Thunder Hammer, yes or no?

I fucking hate shitter trench in EU

>>573695667
It's a meme, only built to oneshot bosses while being terrible vs hordes especially now with Vanguards.

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I forget, what are the reasons for choosing between hyper-critical and hyper-violence for hive scum? Should I use hyper-critical with my gun build?

>>573695667
To the despair of many, it's irredeemable dogshit.

>>573695561
Are there any sisters of battle who fell to slaneesh worship? Just curious.

>>573695315
Generally Untranny Strike is used to help you kill carapace better, while bleeds go on crit builds or chain weapons (except Eviscerator which has an arbitrarily nerfed version).
Bleeds would be better for bossing if you can't get enough burst damage on your team, but Untranny Strike is better for killing armor if your ability or gun cannot.

>>573695504
>umm why does this futuristic stylized sci-fi weapon look so weird? why isn't it ARslop?

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>>573695962
Literally just one known sister. Sisters falling to chaos almost always does not happen. Period.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Miriael_Sabathiel

>>573695667
This
>>573695797
Vanguards have totally cucked it out of existence.

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>too retarded to consistently beat damnation
>hop on ogryn
>suddenly able to consistently beat it
is the class buffed by how stupid you are or something

>>573695869
they both just reward you for using weapons that are capable of dealing as much damage as possible in a single shot

can absolutely be used on a gun build, but it depends on the gun

>>573696201
>Literally just one known sister.
Imagine the amount of depraved things she does

>>573696201
Nah, it happens, they're just far better at concealing it than others. A whole order gets corrupted in Requiem Infernal, all the Sisters on the battlefleet that were corrupted by Khorne in arks of omen, etc
No one is incorruptible (well except people without souls like blanks) and if faith was all it took then marines wouldn't fall to chaos and, lol

I fucking hate trenchshitters
>hmmm should I pick ogryn grenade for the team or rock so I can at least kill gunners?
>okay this team is probably alright I'm gonna take grenade
>die to gunners 2 minutes into the game
FUCK

>>573696718
>if faith was all it took then marines wouldn't fall to chaos
marines are nowhere near as faithful as sororitas are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS5UGurCIN4

>>573696718
>if faith was all it took then marines wouldn't fall to chaos
NTA and not contesting that sisters can fall, just specifically on this line I think this is a poor parallel to draw because astartes don't systematically lean on faith as strongly and to the extent that the sisters do.

I wish you could change operative names

>>573696201
miriael actually brought a whole bunch of her sisters with her when she turned
>‘You think I am the only one to fall?’ The figure in white laughed and the harsh sound cascaded off the broken walls. ‘The only one who willingly burned her oath for greater power? You know better than that, Sister Miriya. After all, it is your Order that carries the stain of being the first to give up a daughter to the Eightfold Path!’
>‘Do not… speak the name!’ The wounded Battle Sister coughed up blood as she shouted out the words.
>‘Sister Superior Miriael Sabathiel!’ shouted the Iconoclast. ‘She of the Order of Our Martyred Lady! Given unto the embrace of the Lord of Dark Delights, and such a waste too…’ She shook her head sadly, mockingly. ‘As callow novices we were taught that no Sister ever falls, but Sabathiel is known. She is the cautionary tale. How do you square that circle, Miriya? None fall, yet one fell? How does it feel to know you are lied to?’ She reached for an answer and could not find one.
>‘Sabathiel was only the first. She built her own war band out of pious Sisters she enslaved herself from Order of the Argent Shroud, much to their shame… And then there were the others, quietly killed and cut out of history… Or replaced. Like me.’ Oleande strode back to her wounded double and glared at her. ‘All to protect the great lie of the Adepta Sororitas, to shield its brittle heart and soul from the shattering truth of Chaos!’ She drew back and spat in her own face. ‘You see before you the blood-soaked shame of the Valorous Heart. So humiliated they were by my defection to the true gods that they made this lie. Took a Sister and gave her my aspect, so that none would know. And they’ve been following your crusade ever since, Miriya. Waiting for this moment to come and end me. To seal the secret forever and burn out the indignity that is the heretic Oleande. The Iconoclast who dared to disown them.’

>>573697168
You can. Go see the barber-surgeon.

>>573697197
Is that from the invitation?

>>573697421
for real?
let me finish this mission first

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Huh. Turns out the nox alpha camo matches the Branx skins. Too bad you only have access to laspistol, dclaw and chainsword with that camo pattern.

>>573697624
skipped leg day

>>573696446
Unironically yes. My idiot friend who always gravitates toward bruteforce and retard strats for everything instinctively started maining it. It's the ultimate roleplay.

It has occurred to me that the Skitarii only actually comes "alive" at Auric and Havoc. The class's... hook (since I can't think of a better word) may as well not exist below that due to the horde density not being deep enough, and there not being enough mass. Arc Rifles can't become truly effective on Damnation, functionally any Autogun is better. Same goes for the Phosphor Pistol. Transonics rely on there being a lot of mass to shine, without that they can't produce enough DPS to keep up with a knife, or an axe, or even the chain sword. They are still effective, but you can see these weapons falling behind weapons they shouldn't be losing to in damage output.

It's kinda weird and makes me think that the Skitarii was not balanced around Heresy, but rather Auric or perhaps even Havoc given you can spend a single point to just ignore the most hated Havoc modifier, and there is effectively endless mass for you to deal with. A shitload of different ways to stun lock with electricity even without Arcs. On top of them providing you the ultimate clutch tool in the form of the Servo-skull.

Does anyone else think that the Skitarii was a clean sheet attempt by Fatshark to buck the stereotype that their classes are balanced for Heresy?

>>573697442
it's from heart and soul, from the SOB omnibus

>>573697453
Yes, his personality scourge service lets you modify your appearance, voice and name for 50k dockets.

>>573696718
True but compared to Space Marines Sisters might as well be incorruptible.
A convent of sisters falling to chaos is rare as hell, but space marines fall to chaos constantly.

>>573698139
There is not a single chaos heretic black templar in the entire history they have existed.

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It's time.

>>573698265
Anon there are black templars who have fallen to chaos

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Nice premium cosmetic fatshark.

gentlemen, we've made it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8q5qbtitVY

>>573698139
>>573698265
Space Marines is such a broad term that doesn't really say anything when there are billions of chapters with different ideologies.

>>573698265
That's because the Chaplains have even more authority than usual and in greater count than other chapters due to the BTs ignoring the 1k limit. They also don't really give their Marines the opportunity to be idle as a consequence of being constantly on crusade. Finally, the BTs most common foes are Xenos, not Chaos. They are by far most well known for fighting Orks practically nonstop.

>>573698712
BT's do in fact fall to chaos though. This is canon.

>>573696201
>Sisters falling to chaos almost always does not happen. Period.
It does happen, the ecclesiarchy just covers it up.
Iconoclast is another sister of battle who fell to chaos, but she worships Khorne.
Then there's the Fleet Quartus that consisted of guardsmen, admech, space marines and yes even sisters of battle, and they all fell into the worship of Khorne during the Arks of Omen.

Sisters have never ever been immune to chaos corruption. That has never been a thing and it's just retards making assumptions.
They are regular basic humans, nothing more.

>>573698848
Name them.

>>573698951
They're not important enough to have names but they literally exist

>>573698139
>A convent of sisters falling to chaos is rare as hell
It's really not, it's just entirely covered up.
Also sisters of battle were ignored by GW for the better part of almost 20 years. There being less chaos sisters has nothing to do with sisters being more resistant to chaos corruption, it's purely because GW ignored the entire faction for 20 years and didn't write anything for them or making models.

It's also an established fact in 40k that being too fanatical worshipper of the Emperor will lead to chaos corrupting a person.
The religion/faith protecting you has always been a sham.
It's one of the reasons why the Emperor hates religion and wanted it gone, because it just gives a very easy way for daemons to start influence humans. Daemons are capable of shapeshifting and changing their appearance.

That cool "angel" of the Emperor you saw in your dream? Not an angel, it's a daemon tempting you to the side of chaos in such subtle ways you yourself won't notice the corruption until far too late.

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I'm finally free

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>>573699365
uhuh

>>573698265
there are probably more chaos BTs then any other faction due to their extremely lax recruitment standards and khornate mindset

Blessed be thine aim has been quite the grind but at least it had a simple condition.

Why would you ever use the galvanic rifle? the arc rifle is just better

>>573699365
>The religion/faith protecting you has always been a sham.
Not true. Maybe it was once upon a time, but the cruel irony is that it’s infinitely more effective at defending against Chaos than Emp’s atheism plan to starve them out ever was. The Emperor and anything associated with him like imperial symbols are anathema to Chaos now because they made him into a religion and believed strongly enough in him.

>>573698951
most recently, arks of omen had a bunch of them (and sisters) getting turned to chaos
>Traitor horde still advancing on Shaaneweld...
>Current makeup est... Black Templars, Crimson Guard... Astra Militarum... House Taranis... Adeptus Mechanicus...
>Crude pack hierarchal structure observed, supersedes existing Imperial organizational doctrines.
>Repeating sigil/rune on banners, daubed on vehicle hulls, scarified into flesh: identification still pending, all data-offerings rejected and auto-chastised as a heresy risk.

>>573700302
>Why would you ever use the galvanic rifle?
That's just it, you wouldn't.

>>573700391
but it looks cool...

>>573700150
That seems unlikely. We’ve seen BT’s threaten to kill each other just because they have too much of a tinge of pride in their voices when they speak. Out of all the chapters they should be most keenly aware of what Marines are susceptible to when it comes to heresy and corruption.

>>573700302
Good players can make up for weapon balancing shortcomings by simply being better, but yes realistically if all you care about is going pure meta the galvanic rifle has no place in the game right now

>>573696718
>>573697197
>>573698907
Black Library slop is not canon sorry.

>>573701727
b-but my favorite 40k jewtuber said...

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Today I was not declined enough and my assignment went from 26 to 24 :)

Should I just put fov on max or is it not recommended? Yes I just installed. Google is not being of great help.

>>573702537
You should always max out your FoV if you want to have any sort of competitive advantage. Autistic fisheye view is technically optimal if you can handle it.
Realistically, use whatever highest setting you feel comfortable using. Try increasing a little bit every couple matches until you find something that sticks.

>>573702537
do you like more fov?
it doesn't matter that much, good headphones will do more

UP IN DA CLUB!

>>573697743
>you can spend a single point to just ignore the most hated Havoc modifier
Rotten armour has not been in rotation ever since they supposedly changed it to be fun, though.

>>573703094
I assume he means the shitter levels where retards just stand in the circles and don't know the extremely esoteric secret hidden tech of running a health curio with corruption resist and bringing a purity zealot

>>573702537
Past a certain point wide FOV becomes estrogenic and before you know it you will be downloading cheats mods with your discordsisters.

>>573699401
Please, may I touch you?

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Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8q5qbtitVY

In like two more sessions of darktide I will only be missing the private game restricted class penances.

>>573702537
I just have my FOV at default, it's just fine, at least for me. I haven't changed it ever.

>>573703718
Let's do some of them right now, post a code and I'll be there

>>573703508
post the unlocked patreon version if you're gonna shill

>>573703052
Fuck, it's that fucking zip Furio back in /coopg/ again...

>>573703829
How do I find this code? I have never attempted to create a party

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>>573704445

>>573704583
8088982021

>>573700320
Quite apart from it invariably being a thinly veiled excuse to masturbate, this is why I hate people wanting chaos sisters. The irony is delicious.

>>573700320
>Maybe it was once upon a time
No, it still is.
Chaos corrupting the "faithful" is such a fucking problem that the inquisition has an entire ordo, the Ordo Hereticus, acting as the 24/7/365 supervisors/tard wranglers for the entirety of the Ecclesiarchy and Imperial Cult. Specifically to root out any fringe beliefs or chaos influence.
The entire religion is a sham.

>>573702537
high fov means more peripheral vision and low fov means more accurate aiming
it's your choice, I haven't touched default fov
there are audio cues when something is hitting you in the back, I don't feel the lack of peripheral vision except for the cases when enemies only render in your back when you run past them or a silent crusher creeps up to you, but high fov wouldn't help against those anyway

>>573705753
The Ordo Hereticus doesn't necessarily target the most faithful, it targets everyone

>>573697743
Before aurics you can have fun throwing bodies around with Arc Baseball Bat, it has an incredibly satisfying horizontal heavy loop and sending grunts flying with hammerblow is kino

>>573706128
It targets the Ecclesiarchy the most because that' where all the worst damage is done.
Even with the fall of vraks cardinal Xaphan's fall is described as textbook by the inquisition. That term alone tells you this is a very common, reoccuring problem the Inquisition needs to be stamping out all the time.

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So, do I go get declined again? No way I can do this with randoms, right?

>>573701727
Black Library is canon, it's more canon than shit like Darktide or even SM2 is.

>>573706639
>darktide was written by a bl writer
What now?

>>573704849
??
>>573705753
The Ordo Hereticus goes after everyone from actual religious heretics to seditionists to criminal organizations. Chaos is a problem with or without people having faith. That doesn’t change the fact that the emperor being a warp entity at least gives people a tangible defense against it instead of having to rely on being entirely ignorant of it (something that was always going to be impossible).

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>it's a "retards keep going down and ragequit halfway through" mission
Why are these people in auric? I don't even mind carrying, but the least they could do is stick around so I don't have to finish the mission with 3 bots.

>>573706538
I was gonna say those are some of the easiest modifiers for hab dreyko but then I saw
>Inferno
lmao.
Still doable, at least.

>>573698139
Not really. Sisters definitely don’t fall as often but they fall all the same. The exact rate is highly obfuscated and up for debate though since they go to great lengths to hide every occurrence.

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>it's a Crusher/Mauler sneaks up on your with an overhead smash because the giant dude in heavy armour/dude with a chainsaw is the perfect silent assassin episode

>>573698139
>sisters might as well be incorruptible
Can't beat the cock.
Nope.
Just can't, no one can beat the cock.

>>573706950
I assume they might be doing the 10 mission without dying Penance (or the 5 in Maelstorm) so they just alt+F4 if they're about to die.
Yet another case of Swedes directly incentivizing people to play like absolute retards and troll their team. Fantastic game design.

>>573706889
>the emperor being a warp entity
He is not. We specifically know that the Emperor is still entirely chained to the Golden Throne and in real space.
And he also debirately rejected godhood entirely during the Horus Heresy. The Emperor specifically is no god, never was, never will be.

>>573707438
Wrong.

>>573698139
>Sisters might as well be incorruptible.
They are not, they never have been.
Sisterfags just spew this because they want to feel more special about their faction and dunk on marines. That's all it is.

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I'm waiting this autumn for Valheim and Enshrouded to reach 1.0 and finally have a full play with frens

>>573707589
Hell yeah brother I'm looking forward to hosting a Valheim server for my friends when it comes out.

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I think I've become a psyker main. Every time I'm playing another character I find myself yearning for the destruction that seemingly only the greatsword and mage builds can cause. Nothing comes close to the feeling of sending warp magic through 50+ enemies and all of them falling over in unison.

>>573703829
Let it be known this anon is legit.

>>573707580
Dunking on marines is a beautiful and wholesome thing.
Also even ithough there sisters who fall to chaos they fall FAR FAR less than marines do despite being a gajillion times more numerous than space marines.

>>573707837
on psyker I unconsciously start holding back because I feel like I'm being a buzzkill to the melee classes, it's been like this since my old days with sienna

>>573707927
That would be because marines are more susceptible to warp influence than normal humans due to the psychic nature of geneseed, it was the entire reason they and the primarchs couldn't be told what chaos actually was, or they'd have turned to it in far greater numbers. For the sissies, sheer faith and contempt protects them, but it's not a perfect shield, it's why they're heavily indoctrinated from a very young age into the imperial cult. They sooner martyr themselves than get captured, but as that one example proves, they can be made to crack, chaos can get anyone with enough effort.
>Not Big E
Except him.

I hate smiggers hate hate hate hateh ateh ateha teha te hate hate

>>573695784
It's true, fucking retard

>>573706714
dabnett mostly wrote the backstory. a lot of the stuff in game atm is written by matt ward

>>573707837
>>573708067
You know what, I'm gonna go play my psyker now

>>573708534
I've started bringing smite into every Rolling Steel and No Man's Land when I'm on psyker. Not smigger, just 1 point for cheap pathing, but god damn does that shit clutch when you have 3 useless retard noobs that can't even slide to carry a barrel and don't have enough damage output to kill a crusher.
It's insane how good smite is even if you just randomly throw it on a gaze build, just because smite + gaze is broken.

>>573708585
Incredible show of restraint that he didn't jam smurfs in somehow, but I guess the story's not finished yet, so there's still a chance

>>573708452
chaos could get big e, and arguably already did what with him doing a nefarious sneaky sacrifice to them to get a bunch of power

>>573708452
>That would be because marines are more susceptible to warp influence than normal humans due to the psychic nature of geneseed
by that logic sisters should be just as susceptable because they're hyper religious and religion feeds the warp. But marines are mostly atheists yet they fall constantly.

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>have the most fun playing with the braced autogun mowing down close to midrange anything i want
>watch a few darktide ranking youtube slop
>always F garbo shit nigger tier

Is it really that bad? Or is everyone just judging from Havoc 40 gameplay? I only play Auric really so I wouldn't know.

>>573707438
He has a presence in the Warp so powerful he can manifest things in real space and even empower those who believe in him strong enough. That’s what Living Saints and Emperor’s Champions are. He isn’t a ‘god’ but he is his own entity in the Warp with his own niche and domain, there’s really no other word for it.

>>573695869
can I use both

>>573698515
what a particularly boring video, other than the gun guy just naming guns that look like the things in the game i dont even know why hes there
and the other half of the video is just the darktide guy lore dumping

>>573708795
Anything works in Auric, it's just that they still have to compete with the same powerful weapons that are necessary in Havoc so nobody is going to go recommending them there either. If it works and you're having fun, then it's good enough for Auric brotha

>>573708738
We don’t know what that bargain or deal even entailed so not really.
It was probably possible in 30k when he was still walking around but not now.

thoughts on laspistol skittarii?

>>573708795
They're used to havoc so they subconsciously assume ammo starvation and mostly judge ranged weapons based on specialist/elite sniping capabilities and/or boss damage. When ammo is plentiful you can achieve psyker-levels of damage by just shooting all the poxies, as seen from the average looger performance.

>>573709160
Isn't the assertion that he made a bargain with the chaos gods also only a completely unverifiable claim by horus? Who was told that by the chaos gods anyway?

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Wow this is almost the least fun thing I could think of

>>573709545
YON BARREL

>>573708795
They're quite nice but they are incredibly ammo hungry, and need some nodes built around them, mostly crit focus. It can admittedly feel very strong in auric but it suffers in havoc where ammo is very scarce and limited.

>>573706979
inferno is a free modifier althoughbeit

>>573708795
you can savely ignore any and all tierlists, you can make any gear work in aurics and if you are good enough also in havoc, meta niggers deserve the rope

>>573708757
>religion feeds the warp
The warp and chaos aren't synonymous, focused faith on iconography or figures that specifically aren't the chaos gods actually deprives them of influence over such people, the imperial faith is that mechanism at work. Atheism feeds the chaos gods more than religion since the chaos gods feed on general aspects of the psyche, without faith in anything else, the psychic energy goes to them. Humans in the Tau empire made T'au'va for example through their faith and belief in it, faith in the Emperor empowers him, the Eldar focus theirs on Isha, Cegorach and Ynnead. The Nids don't feed chaos either because they're inextricably bound to the hive mind, which is essentially their own warp god.

>>573709545
Swap every enemy with barrels

>>573707927
>sisters who fall to chaos they fall FAR FAR less than marines do
They fall the same amount, the Ecclesiarchy just covers it all up. That's just the facts of it.
You're literally falling for in-universe propaganda.

>>573709705
>look inside
>armor spam

>>573709721
Did the tau god thing ever go anywhere? I've heard literally nothing about the thing beyond its creation. Hasn't it been like 10 real life years since that thing?

>>573709721
>The warp and chaos aren't synonymous
It is. Chaos encompases the entirety of the Warp.
Warp's other name is literally "THE Realm of Chaos".
All warp shit is just chaos shit.

What's even funnier is that when the sisters of Fleet Quartus got corrupted in Arks of Omen. They went on ahead to pillage imperial worlds, and there's a snippet of an imperial scholar screaming in terror and in denial about how the chaos corrupted sisters were using the exact same style miracle bullshit the loyalist ones would use.
This alone proves that the sister's "faith" shit is just daemon shit at its core. Which is hilarious.

>>573710040
Nah, it's been left dangling like the Ynnari, because 40k is about humanity. Still no meeting between Girlyman and Leon by the way. You may learn more in the 2030s

>>573708795
Yeah braced autoguns kind of suck. Even within the group of guns that shoot bullets and go dakka you could switch to infantry autogun and that would already be a big step up.

>>573706979
I played someone else's gloriana and it went about as you might expect we won because 2 ogryns can't die

>>573710224
>durr they call it the realm of chaos so that's what it is
Stop getting your lore from youtubers. Chaos is of the warp and its current predominant force, but it's categorically not the only thing in there.

Is there a de facto "best" option for FGS marks, or is it one of those that's just up to preference?

>>573708795
It fulfills no purpose because its role of suppressing is done by any gone, and its role of clearing hordes is the job of your melee weapon. Meanwhile it hogs your ranged slot but can't reliably or quickly delete trappers, snipers, bombers etc.
There's just no point using it, and most things it does, and a lot it doesn't, are done by the IAG.

>>573710040
It has the potential to be extremely funny given that it's a god formed of common belief, ie what the propaganda says the tau empire stands for.

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>>573710261
>hey so here's all this new gay and lame and retarded shit
>and that's all, we'll leave you to stew on that for 20 years
Thanks GW.
If they're not outright murdering their IPs they're actively making them worse.

Sob is literally just zealots in power armor, there's no real way to make a meaningful distinction between the two in game.

>>573710642
One has better horde clear with light attacks and the other slightly more damage on heavy attacks because it has a stab
I've seen noobs suffer from the "better" mark (the one with a stab) because they parrot influencer's builds but can't learn the moveset

>>573710689
>done by any gone
gun*
gonne*
kek why am I making these retarded typos, I'm not even on phone.

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>first mission after installing
>a bunch of people I assumed to be bots randomly dying to "hordes" of like 5 fodder zombies (later found out they weren't cuz they had actual steam profiles)
>raised people like 6 times
>everyone wearing default prisoner clothing including myself except for the skiitari
I was expecting to have some advanced vet flexing on beginner missions but I guess not. Also super weird how the mission sort of just ended we were distributed exp and currencies that I don't know what they do and that's it. No stats, scores or anything.

>>573710762
They only care about selling little plastic men, yes. There's nothing more powerful in these settings than GW themselves.

>>573710840
phonebrain

>>573710824
I really don’t get why people can’t understand that
There’s really no way to make them unique as Zealot is essential a discount version

>>573710642
Preference. One has a slightly more convenient hordeclear moveset and the other has a slightly more convenient single target moveset but both can easily do either.

>>573711018
>>573710824
you don't understand battle sisters

>>573709715
kthx, going into havoc with the heavy sword and shredder autopistol, wish me luck!

>>573710689
>gone
handgonne*

>>573701727
>tabletop/BL/codexes/vidya are not canon the only thing that's canon is the based groyper tiktok short I watched
in the grimdorkness of the gay ass present there is only larpery

>>573710642
Mk6 is slightly better if you don't suck at mixed combos, mostly because it has better access to the stab heavy. The other mark is a bit more straightforward for people who prefer not to put more thought into the combo system than "short clicks=horde long clicks=big enemies".

>>573710642
I just use the one that spams horizontal light attacks because it's my horde clear on staff psyker. The heavies are still very good single target, and the push attack's stab is downright retarded. It's just easier to use. If it were a dedicated melee build I'd consider learning the other one.

>>573709160
it was done on a planet literally called 'moloch', he sacrificed some of the primarchs willingly

>>573711018
Well they could come up with any number of unique faith-based miracles for their active abilities that don't have to overlap zealot at all. They also have meltaguns as part of their core identity and that niche isn't touched yet. The only other thing I can think of is the jump packs, but there is no way in hell Fatshark is putting an ability like that in this janky ass game full of death pits.

>>573711143
Oh I understand them pretty well, maybe you don't.

>>573710824
They can always make new zealot weapons and cuck zealot out of them. There's your distinction.
I believe they will make dual wielding SoB's gimmick, they have been doing fake dual wielding with every dlc class now but they never went as far as combining melee and ranged. Once they figure out you can aim while blocking with your sword (exactly like arbites shotpistol + riot shield combo works) they can start making chain weapons + bolter combinations of every kind.
And they will explain the ability to wield 2 weapons by power armor.
And maybe there will be 2-handed power weapons as well.

>>573710845
>default name
Shameful.

>>573710845
>Also super weird how the mission sort of just ended we were distributed exp and currencies that I don't know what they do and that's it. No stats, scores or anything
If you stick around here you will see the kind of freak autists that the scoreboard enables. FatShark was 100% right to not include it.

>>573711512
>And they will explain the ability to wield 2 weapons by power armor.
Man that shit better get shared to other classes if it's literally just putting two weapons they have access to already together.

>>573710448
sorry but you're a retard who hasn't read any chaos daemons codices
>The Realm of Chaos, also known as the Warp, the Immaterium or Warpspace, is a dimension parallel to our own, a universe devoid of matter and life, without laws of time and space. It is a random, unstructured dimension of pure energy and unfocused consciousness. It is Chaos, unfettered by the limits of physics and undirected by intelligent purpose. Warpspace is Chaos, Chaos is Warpspace; the two are indivisible
Chaos Daemons Codex 4th edition, page 6
also consistent with lore going back all the way to the 1990s, and identical passages appear in chaos daemons 8th edition codex and beyond
the actual youtuber lore is 'ackshually, the warp and chaos are seperate things!'

>>573711018
>a veteran is just a guy with a gun in flak armor
>an arbitrator is just a guy with a gun in carapace armor
>a hive scum is just a guy with a gun in rags

>>573711661
>he falls for unreliable narrator nonsense
The warp has a dozen different names if not more, and we know for a fact that there's shit in there that isn't chaos aligned.

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>>573711421
Yeah a miracle ability like they pull out a reliquary and pulsing light comes from it and pushes back enemies and gives your teammates gold toughness and it could clear corruption. And nobody else in the setting of warhammer uses melta guns, especially the guard they NEVER use melta guns so we should totally add sob instead of just giving the melta to vet.

>>573711830
>codices are unreliable narrators
this is the peak sign you are a secondary

>>573710040
Shadowsun might maybe sort of kind of start worshiping her.

>>573711962
Hey brother that's not what I'm saying, I'm just thinking about what you could possibly give them so that they'd have a unique identity. I have no dog in the race for what gets added next, though if they do add sisters I demand one of the personalities just be Argenta.

>>573711971
Yes, because codices often contradict each other and have at least one retcon every edition

>>573711587
Are you the freak autist that stalked another anon because he made fun of you for sucking ass?

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>BL means Black Library
Ooooh yeah ahah that makes more sense...

>>573711691
A soldier, a cop and a gangster, all pretty different.

>>573712098
You got something to share with the class?

>>573711587
I mean I get the turbo autism angle you're going for but it feels a bit anticlimatic not being able to see how well you did.

I guess it's a case of a few sour grapes ruining it for everyone else?

>>573711628
Can't do, recoil will snap your joints if you hold a bolt pistol in your left hand without a power armor :)

>>573711018
>>573710824
you lack imagination, off the top of my head:
powered weapons like halberd/neural whip
blessed weapons aka saltzpyre wp holy weapon effects
meltaguns
inferno pistol
could also play around having specific relics with an aoe like a weaker effect but higher uptime scum cartel special, or having something similar to kruber's gk benison system

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>>573710845
Yeah they didn't add a scoreboard in this one because... ??? I assume it was about reducing toxicity in the playerbase but I never saw for sure what the reason was. But nah, you won't really see the advanced players in those low difficulties unless they happen to be leveling a new class, since you're required to go through the difficulty unlocking for each character you make.

>>573712235
Yeah?

>>573711830
There is Chaos as the conceptual whole, and Chaos as the enemy faction. There are warp entities that are not Chaos as the enemy faction aligned, but it's all Chaos as a part of the immaterial concept.

>>573711453
they're ranged. zealot is melee

>>573712330
>weapons that could easily be used by vet and zel

>>573712235
meme lore

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>>573710926
What part of giving the emperor a retarded bitch wife that turned out to be the root cause of the horus heresy sells more plastic?

>>573712467
No anon, the one thing that defines Chaos as a whole is its corruptive influence, and we know there are warp entities that don't exert corruption over their followers, ergo they are not Chaos.

>>573712230
>I guess it's a case of a few sour grapes ruining it for everyone else?
No he's just the kind of retard that throws a tantrum over not being #1 top performer. Only sour grapes are upset over scoreboards. Most adults know not to take them seriously, especially ones that are poorly configured (like the default mod scoreboard). It's not like they show everything that you did that won the game, they're just a half-decent approximation of player performance and that's it.

>>573712659
>women are bad, one caused the heresy
>also here are female custodes to be more inclusive
GW is really uh, sending some mixed messages here

>>573712230
>I guess it's a case of a few sour grapes ruining it for everyone else?
Kind of. In Vermintide 2 literally every match had an elf running ahead shooting as many idle rats as possible to farm kills. When you see people mention "green circles" that's what they are talking about. I do agree that being able to track stats would be nice for people just starting out though.

>>573712659
yeah that was just a screw up but it also seems dead in the water at this point
>>573712235
You’re thinking about the space marine variants. The regular variants just require you to brace yourself.

>>573712568
don't be a retard, the point is that you said that there was no way to make a meaningful distinction which is simply untrue. Besides, just because you could conceivably physically put something in your character's hands doesn't mean they're allowed to or that your character wants to deploy with it.
All the things I listed are things that the current roster don't have and if given to a new character would differentiate them.

>>573708708
There's a banter conversation about rumors of there being a Codex Asstardes aboard the ship and the zealots want to go gawk at it, and another where the rejects were wishing for spess mehreens to come save the day and trying to guess who will show up, unsurprisingly the smurfs come up.

>>573713041
I'm thinking about the explanation fatshark will give you

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>>573712230
That's why you can get scoreboard mods, just don't be an ass about metrics in-game. I for one just like seeing my kills go up in real time.

>>573709398
It’s speculation afaik yes. The only ‘fact’ we seem to know is that he met up with them at some point but I’d have to go look for the source of that too. What for or why, we don’t know.
>>573711370
I don’t think that’s reason enough to conclude that.

>>573713281
you have a kill counter like dynasty warriors?

>>573713093
Aside from the wip which admittedly I don't know anything about, those other weapons are fairly common with other human factions. And If you're comparing the potential class abilities to the abilities of an existing class it's not meaningfully different.

>>573713520
yo that would be sick actually like a combo counter that resets when you get hit

nta but some cool stuff that other classes will use will be class exclusive because they want you to buy the class.

>>573713520
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/143

>>573710040
The tau are still continuing their cull of humans to keep it under control. That’s about it.
>>573710762
They need to milk out the profits and keep people speculating and guessing after all. ;)
in some ways I’m kind of fond of this decision but it’s definitely too glacial at points

>>573709398
If Horus were more media literate, none of this would've happened.

>>573711370
Sacrificed some of the primarchs? When he already had all his magic powers? When we know it wasn't up to him that they were spirited away? When we know the lost primarchs were found and purged for ambiguous reasons?

>>573713520
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/577
I use this one because it's fairly simple, in-game it just tracks total kills and damage, and you get the scoreboard at the end to see who killed what. It's not perfect, I'd like a big number superimposed in the middle of the screen for the authentic Kharn experience, but I'll take what I can get.

>>573712098
‘toroposters… when will they learn???

It's actually kind of surprising how GW let Darktide get away with not having any of the dumbass marvel heros.

>>573713960
What do you mean? I'm here, I'm the main character.

>>573713708
eh it looks kinda lame... I want a cool font and on the corner of my screen.

>>573713832
It's informative but.. too informative for me

>>573712720
you are mistaking the Dark Powers/Gods of Chaos for Chaos in its totality.
>there are warp entities that don't exert corruption over their followers
In universe there are polite separations for it. But it's still Chaos from an audience perspective of the greater metaphysics of the universe.

>>573713712
It seems to me that the tau empire is way too fucking small for just the humans in it to create their own chaos god.
If that was the case then the emperor should be so psychically superpowered from almost an entire galaxy worth of constant worship for ten thousand years that his force ghost can just rock up to each chaos god's warp palace and beat the shit out of them without contest.

>>573713449
>What for or why, we don’t know.
We know he bargained for the knowledge of how to make the primarchs, and that he left way more powerful than when he went in, so he definitely did some shady shit. Horus' internal dialogue during The End and the Death imply the deal was that the chaos gods would teach the Emperor how to make the primarchs, and in return the Emperor was meant to deliver them or humanity at large to the service of chaos. To "share the fire" to use Horus' words.

>>573714059
>on the corner of my screen
That's part of the mod options.

>>573714275
That is merely a claim.

>>573714275
>Do you think a daemon would do something like that? Tell lies just to manipulate someone?

>>573714219
It wasn't enough until Abbadon did a funny thing to Cadia and amped up the number of psykers in the galaxy.
>his force ghost can just rock up to each chaos god's warp palace and beat the shit out of them without contest
He does in fact do this to Nurgle, problem is it's difficult for him to focus his will at this point, going by Robutt's meeting with him, E Money is practically schizophrenic after all this time

>>573713214
ward must be kicking himself that he wasn’t there to draft the original plot and have them included somehow kek
>>573713239
oh….

>>573713787
Cut him some slack, all of our based and kino media was lost to him :(

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>>573712135
Soldiers and cops are just gangsters with fancier uniforms.

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>>573712135
>A soldier, a cop and a gangster
>all pretty different.

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>>573712135
>A soldier, a cop and a gangster, all pretty different.
not where I'm from

I kinda wanna buy the deluxe cosmetics bros but I don't wanna reward fatshart's greed.

>>573715596
>>573715743
>>573715861
Quit samefagging, this isn't subtle

>>573706889
>??
If you mean the maturation jibe, its' because "corrupted sister" is almost always shorthand for "I want a slaaneshi slutty nun". It's boring, it's old, it's overdone.
I've posted before that if I HAD to do Slaaneshi Sisters, I'd lean into the sensation of religion; the soaring notes of the choirs, the smell of the incense, the awe as she looks on cathedral architecture, how good it feels to grovel before the altar and beg forgiveness for your unworthy, sinful self, drawing attention to you, you, you.
But no. We get either Castle Anthrax or a dommy mommy strict headmistress flexing the cane as you enter her office. Dull. And, therefore, not particularly Slaaneshi, ironically.

>>573715596
>>573715743
>>573715861
Simply epic.

>>573712467
exactly. just like how all magic in warhammer fantasy comes from the realm of chaos, and tzeentch

>ogryn bomb
Resets hordes instantly
>ogryn rock
Snipes specials, turns off mutants from a distance
>ogryn box
???

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I really wish we'd get Sisters of Battle or maybe an Eldar.
But the latter is rather improbable since there's no reason for an alien to come to Atoma.

>>573716024
>>573716101
You can't just say that and then do the same thing...

>>573714219
She’s just a minor Warp entity though, nothing special in the long run, you’d be right if it was some absurdly powerful being but she’s nothing special at the end of the day
>chaos god's warp palace and beat the shit out of them without contest.
He kind of sort of did do something similar to that funnily enough

>>573713829
he is distinctly depicted as becoming stronger and less human after visiting to moloch

>>573716273
Aliens are fucking gay and you are fucking gay for wanting to play as one, you stupid ass frog

>>573715596
>>573715743
>>573715861
>>573716024
>>573716101
>>573716296
All me.
>you can't just call out your own samefagging
I can.

>>573716075
>It's boring, it's old, it's overdone.
It's hip, it's now, it's wow.

>>573714653
>E Money is practically schizophrenic after all this time
Or more accurately that specific ‘shard’ of him is, since his mind and being seem to be manifesting as separate beings that embody different qualities of himself (or something), the one on the Golden throne is naturally a mess

>>573716445
NOOOOOOOO

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>>573716313
She basically exists to give the Tau a win condition in the setting. If they manage to take over the galaxy, then T'au'va will be strong enough to destroy chaos and the tyranid hive mind.

>>573716270
>>ogryn box
Resets a horde but multiple times because it's a decently long stun. Also has great synergy with the right side talent that sets shit on fire when you explode it, assuming you also have a gun that explodes and creates burn stacks.

>>573716273
You can fabricate any number of justifications that an eldar of all things would want to come to atoma for.
There could be a webway portal on atoma, there could be some relic from the days of the old eldar empire on atoma, there could be some sort of bullshit premonition one of their seers had that says they need to carry out some convoluted scheme on atoma like everything else they do.

>>573716270
The box staggers everything, including bosses, to allow for a cheeky revive in the middle of melee hell (gunner hell is still death).

>>573696889
reminder that if you can't drag trencholoids' corpses over the finish line you aren't good at this game

>>573716518
The chairbound prankster is probably the biggest shard to boot

>>573716774
>>573696889
What is a trencholoid??

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>>573716443
the galaxy is rightful eldar clay you mud-wallowing mon'keigh

>>573716273
The eldar are already in orbit according to darktide lore autists on youtube.

In Darktide which class should you start with?

>>573714219
>If that was the case then the emperor should be so psychically superpowered from almost an entire galaxy worth of constant worship for ten thousand years that his force ghost can just rock up to each chaos god's warp palace and beat the shit out of them without contest.
That's why they had to nerf him by having him attached to the golden throne for 10 000 years. Because he absolutely could.

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>>573716680
>If they manage to take over the galaxy
That's like saying "if lichtenstein manage to take over europe", the tau empire is microscopic.
It's bullshit they even manage to stay alive as it is.

>>573716771
>including bosses
I didn't know this.

>>573716914
Havoc ranks 26-29. That's the "shitter trench" because anyone who just wanted the unlockable sets of armors quit at rank 25 and anyone who's actually good at the game will make it to rank 30+, where the game mode gets significantly more difficult.

>>573716952
Zealot is the best to learn the game right.

>just had a game where me and a hive scum carried 2 guys who couldn't survive 5 seconds in melee (in heresy)
>me and the hive scum had about the same skill level I'd say but he had havoc forged and I never went above auric
Are havocs thaaaat hard?

>>573712330
sisters are a bad idea not because the class is stupid but because zealot is on its last legs already

>>573717101
It's microscopic now, but keep in mind that the Tau have an inexplicable ability to advance their technology super fucking fast, so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility if they start getting DaoT tier technology. We know nothing will ever happen anyway, GW likes status quo.

>>573716952
Zealot or psyker.
Vet will make you eat shit too often and Ogryn will teach you bad habits. It really doesn't matter that much though.

>>573717101
>liechtenstein
ULM TIME

>>573717475
sistahs would make millions of dollars for farto

>>573717656
but they already captured the transexual audience with skitarii

>>573717330
>>573717517
I would have thought Veteran would be your basic soldier type of class to learn the game and easier than Zealot since with that you focus on melee more? At least it seems to me that way

>>573717476
>GW likes status quo
People always say this like primarch wank and primaris shit didn't happen. It would be objectively better if GW didn't progress the nulore.

>>573716952
Veto the DLC classes except maybe skitarii. Skitarius should be fine for a newer player to start the game with, but it might be a bit complex, and you might run into unexpected changes when the swedes return from vacation and unfuck the problems it currently has.
Veto ogryn, teaches bad habits.
Zealot is forgiving but forces you to learn the melee.

>>573717881
It did happen and it hasn't changed anything in like ten fucking years

>>573717745
the transgender appetite is a endless. an appetide, if you will.

>>573717752
>Zealot since with that you focus on melee more?
That's the point. Melee is strictly mandatory. You must learn it in order to survive, let alone be effective. There are precious few builds that can afford to basically never pull out their melee, and even those need to know how to move in melee.

>>573717752
>I would have thought Veteran would be your basic soldier type of class
He is, that's the problem. Darktide is a melee game with shooter elements, when people learn the game on a ranged class they are unprepared for higher difficulties where shooting everything isn't an option.

>>573717101
so? the imperium only covers less than a percent of a percent of the planets in the galaxy and yet...

>>573716952
From my own personal experience, zealot is the smoothest because it makes you do melee as your main thing, and the game is a horde melee game with shooter elements, if you can't melee you die every 5 seconds on heresy
But I'd say overall it'd be veteran, when I came back to the game after a 2 year break I relearned it on veteran because it helps with one key skill, killing specials, so you learn to do both
Kill specials, manage horde, kill specials, manage horde
Zealot has a lot of get out of jail tools as well so you can end up a zealot in damnation getting raped to death every 2 minutes and crutching on your talents, I'd do veteran personally

>>573717881
truthnuke

>>573718218
>>573716952
Oh yeah on another note, definetly not psyker. Psyker plays a different game with juggling your warp meter for high warp bonuses but also not blowing yourself up, it also has dick all for toughness regen and toughness damage resistance depending on your difficulty and weaponry, essentially it's weird

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>>573718218
Zealot is the easiest to learn but Veteran is the best for learning how to play well. Because as Veteran you're pretty squishy unless you also know how to use your combat ability well, while mastering both melee&ranged combat as both are elementary as Vet.

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>chudfully kills specials for me as I melee the horde
>chudfully kills specials for me as I lay on the floor dying
>chudfully revives teammates from afar
>chudfully automates the hacking minigames while my team runs around like headless chickens
How am I to play without HIM...

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>>573718898
These days I don't.
Unless I'm on zealot goop sweeping duty.

>>573718898
I am autistic about melkbux and have all my slots filled with duplicates of classes to farm them (I had 150k this time, ran out, not a single 21% health btw) and I am contemplating deleting the dupes and filling them with skitarii just for the skull.

>>573718709
>unless you also know how to use your combat ability well
>spam shout every time it's off cooldown
wow that was hard

>>573718898
When you think about it the servo skull is a key part of the skittaris identity, the skull is basically the skittis metaphorical penis. What kind of person would remove their penis?

>>573719204
That is technically knowing how to use it well.

>>573719284
>What kind of person would remove their penis?
the skitarii

>>573719481
Hmmm

>>573719284
I mean I like my penis but it's not that big... Sorry, penis. If it meant having a skull buddy, it wouldn't be that bad of a trade.

>>573719481
Kek

>>573710845
>>573712948
>No stats, scores or anything.
Fatshark caved to some carebears who bitched about toxicity regarding scoreboards and performance shaming. You're right that it is retarded, but the silver lining is that it has cut down a bit on "circle chasing" retards. Scoreboards are useful for gauging your performance, but the data only goes so far. You can play in ways that pads your scoreboard values a shit ton but are actually detrimental to the team overall. A simple example is spamming grenades at all of the harmless poxwalker waves to pad the everloving fuck out of your damage stat, but you're a detriment to the team because you've been soaking up all of the grenade supplies and now nobody has any fucking grenades to deal with the hazardous mixed horde/patrol that slammed you in a sour part of the map. That behavior still happens to an extent but it's not as widespread as it was in ratclick.

you can install third party mods to add in scoreboards. It was particularly humorous how a ton of players thought that the skitarii servo skull was useless in combat and not worth talent investment, and then people started posting scoreboards where the fucking skull by itself did more damage than some low skill players.

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>>573718350
>it also has dick all for toughness regen
Restore 15% toughness over 3 seconds for inhaling. Exhaling restores 2.5% toughness instantly.
Restore 10% toughness over 4 seconds for blinking.
Replenish 4% toughness for each beat of your heart.
Replenish 7.5% toughness on swallowing your saliva.

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>>573719873
>breathing
>blinking
>heartbeat
>swallowing
Anon I don't know how to tell you this but um...

>>573719706
Counterintuitively there's a ton of penances in the game that encourage you to play like a retard to the detriment of your team. And all the penances and even talents that only trigger when YOU get the kill and not your teammates even if they're in coherency.

>>573719873
>restore toughness on killing things with warp moves (oh look, melee is not a warp move, just learn how to deal with hordes by... using a staff)
>replenish toughness on generating peril... oh melee doesn't do that ummm well....
>Ok I legitimately forgot about this one, I play staff psyker, that one's alright
>just play specifically a crit built
Re-read my whole post and compare these to what I said

So how am I supposed to know which weapons and talents are even good in Darktide really

>>573719995
I chuckled.

>>573720232
>>just play specifically a crit built
That's called "a good psyker build" dumbass, they all build crit.

>>573720404
The internet unironically
For weapons you can try them in the psykanium and see if they're shit at killing and have retarded movesets or not

>>573720459
>Re-read my whole post and compare these to what I said

>>573720404
By trying it out and seeing what works and what doesn't.

Martyrdom or Judgement?

>>573721168
Blazing piety.

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>>573721168
martyrdom for low finesse weapons
blazing piety for high finesse weapons
inexorable judgment for memes

>>573720404
Testing, testing, and more testing. First in the psykhanium, then in real missions.
I highly recommend the creature spawner, healthbars (mostly for the psykhanium), and solo play mods to improve your testing.

>>573700073
when is Games Workshop going to be more inclusive by adding male Sororitas the way they did with adding female Custodes and Astartes

>>573720404
A vet main will complain about it.

>>573720404
Foe a while one of the blessings description was literally
>+4% on weakspot hit. Lasts for 3s.
Fartshit is intentionally vague and you are supposed to comb through forums and YouTube videos to figure out what does what.

>>573721243
>>573721430
oh crap was inexorable judgement a shitty meme this entire time

>>573721657
It's less powerful than martyrdom and it doesn't give a teamwide buff like blazing piety.

>>573697743
>It's kinda weird and makes me think that the Skitarii was not balanced around Heresy, but rather Auric or perhaps even Havoc
No fucking shit. It's what all of the playtesters have said since havoc was a thing.
Everything is balanced around havoc now. Yes, even ogryn.
Ogryn just sucks entirely because it is designed to have bad damage output due to being tanky as fuck, having 3 wounds and 300 health while also being able to apply 80% skullcrusher, 40% brittleness onto everything. While also being able to apply 10% damage and 15% damage just by hitting things and staggering them. He also has taunt which lets him apply another 20% damage onto everything.

>>573721657
Inexorable judgement is fine if you don't like the low health martyrdom playstyle.

>>573722053
While true, they are both the "we have scum at home" keystones.

>>573717881
>People always say this like primarch wank and primaris shit didn't happen.
It happened, and nothing came of it.
The Imperium is still a dystopian, dying shithole where you get servitorized at the drop of a hat.