Hotdog Edition >Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/05-22-2026-update.135477/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>568624519
>>568698307$250$500doesnt matter, might as well be worth $0
>>568698042we have a resident racebaiter
How would (You) fix the urn, /dlg/?
>>568698498whoever picks up the urn challenges the highest farmed on the enemy for the urn
What do you do when people feed graves 16 kills in 15 minutes?She's not super tanky but with a huge soul lead she can make up for it. Curse and disarm don't do much vs spirit graves.
>>568698391I think one context I can think of that's relevant to this would be some "daddy's money" kid who's inheriting his dad's wealth, but didn't necessarily work for itin america you're just seen as lazy or looked down upon if you didn't really work for your wealth (even though it isn't the most fairest perspective to have), but honestly? You can kind of larp anyway or just not give a shit about what they think, because you're still set for life in that scenarioI think people only get jealous about that sort of shit here, because we americans like to think in ruthless, competitive sort of terms at times. especially when it comes to money.it just comes down to you having to "earn your keep", because americans are melodramatic and foolhardily crude like that.I've truly never met anyone else that hates an american like another american does. Not every american hates each other, but there's a lot of resentment that most of the time, wasn't really any one individual's fault, but is still being dumped or pushed onto another person regardless.
>>568698592>what do when team feedhope you dont match with them again?
>>568698498it needs another like 5-10 seconds on the transport time because if you do anything but schmovement gawd directly along the river to dump it you start taking damage.
>>568699179>I've truly never met anyone else that hates an american like another american doesit's true it's funny how euros probably think they came up with shit like "amerifats" or "le 56%" etc. i bet it was self hating americans
Buff Silver.>she's le S tierNo she isn't.
Gun or spirit Lash?
>>568698592>playing Shiv against bots that don't buy Debuff Removerreal headscratcher.
i love victor
>>568698832>being permanently in debtyou don't even know how true this is manyou can't even start a well oiled business without telling the gov "hey, don't fucking tax me to death man, we're actually in debt" regardless of whether or not you're in debt.like that is the only way you can make money here. You have to be permanently in debt, always. There is no other option. Even Michael Jackson, with all of the catalogs he owned and being the world's most successful musical artist, despite making billions, was still massively in debt at the time of his death.
*locks silver in the baroness*S tier eh?
>>568699615I suck ass on shiv and have no idea how to play him right, but its fun to lure people into a corridor sometimes and kill them or get out of shit that shoulda killed you.Also its called dispel magic chud.
>>568699891dispel this.
>>568699456it's honestly both funny and sad in retrospect.funny in the fact that yeah, euros think they hate americans, but our hate for each other is truly second to none at times. It's definitely like an ego thing though, because of the shared inadequacy we have.being rich = having won in life, and people here are always holding themselves to the most unrealistic expectations and looking up to idols 'n shit, so people always feel ashamed of themselves here. That shame, rather than being pushed out onto other countries or ethnicities, is 90% of the time pushed out onto other natives here. It sucks. It isn't pleasant. With other countries I can see how there is a national comraderie that can bring them together and unite thembut in America you're basically just looked down upon for being nationalist, or even liking your country, either because there's already some schizoderanged nationalist making any somewhat nationalist americans look bad, or because of the usual "America is Amerishit!"we probably give euros and other nations a lot of entertainment though with how much fucked up political shit happens over here
>applies a basic dispel to the target and surrounds them with a protective shield.>for 6 seconds, any targeted enemy spell cast on the shielded target will be immediately reflected back to the original.lotus orb when?
Hazeniggers really think they deserve to live
If there's a tranny on my team, I throwSimple as
Deadlock is a firm reminder that there are "people" out there that do not deserve the warmth and kindness that humanity offers them and deserve all of the pain and suffering they endure, and more.
>>568700913I'll allow it as long as it's usable on teammates
>try ginnis>turrets = rape>wall = rape>ult = rape>all at the same time = giga rapewho the fuck is in charge of this character?she's unkillable AND does a ton of passive damagethere has to be an item that shuts down summons in aoe, this shit is TOO MUCHFUN
>Doorman cant close his door for 8 (EIGHT) seconds once openedThis character is literally dead to me now. What the fuck were they thinking?
why is the 4-30 update "yesterday" and why is it before the 5-22 update?
>>568701702They forgot to put all those other updates on Steam
>>568701702are you enjoying your state mandated goyslop celebration day, rebecca slave?
>>568701702When are we getting the Deadlock pride event???
>>568701808I wish I was Rebecca's slave man
>>568698498I would remove it from the game entirely.Finish the jungle and midboss properly before worrying about side map mechanics
>>568701808I played through the star chart and quit the game, so that wouldn't qualify me to be a slave.
whats wrong with warframe?
>>568701702everyone knows why you posted this
>>568701702thoughts on cookies?
>>568702216Plappable
>>568702216I used to bake protein sugar cookies. would recommend.
>>568698498>put the drop off point at the highest point in the city>only accessible by walljumps, no flying or lashing allowed>make the urn spot slippery, slowly pushing you off the edge and constantly draining staminaa real king of the hill mode, for real men
>>568702479based>>568702520I love protein on cookies
Is metro's popularity solely because of how insufferably toxic he is?He like the DSP of the deadlock community
>>568703038he's just angry and german with no bits or any funny habitshis stupid face will be forgotten just like every other ragebait streamer
>>568703038>metroi think he has a few legitimate fans + his educational nonstreamed content is fairly high quality (for complete noobs at least but thats the majority)
NERF YAMATONO FUCKING WAY THIS GOOK IS ALLOWED TO DO 1K DAMAGE 15 MINUTES IN, AND TELEPORT THROUGH WALLS ON TOP OF IT
play mokrill blyat
>>568703038There's an entire sect of pasty white european weaklings who like watching other pasty white european weaklings get mad at video games. They have no concept of art, or beauty, or anything of any value to normal humans, and only find enjoyment in schadenfreude, and even then the feeling is fleeting as they quickly remember they serve no purpose but lining the pockets of the few pasty white european weaklings who actually find some modicum of success.
>>568704104we're not your therapist bro.
>>568701618can't even reduce the CD either with superior cooldownjust "get fuarked"they call him The Man now
>>568703839Yamato would honestly be extremely tolerable, maybe even really enjoyable to play against if it wasn't for the fact that she can noclip through walls to get to youI mean seriously, Lash has to platform, Ivy has to fly, what the fuck kinda Japanese powers does Yamato have that make her so special? At least make the noclipping thing only apply to her ult or something if they're wanting to keep it
>>568704702They'd have the ability like three times faster if line of sight cancelled it
The all-hero learning challenge continuesLash feels powerful and yet I violently suck at him but damn if it isn't giving me opportunities to practice movementI'm starting to do stupid shit like doubling back up and around and through buildings while being chased and it's actually saved my life a couple of times
>>568703839>Cruel Angel Thesis plays increasingly louder as Yamato hookshots you from across the map
>>568704843I guess, any trade here is better than keeping the visual noclipping shitor if icefrog is really deadset on keeping it, just make the CD for it longer, and make it to where it's like a teleporting animation instead of some grapple hook shithonestly some shit like that though needs to be integrated into her ult still, because seeing a grapple go through a wall to get to you just feels unfair as fuck no matter how weak or OP she is
>>568704892I think Lash truly has a high skill-ceiling because of how he can manipulate his own movement to get himself out of otherwise unescapable scenariosthere's also the fact that you're Lash, and that playing as Lash gives you an extreme amount of confidence, so that even when you overextend a lot your enemies will literally need 3 people on your ass in order for them to feel justified in jumping you without any risk of you wasting their or time or you killing them
>>568701618it was likely a response to an oversight where doorman players would make a door right to their walker, ult some poor sap and trolley them into the walker with no way for the victim to escape back through said door.You can still do it though so really its just a nerf in doorman's survivability
>>568698498Instant deposit for comeback urn.Honestly I think it's salvageable in the context of the rest of the game's design, and the problem is people think the urn just needs more elbow grease. It can be made less annoying but it can never be good.
>>568705715*unsalvagabletypo, I'm saying this is a dogshit mechanic that can at best lean into comeback opportunity as opposed to team fight spam.
Just remove urn at this point holy shitIt's not like the voice lines are so precious considering that they literally scrapped the old male patron's voice
>>568698498Minimal change: Make it a King of the Hill instead of random chaotic punching bullshit, so you just have to stand near the deposited urn to be capturing itIf both teams are near the urn and have similar numbers of players the countdown freezesBigger change: Make it a one-sided comeback objective that spawns in the winning team's jungleThe losing team has to capture it and take it back to their baseThe winning team can't do anything with it but return it if it gets taken
>>568704586>get bells nerfed>get doors nerfed>have an identity crisis because top level players in the game can't handle a high-skill-ceiling character being played at their highest skill level ("nerf trickstabs!!!" equivalent for spy)Oh? What's that? You one-trick Doorman and are extremely skilled with using his doors? Nah fuck you just play him like a mindless ultbot then skedaddle away without using doors like everybody else. Maybe throw a bell or two
>>568706201This. I'm tired of the entire gimmick being "who can AOE spam, CC spam, and melee/parry the most"
>>568706132It's funny because the urn actually shrinks the game's strategic potential as the mid game is exactly the same exact thing every game, driven entirely by team comp.The urn was always horrible, even in Neon Prime, yet they still keep it.
>highest prio is graves>second highest prio is victor>lowest prio is seveni finally have fun with the game again
>>568706401>have an identity crisis because top level players in the game can't handle a high-skill-ceiling character Viscous mains know this better than anyone. Eternus players didn't want to adapt to a sort-of-powerful-but-kinda-annoying playstyle so they basically removed him from the game. Remember, we tell low mmr to suck it up and learn the game but high mmr gets to patch out subjectively annoying playstyles with no deeper justification. Welcome to Deadlock's balancing philosophy. Here's a late game scaler that also dominates late btw.
>There are 3 (THREE) trannies on my team>They're talking nonstop about yuri and girlcocks on mic and asking in all chat what everybody's pronouns areShould I start throwing? I'm already afking
>>568706401>have an identity crisisThere is no identity crisisHe's still OPThe doorman downplaying is disgusting, wow buddy you can't effortlessly kidnap people woe is you
>>568707090I'd rather that than listen to Russia vs Ukraine in the voice chat again.
>>568706783>>568706627>>568707062>either the enemy team is useless, and all of the fun is sucked out of the match as nothing about it is even remotely closeor>your team is useless, and by extension you're useless as well unless you're playing as an S+ tier hero character that can hypercarry your tardteam, otherwise you're fucked and have to be humilation ritual'd for 30 minutesdeadlock MM is a special kind of hell sometimes
>>568707242Deadlock Nightshift is secretly a way to get past Russian sanctions by giving prize money to Russian teams every week#SHUTDOWNNIGHTSHIFT
>>568707241Nah, I hate Doorman but the people complaining are usually marsupials as well.>hey guys doorman has vortex web and cheat death, either buy dispel or silence>no one counter buys yet chases doorman as he baits them at 1hp and doors away every time>enemy takes advantage of bad target priority and wipes teamEvery. Single. Fucking. Time.Not once did people listen or play differently.Same thing with Viscous and people unwilling to buy T1 counter items. The ego on these people.Even I believe that L->R has its merits for stat minmaxing but come on man.
>>568707048>"only eternus players are allowed to whine about the game, also only we are allowed to know about information from dev test servers that you don't that helps us in tournies and regular MM, also we make up fake tier lists because only WE are allowed to know what characters are OP or or not"some of the ''''''"""pros"""'''''' are a genuine blight on this game's health
I just want to fucking ascend to a rank that has actual humans in it man, no I get the troglodytes that die a dozen times in lane to onetricks, and nobody on my team will ever counterbuy
>>568701808I'm numb to it personally since it's in every mainstream game except valve games (yet). Also good god did they ruin the pride flag, at least it looked pretty as a rainbow now it's disgusting (BLACK PERSON INHERENTLY = GAY LOL) I geuss this is better since I was developing a negative reaction to my beloved rainbow due to all the acronymn propaganda spewed at me for a decade.
>>568706132>>568706503Just revert urn to last iterations dunking. I've had far more comebacks from last urn iteration compared to this patch or the previous one.
>>568707854Never forget the 6 million murdered black trans women you fucking chud. They could've gotten to play Deadlock and become Calico and Wraith mains, instead they got killed by bigots.
>>568707789it doesnt get better in ascendant
Why is it that every time someone or a group of people feed and you get mad about it people play defense for the shitters and leavers?Genuinely, why would you stand behind someone that's 1/11 at minute 8? Or a 1/9 leaver? fucking hate this game because of that.
>>568707669They really are. They want to reduce the game's possibility space and sculpt the meta into ensured pubstomps. One guy wants an m1 hypercarry meta (eg metro), the other wants an instant spirit burst hypercarry meta... It's never something good for the game, it's always self centered main character shit. Anything that breaks this mold is "bad game design", and if that's not convincing they call it "blizzard" or "riot" so people get unreasonably angry. It's almost political.Honestly taking feedback from these people outside of objective damage formula errors can kill the game. There is an obvious conflict of interest, what's good for their career/standing and what's good for the players.
>>568708108
>>568708203Positive vibes only :) Don't be mean to new people :) Don't backseat game :) If you get too toxic I'll post your Steam on Reddit and get them to mass report you :)
>>568708203its called having friends :)you should try it :)
>>568708203>Why is it that every time someone or a group of people feed and you get mad about it people play defense for the shitters and leavers?Never happened in my presence.
rePosting since I posted it in the dying thread by mistake.>>568708203>>568708402I'm calling the dude a nigger faggot kike feeder off mic but trying to keep the team's mental positive. If it's my friend I'm telling him to *not* do that play again and what he aught to of done.
>>568708291basically, how it's going right now is that eceleb pro players are holding the game's rep hostageand if these ecelebs don't get what they want, they just spam the same propaganda over and over until people believe them, complain about it on reddit or sum shit and THEN valve bends the knee instead of doing their own research to see if it's something the original claim is of malicious or ill meritAND YOU CAN SEE WHY though is the worst part. this game is in early access, so the game is extremely malleable right now. But 10k tourneys are happening because of this game, so there's actual money on the line. It only make sense that pro players would try to swing things in their favor the best they could, even if the connections some of them have aren't as direct as they'd like them to be
>>568708203>people feed and you get mad about it This usually causes a domino effect that turns team comms into wild animals trying to kill each other, which ensures defeat 100% of the time. I've won 4v6's, but I can't win with a team that's basically trying to int. And I say this full knowing this game is designed by absolute asswipes.
>>568708203>Genuinely, why would you stand behind someone that's 1/11 at minute 8?Because I understand that I too have violently shit the bed on more than one occasion, and as a result I am in no position to criticize the incompetence of others, at least not vocally
>Try Gun Geist>Mina in other lane dies 9 times in 10 minutes to a Paradox onetrick>Enemy team has a much better urn fight team comp>Gun isn't even my highest damage stat in the end it's my fucking bomb and all I did was get 4.8k spirit spikeI don't know if it's because I did shit or because AOEslop in urn fights is just that good
>>568708863people forget that there are ways to unintentionally int toolike if you kick and scream at the table while yelling at everyone, you're obviously going to spill some food
>>568708854100%, I've witnessed this crap live.>no one has issues with a certain hero>two eternus players start complaining, clip goes viral>character gets nerfed into irrelevancy as community discourse is poisonedThey have too much faith that feedback is genuine and not coming in with a self centered agenda.
>>568708971Likely both, though geist gun isn't holiday tier hard to aim. Honestly I think AoE sloppa build is how you want to play her now due to the Urn but I don't enjoy that so I just stopped queueing Geist.
>>568709073>unintentionally intI fucking hate language
>>568709250this is why no one says inting in dota
>>568709073>>568709250>unintentionally int(entionally feed)XD XD XD XD XD XD?????
>>568708625>I'm calling the dude a nigger faggot kike feeder off mic but trying to keep the team's mental positive.same. If I'm titled at somebody, I never mic that in-game but I do voice my opinions passionately about it irlI should probably just learn to chill out though
>>568698498>remove the urnthere
>>568709250how is "int" different from "feed"?why would you even use that as a shorthand for feeding uuugh with more intent than normal? unintentionally?
>>568709394I'm a calm person usually, but that is a hyperbole of me at my worst.
>>568709507feed = being a clueless retard that dies over and overint = intentionally dying to throw the game
>>568709354I guess you could call it unt instead of intbut people use int interchangeably with "feed", so it's not really that big of a deal
>>568709559I've played many multiplayer games, but Deadlock reminds me of the good ol' Xbox Live CoD 3 days where the lobbies would be rampant with extreme racism and language negligencelike even if a lot of trannies play the game, there's still a lot of offensive memes and shit everywhere because people just get *that* tilted over this game
>>568709507So in league of legends before they turned into an Orwellian Vidya people would intetionally feed (int) to end games faster. So int became a common slang there, which is different than feeding. However overtime with a revolving door of newfags int came to mean just feeding in general, and I first heard the term when it spread to Overwatch (a game you can't even int since any competent player gets their ultimate up really fast in that game)
I have the most dogshit aim imaginable, so I'm loving this meta where I can just throw AOEs and ults and win every urn fight
>>568709820I know what you are, autoaimer.
>>568709769It's cathartic to be able to say "Let's go Rape Mina" in VC and not worry about bans. I try to avoid saying Nigger in VC though since it puts you with likeminded people and those like minded people tend to be unhinged retards other times they're the least toxic and most fun; Funny how that works!
>>568709507the phrase is intentionally feeding. why would they repeat the same word twice?
*gulp*
>>568710390That's what you get for playing an Honest m1gger. Should of queued Haze/Mina than you'd be able to survive this easily.
>>568710390>Venator, Kelvin, and WardenHHHNNNNGGG... think of the bara...
why does graves root reapply? so it summons two ghouls, does burst damage, roots you for 2 and a half seconds and can also be triggered again? how about it curses you too why not please buff yoshi its just not strong enough
>block everything outside of the UK>mostly winning games, getting communicators>unblock everything to test>4 loss streak instantly not a single word spoken outside of chat banned niggers spamming voice lines passive aggressively>block everything outside of the UK>instantly get a normal team and winI'm beginning to think everyone outside of western europe is a subhuman. nordics included.
>>568710529>complaining about the floor being lava
>>568710529>how about it curses you tooOh you bet this will be what they do when they nerf Graves in a week to be a throw pick and then buff her to be Hitler level in a month
>>568710561>nordics includedI think they're mindbroken by their server also being the Russian server.
>>568704104tell us how you really feel
>>568710561Ranks have different definitions between regions. A running joke is that all of NA is low mmr. A larger thing is that there's hella language barrier in Europe/Asia regions, trying to figure out how to communicate to a Chinese person who doesn't understand English in a strategy game is an experience.
BLYAT PIZDETS SUKA URN MIDBOSS SLAVA ROSSIYA SLAVA HAZE!!!
>>568704104TRVKE. Reminder to lift, spend time exercising and not watch streamers when not Deadlock'n.
Are there any leaks for the next big content patch?
>>568710928I cycle around my area for like 40 minutes a day.
>>568710682>identifying something as hitler, hate crime, israeli, idfExplaining deadlock to someone is like explaining a dog to someone that's never seen one before !tts !yt
>>568711016all the leakers got executed
>>568703038Main carry farming, maybe next time. Metro, you, blyat you are so fucking inept nahui on seven stop playing seven please, don't play this hero. Go play m krill blyat, go play nahui, i dunno go play holliday blyat. Don't play seven this shit is not for you man. You don't know where to come in fights, you don't know what to do on map, you don't know how to lane blyat, you die 11 times on seven in 27 minutes nahui, you're autistic friend blyat. Need to do some game adjustments bro, it's not okay. Go play marvel rivals, I dunno, this game is not for you for sure. Yeah, terrible impact. Wow. Who would've thought? Trying to steal rejuv into trap, into paradox swap blyat, into mkrill, fucking fuck nahui
>have 59% spirit resist>graves dead heads hit me 12 times in 2 seconds for over 1500 damagewhat the fuck were they thinking with this braindead character
>>568711143Did she have 400 spirit
>>568711016
>>568711143blame her 3 for that
>>568711016>>568711103The leakers were so drama starved they burned their sources, even doubling down and arguing they have no obligation to protect their sources.No one from Experimental wants to leak anymore, Valve wins by doing nothing.
>>568711143That's how I feel about Yamato. That gook is literally oneshotting people even at full spirit resist
>>568711306that's what happens when leakers try and start stupid highschool drama shit over twitter 4chan internet points
>>568710660graves shitters think grasping hands is weak because it is the only ability in her kit that requires any kind of direct input from the player. the rest of her kit is either passive or literally plays itself. you are asking too much if you expect a graves shitter to effectively utilize one of the best ccs in the game
>>568710518the worst part is that i might've had a chance to get out but they repaused right after that one ended. and i pressed jump in between the pausesdidn't even hit the walljump let alone the edge boost when that pause ended, my dumbass missed the wall completely and double jumped
>>568711283>2025>bad extrapolation from datamines in public client side buildsAnyone who even sort of touched game development knows you aren't getting draft anytime soon, sorry.
>>568711283this is so fucking vague that you can tell all of the leakers are well and truly gone, and that this faggot is larping so he doesn't lose his following
>>568711467why do you think draft is so far away?I think it's coming with the next hero patch. and by draft I mean dota's all pick draft.
>>568711143it's funny because graves 1 didn't even get directly buffed powerwise, it's been the same as always it's just that people didn't know how powerful 1 + echo shard + heroic aura + escalating exposure is
>>568711449I keep telling people Ven's hard to play but they don't believe me and I asume it's only because no one can aim in their rank nor coordinate dives onto him. Just because his kit is simple doesn't mean having a frontliner hitbox as a hardcarry isn't infinitely more challenging than Haze/Mina etc. Maybe he's easy in eternus where people protect you but everywhere else it's hell on earth without a support pocketing you.
>>568711746it did get buffed though. the AI got fixed. they lowered the damage to compensate too.
>try to le source engine bhop>air jump accidentally and waste stamina while bhopping, and then immediately lose all of my horizontal momentumeven when this game wants you to play by its own movementroon rulebook, it still fucking blows at letting you be consistent with the techs when you're skilled enough to do them
>>568711691It limits the data they get from playtesting before the game meta is even stable. DOTA didn't get draft post launch because they were slow, it got draft post launch because they wanted the community to define the meta grassroots.
>>568711581>so he doesn't lose his followingHe's a blue checkmark account from Poland, posting on clitter is how he earns money, so making shit up is engagement bait for him
>>568711746vegas doesn't build ee on his jar graves and that confused the fuck out of me desu
i want to play but im stuck at work aieee
>>568711752sounds like a skill issue not a team issue. poor positioning and movement.people aren't playing him because he's a fat chud with low movement.
>>568711906i don't like the vegas build much i think it's a noob trap there are other better spirit graves buildpaths out there and escalating exposure makes the deadheads do so much fucking damage in urn fights and teamfights overall
>ban graves because I don't want to play against an overbuffed 60% wr faggot hero>matchmaking takes 10+ minuted>still get matched against Graves
>>568708618So lucky>>568708625>>568708863>>568708903That's the worst part, Im not even being aggressive at the person, I just point out how the lane fed and Billy fed. I guess what really gets me mad is the naivete of someone going "we can still win this" when they are 1/3, two teammates are getting railed up the ass, and one dcd, more so when it's as early as 10 minutes in the game.
>>568711906vegas is bad (for his elo) and overrated
>>568711143Please note that if you have 12 EE stacks, your spirit res no longer exists.
I genuinely can't wait until the Haze nerfs. These fags (often third worlder CSGO players) think they're hot shit because they pressed 4 and got a killstreak because nobody ever buys metal skin or disarming hex Just look at picrel, the Haze player is presented as the high skill expression character
>>568711691>>568711887Wait, my bad, I was skimming and confused draft for role queue.Still, for the purposes of gathering data they probably want some on-paper garbage team compositions. I don't know until when, however.
>>568712082Just set her to double prio bro, at least this way if she shows up you'll have guaranteed chance she's on your team.
>>568712119in a way yeah, but she kinda brings it all on herself with the way that she acts tbdesu
>>568711887dota had draft modes from the start though? maybe not -cm, it's been a long time, but that's been in the game since before dota 2.the all pick draft is a dota 2 feature, and we're 90% there, with the pre-draft ban nominee.
>>568712097>I guess what really gets me mad is the naivete of someone going "we can still win this" when they are 1/3I only heard this a few times, but they were very obvious Eternus smurfs that carried us out of a 4v6 once they got their spikes. If they're a carry and playing the game not like a complete moron, let them cook I guess.
>>568712224>mo n krill>hollidayyou can tell this was originally drawn by a redditor
>>568712069>>568712113Can you guys suggest a better build? I'm not full on abusing graves or anything. I just have her as second high prio because she's picked so much right now. I'd really rather be playing Ivy. But if I have to play her I'd rather do my best.
>>568712224I play a lot of Haze now since they changed her ult to be a cone. I do fairly decent as an assassain/pick character and often go on long killstreaks but I am not under the delusion there is any mechanical skill in what I do, and I understand aiming her laser pointers is far easier than managing the spread of other guns.
>>568712224she's going to get buffed. does she need it? no, but that's never stopped this dev team
>>568712224>disarming hexitem is a noob trap. she'll just max her invis and that literally dispels it.
>>568712485a combination of oses7 farmingbip vegas andrewchicken.
so why does oses7 think that getting fortitude means you can skip indomitable? I don't get the logic behind it since yeah, indom gives you resists, but the whole point of indom is that you get a free "out-of-CC-jail-free card", and fortitude provides none of that except extra health and a healing rite v2 passive outside of combat
>>568712687i don't think any of oses builds are good he's doing the same thing as that one tranny did where he makes average builds for every single vaguely meta character and calls it a day
>>568712485Osses or 659132 both literally frontpage builds.
Counter items are a noob trap. If you even have to buy them in the first place the game is lost. Blame the retard on your team that fed his ass off in lane
I have a confession, I have been winning way more since the urn changes. The only aoe slop character I play is pocket sometimes.
>>568712831Also greens are a trap, only buy damage
>>568712702I haven't been a fan of Fortitude since they removed the damage from it, but a lot of the classic E6 carry players are still valuing the item very highly.they probably know something I don't since I'm still an Ascendant shitter. I feel like the passive health regen never kicks in though, and if you're just going to buy something for the HP there are other things I'd rather buy instead.I notice wander just carries a casual Extra Health in almost all of his games and sometimes upgrades it to Colossus.
>>568712702On who, Mina? I asume it's an either or situation where if you went both your damage get's fucked over.>>568712832>The only AoE slop character I play is the best one and is pick or ban in organised play
>>568712832am I missing the joke or mina's reflection is a bit unnecessary in this shot?
>>568712831jungle camps are a noob trap aswell, give no money take too long
>>568712082Its not really a ban. Its an avoid. So they try to find you a match without Graves. (Not possible)
>>568712831>Counter items are a noob trap.?? so we're just gonna let the uhhhhh>warden>graves>doorman>mirage>geist>shivFuck us to death with their debuffs or CC n shit for freemmm yea okay
>>568713035If they're married she wouldn't be a vampire.
>>568712781that's why I suggested mashing together 4 builds. I think you should only be using public builds as a general guideline for the direction you should take your build since they're often outdated or poisoning the well.
>>568712781It's a baseline mostly but yeah they're mostly for promoting his stream (literally unwatchable due to his game settings)
>Heavy melee to queue up to a game>But there's a random chance the fortune teller parries you, which will instantly crash your game
>>568713538post on forums, unironicly
>>568712934The hp it gives is just really good.Solid buy on heroes like Seven or Wraith who are squishy and need that extra bit of health
>>568711752my struggle is mostly with resisting the urge to run at people, i've been having a pretty chill time with himwell also he's fat (bucket 2 when) but stam mastery IADs covers that endhaven't had much issues with getting hopped on unless i do something absolutely retarded and get 1v3'd with no stam
>>568712781I wish there was a site where we could archive the best builds for deadlock characterslike it ain't gonna be perfect or nothin' since the meta is always swinging a different way every thursday, but it'd still be nice for helping beginners find their footing somewhat with a build that has items synergizing with their kit
>>568712212well its a good thing that at least 3 people per game are buying EE!
>>568712781The issue is all the games to figure out what you can probably cut, like cold front on mina
>>568713538Neat April Fools feature.
>>568713538>>UGHHH MY TEAMMATES STINK I'M LEAVING!!!!!>initiate player leaves a game for the 3rd time in a row>>ooooo time to go into another lobby! hopefully it's better than the last o->heavy melees, only to get parried by the fortune teller>there's a pop up on your screen that shows up afterwards>you cannot play deadlock until [30 minutes later], please try again later>every time you try to heavy melee, you just get parried until your ban timer expires
>>568713749Resists are needed but kind of iffy if you get focused since your gun and spirit res will get shredded off regardless
REMOVE PARRIESTHEY ARE CHEATS
>>568713691honestly you should just run a standard gun build until you understand how the abilities interact.
>>568714205just buy indomitable abrams/billyGAWD
>>568714040>mason opening coal.webmthis is the perfect way to deliver punishments from reports and abandons. have them get parried and then the pop-up.
FUCKING STUPID FUCKING GRAVESI HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PLAY TODAY AND EVERY FUCKING LOSS HAS BEEN SOME FUCKING GRAVES ERECTING SEVEN WALLS AND THIRTY HEADS AND FOURTEEN COCKSUCKING SUICIDE BOMBERSYOU CAN'T MOVE AND YOU HAVE TO STOP EVERYTHING AND KILL THE FIFTY THOUSAND MINIONS SHE SUMMONED IN FOUR POINT SEVEN SECONDS FUCK GRAVES FUCK GRAVES FUCK GRAVES
>>568714040kek
If Yoshi releases the next major content patch, everything will be alright.
>>568714040Yosh do it.
>>568714420wouldn't it be kind of hot if after doing all that she stepped on your penis too haha
>>568713594maybe I should buy it on paige so I'm not running around at 500 hp because I stuck my big toe into someone's aoe
>>568714420A lot of people don't know you can actually parry the deadheads before they hit you, but the timing is tight. You should try it out.
>>568714040fuark... its kino...
I dont get how to aim vindicta's 4. sometimes it's right on the mark, sometimes it isn't. sometimes i have to lead the shot, sometimes i don't. is there any consistent way to land it?
>>568713594I'm buying it on literally everyone nowadays and upgrading to fort if I have an escape to make the regen useful.
>>568714923you click on the head bro
>>568714923There's network goofiness. Don't try to assassinate a leaping Lash, even if you line it up, it doesn't register.
Add an obese ugly bastard character alreadyHe does extra damage to Graves and Rem and emits a stink aura as his AOE, he gets a belly slam that stuns and his ult is a grab attack that initiates a rape animation
>>568714923In 2024 some people believed there was a delay to it, may be still true. I wish it was a projectile honestly since it being hitscane throws me off.
>>568715117This is just Mo and Victor combined
We have you now.
>>568715117noooo no pedosepstein diddy ahhh coded ahh charactwr
ADD DRAFT ALREADY
>lose the milissecond you load into a match where Victor, Silver, Graves, Dynamo, Mina and/or McGinnis is on the enemy teamWhat a fun meta. What an amazing meta. What a joyful meta.
>>568714214wait, maybe you're onto something...make it to where you can destroy urn as well, so no team gets any large soul advantageI don't know if that'd be like a second objective, but it could be like a "okay well fuck we're down by 100x, might as well make sure they can't get this urn either"That might make players into griefers though who try and destroy the urn for shits n giggles, but make it to where at least 2 or 3 people have to be actively destroying the urn maybe??or maybe just make it to where the urn's whole gimmick instead of capturing, is basically a "if we destroy it first, we get the soulsif you destroy it first, you get the souls" sort of thingso it doesn't just feel like the urn revolves around melee, CC and aoe spam
Remove urnAdd draftNerf Graves, Dynamo, and Yamato
>>568715523Pray they're bad enough to lose with that meta slave comp they won't and are all duos or a full premade
>>568715523>enemy team gets dynamo lash victor gravesnice dude nice!!!
>>568715117>and emits a stink aura as his AOEwe already have that but for Victor's 3, try again
I'M A JAR OF SOULS HERE PEOPLE!
>>568714040>buy melee charge to try to evade the ban>fortune teller buys rebuttal
>Parry a heavy melee>Try to heavy melee them>Get parried while they're still lying on the ground??
>>568715790nobody cares old man shut the FUCK UP
>>568715840ludokino...
Support players are such fucking scum, man>paige that runs out of position feeds 14 times and then stands in a corner>rem nigger that does nothing but farm all game and then cry asking why no one went in with the argument "brooo you have infinite HP" when in fact people did go in and he just never healed them>dynamo and kelvin that don't know their 4 button exists
YOU'D THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE EXCITED ABOUT A JAR OF SOULS!
>>568715643you forgot nerf grey talon because this ugly fucking heya hoya character just gets a free pass to be hyper cancer because some niggers play him as a drone operator instead of pummeling people with 1000 damage arrows late game every 0.7sjust wait until these ugly ass characters get remodels that are more thematically appropriate. 80% pick rate guaranteed.
https://gamebanana.com/mods/670958nice QoL (quality of life) mod
How did valve completely nail making a hero shooter without the traditional tank/dps/support roles?
>be support player>land strong CC every fight>save people constantly>look at scoreboard>I'm 8-6-20 and all of my carries are like 4-13now imagine if my playstyle wasn't trying to enable these people. they'd be literally like 0-20
>>568715117So you want gragas?
>>568716191because at 30 minutes in any hero can and could fill all 3 positions with varying levels of success
REMINDER: Autoaim is QOLAutoparry is QOLWallhacks are QOL
>>568716191here we go again. what is an abrams?what is a haze?what is a paige?overwatch/marvel rivals tourists hopping over to a moba and thinking there isn't blatant roles caked into heroes just because the shop is open to let you buy anything. WOW GUYS THIS GAME HAS NO DPS TANK OR SUPPORT THAT'S PRETTY BASED!>proceeds to pick the dps character and primarily buy damage itemsare you retarded
>>568716187this is already integrated into QoL, including the rem tunnels featurebut it is a nice mod nonetheless, yea
>>568716191>people like overwatch even though that game is just shooting into shields pathetically for 70% of the match>what if we didn't do that and added some source movement instead
>>568716191>>there are no roles!>check inside>fucking "TANK" written in bold lettering for the first hero you can pick in the roster
>>568716514Abrams can be a tank or a dps since his melees got giga buffedHaze can be a dps or a support, sleep dagger has insane spirit scaling and is CCPaige can be gun or support>he has never lost to a split shot Paige raping his team before
>>568698498instead of carrying, 1 player from each team enters the arena, winner gets the urn
>>568716187Anything to make the average player slightly less retarded>>568716824>Tank>Despite doing shittons of damage and dying in an instant if he fucks upIcefraud?????
>>568716839>>he has never lost to a split shot Paige raping his team beforeyes because I'm not in pisslow>support hazeinstant report
>I tell the intiiate rem that there are no roles, and he can just itemize however he wants because all the roles are "soft-suggested" rather than enforced>he then proceeds to build tank rem and go 0/15there are times where itemization is not a meme, and times where it is most definitely a meme
>>568715625>people target priority the urn to shatter it>doesn't matter because the whole point is that hard CC favors these player hotspots anyway.>dynamo continues getting obscene value out of his 4 + refresher
Parasite hero that allows me to take control of the enemy heroes when?
>>568717017>>dynamo continues getting obscene value out of his 4 + refresherdynamo ult shouldn't work through walls
>>568716191there are roles lmao it is nice that it doesn't matter for standard play but in eternus if your comp isn't good then gg
>>568716961>stay invisible behind your carry>bait enemy ults since they think your warden or wraith or whatever, is alone>rescue beam him to safety>sleep dagger anyone who chases>take the next mid/urn for free because they have no ultsuse your imagination a bit
>>568717017>"REFRESHER, REFRESHER! IF YOU WANT TO SHATTER THIS URN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET ULT'D TWICE BECAUSE OF MY FAGGOT ASS REFRESHER!!">"oy, again with the ult refresher! Why did I ever move to a reddit moba!?"
>>568714923It's hitscan but it's not latency compensated which means it'll connect slightly late depending on your pingJust go for safe shots
honestly don't know what to do with mcginnis. I can do tons of damage with ult build but it seems like fake damage because we still lose fights.should I keep trying it, is it just a team issue, or is the build actually dogshit and has low impact on the match?
>>568717231>stand out of LOS behind your carry>bait enemy ults since they think your carry is alone>rescue beam him to safety>use whatever peel you have baked into your support kit if anyone chases>take the next mid/urn for free because they have no ultsthe game literally tries to draft compositions based on heroes fulfilling roles. if my carry is supposed to be a haze and they build rescue beam and sabotage the game I'm reporting them.
>>568717517don't just hard crutch on your ult all the time. your turrets are easily the most annoying part of your kit, especially when paired with graves's zombiestry like an ult/turret focused build and see how that goes. Do a little experimenting
>>568717517if you're building lightning scroll then you can just kill 1 person for free every fight because he cant escape the aoe, pick your targets
>>568717517It's good if your team actually has people with CC who can shut people down for you to rain on consistently. Like a good Ivy/Paige player or something. You want to be able to ult freely from the backline and not just get run down. So you need your team to have presence so you can put damage out. If the enemy team is full of fliers you might as well just go full turret build instead.
>>568717586then why are there tons of drafts on stream with like 6 squishy spirit heroes or supports while the enemy has 6 hardcarry m1ggers? either you're lying or the system is heavily flawed
Urn should break if it's dropped too many times. When it's nearly broken it should crack and start leaking souls
>>568717517it seems better to build for both turrets and ult rather than purely for ult since you can get a lot more damage and utility out of the turrets than you would think. if you have turrets all over the place during a teamfight and the enemy is too distracted to kill them they do decent damage
>>568717839>the system is heavily flawedDING DING DINGshit compositions absolutely happen. this is why they've only recently started asking people "how good is this hero as a support/carry/frontliner"
>>568717679i just run away whenever i hear mcginnis ult and if im not walled i live 90% of the time
>>568718010>get hit by her once>stamina instantly feels 90% less distancelol
mina's rake doesn't kill skulls for some reason
>>568718182>my braindead ability that rapes t1 camps instantly at 2m and heals me and is also a super spammable nuke for trading and is also an execute should also completely delete graves as a herofuck off
>>568718182kevins ice beam doesn't kill them too it just makes them look frozen
>>568718182skulls only take damage from weapon bullets, abilities never affect it
>>568718450>should also completely delete graves as a heroYesFucking kill yourself
>>568718010if she hits you with a single rocket thats like a 80% slow AND a stun if she has lightning scroll. a lot of characters are just fucked. you wither stun her or she just walks you down for free. slow stacking needs to be looked at and heavily reduced. still remember a beam kelvin getting mystic slow and slowing hex and just assassinating people because people couldnt move at all
>think about playing deadlock>memory of my last game of a victor just standing on the urn while their paradox bombed the urn and their seven ulted the surrounding areamaybe i wont play today actually
God I want to fuck victor so fucking bad please give me beautiful victors when I play later tonight
>the team is doing urn>my team just leave me alone to go do it not to split push no no to kill a single bebop on blue
what happened to that guy who only wanted to play graves and afked when he couldnt get her? they used to post a lot but im assuming they quit?
>urn urn urn urnum not my problem as a pvp mode player have fun farming camps to even beat the fed haze
>>568716824>Tank>Made out of paper unless you're up by 10k souls
>>568718771suicide at the forefront of the mind of a tranny mina abuserclassic
>graves throws a jar at me full health>skulls follow me through 3 sanguine retreats>instantly diegreat moment for a global health nerf
>>568720091Get fucked
>>568720091100% deserved for playing dishonest heroes
>>568719930replaces "haze" with "graves" or "warden" and you're spot on
nothing better than buying slowing hex as my second item on bebop against a mina lane and just raping her over and over
>team never wants to do urn>we losewow what a shock
>>568720560Post team comp. Very possible they got cucked from draft alone and they're smart to not even contest.
>>568716824I main the bomb and mindgames roles
>team wants to win>we lose
>>568720091Mina looking very healthy
>>568720648
>>568718842Sorry that may have been Me.
>>568720091Build fortitude dumbo
>>568714884>Gun Holliday>Actually a Spirit build in disguiseTroons can't help themselves.
Love this game.> Queue McGinnis> Have a Pocket/Lash duo I recognize as being boat anchors> They both feed like crazy> Pocket tries to run urn, I go get my turrets set up near dropoff site and ult as soon as the urn is deposited> Get three kills but they get urn because my team refuses to hit it> Lash screaming at me on mic for not stopping my ult to hit the urn
>new objective: Soul Furnace>whenever you pick up the Soul urn, you can either take it to the deposit, or the furnace>bringing it to the furnace allows you to destroy the soul urn>destroying it grants no souls or bonuses but prevents it from spawning for a long time>as you get closer the Soul urn will start panicking and begging for its life>it screams in pure agony and suffering while being burned
urn is literally ruining this game but the devs are too busy pulling their penises
>YOU'RE DEAD>does no damage>immediately dies
>>568720838maybe but i also had a string of like 8 games straight vs beam kelvin and i almost uninstalled.
>>568720820The enemy had an edge when it came to urn unless your Abrams and Bebop were playing out of their mind. Paige + Graves + Apollo + Mina + Talon is just better at it.Don't hate the player, hate the game. Shit meta.
>>568720985guess which is the gravesbut for real tho, if she already ulted and echo sharded the jar, what now? silencing or even cursing her isn't stopping them, skulls are following you through blinks, they last more than an ethereal shift, what now?
>>568721567im on the bottom side anon...im the mina
>>568707048>Late game scaler that dominates laneWraith? Mina? Haze? Mirage? Celeste?
>oh god, not again>turns into a 1m range melee character in a movement shooterS++++r is unstoppable
>>568721676Oh, xdYeah I guess gg go next at that point. Or don't go next, ragequeuing isn't healty.
>>568714515mein fuhrer...Yoshi.....
>>568706401I have no sympathy at all for Doorman players because he is a fundamentally flawed character that will never be enjoyable to play against, at all. Unfortunately, like a third of the characters in Deadlock are like this, so the game really is never going to be in a tolerable state.
>>568721731Celeste is arguably the worst laner in the game. She's more of a mid game carry with a functional but not infinitely scaling late game.
>>568721741>Oh god... not again.>AWOOOOOOOOOO>*Heals for 500 HP*>*Leaps away around a corner*>*Ziplines out*
>>568721917>that will never be enjoyable to play againstthis is such a meaningless phrase. Is getting CC'd ever enjoyable?
60% winrate with 51% pick rate>60% winrate with 51% pick rate60% winrate with 51% pick rate>60% winrate with 51% pick rate60% winrate with 51% pick rate>60% winrate with 51% pick rateNerf hotfix IMMEDIATELY
>>568721731I genuinely hate laning against wraith. getting hit by cards around walls for 200+ with 0 spirit items, is never in any danger because of teleport, and if you even DARE think about getting near guardian you get ulted into it and die with no escape>>568722014drifter is easily the worst laner in the game and its not close
>>568721630shoot or melee the skulls, retard. ricochet works on them too which you get pretty often on mina
>>568722328I DIE IN A SECOND NIGGA IT'S 20 SKULLS AT ONCE, MORE THAN MY FUCKING MAGAZINE SIZE, AND THEY ALL ATTACK OUT OF SYNC SO YOU NEED 3 MELEES TO KILL THEM AT THE VERY LEAST IGNORING THE OTHER 5 NIGGAS AND GHOULS HITTING YOU
>>568722319>drifter is easily the worst laner in the game and its not closeHis gun is incredibly easy to aim and his Stalker's Mark (if you can land it consistently) makes low HP escapes a near ensured impossibility. But I would agree that he's tricky to pilot. When he's good in lane he's really damn good, when he's not he does nothing. Sink or swim.Celeste, she's basically playing lane to not outright feed. You unironically want to pull a Metro 4.8k green rush with her and box run, unless you have a matchup advantage.
>>568722014>Celeste>Bad in laneShe wins every single trade for free, has an auto-aim gun, built in sustain, and her ult is unavoidable in lane unless you are already in cover (and it will bounce around cover anyway)
Graves is like B tier, just buy counter items.
>>568721630Ricochet melts her options.Just think about what you would pick to melt waves and camps of minions.If you're feeling sinister, pick a gun hero and hope the enemy gets the graves.by mid-late game she'll have wished she picked another hero
>>568721630oh idk champ; maybe melee like 20 of them during the first attack and/or shoot them from a distance. oh and actually use your gun and abilities on the zombies or just wallbounce-doublejump over them for a free clear if you know how to train
>>568722319Wraith is just a miserable character since she is just not interactive at all for anyone playing against her. She can't be gone on because of the teleport, does way too much damage between the cards and the super easy to aim high-velocity bullet hose gun, and her ult is just "I get a free kill every minute"
>>568721630another thing, if the graves already has echo shard and you dont even have a single spirit resist T2 item I think you uninstall at that point>>568722561oh nvm its a skill issue
I have to say in 2024 when I first played this game I really did not expect the melee system to be completely untouched for two years. yeah parries are more punishing now but you can still punch through parries depending on ping and punch people 14 feet away from you. Maybe its me but I did expect the jank to be worked out of the game by now
>>568723134You don't understand, this is Urnlock, melees are only for the Urn. The entire game is all about the urn.You are a fool for thinking melees would ever be made balanced, or parries wouldn't be disgustingly overpowered still.
>>568721917>he is a fundamentally flawed character that will never be enjoyable to play againstWatching the enemy Doorman relentlessly hound and kidnap my team's Graves is extremely enjoyable.
>>568722271We hear you. Emergency bebop nerf incoming. Thanks for your feedback.-Yoshi
>>568722663who cares if his gun is easy to hit when nearly every character in the game out DPSs him and how are you are you going to get these enemy laners to low health? you have low range, a mediocre burst on a semi long cool down and current health % based bleed on a long cooldown. Oh and the burst means you need to be close, which you get traded for, which most of time ends with drifter taking more damage than the person he jumped.celeste however gets a spamable aoe thats stacks her damage, a shield that silences and a gun steroid that heals her all with auto tracking bullets that hit through guardian. dont even compare the two bro
>>568723261That's only because Graves is also a mistake of character design and watching her die is funny. It's honestly quite impressive how out of the last 12 characters added to the game, only like two or three of them aren't colossal mistakes.
one day I wish to play this sandbox deadlock where you always have all your skills and items you need when you need them and it's always a 1v1
>>568722708>has an auto-aim gunThat moves at like 1m/s and does literally nothing unless the enemy is marked with Light Eater which requires her to be at point blank.>her ult is unavoidable in lane unless you are already in cover (and it will bounce around cover anyway)Literally just track her ult cooldown, it's one of the longer cooldowns in the game. The bounce radius is tiny until she itemizes ability range so you can just dash jump and wait three seconds to clear it while not taking any additional ticks of damage even when hit. It doesn't even do a lot of damage without explicitly getting t4's. If you're dying to her ult in lane, you were already low.If you want to molest Celeste in lane, literally just learn what her abilities do. She becomes really predictable and there's a reason she has one of the lowest winrates currently.Mid game, she's a demon. Late game, she usually one tricks one of two playstyles (off-tank, ult bot) but is less scary. But early game, nah, she's literally shit.
>>568723514None of these are actually good, just buy counter items.
Would you rather have victor with purge on 2 or 75s ult cd
>>568722561You might be doglow, dog.
>>568723324Stalker's Mark does max hp, not current hp.
Flopping tranny deadcock.
sticky bomb should execute enemies below 15% hp
>>568698498Give the option to just destroy it Locations closer to the spawn and delivery points where you can drop it off so neither team can benefit from it.
>>568724559Make it give 3 golden statue buffs upon destruction
>>568724554ill fucking uninstall
FLIP FLOPPIN' TRANNY DEAD COCK
new comeback urn is horrible>no vents near pickup point so running it is much slower>team doesnt get any buffs unless its being deposited so if the enemy just pushes up they just kill you super easily>game is now 5x more dependent on if you get good urn heros or not, if you don't you just lose
>>568724285
>>568723840140s CD ultJump Start no longer has charges but purges again
Calico and Rem should be able to take the urn into the tunnels, you can't change my mind because it's the biggest trvth nvke of all
>>568724992>100% ban/pick rateepic...
I put a furry skin on Calico and she's much more playable now
>>568698498like others have said, just remove it. We dont need something on the map that shows up every 5 or 6 minutes that goes "DING DING DING OKAY EVERYONE TIME TO TEAMFIGHT!!!" that shit's so forced and doesnt feel organic at all. So either remove it or make it give like 1/3rd of the souls so it isnt a must do objective by everyone anymore.
>>568725532Secondary objectives are fine, see LoL, it's just urn is retarded because the devs don't even know why it's there. Icefrog made an ultimatum, if the urn goes he goes.
>>568725832The main problem with the secondary objectives in Deadlock is that they are too quick to complete if you aren't directly on top of them when the other team is doing them.Urn deposits way too fast, Midboss dies way too fast, Walkers and Guardians die way too fast, it's just not fun.
>>568698498Just revert it to how it was 2 weeks ago. There was absolutely nothing wrong with old urn.>but noboddy ran it!Entirely a skill issue.
>we're stomping the enemy>someone just runs urn in the background while we slaughter them all>70k money differenceyeah real nice comeback mechanic there lol
>>568726164>Midboss dies too fastThey could easily fix this by just making him immune to debuffs so you can't just armor shred and rape him to death. Also the concept of 800 soul monster rounds giving you 25% resistance against him is just retarded too. Scrap that and throw an extra 5% damage to NPCs on that item. Job done.
If I main Bane in Dota who should I play in deadlock?
>>568726176>enemy gets celeste/holiday>free urn forever>enemy gets aoe slop spam now>free urn foreveryou're right in that it took some skill to do the previous iteration, but draft diff could still make it an insufferable interaction. like oh great all our heroes are slow as shit with no mobility. time to watch viscous, celeste, holliday zoom around the map being untouchable.
>>568726527Viscous can't do the urn as fast as Holliday or Celeste, or as easily.Celeste was just free urns forever, she's still free urns forever with the aoe slop.
>>568726331Did you play him for the ult or for the suck
>>568726331mo or haze I guess?
>>568726707For the ult, mostly to be an annoyance desu
we have you now
How do I stop my damage from being so low on Silver? I feel so useless
>>568726871Mo n krill
>>568726164the game as a whole plays way too fast, and they're dumb for trying to make it even fasterwhat people don't realize is that the game isn't slow; it's all of the comeback mechanics that drag a game out by endlessly flip-flopping advantage back and forth
>>568727193Yeah and the movement mechanics being so overtuned and badly designed in terms of actually performing them, it results in the game just being less and less fun to play.
FIGHT FOR AVALON*NEIGH**hits nothing*
>>568726871Mo's your man You might also like Doorman
FIGHT FOR AVALON*NEIGH**everyone on both the friendly and enemy teams get horse cock in their ass*
>>568727193No, it's because lack of vision leads to decision paralysis. Imagine the fog of war in a top down MOBA except it's permanant. Many obvious pushes are left on the table since that information just is not there.Deadlock plays with the MOBA formula, omits core mechanics, yet is too precious towards the MOBA foundations so it's strategically just shit. Not different. Not interesting. Just shit.
> Graves isn't OPI don't care if it's shitlow, a 2-12 Graves buying a gun build that hasn't been viable in months and is especially non-viable now and who was actively a non-entity in teamfights should not have the most player damage for any reason. All of that damage was Jar of Dead, by the way.You wouldn't expect gun-spec Geist at 2-12 to have top damage with bombs. You wouldn't expect gun-spec McGinnis at 2-12 to have top damage with turrets and ult. You wouldn't expect gun-spec Ivy to have top damage with her vines. This shit needs to be cut.
>>568727918shitlow or shithighricochet makes her completely irrelevantwe're not saying it as a meme, it's actual advice
>>568716187I need a QoL mod that draws where I need to aim my crosshair based on my and the enemy's velocity vector, like those aim guides in fighter plane HUDs.
>>568727918>>568728040Forgot my image. The point isn't that Ricochet stops the skulls, the point is the skulls shouldn't do that much damage in the first place especially with not even 6.4k spirit investment.
I'm rock hard for Ivy.
>jump>press q twice wow so hard dudes lets nerf graves into shittiness again so we can buff infernus again
>>568728162I think there are bigger issues here, like the 9.5k damage venator buying TESLA ROUNDSbut yeah Graves is an OP faggot character
>>56872816229k isn't that much damage and arcane surge + heroic aura buffs the fuck out of the skulls
>>568727128The hero is just bad, nothing you can do about it
haven't seen even one apollo since patch, is it THAT bad?
>tfw everyone's laserfocused on graves this patch that nobody's bothering looking at gun victor still being a fucking menacelmao
>>568728336It's victor post-purge removal level of bad
drooling retards who have never touched graves before are climbing 12 tiers this is release Shiv levels of freelo we're approaching
>>568728454that means we'll see gun apollo in like 2 months just crushing games, august update is in peril
>>568728610i can't even get graves despite having her as the highest prio and i could get graves when she first released 8/10 games easily
>>568728241>Jump>Press Q once>Take 700 damage from skulls>Take another 600 damage from a zombie exploding on you>Take like 600 damage from Graves shooting you with her auto aim gun>Press Q again>Already dead
Calico deserves a buff after all this, Valve took the damage nerfs way too far.
>>568714040Parryschizo will literally kill himself
graves gun needs an additional 100ms disadvantage on denies
so we can all agree we've learned to never ask for a patch again right?
Parries shouldn't be in the game.Heavy melees should be interrupted by light melees.
>accidently imbue surge of power on wrong skill>have to sell it>lose 1.6k souls instantly at 7 minutes because i stepped out of the shop area
>>568714248umm you don't get stunned being parried with billy if time your ult correctly
>>568729404whats the counter to mashing light melees or is that just what both parties are meant to do in close range
>>568729535shooting them in their face
>>568729535headshots
>>568729535Just do a 360 and walk away
>95% of games are just stomps now>pro players publicly saying they may switch games or take a break>draft is even more dependent due to urn>game requires little skill to win, just spam AOE CC ults everywhere>0 combeback mechanics in low elo (vast majority of games)after 8 years in development, deadlock is in it's worst state ever.
>>568729102If they're keeping the confirm/deny system (which they probably will even though it's shit), then shooting the soul early should prevent you from confirming for the next 75-100ms so that you can't spray it like how high firerate heroes currently do, and melee hits should bypass the timer entirely, at least for confirms.
I'll admit, I haven't been in many other multiplayer generals in /vg/ but this easily the worst I've seen in regards to anons downplaying their favorite overpowered heroes. If there's another general worse, let me know because I don't think it exists.
>>568730440worse than neon prime??
>>568730528just make it so you have a 150-200ms window to confirm it before it can be denied
>>568730528I'm certain it actually already works this way. I play Ivy religiously and have dabbled in some McGinnis play and if I just spam fire at my own souls it's like, I get them anyways. But if I'm trying to go for denies I've seen way more success just firing right as the soul lights up.
>>568727128You need to hit your shots consistently and pray the enemy team doesn't cuck you with counter items.Rotate effectively. You cannot farm so you need to BROOOOOOOLThis is the only advice I can give sorry
>>568727128silver isn't a dpsshes a tank-utility who buys slop like hexes, knockdown, green items, unstop, and then just runs into the enemy team to use up their cooldowns
>r*ssian nameINSTANT MUTE
>>568698334Ivy players that go gun in this meta have to be the biggest retards on the planet
>all green items are specifically designed to rape spirit burst>there is no actual counter build to gun other than metal skin
who wins in the competition for worst item in the game>crushing fistsor>hollow point
>>568732294Acktually I am a hybrid support character. I buy weakening/crippling headshot and Heroic aura.
>>568720091Mina Ha... Easy on the greens...
>>568732527Gun is designed to be better in Uber late game
>>568732538Crushing fists since its just too expensive.Wow, a 0.5 stun for every 3 heavy melee... WORTH!!!!The damage is fairly lackluster for a t4 item too, the ammo isn't something you need either if you're going for an actual melee buildThe item is just confused. Needs a proper rework.
>pick pocket>teleport into enemy team and press 1 button>win automatically doesn't matter if you went 0-11
>>568733016That's DotA aoe ults baby
>>568721917>its not fun when i get outsmartedjust be smarter than the doorman
GOD he was big...
>"bebop is doing like noe damage in these fights, what did he build?">only 2 items, trophy collector and crushing fist
>>568732948gun is better at basically all points in the game thoughbeit
>>568727918>>568728162If she throws a jar at someone and they successfully escape her by focusing on movement or using abilities/items, the skulls get a bunch of free hits so she pads damage without actually being able to kill you, kinda like bomb geist. This graves did a bunch of trash damage, didn't chase kills and had basically no kp, and never split push based on that horrible objective damage stat. She was useless and her team lost. This is what an OP hero looks like to you? I dread the thought that the balance team listens to people like you and the deadlock reddit.
>>568733016funny part is, many pocket are bad at this
>>568698592>What do you do when people feedYou go to that lane and help kill the fed carry(graves) before they gain momentum. Tho desu with you it's hard to salvage that match, graves's whole shtick is that she's weak early and only comes online mid game if she doesn't get stomped, if graves actually wins early it's beyond over>Curse and disarm don't do much vs spirit graves.You're supposed to overwhelm her, especially since that graves has no lifesteal so in a 2v1 she can easily waste the ult and die
theres a reason it's called TRANScendent cooldown ladies :3
>>568703038lolcow
>>568733382Its gotten to a point that a lot of spirit heroes are better off rushing their 4.8k gun spikeThe Spirit is better early meme needs to die.
>duo will play poe2 all weekendits over i have no one to pocket support
>>568727918>I don't care if it's shitlow, a 2-12 Graves buying a gun build that hasn't been viable in monthsthat isn't a gun build you retard. resto, mystic, and heroic aura are core, toxic is optional but often taken because heroic makes it proc super fast. the only weird buy is k dash. it was just a shitstomp where nobody on her team lasted long enough to make any money, so she couldn't afford echo shard
>>568733779Spirit is better early (when my base damage is 200 on a 10 second cooldown of course)
>>568708203If we're already behind the last thing i need is for retards on my team to fight amongst eachother
>>568698498Have the soul urn do what it's named to, it collects souls.>Player grabs the urn and has a drop location but it starts with little to no souls >In a large aoe around the urn it pulls half of all and mutiplies them like 1.2>Enemy team can still steal the urn and collect souls with it.>Comeback mechanic is changed that the collected souls are worth 1.8x>If neither team deposits it by the time it despawns/respawns all the souls collected with it are wasted.
>>568703038he has really good game iq but if you dont play exactly like he wants to then his plan starts to fail and he looks like a shitter
The only good smurf is a dead smurf
how come mina became the tranny/eskay hero?
>>568708203>shittersNobody benefits from some fag whining that yellow lane fed. You're just pissing off the two people in that lane and they're probably gonna play even worse now or just mute everyone out of frustration. Just accept that yellow lane fed, maybe suggest they stop running it down and just hold down a couple lanes to catch up on souls, and if they don't listen then you can talk shit about them towards the end when the match is unsalvageable.>leaversI've never seen anyone defend leavers.
>>568734328Too difficult for biofems
>>568734328>eskay?
>>568703038i think a lot of his bad rep is because he's an OW immigrant and other OW immigrants that play this game already hate him so he's got sort of a pre-installed anti fan group
>>568734389every time i see a fem playing its always kelvin or dynamo
>>568728241>press q>goes through skulls>hold q>never registers despite the forwards travel>shoot>skulls move when you least expect them, wasting half your mag:(
>>568735151Gravesfags are liars. You can't just melee the skulls.
A really cool QOL tool would be something that tells you what country a player is from and having an option to premute players automatically from those countries.
Just to make sure, we do all acknowledge that obviously on some level the Graves whining is a skill issue given that her wr is 5% lower in E6 lobbies vs other ranks, right?
>>568735497QOL lock leaks IPs you can see them (if you wanna leak your own IP lol)
It's pretty insufferable how the slavic brain can only process aggression. You can't ask them politely to do something. They just think you're a faggot. You have to get into a literal shouting match with them to get them to stop being KD baiting pussies all game. It's the only thing they understand. It's exhausting.
>>568735542I think I've genuinely only felt a threatening graves like once since she was released. And that's only cause they got fed. I just get the impression it's the classic of 'hero sucks at flash farming so they can't hard carry a game unless they get fed like 15 kills'
>>568735948what's flash farming?
>>568735542It drops from 59% to 54% you faggot
>>568735542>Graves is fine because she is only 55% WR at the top 0.01% of playersthis is your brain on compfaggotry
>>568735948Basically the case at high elos. Graves has a weak lane and terrible farm without split shot (which spirit builds don't get). If it wasn't for urn brools starting at 10 minutes, a Graves who's behind after lane would be useless. If they ever revert the urn, people will be shocked at how quickly she'll fall off. She relies a lot on either somehow getting kills in lane (shitlow) or just standing around the urn fight long enough to farm some kp + urn souls.>>568736131So 5% lower? Smartest Graves whiner.>>568736139I didn't say she was fine, I said the best players seem to have a relatively easy time handling her so clearly on some level it's a skill issue to think she's overbearingly strong and uncounterable. Obviously she's too strong on this patch when she has a 50+ wr at every single elo.
>>568736250>relatively easy time handling herThey're still losing against her more often than winning
>>568736420Are you actually dumb or trolling me?
>>568736484Are you? They're not having an easy time with her since they're losing against her more often than not
>>568734936It's always Victor for me
>>568736582RELATIVELY easy. As in they're struggling less than shitlow. As in their skill difference suggests that being better means you win against her more.
