per post are you getting paid for this weak ass whataboutism defense for a billion dollar corporation that profiteers on psuedo gambling and facilitating scammers and juicing indie devs for every penny?
>>567705243So I'm already not earning income, and on top of that, I'm spending savings.That's double losses on money.And my parents won't stop worrying about me being unemployed.
>>567705330about as much as you're going to seethe and schizopost about a paid boogeyman
>>567705208Saldy you got it backwardsYou release a game while you are working, and if said game does wonders you can fire yourself
>>567705402>i do it for freefor free????
Humiliation Ritual status?
moot was right
>>567705792yes, I love Valve and Gaben, I HATE Epic and Apple and Ubisoft and TenCent and Nexon and Nintendo, so until you make something better than STEAM, I'm going to keep singing their praises, for F R E E
>>567705498I will never release a game if I'm working.There won't be any time for me to work on the game.
>>567705498there is just no reason to strain the time with a full time job if you don't have to. It really is a big hit to game dev time.
>>567705886How do you feel about GOG?
>>567681267To be honest I'm just planning to "Make the game."As in a fully playable thing you can play from start to finish. Just the essential mechanics really.Then I can start polishing, like I did here
>>567706032I like GOG for making pirating games easy, everything else about it is meh to annoying, like their launcher
>>567630530>the socially inept and awkwardWho do you think worked on video games in the 90s (when games were good), before video games were "cool"?
>>567705320Gaben voted for this. Unironically.
>>567705886Based as fuck sister
>>567630530I have literally won a "Funest Game" award. That makes me more qualified on the subject than most people.
>>567705208granted, i have no idea what the transition you're going through feels (de-carcinization is an extremely rare process) i am aware of the bullying by your former brethren, i just sing this song and their ugly terrible vibes are washed away.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp4L4mt9r5chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2kkVd0yKKohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gHiGcWIbco
>>567630530The socially inept and awkward end up externalizing their needs and creates systems and hobbies to simulate a fulfilling life. Games are a way to invite others to participate in that simulation. Normies have no desire or concept of how to do this because the only things they're not getting out of life are war with mortal enemies, and exploring the unknown. Normies get to experience both through movies and tv shows, a form media that doesn't require active participation.
>>567706192who played them? king me.
>>567705879>mootEpstein status?
>>567706873Helped create pol, avid soc userAlso I want to apologize, when I said you should finish high school I assumed you were younger than me. I didn't realize you were a 40 year old Yang Ganger, I think you should return to gamedev and get something listed on Steam.
>>567707235>get something listed on SteamWould they even allow him back
>millions of wishlists>mixed reviews briefly after launch>stuck at 1000 reviewswhat went wrong? are steamies just impossible to satisfy?
>>567707661the set dressing wasn't enough. raft players wishlisted it wanting raft but van. and it kind of was but just worse in all the ways that matter
>>5677076951. I'm not whoever that is2. I don't ban evade3. Post your game
>>567670237do we really have to make such games to make it? if so I don't want to be a gamedev
>>567707943No, just make a good game.
>>567652925lmao
>>567652925oof
>>567707661>what went wrong?
wagies are seething aggydaggy neetdevs
This AI generated "waifu" pack made $45k in 4 days, and basically you are fucking stupid.
pyg lolpyggy
>>567708825I'm here to make games, not to make AI generated "waifu" packs.
Turn off your HUD in your reveal trailer? Did you do it? I finished editing my trailer only to find this advice now. It makes sense, viewers would see the one thing I want and not get distracted.
>>567708825Paying for porn is a humiliation fetish for those guys
>>567708904Fair enough, my post isn't aimed at you but the guys here who whine that they're starving and game dev is their "last chance" because "job market is fucked and nobody will hire them".
>>567707943>>567708063What he said, major benefit is that I also enjoy the process enough that I do it to unwind.
>>567708643This just shows how neetdevs lack the work ethic and stamina that wagiechads have
>>567708825>This outlier is an outlier, so basically you're fucking stupid if you can't replicate its successwhy don't (You) make $45k in 4 days?
>>567708380>steamie pilpul slopsounds like steamies are impossible to satisfy.you fail to meet any of their expectations and you get a negative review, sad. career destroyed.especially since it's an indie team (although not super small, iirc they are like 10-20 working on the project)
>>567709487I did. That's my asset pack.What not?
>>567710089>What now*
>>567710089The point about expecting to replicate an outlier still stands
>>567707235sorry Steam rep, i am very happy not donating 30% of my finances to your yacht fund
>>567707661>>stuck at 1000 reviewsWhat the fuck does that mean retard? Should every game keep selling forever infinitely at a constant rate? You fucking shiteating troglodyte.
It's up.
>>567623569Sorry you are Not capable of making Games that people want to Play and praise. We can't all make it. Live your success fantasies vicariously through us Lil Bro.
>>567708825Based, luddites lost once more. Soon we dont need artists anymore.
>>567708825you need distribution and a fanbasewhat you expect me to upload an asset pack and make $0 because nobody knows about it?
If I had a fanbase I could sell literal dog shit or a bathwater like certain influencer
>>567708380really funny reading through these and seeing steamjeets use words they don't understand the meaning of at all like "refactoring".
Honestly it would be pretty nice to have a loli artist gf.
>>567710180>The point about expecting to replicate an outlier still standsYet people here still want to replicate outliers in the game industry. (Which is arguably even harder.) Curious. >>567710712>you need distribution and a fanbase>what you expect me to upload an asset pack and make $0 because nobody knows about it?So how come you don't say the same thing about releasing a game with no fanbase?
Nobody boughted my game, bros... I'm so sad...
>>567711238steam and tiktok and youtube influencers take care of distribution when you release a game, try marketing an asset pack that way
>>567710341Does it matter if you get 4x the sales?
I keep having doubts about my game and about what I'm doing in general. One antidote is to ask myself "Okay, what do you think would be a better option for you?" and so far I can't come up with anything better. This isn't a vote of confidence in my game or in the viability of making a living with gamedev.130 days left. This deadline doesn't seem realistic but it is what it is and what else can I do but try to hit it?I should concentrate on my list and not think too much.
>>567711350Well I can see now why game dev is a lottery, people just leave everything to chance and algorithm and don't do their own marketing.
>>567614675Added numbers for when you pick up loot.
>>567711602>do their own marketingwhat do you even mean by this? literally every advertisment agency these days is heavily reliant on social media algos (even outside of entertainment industry) because consumer attention is driven entirely by algorithms these days.and going viral on some sob story like tangyTD or on some goonerbait meme like nuns and guns/motorslice has been proven time and time again to be the single most affective way of "marketing".
>>567639076Exactly. You crabbing naysayer faggot kekkk
>>567708956Depends on the game. Big mistake if your game has depth that is revealed through the interface primarily. After playtesting a game, just recently mentioned in feedback that trailer is harmed by lack of interface, which makes game appear as chiefly an action game, which it actually isn't.
>>567711602marketing is a multiplier. if a game was going to earn $200 but you spend 200 hours on marketing and you triple the game's sales then you effectively worked for $2/hrin that case it's better to leave it to luck and invest the 200 hours in your next game
>>567711636you should give the walls/floor a different tile
>>567711636this game was fun when I played it on the demo dayhopefully it'll be a success
>>567711636yo the coin animation is juice, i like it
reminder not to take xitter too seriouslywhat gets likes and what makes a successful game aren't too closely aligned
anyone knows free AI texture generators?
>>567713330>adding ukrainian but no polish or russianwhat's the financial logic behind this decision?
>>567713330I wouldn't even know what gets likes on Xwitter if it wasn't constantly posted here
>>567713471ukrainian is just russian, and they do it for brownie points because russia bad, poland bad
AI CHADS WE ON THE RISEEEEE
A small announcement, our steam expo page has been approved! That being said...You have TWO days to get your game to /v/3 or risk missing out on our biggest show ever... >Main trailers https://forms.gle/yLYCeFKH9yBi5Psr9 >Quickshots https://forms.gle/Cth3vrBQ9u7kfe9K7 >Trailer https://youtu.be/zcJqrrPSaNc
>>567711387>4xi remember back when the overpromise/underdeliver was at 20x. hard times for shills huh?
Why has no one tried making a game dev ARG before? Like, "hey guys welcome to another dev session of my new and upcoming game scrimble bobbity 2. i have noticed something very peculiar... my npcs... they have started talking on their own..." and it's about some murder that the narrator is trying to cover up as his mother is haunting his video game o algo (or something)
>>567713851just quoting numbers that Steam owns 80% of the market, safe to say if you release it on the other 20% you stand to lose out on the remaining 80
not exactly what I wanted but oh well, I guess BY FUCKING HAND texturing it is then
>>56771385199% of those 19,000 games are probably mediocre slop.
>>567713330nice visual for why you should not bother trying to advertise on a dopamine slop machine like xittertheir videogame was clicking the heart and it doing the juicy animation
>>567713997You checked every one of them to know that for certain?
>>567711713>what do you even mean by this?In this particular case? Using money.You have a product that people would want to buy. You identify an audience that would like to buy your product. How do you get the product in front of that audience? What people here do: - Spam streamer mails with their game's keys -> A gamble on whether they'll pick it up or not. - Make youtube shorts/tiktok videos -> Again, slot machines hoping they'll get shown to the right person at the right time. To remove the gambling element you need to use money. PAY a streamer to play your game, then it doesn't rely on their whims. PAY to have your game screenshots/videos shown to people. Then it doesn't rely on the algorithm. PAY someone to make an actually interesting trailer that would make people interested. Then it doesn't rely on people trying your game before buying it. (Kinda like those retarded mobile commercials that gets people to click on them.) PAY to participate in game conventions/showcases IRL. And so on. (There are other methods I didn't list that involve less money but more time spent doing organic showcases, but I'll count that also as "spending money" since time is valuable.)I mean I'm not saying you should do this if you don't have the budget, but don't complain about the industry being a lottery when you refuse to invest in fail-safes against unpredictable elements. It's like trying to raise some crops without investing in measurements against random weather events that could ruin them.>>567712161You are correct, but I was working on the assumption that the developer believes he made an amazing gangbusters game that just got unfairly hidden by the algorithm.
>>567714098I know you're slightly retarded for even asking that question, but I do regularly go dumpster diving by combining a bunch of genres and exploring releases by new, and yeah, it's slop all the way through.
>>567713935steam's owns 100% of the third worlder that has never bought anything but market items on steam and will give a thumbs down review on a game they got a free key for and then log another 1000 hours in market.>>567713997welcome back circular logic market analyst
>>567713330This nigga is charging 20 bucks for a fucking Post Void clone.
>>567714341you're charging 0 bucks cuz u have no game
>>567714341kanna please dont say the n word
much better, still used AI for textures though
>>567714142>PAY a streamer to play your game, then it doesn't rely on their whimsit still does, they probably already have multiple chink slops paying them to play their slop on stream. i've even seen emails of streamers who were paid to play a game be late on that on here, on /agdg/. not to mention that paid promotions are way less effective than natural attention (if a streamer/youtubist showcased your game due to online hype)>PAY to have your game screenshots/videos shown to people. Then it doesn't rely on the algorithmpay who exactly? muskrat? even paid xitterjeets are still beholden to the algorithm, only to a slightly less degree.>PAY to participate in game conventions/showcases IRL.every dev i've seen said that these conventions/showcases IRL have a very low output in terms of actual market awareness, since these conventions are primarily attended by other devs. i'm pretty sure even youtube grifters like zukowski and brush say this at this point.> PAY someone to make an actually interesting trailer that would make people interested. this was the only sound piece of advice you've given so far, but then you followed it up with>Then it doesn't rely on people trying your game before buying it.which is just an idiotic non-sequitur, so i question your logic here in general.
>>567713330>>567714028for contrast this is the most-liked tweet Cast n Chill got prior to release
manual labor is for retards, you need leverage
>>567695623awwww somebody just copied the youtube tutorial tile for tile
>>567713330169k likes 4k comments - botted.com
>>567714993Manual Labor is good and needed.
>>567714546>pay who exactly? Bro you want me to do your job for you? Pay me and I'll tell you.>which is just an idiotic non-sequitur, so i question your logic here in general.My post was already near character limit. I don't have the time or space to go here into great detail on every point dude, the "idiotic non-sequitur" was just an oversimplified statement. What convinces people to buy a game? What causes people to hang up on and hesitate before buying a game? What makes them decide to buy a game that is just released today, has 0 reviews and no youtube content on it? Word of mouth approval, risk management, time investment, FOMO, there's a lot of factors that go into a purchase decision. So the point was that a good trailer can secure a purchase without relying on other factors such as whether other people told you that game is good or not. A demo can help but you need to convince them that it's worth their time to begin with.Either way I'm not here to do game dev couching so that's enough wasting time for me, I said my piece. There are whiners and there are problem solvers, which one do you want to be?
>>567715465I don't want to be a retard I need leverage like rich people, minimum input extreme output thats the motto
>>567714996acab
>>567715465>>Bro you want me to do your job for you? Pay me and I'll tell you.>make a retarded statement>deflect and shift responsibility when asked to elaborateyeah, okay. whatever you say.
>>567708825>Assets are partially AI-assisted and then manually corrected, modified, and polished to ensure quality and commercial viability.>Not allowed: Direct resale or redistribution of the assets themselves (even modified, unless they're integrated into a larger end product like a game) · NFTs/blockchain · AI trainingLegitimately mind boggling
>>567715247no it's not thats why people automate everything
>>567713805>our steam expo page has been approved!Bullshit
>>567696450It's not uncommon here that an anon starts a project, it looks slightly promising and a bunch of creatively dead anons start making games similar to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RaguYU_SQIhere's some relaxing music
>>567696450Next year is Megamans 40th anniversary. There were also a lot boomer shooters around Dooms 25th and 30th.Also Gravity Circuit and 30XX came out a while ago and did fairly well.There's more of a market for MM games than any other kind of platformers save for Metroidvanias which people are getting sick of.
if you are a solo indie dev what do you publish your game under? i dont know whether to publish it under my username or make a 'circle' name (like how touhou games are just made by zun but published under team shanghai alice)
>>567716640>just now remembering when they introduced the shitty xbox mii's
hello anons i didnt check the thread in a couple months, impress me with your webms of your cool games that you definitely are making>>567716919it's completely up to you i personally think making a fun name for your one man army is cooler
>>567706030>>567705895And that's why you are morons.That kind of commitment is justified when you make a game in the top 1-5%, let's say a revenue of a quarter million dollars and above.If your game fails or underperform as it's usual, getting your job back will be hard; and getting a new job with a void of 3years on your resumé because you tried to make it big with your garageband is lmao. Of course if your current 'job' is being a burger flipper or a doordasher, that's another question. Because nobody with a good paying job and pension benefits will leave it to make a 2d platformer about depression.
sorry I'm not making games until the pendulum swings and a white fascist government starts funding chuds to make chuddy games like how governments do it with gay games now
>>567666986Vibe coded and unsupervised btw
>>567715803>AI artists generate art with AI then "prohibit" usage of their work in AI..What? Why?
>>567667258>cobwebs get stuck to the binSovl
>>567707661>stuck>A game that has the revenue of the last three best selling agdg releases combined, one of witch was in dev for a decadeRetard.
>>567717109Who knows. It doesn't even make sense because if you did train on it they couldn't prove anything you made was trained on their gens and not on whatever real artists it was originally trained on.
we must be better aggydaggers
>ERM CAN YOU MAKE YOUR GAME EASIER>UH CAN YOU ADD A SKIP FUNCTION >THIS BASIC TASK THAT A LITERAL 4 YEAR OLD CAN DO IS TOO HARDThe access of hearing retards opinions directly has been a fucking disaster for indie games. I wish I was Japanese so I can at least have the language barrier protecting me from the voice of these fucking unwashed troglodytesRetarded fucking masses digging at my feet wanting me to retard myself for them. Die. Go play your slop shit and leave me alone if you're low IQ. It's not meant for you. Go away. Don't message me. Don't comment on my page with your Esl writing.
>>567716998Here's the thing.When I'm on my deathbed, I will definitely regret not making my own game, even if it's a bad/mediocre one.I'm really tired of surviving in this dog shit life, and for once I want to try living my life.
>>567708825I guess people just don't give a fuck anymore if it's AI slop or not. I scrolled through the previews and there's no consistency whatsoever. This is the sloppest of sloppa and whoever generated it seems to be making bank.
>>567716985i look like this
>>567713634>random empty shells stuck on the wallI wanna see your usage of it in your game
>>567717470Bro you can just...not read them?There's even a chapter about it in this indie game dev manga I read.If you're successful you can just hire someone to read all the reviews and comments and forward you only the legitimate feedback and nice comments. If your game isn't successful then the comments don't really matter anyway, I doubt feedback can turn a flop into an unflop post-release.
>>567717842You think that's bad?Slop shit games came out on f95 with zero ZEROAdvertising And make 11k in one month with hundreds of reviews and doners https://graphtreon.com/creator/fallstar_gamesYou guys overestimated on people giving a shit.The majority of gamers are straight slop eaters who never gave a fuck about quality. They just need a quick dopamine fix and then throw the game away for the next dopamine fix. None of you are making gamesYou're making fast food
>>567718029>hire someoneJust output all the reviews to AI, and let them summarize it for you.They can even analyze the review for you so you don't misunderstand the feedbacks.
GOTY btw
>>567718068>You guys overestimated on people giving a shit.>The majority of gamers are straight slop eaters who never gave a fuck about quality. They just need a quick dopamine fix and then throw the game away for the next dopamine fix.I see this and it is depressing. Is this really what it comes down to. Once upon a time I thought I would be making games with purpose but is such a thing even possible. At the end of the day it's just a dopamine printer.
>>567718382> I would be making games with purpose but is such a thing even possibleNo. The society is legitimately too brown and too low IQ for this to be possible.If the majority of people can't even read. How are you expecting them to do things like think about art or design? Your only hope is to make a game that appeals to Chinese bug men Or hoop and gun
>>567717109Money
>>567718320Wasteland Bites new content? I didn’t get past shooting the first customer.
>>567718068Wait a second, is the slop market just an extension of the mobile market?
I'm not sure what this is, but it looks like something aggy would use for marketing
>>567718787The majority of gamers are now mobile sloppers and mobile sloppers play dog shit gatcha and do it everyday without issue. This is just the natural progression There are 1.6 billion Indians And all of them have phones and access to the web
unity has an awesome asset sale on at the moment
>>567675598>make no mistakes; complete tasks fully and correctly in a single attempt
im stuck on my game, because i lost my vision.i dont even have a proper scope, im just unable to plot it out.I've been running on pure delusions with this project of mine, but now I have to face the fact that the game mechanics i employ may not match the vision i previously i had for it.Something about being able to hide the mechanics behind a curtain, like watching a really good movie. you cant dissect it. i thought i could achieve that, but i lost faith.hmm...ill figure it out. but anyone know what im talking about? my tiny mind cant even fathom a solution as of this moment. ive been procrastinating by implementing objective systems like lighting and other bull shit
>>567719792>ive been procrastinating by implementing objective systems like lighting and other bull shitthose things need to get done. game icon needs to get done. save system needs to get done. the important thing is to maintain momentum. let your brain work on the big picture in a background task
>https://www.pcguide.com/news/valve-removes-free-horror-game-from-steam-after-players-discover-it-contains-malware-that-steals-your-data/>play small indie games, what could go wrong?
>>567720173>>Make sure to run at least a few antivirus scans to ensure the virus has been completely wiped from your system.>The absolute state of tech journalism
>>567720173>No way to prevent this says the only multi-billion dollar company where it regularly happens
>>567719425It works.
>>567720173this shit is why I'm kinda paranoid about installing demos on steamif it happens to release games ain't no way they're checking all the demos properly
>>567718029> called my game kamigeI would print that review onto a T-shirt and wear it everyday
>>567665864All the American AI companies are doomed to fail eventually anyway. Inevitably they will reach the point of diminishing returns and Chinese open source models will catch up and eat their lunch. Could be in a couple years or it could be in a decade but it will happen and that's a good thing. Closed source AI is slavery, all AI models should have to be free and open source because they were trained on all of our data - we should all benefit from it.
>>567720685It happens pretty often on F95 and itch.io, it's just that nobody cares when it happens there.But you probably don't actually use alternatives to Steam on the regular yourself and just want to cry.
>>567721468Those are small companies. Its understandable they don't have the capability of checking every game. Valve is the most profitable tech company per employee in the world. They have the resources to hire people to check the games.
Too bad I'm too retarded to even use AI properly.So I'm still using chatGPT the traditional way to develop my game.
>>567721804how do i make game?
>>567721619The game was checked, the malware was added in a later patch. Do you really want a 3-5 days review for every single patch you push to your game? I already saw people in this thread lose their minds for having to wait a couple of days just for their Steam page to be verified which is a one time thing.Though I'd agree with reviewing every patch, as long as you raise the Steam entrance fee to $10k per game, so I know employees aren't wasting their time checking "Hentai Girls Solitaire Puzzle 5" but actually important games like mine.
>>567722065Gamedevs can't be trusted, period.
>>567720116wow thank you. youre right.
>>567722154Modern game devs are definitely spoiled, especially indies.On Playstation you actually DO have to wait even up to 1-2 weeks (depending on how frustrated the Sony employee is today) for EVERY single patch you push. So you better make it count. None of that "updates 1.431 increased stats for crabs by 1, fixed a typo" bullshit you see today in devs logs.
>release game>Have some guy posting seethe at me at how fun it is and how buggy it is>More updates>He comes back to continue seething>Another update >he comes back to bitch at me that there wasn't enough content and I'm not moving the story alongWhat is this mental illnessIf you hate the game why do you keep commenting on it. Nigga move on. What the fuck?What is this mental illness that I'm dealing with.
this AI thing is killing the old internet, have you noticed you dont click on google results anymore? the traffic is dying, google as a search engine is dying, all you do is talk with AI bot and you get all the info from thereWild
>>567721804Start with pong
>>567722768He bought your game so you're now his slave in his mind. Gamers are retarded animals. Entitled pigs. Many more believe what he does even if they don't comment.
>>567711238>Yet people here still want to replicate outliers in the game industry. (Which is arguably even harder.) Curious.I don't think anons are stupid if they can't make a successful game but >>567708825 suggests they're stupid if they can't make an AI generated asset pack that makes a ton of money.
Add big booty femboys with small pps to your game.
>>567721804>chatGPT the traditional wayin the 14 year old zoomer mind, there is a "traditional" way to use AICovid was killing the wrong generation
>>567721804I do the same lolAI is simply not there yet for you to tell it >make game, make no mistakes
>>567722820Uhhh I click on google results all the time thoughtnever
>>567723612you might be a luddite
>>567722065Bare minimum valve should have some sort of automated system checking the updates.
>>567723648Nah just not so shallow that AI can provide all the information I need
>>567723294Will do but it will be a furry femboy, okay?
goodbye internet, it was nice knowing ya
>>567723978Remember back in 2022 when artists were coping and saying that AI would collapse on itself?
>>567724080it's happening. they were right.Google and such are paying for real human beans to write shit for AI, I wonder where can I get hired
>>567724161deadass? what an interesting problem to have.
>>567724675think anon think how to profit from all of this
>>567723383Word traditional is relative to the context you morgel. Asking chatbot or using autocomplete is more traditional then AI agents.
>>567724748They pay like 50 cents per hour. There is a reason they only hire Kenyans or sometimes Eastern European single moms on unemployment benefits.
>several archeologists before 1950s were colossal fucking retards that destroyed sites out of carelessness blew up ruins with dynamite and made up random theories that created falsehoods people still believe today, yet were hailed as brilliant at their timeWhat are the gamedev examples of this?Retards who "succeeded" because they were early but caused irreparable damage to the game industry or gaming as a whole?
>>567723552I know it's much slower and inefficient.But I still feel more secure knowing that I'm the one building the game, and the one reading the code so I know the AI is not doing some weird bullshit.
>>567725023Valve
>>567724910then goodbye internet it is
>>567722820The old internet got killed by normalfags with phones. We need to accelerate the downfall so we can build a better internet from its ashes. This time let's keep it nerds only.
>>567725324preach brother
>>567724910its gonna be funny when chatgpt starts sounding ESL kek
>>567725023A lot of successful devs have awful takes. Carmack says story doesn't matter in games. (Gets proven wrong.)On the other spectrum you have Neil Druckmann who says they don't use the word "fun" at Naughty Dog.Then you have Miyamoto coming out and saying that video games don't leave behind a legacy the way movies do, because a movie can still be watched 20 years later but a game is tied to its console and can't be played 20 years later, hence why he wants to make more movies than games at the end of his career.
>It's another episode of the resident irony poisoned nihilists using cynicism disguised as wit to try to trivialize meaning and sabotage those who are serious and committed
Using ChatGPT free gave me token-anxiety, I'm simply afraid to use LLMs now because I think I will run out of free tokens at any timefuck
Anyone else here?
>>567696450>I'm still not gonna pretend they didn't buzz me on their podcast for a year, rip my main theme, try bait me into saying legally admissible things, swipe my pitch docs, threaten to stab me, and try to blackmail me over NSFW chatlogs on /x/>or that my comedically exaggerated schizoposting didn't drag out half the fucking team into thinking I was trying to be an anonymous threat>which can be proven in their main theme changing between trailers and again, on their podcast calling somebody crazy or their piratesoftware vagues about ritalin >which came from after I tried apologizing and ending it in person and giving an easy out of blaming it on meds >Now I have screenshots of them blaming it on schizophrenic alien cowboys and talking about old AI generated robot pornography >but I digress, I guess I'm le schizo (*´ω｀*)
>>567726186ya I'm 'ere
>>567725847>Neil DruckmannHe's got something in common with someone we know, he also hates gamers
GODOT CHADS WE'RE ON THE RISE
>>567726513Godot is the thinking mans engine
>>567726241based as fuck. im probably the only one here who doesnt hate this guy.>>567725847miyamoto kind of has a point, not that it matters in the pc steamie era. very ironic coming from nintendo tho kek.
Next OP?
>>567725847>Carmack says story doesn't matter in games. (Gets proven wrong.)He only got proven wrong because the audience grew and extension changed.
>>567725976i know what u mean, i had a similar feeling of being stranded when i needed help the most.20 dollars a month for claude code fixed it, i never hit the weekly budget. no, i dont vibecode but i ask a shit ton of questions and it gens code on the function level, not entire systems. i sometimes ask the same questino on claude and claude ai. sometimes one mogs the other completely
>>567726813>>567726813>>567726813
>>567726708Miyamoto has a point when they go after every emulator dev with their legal team
>>567726708>miyamoto kind of has a pointYeah, about as much of a point as saying that movies released on CDs die because people use different disk reading technology in the future to watch the movies they buy. aka a non-issue as long as even 1 person decides it's worth preserving and transferring over to the new technology. Assuming of course Nintendo doesn't explicitly go out of their way to fuck over everyone who wants to preserve and emulate their games.Miyamoto is old and senile, what's your excuse for being stupid?
