>>568035316
>Then Piccolo Jr stopped being evil enough to be a Mazoku and just became a regular Namekian again, which I guess default to warrior clan since dragon clan are rarer.
I guess that can explain it.

>>568035480
>Boruto is terrible but it’s somehow able to stay alive in Japan
Brand recognition is one hell of a drug.

>>568035772
Why are so many people convinced Freeza only reigned over the galaxy?

>>568036083
Because him reining over the universe shrinks Dragon Ball's world by a metric shitton. But that's Toriyama for ya, haha...

>>568036046
This
Some people even miss GT, not because it was good but because they watched as children and/or is DB. Burrito only works because it's build over Naruto, Bakugan didn't work because it has nothing.

>>568036234
That doesn't explain anything.

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Part 1 of Legends Fest. Broly is amazing.

Also I think this is the best DBS Broly's looked outside of FighterZ. He works best when you portray him as a rabid out of control monster that needs to be put down, not just in his attacks and voicelines/screams, but his idle animations, his transformation sequences, his posing, his win screen and Legends conveyed that perfectly. I don't think Sparking Zero or Xenoverse did a good job at even portraying it in their attack animations for him.

Also a modern Dragon Ball game can only be at its visual best when they're allowed to go crazy with model deformation and camera angle/perspective tricks like FighterZ does. Sparking Zero and Legends both shine bright when they do that.

>>568036818
Why did it take them 8 years to make a character that transforms twice? SS3 Goku is basically asking for it.

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>>568036818
>Samefagging here
Nothing really to say for Gogeta. I don't understand why they didn't take the game-original attack he did in Dokkan, they even had the perfect opportunity to do so when they added the dimension thing. With how high quality Broly is, I think it makes sense that he may have put a bullet in their budget

Gogeta being an ultra also means they may start doing second ultras which I'm also not crazy about. I do think movie 8 Broly and SS4 Goku kind of deserve it though because they had boring animations and slightly touched-up models for theirs and deserve better.

>>567931350
>>567931583
Anon from yesterday that asked, thanks for responding, that was interesting to read. You guys sure got up to some pretty out there stuff.

>>567931363
>which's why I liken Kato to Clayman.
I think I can see why.

So what do we think, will the remaining SZ characters be mostly returners, newcomers or will they keep the balance? My prediction is 36 characters total with the remaining ones being Pilaf Machine (both forms), Chi-chi (flip a coin for kid Chi-chi returning or adult Chi-chi debut), Vados, GT Goten (base and SS), Kibito and Hatchiyack

>>568038792
Probably returners and the missing DBS guys.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/49701808/chapters/125855470
Chapter 4
>Goku's personality took a little weird turn. He's all chummy with Naruto because he was asked to, which kinda goes against his free spirit personality
>Kushina not raising Naruto is just stupid, even worse that she for some reason hasn't been visiting him lately. Naruto could easily still be lonely even if he has a better home life
>Goku/Naruto/Sasuke having a free-for-all fight where Naruto and Sasuke teamed up against Goku, knocked him out of the ring, then Sasuka casually just kicks Naruto away from the ring and declaring himself the winner like a chuuni was hilarious
>Story is implying a Goku/Ino ship, but they really don't have much chemistry

The fanfic talk was fun. Don't hesitate if anyone has any to share.

>>568040826
>Goku's personality took a little weird turn. He's all chummy with Naruto because he was asked to, which kinda goes against his free spirit personality
Yeah, sometimes there's some weird angles to stuff but honestly I can't see Goku minding making a friend.
>Story is implying a Goku/Ino ship, but they really don't have much chemistry
Yup, that's something I noticed too, even if I hope I didn't influence your perception of the relationship by mentioning it earlier.

>>568041094
>Yeah, sometimes there's some weird angles to stuff but honestly I can't see Goku minding making a friend.
He wouldn't mind making a friend, but he aggressively interacted with Naruto until they became friends, partially because he was told to, and friendship with Goku is more like, you stay near him long enough and he'll call you a friend. In DBS he even bailed on playing with Zeno because he wasn't interested in doing so. It would make more sense if Kushina showed up and had them hang out until Naruto became friendly with him.

>even if I hope I didn't influence your perception of the relationship by mentioning it earlier.
You just mentioned it was weird, but I waited until I saw it to judge. The way Ino is being written here is similar to Bulma in how she's an occasional opportunist (Such as the pinky swear), which's odd for Ino's original personality since she's like a girlier and nicer Sakura. Worse is that with her being writen closer to Bulma, she lacks the hilarious chemistry Bulma had with Goku in the OG manga. It's something that can improve but right now I'm not impressed. Had that "Don't eat me!" moment happened with Ino instead it'd work better (And IMO, reacting dramatically like that feels a little more Ino flavored than Sakura).

>>568041927
>It would make more sense if Kushina showed up and had them hang out until Naruto became friendly with him.
That's a very good point.
>Had that "Don't eat me!" moment happened with Ino instead it'd work better (And IMO, reacting dramatically like that feels a little more Ino flavored than Sakura).
Yeah, now that you say it, Sakura would be more likely to react aggressively like she does when Naruto messes with her. She also tend to not take seriously anything she consider bizarre at this point in the story.

>>568042187
>Yeah, now that you say it, Sakura would be more likely to react aggressively like she does when Naruto messes with her.
And the way Ino grabbed Goku's tail in chapter 4 while telling him to not start a food fight is a little closer to how Sakura would act if she knew of the tail weakness (Even then, that'd still be too aggressive, as Sakura would at least wait for him to start it to scold him). Ino feels more like an OC, which happens often enough in fanfics (Sometimes even in official media), specially love interests, so I'm not surprised. A little disappointed, but not surprised.

>She also tend to not take seriously anything she consider bizarre at this point in the story.
Ino or Sakura? Well, either way they're not reacting much to Goku after chapter 3 aside from his pranks (And him being a prankster stealing lunch and money from teachers is pretty damn odd too).

>>568043803
>Ino or Sakura?
Sakura. A big part of why she's so dismiss toward Naruto at the start is her MASSIVE normalfag complex IMO. Ino honestly doesn't have that much characterisation.
>Ino feels more like an OC
True but sadly that's kinda hard to avoid when you expend on most of the Naruto cast.
Yeah, I didn't get the 'Goku is a prankster' thing either but it almost never come up so I shrugged it off as 'Goku being Goku but people see it as a prank'.

>>568044285
>Ino honestly doesn't have that much characterisation.
Yeah she got sidelined pretty quickly after her fight with Sakura. All that we have of her personality is her crush on Sasuke, her being a bitch to Sakura because of said crush, IIRC she was annoyed by Naruto's antics once, but otherwise she's friendly (She's the one who comforted Sakura back when she was bullied), girly, if occasionally vain, only shows minor annoyance to Shikamaru and Choji's antics, and according to one filler scene, wants big tits. Remove the crush on Sasuke and she's almost a blank slate, yet this fanfic changed the few traits she has.

>Yeah, I didn't get the 'Goku is a prankster' thing either but it almost never come up so I shrugged it off as 'Goku being Goku but people see it as a prank'.
IMO it'd make more sense if this was Naruto influencing Goku into it as a way for them to mess around, that way it could have Goku being innocent and unintentionally annoying to the villagers, but the story implies they planned it together.

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Kid Goku's spotlight trailer for Gekishin Squadra is out
https://x.com/i/status/2058387829450031415
>Passive allows him to dash around immediately after a skill
>Skill 1 is Kamehameha with a Shockwave that damages enemies
>Skill 2 is Power Pole Extend that pierces enemies
>Skill 3is Rock, Scissors, Paper. 3 hit combo that applies Defense Down, Shrinks Field of View, and AoE with stacks for duration.
>Ult is the Great Ape Punch
He looks pretty fun. Skill 3 might be trouble.

>>568053805
>English localization
>Using Kinto'un and Nyoibo
That's cool honestly.

>>568053805
>>568054082
He looks very fun. I didn't expect him to always be on Kinto'un and to have the Oozaru punch as a less obnoxious Ryuken.
I love how his kamehameha looks.

>>568054082
>Using Kinto'un and Nyoibo
This game prefers Japanese terminology for character names. Majuub is Super Uub, Kid Buu is Pure Buu, Kid Goku is Goku Youth.

>>568054082
Feels wrong for me. Power Pole and Nimbus all the way.

>>568054506
I think it's for the best. Would be cool if they could unlocalize the attack names like Dragon Fist, Spirit Bomb and ESPECIALLY Destructo Disk. The first two at least are literal translation but the disk is just goofy. Same for Piccolo's SBC.

>>568054693
>Power Pole and Nimbus all the way.
Those names make no sense tho.

>>568054991
Maybe so.

Hot take: I don't like Goku Jr. The whole 'Oh, he doesn't even remember he fought the bad guy or had powers and think he got saved by the bear mom while passed out' makes no damn sense with how anything work in DB.

>>568055526
It kinda fits, with how Gohan couldn't remember getting mad at Raditz and hitting him before he learned to control his powers

>>568055661
That was for one attack tho, not a whole transformation and fight.

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>>568053805
>Another zoner Goku
Are these devs for real? This game has 5 Gokus, and four of them are zoners now, and Teen Goku of all characters as a zoner too? He should either be a tank, or a DPS with plenty of HP like Dabura. Anyways...
>His passive is similar to Kefla's. Might be even better for quick use or in 1vs1 since it's after a skill is used. You'll really want Defense Step with him
>S1 seems similar to Piccolo's S1, with it doing more damage the further the range
>S2 looks really linear and slow. It'd need to hit pretty hard to be worth upgrading
>S3 might be a pain in the ass. Two defense debuffs and Blind when he uses Scissors. Because of his passive, he can just use this once and dash away. If the devs went full retarded (Meaning, not impossible), then each use refills his vanish meter, giving him 3 dashes.
>The ult can be useful for mobility, create distance

>>568056056
Given that they have a weird 'Versions of characters will always be in the same category', they're probably making them zoners on purpose.

>>568056221
they mentioned characters would be role swapped after the first batch, whatever that means
probably meaning Tech Goku UI, DPS Bejita Blue, and Tank Orange Piccolo

>>568056421
Would be cool, it'd be funny to make a full Goku team or a full Buu team.

>>568056647
>full Buu
would be funny but I don't think we have enough Buus
Super Buu + Buutenks or Buutenks + Buuhan is likely a transformation, and then because Kid is Tech we'd need another 2
Evil Buu would be funny but unlikely

It's actually insane how good Kid Buu (still) is over the other Techs. I'm a F2P who just came back at the tail end of last season and just had enough memories to hit my next tier 1 after a few days, and if I didn't have Kid Buu idk how I'd rank up to S. After reaching A3 with an 80% winrate, I played around with the other techs like my favorite Good Buu, 17, and Gotenks, and holy shit they just can't compete. It makes no sense that Kid Buu not only deals way more damage than them, but is way TANKIER than them as well. Genuinely what the fuck, why did they make the other Techs so dogshit? And Frieza's rocks skill dictates the flow of the game. It's crazy.

Good Buu should be reworked into a Tank and Baby could be reworked into a Tech.

>>568056221
We only really have characters being part of the same role, but other repeats have been more flexible. SS4 Vegeta is an insanely defensive tank that can kill you in a few seconds if he gets you near a wall, and SSG Vegeta is a squishier tank with faster healing as his passive and a teleporting ult, and then there's fat and kid Buus, who play nothing alike. While the zoner Gokus have different kinds of zoning (Daimaku by throwing one explosive skill you can detonate with another skill and S3 to move if someone gets close, 3ku by being a slower charged one with teleports and an amazing ult, Godku being a Dot god, and OGku by being a poke and run), it's still weirdly repetitive of how much he's zoning, when Goku in general prefers to fight face to face. It'd be ironic if they add a GTku who isn't a zoner...

>>568058116
>It makes no sense that Kid Buu not only deals way more damage than them, but is way TANKIER than them as well.
The only balanced skill on his kit is S2. If he manages to hit you with it you're probably dying because of the stun, but if he misses, he has a really long recovery.

>why did they make the other Techs so dogshit?
It's not even that the others are that bad, more like kid Buu gapes techs that much. Of thers you mentioned you played with, 17 is the best one, but even he can't compete with how good Kid Buu is. It's ridiculous that Kid Buu's S1 had its damage cut by half (no exaggeration), and he's still a really strong character. Godgeta is in a similar position compared with other tanks, and I usually see people not even asking for him to be nerfed again, but to buff the other tanks to his level, since tanks aside from him are suffering (Though, Caulifla is still good).

>>568060073
>Good Buu should be reworked into a Tank
That would be nuts, to have a tank with respectable damage who can also heal you. He'd be doing Baby's thing better than Baby.

>and Baby could be reworked into a Tech.
He would benefit from going to top lane...

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>>568057308
It's HIS turn.

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It's been a while, how fares the times

>>568055526
>Hot take: I don't like Goku Jr.
How is that a hot take? GT itself is widely disliked and then 100 years after is disliked by even most GT fans

>>568066143
People gave up on Sparking Zero, XV3 is driving some people crazy, xv2 is getting it's last dlc (possibly this week going by the past), FighterZ is on life support, 21posting is still in, everyone wants to fuck female majins, tailpulling is at an all time high, female goku/gohan/trunks/zamasu sightings are up unfortunately, The new idol is gaining popularity, Boss is worried we might not visit, and Towa and Arinsu are apparently whooping it up in hell

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>>568070609
I know what will fix this: we complete the rise of genderbent Son family with an injection of Female Goten.

>>568036359
I miss GT because it was good though.

>>568067778
You're living in a retarded social media bubble if you think a show that continues getting new content 30 years after it ended is "widely disliked".

GT glazer still can't stand hearing anyone say that it wasn't good.

>>568072851
>the only retarded argument is muh someone
And? That literalwho has no power, GT will continue getting new content in XV3 and beyond lol

All the seethe amounted to noting. "Muh Super will replace GT, muh Daima will replace GT"
...
neither has replaced it.

>>568070931
No, do not do this!

>>568072907
Okay Mr. Thought Police.

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>>568072968
It will help balance things.

why is tail pulling up? Did something crazy happen like xenoverse 3 confirming your CAC can have a tail if they are saiyan or did the puller just get horny recently

>>568074862
I mean we did see a Saiyan with tail in the trailer...

>>568070609
>People gave up on Sparking Zero
I'm way more hyped for the SZ expansion than Xenoverse 3

>>568074862
Its gotten so bad tailpulling has made its way into other games, allegedly

>>568073541
NAIL! YOU'VE GOT. MAIL!

>>568054082
Not in this instance, since the English dub is still using Flying Nimbus and Power Pole. This game's localization feels like the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. Some things use dub terms, other things original terms, it's a jumbled mess. They really should have it where, if you switch to English audio, it uses English terms, and if you switch to Japanese audio, it uses Japanese terms. As it stands now, there's just a huge disconnect on the English audio side of things. Though to be fair, people who play in Japanese are probably used to this feeling.

>>568089239
i both can and can't see the nose

>>568089395
Fun fact that's how it works with your own nose too

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Dragon Ball Manga

>Dragon Ball Kanzenban v01-34, Neko Majin v01 (Raw Scans) (Japanese) - 34 volumes
https://nyaa.si/view/1933107

>Dragon Ball English Kanzenban Project (Currently Volume 10 of 34)
https://bsky.app/profile/tuxedotime.bsky.social

>Dragon Ball release chronology
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_release_chronology

Dragon Ball DVDs - Color Corrected Dragon Box

>Dragon Ball
https://nyaa.si/view/1691912
>Dragon Ball Z
https://nyaa.si/view/2057751
>Dragon Ball GT
https://nyaa.si/view/1838093

Dragon Ball Super (takes place some time between manga chapters 517 and 518 / DBZ #288 and #289)

>Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods (2013)
https://nyaa.si/view/1420876
>Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F (2015)
https://nyaa.si/view/1422758
>Dragon Ball Super Anime (2015 - 2018)
https://nyaa.si/view/1493140
>Dragon Ball Super Manga (2015 - 2024)
https://nyaa.si/view/1965793
>Dragon Ball Super Broly (2018)
https://nyaa.si/view/1954784
>Dragon Ball Super Super Hero (2022)
https://nyaa.si/view/1905937

One more bonus

>Dragon Ball Z Kai
https://nyaa.si/view/2006263

>Dragon Ball DAIMA (takes place some time between manga chapters 517 and 518 or DBZ #288 and #289)
https://nyaa.si/view/2005548

Dragon Ball Z 4K scan

>Dragon Ball Z Movie 7 - Reel 1 (35mm 4K Scan)
https://nyaa.si/view/1869569
>Dragon Ball Z (DBZ) - Movie 9 - Reel 3 - 4K Scan
https://nyaa.si/view/1761204

Coming Soon

>Dragon Ball Z Fusion Reborn 4K Scan
https://x.com/nappasan

>Dragon Ball Super Kai

Notes

>Tankōbon or Kanzenban?
Kanzenban is bigger than the Tankobon and have better quality paper.

>DBZ or DBZ Kai?
Dragon Ball Kai takes the actual footage from the Dragon Ball Z TV series (which ran in Japan from 1989 to 1996), remasters it in high definition, and cuts out an average of half the material (generally “filler”). A new musical score has been provided by Kenji Yamamoto, and a new English dub

>>568067778
Goku Jr is generally one of the only parts people defend.

>>568092357
Thanks for sharing

>>568092357
>DBZ or DBZ Kai?
you forgot to mention the remasters are done in MS paint

>>568092357
I'm glad that fans took it upon themselves to edit the Kenji Yamamoto score back into Kai after ((they)) removed it.

>>568070609
>everyone wants to fuck female majins
The female majins exist because majin buu was reading porn. Those bitches are made for sex.

Bump

>>568073161
I don't want to think about Goten that way...

>>568066143
Same as usual

>>568054861
just watch subbed, then. if you're going to translate to English, actually do it. absolutely hate "according to keikaku" bullshit, it's not more authentic, it's just pedantry.

>>568070931
>no Gotenks

>>568106598
>Translate into english
>And it's just pulling random shit out of your ass.
Kienzan in no way translate to Destructo Disk, retard.
Good luck having your lead character be called 'Awakening to Emptiness' all the time too.

>>568106598
>absolutely hate *something good followed by negative buzzword*
You use words like a woman.

>>568108232
there's a limit of believability when it comes to trolling.

>>568107904
notice how I didn't say "they should use the current dub names". do you reckon there might be a reason for that? I choose my words deliberately.

>>568108420
And it's very believable you're an effeminate retard.

>>568108420
>It's cool they're not using the retarded dub names, hope they remove more retarded dub names, especially those even more retarded ones
>Just watched subbed then! Muh translation! You're pedantic!
>This is retarded and not an actual translation and just translating stuff when it clearly doesn't need to would lead to goofy exemple like Goku being called 'Awakening to Emptiness'.
>I wasn't saying the dub is good!
Why did you start crying about me saying the dub terms are retarded then?

Translating Nyoibo or Kinto'un would be like translating Excalibur, it make no sense. 'Arthur and his legendary sword, Hard Cleft' is insanely lame.

>>568109010
Unironically, people who translate Jeanne D'Arc's name as Joan of Arc deserve the rope. That was literally not her name.

>>568108838
>strawmen
all I said was if you're going to translate something, translate all of it. don't arbitrarily leave terms untranslated just because it makes it feel "more authentic" or whatever. it leads to silly stuff like 'yametekuda-stop' and the aforementioned 'keikaku means plan'.

>>568109010
Excalibur is English. or rather, a Saxon affectation of Celtic, which English partially descends from.
it's more like translating continental European placenames into English alternatives, which need I remind you was very common until the 20th century. one notable one is the country of Germany, which is 'Deutschland' in the native tongue.

>>568109789
>Describing exactly what I did is a strawman
Cope

>>568110120
>Excalibur is English
No, it's fucking not.
Another exemple: Nobody translate Joyeuse as 'Happy'. Or Durandal as 'Hard Fire'.
>which is 'Deutschland' in the native tongue.
The native tongue of Germany has long been extinct. It's called Germany because the Romans called it Germanica after conquering it and Germany directly claim to be descended from them through the Holy Roman Empire.

>>568110120
>it's more like translating continental European placenames into English alternatives
It's not translating at all because as in your exemple, Deutschland is not translatable as 'Germany' in any real extend, it would translate to 'The People's Land'. Germany is not a translation, it's a completely different name.

>>568111339
'Germany' is just one region of the area. Germans don't call themselves 'Germanian/German' outside of when they're speaking English, their language isn't Latinate. the etymology of the word 'Germany' is irrelevant, my point was Germans don't call themselves that. it's a name foreigners gave them and use to refer to them in non-German languages.

>>568111583
it would be called Dutchland, if we followed the principle we do for other countries. instead we ended up calling people from Holland (another foreign imposition by the way) 'Dutch' because 15th century English speakers couldn't tell the difference between the German and Dutch languages so assumed they were the same people, and because we ended up associating more with Holland than Germany we applied the German name to the Dutch people. they call themselves Nederlanders/Netherlanders.

>Toyotarō:
My question’s so trivial I’m kind of ashamed, but… why does Super Saiyan Blue have blue hair?

>Toriyama:
In Battle of Gods it was red, so I figured for Revival of “F” I should go with blue. That’s all (laughs). Well, actually I was thinking about having it be white, but then it would color-clash with the “next enemy”… so I figured I should save it for another occasion (laughs).

>Toyotarō:
… I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?

>Toriyama:
Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.

>Toyotarō:
Ever since Battle of Gods, Beerus and Whis have become central figures.

>Toriyama:
If it hadn’t been for those two, making any more story after that would have been a nightmare. There wouldn’t have been anything to expand upon. That’s why I’m so glad to have them around. And their voices are good, too! Those voice artists are so talented!

>Toyotarō:
I really like the very start of the Majin Boo arc, when Gohan is attending Orange Star High School. I guess because it was so laid back.

>Toriyama:
Yeah! I really liked that part too… (laughs)

>Toyotarō:
Had you already come up with Majin Boo when you were drawing that part?

>Toriyama:
… Nope (laughs). I’m pretty sure I just kept on drawing without a clue Majin Boo was going to turn up. I enjoyed working on that part, but eventually I figured it was time to come up with a new enemy… Even though I would have liked to just go on with the “slice of life” stuff… (laughs)

Bravo Toriyama

>>568112225
>'Germany' is just one region of the area. Germans don't call themselves 'Germanian/German' outside of when they're speaking English, their language isn't Latinate. the etymology of the word 'Germany' is irrelevant, my point was Germans don't call themselves that. it's a name foreigners gave them and use to refer to them in non-German languages.

What do Germans call themselves then?

>Kid Goku fishing in the Gekishin Squadra intro
>he's fully clothed
why are people defending that censored crap?

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Which videogame will be the first to include it I wonder

>>568115001
whichever happens alongside or after the anime got to that point
if the anime ever adapts that and doesn't have Goku do something else instead

>>568114758
You know, for whatever reason, I feel like we can let this one go.

>>568114758
To be fair, Goku can fish while having his clothes on too.

>>568115001
Probably Superdivers

>>568119280
no, I CAN'T.

>>568124334
Based

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>>568124334
Ooishi...

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Crazy how he got away with it all.

>>568125485
Toriyama's one true successor

>>568126487
Guldo died tho?

>>568040826
(1/2)
Got to chapter 9
>"Ain't that right, Mochi-Chan?"
>She lowers her head to the table groaning.
>"Please, Tazuna-san... It's bad enough that Goku calls me that."
>Goku chirps from across the room.
>"It's cute! I thought you liked cute!"
>She leaps to her feet scrambling to get her wrathful hands onto him as Kushina raises her arms slightly to keep the mischievous monkey out of reach.
>"YOU WOULDN'T KNOW CUTE IF IT SLAPPED YOU IN THE FACE!!!"
>"But you're trying to right now!"
Kek. So weird Goku has better chemistry with Sakura.
>Story has some weird tree in the Forest of Death that Sarutobi claims to be a fossil, might be related to 10 tails
>Goku's personality is off for a while now. He made a speech to Karin about how great Konoha is even if a bunch of people hate you, seems Naruto's setting is affecting his personality, which makes sense, but he is kinda starting to sound like Naruto
>Amusing how the story puts no emphasis on Uchihas being around this time, there's only one throwaway line in chapter 1 hinting at a snowball effect, then years later they're still around with no emphasis put on it
>Kakashi got the short end of the stick, still being consumed by hate until recently changing his mind, and now Shisui is the leader of Naruto's team
>Shisui being the leader of Naruto's team is a good idea to keep the snowball of changes. The story is still pretty conservative when it comes to them (Kushina not raising Naruto for no reason is really noticeable), so at least this can get somewhere. Hopefully he just doesn't get killed only for Kakashi to take over later
>All this time I assumed that Goku had to leave the village to rampage as Oozaru because nobody knew that he could just not look to the moon, or that the story removed the looking at the moon requirement. Then it turns out they did know of it, and Goku later prevented himself from transforming simply by covering his eyes with his headband, so the Oozaru rampages are pointless

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>Weird that Oozaru Goku typically goes to one place with what I think is another 10 tails tree, and he befriended Karin.
>Karin is psychotic here, might even go full yandere. Had Oozaru Goku destroy the grass village in revenge, and even blackmailed Sarutobi into letting her do it, and live on leaf village or she'd make Oozaru Goku attack the leaf village, and it's odd the story treats it as something that could happen despite Oozaru Goku recognizing Anko and Sarutobi.
>On the other hand, Sarutobi handled her afterwards well. He plainly said that he could kill her and Goku would eventually move on, and that if Goku were to become trouble, he could kill Goku too, just that he really would rather not do it. I doubt he really meant it but it's good to say something to someone as potentially dangerous as Karin so the power doesn't go to her head
>Kinda boring the characters are now doing Land of the Waves with little change to the plot. So far the only differences are a possible Goku clone working for Zabuza, and Goku's ki being something that others can learn how to use. At least Kushina is acting more like Kushina
It's still interesting enough, but plot points are becoming more and more forced. Karin in particular and the whole "She befriended Oozaru Goku from multiple meeting and has some control over him" is the worst, pretty bad. Her killing in revenge in Naruto's setting is also questionable, though how Naruto itself treated revenge was questionable, but never to this point.

>return to see if any interesting rumors have been swirling around like a horny chick's hips on a dick
>see fanfiction discussion from the usual salgar to flipping dragonball x naruto

jesus christ, we desperately need future saga 4 trailer or something to keep us together this is abhorrent.

>>568134150
>flipping
you know you can say fricking around here right?

>>568134268
I know, I just feel I should save the swears for when I really need them, it's like masturbation, too it too much and it doesn't feel as good, man Im horny today for some reason

>>568134150
I would much rather take weird Naruto x DB crossover fanfic than more Multiverse

>>568127282
He died having a stronger timestop technique than Hit.

>>568113550
Honestly the fact that Toriyama was able to come up with so much without really thinking ahead is testament to his skills as an artist. I don't think there are many mangaka that can come close to that kind of improv.

>>568144632
Buu's design kicks ass too
Toriyama was incredible

>>568130609
>>568130757
Damn, that's a big jump.
>might be related to 10 tails
It's not, it's Goku / Saiyan related BTW, no spoiler.
>Hopefully he just doesn't get killed only for Kakashi to take over later
Very unlikely, especially since Shisui is generally a fan favorite of people who are that deep in Naruto lore and he's considered at least Itachi tier so it'd take a LOT to kill him.
>Weird that Oozaru Goku typically goes to one place with what I think is another 10 tails tree
The thing is that Oozaru Goku just instinctively go to those trees and is calmer around them IIRC.
>Karin in particular and the whole "She befriended Oozaru Goku from multiple meeting and has some control over him" is the worst, pretty bad.
I thought it made sense with how the tree is said to influence the Oozaru and Karin's own connection to the tree.

Bump

>>568115001
It'll never be in a main game, ever.
>inb4 muh moro adaptation
It won't have the same plot and events as the manga and I'm glad, DBS manga feela like official fanfiction.

>>568160706
>It won't have the same plot and events as the manga and I'm glad,
I hope so because the whole 'Senzu bean' stuff with Moro pisses me off. Toyotaro really refuse to give Goku a straight win, he HAD to completely sell the fight and have to be bailed out by Uub, who NOBODY cares about.

>>568115001
I didn't like this when it dropped in the manga (I would have preferred a canon dragon fist, or even better, the susanoo can stay but for the final hit it morphs into a dragon fist) but I am gleefully counting the minutes till this gets added and we're finally rid of that generic ass Super Kamehameha from the ToP being MUI's only ultimate in the games.

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Xenoverse 1 first got announced during Vjump and after that it got featured every month. I remember it gradually being revealed that there was going to be CaC.

Do you guys think we'll get that for Xenoverse 3? Or will they go the Sparking Zero route?

>>568161172
>Or will they go the Sparking Zero route?
When Sparking Zero first got teased it was an officially nameless project and there was 9 months of silence, from March up until the game awards in December. XV3 was kind of different because we got the title early and the reveal 3 months later with the official name, the steam page, and all that. Not sure what they plan to do though.

>>568161172
2014 marketing won't work on 2026

bump

>Yujiro is gonna be in Tekken
Wonder why we NEVER see DB characters guest star anywhere except Fortnite and PUBG.

Jump crossover games.

>>568175045
That's not really guest starring since it's in-house stuff

>>568175045
Crossover games isn't the same as guest starring in another established franchise

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They're getting their ass beat in the comments section

>>568178715
>They're getting their ass beat in the comments section
Why? That just seem to be the same DragonGPT shit XXI has always done.

>>568178715
So much for 'Goku is totally gonna have a rematch and beat XXI!', it's just gonna be another OC beating him lmao.

>>568179130
It's definitely going to be Uub thanks to Zen Buu (easily one of the worst characters in this trash) powering him up in magic

>>568178715
>>568179130
Also this is some discount Dragon Quest shit, it's insane.

>>568179187
Nah, it's gonna be whatever bitch he's talking about.
Also I checked the comments and I just see the usual cheerleaders of that garbage.

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>>568179483
Expect these to disappear when mods wake up

>>568179573
The comments are killing me
>Moro basically magic slapped Vegeta the first time round.
No, the fuck he didn't, he slapped Vegeta with power absorption and then using Vegeta's ki to power himself up before just vanilla overpowering Vegeta, that was as magic as fucking 19 and 20 were.

>>568179784
>Magic has always been pretty prevalent and powerful in dragon ball.
>Moro's whole thing is magic, the Evil containment wave was the bane of Demon King piccolo and it was a mix of magic and energy, Vegeta even abuses healing magic on namek, Gohan's ability is based on a magic boost,dragon balls, magic is used as a plot device for Dabura being an enemy, it's use in Daima, etc.

Interesting
Let's count how many enemies were defeated using magic instead of overpowering them

>>568178715
>People saying this looks good
I can't even tell what the fuck I'm looking at, this is trash. It's just smoke effects everywhere. Might as well be GOT season 8.

>>568179908
At least it doesn't look like a fucking Bojack special. Gotta take your small Ws.

>>568179964
Just you wait, later in the chapter Bojack will fight XXI.

>>568179879
>Moro's whole thing is magic
It wasn't, he had like 1 magma spell, everything else was just absorption and copy.
>the Evil containment wave was the bane of Demon King piccolo and it was a mix of magic and energy,
1: It failed and 2: It's not magic at all, it's a ki technique.
>Vegeta even abuses healing magic on namek
No, he didn't, he 'abused' every type of healing he could and said abuse were Zenkai, which was a mix of normal spiritual ki stuff and sci fi alien biology stuff.
>Gohan's ability is based on a magic boost,
No, the fuck it isn't. Magic was used to used to unlock his existent potential, Gohan is using exactly 0 magic.
>dragon balls,
Never were able to defeat a single bad guy and were always utility. Very useful utility but powerless if Goku didn't just beat the bad guy with martial arts.
>magic is used as a plot device for Dabura being an enemy,
No, it's not, his magic is treated as a petty trick while he was dangerous because he was Cell tier and fighting a rusty Gohan.
>it's use in Daima, etc.
And it's all weak shit Goku folds with no effort except the Third Eye, which just so happen to boost Gomah's normal fighting abilities AND has a goofy easy to exploit weakness. (Almost like it's on purpose).

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>>568180217
>DRAGON BALL WAS ALWAYS RETARDED AND GAY
Every single time

you know it's pretty obvious they've been trying to ape Gunnm (one of Salagir's few manga references) but they can't even do it right, pic related

>>568179879
>>568180217
Love the guy who's like 'Shenron could have actually done more in Daima', no he couldn't have, he explicitly did as much as the chink in the Z fighters' defense that Gomah noticed could allow (AKA their defense work like white magic so any magic that's 'dark' AKA intend to bring harm is blocked off while magic that's not dark doesn't trigger their defense, which is why he has them turned into kids, cause that's not actually harming them, erasing their memories or turning them into fetuses would).

>>568180490
Isn't Gunm that cringe sci fi anime where characters keep dying like shit and being replaced by clones?

>>568180490
>you know it's pretty obvious they've been trying to ape Gunnm (one of Salagir's few manga references)
What do you mean?

>>568180217
>And it's all weak shit Goku folds with no effort except the Third Eye
NTA but Neva's barrier was pretty powerful too, and Neva's magic created the Tamagamis to begin with, even if it's just to create someone who punches hard. Although magic in DB is typically not very strong anyway.

>>568180830
>NTA but Neva's barrier was pretty powerful too
Yeah but Goku kinda just break through anyway by the end anyway. And it's more again more of a utility thing than something that would actually make you a threat by itself.
>and Neva's magic created the Tamagamis to begin with, even if it's just to create someone who punches hard.
That's just like the third eye tho, it's magic but in the end it just result in being converted to normal strength anyway.
And again, Goku beat them and despite being a VERY cool fight, it's not like it was a desperate struggle or a one shot like Salagir portrays stuff.
Don't get me wrong, you could make a SUPER cool fighting character in DB based on magic, combining powerboost, summons and barriers like all the Neva stuff but it's very different from how THEY mean 'magic is...STRONG!'.
They mean it in the 'DnD munchkin' way.

>>568180830
>>568181045
Magic in DB is treated the same as Science in DB, which just so happen to be Salagir's other great love that he also get completely wrong.
His science feels more like the shit you'd see in Marvel or DC (the instant kill goo for exemple, it's peak Capeshit logic, especially how it can somehow kill a Broly who can tank infinite gravity).

>>568180490
>Every single time
It's insane how much this comes up in the comments to defend DBM.
Weird how DB got none of those complaints if it was really the same.

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>>568181045
>Yeah but Goku kinda just break through anyway by the end anyway.
His kamehameha broke through the demons realms but the barriers were gone by then. Granted, I would expect SS4 to be capable of breaking the barriers anyway.

>They mean it in the 'DnD munchkin' way.
Yeah, the only magic that isn't straightup combat related that is strong is the candy beam, and if you're strong enough you can brute force it. Plus even Buu rarely used it.

>>568181339
>It's insane how much this comes up in the comments to defend DBM.
What those comments miss is that for the many flaws DB has, it's very consistently entertaining, like having a great meal. Multiverse is also entertaining, but like seeing a plane crash. Multiverse has nothing that is even 10% as good as pic related.

>>568181901
God, the way each panel really feel like it's moving and flowing into each others, it's something you can't appreciate without seeing how stiff stuff like DBM is in comparison, it's insane.
Toriyama was a monster.

>>568181901
>and if you're strong enough you can brute force it. Plus even Buu rarely used it.
And again, it's more of a weaponized goofy utility move who's main purpose is to make stuff for Buu to eat.
Genuinely weaponizing the 'clothes beam' like that one quest anons like fit DB infinitely more than anything in DBM and that's despite me feeling it's a bit too TFS-adjacent for my taste.
Turning the goofy into something fearsome will always fit DB more than turning technicalities into power.

>>568182195
>Genuinely weaponizing the 'clothes beam' like that one quest anons like fit DB infinitely more than anything in DBM and that's despite me feeling it's a bit too TFS-adjacent for my taste.
>Turning the goofy into something fearsome will always fit DB more than turning technicalities into power.
The reverse as well, and since you mentioned Tuffle Quest, there was this whole part of having to get a nice soft panties to get in Konpei's sanctuary, Piccolo was involved and still acting sort of villainous, and we get this completely ridiculous moment where him and Maple are having a competition where both are making panties, with the panties Piccolo made even having his demon symbol, which was a feared symbol not too long before. The audacity of doing that felt very Toriyama flavored.

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>>568180820
>What do you mean?
It's pretty straightforward. Gunnm is a scifi space manga with killer robots using fictional, tech enhanced martial arts in deadly battles. The heroine, Gally, is quite reminiscent of Bra (except done well and a good character) and a few characters there are using the power of SCIENCE to escape consequences and outdo naive poor gooders, including Desty Nova, a villain turned anti-villain who Salagir references in a webcomic.

Salagir WANTS to take Dragon Ball closer to Gunnm, which he loves, but he also knows on some level he can't go too far. It's a shonen. He'll stop just short of showing sex/rape (although he made Kakarotto an implied rapist), he wont go TOO dark but he's going to get pretty close. He'll have science and plans overcome honest martial arts like Desty Nova did for a while. He'll portray superpowers in a sci-fi way reminiscent of Gunnm (there's a chapter where Gally goes like nanosecond fast and you can see the world unravel in front of her eyes and everyone else being frozen, that's the kind of way DBM shows speed)

>>568180705
It's a manga first, but yeah it has clones/replacements and it's actually pretty solid but because it knows its strengths and how to leverage them. Art is the first step, you NEED a competent artist.

>>568182683
>with the panties Piccolo made even having his demon symbol, which was a feared symbol not too long before.
That's so something Toriyama would do.
>The audacity of doing that felt very Toriyama flavored.
Just look at the Third Eye. It turned out to be a CHEAP shop item. Literally on discount by the time Goku finds it.

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>>568182750
I didn't bring up DBM gore/dismemberment but Gunnm's full of it (Gally's signature move is actually losing limbs, it's actually pretty funny).

Except Gunnm also had a honest martial arts knucklehead being the best influence on Gally and the heart of the story, so... well.

>>568180217
>It's not magic at all, it's a ki technique
These guys haven't watched a single kung fu movie in their lives. Ki is basically magic to them. It doesn't MEAN anything martial arts related for them, it's just capeshit superpowers with specs and all.

>>568183018
>It doesn't MEAN anything martial arts related for them, it's just capeshit superpowers with specs and all.
Yup, in their head, Goku is flying just cause he has the flight superpower, not because he is using a specific martial art technique called Bukujutsu (Literally 'Sky Dance Technique').
To them, ki isn't a literal culmination of martial art where you learn to wield your ki (literally 'breath', just like controlling your breath is very important in every martial art and fighting style) just as you learned to wield every other part of your body, it's just a random superpower energy like Superman's solar energy stores or Flash's Speedforce.
I think it's one of the most fundamental misunderstanding of DB in the west.
>>568182750
Sounds interesting, seems I mistook it for a weird anime show about aliens and the MC is a dude and the whole thing is about how they're basically just clones of people who died / almost died copy pasted and use to fight weird aliens that pissed off the weird god aliens cloning them.

>>568183018
>>568183471
Those people legit can't tell you the difference between Cyclope's eye beams and Goku's Kamehameha.

>>568184165
Honestly the issue with the entire Western fanbase

>>568184751
That's who I was talking about by saying 'Those people'.
The EXTRA OBVIOUSLY Kung Fu fillers from OG DB should be mandatory viewing.

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>>568182195
>>568182683
I'll say this about how Tuffle Quest handles its actual "Magic" system, it does tend to keep it both somewhat vague and yet structured enough to be variable and useful and open (as it's supposed to be a Quest, a game played by people, rather than a straight up fanfic). It also doesn't specifically present Magic as better or worse than Ki, but rather something that can either do things that "normal" Ki-based techniques can't easily (like breaking curses or creating clothes) or more often supplement it, which usually just takes the form of flavoring certain skills (for example: Maple learns to add Lightning to Ki attacks and creates techniques that can stun an opponent, Chiaotzu learns to add Ice to his to create techniques that can freeze an opponent, etc.). A big emphasis is also put on characters trying to train up those skills though, learning the basics and then trying to experiment with them to come up with something new. Which isn't to say that certain effects applied through combining them with Magic are impossible to replicate with "pure" Ki, either; Vegeta creates a variant of the Galick Gun with a stronger, spiraling version he dubs the "Helix Galick Gun" without having to rely on learning Wind Magic like Chuu Lee or Peppa did for the spiraling effects they applied to certain techniques. It does also have some more involved stuff with Magic later down the line, usually linked to Izzy's unlocking of a proper Magical Girl transformation ala the Kamikaze Fireballs (which itself ends up more of a Rayearth reference), but in spite of that one of the Magic techniques she tends to favor isn't anything extremely powerful or fancy or complicated; it's creating distracting dummies filled with glitter bombs, causing a blinding mess whenever a foe attacks one.

>>568160706
>from the creators of "It will never be adapted" comes "It will be radically different"
Great new cope

>>568188471
It's not getting adapted since it's not based on the manga but on Toriyama's stuff.

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>>568178715
Once again, imagine seeing this and thinking "ah yes this is totally a Dragon Ball story"

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>>568188535
Sure anon keep telling yourself that

>>568188698
This looks like some bad DQ rip off at best.

>>568188898
I'll keep reading what they directly said about following TORIYAMA with no mention of Toyotaro or the manga instead of your cope.

>>568189016
>following Toriyama
You are thinking about DBS Beerus being "closer to Toriyama". There's no such mention of DBS GP
>but it credits Toriyama for story/original work
The DBS manga chapters/volumes covering the Moro arc also credited Toriyama like that.
Anyway see you in some months when you get a new cope

>>568188467
That's definitely better than the stuff Multiverse tries to pull. Interesting enough, at the very least it doesn't overpower the concept.
>It does also have some more involved stuff with Magic later down the line, usually linked to Izzy's unlocking of a proper Magical Girl transformation ala the Kamikaze Fireballs (which itself ends up more of a Rayearth reference)
I'm curious now, what exactly do you mean by that?
>but in spite of that one of the Magic techniques she tends to favor isn't anything extremely powerful or fancy or complicated; it's creating distracting dummies filled with glitter bombs, causing a blinding mess whenever a foe attacks one.
There we go, that's the Dragon Ball kind of joke I want to see.

>>568189307
>There's no such mention of DBS GP
There is on the website.

Do you think Freiza could raid the galactic patrol prison to recruit the convicts there for his army as well as recruiting the people who made seven-three to make him more androids of that caliber, Granola kinda obliterated their back ups but he took Seven-three to the heeters who then used the information in him to extort Zuno, imagine what Freiza could do with the information within Seven three, especially now that he owns Maki and Oil which means he now controls the Heeters former information network and resources with Gas and Elec dead, it also means he has the recordings of seven three-s battles with Merus, Goku, Gohan, Piccolo and will learn of his copy abilities and probably the people who made him

imagine that, with a freiza this strong, with information from Zuno, with a potential army of seven three clones AND possibly the convicts he'll be a massive threat in the future even if Freiza no longer desires immortality his high ambitions haven't deteriorated one bit, imagine if Zuno tells him about how to get the super dragon balls or, about the demon realm's dragon balls or and this is the big one, where new namek is.

>>568189328
>I'm curious now, what exactly do you mean by that?
Basically, after an adventure that involved settling an ancient temple's magic gone awry, her Magical Girl transformation ends up with a much stronger "Magic Knight" upgrade she can access.
>There we go, that's the Dragon Ball kind of joke I want to see.
Honestly the fact that we keep getting lucky with it is part of why it's so fun. Even if it's a temporary distraction, foes still have to live with the shame of getting glitter bomb'd because that shit ain't getting out for months.

>>568190163
>Do you think Freiza could raid the galactic patrol prison
Freeza from the Namek Saga could genocide the galactic patrol and everyone in the prison with 0 effort. A Freeza soldier or adult Saiyan literally can't be defeated by the Galactic Patrol.

>>568191706
yeah they typically stay out of Freiza's way even back then, Merus could of folded him but he's not suppose to interfere like that, through now that he's been reborn as a mortal while still allegedly retaining his ultra instinct I'm kinda curious how he plans on living his life now, does he take more liberal use of his overwhelming power or does he stay as he is? The game goes for Granola, he said nothing about restoring his long lifespan or reversing his wish despite being surpassed by Freiza, he only said he'll restore the damage to his planet and let Morito seal away the 2 dragon balls of their planet meaning his race will be extinct by the time Goku leaves with Uub.

Huh, when Grand Priest said he made Meerus a mortal and no longer an angel I wonder if that means if Meerus plaps a baby into someone will that baby be an angel still and if Meerus is mortal now is he a new race entirely or is it fair to call him a mortal class angel? he doesn't have pointy ears so he can't be classified as a human, if anything he probably now falls under the umbrella of human type aliens like Recoom, Apple,Granberry, the Tuffle race from GT, the glass race from heroes, that Vidro girl looked human compared to Lagss yet they're the same race? then there's Ribranne and her two friends they have different names and appearences in the anime while in the manga their transformations are their real selves, what's up with that?

>>568192625
>Merus could of folded him but he's not suppose to interfere like that,
There's actually no justification for Merus not doing that and it's a complete plothole. He very much could have solo'd the Freeza Force and put the Galactic Patrol in charge of the universe using the amount of power we kept seeing him use without getting in trouble.
>Huh, when Grand Priest said he made Meerus a mortal and no longer an angel I wonder if that means if Meerus plaps a baby into someone will that baby be an angel still and if Meerus is mortal now is he a new race entirely or is it fair to call him a mortal class angel?
The answer, like for ALL Toyotaro-only arcs and plot points is: It doesn't matter because he'll never show up again and whatever could come up later again has been removed, is dead or has been sealed, same as the whole wish stuff from the Granolah arc, including Granolah himself and the dragon that could cheat infinite power for everyone.

>>568192625
>what's up with that?
A lot of stuff from the TOP is stuff Toriyama came up with for the anime or as a reaction to anime idea and Toyotaro just kinda did a rush job throwing them in randomly cause he didn't care and the TOP in general was a mess in his version.

>>568192625
>>568192995
Toyotaro write his arcs like they're self contained fillers and it shows

>>568193216
moro arc had vegeta learn spirt fission and instant transmission he vocalizes he'll never use either one again after he pulls both off successfully

granola arc has vegeta learn ultra ego well enough to take the transformation at will and instantaneous loses every fight with it, apologizes that he can't utalize his ego to the fulliest like he thought

next arc he goes back to super saiyan blue during the brawl with beast gohan, ultra instinct goku, super saiyan 1 trunks, super saiyan 1 goten and legendary super saiyan controlled broly

does anyone have the group shot of Vegeta, Goku,Gohan, Piccolo and Broly seemingly teaming up against Black Freiza? Is vegeta still wearing the earring there? if he is I think it's safe to say ultra ego won't be returning in future arcs

>>568192625
This is why I hope Merus is written out.

>>568193945
>seemingly teaming up against Black Freiza?
There's no actual evidence of that BTW, Toyotaro just said he wanted to portray 'the strongests' now that they're close in power.
People VASTLY overestimated Black Freeza's importance and Toyotaro's plans for him.
Also Toyotaro genuinely tend to default to the anime version rather than his own version, like when Goku mention how he first unlocked UI and it fit the anime, not the manga.

>>568194009
Genuinely, removing him and the Kaioshins purposefully giving Moro to the Galactic Patrol for safe keeping (they're LITERALLY the WEAKEST faction in the setting) would already make the arc a hundred time more bearable.
Just have Moro escape the Kaioshins after being depowered and comically getting picked up for some petty shit by the Galactic Patrol and they just proceed to be too scared to ever let him out after his time was up.

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>>568199142
Cute

I don't get why they gave a vague season release date for SZ, instead of a month. These things are mostly pre-determined anyway, with very little wiggle room. They could have just said July or August

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>>568192625
Merus is confirmed to have been nerfed after his revival, because Whis said that Goku and Vegeta are strongest in the universe recently, and they ain't surpassed the GoDs yet alone any single Angel.

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>TFW you were working on a sketch for the Pan thread on /v/ only for the thread to 404 before you were done

lost motivation, here's the WIP

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>>568193945
>he vocalizes he'll never use either one again
Only IT, he never says anything about not using fission and even tells Granolah he will use it if he tries to pull tricks like that. He also used UE after his apologize for not being able to use it as good as Beerus, and appears in the most recent volume and Vegeta's illustration of Jump Festa, this cope of UE not reappearing will never make sense
Nice redditspacing btw

Can someone explain why people complain over Merus as if we knew when he joined the galactic patrol? If we knew he was around during Namek Freeza times it would be a big problem because they had to clash at some point after so many years conquering other planets but he could have joined last year as far we know

>>568182683
Clothes beam is funny to me because it's gotten ingrained in people's mind so badly that I've seen people straight up not know it's not called clothes beam and is actually magic materialization. Shit I've seen people say "man we should learn to use clothes beam for something other than clothes, you remember when it summoned that sword right surely it can summon other things"and it's like, man.

>>568208420
Retards love to complain over things they just imagined. In the manga the Grand Priest even seems fascinated with U7 at the end of the Future Trunks arc and he's the one who personally decided to send Merus there to broad his vision so it's even more likely Merus hasn't been around for years and he was only send there after Goku surprised el grande padre
Anyway any timeframe is purely headcanon at the end so there's no reason to think he was there the 30 years Freeza was playing space Hitler

>>568200480
Considering there's gonna be over 30 characters, maybe they're trying to squeeze in as many as they can before they release it.

>>568201583
>pan
>princess of all saiyans
what, did vegeta fuck girlhan or something?

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DBZ Dub Fun Facts

>Chris Sabat went to universities, theater departments and local theaters to put ads up for DBZ auditions
>Sean Schemmel's wife told him to voice Goku. Sean Schemmel initially wanted to voice Captain Ginyu
>DBZ Episode 68 is the first time Sean Schemmel voiced Goku in 1999
>Bruce Faulconer himself scored very little of the actual compositions ultimately credited to his studio, which was instead largely handled by Mike Smith, Scott Morgan, and Julius Dobos
>Eric Vale was a pizza delivery guy before voicing Trunks
>Mr. Satan (Chris Rager) and Majin Buu (Josh Martin) were actually best buds from doing acting and improv together long before they got cast in the show
>Justin Cook was actually in his late teen years, when he first voiced Super Buu
>Chris Sabat says they were paid $20,000 per year in the beginning
>Chris Sabat got a lot of hate from purists such as Steve Simmons, he got into Dragon Ball Z in the early '90s, started compiling an online episode guide, was one of the original Funimation haters online, complaining about them changing the music, censoring, releasing dub only DVDs, fucking the names up and cutting episodes, and then starting with the Captain Ginyu Saga DVDs he was the guy translating and writing the subtitles for Funimation, his subtitles are still used for the DBZ, Super and DAIMA blu-rays too
>Sound design and audio mixing were way better on the original DVD/VHS singles; everything Orange Bricks onward has botched audio mixing and missing sound effects (Android 19 robot voice, Super Buu voice, etc.)
>DBZ Majin Buu Saga finished dub in 2003
>Dragon Ball was dubbed from 2001 to 2003
>Dragon Ball GT was dubbed in 2004
>Chris Sabat directed the Budokai 3 dub in 2004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDYqY6mS1KU
>Chris Sabat re-dubbed Episode 01 to 67 in the "Ultimate Uncut Edition" from 2005
>Chris Sabat redubbed over himself with a mix of 1999 recordings alongside 2007 recordings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkCnE_dhxqI

>>568218432
>Chris Sabat's first DB role was Yamcha in Dragon Ball: Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle in 1998
>Chris Sabat says there weren't as many people buying the Level Set to support the massive amount of people that had to work on restoring it frame by frame
>Chris Sabat directed the DBZ Kai Dub from 2010 to 2012. J. Michael Tatum wrote the script
>Monica Rial took over as Bulma as Tiffany Vollmer retired
>Chris Ayers replaced Linda Young because Linda Young was pushing 60 at the time
>Meredith McCoy was unavailable when they started Kai. It was always going to be a temporary change
>Alexis Tipton took over as Kid Trunks as Laura Bailey only really does union stuff in LA now and not much anime
>Funimation's translator had suggested Beers, but they wanted something that was easier to google, so they went with Beerus
>Jason Douglas (Beerus) was actually working on Borderlands 2 at his studio in the Dallas area when Chris Sabat asked to cast him
>Jared Hedges and Alex Muniz wrote the "All hail Vegeta, prince of no one" line
>Toei wouldn't tell Sean Schemmel anything about Goku Black other than "He's just evil Goku" to avoid leaks
>James Marsters, who played Piccolo in the Dragon Ball Evolution movie, offered to voice a character in Dragon Ball Super completely for free in order to "redeem" himself. Marsters couldn't be paid as he was from the union and DBS was a non-union production, so in order to have a role in DBS, he had to use the pseudonym "David Gray" and take no salary
>Chris Sabat sometimes does whatever he wants with lines which is why Hit talks about donuts in Super
>Having Drummond as Copy Vegeta was actually Sabat's idea
>Sean Schemmel always wanted Goku to go through a bonk on the head of magic to removing Goku's natural niceness and become evil again and Vegeta is the one that has to teach him to be good again
>Kid Goku voice actor (Stephanie Nadolny) is currently in jail for DWI and Theft

>>568218582
>Kid Goku voice actor (Stephanie Nadolny) is currently in jail for DWI and Theft
Hasn't this already been debunked like 6 separate times?

>>568219248
You're talking to a bot that just reposted the same thing in an /a/ thread.

>>568220509
Oh.
Yeah I remember seeing this same post like a week ago or something.

What is the point?

>>568220698
Just cause, I guess.

Using the XV2 save editor right now, is there a list of all the FOMO items?
I'd like to still unlock unlockable things for myself, but if there's super exclusive stuff I'll just get them with this.

fusions 2

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>>568189410
He's coping, the DBS remake already proved him wrong because Goku still absorbs SSG's power into his base form (a thing that only happens in the anime and the movie, not the manga). The stupid fanfiction shit like UI-Susanoo, Goku using Hakai, SSB stamina drain forcing Goku and Vegeta to use SSG in the Goku Black arc and other shit like that aren't going to be adapted, and the Moro arc won't be 1:1 with the promotional toilet paper either. Just wait for the remake of the Champa arc, this retard is going to kill himself when Goku uses SSBKK against Hit and not God.

>replies to himself only to prove he's mixing DBS Beerus and DBS GP
Fucking kek

>>568235469
Based
>>568236279
Cope

I was supposed to stop Towa, I ended up sleeping with her

>>568235469
Can't wait until 2028 for the heavily changed version of Moro arc. It's gonna be so fun seeing it happen.

Wonder why there's so many Z dub callbacks in Squadra. We got Hope of the Universe, philosopher!Goku and this:

Gekishin: https://youtu.be/l3Pq-9NnvoQ
Z dub: https://youtu.be/rvKa3FvfWVM

>>568247057
i'd assume there's a funi dub fan/member in the localization team or voice direction
i'll give it one thing it does help make it pretty clear it's meant to be specifically namek goku

>>568241326
Based

>team densetsu made a janemba mod
>JUST so they had an excuse to do ANOTHER fusion with Z gogeta
i swear to god these guys are obsessed with goku and vegeta touching tips

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They finally added the best character of the entirety of DB canon

>>568247057
>>568247760
Remember when Kai was dubbed to make it more faithful to the original, only for them to use Z dub lines afterwards?

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>>568249006
>80% of the good mods are just updates to the saiyan characters or some useless shit like textures

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Did we ever need more than Budokai 3?

>>568252558
Both Infinite World and Shin Budokai have improvements over the formula and characters that never appeared in Budokai 3 so yeah we did. If anything we need a Sparking Zero revival so we have a new Budokai with Super content

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What's the verdict on the DBS manga? Should it be the main canon going forward?

>>568253425
>What's the verdict on the DBS manga?
It's overall inferior to the anime on all points. It sits with GT as 'the closest DB has gotten to being bad' even if I can read it without having a bad time like I can watch GT without having a bad time.
>Should it be the main canon going forward?
Fuck no.

>>568253425
It clearly already is somewhat canon since the anime is adapting the Moro arc from the manga.

I don't really think it's fair to say one is more or less canon than the other they're just different and both shit.

>>568253425
Anon I don't want to trigger the autist but it has been canon since Shueisha declared it that way many MANY years ago, the DBS anime is like the old anime in the sense people take it as source because it's what most people consume, nothing else. Even Toei treats the DBS anime as a sequel of the Z anime too so there's no discussion anyway, not even Toei considers the anime canon, it's just the continuity they usually work in.

>>568253425
Based on Mussie's read? Peak

>>568255239
>Shueisha declared it
to be a promotional manga. Cause that's what actually happened.

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While making alternative costumes for Trunks. I discovered one of Trunks most iconic appearances. Short hair, black tank top, and sword has never appeared in the anime outside of the opening title screen. It has only ever been used in promotional art. If someone knows of this appearance appearing in the anime let me know.
No, Bojack doesnt count, different look with longer hair.

>>568256150
I wish we really had a Goku with angel wings, it was a cool look.

>>568253425
It's bad and no.

>>568252558
We need a new Budokai game featuring Toriyama designed characters

Android 16
Android 17
Android 18
Android 21
Bardock
Beerus
Broly (DBS)
Captain Ginyu
Cell
Cooler
Dabura
Dodoria
Frieza
Gogeta (SSGSS)
Gohan (Adult)
Gohan (Teen)
Goku
Goku Black
Gotenks
Hit
Janemba
Jiren
Kefla
Kid Buu
Krillin
Krillin
Majin Buu
Majin Ozotto
Master Roshi
Nappa
Piccolo
Pirate Robot
Raditz
Recoome
Ribrianne
Tien
Trunks
Vegeta
Vegetto
Videl
Yamcha
Zamasu
Zarbon

>>568255239
>>568255909
Sheisha doesn't give a shit about canon because they have better things to do than post on an imageboard or bully children playing Google Stadia Xenoverse 2

For the people who were talking about a '7th stand user-like' game for DB, I don't think you actually need to justify your race much. You can just have randomly ended up on earth as a kid and just grew up assuming you were a weird earthling and everyone around you did the same.
Just look at Tenshinhan, Pilaf, Oolong, Piccolo or Goku, nobody really questioned it.
Hell, they have fucking legit vampires, werewolves and demons around.

>>568262589
the DB fanbase has a particular habit of overthinking things
toriyama'd just drop things down on earth when he felt like it, as he felt like it - you want your super epic mutant namekian who can go orange-red to be raised on earth? then just do it man

>>568183018
Just saying but they did the same with the Devil beam from Devilman. They just assumed it was magic when as far as the manga say, it's just an attack like any other and thus is probably 'just' ki.

>>568262831
And he's honestly kinda right, it's not like anything stop anyone from just...going to Earth.
It's what they did once on Earth that matters.
Just look at Piccolo. He was just kinda sent to Earth randomly, he could have been sent anywhere else.
It's after he arrives on Earth that stuff is actually justified, like why he was split, why he became Kami, why he became Piccolo Daimao, why unsplitting is such a power boost etc.
Also technically, Piccolo isn't a mutant, he's 'just' described as an uber prodigy.

>>568262589
>>568262831
Also you could easily only learn you're not from Earth when meeting someone from your race, like your stand type is only really commented on when you meet someone with a similar one in 7th stand user.

>>568256589
I'd want a game with these villains on the roster.
>Mecha Frieza
>Meta Cooler
>Android 19
>Dr. Gero
>Android 16
>Android 17
>Android 18
>Cell
>Android 13
>Android 14
>Android 15
>Teen Broly
>Broly
>Hatchiyack
Could be cool, good mix of androids/ robots/ cyborgs and planetary travel. The heroes roster, off the top of my head.
>Goku
>Kid Gohan (Android Saga)
>Teen Gohan (Cell Saga)
>Future Gohan
>Young Future Trunks (History of Trunks)
>Future Trunks (Sword)
>Future Trunks
>Vegeta
>Krillin
>Piccolo
>Yamcha
>Tien

The main canon continuity going forward should be the one from the Cooler movie.

An alternative to races could be fighting styles but then you run into the issue of being a vanilla human with no transformation not really scaling as well in coolness or utility in the story as being able to go Super Saiyan.
And even 7th Stand User had issues with not having Jotaro just do everything against Dio toward the end of the story because it's just that hard to justify being useful against Dio without also having some form of time stop counter. (Even if the author came up with a really neat non-stand specific trick against Dio in the Mad World ending where you go evil, side with Dio and then betray even him, it's just one trick and doesn't really go into the actual story of the fight like it does with Jotaro, instead just abstracting it with the normal combat encounter stuff, same for the 'Save Everyone Route' except that one doesn't even have a neat trick to justify Dio not timestop insta-killing you before the encounter starts)

>>568211380
the one in the back is Bulla. Pan is on the ground.

>>568262589
Well I'm thinking to make the race matter to how the MC ended up in Earth, different starting points and the like. I never imagined characters being too weirded out about MC's appearance besides maybe a Namekian's (Roshi should at least think to himself how much the MC looks like king Piccolo), specially since DB characters may assume you're a foreigner if you look different. Just to add a little more flavor to the races, stories, and how they're implemented. It's fine either way though, the only real headscratcher is trying to justify someone from Buu's race being thrown on Earth before Buu himself is freed, since there are no other Buus so it can't just be said "someone from Buu's species just happened to be shoved to Earth". Although, the first discussions about 7SU DB game were made before Daima came out, now with it, a Buu MC could simply be a flawed prototype Marba came up with, and Bibidi dismissed him because he was too weak.

>>568265050
>(Roshi should at least think to himself how much the MC looks like king Piccolo),
Very good point actually.
>Although, the first discussions about 7SU DB game were made before Daima came out, now with it, a Buu MC could simply be a flawed prototype Marba came up with, and Bibidi dismissed him because he was too weak.
Given that Daima established you can make a new Majin just from a random bit of Buu (magically preserved to not just regen into Buu) being thrown into a cauldron, you could have it that some witch found some Buu bits left over from when he got sealed, threw it in a cauldron and boom, you got your Earthling Buu.
Or you're just one of the attempts at making a Buu for Arinsu that failed due to being too weak (which we got direct confirmation exist) and you just kinda stumbled into Earth after being told you were fired (cause again, that's what was done with those defective majins, they were just fired).

So I'm thinking about getting Xenoverse 2 from Fanatical since it's on sale (yes I know, I'm really late), but all of the DLC and special editions and shit is really confusing. If I pick up the Special Edition and The Ultra Pack, what other DLC will I need to have all the characters and content? Is it even worth it? Any help is appreciated.

>>568265689
If you want all the characters and all the stories, you pretty much gotta buy everything except the TP medals and the music packs.

>>568266389
oh... that'd still be over like 100 bucks even with the packs that are included with the Special Edition... I guess I'll wait for Xenoverse 3 or something.

>>568267360
If you're not interested in the multiplayer content you could just pirate it

>>568267636
I actually was interested in the multiplayer lol. It's fine though. I only gotta wait a year or so for 3 to come out, and I've waited this long already.

>>568264191
>And even 7th Stand User had issues with not having Jotaro just do everything against Dio toward the end of the story because it's just that hard to justify being useful against Dio without also having some form of time stop counter
It's why MC becomes a supporting character when it's time to fight Dio. There are multiple times Jotaro can defeat Dio on his own without the MC at all, and IIRC, even when teaming up with Jotaro, you can lose most fights and advance the story (With the notable exception of Kakyoin's route. MC, Jotaro and Kakyoin will fight Dio, assuming you don't kill Dio earlier, but once you get to that point, victory is mandatory, and Jotaro won't counter timestop).

>>568265584
>Very good point actually.
Thinking of it, there are a few more situations where other characters should note a Namekian's appearance
>Korin
>When Crane Elder sees him
>Kami himself
>Maybe have a few civilians panic when seeing him during 23rd tournament?
None of these have to be plot important, just there for flavor text, and acnowledge a fellow Namekian.

>you could have it that some witch found some Buu bits left over from when he got sealed, threw it in a cauldron and boom, you got your Earthling Buu.
Very good point. It also removes an MC Buu being technically a super important character by being connected to Bibidi, and being older than dirt.


>Or you're just one of the attempts at making a Buu for Arinsu that failed due to being too weak (which we got direct confirmation exist)
Really? When was that said?

>and you just kinda stumbled into Earth after being told you were fired (cause again, that's what was done with those defective majins, they were just fired).
It could be excused as him following Arinsu to Earth while she was trying to find Buu, and she just fires him there. Comedically of course.

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Any thoughts on a Androids Saga Gohan?
Would you be for it or against it?
I think he's cooler then bowl cut gohan.
The long haired super saiyan would make a little interesting novelty.
Or just skip it?

>>568273892
I would of liked to see that hair when he's not in power up mode with his aura flaring just to see if it would droop downwards or remain upright like that

>>568273892
i know they'd never do it because it'd require them to come up with a long haired SS2 design, but he'd probably be better off as a cell saga gohan skin than trying to make a full moveset out of him

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>>568274552
I'd imagine it something like this.

>>568275495
Android Saga Gohan wouldnt have Super Saiyan 2.
Teen Gohan would have Super Saiyan 2.
Teen Gohan/ Cell Saga Gohan (whatever you want to call him).
Thats a lot of gohan bloat on the roster, just for a long haired super saiyan form.

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What's the verdict on the Piccolo Daimao arc?

>>568276145
Cool fights. Some convoluted moments. Anime spiced it up a bit.

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How would you handle Full Power Super Saiyan in a video game? (The form Goku & Gohan had after emerging from the time chamber during the ten days of rest before the cell games).
Would you have them achieve this form simply when at max ki?
Would you make it a separate character?
Would you leave it out entirely?
Also how would you handle the super muscular slower forms (Grades 2 & 3).
I'm thinking hiding them behind the Bulma's Armor alternate costume, like an added little bonus. (Too much clipping and animation issues or too many creative liberties required to have those forms on all costumes. (It also looks stupid).

>>568276145
Overall, it's not that good. The anime improves it, but not by much. Cool moments, cool ideas, poor execution.

>>568276145
best arc of the Kid saga, my personal second-favourite after Saiyans

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What type of characters do you want to see in Z Assist/ Z Support summon type rolls?

>>568249328
How OP is Jiya?

>>568252763
A Sparking Zero-type revival of Budokai would be cool, if it weren't for Dimps being busy with Xenoverse 3.

>>568276145
It's cool, but not as good as the Red Ribbon Arc. At least we got Piccolo out of it!

>>568276985
I'd go a similar route to RB1's style, but specifically for Full Power Super Saiyan. Whitish hair that turns gold when powering up. And just so they don't take up character slots, I could see Grade 2 and Grade 3 Goku being alternate skins for SS2 and SS3, specifically in the bulma armor.

I'm kind of sad Xenoverse 3 isn't DBO 2.

>>568284924
>releasing an MMO in the current decade

Brothers I just finished xv1 and 100% it what are the best skills/clothes to transfer? Also do I have to use my cac to get my transferred skills because I'd rather have ace as my hero in the city center.

>>568284924
DBO was a cool concept, but also a slog of a game. As long as XV3's world is big and explorable, we should be fine.

>>568270650
>Really? When was that said?
When Arinsu try to declare Kuu a failure and tell him to leave / he's fire.

>>568276145
Very cool arc.

>>568276145
How does current Piccolo feel about all his dead children?

any idea when future saga 3 comes out? August? June? July?

>>568306816
>any idea when future saga 3 comes out?
October 30, 2025

Since people were talking about Goku in Naruto, what would Goku be in Bleach? The only 'mostly evil' race are Hollows but since they're basically just human souls that went evil (until they become Menos Grande, which seem to create a new individual), that doesn't really fit Goku.
Maybe Bounts? Their genocide kinda reflect the Saiyan's?

Official Goku (Youth) Showcase: https://x.com/i/status/2059107266234589254

>>568270650
>It could be excused as him following Arinsu to Earth while she was trying to find Buu, and she just fires him there. Comedically of course.
That'd work pretty well. Could even be the Buu race tutorial / intro and it end with an unwinnable boss fight that Arinsu just shows up, one shots and goes 'Holy shit, you're weak AND couldn't find Buu, you're fired'.
>>568270650
>It's why MC becomes a supporting character when it's time to fight Dio
Yup and why the 'Save Everyone' route has very little narration and dialogue once you charge Dio's mansion alone. You could tell Clayman really had trouble deviating from canon around that point, which make sense given 1: The Jojo autism and 2: How fucking close they all came to just getting wiped. It's basically the Freeza fight of the Stardust Crusaders, where if ANYTHING had went wrong, victory was just impossible due to the raw wall and escalation Freeza / Dio represented.

People talked about what they want the anime to change and personally I hope they remove 'True UI' entirely, that shit was dumb and just Toyotaro backpedaling because he jumped the gun on Goku controling UI.
Also remove Goku learn something from Bardock as a warrior. I'm fine with him remembering his parents tho. Just have some mention of Grandpa Gohan too.

>Baby tank called Kekaroooo
>/dbs/ meme name
>worst tank i've ever had
>abandoned the lane instantly
>left me to defend the lane as a solo dps
>we lost
Okay, yeah. I see why you hate these faggots.

>>568313851
Told you, people.

Bump

Is Goku (Youth) out yet?

>>568313851
I am surprised at how many times I've seen players just not follow the designated lanes. For me, it's two DPS going into the same lane, either leaving the Tech or Tank on their lonesome. It's like these people have never played a MOBA before.

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Do you say Pure Buu or Kid Boo?

>>568332440
I just switch depending on the name the other person is using;
>>568332367
>It's like these people have never played a MOBA before.
Gekishin is the only MOBA I ever played and even I got that from the start.

Bump

>>568313851
how's delhi this time of the year?

>>568273892
>androids saga Gohan
We already have androids saga Gohan. Just with a different hairstyle.

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>this is your Enma

>>568352020
>guy bowing to the fucking supreme kai is STILL talking about some "you have the right to interfere" shit
god these frenchies cannot stop with their bureaucracy fetish
it should be a fucking given that the goddamn supreme kai can do what they want, the receptionist doesn't need to say a damn word

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>>568353890
Yeah it's a bureaucracy fetish not an Enma one. The ORDER must be preserved. Rules for the living and shit. Complete trash.

Obviously they also made Enma much more serious.

>>568352020
they gave Shin the slurpza look

>>568354734
It's not Shin it's some random Kaioshin (female, obviously) who's the only heroine that can take out Xxi.

By the way, did I mention Salagir stated he deliberately made lots of female fighters because Dragon Ball lacked them and he was fixing that issue?