Jobber Edition >Latest patch:https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/688635449342692003>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/https://deadlock-api.com/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/https://www.deadfrag.com/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>572519595
>>572585959welcome to the club
>latest patch has references to hoodwink in the files It's over...
So now that the dust has settled, what is the verdict on the new patch? Positive responses only, please
>>572586239I lost two games in a row so the patch is BAD
>>572586225source is my prolapsed anus that have been ruined by a dragon dildo btw
>>572586239>my most played hero is still shit >my second most played got nerfed >literally never play anything elsePatch sucks
but what does this patch mean for street brawl chads
>>572586239>all my heroes are shit-tier>learn a swap>it gets nerfed>still kinda playable>everyone else got gigabuffed>get raped by ult changes>everyone else i play is still assshit patch
>>572586239>any character who didn't have good 1-2-3 and relied heavily on 4 is now abysmal dogshit with 0 compensation>characters that pressed m1 and had good base abilities are even stronger than they were; they also got buffed btw
>>572585959rem sucks now and will probably be nerfed again after retards waste their helpers on the new rift creeps thinking its strong. time to not play for 2 patches
what the fuck were they thinking with the urn capture music being a chill piano beat
>team bitches at me because I couldn't solo defend a mostly dead walker vs a fed Wraith while playing RemNYC is lucky the towers haven't been built yet or these chuds would be doing lots of things right now
>>572586524> 2 trick meta slave>>572586780>regular meta slave>>572587152>m1 hater complaining about a micro ult nerf(universal btw)You can tell its a good patch because this is all unreasonable
>>572587716Why would I ever play more than two heroes? I don't like any other hero.
>>572587716>press 2 abilities>500 damage>drifter presses m1 2 times>450 damageif the game was balanced metaslaving would be unnecessary
Silver if she Seven
when was the last time kelvin was good outside of pressing 4 on night shift?fucking alpha when he could shit out 150k healing?
bring back 4 lanes
>>572588203his grenade heals were overtuned again the patch before all the urn changes iirc
>>572588019>Silver if she had a fatherftfy
>>572588443Seven is her dad
>>572588327were they? healbane is a frequent buy on phantom+, and if everything you do gets countered by a single stat it's not really overtuned is itdome is complete ass now, path is ok and beam is meh
>>572588203Its still alpha but his beam used to rape
>>572588756>beam buffed>nerfed in a week because you aren't allowed to win trades with m1ggers with an anti m1gger toolgrim
>>572588531it was enough that it was enabling cheap bullshit kills in lane on steamrolly characters before that stuff came out, and you could throw them out so frequently late that you were still healing a ton even against people who knew what they were doing. goes without saying that he was unstoppable in shitlo where nobody buys anti heal for some reason so he was nerfed pretty quick
Celeste is extremely small
>>572588989i like it when it's the supports who get nerfed for the sins of steamroll chars
>>572587262I thought it would be fine but the nerfs are actually so shitRem had crazy strong healing but that was really his one strength. He doesn't do damage, being richer than your average support if the enemy team doesn't monitor sinners means fuck all, and his ult is averagethe real problem was players never buying anti-heal
>warden nerfed>abrams nerfed>shiv buffed>apollo buffedthis patch is genuinely fucking atrocious
>>572589348>shiv buffedthis nigga should perpetually be in B-tier or shit gets out of hand
>>572589348All deserved
>>572589268He can outfarm even without the sinners and his ult is good. I dont know why they buffed his heal desu it was a big skill issue before and now every retard gets 100k heals playing pocket for some op frontline
>kelvin is ass>mcgee is dogshit>dynamo is mid at bestalright so who do i play this patch
>>572589719victor/graves/shivthey want you to play the braindead characters now
>>572589719Mcginnis is good imo, just have to play heals/heroic aura and play for rift
>>5725890865'11" vs 6'
>>572590138doesn't work in asc mate, being stationary there is a death sentencei'd rather play rem atp
>>572590002>victorbaffling that dying twice on rift is more value than any of these chars
>>572589268i guess yoshi forgot he nerfed everything except for the heal before this so its all he had>>572589516outfarming doesnt mean anything when you dont do anything with it, especially when you sometimes get caught stealing red handed and feed a giant bag. your best use as rem is being a split push bot
>>572589719Silver!
>>572590696waifufags get the rope
>>572590232It does but ok>>572590449Stealing was always kind of bait because the enemy would just get hp free Sinners if they showed up on time, you should be using them to box max to get ahead. Cast one in a big group of box, hit the tunnels with your body
>>572590696She's S+ tier again according to the tier lists
Think I'm just gonna play Ivy and M&K this patch
>>572589719>supportsPaige is probably the new busted support for the patch with all the buffsthen she'll get nerfed like the restor you could suffer with learning Viscous and be a splatter/cube bot
I'm playing warden/abrams/mina/celeste/silver/sevenwhat am I shelving and what am I grabbing?
Who is the worst hero this patch? Still Silver?
>>572590824Mo is about the same as before. His T3 sandblast is just MARGINALLY better now.
>>572590754Always has been, according to the tier lists
>>572591218his health scaling off of the ult offsets the global health nerf everyone else but drifter has to deal with
>>572585959I've just won two back to back games where we 20k down and somehow managed to eke back a winDid something change or am I crazy
>>572591369unbalanced patch
>>572589348>>shiv buffedLmao
>>572590724yeah, but when souls dont amount anythingthen farming is still not the value, denial is. just reinforces the point that rem sucks. i opened a bot game yesterday to test how an impossibly ahead rem is and even at 25k ahead with full retard purple build the pillows are only hitting for ~30% of their health, 50% if it's a squishy hero. we're back to purely playing util items the character™ which means we're effectively full build at a very low soul count. why not just play a character that can do the same thing but with more support abilities instead of wasting a button on boosting farm? if we're trying to turn rem into some kind of helper farmer we could at least turn him into a more interesting character by buffing the team souls aspect and turn him into some kind of alchemist character that boosts your carry's farm
>Shiv is in 50% of games right now>46% win rateIt's over.
anybody else sit in their stink during deadlock matches wafting in the aura of their musty nuts?
>>572591804The helpers are not only farm tool, they also push and buff, so id say its not a waste of a button. It is true that he is util items, the character, but this doesnt mean that he has to run a low soul build, he can go divine barrier/curse/scourge(I still think scourge is worth because he can get crazy spirit with boundless+tag along)
>>572592225take a shower, faggot
is it sane to rush 6400 in lane?
>>572592047first moba?
>>572592790i dont buy 3200 items on any lane/hero1600 are so valuable
>>572592790He is insane but also correct
>>572592790yes but if your lane is going badly its a lot worse
>>572592294im obviously not saying helpers are only a farm tool, but the push is whatever because other characters can do it better and the buff is good but not enough to justify the character. on a human level its bad design to have your utility have 0 presence on a score screen so even if you save a game it will look like you are a worthless retard on a score screen
the fact bebop can do paradox's ult every couple seconds is still dumb
>>572592790so this is what's causing those sub 10k damage ivy players that feed hard in lane to spawn into my games huh?
>>572593127arrogant twink... kicking the goat when he's down like that...
>>572593497Other characters cannot push like him, the closest example is Graves ult then leavingHe can reliably push 2 lanes, sometimes 3 the whole game. It also forces the enemy to clear the heal creep quickly which is a subtle but substantive effectI personally dont care that it doesnt show up on the score screen and would argue that trying to quantify everything is the actual bad design. Qualitative is the otherside of quantitative and you cannot have a well rounded design without both
>patch so bad pausing has a chance to crash every pc in the lobbyamazing patch yoshit
>>572589348>>warden nerfedliterally only wardentrannies would be mad about this.Warden is the literal most braindead character in the game.yes somehow even more braindead than graves.any time he's good the game is shit because he is BY FAR the easiest m1 carry in the game.
>>572591286Hey, low elo retard.you know your own source has her listed low, right?do you larping whiners even play the game or just whine to try and fit in?
i have few questions for apollowhen do i go for farming the little one eyed things that stick out of the ground?when do i go for sinner's?which characters can i be aggressive with?which characters i can't?
>>572595160It's an old picture you dopey dog
>>572593497>but the push is whatever because other characters can do it betterliterally not the point, retard.it's the fact you can push while being in a fight.it's why Mirage is still fucking broken because he singlehandedly disables an entire win condition by himself (splitpushing) while also being able to be at team fights/being in teamfights and countering a push
>>572595160>silver >strong LMAO
>>572595252>when do i go for farming the little one eyed things that stick out of the ground?depends on what tier.Tier 1s? (the little ones) instantly when they come up, you should ALWAYS kill your tier 1s on spawn/contest the enemies.>when do I go for sinnerswhen they come up usually, though you'll probably want to have a healing rite if you want to keep tempo.>which characters can i be aggressive with?I know this is gonna be annoying to hear, but that's for you to figure out. limit testing is very important for learning new characters.>can'tsee above.
>>572595252>first 2 questionswhen there isn't a wave at your tower>last 2apollo is the designated "rape and kill everyone for the first 20 minutes" character. once people have spirit resist you don't exist as a character anymore, so if you haven't gotten multiple kills early then you're griefing by playing him.
Silver cured my homosexuality
>>572595789She seems to have that effect on people
why is he spreading his legs like that...
>>572595612>apollo is the designated "rape and kill everyone for the first 20 minutes" character.ermmm...you're mina....???and Ventator for some reason (except he doesn't fall off, fuck you, he also has 4k 2500 hp at 15 minutes)
>>572596191Little Rem tootsies <3He swingin, AERODYNAMIC
>>572596191Giving birth to a Lil helper
>>572596191airing out his cloacayes, birds don't have dicks except ducks, because
>>572596191is Rem hermaphrodite?
What the fuck is this? Do they really not want people to kill their lane opponents, or what? Why aren't you allowed to win an advantage in lane? Why do they hate PvP and encourage PvE so hard?
>>572597583because this game has no draft system and having the Venator/Mirage come out of lane 4k ahead because the dogshit matchmaker decided they are equal laners to something like Ivy/Celeste?fucking retard, think about your low elo question for 5 seconds.
>Paige buffedAs a Paige main, I really didn't want this... she was fineeee. Now she's gonna get accused of being OP, and get nerfed to be worse than she was before these buffs, just like Silver or Graves.
>>572597583I think it was part of the broader "slow down the lane" changes
can someone redpill me on rifts
>>572597870You sound like you love the PvE handhold of jungling after you get your shit pushed in regularly in lane.
>>572598136>low elo retard literally incapable of reading the post and actually arguing it not an argument, i accept your concession ritualisttard.
>>572598028In the sense that they're trying to extend the laning stage by slowing it down, or make it matter even less than it did already over the course of the match?
>>572593697Why is Paradox always catching fucking straysEven if they nominally slightly buff something of hers there's a global sweeping change in the patch that affects her disproportionately.
>>572598271Sounds like I hit the nail on the head, actually :3
678>still no argument and hiding away from actually confronting the postI accept your concession.
>>572598136And you sound like you're black
>>572598820>ohhh no he didn't tag me in his post!!Basement dweller with an inflated elo
>>572598614because Paradox is fucking broken and has been broken for months?ever since the express shot meta she has been at the bare minimum A+ tier.
queued upgot a punch sinclaira viscious that maybe ulted three times in a 35 minute gamejust felt the need to uninstallsee you guys in a month
>Victor and Shiv hamming it up in the pre-load lobby about them ragebaiting some dude>Make victor ragequit>Shiv types lmao and laughs with everyone elseTHIS IS WHY NORMIES ARE FUCKING DISGUSTINGDISLOYAL ANIMAL LAUGHS AT HIS BROTHER'S PLIGHT RIGHT AS HE'S OUT OF EARSHIT
>>572599136Which Nightshift team are you on?
>>572599225When you come back your your teammates will be even worse from rank decay
>>572586239the pacing of the game feels way better now, and the rift+urn combo makes macro more interestingBUT the balancing is dogshit. m1 characters are even better, and shiv and mina are genuinely horrible to play against now
>>572599587in my experience rift often just leads to one support sitting in the cuck chair to capture it while the rest of the team snowballs, it's pretty fucking lame
I think I'm done with one game for today
>>572586239Urnn is nothingburger and koth is the same old shit.Venator still does Vyper tier dmg while having 1k more HP than any other gun carry.SevenHaze is still unplayable dogshitREMOVE ULT, BUFF FIXATION.MAKE HER T H E TRACKING CHARACTERWHY DO WE NERF FIXATION AND NOT JUST GUT THE RETARD ULT???
like a month or 2 ago, everyone i play with was buying either extra regen or healing rite, now barely anyone buys it at all
>>572599813>Spiritual overflow>no unstop>no imdomn you could just just unga retard splitpush and 2v1'd anyone who showed up if you had actually good items.
>>572600059Unstoppable could have worked if they didn't have metalskin and curse. Should have swapped something with armor piercing bullets, but oh well, it worked this way
Valve should add a youkai to deadlock.
>>572599587Is it Sanguine Retreat T3 for Mina?
>>572600572you should add bleach to your next drink.
>>572599749i don't necessarily hate it but the complete lack of agency in spawning it in sucks
>>572600356>curseUnstop counters it, you have more than enough burst to kill the curse carrier and then 2 the rest of the debuffs.>metalskinSTILL the most overpowered item in the game only not nerfed because low elo piggies think gun is still OP despite the only playable gun character being Venator.
When are we getting a janny character?
So this new objective is entirely pointless? They are easily killed. What is the actual point of it?
>>572601258Venator already has a triple execute ult
>>572600821>shounenshitain't drinking that
>>572601258literally Rem>cleans up side waves>cleans up enemy sinners>restores HP
>>572601364to end games in shitlow and to reduce downtime in shithigh
>it's "enemy ivy delivers the urn" for the 10th time" episodewhat the fuck is wrong with valve
>>572589719>kelvin is ass???????????dafuq? how exactly??
>80s cooldown on an ultimate you can't control>that only starts counting down after it ends, for a 95s downtime totalLOLLMAO>s-s-sorry I can't shoot back, can't risk my u-ult popping :(
>>572601538He doesnt do it for free tho
when are we getting a wheelchair hero?
>>572602063he LITERALLY cleans up sidewaves for free.>Follow a trooper: Provides healing, damage, resists, and allows tagging along. When no hero is around, souls from trooper kills are split amongst the team.
>>572599465Doesn't really feel like much of a loss then. At the very least there might be some semblance of people giving a fuck if the mm changes are good
>new patch>5 straight lossesthank you for reading my blogsend help
when is silver allowed to be good again :/
Is it worth downloading jump maps?
>>572602605>again
>>572602605it's so bizarre to me how people here whine about silver when she's just like Riven.rancid dogshit unless you have very solid mechanics 90% of the player base will just objectively never deal with.Silver players in low elo literally can't even pop wolf form but will still cry about her regardless because their favorite eceleb said she's broken.
>>572601998New meta, egg and curse silver so you don't accidently ult
>>572602965Riven doesnt see pro play thobeithowever
>>572585959>sent a söycuck, with whom I was friends until very recently a Deadlock invite>"I will not play it, the women are too attractive"Such people actually do exist, huh?
>the annual shivpocalypse has beganognbsissies won't survive..
>>572586239I haven't noticed anything different.
>>572602965sure? but pro play in this game is a literal meme. it's basically scrims when you compare it to games with actual pro play like League/Dota or even fucking Overwatch.also irrelevant to the point i was making.
>>572602965Riven was obnoxiously OP for a very long time in LoL. Silver is only considered OP in Deadlock because her bola makes it so movement trannies can't fly away from every fight that isn't favorable.
>>572601897>healbot with no utility>entire character countered with healbane>half the cast doesn't care about slows>deals 0 damage>dome is 8/10 times a death trapjust play rem nigga
>>572602802Only if you plan on transitioning from male to female.
>>572603589oops, meant for >>572603205
>>572603667>bolayou can just debuff remove italso you can just metal skin, or slowing hex, or disarming hexor juggernautor arctic blastor etc etcbut most of the player base refuses to actually use the item shop as a shop and just left to right buy regardless of who they're playing into.still the same reason Seven has had a perpetually high WR because people will not build curse/knockdown or debuff remover/counterspell.
GETTING HIT BY MELEES SHOULD DISABLE JUMPING AND STAMINA USE AND MOBILITY SPELLSYOU PLAY A TROONMENT HERO AND GET STRUCK IN MELEE BECAUSE YOU SUCK AT POSITIONING AND RELY ON OP MOVEMENT BULLSHIT TO SURVIVE ANY ENGAGEMENT?FUCK YOU HOLD STILL WHILE I BEAT YOU TO DEATH
>>572603370What the fuck is ognb
>>572604650Sorry but that would mean that melee wouldn't be complete dogshit, and it would make movement less overpowered, so that will never happen.
>>572604576I really hate how debuff remover is part of the set of items that are required purchases every single match.
Every game today as been a stomp. 2 losses and 1 win. What the fuck happened. Was urn brool the only thing keep this game even in shitlo?
>bashdown>blasted>bashdownwhy does it feel like theres a smarter way of using the replenished bashdown i'm not seeing?
Petition to permanently separate the EU servers so we(white people) don't have to play with subhuman russian dogs?
>>572605280The minions you get from rift arent even hard to deal with.its literally no different from urn last patch.>urn brool>winner easily clears lane and walker because losers are dead.rift is just urn brool with minion fluff.
>>572605308You can space them out and do normal shots and melee in between, especially if they blow their parry but its situational.A lot of the time you'll need to hit multiple people or use all your pulldowns/knockups to eat dashes in which case just hitting all your shit as fast as possible is probably best.
>"aww, it's going to be so sad when valve bans mods">good modelswaps haven't been updated in over 5 months>most of the listings are songs from youtube shorts attached to a random charactergood riddance
>>572605485What's up with your tranny name
>>572605280Roster isn't balanced around having a koth fight every 5 minutes so the composition that's best for that has an easier time. Unlike rejuv where you could have the chance to clutch it even if your team was dead to grab one or two the new objective is an insta loss if you don't have the numbers and it translates into a free rejuv for the already winning team if you lose the rift fight. The game is super snowbally right now.
Kelvin is a tank. Your supposed to get mystic slow, greater expansion, rapid recharge and then a ton of green items.
>>572605485>Gubanich(prime)>russian meme(american meme)>tranny>venator>Forworld Withoutnegroes>hairy belly
>>572606356>Kelvin is a tanknever beating the retard allegations
>>572606356>shiv goes 15 0 in 5th game in a rowamazing work yoshit
is Veil Walker a shit item?
Is Trophy Collector Silver good?
this is probably one of the most unbalanced patches in a year
>>572606974depends on the hero
>>572607095All patches have been bad since march 6th.>>572606974Veil Walker is great but only on specific characters that are roaming a lot or get a lot out of the invis, like Sinclair for example.
>>572606784>4th highest max health in the game>not a tankSeekerGOD
I have a feeling they sent us Dota's balancing team.
>>572607416>looks at hp scaling instead of ability kit as a wholeinitiatefag, please
>>572606139since when has valve banned mods?
>>572607614His ult was literally made for tanking
>>572606974You can buy it on any roamer and even some m1ggers for sustain and move speed.
>>572607614Nta but your retarded
>>572607737shiv 3 does more thanking than dome with refresher, and that's for freeand what are you gonna do when you dome? take a picture of the guy you domed?
>>572607903You know you can also doke teammates right? Its not a 1v1 tool
>>572606982
>>572608054ok but why?
>>572606982Its not the worst honestly but range does do much for her, and thats how I usually decide if Trophy is worth on a particular hero
>>572607416ah fuck then I guess Warden is tank and not a gun carry/spirit initatior!!!!fucking retarded low elo tard.>>572607894>your
>>572607550I mean Yoshi is literally Icefrog, so yes, that is exactly why Deadlock has has such awful balance for so long.
>>572608223Doesnt do much*
>>572607894that's okay you can be a faggot>>572608016you can, but most of the time it's a death trap that doesn't pay off any AP or soul investments, you're just inviting reinforcements to your position, and if your duo can nuke somebody fast enough for that to not matter you probably didn't need the dome anyways
>>572608282Tank warden is freelo
>>572607416>Lash is more of a tank than Abrams at max boons by this retarded logicSpreadsheet trannies are the worst type of larpers.
>>572608282>warden is a tankYes, you even admit it by calling him an initiator. Esl perchance?
>>572608485For which team?
>they are trying to downplay how OP tanks are right nowI know what you are.
601>Initiators are tanks nowHOLY RETARDDDDDHOLIDAY AND PARADOX ARE TANKS GUYS
>>572608643>kelvin is a problembuy healbane you fucking mongoloid
>>572608521Green items are litterally better on lash than Abrams because his hp is better, yesYou do have to factor in his infernal resilience tho
>>572608643they just nerfed health across the board for 2 patches in a row though.
>>572608825Not enough
>>572608719Tankadox is a thing and holiday is not an initiator, pick is different
>In order for you to progress you must first get pass the Unga Bunga wave in-game, along with making sure the Time Vortex Warp Hole doesn't damage your guardians! If you want to stop the Timekeeper from shaking things up a little mid-match, and making it harder for you to do a comeback urn, you must first enter a bargaining minigame with the Timekeeper over how much intellectual property you have over the brand that houses several parts of Manhattan itself! This way, you can conquer the blue lane to now finally bargain with the Toad Emperor, in which you play a D&D minigame with him, as you can use this time to keep the enemy team at bay-STOP ADDING NEW SHIT THAT NO ONE ASKED FOR TO THIS GAME. NO ONE WAS HUNGERING FOR A RIFT, URN IS STILL SHIT, AND WE DON'T NEED 100000000 NEUTRAL OBJECTIVES IN ORDER FOR US TO BE HAPPY. GOD. DAMN.
How do we fix her?
>>572609137>objectives every 3m on the map>nerf the ults globallyamazing way to narrow the meta to snowball dogshit
>>572609246Complete rework, you can't have a character that takes 0 effort to play with literally every single aspect of their kit and have them be as effective as anyone else. Graves, like most of the characters added in the last batch, were bad additions to the game and pushed it more in the direction we are in now, which is a fucking retarded mess.>>572609137>>572609338The change to the urn, making it into these rifts, feels fucking baffling. The urn was supposed to be a comeback mechanic, except it never has been that at all, and now it's actually doubled down on being a snowball mechanic because the team that wins the rift fight also gets a free walker.
>>572587637They control half the country already
>>572609484>the urn was supposed to be a comeback mechanic The sooner you release yourself from this fantasy, the sooner the change will stop hurting you
>another game another shiv going 20 0why the fuck did they allow him to have melee synergy for free
>>572609664if the urn having comeback mechanics really was a fantasy, then this shit would've never happened:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQdDdbhILqY&t
>>572609012>Tankadox is a thinggoalpost movedwhat happens after Holiday lands an ult, retarded tranny?a team fight usually happens.idk why I respond to bait posted by retards whos first moba is deadlock.
>>572609818
Valve is figuring out how much shit the playerbase will take before concurrent online drops off a cliffAll according to keikaku
>>572609876Holiday doesnt jump into 6 people to get a lasso, its used to pick stragglers. If its an urn fight or mid fight she is not going in first.Juxtapose this to mo and krill, who can jump into 6 people. Its clear you are esl and looking up definitions in between posts
>>572609926nobody likes you
>>572609939do you feel the experiment? after months of experimenting?CAN YOU FEEL THE EXPERIMENTS TICKLING YOUR BRAIN? WE'VE BEEN EXPERIMENTING WITH SUICIDE RECENTLY AND WISH TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THE SUICIDE SOON
I thought previous urn was greatI think it's good that they added a new objectiveit's just a fucking lame one and new urn is also shit so instead of one good urn mechanic we have 2 shit objectives to fight over
>>572609818im confused, are you crying because shiv's 2 now procs spirit snatch?
>>572610127>hm. let's change good thing without really thinking about it>hm... I wonder if this will make good thing bad, let's see>...mm, yep! good thing was made bad. damn. Wasn't expecting that. how could've we predicted that sooner?>oh well, another lab result is required to see how changing thing without thinking about it instance #300 will go
Side-lane bridges fucking suck, and mid bridge is so fucking boring compared to 4 lane midI hate them, goddamn I hate how lame those things look
can the unstable rift spawn in mid lane or is it still a side lane only objective?
>>572610108>Holiday doesnt jump into 6 people to get a lassoHOLY LOW ELOLMFAOOOO
>>572599587>now
>>572611216I accept your concession
>>572595160Silver """players""" don't play the game.
>>572610908mid lane is for midboss, you take mid while retards on the other team contest rift and then you win
>>572610648>mcgee has no helmet nowwhy did they do it to her
>hmmm, lets check out this new build>early/middle/late game without L-R order>no notes which items to sell first>tons of Optional tabs
>>572612119you need this much handholding?
>>572611993because with the helmet she looks like a working woman, and butch dykes don't work
>>572605031This is a consequence of the march patch completely overbloating every character's kit with 30 trillion debuffs.
>>572612119>search for Silver builds>only ones with likes or feedback are pre-nerf
>>572612514she's still S+ tier though! just because people stopped playing her at high rank it doesn't mean she's bad!
>>572612196Why not just use the shop at that point?
>>572607550Campo Santo? Would explain the BROOLing. Him and Icefrog in the same room is a recipe for disaster
>>572612514Im working on one rn but the patch made me restart it, probably wont be done until tomorrow
Did they fire Hotpoo? It's like he evaporated.
>>572610419um sweetie sometimes to break a mental roadblock you have to do retarded things and spin in circles making balance changes around these retarded changes just to change the retarded thing but leave the balance changes thus making new challenges to address and forget what you were aiming to address okay
>>572613418Speculation is he's working on a PvE mode.
>>572613593>focus on adding in new content as fast as possible instead of seriously addressing pre-existing issues with the gameThe Dead by Daylight strategy, hm...
>>572613745>The Dead by Daylight strategydo we also have to force Yoshi to play his own game so he actually nerfs the fucking flashlight?
>>572613745We're only playing this because Uncle Dane is a fat retard, to them this playtest (barring the secret club) is probably just a way to experiment wild changes and collect data while aiming for their core targets like average game time, average net worth etc. it makes sense they're focusing on adding new content even if it sucks for us.
>>572613593i just wanna fuck wenduag every day of my life like a beast raw animalistic fucking 24/7 nonstop no breaks no delays
>>572613745>addressing issuesthe truth is that you initiate niggers will never be happy no matter what balance or mm changes arrive. You will still be a mentally ill shitter that blames your team while being handless. I don’t see how hating on new content on a game that goes months without updates is a thingYou hardstuck shitters already delayed the new heroes by begging for a mm update. Faggot shit truly
>you initiate niggers don't want to buy the simpsons movie 300 times?! LOL ROFL xD you are the problem!!! just shut up and consume little negrokek!!!
Honestly, I don't know why I'm playing this dogshit game at this point. I've yet to get a single team that knows how to play the game with the new mechs. The only time I got a team that did this the game was an hour long. Yoshi is a retard dev these experiment patches are dogshit. Just take out the MOBA and soul buying at this point and give us more unique hero abilites and upgrades. This game takes all the bad in a MOBA and hero shooter and puts it into one game, without any of the good. If it weren't for Valve's dogshit moderating, I wouldn't be playing this garbage as I would've been banned already for calling people "slurs"
>>572614113same
>>572614635>I've yet to get a single team that knows how to play the game with the new mechs.The patch came out 24 hours ago and completely reworked one of the mechanics, most of the players are cattle that don't read patch notes anyway.
how long is it going to take them to realize that forcing 12 people to fight in a small circle in a game where some people have aoe slop and some don't is never going to be a balanced mechanic
want me to wipe your ass while we're at it, lil man?
>>572615253true urnism has never been tried
Getting real tired of these stomp games.It keeps up im just gonna uninstall this shit
>>572615253aoeslop doesn't really belong in this game anywayI saw a suggestion where increasing reload times by a slight amount would work wonders for encouraging better positioning instead of mindlessly running into the enemy teambut aoe just takes all the thinking out of using some abilities anyway. and if there ARE aoes, the range should be DECREASED dramatically from how it is now, or some aoe moves should be outright reworked or replaced
>>572615253Have you played ow before?
>>572614410>free new content is consoomerism>but 1 percentage buffs/nerfs and useless mm changes is not goycattle behaviorlol, my condolences initiatetard
>>572615341as a diaperfur rem main, yes please!
>>572615701uhmm you can't post that wendubro...
>>572615663Wanting new content that steamrolls the major, foundational changes the game actually needs is unironic consumerism, yes.
>>572615965>actually wanting new things is BAD>wanting game not to be stale is BAD>getting something for free is BUZZWORD I learned as a disabled neetjust get it over with and blow your brains out. no one is gonna miss your failure autist ass
>>572615701average /vg/ OP image
>>572615654genuinely not even worth responding to
>>572602605>>572603667maybe silvertrannies should actually learn to play the game
>>572617074They would rather cry about Silver being op because they're too stupid to not stand still when the wolf runs at them.
>>572612514>>572612595kill yourself silvertranny
>>572617263>implying wolf form gets popped in their elo remember when fucking torment pulse was in all of their builds because they were THAT fucking bad at her?>>572617279statlocker
Using the urn to chase people as Victor is really funny
So who are the strongest this patch?
/ourguy/ vegas said deadlock has been in the worst spot it's been in in awhile how do we come back from this?
>>572616781 its 6v6 aoe sloppa and half the playerbase is ow refuges
>>572617390kill yourself silvertranny
>>572617452Its shrimple, we disown him as our guy and find someone who doesnt complain
>>572617506I accept your concession
>>572585750who knowst. the Venator buying silence for pocket with a Rem and Paige on his team
>>572617460>aoe sloppathe grand majority of damage in OW is single target, retardJunkrat/Pharah have small AOEs and are mostly single target with how shit their splash is.and the AOE ults in that game are basic abilities in Deadlock.and the big AOEs are all ults>Junk tire, mei ult, shatter, barrage, etc etcfuck off and die for making me genuinely respond to this.
>>572617409>strongestDiscord premades>weakestsoloQ'rs
>>572617452And he's right, just revert everything back to premarch sixth and steadily readd the few good changes back into the game.
>>572617409>strongesthero shooter aoeslop new characters
>>572601258That's Trapperand never ever
How is Paige able to fight while carrying all those books?
>>572601258>Seven>Infernus>Rem>Geist>Haze>MinaThere's too many to name in the game already. I think like half the cast are good Jannies and it would be easier to name the bad jannies.
>>572618489fat jiggly tits counterbalance
>people still entering this game without prior knowledge. play game expecting.... cod? fortnite? ow? this is what happens when you spend your 10+ years from 2010 not playing Esports when it mattered and by that i mean LoL and Dota.
Slork when?
>>572619318>esports that mattered>lolCs chuds will inherit the earth
>>572613745what are the pre-existing issues?
rift chuds should really come with one stack of spellbreaker, they still die in one ability from any spirit character
>>572619509at least some fps players can scale by without having to "find the best guide" for whatever reason and just following valves L to R. but coming into this game and signing up or getting an invite then whining when finding out about items is wild
funny how this game has the exact same matchmaking issues in pre-release as tf2 does after valvecucks butchered it with meet your matchboth games have lottery matchmaking, with people leaving mid-match and throwing the gamei fucking hate valve so muchbunch of kikes
>>572620438what do you suggest to fix any of those?
Flopping tranny deadcock.
>geist lane partner keeps rushing back to base to heal instead of getting extra regen or mystical regen>question why she keeps fucking off>annoying celeste tranny starts mocking me>mute>getting ganked for a solid 20 seconds by the sinner spawn>geist completely ignores me>escape and tell her she's on her own>she cant defend shit and dies alongside guardian>end the game as a key player because there's no carrying a sack of rotten potatoes like these to victoryDont be dogshit.Simple as.
>>572620515i don't know how i would go about fixing deadlock, i'm not an expert in mobastf2, however, is easy - just bring back the old quickplay system with scramble votes and extended map timers
>>572620543i wish there was an in game suggestion ping. because telling someone to buy something via chat often pisses them off since they're mentally ill
>according to statlocker Drifter is S tier right now in EternusWhy? What does he even do?
>>572620518It's gonna go EOS by the end of the year, all because of urnslop...
>>572620660people would spam ping it and mute doesnt mute pings
>>572621123>silver>b tier>venato>c tierthese are both S+++ meta defining heroes though?
>>572621123looks like if you buff a heros stats enough he will become good despite his kit being horrible for the new teamfight
>>572621123He's way too strong right now. He was fine before the buffs now he's unbearable.
>>572621123Maybe hes raping urn runners
>>572602802For fun yeah.
>>572621123>teleports behind you, silences and hits you for 2000 damage
>>572595347>its why mirage is still fucking brokensee, a character who can do his job better. retard. back to initiate
>>572595347>it's why Mirage is still fucking broken
>>572621123at least you can actually counter drifter with metal skin unlike haze
Thinking that kinetic dash might be the move on SilverNever have to actually reload and you can use slam fire to reload right before the duration ends for the same ammo as during KDAlso running heroic aura to job works pretty good
How the fuck do you play Billy? even with my mid mindgames random parries fold me
>>572623036Kinetic has been my go to item on her for months
>>572623040you just go full ape after laning phase ends since he's retarded busted. Just got to survive lane and not be the 0/23 william.
>Keep buffing spirit and nerfing gun>Everybody hates the state of the gameHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>572621123What happened to victor
>>572623036Its ok as an ammo solution but since its a firerate buff it adds basically nothing to slamfire
>shiv buffed>geist is notIs Youshit retarded? Now Shiv does melee damage with his second and it has 10s cooldown and can't be parried
>>572623212he realized his body is not as bad as Silver's fluffy pussy so he doesn't want to win anymore
>haze on enemy team>fun factor for everyone involved decreased by 20%
Did an item frequency check on silver using the top 10 players from eu and naHunters is an op item but 2bh im not crazy about it on silver because I feel like the isolation wont happen much
>enemy team has shiv and celest>you can't kill shiv as he dashes 15m back and frorth every 10 seconds and does melee and spirit damage which means he's healing himself like crazy>celest gives her autowin ult
Which items are you guys building on shiv now? Express Shot is pretty swaggy
>>572623951if this list is real then it proves how retarded the deadlock community is
>>572624456um but its the top players? on S+++ilver? they have hands
>>572624450I can only image how broken Lifestrike is, imagine not being able to parry that shit, and he can spam it every 10 seconds without any items with just tier 1 ability
>>572624692pretty dogshit considering it heals much less than radiant regen
what do
>>572624571why do you even care about how other people play this game? I don't care, I don't google streamers or tutorials, I'm just having fun playing by myself, I don't need some 18 retards who lives less than I've been playing games to tell me what items to buy
>>572624926All I care about is Silver being dogshit because retards pretended she was OP so she got shitcanned
>>572624854what if you have both?
>>572625083it wont proc on dash and it will only proc on knives, which are much easier cleansed and usually aren't on as many people. plus knives have a longer cd since dash gives cd resets
>>572606139But what will I do about my naked graves mod?!
>>572624858parry
>>572624858gank her jungle :3
The only reason I play support is so that no matter what, I can't be blamed for the loss.that's it.
i dont recommend queuing right now, games are decided by whichever team gets the shiv and/or warden (they lose automatically)
rate my setup
>>572626139Fake.
>>572626139And gay.
is it worth going for the nebula super minions late-game where theres no more walkers and everyone can melt neutrals in seconds
>>572624456Its real, I just double checked a few to make sure the count was right. It was actually only 16 players because 4 have not played silver in a while and this is only their most recent game in herWho should I do next?
>>572626353Yea why not? Probably not worth dieing over tho
i want to play deadlock but 2x one game with shiv and another one with silver at the same time
i hate the forced yuri slop this game attracted
>>572609818Because Shiv needs to always be in an overpowered state, like Mina, and any time he is anything less than SSS+ tier, he gets reworked or buffed.
>>572626795
>>572627137>>572627354here u go some straight slop instead of yuri slop
>>572617452He's completely correct, where did he say this? Got a video/timestamp?
>>572626795No one talks like thatSilver wouldn't say thatArtstyle is ugly.
>>572627494>cory "retarded trannyfucker" delaminguez>straight
I think i am wasting my life by playing online video games especially deadlock i am 22 i need to do something productive with my life
all of the retards complaining about "aoeslop" are predscan refugees from OW.
>>572623212In eternus I have to assume you will have people who will rape him with calico + drifter etc instead of letting him afk farm to godhoodHe's still bullshit but in that sense I guess you can call him balanced.
>>572624450trophy collector is really good now because of the changes to when you get boons + shiv getting tons of executes, mystic eyes/ult maxx>>572625220>>572625083you can trigger radiant on dash with stalker and torment pulse, lifestrike is literally paying 2400 souls to heal 50 more hp at best for 95% of the game, on a character who can just right click and get the easiest resto shot in the game after games
ascendant is unplayableEvery game, you will get teammates who sit behind a walker all game and wait for waves to crash on a non-afk farm hero
>>572628358I thought resto shot always fired a single projectile straight down the middle of the gun when it was ready?
>>572628529Had a bebop who built all green besides his 4.8k spirit spike and somehow fed the enemy vyper 10 killsWe won still but it was super fucking close and I had multiple moments with my team begging for AFK open.so yeah ascendant is a shitshow rnHopefully with the new ranked they recalibrate shit so there's an actual mid elo for these fucking nigger bebop players
they fucking killed my man billy
>>572628959is he actually bad now? I haven't had the chance to play new patch yet
>>572629101He's not bad but you are pigeonholed into building spirit nowThey saw that his spirit build was the most meta and went>You know what, lets make it the only viable way to play!Bravo yoshi, could have just nerfed his 2 instead you dumb nigger
>3 days of mostly losses>entire lanes going only deaths with 1 or 2 kills/assistsdid I do something to upset Yoshi? what the fuck is this?
this new patch feels so damn good. The new soul level scaling really cranks Ven up to 11 in the midgame
>it's another teammate goes sightseeing around New York so i have to lane janny while the enemy eats up our farm episodewhy do i even care
>>572629359it wasn't even a spirit build it was just a max 2 build. That shit doesn't even require spirit invest to fry someone.
>>572627975>>>/reddit/
>>572629771Eh it was defo heavy spirit Spirit Snatch + Scourge + Expansion + Tank Buster
Got retard nigger teamates that are too chicken shit to push?Play lash and throw the enemy RIGHT INTO THEIR FACES
>Post on forums about how Rift is a bad change because its on a timer and leads to the winning team always being in the best position to take it>get told "STOP TAKING THE GAME SO SERIOUSLY ITS A BETA WE'RE JUST PLAYTESTERS!!!"Bitch if you don't want me to take it seriously dont force me into fucking ranked. You want a Oracle/Phantom opinion? You get a fucking opinion that it sucks balls from a competitive standpoint.Anything that causes me to unfairly lose my rank because the devs thought it was a good idea, is inherently a bad fucking idea.
>>572623951Silver build(semi-derived from frequency chart)Specs> 8k in each category to avoid diminishing returns(can stop at 4.8k spirit if desired)>4.8k identified >some late game options >4 activesGun>fleetfootI know her ult let's her m1 without slowing already but this is for the other effects>weighted>point blankSpirit>coldfront>superior cooldown>superior duration Vitality >healbane>dispell>warpstone Lategame>Transcendent For the 4 actives>SpellslingerShes got a lot of spells what can i say, I know firerate is suboptimal usually>Unstoppable (sell dispell)>Arctic blast Dmg amp procs ult ezThis build has no shred so you could probably swap coldfront for brs if you really need it, Im just greeding because bullet resist isnt very prevalent. Im also thinking armors are not great on her and probably better off with the shields. Her human form doesnt have the hp to leverage them and they last for most the ult durationPs. Bind fleetfoot and warpstone to the same key, they do the same thing and have the same cd
New ult CD increases across the board makes tranny CD mandatory on all characters.
>>572631673Oh sweet baby inc Jesus...
>>572631673I love my FAS wife!!
>>572631673Behind her arrogance hides an ugly 13 year old girl who has never recieved male attention her whole life
>play ultginnis>build 10k into spirit>still do no damage until EE stacks catch up>killing the enemy carry takes 10 fucking seconds of ultdumping>the entire enemy team is free to rape you meanwhileass
>>572631679It always wasThey will nerf cdr a few more times then remove it from the game.
>>572632103they fucked up not going with the animated novel design
>>572632157McGinnis is great because she rapes either spirit, OR gun.But her ulti is probably the most useless one in the game.
>>572632157my bad, 30k into spirit
>>572621123>mokrill is still high A tier low s tier every patchJUST REWORK THAT NIGGER ALREADY YOSHI
Why do you play kelvin if you dont buy any support items fucking subhuman nigger
>>572632604what tier should he be in?
>they nerfed side laning and solo split pushingWhy? Because of the zip lines and movement mechanics letting you dash across the map in 12 seconds its already barley viable, why nerf it?
>>572632802kelvin players always struck me as retarded and slow
>>572632836He is one of the most braindead characters in the game he should be nerfed to graves tier
Will the matchmaking update save Deadlock?
>>572626795faggot tranny art
>>572632802Im the tank bro
>>572633090No because matchmaking has been solved since the 80s, they have to make mm psyop patches periodically to appease the retards who cant into statistics
>super troopers/ranged troopers will walk into walker's stomp animation forcibly stunning themWho the FUCK DESIGN THIS SHIT MAN???? HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!RANGED TROOPERS WILL LITERALLY STOP ATTACKING AND WALK INTO WALKERS TO GET STUNNED WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
>Yamato untouched>Mirage untouched>Wraith untouched>Mina buffed>Seven buffed>Pocket got a slap on the wrist>Haze curse ult combo still in the gameGenuinely incomprehensible, balance must be made through ouija boards.
>>572633675>Genuinely incomprehensible, balance must be made through ouija boards.
>>572632871A majority of deadlock players come from overwatch, rivals, CS and other fps games. Despite deadlock having some of the most streamlined lane and creep mechanics of any moba ever it is still to much for them.
Thank you valve i love it that bebop celeste and shiv are still absolute menaces and that i have to play against smurfs abusing them regularly so much fun
>>572633935my cs friend only one tricks haze and keeps making excuses on why he doesnt wanna play the game but in reality hes just shit and cant adapt to the game
Unstable Rift is what I call my asshole
>>572621123There's really fuck all data yet, that's like 800 drifter games total. Give it a week at least before discussing Eternus win rates.
>>572634770Maybe he just doesn't like the game and has no motivation to get better at it?
>>572635524Nah hes definitely one of those only aim retards, probably doesnt even know any lineups
The Goonman
>can't buff shit heroes because they'll rape in shitlow>can't nerf op heroes because they'll be useless in shitlowwhy is shitlow even a consideration atp
>>572636124Initiate BVLLS run this game, now nerf mokrill again yoshi.
>>572636124Anything below AscendantMid elo is like Ascendant and Eternus 1-2High elo is probably eternus 3-6 since that will be top 1000 people in the region.
>>572636263>>572636308i understand there's some considerations for an onboarding experiencebut>hero can't be good because people refuse to buy antihealis just baffling
>>572631679Did they even increase ults that had absurd CDs like Dynamo's ult, just because of faggot characters like Pocket, Victor, and Shiv?
>>572636397I mean coming from LOL I'm fine with itStill have nightmares about Garen being comically OP and over-stattedYou can't let braindead heroes be good or its just unfun.
>>572605485deadlock is surprisingly russian free if you're used to dota
>>572636514>singularity cd 265>heavy barrage cd 200>dome cd 195>every rape ult is still under 2 min cd btw
>>572621123>boon changes reward characters like him who want a few points in all their skills right away to "come online">global HP nerf combined with him personally getting more hp scaling and much bigger heal on isolated kills means he can more easily burst you down in a back alley and fuck off before help arrives>universal ult cooldown nerfs make characters like him who have less "automatically win teamfight" ults with short cooldowns comparatively more value>shorter cast on rend means he can much more easily land the up close hit after teleporting, which was always bullshit strong but before was really easy to just walk away from
>Queue for game>lane partner Celeste is a foid>Rem on voice comms is a flaming homosexual>his lane partner silver asks during pause if anyone likes femboys>Rem leaves me to die when he could have saved me and says "sorry cutie but you know what they say, survival of the cutest">We obviously get shit on by other team>Celeste 1-12, Rem 1-9, Silver 3-9Im done with this game
>>572617742its insane i completely understand my higher rank friend losing his mind the other day when no one bought it other than himslowing hex is fucking goated
>>572621123>dynamoin what universe if this fat ass hitbox with nothing in lane and no farming capability ever s tier
>>572636695Drifter's ult is an automatic teamfight win button though, if your team isn't retarded you can single out someone and rape them while the entire enemy team has no clue.>>572636634This game is such a fucking mess, man. I am glad I stopped playing the normal mode weeks ago, I rarely will log in to do a street brawl if a friend wants to play.
>>572636853If your worst player is a dynamo you're happyHe's a good magnet for shitters since they can go 0/10 and still have impact with ult
>>572626124>those warden itemsanyone < i dunno oracle or whatever should be forced to play with LR guides
>>572636853He can farm pretty well with stomps, they can still clear entire waves and you can then go jungle, and he is a character that likes buying Cultist Sac anyway.>>572626124Shiv players should all die, but can you really blame Warden players when they nerf his gun over and over again and don't make his other abilities any better? His ult is still worthless. That Warden is retarded for not maxing out cage first or second though.
>>572637019i dont want a 0-9-1 trophy collector arcane surge headshot booster dogshit dynamo on my team
>>572637161headhunter*
>>572636591fine fine, but there needs to be some moderation to itie ginnis ult is "relatively" easy to use, but at what point a venator just turning around and holding lmb and winning is considered sane?math aint mathing
>>572637161Okay but you're going to get players like that on your team regardless and like I said, its best they're on shitter heroes like DynamoYou're way more sad if they're on a frontliner or a carry
This is a general PSA for people who are new at the game, or who aren't and somehow haven't figured this out: If you get shit on in lane and go down to 1/6th HP you either buy healing rite or go back to base and heal up. Do not stay in lane with no hp behind tower, you are fucking your lane partner over, losing money, risking getting killed and causing the tower to eat a lot of unecessary damage. Please for the love of god heal up
>>572637276i have a heal off cd in 10s to heal both me and your ungrateful ass
Shivs my main cause hes honest.Whats the new meta? I took a day off.
whos betting this drifter on oblivion does nothing this entire match
>That shiv damage(((nerfed))) hero btw
>>572637434>shiv>honestbait
As someone with no prior MOBA experience I only have 50 hours in the game, but the longer I play and try to understand how the game works the worse I get. Went from Arcanist down to Seeker 2. Do I need to start transitioning MtF to start being good at this?
>>572637275i dont even know why people wanna play a hero like thatpick something that has impact no matter what like mcginnis intead
>>572634312for real why is bebop allowed to be such a nigger hero, even if the person playing him sucks shit he can still be such an annoying threat
damn, Mina Ha looks like THAT?
>>572637558i dunno i was trying a bunch of heroes but then i played like 30 mokrill games in a row and it clicked
>>572637671>has impact no matter what like mcginnisdoes nobody buy knockdown in your games
>>572637828against mcginnis? no does that even workyou can continue ulting through cube and bunny but i dont really play ult build anymore
>max ult after mark on Mirage>68s ult CD>splitpush all game>show with my team for fights>notice minion wave crashing somewhere else>ult out to get a walkerAlso question how can you tell if the rift is favored for you?
>Drifter in night shift>Feeding RETARDEDLY hardKEEEK
>>572637947>wall and heal + hoping that your team will do something off of itgrim
>>572637967install qol lock or do the soul math in your head it scales linearly 0-15% nw diff i think
>>572638186>20k passive turret dmg every game
What elo does escalating exposure graves stop working?
>silver picked in night shiftSHES STILL S+++ TIER
>>572638274oh boy; just because the turrets do damage doesn't mean they secure advantage in any reasonable formgeist has the same damage cope, she can go top1 damage but lose anyways because she doesn't secure killsturrents are a mild annoyance at best, unless there's 5 of them they can be ignored, and if there are 5 of them people can easily focus them or refuse to engage
>>572638549>Gets bebop hooked into the walker stomp and rapedA-AWOOOOOOo
Why the names of Deadlock "pros" are so retarded?Compared to names of CS2 pros, Deadlock pros look really stupid
>>572638549i mean her kit is still pretty overloaded with free items, it's just that her ult isn't always up now and you have to actually play around it
Nerf Mystic Vulnerability already
>>572637547As powerful as he looks when he is 1v4ing, he is not easy to pilot and has no instawin button that's nigh uninteractive.
Why isn't S+++ilver carrying I thought she was meta defining
>>572639086>if you got hands you have no weaknesses outside against fed m1ggersthere needs to be a limit to this
>>572637434Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute
>zxcbobi2011Is he 15 years old? lmao
That was pretty one-sided but that's to be expected. Everyone on Abrahams is better than everyone on Oblivion. I'm most interested in the Shiv itemization, I never considered running BRS on him
>>572639078what
>>572639713>BRSFirst thing that I thought when they changed his 2, given the prevalence of mystic vuln on his older builds.
Are you guys impressed of this high level silver gameplay?
>>572639717Nerf Mystic Vulnerability/Escalating Exposure
>>572639863It's nice seeing so much item variety on him now.
>>572639958>entire team got stomped>waifufags rush in to single out their main
>>572639086Shiv is extremely easy to play and any time he is anything less than top tier he gets massive buffs or reworks.
Gunmeta ruined deadlock
>>572640140Name 5 heroes that are harder than ShivAnd no, a character being bad doesn't mean they're hard
>>572640020why
>>572640075Still don't know what to think about the changes, but I kinda like Shiv being a gun/melee character, it just makes sense. It was bizarre to have his gun, especially his m2 be a peashooter.>>572640140Why don't you show us the scoreboard of your amazing Shiv stomps.
holy shit i am so sick of bebop and seven give me 2 bans for both these nigger heroes
>>572640294Its overpowered
>>572640315This jit plays street brawl
>>572639958Damn bros, she's literally me
>>572640383is it now?
>>572640517nta. Mystic vulnerability is alright, but EE is busted for the characters that can explot it.
>>572639958What happened to the other two east european teams? That is just an abrahams adjacent one.
>>572639958where were their big circle spirit heroes
>>572640276SinclairSevenBebopVenatorDynamoAll of these are harder to play than Shiv against actually competent players, since besides Sinclair and arguably Dynamo, none of them have multiple easy mode get out of jail free abilities like Shiv does in regards to mobility and tankiness.
>>572640616*dispels your EE stacks and heals*
>>572640134>Second lowest damage, lowest if you ignore the supportJust a coincidence I guessShe will carry next game trust
>>572640878Dispel does not matter for the characters good at using it.
>>572636698>Shiv and drifter feed billy in lane so hard that he talks their guardian and walker and comes over to our lane to shit on us>He has literally 20 kills>All he does is heavy melee but we still can't kill him even though we parry him 5+ times due to how ahead he is and he just sits there until our guardian is goneI do not enjoy this game
Nigga be lookin' like genderbent Tracer
>>572638962Aren't most heroes "overloaded with free items"
>>572640075>It's nice seeing so much item variety on him now.Except now spirit melee and lifestrike are now hard requirements on him
>shivsissies denying their character is easy modetime to give him another "rework"!
>>572636698Imagine being so low elo you get women and gays in your lobbies. Yikes.
troon game
>>572641346At least he buys gun items now
>>572640858Fucking lol.
>>572640858>Seven>Bebop> harder than shiv IN WHAT FUCKING UNIVERSE
>>572641537chaser game
Last patch made Shiv honest, Rem is now also honest and nerfed to shit, Silver is still dishonest and needs more nerfs
Ivy poosy
>>572640858>couldve just listed the hardest characters to prove some bullshit point nobody above oracle believes>instead chose these fucking benchwarmer chump champs
>Vin banWhat year is it?
>>572640436i wish they were contained to that shit ass game mode
>>572641346>only hit the first target in the dash, which is light melee so weaker effectsspirit snatch is still good but lifestrike is genuinely horrible on him. even melee lifesteal is kind of a meme as a laning item because you often find yourself dashing through a minion for +30 and then the enemy healing nothing and having a long ass cooldown from the light melee
>mfw I hear Geist say "Let's have fun, darling..." when you select her
>>572638818pov: rem
sorry missed game 1, didn't realize esports were on because trying to filter out all the troon spammers in this thread is hard.I like Abrahams draft more, but BE is just built different.also lol using super as mina.
>>572642107>Vin banMaybe people don't want her in their team. I can't win with her
Shiv is honest now (PBUH)
>>572642107>Buff Enjoyers vs Abrahams>Vindicta banIt really is a trip down the memory lane.
>>572642398They probably found some obscure strat with the character, snipe damage is disgusting this patch.
>get fed as Haze>win instantly>get fed as Victor>win instantly>get fed as Graves>win instantly>get fed as Apollo>win instantly>get fed as Venator>*crickets*
>>572642378>silver completely ignored???She's S+++ tier???
>>572642818>get fed as Silver>feed enemy team after 20 minutes and lose the advantage completely
>>572642986Silver does literally nothing with a lead, getting a lead on a support is unironically more important.
>buff enjoyers getting raped
>>572638750a bad geist doesnt contribute anything other than occasional bombsginnis with a 30 sec unmissable ult, %hp and stamina heal, the best "cc" in the world with wall and turrets shitting out free slows and -spirit resthen you have a very easy gun to play around and you cant really lose lane either
>>572643354Too early, abrahams has consistently flopped when scaling kicks in against buff enjoyers for a few weeks now
>>572626139these are the teammates you get in your rank up games
>>572641434Look at how upset these fags got just for implying that having a character with 2 dashes + absurd free movement with the shotgun is easy mode, on top of the fact that he is absurdly tanky and shits out damage.>>572641834>>572642093
vraic my goat with the viscous RAPE
uh oh melty
Why is Bebop always the one who runs urn?
>>572637276PSA for people who are new at the game:Stay at 1/6th hp and pray for a healing orb or wait/do boxes for enough souls to drop to get a rite. If you back to base, your nigger lanemate will make it a point to steal three waves solo as fast as he can before you get back, dumpstering the lane phase for the both of you in his endless greed.
>>572621123Why did Kelvin go up so much? He wasn't even touched and I don't think and of the item changes help him.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOOOIIINGG
Why do infernus players perma larp about their character being bad?
>>572644849everyone has lower health means that his heals are better
>>572644928>lower hp buffer to managemakes even less sense
>>572644918Because he's good but not OP. You feel like a retarded neutered dog running around while Pocket fucks your wife even if you're good on paper
>drifter wr swung up 5% overnightWill he also get panic nerfed after 3 days like Graves or will he get to be overtuned for like a month? Tune in next week to find out.
Putting shiv ult reset in base kit might've been a mistake...
>>572645556Shiv is a mistake of a character, he's back to being as broken as he was on release.
The rift minions need to be beefier
Every shiv nerf is somehow a buff
whats the counter to a billy pressing 2, then 1, then 1 again (recharging rush), then 3 (resets 1) and then 1 again all in the span of two seconds (you just lost 70% of your hp for no effort)
>REM buffed Rift Troopers
>>572645665It's because the nerfs accumulate into a total rework for the character that makes him overpowered again. Same thing happened last time when they made his knives OP again, and now he's just flat out OP in every way.
>Could've banned Mirage>Could've banned Shiv>Bans VindictaDeserved loss, they probably had an aneurism and thought they were back in 2025.
>>572645556>a mistake...No, resetting execution ults is in basically every moba at this point.His is just actually fun since he zooms by.
>graves nerfs>rapes hero to uselessness and never seen in DNS>apollo nerfs>make hero sub 45 winrate in all ranks >victor nerfs>genuinely make him unplayable in some patches (the 70% lifesteal effectiveness kek)>abrams and shiv nerfs>somehow buffed with a different playstyleold hero negros are the most tar black baboon downplayers possible. Consider suicide for even daring to talk about balance to these retarded devs
Abrahams W. draft mattered more than skill.
>>572645946Shiv is so fucking boring to play against too, he's so obnoxiously mobile and nearly impossible to punish. It's like if Pocket was tanky.
>>572646010>graves nerfsGood>apollo nerfsGood>victor nerfsGoodFuck 'em.
People don't know it but she is unironically S tier this patch. As she can passively keep lanes pushed by maxing out her 2 and getting at least 2 points into her ult. Keeping lanes pushed is even more of a major win condition this patch than anything.
>>572646181M1gger seethe lmao.
>>572646034every time i watch night shift i think hmmm i should play shiv. then i play shiv and i get my monkey ass raped
>>572646010Abrams got reworked into being Victor, so of course that's OP. Shiv has basically always been OP as fuck and his entire kit is so overloaded that he might as well be a modern League of Legends character.
>>572643458>30s>ultit's 24s if you buy every duration item in the game, realistically it lasts 16 with surge and 19 with duration + surge.it's "easy" to use, but if people aren't 0iq they will hold W and rape you in close range, also anyone with a brain buys knockdown and you're set back 6.4k for indom, at which point you do no damageyou WILL LOSE to an m1gger holding lmb; it works if you're ahead but anyone works in that case.shit does not feel like a 200s cd button currently>healyou have to be stationary to get full value which people don't doalso stamina regen never does anything important unless you're resetting a celeste or someone similar>wallwall is OK, depending on matchups you can get thrown against a team that gives 0 shits about it or you luck out and get someone like infernus>turretsare ass excluding mid setups (rift setups are also ass because los breaking is free there)>gungun is alright
>>572646181>AIIIIEEEEE I WANT NO NEW HEROES TO BE IN THE GAME AND LOSE THE WHOLE PLAYERBASE>>572646250It’s so crazy how people in dlg tweak over new heroes becoming OP like as if they could make any new designs match egregious niggers like shiv, abrams, or pocket.
so should seven be able to 1v1 someone or was my seven right about running from any fight without ult
>>572646587Seven is a victim. You can't 1v1 anyone besides, like, Paige. Just hide and farm like a good boy until you have ult for a big teamfight.
>>572646587big fat "it depends"
>>572646578I mean I think Graves, Apollo, and Victor are all dog shit designs, but it doesn't make Shiv and Pocket being disgustingly broken and unfun to play against any better. At least Abrams is kind of fun to play against.
>>572646587if you can land a stun and magdump when they are stunned = ezotherwise run
>get in game>play like shit>lane partner plays even worse>another lane is also playing like shit>eventually escalates into 'why the fuck aren't you helping us BROOOOOL, fuck lanes, let our walker die we need kills'>win anywaywe didn't deserve it but fine
>>572642818>get fed as Venator>*crickets*just snipe people with your 2k damage railgun
>>572642272her idea of fun is being elbow deep in your ass
>>572646587seven can only 1v1 with echo shard stun. if they get counterspell+dispel, then that plan falls apart too.
>>572646773>abrams is fun to play against
>>572647126I said 'kind of' you faggot. No wonder you like Chainsawman, you can't fucking read.
>>572646010I don't get why they don't just remove Shiv's mobility tech, really feels like a "it's classic so it says" kind of deal.
>>572646979Which arm? This is important
getting raped by victor+rem 1v2 is kinda fun btw
>>572647359He really shouldn't have it, it was always overpowered as shit and people liked to pretend it took skill, but it's literally just turn around 90 degrees and alt fire while crouching/sliding.
>don't eat shit on Silver for once>this happens
>>572647269no I read ityou’re just an abrams player pretending being cc’d by a tanktard that does insane damage too is fun. Nice try on downplaying your badly design old hero, retard
>>572639958this cunt needs a squishy gun build already
>>572647442what the fuck is happening? how do you have 41k and the DCs have 1k, you kept playing like 20 mins after they DC'd?
>>572647447I don't play Abrams because I think the way he plays currently is extremely boring since he's just Victor with a stun. I think the game as a whole has only been getting worse over time.
NO NOO WHY ARE YOU PICKING INFERNUS AGAIN
Is their Coach on holiday, why is Buff Enjoyers Draft so BAD?
honestly, don't like either of these drafts.but it's looking like BE is going to give up their title this week.
>Another Vindicta banOk, what do they know?
WHAT THE FUCKWHY ARENT THEY PICKING SILVER???SHES FUCKING S+++ TIER AND THEY BUFFED HER LAST PATCH!!!
>"valve is going to ban mods"like how they banned them in TF2?
>>572647762Footmeta being kept secret
>>572647705The creature in the middle is AI right
>>572647705this guy can't be real
When are they gonna buff Mo, Bebop, Miku, Paige and Mina substantially. Why are these characters neglected.
>>572647861sv_pure 3 is getting implemented
>street brawl>enemy team is all half hp or lower and in bad positions, we're all healthy, no big ults to worry about, but if we wait they'll just heal up with their actives and rem>go in>2 of my teammates are shooting creeps at mid sitting at our tower while a 2v4 happens>diewhy do these guys pick street BRAWL if they're going to larp and farm like it's normals
>>572647861sv_pure exists, whether you think that was because of profanity or cosmetics will depend on how cynical you are.
>>572648007Mina doesn't need buffs, she's OP but not good for AoE slop rift fights.
>>572648007>Minano
>>572647936mod link?
>>572648262it's called feet in the hideout
Watching night shift, why are the soul orbs so visible before becoming active? Where is that setting?
i like silver
>>572648776me too :3
>>572647705>Vindicta banNow before the tier lists come out, I just want to say I always hated this character.
Am I just shit or is Venator simply useless? No matter what I do never carry with him, even with a massive soul lead. Even on the best case scenario I just end up with a few kills and millions of assist. It just feels like he does nothing besides being an ult bot, AT BEST, and even then other ultbots and 10 times better than him
>>572648927he's S+++ tier just like S+++ilver
>>572648927Same, when anyone else plays him they have a lot of kills
why do lower ranks not understand that in the late game OBJ denial like Mid Boss is worth like 3x a fucking walker.I could give a shit less if we get the last walker. If we win a fight deny them mid and we win anyways.Hell WITH mid boss we can still get the walker...also Drifter scales like a MOTHER FUCKER in late game holy shit dude
I just played my first ever game where a Silver got fed!and we still only won cause Abrams got fed as fuck
>clearly aiming hook towards enemy>teammate slightly moves in front of it the last millisecond>hook grabs them insteadfuck this retarded character
>>572649337A fed Silver is probably the least threatening fed hero possible.
Shiv changes are getting somewhat reverted, he's now spirit proper.
lolhttps://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/688635449342693095
>>572647559Just having a blast
>gun shiv is gonethank fucking god
>>572649670>>572649687so... we really REALLY have no idea what to do with Shiv, huh?
>shiv already nerfedHONEST CHARACTER, HUH GUYS?
>>572650132The problem is the game still needs more characters. You can only adjust shiv so much before it becomes clear he just needs some weird niggers that fuck with him specifically If you want him to both be played and stoppable.
question because im retardedsometimes characters like warden or shiv or abrams dont take any damage and all I hear is a "glass" breaking soundthe fuck is this and what does it mean?
Hopefully now having shiv on my team won't be an instant loss
the changes were made to counter fight the new heroes in the alpha alpha
>>572649670>>572649687??? this is just a fucking buff. he got a ton of crazy shit to "make up" for not being able to mash dash with infuser/reverb to be invincible in cramped fights, but now he can do that again, his dash does more damage, and the only buff he lost is that he "only" executes at 28% instead of 30%, still higher then it was before btwand you could already build hybrid shiv, so his gun having fixed spread buffs that too
Shiv is honest now, and that's a good thing!
>>572650586probably a barrier, for example, spirit shielding item
>>572650856so do I just keep shooting until it goes away?cause ive kinda just been doing that
>>572650927yeahceleste has a barrier ability that, when popped, silences anything near her (its a small radius)but other than that they're just temporary extra hp pretty much
does anyone actually enjoy these messy pit fights where no one knows what's going oneven in pro matches everyone looks totally lost and is just shooting whoever with 0 target priority
>>572651121The pros can also barely see anything, and they are all also screaming targets and information out at the same time.
>>572651121>>572651267Go back to CS2 if you can't handle MOBA fights.
>>572651289no i think it's the pit specifically, i think it's something about the scenery and all the troops and the patron shitting itself that make it tough to tell what's happeningif it was just me i'd attribute it to me being a shitter, but you can see the same thing happening to pros
BE W. GAME 3. trackball seven 2stronk.>>572647939>>572648005he's beta testing DLSS 5 for us.
>>572616367I accept your concession. :P>>572617452He was responsible for the "Silver is S tier" psyop so I can't really trust what he says these days
>>572648927You can get value out of Venator, but it is a fucking struggleeasily one of the hardest characters to master in the game, but I wouldn't say he's useless
>>572651121I thought it was just me, I can barely tell what's going on during most pit fights and just hyperfocus on targets instead.
>quit two years ago when there were no ranks, only invisible mmr>come back recently, wonder what my old mmr was like in terms of rank>look up my old games>a lot of the regular names in my games back then are pros now and one is literally playing on the streamwtf
>>572648927he's just balanced. decently tanky, decent gun, decent punch, etc. he's cool but he's not a wild and crazy rape machine like half the roster(the other half is useless and which half is which can vary depending on the patch)I can't aim his holy balls in the slightest though so he's actually shit
>>572652012post a game then anon
>>572646215lane pressure, famously a thing that's uniquely powerful on this patch specifically
Why don't they show the "most bought items" on night shift anymore? You know, the list that's always topped by Extra Regen and High Velocity Rounds
why are they blasting cutscene music over the commentary on the stream right now
>>572648896My guess is that she is dealing too much damage in lane, 2.3 scaling in snipe is absurd. 1.9 was too much a few patches ago.
>>572649670>>572649687Shiv should just be removed, just like every other character prior to the six new heroes update. They're incomplete, their kits are bad, they aren't worth the effort of retooling them.
I think this last patch was overall positive, and i do like that there's more action on the map thanks to the unstable rift but the core issue still persists where man, it feels like teamfight heroes are just so much more valuable now. Is it just going to be like this forever now? There's a pocket every game because you get to press 4 and win the rift for your team and that single-handedly wins the game. I like teamfights, but having so many of them and them mattering so much makes the game so lopsided.
>another update DURING A LIVE TOURNAMENTRETARDED FAGGOT YOSHI LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>572652476This is kino actually, watching teams try to make sense of changes in real time is fun
>>572651121no but it's a moba so you HAVE to have a giant mess of spam and vfx so there can be epic hype plays. plus matches would basically never end without midboss because mobas are trash
>>572649670>>572652428Genuinely just delete bloodletting, i don't know why they insist on him having it. Its a broken ability. The character will never be ok so long as he has it
>>572648927I don't know how he is after the boon changes (net nerf), but Venator was pretty balanced last patch, he's just too honest. All round good but you need to be good in the game all around, he doesn't have the baby damage assists, easy escapes and easy stuns that other m1s have.
>>572631398>>Arctic blast>Dmg ampGot removedStill holds them still long enough to crown them
>>572652453urn not being visible and not being able to choose WHEN rift goes up is dumb.It leads to weird snowballs that shouldn't exist in higher ranked games.I liked how urn WAS before. The KOTH mechanic let teams choose when to fight.Also it completely disintegrating if you stall it out is neat but poorly done I feel. I dunno if theres any better way to do it honestly but fighting a retarded Kelvin whos entire job IS to stall is frustrating when hes the only mother fucker on the rift then we lose it anyways.
>>572648896>>572652401Is pure spirit vindicta back to being a thing? I really liked playing her when i didn't have to m1 outside ult
She wasn't picked again...
>>572652716Don't really know, but Vin isn't used as an m1 in DNS anyways.I've toyed with a full snipe build in recent patches and had good results.
So is Abrams dead? I haven't seen a single team pick Abrams
why the fuck are there so many smurfs on phantom/asc
I am not a Geist believer. I think Talon is weak again too.I think BE will protect their crown.
This nigga DDK looks like one of the monsters from the backrooms movie
>>572646578>It’s so crazy how people in dlg tweak over new heroes becoming OP like as if they could make any new designs match egregious niggers like shiv, abrams, or pocket.i think people are just tired of watching heroes with insane bullshit kits become OP over and over. But we also know IceFrog would never ship a hero that's lacking in bullshit and OP abilities, so that cycle also isn't leaving anytime soonOn top of that, the game has been reworked so many times in the last few patches that specfiic heroes keep benefitting heavily from the game getting reworked every two weeks; reaching levels of fucking hitler tyranny never thought possible.It's as hilarious in retrospect as it is devastating for the game's meta in practice.
>shiv is fucking terrible now!!! you lose if he's on your team!!!>is first pick material on nightshiftas usual the deadlock general has their fingers on the pulse of the meta. seeker players are deadlock's most intelligent race just like filipinos
>>572652946eternus players who got in early realizing they get raped hard in their rank so they have to hop on their alt that holds their true rank
>>572652946Its just where eternus smurfs end up after playing like 20 games
>>572653102>regular games = nightshift"pros" gamesretard
Shiv win rate was down by 3% since the patch. it was only 24 hours but still seems drastic. he was around 48% last patch.
>Zerggy on SevenDEATH TO MY ENEMIES!!!!!!!
Shiv got his spirit back in the patch just nowRest in piss gun shiv you won't be missed
>>572653102>/dlg/ is a hivemind that only shares one opinionI'm about to burst your bubble little guppie, but we all don't share the same opinions on everything herethis gen has never come to a full consensus on how powerful characters like paige, shiv or silver are either, and they aren't going to start now
Doorman is such a cringe fucking character literally everything about him pisses me off. Even his animations are obnoxiousBuff enjoyers fucking lost for letting this sexual deviant out on the streets of new york
>>572653430I kinda liked it.
>>572653430so overall shiv got a buff nowgreat
>>572653493>I'll get you settled.
cam on buff enjoyers score some fackin goals
>>572653681Get your hands off my fucking purse I don't know you
>Sending Drifter to lane into Doorman and GTwhy did they think this was going to work
>>572653493*carts you into walker/spawn*
>>572653514It was kinda antithetical to what every Shiv build was before to be fair.>>572653520Let's hope the matchmaking update comes with balance changes. In the past major updates always did so I'm still on my hopium tank.
Who's on my ban list?Drifter.Braindead hero that scales way too much
>>572653725>The Baroness awaits.
I'm not reading patch notesWhy is Holliday apparently cancer now?
this doorman plays like a shitter
COMEBACK STARTS NOW
>>572654139Barrels are hitscan now
>>572639958>niggas really thought the drifter buffs would move the needlehes still the same character. dont even bother
>>572653681>>572653883When the urn runner is alone
>>572654139>Why is Holliday apparently cancer now?This but Drifter
>>572654193All doorman players are shitters. If they weren't, they wouldn't be doorman players.
Okay so Drifter is still ass I see
So was it worth it for Zerggy to skip out on the rift fight and take a walker instead? Why can't you just show up to rift fight then take a walker afterward using the rift troopers?t. ritualist
>>572654379I'd rather fight a doorman than a mid-late game drifter.so fucking braindead
>>572654139they turned powder keg into a nuke that she has in her pocket at all timesand she also has 3 of these nukes
vraic just threw the series
>>572654718Ok imagine if he hit the lasso though
>>572654540hes rich cause he took a walker plus the slot the walker gives
>>572654640>>572654259wait they buffed holliday?no WONDER i've seen so many of those fuckers in my gamewhat a dogshit free character dude, she can fly at mach fuck either towards a fight or away from a fight and you cant do SHIT against her
holy shit
Throw Enjoyers
nice seven ult LMFAO
Minus 1min on rejuv was a great changeThis game would be over off that one fight last patch
>>572652917>So is Abrams deadFor some reason EU doesn't like him anymore, and abraham's abrams was hoot who is now on buff enjoyers and isn't in a position to play abrams anymore.He still performs adequately when MLC runs him.
How are they gonna remodel GT's nerf bow to no stand out so much
the seven ult animation is so fucking cool man
why can't zerggy just play a normal carry like Wraith or someone, why keep forcing Seven when he's so shit
>practice GT bird>profitshrimple
gg
Disable the ability for Doorman to place doors at mid boss. It removes all the risk and decisionmaking out of it since you can just tp away at any moment.
>>572655694they need to delete gt from the game already. entire kit is unfun to play with and against.
>>572653102nightshift is a circlejerk of potent delusions who play the game in an even more narrow set of circumstances that pubs so any data obtained from them is useless. i would take 1000 seeker games as a dataset over the 8 nightshift games every time
after playing three rounds of riftlock please for the love of science just give us deadlock classic what the fuck are these changes
Can any high rank graves explain why echo shard takes priority over anything else? I get lots of skulls = lots of damage but why not invest it into CDR instead which helps out everything in your kit??
Do they need to add a stronger snowball mechanic? This game was over like 10mins ago but it just keeps going because it's too hard to push base
They fumbled that comeback hard
you guys just dont understand that we NEEDED drifter for this comp
>>572652917who cares who they play. drifter is right there, will probably by 2 punch items and feed his ass off. these game picks are worth shit
>>572655887>high rank>graves
>still assSimilar to how Shiv is OP no matter the nerfs, Drifter is shit no matter the buffs
>>572656415Seriously why would you ever pick drifter in proplay? Unless they add a actual jungle role to deadlock he will just always be a int pick.
EU has a new champion.
Remove riftslop already
>>572656606seven is so weak........need buffs..........
>>572656606why does my gooball support have more damage than my fed m1 carry
>>572656606
>NA is such a joke region it gaslit everyone into think Dimov was goodThe best NA player would be just mid in EU
>>572656486Drifter is kinda like TF2's Spy, shit because he's reliant on a gimmick that only really works in disorganized clusterfucks.
>>572656737Tankbuster
>>572656606>ricochet geistis that item good on her? she doesn't even apply debuffsi guess he has crippling headshot but is that really it?
>xhe's not a board membershiggy.
>>572657167Eskay is literally a rich millionaire streamer and she can't afford more than the $25 tier?
>>572657238>she
>>572649670>Shiv's rework reverted within a day.If only they did that to Vinny as well...bonus souls on snipe is dearly missed.Unfortunately she isn't any dev's favorite.
>Shiv: Slice and Dice is now back to doing spirit damage and reducing Spirit Resistance from enemieswell that didnt live long
>>572656606>drifter sucks>gets buffs that do anything for the reason he sucks>gets picked and still sucksshocking
>>572657238you want to pay more for a dead on arrival game?
>>572657392was it because it sucked or was it because it was broken. i only saw 1 shiv last night and they we're awful
>>572657046ricochet doesn't even work with crippling headshot. i think it's technically possible, but 99% of ricocheted bullets are bodyshots due to how the bullets angle, even if the original bullets hit the head. you can try it in sandbox if you don't believe me
>>572657557Seemed pretty fucking broken in the four games i played
>>572657443Seems to be a trend to never actually adress the issue, look at Pocket's nerfs per example or half of the disgusting roster that wasn't even touched this patch.
>they keep showing Super's gay crossdress cosplay
>>572658167Why do you think they call it flopping tranny deadcock
How do you respond to having this on your team without sounding mad?
>>572658525usually i'm the one going 5-24, not my teammates
>>572658167This guy is greasier than a new york cheese pizza
S+++lver picked, MLC W.
>>572658167white men are so hot bros......
why celeste deals so much damage now??? what the fuck is going on???
>>572659019>now
SILVER PICKED
>>572659019Bwo your Enchanter's Emblem + Spirit Shielding + Spirit Resilience + Spellbreaker + Witchmail?
>>572658816don't lordnm and eido have beef? now they're on the same team?
>>572659019Aww is the m1ggew angwy :(
>>5726564862/4 of drifters skills are passives so he feels like a castrated character my suggestions would be>mark casts a limited range projectile, works the same if it strikes enemies, the mark can also be left on terrain for him to rapidly shadow phase towards it's not a teleport, the mark can be destroyed after a moment>bloodscent scouts a targeted area and momentarily reveals any enemy; weakest enemy near drifter has a heartbeat, max rank causes the darkness effect from eternal night>eternal night is some kind of an actual attack maybe he can displace enemies like wolverine in rivalsso that would make him a roaming frontline with vision niche
>>572659242The commentators mentioned that. Beef over what? Running into each other in a pub?
>>572657238>dude if you don't torch $100/$250 monthly you must not be able to afford itdo you also think all black people are wealthy and affluent because they own designer clothing?
they're making vyper ugly in the next major update btw
>>572659606they're both brown kids, eido is a stereotypical californian liberal, and lord is a stereotypical /pol/ enthusiast.
>>572659468you're a stupid nigger and your rework doesn't fix him. it just adds more button pushes for the sake of button pushes and your mark proposition would make him doorman #2 or be completely useless.
>>5726598532 more weeks, trust the plan.
i like drifter
>>572659890oh so lord is retarded
>They expand the "Meet the" series to deadlock>but it's just the heroes each taking a shit and monologuing about Taco Bell
>>572659935giving him a complete kit and teamfighting skills doesn't fix drifter?
>>572660018imagine waking up one day and this sex demon is gone forever
>>572660212https://youtu.be/bHELi0Kx8FM?si=ctUUf1F_bqe0XTe8
NEW HERO IN SECRET ALPHA
>>572659853>>572660263Everyone liked Cobra Vyper when it was leaked, what changed?
>>572657557It looks like they undid it after together overperformed, which means the devteam is partially balancing around 12 east europeans right now.
>>572660542>Cobra>VyperKind of a generic design as well.
>>572660156and super schizo.
>>572659853fake news. that's the artist's personal project from over a year ago.His kit is already complete. you already admitted he "... feels like a castrated character..." because they're passive abilities, so you added manual button pushing without making them better. then you propose you add a limited range to an ability that already had infinite range with the trade off being a worse haze smoke bomb because you have to move towards the mark's placement. same shit with bloodscent mark. eternal night already has a lot of utility and you want to add a displacement attack on it too? jesus.stupid.nigger.
>>572660542they just need to make the face not look like completely aids you don't do something like the ivy rework and then throw a turd into people's faces
rofl watching billy try to do a single point of damage against talon is hilarious
>>572660780paragraph was meant for >>572660216
>>572657557it doing damage amp that stacks and has a duration roughly twice as long as the cooldown once upgraded meant that you could stack it with resist shred to do some truly goofy damagebut because it was melee damage and lifestrike sucks ass, it also meant you would often just get yourself fucking killed trying to dash through stuff to actually get thereit lead to the worst case situation where the move is either extremely bad or extremely strong depending on the situation
>>572655887High rank graves players don't run echo shard anymore. Echo 1 is trash at high elos because people actually know how to kill skulls quickly, echo 2 is better but absolutely not worth rushing and more or less exists to make your midboss contest super strong.Shitlow players run echo because it WAS super strong before and they just haven't really been paying attention to the three damage nerfs skulls got. Doubling your skulls was a huge power spike so the faster you got there, the better, especially with the melee/koth urn forcing big teamfights every 5-6 minutes.>CDRIt doesn't benefit her base kit very much, though with the nerf to her jar charge rate you can make a better argument for it (if you just use your jars carefully, it's still not really very necessary). You'd mostly get CDR so you can use your items more, since it's a very active-heavy build, so it's a luxury buy for when games last super long.>>572656482An E6 graves player is probably better than 99% of people posting in this thread. Making that character work in that elo is legitimately difficult.
>>572660542>>572660263>dude this animal is sexy
>>572660263
>>572660542It better look closer to this than discount Ivy 2
>>572661151
>>572661019Vyper is hardly an animal. The actual sexy quadruped fox hero will come later.
>>572661019human wom*n are all witches
>>572661163take a closer look yourself here>>572661151
ZESTY ixian prince
>>572661386That's Discount Ivy 1AkaUgly
>>572661019where do you live that animals look like that
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Graves x Apollo would’ve been 100x more kino if the genders were swapped>sporty arrogant demoness >gloomy emo outcast
>>572655887>echo shard>for graves 1this nigga
>>572661019this but with ivyfags
>>572661602texas
>>572661792You're just saying this because you want to be the gloomy emo chud that scores the sporty arrogant demoness.
>>572661792apollo would just be sword mina
fat girthy lash ult from eido, jesas
>buff and nerf shiv simultaneously>revert the nerfs>forget to revert the buffs toouhhhhhhh
>>572661976So what if I am?>>572661019Newfag
>all in on shiv>all die>lose mid boss, base, and urnMy wife is so strong.
>>572661976yes
>>572662228Expecting Shiv to ever be balanced is foolish, surely you saw how disgusting he was on release, right? He was easily the most overpowered hero ever put in the game, and Icefrog is obsessed about making sure he gets back to that state
>>572662636>>572662636>>572662636>>572662636
>>572660882*phantom strikes you*
