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gerson saying that susie is the dragon from dragon blazers sounds like an ill omen.dragons in RPGs are usually slain because they are inspired by european myths and storywriting.
sex
>>574659297too bad, sex with kris is inevitable
>>574659242Agreed
noelle will become a BIG SHOT and i am cheering her on because i love her
>Noelle cucks Berdly>Noelle cucks Kris>Noelle cucks Susie>Noelle cucks (YOU)Well anon, have you apologized to your loyal partner yet?
>>574659210Hooman!
>>574659258>that Kris isn't fully KrisFor one, she doesn't know that it's because of us. For two, Kris is already "different" because they have the power to save and this has all happened at least once before. Kris "changed" because they're the only person who directly has the power to "shift tracks" on their own
Scarmiliogne - Dess (she is a rotting corpse)Cagnazzo - Kris (Kris drowned)Barbariccia - Noelle (she is hot)Rubicante - Asriel (he is hot)DANK gang
You people are too woke to admit Noelle is evil. Spamton got raped and gaped way harder than Noelle and he is unjustifiable evil because he is misogynist. Noelle had a two bad days and goes full schizo and she isn't evil because woman raped or something..
>>574659373But dragons in RPGs are cool and have super mega nuclear death breath attacks
>>574659430>noelle cucks susiei will eat my fucking weird route save if that happens.bitch this ain't happening.
>meanwhile in side B
I like Chapter 5, the weird route, Suselle, Kriselle, Krusie, and Kralsei. All at the same time. I am the most unique poster in the thread.
>>574659430(you)elle won unbelievably hard. so much so anons have to spam why Noelle actually doesn't want to do the weird route despite chapter 5 saying she wants to do it. chara is always with (you) as per the genocide ending so it's not cheating.
I love happiness!
>>574659583Noelle literally cucks Susie whenever (YOU) exist and immediately jumps back to her lap if (YOU) stop being in the same room. If Kris had awakened earlier, Noelle would have spent the festival with (YOU).
>>574659549Based ff4 anon
>>574659602HOW ORIGINAL
>>574659602I also like all these things
>>574659317In case we have any magic nerds here, decided to indulge a bad idea and made a two-faced Noelle card. These are designed for commander, should be good but hopefully not Vivi levels of bullshit? Remember to talk with your playgroup before whipping em out.>Links to them (too big too post or catbox)https://litter.catbox.moe/mxzhq2.png (front face)https://litter.catbox.moe/5zwqx9.png (back face)
what i really want to know is why kris is so against noelle doing the weird route and why he seems to dislike her. he won’t pray for her. it could be cool if he suspects we’ll ditch him for her and he’s jealous or resentful there are also the hints that noelle bullied or otherwise made a habit of looking down on kris (as early as chapters 1/2), so…
>>574659602But... I do too...
>>574659602Based liker
>>574635719If you’re going to say stupid shit like this in response to trolls at least clarify you’re not the anon they’re talking about goddamn
>>574659654You sure you won? 5 chapters, Noelle still didn't address (YOU) exist, had goodbye sex with Susie before settling down with.(YOU), and then handholded Kris to even make a rape joke on him. Yeah, you sure won champ.Enjoy your sloppy seconds.
>>574659557Who are you talking to? Nobody here said any of these things. This is also the spamton fucker general so it's decidedly not a place where people would call him evil unless it turned them on.
Hey guys!
>>574659802I think Noelle is Kris' trauma trigger because of something that happened between them long ago. May not necessarily be malice on her part, but it's something they went through together that was horrible and Noelle probably repressed it while Kris never forgot.
>>574659846he looks like he breeds overconfident fem anons
https://youtu.be/km2rtUlN8Hwhave you guys heard this fucking 20 minute long chapter 7 ust? I am in awe at how inspired one has to be to make thispic unrelated it just goes hard
>>574659720that ain't true, she picks susie over you or kris.like at all times unless you weird route.
>>574659496I'm talking about stuff like her reaction to Kris Tea and this>And Kris, even though they kept looking at me...>Like they wanted to say something...>Everything that came out of their mouth, sounded... odd.>Like it was like on speaker or something.>Sounds like normal Kris to me.>Well... It wasn't. Something was weird.That's not "Kris is acting different," that's "you are acting through Kris and Noelle can tell even if she can't pin down what's actually happening."
I'm pretty sure the final prophecy is more serious than "the grand fountian gets closed". I think the most likely scenario is that Kris dies because their only SOUL is a device for the player to remote control. Once the prophecy ends, the angel(we) are banished and Kris becomes a corpse again. Dess on the other hand has a SOUL but no body. It's highly likely that Dess can be saved if we find her in the code but she'll be another napstabuddy ghost which is better than nothing. Kris straight up has no "real" soul, they're already dead. Susie might know this already.
>>574659557i know you're from /v/ because you think anyone here even pretends to say spamton is more evil than noelle, he is the ultimate victim both here and on xitter
>>574659557Also funny how Noelle literally never gave two fucks about Berdly and Catti
NOELLE IS EVIL AND THAT IS GOOD! SHE IS GETTING STRONGER! HEIL NOELLE!
>>574659928hey
>>574659957and maleanons
>>574660070If this were the case, Ralsei would probably be praying more intensely for Kris than he was for Susie.
>>574659903>>574660073ok my bad
>>574659992No shit you retard of course I'm talking about the Weird Route. Plebbit is down the hall
>>574658805No one posts Suselle here. The people you're arguing with here are Spamtenna fujos and gotefags, and they're arguing not because they like Suselle that much but because they dislike (You).
>>574659846>Ralsei singing Rollin' by Limp Bizkit in his soft gentle voiceNeed
Dess touched me
>>574659992blud forgot to vote for kris and noelle at the festival
>>574660253>you influence someone>the out come changeswow, its almost like you are sentient or something.
welcome to /utg/ and /v/ where we accuse 10 year olds and teenagers of being secretly evil the entire timewhy? umm because we want more nuance...from having an irredeemably evil demon baby
>>574659892oh you foolish little anon. >noelle gave susie a pity date because she knows that susie is stuck on her NPC path>Kris has fully checked out by this point and is fully in meat shit mode. all the parts of the new kris she's frothing in the loins for is (you) yeah. I won
idk guys being evil sounds kinda fun.. you get to do what you want... and kill whoever you please.... why is being evil bad?
>>574660440Lancer...
>>574660178Get a chance!
>>574660178this creature and kris are the player's rival for story agency
>>574660213Kris is already fucking dead, Ralsei probably knew from the very beginning and stopped believing from minute 1. That's why Ralsei mostly saw Kris as an extension of the player for half the game.
>>574659565Susie also has those attacks but that's just cause she doesn't brush her teeth
>>574660292can confirm, i always argue in favor of suselle here despite finding the ship boring, because drooling retards who chirp KEK KEK! every post they make annoy me more than the most discourse poisoned mentally ill teenage suselle shipper ever createdno one even posts suselle fanart, and 0 people draw it, hell there's been more suselle genderbend anon art than organic posting because of noelfags
Sex with virgin husbands...
Noelle isn’t evil because Catti actually deserved it all for being a gagshit character
Catti - gag shit character who thinks she will get the Berdly blowjob treatment
>gagshitThat word... Oh that word posted on that board...
>>574660412The third one doesn't make sense because you're forcing Kris to do it
Spamton isn't evil because I love him very much and the power of my heart warms his own and gives him hope throughout every universe
>>574659802>"why is Kris so against doing the route where they enter a suicide pact with Noelle?"it is a mystery>>574660057>That's not "Kris is acting different,"It is, by definition, Kris acting different. Other characters around hometown also mention how Kris is acting different lately and it's likely a combination of kris's save/load fatigue and our involvement. Susie doesn't notice because she hasn't been around as long as other major characters, Ralsei likely understands who and what we are and sans is also allegedly new in town and also probably knows what's going on
whos the next one to get kidnappedmoney on noelle and kris getting snatched next which is why side B skips chapter 6 since we probably fell into the bunker when we crossed the river
"Above all, a living thing wants to discharge its strength — life itself is will to power" - Noelle Holliday
>>574659210
>>574660789i mean, they probably still want toriel...
>>574660376/utg/'s version of Deltarune would have every single character being at each other's throats for petty shit by Ch4 screeching about how horny they are, then the Roaring happens and text pops up on screen saying "Congratulations player, you are the goodest of boys"
I just saw Dess and my brother going to prom together... fuck I am such an unlikable chud...
>>574660070All three of them will be used up because they're the three key pieces needed to release everyone from their prison
>>574660412Toby WILL cuck you in chapter 7.
>>574660789Aren't all kidnap targets Lightners who got sapped by Flowey in Undertaleso logically the next to get snatched is Papyrus. Obviously. Which means Bone bros house dark world.
God I wish I were Kris
/utg/'s version of Deltarune would have me rubbing Spamton's belly, butt and nipples while he makes strange noises of pleasure and delightment and splays his chunky thighs on my lap
>Chapter 1>The March of the Dark King.>The Heroes defeat the king and stop the dragon.>Chapter 2>The City of the Shining.>The heroes do battle in chariots to save the Queen.>Chapter 3>The Isles of Northernlight.>The Heroes travel among the islands and catch a glimpse of a lost land.>Chapter 4>The Trials of the Holy Hammer.>A great smith gives the heroes a terrible weapon.>Chapter 5>The Field of Pink and Gold.>The vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy.>. . . What happens next? Geheheh! Who knows?>There was only one more chapter. . . After that.>It all stopped.what a coincidence that it happens when we try to make noelle a party member, the whole story starts to fall apart.
>>574660975Thats what ive been saying.Its wither gonna be toriel again alphys or papyrus idk if sans is an option
https://poal.me/whf5mqhttps://poal.me/whf5mqhttps://poal.me/whf5mq
"It's-a-me! Mario!" -Kris Dreemurr
>getting a warning for posting in a video game thread on a video game boardThank you /v/ janny…very cool…
I LOVE METTATON
>>574660950jokes on you he already has by making chapter 6b only doable by "aborting" the weird route
>>574661154go back
>>574661254But…that said generals belong on /vg/….
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You could never convince me back in 2018 that I'd be lusting over the cheery backround NPC looking deer with the weird long face
>>574661154as we all know anon /v/ is not the place to discuss a video game that has an active and invested community. it's for softcore porn and xitter threads and whatever political stuff is usually on /pol/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc9iC1Y5rpsOur time has come!For flowers to be the heroes!Feel it!Smell it!The power of flowers!
>>574661371and i knew in 2021 that i would hate noelle hard enough to weird route her into insanity and drown her.
>>574661360kiss
What is the point krusielle triangle? Kris and Susie ferris wheel is wanted by Ralsei, Kris and Noelle ferris wheel can happen if you vote yourselves for king and queen. Maybe kris status is in between third wheel and part of the throuple but idk.
>>574661371Back in 2018 there were lots of people who would scream at you red-faced that she wouldn't be relevant at all
>>574661516Toby self inserts as Noelle with Susie but doesn't dare to come out of the trans closet so he makes himself Kris too as the third wheel
>>574661403>all that for 0 damage
>>574661561We would be living in a better timeline if these people were right
>>574660769The speaker voice is clearly not just acting different, it's a tangible thing that persists even when Kris is knocked out in battle or not even physically present (like the close your eyes and think of Susie scene in chapter 1.) The voice is an entirely separate thing from Kris' own behavior and Noelle can tell which is why she says that Kris stopped being Kris. Just because she doesn't immediately jump to the conclusion that Kris is possessed by an entity from a higher plane of existence doesn't mean she can't tell the difference between the player and Kris, even the current version of Kris with their "mumbly, shaky" voice.
got warned for simply posting about video games in someone else's video game thread again award
>Characters that were playable in combat during Ch 1 ship status-Child being held above the water by parent = KrusieKris and Susie have by far the most 1 on 1 bonding moments, while Susie hasn't displayed direct romantic interest in Kris, she likes him as much as she likes Noelle. Keep in mind Noelle proactively approaches Susie, Kris doesn't try and doesn't give (you) enough opportunities to be as direct as Noelle.Kris also doesn't show direct romantic intrest in Susie, but he is jealous enough to watch Noelle and Susie fuck in the lake as opposed to anything else including...-Child treading water and crying = Kralsei...hang out with Ralsei. Kris, by defualt, merely tolerates Ralsei. On the other hand, Ralsei shows the clearest romantic interest out of any of the $*#* fan gang, and through (you)r actions Kris can begin to warn up to Kris.-Skeleton at the bottom of the pool = RalsusieGoing for it we have the knowledge that Ralsei and Susie definitely care for each-other and if we consult the *objective opinion chart* (avaliable down at Cyber City get yours today) Susie likes Ralsei as much as she likes Noelle and Ralsei apparently likes Susie as much as he likes Kris, I guess...???There is nothing hard going against this ship but by chapter 1 it was already less than a tenth as popular as Krusie (and just over an eigth as popular as Kralsei) then in chapter 2 two other lightners showed up trying to fuck Susie and it was joever, bidun, the relationship tag most commonly in stories tagged Ralsei and/or Kris is Suselle, and Berdsie is closer to Ralsusie than Ralsusie is to Krusie
>>574661089>The vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy.didn't fucking happengerson is a hack
>>574659796Pretty cool, a group hug commander that can flip into a voltron commander at any time seems like fun. If you don't mind some nitpicking, the first side seems a little bit underpowered. I'd make it so her first ability triggers on attack as well as etb so that she can trigger her second ability more than once without other cards. I'd also extend the stun counter theme to the back half, to tie the two halves together and make it so any stun cards you play to trigger the first half aren't dead when you flip to the back half. Maybe something like "creatures with stun counters on them can't be untapped"?
>>574659602>I like... KriselleRetard
>>574661696>[Kris is Genocide Chara and will kill everyone in Chapter 2] out of nowhere
>>574661869no, gerson just wrote a lame part of the prophecy cooler
>>574661869You also never saved the Queen in chapter 2. Gerson is a senile retard full of shit
>>574661089>chapter 2didn't happen>chapter 4 didn't happen>chapter 5didn't happenfuck you, gerson
>>574661869That was about Pink's Bomberman attacks
>>574662104ch2 did happen... sort of.ch4 absolutely happened.ch5 happened
so darkners cant do shit to lightners because no amount of darkness will make a flower get up and punch you and only lightners can hurt lightners in dark worlds because no amount of darkness can protect you from getting punched in the jaw by someonebut what if an object that can fuck you up like a robot were turned into a darkner would it have access to the dark world cheat codes while still maintaining a physical presence in the darkness
>>574661774ralsusie crumbs in chapter 5>ralsei: i chu chu choose you susie!>ralsei brushed susie's hair>ralsei and susie talk a lot in the dark world without kris (about kris...)>ralsei prayed for susie (and "them")
>>574660789Carol and no one's gonna understand anything
Why aren’t there more theories about Gerson being a senile trickster misleading you
>>574660769it’s not a suicide pact retard
>>574661948would have been kino if this actually happened
>>574662262don't forget Ralsei and Susie having their first kiss together off screen to practice for Noelle
>>574662479that happened in chapter 3 you larperino
>>574662386Because people have enough sneed literacy to see that is not what Toby intended even if Gerson's propheries are kinda hamfisted
>>574662370I understand perfectly
>>574662386not every character needs to be an evil trickster
>>574662262i hate how toby gives us potential kino with two o the cutest cutie-patooties but chose to put the most obnoxious gay couple and make it canon.its just not fair.
i wish mew mew doki'd me...
>>574662370>carol - ever since dess's disappearance and everything falling apart i've been obsessed with fixing it all. noelle you can date susie. and Kris our plan to- bam gets snatched by the knight this is the lamest thing that could happen so it probably will.
>>574661726>it's a tangible thing that persists even when Kris is knocked out in battle or not even physically presentYes Kris has some kind of power to speak telepathically because of their soul, acting is their power not ours.>The voice is an entirely separate thing from Kris' own behaviorYes and Noelle will say on the weird route that it's the first time she heard the "real Kris" "in a really long time" and hearing it makes her emotional enough that it moves her to tears. This means that whatever "changed" in Kris changed long enough ago that it probably predates our involvement. People around town have noticed Kris acting differently "lately" and it almost certainly started before our first day of adventures>which is why she says that Kris stopped being KrisThis is not about being "possessed" it's about "getting off your track" which Kris can do because they have save/load powers, not because we are in control of them. Kris has already done the weird route without us and at least two other timelines, probably countless more. Noelle doesn't "know she's in a game" or that Kris is controlled by an outside force, she is suffering a mental breakdown because her childhood best friend made her kill her classmate and then tried to kill herself to "break the boundaries"
you put the average deltarune fan in a room and force them to play violent video games they will cry as if they've killed real people
>>574662393Right of course because two depressed teenagers joining hands and walking into a lake until they sink into the water is NOT suicidal behavior and doing so because you're convinced your reality isn't real and you can "break the boundaries" because you're "not an NPC" is totally rational, normal behavior
no i wont i did the gazan genocide route irl
>>574662262Ralsusie is effectively canon in the weird route by process of elimination
you put the average deltarune fan in a room and force them to suck your cock they will cry as if you raped them
>>574662870It's rational in deltarune, irl common sense is not deltarune common sense
>>574662870in the context of a game where noelle is starting to understand reality isn’t real then yeah it’s very valid. me and you know hometown isn’t real
>>574662724This is false because I clamor for a game with a realistic disfigurement system instead of just>enemies spill a lot of le blood if you hit them! wow so gory!Let me make them quadriplegics and then just walk away leaving them to die in agony
>>574662927susie will be imprisoned after 2 people last seen with her disappear
>>574662724Just because I don't want to mindbreak the doe for "fun" doesn't mean I won't play the dark brotherhood quest in Skyrim JUST so I can marry the crazy poisoner bitch every time or sell Arcade into slavery and kill Caesar anyway mmkay?
>>574662926if the gaza and israel conflict was a video game i would play both sides and have fun
I hate that no matter where I go, I will encounter people who do not understand metaphors or allegories. Every single word they read is a command, 100% factual, and has no room for interpretation. Gerson spoke of a field charred with jealousy? Well there was no field on fire and no one said the word jealous therefore it's incorrect. Ignoring his entire speech before and after his fight about not needing to follow the prophecy like a rulebook. And ignoring that he was talking about his own fucking book. Everyone who is this autistic are like robots. They're not even people. How do you even cope with playing a game if you're this retarded?
I won.
Master Flowery’s AfiniHug…Master Flowery’s HoneyKiss…
>>574659242I had sex once, now I'm used goods
The face of a woman who liked it
>>574663279im sorry
>>574663279The funny part is that Flowery literally did talk about Ralsei’s jealousy, though. Like, he literally dropped the keyword.
>>574659373> end of prophecy susie has to DIE or else the whole world diesis this why susie got distracted by the festival that she forgot to sneak into the holiday manor? she's trying to live the remaining life she got before she fuckin dies
>>574659292Xitter tourists invaded. That's why.
>>574663534I'm 27 years old and a virgin.
>>574662254Maybe a wired robot like one on strings (cables) could, it's unclear if the garbage noise would interfere with wireless/remote signalling and control in a Dark World. You'd need a special DEVICE
>>574662724violent video games where you click one button and the enemy explodes into a fountain of gore is one thing, but downloading violence/crime/amputee/sex mods for the sims and crafting families to have the father murder his kids and dismember his wife and feed her dinners made of her arms is another
>>574663279what is the metaphor, thenwhat got metaphorically "charred" by jealousy in chapter 5tell me
>>574663534fucking whore
>>574663279>And ignoring that he was talking about his own fucking book.The only reason he's bringing up the book is that it allegedly has something to do with the story.>They're not even people. How do you even cope with playing a game if you're this retarded?Whenever you feel like saying this, remember that there's a rocket engineer somewhere that would say the same about you not being able to recall basic school level physics formulae that are like second nature to him because he had to apply them much more than you do. Just because someone lacks a specific skill they have no practical use for doesn't make them inferior to you.
>>574663769It’s referring to the flames of jealousy running rampant throughout the whole Chapter, and also to Ralsei’s fire magic.
Make a poal where we put age sex and if we are virgin
>>574663151>>574663182The world is not a game in its own context. Noelle is not anymore "enlightened" or correct than Flowey was, she is suffering from sociopathic mania. The universes of Undertale and Deltarune are not any less "real" in their own contexts because functions of the world behave "like a video game" What exactly is the throughline from "being forced to kill your weird friend" to "okay hold I know how to get out of town we just need to drown ourselves real quick" anyway? How could Noelle have reasonably come to that conclusion? >we both know hometown isn't real True enough, we both know that deltarune is a video game. A video game in a series about treating the story and world with integrity and treat it as real as it treats itself. Even if the story takes the (very likely) angle that this hometown is a simulation of some kind that still probably won't mean the people in it are not real (even if they aren't the "originals") and Noelle still has no reasonable way of knowing drowning in the lake will "work" (it won't anyway, weird route chapter 7 is going to be a long cutscene of Kris and Noelle dying) and turning into the knight
What if Kris gets confirmed as female? Kralsei and Kerdly become more popular?
>>574662712>Yes Kris has some kind of power to speak telepathically because of their soul, acting is their power not ours.I'm obviously not talking about ACTs, Kris can't even ACT when they're knocked out. It's about commands. Your party can always hear your commands even when Kris isn't physically able to give them. Kris doesn't have psychic powers. You have the ability to command the party because that's YOUR role, not Kris's.>This means that whatever "changed" in Kris changed long enough ago that it probably predates our involvement. Okay, so it just randomly unchanged when Kris removed the SOUL because...? And the voice immediately changed back when we forced our way back in because...? These are just random, unrelated coincidences that have no significance?>Noelle doesn't "know she's in a game" or that Kris is controlled by an outside forceIf you read my post, you would see that I said Noelle doesn't conceptualize it as Kris being controlled by an outside force. She sees it as Kris changing, and the changes she sees in Kris, like their voice and their behavior, not just the weird route but things like making Kris visit Rudy in the hospital, are things that Kris does because they are being controlled by an outside force. She doesn't understand what she perceives, but she perceives it. And yes, she is also having a mental breakdown in the weird route specifically, but she notices Kris is different in the normal route too.
>>574663754>crafting families to have the father murder his kids and dismember his wife and feed her dinners made of her arms is anotherI'm pretty sure you can't do that unfortunately
>>574663581but why the fuck would the fake goat getting baited by a gay flower be important enough to warrant the whole chapter be on itatleast with the northern isles for 3 tenna was deliberately hiding that shit and it plays part in the secrets for chapter 3 while ralsei getting pissed at a flower is borderline meaningless fluff especially since ralsei got proven right and flowery died like a retard
I was thinking about that scene where susie temporally leaves to get help before kris finds the code in chapter 5. I was closing my eyes very hard to think about what susie was actually doing.
>>574663625>is this why susie got distracted by the festival that she forgot to sneak into the holiday manor?>forgot to sneak into>forgotDidn't play the game, I see. The Holiday front lawn was being used for the King and Queen ceremony. There is no sneaking in until it's done. Susie stopped to get flowers so she could give them to Noelle at her house. Susie is the one talking about the shelter codes and the plan to enter Noelle's house. From my memory, it sure as fuck wasn't Susie who opened a fountain this chapter.
>>574663891Kralsei with femkris is based
>>574663924Because this leads into Ralsei's plot importance in chapter 6 (and his solo boss fight with FRIEND)
>>574663861>(it won't anyway, weird route chapter 7 is going to be a long cutscene of Kris and Noelle dying)Ok you are a shitposter. End of conversion
>>574663836the phrase overall still implies that something was destroyed, or ruined, or otherwise heavily and/or irreversably damaged through actions motivated by jealousyno such thing happened in chapter 5
Catti using Jockington as a litter picker because she's too obese to pick things off the ground
>>574663915extreme violence mod and corpse experiments allows you to cook human flesh meals and feed them to people
>>574663904>Your party can always hear your commands even when Kris isn't physically able to give themKris has the soul, not us. Kris has the leader role, not us. We control Kris but their powers are their own and we don't have a reason to believe otherwise. Kris has done all of this many times without us>And the voice immediately changed back when we forced our way back in because...?Because we're forcing them to act on their intrusive thoughts again and this probably isn't their "original" soul anyway >but she notices Kris is different in the normal route too.Yes and so do many other characters. Kris has been acting different for a long time is my point, and other characters around hometown notice
>>574664202Fuck that's a great idea for drawing
>>574664142Gerson’s novels are not 1:1 with the prophecy.
>>574663206Not a problem. Conventional prisons would be ineffective against somebody who can open dark worlds.
>>574659317
>>574664095What exactly is the shit post here? I'm being 100% serious, the end of the weird is going to be absolutely fucking miserable and you're deluding yourself if you think otherwise >>574664142>"words only have a literal and physical meaning and never ever ever mean anything else"Right because the renowned writer character wouldnt use words figuratively or metaphorically for dramatic flare right?
>>574663625>>574664382>Susie is the Dragon of Dragon Blazers>Dragonblazers is an Old-School JRPG>Dragons are slain in the end.holy funk.this is the final tragedy, isn't it?
i like killing people in video games
>Get into the chair, Kris, or everyone will die
>>574663861holy retardation
>>574664505lmao
>>574664202>>574664319>"We Do What, the other can n't!"
Nearly every picture I've seen of Kris and Noelle kissing leaves room for Monster Jesus and I think that's great
>>574664689I accept your concession
>>574661908>Front side underpoweredI was afraid more of the back side being underpowered despite the high ceiling, especially since the front side at first didn't have a once-each turn clause/group hug aspect at first (so the backside would never be used because just stunning a player would draw you 5-6 cards). Tinkering some more, and looking at other stun cards, decided to go with ETB/Attack. Part of me wanted to go with a tap ability but I did want to keep the cards somewhat streamlined for text and there's merit in forcing players to grow a pair.>Back sideOkay just realized syntax error, the idea was you'd draw cards equal to the types of counters on her (note with Flying/Vigilance/Bond/+1/+1 that is four on her own, assuming you can protect her). Not on the creature you killed, letting her be part voltron/part control (I like Eskhi Dragonclaw + Rebound). But having it where stun counters can't be removed would be a nice thing to add onto the back for cohesion.Also got them in jpg so they can be posted (catbox says no, no clue why).
Are people actually sleeping on the thematic implications of people stabbing the planet while screaming in their heads they want to go somewhere else to create Darkworlds and what Toby is saying by having that be a positive thing for Susie and Kris? Are people so normiepilled that they can't parse he's saying something actually interesting with that?I'm not saying the Weird Routei s the good ending or some retarded shit like that, but Toby Fox is saying something about how much reality sucks with this game. The payoff of Deltarune is not going to be that being a normie with good friends is the path to happiness. The world is bleak. We can't all escape it without destroying it
Somebody asked for this!So, here it is!If your ideal answer isn’t listed, sorry!https://strawpoll.com/w4nWWxOodnAhttps://strawpoll.com/w4nWWxOodnAhttps://strawpoll.com/w4nWWxOodnA
>>574664382still, toby dropped that line as one of the most obvious hints available for what might happen in chapter 5 and is likely a factor for why many were disappointed at how little happened in it>>574664514you assume i meant something physical and not character relationships or anything else like thatdid you even try to take what i said non-literally or did you just jump to the least charitable interpretation
>>574664505splendid.
Does Susie have what it takes to be a boss in a future chapter?
>>574663861Anon I get where you're coming from but in Chapter 5 Flowery starts a battle with the Knight by exploiting videogame mechanics. It's a videogame diegetically and you have to accept that. Toby wants you to care about it anyway, not in denial of the fact
Is Berdly the only kissless virgin in Hometown?
>>574665069Only on WR
>>574664505i laughed but you gotta stop giving shitposters attention
>>574665016i've had sex with one person whom i'm currently in a relationship witham i a whore
>>574664554the subversion is that you like the dragon and don't want to kill it. hahaha. no. i will not feel bad about killing the greedy dragon
>>574665120Kris doesn't count his molestation so he considers himself one
>>574664929
When did these threads pick up a vengeful anon that's mad that Noelle is literally right about everything?
>>574664976this sounds cool but i wonder. what could toby fox possibly find wrong with reality, unless he was making up issues for himself. or is he really that empathetic?
>>574665156Jokes? In my /utg/?
>>574665164I spit on you.
>>574665142if normal route is anything to go by it could be part of the carol's planTM do that
>>574665142It is interesting she was trained by Gerson, who just like Sans has the ability to dodge every attack thrown at him...
>>574665069when it all comes crashing down and everything she has is revealed to be a lie, she won't care what happens to anything anymoreshe won't fight kris, she'll just open 10 fountains and start the roaring right therethe piano was foreshadowing
Even if we are the same anons discussing the same things over and over, I stil enjoy it.And yes you all are still wrong.
>>574665264because noelle is a poor uwu baby who doesn't like the weird route. even though she says she wants to go where no one else has been before during the 5b lake scene
>>574664275>Kris has the soul, not us.We are literally playing as the SOUL.>We control Kris but their powers are their own and we don't have a reason to believe otherwise.We can still hear Noelle and Susie's thoughts during the vent section, thus the weird connection between the SOUL and the party members persists when we are separated from Kris. We can also issue commands and fight when Kris is knocked out and unable to do anything. These are the abilities of the player-SOUL, not Kris.>Because we're forcing them to act on their intrusive thoughts again and this probably isn't their "original" soul anyway This doesn't actually answer the question of why the weird, not-Kris voice Noelle hears is connected to the presence or absence of the player-SOUL inside Kris if it's supposedly just Kris themself acting differently and totally unrelated to the player-SOUL.>Kris has been acting different for a long timeThis isn't true, characters only say they've been acting off "recently" or "lately" after chapter 1. In chapter 1, they comment specifically on player-selected behaviors like visiting Rudy at the hospital, trying to converse with Noelle or Toriel more than Kris normally would, etc.
>>574665016>Condomery>Try my Flavor!
>>574664505Now this is a fipis pipis
>>574664554The sacrifice might be the adventures themselves, and the game is RESET to the first day with the dark world removed and the people involved having only faint memories of what happened (excluding Kris). Noelle’s blog about Susie bullying Kris might take place after this reset and what Kris said to Susie was “Lancer” which would absolutely fuck her up in this case.The Last Prophecy saying “everything gets RESET, worlds are separated forever, nothing you did mattered, tldr eat shit Susie” would make a lot of sense.
>>574663182NTA but I recall Queen says that "Noelle Has Awakened Too Much" if you're still on the Weird Route in Chapter 2.
>>574664976Ok let's all indulge in escapism and watch the world die
>>574664025ralsei infesting kris with satyr children
>>574664976>The payoff of Deltarune is not going to be that being a normie with good friends is the path to happiness.Yes it is because Toby is a normie with good friends who is happy. The only acknowledgement that the world just sucks for some people will be a throwaway line about how there's a lot of ERAMs in the outside world.
>>574665662I mean that's what this general told me last time I said I was concerned about declining birth rates. I wasn't even telling people to have kids but something about this topic is really upsetting to them.
>>574665268>Is the Undertale guy really that empathetic>The "Don't forget I'm with you in the dark" guyEverybody you meet is living a tragedy at different speeds. Your pets will die, then your parents, then your friends and your loves. The next generation only serves to mourn the last. Have fun while it lasts but don't forget where you are, and stop treating people like shit. Everyone's lives will suck eventually
>Sword magician >Hyper goner attack >In league with Kris How much more obvious does Toby need to make it that Asriel is the Knight?
>>574665356the people that are most wrong are the people that thought kris was sad at the very end after susie closes the closet door because he's watching himself get sidelined in real timeno, he was sad because susie's making plans and setting up a welcome party and getting excited for noelle joining the fuck gang all the while still not knowing that rudy fell on his ass and is probably dyingshe will be in for a bad time come tomorrow morning and it's all kris' fault for withholding information for the sake of the promise or whatever, that's why he's sadand i'm stupid for not noticing this myself immediately
>>574665852>I mean that's what this general told me last time I said I was concerned about declining birth rates.Let us buy houses and make raising kids affordable then
>indulging in escapism and watching the world die
>>574665264Because anything that disrupts the fluffy power of shipbait agenda is antithetical to the Deltarune we've been playing the last 8 years or something. The player is only and exclusively the villain, yes even for saving the world. And Chara made me do it.
I have the feeling that Chara and Noelle could have easily be fixed with a simple slap in the face from a real man, they are used to human men and monster men to be all fucking faggots topped by their wives or boyfriends. All of this could have easily be fixed with a strong father figure.
>>574665264It's the Kriselle time loop anon who thinks there's nothing metafictional in Undertale or Deltarune
>>574666140Abuse is what made them what they are. Fuck you, honestly.
>>574665264the fuck does matome meanfucking weebshit toby
>>574665016>bunch of virgins in their 20s all in the same placeeasy solution to this problem
>>574666212Compilation or collection. Site is 20 years old, you should know basic Japanese by now.
I dont like gasters expriment
>>574666228You got the Go Into Games Program all ready for our toasters?
>genocide route is the most interesting part of undertale>its underbaked padded out with tedious grind that has you sitting in a corner moving up and down for an hour has an incomplete boss fight and a joke final boss >weird route is the most interesting part of deltarune >its underbaked literally skips an entire chapter wont change the ending and changes nothing for a good third of the gamewhy is the dog like thisalso funny how the human souls are completely skipped over in genocide the same way the flowers are completely skipped over in the weird route
>>574666228Sorry, I'm saving myself for Kris after they escape deltarune.exe and become a real human being in the live action FMV cutscene Toby dreamed about
>>574665264it's because admitting that Noelle was right means admitting that everyone in Hometown, Susie + Holidays + Dreemurrs included, are just clueless dumbfuck NPCs shackled to a path
I am a superior male specimen because I don't say any slurs. I am not like other Floradinns in this dark, overgrown corner of the garden
>the weird route is about rape/ free will/ bullshitLame.>toby really liked creepypastas when he were 15True
>>574666140How much did your father/big brother/other kids beat you as a kid?
>>574665028>did you even try to take what i said non-literally or did you just jump to the least charitable interpretation>"no u"Ralsei has a whole mini breakdown where he drops the sweet and innocent facade anon, he lays his fears and anxieties bare because of the anger flowery makes him feel. Things don't have to break apart irreparably, "charred" is not "burned to ash" it's "blackened." >>574665110>Toby wants you to care about it anyway, not in denial of the factYes obviously, ty for restating what I said. Toby has also said there's a world outside the playable boundaries and that the world behaving like a video game doesn't make it a video game in its own context. Whatever happened in 5B isn't "proving the world is a game" because there shouldn't be a boundary there in the first place, and proves that there's something "wrong" with hometown in the games own context. The whole point is that Flowey's ability to time travel to "see all the possibilities" and soulless sociopathic state made him adopt a mentality that he was "real" and everyone else was just a toy to play with. He drops this mentality when regaining his old emotions and feeling everyone's love for Frisk makes him regret how he acted and realize how much he hurt others and he himself was hurt by his actions. Noelle is girl from a family with a distant and controlling mother, a bedridden, dying father and a missing sister. She is a vulnerable girl from a unstable household who is dissociating from her daily routine. The weird route is Kris manipulation her into that "Flowey mentality" so they can "get stronger" together. She kills her classmate and copes with it by saying she's risen above the "routines" everyone else runs on after you fully break her by forcing her to confront that it was real. She is not "enlightened," she could not "see the boundaries," she is an emotionally damaged teenager and she, by her own admission, is "doing something crazy" just to see what happens.
do you think toby made flowery so that fujos could ship ralsei with a grown man like they did with kris and tenna
>>574666394I don't agree that genocide was the most interesting bit of undertale. Unfertale has cool shit peppered through it and deltarune has the same shit in it but they don't feel that cool anymore cause they've been done before. All the quirky dialogue and 4th wall breaking meta shit is toby's bread and butter.However there's too much quirkiness and cute characters in DR and it's severely lacking in cool creepypast ashit
>>574666394Neither the genocide route nor the weird route are the best part of their respective game. The people demand hopes and dreams. The people affirm life.
Toby Fox, I like you. But our world sucks and is never going to get better and escapism is the only good thing it has to offer. Time to game some fallout 2
>>574665958memento mori
SUSIE AND RALSEIIN CYBER WORLDA DIGITAL WORLDWITH MONSTERSDIGITAL MONSTERSDIGIMON
>The weird route is Kris manipulatio-
>>574666615Anon address the fact Flowery started a battle sequence with the Knight by exploiting game mechanics.
>>574666386What a cute drawing!I wish i was that anon. Having Chara take me by my hands and flying away together, just the two of us...
>>574666210Noelle needs a hard slap on the face and face the reality hit that she is a entitled millionaire who all she needs to do is her homework and stop getting wet for the local delinquent that threats to eat people's faces. She complains that people march down the same path without seeing where they are going, calling everyone a NPC. Ironically, she never noticed how Monster Kid, Snowy or Onion from the lake disappeared during the festival because she is a failed normie too. She also didn't question if the second voice from Kris is Kris or another person, she did try to communicate once in chapter 4 and gave up afterwards, without raising any questions, without checking the school closet, without making a lot of questions and speaking to (YOU). All she did, was march down her path like a NPC.Noelle also gets a ego boost for feeling stronger and threatening Kris like shit, she deserves a reality hit with a real man's strength to understand her actions have consequences and she has to grow up.
>>574666828Wow this Susie is very normiefied. Which works for me because I never wanted to fuck her as is.
>>574666394>>genocide route is the most interesting part of undertale>... If your a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my favourite part is that we already had this argument several times before
>>574666857He's going to say that the game mechanics are "diagetic" [sic] so they don't mean that the world is a game in-universe, even though the opposite is true
noelle stops being a meek tradwife and /utg/ gets unusually upset
>>574666921Chara is a dumbass who was abused by her family and immediately concluded every human deserves death, apparently including other human children like her. She planned genocide with Asriel, killed herself and shit herself on her bed, and her plan failed because she didn't communicate with Asriel in telling her to swipe a village to steal their SOULs and break the barrier.Chara believes she is a demon for killing 50 or 70 weak monsters and has no idea se gets no diff by a gun.Show Chara a documentary of World War II and wikipedia pages of humanity's worst serial murder and her ego will be shattered. She had terrible human parents and the dreemurs are faggot. Of course she is a bitch.
>>574666879The trans squad is here
>>574667168It’s the rape apologetics that are problematic, not Noelle being assertive.
>>574665958>eventually only the current moment matters though
>>574666613Never. Kek
>>574666879Spamtenna plus ghost cousins as one big family is really wholesome. They even have pet dogs (the Wet Nose Bandits)
>>574666857Anon there are froggits in the ruins that talk about starting battles, their names turning yellow and pressing F4 to make the game fullscreen. Does that make flowey's mentality sane or correct?>>574667104>even though the opposite is trueDidn't play the games award
>>574667352Now imagine how much worse you would've ended up if they did.
>>574667283>problematicbro its a video game
>>574666094WITH YOUR FEET IN THE AIR AND YOUR HEAD ON THE GROUND
>>574667413You sound like a massive faggot
>>574667417People can still extrapolate objectively terrible ideas from them.
She's always right
>>574667543you sound like someone who got raped
>>574667597Well, that would make sense.
>>574667505>if u make me think unpleasant thoughts u r bad! >:(Ssshh little baby it's okay.
>>574667405Flowery started a battle with the Knight in a cutscene. Stop being obtuse. He spared a Floradinn at the start of combat and then engaged the Knight. Address and stop going to the vague shit. The game explicitly showed you characters engaging with game mechanics. Editing their stats, explicitly. Deal with it and stop being in denial
https://youtu.be/v1bpjLMGj4QThis will happen>butThis WILL happen.
>>574664505Fuck, he's sexy..
>>574667691Go back to your tranny groomer, normie
>>574667690holding ralsei’s face while he wags his tail faster and faster in excitement…
I LIKE RAPE I LIKE BEING EVIL RAAAAGGGH COME HERE YOU *GRABS YOUR HEAD ANF FUCJCUCCNG CRUSHES JS TITITT*
fat middle aged women...
>>574666394Genocide had good moments but true pacifist had shit like the True Lab too. But I do prefer the weird route, if only because it saves me from the abysmal Suselle compilations and had the Spamton 1V1 which is still the best thing to come out of this series in my eyes.
>>574667805
>>574667576What, even when she told you she doesn't like what you're doing on WR?
>>574667405>Does that make flowey's mentality [...] correct?No because the point of the game is that you should care about things even if they're not real. Thanks for watching my dream!
>>574667729>He spared a Floradinn at the start of combat and then engaged the KnightHow does a character engaging with the functions of his world make the world less real to him? How does any of that world behaving "like a video game" make Flowey correct for acting like a sociopath?>The game explicitly showed you characters engaging with game mechanics. Editing their stats, explicitlySo you're telling me that the sequel to the game about how "getting stronger" isn't necessary and stats don't matter... Showed us that getting stronger and having arbitrarily high stats didn't matter? Come on anon you're almost there just a little more brain power
>>574667758you cant just violate the NDA like that...
>>574667845Good post
>>574667795>schizophrenic buzzword saladWhat do normies and trannies even have to do with each other lol
>>574667690
>>574666921Noelle needs a hard slap on the ass
>>574667178should've killed asriel and yoinked his soul instead of the other way around
>>574667805>uh oh held his face too hard
reminder that this is the most important character in deltarune and nothing will ever change that
>>574668086Chuds think that they're enlightened and that their enlightenment "saves" them from being "manipulated" like the "normies>>574667985>No because the point of the game is that you should care about things even if they're not realYes and the point being that the world is not any less real for the people in it and nobody truly is "above" that world, the whole point of the Asriel battle is that he slowly breaks down because having emotional attachments again with the memories of his actions as Flowey's actions becomes too much for him to hear. Flowey was Flowey because he physically lacked the ability to feel remorse for his actions and had the power to actuate any fantasy he desired with "no consequences" not that he "knew he was in a video game"
>>574668409
>>574668441>unnamed blob>shows up only if you do weird obscure shit>completely optional and has zero impact on the game>schizoretards will tell you it holds significance to everything finally some competition to my hero
>>574668159>Noelle needs a hard slap on the assAfter chapter 5, I feel like Noelle would be the one demanding a spanking and forcing you to Proceed if you refused.
>>574668596
>>574668713if you refused she would spank herself hard enough to injure her hand and keep doing that until kris gives in
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/1038634
>>574668441reminder that ive probably cum to this thing like 12 times already
>>574668159>that flattened titjeepers cheese and crackers anon..
>>574668928adorable
>>574668689gaster could never be this cute and cuntytotal mantle victory
thicc
>>574668004A flower cut in half... What a weird coincidence, ig it's a part of the prophecy Kris knows that we dont
>>574669189impregnate...
>>574669041>>574669189idc about this thing i'd rather fuck cats
>>574668159>Both their expressions>Flattened tit>Quivering legs>Subtle heartsFUCK
>>574669189need chubby gf like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_poOjXoFcHoo!Ha!Heh, how did you like my jarona!?
>>574669189just begging to be punted into orbit
>>574668736
>>574659210I was at a club the other night and took way too much coke and ketamine, and because convinced I was in Deltarune. I saw the room distorting and expanding, becoming a large open space that felt like a dark world. I was still conscious and alert of the club I was in, but I could see the menu at my periphery. Then I started hearing Flowery voice clips in my head. He was so fucking annoying.
>>574668448Anon, you are the target of the themes. Not fucking Flowey. You are the person that the appeal goes out to. Undertale and Deltarune want you to care about the people in them even though they are fictional videogame characters. They are those things. Your suspension of disbelief is going to get blasted full of holes by the end of Deltarune, and you will have to figure out how that makes you feel. That's why it's so stupid to think like you do. Because there are people who exist "above" the world of the story. Lightners are above Darkners. You are above Lightners. You can't escape that fact. You have to live with it
>>574668441Jane Mantle fanart will be funny in hindsight when it's revealed the Mantle holder is male
>>574669465Dont shoot!!AIEEEE!!!
>>574668869This animator is fucking godly
>>574662262Yeah crumbs, meanwhile Krusie and Kralsei got meals
>>574669465
>>574669713Did you know their shit got demonetized? Tragic
i drew... i wish i could draw more...
>>574669696i am prepared for this eventuality
>>574669603SOUL NOOOO
>>574669806Oh yeah, there was something about a copyright strike. That's really unfortunate, although kind of expected.
>>574667054My depressing part is I sadly have nothing to add despite being a huge charafag. Like Chara's a (loveable) dumbass, I agree, but mostly from a spot of extreme self-loathing because in her calculus of "FUCK HUMANITY", she included herself in the math. Thus why the dogshit plan with half a dozen unknowns instead of injecting Goku into her veins.>>574667178Also if you go into the idea of Chara being born on 1999 to meme a bit, she'd be about 10-12 years old at the youngest into Mt.Ebott which could ground the suicidal ideation we have (I have trouble imaging someone 6-8 thinking that cynically even if plenty possible, sadly), and at that case they likely know of humanity's propensity for war (even if merely the cliffnotes instead of reading up on journals and whatnot).>>574668448>not that he knew he was in a video gameWhat's the meaningful difference between Flowey knowing they're in an actual video game versus treating the world as if it were a video game? Either way it still lead towards Flowey's point, being a mirror to the callous completionist who just does things without caring for the world they're in because of the power that SAVE/LOAD grants. Regardless if Flowey thought he was in an actual .exe file or just had the permissions like it was an .exe file.>>574668869Why are my knees bending? What is this?
>>574669696Eram is gonna be a they/them and you know it
>>574669848
>>574668448Undertale and Deltarune have the same underlying logic as each other and as every other game in human history. You enter into the magic circle, accept its rules, and play along by suspending your disbelief. Flowey's issue is that he can only see the game as a game and couldn't make himself believe in it as anything more than lines of dialogue and sets of numbers, so he thought the best solution for his dilemma would be to brute force his way out of the magic circle entirely, whether by exiting to the outside world (neutral) or just destroying the circle (genocide). Whenever you confront him, he refuses to abide by the rules of normal play, because he thinks he shouldn't have to since it's just a game and it doesn't matter. In TP, you refuse to abide by the rules too, so it turns into a childish back-and-forth. He's eventually able to accept that it's better to be part of the game with everyone else than to reject it, because he's able to believe again. He is wrong to see the game as a game not because it isn't a game, but because it's more than just a game as long as you allow yourself to imagine that it is. He doesn't literally know that he's a fictional character inside undertale.exe created by Toby Fox, but he's not wrong about the world being a game, he's wrong to reject it because it's a game.
>>574670046people have been comparing Noelle/soul to Goku Black/ zamasu for a long time and have been proven right. neither can stand mortals/npcs
Ralsei's room needs a BIG bed to lie down in so I can pet him ALL over.
>>574669696>eram picks up the slack left when ralsei transitioned and saves toby from the femboy erasure allegationseverybody say thank you to john mantle
>>574670513There is no magic circle. The demon is already here. Grapple with it retard. You spend your whole life engaging with fiction and you have callouses on your brain. You can't parse that the game is trying to force you to think in a different, uncomfortable way. You try to derail its message and make it conform to your expectations, because you're a coward
>>574669614>Anon, you are the target of the themes. Not fucking FloweyHoly fuck you people are dense. Yes, we the audience are the target of the games message. Flowey is a part of that message because he's a part of the game. Asriel's breakdown in the final battle illustrates once and for all that the fourth wall leans and "game-y" elements of the world do not make the world less real or a "game" in its own universe and feeling that way as a character in this world is a sign of mental illness. The message is that it's okay to care about something that "isn't real" to us but the game never treats itself like its own world isn't real and rewards a player for engaging the game with integrity and letting yourself care about the characters. You get the most content by "caring" despite the things that might imply that "nothing matters" or "it's just a game">Your suspension of disbelief is going to get blasted full of holes by the end of Deltarune, and you will have to figure out how that makes you feelSo your position is that Toby spent the last 11 years making a game that is antithetical to his "dream project" to usurp our expectations? Do you genuinely believe that?>Lightners are above DarknersDidn't play the game award >You can't escape that fact. You have to live with itIdk what I'm "escaping." Are you trying to imply I think papyrus exists in some Roger rabbit world or something? The games are real in their own context, as most stories are.
>>574670610ALL over...
>>574670105Best I can do is he/they
Deltarune Chapter 7 final boss
>>574670610
>>574669614>The player self insert exists as a being above the world of Deltarune>This means it's a videogame in the universe~77% of people are part of inherently theistic religions, approximately 0% of them believe they are in a video game.
At the end of Chapter 7 we'll be able to talk with an LLM powered Gaster, and based on how convincing we are, we'll get the ending we want. Every copy of Deltarune will be personalized.
>>574670735ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL over
take this anon
>>574670623If it turns out to be another goat boy but evil I'll gladly renounce transei in exchange for my edgy brat substitute
>>574668928yeah that’s pretty cute
Chapter 6 and 7 better have some Shin Megami Tensei-ass battle themes considering all the demon and angel stuff Toby keeps bringing uphttps://youtu.be/UpSkhR0ts6k
>>574669189GODFUCKINGDAMN IT
>this is a cute mothafucka!!many people are saying this!!
>>574670891so that's why toby needed all these development years, he was waiting for AI
>>574671001got paralyzed by horniness at the idea of goat boy but evil
>>574670673You don't understand the concept if you think it's exclusive to fiction and not every aspect of human civilization
>>574669713>>574669806I love their animations. Such a fun artstyle that actually does pixelart well unlike all the pixelart porn of this game. Definitely understood the characters and portrayed em wellAlso he posted an update literally today that apparently the support he got from ko-fi after this released completely fixed his financial issues which means he can work on his next shit soon. Sometimes humanity is pretty cool>>574670046Rudy? Is that you? You can just say its peak you dont need to crash into a wall.
>>574670704His dream fucking project is a game that talks to you and challenges you, you dumb bitch. It's not another cookie-cutter RPG that gets you to care by being cute or cool or scary. It's doing that on the side, but its goal is to get to you and make you question yourself and you refuse because you're too retarded to spot the difference. Papyrus doesn't have to exist for you to care about him, not even in his own fucking world. He can be double, triple, quadruple fictional and it doesn't change anything. He already didn't exist. When Kris Deltarune turns to the camera and says "I am in a simulation inside a videogame" you will enter such denial that you will start doing the same shit the Chapter 5 haters do: Pretend the story's bad and poorly conceived, because it's putting something in front of you that you don't want, that you don't want to admit that you don't want, because you don't want to grapple with the reasons you don't want it
How is he so good at just zero effort shitting out music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIv8MSJW4nQ
>>574670515I have never heard anyone compare (you)/Noelle to Zamasu/Goku Black. What? The closest I can think of is me, where I might've noted once about Zamasu and Chara being similar and hence the couple of requests being filled out.
>>574670046>Flowey knowing they're in an actual video game versus treating the world as if it were a video game?There is a world of difference because one means Flowey understands that he is an element on a digital world, which he doesn't, and one means he sees himself as above others because he can control time and has no emotions, which he does. Flowey never once is alluding to being "in a video game" when he says those things, he is a broken and damaged child with godlike powers and vast knowledge of possibilities from living countless timelines. You cannot find me a point in the script where he actually says "haha this is all just a video game" and the point of the Asriel fight is that Flowey's mentality is deeply unwell and Asriel can't keep it up when has actual emotions that clash against the memories of Flowey's actions >>574670513>Flowey's issue is that he can only see the game as a game and couldn't make himself believe in it as anything more than lines of dialogue and sets of numbersLegitimately I have to believe you just didn't play the game or something if you believe this. Show me the actual part where Flowey says "yeah I know I'm in a video game." You can't because he doesn't, he's rationalizing seeing all the possibilities as he tries to find something that makes him "feel." He does not know he's a video game character or that his world is a video game, and he resents when you try to treat him like he treats everyone else
>>574671001woah
>>574670623terrible fucking post kys
>>574670863There is no player self insert in Deltarune. It's you. The game asked YOUR NAME and it made you agree that you would accept everything that happens. Jesus fucking Christ anon how dense can one fag be?
>>574660412Find someone who looks at you the same way Noelle looks at Me/spoiler].
>>574671001the community is already healing
>>574671276that's what a player insert is, anon
>>574671276anon i mean kris is definitely a character you can self insert into. i would argue doing so is part of engaging with the theme's of the game. you are robbing him/her of their personhood. if toby really didn't want you doing so it would be trivially easy
>>574671139>It's doing that on the side, but its goal is to get to you and make you question yourself and you refuse because you're too retarded to spot the differenceWhat question is getting me to ask myself that I'm avoiding and how would setting up an 11 year subversion of going "haha retard you cared about these characters fucking jackass" not be antithetical to everything toby has said and done up to this point? What makes you believe this will be the case?>When Kris Deltarune turns to the camera and says "I am in a simulation inside a videogame"You've gotta be failtrolling I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded
>is that all I am now? a collection of memory?>ERAM
>>574671250come over here and kill me yourself buster
>>574671001if you'd give up ralsei that easily you don't deserve him
>>574671481YO
>>574671084I understand it just fine. I'm aware that every aspect of my selfhood is a fiction, part of the long chain of humanity carried collectively by our tacit agreement. People don't get names from god, their parents give them. Fake words that reference the ghost of a person inhabiting a meat puppet that can learn to fit the role given to it. This is also commentary about that. The point is that if finding out that's fictional makes you lose your place in reality, that's bad. You should learn to grapple with fictions where it's not so dangerous, so when the time comes to accept your entire personhood is fictional that doesn't automatically render it valueless, just because you had some illusion about some bullshit called "objectivity" and "reality" sold to you by cavemen and medieval peasants
>>574670623John (Fe)Mantle>>574671306>>574671001Great art, I'm waiting for the Ralsei/Mantle dichotomy reveal
>>574671596exceptionally cute design
>>574671596>>574671763I adore this artist's Ralsei and his cute poncho
As (YOU) know, anon, it is imperative that you draw your fave on the whiteboard
>>574671217>Legitimately I have to believe you just didn't play the game or something if you believe this.I'm directly quoting from the game in the part you quoted so maybe you're the one who needs to actually play the game. Maybe you can start small by reading until the end of my post where I said he doesn't conceptualize himself as a fictional character in the video game Undertale created by Toby Fox.
Fish I wish
i would draw fave on the whiteboard but its scary…i wish i could draw…
>>574671424>that's what a player insert is, anonSo Paula was praying to a player insert character in Earthbound?
>>574671459Some of you really haven't played Deltarune huh
>>574672037I haven't played that game but probably
>>574670478>All the self harm scarsWhy do people find this attractive again?I dunno if i am the only person who thinks this way, but even if i was a giga-depressed woman, i'd never self harm. Not only do the scars just ruin the beauty of skin, cutting itself has just been made out to be super corny.I don't mean to sound so fucking rude and boomery, but this is why shaming existed. Way too many times i've seen young people walk around with their fresh scars blatantly exposed, and it's just like - what happened to hiding that shit? shit?
>>574672043not an argument
>>574672075Is that some alternate version of Blue on the right?
>be a host to an eldritch entity that is called a demon heart that can eradicate your world repeatedly>instead of pleasing it you throw it in a cage to have a whole pie for yourself like a greedy little shit>throw a hissy fit when the demon heart forces you to mindbreak a childhood friend and commit a double suicide with herweird route is wholly justified
>>574660598Is... is that a cvntboy....
>>574672114>cornykys
JARONAJARONAJARONAJAORANGEJARONAJAORANGEJARONAJARONAJAKIDDING!JARONAAND ONE MORE FOR THE FANS
>>574672114you cut for the endorphins not to look cool
>>574672178thats elnina sir
>>574669482Based Flowery apparition partying with you at the club
>>574672178>2026 i am forgotten
>>574672285most people cut to look cool
pet him allllllllllllll over
>>574672094What do you mean by probably. Speak clearly, faggot. What do you think happens at the end of Earthbound when Paula prays and your name, that the game asked you for and you forgot you gave, answers the prayer? That there's a fictional god in the world of the game with the same name, pretending to play a videogame about what's happening in the game? Can't you see how stupid that way of conceptualizing fiction is? You just make up another layer of fiction to slap onto the pre-existing one, like some kind of plug adapter. Learn to engage with it directly without crutches
>>574672293Who is that?
>>574672293Kek, took me a minute to realize it's a clothing swap
my skyrim crashed when i did >LOOT ALLon a thalmor woman soldiermy guess is that the boob physics mod loaded in with unusually excessive numbers calculationsfuck my old ass PC, can't handle either shid nor shizis it true that skyrim often crashes due to computer specs being too low? or is that false and skyrim can overload on it's own?
>>574672339Gaming with tears in her eyes, just like me playing Undertale and Deltarune...
>>574672269ja-ust kidding
HOOHATAKE THAT
Suckling on Ralsei's tail taint...
>>574672352
>>574672178They're cosplaying each other. Blue is wearing Elnina's hair and clothes on the left. She's wearing his shit on the right
>>574672349posit andy
not doing that. we are brushing his tail normally and sucking on his dick instead
>>574672352All the pets for fluffy boy
>>574671925I deal in fish.
>>574671596I'm sorry raly but your penis is non negotiable
>>574672419Skyrim itself has a bunch of memory allocation issues. Some of them were fixed on the special edition but not all
>>574672216I'm sorry that i used a scary zoomer word you don't like, but that's why we have language.Trashy, Tacky, Cringe>>574672285I know the weather recently isn't appropriate for long-sleeved wardrobe, but tell that to the women i saw at the bus yesterday whose thighs look like a trimmed steak
>>574671923>I'm directly quoting from the game in the part you quoted so maybe you're the one who needs to actually play the gameStop pretending you understand the meaning of the text because you don't. Flowey adopting a sociopathic mentality that "everything is just a game" is not him "knowing he's in a video game" accidentally or otherwise, it's an emotionally damaged child with time travel powers coping with his inability to meaningfully fix his situation or feel anything or even end his own suffering. If you think otherwise you've missed the point of that use of language dramatically and the sad part is like you're so close. The point is to make you feel like he might know his world is a videogame but he doesn't. Sans doesn't, Jevil doesnt, Spamton doesn't and neither does Noelle. Undertale's fourth wall leans arent about making you feel like the world is less real, they're about reinforcing that it IS real for the characters despite the control Flowey's powers give him over the world. Saving and loading also don't make the world less real because sans can observe their effects on time and space btw. You're tripping at the end zone, you're getting 90% of the way to understanding and missing the last 10% so hard you wind up understanding even less
my pethugnuzzleslut wife..
>>574672720That's not cutting you retard those are 99% stretch marks
>>574672459Two very strong and handsome humans!
>>574672368When you play the game, how many options do you have to respond to the prayer with? Why are you restricted to a finite number of responses in this circumstance, compared to every other part of your existence where there's an infinite gradation of possible things to do? Could it be, gasp, that the options were created before you ever picked up the game by a writer, almost as if they were writing a character, a character that you take up the role of when playing the game?There's no such thing as "engaging directly" in a way that precludes drawing another layer in between. Even real life interaction involves complex weaves of perception and pretense. Recognizing that a self-insert-character isn't literally, actually "you" doesn't get in the way of appreciating art unless you have a fucked-up fragile understanding of what "you" is anyway
john mantleaeiou
>>574672847Their wedding is going to be so cute…
>>574672472Tastes and feels like marshmallows
>>574661869Chapter 5 was all about jealousy, especially Ralsei being jealous of everyone capable of exercising free will.
https://x.com/dailytobytrivia/status/2079186638882668877
>>574672852I may be a retard, but i know the difference between cutting scars and stretch marks, anon, don't patronize me.
>>574671163it was on the /v/ threads last year before the janny went crazy with power back then too
>>574672114>Why do people find this attractive again?It's only "attractive" to people looking for emotionally vulnerable people to manipulate. I don't believe in judging people who are trying to get better for their lowest points, but for any normal person it's a sign of caution and concern >Way too many times i've seen young people walk around with their fresh scars blatantly exposed, and it's just likeThere are definitely people these days that want to put that shit out there to make people uncomfortable. They're not proud of it, it's a part of the self harm they want to hurt themselves and disgust other people with it. I don't like to shake people for exposing the parts of their body with old scars on them, we can't judge people for their lowest points after all>>574672140>"Not an argument"Not only is that not an argument you're also not returning their statement so I have to assume you're either a failtroll hanging out here to shitstir or you're just too much of a loser to play through a baby game
Flowery really wanted to be a witch
>>574673169My boyfriend!
https://litter.catbox.moe/kovelia5qjdj96vi.jpg
>>574672964Videogames are finite, fictional things, yes. Why are you acting like that's a revelation from god? Nobody's pretending you have infinite choice. You might not have prayed along with Paula. I'm sure most Japanese kids didn't realize the game thought they might. It's still talking about you. Earthbound says your wish that they would win is what makes them win, nothing else. You are the one who answers. The only way in which that is fictional is that you are fictional. The game is trying to blur the lines of your interface with the world, which the controls of the game represent. Deltarune is both doing the same thing AND making the characters aware that they are in a videogame and possibly another layer of reality deeper than that, just like how they go another layer deeper every time they visit a Darkworld. The fact that there's an interface doesn't magically manifest a "player insert" character, that's just you being retarded. There is no player insert character in Deltarune and there wasn't one in Undertale either
it's coming homeit's comingasriel's coming home
>>574673253cringe asf
The way Flowery blushes when you praise him is crazy cute.
>>574673498this looks dumb
>>574673427I'm acting like it's a rather mundane piece of media analysis that you're treating as controversial for some reason>The only way in which that is fictional is that you are fictional(you) do realize that the second person in fiction can refer to things other than the reader right?
>>574673012brbrbrbrbrbrbrbr
I've had "Ralsei touches Kris in increasingly inappropriate ways when they're alone together" bouncing around in my head for a few days nowI think I might have to actually write it down
>>574672114looks like ripped jeans, but on skinlike tattoos but inverted
>>574673015Flowery will wear the dress (sized up for his pregnancy and intake of Raly's cauldron cakes)
Oh that's a Northernlion reference
https://x.com/petzcatz2/status/2078861166974263322
>>574673576
toby is my buttbuddy, he will do exclusively what i want from the game.
>>574673659>(you) do realize that the second person in fiction can refer to things other than the reader right?It can. In this case it doesn't. Stop making shit up. There's a reason the game asked for your fucking name when you started it
>>574673498COMING
>>574673290I do wonder if deltarune's gunna do a similar angle to umineko with the more grounded explanation for the plot being so miserable that you kinda want to believe the more fantastical one
>>574673854yeah to make the self-insert character more clearly an analogue for the player
>>574673692>knife ear
>>574673812temmie when is escaped chasm 2 coming out
>>574673754Noelle would love Mewgenics
>>574671118Watched it and it indeed is peak. Damn shame they got butt-fucked by Youtube because of course Google wanted to compete with Microsoft/Sony in the Faggot Olympics. Even downloaded it just in case. And yes I smiled seeing Chara and the gang.>>574671217I'm sorry but I don't think the difference matters. Whether Flowey's self-conscious about being in a game, or just that he's a higher level of existence in-world with powers akin to being a player in a game, both lead to the god complex and disillusionment. Both would have him seeing himself as above the common prattle, both would have him be a curious and callous bastard that does unimaginable things merely because he wonders what'd happen and very, very little can stop him (for all intents and purposes, (you) as it'd take to match/surpass his lower level of divinity/understanding of the universe). You're getting hanged up by the phrasing, which hey, I get that as a fellow autist, but both would lead him to the same result and I don't get why this is a hangup on either side. Whether for Flowey or for Noelle. Weird Route is about her understanding the truth that the world Hometown sits on is, in a cosmic-sense, infinitesimal, that the lightners of hometown are on strings from some other higher being and unchanging from the direction they march towards, even if it took a higher level being's cruelty to do so. Regardless of whether its Toby Fox, head poncho on the team developing the Deltarune.EXE puppetting, or just the concept of an entity from a higher plane of existence like Yawheh/Buddha/The Angel/Gaster/The Norns/etc. And regardless of either view, they are only saved/damned by your personal actions in the world (regardless of whether the game scraps your governments database for your real name or not).
>>574673956Asgore is a little bit of a fantasy buff
>>574673596This. This is the wallpaper.
>>574673708Pervertsei
>>574673708this art smells bad
>>574673812are you the homestuck guy
>>574673947You are the person it addresses. There is no insert. Try again
>>574673812hussie leave the twink alone
Ja-Wife
>>574673960>fat>gaycertified premium grade floradinn right there
>>574674171*SNIIIIIIFFFFFF*
>>574674191
>>574674161>And yes I smiled seeing Chara and the gangThe whole Gaster as the keeper of heaven bit was very cute. Also loved the little details like the flattened Kris sprite, the gonermaker ost when the stairs come down. Very good high quality stuff.
Hello /utg/ I've been gone for a week, did I miss anything?
>>574673427>You might not have prayed along with PaulaNta but exactly, by progressing the dialogue and having the natural desire to defeat Giygas and protect Ness, Paula, Jeff and Poo you provided the last final push to destroy him just by being there. It doesn't require a conscious action, it's another element of you driving the game forward as the player.>Deltarune is both doing the same thing AND making the characters aware that they are in a videogameThis is wrong and not supported by the material, however. One of the big reveals in Deltarune will be who we are actually in universe and how they control Kris/Frisk. I heavily doubt that the explanation for player input will be "lol it's a video game" when everything else that's "video game-y" has some sort of legitimate in universe explanation that has observable effects and wider implications. Deltarune and Undertale are not video games in their own context, mother 1 earthbound by comparison peel back the veil to illustrate that you are not Ninten/Ness and exist somewhere outside of reality. Mother 3 implies a lot of this as well but blurs the line by having everyone meet you at the end of the game and acknowledge your participation in guiding Lucas and the others safely across their journey
>>574674301the game addresses you and asks you to identify with a character designed for that role, yes
>>574672754You aren't understanding what I'm saying because you think that the world being a game in-universe would necessarily mean that none of it matters. No. It is a game, it is fictional, but it still matters. If you suspend your disbelief and allow yourself to be emotionally affected by it as if it were real, then it IS functionally real for all intents and purposes even though it's not physically real. The characters you listed, sans Sans who is actually totally blind to game elements and only sees them as in-universe facets of reality just like Undyne or Papyrus do, DON'T CONCEPTUALIZE THEIR WORLD AS A VIDEO GAME (maybe you'll be able to read it this time if I put it in all caps?), but either as a "game" more in the sociological sense or as something generally fake, the same way someone in real life might see the government or society as a whole as a bunch of arbitrary rules. They are not wrong that these rules are arbitrary, but they are wrong for thinking that means they shouldn't engage with them at all. The rules of games and of real life are functionally real because we act as if they are real, and rejecting them is bad for you as an individual, even if there is no tangible reality behind the rules and they would cease to exist if everyone decided not to follow them. Undertale and Deltarune focus specifically on video game mechanics and the power of fiction to emotionally affect the audience, but the ideas they posit are more broadly true than that because the structure of games permeates society as a whole.
I feel like there's a distinct lack of flat out evil villains nowadays.Everyone either misunderstood or is tricked.There aren't any flat out asshole villains.
i want to insert my penis in ralsei butthole
I want to complete chapter 4 and move onto chapter 5 already but I paused it because I'm afraid I'll have to do it AGAIN after toby fixes the Susie Magic debuff bug and Jackensteins pro-choice bug.Any current devs browsing this thread tell me when they're gonna fix it? Thanks
>>574674316This nice-smelling creature will do ANYTHING to make you happy.
So Asriel crying near the lake results in the Knight being created?And Kris performing the demon summoning ritual results in a dark world being created, with either us coming in contact with him if done in the bunker, or with Ralsei and the grand fountain if done in the school closet?
>>574674417you missed meeee
>>574674567hey kris
>>574674586He sure will
>>574673745https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5kbIrbwl7s
>>574673745"It's a Boy's treat for a guy like him" is probably also a Northernlion reference. I expect to see a supercruise joke in chapter 6, don't disappoint me, Toby.
i wonder if all these different visions of the game will survive the next chapters or the game will be vague enough for them to survive
>>574674758This guy’s your best friend!
>>574674548there is a solution to this problem for those with eyes to see
>>574674692Huh>>574674692Hiiii!
>>574674425There is not going to be an explanation for the player input anymore than there was in Undertale. The explanation was given in Chapter 1, when the game asked for your name and for you to accept everything in advance
>>574674408with the way chapter 6 is shaping up Susie's gonna be on a side by herself
KawKaw won, your fave lost
>>574674815Considering how Ch5 was mostly about taking the last breath before diving into the grim stuff, I'd say there might be the biggest chasm between fan interpretations and canon this time around.
>>574675069nyo.....n
>>574674520good thing they weren't goats, too much competition for ralsei otherwise
>>574674889:D
>>574675069Kawkaw has ascended past Deltarune and has become a vocaloidhttps://youtu.be/PakiBvllvow
>>574674161>I'm sorry but I don't think the difference mattersIf you can't see the immense difference in implications that has for the setting and message of the game I don't know what to tell you. Replay the game, if you don't understand that Asriel is telling you that he was wrong to feel the things Flowey felt then idk maybe try Putt Putt, I think that's more in line for your reading comprehension levels >does unimaginable things merely because he wonders what'd happen and very, very little can stop himYes because he's an immortal sociopath not because he knows he's a video game character >Weird Route is about her understanding the truth that the world Hometown sits on isIt is not. It is about her having a mental breakdown after her childhood best friend and neighbor makes her kill her classmate to "get stronger" and entering a suicide pact with them. What is the logical and reasonable throughline between killing Berdly to finding out the dark worlds were real to going "let's do something crazy and escape town [by drowning in a lake and not taking the road out of town]" that should lead the reader to believe that Noelle is "enlightened" and not crazy? How did she know there was "something" in the lake?>You're getting hanged up by the phrasingYou're a retard and can barely speak yourself let alone comprehend others words, clearly. The phrasing is clear you simply don't understand its implications >both would lead him to the same resultThen why does Asriel not just resolve to control the game forever if he's somehow enlightened by being a flower? Why does he say that mentality was wrong if he knows he's just in a video game and it doesn't matter? Freak
>>574674968THE MOST FAMOUS HOTTEST FLOWERSWALLOW YOUR DROLL BECAUSE NOWHE COULD BE YOURS
My faves' headcanons
>>574674968Grabbing a handful of Flowery's tight beach-ready ass and hearing him giggle in response
>>574675189
>>574675331lol why are they indian
>>574675021>the game about experiencing things we didn't in Undertale won't answer one of the things we never learned in undertaleWhat do you think the weird route chapter 5 ending means? Why would they need to establish a pov shot of a room with a monitor in it on our screen instead of just displaying the text on our screen if it's just us playing the game?
>>574675392
>>574675331Making Susie and Kris the same race makes no sense for Kris' character arcThey are clearly Pakistani
everyone talks about how Spamton changed his appearance due to fear, but nobody mentions that Jevil was afraid too
>>574675708Why is this photo so popular
What if the second voice is just a Noelle?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4pizYOQHsQ&list=RDW4pizYOQHsQ&start_radio=1We need to combine our powers with the japs
On a scale from 1 to 10 how mad would Kris be if the soul forced them to have a healthy diet and exercise?
>>574675842woag
Some new bait cooked up in the lab.
>>574675491My honest opinion is that it's probably there to help along the vibe of the WR Lakeskip Route, which definitely veers into creepypasta shit. I don't think it's intended to have special meaning beyond what it reveals about the fact a chapter already exists and we just don't have access to it.I do think Deltarune will talk about a layer of reality above Hometown that Noelle and Kris have now reached. Maybe in advance, maybe exclusively in this route. Either way that layer of reality is not going to be one inhabited by a "player insert". Instead they will explain that they made a connection with someone outside the world, drop your name, and that'll be that. You are playing the game, controlling Kris through the interface of the soul. There is no character there, just the trappings of a videogame which the characters are a part of
What if Mayor Holiday resigned and was replaced by a clone who's identical in every way but speaks with a different accent?
>>574675317...Engraved with Spamton's name? Hopefully that didn't hurt too much.
>>574675931kek this is definitely gonna make some tranny mad
>>574675909dude weed lmao
>>574675892The fucking comments are killing me>NOBODY CAN OUTSPEED A TRUCK DESSKekus
>>574675849He DOES wear a mask...
i dont habe any meidia ltieriacayyuh...,
BATTER!*HUFF HUFF*I SAW YOU IN THAT LAST THREAD YOU TINY FUCK!*HUFF HUFF*IT MIGHT HAVE TAKEN ME NEARLY FIVE YEARS TO CATCH UP*HUFF HUFF*BUT I WILL FUCKING FLATTEN YOU WITH MY ASS!
>>574675892Someone will drive the truck with the flowers on it, but it won't be Asgore, it'll be Kris.
hydrate your ralsei
>>574659373the dragon is stopped during chapter 1
>>574676112
The Roaring Fraud.The Crying Bitch.The Fallen Fake.
Deltarune would be funnier with Battler as the protag
>>574675849>Spamton changed his appearancehe didn't though
>>574676015>>574676112doobie dood
>>574676179does it work on Susie too?
>>574676179making him drink the water nonstop....
>>574676093OH SHIT HE'S BACK!I THOUGHT THIS LARDASS WAS DEAD!
>>574675873If Noelle is responsible for my vessel getting discarded, I will do everything I possibly can to make her unhappy
>>574676179is this an actual thing in the game?
>>574676285No
>>574676253he smonk
>>574676304yes
>>574676304How did you guys not try this? Yes it is, and it works on hatless Ralsei too.
>>574676179the flowery brain parasite is taking hold
i cant believe the chin lift sprite being named ago kui isnt causing more a buzz
>>574676389>>574676438smoke weed errydaay
>>574675892>Im filled up Gas(ter)The nips even shitposting better than us its so over
Imagining a horde of weed-smoking ralseis taking turns shotgunning you until you're greening out and they keep doing it...
>>574676510Agokui as he insists Ralsei should want to “serve” him…
>>574676531
>>574676196id become a prim and proper lady for her
>>574676609Weed Ralseis getting raided by gun Ralseis and being shot into piles of fluff
>>574671276>There is no player self insert in DeltaruneI guess you could roleplay the soul as somebody else but that would be weird. You are clearly supposed to self insert into the Soul
>>574676609>Imagining a horde of weed-smoking ralseis taking turns shotgunning yougiwtwm
>>574676619Toby makes this game for fujoshi
>>574676631>>574676679>>574676686crack is whack
>>574675939>My honest opinion is that it's probably there to help along the vibe of the WR Lakeskip Route, which definitely veers into creepypasta shitI genuinely don't believe toby does anything "just because" for stuff that deep into the game. If it was just supposed to be creepy and weird you out the scan lines would've been fitted to your window like everything else up to this point. The shift in perspective is incredibly deliberate>that Noelle and Kris have now reachedThis is a huge assumption that I don't agree with. The weird route is going "nowhere" and Kris knows it goes nowhere. There will be no super exciting reveal or big fight, it's just going to be miserable and reveal a tiny bit more than the normal route will
>>574676830
>>574676919
>>574675985I would fly into a pet chimp rage and rip her face off
>>574676840>>574676919>>574677026Smoky wokey. Got a smoke? Blunt smoke, smoken the blunt smoke. Bud? Bud in my mouth, smoking my bud. Smoking with my bud, with more bud, then bumping butts. Bumping butts, with bud, smoking blunts. Big butt? What's wrong, got a big ass? Too big for you, huh smoker? Blunt smoker? Toke joker? Joint splointer?
drugsei noooooooooo
>>574677026>>574677046
>>574676304Yes, and if you didn't do it your save is permanently bricked and you have to start over from chapter 1
>>574676794Tony is based… I hope Flowsei catches on with time but the whole proshipping discourse probably means that can’t happen anytime soon in the western fandom…
>nothing but low quality weed-smoking Ralsei images as the thread slows to a crawlFinally, the /utg/ I know and love is back...
Drugs are bad for youThey'll give you schizophrenia
>>574676741The soul is just a tool you use to control the characters. The anon I'm replying to thinks there's gonna be a character with your name controlling the soul
>>574677093>>574677137>>574677139>>574677176>>574677180You NEED a fat blunt. You NEED a fat blunt to be smoked. You NEED to let go of all of the smoke. You NEED your lungs to be filled. You NEED a to get high. Just GRAB THE JOINT and let go of your needs. Just SMOKE that WARM, UNIQUE FEELING into your waiting lungs. Let it out. SOMKE THE BLUNT. HOLD IT it. FEEL it. LOSE yourself to the effect. PUSH. PUSH. SMOKE BLUNT. BE LOST IN THE EFFECT. SMOKE A FAT BLUNT. NOW. HOLD. IT. SMOKE IT. NOW. DO IT. PUSH. INSIDE.
>>574677180what about genuine natural born schizophrenia, is that good?
>>574675397indian made it.
>>574676903The WR is going to the source of Onionsan's song.
>>574677154>Flowey ogling RalseiWhat a fucking narcissist>>574677174The Japanese and Koreans will keep us fed
>>574675849Jevil's story is completely separate, that's what makes him so fucking weird
>>574677176can i jerk off for an hour or two without the thread imploding?
>>574676242Battler is incompetent
>>574677204Chuff Daddy
Ralseifags never talk about anything wholesome, have you noticed that?
>>574677341>>574677424Why are we still here? Just to blaze it? Every night, I can feel my weed... And my gotes... even my chuffin... The shitposts I've lost... the threads I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still here. You feel it, too, don't you?
>>574677291Which is a heavily distorted segment of Girl Next Door with a drum loop over it, if the lake inversion chant is what onion was referring to. I think it's massive leap in conclusions to say that's "outside the game" if such a place exists.
>>574677442Dirty lie, my whole purpose here is to raise the wholesomeness average of the Ralsei diaspora
>>574677442i like to talk about how his hole is certainly something
you think Sans already has his Gaster blasters or will he get them later in Deltarune?
https://x.com/Garec_/status/2079160398444740721
>We've devolved to unironic DUDE WEED LMAO posting
>>574677442>>574677468>>574677561https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiIi smoked some weed todayto see if i still feeli focus on the weedthe only thing thats realthe weed fills my lungsthe old familiar feeltry to smoke it all awaybut i remember everythingWhat have I become?My sweetest bluntEvery dart I get goes awayIn the endAnd you could have it allMy empire of weedI will let you smokeI will make you chuff dartsI wear this crown of weedUpon my smokers chairFull of weed smokeI cannot distributeBeneath the smokes of timeThe cigarettes dissapearYou are someone elseI'm still ralsei weedIf I could smoke againA million darts awayI would keep smokingI would find more weed
someday i want thread to compile pro-suselle arguments and how it will last and anti-suselle arguments and how it will not last.
>>574631782basically, yes, it might seem like 2 out of 3 parts are fluff and recapping (it kind of is) but it builds context for why the theory is so compelling. the theory itself has only gotten stronger with each new chapter.
>>574677620Doomer is the worst poster in /utg/ and it's not even close
>>574677618huh?
>>574677579DR Sans is still not even close to UT Sans. He hasn't learned his most important techniques yet, at this point he's only got Blue Soul and some scenario boundaries cheating.
>>574677456I have to lie down for a while. Bye, friend! :P
>>574677679>saying this while i'm hereyeah okay buddy
>>574677618How did it turn カーカー into Catti?
>>574677494Anon, Hometown does not exist in a complete world. It's cut off from reality and has been for days, if it's not a simulated copy that started on that date. Even the festival ferris wheel is prevented from going too high to stop characters from seeing past the edge of Hometown. The characters used PROCEED to clip past the edge of the map and reach the outside. There's going to be consequences
>>574677180I honestly love weed but I don't love psychosis so I don't do it anymore...
>>574677620>>574677648>>574677679>>574677746smoke weed errydaay>>574677728cya laters fren! :D
>>574677746no idea who you are so you can't be that bad
>>574631782>>574677660Is there a video that explains the theory but more concisely I refuse to believe any theory needs 10 hours
>>574672590I'd really love to go on holiday with her
>>574677718Magic doesn't exist in the light world so either Muffet is a Darkner or it wasn't Muffet who sold Pink the magic tea
>>574677679preach!but its getting better.the only perma-homosexual here is numbers.the rows are thinning~
>>574677747trying to figure out how grok does its translation is a quick path to insanity
>>574677660Half of the 10 hours imploded the moment Flowery started a battle with the Knight using a Floraddin. The theory survives on people wanting to have a foundation to build on top of and the file names which do imply two layers to reality before the Darkworlds appear. Everything else tacked on top of it just falls apart, though
>>574677832>>574677834>>574677875how baaa'd can i bee~~?
>>574677494>if the lake inversion chant is what onion was referring toI doubt the song from the sea foreshadowed since Undertale is going to be a short phase inverted clip of another song
>>574677856Most of it is character analysis and the videos came out before Chapters 3 and 4. They serve more as touchstones for the theoryfags than as actual theories
I can't wait for more vague descriptions of important events. I love reading forced mystery like "when THAT happened". I can't wait for chapters 6 and 7 to explain and resolve nothing past the most surface level plot. I need at least 10 more years of theory crafting where every theory is diametrically opposed to all other theories despite them all having solid evidence and being backed up by unused text in code, ARG and a hint in an obscure dialog. I will then wait patiently for a new Toby Fox project that has transparent text in Wingdings font on the promo website.
>>574677832I don't attach images to my posts and it's harder to identify schizo text than it is filenames
>>574677579Well, he can already teleport. Why would he have game breaking abilities and not his basic magic attacks?
Nuking the fan designs from orbit by having Dess be the same height as Noelle with even lighter hair.
My 2 cents on Deltarune's gameplay is that in the first 2 chapters it's an improvement over Undertale with the party system and being able to spare/pacify multiple enemies in 1 turn. But then you keep playing and you remember why Undertale was only 4 hours long. The mercy and fight system barely evolves except in ch5 Susie gets scythemare, which I know you didn't use.Linda Cube Again is a game where the incentive is to capture generic enemies, doing too much damage will kill them and you don't gain exp from killing. This means you have to be considerate to not over-level. You're encouraged to bring a weaker weapon for squishier encounters so you don't accidentally kill them. Hence why a really good early game weapon is the Rat Whip, a low damage AOE weapon.In Deltarune, a violence pacifist run is possible as attacking will tire out enemies. But there's almost no incentive to play this way as we don't have specialized weapons or skills that do minor AOE damage.It really says something that most players scoffed at the Aqua Knife because pacifist players don't need crits and it's inferior to the Black Shard. The sad thing is it didn't have to be this way.What if the Aqua Knife was a low damage weapon that inflicted a fuckton of tired on generics? Now we don't have to stick with 1 Kris weapon, we have 2 weapons for 2 distinctly different purposes.Imagine we had a bunch of low damage gimmicky equipment, ones that have a chance to stun enemies, ones that AOE, that have a chance weaken the enemies' next attack, etc... There's just a ton of things tobysoft can do to make equipment and opportunity cost more engaging.
>mystery boxKill? Yourself.
>>574677856skip to herehttps://youtu.be/0UUrelL0WEs?t=389&si=hWSQWkFjNbRT5PGk
https://youtu.be/I97gayYbU5sEver time I see Suselle I get a pit in my stomach.
let's make a list of reasons why doomer is a piece of shit that nobody likes when he's not here.
>fuck the prophecy that thing that the player doesn’t get to know about is definitely not happening okay? we’re gonna save Undyne and enter the shelter!!!!>WOOOWWWW THE FESTIVAL I AM THE GIRL FINDING LOVE WEEEEEEEEEEEE UH OH ASGORE’S GONE WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING TOMORROW KRISBravo Susie.
>>574677856tl;dw the player interfaces with the world of Deltarune via a device that connects your reality to that world and a lot of the game-like quirks come from the device, also Gaster made the device. There are other aspects to the theory but they're mostly extraneous.
WTF WTFnutdealer.com/yet-another-him.png
I don’t want to go back to threadpillar hell.
>>574678278some folk hate doomerfren because he simply appears too powerful
>>574678301So like a simulation?
>>574678278REASON #1:chrono cross fan
>>574678180You're describing short Carol
>>574677972>Half of the 10 hours imploded the moment Flowery started a battle with the Knight using a Floraddinhow does this contradict the theory at all
*starts beating off really aggressively* AUGG!!! AUGHHH OOUYGGHHH!!!!
>>574678301I don't think the part where the game stuff is part of the device is going to survive Ralsei and Flowery editing their stats and talking about the menu
>>574678241>the epic yuri coupleclosed out.nah, man.
>>574678370i hate him because he's a retard who spams the thread when he's angy
>>574678196I don't think it'll happen in-game but it'd be really cool to see Susie's reaction to WR lake scene Noelle.
>>574675872Popular trend, funny origin, and great practice to insert character into photos.
>>574678278I hate poopcockschizo.
>>574678425here, this is for you>>574678502>angy
>>574678409IIRC it rejects the idea that the world is a simulation and instead insists that the fake-seeming elements all come from the device, but admittedly I haven't watched it since it first came out so maybe I'm misremembering this
god why is everyone in this thread so underaged
>>574678415REASON #2:expects attention and acceptance, pays you back with disdain.
/v/ WAIT COME BAAAAACK
>>574678471The entire game builds up Susie and Kris only for Noelle to steal her from us.It's shit.
>>574678653Us? “Us?”>usUs???
>>574678563so you condone the thread spam? not surprised really since you're a shitposter yourself.
>>574678409No, Device Theory wants you to believe that the connection enabled by the device is a connection to another world, even when that makes no sense>>574678424If you watch the full 6 hours of part 3 you will see a bunch of stuff get smuggled in along with the device parts. Most of the extra stuff is contradicted by the characters engaging with the game mechanics without us. Flowery doesn't have use a soul to start a battle, or choose commands. He acts like the videogame parts of his world are completely natural
>>574678653remember: the prophecy breaks apart after ch5, ch6 exists but has no name or theme.whatever happens, is going to be BAD.
>>574678609I'm fucking 30
guys what's a good alternative for catbox?asking cause it seems to be a little unstable rn.
>>574678798Little baby. Little milk-drinking baby girl.
>>574678168lmaodo you think lancer has a face or is the hood just attached to his body
Your goat’s his boyfriend!
REASON #3:Haughty with no parrallel.
>>574678720never said that, stop putting words in my mouth>>574678892420 blaze it
>>574659317My drawing skills may not be adequate, but my passion for Chara is what matters most for me.My angel, my salvation.I have to thank the other anon who drew them, as they were my inspiration for it.
>>574675301>Can't see the immense difference in implicationsI know what Flowey's message is, that even if they're a lower level of existence the souls of Undertale deserve to respected instead of being tormented for our amusement (or the very least if you go Geno, fucking own up to it and don't be a coward, wear those wings of Hell with pride with your partner). I'm just wondering where the actionable difference is because...>Yes because he's an immortal sociopath...You're saying he wouldn't be a sociopath if he recognized he's just files in the code, that he'd be morally justified in executing all the torture he's wrought? Whether he's discovering Undertale.EXE's actual dialogue files or has disillusioned himself with the underground so hard via the RESETs, that they may as well be just lines of dialogue to him lead to the same result. He's still on a higher level of cosmic awareness compared to Aaron or Toriel, and uses it to make the underground his playground, as much as he can anyway (we did interrupt him on a down spell, if he had a couple hundred more years in-universe he'd likely figure out the canisters would've needed engineering documentation and find a way around Asgore that way).>Then why does Asriel not just resolve to control the game forever if he's somehow enlightened by being a flowerBecause his will loses to a being of a higher level, (You). The point of Omega Flowey, is that you're humbling Flowey at his own game. You're showing him that for as much as he understands, for as much power as he had, there is one more divine than him. Whether he recognizes that as The Real World (TM) or Heaven doesn't matter because the point is still reached, Flowey is lacking.(1/2); Weird route's getting its own post.
>>574678879*attacks you with the glare from my receding hairline*
>>574678737the creator of the theory themselves doesn't seem to believe the flowery knight battle contradicts the theory
>>574679164pretty cooool i like seeing these charas lately
https://litter.catbox.moe/xi2tcf7eyzvp40lb.png
>>574679191*deflects your pitiful attack with my permanently flaccid penis*
>>574678415cut it there no further evidence needed
REASON#4:Can't take Criticism, can't take a "No".
>>574678714Yes us.Me and Kris, my homie.My good pal.My sharer of lizard women based ideals.The man I've been winging for.>>574678797Love conquers all.
>>574678986but that's not kris/vessel/me
>>574677767>There's going to be consequencesI'm not disagreeing with this I'm disagreeing that hometown "exists in a game" because Undertale and Deltarune are their own universes that are not "just video games." There SHOULD be something out there according to Toby, and there isn't so there must be something very wrong with hometown. I think whatever the weird route is "skipping to" is a place and event the normal route will get to one way or another but it will happen differently. The weird route, fundamentally, cannot be outside the confines of the prophecy or "the ending.">>574678067Why not? Onion was alluding to SOMETHING down there and we heard something. Noelle's theme song playing at the bottom of the lake you drive her to drown with you in seems pretty significant
>>574679286goata goat to bed now, cya tomorrow chat
>>574677442if you like ralsei you have to be wholesome everywhere else only here can i say i want to see him stuffed with so much [[Hyperlink Blocked]] that he starts leaving a slug trail wherever he walks
>>574679281Thank you, anon.I'll make sure to draw more soon.
>>574679262Well yeah, anon. When you have people tonguing your asshole for over half a decade you are going to have trouble admitting the theory has problems in light of new evidence
utg is dyingpost pink cat to kill it faster
>>574679417>love conquers all.under those conditions, i prefer saturation bombardement until the land is stripped of life.
>>574679472Deltarune is a videogame. Deal with it. Not replying to your dumb ass anymore. You think Toby Fox set up this weird fucking network of subjacent realities to keep the Light World fully real? Retard
The Light World is real because there'll be a Hometown theme park in Disneyworld schedule for opening at 2030 where you can meet Kris and Susie IRL
Going to the gym because I know fave would be proud of me
>LE EVERYTHING WAS LE FAKE ALL ALONGthis is shit
It's so lame that making a dark world in a dark world just makes an angry giant
>>574679646giwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwmgiwtwm
>look for a deltarune shitcord>there are only 3 options to speak of>a) super safe space for children where mere vulgarity or implication of anything adult is enough to get you permabanned>b) "chud" deltarune servers ran by unironic shartyteen mexcrements>c) porn servers where nobody actually played the gamemaking fun of me seriously looking for a groomercord to lurk in aside, not like there is any place even worth considering joining to begin withim stuck in this shit generalget me outta here
Since were posting Ralseis can we post Ralseis and Clovers?
>>574679910>Th-this story... it was... DOUBLE FAKE??????? that's so much less real than normal fake!
>>574680003surely you can find a server with your fellow mewtrannies you trannies live on trannycord
I haven’t really followed the debate you two are having but isn’t the obvious message Toby is setting up not that everything is “fictitious” and unreal, but that everything is in the most important sense real? That “fantasies” which seem impotent and pointless and insubstantial are actually determining influences on our reality? That the worlds of our fantasies are a reflection of our own world just like our world is a reflection of a higher world? Everything images/pictures/represents everything else, it’s a big holistic hierarchy of constant mutual formation and interaction. Like, this seems to be what’s going on to me pretty clearly, the Dark Worlds represent what is going on in Hometown and what is going on in Hometown (and by extension the Dark Worlds) reflects what life in our world is like. Ralsei feels trapped, Noelle feels trapped, real people feel trapped.
>>574680087i can't there ISN'T ANY
>>574679472Because lake inversion chant literally just the GND segment of Festival phase inverted and originates from 2024 according to metadata. Toby wouldn't be so careless with something he included as foreshadowing for Deltarune all the way back in Undetale when other important songs were composed around 2015 to 2018 and are actual songs rather than distorted clips of other songs.
>>574680292what does he taste like? this is an edible size
>>574680102There are more than 2 anons in this. I joined late. I don't think Toby Fox is saying any of that because the Darkworlds don't reflect Hometown. That's just people stuck with the early chapters overanalyzing everything out of desperation
>>574680341Marshmallow and mint
>>574680363You don’t think the Flowers are a picture of the Dreemurr household?
>>574679174>I'm just wondering where the actionable difference is because...You've gotta be missing the point on purpose I refuse to believe you took this long to respond and don't get it still. The difference isn't for Flowey, he isn't more or less real than anyone else in the world either way the difference is for what that means for the context of the universe he exists in. Genuinely you have to be trolling. If Flowey knows he's in a video game and exists in a state of enlightenment why would he lose it by becoming a godlike being? This is all ignoring that the context for him saying "this is all a game" is him saying he wants to "play" with frisk because they're the only other person "like" him and represent and endless amount of new possibilities to explore.>He's still on a higher level of cosmic awareness compared to Aaron or TorielOkay yes because he can perceive shifts in time-space at a higher level than other characters because he had save/load powers. Sans also has awareness of time-space manipulation, is he also aware that he's in a video game to that degree? Spoiler warning: he isn't, he's observing a real phenomena and its effects on his world >(You)Didn't play the game award, the save/load powers belong to frisk not the player. >Whether he recognizes that as The Real World (TM) or Heaven doesn't matter because the point is still reachedNot only is "the real world" not a stated concept in either Undertale or Deltarune, "heaven" is not a lore concept in Undertale. Flowey doesn't know "you" exist, he rationalizes frisk appearing as Chara reappearing as a coping mechanism. Flowey is not a divine being and he does see Frisk as a higher power, he knows what "determination" is and recognizes that frisk must simply have "more" than him. You're exposing how much you're just making shit up and I'm gonna stop assuming you're arguing in good faith, your weird route reply will probably be even more disingenuous and retarded
>>574680003Oldfag here. Unironically I miss days of forums. Last good one I got to enjoy was Smashboards for Super Smashing Fighters.I wonder if Toby misses Starman Forum days.
>>574680506>>574680506>>574680506hopschef on
Noelle is probably completely wrong about what's going on and Kris is letting her believe what she wants so long as it gets them that lake skip
>>574680250Okay? You understand toby had written the outlines for Deltarune before undertale right? You understand that the story concept of the "song coming from the sea" and what it was going to be and how we were going to experience could exist without the actual song being written right? The actual song is the least important part here, it's the context and scenario around it
>>574680102I don't think Toby set out to make something that simple. Fundamentally I think he wants to do weird stuff with the idea of the player being an active participant in what is happening in the fiction they consume. He wants the game to acknowledge (Us) and maybe even reject (Us). Stacking layers of reality on top of each other and putting characters in them is important because he's not making some religious allegory. He's not describing the armies of heaven and the regiments of hell in broad strokes and giving you an interpretation of how the world works. He's forcing you to confront that fictional being can make you care about them, engage emotionally, and that you should do that consciously and not by accident. When he ups the difficulty by revealing the characters are double or triple fictional within their own context a lot of people are going to fall off, and he's expecting that. It's Expedition 33 type stuff
>>574680642>The actual song is the least important part hereYou don't understand Undertale and Deltarune
>>574680468The only thing I remember from the starman forums is being a part of an earthbound romhack that replaced the names and designs of every enemy with custom designs and names created by one forum member per enemy.Come to think of it I wonder it Toby created a monster for that romhack? Wouldnt surprise me
>>574680440Is Toriel a gay black man? No, they are not a picture of the household. They are somewhat inspired by them because the flowers were alive for 20 years doing whatever thinking flowers are capable of, and maybe some of them latched onto things like Flowery latched onto Asgore's stories from college and Yellow latched onto this idea of Asgore's cowboy show he wanted to watch and his ideal of being a cop. They are not connected beyond that. They don't reveal anything about the characters and they can reflect more than 1 character at a time
>>574680735>some religious allegoryA metaphysical picture of the world that informs the intrinsic value of the arts and human creative endeavor isn’t just “some religious allegory” that can be dismissed out of hand. I don’t see how the game’s thematic focus on freedom and the simultaneous profound significance and insignificance of our decisions makes sense without the assumption of the models of layering/imaging and the affirmation of the reality and value of the Dark Worlds and Hometown. Like, it seems obvious to me that Toby is saying something not just about the emotional significance of fiction but about the nature of freedom in our own world and highlighting how our situation resembles the situation of characters in these hierarchically organized layers of fantasy.
>>574680981You’re literally ceding the point, though. You admit that Flowers reflect the Dreemurr household. I never said that reflection is 1:1, just like no fiction reflects our own world 1:1.
>>574681206*affirms the intrinsic value of the arts
>>574681206You don't see it but I do see it. The game is is grounded in an hiperrealist ideology. It doesn't want you to believe in fake things. It wants you to care about fake things without believing them.>>574681314No, I actually don't think Seth reflects anyone from the household. Green likes the idea of food and Toriel cooks, but that's an interest, not a reflection, and she's definitely not somehow Carol like some anons have said in the past. Orange will never be based on Noelle. They are mostly their own people raised by Asgore. They are Kris' and Asriel's half-siblings in that way. None of them are inferior copies of anyone else
>>574682261They don’t reflect the literal individuals in a straightforward way but they reflect the total situation in a way that is highly informative, just like any fiction reflects the lived situation of human beings and types of human characters or relationship without literally reproducing them.
>>574682487Except that's not true. I don't agree with you that that's true. Blue and Yellow are in love. Asgore and Toriel are not. None of the flowers have disengaged from family, friends and society the way Kris clearly had before the start of the game. There are no fault lines. Most of the characters come in sets of 2, but the people in the household are not paired that way. We've never seen Asriel and we barely know anything about Carol. This theory that they match up and reflect stuff is just vibes
>>574682924Trying to organize them according to some literal Dreemurr family taxonomy is the wrong way to go about things. It’s not “vibes,” different characters and relationships reflect different things at different times. The world is a fantasy that proceeds from the mind of one member of the house and the Flowers are formed as individuals by the love of another
>>574678220well the Aquaknife is actually the way to go for Pacifists because it has one more DEF than Jingleblade. But it's true that people only pick it because they like Aqua and not because of its own merit
>>574683120The flowers have their own love for Asgore that doesn't belong to anyone else and they're not Darkners so the old theories about Darkners don't even match them in that way. They want to live out their individual flower dreams. But I can see why you want it to be something else: You are not strong enough to accept them for what they are. There has to be some allegory that makes them special and meaningful because otherwise they're just flowers. I've got news for you anon. That's all they need to be
>>574683414I’m not saying that they don’t have value in themselves? That’s a bizarre interpretation of what I said. I think it’s pretty transparently obvious that you’re intended to read Asgore’s treatment of them as analogous to his treatment of his own children, and for example Aqua is a pretty transparent image of Kris, which Aqua herself points out several times. Even the way she references Jevil is there to highlight that she is a picture of Kris who participates in the same shared fiction that proceeds from their imagination/has been established from Chapter 1 in Card Kingdom. That’s not to say that they are one in the same, but even down to the red ribbon and knives like the game just aggressively throws this idea of imaging at you
>>574683743So we're back to reflecting literal individuals in a straightforward way? What happened to the total situation? We don't know that Asgore gave the flowers individual attention and chose who each one was for them. I don't personally think so, at all. I do think Aqua takes after Kris in some way, but Aqua is older than Kris. There's also the possibility that what that implies is that Kris talked to Aqua. Maybe because she's their favorite color. Kris was raised alongside the flowers but Aqua shows no sign of Kris' insecurities. There's nothing informative there, just some pretty well-written implied past of flowers existing in a place and loving their caretaker. A "What if Toy Story was about the toys trying to help Andy" story that never was. Again, the reason you're struggling with this is because you can't accept this, because of your own hangups. You probably struggle with the fact that you're just a monkey sitting in front of a computer. You are not an allegory for anything else either.
>>574684303The Flowers as a total group cannot be neatly divided so as to provide a perfect imaging or representation of the Dreemurr household. That does NOT mean that there is not imaging between individuals AT ALL. Aqua is, at least in my opinion, exceptional in that she is the clearest and most vivid image of all, which the game itself again hammers home to you again and again. You invent this entirely speculative backstory for Aqua, assert that she has some special history with Kris (even though this is literally never implied even once and she demonstrates no particular familiarity with Kris at all, in fact one of her defining characteristics is being flighty and inattentive), and then boldly claim that this is obvious and try to psychoanalyze me and talk about my “hangups,” which must be psychologically problematic “hangups” because they suggest a view of the world that isn’t as obviously nihilistic as your own. You are desperate to read the game as reductively as possible and it’s agitating.
>>574684869Bro, the one speculating a background for the flowers was you. There is no magical connection between Aqua and Kris besides that of siblings. You can mald about it if you want, but Aqua didn't tell you anything about Kris you didn't already know if you paid attention to the rest of the chapters. What do you want me to tell you? Good job anon you know so much now. Toriel was secretly a gay black man under that monster skin? Saying there's the possibility that Aqua is influenced strongly by Kris due to Kris interacting with that flower as a child is signposted as speculation by my word choice. All we have is speculation because there is no actual information there. You yourself are speculating some magical allegorical connection that you somehow think is less difficult to prove lmao
>>574679164Theres always someone worse than you so dont downplay yourself anyon. Those feet are really well done, the face too is super cute. I could never get lines that stable or proportions that balanced / mirrored.
>>574685315It’s not a “magical connection,” the Dark Worlds are fantasies! Fantasies which are shaped by the determination of their creator! That reflect their minds, their will, their desires, their memories! The Flowers as individuals are molded by the love of Asgore, who talks to them about his family situation! They are a reflection! They are intimately tied to their history! Is toddler Kris talking to Aqua about CHAOS, CHAOS! and THE WORLD REVOLVING? No, Toriel is not a gay black man, but qualities of Toriel are reflected in a gay black man and you can learn about Toriel through him! This is not difficult! This is just how Deltarune works! And can you stop insulting me? All you’ve done from the beginning is be dismissive and mock me for no reason! I haven’t been rude to you in the slightest!
>>574685667Like, Aqua literally has a human soul ribbon!!! Nobody dumped soul lore/exposition to her! Even if they did, she wouldn’t get it or care!
>>574685667The flowers are their own dreams anon. They are not shaped by someone else because they're not darkners
>>574685841The Flowers are not just Darkners, that doesn’t mean they are totally dissimilar to Darkners in every way.
>>574685943They are who they are. They are Kris' flower-siblings getting to act like people for a day, not people drawn from the fantasy of objects. Think of it as an episode where the dog can talk.
>>574686347They are who they are, but even on the reading that nothing about Kris’ will and memory is communicated to them (which again can’t make sense of obscure connections like that between Aqua and Jevil to me, or Flowery’s belief that Kris “already knows what he thinks of them”), they are clearly shaped by what Asgore has told them. Like, Flowery is trying to be Asgore’s “college roommate” because he knows about Rudy’s sickness. Yellow wants to be a cowboy himself, and wants to provide joy to Asgore by being a cowboy because he heard about cowboy shows from him. Green wants to be a chef because Asgore would rave about going to the diner and Toriel’s cooking. Blue is consumed with a passion for the love for Toriel Asgore described to him. They have been formed as individuals by what Asgore has told them. They are shaped by external circumstances and reflect the circumstances and history of the Dreemurr household.
>>574686858I don't understand why you're so wrapped up in this idea that there was a magical interchange of information and soulful communication that resulted in the flowers as we see them when Seth literally confirms Kris talked to them ahead of time and arranged a bribe. The flowers were already who they were before the dark fountain gave them the power to exist as higher-order human-like people
>>574687180Because this is the pattern according to which every Dark World functions. That’s literally what they are. They’re fantasies, they’re dreams, and that’s a big part of what makes the game interesting, is that exploring the Dark World is exploring the past and the psychology of a character. Like engaging with any work of fiction is engaging with its author. Kris doesn’t talk a lot, but they’ve made a lot of fountains, and the Dark Worlds they’ve made can tell us a lot about who they are and who they were.>kris talked to them beforehandTo one of them, maybe two at most if you read Flowery’s comments in that way. Aqua demonstrates no familiarity with Kris whatsoever. Neither does Orange. Or Yellow, or Blue, or Green.
so is chapter 5 filler more or less like chapter 3?
>>574687559You want that to be the pattern, but it isn't even for the other ones. Deal with it. There never will be solid evidence that Darkners reflect stuff about Lightners. They reflect the history of objects, not people
>>574689931>deal with itWhy are you like this? And the Darkners are the product of the interplay between the creative will of the Lightner who creates the Fountain AND the objective history of the object.
>>574690231If you come back to this dying thread consider this: when Susie creates the Second Sanctuary, she is willing to go back to a Dark World that has already been impressed upon her imagination. But even then she can’t bring it back exactly as it is, the “lighting of the mind has shifted,” the author has changed. The entire geography of the place changes, different objects are animated and assume different roles. The whole place is more brutish and confused, reflecting Susie’s own difficulties with expressing herself creatively. Think of the way the piano puzzle changes to become more violent. The Dark World is the fantasy of its author. Darkners like Tenna are original characters made objectively perceivable to others
>>574691785Sure, and yet there is nothing you can point at that shows a Darkner is based on someone else. Not a single thing. Darkners are imaginary creations and the fountain creator brings them to life, but they are not "reflecting literal individuals in a straightforward way" with the sole exception of Gerson. They don't have Lightworld referents other than objects and they don't exist as allegories for people. They're entirely new
>>574692080Okay so the specific thing you take issue with is that memories of or feelings about an individual might have an effect on the formation of a Darkner? How does this make any sense? Dark Worlds are works of fiction
Hello, can any kind anon post that one image strip about the dog and the cheese theory about Kris and Noelle together or something along those lines?
>>574692158Your pet theory that it works that way is unfalsifiable. You can argue that Queen is based on Carol because the fountain is reflecting the archetype of a controlling mother until you're blue in the face and I can just say "Queen is the computer and she's controlling and invasive because that's an inherently valid interpretation for the personality of a computer". When Susie creates a fountain, the Darkners in it are the de-petrified ancestors that were already present in the previous one. They're not original OCs drawn from Susie's style and personality. A different fountain with Queen in it might depict her differently, or petrify her, but she will always be Queen and not a different computer character
>>574692840It seems implausible to say that the will of the author has a determinative effect on the Dark World itself, but not on any of its inhabitants. Like, they’re dreams, psychological projections. That’s why you can find the forgotten man, a repressed memory given form, if you read between the lines, go in-between. Isn’t he a Dark World entity shaped in the image of a Lightner? It seems plausible, at least. The Darkners in the Second Sanctuary are the ancestors because Susie is attempting to create the same fantasy, but even then she can’t do it perfectly. Yes I’m not saying that the objective history of the object is irrelevant, it is in fact very important, the point is though that Darkners are the result of the operation of the will of the author upon the objects, not JUST the objects themselves. The things you see in the dark are reflections of your own psychology and experience. It makes sense that Queen would be similar but not exactly the same if someone else made the Cyber World, I agree with that. But reading Queen as not being a mother figure is only becoming more implausible as time goes on, given her new dialogue in Chapter 5 about being a mommy and giving birth. I think it’s a good point that being invasive is a computer thing, I think it’s a both/and, like Elnina and Lanino fight both because the TV was around when domestic disputes were going on AND because Kris is the author of the world and this is a trauma expressing itself possibly involuntarily
