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new video soon?I hate the vtuber arc
>>574200067my wife says he's a more autistic version of moistcritikal
>>574200120I don't know most of those words but honestly I think I hate your wife
>do 3 hours of nullius, really get into the groove>finish the things I set out to do and get a drink>tab back into /egg/>
>>574201252gacha
We must build our own casino, lure in all the gacha players, then drop it into a geoactive pit.
>>574200067I really hope he cuts those streams into one or two regular videos. I'd like to watch him play Nullius, but I really don't want to watch 30 hours of him mostly doing nothing than running in circles and planning setups while talking about random stuff.Factorio simply isn't a very livestream-friendly game.
>>574201252>>574201674I unironically use [REDACTED] when looking for the new thread because egg shows like 8 threads and [REDACTED] just 2 which is egg and [REDACTED]
>>574205969I just use "hsg", it works the same lol.
>>574165994>>574122914should I just enable 2.1 at this point?
i feel like gleba production numbers need tweakingthr fuck you mean not even green bemts are enough for the production/consumption of 10 bioflux biochambers?
I'm stuck rearranging my factory until its perfectly symmetric HELP!
There has to be a better way to do this!? I just watnt one material on each side
>>574218015Well, what purpose do the splitters where you stand serve?
>>574218015Why do you have that second set of useless splitters?Otherwise yeah that's generally the easy way of combining two full belts of items into one belt.
>>574218085>>574218114You're right, I was being retarded
i have a system in place to incinerate all eggs incase nutrition = 0so paranoid kek
I felt like playing Factorio but I don't want to look at my py save that I haven't touched in 9 monthsI'm going to try space exploration instead, anything I should know?
>py looks at you accusingly
>>574221000It's fine, the sprite cropping mod cuts off the eyesIf I can't see them, they can't see mee
>>574220776Tone down the water generation percentage, it's a little bugged right now and your world will be too much ocean if you don't. I also use rail world settings on the ore patches (so bigger but less frequent) and turn off expansion, but that's a personal preference.Otherwise it's pretty similar to vanilla before you get to space, just with a more complex mall (I made a warehouse-based mall, but it was a lot of work and you can probably spaghetti to space).Don't overbuild too much before space, you get a lot of goodies from space (ass3s, better furnaces, beacons eventually). Once you get to space there's more tips -- like build lower SPM -- but that's in the future.
>>574222796>I made a warehouse-based mall, but it was a lot of workFugg why didn't I think of that. I have am bigger enough brain for it but I'm already this far
>>574218015>>574218402You don't need that extra belt piece before the belts merge either btw.
>>574223729It was pretty fun to design honestly, especially making it this footprint and tileable, but it has some cracks (throughput is a big cap once things get expensive, and inserters only having 5 total filters meant that you need to make sure things never run out or you can lock up everything)
>>574222796>Tone down the water generation percentage, it's a little bugged right now and your world will be too much ocean if you don'tnot that anon but isn't that how it's meant to bei remember playing SEx in 1.1 and it was relatively water-y>>574218015behold; Chaotic Evil
>>574224846it's meant to be watery but not quite as much as it is now
/egg/ simply cannot liveit is time to merge with the gacha game that has factories
>>574235840lol
life would be so much easier if asteroids didn't have a chance of making another asteroid
>>574238403Ok, but now all processing generates large amounts of stone.
>>574241878but why
>>574242085you can now make infinite rails and landfill in space
>>574238403It'll be nice if the add a recipe to get stone from all/some asteroids. But I have almost no hopes for gameplay changes on 2.1
genuinely why did they make gleba research packs spoilsabsolutely annoying mechanic for no fucking reason makes it so hard to account for how many i need
>>574248090You need infinite scienceof all colors
>>574248090you didn't understand gleba
>>574248090>makes it so hard to account for how many i needhow much science you need: yeshope that helps!
i hate how soulless oil processing always looks
>>574250234guhi do not like the new refinery
>>574250234It's either this or suffer in angel's petrochem, if not worse things
>>574235840>/egg/ simply cannot livedoes too, dumbass
>>574235840Without regular Factorio updates, there is no engineering game genre. Like Stardew to the farming game genre, ultimately nothing else matters.
Hello dear wieweravadii is the comfyest factorio yter
>>574256468you should probably kill yourself
>>574256468something seems off about him to me
>>574256876aside from being german, i didnt notice anything sus
>>574224579I set mine so the inserter filters just fart out 5 different randomized signals so they don't lock up. Yours is probably better engineered but this one works enough so whatever
>>574257269I think it's tradeoffs either way, and if it works it works.Randomizing the list is smart though, I would try to fit that in if I hadn't gotten requester chests yet.
>>574256468Moaiman is the only one I follow, but I liked the tips I got from the German in some videos I searched.
>>574257269I had a print for mine that just werks that has the same footprint as yours while beingh as throrough as the first but I completely fucking forgot what it does, I only know it works
if your loop is good on gleba you never get enough spoilage to make carbon or sulfur suffering from successbut anyways! with that done i'm finally fucking done with glebatook 3 irl daystime for fulgora phew
>>574257935alsolook at the mines
>>574257935>you never get enough spoilage to make carbon or sulfur>suffering from successSpace Age is realizing that resources are free and you can throw resources away to get what you need. Also I think you can get a lot of spoilage from recycling nutrients made from bioflux.
>>574256056a single game does not a genre make
>>574256056ok but games that have never had an update somehow keep their generals alive like ddlc or that incest game or omori
>>574261820Waifuposting should not count as discussion.
>no no, you MUST maintain a supply line of bioflux from gleba to nauvis within 2 hours to maintain your spawnerhumiliation ritualmidding this gay shit out next time
>>574265157why not just send it along with your science? It uses a pittance.
>>5742653671 per minuteim irritated there is no way to keep it captured easilythankfully i only need it for biolabs i guess
>>574267110Please find the nearest active train route and lay on the track.
>>574267110no fucking clue what you posted but py just got a mod that has auogs drag trainsif that garbage is ai I am shooting you dead
I started Workers and Resources. This is a lot of fucking tutorials man.
>>574267419its worth it
>>574267248its not my screenshot, tryhard
>>574269245It's mostly just building a bunch of ad-hoc shit to pass the objective and move on. Many of its lessons are learned better and 30x faster on the wiki.
>>574250493>i do not like the new refineryOne of these has an underground pipe feeding the left input, the other does not
so what are biochambers for outside gleba? vulcanus gave me godly drills and foundrieswhat did gleba give? mostly military stuff? and stack inserters i guess
>>574270339I see it.
>>574269559The UI is a hurdle that a scripted tutorial helps with. I think I would prefer tutorial tooltips in normal gameplay to give descriptions of how things work and link to help pages that outline the process of a mechanic.
>>574270428>what did gleba give?BiolabsIf you don't rush Gleba to literally 2x your SPM, you're just gimping yourself for no reason
>>574270428Biolabs, spidetrons, productivity 3 modules and stack inserters are the only worthwhile Gleba rewards imo
>>574270759>>574270887i guessbut i was hopinh for something like vulcanus i use everywhere
>>574270887rocket turrets and asteroid processing, although that's more like Aquilo dependency than a rewardbut they do help with Gleba defenserocket fuel and plastic prod bonuses help more with mods where those are more difficult to make, too easy in vanilla
>>574272021That's a fair opinion, I'm not going to besmirch you for hoping Gleba would allow you to rework your bases on the same level as EM Plants or Foundries
Are planets/suns random per-run in space exploration, or just the surfaces of those planets like in space age?If I just keep sending up satellites, will the game keep making me new planets?
>>574273036yes to the last question
>>574272223>although that's more like Aquilo dependency than a rewardThat's my problem with most Gleba tech, it's either a research gate for the endgame or something with an ultra niche usecase.>but they do help with Gleba defenseBut you could get tesla turrets which do the job wonderfully after a few research tiers, except in case you went Gleba first.
>>574250234It's the lack of moving belts and swinging inserters, since it's all just fluid recipes.
>>574270428belt stacking, prod 3s, epic quality are all huge.Biolabs also, but that's more one place than everywhere.>>574273036>If I just keep sending up satellites, will the game keep making me new planets?There's an amount after which you will discover no more from satellites, and you'll need to do astro researches.
>>574273387There might have been a better case for rocket turrets before the spores and evolution nerf. Teslas eat way too much power when idle, which forces you to grow more fruit. Doesn't really matter now.
>>574273575Power is a non-issue with nuclear and Gleba has water everywhere.Which is a shame, because i was excited for missiles before the release.
>>574273828why nuclearrocket fuel into burner towers gives 40 mws out of 15 mws
>>574273897Because that makes you produce more spores. Which used to matter, back when SA released.
>>574273897You can easily get fuel after Kovarex and you're sending platforms everywhere anyway.No fear of deadlocks because something in Gleba broke (yeah, it may be a skill issue but you can be at ease).You can reuse your Nauvis nuclear blueprint.
>>574274175dunno it seems overkill and wasteful
>>574274798What exactly are you wasting, the endless uranium?
>>574274798It's fine to be wasteful in Space Age.
>>574250234You need to go retarded with it. Pipe up, get downs, throw up, drop browns.
>>574274798in SA you have basically zero resource constraints, aside from like promethium.Embracing that mindset will make things much easier.
Uhmm..It works? I assume I just scale it with more space for assemblers
>>574277697yes, space science is honestly way too trivial.
>>574277697How do the Iron asteroids from the right-hand side grabbers get to your crusher in the bottom left?Otherwise, that's a solid white science starter design
>>574277697Tiny optimizationReverse the order of the asteroid output and inputs for each of your crushersSo when you get an extra asteroid, it goes onto the belt and then is immediately picked back up for processing again
are there any actual fun games that aren't just watching shit move around on conveyor belts?
>>574280570The gameplay is designing the system. Have you considered reducing conveyors to absolute minimum and watching shit move around on trains or drones?
All of my trains and their interrupts stopped working out of nowhere. All of them. Any tips? Ideas? I legit cant find any info on this
>>574285126a single destroyed train track in the middle of your network causing all pathing to failset up a tiny rail with 2 stations and 1 bi-directional train. See if you can get it to path to one of the two stations, and then back to the other. Once you know that these basic mechanics still function, you'll have a basis by which to test or fix your normal network.
>>574200067>Vtuber arcTell me this is a joke.
I played Satisfactory up to phase 5 and was soon to start oil. Up to there I had focused on making a single compact factory producing almost everything up to heavy modular frames in a vertical stack against a cliff. There is satisfaction in getting things really tightly packed but also a good amount of awkwardness and even frustration. I stopped a month or two ago and haven't resumed yet. I'm thinking about restarting with a basically opposite design paradigm: spacious slabs of factory with one item each (other than precursors like screws) and roads between them for trucks to transfer (unless it's going just across the street) or deliver to a train hub to ship further away. I don't know whether to turn on random resource nodes and probably build the whole thing in the dunes or use the curated locations and maybe have problems fitting the logistics in but more reason to use trains. I think I would set all to normal, no impure or pure.
>>574275214>Elevated pipesWhat the fugg>>574278091They really, REALLY shouldn't have removed needing U235 for space science>>574290581Yeah. I don't have a picture of it but he's got this anime girl avatar with shades and a Hawaiian shit but she's also petrified so there's no articulation or facial movement she just sort of bobs up and down when he talks
>>574291935I did not expect Dosh of all people to come out as a nonce. Really disappointed in him.
>>574292507
Figured it out. Not having enough trains available to fill all of the stations makes the whole network go on strike for some reason.
Circuit networks seems kind of scary... The whole game feels quite overwhelming, I feel like I'll never get to launching a rocket
>>574272021you'll have to wait for the overhaul modpacks for less minecraftesque new mechanics integration I'm afraidinitially they didn't even want to let you place biochambers/foundries/EMPs outside of their designated planets
>>574296569enjoy it while it lasts, because that's the "magic" feeling of the gamefpr your own sake, do not look up any guides or blueprints
New optimization patch for CoI is out on the experimental version. Top is vanilla and bottom is with the new patch. I have a 3060ti
i've been sleeping on defender capsules since 0.17
>>574299671Thats what I'm trying my best to do, sadly I already saw the main bus article on steam's factorio community guides
>>574303546if you have a bit of common sense your factory probably would've evolved a version of the main bus naturally anyway, i know mine did before i even knew the term
>>574303815The thing that bothers me is that sometimes when my design feels bad or constrained I feel like I need to tear the entire thing down instead of retrofitting/making more spaghetti
>>574306918the actual solution is leaving it functional as is and starting over in a new place
>>574267419You're not... filtered by the tutorial, are you?
>>574273575>Teslas eat way too much power when idleyou could set them up with a power switch activated by a normal turret (or mines in 2.1)>>574275214I love how this looks
>>574302545I wish there was a turret that could throw capsules automatically. All three bot types, poison and slowdown would make sense. As it stands they're a cool idea but overshadowed by personal lasers.
>>574302545This has to be bad for your back, get a proper bed already.
>>574301067bottom one looks worse. I have the same GPU, how does the game run overall?
It seems that I can't avoid having 2+1 input lanes and 1 output lane... 4 lanes in 1 assembly line seems rather inefficient
>>574311750You don't like uniform perlin noise for a cloud layer?Neither do I
>>574311750They both look the same in game. It's just the day/night and weather cycle weren't lined up perfectly in both pics. I turned fog off in photo mode which makes it look crispy. When you're zoomed in the game runs fine up until the very late game where you have a shit ton of buildings and resources everywhere. At that point when you zoom all the way out you might go from 60 down to 30~40 ish like in that pic. That's also literally the largest map which I'm sure doesn't help fps.
>>574311864I feel stupid
>>574311941exactly>>574312130thanks, that's an acceptable frame drop for my standards, I think I'm the only one in my friend group that still uses a 60Hz screen
>>574312464You are ignorantit's different
>>574312464That looks quite dumb. You should restart.
>>574311864Look up sushi belts
>>574267390I the point is that's a reddit ad for py
>>574314358Just looking at them makes me want to kill myself. So untidy.
>>574314625okay?
>>574312464soul
>>574200067lmao nice joke anononce they start streaming content just goes down and down, this shit pays way too much for way too little work
>>574302545there is no sleeping mechanic
>>574311479Mortar turret that you can load with throwables like capsules and grenades? Would be pretty based.
>>574312464>1:2:2 recipe ratio>2:1:1 output:inputs belt ratioL ratio
>>574316278>>574311479destroyer and defender drones would be perfect for a tower that holds a bunch of them inside it and then releases them when it detects enemies, you could make it so they'd have to be assembled directly by the tower with a relatively long crafting time so it would be strong in short bursts but weak in sustained fights
>>574314358Multiple item types on each side of a belt? Sounds like an easy way to deadlock.
>>574316278Closest thing I've seen is Bob's distractor artillery shell. Which is kinda pointless since regular artillery shells already kill everything.
>>574318650you need to loop it and to use circuits to make it work properly
>>574316364YEE HAW! White Science and Blue Science in the bag.
I play so slowly that I always run out of techs to research before I automate the next science pack
>>574320316Stop turning biters off
>>5743207532.1 fixes this
I've spent most of this week automating everything with logistics bots. Currently have 2,000 of the little fuckers doing my jobs for me, zero belts. Launched 10 rockets + satellites into space yesterday. Now I need a new challenge.>>574320753kek
>>574320839i'm not preventing it from spawning enemies
>>574320609on default settings if you destroy all the nests near your pollution cloud you can easily research all red/green/blue technologies without ever being attacked by biters
>>574319540>
okay i get glebabut still i would change captive biter spawners to take nutrients rather than bioflux this way you have a reason to make nutrients on nauvis
>>574321814Why is the black science talking to the gray science?
>>574320921>Launched 10 rockets + satellitesWhy are you bragging about finishing the early game?
man this is hard
>>574329969hover your cursor over the bottom onepress V
>>574329969don't skip the tutorial, enginseer
löl
>>574330678That's so fucking soulless Oh my god 2.0 sucks
>>574332979calm down the issue would have been resolved with an underground pipe anyway, it was hardly an interesting problem
>>574257935>>574258757When I need spoilage on Gleba, I make a ton of jelly and let it rot. I think that's the best method because of spoil time.
>>574334323yeah, nutrients for volume or jelly for spoil time
whats the point of nutrients on nauvis?
>>574328204Didn't mean to brag. I just don't know what to do next other than chase production goals and grow the factory. Maybe I should just buy Space Age.
>>574332979whats soulless about it man? anything to make oil less of an eyesore makes me happy
>>574335089fish breeding automation, if you wanted to mass-produce spidertrons
>>574335089Fish.
>>574320753Dream bigger
>>574342410kekbut why
Not sure if any anons give a shit, but progress update on the solar/laser run:The legendary solar/acc have been finished and the temporary platform that just builds more space platforms has been setup. At the moment it's making about 333ppm and if I don't change anything I'll have enough space platforms in 24 hours~. (I'm going to change things to speed it up)
>>574343107Why not?The only pain point with that was taking the nests. Oh and that one time I messed with some settings which stopped the flow of bioflux without me noticing. I had an alarm to tell me if this happens, but the problem is it was on the default 10-15 minute delay
my greatest ally
>>574331928mod?
Just got into robotech, how many ports/robots should I craft to saturate my base? This shi lowkey hitting like crack
>>574344918You should make it so you have a contiguous network. Just make sure the orange overlay is touching or overlapping and you see the dotted yellow lines.If you notice that a large amount of bots are frequently hanging around certain roboports in a ring that means that part of the network is too busy to charge all the bots using it fast enough and you should put down more ports
>>574344528https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Insectitron
>>574344918just make sure all the orange parts of your roboports are connected and that the green covers your entire base
>>574344918As far as how many bots, that also varies by how much you're using them and how fast they areI usually start out with 200 or so construction bots, and have a small factory making more and putting them into a box. If I put down a new blueprint and I feel like it's taking longer than I want, then I toss another 50-100 into the roboport from that box
>>574344918>portsI would just constantly be making them, maybe limit it to having like 20-30 at any given time.>botsIf you really want, you can setup some circuit logic to handle this decision making for you, as>available bots>total botsare both variables you can use that to tell it to make you more
>>574291401>roads between them for trucks to transferI've been playing like that, basically making buildings / processing areas for various things and connecting them with roads.I've been quite enjoying this playthrough and the trucks have actually worked perfectly, though they're kind of slow and the auto-connect for vehicle paths doesn't really work reliably. I have considered switching to trains but haven't done so for now, partially because all my shit is already connected by roads and partially because train stations are huge and I haven't yet decided on a design that would minimize space requirements while remaining practical.
HELPwhere do i even start
>>574348365>are both variables you can use that to tell it to make you moreTo be more clear, what you want to do is to attach a red or green wire to a roboport and then to an entity, like an inserter that grabs bots from a boxClick on the Roboport and on the right, click on the "Read robot statistics"That will then start outputting the values to the inserter, which you can then use logic to decide whether or not to activate the inserter
>>574353327Looks like you did start
>>574321814I laughed
>>574353327personally, I always do fulgora primarily with bots. It's the kind of solution where bots excel, and I think it's pretty clearly intended since bot speed is a fulgora science product.Whether or not you use bots though, the important concept to get is that scrap is cheap, so having a void as the last destination for everything (either at the end of the belt, or a circuit controlled requester chest) is ideal. If your scrap processing is stalled on something else, that means that you're actually producing nothing instead of effectively making everything but what you're voiding.
>>574353327Recycle products for their resources (gears for iron, blue circuits for red and greens). Recycle anything you don't need away. The trash must flow.
the biters that spawn from eggs despwn ;(i wanted them as pets
>>574353327Unclog uranus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhXThLoMwqANew Scrap Mechanic trailer.
>acid neutralization only works on vulcanusfucking whylet me be retarrded and make infinite power out of coalpower is trivial anyways let me have fun
after fulgora im redesigning my entire nauvis spaghetti base with foundries amd em plants plus biolabskind of excited and dreading it
>>574359271the machines are so powerful that your base will shrink but you will make like 10x more.
bots are soulless
>>574360734kek
>>574360734hmm maybe it works for that new event mode where you pick one mob at a time to attack for buffs
I'm trying to make the platonic ideal 12-segment wheel for maximum perceived difference between adjacent huesany of these look too close together/far apart to you?it's on topic because I'll use it to mod science packs or 13 tiers of assemblers or something
>Drone cloaking techNow put razor blades on it
>>574363438But how will the drone operators ram them into people if there's no camera on it? The explosive will have to be stationary as well, unless each joint, or the counterweight will harbor explosives
Finally got all basic sciences
>>574358325>CLANKERS, CLANKERS, CLANKERS!It's heart-warming how quickly normies adopted the new slur.
>>574364624afaik, it's Star Wars fags
How should I add purple/yellow science to this? Or can I research them elsewhere? My purple science production is on the other side of my raw material bus
>>574362267if i absolutely had to choose, i would say indigo and blue are too close - im not color blind, but they might be hard to tell apart at a first glance through the inventory
>>574366565here's a hint: long handed inserters
>>574364624The funny part is that if they had today's AI back then, they might have actually finished and released the game instead of keeping it in Early Access for 10 years.
>2 red belts of iron plates aren't enough to keep running a single assembling machine making express (blue) beltsi can squeeze in a 3rd belt, but that's a fat greedy recipe >.>
>>574366686>im not color blindMaybe not, but your monitor fucking is.Indigo and violet are much closer together by value alone.
>>574362267Here's the resource you should use for any color distinction needs.https://sashamaps.net/docs/resources/20-colors/
>>574367383It's true, but if you're building 2.5 belts per second you're probably not too cheesed about the cost.
>>574367383accept that you wont run it at 100% like i did with green beltseven 1 or half per second is good
was thinking of a sushi belt for fulgora that checks if any item is above 1000if an item is above 1000 any excess gets thrown out and recycled
>>574367618too bad eyes don't see values faggot
>>574372146I don't know about a sushi belt for that kind of thing, but "Keep X amount of stuff and recycle the rest" is the standard loop for Fulgora
>>574372598
>>574367618anon if distance on numbers equalled perceived distance I wouldn't bother making my own palette, I'd just use straight RGBCMY x2
>Get advertised new factory game Fractal Foundry>Ask the dev if it's actually fractal or just recursive>Dev doesn't understand>Carefully explain the difference between infinite self similarity vs halting algorithms>He smiles and says it makes pretty fractals sir>Look inside >Look inside >Look inside >Look inside >Look inside>Base case
>>574373587wait I'm retarded, you're talking about valuewhy are you talking about value? this is like 99% a hue thing
>>574373042oh, look what does it say there?>light-sensitivenot value-sensitive, how curious
I had my vision expanded into deep IRs and UVs but didn't get any new qualia to go along with it so all of this shit just looks green to me
>>574374307they're equivalentsmall amounts of light hit light-sensitive rods = low valuelarge amounts of light hit light-sensitive rods = high value
>>574373884kek
>>574367618i havent played around with options on my monitor, but its a rather pricy msi oled, so i doubt there is anything wrong with colorsif there is a single type of science pack in the inventory, i would have hardest time recogning these two colorsim not saying it would be difficult to see the difference, but other colors in my opinion are more distinctyou wanted a feedback and you got it - do whatever you want with it
>>574375006>pricy msi oled, so i doubt there is anything wrong with colors>factory default is vibrantyeees
>>574366686> im not color blindnigga...
>>574375006There are better solutions
>tooltip says I need 0.3 items per second for this assembler>proud of myself of getting a perfect ratio, crafting 0.3 per second of item>somehow last pair doesn't get enough items>wtf>do math by hand>it needs 0.357 items per secondWhy the FUCK doesn't it round up to 0.4 or at least 0.36? Is this a change in 2.1? I don't remember having this problem before.
>>574375674>this "problem"Just build more
>>574366686What color is it?
>>574375914Orange
>>574375006anon, you got your anons mixed up, the person you're talking to isn't the one who posted the image
>>574375914Why is the assembler flashing its erection at me?
>>574376164It's not white
>>574375914calamansi, at 25% darkening.
>>574367914that's only 9 hues though
>>574375914Piss after two white monsters
ive been lurking long enough to know that you faggits are going to argue about anythinghere is a side-by-side comparison between a monitor photo and a screenshot from an iphoneindeed, blue and indigo do look more similar on the monitor, but i still hold my ground - these two colors are closer to each other than the other
>>574376915That's a real shitty monitorPost 2012 production?
>>574376915yeah what the fuck is wrong with your monitor
>>574376915I BANISH THEhttp://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php
>>574376915Blue and Indigo are as seperate as aqua and turquoise on my end,
>>574206170Oooh that's who the FTD link was supposed to annoy
>>574377147>>574377249there is nothing wrong with iti bet its better than any piece of shit your are using
>>574377804Snälla, korkade lilla bellman, pröva en annan skärm.
>>574376915kek it looks like something you'd see from a 16bit color terminal render
>>574377804considering you can't tell the two colours apart at a glance I beg to differ.
>>574335151the real real of Factorio is megabasing
>>574376915yeah that region is hard to get right. you can see I had to compress the cyan area and expand the magenta one, indigo is where pure blue would be if this was just RGBstill it's odd that it's those two in particular that are blending for you, they're nearly 50 degrees apart while indigo-violet is a hair over 10
>>574335151Once you've launched rockets in vanilla, the game is basically overSome players challenge themselves to try and produce/consume 1,000 science per minute which entails greatly scaling up your production and conquering the challenges associated with thatSome players download an overhaul mod that drastically changes the production chains, and play through thoseSome players start over with different settings, like a Deathworld (heavy on biters) or Ribbon World (picrel)Some players just stop playing because you "won"All are valid.
>>574379230>conquering the challenges associated with thatRepetition is not a challenge, it's a low skilled job.
>>574373042>AI overviewDon't dumb here. This not dumb area.
>>574379230ring seems like hell to play, don't know if it would even be fun.
>>574379763>attacking the messenger, not the messageok homoback to the playground with you
>>574379958It's definitely not my idea of fun, eitherBut there are people who enjoy shit like Ultimate Ironman in OSRS where you can't use a bank or accept items from other players, or basically anybody who plays hardcore in any ARPG
>>574373042unrelated but this shit has ruined search engines.
>>574380137I don't think we should allow the homo to be around a playground
>>574380137The problem with citing an AI overview is trusting its accuracy. Attacking the AI overview IS attacking the message. Because the actual message is the source that the AI harvested. Same reason you don't cite Wikipedia in an essay. You've managed to say something even dumber. Well done.
>>574380471
>>574380754>trusting its accuracyRods & cones is elementary school stuff. You should really get that TDS fixed, it's already grown malignant.
>>574382107Now you're being deliberately obtuse.
What's next for factory games? Is there anything upcoming that isn't just a Factorio derivative?
>A photo of something saying what I want to say will make it more authoritative>Go find a source? No.>Chatbot, I need you. My strength is waning.
>>574382206>Now you're being deliberately obtuse.
>>574382107>mentally retarded man shocked to learn that he is on fox
Why the fuck did Workers and Resources implement heating as a central boiler station that pipes steam to all structures? Is that a thing that actually existed anywhere instead of just each building having a boiler room that needs to be supplied with fuel?
>>574383713
>>574383713It's hot water, not steam. Most (all?) east european cities work like this. I'm not sure how the efficiency savings of having a central boiler stack up against distribution losses, but that's how we do things.
>>574384879It's a logistics optimization....and gives away another aspect of control to the state.>The U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis began steam district heating service in 1853.[citation needed] MIT began coal-fired steam district heating in 1916 when it moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts.[5][6]
>>574385353Well, not by much. They already control cold water, shutting that off would make your boiler useless.
>>574384331>>574384879Well, should I enable seasons? Power and water both seem worthwhile for gameplay but the implementation of heating seems like just duplicating water logistics without any substance, only tedium.
>>574385527Future eco terrorists will use to force everyone to lower the thermostat in the freezing winter by turning down the heat output.
Damn, I missed the helipad.
>>574380260i mean google search was completely fucking worthless before AI came along
>>574385703It's about maintaining stable operation. Water can be stored in buffers and electricity can be supplemented with imports, but heating must not stop.The way the game handles workers, its key concept, is actually fucking retarded. They do not have stable jobs, just get shipped around like cargo by public transport until they're dumped near enough an understaffed building. Then work there for ~25 hours, die, and respawn at home. So the moment he dies you need someone new to be within a few steps of the heating plant, otherwise output starts to drop.
>>574386249You can no longer use exact match, exclusions, restrict search to a specific domain, and a dozen other tricks.
>>574386690"The algorithm" has context that is indecipherable. Sometimes you can use quotes and it will return only three results and sometimes it will outright ignore your quotes. Sometimes exclusions work and sometimes they don't. I've never seen "site:" not work though.
>>574375914Looks like green
Imagine, an Eridian mod for ONI.
>>574375914PANTONE® honey mustard 07?
>>574378668
Got myself a nitrous-methane powered deep miner and centrifuge. Clocks in at almost 1200 RPM at full throttle. The electric drills are only 200 and the electric centrifuges 100 RPM for comparison. I'm trying to have as many things as possible accessible without an EVA suit for this base and it's been really fun. How Stationeers was meant to be played.
>>574375914A somewhat darkened chartreuse.
A or B boys?
>>574405314gross
>>574375914What machine is this? I can't find it in the game.
>>574405596I'm not gross I swear
>>574405314C
>>574382107>Rods & cones is elementary school stuffYet you felt the need to use the AI overview instead of citing an elementary school source...
Holy spaghetti
What do you think of the space casino ban? Are you mass producing legendary stuff before the patch comes?
>>574413239It's shitty and just stinks of developer butthurt because people figured out an emergent interaction they didn't think about.
>>574413239I don't understand why it needed banning. Sure it was busted, but you could only set it up at the very end of the game, so it wasn't like it was ruining progression
>>574343229But why so many?
Exactly 3 logs. Nice.
>>574413239gotta agree with the other anon that it reeks of dev butthurt. Quality is so poorly thought out it feels like a "noooo, you have to do it our way" which honestly there is a lot of in Space Age.>>574415758I am making a 557000 big space platform so I can beat space age with solar/lasers.
>>574413239it's just another instance of spage being designed around solutions instead of toolsand also quality being shit
>>574413239>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T REPLACE YOUR ENTIRE FACTORY WITH LEGENDARY SHIT>BAN BAN BAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN IT ALL!!!devs hate you for existing and subverting their grind of upscaling
>>574413239kind of weird but i never used it because it felt retarded from the getgo soeh
>>574373884It's clearly a recursive factory for generating fractal shapes.
this seems like a game design flaw
>>574377804it has a Delta E < 2 and a 99% coverage of DCI-P3 so the hardware should be good, but you are probably using it in some fucked default setting and the only way to make it display colors properly is using an external calibrator like a Spyder
>>574416257>Left-hand trafficAppalling.
>>574424429Left handed trains are correct in Factorio.
>>574424429we use left hand traffic here in chinajust feels natural
>>574386249Google AI just gives you summaries of reddit posts
>>574407578>>574405314D, move the pole up and make it uncommon
>>574424429With right hand traffic if you get out of the train while it's driving does it dump you in the middle of the two tracks or the outside? Also the rail signals go on the outside if it's left hand traffic which feels nicer.
>>574405314You save one belt with B, it's the only possible choice.
>>574405314
>>574434169Every round hole/square peg is a square hole/round peg with enough force and lube.
new chest idea : active storage chestbots will fill this storage chest first when moving stuff to storage
That wasn't as hard as I imagined
>>574438138is this vanilla, or SA?
>>574439019Vanilla, once I launch a rocket I'm getting SA and starting a new save!
>>574439385congrats, anon.I think it's the right order to do things too.
>>574363438Better idea: put a camera and a few leds on it, and have the leds reproduce the color of whatever is on the other side at each instant
What are some must have factorio mods? I haven't played the DLC version yet
>>574441001whichever one disables gleba
>>574441092What's wrong with Gleba?
>>574441001The mods I automatically install for every playthrough:- Visual display mods>Display Plates>Nixie Tubes>Text Plates - Planning/Testing>Factory Planner>Rate Calculator>Blueprint SandboxesI'll often use more (like cleaned concrete, disco science, auto deconstruct, etc.), but every single playthrough has all 6 of the above mods basically no matter what.
it feels like the correct way to play fulgora is to use logi bots but that feels like cheating?
If I want to saturate my base with robots, I have to have every single items on a assembly line?
>>574439385Nice, that's the way to do it
>>574441561Tha ks anon
>>574441825It always does.Anyway, you can have a series of (13?) splitters filtering scrap output to separate belts or separate recycler sets. Route the stuff to where it's needed for science, and push the overflow into a general rerycle-into-nothing array.
yes
>>574441825just have a scrap river loop, pick what you need and recycle at the end of the loop
>>574441001Squeak ThroughFar Reach Bottleneck Lite
>>574444212I don't see any quality on those, bit of a waste.
fulgora is making me motion sick and i think its the lightning strikes
Why didn't the Engineer think of pic related?>>574413239I was never interested in it, so I am indifferent towards its ban, however, if players were gloating endlessly how easy quality was because of it and it also undermined The Vision™, then I guess it was well-warranted.
>>574449187why thowhat use is hot heat pipes on vulcanus
>>574449426Jumpstarting power production without solar I guess
>>574449757You would still need water for that. He's right, the vanilla tech is just too limited to make any use out of it. Muluna has condenser turbines that return water, Exotic has heat-powered smelters and chemplants, etc.
>solarOHNONONONO
why notnotnotnot
>>574449925You can drop ice from orbit and>it needs to be melted in a chemical plant on a planet that's literally on firelmao, I concede
>>574449187>1000 Cheat
>>574200067those were two good weeks, I wish he kept on streaming...
>melt ice in space>barrel it and send it down to make steam engines go WRRRRRR>but i require a powered machine to open said barrels and access the water inside
Has trailmakers changed significantly in the last 1-2 years? I played it I think 2 years ago and was considering a replay if it's different
>>574413239I guess I forgot to answer the second half of this but yes, I am trying to do some of my stuff before it comes out so I can avoid the retarded upcycling that they seem to think is interesting.
>>574441825It's the easiest and most efficient solution, and no developer nerfed it so it's intended. I did the splitter-every-product and had a legit headache after rebuilding my factory 3 times, but I did feel a sense of accomplishment.
I've discovered the value of pets.Don't look too closely.
How many simultaneous surfaces can you have running before the game completely shits itself in performance?Anyone done testing on thisWhat's the optimal number of planet mods to add?
>>574450882I really dislike the start of aquillo so god damn much. Even in general aquilo is shitI think nerfing bots was good on aquilo but i also think underground belts should have been as well, make them run half the speed they normally doThen there is the whole steam pipes freezing. Should have gave them a 1 tile adjacent heat range with with anything else that handles hot liquids immune to freezing
>>574452641they're just chunks, same as any other
I agree. Ice should spoil.
>>574453153into water
>>574457145Into biters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7PljgvNn10epic
>>574459246>some people are physically incapable of doing thisit's funny
I'm having SEx for the first time!! Got rid of my starter base handfeeding abomination and automated all science packs for 1/s, now time to rebuild and go to space
>>574460915>rebuildjust build moar
tentacle monster bio-mechanical eg when?
>>574463298existsI remember seeing heavy ads for it last year, so it's probably outalready forgot the name
>>574463617what i had in mind was more of an eroge but I'll take a normal bio-factory game too.
>>574439385>once I launch a rocket I'm getting SA and starting a new save!
i just made a fucked up spaghetti mess on fulgora then pretended it didnt happen and reloadedwhat the fuck how am i struggling with fulgora AFTER gleba??my main issue is that some stuff doesnt get deleted fast enough
>>574439385HANK DON'T ABBREVIATE SPACE AGE AS SA HAANK
>>574439539>>574442738>>574463738What am I missing, I bought SpessAge asuming it just added new content. Does it actually change the base game too?t. newb
>>574465371yeah, it makes launching the initial rocket much easier. It's like an overhaul mod for the base game.
>>574465371Yes it does, there are a bunch of changes but the most significant is that rockets become available at the blue science level and are significantly cheaper to make, so that's when you get access to space and depending on how you choose to play (if you visit another planet immediately or not) from here on out things can be very different from vanilla.
>>574465672fuck... but my spaghetti kino... I don't want to restart again but this information will bother me.
>>574465951I'm not at blue science yet is there a mod that reverts this change so it's the same values as vanilla?
>>574466030On the other hand, some research gets gated after planet research like coal liquefaction, hill explosives, spidertron and the more advanced personal modules.Also you need to launch a lot more rockets, so building with expandability in mind is important.
>>574466179that would mess up the progression of space age, it eases you into space building before building ships by starting with just a simple platform for space science
I love concrete
>>574469385someone post that image of someone eating concrete
>>574469529you'll have to wait for the failtuber to show up
How do I make train go both ways? Setup first mining outpost and I'll expand my rail network later just want an ore to keep flowing. I have one locomotive facing forward and one at the end of train facing backward but train doesn't go back to station meant for unloading.
>>574471693Trains follow the right-hand rule during navigation (even if some backwards and deranged anons attempt force it otherwise), therefore...?
>>574469529>just spent 20 minutes looking for that exact one>it's not in my dump reaction folderholy fuck what a waste of time that was
>>574270339Much, much bigger travesty than the assemblers. Looks and functions like dogshit
>>574471693could be a number of things, I would guess either train schedule being wrong or not having train signals for both ways. is there no icon above the train telling you what it could be?
beholdmy felgora sushi belt
>>574452107>looked closelyIt's a whole self-contained story.
>>574473345Glorious
>>574373884what would an actual fractal factory game look like?
helpthe EM plant production is INHALING my hol supply
>>574475094put prod modules in the foundry for another cheap 50%
>>574473136>>574472436Not having signals both ways is the thing. I did setup one way.
>>574383713Are you brown? It is called DHP, district heating plant. It is much much more effective on a large scale.
>>574476717or balkan, or any other place that's too warm to need it
>>574476717You have contributed nothing (It was all already discussed immediately after that post) but telling us that you're an insufferable twit who lets himself get swept up in the latest buzzwords and corresponding thoughts.
>it's been three civvie videos since the last dosh vid
the sushi approach for fulgora is really fun
>>574199379I wanna buy factorio but its too pricey up front and I'm too much of a moralfag to pirate an indie game
>>574482321Do it and if you like it pay for it, don't be a pussy
>>574480738>docjade also started streaming its over
/mmcg/ is killRecomend me a cool factory game other than factorio to play in the meantime
>>574363438Pretty neat, but probably functionally useless.
>>574483737there are none, but look at the pad in the OP maybe you'll find something
mathematically perfect, but its goddamn disgusting
how 2 void stone in space explorationItems may be transported between planets using cargo rockets or delivery cannons. You can transport stone from navus to a vulcanite planet using delivery cannons. If there is room inside of a delivery cannon chest, and the delivery cannon chest is targeted by a delivery cannon, then the launched material is safely transferred from the starting planet to that chest on the vlucanite planet. This costs 1 delivery cannon capsule, which is 10 cable, 1 lds, 5 explosives, and 1 heat shielding.That's 13 sulfur 35 iron, 15 copper 35 stone, 10 coal per launch, launching 50 stone.On landing on empty dirt, 37 out of 50 stone was destroyed in testing, with the remaining stone left on the ground with deconstruction requests automatically generated. This means you can have a planet which is dedicated to the voiding of materials, where you carefully control the delivery of material in order to avoid destroying your construction bots when you cycle unwanted material.As bricks may be launched instead, and bricks launch 100 units per capsule, 1 capsule should destroy about 74 bricks, which is 148 stoneThe basic core miner produces equal amounts of iron, copper, and stone, and half as much coal, meaning that this action will increase the ratio of iron to stone, but may result in an overabundance of copper, eventually.
>>574483737haved checked MM in a few months
>>574452707>I think nerfing bots was good on aquiloDisagree. You still build using bots, you just have to build more ports to charge with. And by that stage you should have absolutely no problem powering Aquilo with rocket fuel even if you massively overbuild on bots+ports because of all the productivity bonuses you have by then and how relatively easy it is to scale power production on Aquilo. So all it really does is just make you wait for your personal bots to charge longer and force you to put another reactor in your grid. Which is pretty pointless. There just should've been some other kind of biter-esque limiting factor on Aquilo. You pumpjack too much and you summon Cthulu or something. Something entertaining instead of 'hey now you have to wait 5 minutes for the charge to go back up'.
>>574482321buy it on gog, save the installer and then refund itethical
>>574473345Now that's an ambitious amount of holmium solution chemical plants. I see about 2 holmium ore on the belt.
>>574493381at this point just pirate and not be a gay retard
>>574492235I'm guessing he was talking about logi bots, not construction. You can offset their range penalty with quality, at legendary they have their Nauvis range on Aquilo and just spend 5x as long recharging.
>>574494515You know, I actually forgot you could use logistics bots there. The idea of using them on Aquilo simply didn't occur to me. An unthinkable notion.
>>574493381That's less ethical than just pirating it.
>>574489961Since when do factorio players care about aesthetics over raw numbers? I agree it's truely vile
>>574489961>>574498331
Are we crushing up green chips and sprinkle it over blue chips? Explain this to me
>>574469385It's neato that in spage they drew the cliffs to work better visually with concrete.
>>574491498I always just placed a couple warehouses and turned all the excess into landfill, but if you are going for a giant interstellar base and have a huge excess you can send all that in a cargo rocket to some centralized planet with either many more warehouses or some clever circuit for voiding it using some explosives there, I think it's possible to do automatically.
>>574504310How would explosives help? They don't do nothin?
>>574505369Blowing up a container voids its contents.
>>574452641>What's the optimal number of planet mods to add?Zero, because they all suck
>>5744914981 cargo rocket has 500 slots. Delivery capsules stack to 50, so that's 500*50 = 25000 capsules.100 cargo parts: 3400 brick 3200 sulfur 9200 plastic 6000 glass 10k iron 4 k steel 18.8k copper 2k batteries1 space capsule is 4.8k copper 750 battery 950 steel 600 iron 1800 heat shielding 100 solid rocket fuel 2k plastic 800 sulfur 937 brick2500 capsules cost 12.5k brick 20k sulfur 25k plastic 12.5k explosive 25k glass 17.5k steel 37.5k copperMoving that base material inside of delivery capsules costs ~2k capsules, and so the base material cost is about 80% of the above line. So, moving the material for the construction of delivery capsules using delivery capsules instead of using a cargo rocket, costs 3* the bricks, 8* the sulfur, 2* the plastic, 4* the glass, 2* the copper, and 2* the iron or something, ignoring batteries and assuming no productivity. A redditor seemed to indicate that delivery capsules become less efficient than rockets only after a few rocket-refund researches. Am I missing something?Maybe they were talking in terms of base ingredients...
Thoughts?Does Spage finally have its comprehensive overhaul mod?
I don't understand whats going on here
>>574511267train stop is on the wrong side
>>574495129This. Sadly I didn't account for the bot restriction with construction bots which makes building anything hell
>>574511267My brofloskyPlease rename your stops to something more descriptive before it's too late
Is there any way to mass assign quality assignments to an area? Or do I have to manually select the quality setting in 120 machines?
>>574514282Have you tried the upgrade planner?
>>574466030its really not that big of a deal :) just keep playing!
>>574514921Just did. Couldnt find a way to just upgrade quality parameters.
Are you going to let me make blue chips and LDS now, game?
>>574514282What do you mean specifically? You want to change the recipe of assemblers to be of a quality version of a recipe? You want to change a bunch of the assembler buildings to be upgraded into a quality version of the building? What specifically?
>>574524560>There are fields, Anon. Endless fields.
>>574524704I want to set a quality level on each of these groups. Copy and paste the regular version, but when I do this in Fulgora I want to replace everything with requester chests. I will need to change them to that quality level.
>>574524943So you want to be able to set requester chest requests according to quality? Why would you not shift-right shift-left click the assemblers onto the requester chests? I'm still not sure I understand what you want to do here.
There is something quite comfy about the early game, its so peaceful. If only I can build a small hut and chop wood all day.
>>574525771if you like factory "roleplay" then satisfactory would be unironically perfect for you, it's not a very good logic puzzle or logistics challenge game but due to the fact that it's 3d it's very immersive.i've played it a year or two ago and i still remember pointlessly chopping down trees which were in the way of my HV lines just because i thought it would look cooler, and i'm usually very autistic and i never care about aesthetics when playing games like these.
>>574525771There aren't enough games with low level detail like building a cabin log by log. You get pieces to snap together and maybe you need to throw ingredients from your bag of holding into holograms of those pieces. I want a game with a sawmill feeding construction plank by plank and automation starting with waterwheels and windmills.
>>574525717Listen up bud im kinda retarded, didnt even try that. But Setting up... ten? fifteen??? quality upscalers adds up, a quality upgrader, yea
>>574526997>I want a game with a sawmill feeding construction plank by plank and automation starting with waterwheels and windmills.made me think of settlers 2, it's more of a rts but every resource is an object and your settlers need to carry everything everywhere. settlers 3 is also alright but it leans more into modern rts with controllable groups of units.
>>574493780When I was young and poor student I pirated DROD games (ok, everybody pirated everything, wild times).It took me maybe 10 years to appreciate effort to build these games and buy them. Just pirate it, and you will buy when ready.BTW, Deadly Rooms of Death is very good logical game, highly recommend. Not the last one, though. tSS is autistic and, thus, is shit.
>>574507497>thoughtsyou don't seem the kind of guy that has many
LOLI CANT RESTART THIStHIS place is antithetical to my building style. WUBE, I would literally kneel you completely fucked me up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y-9GbsS9Fg
bros, im lost
>>574493695kek
>>574473345I like to use slaves for adhoc tasks, so i did my fulgora using main bus. I filter stuff from first (junk to items) and second (items to components) iterations and then void leftovers in recycle cycle.And first i fill bus belts, some chests for buffer and surplus goes to voiding.
>>574524943wait what? you can put just quality filter on splitters?! holly crap, my whole life was a failure
>>574532394No. That image is faked.
>>574524560>no foundries horrifying
>>574532394you should read all the SA fffs
When is a good time to get into quality? When you're about to go to another planet? I'm trying to think of what would even benefit from quality where just putting down a duplicate of the regular version wouldn't be better. Probably just like equipment, right? I guess also stuff on your space craft because space is limited there? I'm about to launch my first rocket and I haven't touched it at all.
>>574533257You can start as soon as it's unlocked. I add it to most of my mall assemblers, takes no effort to do it there. If you do get an assembler, chemplant or a furnace in quality it's a nice boost for spaceships where space is limited, same with modules, steam turbines and a few other things.It's also a possibility in science, anywhere you're not allowed to put productivity you can use quality instead. So purple and military.
kino
>>574533257>It's also a possibility in science, anywhere you're not allowed to put productivity you can use quality instead. So purple and military.what do you mean purple and military? i can put prod modules in the assemblers making them just fine
>>574534429But not in the step right before. Electric furnace, stone wall, etc. So you make those with quality, then make science out of green or blue tier components.
>>574533257>I'm about to launch my first rocket and I haven't touched it at all.You can ignore it completely and be fine, quality is really good for asteroid collectors tho
>>574491498>how 2 void stone in space explorationenjoy the authentic earandel experience of having surplus stone from everything and literally no void option other than turning it into landfill, piling it into a warehouse, and then blowing the warehouse up
>>574533257I would advise not to spend very much time on quality until much later on. Until you've at the very least gotten recyclers and understand what kind of loops you can make and how long you will need to run the machines to get anything of usable quality.People say that getting some quality grabbers on your platforms is good, but honestly I think the actual effective difference is minimal since you will rarely be saturating the normal quality grabbers on your initial platform builds, nor necessarily need more effective grabbing than just building more normal quality grabbers would accomplish anyway.Later on though quality roboports and bots, and most everything you will mall really, is all good stuff. It's pretty easy to accomplish if you use the asteroid casinos strategy, but that's also borderline cheating and is being removed.
>>574491498>how 2 void stone in space explorationK2 crusher
I can't believe I'm doing calculations in my free time.and enjoying it.
>>574536220>inverse seconds instead of units per secondBEGONE DEMON
>>574537209It's neater that way. The alternative would be to divide the whole number by s, which looks ugly.
>>574537474>It's neater that way.no that is deeply satanic behavior
>>574537532You can't tell me you prefer this. And I'm not about to make a custom unit for a throwaway calculation for KSP.
>>574536220what software is this?
>>574537723Mathcad Prime. It's not cheap, but I get it for free.
>>574537668You have to define a custom unit to write out 0.507 O/s?
>>574537668>KSPI thought this was nullius.
>>574537843Yes. I'd have to define the unit "O". It'd take all of 10 seconds, but fuck that. s^-1 is a perfectly valid unit.
>>574537723>>574537841Though apparently there is a free version called Express which has basic functionality. I assume it can do everything I did in that image.
>>574537979>s^-1 is a perfectly valid unit.When it is actually the unit in use, yes. That is not true here. What you have done is like dropping the radians in an angular velocity and just calling it a floating "per second."
>>574533257whenever you feel ready to manage extra bullshit, but having recyclers to upscale or void all byproducts really helps. My plan is to mass produce violet Q3 modules (I havent unlocked epic quality yet). And it is faster to produce quality shit than to rely just on upscaling with recyclers, their yield is ridiculous.
>>574536220What would your teacher grade you for doing it llike this?
>>574536220I can't believe you're not doing it in LaTeX.
>>574500472>big computer made from lots of small computers
>>574538894It's 2026 and y'all still complain about the "yield" and "waste" of the quality process in the expansion that gives you 300% productivity across 10 intermediate production steps and 12.5x yield from every ore patch (before researching dirt cheap mining productivity)
>>574538865Okay, perfectly valid was perhaps not the right wording. Perfectly functional is what I meant. I don't have a use case for distinguishing H from O right now. If I find I need it, I'll go back and redefine.>>574539437Assuming I got the right answer, A. I'm doing kind of a weird degree that's half wrench-turner, half electrical engineer. I'm not a physicist. Results are what matter here.Though if I were showing this to anyone who actually mattered, I'd make sure the units were true, not just functional.>>574539547Why the FUCK would I do it in LaTeX?
>>574540182>Why the FUCK would I do it in LaTeX?Style points on /g/.
>>574482321just wait for the next sale bruv
>>574530219dont put green cubes on belts, direct insert them to target
>>574540094It's about time wasted waiting for required amount of items. Getting same amount of high quality plates from furnace is faster than cycling up through no quality plates or destroying advanced items. You could obviously put 100 recycles to work, obviously, but that's annoying.
His new game is going to be unrivaled.
>>574540789If you want to wait less you build more, simple as.
how does the rocket silo have a welding laser, even doe its recipe doesn't have a laser in it
>>574543487Does the laser turret have a laser in its recipe?
fulgora would be easier if i can just incinerate items like on glebasome items recycle too slowly and it sucks
>>574543884Such as? You can usually craft them into something else that recycles faster.
>>574544083LDS
I'm starting my first Space Age game, this time I plan on expanding my base organically. Automating each material from the ground up/until I'm satisfied slowly working down the tech tree. Do the research work if the sciences are in different labs? I'd like to craft each item in their own little "ecosystem" without a mainbus so to speak.
>>574542193this is interesting and clean solution. I will steal it, when I will feen the urge to switch from my spaghetti to proper setup.
>>574546357no they must all be in the same lab
>>574543487
>>574541462handsome boy
>>574482321get the demo
>>574543487how does the laser turret have a laser if it's recipe doesn't have laser in it?
>>574541462I really wonder what their next game is going to be like, but I think we won't be hearing about it for several years at least.
kovarax getting banned from his own game's subreddit was 5 years ago
emergency bump
boss, this ain't looking good
Might be slightly overthinking this.
>>574558028you are supposed to use efficiency modules whenever possible
>>574558028this happens to me every single time I finish automating bots/roboports. It's in the interim before I get my rails up to farm a uranium patch.
>>574558081Or perhaps I was underthinking it.
I'm so crazy! :p
>>574562059but why
>>574562351I care about global warming
>>574543487The silo also has a requester chest in it
>>574482321https://web.archive.org/web/20130324042745/http://www.factorio.com/preorderHere you go.
>>574540691Factorio is worth 35 dollary doos though unlike that piece of shit 'rimworld' which gets the same 20% off every sale despite not being worth fifeteen dollars.
>>574566375Buy Tynan's game, anon
>>574567756never, I'm morally opposed to it.
Looks like someone slipped their fetish into the update notice.
>>574569496what the game is that?
>>574569496>>574569749>Stationeersholy shit image search actually worked for once!
By the time I actually finish this Duna mission, the lander will be 100m tall, and I'll have retired.
>>574569496it can be consumed in ctitical situation, although it makes you lose some health
>>574543884just fill chests and hit them with artillery? Would a railgun suffice?
>>574569496>>574571782When's the reproduction update?
>>574524560no beaconssever throughput issues
Am I going insane or did 2.1 change the biter expansion?I'm playing Krastorio 2 (non-spage version) and the biters keep expanding into my pollution way faster than they ever did in 2.0I'm barely holding on, just trying to survive until I research Air purification, this feels like Rampant
>>574574294>Am I going insane or did 2.1 change the biter expansion?Yeah, they're a lot more aggressive now
fulgora done and now i can do aquilohowever before that 2 things1. redo all of nauvis starter base to use new buildings2. make a ship that can handle the trip to aquilonot looking forward to 1 sigh
>>574569496I'm actually really liking the peepeepoopoo mechanic. They added a "hygiene" need a while ago where you had give your guy a shower every once and a while, but it didn't really have much impact. The toilet lets you completely reclaim any water you drink if you treat the "polluted water" by boiling it into steam and then recondensing it. It's especially useful on worlds where you can't mine water ice. This update also made showers give a movement speed and tool speed buff, so you'll want to build a complete bathroom with all the facilities.
This is gonna be a mess to update for high quality, should've done that with the basic design.
>>574574294>did 2.1 change the biter expansionYes, in 2 ways1) Biters now expand into chunks you have cleared rather than in-between their existing nests2) Expansions are now larger, and will be on-par with the map generation nestsThis is part of a post from Klonan showing the problem with 2.0
>>574576642yeah desu I always despised the dinky little 5 spawner bases the old system shat everywhere, good changebetter to have a bunch of big nests you can anticipate attacks from and build defences instead of a million wimps you have to clear out every hour
>>574576642won't be long now before those biters nests evolve some overlords
>>574578346Imagine if biters actually settled patches and used up their resources
>>574578484chomping up iron and copper ores to to grow their teeth
>>574578484could be just one specific resource both you and the biters want, like some mineral rich hot spring or straight crude or something
does anyone still play crossout? there used to be a warbros clan but that was a long long long time ago
What do the biters eat anyway? What were they doing before the engineer arrived??
>>574586202Grazing, probablyEither that or fish
>>574586202Dicks and asses.
>>574586202I would assume they eat something natural, like the fish or something that feeds on treesIt's why they get all pissed off when you kill all the trees and turn the water green
>>574586765Biters eating fish would be cute. Imagine spotting an expansion party taking a quick break at a pond.
>>574586993would also let them change the captive spawner to take fish and have it make sense
>>574586765biters clearly eat pollutionthats why they didn't take over the whole planet until you landedthats why they exponetially explode in population as you pollute moreidk how you people don't understand this
>>574586202Pollution.
what do demolishers eat
>>574588787filter feeding minerals from lava and sulfur gas from vents
>>574567756nah, I will make a game, just after I learn japanese
>>574586993Would also cause problems once they evolve to be three times as big. Unless the fish evolved too.
>>574588787Demolishers are a puzzle, because Vulcanus had a thriving ecosphere at some point, as evidenced by the carbonized trees on its surfaceSo either they always existed deep in the ground and only surfaced after the calamity, or they are an evolution of some other organism that somehow survived
>>574589213How do you know big magma worms don't live in the center of the Earth right now?
>>574589651Now that's a thought that's going to fester
>>574589702>>574589651>giant magma worms in the magma seaI sleep>the tectonic plates are alive and sapientnow that's something
>>574538894>voiding
I'm a little scared
>>574589213>had a thriving ecosphere at some point, as evidenced by the carbonized trees on its surfaceThe trees are alive, not carbonized:>I wanted the ashlands to look like a spectral burnt forest with dark leafless shapes looming over you. The 'trees' if that is even the right word for them, are alive but we didn't want them to look leafy or anything like actual healthy trees. Presumably they get most of their energy by breaking down chemicals instead of photosynthesis, or perhaps they exploit the temperature gradient between the bottom and the top of the ash. From that point of view they are maybe more of an endolith fungus, but they have trunk-like shapes and have a tree-like role, so for now we call them trees. My theory is that there's a whole ecosystem of extremophile lifeforms that obtain energy through chemical reactions and the Demolishers live by consuming their biomass by sifting through the dirt.
Factorio space age but voiding doesn't exist. At all. Platforms can't void (you get asteroid conversion early), recyclers don't destroy anything (100% return rate), lava doesn't destroy anything, broken containers spill their stuff, broken trees and rocks drop their loot, burning anything creates byproducts that you can convert into iron, copper or more fuel.Literally nothing is destroyed at any time.
>>574598806why the fuck would burning carbon make iron, or fuel, or anything other than co2 and sootyou're stupid
>>574599729Because some of the burnable fuel would contain copper and iron so if you gather enough you could in theory convert them into iron and copper.
Why don't I use space for infinite steam turbine power?Is there a cap on temperature in space or will it eventually melt steel?
>>574598806Few things wrong with that. Firstly, asteroid reprocessing destroys asteroids. Secondly you can use quality modules with recyclers; with 100% return rate you would make everything legendary. Next, broken liquid containers can't spill their liquids. Then, if fuel burned becomes more fuel then you have infinite fuel without any additional resource.There's a few mods out there which actually do do the 'you have to deal with these byproducts without a dedicated destruction method until endgame' thing. Perhaps you should play those.
>>574602821To comment unhelpfully and pointlessly, I just wanted to say that I hate Oxygen Not Included. Shit just annoys me. Annoying systems, annoying animations, annoying lack of the things I'm looking for, annoying tone and general aesthetic.
>>574602821The only natural source of heat on the surface is regolith from meteors, so it won't get hotter than that. I'm not sure if it's enough heat to use as a power source. It's kind of a pain in the ass to collect automatically as well.
>>574602821The heat only comes from asteroids, and they don't get nearly hot enough to melt. Problem is steam turbines would ideally have cold above hot, you can't flip them upside down. Also, once you cool down the "crust" I don't think asteroids bring in heat very quickly.
>>574603194I concluded the same after playing for 300 hours, though I guess by that point I'd have gotten my money's worth. Just having to uninstall on a low note is a bummer.
>>574603194That's okay anon, I hate it too, I just don't want to play anything else.>>574604330>>574604373Oh okay I thought it was the light heating it up and didn't think to ask if it's because it was touching something hot.I guess I'll get to work on solar since I dug out all of the diamonds.So second question:How does detecting asteroids work? Should I put something likeDetector detects asteroid (I assume green signal)-> close door-> timer (~15-60s)---> timer finished, reopen doors, if detector still detects, cycle repeats
>>574602975>Firstly, asteroid reprocessing destroys asteroids.I thought I implied clearly enough that asteroid conversion wouldn't void anything contrary to vanilla.>Secondly you can use quality modules with recyclers; with 100% return rate you would make everything legendary.Yeah and how is that a problem for a meme run? You still can void the things you don't want. That's the one advantage you get.>Next, broken liquid containers can't spill their liquids. That's the one thing I'm not sure how to go about. You can't just spill barrels and that's technically voiding. But the resources you can turn into fluids are generally too precious to spill. Fluoroketone and holmium comes to mind. I guess there's biolubricant that causes problem.>Then, if fuel burned becomes more fuel then you have infinite fuel without any additional resource.I didn't say you would get as much fuel as you spent. Just that it's not typical voiding. If you get something that can be converted into carbon. This already exist with spoiling and of course science. It's meant to be one more thing you need to deal with. Now your burners spill both what you want and some trash you need to deal with, a bit like nuclear.The point is not to be balanced or a different game entirely. The entire point is the thought exercise. What would your platforms look like if you couldn't throw/void anything on them? What would Fulgora be like if you literally couldn't destroy anything you pulled from the trash? What would you do with all the stones from Vulcanus? How would you deal with Gleba if burning bio resources resulted in more garbage to deal with? What if Factorio but every machine needs water cooling?
>>574604791It's been a while, but I don't remember using a clock for those. I'm pretty sure the scanner's signal stays on for the entire shower.
>makes a nice symmetric design>oh fuck gotta put in the electric poles!
>>574606335embrace chaos
>>574606895The future is miserable.
>>574608389It really is quite beautiful when you embrace chaos.
>>574609767Because of... fake robot fights?I feel like the future is fucked for a lot better reasons than this webm.
>>574611480Why defend it?
>>574611562Clarify what you are specifically angry about, shithead.
>>574611702The best use of robotics is rock 'em sock 'em robots and other wasteful displays in china.Not doing jobs.They're not even destroying each other.
I want to learn how to use trains but slamming down a blue belt from my mining outpost is so much easier.:(
huhAquilo is bloody boring????
Whats the easiest formula to calculate ratios? My smooth brain hurts and I don't really want to look up a spreadsheet
>>574615975nonsense question. A ratio is the formula. Look, if you're just talking about red science, then you need 1 gear and 1 copper, and 1 gear costs 2 iron. It's that simple. 2 iron : 1 copper : 1 red science1 belt of red science costs 1 belt of copper and 2 belts of iron. Use different productivity, get different ratios.
>>574612516>How dare those robots not have jobsRight. I see.Have you considered that the full extent of implementation of advancements in robotics isn't described by this one webm of a Chinese publicity stunt?Don't google Robot Wars either. You'll have a tantrum when you find out what goes on there.
>>574616569This could be a fun programming /egg/. The physics would be pretty janky I bet.
>>574617023I'm retarded.
ITS SO UGLY!
>>574617023Like Colobot?
>>574616445when you factor in production time and the all the intermediate materials and base materials it gets a bit too much
>ColobotThis reminds me that a youtuber I used to watch is making a runescape botter simulator called macromancer where you need to program your own bots in python. It's basically a proof of concept right now and I wouldn't bet on it releasing this decade.
>>574616569Damn anon, still defending it I see. You must love chang's sloppy cock. Num yum yum! His cum goes down well with reddit spacing!I used to watch Robot Wars and enjoyed it. As a child I liked Razer. After a certain point the "meta" shifted so much it became unfun. The Ref Bot was one of the worst additions.I caught some of the reboot and wasn't impressed. There was a furry autist who couldn't handle interviews and yet they still used the footage of them trying to talk to him, a very real indicator of how antisocial society was getting. But more specifically everyone had access to real materials and neither circuit nor cable could be shaken loose by traditional methods. I don't remember if Razer showed up but I'd not expect him to deal everyone having actual metal hulls and weighing more than 2 kilos. I don't remember if they added weight categories and other gay stuff sports do when they stop being about fun.As an adult I don't like Craig Charles being the host because he's druggie who glides by thanks to the hard work of others.>>574617313This is fine, I guess.
>ah fuck, what do I do>all this PISS is piling up and I've nowhere to put it>and it'd be so much work to turn it into water to then make oxygen I can't even breathe because I have so much of that and I'd need to domesticate a bunch of slicksters to eat all that oxygen up and...>wait a second...If Zucky's metaverse happened, one of you would be noticing it raining piss in your factorio game
>>574620315production time is something which can be outright ignored during ratio calculation, and then adjusted afterwords.Example:(You) are making 1 blue science/second. You know you would require 2 engines to craft 2 blue science, and so 1 engine to craft 1 blue science. You know that engine will require 1 steel, 2 pipe, 1 gear per second. You know that will require 9 iron per second. Regardless of how many assembler 2's you need, you already know that you will need 9 iron/second to create your engines given no productivity.A single assembler 2 runs at .75 speed and uses 24 crafting seconds to produce 2 blue science. It outputs .625 blue/second. 16 assembler 2's output 1 blue science per second. So, if you build 16 assemblers, they will be able to consume the desired amount of input materials.So, the ratio of required ingredients supplied to your assemblers does not change the number of assemblers you will need to produce your desired output and consume your supplied inputs. The whole point of ratios is that it lets you calculate fewer things.
>>574620315Well when they're all crafting simultaneously it doesn't really matter. Easiest I've found is to standardise your assembler speed. Assembler 1s craft at 0.5 speed so just take the number of seconds it takes to craft something and place twice as many assemblers to get 1 per second. Start with your desired output (ex: whatever colour of science) and work backwards from there.
>>574605000>What would you do with all the stones from Vulcanus?make walls, put them in demolisher territory
>>574621369Gave me a slight chuckle until I saw the text on the banderole isn't sagging with the fabric
what the hell
>early factorio playthrough>build buffers everywhere (chests, storage tanks)>thousands of hours layer>build as little buffer as possibleWhen did you realize buffer was a meme?
>>574630539buffers are annoying because they obscure production bottlenecks, i never built them
>>574630539the more production you have relative to changing consumption, the less useful buffering isearly game your consumption changes a lot constantlylate game your consumption changes only when you're doing something big and when that's the case you're probably tuning up production too
>>574257935that my friend is what the science is for.when you don't need research, you inserter out spoiled first and let it spoil for carbon fiber production.or, you know, just turn bioflux into nutrients and let it expire 40 at a time.
>>574628115Korean animators are cheap for a reason!>>574630539I never used them outside of train stations because stack grabbers are bad for belts but good for boxes and boxes can be loaded whilst the train is not there but elsewhere... and oil tanks because I like having tanks of light/heavy/petrol... because it looks goodI might also have done it for oil deliveries so that a train can fully unload and leave, without the refineries being left empty because the storage was the train
>>574424313part of the challenge.
>>574567756It's endearing to see my 5-year old meme still get circulated.
>>574634513>mfw someone posts greg egan, BLUUUUE, or calls a server a serbAll me.
>just make it to fulgora in my first ship>had to stop twice to let the ammo factories keep up because I have no idea how to manage engine flow rate>didn't take myself>wasn't even a full load of cargo>have to go back>just dump everything on the ground and start flying back>go a little bit too fast>completely blow off the front of the ship>stop>slowly floating asteroid hits the oxidiser tank on the back where there aren't any guns>thankfully doesn't explodeSpace is kinda dangerous. The ship is hideous though. I keep wanting to make it symmetrical but I know I really shouldn't.
>>574637771It's easier to defend when it's smaller
>>574637771>had to stop twice to let the ammo factories keep upYour production is lacking, plain and simple. Power, asteroids or metal, which one are you lacking? Green modules go a long way on platforms also.>I have no idea how to manage engine flow rateTake one engine off.
>>574636359excuse me I also post gregan
>>574639190Just by looking at it, the bottleneck is the smelters
>>574639668lol, I wasn't paying attention and missed the long line of buffered ore.
>>574630539soience bufferes are good before infinity research because a series of them might take only 30s/pack, the other 60s/p, and it's more likely that your production is set up for 60spm in the early+mid game, this way the buffer keeps the labs fed at all times
Whats a good way to automate these? Sushi belt?
>>574640667uh
>>574640971>mass producing belts>uses reds
>>574641742when i finished producing enough i replaced all belts on vulcanos with greens
>>574636359>>574639259>someone posts greg eganI'm not super-glued to this thread, but I've never seen anyone post anything Greg Egan???>be me>occasional Greg Egan enjoyer>go to the library>go to the Greg Egan shelf>all goneHaven't gone to the library since.>he kind of sucks t.b.h.
>>574625226>It spills into bricks>Send it on a platform and destroy it>It falls back on the nearest planet
>>574642125>he's never seen this absolute wanger of a webm
>>574642125>he kind of sucks t.b.h.okay.
>>574637771>I have no idea how to manage engine flow rateadd a pump between storage tank and thrusteradd cable between hub and pumpread platform speedenable pump if speed < targetspeed
>>574643113>forgot about the combinator changes in 2.1 award
>>574546357nobut you can still keep your own areas and just bring the science only to a central lab area
>>574643389>the science trainI've always wanted to make one but never could get the output high enough before running out of techs.
Im watching people play factorio and built out massive supply chains in like 2 hours meanwhile I'm 16 hours in laying down my first train track like some autist. Haven't researched blue science yet
>>574643636most youtubers just don't show the time they spent planning and unfucking their basedon't think like thatwatch docjade, especially his space age playthroughshit goes wrong in his playthroughs and it honestly feels refreshing that he didn't edit it out
>>574614543Yep. Turns out the frost is not interactive enough of a threat.Fulgora suffers from the same issue, to a lesser extent. But at least, you have the satisfaction of turning lightnings into free energy.
>>574643636If you have a good, tileable layout for the basics then you can scale up really fast. I'm only just getting the hang of blueprints but now every time I make some chain of assemblers I make it specifically with copy pasting it in mind.
so in 2.1 you can just make refueling stations that make ammo and fuel components and just have your ships resupply?
>>574643617>I've always wanted to make one but never could get the output high enough before running out of techs.Honestly I think I'll do a 20x science run once 2.1 is out, with central science lab setup and various factories doing specific tasksRailworld, of course
imagine doing aquilo without the mech armor
how exactly are turbines working in space
>>574649658Shouldn't they work even better in space? They need a pressure differential.The only reason real-world spacecraft don't use them is there aren't huge chunks of ice floating around in space.
>>574649658There's an additional atmosphere of pressure difference that would improve the raw performance.The issue I see is ice accumulation on the turbine exhaust output from the exhaust steam expanding, cooling, and sublimating too quickly.
>>574646127That sounds fun, can't wait for 2.1
>>574630539They're not. You're using them incorrectly.
>>574649951>space>have 1 atmosphere of difference for all practical purposes>submarines>INFINITE ATMOSPHERES AND INSTANT DEATH ON MICROSCOPIC STRUCTURAL FAULTS BBBBIIIITCCCHHHHsubfags, i kneel
>>574655641Yep, that's part of the reason Mankind will consider building mines on Mars, of all things; Instead of just digging deeper here on Earth.Gravity is a bitch.
>Want to build my first megabase>Realize I have to build a huge starter base to supply my midgame base>Then I have to build a huge midgame base to supply my module base>Then I have to build a huge module base to supply my megabase>THEN I can build my megabaseAnd that's without qualityThis is looking tedious already
>>574656693>he thinks his CurrentBase or FutureBase is his RealBase
>>574656693There's a sandbox mode, you know?
Mmm...Not being able to build in the shallow, and not having cliff explosives, is more of a pain than I thought.I think I'll just scout for a couple of glitched islands, instead...
>>574656693Start using blueprints if you want to adopt that paradigm.
>>574649951how exactly would you use that extract 1 atm?that would mean you are boiling water and venting it into spacewhich means you need to get more water from somewhereeven if you were on an ice asteroid this doesn't sound like a good plan>>574655641the difference is in space you have to conserve every grama sub you can just throw material at any problem
>>574660349>the difference is in space you have to conserve every gramUntil gravity-shunting tech decouples the craft's inertial system from that of the outside world
>>574199379Just tried space engineers againUtter shame what became of that game.
I've gotten tiers 1-3 of astro + energy done for 300SPM, starting on material now.It's annoying since the material packs are quite bulky (only stack to 10) and you want to make them on land, so you end up with needing many trains. I have some waiting bays for spare trains, but the space elevator isn't stellar at working with interrupts (since there are two separate train networks working together). I'm also going to need to have lots of random stuff up there, and making a train full of trains that moves every few hours feels so annoying.It's still not nearly as bad as bio is though, bio is basically designed to be as hostile to trains as possible. It's both the most interesting and the most annoying of the BEAM sciences.
>>574543884Fruits incinerate slow a fuck
>>574658712research lets you build in deep oil
Why doesn't the left pumps work?
>>574664332what happened
>>574656693I don't see the apeal of megabases, it's more fun to build a dispersed base connected by rail. Bonus points of you do city grid too and adapt the base to the terrain. Takes long as hell to do though.
>>574665534why do you need anywhere near 300 spm?are you playing 1000x or something?
>>574671746can you even connect multiple pipes to the same cistern?
>>574671746Because the fluid wagons are already being filled with the pumps on the right?
>>574672228yes3
>>57467201510x - I would have made it 30x, but the pre-elevator and the post-arcospehre parts would have been super annoying
>>574671746I'm glad normalfags are getting into this game, maybe we can slowly raise the collective iq by a point.
Is it 2.1 yet?>>574671746A fluid wagon only has 3 connection points and a pump will only fill an unoccupied connection point that it's adjacent to. The two pumps on the left don't have an open connection point they can reach because the two at the top are taken by the right and they're too far away from the bottom to reach it
>Blue circuits are missing red circuits>Red circuits are missing green circuits>Green circuits are missing copper cables>Copper cables are missing copperKill me now
>>574674921There is one simple solution to this bottleneck
>>574675185say no more, I'm setting up an iron mine right now
>>574637771>no idea how to manage engine flow rateOne anon created PID regulator mod for this. Check it out. I think I will try it too, just now to busy working on high quality quality modules
>>574671769Its a DLC filled mess with the fundamental mechanics as shallow as ever.Anything fancy is solely for cosmetic reasons at the direct expense of practicality.
why is clean floor NOT UPDATED TO 2.1 YET
>update 4.2>still early access
I came
Am I the only one who likes Quality?
Trying vulcanus start. It's a bit silly.
>>574681869I tweaked the Any Planet Start mod so Vulcanus rocks drop more oresOtherwise you'll spend like 3 hours hitting rocks
>>574681857I like it.
Also revolutionary new tech for single-headed trains
>>574681652Modular ramps are pretty awesome. >>574682427This was already a thing but it required an extra waypoint. Having it happen automatically will save some clicks.
>>574682427>left hand drive
>>574673352idk i never really saw the appeal of switching to space elevatorif you rush astro sci you can make rockets dirt cheap because you get like 90%+ return on the partsand to get to the elevator you already have to go through a phase of mass rocket launchesso you can teardown all of your old infrastructure and make a new kind to uhh... why exactly? it isn't even cheaper and less throughput and more problemssame with switching to spaceshipsonly really makes sense for fluids because earendel made them cancel to rocket
>>574681857I'm not even convinced _you_ like quality
I'm new to this game, but I just got robotsIs there a downside to making a fully robot-based base? I mean only using requester and provider chests with bots flying around?It seems like it's just better and easier than belts / Trains
>>574684763like the lord intended.
>>574685035yes, but it does have potential downsidesi leaned heavily on bots for fulgora and the bots are retarded and would all queue up on a single roboport to rechargei'm too lazy to find the webm but it was literally a cloud of 50k bots all humping one roboport that had 50+ roboports right next to it not being used at allthey are very easy to use up until you have problems with them, and then once you have problems it is hard to diagnose fix them
>>574681857I think it's fine. It's only relevant if you want to engage with it
if I get Captain of Industry should I also get the train DLC from the get go?
>>574688064Nah, actually try the game and only get the DLC if you feel like trains in that game need the extra content
>>574688215thanks, just the base game for now then
>>574199379I thought this was gonna be about engineering games instead of engineering games.
>>574685035it's easier to set up but it will be slower than using inserters and beltsfor small or medium bases it works fineand it's intentionaly nerfed on aquilo
>>574681869I basically did that in vanilla, I dropped down to every* planet naked and worked up to a rocket launch, pretty fun. Fulgora was the fastest, Gleba the slowest.*except Aquilo
>>574691303according to some folks logistics engineering ain't real engineering, but you know what I'd tell them?
>>574644984>so in 2.1 you can just make refueling stations that make ammo and fuel components and just have your ships resupply?Right now I'm just doing ammo, but I'm considering an asteroid collection hub that can feed stuff to my newly-built platforms to kickstart them, yeah
Its engineers all the way down
>>574684817>fluidsThis is why I wanted one when doing K2+SETransporting shit by barrels was god awful
>>574688064The DLC trains are pretty shit.
>>574684817Fluids were by far the biggest part. On the scale of 10x, trains are also kind of nice for other stuff - but on 1x where bots are blatantly overpowered, it's less important.Connecting the power networks is also kind of nice, no need to place down more nuclear reactors on nauvis now.
why is fulgora the one planet you need its shit plates for end game fml theyre so hard to make
>>574699275To "nudge" you into over processing scrap. And hey, you already have all of this garbage lying around might as well dabble a little bit with quality right? they have played us for absolute fools
so 1 foundry is 15 electric smelters? is my maths right?
>>574699275they should have added some kind of uranium plate
My data has become more and more significant.I'm still very far off of bio though, I have way too much I want to do before then.
I need so many heat pipes for Aquilo and I don't know where I should make them
>>574716963it's just copper + steel.I think you can intuit where those would be the easiest to make in bulk.
>>574717152Yeah you're rightNauvis it is!
>>574671945>city grid>bonus pointsYou want some fries with that?
Whose idea was it to put ratios like this? And to top it off they accounted for assembler speeds which is counter intuitive to me.According to my own calculations1 blue science/s = 12 assemblers2/24 -> 1/1212 assemblers requires 36 red circuits1 red circuit/s = 6 assemblers3 red circuits/s = 18 assemblers??? Whats going on here
>>574726709 1 blue/sec costs 1 / 2 blue science per craft * 3 red circuits spent per craft = 1.5 red circuits/second. 1 red circuits takes 6 crafting seconds to craft. 1.5 takes 9 crafting seconds. 9/1.25 = 7.2 assembler 2's required to produce 1.5 red/second. SANITY CHECKING 7.2/(6/1.25) = 1.5 meanwhile, your suggested formula was >1 red circuit/sec = 6 assemblers 6*1.25 = 7.5 crafting-seconds. 7.5/6 = 1.25 red circuits/second from your setup. You forgot that green assemblers don't run at a speed of 1.
>>574726709Why do you think that ratios are required to be round numbers?
Because you can't build half an assembler and accounting for crafting speed is trivial and not needed since they scale directly
>>574728197My bad, I realize you only need 1.5 red circuits. But still accounting for assembler speeds just adds complexity
I hate not having inserter throughput updatedit's such a goddamn neat modhow am I supposed to know how much a yellow and blue inserter's speed is otherwisethe buildings have the numbers but my inserters don't
>>574696906shame, is it just a way to give the devs extra money then like when you buy an OST?
>>574729147>you can't build half an assemblerjust scale upe tenfold and go for 10 blue a second so you can build 72 red chip assemblers and get a perfect ratio>>574734749the inserters have the rotation speed because it's the only fixed variable, the time it takes them to pick up and drop items depends on other things like belt speed
>>574736567I just manually updated the dependency to 2.1 and called it a day
>>574734749According to the discussion page you can just bump the version in info.json. I don't use filthy furfag inserters, but it must be pretty handy for that.
>>574736825same as clean floor yes
speaking of updatesvalerian's planets wasn't updatedthat makes me sadit was the best planet render mod
>>574736713I mean the worst thing that can happen with a mod like that is it fucking up the calculation every once in a while, and even that's unlikely since afaik the only inserter change in 2.1 is the lane flip thingy>>574737187just gotta wait for the stable release before most devs bother to update their mods
I played factorio and dropped it due to real life stuff a few months before the space dlc came outshould I try to continue my old save with the old game version or would it be better to start over with the latest version? and if I start over, do I do a run without the dlc or jump straight into it?
>>574742603forgot to mention, i had spidertron and was starting to get into nuclear power when I stopped playing
>>574742603>>574742784start over without dlc
>>574742603I never liked picking up an old save in Factorio, even in the rare cases in which I hadn't left an undecipherable mess before stopping
>>574742603Actual progress in the game isn't science or buildings, but builds and systems. When you reach a new planet, or science, you're going to look at an apparently simple system made of apparently rudimentary parts and, despite having basically 2 kinds of tools which are inserters and the things inserters take from/put in, you won't know what to do because any rule of thumb you put together from prior information won't be using the right values. You will not know how many horndoggles are worth a cobby mossle, or how quickly your fuzz will deplete relative to your ooaoooa, and so you won't be able to make a meaningful decision about the construction of your widget-generators which ultimately produce flasks of think juice.Then, someday, you'll be done, regardless of if you won or not, and then someday you'll play again.And you'll know perfectly well that you don't need to bother claiming a 3rd coal patch, and solar isn't worth it when you can OBVIOUSLY just construct a massive and expensive uranium processing facility with circuit conditions fed via the train system and maintained via requester chests. All that will be known, and the whole game will take 12 hours.So simply reset if you want. The point is to learn, and you probably did, so it will not take an equal amount of time to start from zero or to relearn and fix your old base. There's no difference.
why does rail ammo take explosives
>>574746175Either of>They're sabot rounds>They explode after penetration (lewd)
>>574749692stupid STUPID STUPID
is this how one balances 3 lanes?
>>574754180crimes
>>574754180with more splitters than that I'm afraid.
>>574754180It generally works well enough if all of your inputs are roughly equal (#1)The "proper" balancer made by people way smarter than me loops back some of its output to the input (#2)When the lanes are imbalanced, you'll have an imbalance in the output (#3) that doesn't happen with the optimal balancer (#4)
What other games are similar enough to factorio to scratch the itch but different enough to offer their own experience?
>>574755831easier to just go 3 splitters into 2 splitters into 1 splitter for me
>>574755849Shapez 2
>>574755987i.e
You guys are very resourceful
>>574757163I think I literally just copied that from another dude who did his stations and it was pretty braindead so I could just redo it by earkind of weird since it's 45 to 22-23, it'd be better 4 to 2 since it'd be the correct ratio, but it werks
if i die on aquilo, frozen and alonetell them i did it for science
I need so many things to go to space ughI think I prefer py over SEx, I prefer logistic spaghetti with a couple of buildings rather than having to scale production
I want the female pioneer to sit on my face.
>>574760334Good news - in your nauvis orbit base, you never really scale things. One machine per recipe for 90% of things will get you across the finish line.
>>574537209That's just notation, the real evil is trying to do all your math in seconds per unit
I think I just internalized that the throttle as a speed control is reversed.Throttle up makes ship go faster.More throttle makes engine go slowerNo throttle makes engine overheatMax throttle kills Bart
>>574766431full throttle!
>>574768175Full throttle is no throttle!Madness!
Getting stuff off the sushi belt:Step 1: get what you want off the outer beltStep 2: shuffle the content of all the beltsStep 3: (see step 1)After every loop each item will have a 1:6 chance of ending up on the outer belt, so mathematically speaking everything you're looking for will *eventually* get pulled off the sushi.
>>574755849Building bases in rust
>>574755849Commander of Manufacturing.Dennis Sphincter Program.
>>574770410The automation stuff they've added over the years is pretty useful.
>>574754180>>574755831>>574756272>Still using balancers in the year of our lord 2026
>>574769884Surely you are aware sushi selectors exist right?
I've come to realize that spaghetti and maximizing screen density is so much fun.
>Constantly freaking out about "wasting time" to the point it sours my ability to engage with the current gameI don't know where this brainrot came from
>>574775480I'm another anon, a more retarded one, please explain
>>574775628>spaghetti and maximizing screen density is so much fun.This is the abomination that I came up with when I wanted some rockets to jump-start my Aquilo ship's first tripStealing coal from a local smelting column, a random Sulfur plant in the middle of nowhere for explosives, and iron coming from like 5 smelting columns awayIt is so much more fun than a main bus
>>574776658video games can be a significant time sink, but as long as you don't spend all day on them you shouldn't feel bad about it. And playing something like Factorio is surely better for your brain than zoning out while watching netflix or doomscrolling
>>574772450I was thinking more about making layout to maximize cost to raid and internal peeks, as well as the location on the map to build on. Autism of the geometric and geography kind. Automation and electronics has been helpful too if the set up is simple and input is somewhat constant. Outside of smelting furnance, most crafting is still by hand because of the quantity is too low and item keeps changing to justify overheads. Maybe if one set up a shop that buys raw input and sells output at very low profit that there will be a server wide market 24hr, but it would be hard for multiple ingredients receipe to not lag on the last ingredient.
>Changed platform requests importing from platforms to allow providing the item to cargo landing pads.whuh, you'd think that would be there from the get go
>>574777663embrace the spaghetti
>>574776667There's a much better way to do it that ensures items are filtered instantly 99% of the time, although it's more resource intensive, should be trivial to figure out.
How does a pirate play 2.1?
>>574782797With devilish pleasure.
>>574782797very vatnikly.
>>574776658I don't know if you're a neet but this is pretty much how i felt when i was one, basically you've completely confused achieving things in game with actual entertainment, i know this reads like ancient anti-gaming propaganda but its very much realSo dudebros and normies play the most basic games on Earth and have fun, why that is exactly i'm still not sure but from my own experience as a reformed neet i've realized that if you use your time in valuable and varied activities, when you go to entertain yourself you really don't care what it is that you're doing (and how fast) as long as you believe it's entertaiment. You also have a lot more motivation to play games in general, there's that one jap developer that said, if you engage with nothing but games, you lose the ability to enjoy them.I know this because i was exactly like you in a different way, i was obsessed with getting things "right" and "smooth" because i was a perfectionist, but also was worried about not wasting too much time, ironically this lead me to restart my very first solo Spage factory 12 fucking times, after an average length of 40 fucking hours where i barely left nauvis. Whenever i realized i was taking ages to do things i'd feel bad and decide that i wanted to do it better and faster the next time.
>>574777794>>574784297No, when I say "wasting time" I'm talking about number go up in my save file and not being "far enough" into the game. This save I decided to rejigger my entire base to use trains even before I had a mall set up. I like it but it's taken so long to get going.
>>574786486>No, when I say "wasting time" I'm talking about number go up in my save file and not being "far enough" into the game.If you feel anxious about it it's the same thing, when i'm on my routine i don't care about how i spend my time in video games anymore, i barely care about what i did inside the game, if i take 40 hours to finish a run in a month or 200 in six months is the same thing to me.
>>574784297Uncle Ted talked about this
750 posts
>>574782797In cyrillic.
science packs in 2.1 now work like coalbeing consumed instantly and used up over time like fuelno more half spent science packs moved back and forththis will help with gleba science too
>>574796372Tat was a good one. Take my upvote sir.
>>574798060It makes unloading huge amounts of science from a hub much more performant too, since science being like ammo was bad for seeking through large inventories.
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