#1297: Moon demon EditionPrevious: >>570146246This general is for the discussion of original, fan made, or look-alike Mega Man games as well as original titles developed by Inti Creates.>/mmg/ newsMega Man Starforce Legacy Collection out now https://youtu.be/PTct687LRmQ [Embed]Mega Man Dual Override announced for 2027 https://youtu.be/8i97QCOWSC4 Rockman EXE Phantom of Network PC Porthttps://github.com/StraDaMa/PoN_PCNew official licensed smartwatch pre-order announced, a new way to Mega Man 2>Fan game news:Mega Man: The Rise of Ra Moonhttps://gamejolt.com/games/MM25_2/566983Mega Man 64https://github.com/MegaMan64Recomp/MegaMan64RecompiledMega Man DXtremehttps://youtu.be/C9_ykoYqm44 Mega Man X Viral Nightmarehttps://youtu.be/AVToZHXwlsE Mega Man Whttps://megamanw.com/>/inti/ news:Kingdom's Return out now https://youtu.be/uOW6WmLpUkU Majogami out now on PS5 https://youtu.be/-j3Rl762aT4 Gunvolt Chronicles Luminous Avenger iX 1+2 Dual Collection releasing on 7/9/2026 https://youtu.be/gvB2DzQ24Q4 Gunvolt Chronicles Luminous Avenger iX 3 coming in 2027 https://youtu.be/R9-kBPHYMPs Gunvolt Trilogy Enhanced Switch 2 Edition coming in 2026 https://youtu.be/TuAm0HVVkVEThe GV3 portion of the OCW has been scannedhttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YrbaqiF0CsIaZsAwFIeUfM-vLI1MVoYjSomething Gal*Gun/Guardians related has been teased in Famitsu's 40th anniversary spread with artwork featuring two new characters>Other:Translations of Classic mangas on mangadexGamescom will save us>DiVE Linksrentry.org/xdaibu (game, emulators and other stuff)>Koikatsurentry.org/mmgintikk>Melt Stuffrentry.org/mmelt melt 2 its real>Game Downloadsrentry.org/mmglinksHas all MM games, MN9, romhacks, patches + BN cia files>Audiovisual Mediarentry.org/mmgintimediaContains:Cartoons, Anime, Comics, Manga and other printed media - Music Playlists and albums
>>570446815>moon demonNow you're just asking for it.
Thanks all for joining the 20th and final episode of Super Robot Wars Z2: Ruin - Age of Ruin.We fought Levs on the shadow moon, and the world lived happily ever after, for sure.This was the longest melt game to date, and I believe the second longest session.See you next Z2~
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>>570447652Kino game from start to finish and the sequel is even better.The wait for part 2 will feel as endless as our debt.
>>570447901but anon...
>>570447949what the fuck, that fast?
happy iris day to all who celebrate
>>570447652wasn't there some 8 hour Z2 run>>570447901where trianglewhat's amuro doing there
>>570448312I have a version that works on emulator but not yet on hardware, about as translated as about halfway through hakai melt.
>>570448454>wasn't there some 8 hour Z2 runthat's to my knowledge the longest meltfunny knowing that Z2 has the longest melt (total) and longest melt session
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>>570448481wew, well it's gonna be a while before we melt it since we have to jump to keyblade shenanigans so surely that's enough time to get it working.
>>570448684well now that I have unveiled its existence, we have to discuss bbs vs. mm vs. z2.2the thing about melting z2.2 is it also helps me playtest and find things to fix, so melting actually speeds up the development
>>570448527then it's still third with a few minutes behind rondomelt>>570448684the translation simply cannot continue at all without our incredibly valuable review sessions, surely you understand
>>570448970>7:42 vs. 7:33darn so close, we should have wasted more time reading encyclopedia entries
do we melt that hackrom or sleep for sat
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>Page 10 already
>>570447727The moon is looking quite lovely
>Copen vs Zonda>Kirin vs ZED>Gunvolt vs NovaThis is how inti pairs up its protagonist and antagonist in all its post GV3 trailers and art. So which archenemy pair is your favorite?
>>570460462>Copen canonically gets cucked out of fighting his officially approved villain counterpartTo answer your question, probably GV and Nova. Kirin and ZED are more like frenemies. I can see them cycling between being pals and adversaries in the future, but never really hating each other too much. It'd be like Trigger and the Bonnes or Shantae and Risky post Pirate's Curse. Copen and Zonda are complete opposites in terms of personality, drivers, and motives. Copen is a rich and elite prude living in a massive mansion who basically hates everything but his sister and maid, while Zonda is a love obsessed orphan with barely any hate in her who spent the first half of her life homeless and penniless. Yet Zonda is ultimately set up as Joule and Mytyl's reflection, not Copen's. That leaves GV and Nova, who share an origin story as SFIT and have deep-seated psychological issues with one another that extend past whatever conflict they're engaged in. They bring out the worse in each other as GV triggers Nova's inferiority complex and abandonment issues, while Nova drives GV into a rage with the way he picks at his actions, showing them in the most uncharitable light (ironically, mirroring the way GV often picks at his enemies).
>>570460462Nova and GV are the bestContrasts :>Weapons : Nova uses Glaives (melee/"outdated"), GV uses Guns (ranged/"modern").>Allegiance : Nova is loyal to Sumeragi (a large collective), GV is freelance (himself).>Septima : Psychokinesis is complete control of MATTER, Azure Striker is complete control of ENERGY.>Color Scheme : Nova = dark colors with gold accents, GV = bright colors with silver accents.>Philosophy : Nova is utilitarian (1% suffer so the rest can prosper), GV is idealistic (good people should be happy).>Utopian Dreams: Nova wants a world where everyone can be happy, GV wants a world where bad people are all punished so good people can be happy.>Diplomacy : Nova tries reasoning first, GV goes in guns blazing.>Attitude : Nova is refined and calm, GV is blunt and cocky.>Companions : Nova is a solo act, GV has Joule.Ways Nova is similar to GV :>Origins : Both were Adepts created through the Gunvolt Project.>Goals : Both seek a peaceful world.>Names : Nova's Japanese name is Shiden (Purple LIGHTNING), Gunvolt is self explanatory.
>>570460462>Copen vs ZondaCanonically didn't happen. Copen has to be one of the worst handled deuteragonists in all of shonen, literally his entire character legacy is just saying outrageous things and losing a lot, then fucking off with zero closure. He's like a joke character.So yeah, I'm on the bandwagon as well. Nova and GV.
>>570464683>Canonically didn't happen.I'm just saying that's how inti sets up its rivalries. Zonda is always featured next to or opposed to Copen in compilation or team up art. If there's a crossover, Zonda and Copen are likely to fight or troll each other too. Even in iX2, Mother has a lot of Zonda's traits because of mirror shard corruption.
>>570464683>his entire character legacy is just saying outrageous things and losing a lotLike Solo, Bass, Chaud, Prometheus/Pandora?
>>570466923None of those are a protagonist
>>570465428>that's how inti sets up its rivalriesDealing with Inti's side material is how I imagine dealing with schizophrenics and alzheimer patients must be like. It literally didn't happen. None of it.As far as Zonda was concerned, Copen was just some bozo whose robot pet managed to snatch a mirror shard from Tenjian while he was distracted and she didn't even give an inkling of a fuck about it, and then they never interacted again beyond that point as canon stands. A mirror shard that Eden got back later anyway as he was one-diffed off screen, as is tradition.That's how it transpired in the game.
>>570468947I am not disagreeing with you. It is hilarious how they frame Zonda like she's Copen's equivalent of Nova to GV or even ZED to Kirin. And they purposefully leave their audience in the dark on major pieces of important information. Sometimes, it's because they're just making it up as they go along, and sometimes, it's clearly intentional in the "we know something you don't know *giggle* *giggle*" sort of way. It's like Clockwork Daydream establishes that the only reason Lola romantically loves Copen was either from Zonda's love for him in the mirror shards or Joule's feelings of love for GV influencing her. It's never explained in any of the games, but it adds so much context to iX. It explains why iX Lola doesn't pursue Copen, and why Mother goes yandere and gets so many Zonda allusions. A lot of people hate it, but I think it's cool that you have to do some detective work to get the entire story. It's one of the reasons I love FROMSoft games so much, but unlike FROM, the short stories and dramas are actually engaging instead of dry schizo babble that only makes sense once you've pieced everything together. My only issue with this type of story telling is that it shouldn't require you to go out of your way to get it.
>>570447901Me in the back
>>570470403>instead of dry schizo babble>instead
>>570470403>It's like Clockwork Daydream establishes that the only reason Lola romantically loves Copen was either from Zonda's love for him in the mirror shards or Joule's feelings of love for GV influencing her. It's never explained in any of the games, but it adds so much context to iX. It explains why iX Lola doesn't pursue Copen, and why Mother goes yandere and gets so many Zonda allusions.Literally none of it happened. If it's not in game it did not happen.
Neat we are almost at 1300
>>570470641Was there any doubt we'd get there?
>>570470403Dem hips
>>570470561The games can be pretty schizo, but the side stories are usually not, and they are nowhere near as dry as FROM description blurbs or dialog. They're pretty emotional.
>>570470938Felt nothing but wonder as to why bother trying to schizo their way again.
>>570471092People who follow this stuff are cracked in the head. It's just terrible writing. A simple story with simple and engaging characters and clear themes and dialog like Star Force is how you do things, not the mess that Gunvolt is. Or just skip story entirely and focus on gameplay like Classic. Having all the contradictions or characters who hint at this or that through subtle cues just makes everything confusing and schizo.
One of the biggest improvements they could have made to Gunvolt story telling was give the characters more than one or two dialog portraits.
>>570472825flat!
>>570470403>It is hilarious how they frame Zonda like she's Copen's equivalent of Nova to GV or even ZED to KirinThere could've been. In many ways Copen is a much better protagonist for the themes and central conflict of Gunvolt 2, but no one matters besides Gunvolt in this retarded series. That is, until Kirin and Zed made their introduction, which just further cements how fucking hamfisted Inti's handling of Copen was.Correction: How fucking hamfisted Tsuda & Tai's handling of Copen was. Credit where it's due.
You, persistent guy. But your life ends right here.
>>570472825They're not very emotive people. Kirin is the most emotionally normal and she has 4 portraits. The rest are all dead inside in some way, or soon to be dead, so having many portraits doesn't make sense. Copen and GV's only two emotions are serious and angry, Sumeragi are cold and professional, and Eden are the most human bunch when around each other, but not on missions where you encounter them. I think the only characters who'd benefit from more portraits would be ZED and Zonda. It doesn't make sense for ZED to still be calmly smug in the ATEMS final fight when he's having his own Joule-failure crash out moment, and Zonda shouldn't be smirking in the final levels when everyone is dying (for comparison, she looks unhappy or pissed in both the CG where she's reacting to the G7 deaths and her Reverie portrait).
>>570471838It's totally feasible, but as you said yourself>It's just terrible writingGunvolt's primary issue is that the writers are complete dogwater. They don't know what they want, they have no plan where to take the story, and they change their minds every other year. It's like studying history in Russia, the events changes every year.
>>570446815>Mega Man: The Rise of Ra Moon>https://gamejolt.com/games/MM25_2/566983I don't get it? The game in that link is like 5 years old?
>>570470617It's so shockingly bad. There's not a single instance of romantic implication within the game between the two, that drama cd literally just introduced an answer to a problem that didn't exist within the primary material. And then the writer couldn't even give a concrete answer to the problem HE himself made up. Tai is so fucking stupid.
>>570475114I think they're very good at writing characters, and character writing is what carries their games' writing. Even GV3, where they were halfassing the cast, was charming. Plots are a grab-bag. Everything around GV1 to iX was good, but 2022 was a really bad year for INTI storytelling. But I will echo what many have said that many of these characters, at least in the first two games, are wasted in a few hours long score-attack game. When you take into account all the supplementary material, some of the minor characters have more elaborate backgrounds, personalities, relationships, and philosophies/ideals than major characters in much longer INTI games. It's insane. And they're subtle too. In most INTI games, a character will just flat out state I believe, or I am doing this because ______, whereas in Gunvolt, it's more ambiguous, like Nova's hate of GV stemming from his parental figures (the scientists) ignoring him because he wasn't special enough, which informs all of his actions and attitudes, or Zonda's perception of nonadepts.
>>570474405The bad handling of Copem stemmed solely from the fact that they thought it was a good idea to ditch GV2's original plan so they could satisfy their dual protagonist bullshit when they originally intended to feature an antagonist GV.
>still in denial over Pantera's deep overwhelming love Class act.
>>570476316There's a little bit of teasing in dialog, like Roro telling Copen that girls want to be cute (the girl being implied to be her) and >アキュラくんは乙女心をわかっていないなあ Acura-kun really doesn't understand a girl's heart (she's referring to her own heart, by the way).There's also Roro's maintenance:>RoRo: ああーそこそこ、いい、気持ちいいよー部屋に工具を持ち込み、ロロのメンテナンスを行っている間… ミチルがずっとこちらを見つめていた>Acura: どうかしたか?>Mytyl:『ううん、なんでも』 RoRo: Ahhh—right there, yeah... that feels soo good...I brought my tools into the room to perform maintenance on RoRo... but Mytyl kept staring at me the whole time. Acura: Is something wrong?Mytyl: "Oh, it's nothing."She says later that she's staring just because it's fascinating how absorbed he gets in his machines. I think the romance and desire to be a real girl adds a lot to Lola that her iX version is missing. Her iX version just doesn't have a lot going on.
>>570478445To be fair nobody in iX has much going on unless you get into speculation due to how extremely barebones everything character related is.
>>570478445This is far and wide a perfect example of the phrase: "Damned with faint praise."Even if you decide to look for it in what little there is, the entire emotional weight is being carried by Roro, but relationships are supposed to be two-way streets, and you get nothing from Copen's side.This applies to all of his relationships, by the way. His relationship to Nori is practically non-existent despite practically being his foster mom, and his relationship to his sister is so empty that the game even forgot he had a sister and all she could think about in the end was Gunvolt. Hell, they couldn't even include him in the GV3 joke ending CG with the rest of the crew including multiple Roros.Sucks to suck I guess.>Her iX version just doesn't have a lot going onShe has more going on than iX Copen, even if that is just to be a multidimensional onahole idol.
>>570477294If I remember correctly, the original plan was to have GV unlocked by playing through Copen's route. What role proto-Eden and Zonda would have played in such a plot?
Nintendo lost, Pantera actually loves minos.The world is improving.
>>570480880Nah. Pantera turned to dust.
So how many of you ridiculous GVfags actually type out the exact same shit you spout about the story and characters hundreds upon thousands instead of just keeping your stock dialogue in a txt file to post maybe with some slight alterations whenever you happen to get bored?
>>570481013We all do eventually, but her love is eternalThe good that triumphs over evil.
>6 games>still not a single instance of a female adept showing interest in a male minos>has to fanfic to copeIsn't it funny that it happened again?
>>570481330>The good that triumphs over evil.>she was the evil that was triumphed overAt least that part's true
>>570480880Nintendo?
Sample size bias strikes again I see.
>>570480252On Eden:>Eden's conception mainly lies in a very nearly used Gunvolt 1 ending where after Nova's death the barrier protecting Japan would go down and an alliance of foreign nations would commence an attack with missiles. This alliance was named General Headquarters (GHQ) after the Allied occupation force of post-WWII Japan. The name was changed to G7 since it was believed the name GHQ wasn't good, and from this and the fairy tale motif came the boss group name "Grimwald Seven (G7)" (changed to just "The Seven" in the English version).[9] Eden soldiers are also named "GHC Assault Trooper" in concept art, and a near final Ghauri design refers to a "world union" (世界連合) uniform. So the allies/United Nations getting back at Sumeragi/Japan for being bastards.On Zonda:>...Tai wanted to use Zonda again in a main game. When considering making Zonda the final boss, he remembered it had been established in GV1 setting materials that Zonda was a very strong Adept, and it was settled. Being a "debut gag" in GV1, Tai wanted to overcome that debut and strongly e impact players, and made Zonda's true form a young girl.>>570481153Just go use the other general.
>>570482887I'll add some more. It's from the staff interview collected here:>>570482887https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y0Z4-75M1cREEbCpFpqrjTZb2p159gvA4XcVvNN5_UY/edit?tab=t.0https://www.inside-games.jp/article/2016/08/26/101289_3.htmlTai, Tsuda, and Araki's interview is inconsistent, mostly because they all seem to be on different pages. Tai wanted a "sharp ending that would stab at everyone's hearts" and Tsuda legitimately thought it was a happy ending. When they were talking about the pieces of GV2, they said:>Tai: When I needed to establish a reason for GV to fight, the pieces we had been discussing around the same time—such as Ouka, Michiru, and Pantera—all clicked perfectly into place.>Aizu: And then Tsuda told me “All those pieces fit together to makes up a pretty happy ending!”, and extensively advertised “this time it’ll be a happy end”. So Tsuda thinks Zonda's death was happy, contradicting Tai who said that he made her so young to emotionally shock the players.Tai himself mentioned a few times that this was a hair's breath from a Bad End (if not just a Bad End), which he seemed on board for, so Tsuda went back and tweaked it a few times. Tai disagreed on having GV and Mytyl meet, as that would leave a bad aftertaste, but Tsuda really wanted it for the Choujin Locke references. Tsuda eventually said that everyone agreed that this was a happy ending, but I get the feeling he pressured and gaslit Tai and Araki into agreeing with him on it.When they showed off the ending, the reception from the staff was extremely negative, with tons of angry emails about how they were no longer fans of Gunvolt and didn't want to work on Gunvolt anymore (Nishizawa's very public crashout was just the tip of the iceburg).Miyazawa then floated the idea of Mytyl saying "I'm happy" at the end, but it actually made more people angry, probably because Tai is a subversive fellow and had to get in the "because I'm slowly forgetting about GV (and Copen)."
GV2 is such a fucking mess, I don't understand how many stand by it.
>>570485826This all reads like Tsuda being clueless and Tai being sort of resentful. From the other interviews, he wants to write some romance into GV and less Locke fanfiction, but Tsuda keeps telling him elementary school kids hate romance, it needs more Locke, and to make it edgier. So for GV2, he said you want happy, I'll make it happy.
>>570486868It had a handful of cute girls we really liked.
>>570481153Loving Zonda deserves a post written from scratch every single time
>>570481153I just let LevGPT formulate all my opinions. That's why they're so long.
>>570447652when was last patch again
>>570448958If we start MMelt next week it'll eventually have to run along with BBS
>>570487745>wants to write some romance into GV>wrote it and GGDP at the same time>got pissed in GV2 so he decided to burn it all romance includedYeah I'd believe it
>Everyone gets a bad end and/or dies (except the people actually causing the world to be shit)>GV absorbs all the bad ends, everyone else is okayand>Hopeful ending>Despairing endingWhich will GX choose?
>>570481495There's not a lot of male minos, anon.
>>570491253Open, but hopeful. /mmg/ will insist that it's actually despairing and grim because something something bullshit for the rest of it's life.
>>570463517>Copen and Zonda are complete opposites in terms of personality, drivers, and motives. Copen is a rich and elite prude living in a massive mansion who basically hates everything but his sister and maid, while Zonda is a love obsessed orphan with barely any hate in her who spent the first half of her life homeless and penniless.I'm repeating myself, but that feels more like the setup to an otome romance than archenemies4life.
>>570491445No, they only do that with the second game, but INTI's staff do as well. The rest of the games can be sad, but they feel like things can get better and there was a point to everything.
>>570491253Assuming Megu's reaction it's probably GV playing Jesus and being hopeful for everyone except him, which would basically cement him as Locke so it's Tsuda approved I guess.
>>570492664Megu?
>>570491253GV is the only one who gets bad ended since he's now fully Locked, but it'll be way sadder because he hasn't distanced himself from everything yet. It'll be a hopeful ending for the others but not for GV. People will cope by noting that Kirin's Azure Spirit could still come into play, and the parallel Cychronicle's story where Luxia is searching for GV is still ongoing.
>>570492816Joule, Mytyl and Lumen's VA.
>>570491445Just give me the kiss scene from GV3 but with Joule and Gunvolt. Lewd saliva string and everything.All will be forgiven.
>>570493072Fat chance and you know it. He happily sat her in the cuck chair for a whole game after sisterzoning her.
>>570481495Is Leviathan into humans?
>>570493072I may be a Zondafag, but the lack of Joule in GV3 was painful. Joule's Prayer was sorely missed:https://youtu.be/yKlw_3Oabtkhttps://youtu.be/AEQoYvQFbbcI teared up when I saw her in the memorial poster.
>>570493249>>570493643No better way to conclude the series than go full circle with Cyanotype, but this time, Joule will be the one to rescue him.
>>570493643You can't be a Zondafag and like Joule.
>>570494158Nishizawa, the person who made Joule, likes Zonda. One of the secret major characters in his last game was a 130 cm perverted antivillain with pink highlights and a fake zany persona whose real personality was far more mature and composed than her looks would imply, along with mermaid Joule.
>>570491253It'll be the most saccharine happy end possible and upset all the wannabe edgelords here
>>570495214Wouldn't Anser be closer to Zonda?
>>570495567God I hope so. Make it as sappy as humanly possible.I don't even care about the other characters. At this point I'd be happy if this dog series could just finish off one thread with some modicum of catharsis and closure.
>>570495612No. The closest GV villain she maps onto is Mother. They're both upset at being locked into a godhood role they want out of, and are going to destroy the world (or multiple worlds in Anser's case) in a gigantic murder-suicide. Additionally, they're both possessing humans to get around the limitations placed on them. Finally, the boss battles are kind of similar where you cycle between fighting a "fake" combat form to reveal the true one to attack it.
>>570491253>GV absorbs the bad ends>Hopeful ending>bad endings absorbed are for the characters that are alive in GV3 though because it's not Inti without fucking it up
>>570491841Seems like Zondafags always ship her with Tenjian or Copen.
Just halved the world in Flamefrit.First /inti/ I played that's not MMZ. Great game!
>>570496528When they were asked if anyone else from GV1/GV2 would be returning, they said no spoilers. They did confirm, however, that there is no Kirin and hence no image pulses this time around. Also, Tsuda said that the people you're fighting are kind of like zombies this time around, so the GV3 characters you see probably aren't the real ones.
>>570497716Didn't say they'd show up only that it's hinted that their bad ends are taken. The spoiler is that no one from GV1/GV2 shows up.
>>570497163Yeah, it's a good one. Short but sweet. I love how fast that game over is.
>>570497163>Great game!don't get used to it
>Mytyl regains her septima, but her mind doesn't merge with Joule>Mytyl's body is changed/healed and Joule can manifest as a fairy like she did with GV>Both still have their memoriesHow does this change things? Would Joule be pushing Mytyl to get with GV as they're kind of the same person, or would she still be jealous, especially if this is GV's true love as all the similarities to Locke's scene framing imply? And how would GV and Copen take all of this?
>>570499129That sounds more interesting than amnesiac Mytyl. Throw in Zonda as a headmate as well and you'd have a really interesting dynamic.But anyway, Xiao would probably screw it up somehow when the pendant is created, and you'll get a fully merged Mytyl/Joule with amnesia because we can't have nice things.
Another common Cope L
>fritos is almost 2 years old
>>570499753>bmz3 was 5 years ago>the last time I truly gave a shit about an Inti release
>>570492816Similar to the Meguposter from years back, I too have many thoughts of carrying Zonda's tiny body around and finding things to bend her over and fuck her on, Imagine how portable that cute living onahole is
>>570493643Some close-ups. Will Joule's pendant reappear? Will Copen ever get his confrontation befriending session with Zonda?
>>570494139Sorry anon they already did that with GV2 vs Zonda, didn't you hear them that was a happy end?
>>570501061I thought Joulefags liked how she killed Zonda and considered that the one upside?
>>570501061>gave him a pendant that proves to be practically useless in combat but ends up literally saving his life>saves his life when faced with certain doom against Zonda>now she'll come to his rescue from a flash of vivid light in this world devoid of coloursJoule is never more than a breath away.
>>570501551Don't lump me with those squalid faggots, there is no upside to her permadeath.
>>570501551>>570502439While she certainly hurt Joule to "save" adeptkind and bring "peace" to the world, as she saw it, I'm not even sure if Zonda were truly at fault for "killing" Joule at this point. GX's Time Clip seems to cause amnesia that is very similar to Mytyl's in Copen and others. Mytyl had her memories all the way through the fight, and then suddenly loses them mid-conversation. Joule and Mytyl were also independent entities throughout, even if in a trance. Then you have Xiao talking about how he masterminded/did something to merge Mytyl and Joule to fully awaken their septima with Nori in the secret ending, and Xiao is heavily implied to have time manipulation powers.
>>570502882Yeah that's also a thing, since the Joule Lumen avatar was still a thing after Zonda died I always assumed the one that made her fully fade away was whatever Xiao did.
>>570502439She went out in a badass way getting revenge against one of the most evil powerful people to save her man. It is tragic but a good death.>>570502882This is just Zonda apologism.
>>570503352There is nothing badass about a boss fight that references the worst MMZ boss.
>still assmad butthurt over Pantera She didn't kill the dead girl by the way.
>>570503691>still ass mad Pantera stops existing
GVX will reveal Gunvolt knows that to stop the bad future he must not exist. Not as in, Jaõ not be born, I mean Gunvolt the tool the weapon created by Sumeragi and honed by Asimov. The only way to stop this is making Houdai fuck Shinobu. The final boss is gonna be Houdai's desire for monogamy with Cope's aunt.Go Gunvolt, make Acura, Mytyl, and Kirin be brother and sisters, save the future!
>>570502882>GX's Time Clip seems to cause amnesia that is very similar to Mytyl's in CopenGood point. Copen's confusion over Kohaku is similar to Mytyl's towards GV. The name is familiar to him, but he can't place his finger on how or why.>>570503569And unlike Elpizo, she doesn't even get a followup dialog or dramatic death scene like every other final boss, making her death feel incomplete. Tai said she was meant to be a shocking/impactful final boss because of her youth, but Asroc and Teseo talk more in their death scenes.
>>570502882Mytyl manifests Joule by fusing completely with her soul and abilities, it doesn't go any further than that. It is the shock and clash of their fused pasts that causes both girls to lose their original memories.
>>570504261She's impactful because of the outside material hammering home how utterly boned the world is should she die.
>bweeeh zonda's death felt incompleteWho cares, at least you got a boss fight in GV3. Copefags got nothing. And he's the one who desperately needed it as his mainline whereabouts are a complete mystery and likely will never be followed up on.
>>570504950He married a blonde adept and changed his name out of shame.
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>>570504261Tai or Tsuda also said she broke down the barriers between child and adult (why she talks the way she does), like her fake form broke down barriers between genders, so maybe the idea was to ultimately treat her like an adult by the end. It lines up with Tsuda saying that her death was piece of the happy ending.If it was Tai, he probably backtracked on this, since she's written as more immature and naive in later appearances, like CnC having her annoy Tenjian like a little sister or the entirety of EP. And they retconned Tenjian into being the mastermind of Eden's plots instead of her in Striker's Bonus, EP, and CnC. Nowadays, instead of the supreme leader who bosses everyone else around, she's just a figurehead who has to ask Tenjian for permission to do anything.So the current characterization is that despite her high intelligence and power, and the mask of maturity and wisdom she adopts as a shrine maiden, she's still just a kid deep down who actually likes doing kid stuff and can be convinced to believe some really dumb things by the people she trusts.
>>570505747>>570506069How many people here are excited for Dual OverRide?
>>570506442I am11 was fun
>>570506442I think we're all looking forwards to it, but it's still a whole year away at most.
>>570506442Mite be cool.
>>570504950Copen is eating pretty good. He got his own series where he's not a fail hero like GV. He got the 30th anniversary game. Now, he gets to show up GV in his own series, and in its finale of all things, because GV needed to be bailed out by the red man. At this point, Copen has been in more games than GV has been, and he hasn't bungled near as bad. And he was more likable in iX than GV was in the first two games on top of everything else, despite being a near emotionless autist, just because he directed anger where it belongs and didn't come off as satisfied when he killed people.
>>570506442They haven't given us much to talk about beyond being a new game.
The future was damned from this spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YngbHOz--oc"Like an Anime Fan on Prom Night" is 10 years old btw
>>570506091>when you realize that Zonda could be called the Adept of BoundariesThe return of Yukari Yakumo. That reminds me, when Touhou did its Castlevania foray over 15 years ago, it had (crappy) animated scenes. Wonder why INTI never got them, as Touhou is way cheaper.
>>570508597Maybe if Zonda were allowed to mature, and her septima evolved naturally into an octima, she'd be like Yukari, but she's not capable of creating a pocket dimension for all the special people to live in away from the normies. Otherwise, that's what she'd be doing.
>>570507237Eating pretty good? No. Copen got a literal shovelware spinoff series of which one of the games is the absolute worst of all the Gunvolt games by far and the other one had Inti's biggest humiliation ritual where we had to see him get bailed out 5 times in a 2 hour game. Bum literally can't do anything himself.No one cares about this series, it has no substance, no meaningful character development, no thematic depth, or logical storytelling.And Copen? Copen remains the worst handled character in the series, probably the entirety of Inti's catalogue. At least in mainline he's got some things going for him, but here? Literally nothing.>mother dead>father dead and barely got to interact with him at all despite his story importance>mother figure dead who he never even got to speak to again>clan also dead but never interacted with them anyway>sister dead who was fundamental to the core of copen's character and never once had any spoken lines in the present story>relationship with Roro neutered>gets a shitty little consolation price in the form of Quinn 2.0 and this time it's permanentGive me a break. Kurona levels of performance, Tai level writing, Megumi level of potential. The mix you need to make the fraud known as "iX."I would trade EVERY iX game for 4 lines of dialogue explaining what happened to mainline Copen, and you can all fucking fight me.
>>570509656kek what a faggot
>>570509656You could say GV3 was GV's humiliation ritual, but at least they were trying to use to force him out of his "one-sided perspective" in a very clumsy way. And GV without Joule feels like there's a major part of him that's missing too. As for the mothers being dead, Gunvolt's mother is probably Kaoruko, making his clan the Sakurazaki's, who are a huge part of the setting, but the last time INTI hinted anything about Gunvolt's past or true name was more than 10 years ago in GV1's drama CDs, so you can say that entire thread will never be picked back up too.
>>570509656>the fraud known as "iX."fucking years late to realize that
>>570509656Reminder that iX Copen has lost about 7 times against Azure Strikers and then he lost to random roombas around the Grave Pillar.
>>570507996What's Inafune up to right now? I noticed his videos were delisted from that company he was shilling Beastroid NFTs to, so I assume he's not working with them anymore.
>>570512696In hiding with Nagoshi somewhere
For her crimes against reploid kind I think that Leviathan should be imprisoned and milked dry
>>570506442Classic is my least favorite subseries. At this point I have resigned myself to fangames and recomps.
wtf is a prom
it's a typo for prog
>>570477294Nah, I think what Copen turned out to be is a good example of how a final draft can be superior to the original concept. Punished Gunvolt would've been Copy X redux. Instead, we got a more interesting story about two morally questionable heroes whose ideals repeatedly clash while they fight a larger threat.
>>570504384Probably true, but if it's Xiao's septima causing the time and "memory shenanigans" (INTI's words), than the conspiracy theorist in me will never stop yapping.
Copy X was himself kind of underused. A lot of his characterization comes from the player knowing the history of X and Zero, but Zero's amnesia (itself a terrible writing choice) kind of robs us of that.
>>570515806That's what being a last minute replacement of the final boss of a game does to you.
>Copy X says he will rule over the resistance under a new Special Administrative Zone, but Zero will be deported>this happens(actual z2/cg spoilers)
>>570515529I disagree, Copen was handled like shit in mainline as has been already pointed out in this thread, also the so-called clash of ideals is also done like crap, it's just Copen autistically screeching while GV just tells him mostly to shut the fuck up.
>>570515806>but Zero's amnesia (itself a terrible writing choice) kind of robs us of that.actually Copy X's death at the end of Z1 robs us of thatZero's memories were (very slowly) recovering over time, but Copy X's death means his characterization just ends there. It doesn't help that he basically does the same thing as Phantom anyway and just dies after losing trying to take down Zero, which makes him even less interestingA copy X that continues obsessing over Zero shaming him (rather than doing his duty as an X) would be interesting. Even more interesting would be how he deals with 1. learning Zero is a copy 2. telling Weil to fuck off and then himself getting replaced by another copyAnd as usual, I am a proponent of "The guardians should have died in Z4 evacuating humans and reploids from Neo Arcadia", and Copy X if he survives to that point would be there too
Are they ironic with the level introductions or not? Somebody quoted a Japanese level blurb at me to justify why GV doesn't like killing. It was the one that said he feels only a momentary high after revenge but then feels worse afterward, even though the afterward is not shown in game until GV3.
>>570517446Nice TV-Nihon reference, you bastard
>>570515806>>570517797In fact, I'd argue that Copy X and a still-amnesiac Zero would actually work better. A clone of a hero obsessing over the past and trying to live up to that name and legacy superficialing (and failing) vs. a clone of a hero who does not give a ship about his past and is just doing what he can to save people in the present (and succeeding)
>>570518057>*superficially>*does not just a shitapologies for brain tumor
>>570517446>also the so-called clash of ideals is also done like crapNova is a much better rival, see >>570464489 >>570463517What does Copen have? Ways Copen contrasts GV :>Philosophy : Copen hates Adepts, GV hates Adepts less.>Septima : Copen is a normal human, GV is an Adept.>Color Scheme : Copen is red, GV is blue>Attitude : Copen is angy, GV is slightly less angy.Ways Copen is similar to GV :>Weapons : Both use guns.>Philosophy : Both are idealistic (Copen wants no Adepts, GV wants peace).>Companions : Both have virtual idols who give them power boosts.All Copen has is Zonda as his ideals philosophical rival, and he doesn't even talk to her beyond "die adept" or get to fight her in the end, and their contrasting personality, designs, and backgrounds look more like the start of a hacky romance than nemeses.
>>570517889The Tenjian level blurb I quoted to you about revenge is GV reminding himself how killing Asimov didn't really make him feel better at all, which is shown exactly right after he kills him in GV1 when he's completely depressed.
>>570517889I always thought the Savior blurb was sarcastic or ironic. There would be peace and salvation to the oppressed, but only after many, many others were oppressed and killed. The title of the level, Savior, refered to GV and Copen instead.
>>570518384>hacky romancePantera is too weird for modern INTI. She will never pair off with anyone. The last time INTI gave us weirdo love interests was Double Peace with Maya and Kurona. Since then, all the heroines have been pretty normal nice girls like Ancie, Quinn, Eve, etc. And Eve was probably the only one of these who were interesting and best girl in their game.
>>570502439Jesus fucking Christ this Joule art gave me a huge fucking boner
>>570518057Obviously it's too late now, but Copy X surviving Z3's events somehow and actually living up to the original in some capacity in Z4 after reality hit him in the face would've been a cool addition to the closing of the Zero series
>>570521909yesin my opinion, Copy X is naive and proud to the point of being dangerous, but not malevolent. It would be a great character moment for him to, when push comes to shove, live up to X's ideals.
>>570497163Inti can make a good game when they try. 90% of the time they don't.
>>570517446>it's just Copen autistically screeching while GV just tells him mostly to shut the fuck upNo, across both games Gunvolt tries to talk him down (hilariously, he has more empathy for Cope than for other adepts even though the former wants to genocide him.) and would rather win him over so they can take down their common enemies. On one side, you have an ex-terrorist who mostly just wants everyone to get along, a bunch of radicalized idealists who take things too far, and a bigot who wants to let God sort them all out. They actually do debate their positions ("How can we humans coexist with living weapons?" vs "A human showed compassion to me. Adepts are people too!")
>>57052296490% of the time they don't try. The other 9% they have to be tardwrangled. 1% they manage not to fuck up.
Which adept would you want to get drunk with the most?
>>570499110>>570522964>>570523168Get new material.
>>570523972They're all minors, therefore can't be shown drinking in Japanese media.
>>570517416Can't wait to see the scene where Zero kills the emperor
>>570524829>Zero pantheons Damn, someone else thought of that.
>>570524829>A fucking novel
>>570524153Sorry. Inti 100% fucks up and lucks out. I guess I was being too generous with the 1%.
>>570522991The key is that they're fighting a bigger, common foe. Copen is less of a pityball than many of the people GV kills, but he's also not part of a faction actively causing mayhem. Also, in each game, he has a very one-sided view of things and sees his enemies as monsters (aka blaming the adept or antiadept side for ALL the problems in either game), and Copen is opposing said monsters. He always ends up moderating his stances to "they were wrong, but I could see why they were like that" later on.
>>570525352>>570524153
>>570525894>>570525352
>>570518474He's depressed because he killed his dad and Joule is gone. Don't think he feels the same about others he gets vengeance on, at least until the 3rd game took him on a guilt trip. He felt pretty good killing all the GV1 bosses up to that point, especially Merak, Elise, and Nova, as he held them most responsible for Joule getting taken.Even in the 2nd game, he was seeking vengeance on everyone, or did you forget all the times he told the bosses that he would show them no quarter or forgiveness? He told Tenjian the first time that he'd definitely make sure he died this time no matter what on their encounter after the prologue. He told Zonda that he'd have revenge for how she treated Joule like a toy and that he'd show her no mercy. Even Desna was told that she was going to get no mercy as he just assumed that she'd done something horrific he hadn't seen to deserve it.
>said months ago that if they wanted to avoid the old cast showing up in any continuation and not kill all of them again that they could use Xiao/Morb time fuckery>GX is all about time fuckery and takes place through a set of levels that totally avoid the classic time period>Most of the things you're fighting are "like zombies"Called it
>>570526313Frankly I'm done arguing about the subject as last time I had someone intentionally misquote in-game script to support this same type of shit. It's just a neverending parade of bad faith arguing not worth engaging in.
>>570526970At least they aren't quoting the English script at you.
>>570522991This is all in game 1, when the narrative was yet to become as messy as it started to become from game 2 and onward. In GV2 when they cross paths is with Mytyl dead and just trying to get him to stop trying to kill him as there's no point in continuing fighting.
>>570527127As if adding "she would never help a person like you!" to >Maybe it was compatible with you for all I know… But the Cybernetic Singing Fairy (Cyber Diva)… Cyan… Isn’t a “thing”! You can’t use her power, because you didn’t have her consent to do so…is any better.
>>570526313GV feels euphoric for a little bit then shit afterward. There's a lot of adrenaline and emotional release in revenge, and then you crash and realize what you've done and lost. He lets his guilt take over when dealing with Nova and gets massively guilty when Zonda and Belladen are brought up.
>>570527879They're talking about Joule there though. The lady whose soul is crushed is Joule. Most of Serpentine's illusion are hitting GV over Joule because that's what he feels most guilt for.
>>570527369You forgot the frozen city level, where they actually sort of cooperate to rescue the people trapped in ice after a brief scuffle. And the highway, where Copen jobs and Mytyl gets captured again. The attitude was "I don't have time to be fighting you."
>>570499129>and Joule can manifest as a fairy like she did with GVThat resulted in mental illness for both of themIt's not good to have a real person's mind living in your head 24/7 who can only interact with you and rare people with a 6th sense
>>570506442I'm kind of interested but I really wish Capcom would make a non-Classic new game.A proper good game no monkey's paw bullshit.
Z1 okay. Weapon levels and elves are dumb, lots of jank all around, but Zero’s still really fun to control. Good darker, edgier vibe.Z2 great. Enormous improvement on 1 in every way. Weapon levels and elves still dumb, but former’s at least faster and latter are much more fun to find. Jank basically gone, level and boss design is top notch. Good plot.Z3 great. Elves now actually good, finally. Everything else perfect besides a couple bland levels and it being a little too easy. Best MMZ game, could have ended here.Z4 good. Big step back from 2 and 3. Crafting and Z-knuckle are lame, elf is worse, level design worse for a lack of things to find. Bosses good, Zero good, plot good, but feels too removed from rest of series. Great ending and Weil.ZX good. Level design kinda meh, but metroidvania gimmick fun. Models are neat gimmick. Love the passing of the torch vibes from Z. If the map is a dealbreaker for you then you’re a massive bitch. Fantastic hard mode.ZXA good. More regular levels is better. A’s not as fun as ZX, but good enough. Forms are ready gimmicky, but fun. Plot’s a guilty pleasure, will never forgive them for the cliffhanger.GV1 good. Oozes style. Levels pretty flat, but like how they use the electric stuff. Took a really long time to stop trying to play it like MM, but that’s on me. Great bosses. Plot’s good, but feels bad. Elise a best. Don’t much care for the score attack and idol aspects.GV3 good, maybe great. Arc Chaining around never gets old, though could definitely use some more depth and moves. Excellent bosses, level design good enough. Can tell the plot’s a mess even without playing 2, but characters are fun. Lumen needs to fuck off or shut up. If arc chain spam for damage is boring then just don’t do it, idiot.
>>570509656Dunno what to say but iX2 was actually my favorite Inti game to date except for maybe OG ZX
>>570531630>I skipped a game. Please listen to my opinion on why this one's a mess.
>>570528102>>570527879You're both wrong, he is actually talking about Quinn, which is as weird as it sounds. In the Japanese script, he says:>いったいどれだけの女性(ヒト)を傷つけどれほどの絶望を歩んできた>女性(ヒト)Woman (Human)Which is what Tenjian would call a female nonadept, hence Ouka. It's referring to whatever incident that caused GV's crashout. Pantera's death is obliquely referenced when the fake form says:Pantera>フフフ!愛たかったよ!ガンヴォルト!>Heh heh! I’ve been dying to see you! Gunvolt!But GV ignores it. The English script is really awkward around here for some reason. The translator was really phoning it in. For instance, the line about Tenjian chastising GV for not being fit to wear Sumeragi's crest makes no sense. In the Japanese script, it's a reaction to Kirin saying that she's relieved GV killed evil people, and he says:Tenjian:>Stubborn and shameless—>You lot at Sumeragi aren't exactly saints, either.>Just a disorganized rabble that can't even manage to unify its own ideology.There are other lines that hit way harder like:Tenjian>A strange twist of fate, indeed, Gunvolt.>Are you satisfied with what you gained by trampling on our ideals?GV>I have... no regrets!Tenjian>Absurd nonsense...>Is that the face of a man with no regrets?>I can see far more lingering shadows behind you now than I could back then.In any case, he doesn't feel guilty for killing Pantera or Tenjian like he does with Shiden. For instances, he calls Pantera a sociopath by stating her paradise is one filled by fake love, so he's still got some edge. 迸れ!蒼き雷霆(アームドブルー)よ!!躊躇いなき慧雷で、偽愛の楽園を討ち祓えッ!In the weird world of GV, a 130 cm is judged as an adult, so it makes sense. I don't understand why they had to make her like 10-11 when they could have just fake loli'd her, because that's how GV and everyone else treats her in game, and probably how they wanted the audience to see her too. It wouldn't have lessened the creepiness factor either. EP is massively to blame too, and I love EP.
>>570531630Based enjoyer
>>570531630it's not a metroidvania, it's just a connected map
>>570531984I would be happy to give Zonda enough real love that the "fake love" GV claims she has is completely drowned out
>>570531910While you've got a point Morb exists and GV3 is the only time Inti has EVER amended an ending with an update out of sheer fan backlash, and it had nothing to do with the story as a sequel.
>>570531984Honestly this series is just fucking ass. Ass story, ass translation.
>>570531630BMZ1 okay. Very barebones. Top-down sections get old well before game ends, but tank’s very fun. Gets much better towards the end. Plot and characters similarly barebones, but good in retrospect.BMZ2 great, just fantastic. Enormous improvement on 1 in every way. No qualifiers this time, it’s just so, so good. Love the levels, bosses, weapons, story, everything. Gaia System is brilliant. Full marks.BMZ3 great. A step down than 3 in some ways, but mostly it just feels way too short. Bosses, levels, etc still great. Excellent finale and ending, best Inti’s ever done.CotM1 good, maybe great. Surprised by how much I like a game this stiff, but damn if it doesn’t work. Extremely satisfying game to get good at. Oozes charm.CotM2 great. Takes a minute to click, but after that another all-around improvement. Needing multiple playthroughs only sounds like an issue if you haven’t actually played it, only issue being collecting the sword parts in run 2 being a bad idea. Really gotta try co-op.Demon Purge great. Feels so, so good to play. Oozes charm and soul from every pore, every animation, sound, and line of dialogue. Sold me on Gal Gun on it’s own. True ending is hilarious.Servants of the Dark good. Still feels great to play, metroidvania aspect’s good, but you can really feel the troubled development. Needs more content. Subweapons are neat. Haven’t played the updates, probably should. Uuuuumbraclaaaaw good. Very unorthodox, but fun if you meet it on it’s own terms. Most people don’t. Know it’s got a bunch of endings, but got the best(?) one on the first try, so, uh…Majogami in progress, but good so far. Levels pretty meh, bosses good. Setsuna is fun and the astral stuff feels amazingly good. Love the art. Feels unloved at some points.
>>570533671>Honestly this series is just fucking assYes, it is.
>>570533743CnC good. Very, very fun, very, very addictive. Very charming sprites and songs. Level design is non-existant, which is fucking stupid, and 3-star reqs often way too restrictive. Surprisingly good plot, phase 1 of final boss is fucking intense. Ancie(?) a cute. I want all this fake games to be real and release.Flamefrit good. Not really my style or kind of game, could only barely handle the bosses, but still a good time. Super short, but as long as it needs to be. Happy it exists. Played iX1 for I think one level? Two? Don’t like playing as Cope at all, both in gameplay terms and as a character.Know enough about GV2 to not want to play it. See above, also plot and 8-4. Hard pass. Demon Purge sold me on Gal Gun, but actually playing the games intimidates me in a way I don’t understand. Very troubling.Yohane sucked so bad I couldn’t finish the demo.If you bring up that Suika game at all then you’re probably shitposting. Unless you’re me, right now.I think that’s everything.Oh, and the soundtrack in all of these games is good to great.
>>570534084at least the characters are hot.
>>570531984>it's a reaction to Kirin saying that she's relieved GV killed evil people,Correction, reaction to Kiring saying she's relieved GV killed ONLY evil people. She still thinks killing is generally bad, but she's relieved he didn't kill anybody good. But who knows, maybe Kirin would have killed them like she killed Asimov.Generally speaking, GV doesn't feel as guilty in the Japanese script as the English one. He's more likely to tell his phantoms off, and do so harshly. The guilt lines are more ambiguous. Like "I have doubts about what I did" become "I still reflect upon the past." He doesn't apologize to Shiden and instead says I've made mistakes. It's probably what people in this thread would have wanted. While he won't kill Shiden, it's ambiguous if others won't be on the table. Asimov would definitely be a dead man, and Pantera might be on the chopping block as well because GV still thinks she's an evil mastermind faking her love. INTI is being schizo again with the side story characterization, because they're having GV acknowledge them for some characters but not others. Could just be more "limited PoV" stuff, I guess.
>>570528285They don't "sort of cooperate", the loser just fucks off to not lose their one mirror piece/not die and is not chased, that's all. Rest is all retread of GV1 dialogue.
>>570534246Demon Purge's sin was following two dumb maids instead of letting you live out a demon king power fantasy. I want to conquer my across Makai, subjugating all the uppity rival maous who think they're hot shit and conscripting them into my harem.
>>570534728>Correction, reaction to Kiring saying she's relieved GV killed ONLY evil people. She still thinks killing is generally bad, but she's relieved he didn't kill anybody good.What a load of shit
>I don't understand why they had to make her like 10-11 when they could have just fake loli'd her, because that's how GV and everyone else treats her in game, and probably how they wanted the audience to see her too.Tai said it was mostly for shock value. A lot of people were taken aback by her reveal, and then that they actually had you kill her, which was his intention. Also, it was to represent boundary between child and adult, which is a theme in GV2. All the characters are based off of fairy tales, and some of the attacks are called things like "Childhood's End." It also ties to her character theme in GV1, where her illusions broke the boundary between man and woman. And her Septima itself is the manipulation of the boundary between dreams and reality.>>570533671People like this mostly for the characters, setting, and gameplay. The plot has always been okay at best. Most INTI games have meandering plots carried by their character writing, like Majogami.
>>570534878To be fair, Kirin has a limited point of view and suffers from not being able to see other's perspective, but it's not anywhere near as bad as the other characters.
>>570534246>then you’re probably shitpostingInti sure wasn't when they tried pushing it and nobody wanted it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CnvahizB_I
>>570534894Childhood's End is just the title of a Metallica song like the rest of her attacks. I think a mellowed-out Gunvolt would regard her and Zonda as brats to be corrected, like annoying but dangerous younger sisters. The worst they'll get is "only" having their butts smacked with lightning 100 times or a little Voltic Chain bondage.
>>570534728They also acknowledge side story content and retcons in CnC, so it's weird. Anyway, I doubt Eden would come into play in GX if there are returning characters. Why? First, GV1 is INTI's favorite. Second, if GV beelines Joule, which he would do if sent back to the past, he'd disrupt the muse plan to the point that Eden would never find out about Lumen and Zonda would never infiltrate Japan. But you never know. Maybe Xiao drags them in and they're the antagonists again. There's a schizo theory that he was one of the unnamed founding members of Eden/G7 mentioned in the OCW who died or went missing shortly before the events of GV2.
>>570536147>There's a schizo theory that he was one of the unnamed founding members of Eden/G7 mentioned in the OCW who died or went missing shortly before the events of GV2.Meant to say THE unnamed founding MEMBER. There weren't multiple members who went missing, just one.
>>570536147It probably wouldn't happen but imagine the based switcheroo if GX ended with literally everyone working together against Xiao, even Asimov and Nova
>>570533743Bmz 3 really did feel kinda fast didn’t it. I expected exploring a planet or two but you barely even leave planet sophia
>>570446815>Golden Week will continue until morale improves I fail to see the problem.
>>570540305Repeating OPs is already shit.
>>570536147>Even in pixel art Roro just has to show her butt
>>570540225You barely explore Sophia, you revisit Strangea, then when you get back they're already talking about getting into the final area. It feels really, really short.
Think the Zondafags have been acting up more with GX because they never got any closure for their character. The ending of GV2 was rushed, so she doesn't have a defeat conversation like every other final boss. And then it has to burn that Nova and Demerzel got so much love in GV3, getting a full boss rematch, and giving GV something to think about, while Zonda only shows up in her fake form to shout four random perverted jokes. Tenjian gets to speak more, and it's all impactful.GX might bring back dead characters. It already has GV1 Lumen, so this has them hopeful. However, INTI seems determined not to use Alice again, so they will only be setting themselves up for disappointment. >>570536492They might be fighting something zombie-like in GX:https://youtu.be/EKVInGMUI0I?t=1438(around the 24:00 mark)Not sure if Tsuda and the others were talking about the game or not. If many of the enemies are like zombie copies, you could have a team-up against them.
Any new anime with the edgy and tragic GV1/GV2 tone? Even Locke doesn't really match it, as Locke values life too much, not to mention his enemies aren't all broken, yet likable teens with colorful personalities.
>>570542000Fyi the main stream host has the nickname zombie because he voiced Gibril's ones in GV2Dunno if that's what they're actually talking about there though
>>570543549Scum of the Brave. It's edgy, but not tragic. It's not very good either, but that's typical of edgy anime.It's set in the mid 21st century in a dystopia where the real world gains magic fantasy powers. The protagonist was a scumbag early on and didn't care what his opponent's story was. One instance he was hired to capture some superpowered runaways by a very abusive father. The abuse was so bad that the runaways would rather kill themselves than go back. These runaways had been taken in by a criminal who was manipulating them. The twist was that the father wanted his son and said they could kill his daughter if she resisted. Thus, the protag cuts her in half shortly after attacking her. She was only around 15, and he's a 20 something who was way stronger and experienced. But he did it because it was quicker and easier.Later he has to train some kids and gets a little bit of a conscience. So fights later on with teens end up not being as lethal.
Any /inti/+/mmg/ girl that could realistically pull this feat off? And I mean the baby is formed from sperm meeting an egg inside a womb that is inside of a woman, not built in a factory, or grown from a seed in the dirt like a plant sorry Kanafags, or magic'd ex nihilo, or some other exotic form of reproduction.
>>570545346Elise. Three each
>>570545346>not built in a factoryWay to ruin the fun. You just cut out 99% of the /mmg/ side.
>>570543549Could you imagine if Xebec animated a Gunvolt anime covering GV1 and GV2 before dissolving?
>>570525005That delicious tummy
>>570546201There's no way that's real.
>>570546201Xebec back in its heyday would have been a good company for it. They would have altered the script significantly like they did with the NT Warrior. I don't know if they'd kill off as many characters, but it'd be very fanservicey.>>570546954Yeah, it's real. Capcom went to an ecchi company for their kids' anime. Had over 200 episodes and multiple movies with them. Posting certain images from the anime will even net you a vacation over on /v/ .
>>570547192>Yeah, it's real.Prove it. Post the clip from Youtube.
>>570545346>>570545597No, no, you turn the reploid cutie IN to a baby factory. You're not understanding how this works.
>>570545346Any of the female adepts. The reason why iX gave up was because they could outbreed any Itchy and Scratchy-eske ploy to kill them all. Or why victorious timeline Copen had to erase humanity like two days after killing Asimov Gunvolt and Nova.https://youtu.be/tLzoveu2Wyc?si=hx3KqssYxAXWB8b9
>>570546201My favorite is when Yai is holding a huge cup of some sort of juice in a way that makes it look like she is naked.
>>570531984>>570534728>Correction, reaction to Kiring saying she's relieved GV killed ONLY evil people. She still thinks killing is generally bad, but she's relieved he didn't kill anybody good. But who knows, maybe Kirin would have killed them like she killed Asimov.This just made me realize another problem I have with GV3: there are no bad people in it. Of the characters, only Serpentine and Apollo were bad people, but they reformed before the events of the game. The only one who comes close after that is Sistina, who isn't evil, just a bitch. Kirin isn't dealing with morally difficult antivillains trying to do good through desperate necessary evil (as they see it) or pushed into it by tragedy. Good people (who haven't even done that much wrong) deserve a second chance is not a powerful message. Reforming somebody like Merak, Viper, Gibril, or Zonda, and then seeing them turn around and help you save the day or improve the world would be much more inspiring. Kirin saying she would be okay with killing GV1 or GV2 villains just leaves a bad taste in my mouth though. I hope that's not the case, and she only does it for exceptionally bad ones like Asimov. I always got the feel from the drama CDs and creator's notes that many of the characters in Gunvolt are like GV, Copen, and Nova in that they're malleable. They are on the knife's edge of become the goodest boy or worst asshole. The only reason GV didn't go villain was because he met Quinn, after all. So one of the tragedies of killing them is you deny them the chance to redeem themselves.
As someone who hated every moment of GV1 and iX1 that I managed to suffer through, I appreciate GV3 even for no reason other than you finally get a sword and at least the auto-lock-on mechanic is finally fun.
>>570547192Rookie numbers compared to Ankama who had nipples and upskirts on a kids cartoon. >Posting certain images from the anime will even net you a vacation over on /v/ .Like what? The tail scene and MaiL backflip seem to be posted there all the time.
>>570545597>Berkana>Visible legs
>>570549498Another thing Majogami did better. Most of the Craft Witches were horrible people way worse than any of the adepts, yet they were all victims of Anser and twisted into it by her curse, and you save them in the true end.
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>>570550365What's this general consesus when two pieces of info that have been given the OK by the IP holder contradict one another?
>>570549292Who is getting the largest family, assuming survival into adulthood and victory over other females in securing a suitable love interest?
>>570550601Pick whichever version is hotter for your individual fetishes.
>>570550601What's the other one?
>>570543935That makes sense.>>570542000>Think the Zondafags have been acting up more with GX becauseof Precure and all the hype around Luluka and the general Alice craze. They want Zonda to be a muse because one of the things they've been building up to in the anime is the big idol power ups when each of them discovers their song.
>>570552284Some of the PreCure fights feel very similar to what playing Kirin or Copen well feels like.
>>570552284We're filled up on muses, so no new one. It will be Roro and Morpho only from here on. Pantera won't be in GX, but if she were, she won't be a muse because her VA. The singer for the cyber muse is always the same as the VA for the 130 cm who projects it. I think there was a misunderstanding that you could have a separate VA and singer, but it doesn't work that way. If there was a new muse, there would be a new 130 cm.
Funnily enough, I had no idea who Luluka was until this thread kept comparing her to Zonda
>>570546201They already have experience with lots of people dying due to Fafner, after all
>>570550601Whoever is the current IP owner decides the canon.
>>570550601make up a schizo headcanon that contradicts both
>>570551020>>570554448They should form a U130 idol group.
>>570564240But what if both were given the a OK by the current IP holder?
>you want this?>... I don't need something like this. It's just soft and fluffy and doesn't serve any purpose.>wouldn't it be more practical to buy things like dishes and towels for the same amount? This is just cute, fluffy and comforting, but it's not really a necessity at all.>[I bought it for her.]
>>570551020Zonda and by a lot.>Joulie and Mityl need to check in with the Kamizono clan after every child because that's how that clan works (and probably what stopped Maya and Houdai from going for a full soccer team >Zonda's aim is the total genocide of the minos and genocide by demographic replacement by mesugaki reverse rape gets the job done so she needs as many of those as she can
Holy fuccccccccck I don't caaaaaaaare
you control the posts you read
>>570552284I was expecting not Zonda to be front an center after every episode that she's not in gets very negative ratings.
>>570540624>trying to show off what she doesn't have
>>570575960From left to right: cuter and cute
>>570574727Nigga that's all the fucking posts in this shithole talk about something else for fucking once
>>570550601Explain what the other one is?
>>570572931Joule isn't part of the Kamizono, Zonda would win only because she'd be taking multiple cocks every day like a slut while Joule's probably locked to a single guy so time between pregnancies is larger.
>>570576296>I don't like what's being discussed, waaaah!>Won't discuss topics he actually likesYou are just lazy. Why not try the imagedump general?
>>570577003>imagedump generalWhich one? The one that dumps images without any supplementary comment or the general that dumps the same copypasta for the past 5 fucking years along with the same 5 Gunvolt girl images?
>>570572380Ace is a pretty cool guy, I'm glad he survived
>>570575960Not gonna lie chief, I don't think Misora got what it takes to survive the maid wars for even a week. Luna on the other hand...
>>570581435>Luna on the other hand...Not a day in and she'll be in the body bag.
>>570576741She's literally made of Kamizono DNA from nothing and they probably know about her.
>>570581626>This anon thinks that "dying" will stop the prez Joker hands wrote that post.
>>570581626So? She's cloned by the thosands and deployed as entire platoons.
>>570576741Zonda's influence was what made Lola a yandere.
Not beating the >day in and she'll be in the body bagallegations
>>570554448The misunderstanding is that her projections already have a different VA, but you are probably right.
>>570582749Not beating the >It doesn't matter anyways Counter argument
>>570583210Nice argument but no.
>>570554448>It will be Roro and Morpho only from here on.Damn, I really liked the enemy muse concept. Was cool seeing Luxia pop up to provide support for bosses reward you with more kudos. It made the playing field feel more even. If there was one criticism, I wish it was more like an actual enemy Anthem, and they'd have gotten more of a boost from it, especially when fighting ZED.
>>570576741>who's the father?>everyoneZonda's utopia.
Treat every fight with a cute adept like a date.
>>570587180Is this how clothing damage works in armed phenomenon?
>>570576741>More sex means more children That's not how that works for women! See also why reverse harems never worked IRL.
>>570513673The developers who erased their company
>>570576741Even after all this time, Joule still remains best girl.
>>570531984>女性(ヒト)In the Jap script, adepts consider themselves to be human/persons/people (ヒト). Some examples:Nimrod:無関係なんてヤツはいねえ…文明っつー 汚水に浸りきったヒトは その気がなくとも海を、自然を汚す… 結局ヒトは、自分を制御なんて出来ねぇだから優秀なヤツが管理するか、あるいは、単純に数を減らすか…どっちにしろ、エデンならそれが出来る。 そのジャマはさせねぇさ>No one is truly uninvolved... Humans, steeped as they are in the filth of civilization, inevitably pollute the oceans and nature—even without meaning to. Ultimately, people cannot control themselves. That leaves two options: have the most competent ones managing them, or simply reduce their numbers... Either way, Eden can make it happen. And I won't let anyone stand in the way.Nike:そうでハありませんアナタの進む道ハ, アナタを不幸にする,このままでハ, アナタは身を滅ぼすことになるでシょう...アナタの大切なヒトすら, 巻き込んで...>That is not the case.>The path you are taking will only bring you unhappiness;>if things continue this way, you will likely bring about your own ruin...>...and drag even those dear to you down with you.It's only in the English script do they call nonadepts "human," like adepts are something distinctly not human. It's still weird for Tenjian to say, as it's one of those ambiguous "universal" terms he avoids. Only the less hateful members of Eden use them.
>>570531984>迸れ!蒼き雷霆(アームドブルー)よ!!>躊躇いなき慧雷で、偽愛の楽園を討ち祓えッ!>Surge forth, Azure Striker!!>Let my lightning-bolt of righteous wisdom that knows no hesitation shatter this paradise of false love!So is all of Zonda's love faked or is GV wrong again?
>>570591752He is literally fighting a couple of fakes created by a fraudster assassin so I wouldn't put much thought into whatever he barks at clones meant to guilt trip him that he knows are fakes, unlike the Potential World fights where they're supposed to be the real articles.
>>570591752Considering her final spoken words and general trend of the series, he's probably wrong. She really needed that death conversation where you could see the emotions underneath the mask, because she's still too ambiguous of a character.Or he could have been referring to how the foundations of their paradise is built off of hate for the nonadepts, which is broadly true for Eden and specifically true for Tenjian, who he had been talking to the entire time. On the other hand, it was fake Zonda's dumb agitation he'd worked into his catchphrase.Pantera愛ディオス!愛ミーゴ!愛LOVEYOU!二人はまとめてわたしと愛し愛おうじゃないか!Kirinへ、変態だぁああ!?なんとかしてGV!GV今更許しを乞うつもりなんてない。ボクはボクにできることを積み重ねるだけだ。彼女は…きりんはボクにその道を示してくれた!きりんや仲間との出会いに支えられている今…お前たちの戯言に惑わされていたボクは、もういない!Pantera>Ai-dios! Ai-migo! Ai-Love-you!*>Why don't the two of you just love me—and let me love you—all at once!Kirin>A-A pervert!? Do something, GV!GV>I have no intention of begging for forgiveness now.>I will simply keep doing what I can.>She... Kirin showed me that path!>Supported by the bonds I’ve formed with Kirin and my allies...>The "me" who was swayed by your nonsense is gone!*愛 = Ai = Love. It's a cross language pun and references how Eden are a multinational organization. This is why translations/localizations are so difficult.
>>570592993This. I think the excuse would be that the clones were pulled from his memory, like IPs. They aren't the real people, who can be more nuanced and faceted. Like when B.B. runs into the Kirin illusion, it's the memory of the "scary" one who kicked his ass.
>first the dub was wrong>then the sub was wrong>now the game is wrongLmao.
>>570594848>GV3Yeah, the game that sets you to fight against literal caricatures of older characters might not be an entirely accurate portrayal of the real ones in the case of the illusions and the actual character fighting them might have a tendency to call things he knows are fake fake.
>>570594848People are mostly debating interpretations, since most of them only know a few dozen words of Japanes at most and are using MTL. And yeah, with INTI games, often the official translation is a bit off. It's really obvious when the characters use an English word and the sub translates it to be something different. However, so long as they get the "spirit" of the dialog across, it's usually not a big deal, unless the original JP script is subtle and heavy with subtext. This is one of the reasons why vidya tends to have extremely straight forward scripts compared to the old days as it makes it easy to translate for the global market.
>>570587403But isn't the point of attacking to kill? Why are you only damaging the battle armor and leaving the adept underneath unharmed?
>>570594848>expecting anything but forgery from the fake "indie" dev
>>570595562GV3 is not a real released video game. The game you're thinking of is actually Battle Priestess Kirin feat. Gunvolt from the Azure Striker Gunvolt™ series.Still waiting for Gunvolt 3 to release.
>>570597825The series ended with GV2 and Joule's death then.
>>570598260In essence, yeah. What we got was so far removed from the series it originated from that it may as well have been a new IP entirely.
>>570598260Joule's removal was probably necessary for GV's character development. Joule made his morality shrink to "harm Joule = no mercy," and he'd never have moved past the vengeance obsessed zapman who sees the world in simple black and whites and gets hard at the agony of his enemies had she hung around.
>>570598260I say iX.
If the tossed out drafts about what happened at the end of GV2 were canon, how would Joule have reacted to GV slaughtering the noncombatants down to toddlers at Belladen? Would she support him, would she be sad, would she blame Zonda for forcing GV down this path? How would she rationalize it?
>>570599280He literally had to be goaded into violence by Xiao to keep going in Belladen, it was entirely possible to concile both it's not like she was demanding him to kill people in her name, the ones doing that were Asimov and Xiao with the exception of her reaction to Teseo's trolling and fake Gibril's thristing.
>>570599743It was probably scrapped because it makes no sense: he's rushing the base to grab the remaining Joule fragments how does having a detour to kill noncombatants help him do that, it's just edgy bullshit that Tsuda put out without much thought in it.
>>570550601I freely ignore divehow long does it take to finish dive offline
>>570599743>robbed of the romantic mahou shoujo trope where a pure, hopeful Joultyl fixes the corrupted, cynical, and dark Gunvolt>the dynamic of unwavering optimism thawing a hardened heart, where Joultyl's empathy acts as the catalyst for GV's healing, moral alignment, and redemption>coming full circle with her now being the one to rescue him from the somber and bleak prison he finds himself inKuso Creates.
>>570599743She'd blame Zonda. >>570599980From the soldier's dialog in GV2, they were in the path of GV's rampage. Hence, the soldiers shouting about giving their lives to slow GV down or distract him so they could attempt an evacuation. All the draft confirmed was that their evacuation failed and GV killed most of the civvies, including a bunch of kids around Grazie's age (and Grazie would have been around 5 from the notes and her age after the ~10 year timeskip).
>>570600591Sorry anon, we Tsuda followers only answer to the call of "please kill the heroine", "themes" and "Locke the Superman references", no room for anything else. Have a crossover with the less interesting version of Copen instead.
>>570600742Anon I played the Belladen stage at no point do you come across any noncombatants what the hell are you talking about? Are you being possessed by Tai and pretending that shit you didn't put into the game while the player had control happened somehow?
>>570600591I like Cope/Zond for the same reasons, except with the added benefit of it going both ways and the archenemies-to-lovers trope.
>>570601164I'd imagine it would happen in an off-screen transition after blowing up a hexaphyle.>why doesn't GV mention itHe doesn't mention anything that happened at the Garden, see Zonda's death, where her name is never mentioned again. The entire time he's saying to focus on the future, not the past.
>>570599743>>570600961The Assault on Belladen is the Assault on Asteroid Kahn, but 100x more edgy. Millennium was nowhere near as sympathetic as Eden, and while Locke ripped through them like GV ripped through Eden, he didn't actually kill anybody. It ends ultimately with him, Millennium, and the nonesper Federation officer working together to stop the asteroid from dropping onto a planet after their evil cult leader sends it into a crash course. I think Tsuda missed the point of Witch of Millennium from which he copied most of GV2 from. Witch from Millennium had major points where espers and nonespers overcame their hate. GV and Quinn do not count, because they were already on the "right" side, sort of like how Kirin sparing "good" people doesn't count. I'm talking about people in the esper supremacist cult going "these nonespers aren't so bad" by the end, with one of the Millennium elite espers even marrying a nonesper Federation officer (the Federation being the Sumeragi of Choujin Locke, sometimes allies and sometimes enemies, but usually anti-esper). There is none of that in GV2, as much as Tsuda gestures to GV and Quinn.
>>570603901Yes but ultimately he slaughters weak Eden Pawn soldiers, what's this stupid draft with killing noncombatants even on about like are you fucking serious Tsuda how the hell does that work.
>>570603901The typical way Tsuda copies Locke is to take a wholesome storyline from it and ask what if Locke were a retard and everything went wrong.GV (the character) becomes doubly disappointing if you're familiar with Locke. There are many times when Locke comes to understand an antivillain and reaches his hand out to help them after a fight or inspires them to be a better person. Then that antivillain helps save the day later. In GV, it will be the almost exact same scenario, but GV will say that they are an evil, horrible, person beyond all redemption who he is going to bring the bolt of justice too, and then the antivillain doubles down on their bad qualities, and you get tragedy.
>>570603530This is just peak hack writing, oh so it wasn't worth mentioning or elaborating GV literally betraying the reason he started off his path to begin with when he refused to execute a noncombatant? Nor did Joule thought it was worth reacting to? Fuck whatever retard at Inti that thought of even putting it up for draft status.
>>570605338The only reason he didn't kill Joule was because she reminded him of himself when he was in the labs. If he had just encountered her chilling in a room, he probably would have killed her. He's killed innocent people before in bombings. Do you think every Sumeragi technician, pencil pusher, and other low level employee that GV kills is evil when they dominate the Japanese economy and employ a significant number of the population?
>>570606010Yes he planted a bomb in Biochem plant which killed workers, that's very different from coming across a bunch or toddlers and frying them for shits and giggles, but of course nuance in this series is dead so whatever, sure, he 8-tagged them and moonwalked away while holding flashfield and laughed his ass about it, then Joule cheered, happy now?
>>570448481Got an untranslated ace and spacing issue btw
>>570606296There are the bombings he did in the OVA as well. GV1 only gave us a small snapshot towards the end of his campaign against Sumeragi. One of the Nova's people were so merciless and uncompromising towards him when some of them were hesitant to kill even Eden members is because GV had been on a terrorist spree for more than a year and a half before GV1 kicked off properly.
>>570607221See how all of that is when he's under Asimov? And how this rampage killing children happens very much after he's done with Quill? In the same raid where he begs the pawns to stop throwing themselves at him? I'm not even arguing GV's a saint here just that the draft is straight up retarded given what we're provided with in-game.
>>570599743>If the tossed out drafts about what happened at the end of GV2 were canonIt was a grim day when some shitposter well-versed in a series' lore realized he could make up all sorts of plausible sounding nonsense to present as fact and mess with people.I don't know where this idea started but Gunvolt isn't the first series I've seen plagued by it.
>>570608779You know how Tenjian is based off Snow White. Grazie was originally based off one of the 7 dwarfs. She's the only survivor. She was with Tenjian when she was around 5 years old, and is seeking revenge against GV after the timeskip for what he did at Eden. People have also mentioned that it makes her berserker traits make a lot more sense in the final game if they were holdovers from that older character concept.
>>570609497In case there's anybody who doesn't know, all this concept art has is the designer suggesting the idea of Grazie knowing Tenjian since there's a design theme similarity, and for it to work Grazie would have been around 5 years old at the time.All the shit about kids being killed with her as the only survivor is completely made up.
>>570610268>>570608779I think people are inclined to believe it, because GV did kill a young character, even by the standards of Gunvolt, with no regret or comment beyond a vindictive they got what they deserved.
>>570611403>kills a young character that's on her way to enact a genocide>this somehow means he will execute unarmed toddlersAmazing discussion quality, full of nuance and in no way plagued with bad faith arguments left and right.
>>570611403More likely this is the kind of scenario that would have been written>Tenjian personally rescues a very young Grazie, as Eden's Party established he goes on those kinds of missions>GV/Copen rampage in Eden HQ happens, all the youngest members are evacuated to a safe place>>(maybe at the urging of big sis Desna/big bro Milas since they're the Rooks and one is still alive as the first G7 on defense depending on route?)>Battle concludes with all the leadership dead and Eden effectively destroyed, evacuated kids have no place to go and scatter to the winds facing hardships, and a lot probably die, mirroring Tenjian and Zonda's own background with the closed orphanage>10 years later Grazie is with ATEMS or whatever other enemy organization the staff were considering at the time since Sultan Zed wasn't the only design draft>Hates GV with a passion, could have her quote Desna's line about him being a demon who brings nothing but destruction too
>>570612178There's a reason she's the only final boss he isn't guilty about killing in GV3. He feels guilt for Nova and Asimov, but nothing for her. He was happy watching her die in agony with her horrible dreams of utopia crashing down around her. Honestly, I really do hate her though. I hate her more than any other character for what she did to Joule and Mytyl, and all for her perverted and hateful genocidal ideals. She really is the most disgusting character in Gunvolt.
>>570612445See this I can get behind. Good job anon.
>>570612842No, that is and will forevermore still be Asimov. Fuck you.
>>570612842Repeat a lie often enough and it stays a lie.
>>570611403We've talked about this for way too long. Like most of the adepts, it's only in the side material that Pantera acts and is treated as her age implies. Inside the games, she's mentally a creepy adult and GV treats her as such. That's why he feels schadenfreude at the end of the battle, and it doesn't become a point of major reflection and character growth like Shiden or Asimov's passing. It's one thing to kill somebody who has 'killed' your most precious person and is threatening millions, and a completely different thing to kill noncombatants. It is really INTI's fault since they keep playing weird games with the side content, and they gave Pantera a design and age that demands some commentary. You can't just throw that out there and say that this character should be treated the same as Asimov in and out of setting (and GV actually treats Asimov with more sympathy, even after the betrayal, despite learning Pantera's background and that Tenjian had raised her). GV should have said a throwaway line about how screwed up it was, like characters will in the side stories or iX, but that's too introspective for the lightning man, who likely thinks killing her will fix the racism problems.
>>570612842Based.
>>570614205Inter are makers of bad plots. Her age and how it's treated in game is as much of a prank at players' expense as the original Zonda was in GV1.
>>570614205>Like most of the adepts, it's only in the side material that Pantera acts and is treated as her age implies. Inside the games, she's mentally a creepy adult and GV treats her as such.That's not true. >GV should have said a throwaway line about how screwed up it was, like characters will in the side stories or iX, but that's too introspective for the lightning man, who likely thinks killing her will fix the racism problems.While it's true that GV is flawed, that's not a fault of Inti.
>>570599743Joulie was full on evil fairy mode by then.
>>570614897Like Tai said, her age and design were meant to shock/leave an impression. It's why Tsuda saying that killing her was a piece of the happy ending showed how out of touch he was. You've introduced a character I want to head pat because you want to shock me with her personality and then death; why would I feel the same catharsis for killing her as I did Asimov, especially when her last lines are crying for her brother? But he also believed everything else about the ending made it happier than GV1's ending. He probably subscribed to the idea that Joule was a curse on GV, so her passing to Mytyl was a good ending, and Mytyl forgetting all the pain and moving on from GV/Copen was also good.>>570615534>That's not true.What part of that is not true?
>>570616603She wouldn't cheer on it and has already been proven to be anon making shit up.
>>570616757So Tai is a hack, wonderful.
>>570617083It's Tai and Tsuda butting heads. It's pretty common if you read the interviews, creator notes, etc. Tai wanted an ending that would be painful and stab you in the heart. Tsuda wanted something bittersweet. The meeting between GV and Mytyl was Tsuda's idea by the way. Tai didn't want it as he said it was too bitter, but Tsuda thought it was happy.
>>570617372So two idiots invalidating each other leading to a shit end result, much better.
>>570593026>She... Kirin showed me that path!So happy the Girlboss Plant is already being shoved the door with GX bros.
>>570618659I would have rather had Mytyl doing it, but Joule and Quinn certainly weren't going to show him how to be better. They supported everything he did, and when he started second guessing himself or considering why the enemy are fighting, they told him to stop thinking painful thoughts because you are a good person.
mythril is a nothing character and i won't miss her
>>570617596Now you're getting it. But it seems like a lot of times, Tai wants edge, and Tsuda wants something that's cool and "bittersweet." Yet Tai's suggestions end up being nowhere near as edgy as Tsuda's. And Tsuda always ends up being confused because he doesn't think he's that edgy when everyone else tells him it's too stupid or bleak, or it's not cool, you've just made the heroes unlikable. Like one of the famous arguments between Tai and Tsuda was over Nova. Tsuda wanted him to be the President/CEO of Sumeragi, and Tai told him that there is no way in hell a 14-year-old is leading a megacorp, and he's not going to be writing something so stupid. Tsuda caved, so Nova was made lieutenant of a small, but elite force of Sumeragi that maintains and defends the barrier in the final draft.Another case was when Tsuda wanted GV1 to end with Japan annihilated by missiles when Sumeragi went down. Tai opposed this for being way too bleak, and eventually won out, but it apparently happened late in development, which explains why the Asimov boss battle was rushed to completion.Tsuda also wanted GV to be the antagonist of GV2 before he flipflopped back to him being a protagonist, surprising Tai, who tried to argue that there was no way that a person like GV could remain a hero, and that doing this would force him to toss out his old drafts and quadruple his workload. Tsuda won out, in the end however, and they came up with Quinn as an excuse for why GV didn't go villain.Maybe Zonda's death was Tsuda's idea as well, since he talked about how it was part of making a happier ending. It might have happened late into development, hence the lack defeat dialog, or the lack of impact she leaves on GV/Copen and the rest of the remaining story in comparison to every other villain, even the ones in iX. He probably thought it made GV look cooler too.
>>570618659Yeah now we can get the TRVE friendship speech. I'm ready for some Nakamakino.
>>570619215She'll appear in GX's joke ending and you'll love it.
>>570617372But them doing that is what made Gunvolt 1 and 2 so good.
>>570621557And now they're united again for GX.
SimsVolt
>filenameThey never left, haven't they.
>>570623062>expecting half the general to ever leave
>>570623614>it's the general>it's not bluesky touristsHello there.
>>570624784>oh no it's bluesky>oh no it's reddit>oh no it's the other generalMake up your mind faggot
>>570625120>the other general is full of redditors who flead to bluesky once they decided Elon's platform was problematicWow, that was so simply to sort off.
>unprompted seething about bluesky and the other thread>bonus: typos
>doesn't address the point>add hominen'sTell me you're bad at this, without telling me you're bad at this.
Gunvolt:When I was about 20 years oldI realized love did not exist in this world.That it's an impossible dream to look for an authentic romance or friendship with people confined to the roles society assianged to them.Just as Kings and Commoners can never see eye to eye.It's as obvious as can be.At least that's what I believed when I was 20 years old.Money! Woman! Sex!These three seemingly unrelated words mingled together and became impossible for me to tell apart.
>>570625773>doesn't address the point>add hominen's>just blames everyone elseThat's you're coping mechanism?
>>570625773there is no point to address, you're just an obsessed faggot bitching about shit outside of your control>add homien'syou're not smart enough for this
Remember. You have to eat all of the eggs.
>>570625884>>570625961>thinks samefagging helps his case
>>570626347>now copes by thinking it's samefagging
>>570626347Have you ever considered multiple people might find you stupid AND annoying?
>>570626569>>570626513>multiple samefagging posts>showing up right after the tourism was called offMany such cases.
>>570626720>multiple samefagging posts>less than 1 minute apartYou're really not good at this.
>>570626720>called offcalled out? fuck, you're such an insufferable esl retard.
>>570626853>he noticed I'm also using a phone>aieeeeeeeNot sending their best.
>>570622968Bossu drank too much and picked another fight that he lost...
>>570626931lollmao even
>>570626829As much as I like the gameplay, score attack is a bad fit for the story and characters. What would be the ideal genre, anyway?
yeah the dirty esl is just shizoposting to shit up the thread at this point.
>>570627075It worked for at least 3 games tho.
>>570627075Now for GV2's story.
>>570626829>>570627075>>570627272The fuck is this format?
>>570626280Why is Roro the most freaked out of the 3? She should be the most used to that!
>>570627272>>570627241It works, but you can see the strain through all the supplementary material. They try to get around it by theming the series around the dangers of "one-sided perspectives.">>570627363Images pasted together.
>>570627140>nothing else but "muh esl" seetheOkay, just keep shitting up thread culture then.
>>570627653End. GV2 seems to be the least liked of the main Gunvolts at INTI as Tsuda drove the staff half dead to meet his demands and the deadlines, and then there's all the drama over the ending, but it is the most loved, if not controversial (in a good way), among the fanbase.
>>570627695>t. had a meltdown because of a totally innocuous image, but the filename was from a VERBOTEN WEBSITE and allowed him to pivot into ranting about another thread, and the delusion that the thread is perpetually under siege by touristsDespite your best wishes, being an incoherent, angry, paranoid and stupid esl that endlessly seethes about other threads ISN'T thread culture.
>>570627695>thread culturelollmao even
>>570628112You can't expect anything better from a dogposter.
>>570627653Niceeee buttfangs on that Roro.
>>570606690I think I fixed that from the last report: for some reason the template had a newline in italso z2.2 might be hardware compat soon
>>570621557>GV2>goodNo, at least not the story part, it's messy as fuck. GV3 is even worse but that doesn't excuse 2.
>"蒼き雷霆 ガンヴォルト ストライカーパック>SFライトノベル×爽快アクション>未来を求め抗う少年少女たちの、雷光速・ヒロイック異能サーガ!"Azure Striker Gunvolt: Striker PackSci-fi light novel x exhilarating action storyA lightning-fast, heroic saga of supernatural powers featuring young boys and girls fighting for the future!lol the description makes it sound like all these characters are fighting together, not against each other, but it is technically true.
>>570630003Fair enough. I'm gonna throw these last ones just in case, some spacing in pilots and when you can't swap mechs (chirico without a spare scopedog), insufficient PP, the BGM names and one entry that was odd, seems like the AI ate the remaining text.
>>570634754I might just leave the BGMs, I think there's little point translating song titlesThe rest I should fix
>>570627075It's not score attack that's the problem, it's the stage select format and especially the refusal to include an in-game database.Because of stage select each one has to be written like it's the first in the story. They've gotten around this a little by separating them into waves since iX1, but the overall narrative is still constrained. If there was a database with entries for bosses that unlock after you beat them, then the most important details of their backstories could actually be included in the games.
>>570630537The only two really dumb things I can think of are Eden fucking up GV's city, you know when they could have just left, and Copen or GV bringing the shards to Belladen. Actually, Tenjian's planning in general is stupid evil. I guess maybe muse lust made them throw morals to the wind or something, like Viper or Elise, because they don't seem as evil in the extra stories (see Zonda revenge massacres are not good comment).
>>570635270>stage select format Majogami's story is so much stronger because it's linear. You could have so much more plot and character interactions/development happening, because the writer knew who was alive and who was dead at any point of the player's journey.And then, for the second loop, it does do an MM stage-select, because it's basically a "boss rush" where you're fighting through a level to beat up and rescue the boss at the end, and thus there's barely any story development to be concerned about until after all the bosses have been collected.
>>570635275>the entire basis for the plot happening to begin with is stupid so it has to be excused with bullshitYes, one of the reasons why the plot is bad.>>570636508Too bad the core game part of it is so dogshit none of what it does right matters, waste of art assets and storytelling, should've made an RPG or anything else.
>>570635270>>570636508Why are they so married to the Mega Man Classic stage select system? If they really wanted a stage select system, they could have done something like MMZ, where you're picking between mission chains instead of individual stages. You complete one stage, and you unlock the next stage on the chain. In that way, they could tell a more ambitious storyline and still have "choice." I'm a fan of just going linear, even though I know 90% of the fandom would flip out over it.>>570637001>>570635275Apparently, Xiao is manipulating Eden, GV, and Nori behind the scenes. Everything happening in GV2 is just so he can get the pendant. Still kind of dumb, but INTI has their asses covered.
>>570637665If we had the diagram it'd be fun, but the MMZ mission choice UI was awfulI like what both MM8 and M&B did, because it allows you to build later stages on the assumption of you having earlier weapons, while still allowing you to choose stages
>>570637665I think the Z2-Z3 system is ideal, where you get an intro level, then a batch of levels that all have a small piece of the puzzle, then an intermission stage that advances the plot using all the story pieces already assembled to transition into Act 2, then another batch of levels under the escalated status quo, then another intermission using the second batch of story parts that escalates to Act 3, etc. You get the gameplay choice and are able to tell a story with rising action, setup, payoff, and progression.
>>570638218Isn't that what GV3 try to do?
>>570638410GV3 did try a bunch of Zero stuff. For example, the first intermission in GV3 and Z3 is you running on the surface of a missile in flight. GV3 has other storyline problems.
>>570638410And it had a stronger structure because of that. But a strong structure won't benefit your plot if it isn't that good and everyone is pissed from the hooks in the past game being ignored.
>>570637665>INTI has their asses coveredNo they don't, they just ignored him so he did all that to get the pendant to do absolutely nothing, he's just there to force the plot to happen the way it does and at the same time vanish when it's convenient for these hacks without being properly addressed, superlative writing.
>>570637665>INTI has their asses covered>
>coolguy who is in way over his head>green-haired "witch" who has been touched by "the power">devoted ninja maid>disabled sister who coolguy would do anything for
>>570639876Jibuun wo
>>570640950wait a second...
>>570635275They reason why they stuck around was to fuck up Sumeragi and draw GV and Copen out. Remember that GV/Copen stole two of the mirror shards, and Sumeragi had done a lot of screwed up stuff to adepts like human experimentation or turning adepts into consumer goods. So they decided to kill three birds with one stone. Else, if they had all the mirror shards, they would have packed up and left. They might have been able to go back to Belladen and lay a trap for GV and Copen, then gank them to get the shards back, but that didn't work out well in canon either. They were basically screwed from the moment GV got the shard.As for why GV and Copen took the shards to Belladen, it's because they merged them with their muses. Maybe Copen could have taken the shards out of Lola, but he felt the safest place was next to him. Neither of them knew Zonda could pull the shards out of the muses with Mytyl.And why their attack seemed so scattershot was because Tenjian or Zonda (who knows) just let them loose on Japan. Some of them, like Desna, targeted legitimate Sumeragi assets and seemed to keep bloodshed to a minimum. Teseo targeted an abandoned Sumeragi data facility and was using it to expose Sumeragi crimes, so his actions were pretty good. Then there were cases like Gibril where Eden were murdering random highschoolers. So they were all over the place. It didn't matter so long as they used their powers to normalize the shards and drew out GV/Copen.
>>570639876How are they going to ship Lola with Copen in the new timeline without the mirror shards?
>>570641848One detail, GV didn't steal one mirror shard, it's just that the fragment containing Joule's consciousness naturally stayed with GV. In fact now that I think about it that kind of causes a plot hole with Copen's route as Eden never gets that back.
>>570642107They aren't. His type looks like this.
>>570642923There's currently one petite blonde on the cast, and she'd have a positive reception to white haired older brother types. She's also the antagonist he's always paired up fighting against in the promotional material, official art, and spinoff games.Ah, it'd never happen. INTI isn't based enough to copy that Choujin Locke reference.
>>570643304>There's currently one petite blonde on the castLayla is a ZEDfag though so that leaves no one.
>>570642107I wonder how people would take that because Roro is the untaken idol and that might be what allowed to go for a longer time that the other two. It most certainly killed Luxia.
>>570644172>Roro is the untaken idol>songs are so shit nobody wants her
>>570644172>>570644429Well, it's more that without Pantera's influence RoRo can't actually feel love.Oh sure she'll be lustful and caring and bang someone daily, but she literally can't feel love.Thanks Tai, this was a good bit of dehumanization that she doesn't have emotions by herself since she's just a machine.
>>570644170You speak as if Morb didn't reset GV's life.
>>570644685>>570644172Still a slim chance they retcon it.
>>570645287Who knows, maybe iX RoRo interacting with Pantera will awaken her ability to feel love.
>>570645287Drawn with the huge buttons, she does look like a Roll.
>>570645108GV's life. Not anyone else's.
>>570645528But she always had the big Roll style buttons.>>570645604That doesn't make sense.
Looking at prior Gunvolt teams, GX is going to need at least a hacker/info guy and "girl." That's the common factor across all teams.Cyber Divas don't count as "girl," by the way. Sorry Lola, but it has to be able to suck dick to count.So what do you think they'll do? Just stick with the four we have, or add some characters? Knowing INTI, they'll tell at one point that there will be new team members to build hype, only for all the new members to be Kohaku, Null, and the GV3 characters, pissing everyone off.
>>570646995They're just going to stick to the 4 we have, because that's the most disappointing outcome and this is GV3 content so nothing that would be actually good or interesting is allowed.
>>570635275Eden's attack plan is the same as Gunvolt in the first game (cause as much death and mass destruction as possible, instead of getting in and out in a stealthy manner). He's fighting his old self, which is why he projects against them so much. There really was no reason to announce themselves to the world by crashing an airship into the twin towers, but they saw an opportunity to get back at Sumeragi (remember Eden got driven off by Nova and Merak in one the audio dramas) and probably got too excited.
>>570648120Sticking to the four we have would be less disappointing than getting Quinn or Moniqa. If it's just the current four, it's just going to be whatever. However, if it's a disappointing character, not only do they take up story and dialogue, you'll be asking why they couldn't have added somebody else like Joule or one of the former antagonists.
>>570632850I wish they and the fans would stop infantilizing GV characters, especially Nova and Zonda. While their bodies are not fully developed, their brains are. Thus in mentality and moral culpability, they are adults, and should be thought of ant treated as such. There is nothing different from gunning them down then there is any 50 something secret police chief or terrorist leader. They are not "naive" nor "malleable." The only actual believable kids in the series would be the ones from iX, Joule, and Quinn.
>>570648787Yes. A boring character would be a net negative. Give me somebody who adds something meaningful to the team dynamic/story or nobody.
>>570649784Quinn and Null it is.
>>570650003Would not put it past INTI, especially because those two are easy to write. The BMZ writer would probably be willing to take more risks with the hero team composition than Tsuda, who wants an island of domestic stability and healing instead of colorful personalities.
>>570648742Discount Zonda should wear something like a laced thong.
>>570650507Zonda is the temu copy.
>>570650507Pantera is love, not lust. You're thinking of Cyan.>>570650820Would Cyan be Aliexpress Mytyl?
>>570650440We have had a decade of submissive gacha waifus since GV2's release. And while they're all for (You), they have actual personalities and quirks and can actually be married. Quinn had better up her game now that Ancie exists.
>>570545346I know a certain local celebrity who loves the feeling of giving birth, accusing them of having rabbit genes. Is it that awkward?
>>570650440>who wants an island of domestic stability and healing instead of colorful personalities.It's ironic then that the bad guy groups feel warmer and more interesting because of the zany personalities and gap moe. One of the reason Eden and ATEMS feels better is that they can be funny or sometimes snippy, but they genuinely do support each other (well, excepting Sistina, but she has issues), whereas Joule in GV1 and the groupies in GV's team in GV2 are just nice (though Joule's jealousy should add some spice, it's just kind of sad and painful instead). Copen's team is actually interesting, however, because they aren't just being nice and supportive to each other.
>>570545597No anon, the babies can't be made in a factory. As in, you have time impregnate Berkana not assemble a new reploid with Berkana's help.
>>570650925She's an evil magical girl. Those have very strict dress codes.
>>570652015>the babies can't be made in a factoryShe can BE the baby factory.
>>570652234That secred died with Roll and wasn't rediscovered until ZX.
>>570646995I'd really want Joule. While I think Joule will show up, I don't think she'll be in the group. They'll be a lot of hints about her as they drag her introduction out, and then she'll show up at a pivotal moment near the end. Or maybe they show her off in a secret ending like Mytyl.Zonda would be very cool as well, but she's too OP unless nerfed. And if she were on a team, she'd be the supportive, but weird one who comes in clutch with the esoteric Septima lore (vs Copen with his more scientific approach).But I don't think INTI is cool enough to put any of the villains from the first two games on the hero team, even though the Time Clip could be such an outside context problem that it forces a team up, and navigating morality in Gunvolt is messy to the point that GV would have gone villain had he not met Quinn.That's assuming if other characters are even trapped in the Time Prison. It could be that the only characters there are the 4 and their ghostly enemies, but that would be very lame.
>>570654592>vs Copen with his more scientific approachCopen is suffering amnesia and doesn't even know what a hexaphyle is. Who knows how much he remembers.
>>570653572>That secred died with RollRoll literally had nothing.
>>570652114>Gibril at home
>>570649412Somebody's too much of a pussy to feel sad.
>>570649412Okay, so why even make them look like that if they're just meant to be seen and treated as adults. Young+ small + cute characters automatically get audience sympathy. If they're antivillains, their deaths are mourned because they could have been "saved," because no matter how mature you make them behave or treat them, people still think "they'll change." And it's not like Gunvolt doesn't have plenty of adult antagonists.
>>570660518Because it's marketed towards the 10-14 demographic, and they want to see kids killing other kids in edgy ways. What's cool is somebody who is too cool to feel even if his enemy is forced into being bad. If they are mind controlled, the hero will still rip out their guts. They can't do the gore in games, but they can do the other stuff. It also makes the games more unique.But Gunvolt is schizo in that while the games are for kids, the short stories and audio dramas are for older teens and adults. This ends up with the non-game stuff making the games much more melancholic and fucked up if incorporated. The supplements will draw attention to the screwed up stuff adults would notice but handwave as anime tropes in the game. They will make characters behave immaturely, like Nova having nightmares where he's crying out for his parental figures not to leave him, Zonda believing/doing dumb shit because she doesn't know better and treating her mission sort of like a game/having fun with the others, or Copen acting like a teenager around a disguised Lola on a not-date. And >>570649412 mentioned iX having kids that act like kids. Well Tai said that iX was meant for older teens, so that's probably why.And now they have done what Tai said they never should do and crossed the streams between games and supplementary material in GV3 and CnC. Or maybe INTI just gave up marketing to the younger demographic after GV2.
>>570660518>Girlboss CEO>A robot was her only chance of getting companionshipToo realistic.
>Fixed an issue where the Meteor Server could be accessed when Noise Level was over 200% even when Mega Man was not in a Noise Form.What the fuck is going on in starforce 3 pvp
>>570656514>Utena understood how to use electricity to correct female combatants better Gunvolt in 5 minutes.
>>570661324>and they want to see kids killing other kids in edgy ways. Not true anymore. Kids of that age right now think that the hip thing to do is to kill themselves and post that on Tick Tock. That's the part about the incomming demographic collapse nobody is ready to talk about.
Chances of something like this again for GX's finale?
>>57066350310 percent chance we see anything like it ever again.. It's the epitome of 2010s chuuni cringe.
>>570663503Not likely because ping pong rocket man and the electric orphan killer sucked as final bosses and everyone knows it. You can do a bit to make Gunvolt into a cool boss battle, but you can't do a lot with Copen.Aside from Mytyl and the muses, it stunk from a plot angle compared to Asimov and even Morbvolt. They're fighting for no reason but Copen being nuts with grief. Even after Mytyl's shown to be alive, they don't stop. Major disappointment following the Zonda battle ending on a disappointing note and not being fun, and all that for the pain of that Mytyl ending.
>>570664170The pointlessness of Zonda's death and Copen/GV's fight is the point. It's why the Japanese loading screens for the levels are sympathetic to Zonda by highlighting she's a lone young girl praying for peace or asks of Copen and Gunvolt who the muse truly sings for in the clash of the two boys. That's why Zonda doesn't get any emotional resolution with the player and GV and Copen's fight feels so stupid. It's supposed to feel hollow for the tragedy.But man, I'm tired of discussing GV2, even if I want GX to bring Xiao and Joule/Mytyl back, and at least cameo Zonda. I guess it's only going to get more intense as we get closer to release as GV2 was the last time we've had Cope + GV together.
>game falls to the lowest amount of active players ever right after the newest patchcapcom messed upnow even the sales are probably escaping
>>570650925>"The lust boss isn't lust she's achtyually love instead it's the literal heroine of the first game that's in love with one of the protagonists!"Why are you like this.
>>570665915GV2 is such a shit game to defend its ending sequence you have to resort to the pretentious "it's bad on purpose to make it feel hollow" excuse. I will never understand why people hold it in such high regard outside of cute girls factor or liking Copen gameplay which is only half the game at best.
>>570674475>"The lust boss isn't lust she's achtyually love insteadYes.
>>570676164>continues to post offtopic girl
>>570672225Could be worse.
>>570672225What did the newest patch do?
>>570678178Luna handholding was censored.
>>570674475Slutdafags are eternally envious of Joulegods.
>>570679931Imma be real with you, I sometimes forget Joule exists.
>>570680394>the Zondafag forgets half the anchor of her plan existsI already knew you faggots are only into her because cute girl and barely read the story beyond what's needed to pass your headcanon as fact but thanks for the confirmation.
Nothing but hot air.
ProtoKEK says there's still one more music pack update for SF Collection be released, but literally why is Capcom waiting so long for that? Most people have already beaten the game.
>>570664170>You can do a bit to make Gunvolt into a cool boss battle, but you can't do a lot with CopenHs first encounter in GV1 works well as a "secret" boss who forces you to use everything in your toolkit to dodge. He's surprisingly challenging and dangerous for a mere human. It's just that by GV2, his novelty has worn off and he's also a playable character, so it was hard to rework him into a boss.
>>570685023As his SP skill as a boss shows, he still had the old weapons and there was no need to make his regular moves so lame.
>>570680847She's not even that cute. She's scary how cold and sadistic she is and uses everyone around her. It is hard to GV is the only to see through her love as fake and self serving. She is the most inhuman character in Gunvolt so far and almost as evil as Asimov. Like GV said, I will never forgive her or show her mercy for what she did to Joule.
>>570685023>all he does is dash around occasionally, pause, then fires 2-3 slow lasers>repeat>doesn't even use his EX weaponsGV2 boss Copen feels like it was put into the game 2 weeks before release. It's such a shallow and shitty boss fight completely lacking in spectacle. It can honestly hardly be described as such, all that buildup and THAT is is supposed to be the big finale? Feels more like a prologue or a mid-stage boss.Just another Copen L.
>>570676307She's discount Zonda.
>>570687636>completely lacking in spectacleBut he has Anthem.
>>570676307That's not Yoshiko and/or her crab fishing crew.
>>570678178https://www.capcom-games.com/megaman/starforce/en-us/update/
>>570687723Still offtopic.
>>570689283And Joule is stuck in the fairy cuck jar.
>>570690115Yeah GV a shit what else is new, maybe you could try posting something on topic for a change.
>>570687978How does anthem work on a normal human anyway.I guess Copen's power armor could have some resuscitation capabilities built-in in the event he goes into cardiopulmonary arrest and Lola can supercharge that, but they can't, like, sing his soul back or whatever.I mean I'm assuming they can't. Maybe anthem just works on every living thing.
>>570691563His GV2 armor incorporates Azure Striker powers. Also, it's magic.
>>570691563Anthem can't bring back dead people, that's Elise's septima, all it does in GV's case is supercharge Azure Striker's regeneration factor before GV dies.
>>570689004I knew I wasn't going crazy thinking locenemy was broken in 3
>>570692287>>570693089It doesn't really 'bring back dead people', when the Muse sings to an ally the resonance can bend causality which is what undoes lethal damage. And it is incredibly potent because a Septima is effectively pure soul magic and that's what the Muse reverbs with.But that still doesn't explain why it works on Copen since you would assume the lack of a Septima would mean there's nothing for the Muse to work with. Then there's also the whole thing about it inexplicably not working in iX during one of Copen's many jobber moments.Most likely it is something Inti didn't want to think too much about.
>>570675141Contrarianism makes you a nigger, not cool.
>>570690815Something ontopic
>>570446815here from the farther reaches of 4chanjust wanted to say that OP pic reminds me of the pixies from Monster Rancher
>>570695872Copen's armor has a healing function and is powered by an AB Drive which copies the Azure Striker to function so I assume it merely supercharges that.>>570695936I am not being contrarian, I genuinely do not understand why it's held into such high regard when the game feels so rushed and the defense for such a sub par finale is "it's bad on purpose!". Who the fuck cares about "being cool" in a vietnameese image board anyways.
>>570688117We already know RoRo's the one actually doing the crab fishing.
I thought the GV2 ending being "bad on purpose" was a description of the Inti development clusterfuck, not a defense.
>>570686426>he still had the old weaponsExcept Greed Snatcher, so lacking his deadliest trump card. Whenever you fight Copen in GV1 you feel like you can't let your guard down at any moment, not just because of the bullets but also his attack patterns designed to screw you over. It actually feels like you're fighting an experienced "adept killer" who has an answer for all your tricks.
>>570698236The misery masturbators always bring it up as a positive point
>>570697914Is thay Yonahe the nogames making another cope?
>>570697246>the game feels so rushedIt doesn't.
>>570701046Please elaborate how it isn't rushed when each character has a shorter runtime than the already short first game, two GV skills got cut, you being able to kill the actual head of the operation first without much fanfare and Belladen being extremely lazy with its background assets and last segment.
>>570698392>except Greed SnatcherAnon he literally uses it in phase 2, the only reasons he holds back with it are a meme: paranoia of countermeasures and him bankrupting the Kamizono estate if he overuses them.
My Zonda power is growingNo, you are not getting context
>>570701709>Anon is making a Zonda mod for Little Witch Nobeta
>>570700247>so angry that he had to speed type a cope post
>>570627075>What would be the ideal genreRPGmaker hentai game.
>>570701318>each character has a shorter runtime than the already short first game,Both characters get the same amount of levels as the first game after you beat it, thanks for confirming you haven't done so, storyfag.
>>570697914The funniest thing is that Yatch is actually talking about game bundles but they're still not mentioning Gunvolt or Inti.
>>570701046There is something to be said about how quickly we move past Zonda's death and onto the tragedy of Mytyl. And then that awful final fight.It does feel like they ran out of time or money. Or both.
>>570702768I can see Gunvolt in that image, anon.
Anyone else want to kabedon Zonda and keep kissing her until all her composure is gone
>>570702560Those are bonus missions and no that doesn't bring them to the same count as GV1, you're still missing the Gauntlet equivalents you get when you beat GV1, unless you count DLC made after release which would just prove the point.>>570702560
>>570702945They were dealing with MN9 flop so maybe that was a factor.
>>570703097>mentioningRead nigga, read.That image is literally the only thing they've posted about Gunvolt and they still don't talk about Gunvolt or Inti or retweet them.
>>570703928Are they supposed to?
>>570702945>There is something to be said about how quickly we move past Zonda's deathWe're just telling zonda to fuck all the way off
What is a "Yatch?" Doesn't sound like it would sail very well.
>>570704038Considering how Inti tried desperately tagging them when those would either be mentions and retweets and Yatch did neither...
If only the French version had budget
>>570703851Based Momo. This series needs more NTR.
>>570704227Lovely name for the yacht Lola's crabfishing from.
>>570704824Nah fuck that, this one's better anyways. I will give her that it provided a great meme image for Xiao though.
>>570705158Is this one scanned anywhere? I can’t find it.
>>570706738Not that I'm aware of sadly.
>>570701709Damn you zondarian
Does GX have a release date?
>>57071050306/10/2004
>>570711461
BEHOLD!
>>570702016Maybe it's a Pantera mod for Castlevania.
Castlevania?
>>570702945>>570675141>>570698450The gameplay was unintentionally shit from overwork (thank you Tsuda) and people should bitch about it. But from a writing perspective, everything was intentional. The feeling of stuff just suddenly being cut-off unsatisfactorily and left unresolved is purposeful. Classic GV is a cynical setting. It's not MMZ and Zonda isn't getting Elpizo's death, she just dies with nothing, GV spits on her corpse, and she leaves with no impact at all on the story or characters. You expect something emotional, especially for the death of a little girl (doesn't matter how she talks with how she looks, and they call her one in the game itself before you go off to fight her), but it's treated with less fanfare than some of her minion's deaths. That is likely to subvert expectations and shock you, and make her death feel hollow and "too soon." There is no emotional relief.For Gunvolt and Copen's battle, it's in character, and it was always treated as dumb. It's Copen being a bitch because ADEPT. Copen is a lot like a more extreme version of GV in the way he jumps to conclusions that are technically correct but misses or ignores the complete picture. He's right when he calls GV out for being destructive and a killer, but there's a lot of context that he is ignoring. I think the so-called pointlessness of the fight is looping back to what Zonda said about adepts and nonadepts being incapable of getting along. This is it in its purest form, because there's no purpose or higher ideal behind the fight. I doubt Copen or GV understand why they're fighting once it commences, they're just going at it with no thought but KILL.Apart from Mytyl, one of the reasons GV2's ending feels so empty is that it never really challenges Zonda's claims. Everything is ambiguous. The resolution does not see differences conquered with compassion like MMZ or Choujin Locke, but instead more hatred, violence, and apathy, because Gunvolt is deeply cynical.
>>570716512Filling Carrie with my vampire cum
>>570711461Based.
>>570716863I just have to ask, what's the point of it all then? That there is no point and it's just an edgefest for edge's sake?
>>570716512Zonda when she says she wants to try something different with me
>>570716863>>570719658I think that's what Tai wanted. Tsuda advertised it to be happier than GV1's ending, but he said killing Zonda and Mytyl's amnesia were happy when everyone else off the director team told him it was anger inducing or a depressionfest.My theory is that on Zonda, Tsuda wanted the 8-4 version (remember, he was the guy who wanted Nova as CEO, but everyone else vetoed him), while Tai wanted the EP version because it was more realistic and would make the player more miserable (Tai had very positive things to say about EP and retconned material to line up with it). So that's why Tsuda said killing her should make the player happy, but Tai wrote it to be sad with what little he had (like the level blurb and her final spoken lines). On Mytyl's amnesia, he thought that it was uplifting as it represented GV and Joule/Mytyl moving on from one another. They can finally put all the misery behind them and look to a happier future. It doesn't work that way, and most people would be terrified of forgetting a dead loved one, even if the memories are painful, not relieved.
>>570722001Most of the team were already pissed off from the long hours and Tsuda continually creeping the mission despite their short development deadline. Tsuda had used the happy ending stuff to motivate them, so it was all a slap in the face. For extra insult, most of the characters were OCs taken from the staff as well. That's why you had so much anger and staff saying they hated Gunvolt after the second game.
>>570719658>That there is no point and it's just an edgefest for edge's sake?It wasn't the intention at first, but it became that after the fact. Araki and Tai have said stuff to the effect of we like it better than what we initially had planned. So the feeling desolation was an unintentional, but happy "accident." If they really wanted to "fix" it, they would have done so with a re-release, patches, or DLC, like they did with GV1 or GV3. I know they were discussing GV2 story changes back when they were considering adding proto-Kirin into the Strikers re-release, but decided against it.
>>570722001>>570722402So from what I can gather, Tsuda is an idiot that broke his own team into not caring anymore and that's probably why there was little to no opposition during 3 and there's less care put into the characters as well.
>>570723795>Tsuda is an idiot that broke his own team into not caring anymore「恨みます!」"I resent you"That's what Araka and Yamada said to Tsuda when he came in and told them midway through development that he wanted Gunvolt to be a hero, so trash the masked villain concept, and he wanted a separate music track for GV. This meant that their workload effectively doubled, and they did not have that much time. Tai also said that not only will he have to toss the old drafts, but two protagonists means four times the work.He ended up fucking GV3's development cycle too, which was why they replaced him with the CotM director.>less care put into the characters as well.Yeah. They asked the staff for OCs in GV3 as well, and probably promised they weren't going to kill them after a few lines of dialog this time, but all they got were "he likes lifting" or "he was a hitman, now he's an office worker." Whereas for GV2, they got stuff like Asroc, Gibril, Desna, or Zonda and Tenjian's character stories which expands the setting while showing how these characters came to be who they are while still following off the general children's stories theme of the group.
Western development seems very silly, where focus groups and ESG determine everything. Japanese development seems like a constant state of Looney Tunes.
>>570725872This is just an Inti thing. This is the same company where Aizu is president only because nobody else wanted the role.
>>570726383Inti certainly has a certain pathology unique to itself, but stories like this go back to at least the heyday of Sega.
>>570726383>This is just an Inti thing.lollmao
>>570726383>No one wants the job of tardwranglerImagine my shock.
>>570725427>>570723795Unofficially, GV2 was called ガンヴォルト惨 "Gunvolt: The Tragedy" by INTI and fans. Also, according to the BMZ artbook, one of the major reasons that BMZ was so upbeat and happy was a backlash to GV2, which had caused INTI to develop a harmful reputation (風評被害) for miserable stories. But apparently GX is supposed to be back to being super sad as its made Lumen's VA cry and Lola's VA had difficulty holding it in. It hopefully won't be as nihilistic or desolate as GV2's ending. More along the lines of MMZ4 sad, but with decent writing and buildup.
>>570725427Seems like if they actually want things to continue (doubt it, but what else do they have and they could try and cash in on the dropped plot points with something more substantial than a throwaway DLC) they need to put him in a consultant position at most, he's a really bad director.
>>570726724It's less that and more that being CEO means you can no longer be hands on in the game dev process, basically they have no employee with a CEO profile, not even for a small meme company so it boils down to guy that takes one for the team.
>>570727372Forgot to add but amusingly enough in a way nobody wanting CEO is what caused GX to be a thing, as Aizu making the trailers is him trying to at least preserve some minor connection to the game making process and we all know why CiX was made which then leads to GX.
>>570704646Post her french voice
>>570726845That's just your edgelord confirmation bias not realizing that the tears could be for good reasons
>>570726845I legitimately believe that GX will end with Gunvolt getting Persona 3 Erebus'd
>>570728297On one hand considering the VAs are probably used to the edgy shit by now it could very well be something different, on the other having hope hasn't really paid out well in this front for the franchise in a very good while.
>>570727089In modern INTI, yes. In old INTI, where the director had less power, he was okay. A lot of the charm of Gunvolt came from Tai and Tsuda constantly butting heads and compromising. Tsuda throws out the character concepts, and Tai makes them into something usable. Though if I had to pick one over the other, I'd take Tai. His ideas usually produce a coherent setting and story you can take seriously, and he seems more self-aware. You don't get stuff like the president of the US is an evil 5-year-old supergenius, whose personality beneath the venerable politician everyone sees him as is Dr. Weil crossed with Stalin. That sounds cool, but in a somewhat dramatic and tragic story, it's just going to make people laugh. Without Tsuda's supervision, Tai portrays the GV characters as believable and huggable in the audio dramas instead of slick and cool.
Question: what will this thread do if GX's ending has GV, Copen, Nova, Zonda, Kirin and Zed casually having fruit slushies in the city together with no depressing ramifications or implications
>>570729118Wait warmly for VUP2, because clearly we are in an alternate dimension where anything can happen.
>>570729118For me it depends, is Cyan or Mytyl there as well?
>>570728474But unlike Makoto, he may still have some ray of hope like Djinn's Wish, Kirin, or whatever Joule and the people back home are doing. Like wouldn't it be cool if we get an open ending of Joule, Nova, and Zonda discussing plans to rescue GV? A cooperation ending with Tsuda running things is a long shot, even if that is how Choujin Locke typically ends. He likes cool things too much, and people getting along to rescue Electric Jesus isn't cool. More likely would be that everyone wants to rescue GV, and they kill each other over the best plan to do so.Any case, I am confident that INTI will leave some outs in case they ever want to do more Gunvolt games.
>>570729701And Lola in physical form because of the pendant, yes
>>570730107Would only wonder how the hell did the timeline shift into the wallpaper one.
How has things been going over here?
>>570729118Get slapped awake from that dream.
>>570729118>slushiesAsk them how they went back in time to the 90s.
>>570729118>>570729996I don't see GX having a wholesome sad ending where the kids are all frenemies, even if GV saves all of them with a sacrifice. They'll like GV, but they won't like each other. Like in my attached image, GV hints that his Copen and him are still antagonistic. The tragedy is that nothing seems like it can bridge the divide between these characters, despite their similarities that many of them seem like they could easily tilt either way on the moral spectrum. GV, Nova, Zed, Copen, and Kirin have all shown that they can develop into villains, douchebag antiheroes, or actual heroes if inspired properly (in GV's case, more that the writers stating Quinn was the only reason he didn't turn into another Nova or Zonda). Most of the characters seem like they could easily tilt one way or the other on the moral spectrum, hence why so many of them have many good traits in addition to the bad ones, or are doing bad with good motivations.
>>570727892there's no French dub of the game, the text aren't voiced like in the Japanese or English version. Only the animated cutscenes are voiced (and in english...).that's why I said the French localization had no budget... Seems like it's a miracle the english version had one
>>570729118Laugh at the wannabe edgelords crying over it
So just dragon radiation again and not time creatures? Wonder how they're going to explain the lack of dialog with the Dragons as B.B.'s voice actor is no longer around. Recast him? And man, it would suck if it's the Dragons are the groupies again, and it's a rehash of GV3 up until the end levels. Additionally, Luxia and ZED should immediately be able to tell something is fucked up if they're in a time loop as Luxia has limited time-dimension manipulation powers.
>>570733983I think they already showed the boss once and it didn't have dialogue because of the time prison so I don't think there's any base cast beyond the 4 we see here, which will probably translate into kind of boring "I remember when x or y happened" type of conversations between these canonically old as hell characters, except Lumen which is the only one that isn't at least several decades old by now.
>>570592993He doesn't talk to them like they're fakes. He shouts at the Merak illusion about how sure GV's done some bad stuff, but it doesn't excuse Merak, and he still got what he deserved. He's right, though maybe INTI surprises us if they decide to whiplash us by showing Merak developing into a decent human after maturing. Any case, GV doesn't have much sympathy for anyone outside of Nova or the non-G7 members of Eden. He would probably kill them again if given the chance. Yes, even the cute one.INTI is so bad at this. I am so confused whether they want us to treat these characters as evil monsters who we should feel good about killing or mixed about putting down. Maybe it's a Tai vs Tsuda thing as this thread implies. 90% of Tai's villains in iX so far have been people we should feel for, and the characters state so in text. Tsuda, on the other hand, says we should feel cool and happy about killing villains.
>>570735268>"I remember when x or y happened" type of conversations between these canonically old as hell charactersNot even that, because Copen is suffering from amnesia. Kohaku's name comes up. >Yeah, she sounds familiar, but I can't put my finger on it. Hexaphyles. >Never heard of them, are they common where I'm from?They will need to add some people, or it will be a very boring and unbalanced cast. All they will talk about is just tactics and missions when they aren't just grunting like cavemen at each other.
>>570732506Slushies are eternal, fuck you
>>570736148>implying they won't have him randomly remembering inconsequential stuff in base convs so they can self-reference.
>>570729118That sounds like the secret joke ending involving Magical Mytyl.
>>570736567The joke ending still assumes the events of GV2 happened as normal, so those people are all dead.
>>570736851It's a joke ending, anon. Anything could have happened.
>>570736851I would still assume time bullshit at play because Copen is helping them. Magical Mytyl would be a depressing setting if it followed off of GV2. Anyway, good chance we see a continuation of it in GX that will clarify make more confusing what's happening in that AU.
>>570737223>Copen is helping themI've seen the secret ending. He neither appears nor is alluded to. You can just as easily say he renounced his family name like in the normal ending.
>>570737583Xiao and Mytyl have Copen tech. Chances are, it happens before the events of GV2 as Copen is lending Lola to Mytyl, probably to keep her safe. That wouldn't happen post GV2 after they have bonded.
>>570738153Maybe Mytyl is just stealing from Copen's lab. The Lola stick could be a manifestation of her armed phenomenon. Maybe Copen decided to come back to her and help her after the events of GV2.
>>570738153>Copen techXiao has his own connections with QUILL where he sources all of his stuff from. That's why he's your item dealer in-game. More importantly, the "Mytyl" in the secret ending is clearly the Joule-Mytyl fusion, which likely places it after The Garden.
>>570739123I'm saying that the Roros are literally Copen's stuff. Placing it post GV2 makes for a much less interesting setting, but whatever. INTI's decided that the cast of GV1 and GV2 are beyond redemption, unlike ZED, Serpentine, Apollo, or Copen and Gunvolt, so they need to die for the happy timeline.
>>570739602I think the Lola staff is probably just a cute little reference to >>570663503
>>570739791I would say that if not for the mini-Roro balls Xiao is carrying around.
>>570739989He's ordering those through his connections. Xiao is the supply guy in GV2.
>>570740124>equipment produced by others just happens to look exactly like Copen's signature tech/mascotI find that coincidence hard to believe in a drawn medium like anime.
>>570736567>mini Lolas
>>570705029Lola is fishing on a Yach? Damn! All Yoshiko has to fish crabs is a rusty bucket from Russia with barely space for something besides the cages. Maybe that's why she has lost so many genmates to the waves.
>>570736567Who do you think Lola prefers working with, Copen or Mytyl?
>>570740369Clearly he just had Nori steal them for him.
>>570739602>ZED, Serpentine, Apollo,Crimes aren't anywhere near as bad. Maybe the GV1 characters get redeemed, except Merak, but not GV2.>Copen and GunvoltWhat did they do that was so bad?Everyone makes hay over this but Gunvolt is clear cut morally. The bad guys are Sigma and Weil tier evil. As much as they say they are doing it for good reasons, they behave sadistically without a shred of decency or regret. The good guys resist them and they're all the bestest boys. Go and listen to any Joule and GV conversation and they are painfully good people. Of course they feel happy killing these monsters because why wouldn't you? Maybe it's a bit edgy making the badguys all 10-14 year olds instead of robots, but that's anime for you. Go watch Narutard, where all of Orochimaru's groomed/brainwashed orphan child soldiers die painfully, and the anime and characters are joyous about it, but Orochimaru himself gets redeemed by them. I just add +4-8 years to everyone on the cast. It makes a lot more sense then.
>>570741078Copen...but she would 100% be the pervert talking staff getting Mytyl into ecchi situations. Probably because she knows that the only two career routes for a magical girl are ecchi comedies or edgy decontructions.
>>570741078She was originally a chatbot for Mytyl and Copen's not giving her the time of day for anything that doesn't involve turning adepts into red mist so she probably appreciates Mytyl more in the end.
These morality discussions really do remind of when /a/ gets a bad LN adaption. It's all INTI's fault for marketing the games towards kids and then having the stories and CDs for older teens and adults.>>570742434>Go watch Narutard
>>570741078>Pre-Zonda'dMytyl>Post-Zonda'dCopen
>>570742874What kids even played action platformers in 2014-2016? Is Tsuda insane?
>Big brother, I'd like to introduce you to my friend!>It's a pleasure to meet you. Mytyl has told me so much about you.
>>570740880>coping that Lola's out crabfishing instead of Yoshiko like he shitposted
>>570743395I think they gave up on the kid market. Neither iX nor GV3 were really targeted towards them.>but isn't GV3 more kid friendlyYes, but ironically, adults tend to find some of the kid friendly stuff to be charming, while going too hard on the edgy and shock value stuff would be offputting to them. They also like more character driven narratives. Tai says as much in the creator notes for the creator notes on writing romances in Gunvolt, which is why the drama CDs have less action and barely any killing, and more characters interacting and philosophizing.
>>570742497Now I'm just imagining Lola giving Mytyl an "accidental" wardrobe malfunction where all the white fabric from Lola's outfit mysteriously went missing when Mytyl transforms
>>570744751iX Lola has perverted producer type of outbursts so maybe with the right environment mainline one does too.
How degenerate would Lola get if she got a fully functional physical body?
>>570743587It's hilarious to me that this is how Copen sees Zonda. The other antagonists are depicted normally in the perspective of the other characters when they meet them for the first time, and then you have Zonda doing The Omen impression from Copen's PoV. It really does make her look like the most demonic and otherworldly of the three baddies. Then you read EP, and she's going to Teseo for life advice, or making her disguises to annoy Tenjian.
>>570743772>Coping that Roro is doing so well that she's got a yatch while Yoshiko is braving the waves on a steel coffin.
>>570745715>coping so badly about Lola being the one actually fishing that he thinks Lola's doing well >coping over her and Inti literally begging for the rat money from the yacht
>>570735268One of the strange things in the last stream was that Tsuda stopped the GX playthrough right before they got to B.B. (he said that they'd covered enough). https://youtu.be/EKVInGMUI0I?t=1831They weren't behind time or anything. The person playing was actually going at a decent pace for showing off. Either they were still tweaking the boss or there were some spoilers they didn't want to reveal. I can't think of any other reason why they wouldn't want to finish the stage like they did on the past two playthroughs.
>>570746161So how that new Love Live game comming along?
>>570747229I don't think he's hiding anything story related, they showed the dialogue in the Bitsummit demo and I doubt it was a placeholder since it has VA iirc, they're probably still debating whether to use regular or hard variant of bosses.
>>570749165> Bitsummit demo and I doubt it was a placeholder since it has VA iirc,It didn't have VA at Bitsummit, so it could have been a placeholder. https://youtu.be/_nGXKrZaamM?t=1154https://youtu.be/h-eVp4q-vAg?t=817Highly unlikely to be placeholder dialog, though I wouldn't put it past Tsuda seeing what he did in his attempt to hide surprises like Zonda and Luxia.>debating whether to use regular or hard variant of bosses.They're probably going with hard. Being able to swap between Copen and GV would be OP against normal bosses, and Tai said in the Dengeki stream that they want GX to be harder than GV3 and ATEMS.
>>570751138>they want it to be harder than GV3 or ATEMSI'm asssuming they mean regular game and not including Merciless/Trial mode/DLC because otherwise how are they beating the clusterfuck that are the 3 Azure Striker superbosses.
>>570745695And for extra irony, the love from Zonda + Joule in the shards are the reason that one Lola developed feelings for Copen and the other did not. Course, everyone knows it's going to be more from Zonda because of iX2.
I want to outlove Zonda, how fucked would I be in private
>>570754237I don't think that we ever seen an adept die of natural causes.
>>570747375Don't know but it's not changing that Lola's begging a rat for money for new games so she has to actually work on a boat.
>>570752975RoRo の抱く感情が「ラブ」なのかどうかと問われれば、恐らく違うとは思うので、「ほんのり」ではありますが。もしかしたら、取り込んだミラーピースの愛的な成分?や、そこに宿ったシアンの残留思念が彼女に何かしらの影響を与えたのかもしれません。>If asked whether the feelings RoRo harbors truly constitute "love," I would likely say no—so perhaps "a faint trace" is a more accurate description.>It is possible that the love within the Mirror Pieces she absorbed—or perhaps the residual thoughts of Cyan that lingered within—may have exerted some kind of influence upon her.I don't see anyway it could be Zonda. It had to be Joule's memories of Gunvolt that drove Lola wildly in love with Copen. Only Joule's love could burn so bright. Clockword Daydream was way more Joule than Zonda in love.
>>570757739I don't see an adept dying of natural causes having anything to do with my question, I'm just talking about outloving Zonda
>>570757970Pantera, Mytyl, and Cyan share a lot of similarities, anon. And she doesn't act like Cyan at all in Clockwork, she acts like Roro. Though I guess with the creator's notes, it's easy to see Pantera influencing her. As an aside, bet not may of you know this, but she uses the alias Lola in CD for her adept (human) form. I'll call adept Roro Lola from here on.For instance, there's a part where Acura goes on a rant about how people could still be sympathetic to adepts and let the walk around unmolested after Eden attacked Japan, and Lola's reaction is to say "aahh, you're one of *those* people," confusing Acura since they were vibing up to that point. -----------Lola:>あー、アキュラくんってそういう人?*Oh*, so that's the kind of person Acura is?Acura:>「そういう人」とは…どういう人だ?“That type of”...? What “type”?Lola:>ううん、なんでも!それより、次行っこか!Nah, it's nothing! Anyway, let's go somewhere else!Then there's Lola saying "Praise me! Praise me! Praise me more!" which is pretty (fake) Zonda, or maybe it's just regular Roro. -----------Lola:>うふふ!褒めて!褒めて!もっと褒めて!Huh, heh, heh! Praise me! Praise me! Praise me more!Acura:>なぜ君が嬉しいそうなんだ?Why do you look so happy?-----------There are a few other sections where she has some Zonda outbursts, especially when her heart started going doki-doki. Ironically, Copen ended up really liking her when he hated every other girl he hung out with.-----------Acura:>に君と話していると何故だかほっとするFor some reason, I feel at ease when I talk to you.Lola:>本当に…ぼくたち…相性いいのかも…ねえ…すーWe really... might be a great match... you know... *Zzzzzz*----------And they fall asleep next to each other. Copen was muttering her fake name in his sleep when she woke up before him. It's probably the most romantic drama CD of the entire collection, and it's all based, ironically, on what Tai said were feelings inherited from the mirror pieces, not from her.
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>>570759675>scenario writer says it's "love" within mirror pieces used to capture Cyan and and Cyan's lingering thoughts in them that probably influenced her>RoRo's diva hair color is taken from ProtoCyan>"it must be Pantera!"Anon I know you like your Pantera headcanons but come on now...
>>570760595My Zonda headcanon is that the moment she got a taste of cock it would rewire her entire brain into doki doki mode
>>570760595Two statements:もしかしたら、取り込んだミラーピースの愛的な成分?Perhaps it was the "loving" essence of the absorbed Mirror Piece?や、そこに宿ったシアンの残留思念が彼女に何かしらの影響を与えたのかもしれません。Or maybe the residual thoughts of Cyan, dwelling within it, had some sort of influence on her.Translatorfag smashed them together into one sentence, making it sound like a clarification, when it wasn't. It's saying it could be A or B; not A, but more exactly B.
>>570758078Anyone would outlove her just on grounds of not croaking early.
>>570759675>Pantera influencing her. Would also explain why Tai had the first person she meets as the sun rises after becoming human be a little sister probably around the same age as Zonda (she says she's younger than Lola, who looks ~14, and sounds around 10-12). What's more, her brother and her are foster siblings. She meets both of them one last time as the sun sets. It's very symbolic.
>>570759675>>570761710Joule and GV are adoptive siblings as well. Zonda can't love. It's why GV says that her paradise is filled with false love and that she can only see others as tools.Asimov is more capable of love than Zonda is through his relationship with Moniqa and GV. It's actually sad, because I think she does want to love and feel love, but she's such a warped sociopath that she can only dream of it like a fish can think about land.
>>570761710That part is purpose-made to make Copen look even more like an irredeemable asshole in his exchange with Tenjian.
>>570762081>Joule and GV are adoptive siblings as well.GV might think that, but Joule certainly doesn't.>>570761710>She meets both of them one last time as the sun setsNot just as the sun sets, but one of the last things she does before she turns back into a robot. >>570762113I like the little girl's comment to Copen before they say their goodbyes. It's one of those lines that really encapsulates the main series:Girl:>おにいさんも…迷子なんですか?Are you also… a lost child, Mister?
>>570726845>Also, according to the BMZ artbook, one of the major reasons that BMZ was so upbeat and happy was a backlash to GV2The chad Jason vs the virgin gunvolt
>>570762729>>570759675Man, the drama CDs have great character writing, yet we get the characters at their most autistic, inhuman, basic, and unlikable in the games. And all the eccentric, likable characters die after three lines of dialog.
>>570761619I want to protect Zonda enough that the only danger she has to worry about is injuring herself riding on my supercock
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>>570763558It's because the drama CDs are human. They're not afraid to be emotional or philosophical, or let their characters be uncool. Characters will expose themselves, be uncertain or powerless, or behave immaturely. Nova for instances does not act all powerful in the drama CDs; he has authority figures bossing him around, he gets nightmares, he cries for parents and resents GV for "taking" them, etc. In drama CDs, characters can have some romance, comedy, emotional vulnerability, etc. You would NEVER have the line>Are you … a lost child too, Mister?in a Gunvolt game. The games are cold, because they got to be cool. They are (were) for kids. That's why they feel slick and edgy. The characters can't be nuanced or human, because they wouldn't be cool. You should read some of the creator's notes, because Tai says as much in some of them.
>>570764290I got bbs inputs working. fakefocus didn't help but special k did with nice doxxing riskI also would prefer z2.2 earlier rather than later because it helps me spot things to clean upindifferent to majo's mask
>>570760595>>570757970Mother has more audiovisual and thematic similarities with Zonda than she does with Joule
>>570763602Doubt the supercock would be merciful.
>>570763602Do you think her death was disappointing, or do you think the emptiness from how little fanfare there was and how little the characters reacted the point? If you think about, she was a bigger deal than Nova was. She shows up in the first game, in spin-off games, and from the prologue of GV2 all the way to the end, whereas Nova doesn't meet GV until very near the end of his game. But Nova left a larger mental impact than she did on GV, changing his core ideals, and he had an actual defeat monologue.
>>570762113He doesn't see them as humans but rats or roaches, and he just wants to hurt them, especially after they took Mytyl. His reaction to Eden sob stories are pretty much "good, I wish I were there" and he's wanted to kill Zonda slowly as retribution.
>>570767108I don't remember if he says he will torture Zonda like some anons say, but I do remember him saying he will find and kill her to fake Tenjian to rile him up when he talks about how they're both brothers with sisters.
>>570767108Sounds kino.>we'll never get to see the Lost Children equivalent of Copen's character arcKuso Creates. Hacks and frauds.
>>570764861>Tai's schizo episodeThe lore of that game is a complete fever dream so excuse me if I don't use it to reference much.
>>570767665The plot will likely be disregarded going forward as a fever dream episode, but it shows intent, and can be used as evidence when combined with the other shit he's said and done.
>>570767908I don't care. Everything in that game should be disregarded. It makes more sense for Roro to love Acura because of Cyan, not a monster like Zonda. Not using her Japanese name because she doesn't deserve it.
>>570757849So that means that's Yoshiko is stuck in the boat while Roro has better things to do. Sucks being a Bamco IP.
>>570767908I guess by the same logic we can use it to show that Copen was always intended to be Blaster Master character.
>>570767515Well, at least we might get the Sentinel arc in the next iX game. Or if things go out the Rick citadel but with Copens.
>>570767665This.People are being exceptionally rough on Tsuda in these threads for some of his silly ideas, but they also tend to overlook that this entire franchise is HIS brainchild with most of the world building and lore being made by Tsuda, with Tai being more akin to an editor than an actual writer.We've seen how Tai handles a project when he's the one in charge, and he couldn't even go TWO games before being relieved of command for not only going completely off the rails, but also fundamentally ruining the playable character.I'll take Tsuda any day.
>>570768029You can't hog all the boys Joule. Besides, that's really weird considering Joule is possibly Mytyl's clone (they have the same voice and facial features), and it's verging on the edge of NTR. It's much cleaner to say Zonda's pieces longed for Copen than it is to see Joule's memories of Gunvolt, who is a very different person from Copen, influenced Lola into falling in love with Copen.
you know who else was a brain-child
>>570768347I like Tsuda, but he's a bad director and needs to be on a leash. I like Tai, but he needs to be leashed too. Tai excels when doing character writing (see all the CDs). I don't know why they put him on iX, where he'd be the absolute weakest.
>>570768029>Not using her Japanese name because she doesn't deserve itBased grudgeGOD
>>570766774Disappointing even without my "she should've lived" bias, if they were going to give her a final boss based on Elpizo's design she should've gotten the same kind of ending where she tries to make peace with everything before fading awayEspecially considering her ideals were right; it was only really her methods that were wrong, and albeit it was pushed after the fact submitting to a more violent plan was Tenjian's idea anyways
>>570765325I feel like if she really paced herself she would be able to manage it and enjoy it, but she'd really hurt herself if she wasn't carefulAlso I kek'd
>>570768631I don't know if Copen or GV had let her have a peaceful death like Zero with Elpiss, to be honest. They both canonically coup-de-grace downed or disabled opponents like Gibril with big anime attacks to maximize kudos. And GV was trained by Asimov, who has a special attacks for disabling and killing Kirin if she's at low health.
>>570765325At least it wasn't the supercock from Yu-Gi-Oh.
>>570769025Also unlike Zero, neither Copen or Gunvolt are diciplined, hell at that point they don't have self control.
>>570768563You say this but characters are extremely weak in both iX games even on base conversations where he arguably has Drama CD length if considering all of them to try and do something, yet he does nothing and uses the plot to meander or do schizo bullshit. He hasn't written anything all that substantial since the GV2 drama CDs which was so long ago I'm inclined to think his writing skills have degraded to a point where I'm not sure he can do it competently anymore.
>>570769025Gunvolt did it with Asimov, and he let Nova talk a bit. They might be too exhausted after the battle. Also, GV won't miss the chance to trash talk his enemy as they die.
>>570769178>You say this but characters are extremely weak in both iX games even on base conversations where he arguably has Drama CD length if considering all of them to try and do something,I think it's because he's been told to make Copen cool, and he's forbidden to do romance/romantic teasing. When you make a character cool 100% of the time, you end up with a wooden character. See >>570764349iX is still more likable than GV1 and GV2 Copen/GV, even if he's less interesting.
>>570749165So glad BuzzLiteyears stopped trying to draw other body types.
>>570769178iX shows that the hurdles and demand for a relationship now stand on the female gender in an adept society. And that's about that. Oh and that Roro can do just fine as a V tuber.
>>570769504>iX is still more likable than GV1 and GV2 Copen/GV even if he's less interestingNo he isn't, at least not in home convs where he is wooden as hell for no reason. I don't understand what you're on about making excuses with that "he's forced to make them cool" nonsense when it blatantly doesn't apply for conversations in the base which are filled with silly things in all games.
>>570769873I don't remember GV's conversations being silly. They were really boring. Everyone else had better conversations.
>>570768152Nah, it means that Yoshiko's actually doing other and better things while we have actual confirmation that Lola got dragged onto a boat. For pennies even.
>>570769873He's more likable because he's not that much of an antihero. The original characters were big on being antiheroes. It made the interesting, but it also made them unlikable at times. It was hard to like them when they were enjoying the suffering/death of a character who you read the backstory of and got attached to in a drama CD sometimes, even though you could understand why they'd feel that way. But as Tai/Tsuda says, that's the danger of a one-sided perspective.
>>570769504It's pretty easy for iX to be "more likable" when he's hardly a character to begin with.The truth is the only ones who finds iX Copen likeable are people who never liked Copen to begin with.
>>570769025Nah I get where you're coming from, I just feel that Zonda should've had a chance to at least do something instead of just fading awayAnd if they really wanted to be fucked up with it like a lot of this thread claims was the intent, they should've had Reverie Zonda be another illusion while the real one is completely helpless in a direct conflict, go for a full reversal of GV1's bad ending where you just oneshot her real body after the Reverie boss; at least that way there would've been an actual impact instead of immediately pretending that she didn't exist
>>570770392> it means that Yoshiko's actually doing other and better things Like fishing crabs in Alaska
>>570770873Nah, that's Lola's case.
>>570770392That's a lot of salt and cope.
For anybody here who owns Kirby Air Riders check out MHG6PVLX
>>570771168Sure is. Imagine finding out that the Yoshiko shitpost was actually referring about RoRo.
GV's most common lines are variations of>there can be no forgiveness>there is no justification>I will show no mercy for ______but doesn't that make him a little bit of a hypocrite, as he's saying to people he will end up mimicking in some way or who are mimicking him?
>>570770058There's multiple instances of Joule being silly, GV less so because he's the one with actual everyday knowledge so he isn't failing at making cup ramen or not knowing basic measurements, but for what it's worth he tryhards trying to be cool to the point of considering to drop his charge pose if Joule thinks it's lame and considers his glasses to be a Clark Kent disguise of sorts, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say about iX who is so wooden and boring beyond belief that his own VA noted how nice it was to be able to emote for a change in the franchise when he got to do the TE voices.
>>570770464Why are evil girls the ones with the best ass game in Gunvolt?
>>570772271
>>570771448So there's a new Love Live videogame on it's way then?
>>570772438>>570757849
>>570772804Is that a yes?
>>570771509Tai is an awful writer for what Gunvolt is about. He doesn't want to write Shonen, he wants to write CGDCT and it shows.He should just stick with Galgun.
>>570773250He was doing fine before iX doing slice of life at base convs outside of maybe GV's story in GV2 where creative differences with Tsuda and a bad compromise forced a shit setup. He also notably fell off even when not under this perceived GV constraint as GG2 is considerably more boring in its character interactions than Double Peace so I still stand by the idea that he simply got worse, which is something that happens sometimes.
>>570773996Odds are he was always just shit and it was actually Masanori Ito who made Galgun what it was. This is the same guy that, instead of actually exploring the circumstances around his AU or Copen, wastes two Drama CDs on asinine idolshit. And he hasn't stopped since, now going so far as to insert Roro into Galgun. He literally can't stop himself.I'll be happy if he's never allowed to touch the IP again.
https://x.com/seganewsnavi/status/2066735046875373866new gregar beast out figurenone for bird. dog won
>>570773250>CGDCTKinda, kinda not. The CGDCT was most prominent during GV2, whereas a lot of GV1's dramas were as dark if not darker than the main game, like Justice Rage and Lazy Kingdom. Ironically, the CGDCT actually made GV2 feel even more grim, because it humanized the characters and added a lot of contrast. It made the depressing stuff hit a lot harder. And even in the dramas, there were a lot of hints of feels.It's like how EP is funny and makes Eden, especially Zonda and Gibril, cute, but there's a sense of foreboding hanging over the entire thing and darkness at the edge, with characters talking about mass killings, their traumas, or vengeance. The entire setup is also depressing, and it ends on a somber, resigned note, with Zonda departing, because we all know how this is going to end. The contrast between the two halves is extremely effective. They don't do it as well in the games.Clockwork Daydream is also cute, but again, there's a sense of melancholy and loss hanging over the drama. Copen finds his one, but loses her at the end of the day. There's also references to the wider world, which is as screwed up as ever, decaying state of Japan and its nonfunctional government (CD is actually one of the few times they talk about how Sumeragi controls the Diet in GV), and racism towards adepts (and not just from Copen). The foster siblings are probably an allusion towards Zonda and Tenjian as well, especially as Copen takes an almost opposite stance towards them.
>>570775354And GV3 doesn't have any CGDCT in the main game or its single drama. I guess if you want to count Mirage Party which is almost pure CGDCT fan service, but that falls under Cychronicles, but it still has hints of wider intrigues.
>>570774732bird just keeps losing
>>570764635Z2.2 and megger W followed by BBS then?
After many years of procrastination I decided to resume my playthrough of the classic series, which I never liked all that much compared to the games where I can dash.Jesus Christ this thing is held together by duct tape and the hopes and dreams of the devs
>>570773250The modern shonen audience isn't hardcore enough to have spiteful heroes who enjoy killing pitiful villains. They don't like it when Mr Hero pontificates about the vileness of his foe and then proceeds to swear he's going to track down the enemy's loved ones and kill them slowly, or cleave a dozen crying lolis in half who were forced into killing thousands by boo-hoo circumstance and then says "I hope they suffered, and they're burning in hell," and then goes home as the world is on fire.Even Gundam has to have the hero feeling bad as he murders kids. Kids didn't like Mika being a cold mofo who saw killing the goofy Gallajorn pilots the same as swatting bugs in Gundam, enough where they toned it down the spin-off series with the hero who barely kills others.It takes somebody like Togashi to pull this off without pissing off the audience, and he portrayed it as very bad and destructive instead of cool.There's a reason why Gunvolt is ridiculed in the Japanese fandom as a fail hero.
>>570774732Somehow I just know that Kirin is to blame for this.
>>570776681whomst hosting Weggers
>>570777134>There's a reason why Gunvolt is ridiculed in the Japanese fandom as a fail heroWe ridicule him too. All Gunvolt needed was the "I don't remember calling myself a hero" line from Zero and we'd be golden instead of the literal degradation ceremony he went through in GV3 where he had to hug and make up with everyone.
>>570777134>The modern shonen audience...Depends on the tone of the series. If it's a tongue-in-cheek cringe edgeschlock for the sake of tits, gore, and shock, like Fukushū o Koinegau or DeadTube, then it's okay (those mangas are pure shit by the way, avoid). If they want me to feel for characters, then it becomes an issue. It's one of the reasons why Future Diary is so silly, because the edge gets in the way of the drama.
>>570777493That's mostly an English translation issue. In the JP script, he isn't as remorseful, and he's kind of proud about killing people like Merak and Zonda.
>>570777134>Gunvolt has the ocassional good writing that his inner child still loves Asimov and regrets killing him knowing full well he was atrocious, which is extremely realistic>thread response is always nnnnooooooooooooo but what about muh genocidal loli tho!!Funniest shit I've seen in these threads. It has nothing to do with modern audiences, only waifufags who can't get over it.
>>570778189They can't get over the fact that GV is a bit spiteful and likes hurting his enemies, even ones who look like Zonda. GV has no sympathy for others circumstances. He had none for Elise or Stratos, what makes people think he'll have any for Zonda just because she looks cute? He considers her an adult. That's why so many people were willing to believe that GV would kill those 5-year-olds without a thought because mercy is hesitation is weakness.
>>570777592>Zonda>It made the interesting, but it also made them unlikable at times. It was hard to like them when they were enjoying the suffering/death of a character who you read the backstory of and got attached to in a drama CD sometimes, even though you could understand why they'd feel that way.That's what I'm talking about. She's moè in her side story, but GV is all "I only wished I made her death more painful for what she did to Joule." I try to understand his perspective sometime, but dude, she's like 3/4 your size and age. I can get killing her as a tragic necessity. I don't get why he blames and her for everything and hates her so much when Tenjian is the leader of Eden and told him he raised her, similar to how he was raised by Asimov, and how they saw countless abuses and betrayals at the hands of nonadepts. Even the level description says she's not a bad person, just misguided. It makes it easy to dislike him, especially when he keeps shouting about how he righteous he is. Okay, he never says he's a hero, but he does judge his enemies all the time using heroic speech like he's Michael come down from heaven to deliver God's wrath.
>>570778454>5-year-olds without a thought because mercy is hesitation is weakness.No he wouldnt, because they were noncombatants.
>>570778454>That's why so many people were willing to believe that GV would kill those 5-year-olds without a thought because mercy is hesitation is weaknessProbably not. If some 5 year old mastermind wronged him or - god forbid - Joule, then sure. But he wouldn't just systematically kill them one by one. That's a Copen move.
>>570778852>Give me back Joule!>hmm... NyoAnd then her fate was sealed.
>>570777493That boat sailed with GV3. Now nobody will look at him as something else besides the butter dog of a glowie.
>>570779032>>570778947He might if they were enemy noncombatants, and he was angry enough. Asimov didn't consider it an extraordinary order to tell him to murder Joule. The only reason he didn't was because she reminded him of his time at SFIT, and he got a case of she's-just-like-me.
>>570779158Definitely stop her, with lethal force if necessary, but getting revenge on a loli and then feeling good or proud about is pathetic for a shōnen hero unless you're going for a subversion (which GV is not). You guys say the Tai doesn't know how to write shōnen, but Tsuda seems to be as out of touch as he is.
>>570777134>enough where they toned it down the spin-off series with the hero who barely kills others.There was an IBO spinoff?
>>570777353why of course it's (You)want me to take over
>>570779791Yeah, it's a little bit of a perspective swap since the hero is the manager of a colony (inherited from dead parents), and his waifu was the sister of one of the antagonists in the other series. The hero avoids killing if possible. It was supposed to have a good story, but Sunrise butchered the adaption by not giving it anywhere near enough runtime.
>>570780120sure I can't into classic anyway
I miss Levposting
>>570779708What? That's peak shonen, the ultimate power fantasy for a teenage demographic. The very age where you love to imagine that (You) are secretly a badass who, when pushed too far or wronged in any way, is forced to unleash your inner demon but i always admired for doing so. Are you sure you're not confusing it for Seinen?To his defense, he's also just a 14 year old boy with a childhood that consists of being a lab rat and child soldier, and the little evil girl just took away HIS little girl. So she had it coming.
>>570780783Levfriend found a new lev in Zonda.
>>570780835>To his defense, he's also just a 14 year old boy with a childhood that consists of being a lab rat and child soldier, and the little evil girl just took away HIS little girl. So she had it coming.It would be so much easier if we were limited to his perspective, but we aren't. We know the major villains in the first two games were as screwed and tragic as he was. You don't even need to go outside the games to get slapped with stuff like >>570517889I wonder how kids would feel if a manga were set up like GV. Each chapter focuses on a villain, and interspersed throughout their acts of villainy, you get flashbacks of their background and portions of stuff like Justice Rage or Eden's Party to explain their motivations and how they need to support their nakama. Then the hero comes for them, says they are beyond redemption, and beats them up. When they're basically finished, the hero lines up a special attack and coup de grâce them in a spectacular manner, saying a cool haiku, and posing dramatically as they fade.
>>570780835Revenge is, but killing lolis typically isn't. I'd like to find a recent manga where that is the case. I'm sure they're out there. The rare times I see a teenager taking on a preteen villainess in a manga, it's treated as a gag. If it is serious, he doesn't actually kill, unless it's seinen. Now if it's a fake loli, they're game.
Is MMZ collection worth it even with the Enigma DRM?
>>570781519>I wonder how kids would feel if a manga were set up like GVYou mean how he'd be Chadvolt with a harem of consisting of all the girls in the series (especially the villain girls) who'd call all his enemies a 'retard cuck' before finishing them off in one hit? That's how it is in the games & OVA.>>570782039I'm sure there is one, Shonen in general has gotten so grimdark. So much of it is just human suffering and rape and death. You can hardly pay attention to the death of one character before the rollercoaster moves onto the next one.
>>570782310If you're playing on PC, why not just use roms? Even if you want to support the series, you could buy them and then just boot up emulators. The only real convenience is the game doing savestates and e-readers for you.
>>570783532ZX has niceties if you hate DS emulators
Gunvolt & Joule forms the emotional core of this series. I just want to see them together and happy.
gunvolt and swordjoule
>>570783010Most shonen I see nowadays typically have grimdark worlds and edgy villains, but the heroes are good people, and a lot of conflict comes from them trying to resist playing by the rules of that world and become edglords themselves. They'll still kill, but the people they do kill are horrible. The heroes do actually fix problems and the endings tend to be more sweet than bitter.From a philosophical angle, I think Gunvolt is actually far edgier in many respects since, unlike many shonen, it states there is no hope of coexistence, that differences cannot be overcome, understanding cannot be reached, and problems cannot be solved. Whenever there is a chance for dialog, the response is to double down with more hatred and violence. There is not a single adept or nonadept who start off hating the other side and learn to love one another. The only resolution is death, and almost everyone does end up dying by the end, no matter their age or appearance. It is extremely bleak.All the likable and vibrant characters' deaths are pointless and hollow as nothing will be resolved. GV never hit Sumeragi's upper management or got revenge against its true monsters in GV1. In GV2, he just attacked the symptom of the true disease and then left once the battle was done. Meanwhile, the Sumeragi executives and genocidal demagogues will continue to prosper.Shonen has a tradition of redemption, to the point of being retarded sometimes. Just look at one of the ur-examples in Vegeta, for instance. Even edgier ones play with this. Gunvolt does not do redemption, despite its main villains being misguided antivillain types who want to do good. They get the door slammed hard on them, with GV telling them that they don't deserve it. Before GV3, there was not one villain who was allowed to cross over, despite some of them doubting their actions or not even being that evil. Again, it's edgier. It's almost seinen level, even if it's packaged as a shonen with shonen tropes.
>>570741078Mytyl is already a muse so giving her another one is kinda redundant I feel.That said, I do think Roro is a bad fit for Copen both in personality and in theme. She's too energetic and her music too flowery and upbeat for one like Copen whose entire being is seething with burning hatred. It doesn't reflect his frame of mind or his character at all. If there ever was a character who should have a 'dark' muse, it should be Copen. Roro can go to someone else.
edgy boys and genki girls is a man's romancealmost on par with earnest boys and tsundere girls
>>570786370inti hasn't gone a genki boy and edgy girl pairing huhgenki dad doesn't count
>>570785258>There is not a single adept or nonadept who start off hating the other side and learn to love one another.If this was like its inspiration, it'd have one of the Eden girls fall for Copen. It had Gibu fall for Gunvolt, but he just killed her, and it was adept on adept, not fem adept on male nonadept like Choujin Locke MotW.
was flamefrit or kingdom's return better
>>570785258Reading all of this makes me realize why INTI seems to dislike GV2 more than any of the games but iX2, even though we all like it.>>570786521Shiroha was the closest they got to an edgy girl, but her character development took her to being wholesome by the end.>>570786370For me, Copen/Lola and Copen/Zonda are both great, though I don't think either will ever happen. Clockwork Daydream had some great interactions between Copen and Lola.
>>570786668I like Kingdom more.
>>570785258>I think Gunvolt is actually far edgier in many respects since, unlike many shonen, it states there is no hope of coexistence, that differences cannot be overcome, understanding cannot be reached, and problems cannot be solvedI disagree, it just never arrived at its logical narrative conclusion since it threw out the whole "can coexistence be achieved?" plot for dragons, mikos, aliens and timelines.In an ideal world we would've gotten a Gunvolt 3 that provides closure to the central conflict, pays off the dramatic questions, and ensures that the audiences' investment feels earned. Sadly, we live in the Wrong End timeline where our writers are frauds.
>>570787801I think GV2 was the logical conclusion. Tsuda said as much. There were a few points in both routes where they tried to reach an understanding, but it was slapped aside. Zonda stated the theme of the game herself with her talk on hiw we can't join hands. The only solution is that you must kill every one on the other side. That is why GV killed every single person at Eden with no regrets, and Copen reacted to Tenjian saying we are not that different as brothers by saying he will find Zonda and kill her. They could have shown a single Eden member crossing over, even a nameless one getting cold feet, but nothing. Everyone doubles down. With the way the first draft of GV3 was going, it would have been more of the same. You know GV would have killed Grazie and missed the point that she was just like him seeking revenge all those years ago. Empathy and understanding are simply impossible.
>>570786370>my personality?>being happy!Genki girls are trash, period. Copen should have a hot-tempered tsundere with a short fuse and equally quick to scowl that he can bicker with and keep him in check. Who, in spite of her own sharp tongue towards him, becomes fiercely protective, angry or upset if anyone disrespects or threatens him. Who cares very deeply for him but just doesn't know how to express it well. That'd be a fun muse dynamic.It's not fair that Gunvolt gets all the good girls. The best girls in fact.
why is megeppy X a better getter than getter G
>>570785630Roro adapted to that dude.
shield young sheldon
>>570794461Should have said Getter Robo Daikessen there, because it's literally the only solo Getter game I know of.
>>570786838>even though we all like it>weSpeak for yourself fag
>>570786838>Shiroha was the closest they got to an edgy girl>What were Witch and Empress from DMFD.
Speak for your Lev fag
>the Marathon general died yesterday
>>570779158Random odd take, for some reason this specific Zonda art makes me think she'd make for a great Disgaea protagonist
>>570813990>Zonda turning prinnies back to old men so she can refill the rape pits And in many ways female adepts do work like monstergirls.
>>570782039The few I can think of are some isekai where they get spank corrected.
>>570785258>GV never hit Sumeragi's upper managementThey can't really enforce their will without strong adepts carrying it out for them. In that respect, he really crippled Sumeragi, which is why they spend GV2 getting bullied. The death of Nova and failure of Project Diva was a huge blow that almost sent them into financial ruin and cost them a ton of credibility.
>>570817379One of the theories about Xiao was him being a Sumeragi agent because he has GV bail them out for free multiple times during the duration of GV2 ending with the complete elimination of the one faction that could realistically oppose them.
>>570817969Now that I think about it this would also fit with the Witch of Millennium references as Locke is approached by a Federation officer while he's pretty much living on retirement just like GV is doing with Quinn when Xiao asks for his help.
>I want to fuck you but also kill you!She and Gib are so retarded. They have powers that can paralyze or disable a person and make them easy to rape, but choose to have a death battle instead.
Can't believe INTI managed to make a bitch colder than Alia.
>>570817379They can enforce their will, it's just more difficult. The main issue is that Eden got their arming tech. This is one of the things that the lore is a little messy on, because there are some things like Jota's background that states normie militaries stood no chance against adepts, but then GV2 states that most adepts have weaksauce powers and shows many more cases of adepts, even strong ones, being oppressed by normies. The entire premise of the game is based upon the normies abilities to defeat or oppress adepts with numbers:膨大な力を持つものの、数では能力を持たない人々に劣る第七波動能力者たちが、国家の枠を超えて集結した多国籍能力者連合。構成員の多くは、かつて無能力者たちによって虐げられてきた者たちである。>Despite having huge power, Adepts are at a numerical disadvantage compared to Non-Adepts. These people gathered in a Union that transcends national boundaries.>Most members are Adepts who were oppressed by Non-Adepts in the past.Eden's plan exists in the first place because they feel adepts need the muse to overcome the numerical disadvantage.Zonda: 彼女の歌と、皇神(スメラギ)から手に入れた技術があれば、全ての能力者を、さらなる高みへと進化させることが出来るより強き力を得た能力者達が団結すれば、数で勝る旧人類も太刀打ちは出来ないでしょう>Zonda: By employing her songs and the technology obtained from Sumerai, it is possible to evolve all adepts to even greater heights. If these empowered adepts band together, even the numerically superior Old Humans would be unable to contend with them.At the end of the day, GV didn't touch the worst parts of Sumeragi. Nova was actually one of the better Sumeragi officials, even with Project Muse and the fuck-ups, because he wasn't a self-serving asshole and his heart was in the right place (and at the end of the day, he was being bossed around too). GV left the science division mostly untouched to continue their work, and they're one of the most evil institutions in Gunvolt. Sumeragi overall rapidly recovers, the old men behind everything never see justice, and Sumeragi still dominates Japanese government and society decades later.
>>570819432Those are called "adept moments" anon. And they are the 3rd most common cause of death in septimal individuals.
>>570821494>rapidly recoversThanks to the vague timeskip we can't really know if that's the case. Remember how many soldiers and mechs they threw at you just to defend Babel? I imagine it took a few years to recoup all that loss, at least. And Elise personally wiped out much of the science division herself.
>>570821494Asimov wanted Sumeragi with a bloody nose but not fundamentally broken so he could take it over, thanks to what we learn from iX. Poor Gunvolt, you're just an attack dog (heh) for everyone since you can't think good.
>>570822081>Elise wiped out much of the science division herselfDepends on when SFIT was rebuilt after the Takefutsu disaster since stratacombs isn't that place and we see it standing just fine in GV3.
>>570821494>even the numerically superior Old Humans would be unable to contend with themThis will never stop being a source of annoyance to me.Inti really desperately needed to show us, rather than tell us how, HOW ordinary humans are supposed to somehow oppress adepts. Because whenever we SEE adepts on screen, they're capable of fucking humanity over six ways till sunday and there's absolutely nothing the latter can do about it.Even Copen, who's supposed to be so far beyond ordinary humanity that he might as well be considered superhuman himself, can barely put up a fight and even then never EVER stops losing to them in increasingly humiliating ways.
>>570822892Because it's an action series, you see the exceptions to the rule, not the average ones. You never meet "civilian" adepts in game. Either grunts with combat armor or incredibly powerful ones.
>>570823237Michiru was a civilian adept.
>>570823528Who had the power taken out of her before the series starts, yeah. And when it's briefly given back, she's one of the most broken in the setting. Still not "average."
>>570823528The minos oppress her (and Joule) with their dicks after Gunvolt left her behind in GV2's ending.
>>570823882Knowing how her mom was, I think that she was the one who took the first step onto turning the minos man into an endangered species by the time GV3 came.
>>570822892It's because people assume that GV and armed adepts are the norm. When you listen to the drama CDs, strong adepts without arming are more like low level superheroes. Those psychokinetic grunts that appear in iX would be mid-to-strong adepts in the drama CDs. Even the G7 used guns before they got glaive-tech, and their powers were more support abilities to put them into a better position to use that gun for the kill. Viper without arming could be taken down by a few-well trained squads, but they'd suffer casualties. Adepts are still a nightmare for normies to deal with, and they still get that boost to their physical abilities, but they can be overwhelmed
>Halfway through Pride Month>Still doing Golden Week bikinis
>>570823237Even so it is still the central conflict of the games. The driving force of the narrative. We're told that "the numerical superior humans" are somehow winning, but who are our representants? Quinn, who is just completely helpless. Kohaku in iX who's equally so, and Copen, who only loses.The game really needed to dedicate a few CGs and a few lines of dialogue to this if they wanted us to take it serious. Even a single adept with a combat directional skill set would be able to decimate an army.
Kelsinger's should have, taken over to other generals in /vg/ and it's wrong it didn't.
>>570824362This is why we need playable Kohaku in iX3 who's able to subdue enemies with the power of her thighs
>>570736567mythril is a nothing character and she won't be missed
>>570824362>but who are our representants?Chinese mothers beating their children to death and Christian fanatics burning families in their homes.
>>570786668Flamefrit for me.
>>570824362>Even a single adept with a combat directional skill set would be able to decimate an armyNo, they really wouldn't, not on their own. See >>570824143When faced with a trained squad, most adepts who aren't Nova or Gunvolt are gonna fold if the enemies just keep coming. Especially if they don't have the mindset and discipline to be on the battlefield. Even GV had to be trained from birth to be worth anything in a fight. Azure Striker actually isn't speced for combat, but power generation.
>>570824597
>>570825084not what it's called
>>570824853https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ghD8_asCM
Baking the next one. Any news?
>>570822892>>570824362The other prob is that the games take place in Japan, which is explicitly stated to be exceptional compared to the rest of the planet. You don't see open season on adepts from nonadepts in Japan like you do in China or Europe, for instance.
That show hasn't been relevant in decades just like Mega Man
>>570825332Mega Man has been pretty relevant this year and the next one though.
>>570825442>ONE release every 10 (ten) yearsThat's not relevance, it's "Hey we'll throw you a bone to prove we didn't completely forget about you.
>>570823528Whom, if not neutered by her father's proceedure, can turn any shit tier adept of her choosing into an absolute menace or a strong adept into a god of destruction, so not a very good example.
>>570819432Have you considered she didn't want to fuck GV and that's why she tried to kill him?Evil Elise's goal was to kill as many people as possible to rule over a kingdom of zombie thralls.
>>570825910>doomer nonsenseCharming.Try Konami sweatie.
>>570826043According to Mirage Party, Lumen has some potent combat abilities too, like Luxia and Zonda, Joule just never used them.
>>570826243She explicitly wanted to turn him into a boy toy after reviving him.
>>570826243No, because she keeps on flirting and making sexual passes at GV. There's the "you're going to be my toy" line and the foursome one. Also, regular Elise seemed to have a bit of a rescue crush on him before Evilise took control. The IPs are really thirsty too.
>>570826616Tbh that reeks of a retcon given how far removed it was and how at no point before a direct combat application is suggested (Zonda had a septima with offensive capabilities so her case's different) but guess that's how it works now. And no, the dark Lumens BE uses are probably just Image Pulses created by Asimov.
>>570764635Well we aren't going to melt BBS until July so you have enough time to figure it out. Majo is getting hosted by Best Iris™ so I guess 2.2 it is.I still can't believe that we're having translated Saisei this soon. Wild.
>>570826891Not really. More like threats.
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>>570825240Right? We're being told that it happens, but we never actually see it happen. And that's the problem. Our only experience with adepts is "here's this boy, he can alter reality as he sees fit" and it's like, how the fuck are you losing? How am I supposed to reasonably believe that you and your ganksquad of equally overpowered individuals are somehow struggling? The very best of humanity can't do anything, what chance do others have?
