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>>567804785URRRAAAAAAAGGHHHHWHERE IS HEWHERE IS OMNI MANWHERE IS HE
the taxman's audit begins
inhouse. NOW
are they really going to not patch today...
i love victor
Neon prime, home.
>no patchDEADLOCK IS FLOPPINGTHIS IS NOT A DRILL I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A DRILLREDDITTROONS ABANDONED THE SUBREDDITFORUMS ARE A GHOST TOWNTWITCH FOLLOWERS FOR DEADLOCK ARE 4K COMPARED TO DOTA'S 100K+DEAD GAME WITHOUT A PATCH
They didn't say it was for sure this week which means it's another week away.
>>567804785I always stun walker as ivy, try it in practice mode, it's helpful in team fights but hard to time correctly >>567804653back to CSGO you faggot
How accurate is this?
>yoshi is transdeadgame doa I see
>>567805482>Doorman hardClosed image right there
>>567805389>I always stun walker as ivy, try it in practice mode, it's helpful in team fights but hard to time correctlyYou shouldn't stun the walker while it's stomping though unless someone is just about to get clipped by it. Cause it will just immediately restomp which could catch people off guard thinking they're in the clear.
>>567805482>doorman>hard
>>567805238I've been getting mouth-breathers as teammates for the past few days so I decided to start playing wallbreaker victor and I gotta say it's been working out well. even when my team is so braindead they don't take advantage of the huge amount of space I create by forcing 4-5 of the enemy to try and stop me we still win.
>>567805482drop dynamo victor venator kelvin paige giest ivy drifter and rem a tierdrop silver yamato apollo and lash a tierdrop doorman a tier
Stomp dynamo isn't OP. Buy warp stone.
BRING OUT THE ROMAN CATS. WHERE IS THE PATCH
>>567805971>dynamo isn't o—ACK!whuh
Sex with Venator
>>567805482Objectively speaking these are the only hard characters in the game.
>>567805971>warp stone out of the way of a stomp>get hit by the next one a few seconds later and lose half your hp to spirit burn/mystic reverb
>>567806213On top of warp stone buy spirit res, spellbreaker, and silencer. Maybe fit a scourge in there. Suddenly he's not OP anymore. You guys just need to counterbuy instead of l->r.
reskin if good
SOMEONE INVITE ME KINDLY95207304steam id ^
bros...
>>567806692Source?
>>567806873were is the inhouse codeain't there usually a code for this shit
>>567807043kinda outta pocket, but okbadumtsh
>>567772291>30:?? game>78k damage silvershe's so weak...
What would you do in this situation?
genuinely amazing how people still cry about dynamo stomps but you never hear a single whisper about grey talon arrows doing 1100 damage every 0.7s
>>567805971The proper counterplay is to take the high ground.>counter buyingA bit of a meme desu, you can only realistically counterbuy 1 or 2 enemies, since in most cases you can't buy disarm AND slowing hex AND E-shift AND(obviously these 2 are the most important) counterspell and cleanse magic, at that point you'd deal no damage, the only time you're allowed to buy all of these is if you're support slutting
>>567772291silver downplayers... look away...
>>567807364Nobody plays Talon, he's broken as shit but is barely in any games, meanwhile Dynamo is in every single game so more people are going to complain about what they see more often
>>567807359start singing johnny rebel songs over the mic until someone threatens to post me on reddit and then piss myself
>>567807359sex with ivy
>>567807359go to my base and jump around and afk farm
>>567807359I take accountability. This game was obviously on me. Valve put me on a team with 5 3 month old children because they expected me to carry - and I let them down. I deserve that loss. I deserve to rank down. And next time?I'll do better. I'll be better.
How do you counter Holliday bouncing around like a maniac in lane?
>>567807692you don't
>>567807692>Impossible to hit for aimletcels like me>Barrels do hundreds in damage>Can still shit out damage with the snipe skill even with no gun items bought>Lassos you into guardian and you dieFuck this movement troon character
>>567807692Read an essay post from a Holliday main about how much skill she takes and then thank the enemy Holliday for being so much better at the game than you, I would even recommend friending them on Steam to politely ask for advice afterwards, and be sure to commend them when the game is done.
>>567807364>insane arrow damage and charge time>curse on demand>flies with free stats and splitshot>global excute ult that gives him infinitely stacking spirit power>his gun scales with spirit>4 stamina >gets insane free spirit from boons>dogshit WR>dogshit performance in nightshiftIt makes no sense
Rapid recharge good on shiv or no? You dont really need the time between charge reduction
>>567808158I don't get it either. He's busted as fuck yet his average winrate is in the gutter and he's got one of the lowest pickrates. Is it because nobody can agree on how to build him or what?
>>567808229YES.IT IS A NO BRAINER.YOU NEED AS MANY KNIVES AND YOU CAN GET, AND IT ALSO INCREASES THE SPIRIT POWER FOR HIS KNIFE.YES.
>disarming hex lasts 4s with a 16s cooldown>silence wave lasts 3s with a 42s cooldown>both cost 3200>silence wave gets constantly nerfed every patchwhy are gun characters so shit when spirit aoe ends the game by 25 minutesyoshit explain this NOW
>>567808408>Downplaying m1ggers
>>567808408disarming hex isnt an aoe nuke
>>567808408what >>567808618 saiddisarming hex is a single-target ability only and it fucks over everyone, not just m1ggers. meanwhile m1ggers don't care if you silence them
>>567805482Not really accurateDoorman is unironically one of the easiest characters in the game and the epic walker frag clips people see are so well known that people are very active about avoiding them, so trying to pull that sort of shit off above alchemist is throwing.
>>567806149The list does show how hard a character is but only up to a point imo, I'd argue holiday is harder then yamato but because holiday's kit is garbage, you reach a point where you can't milk WR out of her even with practice, because you reached the ceiling of the character's kit, same with sinclair who is not even on that list lmao
>>567808716>so trying to pull that sort of shit off above alchemist is throwing.okay so then why can joe chuck win games with that strat if it's meme tier
>>567808852Because he's run that strategy exclusively for hundreds of hours
>>567805482an entirely uncounterable map-wide team-wide teleportan auto-aim anti-interaction buttona massive spammable AOE spirit nuke projectiles the size of an elephant"hard"
>>567808492bro.. your escape utility?your warpstone?your metal skin?your schmovement?your peeking from cover with aoe?your green items?>>567808705both are counterbuys. Fed spirit characters out of lane are harder to counter than fed m1 carries
>>567807692CC native to your kit like combo>don't have anyYour beat bet is anvils and or slowing hexs>>567808298Best theory going around right now is that his design is so dogshit that no one wants to learn this grandma looking oldman, so because he doesn't have waifu fags like celeste/graves/silver he doesn't get much of a playerbase that abuses his kit, he doesn't look cool like shiv either.
>>567808949you're telling me you can force meme tier strats into being good ones if you just do it over and over again for a few hundred hours?I just feel a bit skeptical about that, because the same can't really be said for every other character.
>>567805749i played 10 games as victor this patch and didnt lose a single oneno matter how retarded your team is taking down a shrine early guarantees victoryits a little harder to do it with spirit build but still workshe's probably going to get nerfed really hard but thats ok i dont like playing characters that are too op
>>567808972>your escape utility?>your warpstone?>your metal skin?>your schmovement?>your peeking from cover with aoe?>your green items?I am the only one that ever buys counter items in my rank. People in my rank will let Haze go 20/0 without countering whatsoever
>>567805482swap yamato with billy, put apollo on easy, shiv and silver on hard, seven on normal, celeste in challengingrest is accurate
>>567809092I don't think it's completely meme tier but it is a weird gimmick that's easy to play around unless the person doing it is really good.
>>567805482>The dude with 40% based CDR on ult requires skill
>queue at 6 minutes>cancel, unban Shiv and requeue>get into match instantly>Shiv the on enemy side on my lanejust hand me the loss already instead of having to waste 30 minutes of my life having 35 knives lodged in my ass all the time
So like, what's the best Drifter builds right now? or just, what's some good early game items that help a ton in lane?
>>567807692make her cum so he gets off your dick
>5 minutes into game>hear 2 death sounds>press tab>both other lanes have 5 deaths each alreadyat this point i'm just looking at yoshi like thiskill me yoshi please. end my suffering yoshi
>try to play wallbreaker victor>teammates constantly split the lanes 2/2/2 the entire fucking game and try to push with me
>>567809581>what's some good early game items that help a ton in laneExtra regen. Extra spirit (burst also good but extra spirit increases mark damage too). Stalker since it's damage doesn't scale.
>>567805482Even ignoring Sinclair and Doorman being "hard">Yamato in "challenging">Gets a lock-on teleport hook that gives +40 spirit power, unstoppable and 60% bullet and spirit resist on ult>Apollo in "challenging"Lol. Lmao even.
>>567809963victor's OP as fuck, it's impossible to lose even if your team is retarded
>>567805482I guess nobody in this thread can read, because the characters on "hard" are labeled as "difficult to master", which absolutely fit both Doorman and Sinclair. They have the highest skill ceilings in the game.
>>567810371if viscous could actually do damage with his abilities i'd put him at the top
bruh im dead
>>567810687Let me guess, some SICK FUCK said Graves is hot?
>>567810757no i said rem is hot
>>567810626>He has to actually aim his ult instead of just pressing 4 to win like HazeLOL!
i literally don't get the appeal of gun doorman. his gun is so fucking bad and you do half the damage of just throwing bells. like what causes people to play this horrible horrible build
>>567810365All it takes is two people to stop your push. It's not hard to counter at all.
>>567810897this may be surprising to hear but people like to have fun instead of minmaxing
>>567810897Does anyone actually play gunman anymore?You just buy your 4.8 spike so you can farm a little better and contribute something while your shits on CD.
>>567807492I often find myself fighting the temptation to sing quit your bitchin' nigger
>lose because infern wanted to do mid rather than endThanks for that mister do nothing.
>two wallbreaker victors in three matches tonight At least they both lost, fucking cancerous retards
>>567811095the whole point is the build isn't fun. like i can see gun rem/paige being fun, but doorman just has a bad gun so playing gun anything else would be more fun
Make Haze ult a skillshot. This is easily the most boosted group of players in the game
NO PATCH DEAD GAME
>>567807692Usually let Holiday have her fun early game just clear wave chill behind cover then when minute 20 arrives you take her out back and euthanize her.
Can they just nerf Doorman already so I can go back to playing him again? Every fucking game he is banned.
what's the best combination for 4.8 investment on doorman? I play bellman so i like recharging rush but headhunter is needed to proc the recharge super easily but then you can't get opening rounds which is currently broken, etc.
>>567810843based & trve
>>567811569forgot pic
Not launching until yoshit drops the patch
Inside her hiya, patch drops in 12 hours *smoke bomb vanish*
I want to drink Rem's shota milk
My head cannon for doorman is he doesn't "place doors"He can just go to any already existing normal door in new York, open it with his keychain, and now it's linked to any other door he wants
>>567811716headhunter is ass with opening + rush + whatever else for 4.8k literally just 2 bodyshots trigger rush
>>567807692>buy monster rounds and golden egg>play passive in lane>farm the entire map when lane ends>RAPE that cowgirl because barrels do tickle damage after lane phase
My head cannon for silver is she has a fat dripping wet, insanely puffy cookie that belongs on my face as I deeply make out with it
My head cannon is that Seven was an ugly bastard before his flesh got melted off, but his rapist tendencies remain (Graves mains beware!)
>>567811414what is with this generation of posters that they cannot get mad at anything without accusing someone of being a homosexual or a child molester
I still can't tell when I'm corner boosting or just walljumping
>lose twice>get put in "easy matches" with teammates who don't shove waves>lose 2 more times>get put with all the other people on 4x loss streaks>win easilyThis happens every time I lose twice in a row
>>567812524zoomies and alphies aren't allowed to call you nigger/faggot so they use the next best word, pedo
>>567812015til doors in new york are located 3 stories up outside of buildings
>>567813038all windows are doors if you're brave enough
>>567812168youd be making out with abrams sloppy gaping seconds then
>>567811414I thought they just copied and pasted the code from portal?Is that not what they did? even then Valve owns the code.
>>567807281>>567807439affected
are holiday's eyes green or blue? the fanart seems to be split down the middle on it and I can't tell from the character model
Do I dare queue one more? I been shivin hard
>>567807359cute expansion rush
>>567807359>vindicta modi would stop cheating
>>567813709then someone optimized it to not crash the server when 12 people cast 48 spells through it
>Win three games in a row at [RANK] 6>Lose one singular game>instant demotion to 5I fucking hate this game so much
>No matter how many games i win, don't get my # back>Even if im MVP or HM, lose a #>Games are so bad that the entire team will demand other people to get lockdown or cc, but themselves will go full top page guide metaRitualist*, a fever dream to me by now
>>567807359Realize a gun ivy will do absolutely nothing against half their line up - and shift to spirit or heavy support
So, let's say you have something like Warden Max Flask, suppressor, bullet resists, plated, Juggernaut. How is it that an entire gun comp team can still deal basically any damage to you? (no armor peirce)
>>567806112Calm down Mina!
mods = cheatsmovement = cheatsparries = cheats
another balance patch is just the same shit different day, who gives a fuck. Where is the MM patch that was promised months ago.
>>567807359>playing against TroonverDisconnect>playing as TroonvyACK
>>567816438it already happened
>>567810843>furfagYeah he was right you're an IRL child touching pedophile.
>>567812896allegedly it's Yoshi's ingenious way to redesignate people into the ranks they belong inWhy couldn't he just do a rank reset for Summer like almost every other game with competitive mode on it? Because Valve would hate doing something seasonal
>>567816373>Mina sleeping with "the normies" or "the help"She'll shlick herself to rash over the thought, but she's banging a wooden dowel tonight at best
Ban all mods, they are cheats.
>>567812896Same shit happens to me. It's been a while since I've been on a loss streak too, I'm overdue for some fucking joke game where my entire team just sodomizes 6 gamers dads who just came home from a 12 hour shift at the coal mines.
>Go on 6 game lose streak>Get game where nobody on my team dies and one of them is a 20/0 Apollo
>>567816976enjoy it, thats the gratuity "don't quit playing" game just before you get bent over by an overfed mina ready to plow your ass
>play match>stomp lane>everyone else is doing very well>destroy all their walkers and get 30k ahead>suddenly start losing all teamfights>huh?>can barely push lanes anymore>???>start losing hard>??????>remember the enemy team has Victor>look at timer>it has been more than 5 minutesOh of course, silly me, I forgot
>>567817334>"We should get inhibitor or healbane to stop him" - everyone on your team as they all keep building meta
After the inevitable Victor nerfs happen, who will be the next broken OP character that metaslaves abuse?
>>567817415Haze again
>>567817415Inferus, Graves, Celeste, Mirage or Apollo again
>>567817415Haze. Curse Haze has no counterplay right now. If Curse Haze gets nerfed then Shiv, but that's fine because he actually has a skill ceiling.
>>567817415Rem once the balance patch drops
>>567817415One of the dumpstered or mid tier heroes who will inevitably get over buffed next patch
I think you should be able to stop drop quickly after launching off a bounce pad, like majestic leap. Or maybe slide over it to get a lower arc.
celeste and holliday are for trannies
>>567816051I just like to start with tesla for farming and wave clear. And the damage spike is noticable in lane. It's heavy spirit / support afterwards.
>>567807364Dynamo gets an incredible i-frame tool and game deciding ult in addition to stomps.
Rain of arrows sucks ass who the fuck presses that button
Recharging Rush should either be removed or bumped up to tier 4
>Dynamo player goes 0/13/11I understand on an intellectual level that it's not that I am getting more dogshit players, it's that my enemies are getting better at exploiting my teammates and that the skill quotient stays relatively static between teams but also what the fuck man
Just jerked off to Drifter x Abrams, now I'm ready to lose more games.
>>567817549Kill her?
>>567812627I dont know what either of those mean and im ascendant 5, i just press w and spacebar
what are you meant to do as vyper when the draft is vindicta, 3 frontliners, mirage and doorman
>Playing Rem>Enemy team building mostly Spirit>Buy Scourage as>Throw it onto our Abrams who has been building Spirit Resist>Enemy Team is unable to stop him as he literally walks at them menacingly and rapes them 1v6>He keeps taking Objectives without stopping while I jump onto him periodically to heal him upI love these rare games where I feel like I was able to enable our Carry
>even souls>one team wins fight>+20k lead out of nowhere>takes mid>cant fight cause rejuv>farms map>gets even further ahead>+40k>mid respawns>cant win because down so much>losesame pattern every time, 20-25 minutes of pure depression. they either need to fix this or put a surrender option
>>567820512The opposite will happen also where you're winning for 25 minutes then someone makes a mistake which compounds when other people try to cover for it and that instantly snowballs into the enemy getting urn, then mid boss, and there's literally no way to recover.
>play against kelvin>slowing hex, mystic slow, with ice beamoh im actually not allowed to play the game, got it
>>567820512The comeback is crazy in this game. All it takes is a mongoloid to throw your game, bonus points if it's the pos1.
>68% winrate in oracle VIPHANTOM HERE I COME Phantombros, what should I expect?
>>567820949easier than oracle
>>567820949pain until you get to low asc lobbiesand then even more pain until high asc/low eternus...guess what comes after
Souls/min is too high, 1k should be like wraith or graves turbofarming two lanes and all the camps AND sinners
I search the streets for used condoms to drink the leftovers what hero mystic do your recommend I main?
>>567821346>>567821989nevermind, win streak is over, green lane gave us a nice gift of a 30k victor at minute 15, possibly my shortest game ever without a leaver (sinclair MVP tho lmao)
>>567822541>hazesissy WALLBROKENmany such cases!
if they dont nerf kelvin beam i might just quit the game
>these are the powerlevels lorewise according to glutensnake's mods or whateverWhoever put venator above graves and warden has an agenda, same with them putting GT and shiv on the same tier as haze, someone who kills people while they're asleep
>>567822541I can't wait until the day that Haze's ult is made a skillshot. Easily one of the most boosted playerbases
I want to make Lilah Silver feel safe and happy and loved.
>>567823074>black hole, not number 1shit already
>>567823190The drifter and venator glaze is insane>number 1Seven lowdiffs the fat fuck
>Sometimes, you just have to laugh
>>567823074Why is rem above holiday ?
>>567804917Can someone explain to me what the purpose of Ethereal Shift is? I've seen people using it to avoid burst after getting caught but for me it feels weird to use that item REACTIVELY since using it gives you a period of buffs
>>567823074venator, viscous and doorman would be the strongest in full form but yall arent ready for that convoalso dream-demons cant kill you if you dont let them
>>567807069Engine
>eternus, must high prio two characters>get doorman, win>get paige, losepaige buff when
>>567823604yeah drifter is just a vampire hobo that kills and eats random people. fast and violent but not much else
>>567823078It's good of you to prioritize the happiness and wellbeing of our most vulnerable and marginalized Trans* sisters.
>retard doorman ults an out of position enemy and gives his team time to catch up and turn the tideFUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF THIS IS ASC 3 I SHOULDN'T BE DEALING WITH YOU REPREHENSIBLY STUPID NIGGERS!!!
>victor has died 11 times to drifter in 14 minutesliterally how
>>567823074This is a very funny list and I assume it was made explicitly to troll
Patch tomorrow?
>>567823805Silver is a straight white womanThe only bad thing about her is that she's american, but that's not a dealbreaker for me
>>567823892I had a Victor like this in my game. Guy just heavy meleed, and repeatedly got parried and killed, over and over and over
>>567823892you can't kill the dead....
>>567823757>venator,>the strongest in full form
>>567823074Dogshit list>DrifterHe's older and more experienced than Mina as a vampire but he's still "only" a vampire in a magipunk setting, a stake through the heart would probably kill him>Venatoris pretty much just a baseline human. He's on the level of a professional soldier, special forces, idk, but ultimately if he gets stabbed real hard he dies. Bizarre seeing him in the same tier as "woe is me for I literally cannot die despite every living moment being full of pain" Victor or "a sentient black hole that is magically contained inside a body of enchanted steel" Dynamo
>>567823978next week friday, we need some more time adjusting things by 0,01% its very hard, you see
>>567823892Meanwhile the Victor's in my team are absolute beasts raping in lane and carrying us to victory
I consider Silver stans to be lower than houseflies
>upgrading an enhanced item doesnt keep the enhance anymore>doesnt dupe the item either>just straight downgrades your itemwhy do they hate streetbrawl
>>567824116It was a spirit victor.
>>567823917>haha surely no one is that stupid I wish that were the case
>>567823979Whatever you say, Rabbi!
>>567824216>Meme mode is treated as a memeThey can't even balance the main mode
>>567824057>>567824083>an old man fighting monsters and horrors that is favored by God>baseline human glazepick one
>>567824162I don't recognize that term as applying to me so I don't careI sure do love Silver though>>567824387I don't get the implication, is Silver supposed to be jewish now? I thought that was Graves cause she's from a bignose lawyer family
Where are the Chinese and Indian heroes? It's 2026, let's see some #representation for #disadvantagedminorities
>>567824597This. Deadlock needs more diversity already.
>>567824597an indian hero that flings shit and maybe uses it for a movement ability (like sliding on it) would be kino
>>567823075you can't get boosted to oracle, we aren't even good
>>567824239Spirit victor works but posers wouldn't know how
>>567824703
>>567824597>>567824703>>567824895Yoshi we need the patch please, anons are becoming deranged
>>567823075how would that even work
"Take a break anon?" YOU REALIZE I WAS IN ETERNUS? And I played the game for five minutes and i'm here. I don't NEED a break, I need to uninstall deadlock. This is a game made for f- anyone who's play- look at, look at you! IDIOT! LOOK AT YOU, YOU IDIOT! WHY ARE YOU PLAYING THIS GAME, YOU FUCKING DUMB SHIT, YOU FUCKING MORON SHEEPS, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS, YOU DUMB FUCKS, WHY ARE YOU PLAYING THIS NON-UPDATED FUCKING SHIT? YOU FUCKING MORONS, RUNNING AROUND LIKE ANTS IN YOSHI'S MAZE
>>567825378
>>567824703>Same shitlow rankI'll kill myself
I love street brawl
>>567824895when you slide he sharts and it lubricates the ground underneath him + propels him
>>567826017it is the superior mode
>doing ok vs Seven/Warden as Silver, kill them a few times>suddenly 4 people waltz into our lane and steamroll us twice in a row>Celeste refuses to even look at an urn because we failed to contest the first one>Russian Mirage rushed Ricochet to vacuum every lane and every jungle camp and every Sinner's, then complains about '1v11' when he gets caught>I have literally nowhere to farm and can't look for picks because I'm weak>end up the poorest on the team by 10k, 25k behind the enemy carry, literally nothing I could doThat was maybe the most demoralizing game I've ever played
>>567826270some people are slaves to pushing waves and hitting sinners instead of doing the fun part of the game
>>567826306I like being a lane slave
>>567826369okay come be a lane slave in brawl as well, they added creeps just for you!
>>567826436No thank you I can't play brawl after experiencing the normal mode, it's too boring
>>567826287Had some games so awfulgarbageterrible that mfw must've been an exact copy
Thoughts on a Dark Souls rollslop hero who gains I-frames when dashing?
>>567826763well they added parrying to attract the slopkiro souls crowd, so i can see them adding iframe rolls too
>>567826763thats just vyper
There better be a pride month event or we Silver mains will riot
>>567826763I frames when ROLLING but dashing/sliding is disabled, sure
>>567826763This might as well be Celeste and Holliday, damn movement troons are impossible to catch
>>567824424Drifter's killed plenty of Venators already, so much for their 'favor' lmao
Really simple concept but hear me out: hero who's abilities disable other heroes' abilities>1, 2, and 3When cast on an enemy hero, disables the ability of the same number(for example if you cast 1 on an enemy, it blocks them from casting 1)>4Same as above but used to prevent the enemy from using their ultYou could dump all four of your ability casts on the same enemy for an M1-only 1v1 or use them on different targets during a teamfight(shutting down their most "valuable" abilities, for example enemy Rem is how hp so you disable his ability to hide on another enemy hero, etc)
>>567827998who drew this picture of me
since venator took the vow of chastity does he have to wear a chastity cage
>>567828449yes
>>567828449try going into the deadlock discord and @ing yoshi to ask him.
>>567828606hot I should become a priest>>567828673ok
>>567826994yeah dude every time I parry some retarded billy the first thing I think is "wow! just like sekiro!"
does the move speed nerf on weighted shots effect sliding speed or just walking around?
>>567828052>retard-kun reinvents silence
>>567829257just walking around. might even be faster to just walk instead of sliding if you have the stats for it
>>567829257you misunderstand how sliding worksit doesn't have a speedonce you're above a certain unit/s threshold you can slideand when sliding you just lose less speed over time compared to walking (until long-slide drag kicks in)so move speed has no bearing on slides. same goes for dashes and the boosted slide out of a dash
>>567807359Lose
buff silver
>>567829257>>567830724oh and "long-slide" drag just means sliding for longer than ~0.75s, which basically halts your ass completelygenerally once you have speed the best method to maintain it is through slide hopping. which is just sliding and jumping, then landing into another slide. rinse and repeatthe only thing to know about slide hopping is that your first jump out of a slide is "free". you can do it instantly, which you should, because air friction is nonexistent while all sliding loses some speedhowever subsequent slides you gotta hold for at least 0.5s. jump before that and you get slide dragged and your speed gets raped to nothing
>>567831016damn silver is broken with 8000 items
>>567828374me
>>567831016She's buff enough, she needs to lose some muscle to ensure she can carry to term safely
>>567831016Snuff Silver~
>>567828013Drifter is holding back his powerlevels, he treats killing as a game to pass the time with which is why he showed up in the first place
>1 player ragequits 5 minutes into the game after feeding 6 deaths>Another player accidentally quits because he didn't know you can't rejoin after the penalty thing comes up>Still manage to survive 45 minutes before losing>"Sorry anon this rank must be too challenging for you we'll have to lower your rank for this loss"
What's the better cheap healing reduction purchase for Silver; Decay or Toxic Bullets?
>>567831702you mean't sniff, right anon??
>>567832086healbane's basically viable for all heroes plus you hit your green spike easier.
>>567832086Healbane. Your human and wolf's 2 and 3 deals spirit damage and wolf's 2 is a DOT. Should be enough time to kill your target.
>trian all your life with a hero>some fucker disables your combo by pressing jumpawesome techslop bro
>>567832779Graves players in shambles
I genuinely forgot you could heal others with her lifedrain until this came up
how are mina players going to play the game now when yoshi reduces the damage her ult does next patch (tomorrow)?
Just wanna run this idea by you real quick /dlg/If the losing team dunks the urn, they get a very short (30s) but powerful teamfight buff for every member on the team that's in a certain (generous like 45m) radius around the dropoff.It's to punish the winning team for not guarding the pickup and letting the drop happen on the losing team's terms.
>>567834062What about this.>if the losing team dunks the urn they get to regenerate 30% of their hp over timeTo prevent this most common situation from happening>losing team fights tooth and nail to dunk the urn>doesn't matter because they get wiped after anyway because they're the losing team>enemy team gets more from the full wipe than if they dunked the urn themselves>invalidating the losing team's urn dunk
how about this:>urn removed from the game
>>567835718HELP ME DELIVER THIS THING
how about this:>rng boxes and "box runs" removed from the game
>>567833001it's similar to remembering you can push/save allies with Doorman's 2.
>>567836003*3, i'm retarded and it's early morning
>>567835895hel' me delivuh dis ting...
>>567818678I'd argue bird and invulnerable curse traps he can literally shoot mid air to curse anyone for FREE is even more game deciding. Yes, he can disable blackholes instantly.
>>567808158>>567808298you forgot his movement speed scales with spirit too. legitimately overtuned piece of shit hitler character. the only reason he's sub 50% is because some people play him as a drone operator and genuinely don't participate in fights otherwise and soft int their team as a result.
It feels like the optimal way to play Venator is to AFK farm when your ult is down and then pull up when your ult is up.
>>567809963>try to play wallbreaker victor>the enemy team turns into the most coordinated assassination squad and rapes me twice before I get anywhere near walkers>my team is... sleeping in our junglegreat
>>567812081headhunters a terrible item and you're way better off just spending the 3200 on an item that actually contributes to general damage. like nothing wrong with just having opening rounds/slowing bullets/recharging rush. no need to go headhunter. it's not like you will be struggling to do a whole 200 damage.
>>567836292i really wish venator had more focus on his first 3 skills. The 2 is kinda build defining sometimes but playing around with his grenades and traps is more fun than just holding m1, sometimes pressing 4 and then m1 again
all venator needs is for his traps duration to also scale with spirit, so you can be an annoying fucking faggot with infinite traps around the entire map
Surely we get a update today, right?
>>567809581always buy extra regen in lane and put one point in rend, play around the cooldown on the latter since it's the only thing have of worth at that pointopening rounds -> slowing bullets -> kinetic dash while maxing your mark firstyou then rush toxic bullets and you're now officially online with egregious DoT damage and a kill confirm tp, and you snowball from there. buy fortitude so you never have to fall back along with duration extender/arcane surge so your mark lasts almost as long as the cooldown
>>567837248>M1's your traps
>>567838316>maxing mark firstThe ult feels a lot stronger right now no?also, not even burst fire?
>>567837248make his traps invisible at T3, and also explode, dealing high spirit damagealso make it so this damage stacks if you put more mines togetherand rename him to Techies
Muscle memory took over and I typed "Yoshinigger" instead of "Yoshi" and got automatically banned from the official discord
>>567838772>revealed his powerlevelrookie mistake
do you think the APAC server has enough talent to have teams or are all the MOBAkoreans and chinese all still playing league of legends
>>567836292>>567837120>kit built around being a tankbuster bruiser>hes squishy as fuck with no innate escape tools and all of his abilities are nerfed to shit
>>567838535you cant shoot what you cant see (the purple outline is invisible to enemies)
>>567837248this would be an absolute nothing buff realisticallyone thing i wish for is for his spread to be based on firing duration and not bullets fired (so firerate i'm not sure how much that would actually matter realistically but it would be a little qoli don't think he's due for buffs though. kinda seems like whatever internal metrics they have is telling them he's stronggiven he was sitting at low public WR and then still got nerfed
>>567839197no lol
>>567835140make it 30% of missing HP burst heal for 3 seconds and you've got a deadlock-like mechanic
Got a question to movement godsI'm struggling with understanding the idea behind short hopping (dash canceling) and leif videos are just not that good at explaining the intuition behind this stuff>1What is it actually useful for? is it only good for edge boost set up? dash > bunny hop > slide is better use of 1 stamina bar since you cover more distance>2 Are you supposed to do the first crouch before or after dash jump window? I'm guessing it depends on your distance to the edge boost?(leif's video for example says you can do it any moment during the dash window which is straight up false, you can only do it before or after or else it will try and convert it into dash jump)
>>567838772Did you at least get #RAPEYOSHI off before the ban?
>>567837248Have the pure damage scale off enemy spirit.
>>567820512if the enemy team ever gets that much map pressure, it's ggsthey'll just deliver urn repeatedly while your team is off farming in some small corner of the map that isn't wherever they are, hoping they don't get raped again somehowusually your team losing an entire teamfight is a good sign of where the match is already headed. losing everyone a teamfight can be very psychologically daunting for that team, so they'll often feel intimidated to really push lanes, or even try to deliver the urn
>>5678424851 -> if you can't IAD because of the terrain (sloped, curb, etc.) or you have no momentum then shorthops are good. you use them when trying to cover distance generally. grounded dashes canceled into a slide are typically the movement you use in combat (like in lane to get into cover quickly)their premiere use is to space edgeboosts and enter them with greater speed2 -> the 1-tick crouch is the thing you can do at any point during the dash. rephrased, you can cancel the dash into a shorthop with crouch at any point. that's followed immediately by your jump input. like dash -> scrollwheel>jump -> walljump (edgeboost) or slidehopsthe timing to do it is whenever. that's the spacing part. you dash for as long as you need to do get the right spacing for the edgeboost. on flat ground though yeah you want to cancel then hop any time during or after the dashjump timing. i don't know if you actually get the little boost that you'd get sliding out of a grounded dash, but at the very least you should be up to full speed by thento re-iterate, a shorthop is performed by dashing, canceling that dash with a 1-tick crouch input (either via scrollwheel or bind), and then jumping as close to 1 tick after as possible (otherwise you lose speed to ground friction, and same-tick will cause a dashjump attempt). it's used when you can't IAD or to space out an edgeboost
>>567808158he doesn't do well because he uses his arrows and ult then does nothing until he gets them back in CD a whole minute later, and (if building for arrow) his other 2 abilities do LITERALLY NOTHINGhe has a mediocre health pool and dogshit base gun damage (due to the spirit scaling so your weapon is super shit for the first 10 minutes or so unless you rush flight t2 and even then it's only not shit while flying)if you go gun you can never kill anyone because people can just take cover and suddenly you don't do any damage without getting into a super risky position (fun fact: floating around slowly makes you vulnerable) and you have no easy way to harass them out of coverhe feels like one of the heroes with the least agency in the game, if you're building spirit and your team doesn't enables you to get stacks then you do nothing, if you build gun and don't have a team to harass people out of cover you do nothing and if you go curse spam support then you are fully relying on your team to deal all of the damage and do nothing yourself
>edgeboostNo idea what this is and it should be removed from the game.
>>567847213here have an incredibly autistic infographictl;dr edgeboosts are a kind of walljump that add to your forward momentumthey're mechanically pretty simple, just need timing and collision knowledge
I actively believe yoshi is sending people into my games to stealth throw them.
WHERE'S THE FUCKING PATCH
>>567847987the names are backwards
>>567848890the names are not backwardsok well at least in terms of movement nomenclatureit is indeed fucked up that edgeboosts are done off of corners and cornerboosts are done off of edgesbut that is how those terms are collectively used
Few heroes get raped harder than Ven when playing from behind lel
>>567849262good thing he's a lane rapist that rarely has to worry about this>built in anti heal that does significant damage to fuck with people's sustain>abrams charge but good>AMAZING gun
hero with >45% wr in all ranks is actually a rapist according to /dlg/
>>567849791Seeker-kun...
>dynamo in enemy team>lose>dynamo in enemy team>lose>dynamo in enemy team>loseI'm starting to see the pattern
>game is heavily based on snowballing>character, if played remotely well, is tuned in such a way that they will dominate lanes>early dominance set up snowballinghope this helps
Day 3 of trying to get Shiv to work to no avail. I guess im just fucking dookie because I dont know how you get this slow ass nigga to do anything but feed. You have to be absolutely cracked with m2 movement to make this dude work im convinced .
>>567849836it only goes up to 45.1% wr in e6 and no one in NS plays him anymore even when every other carry is picked/banned
>>567849975Most m1ggers, including 'pros', don't have good enough aim to do well with Venator.
>>567849791>greater than symboloh no no no nonta but i will upplay venator until the day i die. i don't think his lane is actually that amazing but i also don't think he actually gets raped that hard when behind. as in, he has a pretty solid ability to check and punish over-aggression and an acceptable ability to contribute from the backlinethough if you waste your gutshot cooldown you fall over>>567849889what's your thoughts on silver
>>567849975Shiv has the exact same thing and he's a rapistCarry players are just boosted, sorry get fucked.
>>567846203Better explanation than on youtube, thanks anon
>"patch this week">it's FrydayOwarida
>>567828052>shit hero idea presses 123 on me>press dispel magic>kill him because he does nothing else than being a shitty silence
>>567849857>Mina, Victor and Lash on the enemy teamLose>Mina, Victor and Lash on the enemy teamLoseI too am noticing a pattern. YOSHI GIVE ME A PATCH TODAY GUT THESE FAGGOTS PLEASE GOD
>>567850160lol you actually think you're good for using aimbot>>567850168he's got a good kit but i think his main issue is that people learned to play around him way more since as you said not hitting gutshot means you won't do shit, and his trap can feel like you have no third ability a lot of the time>>567850214because only 0.0001% of shivs can actually fully abuse his movement tech so even e6 players are "shit" at him, ven takes skill i'm not gonna deny it but not THAT much skill, not nearly as much, he's a more or less a basic carry
>>567850214>Carry players are just boosted, sorry get fucked.This very much. Your other 5 teammates often manage to stall long enough for your retarded ass allowing you farm enough to braindead statcheck the enemies.
>>567836172Traps are definitely strong part of the kit, I don't think I've ever seen another grey talon do it though.Dynamo if he knows how to play has a significant dominance over the urn and rejuv pit without actually much mechanical skill. Particularly if he actually picks up unstop instead of mystic reverb or some stupid shit on his stomp.Curse gives you a chance to get him out of it but so do a lot of abilities.
>>567849971>You have to be absolutely cracked with m2 movement to make this dude work im convinced .Just learn how to shotgun slide (with no ammo consumption) and shotgun wallbounce consistently. 1 stamina is a rotate from mid to sidelane, it's crazy value. He is indeed slow without it, and he can't rape as hard in the midgame if you don't learn it.
>>567846961Charged shot hitting a trap detonates it, trap is legitimately really good once you get landing that down.Rain of hours is completely dogshit.
>Billy has bottom 5 winrates in every single eloBilly bros...Yoshi will notice our plight soon... right?Melee item buffs today!
>>567850168>the character with no mobility and no health is actually great when behindI mean yeah if people can shoot traps or randomly chase you into a tiny building while you have gutshot up but people outside of seeker are used to this shit now.It's not good from behind, you just turn into a fuckin grenade bot. But its something.He really needs more build variety and more survivability.
>>567851253i know that but that's why you do no damage if you go for trapon top of needing a lot of AP, you also waste your arrows to trigger the curse, so it's almost never worth it if you don't fully lean into trap spam and support (only would be worth it to cancel dynamo ult or something like that), and the hitbox to trigger them is tiny so no collateral bullshit is feasible
>>567823709In higher levels of play, it forces enemies in a teamfight to either waste time waiting for you to come out, or redirect their ire. For characters like Mina or Pocket with built in warps it has added value. A lesser extent if you have a warp stone. It also interacts well with Victor as he can leave his aura on in it, take no damage from it, and still lifesteal with it.
>>567851320and that's a good thing, any hero who relies on gun to do most of their damage deserves the worst. If I wanted to m1 i would return to CS or tf2
>characters can ping across the map in 5 seconds>there's no map awareness tools so you have to play like a bitch on most characters unless you're icefrog's favourite and get a free escape tool or 3 people could fly of a zipline and gape you>late game hitlers keep getting good lanes>objectives are made of literally nothing>troopers don't even need to be in the same zipcode as the shrines for them to be backdoored>nothing actually matters except fighting over the urn repeatedly and the rejuv>oh you wanted to win the game? sorry kid someone released a youtube video so now every ivy on your team is running the WORST BUILD KNOWN TO MAN and throwing the game as fast as possible>esoteric black box schmoovement filled with pointless mechanical debt and knowledge checks that trannies will endlessly defend as 'the best movement in a game ever' because it lets them have no positioning skills>90% of matches are decided in the draft>dynamo is still unnerfed>graves had every build raped to death for daring to be good for a couple days>graves players are buying fucking refresher first now>wallbreaker victor is allowed to exist
Oh me oh my it seems like the enemy bullet carry has build slowing bullets. What an amazing twist. I truly was not expecting such an off-meta pick
>>567852274Ha ha bro just buy metal skin, its not like any M1 carries get or can acquire spirit damage on their shots right?
>>567823709Its OP on Mina and Pocket since it lets you survive until your bullshit CDs come back and escapeAlso decent at wasting the enemy time in a chaotic teamfightAlso tanking enemy CC. So if a infernus ults or a wraith you can pop eshift and mog them
>>567808841Sinclair is one of the easiest characters in the game to be effective with.
I started the game not being able to counterbuy cause I didn't know enough items.I learnt the items and characters are started counterbuying every game.I no longer counterbuy because it's practically pointless and most counter items actually suck or are part of your gameplan anyway.Buying dispel magic every single game does not count as counterbuying.
Mina 2 shouldn't give you iframes that lets you tank CC and other effects, its fucking bullshit.
>>567852438Bolt is a bit more work than the typical 1 grenade. But its not too hard to get used to it.Savannah and bunny aren't difficult to use.But a lot of ults have weird particulars you may not understand, and knowing what items benefit those ults the most takes a lot of knowledge.I see a lot of sinclaires fuck up their ults a lot cause they haven't played the character they're stealing from before.
>>567823709>>567852071On mina i use it defensively, all ES stats boost her survivability. Spirit power increases her retreat's range, and rake's heal per killBut i still don't know if i should be buying it every time over other 4ts. Eido has it in core build but most of the time i would go for focus lens, boundless spirit first or diviner's kevlar
>>567805971or just like, double jump. or just take the stomp to the noggin like a sigma
Dynamo's 2 shouldn't give you iframes that lets you tank CC and other effects, its fucking bullshit.
>Mina is a bullshit damage champion that can simply phase out of existence on demand to avoid anything>Dynamo is a bullshit support champion that can simply phase out of existence on demand to avoid anythingHmmm mmmmm mmm mmm these two characters have something in common but I cannot put my finger on it...
>>567852274>oh wow the spirit carry has improved spirit wtf!!!!
>>567852274What else do you want them to fucking buy?The only cheap damage item that actually works is also the debuff item I'm sorry the shop has like four items in each category that are actually all around good and viable.
>>567852740Keep in mind Eido is shit at the game and feeds on Mina.
>>567852820their ults are also nearly, entirely immune to indomitablehmmmmmmmmmmmmmm it's so strange hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nothing suspicious about that hmmmmm
>>567852823Does every spirit hero buy Mystic Slow / Lighting Scroll?
>>567805482>Doorman>HardI would close the image right here like other anons, but I have to see further retardation>Shiv and Mina and Apollo>ChallengingNow I close the image, because if you think that these three characters are at all challenging to play, with all the free mobility, escape options, built-in tankiness, and counterspells/disjoints they have, you are retarded.Shiv players have constantly said he is hard to play, but he's just another broken as fuck character with infinite mobility, way too much tankiness, and he can just build mostly green items and still shit out damage.
Celeste's been eating way too much hay lately.
>>567852860Still i should probably be buying ES more often especially if they have high burst damage like bitch wraith. It turns mina into easy mode
>>567852961If mystic slow had built in 15 spirit power they would, yeah.Slowing bullets has +15% weapon damage, the highest damage boost that's not opening rounds (the actual first item most gun characters are buying)The only other item you could buy is titanic mag and you get infinite ammo by sliding and slowing someone down is more useful for most of the cast.
>>567852143what I hate is that the map still won't show the character icons of those who get pinged, it'll just be like"I see the doorman!!"and guess what? don't see his hero icon on teh fucking map at all. just a little red circle. it would be such a good qol change to make it to where you can see the red circlebecause what's the point of a callout if it's visually worse than the map just randomly showing you where the enemy is sometimes??
>>567853198>It turns mina into easy modeNobody tell him
>>567852274most gun items are viable and used by a lot of heroes thoughthe only ones that are true complete dogshit are long range/sharpshooter, escalating res, shadow weave and APR
Gameplay Update - 05-28-2026[ General ]- The following heroes' abilities, including ultimates, now work on buildings- Dynamo, Pocket, The Doorman, Lady Geist, Apollo
>>567853173uhhhh... jannies?
>>567853274>escalating resHEY, its good on billy! And uh... Billy! Cannot think of a other hero who buys it.It probably works decent on gun victor?
>>567853301based
>>567817549Shiv has a skill ceiling that is about as high as Warwick Davis's head. He's extremely easy and forgiving since he's just another stat-check hero like Victor, except Shiv does way more damage than Victor without even having to build much damage.
>>567853249mina is harder to play than any m1 though
>>567853235Also I forgot to mention that slowing bullets builds into the best raw weapon damage upgrade in the game that's not pointblank (conditional) or glass cannon (has a downside and is double the cost)
Gameplay Update - 05-30-2026[ General ]- Buffed melee scaling by 0.2%.[ Heroes ]- Dynamo: Kinetic Pulse spirit scaling reduced from 1.65 to 1.6498- Dynamo: Quantum Entanglement cooldown increased from 20 to 20.1s
>>567820512Comebacks are only possible in extreme situations where someone feeds really hard out of nowhere.
>>567853642>HOLY SHIT!!!!!>DYNAMO NERFS??????? >FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY>I KNEEL YOSHI!
Release date?
>>567853579>Unloseable lane with rake>Doesn't even have to aim, just spam ult and instant kill every single hero in the game>Best mobility in the game, gets e-shift and ascends into adminSure buddy REAL DIFFICULT hero you got there.
>>567853512you're complaining about his skill floor, not ceilingit's true that he's not that hard to do OKAY with, but if you want to actually fully maximize the use of his kit then you need a lot of skill which is why even in the higher ranks his wr is shit
>>567853643If the losing team has a much better draft and just got a shit early game it can be pulled back with some decent base fights.Especially with how people play right now in a lot of matches where they get rejuv, then all split up and randomly push lanes alone leaving them open to the 6 people off the zip rape to death squad.Yes I am spam pinging push blue while my teammates wander off in opposite directions to waste rejuv charges alone.
>>567847987This shit is retarded, I hope it all gets removed. There's no way they are going to include a tutorial that actually explains how to do these mechanics in a sensible manner, it's far more likely that they just get removed, or people just don't bother learning them because they're boring.
>>567849130>it is indeed fucked up that edgeboosts are done off of corners and cornerboosts are done off of edgesgame is doa at this rate
>>567852587But then Mina players would have to be good at the game instead of being able to dive as deep as possible to do 5000 spirit damage with their pure purple item build (plus stamina mastery and dispel magic to make them even more untouchable) and then get out for free with infinite iframes.
if this game was actually out of alpha phase or whatever, people would be fucking dunking on it so hard, and it WOULD be DOAnever forget the long gap of time where streamers just stopped giving a shit about this game, and immediately started criticizing the hell out of it once it stopped being mainstream
>>567854108if this game was actually out of alpha phase or whatever in it's current state*
>>567853804No, you really don't need to know much with him besides 'turn 90 degrees and alt fire to gain momentum'.He's another broken hero that is never going to be balanced by virtue of being a bad design that has literally everything. Tankiness, mobility, absurd damage, absurd healing/sustain, you can't give all of this to a hero. >>567853968Honestly a good thing, the movement in this game is fun with the simple to moderately difficult mechanics, like wall jumping, heavy melees extending your air time/movement to get up on ledges, but stuff like edge/cornerboosting is retarded and boring, and all the characters that have unique movement mechanics are just flat out OP because of how easy they are to do compared to the stupid esoteric shit. Shiv, Mina, and Celeste are all broken as fuck.
>barely escape a shiv and hide in a veil room>wait till he goes away>my character yells ''SOMEONE HELP ME WITH SHIV HE JUST KEEPS COMING AND HEALING''>he hears this and enters the veil room, kills meremove these voicelines yoshinigger you fucking braindead retard
>>567854108>people would bitch about a game in alpha/beta tier status if it were treated as a full release instead of an alpha/beta early testno FRICKIN' way....
We need a vore hero.
>>567854396>no flat ivyhanged, you need to be hanged good saar>>567854259you have no idea how many times this has happened to meI hate how the character screams that, even though no one's there. WHO'S GONNA FUCKING HEAR IT? Guess what? THE ENEMY I'M SUPPOSED TO BE HIDING FROM WHILE MY TEAM IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD
>>567854396The balancing in the game is somehow even worse than release DOTA 2, so yes, it should be bitched about.
>>567854583i liek both, flat is better generally though
>>567854396>you're not allowed to le bitch about early alpha beta testing game because it's in early alpha beta omega testing!!!!11!kinda defeats the whole purpose of letting players play your early access game in order to gather feedback, but alright anon
>>567854583>>I hate how the character screams that, even though no one's there. WHO'S GONNA FUCKING HEAR IT? Guess what? THE ENEMY I'M SUPPOSED TO BE HIDING FROM WHILE MY TEAM IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD>"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"I guess yoshi has never heard of this thought experiment beforeyea seriously, why don't the heroes comm those lines or somethin'? Might get annoying, but it'd make a little more sense, no?
>>567854727where in my post did i say that you're not allowed to bitch about it? in fact you should as you said because it's an alpha/beta/whatever yoshit is calling it now
>>567851253>>567851783fucked up tip about detonating trap: you have to shoot above the center to actually detonate it. you can't just shoot the center directly, that won't work. the arrow must fly past the center. at least when you're vaguely level with it and when the trap is planted. it's horribly unintuitive.at least the hitbox is pretty tall. you can pretty reliably combo arrow and trap and have them both hit a target, it's not either/or. you can also detonate it while the trap is still in transit, so you can chuck it before you shoot>>567851481well hey i didn't say he was great, just not positively rapedand gutshot is more than just a "teehee don't chase me silly boys~" button. if you have it and aren't caught in the open, you can get out of a lot of situations with its movement. mostly. context sensitivealso generally the traps that work are the ones they can't see and can't shoot. which is like, yeah no shit sun tzu, but you'd be surprised at the mileage you can get out of traps when used with a little finesse. that or combo into them from gutshot, that's pretty free>seekershit negro, people still overstep and walk into the funzone here in high phantom/low asc plenty. ego overrides logic
>>567853795She needs to aim to proc bats for her ult and she needs to be fairly close to do that, maybe it is just you but I do damage with every ability late game, not just ult. Even if her ult got nerfed today you people will find another reason to cry aboutShe isn't anywhere near the most opressive hero to lane against and you can avoid most damage if you position yourself correctly and dont let her proc LB all the time, she also doesn't get to confirm/deny souls as easily as M1s and if she gets her ult at 3.6k souls, literally just don't overextend and use terrainher sprit speed is much lower at 8.1m/s than bebop's 14m/s and she needs to manage her stamina quite a bit so don't act like she has it all. Having to walk as mina to conserve stamina is the most fucking painful thing in this gameI don't have problem playing against mina, most of them fucking suck. You retards like to dogpile on her forgetting how high her skill ceiling is which allows for one tricks to abuse her to shit. I have yet to see mina being picked first in night shift over pocket, doorman, bebop
>>567854396>Giving feedback in an alpha/beta is badYeah look at how well ignoring all feedback worked for DRG Rogue Core, everyone hates it right now because the devs ignored all feedback. It's pretty similar to how the devs are ignoring almost all feedback for Deadlock and making the game worse every patch.
>>567855093see >>567854987
>>567851320Parries should be removed, then Billy would almost reach 50% winrate
>>567852072but billy is a melee tank...
>>567854987Ok well, maybe you didn't exactly say it word-for-word.But you should still treat the game that you’re testing like it’s a full release though, even if it's technically EA; it's still the experience that people are going to get when they boot up the game at that momentthe game's status is never going to improve if you beat around the bush with its flaws because it’s in “omega alpha” testing is my point. This game IS very polished for an early access game, like it's definitely a lot more polished than some full games out there, but it has such a fuckton of problems that I couldn't even recommend it to any of my buddies because of how genuinely unfun it can be at times
>>567855051Mina is easily one of the most oppressive heroes to lane against since she is able to engage on you for free, out-trades basically everyone because she has a passive and every passive in this game is overpowered as fuck, if she happens to lose a trade somehow she can just go to a nearby camp and rake it to get a couple hundred HP of healing back.The two free disjoints more than make up for only having 2 stamina to start, and everyone gets stamina mastery on Mina anyway because it enhances her absurd air time with the stupid umbrella.>>567855002>>567851481Venator is extremely bad right now because he doesn't have mobility in a game where mobility is completely and totally overpowered, and all the meta characters have free mobility passives (Mina, Celeste) or just absurd mobility built into their abilities (Shiv, Infernus, Mina again).His pure damage isn't enough to make up for the fact that his mobility and defense sucks, and the traps might as well not be an ability in the current state of the game since nobody ever touches the ground long enough for them to even arm, let alone walk into one.The fact that he does pure damage is actively detrimental too, since Escalating Exposure is currently one of the most broken items in the game, and he gets no benefit from it
>>567853642ok can we make an actual bet though on whether or not dynamo is getting any nerfs next patch?I'm betting he's gonna get NO changes next patch
>>567855753>lash gun gets nerfed>lash gets no spirit scaling increases to compensate>dynamo gets no changes at all>rem gets an ult buff or whateverdystopianlock
>>567850216npnpif you have any more movement questions don't be afraid to ask, i have the right mix of autism for this kinda thingmaybe drop a "movementsperg" or "movementposter" in your question if it's not this thread so i can ctrl+f it>>567853917nah it's fun, i can almost promise you that it's not going awayalso since when has any mp valve game had a tutorial that was worth a fuck. or really any mp game for that mattereven fighting games with extensive in-game mechanics/tech tutorials will have gaps and shit you will have to learn from other players. it's just the nature of online gaming. seems pretty expected and a total non-issue that you have to learn stuff out-of-game to improve
>>567855941Considering that movement in this game is INCREDIBLY overpowered compared to basically everything else, having there be no tutorial for these essential functions of the game does guarantee that it will either be dead on arrival, or there will only be sweatlords and subhumans playing it... so exactly like DOTA.
>>567855941Some of the movement mechanics are fun. Stuff like corner/edgeboosting aren't fun.
>>567856120reminds me of tried to get my brother into tf2but he's not a sourceautist like me, and has only played his fair share of CSGOhe just got mad at the game and went back to playing overwatcha lot of valve games can be mechanically deep/interesting/satisfying, but are often not beginner friendly or accessibleexcept if you're like, the portal series or that one portal tech demo.
>>567856384Modern TF2 is an abomination and I cannot bring myself to play it anymore after about 2k hours in it, so I don't blame your brother at all. The game sucks ass now.
>Patch comes out>Dynamo buffs
>>567856679would immediately uninstall like there's no tomorrow until gabe newell beat yoshi over the ass with a ruler and made him nerf dynamo
>>567856645what'd they do it to it exactly? I haven't played it in the last year or so myself
>>567855516damn that entire venator paragraph is so zany i don't know if it's alchemist analysis or straight bait. EE is "broken" and that's why venator is bad, that's a pretty good oneditto for this one too >>567856120. rotations are a bit too fast and tanky dudes like shiv having a fuck ton of mobility and damage is bad, but basekit mobility is far from OPthis thread is bad for my sanity
>>567852961Does every gun hero buy glass cannon?
>>567856815venator is shit but not for those reasons, yeah
>>567853173
>Quantum Entanglement: Cooldown increased by 3 seconds>Quantum Entanglement T2: Now reduces the cooldown by 20 secondsHere are your nerfs bro
>>567855410>But you should still treat the game that you’re testing like it’s a full release though, even if it's technically EA; it's still the experience that people are going to get when they boot up the game at that momentnta but yoshi and icefraud are treating us like lab rats, our job here to suffer for 2 months screaming "NEEF DYNANIGGER, NERF VICNIGGER, BUFF GRAVES YOHSIIIIIIIIIIIII" just for yoshi to pop in after two whole months of fucking lolis in hawaii and say>sigh.......finnnnnnnneeeee>dyanmo gets +2s on his stomp CD>victor's ult now has it's old CD but he does double spirit damage to enemies and half the spirit damage to himself, also his gun does half damage now>graves gets 1 extra damage on her gun BUT the ult is nerfed again, the skulls are nerfd, the wall is nerfed and then give her 1 stamina :)And then they'll fuck off for 2 more months, obviously I'm exaggerating a little bit but you get the point, the game is in such a bad state that players play past eachother and rush the dumb retarded objectives that are made of cardboard, yet yoshi did nothing, the only reason yoshi JUMPED IN to get a hotfix was so he can force every eternus player to 50/50, why? it's so can more matches can be played so he gets his data, they're fucking around and their only goal is to "improve" the game very slowly and advertise it. we're basically cattle for them or more precisely you are, i fucked off back to league until the next update this game is CBT simulator
>>567856814It's just gotten increasingly bad over time, in terms of gameplay balance and performance. Sniper is still the most broken class in the game, Engineer is worthless, Heavy is unplayable on most maps, the matchmaker still puts parties on opposite teams, hats and cosmetics are hideous still.>>567856815>Another person trying to downplay Shiv being overpowered as fuckAlso Venator IS awful right now, because he doesn't have hybrid damage like all the other broken gun characters (Haze, Mirage, Wraith)
this patch is taking so long that I expect them to try the powercreep shit again instead of nerfing the problem heroes.
>>567856279just have to disagree i guess. cornerboosts are straight dopamine and edgeboosts massively add to the flow of movement, that shit feels goooooodit's like saying yeah rocket jumping is fun but speedshots aren't. shit doesn't compute
>>567857256>every character can now kill you with one bullet, and all equally have the same fast as hell firerate as each other>every character has 8000 HP>every character is fast as fuck and has stamina mastery built into their base kit>every abilities now deals a fuckton of spirit/melee/whatever damageCONGRATULATIONS YOSHI!!!!! YOU FIXED THE GAME!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU ICEFROG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>anon says while wearing his "WHEN EVERYTHING'S OP, NOTHING IS" t-shirt>"ICEFROG'S DESIGN PHILOSOPHY IS DA BEST PHILOSOPHY" can also be seen on the shirt
>>567857256I expect more buffs for Wraith, Mirage, and Calico that make them even more miserable to play against.I also expect zero real nerfs for broken characters like Shiv, Mina, Celeste, or Apollo, it will be shit like>Reduced scaling on Impaling Thrust by .1>Increased cooldown on Light Eater by 1 second>Reduced Serrated Knife DoT duration by .5 seconds>>567857268They really aren't all that interesting mechanically and only add to the movement in this game making it a huge mess, which is why the only way to kill people in this mess is to spam so much CC on them that they can't move at all. It's why people cry about Dynamo and Mo all the time, they disable the most obnoxious part of the game (movement) and make it so you just die.
>>567853602it's kinda funny how any negatives gained from purchasing Weighted Shots are immediately offset by just using the item and shooting someonethat's without mentioning the considerable damage boost, and debuff resist which is always fantasticfor the low price of 3,200 souls, the item is a bargain
>>567857476I'm glad people are starting to realize how horrible and unclear "just make everything op then it'll be balanced lol" is as a game design strategyit just perfectly and conveniently excuses any badly deigned kits (like shiv's) because "well, he's supposed to be op! everything needs to be OP! you want good game balance don't you? LUH-MAO! I guess not!!"
>Don't play the game for a month or two (only play Streetbrawl for like a month before that as well)>Come back and randomly decide to play>Placed in shit rank>Everyone is way better then me and raping my assYeah I think this game might just not be for me. Playerbase got too good.
>>567857180>downplaying shivit has to be bait, right? surely you're not that illiterate?the worst part is is that this doesn't even move the needle between "seeker" and "b8". it's still impressively equally ambiguous>>567857617yeah but allegedly no one ever touches the ground so how does dynamo ever hit themwait don't tell me you think people complain about dynamo for his ultfuck i'm starting to love fantasy deadlock tell me more about the version of deadlock that only exists in your mindooh i know, thoughts on parries?
>>567855516She also starts with the least amount of hp and needs extra health item to not her have her hp halved by one combo also her rake heals shit early into the game, that is if it's not on 16s cd since she just lost a trade. You still have to rely on healing troopers. Her 30s long CD on 2 pretty much removes her from a fight for that long and she can be easily punished if she doesn't position right it is lash, celeste and doorman you should be complaining about in terms of mobility. You can get out of the biggest bullshit with these three. With mina your only hope is to get on the building with her 2 cuz you are not outrunning anyone without stamina which you are supposed to keep track off during a fight. Her umbrella makes her the biggest red glowing target for everyone to look at and without it she also would instantly fall down to shit tierLastly, she has multiple counters in the game. Lash, bebop, kelvin, warden, rem, wraith just to name a few. Only issue is the lack of draft systemShe also is very dependant on movement tech which you can literally skip as a M1 and still get to eternus like metroI'm not saying she is not powerful but i'm so fucking tired of you people pretending like you can turn off your brain when playing as her. It is always people who haven't played her who cry about her the most, or people who one trick her and don't remember how badly they were getting raped at the start
>>567854396This faggot only knows ONE body type
I think when the game releases Volvo should add sexy skins but only give them to Ivy that would be funny as a joke haha.
>>567852143>>oh you wanted to win the game? sorry kid someone released a youtube video so now every ivy on your team is running the WORST BUILD KNOWN TO MAN and throwing the game as fast as possibleIt's that retarded tesla rush build isn't it
>>567857476True, then again he'll nerf 75% of the heroes and keep the 25% at S tier level of untouched, which is this current patch in a nutshell.
>>567858119it's that fucking cyrus guy innithe has such a terrible personality on livestreams, I fucking hate that guy
>>567858119YesWhatever highdocker is doing to win like that, 99% of people trying the build cannot replicate they all sucked dick
>>567857757I played Dota 2 for years and never really liked the design philosophy of 'lets just make everything OP' because it just ends up being a rotating set of like 5-10% of the cast being disgustingly overpowered compared to everyone else being just kind of okay.It never is 'lets make everyone OP', it's always 'lets make a couple of characters OP at a time so they become must-pick characters'.Right now Deadlock is in the same state with characters like Kelvin, Shiv, Celeste, Mina, Ivy, Pocket, and Silver being must picks due to how broken they are for one reason or another, with the rest of the cast ranging from 'okay' to 'unplayable'. Characters like Viscous are genuinely NOT playable because everything in their kit has been nerfed into being nearly useless. Puddle punch does no damage now and is only good for movement, cube and ult are okay, splatter is somehow their best skill now which is absurd.>>567857980See I knew you were going to say 'she has the least hp!' but that doesn't matter at all when you have 2-3 disjoints that also teleport you.The umbrella movement with Mina is busted because it lets her rotate to gank/run away way too easily, you aren't supposed to be using that in combat since it just makes you a huge target.>Rem is a counter to Mina>Bebop is a counter to Minanow I know you're downplaying Mina hard.She's extremely easy to play and has basically everything a broken character should have.>>567857910Dynamo hits people with his ult when they go to contest mid boss or the urn since those are the only objectives in the game that require you to be on the ground.
>>567858003but by god he's good at drawing itif anything it would be a waste for him to NOT draw bazongas with how good he does them, one of my favourite tit artistsmakes cute boys occasionally, too
>>567857674Weighted Shots is the closest we'll get to prismatic emblem currently.
>>567858371oh you DO think people complain about dynamo for his ult. ah the needle has moved and my curiosity has been satedthe alch will inherit the earth
>>567858584People complain about every part of Dynamo, including the heal somehow.
>>567858631because his fully upgraded 3 is retardedlike you get heroic aura with it, along with enduring speed, and you can zoom across the fuckin map
>>567858631this sure is a technically true statement
>>567858296It doesnt make any sense, rushing a 3k item is sus at best in lane but Ivy can heal 17% of her hp every 15 seconds if she goes healing booster now you never die in lane, but instead the strat is to get poked to death for 6 minutes so you can get tesla bullets that does what exactly, you don't heal extra with the shock, you have fuck all damage on your kuzu, ult, no hp it's just rarted.
>>567858371i've had it with this retard. Show your statlocker now
>>567858485He should stop being such a fucking kike and hiding behind thirty layers of paywalls
>>567858631yeah maybe the character with a massive hp pool one of the best escape tools that can pull people through fucking walls, the best ult in the game shouldn't have a heal that also increases his speed thats just retarded
I want to punch the game designer who thought giving mina A THIRD TELEPORT late game was a fun and balanced design choice.
>>567858937And she can use it while ulting :-)
>>567858736You also don't see his heal fully upgraded until the end of the game because it's the worst thing to max out.>>567858906I agree, Shiv shouldn't have the best sustain in the game on top of 3 spammable movement tools.>>567858937No bro you don't get it, it's totally balanced because uhh... Mina only has 2 stamina and bad HP. Even though neither of these things matter when she can teleport away from anything even remotely threatening. Or just buy resto locket and have 8 stamina (with stamina mastery)>>567858840Why, so you can try to nitpick that I am 'only' in Phantom 6 or Ascendant 1 or wherever my rank is now?
untermensch detected>>567858840he's some glow-in-the-dark german streetbrawl victor main. and, get this, unironically alchemist
>>567857126YOU JOKE BUT THIS HAPPENS OFTEN
>huh? What is it Drifter? You want less damage falloff? Yikes... Don't you know you're a close range hero? Sorry, you're just not supposed to deal damage beyond 1 meter.>ohhh hiii Dynamo! You want more damage for your weapon? Of course my little pumpkin uwu Everyone knows supports should be allowed to deal bullet damage, your kit alone isn't strong enough anyways.
Dynamo teleporting allies should be the T3 upgradeHolliday jumppads should explode like traps when enemies step on them
>>567857126>Shiv>Serrated knives DoT duration cut in half>Serrated Knives T2 Upgrade: Increases duration by 15 seconds
>>567858883that i won't argue against
>>567853173God imagine peeling that g-string off her puss and getting the stankiest cloud of horse musk right to your face
What is a good flower to associate Graves with? Victor is easy with white lilies but Graves is vexing me
>>567859530broomrape
>>567859158because every fucking take on heroes you shared reads like seeker complaining. Venator, dynamo - really? Show your statlocker or stfu already. I don't care about your stats i just wanna see who you fucking main at this point
>Mina can one shot the first t1 camps in lane with her rakeThe fact this is somehow still in the game after what, a whole year? is hilarious to meOne of the devs must be a waifufag.
>>567859530Rapeseed
>>567858631that's because every part of him is overtuned
>>567859683Or maybe it's just not that impactful?
>Good job MO you managed to ult someone and kill them under 4 sec here is 30 extra hp now fuck off for 95 seconds>YOU HIT A YELLOW STATUE? HERE IS 35 HP! 10 MORE ABOVE THE MID BOSS! YOU'RE A LEGEND MATE A FUCKING LEGEND
>>567859803stealing enemy camps with impunity while also healing is in fact impactful
>>567859803How is it not impactful
>>567859803you don't get it, that t1 camp is giving her a massive snowball potential
Epstein Rape Mina Creampie Sex 480p
>>567859904UHHH... A FREE SOUL ADVANTAGE AND HEALING... IS NOT LE IMPACTFUL IN LANE
>>567859836>Amazing, mission complete! That right there is why you're the best, Boss. The one and only!
>>567860047statlocker, how hard is it to link it?
>>567859803>Getting ~150-200 souls and healing for like 200 hp is not impactful at all during laning phase when you can do this every minute or twoMina downplayers are as bad as Shiv and Victor downplayers. >>567859641Sinclair is my main :)
>>567859683>>567860047I can't believe Pocket was going to get to marry this and have ballsdeep mating sex with this every night and instead the faggot faked his own death and fucked off to live in the sewers
Has mina ever been bad
>>567860270>he thinks mina would put outshe would immediately divorce him and take "her" half of fairfax
>>567860428It's early/mid 1900's not 2026, back then family dynasties still existed, those rich people marriage alliances would be sealed with multiple babies
>>567860174I can post my ingame rank and stats if you want.Am a billy one trick mainly, idk why it has victor and Warden high up in skill since I haven't touched them in 4+ months.
>>567860879>Am a billy one trick mainlyI feel your pain, I started playing Silver because at phantom there's at least a decent chance your team isn't fucking retarded.
>>567860398No, she has not ever been even 'just okay'. She's always been good or overpowered (currently overpowered) and her winrate has only been bad due to waifufags playing her and tanking it.>>567860174Here's a picture of my statlocker. I'm not linking it to some schizo on 4chan.Also I don't main anyone. I play Dynamo, Warden, Venator, Sinclair, Seven, Bebop, and I used to play Viscous but he's so bad that picking him is throwing now.
>>567861074I am a bit mixed of Silver, she's fun but if my team isn't doing shit then I feel like a meat shield. Dunno about you but I have around 100+ games on her, thankfully she's fine as a second pick to spice things up.If I actually one tricked her I'd go insane, WHAT DO YOU MEAN SEVEN IS AFK FARMING WHILE I'M CONTESTING/GRABBING URN
I turned on bloom and my FPS improved greatly, is this normal?
>>567861408Silver says she doesn't know what it's like being normal or a non-werewolf because she's always been oneDoes that mean she transformed a few times when she was a baby? Was there a baby werewolf version of Silver?
I have a 48% winrate in Oracle. That is because I am not good at this video game, but good enough that I help the good people out every so often. The one character I have a positive winrate on I don't want to play any more. Why do I do this to myself?
>>567861840What character is it? You can play someone like Seven and just focus on farming and pushing walkers as long as you have good map awareness and enemy prediction
>>567861408Silver and Billy are my most played at about 250 each, Silver is a lot easier to play at higher rank one your team stops being literal retards that don't know how to push objectives so at phantom she's at least playable.
>>567861227yet how do we know that it's actually your profile. woahhh hey look this is definitely me i now have unshakeable credentials to affirm you're retardedwindowed game, thread in background, skill rating tab, all time stats displayed. or fake and gay
Fucked my back hard and naproxen is barely numbing it.What hero should I pick just to be lazy.I just know during a teamfight im gonna fuck something up as soon as my back decides it had enough
>>567862572Victor
>>567862572Victor, he's still retard-proof and a free win since you can just run down objectives as him.>>567862205I'm not going to go through all those extra steps to prove to you that I am in Phantom.
>>567862137Have the opposite experience, but honestly you're probably right. I just suck dogdick at aiming. Billy has ruined me in that respect, spray and pray like a true goathead.I'll give her a proper try again, maybe I'll finally climb to ascendant... and become TRUE shitelo.Got any good silver builds?
>>567863090>Mina upplayers are this patheticEmbarrassing!
>>567863090i already knew you wouldn't because you're making shit up but it was worth a shotat least you made it clear that you're deliberately running though. -windowed -w 1280 -h 720 and opening snipping tool, so many hoops
Deadlock right now feels like one big game of 'Mom said it's MY turn to be overpowered/play the game' in terms of both hero balance and how the game itself actually plays.There are like 8 heroes at the moment that are incredibly overpowered compared to everyone else.Celeste, Mina, Shiv, Doorman, Silver, Mirage, Wraith, and Kelvin.On top of that, the way the game actually plays out is that the best way to fight people is just completely CC lock them so they can't do anything at all, because all of these characters have some sort of get out of jail free card (Except for Silver, sort of) that is so overpowered to the point that if you don't have 100% CC lockdown on these characters, they just leave and you aren't allowed to chase them.
>>567863519The only shit being made up is the arbitrary choices you have made to say whether or not someone's opinion is valid, only if they post their in-game rank. I am in Phantom, that isn't such an unbelievable statement that it requires more proof than what I posted. If I claimed I was a top 100 Dynamo player or something, that would require substantial evidence.
>>567863661>No pocketI know what you are...jk theres too many OP heroes to make a list on, lets be honest
>>567863860Ah fuck I forgot Pocket, mostly because playing him bores me to death.Yeah sorry it's more like one third of the cast are overpowered and everyone else sucks lmaoI tire of Icefrog's balancing, I played Dota 2 and it never worked out well in that game.
>>567863148I go hard on gun early and rely on ult for survivabilty with ult max first. Burst them in human form and if they survive kill them in ult and chain more kills.
>>567864147>People are waking up to ult maxGlad to see I wasn't completely cluelessWish me luck anon, will run it down
>>567863661>only 2 m1s in list of incredibly overpoweredretard
I hate how Venator needs to actually aim his ult, wait for long reloading animations, and it still deals no damage, instead of having huge AoE like Haze or even worse, AoE with silence like Mina.
>>567863661the actual root of the problem here is that there are WAY, WAY too many abilities that have little to no risk to pulling them off, but give you all the rewardholliday is actually well-designed, her kit is full of risk and reward, but there are too many other characters in this game that can just press a button and win many interactions rather easilyalso you uhh you forgot victor
>>567864283Slam fire max is fucking retarded, the bonus damage is meaningless.
>>567863810no it's the consistent low quality content of your posts that make it unbelievable that you're phantomthat's really the entire thing. it's just unbelievable that your peak rank isn't alchemist. it's just so incongruent
>>567864672>Mina>Celeste>Mirage>Wraith>Not M1 charactersJust because they get hybrid damage doesn't mean their guns aren't incredibly strong.That's also part of the problem, too many characters get hybrid damage for free so you can't itemize against them at all.>>567864817That too. Almost all the characters I listed have 0 risk associated with using their abilities. Celeste wins every trade for free, Mina has 3 disjoint teleports that cancel all abilities, hexes, and such aimed at her, and she always has Dispel Magic too since that item is busted.Kelvin is basically unkillable unless you outnumber him 3 to 1.Shiv is broken and should be deleted for being Victor with better range and way too much mobility.Wraith has an OP teleport and kills anyone in 1 second on top of having a free kill ult every minute.Doorman is obnoxious to play against, buggy, and a bad addition to the game.
gunslop killed deadlock
>add 2 charges to GutshotHere, I fixed Venator.
>>567865413>Anyone who has an opinion that differs from mine cannot possibly be good at the gamelol>>567865584>Able to lock down movement abusing faggots for a whole 2.5 secondsStill not enough to make him good desu
>>567858774Ivy can't die in lane even if she buys nothing. She can clear wave easily if she buys nothing.The idea is to get 4.8k as rapidly as possible, becuase the damage spike of Ivy's 4.8k with tesla is actually quite high.But it falls off very quickly, and I'm not sure what exactly you're meant to do with it. You can go around farming camps quickly?Bombs farm camps better and Ivy isn't a hyper carry so farming a shit ton doesn't actually do that much.
>>567865671
>>567865584they should remove his gun and give him a knights templar sword
>>567865736You farm and push since you basically cannot be run down as Ivy, you have insane mobility due to reduced gravity and your stupid-ass ult on a 60 second cooldown. You just rat every lane and then show up to fights and run down the least mobile person on the enemy team with your Tesla/Capacitor/Siphon bullets, and spam echo shard stone form.>>567865843>implying tf2 will ever be good again
>>567865671not a differing opinion. an incomprehensible total set of opinionsyou're still running
>open Deadlock>runs buttery-smooth for some reason>huh they must have optimized or something>open game mode menu>fps drops to 0.0005>PC fan goes on overdrive>over text???
>>567864720Aiming and "skill" is a meme, i agree with you but venator is just a dime a dozen in regards to that comparison.
>>567866080>source 2>running buttery smooth>ever
>>567866117>skill is a memewe're in the endgame now
Ok so im remaking this >>567823074And i want to consult the lorefags ITT>viscousHe's implied to be immortal, but at the same time he's just a glorified healslut with his cube being the most powerful feat he has, where should i put him? I feel like he's either going up there with victor or down there with ivy, speaking of>victorI feel like he's a little overrated, several characters comment on his body falling apart so realistically he wouldn't last long in a fight.>vindickta sinclair oathkeeperGenuinely don't know where to put sinclair, giest is probably above average competence, vindicta is either above average competence or powerful fighter tier>apollo yamato and wraithI feel like yamato should go down a tier since she was kicked out of japan, but some of her dialogue with venator implies she killed a lot of people and is a very competent fighter all around. Same for wraith i feel like her thing is STATUS and not actual fighting ability, apollo feels slightly more competent then wraith even though he's in the same boat since he's confirmed to have practiced under his dad who is a confirmed warlord
>>567866080The game started pre loading the map and if you do it with the game mode or g*d forbid hero selection menu up it locks the game up for a bit
>>567859235holiday jump pads should explode when holiday steps on it so she can stop being a boosted movement character
>>567865961>implying TF2 will ever be good againTF2 could be good if quickplay was added back, the workshop was disbanded and Jill was put in a brazen bull
>>567866331>viscousImmortal but not that dangerous, kind of unhinged as he doesn't understand the impact of his actions>victorjust a walking corpse with electricity and stink coming off him, a shittier Seven>vindictaA ghost with a gun, stronger than humans but not really that powerful, can probably be exorcised or something>sinclairSame>geist Normal human with mcguffing arm>apolloAbove average at best, just a douche with some skill>yamatoPsycho but not that powerful>wraithDumb bitch
>>567866287>dynamo gets to press 4 to AWSOME>victor doesn't even have to press 4, it presses itself for him so he can AWSOME>mina doorman M&K warden etc etcOk explain how it's not a meme when someone picks holiday sweats their ass off and i get to press 4 as mo and krill to just delete them. Clearly I'm not more skilled, I'm even laying back while they're jump bing bing wahoooing all over the place yet i still win, it's even worse when mina does it because holiday can't jump away or ult her out of her ult, I'm not even saying things should be like this I'm just saying that's how things are unfortunately
is it worth cross queueing to NA if I have 90 ping? is the teamwork any better? kinda fucking tired of how flip floppy games are in eu
>>567866029Anon, it's okay, there are people who have different thoughts than you do, and they aren't Alchemist players, they're actual good players in Oracle and Phantom and above!
>>567866847None of that is ever going to happen though. People have been complaining about quick play for literally 10 years and it hasn't been improved at all. Valve will just keep adding whoville tier workshop maps to the game and that's it.
What if you get knockdown on venator, then you could throw a trap and shotgun enemies into it
There has literally not been a real balance patch for a year. Everything is just:>woops that was kinda dumb to add>nevermind it's back>repeat
>>567867025I only queue NA if I'm playing deadlock during night EU hours, yeah generally speaking NA play 1-2 ranks tier worse than EU, better communication etc, more relaxed humorous people if it wasn't high ping I'd perma play there.>No way we're relaxed!If only you knew EU matchmaking
>>567867027concession accepted
>>567867175>dealing true gun damage in a meta where no one builds gun resist>the one gun resist item people build is plated armour and it cucks your stakesVenator wasn't built for the current meta
>>567866960Doorman ult does nothing on its own, usually it's about as powerful as pressing your mic button and saying "hey let's all focus this one guy and kill him"
>>567867027their opinions on-net are coherent and i can understand them and the rationale even if i disagree. yours aren'tstill running>oracle and phantom>actual goodthe biggest tell so far
>>567867679Yeah not to mention the changes to boons making spirit scale faster and m1 sidelane farmers less impactful. He's in such a cucked state I feel compelled to experiment more with builds if it wasn't for the death threats as soon as people see more than 4.8k spirit invest
>>567865413phantom isn't a high rank and the opinions of players there are not worth anything, only eternus 1 through 6 are real ranks
>>567868206Eternus players are all one tricks who will scream and cry if Shiv/Mina/whoever else is overpowered currently gets nerfed though.
>the only thing that holds me back from having a 100% winrate as ultslop mcginnis is having a good draftthis character might not get gutted right now but when they add draft I give her a week tops
>>567868206sure but even for phantom it's too wacky. it's unbelievable. and it's because he's actually alchoh look, another one. get what i'm saying? incoherent
>>567868206e5 is a clownshow anyone can get to. its just hours played like marvel rivals
>>567868461>eternus players complain about characters that are overpowered instead of GT or some shit like thatyes that's why their opinion has weight and yours does not, you don't even have the mental capacity to know what is actually powerful and what isn't
>>567868070Yeah Venator is basically unplayable right now. Anything he is decent at, Warden is better at, despite Warden's gun having terrible velocity... good thing that the devs just made Opening Rounds into a must-buy item on every single character!They really need to stop pretending that they can balance every character having a unique gun by giving some of them dogshit velocity or accuracy or something, bullet velocity is too important of a stat when everyone is able to fly around like a GMOD ragdoll with a bunch of rockets strapped to it.
SAY HIS NAME
patch status?
>>567868898You literally did not read the post.
I don't give a fuck what eternussies have to say
>>567868070I always wanted to build spirit venator but it's clearly stupid>need 200 spirit to get 24%/24% resists>only spirit scaling ability is the trap and the moment someone loses 1k hp to a trap everyone in the enemy team will start shooting them turning you into a glorified gravesI feel like if you're seriously trying it you should build hybrid. Tho there's potential since if someone is trapped you can throw another trap and shotgun them basically chain CCing them with immobilisation stun immobilisation, but that's no different then trying to explode 4 zombies on someone as graves, it's basically impossible to pull off against anyone with 2 brain cells and requires alot of set up
>>567859978>>567859803the reason people are so greedy for kills, boxes, and camps is because whoever gets ult first has a massive advantage over the other sideif you're being sarcastic about Mina getting the easiest t1 contest in the game then you don't know the game enough to talk about it
>>567868882you have to actively sweat and learn all the tech shit to even make ot to eternus, if you play casually you'll be perma stuck ascendant no matter how many hours you have, that's why there's such a huge gap between the amount of ascendant and eternus players
>>567869274i accept your concession alchemistbro
Now that the dust has settled, is trophy collector a good item (slop)
>>567869606Exactly, people are retarded and think Mina somehow doesn't have some of the strongest laning in the game when she has:>A better Infernus passive>Spammable sustain/wave clear with Rake>Two teleports that just say 'no' to any ability that isn't instantaneous. Good luck stunning her as Seven or Warden.>An ult that is just 'you get a free kill every minute'
>>567869059tranner
>>567869365you can also stack traps so they all deal damage at once, turning into a huge burst nuke. that obviously requires a setup so you'd have to lure people into a corner or something and vortex web them into the nuke. could be funny in shitlow
>be me>walking down the street at night>accidentally turn a wrong corner and enter an alleyway>ruffians corner me>get shot, stabbed and beaten>lie on the floor bleeding to death while they go through my pockets>this is it...>suddenly remember my name is Victor>suddenly remember I've existed for more than 2.1 minutes>say "I'm not finished with you yet">explode and start farting>mass casualty event>walk away
*shows up at your shrine with ult, rejuv, refresher, berserker and spellslinger*How do you respond without sounding mad
>>567869365The negligible amount of res spirit gives you is so odd, reminds me of sinclair movement speed.What's funny is that Hex Lined trap has one of the best spirit damage scaling in the game but you're not incentivized to utilize that at all.
>>567870435>I'm sorry you can't make it past alchemist
Removing the urn would save the game, but people aren't ready for this redpill yet.
Silence should prevent Victor from ulting
>he completely rantoo obvious, too ez
>>567870059You can do it in their jungle inside the hidden rooms>extend trap duration and build echo shard and such items>calculate how many you can consecutively have up at once >fill a hidden room with them inside the enemy jungle>when someone is near shoot them but hide inside the hidden room, maybe type "no balls" in all chat>watch as they enter and explodeMost likely you'll sit for 5 minutes just waiting for someone to come so this is a boring troll build imo, but like it would be funny if i saw a short with this build succeeding
>>567853173make her flat and with a bulge
>>567870102kino...
>>567870687Urn and rejuv are both awful objectives desu
>>567870687Urn is the greatest objective ever invented.
>>567870462>spirit damage scaling in the game but you're not incentivized to utilize that at all.Yeah he's heavily clearly geared towards being a gun carry, which i wouldn't mind if his gun builds worked with the current dogshit meta>The negligible amount of res spirit gives you is so odd,It's so he doesn't get cucked when he builds an item that gives 10 or 20 resist on the side
>>567870849>Lash>Saxton Hale>Hitler10/10 meme
>>567870435>Decay + healbane>Victor faggot shits himself and feed my teamvery nice
Alright it's done, is your main a giga rapist or a jobber ryonabait?
>>567870687>"comeback" mechanic>has a set timer so the team ahead can just camp it murder anyone trying to approach itBRAVO YOSHI
>>567871275healbane, decay, toxic bullets, inhibitor, rusted barrel, juggernaut, metal skin, disarming hexthere are many ways to counter a gun victor
>>567871604swap victor and drifter and put haze 1 tier above rest seems fine but i'd make a tier between powerful fighters and above average competence
>>567870687Coldest take I've ever fucking seen, m8.Almost no one here likes the urn. No one likes playing "deliver the urn the most: the game" and then winning instantly because of it.
>>567871604remgods we win again
>>567870849>spoilerbased
>>567871825It's just not a very fun objective to fight over. Comeback urns are also a complete joke and the entire urn system revolves around ensuring that you can dunk it as many times as possible before it becomes disadvantaged for your team to do so, and by that point you can just force mid boss and end the game.
>>567871604why is vyper at the bottom and rem at the top?if you get stamina mastery while maxing out her 3, she becomes downright uncatchable. If the enemy team gets slowing shit or whatever just get debuff reducer or warp stoneshe is one of the best m1ggers in the game (also the most fun one, too)
>>567870687Removing the soƴ rick and morty voicelines alone would be a massive improvement
>>567871604>Pocket with his magic case everyone wants is in human tier>Geist with her demon arm that sucks people to death is in human tier>Victor is a natural disaster when he just doesn't die if you kill him and electrocutes people
>>567872108it's a lore-accurate power tier list not a game viability tier list
>>567872071it might make matches longer, but at least the soul difference would be a lot more fuckin' closer than like... being down by 100k because the other team dunked urn constantly, regardless of elo or skill
>>567872108This is lore power not game power tier list
>>567872142shit take
>>567871825>>567872071>winning all the neutral objectives means you win the gamefirst moba?
>>567872142they're the only good part of the urn
>>567872341Nowhere did I say anything to the contrary. I said it isn't fun to fight over, because it isn't. It's a boring objective.
>>567872341this is the equivalent of saying>>urrraaaghhh THE MOVEMENT MECHANICS SUCCKKKK>first hero-shooter?your nothingburger reply does not stop the urn from being an objectively shit mechanic that makes the game less fun by design
>>567872341>every moba must be as shit as the last one, with all of the shitty mechanics copied and pasted from another mobagrim mindset, friend
>>567871604Pocket is some sort of sewer frog zombie, The Lash is a veteran pit fighter, Geist has killed many people to extend her lifeVictor is too powerful, it's just Frankensteins monster, I think the ritual enhances the powers of the fighters temporarily so it's not like he keeps respawning outside of it.
>>567872618The movement mechanics in deadlock also make the game worse, more specifically retarded shit like corner/edge boosting and IAD. Just remove all the stuff that is basically bug abuse and leave things like mantling in.
>>567872930its been in the game over 2 years they're arent removing it
Knocking the urn out of someone should make it fly around like a bouncy ball, also the voice actor should be a cute girl instead moaning that you shouldn't make her souls spill souls in front of everyone, all the voice line ought to be worried you're gonna kidnap her instead of delivering her safely
>urrraaaghhh THE MOVEMENT MECHANICS SUCCKKKK>urrraaaghhh THE MIDBUFF MECHANIC SUCCKKKKS>urrraaaghhh THE URN MECHANIC SUCCKKKKS>urrraaaghhh THE ARTSTYLE SUCCKKKKS>urrraaaghhh EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS GAME SUCCKKKKS>but im still gonna keep playing it and posting about it though
>>567872840I think shiv belongs in overpowered natural disasters tierthere's a lot of implications from other characters that shiv used to be terrifying as fuck, but is handicapping himself before, or around the time the ritual's startingdoorman being below dynamo doesn't make a whole lot of sense (unless there is no specific ordering here and it's just tiers). It's insinuated that doorman is holding back immensely a lot of the time, even if he isn't as strong as he used to be according to the patrons voicelinesrem belongs in epstein tier, yeah>>567872930I like this game having its own form of autistic wavedash, l-cancelling tech shit. I think they should at least make it slightly easier to perform edgeboosts, but that's about it.
me when i play the character "seven" on daedlock lol
>>567869059>tfw trapper's gun was still better than current pocket's gun that achieves three hundred gorjillion nigger dps by buying swift striker and cult sacIf trapper and slork were still in the game they would have an 80% winrate followed by nerfs so hard they'd be our first 30% winrate characters.
urrraaaghhh VYPER SUCKs MY COCK
>>567873410
>>567873332r/DeadlockTheGame is down the hall, and to your right. You can't miss it.
>>567873528imagine she sucks you off while sliding around you
urrraaaghhh MY FAVORITE MYSTIC SUCCKKKKSSSSbut im still gonna keep playing xim and posting about it though
>>567873410>>567873564???
>>567873610ad hominem
>>567873710diddy blud left bamboozled ahh by SIX SEVEN SIX SEVEN SIX SEVEN
>>567873384I don't like the game having these things since it just adds more unnecessary but required actions to play the game normally. Either simplify the execution of these retarded mechanics or remove them, they simply aren't fun to do.
Imagine being mid coom and Vyper petrifies you
>>567872489>>567872618can you think of an objective that's fun to fight over in a way that urn isn'tif you say rejuv i'm blowing my brains out>>567872764i don't know, i think having a neutral objective that confers an advantage while not being the game-ending power-push one is a good idea. i think having something to fight over with decent frequency and reward is a good thing. i think having a means to exploit temporary advantages and turn them into more permanent ones is completely necessary for the game to functioni don't think the issue with urn has anything to do with its macro purpose. if anything i feel like the biggest issue is that the advantage feels too vague/abstract even if it's obviously objectively powerful
>>567873925Billy…
>>567873679stop trying to make mystic happen its not going to happen
>>567873825If you think this place is just hollow nigger monkey shit-flinging complaining completely lacking in substance, by all means, go to the subreddit where literally every fucking discussion post has 0 upvotes where the top comment is "heh. shows ur rank!!! I'm eternus btw" and some random ass yuri paige fanart has a million upvotes instead
>>567873897>simplify the executionwhat, like literally press button get free movement?what execution is there to even struggle with lmao
>>567874080non sequitur, argument by assumption, hasty generalization
>>567873648the 360 turbo SUCK!
>facing gun victor>warn team>team tells me victor is easy just buy healing reductionwhat the fuck are these people on, are they living under rocks?
>>567874064Champions are the better name since they're representing a patron may my balls shrivel and die should I lie I only ever played like 3 matches of league ever but the name is more appropriate for the mystical cultists
>>567874238Make it obvious when you can actually do them, make it much clearer what counts as a corner or an edge instead of having to check to make sure every single structure is an actual edge and not a bevel, the list goes on. Deadlock already has huge problems with being a visual clusterfuck, the least they can do is make it clearer when you can do some things.
>>567874262What mystic would Socrates main
heh.....the more i play this game....the more i see myself in seven.....im smarter than everyone i meet....im filled with hatered.....i wear a comically large wide brimmed hat.....this is who i really am.....
>enemy vyper pov
>>567874262If you wanted to be pedantic while buzzwording logical fallacies, sure. A million upvotes for you.HAVE MY REDDIT GOLD GOOD SAAR!!!
>>567874538he was greek so rem
>>567874538graves (bunny skin)
>>567874560sigh... just another day playing seven. or whatever.>I walk a lonely road>The only one that I have ever known>Don't know where it goes>But it's home to me, and I walk alone
>>567874519yeah that should be the case actuallykinda loose connection to execution but i'm not gonna nitpick
>>567874560At first I was wondering why he hated Kelvin so much... Then I wondered why doesn't the entire world hate him.. Heh.. Sorry got a bit carried away... It's a.. Shocking experience to most...
only shiv and bebop can jerk off they need to fix this asap
>>567874657false attribution, affirmative conclusion from a negative premise, ad hominem again
>>567874826seven is like the samurai straw-hatted "xX_assassin47_Xx" username spy of this game
>>567874560>load into a match of deadlock>your seven hops on mic and tells everyone he's the rick friend>load out of a match of deadlock
>I'm nearing the point of having to provide concession, at haste, to the jeet image folder!
you're argument:>well crafted and logicalmy argument:>you are indianwho wins here?
>>567875359yuri*
yo imagine a hero whose ult turns your character into an indian permanently for the rest of the game
>>567875359you are*
>>567874657seethe
>Victor on enemy team>THEYRE ATTACKING OUR SHRINES
>>567875117You do realize that using fallacy labels as a shield doesn't actually disprove or prove any of your statements, it just makes you look like a retard who's desperately trying to look smart.yeah, I could google search whatever logic in a person statements and throw labels at them, but using those labels without actually engaging in conversation would be no better than me saying "nigger faggot, nigger faggot, nigger faggot" as a reply.if (You)'re just wanting to troll, by all means go ahead, but I'm not gonna continue this conversation if you're just gonna make it retarded anyway
>>567875334dafuq
>>567872341>first moba?It's the first moba where positioning doesn't matter because everyone can zoom across the map, vision doesn't matter because both objective give the enemy team true sight or a sound cue, and alos the first moba where there's infinite farm on the map with no inherent terrain or map advantage incentivizing players to play a farming simulator instead of interacting
>>567875876Can anyone tell if this anon is being serious or not
>>567876115blame no patch, least people are creative but horny creative. Tragic.
>>567876192>tf2troonis that a rhetorical question? yes hes assmad
>>567873384>unless there is no specific ordering here and it's just tiersThere isn't, everyone in the same tier is around the same level
>>567874993I'm not asking for a big popup that goes 'PRESS SPACE TO CORNER BOOST NOW', I'm just asking for like... I dunno, make the character glow for a little bit when it's the right time to do it. The game can't be such a visual mess while requiring such precise movement mechanics that are also so inconsistent to execute.
>>567876306The engineer reaction image really does sell it as being genuinely retarded I pray for his soul
>>567876345or make the sound more fucking apparent than a small "whoosh" sound that's not very distuingishable
>>567876201>no patchnah, the guy who made it already has one for doorman, paradox, viscous, warden, venator, and abrams. he's about that life
>>567876430Yeah you're never gonna notice that sound in an actual game, you only notice it in the practice range, and even then it's super quiet.I genuinely do not like most of the 'advanced' movement mechanics in the game desu, reminds me too much of Smash Bros Melee and the hyper-autistic bug abusing in that game that people went 'n-no it actually makes the game more deep!' even though all it did was make only like 4 characters total playable...Which is pretty much the same state that Deadlock is currently in. Only the hyper-mobile hyper-tanky characters are viable lmao
Where do you think deadlock will be in the next few years, /dlg/? Why do you think so?
>>567873332>>urrraaaghhh THE /dlg/ MECHANICS SUCCKKKK>>urrraaaghhh THE /dlg/ discussion SUCCKKKKS>>urrraaaghhh EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS general SUCCKKKKS>>but im still gonna keep posting in here instead of reddit
>>567807692She stops existing after 15 minutes so just wait her out.
>>567871604Isn't Ivy on the Natural disaster tier?i remember all characters speak of her like she is insanely strong and even Lash and Seven respect her for her power.plus she basically defeated every single villain in New York
>>567876731>Where do you think deadlock will be in the next few years, /dlg/?Lots of ryona romantic toxic angst yuri between silver and hollidayLots of futanari porn of silver and celesteThe occasional hag porn of giest after oathkeeper VN is released Lots of agegap yuri and some ugly bastard rape of gravesHardcore gore featuring dirfter and rem(he's doing the goreing)
Sex with Billy no homo
>>567876731I expect lots of sfm porn of Abrams, Lash, and Venator
>>567877247>It's not why I turned my dick into a goat's, but it's a hell of a perk
>>567876731I expect the game to be dead desu, the devs are making it worse with every single patch.
>>567864903>Does bonus damage based on current health if you land all 3 shots>Landing all 3 shots means the target is already half HP so current HP damage is worthlessTruth nuke. Ive always been maxing boot kick > Ult > Bola > Slam Fire
When are they adding Eron Islesion from Dota 2 to Deadlock?
>>567877048>Isn't Ivy on the Natural disaster tier?Seven is basically a living nuke that killed the most powerful glowies who were all sent specifically to kill him in a huge coordinated execution featuring several nationsIvy is a vigilante like batman that fought a one woman war against a powerful crime syndicate and won, they're not the same>lash and seven respectlash isn't powerful, seven respects her doing what she wants(muh freedom) and ignoring the useless glowies who let mindoza run wild, he even states that if she tries that shit with him he'll zap her, he does the same shit with holliday seven is honestly pretty chill with holliday ivy and others but is not above charring them>>567872157>>567872840You could've stated that when i was asking for feedback a couple of posts back, either way QRD on pocket's case? Having a mcguffin isn't enough to kick you up, see abrams and his book + muh superior ixian genes
>>567876158>completely differentI might be over-analyzing, but it's kind of like how a lot of indie-content (indie shows, animation, games) has subversive material in it that's meant to make it more "original". But people point out how that subversiveness, when you see enough of it across the span of media, becomes annoying because you start to notice a pattern of the creator trying to differentiate themselves, and carve out their identity for their content. But the irony is that indie content can be creative enough on its own to be original without the subversiveness. "Originality", when you grind it down to its elements, is still a re-hash of something before, but customized and varied enough to look different from what inspires it; layers upon layers of variation and ideas that help separate it from other creative media. Hell, even the style or method of executing ideas can help with originality, or the "sincerity" of indie content. I think this is part of where the complaints about "indieslop" originate, but it's still better content usually than the out-of-touch AAA shit that is usually hot-shit, or half-baked shit.Valve is creating a very unconventional Moba game, with a lot of hero-shooter ideas and mechanics borrowed from their other titles. But, the moba and hero-shooter combination make it quite a unique game off the bat. The movement mechanics definitely make it more different. It's really not like a lot of other mobas out there, for better or worse.
>>567876430>>567876703woosh applies only to cornerboosts, the ones that launch you upwardsand it's very, very distinctive. both the sound and the result. you notice it eveytime. it should be a unique sound though. but not because it's hard to tell if you hit itedge boosts as well should definitely have an audio cue. it's silly they don't. that's kinda all you'd need to help players train to hit them too. i mean you get a feel for it and start instantly intuitively recognizing if you hit it. but still. cuts down on the early learning struggles
>>567877971Seven only respects the truly powerful, and he respects Ivy. That also means a lot given how much of a living nuke he is
How is grey talon meant to play?I wander around and shoot arrows at people, throw birds when it feels like I can help a fight, but it feels low impact.
>>567878251I honestly think they should just remove them entirely and make everyone have Stamina Mastery built into their base kit.
