Previous Thread: >>575323118>Guides, Resources and useful links:https://rentry.org/bagguides>/bag/Circles/Clubs/Friends:https://rentry.org/holdingthebag>4koma, Manga, Side Content, PVs & Shortshttps://rentry.org/bacontent>>(JP) – JST>Banners:>7/22 11:00 – 7/29 10:59Makoto (Limited)Ako (Dress – Limited)SatsukiChiakiKanna (Swimsuit)>News:5.5th Anniversary Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/live/tQ4z_gAngHc – 7/26 15:00Patch notes: https://bluearchive.jp/news/newsJump/673>Events:Balancing Schale's Books with the General Student Council – 7/22 11:00 – 7/29 10:59>Content:Limit Break Assault: Tiphareth (Indoor – w/Elastic Armor) – 6/25 11:00 – 7/29 3:592x Normal – 7/22 4:00 – 7/29 3:59>>(GLOBAL) – UTC>Banners:>7/21 After Maint – 8/4 1:59RenaKonokaHare (Camp)Kotama (Camp)Maki (Camp)Misaki>News:Patch notes: https://forum.nexon.com/bluearchive-en/board_view?thread=3501827>Events:Kivotos' Unsolved Mystery: In Search of Tsuchinoko, the Unknown Creature – 7/21 After Maint – 8/4 1:59Arona's Dice Game Event! – 6/23 After Maint – 8/18 1:59My Office: https://bluearchive.nexon.com/user/myoffice>Content:Total Assault: Goz (Field) – 7/28 2:00 – 8/3 18:59Limit Break Assault: Tiphareth (Indoor – w/Elastic Armor) – 7/22 2:00 – 8/17 18:592x Bounty – 7/20 19:00 – 7/27 18:592x Normal – 7/27 19:00 – 8/3 18:59
Before:>get banner student at 190, do 10 more pulls for another banner studentNow:>get banner student at 190, do up to 200 more pulls for another banner student
Here's the results for the predictions made yesterday.Turns out /bag/ is pretty good at guessingCongratulations baggots!
new Moi
Its no longer possible to get 4 rateup students in under 200 rolls now huh?
Is the new gacha system bad or good?I don't have to read a thing to know the answer. The answer is very simple:Why would they change the system to be nicer to the player? Especially a system already known for it's generosity?You realize that these guys count every penny and their money guys have already made exact, precise calculations to a far more advanced degree than anything you faggots with chat jippity could muster.Literally why would they introduce a change that would make you spend less?Do you think they expect you to go "golly, the system was generous to me today, I'll buy some pakeji"?
My Wide Bride
devs knew that it would be controversial so we got a stream with no crowd this time around.shameless
soon
Before:>get banner student at 190, do 10 more pulls for another banner studentNow:>get banner student at 50, do up to 50 more pulls for another banner studentI love this new system
Kei merch on stream. Shut the fuck up.
Nips won't do shit. They'll just let this happen.
Why did they remove guaranteed sparksI don't like gambling, fuck off
>1 hour threadWhat revived the hype?
Wakamo
the genshittification of Blue Archive is finally among us
>>575326770we don't know if we're not try it yet
>have exactly 24k pyro>roll for the 1st student and win the 50/50>roll for the 2nd student and lose the 50/50ok now what?
Gehenna killed the game
remember where you were before eos
We have to go back in time and stop Pandemonium fes from happening.
>>575326749gacha changes tweethttps://x.com/Blue_ArchiveJP/status/2081354265256468538
>>575326770you've posted this last thread
>mathsDoesn't count.>my feelingsCount.
>>575326898>do up to 50 more pulls for another banner studentbut that's a lie
Guess it's finally time to make a Satsuki folder.
I miss Pikachuman....
DEFEND THIS SHITYou objectively cannot defend this change
>>575326898lmaoif you got the banner student the points reset to 0 lil nigga
The only explanation I can have for this change is that Part 2 is really the endgame and they really want players away from investing further so they can release RX with no internal cannibalization problems.Meanwhile the traitors are winning, bigly if I dare say.
Oh shit what about keystone farming and bondfagging? It's over
>>575326770Before:>get bannet student at 200, do 200 more pulls for another banner studentNow:>75% chance to get banner student at 100, do another 100 pulls for another 75% chance for the other banner student
We are going so fast no one will notice this Hina.
>>575326963cry about it
>>575326963If you want two new students you'll have to pay up now piggy.
Remember to thank the Nips for beta-testing all the experimental features.
>>575326749Monogatari vibes
>100 pre-fes free rollsGod imagine the collective asshurt of everyone who will lose their pre-fes coinflip. Lmao me included
I wish every game had the Trickcal pity system.
why the fuck would you copy hoyo's slopwhy the fuck would you copy hoyo's slopwhy the fuck would you copy hoyo's slopwhy the fuck would you copy hoyo's slop
Did we just witnessed the turning point before BA starts reclining? Add me into the screenshot.
>before>roll 200 rolls and get no rate ups>have to spark only a single student>after>roll 200 rolls and win the 50/50 twice>get 2 students
>Old systemLuckshit the banner unit, still can get a dupe.>New systemLuckshit the banner unit, the pity resets and you have to gamble from zero.
THIS LITERALLY BENEFITTED EVERYONE BUT AT THE SAME TIME FUCKED US TO GET EXTRA ELEPHS FROM THE BANNER STUDENTS
>>575326857I can see the writing on the wall, it's clear they did this to squeeze out more money from players. I was just hoping BA would be spared from such shit. My students deserve better than this.
>>575326925
>>575326857>>575326879You were trying this same thing with archive recruitment. The fact you're seething this hard is proof Blue Archive won, and that you know it, and are crying about it.
>can't get extra elephs anymore without paypiggingFUCK OFF
>>575326749Holy fucking shit. I want to fuck Ibuki so damn bad. I can't stand it anymore. Every time I see her in the cafe I get a massive erection. I've seen literally every pixiv post there is of her online. My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with Ibuki. I'm sick of waking up every morning with six nuts in my boxers and knowing that those are nuts that should've been busted inside of Ibuki's tight cunny. I want her to have my mutant succubi/human babies.Fuck, my fucking mom caught me trying to sneak into my neighbors house. I had a fake pair of horns with wings and a tail with me. She hasn't said a word to me in 10 hours and I'm worried she's gonna take away my phone. I may never be able to see Ibuki again
>>575327013Chiakifags (me) have won bigly
>>575326941
I only care about Pandemonium
My canon wife Fuuka...
>>575326770Even worse, you get a useless dupe every 50/50. Then, you get the actual student on the other featured banner instead of the student featured in that banner, resetting your progress back to 200. The more featured student banners there are for each event, the higher the chances they will steal your 200 rolls and you don't want them to begin with. This is totally a generous system for people wanting only one character in all of the banners
>>575327003Two can play at that game you dumb fuck.Your stupid one off examples don't fucking matter.Only the math matters.
Sensei!It's me Paimon, your new best friend in Teyva-I mean Kivotos!!Arona?? Who?? She doesn't work here anymore.Now let me narrate 90% of the story for you with my funny quips as you lose your next seven 50/50's heehee~!
what's this
>>575327062globalchads winning as usual
>>575327087Unironically maybe if they don't reverse the change. JP is already getting pissed about it, so we'll see.
It wouldn't be bad if they changed the hard pity to 150 or something
>>575326976pokegod and dorogod have spoken
>Multiple anons have already shown that the new system is slightly better than or roughly equal to the old one in most cases>Some anons are still complainingWhy are you like this? Do you just hate it because it’s new? Yeah, getting the featured student at pull 190 would feel awful, but under the new system you’re much more likely to get her well before that point.
>>575326963Pay
>>575327003I'll win every 50/50
>>575327087we got seia asmr so declining has been delayed for a bit longer
nexon finally showing their true colors
>>575326770@Arona is this real?
Hikari
>>575327204>my digital genie from mumbai says the system is doubleplusgoodTry harder
satsuki's violent saggers
>>575327062It will arrive early in the FOX banners so count your days Globalniggers.
>>575326963you can't buy elephs at 200, just got lucky to get the two at 200 but can't exchange anything because it'll reset at 100
>>575327204how else am I supposed to get keystones?
>>575327152Are you retarded? You don't get to redeem a student at 100. What is even the point of this image except to mislead people?
>mixed limited and perma banners are separated for good nowwow so good
>>575327226it's revenge for stella sora flopping isn't it?
>>575326914not now wakamo, we're discussing the new gacha system
Thank you Nexon for thinking about the players' pyrox. What an amazing company that thinks about the wellness their customers. Truly one of a kind
>>575327026if you got the student at 200 you just immediately sparked the next one you dumb retard>>575327003only a few mihomofags who got lost on their way to their shit general are defending it
>>575327204But you need to get lucky TWICE. That's twice more than previously.
Reminder to not listen to the retards saying the new system is worseaverage rolls required for 1 students - old: 111.25023, new: 90.130632average rolls required for 2 students - old: 196.99653, new: 180.271349average rolls required for 3 students - old: 280.15936, new: 270.173051average rolls required for 4 students - old: 364.84596, new: 360.22351
>>575327081>chink publisher is known for being jewish >gook devs whose owner is known for being jewish guess it was inevitable...
>>575327087>>575327226you wont do shit.nexon has you by the balls with the character design monopoly. what the fuck are you going to do?play chinkslop?play aislop like nikke or cuck dust 2?lmao you will roll 50/50 and you will like it, gweilo
>>575326960we do know, this is how it was described on stream
THIS IS BAD BECAUSE I'M A DUMB LUCKNIGGER WHO NEVER HAD TO DOUBLESPARKI'M QUITTING EOS EOOOOSSSS
>>575327003I can. I win every 50/50. QED
>>575327162dick impalement
>>575326749ABSOLUTE PANDEMONIUM VICTORY>>575327162ABSOLUTE TRANNY DEFEAT>>575327204THEY COMPLAIN BECAUSE BLUE ARCHIVE HAS TRIUMPHED ONCE AGAIN
>>575327208Hikari nozomi and aoba are so cute!
>>575327273>You don't get to redeem a student at 100You don't get to redeem a student at 170 either
>>575327152Old system>Nozomi at 170>Hikari at 200total spent>200 pullsNew system>Nozomi at 170>Hikari after another 100 pullstotal spent>270 pullsLOLLMAO
>>575327256
you will roll
I hate corpos so much it's unreal
Well, I might as well start looking at other pathways. How’s Uma?
>>575327162FUCK YOU KYSI HATE GENSHITI HATE GENSHITI HATE ITTTTTT KYS NEXON KYSSSSSS
>>575327287Trying times are when you need to be strong
I can't do complicated math, this is why we should just share everything.
EOP here, was there an explicit mention of the abolishment of “spark” points? I’m coping hard here because if they really will push through with the pity system, my type of luck will ultimately fuck me over with this system. Too many times have I got the first featured student appearing at 150th roll onwards so having it reset just to be able to get the 2nd featured character sounds miserable
>>575327208All best girls are welfare
>>575327273ok i fixed
>>575327280Nexon didn't make Xtella Xora...
>>575327274The pity would reset any way retard. Whether the points are shared or not do not matter.
>i-i-it's worse i swear!!! no i haven't done the math>who cares if it's better on average? my feelings don't care about your facts (you are here)>i'm sorry for trying to drag your game down with misinformation nexon-sama please don't arrest me again
Stella Sora is Stella Soaring! Join now BA bros!
>>575327204>you’re much more likely to get her well before that point.I don't trust anything other than guarantees. "much more likely" isn't good enough. "better on average" isn't good enough. You're losing valuable safety nets and in return get to gamble more.
Facts don't care about your feelings. The new system is better if you're not a retard, people are only complaining because they don't understand the numbers behind it. Just look at the people losing their shits when you show them how Monty Hall works.
>>575327335now do expected amount of elephs from doing 200 rolls
>I'll keep changing the md5 on this image until you saars finally give up and uninstall
Enjoy your reward.
Neru
>reverse jeets using chatgpt to make the system look good>izzat received
>>575327152>defenders don't even understand the system they defendholy fuck dude
>>575327407censored and extremely grindy. new american mode is minority central
>>575327423yes, enjoy only getting 1 character at 200 rolls
>>575327393retards cannot grasp this btw
What does she plan to do to me?
>>575327390bribed
yeah that'sa lot
>>575327423hope you rike
>>575327478A guaranteed 3* every 100 rolls means free 50 eligma and even more if it's useful dupe.
The gacha system revamp will kill this game unironically. Fucking Nexon man
>>575327347I could just not play gachaI did it five years ago and I can do it againI can just do crosswords full time now.
pikachuman knew all along
>>575327081May I direct your attention here for the answer
Be mentally stronger.
Is this the first gacha to nerf it's pity system?
Here's the elephant I want to be addressed: Why change the gacha system we have at this point?Legit question, WHY?
>>575327347I'll just not spend since chinks translate the new chapters on day 1 and I'm already reading those anyway. Once I stop playing I can spare myself the pain of doing pvp too!
>>575327407literal yurislop and no good designs, also weapon banner. But you already knew that.>>575327480Victory never changes, they'll lose until they die.
>>575327459>>575327476>Nexon definitely made the gacha more generous, guys!
would you marry the pure maiden /bag/
>>575327530Convert you into a proper sag lover.
>>575327407That shit is worse and very grindyJust quit gachashit entirely
It's simple luckletsJust win your 50/50 everytime like a luckchadIf you lose the 50/50 then it's proof your waifu doesn't really love you!
>>575326925>retarded devs fun ruined
>Ruins BA
>>575326873Nothing you say will get through to themthey care more about emotions and would rather keep their heads in the sand than see reality
>only /bag/ is defending the new gacha system
>>575326770Old System:>ok for the rates it has because you can guarantee 2 student banners.New System:>is shit if they keep the old rates to get students becuase it fucks you over if youre deep in your pity (190) and get the rate up banner it resets.we are unironically EOS tier if nexon dosent change the rate ups to get students now.
>People who don't pull 100 times on every gacha are happy For those who used to pull in batches of 200 on some gacha and take advantage of point exchanges, it's a nerf in most casesThere you go, a brief explanation of how the new system works
>>575327423https://x.com/Blue_ArchiveJP/status/2081354265256468538feel free to run as many translation programs as possible to check
the problem is that some retards here can't separate the game from the company so when someone criticizes the change they think they hate the game somehow
>>575327476>losing their shits
>hurr durr math says it better!!!This is why Endfield failed. Statistically speaking it's okay but it feels like shit.
>>575327576Lmfao no
>>575327396Fuck you baldie, no wonder everyone from the old team left you
>>575327586public (((investors)))
I can’t take a general seriously when they don’t even read raid mechanics. Yet somehow, they expect to understand an even more complicated system. Complete retards.
>>575327393assuming you win the coin flip otherwise it's 370
50% means 90% times you won't get the student
>>575327592NOZOMI RIDING ME WHILE INSIDE THE NOZOMI (TRAIN)
>>575327335that's averagewhat's the highest?
>old systemchise in 800 pulls>new systemchise in 5 pulls>current systemchise in 30 pulls
Simulator results:two concurrent banners OLD 192.63two concurrent banners NEW 180.14single specific limited student OLD 107.80 pullssingle specific limited student NEW 90.07 pullsAs expected, it's archive recruitment freakout 2.0
>>575327513Well that’s a shame, I was looking forward to Dream Journey and the Karin looking girl.
>>575327003>mfw losing the 50/50Maybe I should just never roll again and only bother next time my wife gets an alt. This change is seriously ass.
Whales won, hard
>>575327593Yes they did. Remember when the spark cost was lowered to 200? Remember when they added archive recruitment? Remember when they added the free 100 elephs with every rate up?
what is this? stream on the shinkansen?
>>575327586Chasing a profit white whale
old system:>always worked for me>I like itnew system:>consider a very specific scenario...>newly added additional chance? It'll never work>no, I shan't do math>EOS
>>575327653Nobody can fucking post in good faith, fuck you
Remember Mika wanted Gehenna dead
>>575327390based based based
>>575327653buy an ad
>>575327646that sums it up nicely
Fine, since nobody was going to make a distribution plot, I have done it.Here it is for the amount of rolls you need to get two rate ups (a common occurance at fes).Things to note, the average for the new system is indeed lower, but the old system gave you a MUCH LOWER chance of going over 200 at all. That's because the spark didn't reset like the pity will. You have a higher chance of being sub 200 with the new system, but also a higher chance of being over 200. It's going to make bad luck worse, and good luck better.
Can you fags at least wait until Wednesday for some Nips to posting their rolls before theory-dooming to oblivion?
It's a fine idea https://x.com/NEM07C/status/2081357810563252241
>>575327638True luckchads get all the banner students before 100 rolls. Therefore it doesn't affect me at all. I'm laughing at all this seething.
>>575327026Before:>worst case scenario you get one student at 200>best case scenario you get both students at 200Now:>best case scenario you get one student at 200Only considering actually "guaranteed" facts here, not hypothetical coninflips and average mathematics
>>575327407Your best bet for being a poorfag it so play limbus and bot gacha currency. But it's turn based and might not be to your liking.
>>575327656>>>ok for the rates it has because you can guarantee 2 student banners.That's not how the old system worked>>>B-BUT I GOT SOMEONE AT 190You could also get someone at 390.
>>575326960Regarding the reset of Call Points:Points reset if you get the pickupPoints do not reset after the banner expires but only if you got the student
>>575326857this is 100% how it works and I should add midwits falling for it being more generous was also a calculated move
>>575327571ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT
There's no way you find this erotic
because it's not for you lucklet poors(me) it's for whales that still didn't get shit after 400 pulls
>>575327592GUH
/bag/ can't math. lulz.
Any other gachas close to release? Not gonna support this kusoge change.
>>575327708see >>575327478
>>575327407They have chibis too
*serious hat on*I did the math, new system is better in every way>100k simulations per nb of target copies
>>575327737>>consider a very specific scenario...>>very specificit happens all the time, you have to kill yourself
>>575327795please understand, the ibukifag has to pretend he likes her swimsuit and is looking for some kind of "win"
>>575327571>comparing fully 3d with mostly 2d gacha auto-battlerlol, lmao evenI blame shitty and expensive Volume EX for flopping and dooming us to Nexon total kike control.
Hello dear Japanese customer from BA. My name は Toby Fox です, please ignore every other anon telling you to play their モバゲー. Please buy Deltarune, chapters 1 to 5 are now available, よろしく願いします.
If I understood correctly the new gacha system, now the best strategy will be to occasionally drop a tenner every other banner.- If you are lucky, you get a new student with those 10 rolls.-If you are unlucky, those points accumulate for the next banner and ultimately for the pity.And if you are unlucky and accumulate points, imagine you want to roll for Shupogakis and you instantly have enough points for pity.The start to just hoard Pyro and drop everything during fest is no longer viable.
>>575327637Need more JR collabs
EoS status?
>>575327576It's both worse and better. As the numberfag said, on paper it's better for people who are unlucky. It just punishes players who are unlucky to get the banner between 100 and 200 rolls.
>>575327842Astrae Oratio
GOOKS I NEED YOUSEND THE TRUCKS PLEASE
>>575327690>an even more complicated systemand that's not a problem in itself because? a gacha system shouldn't need a doctorate in statistics to be understood, if you can't see why that's a fucking problem there's nothing we can do for you
>>575327482
>>575327875No retard because you will waste your pity on a shit student you don't want.
>competitive bootlicking itt
>>575327845It's too complicated, I don't want to
>>575327740Mika was right again. /bag/ needs to apologize to Mika for sure
Nice job gehenna fags
>>575327867>comparing fully 3d with mostly 2d gacha auto-battlerYou now understand how the suits think
>>575327797SAAR
Goodnight (morning), /bag/
>>575327152It's a coinflip, only a chance, not an actual redeeming feature
>>575327696You can also spend 30 more rolls to get more ligma for either of them too. Can't do that shit on the new system.
Oh yeah, I can feel EOS in my bones
>>575327656Based doom lord
>>575327890its overeveryone is planning to drop the game and move to /aog/
/bag/ needs to send ALL their shit to nexon HQ
>>575327650Honestly the best club. The fact they got trannies this angry is even further proof.
>>575327794Why did they make things more complicated? How am I supposed to plan my future pulls now? I genuinely don't understand
>>575327921Retard
>>575327571Nuh-uh, don't go ahead and hide zzz from that chart.Don't be a pussy.
>>575326749I need to break the silence. I was raped by Ibuki in Feburary 1998 and Pandemonium protected her.#metoo #justiceforteacher #ihaverights
Ok but can I get the 100 eleph spark with the new system?
Some of you niggers are actually retarded.
>Pandemoniumfes kills the gameLike everyone expected
>AssOral
>>575327393>Continues using one off examplesholy fucking retard, do the math you dumb faggot>Old system~70% chance to get Nozomi at 170>New system~75% chance to get Nozomi at 100
>>575327951shit's fucked bro go back to sleep
>>575327760>It's going to make bad luck worseliterally how?old vs new, a double spark situation is significantly less likely
>>575327407>umavery bad ratespsuedo weapon gacha (cards) that you need to roll 5 x 5 timesno shared uncap materials for umas and cardsheavy grindingheavily RNG based
coom in Nozoom.
>>575327842Im just waiting for chasing kaleidorider. The only issue with that is I guess there is a weapon gacha but eh.
>>575327875Building pity is always an awful idea. Especially bad here because normal and limited banners are seperate in the pity track.
>>575327719Yeah nothing hits harder than losing 50/50 chances. At least japs are really mad on twitter
>>575327793What about extra ligma I could get if I got both rate ups close to spark, does extra 50% "chance" guarantee me more ligma?
Are there nexon employees doing damage control itt or is /bag/ just refusing to cope with the new gacha system being ass
>>575327821I do though?
>>575328027no lolwhy do you think they announced these packs right before the gacha change announcement?
>>575327204I simply refuse to believe nexon changed their system to be more generous.I liked what I had.
>>575327890either gooks and japs will save us or all will be lost
>>575328047Old system - you need to win the 70%New system - you need to win the 75% twice in a row
>>575327979You get 50 eligma for a dupe if you lose the 50/50 which is a much more common occurence than getting both banners close to 200.
>>575327407I did 400 rolls and only got a single Tachyon which is gonna fuck me over for the rest of the year.
>>575327407Doesn’t respect your time and is infested with trannies
so the pyroplanner is useless from this banner onwards?
>>575327773No, keep sending insults to their social media japs. Inquiries are definitely going to get filtered by ai slop.
>>575328030If it took you this long to realize maybe you're the retard
>>575328110There are just a lot of actual retards here
>>575328110THAT'S A NAKED CHILD
>>575327793>You could also get someone at 390.Old system: you spend 10 more rolls and you get 3 guaranteed banner studentsNew system: That's your 2nd banner student
The stream is pretty much done. Thread is garbage between usual doomers and math retards actually thinking a company would make a system more generous.I'll just say I'm still very happy with Chiaki and Satsuki, the rest is meh. Have a nice day.
>>575327821I'd have found it erotic with a nice one-piece swimsuit that showed off her absence of curves
CUUUUUUUUUUUURSE YOU, YOSTAR!I HEREBY VOW, YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY!
>>575328019I just didn't want to dig out older month chart to get better narrative. ZZZ still made more than BA in June, but yeah anons would post "lol lmao only 3 mil more", even if it still earned more.
>>575327204I care more about dupes...as in the issues of only getting dupes of students that I already have while missing over 30+ have they addressed that part
>>575327760yeah this is the real killer right here. the math proves it's numerically better purely for rolls (eligma economy is a different discussion), but inherently it's going to feel worse for people who don't understand probability (most of them). with that in mind i'd argue it's a bad change overall.
My example > your example
Well, guess it’s just Wordle and Connections for me.
FUCK YOU NEXON GREEDY KIKES
>>575327393Damn I was vibing with the stream until this announcement. No wonder they didn't do this live. Even if it turns out to be a nothingburger in a few days, it ruined my excitement just by the possibility of it being shit.
>>575327793If I get someone at 390, at least I get eleph or I can use that spark on a third banner. You are a silly stupid fool with doodoo for brains
>>575327781Best case scenario is you getting all 4 rate-ups (2 perm / 2 limited) and then get 200 elephs which is entirely impossible even if the maths is better in the new system. Not to mention perm/limited points don't transfer.
Yeah I think I'm taking a break from /bag/ until the update is outNot worth the hoyojeet raid
>>575328123defend this, new system defenders
>>575328110I actually understand math unllike you retard.
>>575327760the core problem is that makes luck a factor.Before you could get both with 200 with a "tiny bit" of luck, not you need huge tons of luck to get both in 200.
>>575328178Out of 10!
Here is your micro bikini
>>575328185ZOOOOOOOOOOS
>>575327971>>575327273And getting Nozomi at 170 in his example wasn't a coinflip? Are you actually fucking retarded?I'm not saying this is how it works you stupid fucks. I'm making fun of him by using his own logic.
>Old system Pull on the anniv banner 200 times and then let's say you got the featured student. You now have a choice of grabbing the spark for more elephs or the other featured student.>New systemYou do the exact same thing and get the featured student 5 times. You're now left with some points that are basically nothing.This time, you're just burning your pyro to ashes. Even if you get to 200, you're only ever getting that one(1(singular)) featured student.tl;drYou're now punished for being lucky and the old "saving up 24k for a guarantee for one or a chance for two" is getting abolished.
Check JP twitter>https://x.com/Blue_ArchiveJP/status/2081354265256468538>japanese players are upset and complaining about the new gacha systemCheck BA reddit>https://old.reddit.com/r/BlueArchive/comments/1v6tlq1/jp_blue_archive_726_2026_livestream_megathread/>global players are calling this system a downgrade and do not want global to use itChecking Chinese opinions on NGA and Tieba>everyone is calling the new system a donkey ass Is /bag/ the only place that likes this new system?
Which student would drag me to the rocks back there in the beach
>>575328242Just what I wanted
>Pandemonium fes saves Blue Archive and causes mass tranny suicideI predicted this a whole year ago, especially with Ibuki.
>>575327854>>575327760So the new system is better? that's all I needed to know
They're also going after the tweet mentioning the title of the gehenner volume as well.Fucking tone-deaf morons.
subtle vidya merch
>>575328185you didn't save up zoospickle their headquarters NOW
>>575328227>hoyojeet>when they literally announced a change to make gacha into genshin
>>575327407uma gacha is unironically worseyou need to roll 5 copies of the same shit with the same 200 spark system as BA
>>575328232Hopefully you understand it better than you understand english
Seia brainrot did unrepairable damage to /bag/you can't even voice your CONCERN about a major monetization change without people painting you as a bad faith actor
Hey I left after the PVWhat did I miss? Any new QoL (besides the thing people are having a melty about)?
>>575327923LEAVE THE MULTI-BILLON DOLLARS COMPANY ALONE
>>575328137BLUE ARCHIVE: DOOMS DAY IS APPROACHING
>>575328185LET THEM NIGGAS KNOW ZOOS
>>575328027Don't be greedy
>Got the (almost) perfect pandemoniumfes I wanted>It cost the spark systemGomen /bag/.
I genuinely hate niggers who can't do math>I FEEL like I was always getting a rateup at 199 pulls now I FEEL I'll just get a Miyako on every coinflip waaaaaaaaaaah
>>575328169you can do both
You guys are looking at it wrongold system:>200 rolls + 1 of choicenew system:>200 rolls
What impact does this have on Hifumi?
>>575328279just conveniently ignoring the other half of the posts saying it's shit? /bag/ is obviously getting brigaded
Have some tits and calm down.
>>575328227>if you criticize a bad change, you're a raider from another game
>>575326857>Why would they change the system to be nicer to the player? Especially a system already known for it's generosity?Retard, we got the change from 300 to 200 pity and 2.5% to 3%This time it's shit all around, but stop stirring shit while we're discussing the system.
BA is my first and last gacha.
>>575328109You get no extra elephs any more and if you get godly lucky and roll a dupe it's 30 now on the banner instead of 100 for dupes. Banner eleph pakejis are here for that now..
Fuck the Seia posters, we can't even have a proper discussion for once.
>>575328315Great. Hopefully enough people bitch so that Nexon either>Increases the rates >Reduces the pity cap from 200 to 180
>>575328110I think its lucklets advocating for this being a better outcome, I don't understand how anyone else could think this is a good change
>>575328034Mika predicted this. Literally, no Fest streams are as bad as this.Usually people were excited after fest stream, but this? literally doom feeling after that announcement
>>575328047You forget>no extra 100 ligma if you're close to a spark
Kaz looks like a gf of 2 years here
Rio...
>>575328363gacha became predatory, literally the shortest description you can possibly summarize from this
>>575326583wats dat
>>575327407>>575327842>>575327903>>575327982You are trying too hard, pajeet
>>575328401>>575328137
>>575328110Nexon bots definitely. The appeal of this game is the generous part. But they just fucked us mid and low tier players.
Doesn't this fuck over the potential of how much specific eligma you get hard?
>>575328110See, if it was normal discussion I may care to look, but the fact they did the same thing with the same images last time with archive recruitment, tells me all I need to know. If the literal trannies that hate BA are upset, then BA has won.
>>575328279>Is /bag/ the only place that likes this new system?see >>575327296
>math PROVES new system is better especially for f2ps (or grabbing a single copy of a student in general)>retarded /bag/gots refusing to engage with the numbers using one-off examples as """counterpoints""" insteadThis is why it's best to never ever engage with you fags seriously, seafaggot third worlders don't understand math or logic what's new
>>575328201It's purely to trick impulse retards into going for the 50/50 at 100 pulls even if they don't have the full 200, and also selling eligma packs to whales.I think they don't care if it feels worse, they just hope people will accept it because even if it's more efficient in reality, it's going to make idiots act dumber and spenders spend more.
Alright, Uma’s out of the question. Any other op- wait, someone’s knocking on my door
the stream is STILL going on? jeez I went to w*rk and am already back for lunchwhat BIG news did I miss? I went out just before Iroha
>>575328454It's people who have done the math and can think rationally
>>575328279What about some jeet social media? There should a big overlap with current posting in /bag/
>>575328053Because before to get both at 200 you only needed a bit of luck. Since you only needed to get one of them in those 200 rolls.Now to get both in 200 you need lots of luck. You need to win the coinflip two times in a row to get both in 200 rolls.
This should have been the Iroha L2Dhttps://x.com/funen_gomi_m/status/2054901785601646864
>>575328315who is going after them?
>>575328495Are you selling them?
>>575328534my example > your example
>>575328534How does that boot taste?
>>575328279lots of negative comments here toodifference is there's no downvote button here so the positive opinions are more visible
sex with Ibuki
That's corncerning
>>57532831640 dollars for a glued in logo...
>>575326963this is part of the reason they want to change it, before regardless of luck you could budget which students you get (get x student, skip y if unlucky but get it if I got x before the spark), now they introduced more randomness to the system and budgeting becomes more difficult and with more difficult budgeting comes more chances for reckless spending, more chances to get caught off guard by bad luck. Midwits focus on averages (lmao 4% less rolls on average woooooow) but the increased deviation is the real devil in this new system
>>575323224In the new system's simulation you can get multiple rate-ups in 10 rolls. I fixed this, but it doesn't seem to affect the result much https://ideone.com/Qldt1z(Had to lower the number of trials a little because there's a runtime limit of 5 seconds).
>>575328514You aren't supposed to point that out.
>>575328358i don't think this is a big deal but having had my complaints about other things dismissed in the past it feels nice seeing it happen to other people
>>575328542What's this?
To me it looks like one ibukigger is hell bent on defending the system because he doesn't want shitposters to have an angle. Which is retarded, you can enjoy the alts and also call the system shit, you don't have to play this retarded thread game with people who'll get bored in 1.5 days
>>575328182>i like getting spit hurled in my face and always kiss my abusers cockAnon youre hopeless
Hello there. I know you guys are in a bit of a pickle, but have you considered buying The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim? Why bother playing other "gacha" scams when you can explore the vast world of Skyrim? So, are you gonna buy Skyrim? I'd also recommend Fallout 76, pretty fun game.>but I bought them alreadyBuy them again then.
I'll forgive Nexon if they also change soft pity to 90 rolls and hard pity to 180.
It's time we accept Chugoku's 50/50 system. They honestly need the money to make more rockets for Russia and Iran
>>575328534stop using my wife to shitpost
>>575328534>my AI yes-man hallucinated that the system is betterok
the gacha changes stunlocked me so hard that i couldn't even tell you what they showed on stream for the past hour.
>>575328534It's better when rolling for one student, worse when rolling for 2 students, most of the time you roll for 2 students
>>575328459Less ligma might be a genuine concern. I've not accounted for that, only the banner rates.
>>575328279it's only two or three hoyojeets samefagging the so called "defense"
>>575328534Math is not real
>Defending a multi-billion dollars company for free
>>575328536>I think they don't care if it feels worseYeah, obviously Nexon are doing this for profit, no one's gonna argue otherwise. I'm looking at it from a player's perspective. You are right, if people end up accepting this, Nexon profits in the long run for the reasons you mentioned. If people don't, then at best we'll get the new system plus the existing spark (highly unlikely), or they'll revert to the old system (not impossible as they've changed the gacha system before).
>>575327760Yeah thanks for making that. Really shows the issue here. Better average but more variance. Basically there will be more "oops I ran out of pyros moments". This is an anti-consumer business move, nothing else.
>>575328557Are you retarded? You still have the 0.7% rate up chance outside of the coin flips.
>>575328446>seia>not the AIjeets
>>575328627If they actually liked the game they would want people to criticize the new system so it's reverted.
>>575328082https://xdim.app/
>>575328539Seia Miyo ASMRGehenna volume with 2 chapters being releasedMore merchtotal EoS
>outside game news part 2 just ended>I have no idea what they announcedlmao
Don't gacha with 50/50 have generally much higher PU chance than 0.7%? Or at least lower pity.
Fuck me. Gonna have to get the foxes, swimsuit Nagusa, and swimsuit Kisaki before this new shitty system fucks me over.
>Pandemonium eventIt's just going to be the pandemonium gang doing some fucky wucky for Hina to save the day in the end. And we'll have a little bit of extra in the end where we tell Hina that we won't be able to solve any of this without her help be it directly or indirectly.I just KNOW this shit will happen. Screenshot this post.
>>575328627He and the irohafag, their opinion is skewed
I don't like these pull changes but I will be pulling on myself to Satsuki today.
Yeah Genshin's pity system has always been worse for the consumer, but it's more profitable for the shareholders. The carry-over is just faux-generosity for gambling addicts.
Getting the pick up student on your 190th pull with the new system and the current one is not the same. With the new system it's like bottom 15% luck and someone with such bad luck would have to do ~280 pulls to get their first pick-up.
>>575328534>keep saying this shit after being proven wrong repeatedlyWhat a sad life you must live jeetko.
corpos would never make changes that benefit the players monetarily, I don't even have to do the math to know that it's bad.
Don't care. Was gonna kms anyways
>/v/ raidSo obvious
>>575328557>you can't get a rateup outside of coinflipsretarded chimplook at your own graph you dumb niggermonkey
>>575328265The chance of getting one of the two students inside 200 rolls is highter than the chances of winning the two coinflips in a row after 100 rolls each.
>>575328660Nope, wrong. Many people have posted sim results already. It's better for both one and two.
>purposefully do a livestream with no audience>introduce purchaseable Elaph packs since the new gacha system completely fucks over Elaph income>introduce Genshin Impact's coinflip to the game>if you lose the coinflip and "win" your banner character at 190 you have to do 100 more rolls to attempt ANOTHER coinflip at winning the other characters instead of a GUARANTEE with the spark systemWhat a giant clusterfuck
>>575328704It's an anti-retard move. I don't care about retards. I don't roll impulsively.
>>575328534based
>>575328660Proof?
>>575327026I like how the counter argument is>Before>>worst case scenario ever>Now:>>IF YOU GET LUCKY ON THE BEST CASE SCENARIO TWO TIMES IT'S BETTERThis didn't help as much as you thought in your head it did, anon
I stayed up for this...
>>575328265It's ONE coinflip. Not TWO
>>575328534saar...
>>575328637Not again todd... I already bought it twice.
>be me>play BA and Endfield>BA gacha system is great>Endfield gacha system is ASS>downright horrible and I cannot defend it even though I like Endfield as a whole>5.5 Fes happens>BA copies Endfield gachathis genuinely ruined my day and I don't understand why the change was necessary
>>575328658Same, but that's partly because I left to make food in outrage.I am sickened to find mathfags trying to paint the situation as being not EOS-levels of dire.Your math and AIslop is no match for my lived experience and ancestral blood memory.>b-but every time you lose a coinflip it's statistically fine and someone at nexon is probably happyBikecuck mentality.
>another dog shit aniv>only interesting thing is gehenna chapterdont know why i even have hope
As a f2p, nothing changed. I still ain't paying
>>575328053Double spark isn't the only case of bad luck. About 20% of iterations went over 200 rolls in the old system. 35% of them did with the new system. You're about 1.75 times more likely to need more than 200 rolls for both students now.
>>575328534It's literally not even anyone from here. They got mad and posted their tranny game avatars lmao. BA aint ever having their gay shit and they hate that.
>>575328585Careful mate, they will call you crazy and point at the math, when it's psychological trick to gamble more.
>>575328637where is my TES6 todd?it's been 8 years
>You see the genshin system is better actually this is what some of you sound like
>>575328849>I don't understand why the change was necessary$$$
Honestly guys>Old pityYou gamble and then pick a reward>New pityYou get to gamble while you gambleThe new system is obviously superior for anyone wanting to play a gacha
>>575328401ALROGHT BOOTLICKING MATHNIGGERTELL ME HOW MUCH PYROXSHITS I NEED TO SAVE TO GUARANTEE BOTH FES IROHA AND FES IBUKI
I don't even care anymore that there's no anime s2
>>575328658I think there was Miyo ASMR. But really, no one posted about what was happening. This is way too big.
>>575328723>higher PU chance than 0.7%no>lower pityyesbut that doesn't really matter if you don't take income and cost per roll into consideration
>>575328876If you want both students you should have saved up more than 200 anyway retard.
YUUKAWHERE'S YOUR MATH SKILLSEND THE NEW GACHA BANNER UPDATE DEBATE NOW
This makes me unironically really sad
>>575328909genshit system is technically better because they dont run 2+ limited banners at once
>>575328919400, just like before.
>>575328943We hate math here
>>57532891948000, same as before. Worst case scenario is unchanged.
WaitWhat am I supposed to do on the first day of free 100 now?
>>575328849>this genuinely ruined my day and I don't understand why the change was necessaryMathfags will attempt to convince you it's to make the game more generous.
>>575328876yes but what about the other side of the chart dumbfuck>>575328919same as always, 48k
>>575328947don't worry mari it's only gonna get worse
>>575327760>It's going to make bad luck worse, and good luck better.Yes but also not reallyIt's going to make REALLY good luck rarer but also REALLY bad luck rarer too
>>575328637IVE BOUGHTEEDED FIVE TIMES NOW TODDDD!!!! NO MORE SWEET LITTLE LIES WHERES 6!!!!!!!
hi /bag/, just heard the news about your huge gacha changes/e7g/ is accepting refugees
>>575328585>increased deviation is the real devil in this new systemI have no idea why this isn't the one being discussed, this is the most important part
That faggot Kim is attending Comiket someone shank him there
What's he thinking right now?
>it's the trannies that are mad that we got jewed onretard
>NOO DON'T USE MATH DON'T USE PROBABILITY DON'T USE EXPECTED VALUE>JUST TRUST ME THIS ONE OFF EXAMPLE CAN HAPPEN WHICH MEANS IT'S AUTOMATICALLY WORSE
What's next? Them adding human male npcs that treat the girls well?
>>575328909Nobody said that, but BA literally will never have the shit genshin does. The game was made against that ideology from the start and has literally never strayed towards degeneracy.
>Doing math makes you a bootlickerDoomsissies are not sending their best jeets
>>575328947Worst Fes ever
>>575328909Genshin's math has always been objectively better, but a combination of weapon banners, update cadence, Pyro (idk what they're called in Genshin) economy, and the power spike of dupes makes it utterly inexcusable.
the more I think about it the more nexon it smell, reeksthis is a decision they made with only a few days until it actually hits the game, so even though they HAD to know most people would hate it (hence no live show), they also know that it's basically impossible to reverse. The app is already changed internally and ready to be deployed irreversibly
>>575329032>jewish tricks designed to milk you to the bone are actually being more generousyeah no wonder the (((shitposters))) keep defending this shit
>>575328849buy the eleph pakeji sensei, only 3000 yen for 120 elephsyou can buy it two times too so you can get 240 elephs for just 6000 yen! buy buy buy
>>575328637I’m looking for a game where you explore space and travel to other planets, got anything for me?
>>575328947don't worry mari the koreans will revolt for us
>>575329056Genshin here, this is my job already
Let’s talk about WonFes instead
>>575326749Do they need to flash Assbuki like that?
>>575328753planning ahead an spark and using it feels bad, but it's more of a "i planned for the worst and the worst happened, such is life, glad i planned for it" and if you got extremely lucky it was amazing, now the feeling would be "it went better than expected and got punished for it", no matter how good is the math this is enough to make people quit and from the looks of it, the math is not that good either
you don't understand nexon is very kind actually and they hate money
BA lost bigly I'm afraid
It's about time you realized Blue Archive is not a game, but a product. You are not a player, you are a customer. Your only role here is to consume the product or stop doing it and find a comptetitor whose product is more cost-efficient for you. Any complaints you have can be forwarded to Nexon's customer services.
They could've done nothing and BA will just continue to rise in popularity.
>>575328627He probably dislikes that everyone's mood is sour rather than happy. I can understand that angle because imagine knowing your fest banner became one of the most controversial updates instead of everyone being happy about the new alts.
>>575328534>math or logicnot ONCE when asked have you fags gave me the standard deviation comparison is all "muh mean"!
someone check nexon's execs, check if there's a new jew in the board.
>Gehenna fes 1 featuring Pandemonium>old staff drama happens>Gehenna fes 2 WITH Pandemonium>this shit happensPandemonium confirmed for cursed.
I don't know anything about BA other than Satsuki is hot and I wish she had more doujins.
People focusing on the averages but not looking at the extremes. What they want is for people to get bad luck and find themselves in situations where they have to spend money to recover. Getting unlucky in the new system can now screw you so much harder than before.
>>575328909It is
>>575328839It's ONE coinflip 70 rolls later though.
>>575329056>cucked mc>mixed slop
>>575328656I made this in 5 minutes without AI and it took 5 seconds to run and it proves the new system is betterResponse, thirdie?
>>575327793>You could also get someone at 390.Yes.And it's like this>sparked the 200, one student>got someone at 390, second student>spend extra 10 to get a third one390 on the new system, worst case scenario (since that's what we're talking about) is>lost the 100 50/50>guaranteed on the 200, one student>lost the 100 50/50 again>got someone at 390, second student>counter reset, you need to go to 100 again to try to 50/50 your third studentGet it now?
>no bro you see it's actually better to get fucked at 190 rolls because uhhh you get the chance of winning a coinflip at 100 that will totally not be skewed against you
>>575329061So, there is no real hard pity, only soft pity on top of soft pity. Do we really have to go for integrals and derivatives just to see how bad it is?
>>575329119>it's basically impossible to reverseIt shouldn't be a difficult change
What should I do about Neru and Rio ligma now? I really wanted the 200 bonus but it doesn't feel like a freebie anymore to get the 200 bonus with a few tenners at the end.
>>575328909It is actually not that bad in their games because you don't need 50 different characters on your account for endgame.
Rate the stream
>>575328585Don't worry anon I wouldn't call you a brown SEAtroon who doesn't understand math
>>575329176When did you quit blue archive?
At least ba still got the comiket numbers
>>575328947We need to wait a few more days to see how it lands. As someone who almost always gets 2 students in 200, I'm corncerned BUT the game has done me right so far. let's see if that continues.Do not trust a single poster for 3 days. even me.
>>575328786>>575328827>>575327760
>Gehenna FES>Kills the game*sips tea very smugly*
>>575329087>>575329103It's amazing how the facts can't be defeated. Now we just have to wait to see the update in action
>>575329235TORYAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>575328627I'd rape fat Reisa
>Stream ends>No Season 2 announcementSo what's the C&C shorts for?
>They're making the VR an IRL event not an downloadable VR Softwarenyoo
>>575329183he can always do what I'm doing and blame hinadev
>Absolute best case for both old and newYou get everyone you want on the first 10 roll>Absolute worst case nowYou will never get what you want with new system while old one required 200 rolls
>>5753292570/10no content no qol downgrade to gacha
>>575329257>before gacha reveal8/10>after gacha reveal0/10
>>575329235he will call you a bootlicker for being smarter than him
>>575329217>Getting unlucky in the new system can now screw you so much harder than before.I hate the new system but this is not true. In both systems its 400 rolls for 2 characters as worse case scenario
>>575329278Trinitychads keep winning
You have to be absolutely delusional to believe they would introduce a system that benefits players.The simply fact that they are making this change should be enough to prove its for WORSE.Why would they ever make a change to make players spend less instead of more?Is obvious this change is for players to spend MORE, so it's a bad change. I don't even know why this is even in question
you made arona sad
>>575329275she said she want to be bred right? I accept
>>575329092Dont even joke lad
>>5753292211x 70% chance at 170 - need to only win one to get both in 200vs2x 75% chance at 200 (2x100) - must win both to get it in 200.
>>575329195It's a sign of victory. The more degenerates that hate you and seethe over your victory, the more you know you're great.
>>575329239Because the coinflip doubles your chances of getting them in the first 100, yeah. If you plan out your pyro spending it's better. If you're a retard who gambles, it's worse.
>>575329148
/vp/fag here, is this the BA equivalent of dexit?
>"never ever roll unless you can guarantee a spark">new system allows you to spend however many jims you have without burning recruitment points, ~75% chance to get a rate-up within 100 rolls>this is bad, somehow
>>575328849Unless It changed after I quit, endfield doesn't share hard pity (the guaranteed pick-up pull) between banners so endfield is still worse.
>>575329317200 is still 100% guarantee retard.
>>575329257No microbikini Ibuki/10
>>575328791If you always planned for 100% chance and hoarded lots then yes, this new system favours you.
Someone decode the math here. Orange line is the new system.https://note.com/yankeiori/n/n09bb9f1a8ca9?sub_rt=share_pb
>>575329061because people asking chatgpt to think for them don't know what that is in the first place
>>575329358>>575327724
>>5753292579/10 character reveals.A paperbag full of vomit / 10 for the gacha changes.
>stream started happy ended on a sour noteSad
It's time. Post Wakamo.
Iroha is wearing the loli swimsuit. But not Ibuki???
>>5753292570/10Hopefully trucks are on the way
>>575329257Doting and loving Satsuki wife/Genshinification
>>575329382SEXO
>>575329092No, the next logical step will be a trinket banner for new characters and some standard trinkets for old characters that are already released enhancing their kits.
Can we just murder the TV man and the fake GSC prez and call it a day?Everything went to shit after their implementation.
>>575329358Retard tourist fuck off from my generalhttps://x.com/Blue_ArchiveJP/status/1385503969502392324
Heard you guys got maplestory'd
>>575329246as in, it's going to happen because they can't shift the dates and go through app review a second time. Changing it with these banners, of all banners, pulling emergency breaks HERE would be a huge risk and would mean big money lossesthey've basically forced it so that at the very least we're getting this as an experiment but let's be real: this change won't reverse. This is a "we want whales only" decision
>>575329358Yeah you would have to be delusion to think Nexon will lower the spark cost from 300 to 200. You would have to be delusional to think that Nexon would increase the 3* rate from 2.5% to 3%. You would have to be delusional to think Nexon would remove most of the farmable students from the gacha pool so you get a much higher chance of getting useful spooks. You would have to be delusional to think that Nexon will give 100 elephs for every rate up.
>>575329456>Translated from Chineseeverytime
>>575329409Wait this is just the meme election graph
>>575329048There's a huge amount of nuance in it which honestly, I don't have time to fully dissect. The chance of a double spark? Maybe half as much. That absolute worst case is definitely less likely.The chance of spending more than 200? Higher.The chance of spending less than 200, also higher which sounds paradoxical except for the current system being heavily weighted towards 200.And frankly, the maths can't really quantify the safety of knowing that if you get a student you like in 150 or so rolls, you can complete the spark for a dupe, or roll the other banner for the one you were on the fence about. Or even if you do it lower. Getting an early rate up and knowing with certainty that you can get another one in 200 minus however many you did is a GOOD feeling that people will miss.
Worst stream yet?
>>575328585wow finally some brain, in a game with over 500k players they want to fuck over a larger % to spend even at the cost of making more players lucky, it might be more profitable than an all around generous system.
>>575329257>before gacha change6/10>after gacha change0/10
Good day, I would like to announce that I am very happy with the current situation. Thank you for your attention on this matter.
>>575329257>game content: 7.5/10>gacha: 0/10
>>575329409>conclusionFor everyone except the heavy spenders, it's generally a good deal.There are also bonuses for the number of times you participate, so let's take a positive view of it.
>>575329257new students 6/10 (Ibuki drags the others down bigly)content updates 8/10new gacha system 0/10 and I'd go in the negatives if I couldoverall 3/10
Who are we blaming?
>>575329456Nobody's going to do jack shitUnfortunately
>>575329358See though, the simple fact that you can see who is making these posts, is enough to prove it's good.>>575329391Pretty much, the best club in the game finally got an event, and even the lolis got amazing swimsuits, so we have some very upset trannies crying about BA. We've had it happen a million times, but this one is by far the most enjoyable.
I was able to pull bAris, Kei, bHoshini, and finish my spark off with tShiroko all with 24000 pyro. I can't do this now anymore.
>>575329409so it removes certainty and adds more gambling. brilliant.>but, dude, the average over time...Kiss my ass
This is going to be the most dreadful week in /bag/ before the actual banners go up or if Nexon actually responds to the murky PR right nowRegardless if it's good or bad, why do you have to change an established system anyway? I wonder what's going on behind the scenes
>>575327737new systems fucks you good if you can't get a student before 100 pullsold system you at least had hope to get both until 200
>>575329257Gehenna killed BA/10
>>575327335>average rolls required for 2 students - old: 196.99653, new: 180.271349In the old system, I can roll 3 more times and get 3rd banner students. You think this is a good point for new system?
>>575326749I like how after the gacha change everyone fucking ignored the NEW BATTLE CONTENT and NEW STUDENT UPGRADES that drop from it.
>>575329358It benefits people who plan and goads retards into spending more, while making eligma packs seem more valuable to whales. It is a definitive win for the majority of people who aren't retards however.
>>575329481I might ride with /trick/ full time now if shit hits the fan desu
>gehenoids almost killed the game with hinafest>now they do this again with another gehenoids festThe new prez is right about them13% of population commit 50% of the crimes
>>575329178Popularity doesn't pay bills poorfag
>>575329473>during a time when the game was on the brink of EOS and their biggest rival just reduced it from 300 to 200
Ibuki is the future head of Gehenna, Koyuki is the future head of Millennium,Koharu is the future head of TrinityKivotos is kinda fucked in 2 years time.
>>575329526kinda yeahmoods were improving after the PV but the gacha change sent our morale down to the bottom.
kek
It's a downgrade because the 200 points were an extra character you were getting outside the pool, a guaranteed at 100 doesn't help it mr. lucklet. Have they increased the drop rate? Does the pity carry over?
>>575329549>separated ratesholy cope
>can't get elephs as easily anymore>which means no easy ue60 in less than 400 rolls (like I did with battle Arisu)Nah man, this new system is TRASH
>>575329257I can't deny I'm feeling very 3/10 because that gacha system change...I mean, I've literally dropped other games because of it.I already expected most of the announcements, so it's a lame long stream with a festering awful greed decision in it I can't stop thinking about
Hi /bag/, you dropped this
Listen I don't want to sound like a fag, but I admired Kim as the BA Director because he seemed like an honest guy with a clear visionJust making a chill game with hot and cute girls, not males, no faggotry, and also that never felt greedy despite being a gachaWith these gacha changes I really do not like this greedy change in direction, not to mention that the eleph pakejis are disgustingKim has lost my respect for this bullshit
>>575329393If you're rolling on normal banners you're still operating under always have 24k before you roll unless you're confident in winning 50/50s
>>575329376>more gambling is actually better if you're not gambling
>>575328514Yes you roll once and stop when you get the girl no matter what. now you have a 4 star student and if you wanted her at ue40-60, instead of continuing to roll for more dupes and a spark you need to spend only ligma to upgrade her.
>>575329591Do you not know what average means? That includes going to 200 and spending the spark retard.
>>575329409this >>575329575I fucking hate gacha so much
>>575329235
>>575329424>>575329473It was all bait luring for this very moment
>>575329409This just looks like the the 2020 presidential ballot count to me
>>575328990>>575329030>>575329036 I LITERALLY NEVER DOUBLE SPARKEDI did however get both fes students despite sparking for 5 FES banners in a row, yes, literally 2 years of unlucky FESNow I can just give up hopes of getting both students in 24k, guess I should skip every permanent banner from now on and roll only 1 limited double banner per yearShould I skip FOXes or chinks? I have 60k
Dibs on the one on the right
>>5753292579/10 tanked to a fucking 1/10 when the gacha change info was dropped. Imagine if they pulled this shit during the 5th anniversary.
>>575328947Same. I've been sitting here for the past hour or so just feeling sad. No other stream made me feel like this. Even the disappointment of bHosh was quickly washed over with excitement for Kuroko. But nothing came to soften the blow from this stream, it just stings and I hate it.
>>575329257I like Sagsuki's and Chiaki's altsI don't like the new chance to the gacha
>>575326963You plan ahead or paypig and get what you want anyway. Alternatively you stop there and your guarantee gets saved until the next banner you want to roll.
>>575329382That side shot, oh my
>>5753292575/10 before gacha news-1/10 after
Did they seriously announce a gacha system overhaul that punishes you for trying pull multiple students, and then announce 6 limited student banners within the same update?Is that supposed to get us excited to pull for them?
Niggers who bring up the>190 pulls rateup, 200 sparkscenario fail to consider that in the new system, going>no rateup, fail conflip, rateup at 190, no rateup, fail coinflipis basically a worse case of luckletism than double sparking in the current system
>>57532925710/10 stream we even got some good gacha changes that make it easier to get the banner students
>>575329393/bag/ is filled with f2p lucklet and mathlet, pls understand
>>575329562(((them)))
>>575329257never spending a penny on this game or merch ever again/10and i spend a lot on merch
I believe the community can pull together and do a LADS to save the game. I have IBS so can do my part if someone else will pay for the shipping.
>>575329396Nah Endfield is basically just a spark if you save 120 pulls every patch. You can get 10 of the wrong 6 starts and still get the banner unit at 120 base pulls. Also the game lets you pull the last two limited characters by accident. It's weapon system is the real villian.>>575329409Anyone that thinks a company is going to make a change to it's gambling system to in anyway improve the player experience and not to extract more money is seriously sub 80IQ
>>575329593what do you expectit fucking killed the mood
>>575329257gehenoids killed the game/10
>hmmmm>I'm rather bored>All this time I've been doing nothing>Might give this "shooting my legs off with a sawed off" thing everyone around me is doing a spin
>>57532925727/10Pandemonium saved Blue Archive and absolutely destroyed the mental health of countless trannies.>>575329654Here's a good example of one such tranny.
>>575329639Link to the PV please?
>>575329562Who the fuck cares anymore. Everything is meant to rot anyway. Fuck gooks
If only you’d splurged a bit more, Sensei...
>>575329079>should've never trusted a gook lmao
>new gacha kills game>introduces male characters to appeal to normalfagsYou rike?
>>575329456JIN YONGHE YOU FUCKING STUPID YOUR MOTHER IS A DOG AND YOUR FATHER IS A PIG YOU ARE COURTING TRUCKS WITH BANNERS
>>575329760Yeah the archive banner change was totally to fuck over players.
>>575329393One thing I don't like is the loss of dupe elephs at 200. They're adding rewards to rolling but we don't know what those are so I'm not gonna chimp out until we actually see them unlike the niggers itt are.
>>575329409based japs proving an in-depth analysis instead of aifag baggots
>>575329409all these shitty graphs are forgetting that even if you were aiming for 1 student only getting them between 150-200 would result in you finishing the spark for the extra elephs
>>575329518This is the crux of it for me.BA never felt like gambling because I mentally paid a 200 roll entry fee since not going to spark was retarded.Anything that I got along the way was a bonus, hitting a rateup was the lottery that enabled you to get both rateups with 1 spark and happened more often than not, at least in my anecdotal experience.I tried mihoyo's shit on launch and quickly decided it wasn't for me because, statistics be damned, the gacha system just felt predatory and shit. Losing a coinflip felt bad. Having to go to the hard pity max rolls felt bad.BA and AL I either felt like I got what I paid for or I got lucky and came out with more. The coinflip shit made me feel like I was constantly being jewed.
uhh this is too much references
>>575329659Hopefully he hears our cries and does something. He's supposed to be the chosen one...
>>575329791rofl
>new gacha system is so bad /bag/ already forgot pandemoniumfes
>>575329757But LADS pulling together killed their game...
>>575329664I budget 24k for both banner students and have never been punished for it even once. That's much less likely now.
>>575329659I doubt Kim is the one who decides monetization
>>575329481>release game>flop>sell house>re-release game to huge success>re-lease in JP to an even bigger success>the next competitor in line for squishy cheeks just shot themselves in the footHOW DOES HE KEEP WINNING?The deed was magical.
>kind of like foxes but not particulary interested>kind of like pandemonium but not particulary interested72k gems and the only thing I'm interested in the foreseeable future is summer kisaki
>>575329698>I LITERALLY NEVER DOUBLE SPARKEDdumb fucking lucknigger shut your fucking whore ass mouth I'll fucking beat you to a pulp
>>575329651not to worry, senseiyou can now simply pay up, very generous of nexon to allow you to do that
who is this anon that keep convincing that this new gacha system is "mathematicaly" better?i don't fucking carei prefer guaranteed loss rather than possible loss
>pirates themed event>gacha changes that rob players out of their pyros K I N O
who are we blaming this time?
>>575329882So the new system makes you spend less and not fall for FOMO of expiring points and extra elephs?
I HATE IT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVUCoEEWP1A
>>575329393Never roll without a spark is a discipline thing. It's good for you. It makes you think and plan. It's bad for nexon because it makes you think and plan. This system will encourage you to just drop a tenner and see what happens, because you're "building pity". Except when the student you really want comes along, you don't have enough pyros to hit the pity... so I guess you have to swipe!
>>575329828can't post it on this site because of the size thing and I don't have the skills necessary to shrink it below 4mb sohttps://litter.catbox.moe/czgateidrak09zlw.webm
>>575329409As we've been saying: it's only better if you're rolling for only one student and stopping early.Anything beyond that is worse. And it doesn't even consider situational elephs.
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>>575329562Pandemonium. Their victory has broken the minds of many.
>>575329659>eleph pakejis are disgustingshows a sharp change in direction
>no one cares about the seia/miyo asmr
>>575329659oh he lost your respect for giving you a better system which has been proven to be better than the last one? sad
>>575329918Can Ako's akos save this game?
>>575329706>make geheners great again
>>575328225Last fes I got both Kei and Aris twice each in 400 pulls, and saved 2 sparks, one for Angry Hoshino and other for Kei.I couldn't have done that in the new system, having guaranteed sparks, I mean
>>575329257I'm just glad the pandemonium girls finally get a real spotlight. Hopefully they won't slip in h nawank to ruin it.
>what is variance
>>575329593Wait whatThis seems cool
>>575329715this stream is unironically gonna make me start balding
i haven't spent a dime on this game and i have 90% of the students while scoring plat on everything fairly easily. i also just sparked like 3 times and my stash is around 72k. i dont like these new gacha changes at all but i understand where theyre coming from. i still dont know how they were able to make so much money when people like me exist. im guessing its all from merch or retarded gigawhales.
>>575329882you also seem to forget that you can buy the new pack outright for that extra elephs>but buying new pack is so greedy for themso you'd rather buy TO ROLL and not buy TO GET FINAL PRODUCT? who's the addict here?
>>575327590What weapons do the horses get?
>>575329585Yeah regardless wether the change is better or not Its definitely one of the weirdest thing to do especially in the game's fifth year. It wouldn't really be a big deal when they released the game but when they do a big overhaul like this the change would really be a big fucking deal good or bad
>>575329847Since we're doomposting lets see just how dark the future can get
>>575329698FUCKING RETARDYou have a 64% chance of getting 2 banner students within 200 rolls under the new system. This is a bit less than the 75% chance of the old system but the chance of going to 400 is MUCH lower.
>>575330028The gacha thing is that much of a hot topic
>>575329571They prefer to be called /v/ermins, and usually, once they get banned over there, they inevitably migrate to /vg/ to shitpost
>>575329859at that time BA was dying, still didn't have a solid community and pricone had made the 200 change.this time around they know that sunk cost fallacy will prevail.
>>575329257Hopefully Nexon burns for this, 40$ will remakn everything they'll ever manage to get out of me
>pity not resetting when you get the rateup unitBest pity ever>pity resitting when you get the rateup unitAverage pity bullshitSimply as that.
ngl even if they kept the hard pity while removing the ability to claim a dupe i would have still hated the change
>>575329257-100/10I thought BA is the only good gacha game out there. Turn out I was wrong. Good riddance.
>>575329910Stop thinking about things and start filling these envelopes with flour.
>>575329664Why? The points don't reset until you get the character, so may as well roll for someone you want even if you only have a tenner.
>>575329659The changes most likely came from the executives rather than him imo. Just look at the news about Nexon's shares not doing too well.
>>575329882>Here's the math that proves you're more likely to get the character you want with the new system>B-BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ELEPHS WAAAAHNo one's fucking arguing that the eleph economy is better, you fucking moron, it's already been proven that Nexon created that problem on purpose and is selling you the solution in the form of 3,000 yen pakeji. Stop muddying the waters.
>>575329593Oooo wowie zowie!! More slop to waste my stamina on for slight increments
I know the new gacha system shills like to paint the pros of the old system as a "pro-luckshitter' kinda thing but I've "luckshitted" almost every fes unit since the game launched. And the old system gave me an easy dupe or two because of it. It's less of a niche than you think.
>safe alt designs>worst announcement of all time during pandemoniumfesholy fuck why do the devs hate gehenna so much
>>575330062PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE DISTRIBUTIONS. THE EXPECTED VALUE IS ALL THAT MATTERS. YOUR LUCK WILL AVERAGE OUT OVER THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS YOU SPEND PLAYING THIS GAME I PROMISE
>>575329949You are 4x as likely to need 400 with the old system compared to the new system.
>>575329971The best fes students yet.>>575330095Well they're trannies which is why they hate BA for not having their stuff in it, and appealing to straight men, so I'll call them what they are.
Ignore for a second whether the changes are good or bad and ask yourselfWhy would they introduce changes to the system little to no people complained about?
My son is growing up nicely
>>575330028No one cared about new stream in September as well
Just finished uploading another 100 pages of ai translated, ai generated, BLACKED Archive stories to sad panda.Expect around 800 more throughout the day.
What game are you bros moving too now?
Reminder for JPfags to use the feedback form. They do read what you write there. I'm done buying monthlies until this gets reverted.https://bluearchive.jp/contact/4
Bouncing
>>575330169Is DFO not doing well or something?
>>575329990It's alright thanks. >strange logo at the endDoes that mean the new school hasn't been in contact with no one? It's a>European sailors discover Americascenario? Cool anyways
>>575330079all horses need 5 + 1 friend card to functionsome cards can be shared between umas but some can'tcards have skills locked behind multiple copies and you can unlock them with either dupes from rolls or a shared rare currency that you grind/pay far up the ass for.those weapons/cards also loses a lot of their viability when their new training mode starts so you pretty much need to replace at least 2-3 of them every time a new mode happens.
>>575329756I spend around 500 eurobucks on pakeji every month but I'll just stop spending alltogether. I'm too weak-willed to stop playing entirely
Go ahead and doompost now.Because if you don't bitch at one of the worst changes I've seen in a gacha then Nexon will just abuse you forever..
>>575330213the writing was on the wall for a long time nowwarned you about the archive banner but slurpers didnt listen
>>575329593yeah cuz people might just drop the game even before the update hits
>>575329706Why do we have a vtuber Gehenner
>>575330196Well you get a 50% to get the rate up at 100 pulls now so you can luckshit harder
i think i am misunderstanding something the changes are you get a 3 star character at 100 and 200 and it resets when you get the banner one so what is the problem?
Feel like absolute shit in the last hour. Gonna post my lovely wife and sleep on it.
>>575329585Need the update to hit to see the real shitshow but i honestly think it wouldn't top the shitfuckery happened in mid 2024 or that whole year.
>>575330227do arisfags really?
>>575330248>moving tooother than keeping up with trickcal and this games story/events I won't play another gacha, period
>>575329409Finally a non AIjeet response Thank you, those momoi and seia shitskin falseflaggers were getting on my nerves
they changed the gacha because I got bAris, Kei, bHoshino, and Kuroko in 200 rollssorry bwos
>>575330292People really think they're defending the game by allowing it to get worse
Please don't drop this change on global before the FOX banners.
>>575330089Consider thisPreviously you could get one of them at 390 and then get ONE THOUSAND ligma for 10 rolls.
>>575330248Mostly blazblue lately, but for gachas BA is really just the only one worth playing. Might try some 3rd strike again.
>>575330324Tourists
hmmmm
>>575330318But if I luckshit the rate up student I'd have to start from zero again
burningI think the biggest reason this is a bad idea is how much it kneecaps knewfags potentially, when BA being new player friendly has been a massive appeal for years.Unironically could kill BA. If this is what kills BA I'll be pissed.
Now we just need an open world we can explore and the ability to swap between 4 charactersWe can call it Blue Impact
>>575330292No, I'm a professional bootlicker. I will keep posting seia.
>if you get lucky the system is betterwell that settles it i guess
>>575330292I think they're definitely gonna regret this one honestly. there's no fucking way this doesn't get reverted
>>575329864>They're adding rewards to rolling but we don't know what those areGet hype for 3 gray balls and 1 blue clipboard every 25 rolls.
but why would they change it though?
>>575330292explain how it it bad when the math proves that this is in fact a good change
I feel like there's a good chance the new gacha system won't go through. A lot of Nips are complaining about it.
>>575330303Archive banner was good though
I don't like one piece swimsuits
>>575329409all they had to do was spice up the monthly pakejis to get more people to buy thembut it's obvious this a (((shareholder)))-pushed change because line must go up every fucking day even though supposedly the game earns multiple times its operating costs
>new gachaits really GOOD if youre lucky (you get rate up at 100)>new gachaits horribly gut churning BAD (you get rate up at 190)its both extremely good and extremely bad, but i guess its better than not getting any rate up at all at 400 ? i guess....
>>575330393And you could get none of them in 390
>>575330449>we've GOT TO have... moneeeeeeeeeey...
>>575329518>The chance of a double spark? Maybe half as much.Intuitively it's pretty easy to tell the chance at a double spark with the new system is about 1/4th of what it was with the old systemdouble spark means you never hit the .7% within 400 rolls, with the new system you have to not hit it within 398 rolls and not hit a 50/50 coinflip twiceMy interpretations is: (assuming you're going for both rate-ups)>old systemcomfy 200 rolls about 75% of the time and suffer (usually a lot) the remaining 25% of the time>new systemcomfy 150 or so rolls about 50% of the time, suffer a bit the other 50% of the time but usually never go past 300tl;dr more variance but less likely to hit extreme good or bad luck.
I was like "NICE!!!! CHIAKI AND IROHA SEXO" but after the gacha change announcement I only feel sadness.That an announcement ruined what supposed to be Funposting hours. I don't want to sour the thread mood even further so I'll just go to sleep and come back tomorrow
>>575330449Suits and share holders were getting uppity. Same reason gaming has been dogshit for the last decade.
>>575330324The "problem" is that we got lolis with good swimsuits, so trannies are very mad, some have even committed suicide already over it.
>97% chance to get the character on a single roll>3% chance it just slurps 90k pyros and puts you in the negativeWOW IT'S SO GOOD BECAUSE THE AVERAGE IS LOWER!
This is the time when doing what the LADS foids did in China to Nexon would be good.
>>575330227do not pretend you weren't already doing that anyway
>>575329882Fuck you jeetnigger, shove your "thinking" AIslop up your ass, no wonder internet became even more shit because of it.
>>575330437>Japs and retards are going to convince nexon to charge us an extra 20 pulls per pair of bannersidiots
>>575330449To milk more money
>>575330505That almost never happened
>>575330449$$$ to conveniently sell you ligma packs now
>>575330459>just win the 50/50
I heard they improved the gacha system?
>>575330418this post is antisemitic
>>575330207You already moved to 400? Whatever happened to "it's better in every case" when people who actually know math posted a graph to show it's much worse between 200-300 which is normal rolling.Stop bringing up retarded rare cases when it's worse in 99% of normal ones.
>>575330498my schizo theory is that project rx is costing them more than they expected so nexon is pushing io division to get that line up even more
>>575330286Not sure I fully understand that since I'm not acquainted with the modes but that does sound awful.
requesting picrel for next op
>>575330284DFO is on it's most unpopular cap ever without any sigjns of ending anytime soon.
>>575329659I honestly doubt it's "Kim" when this is Nexon, a company greater than him.Not that I can't believe he'd do something or whatever, but it would seem very weird to suddenly start making annoying monetization pushes several years into your project. That's something executives above you insist upon
>>575330418>former EA execwell that explains it.grim
>>575330575Yeah, it's proved by math
>>575330324Literally going off feeling, which is pure gambling cope
>>575330538>WOW IT'S SO GOOD BECAUSE THE AVERAGE IS LOWER!Literally yes.
>>575330418>EAOH SHIT
>>575328185Shouldn't it be MX studios and Nexon?
>>575330421They already kneecap newfags when they make fes archive.
>>575330207proof?
>>575329593>new things to do>gacha system gets genshitified in exchangeyeah no you can keep your new content in the meat locker
>>575330449Literally money.Mihoyo tops the earnings charts every month for a good reason and it's that their pity system is deceptively generous but is actually incredibly predatory.
>>575330584By better in every case we mean better no matter how many students you are rolling retard.
>>575330421You said the same thing about concord. I'm sorry but it won't be any different than last year...
>>575330254>>575330289>>575329756>I'm done buying monthlies until this gets reverted.I never though it would come to this but I'm genuinely considering not buying pakeji or merch anymore eitherMy waifu doesn't get much merch anyway Kirara but these changes are ASS, I'm still on disbelief or expecting that it's a case of bad translations somehow
>more variance built into the gacha>in a system where you will never, ever get access to rngseed>by a company that was fined for having 0% gacha ratesThat just means pushing everyone to spark with their normal droprate tweaks wasn't generating enough revenue because ultimately everyone got what they wanted at 200/400.
>>575330570>just get unlucky and get the banner student at 190
>>575330631GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
>>575330639>fes archiveI've been saying this too
>>575330324The best out come of getting lucky is gone (early rateup which then lets you choose either second character or elephs for one you got) and that people naturally hate 50/50 pity systems
>>575330275Satsuki and Eimi's tits just keep growing. They might overtake Hasumi at this rate.
>>575330392No, I want my guarantee for a fox while also the chance at both
>>575329651UE60 is 720 elephs, two sparks gave only 200 so you rolled her like 5-6 times in 400 rolls. If you're such a luckchad you'll have even more blast with the new system.
>>575330608>>575330284Thank god I left this dogshit game for good
>>575330324>so what is the problem?did they explain what happens when theres 2 featured characters on a banner
>>575330631>Swedishyeah, sure...
Y I K EHoly FUCK
>>575330421>I think the biggest reason this is a bad idea is how much it kneecaps knewfags potentially, when BA being new player friendly has been a massive appeal for years.you are fucking retardedarchive banners kneecapped newfags as much as this yet nobody blinked because>im a 5 year oldfag and my gacha pool now has less students in it!while forcing newfags to spend unreasonable resources on the archive banner to get core students
>>575330418
>>575330689>fined for having 0% gacha rateslmao what
I cum bearing good (?) news
>>575330418Fuck
>>575329257This is the fucking turning point for Blue Archive. My fucking god bless us all
Will you use your free 100 pulls on S. Satsuki?
>>575330449it's the jews
>>575330449its literally more generous now, why is everyone even complaining? gacha games get more generous overtime, not more greedy. Arknights added tons of gacha easing
>>575329564The mahjong incident and LADS suggest otherwiseHow about Yostar gets reported to CCP for releasing uncensored high schoolers?
>>575330747>NOOO DON'T USE MATH AND PROBABILITY WHAT ABOUT THIS EXAMPLE WHERE I GET SOMEONE AT 190
>>575330608damn that sucks. i enjoyed 110 cap with my friends on largo. haven't played since
>>575330459>the mathPeople are risk averse. In the old system it was possible to pull at 190 and then spark a copy or another banner at 200. Now pulling at 190 is a curse and not a blessing
>>575330678if you are rolling 2 students the new system is worse for majority of cases.If you are rolling 3 students then the new system is WAY worse lmao
>>575330418>EAwow fuck me I guess
>>575330751Yeah, I predicted Pandemonium summer would be the proof BA is better than ever.
>>575330753I've been waiting for a Makoto alter since Makoto Dress
>>575330747People have shown it's better "on average" many times already, nobody cares. It's worse in general.
>>575330684>expecting that it's a case of bad translations somehowIf there's movement over at JP then you know it's real
We had a pretty good run bros. 5 years isn't half bad
>>575330746If I'm not wrong, there's a rigged system in Maplestory that prevents you from getting triple 40% boss lines (40% being legendary and is stupid hard to get and you need to luck into it 3 times). People found out that it's impossible to obtain and Nexon got into trouble for it.
>>575330734>check most recent replies fuck
>>575330418ITS FUCKING OVERRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>575330843No it's notaverage rolls required for 1 students - old: 111.25023, new: 90.130632average rolls required for 2 students - old: 196.99653, new: 180.271349average rolls required for 3 students - old: 280.15936, new: 270.173051average rolls required for 4 students - old: 364.84596, new: 360.22351
>>575330516>tl;dr more variance but less likely to hit extreme good or bad luck.The variance is what's going to make people retune hard their emotional connection to the gacha (for lack of a better term).Failing at the 200 mark is shit but it's the guaranteed planned event. Failing at 100 and moving somewhere between 100 to 200 is a less shit scenario but now suddenly you have to reallocate/calculate how much further you want to go to get Student #2. Before, you just only allocate 200 or 400 and accept it as it is. But now you have to sit and think is this going to 250 or 350? 130 or 370? 170 or 220?
>>575330747its also mathematically impossible to roll 200 times and get 0 3* yet it happens ALL THE FUCKING TI ME
>>575330739>you are fucking retardedYou didn't explain why "I'm retarded" and swerved to something entirely unrelated.>>575330682>You said the same thing about concord. I'm sorry but it won't be any different than last year...?>>575330639Not so sure, because what this ignores is how painful it was to guarantee getting Fes students spooking you during Fes.
Why is Iroha like this?
>>575330248I might check out AO but I'm not playing anything daily or spending ever again. Fuck that.
>>575330863>It's worse in general.What does this mean?
Post more fanart of the recently announced alts.
>>575330739archive banner is way less scummy because every student save shun and ako are farmableand they do give out enough tickets for newfags to guarantee both of them
>>575330863>People have shown it's better "on average" many times already, nobody cares. It's worse in general.yeah nobody care except people with above 80iq that is
>>575330958Absolute succubus
>>575330938Proof?
>>575329593>more trinkets that add 0.000001% damage and some random stat you don't even need most of the time like the amount of healing recievedFuck you
>>575330906Graph speaks for itself
>>575330418Anon, with or without an ex-EA person at Nexon...Nexon is Nexonthey are notoriously awful. BA not having as much bullshit attached to it has been unironically miraculous
>>575330954>You didn't explain why "I'm retarded"NTA and haven't looked at what anyone's posted in this thread but usually it's because you're born that way or your mom drank or smoked crack or something while you were trapped in her poison womb.
>>575330879at least we still have one another
BA managed to unite japs, chinks and gooksThat's impressive
>>575331046That's not the expected value
>>575330751>turning pointAIIIEEEREE FUCK YOU MAN-GOD
>>575330746https://www.kedglobal.com/korean-games/newsView/ked202401030012https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/comments/18zis72/nexon_manipulating_rates_megathread_separating/
I'm not surprised that ibukifags are ai using shitskins
>>575331050Holy shit you're so cool or whatever
so >we quit playing BA now?
>>575329257it was a 10/10 but they lost the 50/50 on my opinion so it's back to 0
>>575330958
with all the doomposting around, i think its appropriate to bake seia bread
>>575331046
I love legal adult hag pussyhttps://x.com/huddeakko/status/2081357018372391244?s=20
>>575331071Apologems and tenjou reduction soon!
>>575331015>except shun and akoaka the two most core students that newfags need if they want to get anywhere without waiting 1+ year for reruns of newer students.is cherino farmable on global yet?they definitely did not give enough archive tickets without spending money last time I checked.
>no one's baking
no one cares about averages if there's a chance of you getting rapedwhy do you think people liked the spark system in the first place
>>575329641LOL, maybe chinks are alright sometimes
>>575331078Blue graph is current system. I hope you see how much higher it is than the future system at the 200 point.
>>575331071Is BA social media exploding or something?
>>575330418Anyone still coping the change is good after reading this is brown
>>575330747Hello
>>575331115Thanks! That's what my parents always ~~~~~~ me.
How fast were the BA threads this time round?
>>575331024Imagine if you can touch her tongue.Of course, that would veer into 'too much' so there's that.
>>575331071All it took was losing 2d JK and JC pussy. They should have done this sooner
>>575330906>average rolls required for 2 students - old: 196.99653, new: 180.271349FunnyOld>+3 rolls you get an extra studentNew>resets back to 0, get fuckedYou saved 16 pulls and lost one character (or eligmas)
>>575331161The spark system still exists. 200 is guaranteed. Your rate up at 190 so you can spark the other is not guaranteed.
>>575331175This faggot is ban evading btwSend him back home with the report button.
>>575331152Why even bake anymore? Let's go gracefully into the long goodnight.
>>575331091hitogami owns u
>>575331175Alas. I am but a shameless reposter
>it's worse>Why?>because I say so!See, that's why MAGA won.
why is no one talking about the eleph nerf?
>>575331148she is, 30-3 H
>>575331214Again you do not understand what expected value is.
>>575331175>the pro-gacha-change faggots are coordinated corpo discord shillsman
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>KR JP and maybe CN because of the delay may unite because of pf the new gacha system>globalfags are still divided to praise or hate the new systemsome of you are to blame to not act the same way the asian community is doing it now
I'm just not pulling outside fes ever again, shrimple ass
>>575330029Kill yourself falseflagging tranny
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>>575330501How is it good if you get it at 100 retard? You just got -100 spark. If you get the rate up at roll 100 now you get student and another copy in 100 from the spark. Your just being tricked by gambling.
>>575331175so the ones who defend the new system really are the shitposters, huh. who knew
I can't believe Satsuki is the only good thing about this fes
>>575331281Now I understand why the new millenium motto is MGGA.
>>575331224it's not guaranteedit could still reset on some spooks
>>575331175>old system was a lot better at exactly 200>The exact amount people will roll to because it's pity
I'd fuck Iboogi
>>575330958>>575331024>>575331126She's a freak that's into buttstuff
>>575331428bro?get in line
>>575331152This is where we should just die. It's time to close up shop.
>>575329409I just don't see why they are pushing this for such a slight gain (or even a loss). It's not like this is going to grow profits dramatically. They might want a win-win situation as this might be good for some cases, but the added stress from the randomness and reset just isn't worth it
>>575329456Dishonor for your family!
>>575331323>The new system is really not that much betterRetard. Keep making up a persecution complex about your fellow /bag/gards
>>575330459"The math" says that if your neighbor has two cars and you have none, statistically you both have one car.
>>575331148you can get 200 total guaranteed early as a newfag and battlepass, stream rewards and that welcome mission last month (which makes it 310 total if you participated) etc will make up the rest. Can be slow if you failed to get one of them in 200 rolls yes but i don't think it's really as bad as you make it out to be.https://kamigame.jp/bluearchive/page/379365735274650203.html
actual nuclear meltdownthanks for funding RX baggots!!!
>>575330827BECAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE LOSING HERE, YOU DIMWIT!The complain is we are losing somethnig that is secure for a marginal untangible increase in chances
I bet it's pushed by Patrick Söderlund, the nu john nexon. blame the swedish
>>575332167Why is his head shaped like that guy from the your wifes a frog video? What a freak.
>>575329954Would unironically be kino if they keep he change to the gacha just during FES.
>>575332167Do the players have to literally gatekeep the game from literal corporate scums? This is getting way too much on brand with Abydos students
>>575332167*sigh*
>>575330418>thinks global has any influenceRetard.
