>doors are the Imperium's strongest weapon edition editionPreviously on /coopg/: >>573465980>Latest News/UpdatesDarktide:Skitarii Alpha Primus has arrived.https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/skitarii-alpha-primus-is-coming-to-warhammer-40-000-darktide/121730Hotfix 1.11.6 - Patch Noteshttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-11-6-patch-notes/121381Kuli's guides for beginners:https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210Vermintide 2:Weapon balance update! Patch 6.11.0 patch noteshttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/weapon-balance-update-patch-6-11-0-patch-notes/121528>Also Exist:Space Marines 2 (check /vm/ for general)Deep Rock GalacticHelldivers 2PaydayThe Outlast TrialsKilling Floor 2BarotraumaLeft4Dead 2Ready Or NotGTFONo More Room in Hell 2Remnant 2Earth Defense Force 6WWZThe Forever WinterKilling Floor 3John Carpenter's Toxic CommandoFar Far West:and others>Future gamesDen Of Wolves - TBADarkSwarm - TBABlight: Survival - TBADeep Dish Dungeon - TBA>Build planners:Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
here's me
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
ATTENTION BLOCK FODDERYou're a cool guyThat is all
What an awful day to be playing Auric.
Is it a bug or feature that crushers are so quiet?I've heard them make sounds but it's both infrequent and uncommon compared to everything else.
>>573591001>Is it a bug or feature that crushers are so quiet?at this point, the answer is debatable
>>573591001At this point it's a feature so they can sneak up on you
>budding interrogator>has no idea how to playAmazing.
>>573591001>Playing on the right side of the dark communion finale past the barrier cultists and at the bottom of the stairs>Hear the sound a reapers smacking his minigun, which indicates he's about to shoot>Turn around and 4 reapers have jumped down off a 30 foot ledge and landed behind me without making a sound except for them starting up their gunsAll Ogryn enemies seem to be equipped with sound dampening shoes or something because I can hear dog footsteps just fine from rooms away
>>573591195i wish he'd interrogate me nuts buddy
us there a reason to play TW arby over EO arby - other than penance
>>573591806no
Should I just drop down to Damnation from Auric for Diamantine? I cannot keep carrying every mission only to wipe at the end because I can't carry samples alone.
Nyeheheheh....Nyohohohoho!!!!.... Skibidi.........
True Grit?More like True Shit!
*raise paw* I do like True Grit!
Noosy makes keeping flensing up so trivial
>>573572808I'll give you the Hive Scum 'cause I forgot they can use it and never remembered to try it on them. I can see the rending and other buffs being adequate on Scum. But Zealot does not make the Heavy Sword work. There're too many Crushers and Maulers for the Heavy Sword to be sustained by Zealot's abilities.
Presuming that you're taking it into h40s with blight spreads, how would you improve this hive scum build?
>>573593094By declining it because crate spam is fucking useless dogshit and you are griefing by not taking your good ability.>but anon you MUST change at least one thing about this buildOkay, take some 60% viscosity stimm instead of being a useless cunt. Crates are still pretty underwhelming but at least this way you'll actually do something.
>>573593235The crate is for shielding everyone from the green goo, do you suggest an alternate way of dealing with it?
>>573593454Yes, it's called "don't stand in the circle retard" and bringing a zealot to deal with the chip of running through it to reposition. A health curio with corruption res also works fucking wonders, but apparently everyone is addicted to toughness curios despite being under permanent cover of smoke or bubble or gold toughness or all three at the same time.
I need to start memorizing mission names so I know which quickplay missions to drop out of immediately.
>>573591695>hear a LOUD fucking thundering >it's a single dog stuck in the spawn door that's about to come out>meanwhile six crushers just snuck up on my team and killed two of them with a silent overheadchaos warriors never did this shit to me.
>>573593094Bring a real stim, at least 50% viscosity to get the critical node bare minimum. You don't NEEEEEED 100% immunity to goop at all times, 50% viscosity CDR is generous enough to keep everyone topped off, and occasionally make aggressive pushes through goop.Headtaker > shred Although this is preference. Scum already has a fuckload of crit.I would those toughness curios for another stam and health, purely because the most often way to die as scum is someone got a little too careless with a poxburster.
>>573593656I could do those things, but I can't make my team do them.
>>573594252You can select teammates that do not do these things. Alternatively, you can be the one making space to stop the enemy line's advance and limit the amount of circles on the ground for your retards to stand in.
>>573577623>give it to zealot No I don't think we will. We'll just add sisters which will be extermely popular and profitable and zealotfags can seethe impotently
hive scum is awesome because I'll be dodging around completely untouched and then out of nowhere just go down and I can't even tell what got me. It's like gambling.
At this point I see more HIV scum without pickpocket, than with it. I feel like there's really no excuse to not have it included in every build unless you plan to just go pure melee. But the amount of HIV scum that play ranged builds and dont use it is infuriating. I might just start blacklisting them from my games
>>573593454that anon has a hate boner for crate, but in my experience it works great.
>>573595787I don't need it for aurics. It's a waste of points. There's more than enough ammo.
flesh tearer or uncanny strike on rampage shivs?
Is this supposed to be happening?
>>573596403atoma is healing
>>573596403the 6th unionized and demanded time off
>>573596403We won the live service game
>>573596403Sure why not. Devs are on summer holiday.
We won the war boys
>>573596890>all the cultists kidnapped Sneedstealers confirmed
>>573596890We beat the Darktide
ok man, i didn't want to play today actually
you WILL play havocThis is nonnegotiable.
>>573596890>>573597174tide's closed
>Devs are so mad that everyone hates expeditions that they took away the main mode as a punishmentDarktide IS expeditions now you ungrateful karkers
>>573597174>>573596890Peacehammer 40,000
>>573596819>Sven was manually adding and probably making the missions this whole timeI fucking knew it.
>>573597325>the AI director is a real guy deciding what to spawn and when
mission accomplished, praise the emperor
Guess you have to play expeditions >:)
>>573597325I've had a theory that the "ai" director is actually one swede at a computer deciding if he wants to spawn silent bursters and this seems like evidence to that theory
>>573597424i already hit my 250k, they can't make me do more
>>573597414i would happily get paid to do that lol
>there really are no missionsKEK
>>573591001I haven't heard them engage in any form of banter eitherIt's weird that ogryns of all units follow op-sec the most strictly
>>573595787Pickpocket is useless unless you use needle pistol because- you can only make use of it when you spend all ammo to 0- it's suicide to run around with no ammoThe only reason it's useful for needler is that you are always building for melee when you take needler, and 10% ammo reserve for needler can be like 10 kills easily.Swedes started messing up with pickpocket because of needler and ultimately they ruined it for anything that's not needler in their typical fasion.The funny part is, I always see builds without pickpocket that use needler. Because frankly, needler is the only usable gun on scum.I blame youtubers that make builds without pickpocket but oh well, the value is that bad now.
>shops broke too these motherfuckers
>>573597414>this is why fatshark does so little>all employee time was dedicated to directing missions every hour of every day
>We got a lot of positive feedback on Expeditions recently. We'll be temporarily shutting down the main Mission Terminal to give our Side Modes an even bigger chance to shine!
>>573597424>>573597295Expeditions borked
Sorry bros, this is all me. I've been playing Darktide too much and it has been causing me sleep deprivation so the universe itself shut it down so that I have no choice but to sleep.
>>573597674>mauler>revving chainaxe, GONNA CRUSH YOU, LET ME THROUGH!>crusher >clanking footsteps and grinding armour plate as he moves, BREAK THE PUNY ONES It's so simple and makes them even more menacing. Also make them giga stagger resistant while you're at it so they don't get bullied by everyone #makecrushersscaryagain
>>573596403>>573596890>>573597174very cool of fatshark to give the playerbase time off to play palworld 1.0
past 5pm on a friday? guess I'll see you guys monday
>>573593991chaos GODiors had aura that crushers just completely lack
>>573597967>make them giga stagger resistantonly if you nerf carapace>b-butthe top 1% of weapons that melt everything in sight is NOT an argument
>>573597881Finally Fatshark did something right
>accidentally stood facing a guy afk and he started typing to me in roleplay
>>573597684>Pickpocket is useless unless you use needle pistol becauseFor me it's the opposite. The Needler has like 100 darts, ish? That's 100 dead snipers/bombers/flamers/etc. I might put 6 darts into a boss, but that's it. The rest i melee. However when I run dual guns i spam all game, so pickpocket becomes mandatory.
>>573598156based, post it
>>573597684>you can only make use of it when you spend all ammo to 0The fuck are you talking about, the moment you go below 20% reserve you can use it. If you go to 0 you get 20% ammo, if you go to 5 you get 15%. Do you people even play this game
>>573593094If you're only gonna take 1 stimm node you may as well just skip the custom stimm. That way you can at least apply stimms you find to the entire team.
>told to make a stimpack build is this what it feels like to get raped?
>>573597536>>573597414That would be really funny>>573597174>>573596890>>573596403Kek
mortis trials still works
>>573596890>>573597174>the war has been wonI guess we don't need sisters of battle anymore.Ok, pack it up rejects, clankers and cops, lets go home.
>I AM DEATH! >:3
doesn't this mean we cleared the planet? we can go home now?
i fardedundi shidded
>>573597174>>573596890>>573596403It's time for a Vermintide SURGE
WTFFF LET ME PLAY FATSHARK! I DONT WANT TO WATCH SPAIN-BELGIUM
They'll fix the enemy voices eventually right?...Right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPJm2llaRwQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qewqs10yJ5w
We saved Atoma
>>573598651You will watch grassdiving and you will be happy.
>When I go in and out of the shop the inventory changesThis game is falling apart
>going to special assignments crashes you to desktop try it, it happens 100% of the time
Where were you when war for Atoma was concluded?I was at the shitter.
>>573593454Don't mind the resident arbites schizo.Take more gunner resistance curios (2-3)Can take 1-2 stamina regenTake hyper violence instead of hyper criticalI don't think coated weaponry and all the related nodes are viable, it's a huge points sink for little gain. Toxic renewal is good if you use bone saw, but without it I'd completely ignore that cluster and spend points elsewhere (street tough, ramping backstabs for boss rape, regained posture if you don't want stamina on curios, booby trap, jittery)You might even skip sample collector since you have 100% uptime on crate anyway.
Now that the game is over: what went wrong?
>>573599327I was trying to do my final pox gas penanceNow I'm stuck at 49/50 and the emperor will never forgive me
>>573598651We'll probably lose I just hope we don't fumble like the US team.
>>573599327Same lol
>>573599383>the resident arbites schizo.I still don't know who the fuck that is and I still laugh at how badly he must have hurt you to live rent free in your head.
>>573599415Console crossplay throttled the game too much
>>573599415swedenthe finns would have never fucked it up this badly
>>573599660That's you, silly
>>573599765Please take your meds or rope, those are your two options.
>>573598290You are fucking retarded
Ratclic's working
>>573599937fuck by the time i download it i'll bet they fix whatevers going on in darktide
play helldivers
factorio has hordes of enemies you can shoot and you can play with friendsfactorio is a horde shooter
>>57360023240k warbond isn't out yet, pass
>>573600232I tried and got bored after 1 hour, the only game mode is expeditions
NMRiH2 is dogshit, right? First game is fucking great.
>KF3 SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTBlasthaverbros GET THE FUCK IN HEREhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g4LaR3nrYo
>>573599905Why are you doubling down on your low IQ misunderstanding of how the talent works
>>573600649it has never been more joever for killing floor
>>573600649Man, Tripwire really has been circling the drain ever since they released RO2, huh?
>>573600649I would rather stare at the empty mission board
at least I can still buy blues from my boy peddler 138/143
>>573598639Calling dibs on Necromancer. I love those skelly Bois
>>573600649
>>573598109Chaos warriors had that mean left hook to punish cunts that thought that their superior speed would let them prevail.
>>573599589You’re Belgian? Are your waffles really that good?
>>573600649>We can’t wait to get Season 4 into your hands later this month! Along the way we’ll be sharing more details about the Gunslinger and related Arsenal in the days ahead along with a more forward looking update to the KF 3 Roadmap and some more details about modding.OH SHIT looks like we're getting Gunslinger this month! Finally manhttps://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1430190/view/671748399637201545
>>573599675*average gamer was too retarded for anything above malice
>>573600649They’re talking oil rig???? Oh shit!!!!
>>573601584Political?
>>573599415>Now that the game is over: what went wrong?They never gave ogryn heavy bolter or power maul + slab shield weapon. :(
>>573601584Hell yeah bro it's the new map
>>573601371I'll be honest: yes they are super delicious, but it's not the ones you see in Brussels, those are tourist traps, if you ever have a belgian waffle, ask for a Liège one
so we're actually not going to get to play until monday is what i'm gathering
well, back to space marine 2 i guess lole
>>573601478>Season 4 on 1st year anniWE WON
>chaos jobbed out yet againgg ez
>>573597684>you can only make use of it when you spend all ammo to 0Whut
>>573600790nigger
fucking mortis trials I swear
>>573600649>stuff more than 10 feet away is impossible to seeWhat the fuck is with these visuals
>>573603443That was just the thumbnail mini preview anon
>>573603539No, I'm watching the stream
over under on them actually getting this fixed in the next hour?
Do you consider yourself a cooperative person, Anon?
>>573603734The entire office simultaneously went on vacation. They don't even know that anything is wrong.
>>573603734>in the next hour?bwahahaha precious newfriend, we're lucky to get it fixed within the week
do you think havocs work?
>servers down on Friday evening in EUHow could those swedoids allow this???
>open darktide for the first time in a year>error 9999epic
>>573603925They left the digital oven on and nobody remembered.
lol I don't think I've seen this many havoc lobbies in EU ever
I'm going back to ratclicker
>>573604010I am loading into a havoc right now
>>573604056It's too hot out thereCan't get to the office, sowwie~
Havoc's DO work, thank the swede
The Swedes have turned off their cell phones to enjoy a good weather day. A community manager janny is cashing in hot pocket box tops as we speak for a flight to Sweden so that he can personally tell someone that they need to reboot the servers
Sluta ha så stora krav på oss, ni förstår inte hur jobbigt det är att gå på semester. Ni är bortskämda
>>573604056>>573604067damn really? I was just playing earlier fuck
>>573600232i missed the supply car and i'm still mad about it. What a piece of shit system.
>>573604010I didn't realize the game was broken until I alt tabbed to the thread.
Day 17 of asking FatSwe to remove the movement speed penalty that come with the switch attack on transonic blades.Day 17 of asking FatSwe to speed up the switch attack animation on transonic blades.Day 17 of asking FatSwe to increase the block fames in the switch attack for transonic blades.
>>573604793How could you miss it? Pretty sure it was unlocked globally no?
>>573605285Apparently you had to participate in a mission within a 3 week time frame. But I was playing Darktide. Didn't know.
chances this is an actual genuine event and not a game breaking bug?
>>573605882how much copium are you on right now?
>>573605882
>>573598684>WRECKING CREEEWFor whatever reason Bulwarks work just fine, maulers most of the time, crushers only that one time they fixed them for like a patch.
Isn't a good idea to minimize your character height so gunners can't you see you behind objects so easily?
>>573605991I'm 60% copium in total.
>>573606107It makes clicking heads a little harder, and in some cases makes it impossible to get good cleavage
>>573605882>Ok so for the new event we take away the players ability to play the game
hey guys who wants to play text-based darktide
>>573606107That is one school of thought. Personally though I think its better to be as tall as possible so that you can better shoot specials over hordes
>>573605882Just crashed in the weapons customization tab because i navigated it too quickly.You get one guess.
Ok maybe now is not the best time to queue havoc, soloing twins + captain is not the best experience
>>573605285Have you missed the whole fomo debacle?
>>573606107You get mogged in lobby and end screen though
>>573606437So i'm not schizophrenic for thinking the game spawns double bosses a lot more frequently lately right?
>>573606107It's a good idea to make your character small and cute
>>573606107The best height is the one where one good horizontal crit cleave deletes the heads of every pox walker with arm's reach.
does commodore still work? cuz if that's borked we might see a solution sooner rather then later
Missions are back
>>573606614TAA dithering is not cute at all
Who?
>>573606573It's not more frequent, I'm in shitter trench and it's been like that for more than 2 years now, if you queue havoc 21-30 double bosses are very common, sometimes you can get 4 bosses, one of which will be twins (my record was twins + 2 captains + pogryn in havoc 21)
>>573606880it's horrible actually. Can i change it?
>>573606838matchmakings still fucked though
>>573606107It doesn't really help much in any situation.If you're too short you can't really cleave chaff heads that well and it's impossible to get a line of sight on things obscured by hordes.
>>573606107Minimizing your character's size is completely passive, when most defenses in this game are proactive. Once you git gud at sliding you stop fearing gunners, unless there's enough of them to melt you in the couple milliseconds of vulnerability period between slides. Even in havoc that takes like 4-5 with max gunner res.What you should fear is reapers with a buff, because you can't stagger or suppress them and they will just rape you lmao.Set your height to max. It's the proactive thing. Once you git gud, the advantage of being able to see and headshot shit better over hordes will outweigh the advantage of having a smaller hitbox.Skitarius at max height may be a little too tall for comfort in melee. I don't mind as I play a lot of ogryn.Ogryn should be at minimum height, else you really have to look down far in order to hit trash mobs. Max height gives you very little advantage, there are precious few spots in maps that let you look over cover by being tall. I THINK you can throw objects up tall places even at maximum normal human height, so ogryn doesn't need to be tall.
Wish these Swedes could stop being gay and just let me have fun by letting scum have this thing desu
combi flamer when
>>573607035Isn't the optimal height like 80% of the slider not 100%?
>>573606573Also this time it probably happened because I had to rush to a bugged ritual to explode it before it spawns a dh, and maybe I crossed some triggers on the way.But I didn't hear any cues until a first healthbar appeared, which was twins. I was wondering what's taking my retards so long while I was bullying ranged twin, and then they brought a second twin and a captain and the realization came.It doesn't help that I got a ranged twin on my ass as an ogryn, I failed dodges so many times lol.
>>573607164when you play the space marine 2 public test server
>>573607067>scum now gets flamer>havoc 40 now has a new psyker equivalent, but they both stack, and flamer is actually good at spamming brittleness>it remains completely ultra-nonviable in auric, especially after the recent wave of normie newfag shitters, because nobody will shoot snipers or bombers>some retard will cope about this and suggest to throw a shiv at them
>>573607007It's 2026, use DLSS
is the video game alive yet?
>>573606270ok sure anon lets roleplay here's my character sheet>pskyer>hime cut>flat chest>borderline retarded>can only use flame staffah another beautiful day on the morningstar my fellow operatives i cant wait to get some goyslop from the mess hall and then purge some heretics
>>573606214Height affects boobs?
>>573607210I've never done any exact testing on it. I set myself to max height on every class except ogryn, because I like being able to see shit. If I'm aware of something, it's infinitely less likely to kill me.Not sure what kind of advantage 80% would even have over 100%, it's not like anyone ever takes cover behind crates, it's all corners, smoke or bubble/wall.
>>573607392ty babe
>>573607392>I love hallucinated afterimages on everything
>>573607562Use FSR then
>>573607543indirectly, but the proportions stay the same
I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMOREOPEN UP THE FUCKING GAME I'M HAVING A WITHDRAWALHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP
>>573607562>le hallucinationsIt's 2k26 unc, you use this or sufffer through TAA's dithering rapefest. Also DLSS gives you free frames even at quality setting.
>>573607481>skitarius>cute reverent voice>Cyber-Falcon>somehow kills every monster in 3 plasma shots>gets mad when you lag behind but throws a skull at you anyway when you inevitably get netted 30 meters awayCan you pretend to go grab the 20 plasteel at the opposite side of the map and then nearly die to two poxwalkers so we can have an RP moment?
>>573607779i have more frames than i know what to do with but if it solves the hair issue im happy
>>573607765*takes 3 month long vacation*sorry sweetie we're EU-based
>>573607543the research says so
>>573607210Just like real life
We might have to launch a special military operation on Sweden.
ratclicker jsut isn’t the same broswhen are they releasing vermintide 3?
>>573606107Only if you’re a girl. No one likes manlets.>>573602040That pleases me to hear. I hope I can try one one day.
Ok it works now. SMO cancelled.
>>573607779>>573607649I choose neither.
give it to me straightdo I buy skitarii?
>>573608468its fun giving people the claw
>>573608468
>>573608468Might be a good idea to wait and see how they fuck it up after their vacation ends.
>>573607067Bolters, Plasmaguns and Flamers (and Meltaguns when they're finally added in 2 more years) shouldn't have been arbitrarily class locked for Vet/Zealot/Scum.
>>573608679>>573608587>>573608545already bought itthanks anons
>>573608847Do yourself a favor and get a lot of toughness regen early, including an aura because those give you +25Maybe don't try to fall in love with the power sword.
>>573607983What is this data supposed to be of? Dinosaurs?
>>573609109idk, grabbed the first image that popped up and even that was almost too much effort for a shitpost
>it's an ally barrels you off the edge episodeI hate rerererererererererereruns
they need to release havoc 50
Leveling a hive scum I'm starting to understand why people say Heresy threat sucks so much ass. These squads have negative situational awareness. They also do not seem to comprehend that gunners are enemies. They'll unga bunga the one trash mob in a quarter mile radius than deal with the 30 gunners pelting them in the back of the head.
I make my skitarii short because it's cute
>>573609109Buildings
So darktide down right now or?
space marines are atheists btw
>>573610357depends on the author
>>573610357>they are wholly his creation>erm actually he did almost nothing to create them
>>573610275Get The Fuck On.Right Now.
I make all my characters as short as possible because I am a manlet irl
>>573590610New Far Far West devlog for anyone interested:https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3124540/view/703273597028794716?l=englishTLDR:>Zurkers being worked on>Lighthouse POIs>Jungle Questline>Hellfire map almost done>Redwood Forest map>Melee weapons planned>More skins>Ice element>Shield mechanic>More Jokers
>>573610357Depends on the chapter but mostly. Black Templars are fanatical enough to make Sisters of Battle wet.
>>573610357Almost as retarded as GW saying that The Imperium of Man are not the protagonists of 40K.
>>573610935I make all my characters as tall as possible because I am gigantic irl. Even my name is an archaic version of "giant". Don't bite my ankles.
>>573609843I'm in the same boat. Leveling hive scum and wasn't confident enough with my build and gear to take it into damnation. I had a match last night where the console niggers were spamming that they need heals and cursing me for "running away like a pussy ass bitch" instead of immediately dropping everything that I was doing to pick them up.>they were downed smack dab in the middle of a pox bomber cloud>immediately forward of our position was a one way drop>I backtracked because where the fuck else can I go?I quit out of the match right then and there. I don't want to carry niggers who don't realize that teammates can't just stand in the fucking mustard gas to pick their asses up.At least tonight I'm comfortable to start damnation. The adrenaline surge keystone clicked with me and a bonesaw that I bought.
>>573611203Warhammer is for everyone(except for the people it isn't).
>>573610357The whole 40k universe is essentially atheistic, or in a sense pantheistic, in that all things metaphysical are ultimately creations of and through the material reality. However, there is some synergy between the physical and metaphysical, since most likely the reason why ork tech and mechanicus rites, for example, work on technology at the same time, but with wholly different physical laws, is that even causality and the laws of logic are somewhat subject to the idiosyncrasies of each belief system. Both stem ultimately from the physical, though.There is no transcendental creator God origin in the setting. Matter is seemingly eternal, and in that sense, god.
>>573611203this is old lore though tourist-kun
>>573610357That depends entirely on the chapter.Black Templars and Sons of the Phoenix are highly devout in their worship of the Emperor.Most chapters regard the Emperor as the greatest of mankind and swear loyalty to him, but deny his divinity.
>>573612690What does that have to do with anything retard-san?
>>573609563I feel like this has never happened to me>>573610357That very clearly says it differed from chapter to chapter, which is true. Obviously Ultramarines and Dark Angels don’t consider him a god when they have their primarchs who know better.
UP IN DA CLUB!
>>573612935Everytime I fly off the map right now it's from cranials and popping their heads accidentally with the headburst talent that procs off of any attack.
>>573611740>I don't want to carry niggers who don't realize that teammates can't just stand in the fucking mustard gas to pick their asses up.You kinda can (and sometimes arguably should) on a handful of classes, but scum DEFINITELY AIN'T IT. Fart clouds are the class' hardest counter, because once your toughness is gone, you're in trouble.
>>573614967You mean popping boxbursters with kinetic flayer?I hate to tell you this, but kinetic flayer automatically pops neither trash mobs nor poxbursters. It specifically only works on elites, specials and bosses.
>>573611653This but i'm a manlet irl
>>573615325No. Cranials, the funny tentacle head elites.
>>573615325>malicelet accidentally self-owns
>>573615539Oh. Yeah. True.
is it up yet
why are console players trying to do auric maelstroms when they can't even consistently defeat groups of poxwalkers?
>>573616391So they can move on to havoc!
been wanting to be more social...What are the best coop games that arent dead as fuck(like apex and helldivers)
>>573615540Stop it, dude. I'm going to cry.I hardly notice them before there's a reaper, or I'm thrown off a flight of stairs because of them.
>>573616391I’ve seen them clear H40s before. If they know about the optimal builds they do fine.
>stupid fucking retard hive scum keeps running off to die aloneAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>573616227
>>573610357But he is a man lol
>>573616746I mean, I guess I typed a few messages with strangers on kf2 when I played it a few weeks ago
>Captain Wolfer: I tell you: they will not reach the cathedrum. >Mysterious Voice: We grow tired of thy broken promises, turncoat. As doth the Grandfather. >Captain Wolfer: I am NOT afraid of you. >Mysterious Voice: Yes thou art. As thou should be.>Mysterious Voice: The Grandfather is watching. The Grandfather is displeased. >Captain Wolfer: This isn't over yet! >Mysterious Voice: We hope that is is so ... for thy sake. >Captain Wolfer: Please ... This is not lost. Not yet.
>>573619120Why is Wolfer such a jobber
hive scum always feels either like I'm breaking the game or sucking fat nardssame issue with psyker
>>573619224Because he's chaos. It's part of the contract. Any time chaos gets a win it's only to prop up the babyface that will ultimately gape them.
remember to play chainaxe hive scum this weekend
>>573620490It's devil's claw hive scum for me
>>573619414>either do over a million damage and get all the kills >or take 100 damage in one second, die and my party wipes 0.5 seconds laterI'll get better at this class one day.
>>573619414Rannick is a jobber too. So the whole fight for Atoma is Retard #1 vs. Retard #2.
Impactmaxxing on Arbites and every light attack from a crusher knocks ragers over, pretty funny
>>573619543more than that, the moebian 6th are chaos guys who aren't screeching retards (well, not all screeching retards) with a reasonable and compelling reason for falling, which means they need to die so the chaos space marines and their daddy issues aren't overshadowedits just like how space marines are the second most boring imperial faction (after cuckstodes of course)
>>573624091I like and find both of those factions interesting THOUGH
>misclick start mission when there's only three people when trying to go to party finder>write "misclick" in chat >everyone just accepts and then leaves in the lobbythanks niggers
>>573624259Castrates are literally space marines but more bigger and faster and the emperor made them personally and they are super smart and they wear GOLD ARMOR. Lame as hell. Gay even.
>>573619224Chaos feeds off of aspects of the psyche to sustain itself, Nurgle in particular feeds off of despair and the need to endure the inevitable. Of anyone on Atoma right now, Wolfer is empowering Nurgle the most, regardless of what the shakespearean bitch is saying. He's being set up as a chaos champion I wager, and anything else happening on Atoma is secondary to that since the chaos gods are more concerned with the great game in the warp than anything going on in real space.
>>573619120>Dreg shotgunner, my LIEGE
Am i retarded if i run HS without Slippery Costumer?
>>573625767>losing is actually just the grandfathers ebin 4D chess, trust the plan I guess the nox gas was actually just their copium supply all along.
>>573624841>make mistake>blame others for not cleaning up after you
>>573625661they're also nulore. sure they 'existed' before but it wasn't even clear they were supersoldiers - the emperor didn't *need* bodyguards, so they were a purely ceremonial roleof course then artists drawing a bunch of heresy-era stuff in the mid 00s couldn't help but go "here they have a custodes dreadnought and a custodes terminator" and set 40k on the path to ruining it forever, but at least they weren't playable and were only a paragraph's worth of lore at most. then they made them playable and it was all over after that
>>573626354It is in no way required or expected
>>573625661>and they wear GOLD ARMORGold is indeed a valuable commodity...
>>573626412It's not about objectives for the chaos gods, it's literally about starting shit endlessly so they can feed off the resulting emotional energies of mortals. Nurgle would be about as happy with a forever war on Atoma as he would with it falling straight into the warp, as long as the tens to hundreds of billions of humans on it are living in despair and desperate to see another day. This goes for the imperial aligned forces as much as it does his own.
>>573610982All those biomes and shopclick is 90%>uhh, poorly lit metal corridors with different colored lighting.>and we're going to make the massive hive city feel really tiny by re-using the same few setpieces so that players get that "huh, I've been here before. SMALL WORLD!" feeling instead of trying to make the hive city feel so large that you can live your whole life without seeing the same street twice.
I know I should be using the bazooka, but the cum spill popping a mixed horde is never not funny or useful
wait when was hive scum's skill tree changed again
>>573626989Long ago, like last year long ago
>>573626989March i think
>>573626730This copeish attitude is why chaos has been getting mogged by a fucking immobile skeleton for 10,000 years. I understand that nurgle is the patron God of jobbing and taking Ls but that doesn't make jobbing and taking Ls impressive.
>>573627215They won though, they got what they wanted. E money out of the way and a free range humanity to feed off of forever.
>grass is green and I CAN PROVE IT!>42 minutes
>>573627419It's alright, but it's pretty weak for something that costs grenades
>>573627523I wouldn't waste the talent point on it even if it was free. It does nothing.
>>573627309>they got what they wantedThey wanted to get beat up and have their lunch money stolen?I'm just imagining khorne telling Angron how proud he is and that he didn't actually want to win the war so it's okay that he keeps getting blown out.
>>573627419Which sloptuber has my(correct) opinion?
>>573598684so the mauler was originally the shotgunner?
>>573627603>It does nothing.This, when I see a flame skull out I put my sword away so as not to offend and let them think they are helping.
>...and also made me forgetful it hasI will never stop keking at Welshman robo's lines
>>573627419If this means less retards wasting grenades to burn a couple dozen poxwalkers I'm all for it.
>>573627603It puts burn stacks on things, but it's strictly weaker than the zealot's grenade because you either sacrifice its area of effect to get the cone, which can be difficult to use in a pinch, or you have it rotate slowly on the spot, which I think takes two seconds to do a full 360 and it only hits things it's pointing at. Still, the burn stacks are too low for higher difficulties which come with higher health breakpoints to make things work.Balanced for malice essentially. Still a waste of a point even there, but the devs are shitters anyway and probably thought it was good enough. Noosphere is strictly the better pick.
>another party wipe because retarded niggers keep dying with the medcrate
>>573627603cone mode flameskull is just good enough to clear out mauler and bulwark swarms. Finding the spare point for it is difficult but it will help clear out a problem pile if things go really wrong.
>>573628057>Noosphere is strictly the better pick.They aren't mutually exclusive though. Flame skull is just purely a wasted talent point/grenade charge.
>>573627870Didn't reginald make a video saying the scum dual pistols are good when they are the worst thing ever put in a video game
>>573628336on what fucking planet are bulwark and mauler rape squads just standing in the middle of the tiny cone instead of walking past it
>>573628349Don't you ever talk shit about the Killing Floor pistols
>>573628339If you're taking noosphere, you're not using grenades anyway>what about medicaeNo
>>573628041I've honestly never seen anyone bring it after the first week of release when everyone was doing the penance
How are you supposed to read the crash report logs? I can't find the cause tying back to any specific mod, just 'trying to unload resource'
>>573628349i like them, they're neat
>>573627870It sucks as an aggressive circle chasing tool. It works as a room clearing too to clean up a gigastacked mixed horde of bullshit when your team doesn't have room to withdraw. It's inferior to scum's faggot obliterator or ogryn's nuke, but the only opportunity cost is the talent point. It doesn't lock you out from using the medicae skull.
>>573628609I don't mod this game but for skyrim I run crash logs through an llm. There's no point trying to decipher them yourself.
>>573628418when you're fighting them
>>5736285541. Occasionally I'm put in a situation that is completely unsurvivable without some kind of fire and forget AOE2. I like having three skulls floating around me :3
>>573628336You don't need the cone mode. Reginald's test shows that it will thin out the bullshit on circle mode. You just need to play defensively for a few seconds for it to do its thing. It's probably the slowest/weakest room clearing blitz, but the only opportunity cost is the talent point. It's not mutually exclusive with noosphere or medicae.
All the blitzes that use a grenade charge are ass and i'm tired of pretending otherwise
Every class that uses grenades should have some form of regen and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.Needing random RNG pickups to recharge your blitz is retarded.
>>573628502>not investing one (1) single point into a talent that can effortlessly save a runBorderline griefing. The only explanation I can think of for this behavior is scoreboard autism.
>>573629181Krak, boom tube, shock mines, dog explosion
is being outdamaged as melee hivescum with arc rifle skit and inferno psyker on my team a skill issue or is it to be expected?
>>573629327Yes, I don't care if it's two minutes
>>573629380i meant on skitty hehe
>>573629327Random RNG pickups you have to share with your team btw.
I miss nuln crates
>>573629360>building for failureIf you need it, you're playing with shitters you should have declined.
>>573629391The only way to know that information is by being a mod tranny. I'm thinking skill issue.
>>573629391yeah, both of those are way way easier to damage pad on
>>573629534>declinedSorry, i should have clarified that I'm not trans.
>>573629360This shit has cropped up before in all sorts of games. There are shortsighted niggers who can't grasp the value of having insurance against potential team wiping events. They view it as useless because it doesn't give them value on fair weather runs where everything went smoothly and the insurance wasn't needed.
>>573629391They're massive damage ranged that penetrate horde and can eat your rampage right as you pop it.Very much normal.
>>573629552true>>573629553>>573629846that's sort of what I was thinking I was just worried if I was fucking something up or not.
New minor Advanced combat doctrines (ADC) tech discovered. With an automatic weapon, press F to start ADC, press and hold the trigger to fire full auto, while full autoing, press F to stop ADC, the gun keeps the increased fire rate until you let go of the trigger or the mag is empty. Real game breaking stuff. Use with caution. Praise the Machine God.
>>573630373by the omnissiah...
>Yesterday a Cargo Crate gave me an item but it didn't appear anywhere in my Wardrobe>Today the Weekly Weapon Overclock didn't appear in the Forge after I unlocked itI waited a week for this?
>>573628349>desperado/raking fire>dodge around elite>"heh, nothin' personnel">use the spinny button before instakilling itthere is no gun as funny as this
Somber News: You Couldn't Carry 3 Retards in a Game Designed for 4 Players
>>5736316684 days ago I played an auric missions where the 3 retards died 2 minutes in so I alt f4'd and havent played since
>relay mission hexbound daemonhost that gets triggered before you even see itfuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
how do we fix chain weaponsthe best marks have movesets all about using them as a club
>>573632889Buff damage and ADMs to the point where you can actually one-shot a crusher at any difficulty with the special attack. Because if you're locked into the animation for like 2 seconds you should be able to do that.
>>573631668Unfortunately yes, there are tards proudly with Auric exemplar still not tagging specials (at least through fire and gas), priority killing them or press W to walk forward while fighting
>>573627857you think khorne gives a shit about angron? lolthe chaos gods don't even give a shit about reality besides as the ability to extract jollies from the suffering of randos. when they actually get directly involved, stuff like 'khorne casually creates a curse across a whole star system that corrupts billions of imperial soldiers, thousands of space marines, and sisters of battle in an instant' happenthe horus heresy went in the best possible way for them, that's why they didn't just give horus cheats so he could win instantly, didn't block warp travel for the loyalists, etc
>>573632007Have they fixed any of the hexbound bugs since havoc released like 2 years ago?
>>573632889Replace the suicidal weapon special with a functional copy-paste of the power falchions mechanics? Temporarily ramp them up into high power mode where they have more damage, more cleave, more rending, and apply bleed stacks on hit.
>>573632889The addition of the vanguards has given a few weapons a mild boost, chain included.shredding chews up vanguardseviscerator's perfect strike cleaves through the shield to hit the health directly.
>>573634453the problem is that vanguards spawn in packs of 5+ and it still takes forever to shred them one by one
>>573634536>turn a corner>see like 15 vanguards chilling in the roomI didn't even hesitate to pull out the boom bringer
>>573634730Fatshark has received your feedback about vanguards and have copy/pasted shielded stormvermin shield mechanics so that they now fully block explosives that are in front of them.
>>573634536I hate there are times they can spawn a dozens on you for trying to destroy one of Corrupter growths and yet retard pubs still killing random poxes somewhere else instead of other Corrupter growths.
Fatshart actually made this new dogshit unit no one likes rather than just making bulwarks not spawn in huge packs.
>>573627925He is very funny isn’t he I love Doro >>573630373Will do!!!
>>573633814>>573627309Plus the Chaos Gods don’t even need real space to survive anymore, they’ve grown so powerful that they’re now effectively self sufficient according to a recent quote, things have gone really swimmingly for them all things considered.
>>573631668You can carry by mindlessly spam grenade gauntlet with PBB if you take both burn nodes. Melts havoc 40 encroaching hordes before everyone dies.
>>573634029lol, lmao
Chaos copers are fucking delusional. The Emperor could literally have khorne bent over taking backshots from every ogryn in the galaxy and you would still say it's just part of the plan.
>Late night quickplay on the EU server>3 retards already mid life on the first hordeI'm tired...
>>573636006mutt's law
>>573636095I'm mid-life and I can solo aurics without taking more than 100 health damage.
Nothin like getting bitched at all run by some fag with a wounds curio in a non-maelstrom auric
>>573636215Do you even know what that is?
>>573635239They would have been fine if fatshart would have simply copied bulwarks (ratclick). A ordinary trash mob with ordinary trash mob HP, but equipped with a powerful shield that fully blocks your attack damage. They slow you down and punish you for mindlessly spamming/macroing attacks into a horder, but they reward you if you skillfully play around the shield or commit to using something like the flail to circumvent the shield. If you used a teammate to flank them, use a high stagger attack to break their guard, rapid pushes to break their guard, or any other kind of tech to just get around the shield then they're a squishy enemy that dies in an eyeblink.Vanguards are so ass because their shields practically don't even fucking matter. The problem with vanguards is that they have thousans of fucking hitpoints. Nerf their HP and upgrade their shields.
>>573633814To be fair, it didn't go exactly as planned as of The End and the Death. The Emperor survived and Horus wasn't meant to be killed, Horus could have cheated his way to victory no matter what if he hadn't played that game of Tarot and ended up preordaining the whole thing.
Why does FatFuck blatantly favorize Melee over ranged?I thought the entire point of this game was to have an equal amount of both, but all the best build are Melee focused.
>>573636665I'm not even exaggerating, this enemy made me completely give up on FartShart.Just the simple fact of them fumbling such a nothinburger enemy, one they already did much better in their previous games, shows that they completely lost the plot and talent.Didn't help that they for some reason continue wasting time and money on retarded content islands no one cares about, instead of just making new weapons/maps.
>>573638213Gamers don't know what they want
>>573638175>I thought the entire point of this game was to have an equal amount of bothYou thought wrong. It's an evolution on Vermintide as a new way to introduce and solve problems, but this is still a melee game at it's core.
>>573638175Because ammo is mostly finite.But you'll note that psykers tend to just use their staves.
>>573638175Because not saving your ranged for specialists and gunners is retarded
>>573638213The new vanguards alone unironically make the game like 30% less enjoyable. Sometimes more if the director decides every horde needs 10 of the fuckers.Just a complete waste of time of an enemy.
>>573638395Only purge staffers because it's broken.
>>573638175Because it allows psyker players to think they're better than everyone else since they get to play ranged with no downsides
>>573638175RNG ammo pickups is part of the experience CHUD.Your ungrateful ass COULD waste 10 talent point to be able to fire your gun for more than 30 seconds total during a 40 minute match.So don't blame it on the devs.Look inwards, reflect, be a better men and for the love of SCIENCE... ask your teammate to force pick Veteran if you need ammo so badly.
>>573638175You can play primarily ranged provided your team knows you're going to be mostly doing that and decides to cover you in melee, but you are playing a game where 99% of its players are uncommunicative and uncooperative at best, and hostile at worst.
I can't make the heavy eviscerator work bros...It's the coolest weapon and it sucks ass
>>573638797Why are they so much cooler looking than us, bros...
>>573638607Let's say the staff instead had a counter on it that required refilling from items on the map.Do you think it would still be broken?
>>573638976but I thought players hated hobocore cosmetics?
>>573639020depends on how much juice it hasif you actually have to be conservative with it most people would probably drop it
>>573632889elite weakspot kills do not consume special charge/extends duration
Question doesn't quite fit what this thread usually is about but it's the closest. I started Abiotic Factor and the shield is behaving really fucking weirdly. I equipped it and tested it - selected a weapon and saw both ready, then hit holster twice to see first the shield then the weapon go away, then selected a weapon again and saw both ready again. But then I swap to a power brick to open the starting area door and spawn the Peccary, I select a weapon and get no shield. Reequipping or whatever doesn't fix it. Only dying and respawning makes it work again. This behavior is consistent. I find nothing in websearches. The fuck is happening?
>>573639086imperial hobos = gay and lamechaos hobos = chads
>>573639239the best part about 40k is that everyone looks like the right ones
>>573639320Not the Tau, but nobody gives a shit about the Tau so that just reinforces the point
>>573639386the tau have cool gundams though
>>573639386they've consistently been the most played faction after space marines and chaos space marines actually, because they're cool as fuck
>>573638175What? You have functionally infinte ammo on 4 out of the 7 classes>veteran has shock trooper and ammo aura>scum has desperado, pickpocket and another ammo aura>skitarius has passive reloading and ammo replenishment>psyker straight up doesn't use ammo with staves
>>573638175Obviously average players are bad at videogames, even when playing asp ranged, they'll continue to shoot at hordes or whatever closet on their screen instead of dangerous taegets like specials or gunners far away. Also why low skilled gamers always prefer machinegun or flamethrower because they are holding down M1 and killing everything on screen without aiming much
>>573639824>mentioning skit's 1% ammo every 15 seconds as "functionally infinite ammo"
>>573639610They're not even in the top five
>>573638175Melee is more fun. Their original idea for DarkTide sucked so much ass that even sw*des could tell so they completely changed it before release.
>>573640086I don't know much about the tabletop game. Is there a correlation between most played and factions who have received new, and presumably overtuned, codexes? Also, I note that your chart is armies "collected" rather than "games played." Isn't that going to massively skew the results towards space marines due to starter sets?
>>573640086I'm really surprised orkz don't mog tau harder than they do. I guess orkGODS are a small yet vocal fanbase.
>>573638962Works for me.mkIII. Shred+Perfect Strike (replace perfect strike if you don't care for it)Spam lightsoccasionally mix in a pushattack-heavy if the poxwalkers get too thickspecial-heavy if you want to shred cleave through trash for fun.Fury of the Faithful if you want to spam even more lights or give the Crushers ye olde grip and rip.
>>573639320True>>573639386>>573639610I like them myself, I think there’s some things that could be done to be made cooler but the more their lore gets fleshed out the more likable they get, the various client races working under them and the Farsight enclave are some of my favorite bits in the setting now
>>573640690IS THAT A ZEALOT IN THE BACKGROUND FIGHTING A CHAOS MARINEHE CAN'T- HE CAN'T FUCKING DO THATHEY, HELLO? BROS? HE CAN'T DO THAT THE POWER LEVELS ARE WAY OFF HE JUST CAN'T FUCKING DO IT OKAY
>>573641584Don't worry, it's just a Word Bearer anyway
So what's the verdict on the Purgator Servo-Skull? Good or bad?
>>573641739If you already have the skull blitz you might as well take it because it can save you when you join into a lost game where you're replacing a bot that was cornered by an indian rape mob
>>573641584before the deluge of primarchslop it was agreed among the community that marines are still disposable fodder just better disposable fodder than the guardI miss it
>>573641739It's not hive scum's bazooka so it's bad.
>>573641739There are heretical homosexual communists who claim it is bad but every Emperor-loving loyalist thinks it's the bee's knees.
>>573641739Competes with mediskull for blitz charges.One or the other, preferably mediskull.
>>573641739Not good enough for the point. Maybe if it was just on cooldown rather than grenade consumption
>>573641739Needs buffing, but you won't see anything like that for two or three months, just in time for the swedish to get back from their summer holiday before they go on their winter holiday.
Just bought SkitariiWhat's the maximum amount of servoskulls I can have?
>>573641739Useless if you're running the carapace cleaving transphobic bladesNiche everywhere else
>>573642205Three, two of them effectively useless to you
>>573642012>Competes with mediskull for blitz charges.Consider the absolute state of your team if you are ever actually in danger of running out of skulls. That would mean on four separate occasions someone split off from the group, got utterly surrounded, and dogpiled in a situation that is totally unsurvivable without a skull.
>>573641739Good but not good enough to be sought out on its own. It's isn't mutually exclusive with the other skulls, so it only takes one extra talent point to have an extra option in your back pocket. If you are in a situation where your team is boxed in by mixed bullshit then you can toss it out to clear the room. It does not clear the room anywhere near as well as alternative blitzes, but it still clears it nonetheless.The bigger problem isn't the talent point or competing for blitz charges. The problem is retarded context sensitivity putting you at risk of accidentally tossing out a flamer skull instead of a medicae skull when in the heat of the moment.
>>573642205You can have 3 - one with a laspistol, one with a flamethrower, one with a medical injector.
>ANOTHER skitnigger who doesn't use their skull to hack the hab dreyko tree in havocat this point i need to start asking these fucking retards if they know how their class works before queueing up
>>573642430Sorry, I need it for killing specials :)
>teammate down and surrounded by big guys>deploy the mediskull>they're still in the same unfortunate position of being surrounded by big guys>they dieconvince me to use this thing
>>573642430They heard that a human can do it faster and don't want to lose izzat by relying on their skull, thus appearing unintelligent
>>573642320Situations like that are still sooner survived with the mediskull rather than flame skull.
>>573642582You can do something extremely funny if you time it so they get up in time for a crusher overhead to come down
>>573642582be less retarded when using your abilities?
>>573642582Without the skull they just fucking die. The skull gives them massive damage resistance as they're being revived and thus a chance to turn it around, especially if you use your now free action economy to start carving your way towards him in tandem.
>>573642582Griefing your teammate by rezzing him in the middle of 5x Crusher overheads + fire puddle + flamer stream + tox gas
>>573642582>friend gets shot>give him a bandaid>he still bleeds out>convince me to use this thing
>>573642794nigga if you're running out of skulls it's not gonna matterthose aren't clutch saves, that's you carrying non-functioning shitters, most likely playstation players, prolonging the increasingly frustrating and inevitable defeat screen
>be me >atoma resident >just a regular guy >one day some church dudes show up >they have some radical theories but i'm kinda hungry and kinda sick and they say they can fix it >fuck it >start going to their meetings >ff a few months i'm a regular around there and they're saying i'm one of their top guys >want me to help fight the evil in atoma>sure lmao >they start handing out equipment >i get a shield >a fucking wood and metal shield >things barely bigger than a dustbin lid >fml >get out into combat for the first time >a fucking ogryn comes charging at me >bigger than a fucking house this guy is >swings a pickaxe at me, the head of this thing has got to weigh more than my entire body>close my eyes and accept that i fucked up with some of my life choices >the fucking thing bounces off my shitty fucking shield, stopped cold>my roided up buddies beat his stupid ass and i piss on his corpse >idiot shouldn't have fucked with my magic shield lol
>>573642582You use the skull when they're not being curbstomped, or in situations where someone is present to fight the mosh pit off of them but there aren't enough free hands to get a rez off.Some examples:>teammate gets downed by monster>monster swaps aggro to someone else but the downed teammate isn't being mosphitted by trash yet>have the skull pick him up.or>teammate gets domed by a sniper in no man's land.>suicide to stand still long enough to pick him up, but the teammate is free to slipe and slide away after the skull picks him up.
>>573642961meant for >>573642675
>>573642961And the flame skull, on the other hand, is going to do nothing at all for either a competent or incompetent team.
>>573642874>giving someone a bandaid for a gunshot woundcouldn't create a more perfect analogy myself
>>573643018Your examples don't happen during high level play. It's a trench shitter issue.
>>573643242then why even argue the point lolFlamer skull can help you, and it's more fun to have a flamethrower drone AND an emergency revive in your pocket. You're arguing that you're going to fucking run out of med skulls and my point is that should never even cross your mind because running out of med skulls means you're playing with complete and utter fucking morons that have literally no bearing on the outcome whether they're alive or dead.
>>573643590So, are you saying take both?Why waste the talent point on a flamethrower that:1. Does not move with you like the staff or flamer2. Does not apply brittleness3. Applies its burn more slowly since it will most likely have to be used in spinning mode to do anything4. Is much more finite and the resource is better spent elsewhere. After all, if you're not spending blitz charges, then it's blitzes for classes with better ones, while you have a pocket rez in case things go wrong. Not every game is a True Survivor game.
I must be brain damaged because I always assume my charging abilities can outrun a trapper's net (they never do)
>>573642582your instinct is right.If you have a competent team that isn't going down it is a wasted point 100% of the time.If you have a fully incompetent team it's wasted when they can't get out of the situation that got them down in the first place.It's only good if you play with shitters who are only mostly shit but not fully. so perfect for pugs :^)
>>573641947primarchpoopa certainly didn't help, but there's a broader online shitter focus on "lore accuracy" that usually results in autistic powerscaler nonsensesee "lore accurate" master chief or "lore accurate" doomguy or "lore accurate" kratosthe exact same types of people see those characters and space marines, custodes, and primarchs and instantly self insert into them and seeing them eat shit from realistic causes makes them mad
>>573642280Maybe but I like the little buggers>>573642387Yay
>>573642974>I managed to tank a bolt from a fucking plasma gun>it didn't even hit the shield but hit me square in the back>I'm completely untouched while all my friends are dripping from the ceiling >im thinking these smelly church guys are onto something
>>573641947>it was agreed among the community that marines are still disposable fodder just better disposable fodder than the guardThis was never agreed.
>>573644339it was, you missed the meeting we all had to go to faggot pedant camp
>>573643561>people don't get downed in high level play
>>573644254This one fucking vanguard is going to solo the custodes and meet face to face with the emperor at this point
>>573644339Everyone came to 40k from dawn of war and the marines eat shit in the first cinematic
>>573641584kek
>>573642794It isn't griefing when retards themselves can't even bother just walk out of hazard (flame or gas). At that moment, they don't deserved getting another skull revive because it'll be resource wasting. No point helping retards play on difficulty where they shouldn't be.
guys I'm serious I ran out of dodges, that's why I couldn't get out of the fire...
On a scale from unkillable Arbiter to 'i ran out of dodges psyker' how squishy is the new tech boy
>>573644434No, it's just that people who get downed in high level play are easily recoverable without wasting a point on the medicae skull. You don't need the medicae skull in high level play because everyone is sticking together and actually killing priority targets instead of going down 80 meters away from anyone else. I'm not saying it isn't useful, it is, it's just not useful at the only difficulty level anyone here cares about.Medicae is for the trench.
>>573642582>they're still in the same unfortunate position of being surrounded by big guys>they dieWell if its an arbiter he just pressed F and the entire map is now KO'ed on the ground so he'll be fine
there are way too many curio perksit should be>health>toughness>stamina regen>resist ballistic>resist las>resist fire>resist corruption (works on grimoires)
>>573644882>in active combatnot at all, he can eat one taps and survive them with the correct nodes picked, he can regen his toughness so fast he can take multiple hits and never get chipped>just running around with no buffs updead to gunners in half a second flat
>>573644887This is an autistic fantasy.Post True Survivor now or you're on par with a hallucinating AI.
>>573644476That doesn't imply disposable, disposable troops are armed and armored well below material cost, and marines are not conscripts in flak armor armed with flashlights and sent on a bayonet charge against daemonic horrors from hell. You don't invest the time and effort that goes into a Marine into a force that is intended to be disposable. This shit isn't a binary between a state of either being completely disposable or something to be protected at all costs, marines are still soldiers fighting things that are usually comparable to them.
>>573645306nta but any of those titles that people want to jack off over you can easily be carried through. There is no way of determining someones skill level besides them posting gameplay
>>573639824Never run out of ammo with the helbore not sure what that anon is talking about
>>573644467>So there I am storming the imperial palace>We finally get past the dumbass custodes and see the Emperor on his golden throne>He's just a dusty fucking skeleton>Now what? I was expecting some sort of epic fight>Finally I decide to just unplug this bozos life support>Hear an unimaginable roar of thunder as soon as I unplug the socket>Turn around and I'm bathed in golden light, like the sun itself is in the room with me>Fuckfuckfuckfuck>THE FUCKING EMPEROR IS MAGICALLY HEALED AND HEADED RIGHT FOR ME>I cant even look way as he raises his enormous lightning clawed fist to strike me down>*tink*>The Emperor's mighty claw bounces off my wooden shield making him stumble backwards and trip on the steps to his throne>mfw The Emperor cracks his head on the golden throne and straight up fucking dies
>>573645535Yeah yeah ply your knowledge of marine logistics on faggots who careMY GUYS die for the cause when I tell them to, there is no greater kinship to the tabletop experience than this
>>573644476I didn’t. I got there through autistic online forums mostly>>573641584He can definitely do it. He’ll just die in the process.
>>573645832i kekkedbut being reminded of the gay-ass perpetual lore made me sad
>>573644887In very high level play the only thing that is putting people down is a surprise pile of chaos that would otherwise cut them off from normal revive attempts.
>>573641947They were never “fodder”. They’re among the greatest and most effective infantry the Imperium can field. Expendable sure, but that’s different.
>>573645612nta true survivor is an acceptable approximation. No one iss going to bother watching some anon's highlight clips.
>>573645535>You don't invest the time and effort that goes into a Marine into a force that is intended to be disposable. You might want that to be true, but this view isn't supported by the lore or the tabletop or the vidya. Was your first encounter with 40k a little dark age edit?
>>573645535Space Marines aren't frontline troops. The situations where they are deployed like ordinary infantry are exceptionally rare. They are special forces that are often deployed behind enemy lines to attack strategically significant targets such as enemy command centers. They are very much expendable relative to the value of what they're knocking out. You can easily trade a space marine tactical squad if it means that the enemy's leadership is now dead and their army collapses into disarray.
>>573644174I mean yeah. Inconsistencies are always going to be annoying. What those people don’t realize is that there’s usually a reasonable explanation for the disconnect or shit eating in question. It’s not like we can stroll through a video game being literally invincible.
>do one snortis>get 9 (nine) penances
Space Marine lore is fucking retarded. 1000 man chapters makes absolutely no sense logistically and only exists so retards will buy 1000 plastic men to have an entire chapter. Debating the intricacies of the lore when giga retarded shit like this exists just seems dumb.
>>573646621all 40k lore is retarded anonpipi
There was an anon from last week who said he was reading this, how is it? I'm pretty split on Dan Abnett books, I swear he has a part-time ghost writer who sucks ass.
>>573646621just about every chapter either outright ignores it or has workarounds that would make hasidics blush.even the blueberry codex thumpers have "not technically ultramarine" chapters that they just siphon from whenever they want.Half the point is to point out that the imperium is fine with hypocrisy when it suits them, same with the librarian/nikea shit.
>>573645535Marines are fodder too. They only come off as cooler than they are since they work as shocktroops and get sent in to do small special ops and then they pull out.
>>573646931>a part-time ghost writer who sucks assNevermind, mystery solved."Dan Abnett is married. He is married to Nicola Vincent-Abnett (often known professionally as Nik Vincent), who is also an author and creator."
>>573645832Reminded of this
>>573627419I'm running it for the penance. Simple as.
>>573646621Having special forces is dumb? what?
>>573646621>1000 man chapters makes absolutely no sense logisticallyThey're tanks. Not men.
Who cares if the flame skull is good or not. Is the class FUN?
>>573648136the class yes, sort of...
>>573648136Yeah it's pretty fun, after I've sunk 500 hours into it by the end of the month I'll probably change my mind and gaslight everyone I know into believing it's bad
>>573648136No. It just feels jank and the way the tree is creates more tax nodes.
>>573647896>>573648007The Imperium has 1 MILLION worlds, 1000 man chapters is simply not enough no matter how elite they are. Considering that any given hiveworld could have triple digit billions of fighting age men it's just not enough manpower even before you consider xenos like Orkz and Tyranids who have millions of troops that are even matches for space marines.
>>573646931Dan Abnett is, literally, a Marvel writer. He created the Guardians of the Galaxy. So, that should explain it.
>>573648136>poopsock difficultyno, lotta juggling stacks of this and that and keeping each conditional up and you die if you fuck it up and you still probably die even if you don't fuck it up. Though tbf that can be the same for just about everyone.>anything up to auric maelstromyeah its pretty fun
>>573648838>Considering that any given hiveworld could have triple digit billions of fighting age mennot really. atoma prime has 90 billion people. the only hive worlds that has triple digit billions of fighting age men will be the trillion+ ones which are rare
>>573649017Atoma isn't a "real" hive city like the ones on Necromunda for example, it was built post-heresy.
>>573648838name a chapter that actually strictly holds to 1000 men that also doesn't have thousands of b through z tier conscripts on deck waiting to tag in or feeder chapters or both scams going at the same time
>>573646621How doesn’t it make sense? And like the other guy said a lot of them don’t even adhere to it, the Dark Angels notoriously has like 70k+ men and flagrantly diseregards it to the point the Inquisition sends them angry letters about it every week.>>573647134Grim…
>no DLC class cosmetics in the commissarywhy?
>>573649098almost all hive worlds were post-heresy, anon, they're products of 10,000 years of mismanagement. terra wasn't a hive world until the heresy
>>573648136>Is the class FUN?anon all classes feel the same
>>573647086>A popular idiom used to describe soldiers as highly expendable in warThey’re expendable, but they’re not so numerous that they can be called fodder with the resources it takes to make them
>>573649396You won't convince people who don't know what words mean
Space Marines aren't disposable because they're clad in equipment that cannot be manufactured anymoreYeah you can make a new marine if you suck the gene-testicles from the dead marine, but you cannot make a new power armouror at least that was the way it was back when I last read lore which was before Guilliman came back
>>573649157you're thinking of the black templars and space wolves, except they don't have THAT many, it's more like 7000-12000the dark angels stick with the 1000, but simply treat all their successor chapters as, essentially, being regiments of the greater dark angels legion, due to their obsession with finding the fallen
>>573649732finding the what now, anon?blam
>>573649623Nah, mechanicus can make new power armor and all, but it takes like a million man hours and hundreds of lives lost in terrible factory conditions to make a single suit that has a "temperamental" machine spirit (they fucking made it wrong)
>>573649017>atoma prime has 90 billion peopleAnother example of 40k lore being retarded. A continent sized multilayered city having a lower population density than Pittsburgh is stupid and shouldn't be taken seriously.
>>573648136>FunYes, at least in some thematic, arc mechanic and servoskull. Personality or voicelines wise, they are serviceable.
>>573649834This assumes imperial record keeping is accurate, and we are talking about the same administratum scribes that somehow lost the foundryplex's location
>>573648838Most things in the galaxy are not a match for Astartes. Despite all the memes, they do have a positive victory-loss ratio, and the exact number of them varies depending on the sources you take, not even taking into account stuff like >>573649145 >>573649157
>>573648838The bulk of the Imperium's fighting is not done by Space Marines, but by the Imperial Guard, and only if the local PDFs can't handle it.Space Marines are deployed to make decisive strikes
Friday night shitters tonight in aurics. I had six games that ended in all failures.
>>573649623>Space Marines aren't disposable because they're clad in equipment that cannot be manufactured anymoreThey manufacture space marine power armor all of the time. The fancy irreplaceable stuff isn't being issued to your average space marine tactical squad. That stuff is reserved for the highest ranking officers in the chapter. The chapter master isn't expendable. A tactical squad is.
>>573649809>a single suit that has a "temperamental" machine spirit (they fucking made it wrong)I think this is one of my most favourite parts of 40k lore, and the fact that if any techpriest is like "man maybe we made it wrong" they get accused of tech-heresysuch lovable retards, the mechanicus
>>573650113>can't carry his teammates kicking and screaming over the finish line are we fr man
>>573650179They won't stop splashing human blood mixed with oil on critical components that don't need it (they are corroding the neural interface circuitry)
>>573649316There is all-the-same and there is Psyker
>>573649316>all classes feel the sameexplain please, because on my end they all play wildly differently
>>573650480>whack heretic with big stick>shoot heretic>press F to control heretic hordethere
>>573649983Space Marines only have 3+ save and 2 wounds. They do not outclass most threats in the galaxy.
>>573649834Fact checked>Pittsburgh 5,471.3/sq mi>"Continent" (90 b / Africa) 7,692/sq miWrong
>>573650312>silence layperson, all this incense is incredibly vital to the process (i can't see through the smoke while i'm doing the wiring but i'm sure the omnissiah will guide my hands)
>>573650716>the plasma gun he is making got incense smoke on the magnetic coils (the carbon will compromise the containment field and cause the weapon to explode when it's under load)
>>573650897clearly that g*ardsmen didn't please the machine spirit, execute his entire regiment
>>573650645Okay but Atoma has buildings that are reach into the stratosphere, it should be an order of magnitude more densely populated than Pittsburgh.
>>573629360>I'm griefing because I don't want to spend a talent on teammates who not only go down, but go down in stupid areas nowhere near the rest of the teamHow about you eat my ass and don't fuck off 15 meters from the rest of the team and get downed.
>>573651732I consneed your acceptance
>>573650615I’m talking lore. Taking table top literally results in abject nonsense that is grossly at odds with what we see depicted elsewhere (kind of like everything else).
>>573651859Reminder it is tabletop that is canon and the fiction that is inaccurate
>>573636006I don't think a flashlight could do that, no.
>>573652134From an outside perspective, I find it weird that it's the game that's canon and not written lore, given that a game must be balanced to ensure all players have fun and writing has no such restrictions.
>>573652134reminder that ur gay and retarded and nobody including james workshop cares what you think canon should be.
The canon is whatever my delusions say it is and nothing else matters
is arbites grenade the single most boring blitz or what
>>573653015I wouldn't know, I've never actually used it
When are we gonna get a darktide like game but with Aeldari?
>>573653093*eldarit would be kino, too kino i fear...
>>573653225yeah if only imperiumfags weren't so greedy with their videogames
>>57365332640k is a story about humanity, alien.
>>573653424gay
>>573653015Boring but effective. Bog standard video game grenade. Booms your problems away.I recommend trying a lone wolf grenade build at least once just to try it out and explode every elite pack you see.
>>573653424I don't like humanity
>>573653225>*eldarDid they change the name again?
>>573653424if that were true we'd get playable chaosCHADS
CUNNY
>>573652134That’s one persons thoughts on it. It’s all canon is the official policy. You just have to specify which one you want to take precedent in whatever question you’re looking for.
>>573651732The spires are for a handful of the richest nobles alone.
>>573655063and the staff...
>>573649732I’d have to go looking for it but I’m almost sure I saw something about the DA in particular having massively disproportionate numbers
in my headcanon, my skitarii is cute under all the masks
>>573651732>it should be an order of magnitude more densely populated than PittsburghI'm not a civil engineer but I think city population density kindof has a critical mass. That's why you end up with boroughs and neighborhoods, with their own centers and industries, that are larger than whole towns in rural US. The "city" fragments as you increase the surface area and population, behaving in a more logarithmic fashion than an exponential one. If you continued the population density trend from Bumfuck Indiana -> New York -> Africa City, the center of that city would be a heaping pile of literal crushed flesh and bone probably with a neutron star at the center.
>>573648838Depends on the Chapter, Black Templars might be pre-heresy size because they don't care
>>573655740Black Templars abuse a technicality and are far above codex numbers
>>573653424TRVTH NUKEI would appreciate some more "colonization" being depicted tho
>>573655740they're far, far from pre-heresy size, pre-heresy imp fists were 100,000 strong, BT are about 6000-12000 depending on the source (and tbf they do alternate because a lot of them die and more are recruited)
>>573655740Why would Robert Gayman put it in the space book in the first place if everyone just ignores it?
>>573656125Only like 5 chapters at most have the clout to ignore it. It's much more common for chapters to have less than a thousand marines (ie crimson fists lol)
>>573656125Dorn and Sigismund both hated the Codex initially, the High Lords and BobbyG look the other way because the Black Templars are on a constant Crusade against all of humanities enemies.
>>573656361nigga looks zesty af in that art. child bearing hips
>>573652420>>573652134>>573651859The gameplay is largely consistent. It's the novels that are all over the fucking place.
>>573656518It's because how artist draws the way he walks like every female models caltwalk out there. Aka artist problem can't bother to draw the other leg behind properly.
>>573656125it was there to restructure many of the failings of the legion system, but not be a total replacement
Is 6 stacks of brittleness better than 15% damage from all sources?
What the fuck are these spawns again
>>573655926Omega fucking based Gilly will bring about the Eldar-Human synergy that was always meant to be
>>573652134SPESH MEHREEN KILL EVERYTHING IS CANON
>>573652134and that’s why people usually ignore limp dick table top marines. obviously the game and units need to be balanced for anyone to have fun. doesn’t change everything else is still just as valid according to their own words.
>>573657524It depends on the weapon and what you're attacking. If your weapon is terrible against carapace, brittleness is better when you need to beat down a crusher. If your weapon is already good against carapace, the damage is better.
>>5736521341st edition space marines got killed by sisters of battle back when they were lady marines
Havoc 50 when
>>573657965>quick players when they quickplay into a HISTG
Can we PLEASE just delete operations from the quickplay pool
>>573658890>nipple spike armorGod I need a sister to just peg me to death
>>573658794Ah that makes sense, thanks anon
>>573659167No love for, No Man's Land?
>>5736588901st edition might as well have been an entirely different setting
>>573659580i don't want to carry more niggers who just want the penance on auric
>try ogryn for the first time>power maul is incredible and works exactly the way i wished thunder hammer didZealot is so SHITEverything about zealot is just a worse version of something another class has
Actually just fucking delete havoc from the game. Shittiest mode to ever exist
>>573659098It was two no modifier quick plays in a row that felt like Maelstroms
>>573659817You don't want H40s in your Auric, one of them makes a fool of themselves, three of them will finish the mission without you
>>573659995It's not the spawns, you're probably just playing with people who are new to the game and don't have leveled weapons, so you're failing the DPS check and the enemies are just building up
>>573660250You're the autist that says obvious nigger babble and needs to be told to shut the fuck up
>>573660331>anon has a schizophrenic episode trying to identify a specific guy who upset him one time
I love playing zealotI love using martyrdomI love charging headlong into the deepest hell and unleashing holy furyI love taking so much damage and still being unkillableI love that the harder I push the more damage I do and the faster I swing
I made my skitarii as short as they can be
>>573660503Zealot charge should just be a fucking dash instead of some weird lockon bullshit. It's so fucking retarded when I see some enemy gunner and I blast him with my revolver and then I see that I accidentally cucked my zealot's charge and now they're in the middle of no-man's land getting shot the fuck up instead of finishing their dash that should have forced the shooters into melee.
>>573660876As it should be
Just got to H25When does this turn from "kind of sweaty but fun" to straight CBT
>>57366110930
>Hit 30>All desire to play lost I wish we had a prestige system with cosmetics instead of Havoc
tfw arby favorite class but mystery said it's bad
>two skittles just spamming arc rifles>into the poxwalkers and not the shootersNIGGERS
>>573662852Haha! *bzzt* hehe *bzzt* *bzzt* I'm having fun! *bzzt*
>>573662735>Solo build is completely brain dead and invincible meaning even the most dumb motherfucker can do Auric/Havoc easily >Dog build is slightly less durable but basically adds a whole extra player who wipes ranged or specials continuously I cannot fathom, knowing how fucking stupid the average player is, anyone could think Arby is bad ever. I would take the dog over most players.
I like using the galvanic rifle
Why the fuck does fatshart keep hexbound in the havoc rotationIf it has been TWO ENTIRE YEARSAND THEY STILLCANNOTFIX THEM
Every class should have a 2 handed great weapon. Give Hivescum one of these.
>>573663461>THE DARKNESS ARISES>THE DARKNESS ARISES>THE DARKNESS ARISES
>>573663461>hab dreykoYou're lucky there also wasn't a normal daemonhost at the same spot so you had to fight TWO of the fucking cunts and then lieutenants at the same time.
>>573661187Why is his body so big? Or at least head?
>>573662985it just doesn't do much damage compared to other classes. You have no signature weapons that just dominate battles.
>>573663998In youtuber theory world I am sure that matters, in reality its redundant.
>Havoc-Forged shriek psyker>Picked up grimoire>Asked to drop grim, outright ignored even on low white health and almost purple first health bar>Died to a poxburster from behind because too busy flaming poxiesHappy ending, good riddance to a heretical witch.
>If you want to do an insane amount of damage, both single target nuking and general dps then you play the light nimble weapons>Not the big slow fuck off sticks that limit your mobilityPlease make it make sense.
>>573664192Balanced for malice
>>573664192ogryn doesn't have this problem btw. And thunderhammer can finish a mission with more overkill damage than regular damage
I'm thinking about doing some trolling this weekend. Tired of how long it takes teammates to kill elites, especially snipers. If you sit back and watch them, each sniper is like a 30-35 second long challenge for them. I might go Ogryn + Slab Shield + Kickback and I'll just sit near the edge of a fight barely pulling my weight and sometimes shooting a trapper, that's it, for the whole map.
>>573664465>shooting a trappermore input than your average pubby already
Supportmaxxing skittle builds actually make it easy to corpse-drag pubbies through auric quickplay (maelstrom dwellers USUALLY know how to play the game) sure they eat shit and die as soon as they stray away from your aura of unlimited toughness but that's what the res skull is for.
>only worthwhile penances left are shit best done in snoretis biles
I'm realizing i need to start taking bursters a lot more seriously. I play too much ogryn and so i don't care about eating a burster or two in between med stations because nothing else can really damage me. But I've noticed it's leading to bad situations pretty often these days so i guess it's time for a training montage
>>573661671Bruh your penance rewards? Your making a good enough build to handle auric/auric malestrom/havoc 30? Your "knowing how to have fun with the class"?
>>573664608>bad cosmetics >try hard no fun allowed linear builds >this was achieved 1 to 30
>>573664608this game could have nothing but a half dozen maps and i'd still put another 1k hours into it because the gameplay is just that good
>>573664708Don't give Sw*doids ideas for DT2
>>573664608This >>573664708I hope fatshart are kicking themselves for not thinking of HD2 warbonds system. That alone is better than everything they've done to try and monetize darktide.
>>573659817>ranged enemies deal an amount of damage to the player normally reserved for milsim gameshonestly that's fine, we can just use cover, that's what it's there for so it's good that a gamemode makes you actually use it and->they spawn everywherewell>and just teleport between monster closetsokay but>and they're constantly going to be shooting you from every single angle no matter what you do bu>WHILE infinite melee enemies who explode into toxic green cum are climbing up your assb>BEAST OF NURGLE!!!!
>>573665098>duck into cover>they just shoot me through it anyway
>>573665098what's the matter chud, afraid of some aryan game design?
Havoc is funny in that I rarely see someone go down, usually they just up and fucking die instantly
>sure they eat shit and die as soon as they stray away from your aura of unlimited toughness but that's what the res skull is for.Going full support on this class isn't worth it IMO. You end up with a team that scatters, you're fucked. You end up with one guy going that way and you decide to follow, no he went that way, now you're fucked. You do anything but be a subservient bitch to a perfect team of coordinated dudes sticking together and you're fucked, but at that point, did you really need to be there? On the flip side, leaning more towards 50/50 offense/support pays in droves. He has strong as hell offensive talents and support talents. Balance them out and you have a stronger team and dude who doesn't get gangraped when the carapace shows up.
>>573664949No. Games like these work best with the Payday 2 method of map+weapons+skins in a DLC. It incentivizes making the things everyone wants. Then you just need to not be retard slow FS and actually create them.But they fucked it all up by promising to make the maps free. Since they're free, they're not worth dev time.Warbonds do not work with games like these because maps take a lot more effort to make.
>>573665748Lol no. Referring to Payday 2 as 'work best' in any regard is retarded. HD2 model is the only good coop game model, all others have flopped in comparison.
>>573665748>implying anyone gives a shit about maps or comes back for maps
What is wrong with Power Overload? Is it just that Flensing has better nodes to take along the path? It's so simple to hit the limits in PO (I know it is for Flensing as well) for the permanent upgrades until you die (don't do this). I feel like I am missing something.
>>573642582>teammate is retarded enough to get downed/disabled behind a point of no return>skull saves the day>teammate is netted far away but there's enemies in the way and you can't get there in time>skull saves the day>teammate went down to some retarded shit like a singular shooter and getting him would otherwise commitment>skull saves the day>someone went down but literally everyone else is busy fighting off a boss and hordes of specialists>skull saves the day>(You) magically survived a bad situation and are now clutching (a fantasy scenario for (You), I'm aware) but there's too much flamer/sniper/mutant spam to get your buddies from the totem pole>believe it or not, skull saves the dayIt's a singular point for a ranged revive, if you don't see the value you must be fucking retarded.
>>573666287Payday 2 had massive player retention and growth. As did Vermintide 2 with basically the same model, Helldivers 2 comparison does not work as it is not.But your reply does radiate low IQ.>>573666318Yes. Maps to play more of the base gameplay is the number one most asked feature. Every single poll by a large margin.
>>573666695>Helldivers 2 comparison does not work as it is not.HD2 has more players than Payday, Darktide or V2 so your entire argument is pointless. Go be retarded somewhere else.
New maps are cool but they're so hit and miss these days. The newer carnival map sucks and so does the one with the frozen factory you restart. And don't get me started on expedition sloppa
>>573666695>Maps have been releasing since launch>Game has been bleeding players>Game starts adding classes>Huge increase in players >Exact same thing happened with V2 classes/sub-classes, HD2 warbonds, Payday weapon/class rebalances, ect ect ect No one gives a shit about maps.
>>573666695>anon confuses what he wants vs what actually works People want gameplay. Maps mean fuck all.
but why was darktide broken
>>573667542Sw*d*n
>>573666695>Helldivers 2 comparison does not work as it is not.I dont even like HD2 but you have to be insane to say this. HD2 has something like 200-300k players every 120 days when they do a major update.
>>573667542Not enough holidays, they were very stressed
>>573667053>>Maps have been releasing since launchYeah once every year or so? Too little too late.>No one gives a shit about maps.Maybe they would if these dumbfuck swedes actually started working and adding maps someone gives a fuck about.Technically adding new maps to mortis trials and expeditions and whatever third dead mode they're going to cook up in 2027 doesn't count because nobody gives a fuck about those modes. Imagine if we got an entire new campaign worth of maps. The current Battle for Tertium is something like 17 missions. Imagine a whole new campaign with 15-20 new missions, at least a third of them in a new biome, all featuring at least new pieces in their respective biome tilesets, all in the quality of No Man's Land (and escalating to that mission's difficulty toward the finale) and Clandestium Gloriana, both of which are very pretty and actually rather unique to play through compared to the other missions.>but anon I literally just said people wouldn't careAnd that's where I let you in on a big, powerful secret: An intelligent, non-swedish company that isn't allergic to doing work, does this kind of shit in the background, and simply ships it alongside the next big class DLC that brings this massive influx of players you described. You know what those maps are going to do? Drive retention. Because there's now a whole lot of new missions for returning players to play through, and in general more variety when you hit quickplay. It's not that people don't care, it's just that new maps aren't flashy enough. They are, however, important.Counter example: Imagine if you could only ever play the same 3 maps, the way it sometimes feels in havoc. Shit would get boring real fast, huh. inb4 >this is already the caseThe actual problem is that you're directly associating "new maps" with "at fatshark pace", when the latter is the problem, not the former.
>>573666378the nodes for getting power load are weirdthe supplementary nodes feel like they should be baked in as it has no inherent defense until after you killed everything, unlike flensing despite the fact they chip awayyou get more capacitance with flensingpower overload isnt something i would use when playing adc skittari, ironically, its better for voltaic builds because they can lose some defensive power because of the all the cc they have, if youre shooting people i think going into flensing is better because you can toggle adc to get back to max stacks
FUCK YOU
>>573668004>invalidates your entire modifierlol>inb4 some crate shitter griefer trying to posture as if he plays havoclmao declined
>>573590610Who fucking tired of these newfags in DRG? The recent sale brought in fresh wave of knuckle dragging zoomer retards.
>>573667730Didn't read. No one gives a shit about maps.
>>573667730>Anon writes an essay to explain how true communism just hasn't worked yet because no one gave it a fair shotSure kid
>>573668145I don’t think zoomies are the ones playing that stuff man it seems like a millennial redditor hotspot
>>573665098>>573665226Not to mention>try to use cover as is supposedly intended despite this being a meme in any other game mode>suppression mechanic affects you still and keeps you from being able to accurately shoot back, maintaining its position as the single worst mechanic in the game>ammo nerfs make returning suppressive fire a needless waste of ammoIt's so silly. I have enjoyed Havoc from time to time, but I can't be bothered to keep regrinding for a gamemode I only enjoy intermittently and in small doses thanks to the annoyance of grouping and all the shitty balance going on in it.
>>573664192>he didn't get the sippy cups full of dumb-fuck juice while they were still on saleShame. Guess you'll never be able to make sense of the Swedish design philosophy
>>573665098>>573669368>learn to slide>shooters no longer fuck you up>inb4 b-but anon they still kill me!You aren't sliding correctly.>bring smoke grenades>shooters stop existing>inb4 b-but anon I can't seeNeither can they, stop whining.>how DARE this mode create new, difficult problems with unique solutions that don't exist anywhere elseHow about you play easy mode if you want to play dogshit builds with dogshit team compositions
>>573669368The grouping is the biggest deterrence for me, however it's now one of the only game modes I genuinely enjoy now. Taking 10-20 minutes to fill out a party is not fun at all, especially when the party finder fucking sucks donkey balls even with mods and is broken half of the time.
>>573669564>resident Havoc 40 defender joins in to call anyone a shitter who dares say his favorite gamemode has flawsYes, yes your epeen is huge, and the gamemode doesn't have any contradictory or badly designed elements at all. We're all very impressed
Arbiter Shock Maul or Crusher for Arbiter?
>>573669848I never said it wasn't badly designed. It is. That doesn't make your skill issue any less apparent. Shooters aren't the problem, you are.
>make shooters deal a quarter of their current damage>bar consolegroids from joining entirely, no nogamesstation or xbots allowed at ALL to join so the game doesn't have to limit itself so harshly to consolefaggot niggers>quadruple the maximum spawn size and intensity, give us the proper hordes and insane spawn density the game is supposed to have. There, I fixed havoc.
>>573658890Female space marines never existed.You calling SoB female marines tells me you are a retard tourist.
>>573669564>is the gamemode I autistically play and have centered my personality around, flawed?>no, it's the children who are wrongIt's impressive the cognitive dissonance you guys manage to pull off.
>>573670514See >>573670064 you fucking retard. Two things can be true at the same time, you literal third-world-minded tribalistic sub-human.
>>573670064No, you're clearly defending it by jumping at everyone who levies criticism and going, "huurrrr you're bad." I simply pointed out how contradictory their mechanics were and how bad the suppression system is, and you jumped on me with all of your gay little strawman bullet points, and your>how DARE this mode create new, difficult problems with unique solutions that don't exist anywhere elseas if that isn't the biggest joke ever. All Havoc does is crank up the dial on a bunch of numbers to the point where half the shit in the game (or more) is no longer viable. Nothing about it is fundamentally new, and none of the problems are difficult to solve in any way that matters. You just need to have teammates who aren't retarded, and that is the least fun problem to solve of them all.
>>573670280>quadruple spawn size>clutching becomes impossible>people's framerate goes to the shitter>even smaller selection of viable weapons and buildsGlad you're an internet masochist and not a game dev
>>573670651>You just need to have teammates who aren't retarded, and that is the least fun problem to solve of them all.Translation:>the mode is too difficult for me to solo carry so I need them to make it easier so I can solo carry itYou need to work on hiding your retarded whiny points better, my dear auric WARRIOR.
>>573670765Yes, and now there's more gay strawmanning by the person who's totally not defending the game mode and is totally willing to allow the point that Havoc is poorly designed. Get real, buddy.
>>573664331>ogryn doesn't have this problem btw.Yeah, because all of his weapons suck dick and are just worse versions of other classes weapons.
>>573670829>levies several dozen complaints>virtually all of them are skill issues and "I am a low functioning anti-social autist and have a conniption every time I must interact with another human being"You could always try gitting gud, at this rate YWNBATS
>>573670917>is incapable of reading to bootKeep going, anon. It's getting funny now
>>573663787They really should>>573664863Thankfully that won’t be happening since they scrapped it
>hmmm>yon barrel on a bridge>and a daemonhost just ahead
>>573663461Yeah, that's such bullshit.I had that happen in my Warren 6-19 mission where it spawned 2 of the fucking cultists on top of the daemonhost on a previous section we went past.
>>573670765Sorry kiddo, Fatshark had to make Havoc because "everyone should be able to beat the highest difficulty level". So now those same people move onto Havoc, the new highest difficulty, in an extremely surprising turn of events
>>573671169>"everyone should be able to beat the highest difficulty level"Yeah I'm pretty sure this is the source of 90% of havoc whining and bitching: Shitters being extremely salty over the game telling them they're not good enough in an easily quantified manner, that other players can very clearly see.>overconfident Dunning-Krugroid tries havoc, confident he'll destroy it>gets hardstuck at 25>de-ranks and fails to ever progress>is forever branded as a h25 hardstuck, as visible by TrueLevel users>now starts whinging and whining and shitting and pissing and crying about mods to the point of retarded extremism, just so he stops being shamedTrust me, everyone knows why the whiny shitters are whining.
if you're dead you should NOT show up on the dropship in the extract cutsceneif anyone is dead it should play the cutscene with the survivors on the dropship first, then cut to the defeat cutscene showing the guys who died in the pile of poop
>>573672138*barrels you just before extraction*
>>573671169Only reason why havecocks gamemode was made was purely because people bitched that auric got too easy.Even though it would've been less work and better for the over all health of the game if these swedish niggers would pull their heads out of their ass and nerf players and nerf many oppressingly OP weapons and buffing the under performers.Instead they then decided to waste their time making a gamemode that is actually pointless, and ever since has only made Darktide worse because now everything is balanced around havoc, which fucks any sort of balance in aurics.And we are only getting some "balance pass" shit like 2-3 years too late, only because the situation has become so fucking bad that it is actively rotting the foundations of the game.
The game would be balanced if it was PC only.A brutal blackpill you will have to swallow, the game will never be where it needs to be as a result. You just have to accept this.
>balanced around le havocYeah, sure. Game totally isn't balanced around heresy. (it is.)
>>573672304>everything is balanced around havocMy brother in christ the swedish devs cannot even complete a heresy
>>573672304>and nerf many oppressingly OP weaponsThe weirdest part is how some truly oppressively overpowered shit in havoc 40 isn't even really all that good in auric.>flame staffAuric doesn't have enough density, you'll do bigger numbers with some other staff's leftclick>rumbler, GG, flamer, etc.You have 3 first time gamer teenager noobs who are overwhelmed with fighting 2 poxwalkers while standing still, they are not ever even so much as acknowledging the sniper you tagged 20 seconds ago and are now dying to it in droves.>rampage scumUtterly broken in havoc, but can't comfortably solo gigacarry aurics because you're too squishy to do hacking objectives and don't have stun immunities to shrug random poxers harassing you.Auric and havoc play so massively differently that they're basically different games at this point, and this is in large part owed to forced deranks kicking turbo shitters out and locking the door behind them.Imagine the game quality if mouthbreathers were barred from auric.
>>573672297cunt
>>573672801>YOU HAVE FAILED THE EMPEROR!
>>573672540>>573672448You realize the devs just blindly buff shit until the players find it fine for Havoc right? They collect stats and balance by usage numbers
>>573673034I can't imagine how retarded you'd have to be to think this when there are so many worthless weapons
>>573673034>everything is done for the benefit of havoc!the uncanny nerf would like a word
>>573673136to be fair it was paired with crusher nerf
>>573673096Because Fatshark is known to work fast right? Meanwhile PBB got repeat buffed to orbit becuase someone at Ftashark designed they must now get the usage rates up. Twice
>>573673096NTA but I can see it indeed going by usage numbers. The retarded part is assuming that a swede can read data. They might literally just parse per-game usage, including the however many gorillion games of newfags playing with newfag weapons, creating the illusion of the skitty's plebbit garand being good enough to be worth using, even though only newfags and retards use it because it's a piece of shit.I imagine tons of people use the heavy sword in malice difficulty and below, for example. Or the shredder autopistol on classes that aren't scum. And various other barely viable constellations of utter non-viable nonsense.
>>573673278No. That was a direct response to specific playtester feedbackThe bad weapons have been bad since before havoc was a thing and their attempts to buff them have done nothing to improve their havoc viability because havoc viability isn't their goal
>>573672387Playing on PC is more of a cheat than any mod. The true blackpill is your havoc 40 doesn't count unless it was on controller.
>>573672387God I love it when my video games are constantly hobbled and held back by needing mass appeal to consolegroid normies to stay alive.
I still don't understand why they nerfed heavy sword, nerfed the vigilant autoguns (holy fuck lmao, just fucking WHY.) or hell even the bolter nerfs felt incredibly unwarranted because of how much commitment bolter weapons need.
>>573673969Those nerfs were actually to make them more havoc viable
>>573673657There's no way there were any playtesters that asked them to buff it TWICE
Playing with the new Plasma Gun mark is fun. But man, only having 2 dodges has made me eat 2 trapper nets in that last game.I am not used to this.
>>573674267The playtesters specifically said that they needed to reduce the CD and said it shouldn't cost ammo because the scum ranged ability also allowed you to shoot for free. So they decided to implement both the CD reduction and ammo cost reduction
Lugger should be replaced with a recharging minigun
>>573674605They are saving that for the SoB
Okay so I get that +x% crit/headshot/finesse damage modifiers only apply to the crit/headshot damage that happens on top of the normal body shot damage.But how does the math work for a modifier that exclusively boosts headshot or crit damage on a crit headshot?
>>573606107I am 6'4" IRL so making my character tall makes it easier to move around and navigate in game, more natural
>>573606107made my first three characters 75% height and I keep getting netted, bursted or dogged in dense horde, also skitty came out I just maxxed it. now it's piss easy to just casually cleave and push horde in my peripheral vision while watching approaching disablers and pushing/sniping them
>>573606107Small: meleeTall: snipingMedium: retard option
>>573607067>flamer>pickpocketyeah it's flame psyker time
>>573675243Medium is for having the best head-cleaving angle.
>>573675286That's small
>>573675310Maybe. I was just thinking of "min-height, max-height, or anywhere in the middle" which I realize now is probably not how you meant it. I just know my min-height psyker has a fucky angle that I hate for trying to cleave and I keep forgetting to fix it
>>573675243in melee you need the height that lets your weapon's hitbox intersect as many heads as possihle on your specific horde clear combo. I think you have to be slightly taller than the horde so it sweeps them at head height but maybe darktide does that shooter thing where the pivot of the sweep is your camera
Reaper, more like reapist because holy FUCK this fat retard just does NOT stop
>>573675754Reapers are a very good reason to run 2-3 gunner resist curios (that stat works against them)
>>573675754>>573675801the fuck are you two on about, i'd put reapers slightly above poxwalkers in the menacing enemies tier. Those mfers do NOTHING every time
>>573675903That's because everyone always homes in on instantly killing them before they become a threat, usually because they spawn in such small number and also have huge head hitboxes for easy headshots.They're a legitimate threat in havoc where they can just mow you down in point blank and there's nothing you can do about it, no matter how hard you whack their head. Emperor help you if they're rainbow colored or have head cancer and become literally stun immune.
>>573675903>100 to 0 you in 2 seconds from 40 meters without making a soundhaha yeah this enemy is a joke
>>573672557>kicking turbo shitters out and locking the door behind themLmao when said like that maybe the game does need more exclusion mechanics. I kinda miss the time when auric was "hidden" behind a second page on the mission terminal, a barrier even this paper-thin filtered some retards.
>>573675642You haven't played Bardin have you
>>573676396Seriously though. The difference in match quality is absolutely fucking crazy. Auric always has at least 2 but most often 3 (and possibly even 4 in any games (You) and I aren't actively carrying on our backs) utter vegetables in it to the point of effectively playing single player. Where is the co-op in my co-op game? I don't consider slowing down to less than half of what is acceptable pace to hold some retarded child's hand to be co-op. Such a player belongs in malice, not auric.Havoc 40 usually has at most 1 bad player that just goes down or dies regularly, but that can at least be mitigated because that player doesn't usually run off.
>>573672304>everything is balanced around havocThat's not even trueWe have ammo reserves balanced around malice with the assumption that you can always loot ammoWe have cleave built on hit mass mechanic that's thrown out the window in havocWe also have infinite cleave shit that's in line with other things in malice but breaks havoc.Havoc is a hobby project, it's like a mod. They take the game balanced around malice and then try to crank up the difficulty by messing up with mechanics they have no business touching.If the game was actually balanced around havoc, it would be much better. Heck, even if we had a competent game designer building havoc and not a retard who doesn't understand the consequences of messing with fundamental mechanics like hit mass, it would still be much better, even if the balancing was done in malice
>>573676656>people who climb to the top of the extra-difficult alternate game mode for sweats are better players than the ones in normal queuesWhen are you getting your groundbreaking research published in a scientific journal?
>>573676656>Havoc 40 usually has at most 1 bad player that just goes down or dies regularlyFor the longest time I just assumed they were having an off day but then I installed the mod that shows one's current assignment.
>>573664192>If you want to do an insane amount of damage, both single target nuking and general dps then you play the light nimble weaponsthe fact that the best melee weapons into masses of enemies clad head to toe in heavy armor are>officer's parade sabre>regular ass knife>sharpened rebar fragmentswill never not be funny to me
>>573676880The most ironic part is that even malice can't pretend to be balanced. In case you've forgotten the arbitrator launch: 4 dogs is at least 2 too many for elite/specialist density in malice. The dogs, on their own, just win the game. I'm pretty sure the arbitrators could just hold block all match and only do the occasional hacking objective, and the dogs would win.
>>573677032Let's give credit where it is due, the scifi power/magic swords are also top tier.
>>573677097Arbitrator launch was intentional. They couldn't release a class that's weaker than Ogryn, and they wanted to sell an op class. They nerfed him and Ogryn later by buffing everything else.And well, malice is malice, literally everything is trivial in malice. It's balanced, even if too easy.
>>573677160Power falchion is a joke on veteranPower sword is good, but common opinion is that it's a jokeMechanicus power sword is a fucking prankWe have two anons creaming to chainaxe daily but let's be real, it's way below average.Same goes for chain swords (though nobody pretends they are good)
>>573677160>the scifi power/magic swords are also top tier.power sword is solid but only because you have infinity grenades and a good ranged weapon on vet to get out of more tricky situationspower falchion is a jokerelic blade gets cucked by regular dudes with a cardboard shield
>>573676982No, anon, you misunderstand.The players I frequently see in auric are sub-bot levels of retarded. They are deaf, have blinders on, and cannot see their UI. They do not react, they do not interact, they do not act. They don't even keep up.3 random auric players can NOT, even together, even using everything at their disposal, deal with even a moderate scab rager wave that has a crusher or two in it. They simply do not have the raw DPS required, and that is not a very high bar at all. It's very frequent to see 2 downs when ragers spawn. If I'm not there to kill everything, I assume my retards die, and I am almost always correct.It is not okay for entire matches to be populated with complete retards that do worse than a bot would. That is the worst possible match quality. There is no cooperation here. It's 3 parasites leeching off my carry, because the instant I make a singular mistake, the game immediately ends from a lack of me DPSing everything down, while my retards don't even have the capability of fighting their way through the 3 poxers to get to me an un-net me, assuming they even notice in the first place, which they don't.>Inb4 skill issueI acknowledge that making mistakes is a skill issue, yes. Do you acknowledge that the expectation of having a cooperative teammate help me out, is perfectly reasonable?
>the canon loadout of arc maul + phophor pistol is not only viable but among the bestThis pleases my autism.
>>573677780>This pleases my autism.I read this in male exterminator's cadence
>>573672138Also we should look like this>>573672387Not really no
>>573677854As you should.
I want to be breadPreferably sourdough
>>573677854>male exterminatorSorry I'm retarded I meant pathfinder. They're all still new and I have trouble telling them apart.Why are there 4 voices with different sexes anyway
Rampage Scum is what I wish Zealot was>>573676982Get rid of that and download this here gif (jiff) image file
>>573677931>pathfinderI swear if I hear optimus prime scold me for looking down on those retards one more time...
>>573678047>jiffJraphics Interchange Format, Faggot.
>>573678047>jraphicsniggerAs nonsensical as Gibbing being pronounced with a J, I don't give a shit what John Romero says. It's G.
>>573677448I think you're just disillusioned in your expectations for the average gamer. Y'know like, "think of how stupid the average person is, now think about how 50% of people are even stupider that." I mean, I know your pain, I really wish I could get my friends to play with me instead of being a solo quickplay warrior, but I'm also not surprised at all when I get clueless people in my games. Just the nature of the beast man, and it's the same anywhere you go. Not at all surprised it's worse with Skitarii hype, the game being on sale recently, and just the general drag that crossplay forces on PC players in any video game ever. You've got to keep in mind that, even just being in a forum discussing our game when we're not playing, talking about technical things like balance and strategy and builds, puts all of us here in some of the highest percentiles of "gamers," not just in this genre but overall. Most people are much more casual and unmotivated to improve at this hobby. And to be clear since we had this same discussion like... yesterday? The night before? This is more advice about how to find some zen in your gaming than it is excusing people for biting off more they can chew queuing for aurics.>>573678047Thanks anon I had it in jiff form already but it was too big (how the fuck did I get a 4.8MB version of that gif? I have no idea.) so my image resizer just auto-converted it to a jpeg.
>>573678047>Rampage Scum is what I wish Zealot wasZealot used to be that but they nerfed him too much.
>>573672540The devs listen to the playtester faggots. All which are players who pretty much exclusively play havoc only at this point.
>>573678201>>573678390Hook. Line. Sinker.
>>573678532
>>573678396You are correct in your analysis of the average gamer, but there should absolutely be a system in place that brutally punishes players for being dead weights, and thus makes it impossible for these mouthbreathers to exist in auric. Keep the shitters confined to malice where they belong, and let them dip their toes into heresy only to get stuck because they are legitimately too retarded to climb out.
>>573678509Who do you think is responsible for the noose skull and the martian psword? Also, do you think the plasma reload bug also works on vet and that this is why the youtubers kept glazing weapons specialist?
>>573678735I dunno, it makes sense at a glance (even if I think "brutal" is way too far and just a minor penalty of some sort would go a long way towards your ends) but do you really want to deal with shitters not only ruining your games but also getting you penalties when they wipe your games? It seems like it could become monkey-paw design really quickly and it would open the gates WIDE open for trolls to just run it down in games now that they tangibly set you back instead of just wasting your time.
I'm dying...My last request...My dying wish...Is to nerf ogryns melee again...
>>573676880>We have ammo reserves balanced around malice with the assumption that you can always loot ammoThe ammo restriction only exists in havoc to tame all of the OP ranged weapons. The devs give absolutely zero fuck about shit like autoguns, because they are MEANT TO SUCK DICK.>We have cleave built on hit mass mechanic that's thrown out the window in havocNo, it still applies in havoc and all of the increased hit mass again exists to leash down shit like the power sword and relic blade.>We also have infinite cleave shit that's in line with other things in malice but breaks havoc.Infinite cleave exists on very few weapons. Also even in havoc these things aren't as gamebreaking in havoc as you'd think. Like ogryn's slab shield, it has brutal momentum and despite it it's still one of the mediocre weapons for ogryn in Havoc. Instead you take power maul so you can spam skullcrusher OR you take pickaxes which have such absurd levels of cleave baked in that they only start to feel balanced in havoc. They also get access to the few of the best blessings, slaughterer and headtaker.>Havoc is a hobby project, it's like a mod. They take the game balanced around malice and then try to crank up the difficulty by messing up with mechanics they have no business touching.Havoc is not a hobby project. It specifically exists to be the main "End Game" content for Darktide. All of the playtesters who work with Fatshark say this, because the devs have told them so.However. The Swedes are fucking RETARDED.>If the game was actually balanced around havoc, it would be much better. It fucking isn't better at all.Arbites is blatantly balanced all the playtesters said it when it was first released. Even ogryn is, ogryn sucks because it is DESIGNED TO SUCK.He's a debuff stick for the team, his point for existing is to indirectly help his team by applying skullcrusher and brittleness and taking aggro that's why his damage fucking sucks.
>>573679093Make losing a game not financially sustainable for a shitter that wipes half the time. Losses no longer reward you with materials you picked up, and in fact give you a stacking material penalty that costs you actual in-game currency that escalates with every subsequent loss.Apply this to leaving mid-mission too. The first game you leave is free, any after that start costing.>do you really want to deal with shitters not only ruining your games but also getting you penalties when they wipe your games?Yes, because this DISPROPORTIONATELY punishes shitters in the worst way possible, while game quality either remains neutral, or even goes way up as a result. I already assume my 3 retards are griefers and try to position myself accordingly with any and all barrels and poxbursters. Shit I make an active effort to shoot all barrels before getting anywhere near them, because too many double niggers have blown me off, not on purpose, but through sheer retardation.
>>573679169this but unironically
>>573679338*raises paw* the paul explosion counts as an "infinite cleave shit".
>>573679032>Who do you think is responsible for the noose skull and the martian psword?The playtesters.Who all which use shit like macros to automate attack swing patterns.The mech power sword is actually decent, it only sucks because it's moveset is trash. But you can get around that by just using a macro to abuse switch cancelling or the sort.Fucking everyone uses an autoclicker for shit like tac axe already. Same goes for the Slab Shield where everyone just uses a macro to constantly block cancel into Heavy 1.This is also the reason why Slab Shield still hasn't gotten fixed in 4 years btw, it's because every retard playtesters and "high level" player just uses a macro to automate the fucking weapon which makes it seem like that it is "balanced" when in reality it fucking sucks except for 1 attack.
>>573657129The table top can be notoriously inconsistent too. Ironically some of the most outlandish things come from it. FFG basically broke everything with the way their space marine strength values stacked if you took them to their logical conclusion and just kept adding up the numbers. There are inconsistencies, but you can establish a baseline with the other materials regardless. You pretty much have to separate crunch from literally everything else we’ve seen depicted of the setting from games to novels for it to make any sense but the specific interpretations are up for a person to decide usually. That’s just the nature of the medium.
>>573582742They absolutely do. There's a massive leap between bringing in aliens which most of the cast already hates by virtue of us being imperials and bringing in more imperial reinforcements. It permanently and soundly establishes Grendyl as a radical at that, which is a pretty big leap in development, it's something that needs to be handled and built up to properly, something drastic needs to happen for them to even consider it.>>573584479They still need to model the weapons, give them unique animations, firing effects, etc.
>>573679742The lore police is going to get on their ass and fine the studio one million aquilas per unsanctioned xenos on the ship if they don't make a sufficiently convincing cutscene to explain this shit.
>>573679742my brother in space christ, we managed to get actually confirmed criminals on the ship at the same time as the judge dredd ripoffs without any major explanation as to why they're tolerating itthere are eldar on the ship, somewhere, that brahms took in some time ago, or she did them a favor ages ago and they're here to repay it>>573679915the explanation is that it's a rogue trader vessel and they're brahm's elves, done
>>573638175why do you ask so many questions?
>>573679032Playtesters and QA team are different things.QA needs to make sure mechanics work as intended (e.g. noosy requires capacity to activate, power sword special deals correct amount of damage, etc.).Then after this shit is verified, playtesters simply play the game and give their feedback on how satisfying the gameplay is, if there's shit that's underwhelming or overpowered, if gameplay is not engaging, if enemies feel bad to fight against, if puzzles are boring, etc. Of course they can report bugs, but that's not their main jobs. Such obvious bugs shouldn't get part QA in the first place.Judging by their job listings, I suspect they don't have any QA at all. It's not fair to blame volunteer playtesters for fatshark's incompetence and/or negligence.
>>573678047
>>573679338You are even more retarded than swedes are
>>573680217Fair enough.
>>573641739It is technically possible to get huge value. But it's extremely rare, and imo not worth the talent point.
>>573648136I like the class but not the class specific weapons with the exception of the arc rifle, chordclaw fucks
did they nerf the shotgun's flame shot?
>>573674823Can no one answer this...?
>>573680898Bigger number more better :)
>>573680892that's not a class exclusive weapon so there is no way of knowing as no one uses those
>>573674823Sorry, we are too busy throwing shit at each other.Critical weakspot hit is both critical and weakspot, both modifiers should affect it (and stack).This is how everyone else says it works, I never bothered to test it myself.
>>573681036if you dont know the answer you dont have to reply
>>573681059? you asked me
>>573680898Google whatever the talent's or whatever's name is and there'll be a Steam guide by kuli that lists the effect and says the math.And or check the rough math in meat grinder.
>>573681054If I wasn't clear enough, all the damage above base damage is both critical damage and weakspot damage
>>573678390>>573678201>he pronounces scuba as "scuhba">he pronounces jpeg as "jayfeg"
>>573680892Yeah. A long time ago. It no longer has infinite cleave
>>573681054Well I expect the crit and weakspot exclusive modifiers to apply, but by how much?Is it:>+33% weakspot damage increases a crit headshot by ((crit headshot damage) - (body shot damage)) x 1.33or>+33% weakspot damage increases a crit headshot by ((headshot damage) - (body shot damage)) x 1.33
>>573682312I have noticed that any autist like this that joins games is also always someone who leaves the moment they get netted or go down
>>573679915That’s a funny way to say GW>>573680035> we managed to get actually confirmed criminals on the ship at the same time as the judge dredd ripoffs without any major explanation as to why they're tolerating itThe explanation is that they can’t afford to turn the help down. That’s still not on the level of literal aliens so that comparison doesn’t work. >BrahmsIs the one who hates aliens to begin with so that would be dumb. We already have a reasonable explanation in play though, they just need to put in action.
>>573682312>no extra health or toughnessHe's using 1 wound and 2 stamina
numbers are fake man it's just an abstractions it's all silly nonsensethe real world is grass and trees and rocks. Don't get lost in the sauce mannn just have fun!
To people who played both which I assume is everyone here, how do you like darktide compared to vermintide 2?
dukane is the most annoying character in the game
>>573682768Darktide has better combat but that's about it. Vermintide has better maps, more unique weapons and classes, much better characters and banter and just more sovl in general.
>>573682878For me it's Mazosi by a country mile
>>573682925Darktide is way better if build autism and skilltrees appeals to you, too.
>>573659698it was unironically better than 40k is now
>>573682878get zip it 2I haven't hear masozi or hallowette in agesthat guy from the barbershop seems weirdly schizophrenic to me now, always talking to himself in missions
>>573682878>he lives in a dimension where alouette doesn't exist
>>573682768I like the combat more, character trees are much better since things are way too linear and one dimensional in ratclick, but I miss everything else. The game suffers from being completely depersoned. The enemies aren't even fun to listen to either.
>>573683079In some ways sure. In others I have to say I prefer the current incarnation.
>>573680035The arbites are concerned with crimes that break the lex imperialis specifically.So usually individual hive scum aren't in actual danger unless they've committed a crime at some point that tangibly threatened the world's ability to pay the imperial tithe or have done something to encourage its independence from the imperium. Things like that.The hive scum are actually usually below the notice of the adeptus arbites if all they've been doing is random murders of the dregs of society and each other or running some non-heretical drugs.
Devil's Claw on the skitty? Don't think I've seen anyone even mention it, I keep forgetting he even has it as an option.
>>573683280It's mediocre. You have enough damage talents to make it useful, but you still rely on your ranged weapon to deal with armor, because no amount of crit brittleness or rending can help it function as a can opener.Most of the defensive benefit of parrying is overshadowed by tranny blades reaching over 70% crit rate and stunlocking everything. You aren't bringing dclaw into havoc so rainbow enemies do not apply.
>>573682878Not even close. She’s grating to listen to but then you have Masozi who’s on another level. Hallowette is bad too but at least she’s more cheery than anything.
I like Hallowette
>>573680035>without any major explanation as to why they're tolerating itThe explanation is that they’re not the ones interrupting the tithe and thus not their focus. The Arbites would absolutely take issue with Xenos like any other group taught and raised in the Schola though.
>>573682768-VT2 is too fucking hard after a break, and losing sucks so much. Some later maps are cock and ball torture.-Temp HP is not a good mechanic.-The characters are good sure, but POGGER'S BRIDGE every map gets grating.+Way better balanced, it is generally really fair without you feeling OP like in DTI played it for hundreds of hours and was untouchable at some point, but I'm never ever going back.
Say what you will about the mechanicus psword, but those first two light stabs in the combo feel good as fuck by themselves and I wish the dueling sword had them in one of its patterns.
>>573678201>>573678390>>573681429What a joke of a language, i'm glad i'm an ESL
devil's claw bros, how we feeling?
>>573682878hallowette sucks because her writing is just annoying. every 'charismatic' character in the game is annoyingly verbose and smug in the same way.
>>573684065it's still galled .gif even if you don't speak english
>>573682973>>573683587masozi sucks but she's barely in the game, dukane appears in more missions AND she speaks over the comms in the mourningstar often AND she's the gate for havocs AND her fake accent is super fucking bad and annoying
>>573684065Anon, those are still borrowed words in every other language because they are incredibly new words relevant to new technology or acts.
>>573684971Also Dukane is rude to my boys Morrow and Rannick.
>>573685209>Dukane is rude to MorrowShe offers him a promotion actually. She clearly respects him.
>I do not make requests, I give instructions.Oh yeah, I'm thinkin' Dukane needs me as a footslave immediately
>>573685209Halloween is rude to them too and calls you "toy soldiers"
>>573685298>going from chief of operations in the inquisition to basic bitch field officer in the guardNice "promotion"
>>573684338Hallowette feels like a self aware joke, being the obnoxious mtx merchant who charges ridiculous prices in-universe and out of it and laughs at you for falling for it
>>573685527>not aspiring to be the same measure of man as Knight Commander Raximillian DragorDo I smell heresy?
>>573685527Morrow isn't even capable of doing field work anymore thanks to his cryo Alzheimers that makes him black out at times and needs constant maintenance from Sefoni.
>>573685620Hallowette is a great character, I can't fucking stand her.
How do we deal with the fact that giving elite killing weapons cleave through talents and blessings utterly outclasses actually equipping cleaving weapons
>>573685620I think they intended her to be a genuinely likable character.
>>573685924This isn't true and melee cleave is a bad stat, newfriend.Power sword and relic blade are elite weapons that cleave insanely well.
>>573682669uhh based
>>573685924Can you give some specific examples because that doesn't sound right.
>>573686018>>573686078I mean Cleave as a result of Strength
>>573686129They would all still take strength even if it provided 0 cleave.
>>573686129
>>573685989They probably did yeah.>>573685527>>573685298That’s always been an annoying voice line. I get the intended meaning but a commissar attempting to poach members of an inquisitorial retinue is silly.
>>573663967>hisThat's the Arch Cannoness of the SoB
>>573682312did he at least have true survivor?
>>573685209PEAKin MY copeg?wack
>>573686190Cleave through Strength. Strength through Unity.
>>573683086>zip it 2mmmm nice
>>573683086That's strange, because Krall partners with either Sefoni on Ascension Riser or Zola on Warren, unless you muted Zola and/or Sefoni as well.
>>573686704I think he did, actually. It was a good run, I had 3 orange titles in there with me and they weren't slouches at all.
>>573685924Which weapons suffer from this besides heavy sword?Relic blade, power sword, and force greatsword all have good base cleave and are among the top picks for their classes.
>player with +thousands>dies twice, downs like 4 times
>>573687149Devil Claw, good cleaving horizontals that rape Ragers and Shotgunners, absolute dogshit carapace damage
>>573685470She seems to have the most antagonistic relationship with morrow out of everyone.
How the fuck do I make veteran not feel like complete and utter dogshit in melee? Whatever I do, it's absolutely FUCKING miserable.>shovel is slow and miserable and not good enough against armor, even the folding ones>combat axe is not only boring as fuck but also feels really mediocre on vet >knife doesn't horde clear well enough>dclaw is useless against armor>>>heavy sword>tac axe is only good with finesse stacking and still demands you take the brittleness/rending to even do anything>dueling sword is for trannies and faggots and I can't stand to use the thing>power sword is slow enough that being surrounded by random trash becomes an actual problem>chain weapons are a fucking joke>shock maul has zdps>falchion is a fucking disappointmentIt doesn't help that veteran is absolutely fucking miserable in melee in general.>director stops spawning elites/specialists to generate infinite toughness on >a single poxer hits you>this costs half your toughness>you now have no TDR and get shredded>absolutely no way of regaining toughness outside of using your abilityI realize there's a skill or build issue here somewhere, but meleeing on vet feels so fucking horrendous even after 300 levels.
>>573687445You'd expect her to be getting shit from the Arbites moreso than Morrow, since she is after all smuggling contraband.
>>573687656that's your skyrim playtime isn't it.. or warframe.
>>573687716retard
>>573687656luv me chain axe, luv me getting shitloads of free stagger and damage from dual strength stacking blessings, luv me weapon specialist, simple as.
>>573686786Unity through Faith.
I just realized after many hours of play that my main weapon still had a tier 3 perk on it instead of tier 4tehepero
>>573687710I assume it would only be the xenos trade that would actually get the arbites glaring at her.Cracking down on things like smuggling regular goods wouldn't usually be their focus, that would earn the ire of local law enforcement, assuming they aren't in on it.The arbites are feds and primarily concern themselves with those who break imperial law rather than petty infractions against local law.
>*bong accent* Yeaahh let's go!I wish the rampage shout was cooler
>>573687656Yep. Ds4 and estrogen or die.
>>573687656It's not possible.You have to play a different class to have an enjoyable experience.
>>573687045it's hallowette on ascension riser you dummy
Don't worry boys, Hallowette won't be feeling so chatty anymore once she's waddling around the mourningstar 8 months pregnant with my child
>>573687763There's no way you have 2k hours in darktide, 300 levels on vet and still having issues using power sword, and build issues. I refuse to believe it. Sure, maybe I would expect that from some random on auric, but a guy who calls me a retard on 4chan? Nah get out of here.
>>573687656Weapon specialist, but then you suck in ranged
>>573688279>izzat babbleretard
>>573688279>t. 4000 levels on vetIt's my least played class, I do just fine staying with the team and pushing shit, I mostly play vet with friends, and I just annihilate everything most of the time. It is literally only, exclusively, but predictably and regularly, when I'm surrounded by trash with no elites to delete, that a singular hit from a stray poxwalker becomes a fucking catastrophe, and I'm trying to see if there's some easy solution to it.Power sword is my most used weapon and I do just fine with it, but I don't want to have to try 10x as hard to succeed in melee compared to literally every other class.This mostly came up because the recent influx of retarded newfags has made auric a permanent solo experience, and vet is fucking miserable against endless swarms of poxers without elites to leech toughness from.
why are swedes so bad at just including information about weapons in the descriptions, gotta go to fuckin reddit or some shit to find out what half the weapon mks do
what even is moebian steel
>>573688626Steel with crushed Moeblobian 6th mixed in
>>573688626It's like dasmascus steel but scifi.
>>573688626bbc (sci-fi)
>>573687656i don't get it either. I only play vet when I want to shoot bolter for 90% of the mission.
>>573688589I see I see. well I can't help you there cause I'm like level 50 on vet, and also hate the toothpick, but I never had issues with hordes. like anon said, I use weap specialist, and for ranged a bolt pistol, but it doesn't suck in my exp.
>>573688589wait you're just talking about auric? Dude the chain axe, I was kidding before cause I figured this was havoc sweat stuff, the chain axe is amazing AND braindead to use.
>>573688589>influx of retarded newfagsHi that's me please be kind :)
>>573688626Extra durable alloy used in tank armor made from ore found on Atoma, which needs a long lost (now re-found) method of production else it yields substandard quality.
>>573689275nta but I'm always kind and patient! :3
>>573689264I second this. The chaxe is underrated for vet in aurics. Slap both ramping strength blessings and just go to town.
the level of dickriding zealots give to arbitrators is insane>they are as wheat before your scythe, exemplar!!!!
It's over
>>573689397Seriously, I can even throw a build together if anon wants. It feels great with weapon specialist and something like the revolver or plasma, they don't NEED a ton of point investment to perform well in aurics so you can go heavier on melee talents.
>>573689490Mork is this true
>>573688626A special combination of unique material compositions of the ore and esoteric smelting processes.Presumably it is a suitable and superior substitute for whatever metal they normally use for things such as vehicle hulls and the bodies of small arms and melee weapons.It's not really possible to say if it's even a kind of steel, as we have no information of the actual ore composition it is made from and if it even has iron in it at all. As it is seemingly made from ore, it is certainly some kind of metal.
>>573687656>you're only good at melee if you build for itabloobloosquare peg in round hole etc etc
>>573687710She’s apart of a rogue traders retinue so it ultimately isn’t too much of their business or concern, they probably still do shoot her a side glance though>>573687991>>573680898Sex
>>573689465my agitator zealot always seems to get more voicelines than anyone else just generally i wonder if it is just borked
>>573689797IT'Z ZOGGED YA GIT
Did the servers just shit themselves again
>>573691008billions must WAAAGH
Arbiter is so boring holy fuck why is this class so slow
>>573691527bro your caca stance?
>>573691527Because you haven't yet learned to swap to your ranged weapon between melee attacks to sprint and slide and never stop sliding to be almost stamina neutral.Arbitrator movement tech is simple but effective.
>warm up in auric quickplay>team is fucking retarded, how to scream at them in the mic so they stop going the wrong fucking way>get to the final section>pox gas everywhere>snipers everywhere>level 360 veteran on a team btw>he dies in some corner>team doesn't even bother rescuing him>finish the objective>check his build
just played an auric quickplay game with some troon screaming in my ear the entire match
what kind of deranged ordering does the character sheet go byit's not name, it's not level, it's not creation dateI made a skitarii expecting it to go to the bottom by default only for it to take third place
>>573688905>jeet “humor”
>>573690737It usually means you are doing the best at killing lots of things in your entire team. The better your performance, the easier dialogues or banters trigger between your character and the next better performance player during downtime. As long as you don't cutshort when moving to places (elevators, places of no return) or objs
>>573692429its probably something retarded like the planet you pick at the start
>>573692290What's wrong with this build?
i haven't won a havoc match in a month (mid 20s)
>>573692898+dogs maybe? Or maybe +flamer? Who knows. I would really prefer if Havoc trannies stayed in their containment zone instead of shitting up auric and seething that their teammates didn't carry them.
>>573693402I haven't won a havoc match ever (I refuse to play it)
>>573693552Holy based.
>>573693402I got back to 40 yesterday
why do you people wait so long to make a new thread?
>>573694170why dont you bake?
>>573694247Not him but I'm lazy as all fuck
>>573694170What do you mean "you people"??
Does uncanny strike apply to captain shields? Does bleed apply to captain shields?
>>573694937Uncanny cannot trigger on the shield, but any lingering brittleness should affect it.Bleed cannot apply to the shield, but any lingering bleed does damage directly to health I believe.
>>573694937Bleed is the only dot that keeps hurting the captain and not the shield iirc.
>>573692898NTA but: wrong mark on the axe, using autoguns to begin with (only infantry is barely useable), absolutely meaningless damage reductions (snipers lol, dogs lmao)
>>573695170Stacking sniper resist lets you facetank a shot or two.
>>573695048>>573695081Which one's better then
>>573695303I'm aware, you still want to dodge it completely and are better off with Gunners anyway, it's dogshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8q5qbtitVYThis is Jonathan Ferguson
>>573694247>>573694892I mean lazy peopleGet in>>573695561>>573695561>>573695561>>573695561
>>573695504give me the tl;dr, does he give the galvanic the reaming it deserves?
>>573695653He thinks the battery pack is a bit strange since it still uses regular rounds reload. And he also wondered why the garand became a blueprint for a weapon in an era where we had colonized Mars
>>573674451why are you making random shit up online
