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>Fuck's that?>Gacha rates. Lotta money in this shit.>Oh yeah?>*nod*
soon...
i hate jews
I TOLD YOU RETARDS PANDEMONIUM FES WAS A TERRIBLE IDEA
coom in Nozoom.
this thread will be slower and have less people in it because everyone is quittingi will try my best to bump it from time to time
>appointed in February 2026Right after 6th anni?
>>575331329For fuck sake if I wanted patsy to run this thing
Name of this duo?
You CANNOT defend this....
The new gacha is shit because the ONLY positive thing in the new system is a fucking 50/50 at 100 pulls
>>575331317Kek this'd have been the killing grace for any proper anni discussion
the dire realization that your waifu is the way she is just to bait you to spend more money so that shareholders can become richer
Well, at least there was good to come from the stream...https://x.com/Tsukimiya_12/status/2081375897349927083
>>575331425I can because I'm not retardedaverage rolls required for 1 students - old: 111.25023, new: 90.130632average rolls required for 2 students - old: 196.99653, new: 180.271349average rolls required for 3 students - old: 280.15936, new: 270.173051average rolls required for 4 students - old: 364.84596, new: 360.22351
>it HAS to be a ripoff right?>it doesn't FEEL as good as before!>I THINK I LIKED the old system bettergachatards not beating the allegations
>From August 2011 to March 2021, the gaming company changed the probability structure again so that certain options with particularly high preference did not appear at all.
Old system>Win the rate-up>Can still claim a dupe of the rate-up because of the spark systemNew system>Win the rate-up>Can no longer guarantee a dupe, have to roll from a 0 pity counter
>>575331282Iroha is literally the perfect womanSavior of Blue Archive>>575331369Trannies seething? Looks like Pandemonium fes was a GREAT idea actually.
Does Ibuki what sex means
Nice gacha system, /bag/gots.
been off tugging since they showed saggers, what did I miss?
Pandemonium won but at what cost...
>average this>average that>just roll above 24k and it's so much better lolnigger is really arguing that spending more makes the new system better
>>575331329>>575331419It's over for the little guy
Corporations always win in the end.
>Everytime I dickroll a tenner I get pity points nowSeems good to me.
>>575331429but with the dismissal of exchanging elephs at 200 and the new system won't allow that if you win the 50/50
Wake up Hina, your new gacha system is here.
Nice bluefes /bag/
>>575331471Average chance to get 2 student in 200 before: 75%Average chance to get 2 students in 200 now: 56%Thanks for playing.
FATENIGGERS ARE MAKING FUN OF USFUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
The new system is better overall, but I don't like that they're changing the current system
I never liked you much before, but I feel justified as of now with my dislike towards you, Pandemonium fags.
New playerShould I even keep playing? I finally found a fun bonsai game without the predatory pity building and 50/50.I don't care if the math on average is better, pity building and 50/50'S are not fun psychologically and it feels much worse as a new player who actively WANTS to get spooked to get more students.
>>575331480You realize they could do this with the old system too, right?
>Nigger doesn't understand what an AVERAGE isHoly fuck where do you retards come from? Aren't Indians supposed to be good at Maths?
>>575331492Fuck you this is the only time you're allowed to be smug
THIS IS NEW COKE ALL OVER AGAIN!
Maybe Pandemonium hate was valid
>>575331513at least this shit is gonna make me spend less (read: nothing at all from now on). guess I'll spend that extra money on stuff I actually need instead
IF ONLY THEY LEFT THE 200 DUPE EXCHANGE BUT NOOOOO NOW IT'LL RESET MAKING LESS EFFICIENT THE LIGMA SYSTEM INSTEAD
>>575331576Your tears only further fuel the flames of our triumph.
>>575331471Ask yourself this question. Why would Nexon do such a radical change in the gacha system after 5 years? Because it wants the players the spend less ... Or because it is wants to maximize profits?
why change if the average is about the same? the one responsible for this stupid decion clearly have ZERO TACT. the chimpout was obvious.
>>575331602From the way you type I would advise you to leave this place right now and never come back
>>575331471>but my fake numbersBefore:>get student before 200, finish the spark for the second student in worst case scenarioNow:>get student before 200, pity resets and you now have to potentially spend another 200That's the only thing that matters, and every attempt to defend this is retarded.
Post yfw your IQ is too high to be outraged right now.
>>575331421no fucking way whatever Ako is wearing can hold her tits in reliably
FEELINGS:Makoto - awesome swimsuit. Sexy. Far better than expected. Wish she was FesSatsuki - holy fucking sag. I was looking forward to the Sats but I did not expect for them to deliver this fucking hard. Sex live2d sex ex skill, and also cute overall.Iroha - fluffy. Could be more erotic. But I like it. L2d looks sexy too.Chikai - cute but not amazing. Welfare level I guess. I like Chiaki so it's a good freebie pick.Gehenna volume - fucking finally. Hope it's good and develops Makoto significantly.New system - shit.
>math kills ze /bag/
>>575331602I think there's a strong chance thet walk it back. Both japs and chinks are hating it so far and I'm waiting to find out how gooks feel. People underestimate how hated the 50/50 pity system really is.
>>575331492Yeah, I admit you won Emiya Shirou. Fuck...
>>575331536people will say you get 50 eleph at 100 if you roll a dupe but that's cope
I blame YostarI think Stella Sora is flopping so hard that they're probably forcing Kim to make this decision and sabotage BA
>>575331610You realize that is why everyone says rolling a spark is the default mindset going in, right? You realize new system is designed to increase unaccountable variance while you're playing on an inherently unlevel field?
>>575331321But math says new system is better
>>575331492I didn't [-] this time, and that's a telling
>>575331630kek
>>575331169Usually a post announcing a FES student gets about 100, maybe 200 replies if it's spicy.The gacha change announcement has over a thousand replies, almost completely negative, and counting. It was 600 only 40 minutes ago btw
Hey baggots I heard you lost your spark system lol
>>575331602if you're new and haven't invested much into the game/aren't attached to it yet, it's probably better to quit while you still can. maybe wait a bit to see if they revert the gacha changes or not but as a new player this is really gonna fuck you over big time. this shit is especially bad for newfags
If you get unlucky in the old system and get lucky in the new system, the new system is better.I'm a mathematician.Fact check this on chatGPT if you doubt me.
>>575331724
>be irohafag>wake up early just in time for the prefes>guh chiaki>guh makoto>guh sagsuki>guh ibuki >Iroha flops onto a suitcase>stocks rising, I'm buying>new gacha system immediately takes the wind out of my sails >day ruined>want to go back to bed
Nexon will just add male students and ntr to get that sweet nromalfag money if the new gacha system bombs.
REMINDER THAT THE NEW SYSTEM IS PROVEN TO BE BETTER BY MATH IF YOU STILL PREFER THE OLD ONE IT MEANS YOU ARE A NIGGER THAT CAN'T DO MATH
>>575331742psychology > mathendfield and stella sora taught people that lesson but people forgot...
Fuck gehenna festThey killed the game and the mood.
Who won? Who lost?
>>575331492Thanks. Sorry about yours, I honestly do like fate so I feel bad about fgo.
eleph income got nerfed to forced you to buy the pack
>>575331421whats the lore on that kayoko outfit?its the second time i see it posted today
>>575331602stay for the story, it's free
>>575331479you jest but making people gamble is not JUST math, there is an obvious psychological aspect behind it
>anons forgot how greedy nexon used to be before blue archiveit was only a matter of time
>>575331857>source: my ass
>>575331559Average chance to get 2 student in 150 before: 27%Average chance to get 2 students in 150 now: 40%See I can pick random numbers too
>>575331807It's not random numbers. It's the only thing that matters. 200 rolls is the current pity. That's what you should present in your arguments. The proposed system is significantly worse for 200 rolls exactly.
>>575331602There is a non-0 chance of a reversal due to the sheer wave of negativity from the people who keep the servers alive, but don't hold your breath, decisions like these are calculated expecting those people who get mad to leave that only whales remain.
>>575331492You win this time redman...
Part of me feels like blame Yostar even more than Nexon. I remember that Stella Sora shit about their gacha and how the 50/50 felt like shit even if the math checks out.
>>575331724if your IQ was actually high you'd realize a controversial change brings chaos and plants doubt in players' mind spiraling to the downfall of BA as a whole
>dumb niggers trying to claim the new system is better based on the 200 pull target that people only targeted in the first place because it guaranteed a rate-up no matter what happened before it
>>575331837>ID system leads to echo chamberShocking...
>>575331835>you will never be turned into that suitcase
>>575331492Shit my knees
>new system is better bro
>>575331880lucklets wonluckchads lost
/gig/ is laughing at us
>>575331717You do know that only their KR branch get to control their products right?
Project RX isn’t gonna fund itself baggers
Average chance I get shit during free rolls before: 0Average chance I get 1 3 star now: 1
>>575331492>300 rolls (a year's worth of saving) to get 1 (one) guaranteed banner servant>it resets the moment you get it>no carryoverFGO will never not have the worst system in the market
>>575331837We told you about the circlejerk but you won't listen
>>575331985Who else isnt
Do you think the 100 charge points from the free pulls next week are gonna carry over?Ideally, I'd waste 90 pulls on the bad Pandemonium banners next week while praying I don't actually pull the PU (thus resetting it). Then I'll be able to start the good Pandemonium banners the next week after that with a 90 point head start.
Stop leaning on the mean number of rolls.Realistically, you can build a spark in about 2 months, so that's 6 sparks a year.WIth good planning that means you'll roll 6 times a year.Now if I simulate rolling on 6 banners and take the mean number of time it takes to get 1 rate up, the mean varies wildly. from about 50 to 120YOU DO NOT ROLL ENOUGH TO JUST LOOK AT THE MEAN NUMBER OF ROLLS UNTIL RATE UP AND LET THAT GUIDE YOU.
Do the new system defenders think they can do analysis better than the suits at Nexon who are paid exorbitant figures to squeeze money out of players
>>575331985it's a special kind of insanity when other gachas are laughing at you for your system becoming similar to theirs
>>575331492You're allowed to laugh this once.
>>575331930Stella Sora is dead so they are trying to squeeze more money out of BA
>>575331880Pandemonium wonTrannies lostA tale as old as time.
>>575331770It's exactly as impossible to notice now as it was before.
>>575331837that's very reddit of them hahahahahahah
>math proves that the average is the same shitthat's too bad because getting a student on 190 will feel like shit and kill the mood for a lot of players.
Math says new system = betterWhat else is there to say
>JP and KR sperging out>Global licking Nexon's boots Funny how this is a complete reversal with maplestory. Global maplestory players usually were the loudest complainers over KR and JP
Probabilities are cool and all but they forget to mention that no one is rolling ten thousand times on each banner so the curves matter fuckall compared to raw chances of each roll
so how bad is this backlash compared to the vtuber one? wanna gauge the possibility of it being reverted
Who do we blame for this?
>>575331976Isn't it literally the opposite, because of the 50/50?
>>575331975IT HURTS ME HANDS
>>575331492back when I played it fgo didn't even have a spark or pity the fucking 2 year foresight was actually useful
>>575332120You could also get no one until 400 under the old system. I'm not stupid enough to let emotions control objective facts.
>>575332069>YOU DO NOT ROLL ENOUGH TO JUST LOOK AT THE MEAN NUMBER OF ROLLSIt really is the midwit point of view. They're smart enough to understand the concept of an average but not smart enough to realize how likely it is that you will fall outside of that average.
>>575331837Nobody is saying thatStop trying to distract with this console war tier bullshit when nobody anywhere likes this dogshit gacha change
>>575332048>while praying I don't actually pull the PU (thus resetting it)maybe this can be "abused" by pulling on the regular recruitment banner (that has no rate up). who knows with those gook vibecoders
>>575331976Lucklets (true) lose either way as now they'll just be losing 50/50s
>>575331985Why are you lying? Literally no one at /gig/ gives a fuck about BA.
>>575332085If it's not broken, don't fix it...That means something has been broken since the beginning.
>>575331837Forced positivity is cringe.
>>575332139>context and rules of problem changed>retards who can only look at raw % numbers and drop that in a calculator claim it's better
>>575331602just be a fubuki, EXT every raid, and read the storyinb4 they nerf the fucking raid rewards too
i came here to laugh at /bag/
>>575331985That's probably a good thing. They have literal males and yuri.
>>575331837It's discord for the people that hate discord
>>575332157Absolutely worse. That was just a global problem before, but this affects all hemispheres of BA fans
>>575332120They really don't understand that "stress" is the number one reason to quit gacha. Getting PU at 190 before was a moment of relief and happiness, because you automatically win.Getting PU at 190 now is gonna be, >ok, fuck, I still need to win another round of gambling
>>575331802Don't worry, Tencent will follow the suit if EoSona 5 collab won't do well
bros /wuwa/ is laughing at us...
>>575332048This is actually the most retarded post in the thread. Why would you roll on a banner you don't want? Just roll on the banner you do want.
Simulated data from1 million rolls
>>575331837What do you expect from reddit? They didn't play the game.
>The gacha announcement is so bad nobody's talking about the literally most asked and most awaited Gehenna volume
>>575331837This never happened and you’re literally projecting. Anyone who doesn’t believe me can go onto their page and see. Nothing’s stopping you
>>575332163nose people duh
>>575331985>hoyo gacha so bad that they had to make a "Capturing Radiance " mechanic because too many people were losing the 50/50gentards don't have the right to laugh at anyone but themselves
>>575331724>qolnew system is either the same as before or better if pity count carries over between banners so it's either a win or no change at all>probability-wiseI did a quick and dirty sim to compare the average rates for 1 and 2 student pulls and new system comes out slightly ahead>gacha-wiseold system was more comfy because slightly less variance and usually easier to allocate your roll budget but since I only roll for students I genuinely want to begin with this doesn't affect me whatsoeverI refuse to believe anyone with an iq over 70 is outraged by these changes
>>575332048they'll most likely be separate counters because one is "limited" and one is "limited anniversary">>575332313because it's 100 free pulls on non-fes limited
>>575331985>/gig/tranny opinion
>>575332190bad events are much more common to affect humans. that one bad luck at 190 will ruin the experience for a lot of people.
>>575332167classic
What's next? /hotsg/ is also laughing at us? /tsg/?
>>575331602If you want bonsaige Trickcal is pretty good too
>>575332157
>>575331774NO, math says the chance of getting students on average, math can't say if the system is "better" or "worse".
feeling the lack of makoto itt
>>575331479You'd think the demographic for this game was women the way these threads are going.>>575331924>>575331559This would relevant if the amount of rolls you could make was exactly 200 and never any more or less.
>>575332332>guillotine about to drop on our necks>"hmm how about that last meal though?"
>>575332332no ones cares about the story after they fired all the people that wrote the only interesting chapters in this game
>>575331321>units
>>575332210Permanent and limited has separate pityLogical to think that archive and permanent also has separate pity
>>575332332I like the new students too but it's very hard to get excited right now
>>575332259Welcome, we were just expecting The Raped to show up.
>>575332370Fuck, I guess I'm the retard, I was too jacked up on the new system to remember the 100 free rolls.
>>575332332they get rid of the live audience because they knew someone would get stabbed over thisgehenna content was always secondary to nexon's real agenda
>>575331837>>575331952>>575332039>>575332117>>575332241>>575332279>>575332329Samefag
John Nexon won bigly
>>575332120It's one of the reason I quit Stella Sora. Because of the way the gacha system there works, there is a point while rolling where you *don't* want to get the banner character but still have to roll. It's absolutely retarded.
Are gooks sending the trucks yet
>>575332405It can if you define better
Gonna build 50 pity on the Seia banner, I better not get spooked before foxes or I won't be able to pull them unless I win their 50/50
if Blue Archive is supposed to be ML,then why is every Sensei a Nexon Cocksucker
>>575331282BREED. SEX. CHILDREN. OVULATION. PUSSY. PREGNANCY. MATING PRESS.
>>575331930they're both complete scum, and they are partnered, but personally I'm betting Nexon more than Yostar because of Nexon's poor cumulative performance, Blue Archive having almost nothing in the way of monetization pushes before 2025, and that Nexon doesn't seem to actually like Yostar very much.
>>575332282>Getting PU at 190 before was a moment of relief and happinessReminder that this was so bad that they started keeping 1 girl of the event for a rerun so you are forced to ,at minimum, spark twice. Luckshit 2 for 200 on the first banner and 200 for the rerun instead of 200 for all 3 if you got lucky.
>>575332454slightly too vtubey for me
>>575332332The mood is ruined. Gotta wait after the update happens
>>575332298>wuwaI'd prefer getting laughed at time like rather than engage in endless revenue faggotry of "wuwon" in SeaTower charts
>>575332120>will feel like shit and kill the mood for a lot of playersThis is core point against 50/50. Nobody likes losing coin flips. The entire scenario now flips from "oh thank god, I won at 190" to "oh fuck, I won at 190". And gacha is inherently a system that plays games with your mentality to try and incentivize you one way or another.
>>575332280>>575332404so far even nips are bitching and they're usually the biggest bootickers so that's something
Kim Nexon here, If you retards don't shut up about the new gacha, we're going to introduce the first ever used goods student. You have been warned.
>>575332427Kek nice one
>>575331985don't they have this gacha but, like, much much worse due to weapons?
>>575332378I fucking hate sweeds. same reason vermintide got jewish dlc prices and stopped updating
>>575332529you fags say this about everyone
>>575332543And you are ignoring all the scenarios where you won at 100.
Alright mathfags. What about my crafting addiction, huh? Where are my keystones?
>>575332563So Aoba?
You're telling me these schizos have a general on /vmg/ dedicated to raiding other generals on /vg/ and they do it for free?What kind of sub-60 IQ subhuman do you have to be to spend several hours of your life doing this kind of shit when you're not even getting paid for it?
>>575332346forgot pic
That being said wtf, I went 5/5 after but wtf
>>575332324another example that shows that the new system is better? this can't be..
>>575332335Hey faggot, go buy an ad before spouting your bullshit will ya?
>>575332048>Do you think the 100 charge points from the free pulls next week are gonna carry over?Yes.One category - limited+fesSecond category - permanentThe 100 rolls will carry over to the next week according to the slide, but of course you must pull them. If you want to be an extra cheeky cunt, you could only do 99 rolls and let the 1 free roll go to waste for lower chance of getting the non-fes limiteds.
>>575332416I'm just waiting for them to tucker themselves out so we can actually discuss the important things.
>average chance to double spark before100%>average chance to double spark now100%
>>575332434They fired the Millennium writers?
>>575332120>>575332282Let's not pretend a lot of players don't feel like shit getting their student on the 200th roll and having a useless spark (Remember to the vast majority of casual players getting a student beyond 3* is utterly irrelevant, they're not losing out on story content or the memolobby). And let's also not pretend many people haven't had to double spark for even Fes students. Everyone feels like shit either way, but at least, psychologically speaking, some people will get a dopamine rush at 100 rolls. >>575332190With that said, I think it's even worse to lean so far the other way as to ignore human psychology entirely. Yes, the numbers are better, but you have seen the ignorance of people here, and the vast majority of people outside are even dumber. So yes, you will get better rolls statistically, but not everyone is as stone-cold stoic as you.
>>575332543this. it just adds more toxicity for nothing
>>575332563why would anyone roll for your mom?
>>575332332>finally get the Gehenna volume after twenty million years>its about three new literally whosI honestly don't give a shit
>>575332602Used (by me)
>>575331930>>575332101I'm one of the new anons that still plays Stella Sora and the gacha system there is better than new gacha system for BAOn Stella Sora>every single 3* has a 50/50 to be the featured character>you have BOTH spark AND pity>you can spark the featured character with 120 pulls>you can pity the featured character at 160 pulls>you can SAVE your pity after sparking and keep it forever until you need itIn most cases you do 120 rolls, spark the featured character, then do 40 more pulls and pity a different characterIs much better than having to roll 200 times again
>>575332601Unironically over for affectionfags and dupemaxers.
>>575332601Buy them from the eligma shop
>>575332479I wish. That would've been a lot of (You)s instead of one to redeem.
>>575332462>Welcome, we *glug glug*re just expecting *GAAAWK* The Raped to *moans a little* show up *pant pant*.>that was some good dick please more daddy nexon
Ggen eternal has both and sparking...so I would have preferred for them to add the pity to the existing sparking system not replace them here
Iroha's swimsuit is the way it is because otherwise her red jungle would be on display, just saying
>>575332332Remember Volume 6?No? Good, because same writers are doing Gehenna Volume, might appreciate their heavy handed hamster wheel storytelling this time around.
>>575332601Buy pakeji
What if we never end up getting this change for global?
>>575332617They think it helps revenue spiritually its completely hilarious to mess with them
Jumby my beloved...
>>575332335I think it's local shitposter trying to change the topic about muh other tab because it can't handle about people hating the new gacha system
>>575332434Honestly the story is better than ever. I think most of the old staff were detrimental. Getting an actual Pandemonium event and Gehenna volume is something the old staff were far too incompetent to do. I'm just glad the game is in better hands now.
>>575332563>Sensei bannerREAL SHIT
>>575332598>muh averagesyou understand banners are not equal?if I lose my studentwife's flip it's not gonna get offset by winning three other coinflips
>>575332559>Do you like what you see, Sensei?YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
Can someone remind me what is the nexon support contact link? I know the gacha thing is a japanese feature (for now(, but I'm all in for putting pressure on them in all possible ways
>>575332454translate it weebs
>>575332727I'm also retarded
>>575332601bro your dailies/weeklies?
bag defending mihomo practices... we've truly fallen
>>575332651>Let's not pretend a lot of players don't feel like shit getting their student on the 200th roll and having a useless sparkThis is why they do double banners instead of single banners. The last single banner was Yukari at the end of 2023.
>>575332347>new system is either the same as before or better if pity count carries over between banners so it's either a win or no change at allPity carries between banners but limited banners and limited banners have different counts
Big Midori
For fucks sake, you people>The odds are marginally better overall, even for dupes or multiple banners, BUT>Ligma stocks to suffer because the pity resets with each successful pullThat correct?
>>575332543It's designed to make you spend more money, just take a look at the new pakeji.
>T-THE NEW 50/50 ISN'T THAT BAD! HOYO USES IT AND IT'S FINE!The main issue is that when I play Endfield or Hoyoverse games, I install them fully cognizant of how their gacha works and I expect them to keep it that way. One of the main reasons that pulled me into Blue Archive was their spark gacha system. Now they're doing a bait-and-switch and introducing a shitty 50/50 gacha model after years of being around? Fuck off.
>>575332754adult labia..
>>575332759It's in the game, under account settings.
>>575331837Literally no one is happy in our side of the camp either
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/image/YgHXIY3soj8yaADjN-en7A/hmmm
>575332479>Waah stop making fun of my dying websiteLmao.
I wasn't watching the stream, did the odds actually change or did we simply get mihomo'd?
Im sinking
>>575332751It doesn't matter if you need to spend 50 rolls on A and 100 rolls on B or the other way around. The only thing the matters is is the total rolls spent.
>>575332598Not the point. People are hurt a lot more when losing than they feel good about winning. "Chasing losses" is a term in gambling for a reason.
>>575332707Yeah as I said I was expecting you to show up. Good to see you again, always a good laugh to see you seethe.
>>575332804>ligma stocks to sufferwell well wellnexon has a brand new solution for your problemits as if they predicted this would happen
>>575332821kys vtumorsimp
Genshittification of Bruaka...
>>575332120Before the change: reach 190 rolls with no rate-up in ~1/4 casesAfter the change: reach 101 rolls with no rate-up in ~1/4 cases
>>575332804200 rolls = 75% to get bothnow 200 rolls = 56% to get bothAll you gotta know.
>>575332841thanks
>>575332651>>575332190Well, that's clearly ignoring the sparks, and if we're ignoring the sparks, you can still get no one until 400 with the new system.Unless you mean two, super random, lost coin flip students as the extra ones there. People still feel like shit losing 50/50s 99% of the time.
Niyaniya when?
>>575332601BUY PAKEJI
>>575332804Yes**Also, it will create a more bifurcated distribution of players, so more people total will end up on the bad side of 200 pulls, and be likely to spend money if they only had that much saved up.
>>575332683Good or bad system is not relevant. The game just clearly isn't making the money they want and BA is much more popular and prime for milking
>>575332563Sensei is becoming a student?
>>575332804yes, but now you can pay for eligma, please buy pakeji
>>575332638>now suddenly about complained about le ads when his narrative got disproven
>>575332374Having bottom 1% luck is horrendous no matter what system they use.If you let outlier events control your thinking rather than making a rational choice you shouldn't count as human.
I WIPE MY ASS WITH YOUR FUCKING AVERAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!I ROLL FOR PRECIOUS STUDENTS NOT FOR NUMBERS ON A SPREADSHEET YOU FUCKING SIMIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>575332854No % changes announced.If anything, I'm expecting them to go forward with the new system but change pickup rate to 1% to appease the crowds.
>>575332643very smart but that's expected from makoto posters
>>575332324if you are pulling for all banners. you would not spark on 200 if you are planning 400, you would only spark at 400 if you are still missing both banners
>>575332783Ok then it's a straight upgrade in that regardThere's genuinely no reason to bitch about the new system unless you're a mouthbreather who doesn't understand probabilities (90% of this general I guess)
>>575332893>was wondering what retards would buy that when they announced this>NOW it's a good deal
>>575332804The guaranteed 3* every 100 rolls gives ligma for the dupes that more than balances out the tiny amount of time you finished a spark for a dupe.
>>575332804also mixed perma/limited banners are pointless now since their pity is separate
>>575332645You forgot>no rate up elephs>no keystones>lose 50/50 and punch your monitor/keyboard/desk in frustrationjaps and chinks better riot
How does this affect my porn addiction?
>>575332347Who cares about pity carrying over you dumb retarded faggot, all you needed was to save 200 pulls.
Problems in paradise, /bag/?
>>575331421The sex of Gehenna>>575331890It's the new art on today stream
>>575332971Facts don't care about feelings
>>575332821Hoyo games also have weapon banners and stingier economy though
>>575332176if you care about elephs yeah, lucky people can't raise them as fast as before while lucklets can get the students easily
>>575332804Yup. New system is better at the cost of elephs.
>>575332845You love to see it. I look forward to 5 more years of tranny seethe as BA outlives them.
>>575332893I WAS gonna praise them for adding this but looking at it now..
>>575333034More people quit=less artists making porn since it wont get them as many likes
>*LOSES THE 50/50*Oyasuminasai Sensei!!!
>>575333030It doesn't matter since pity resets
Anyone got gifs/webms of Satsuki or Chiaki in the PV?
>>575332945But more people are also on the better side of 200 pulls. I would consider it about the same except now your ligma stocks eat shit.
I apologize for winning...
>>575332961>2026>retard anon for some reason is expecting humans to make rational choicesngmi
The genshin system is actually better
>>575333053>Sir you must eat the bugs it's statistically beneficial on the whole! Do not believe your lived experience sahib!
>>575332630I don't know how you can look at a graph that has a huge orange dick and say that blue looks better
>>575333045>debating if to ask or not for source
>>575332332yeah
>>575332985>nexonyou mean they'll ANNOUNCE the change but never actually change it in fact, they might lower it instead
>Nexon shooting themselves in the head with a 12-gaugeBro this shit easy af Dynamis One could've saved so much money skipping their lawsuit if they just let Nexon do their thing. Who needs corporate sabotage?
>>575333002Except no one is doing 1 million rolls, so who cares?
LITERALLY all they have to do is keep 200 as a spark rather than auto giving you the rateup. Would then be loved by everyone.
GOOD WAGEY ROLL YOUR 50/50SSTELLA SORA KEEPS LOSING MONEY ON YURISHIT AND NEEDS IT'S SUGAR DADDY ARCHIVE TO COVER THE LOSSES
>>575333114
>>575333125I make rational choices. I don't give a shit what other gambling addicts do.
the maths say you have better chances to get 1 chara with less spent pyros... but good luck if you are aiming for two, going above 200 pulls is going to become the norm
>/bag/ suddenly become a mathematician >insist that the new model bear worse probability despite visualized stats says otherwise Yep, just lucket and mathlet chimps out . /bag/ should be cozy once jp can roll the new banners in a few days. I'm taking a vacation, sayonara.
All I know is I used to think BA had the best pity system because even if you get the student on rate-up, you don't lose the pity and could get the other just for a few rolls more.Now it's the same shit as every other gacha, where pity gets reset the moment you get the character on rate-up.We are trading a tangible secure guaranteed mechanic for a marginal imperceptible chance increase when aiming for the student.
>>575333078>New system is betterit's not even better. it's strictly worse at the guarantee mark which, surprise, is what most people pull for. and it's even worse if you need/want multiple students from banners running concurrently
fucking chinks
>>575332332>the main cast are literally whoWake me up when they get to the juicy part like Thunder Emperor or the past between Ako and Kayoko, Hina and Kasumi
>>575332630retard, that chart doesn't show what you think it shows
>>575333187really subtle there
Stop complaining you don't need every new student. This is also like the most generous gacha game with time spent and free gems.
>>575333034>illustrators stop playing the game = less BA porn made = less comiket doujinshi released
>>575331719>get student before 200, finish the spark for the second student in worst case scenarioHow's this the worst case scenario? If I get one of the students before 200 rolls and spark the other, I feel very lucky. My worst case has always been a double spark at 400.
>>575331835>finally get Iroha alt>the announcement gets completely overshadowed by gacha changeWe got monkeypawed
>>575332313>Why would you roll on a banner you don't want?Because you're given 100 free pulls for the pre-fes week, and they'll expire if you don't spend them.In a non-fes situation, the same logic applies if you have 10pull tickets with expiration dates.
Today? It's Ibuki.
>>575332601lolI didn't think about that lmao
>>575333128when it resets even if you get a non-rateup at 50/50?fuck off
I have NEVER rolled more than 200 rolls.
The only thing that really matters in a gacha system is the pull economy. I bet they are going to quietly lower the currency rewards on top of the new system. If you have a 50/50 but get 400 rolls a version patch then it doesn't matter but worse opposite as well
Bros... Seriously this time... I think we have to admit BA WON
>>575333187too bad because the rest does not and they wholly dictates reality
>>575333162Good evening, saar
>>575333253Kek
>>575333115>except now your ligma stocks eat shitThis is what is going to really suck. Especially these days when 5* on Strikers,a least, seems to be the mandatory minimum for your medals.
>>575332346>too many people were losing the 50/50what does that even mean? more than 50% were losing?
apologize
>>575333084the only reason TTD hasn't happened yet is because you let them find refuge in your head for free 24/7
Why the fuck are people defending the mihomo gacha system? Are you faggots for real? Good God you deserve everything wrong that's about to happen if this shitty chinkshit system gets through.
>new system is... LE GOODOk so if it's better for the player, then why do they change it? Does Nexon hate money?
Surely everyone on /bag/ knows at least one story about devs making precisely 0 functional balance changes to a game and the players acting as if they did? Like making a shotgun feel overpowered just by changing the sound of it, or forgetting to push a change when it's in the patch notes and having people complain about a nerf, or praise for a buff?It's like this, gacha games aren't about pure mathematical numbers. Neither is gambling. It doesn't matter if the expected number of rolls is a little lower. What matters is that it feels bad. It doesn't feel good to play, losing a coinflip is a negative feeling. Getting a success just before spark used to be a positive feeling, now it's basically a negative one because I'll still remember what we used to have.It feels bad. The numbers may not lie, but if it feels worse, I'm not going to engage with it.
>>575333252You just suck at math dude.
>>575333162Watch this garbage also have 50/50 on top of their CONFIRMED weapon gacha LMAOOOOOOOOO
>According to the math>According to the science At least this won't change the fact that i need at least 400 rolls everytime fes arrive
>>575333253kek
>>575333253chinks rageposting gotta be the funniest fucking shit on the internet
>>575333346you caused this tho
>>575333253Holy kek
>>575333314The result of my rolls does not depend on what others think about the gacha system.
>>575331930>>575332515Nexon could do the funniest thing and come out saying Global won't be implementing the new gacha, throwing Yostar to the wolves. They won't though because both are 100% onboard with this.
>>575332931People lose 50/50s 50% of the time, not 99%.
>>575332324>midwits still don't get itthis implies the roller wants to get both characters no matter what instead of his rolls being conditional (in a LOT of banners most people just want 1 student and maybe kinda want the other one), in the old system the chance to get both at 200 is greater and that coincidentally was the perfect stopping point for the conditonal roller, nexon made it so variance is greater and now you have to gamble more, therefore making an informed choice wether you go for the second character or not harder. The next stopping point after getting character 1 is deviously marked by the 50/50, the possibility of a 50/50 entices the roller to keep at it. Even more devious than the 50/50 itself is the failure to achieve it and the frustration one feels from it, this would make most people angry but also adamant of getting the rate up no matter what. In short, most people know when to quit in the old system while most won't in the new onethis whole system is a psychological trap from nexon to make players roll more overall and you fail to realise it because you are hyperfocusing on pure mathematics
Decided to check BA channel and wtf are you guys doing in an 8 hours livestream?
>>575333045The opposite, really. This is Gehenna country now.
>>575333183This works too, thank you buddy
>>575333168well if you are gonna simulate 1milion rolls. within 400 rolls windows. and assuming the user always would spark at 200 then change banner. You need to also measure how many dopes you get to see how many pulls could have been saved from getting off banner or on banner pull.
I'm still going to roll for Iroha since I like her a fuckton but am I the only one who thinks her sprite looks a bit weird? it really seems like she got the short end of the stick in that regard, Ibuki,Makoto and Chiaki got better poses and proportions, unless maybe I'm looking at it wrong
If you think the mood over the internet over this issue is this bad, imagine how it's gonna be during comiket.
>>575333045nahida sex
>>575333247Wait that's adult nipples
New system is actually better for luckCHAD like (me)
Spark and the 50/50 system together, at the same timeThereBa is fixed
>>575333358but this isn't the mihomo system thomihomo system resets even when you lose your 50/50ours doesn'tnot saying this isn't shitty but it's very different.
>>575333359Why did they increase the 3* rate from 2.5% to 3%? Why did they lower the spark cost from 300 to 200? Why did they add the archive banner? Why did they start giving out 100 free elephs for every rate up?
>>575333427Good luck rolling after eos
BLESSED DAY
What is Hina’s expression trying to convey?
>>575333272>Iroha alt finally happens>countless trannies outraged but cant stop itA glorious victory in my books.
KIM YONG HA AAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>575333359Worse for elephs which means whales gotta whale more.
>>575333253HOLY BASED
Battle Pass was the warning sign but you chose to avert your eyes.
I have a bachelor's degree in engineering. I play Blue Archive.
>>575333369retard the graphs "people" are posting to defend the new system even show this. open your fucking eyes before replying, you melaninated baboon
>>575333043Gotta love how you cherry-picked this one argument when I specifically said>so it's either a win or no changeAlso regardless of your obvious bias it's definitely a win, you aren't punished anymore if you decide to spend a 10-rolls or two towards a banner you don't want to spend a full spark on
>>575333253
>>575333427but it sure affects what execs are thinking about the game and what they are gonna do with it.
>>575333253>momoi pfpicAs a glove
>retards who don't understand that banners aren't a continuum going on about averageshopeless
GO ON STRIKEDO NOOOOT ENTER THE CAFE OR PAT YOUR STUDENTS UNTIL THEY REVERT THE CHANGE
>>575333312Damn, I was hoping you'd jerk off with another Planaposter
>>5753334282nd post is very obviously ironic
>>575333428Reminder that this is bannable offense
>>575333253China mastered the art of online shittalking, it's kino every time.
>>575333170business-wise, it's actually bad thing. They did this change so that more people will roll and if they want to max out a student, they need to whale more.
>>575333276Oh, I get what you mean now. If you're a lucky fuck, worst case you only have to spend up to the spark. So in this lucky scenario, things get worse.
>>575333253fucking kek
>>575333428That second post is complaiing aobut the new system though? Try reading and comprehending sarcasm
>>575333472tbf, this shit would had been way pass diluted during comiket (it's been a month)that and plus people already finished their doujins (so there's no pulling out at the last minute) and japs usually don't bring internet drama into RL
Now they should go all in and add weapon parts to the gacha system
>>575332931Let me lay out the various scenarios and you can argue if it holds water. Again, no hard numbers, let's do human psychology only.>Scenario AI want to roll for both banner students. To roll smartly, I'm not going to use the spark system until I get to 400 rolls just in case I get one character from the other banner. With my horrible luck I get neither on my 400th, and have to spark both. I feel like shit. I've spent a total of 400 rolls.>Scenario BI want to roll for both banner students. I start rolling and lose the first 50/50, and get the first student on the 200th roll. I feel like shit. I roll the second banner and lose the second 50/50, and get the second student on my 200th roll. I feel like shit again. I've spent a total of 400 rolls.So if I'm describing these specific instances right, which would be the worst case scenario, there are more "Moments" in the second scenario. I describe these Moments as instances where you're guaranteed to get something, that is the 50/50 during the 100th roll. That means, psychologically speaking, there are more chances for a player to either feel awesome (hitting the 50/50) or feel like shit (missing the 50/50). Whether this is better or worse really depends on the person's luck and general gambling habits. Though overall people are usually more affected by negative scenarios than positive ones, and since the new system gives more opportunities for negative scenarios, it's probably going to FEEL worse overall.
>conveniently announces new gacha jew system when there's no audience to lynch them
After 12 years FGO is still winning.
>>575333253chinks are retarded but they can write some funny shit when they're angry (which is 99% of the time)
>>575333509No one was complaining about the system we had currently, so why the change?
>>575333589i won't punish the girls for the sins of Kim
>>575333545Retard can't even read graphs.
>>575333270If you want 2 students and you get 1 of them at 150, the absolute worst case scenario is you need 50 more rolls to guarantee the 2nd. The point isn't that this is a bad scenario, just that there is no scenario in which you would have to pull past 200 (after getting 1 at 150). Which is in contrast to the new system, where getting one at 150 means you could potentially need 350 rolls in total to get both.
>>575333579Momoi fits my dick like a glove
>>575333589I'm a whale and I usually immediately BUY BUY BUY after a Fes stream in preparation, but I'm bummed out now and dunno if I will. I might genuinely turn to f2p out of sheer spite.
>>575333170That would just be an improvement for the customer's wallet over the old system, the point of the new one is specifically for more money
>>575333045This little slut killed billions of me
Shuckaroonies. I'm sorry to hear about your gacha nerf, gookbros. Good luck with that.
>>575333589Do this but also don't do your raids and pvp hits.
Same rates as before, but now you have a guaranteed 3 star every 100 rollsThis is somehow bad apparently
>>575333045Not anymore. We just reached paradise. The subhumans below aren't happy about us, but that's their loss.
>>575333428>two posts is le proofyawn
Post your>Major>minor
When are they going to put ads in this game?After every 4th battle you need to watch a 40 second ad to continue playing. To enter the cafe you need to watch an ad, change cafes you need to watch an adThis way nexon will make so much money and the retarded seiajeet niggers here will be happy and defend nexon and EA at all cost like corpo cocksucking niggers they are
>>575333656that's clever thoughthey took the lesson from special Nagisa well.
>>575333552>you aren't punished anymoreWell know how well """"building"""" pity goes, we all know how bad the 50% system is, kys you retarded nigger.
>>575333004Yes, there is a valid reason to bitch about the new system, because "probabilities" is not the only element that composes a system.One thing would be if the chances increased with no tradeoff, if that was the case, it would be better. A direct improvement.But the part about resetting the points is a trade off lot of people may consider is not worth.If you trade one thing for another there is always room for bitching.
>>575333115It's like this, as a distribution of players getting both units on a dual banner (dramatized)Yes, more people will get both units earlier, but more people also get pushed past 200 pulls. And the latter might spend money.
>95% chance to get the character on a single roll>5% chance it just slurps 120k pyros and puts you in the negativeWOW IT'S SO GOOD BECAUSE THE AVERAGE IS LOWER!
>>575333253Make this the next OP
>WAAAAH THE NEW SYSTEM IS SHTATISHTICKALLY WORSE!>*gets proven wrong*>WAAAAH THE NEW SYSTEM IS SHTATISHTICKALLY WORSE FOR ELEPHS!
>>575333770midwits really do think like this
>>575333770>gacha debttaimanin did that, imagine
>>575333748>but now you have a guaranteed 3 star every 100 rollsIt's 50% retard
I smale knowing that at least 1 person in the dev team will get killed for this
>>575333253LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
>>575333662The losing competition
>>575333656kek
>>575333743Dante is never going to recover from the auradebt he took on by saying that...
>>575333142the artist is esearu
>>575333516Hina:>Looks like Makoto finally grew up and is gonna stop trying to fuck me over. I'm glad.Makoto:>I can't wait to fuck this bitch over
>>575333656its one thing to introduce a new jew gacha systemits another thing to do it behind closed doors with all the bait to damage control impactshows extremely bad faith from ba devs even if they backpedal now
>>575333662>cuckshit
>>575333662Then why am I here?
>>575333253Another funny one
>>575333806>56% is now magically more than 75%
>>575333343basically they HAD to do 200 rolls 3 times to get the guarantee instead of luckshitting on the 100th rollimagine having to spend 600 rolls on the next 3 students you want
In all seriousness how much time do you think it will take for them to revert this change or alter it a bit so the spark doesn't reset?
>>575333794Wont happenThe Seiajeet in charge of /bag/ atm will prevent that
the exec behind this should be on the chopping block
>>575333656we should've known, but it really is fucking sad manWHAT'S EVEN THE FUCKING POINTWHALES STILL WHALE NO MATTER THE SYSTEMFREE AND LOW SPENDERS JUST QUIT WHEN GAMES ARE LIKE THIS
>>575333752I'm not a retard that wasting time doing that. Got an applied science degree and went into industry right away. Millionaire now btw.
gacha gambling is completely vibe-based, so math doesn't apply. "le average" argument will fall apart the moment you lose the 50/50 and has to go over 100 pulls, then you realize you're only eligible for one banner character, where before you still had a chance to get both in that spark
>>575333770If the max was unbound it might be a problem, but it isn't. Plan chads win more under the new system, it's really that simple.
>>575333743wait a minute...>>575333806I think it's kinda obvious who it is
>>57533382650% for the pick up, it's still a guaranteed 3* student even if you lose 50%.
>>575333753It already happen with discord pop up and shitty web events
I am genuinely going to play astrae oratio now
>>57533382650% of it being the pickup, 100% of it being a 3*
Gehennoids killed BAShe tried to prevent this futureYou called her a schizoApologize
>twitter screenshot
My canon wife Fuuka...
What's her name?
I actually shaked my head, people actually think their pyros economy will be better after this change....? Is half of this thread illiterate?
>>575333919You do realize the 0.7% rate up chance on each roll still exists right retard
>>575333929If jp complaints stay going even when the change goes live? With the week of the update.
>>575333428Did you read the replies, though? It's like cherry-picking posts here that agree with the new system and posts on other sites where everyone loves the new system then act like everyone here loves the new system.I bet you are the same people who think a post in other boards is a proof of something.
there's a 50/50 chance I get the winning numbers on the lotteryI buy it every week and I've yet to win, but the math checks out
>>575334015Dunkachino
Kim Young\-ha's mother suddenly suffered cardiac arrest\. The doctor informed them that a pacemaker was necessary to save her life\. To ensure survival, the heart rate needed to stabilize at least twice\. After 100 pulses, there was a 50% chance of stabilization, and after 200 pulses, stabilization was guaranteed\. If it stabilized before 200 pulses
>>575334015Mori isn't it?
>>575334015Youngchun
who is this guy that been convincing this general that the new gacha system is "better"?so you can post this to other place and say that /bag/ is defending this new gacha system?
>>575334015Nyaaners
>>575332324if i get it right, the worst case scenario before was 400 pulls assuming you wanted both banners but that's still actually better than the new system simply because the hard wall was 400 and you were able to built your count to it, without the spark that worst case shifts into infinity right?, that sucks and it sucks even more if i take the spark eleph into consideration and the whole "you keep extras to the following banner" is irrelevant since you would stop after getting what you wanted anyways>>575332630.i don't care if the math says "you should be able to get both before 400 with a confidence rate of 90%, that's better than the 88% from before" because when was the last time i won a coinflip at exactly two flips? more often than not the deviation makes me lose the flip 6 or 7 times in a row.>>575333141>>575333257don't waste your time debating with gamblers, the reason they are addicted is because they really think 50%+50% = 100% and keep gambling thinking "they should have gotten it by now" and the reason they commit suicide is because they lost the 50% 10 times in a row.
>>575333168>>575333465so let me add an exsemple2 banners, Banner 1 Ibuki and banner 2 Irohayou have done 190 on Ibuki. in the old system you would pull for the 200 and continue till 400. lets say you hit ibuki at 201so you don't have to pull anymore and just go spark Iroha in the new system, when you reach 190, you have to pick Ibuki or Iroha to pull. You hit 200 it resets and you are now forced to pull on the other banner. if you hit ibuki Sucks just more ligma, and there are no garantee befor 200
>>575334015armpits
>>575334042>spark system replaced with CCP (Mihoyo)Naruhodo...
If you genuinely think the new gacha system is good or serviceable, you are brown and probably has a genshin account.
>>575333504well, yes, no one had complained if they justt added the 50/50 and didn't touch the spark
Pick your poison.
I'm starting to see why pikaman and his fellows left.
>>575334096you can tell by how he types that he's not from here too
>first Pandemonium event ever>best swimsuits in the game>players of lgbt gachas literally biting their hands off with rageJesus. I knew it would be good, but wow. They really did save BA.
>>575333253>>575333906How many kittens are going to die for this?
>>575334015KEKqing
>>575333435>this whole system is a psychological trap from nexon to make players roll more overall and you fail to realise it because you are hyperfocusing on pure mathematicsFunny how people seem to forget that gacha is a system designed to force emotional responses, no matter the system. Gacha systems are a well studied gambling mechanism at this point. Adding uncertainty, even with a small improvement in average odds, with the new system isn't meant to be some saving grace. It is meant to get people to be more anxious.
>>575333681Yeah, I misread the post. If I want two students, I budget 400 rolls. Anything less that that I consider a lucky discount. With the new system needing less rolls an average, it only benefits my rolling strategy. I have never felt lucky enough to bet on the 75% chance of getting a student before the spark.
>>575333763>Yes, there is a valid reason to bitch about the new system, because "probabilities" is not the only element that composes a system.>>One thing would be if the chances increased with no tradeoff, if that was the case, it would be better. A direct improvement.Unlike your newfaggot ass I've been playing this game every single day for 4 years I had to double spark 4 times, the fact that the new system is better on average than the previous one is a lot more meaningful to me than your butthurt feefeesAlso fix your reddit spacing you triple niggerfaggot
>>575334090Lolichan*
>>575334179I will drink all of Aru's fluid
>>575333765Every post in this thread should just point to this post.
>>575334137Math doesn't lie. The new system is BETTER and there is nothing you can do about it to change that fact
>>575331717(((swedish)))
Soooo which gacha game are you picking up after the new 50/50 pity change is introduced in BA?
>>575334015Onahole
do you think she would step on sensei's balls?
The stream was great. They announced Summer Highlander with summer shupos and Aoba. And also showed off Suou's swimsuit that she'll get as rerun. I thought that was nice that she finally gets something but when is she getting a playable? And then blammo - Suou Fes with a Highlander story volume. It was like a dream come true!Then every girl turned into spiders. Suou-spider turned to me, looked into my eyes and told me: you can be a spider too. All you have to do is make web! So push, push with all your might, make a beautiful web to catch flies for sustenance!So I started pushing. I could really feel myself be a spider deep in the jungle. I weaved such a beautiful web! I saw a little shiny rock on the ground below me so I wanted to descend on my string but I was almost out of it. I strained and strained myself trying to get the string out, until the shiny rock was almost within my grasp...Then my mom shook me awake. "Anon, you shat yourself."
I will be edging to Iroha today
so what if I get a non-banner 3-star while pulling? do I lose the summoning points as well?
Futures made of virtual insanity, nowAlways seem to be governed by this love we haveFor useless twisting of our new technologyOh, now there is no sound, for we all live underground, ohnow, this life that we live in(Virtual insanity) it's all goin' wrongOut of the window (livin' in), you know(Virtual insanity) that there is nothing worse than(Livin' in) a man-made man(Virtual insanity) there is nothing worse than(Livin' in) a foolish man (virtual insanity), hey!Virtual insanity is what we're livin' in, yeah, yeahWell, it's alright
This is worse than V1Ch3 shitposting, dark days ahead
the minori posters have hit twitter
>>575334120so after the first 200. you could hit 50 ibukis on Irohas banner and not get any closer to getting IIroha.
>>575334096probably, believe it or not but he hates both places
I don't roll past 200 so I don't care.
They should just remove the spark system altogether Its too f2p friendly and bad for business
>>575334187>NCsoft
>>575334248You are brown. Go back playing Genshit.
Gehennafags won... but at what cost?
>>575334195>best swimsuits in the gameWhat
>>575332324See how there's more blue between 200 and 300? That's more money to nexon.
NEgative IQ retard herecan someone tell me how the new gacha works? im just happy about pandemonium
>>575334018i was explaining genshits gacha system in ba's terms. 50/50 is an awful system regardless
I can't believe they dared to use swimsuit ibuki to try to calm down the change of the pity system...
>>575334271She respects your rights, himecut girls are good noble girls
>>575334358The game EOSing in six months
>>575334096>who is this guy that been convincing this general that the new gacha system is "better"?we're being raided by jeets as usual after big streams
>>575334359That retard has been swinging at ghost all morning. Ignore him like everyone else.
>>575334250Not a gacha but I've been trying to learn Rachel in blazblue. As for gachas BA is pretty much the only good one since it doesnt have all the gay stuff.
YOSTAAAAAAARWE MUST BE BETTER MENWE MUST ROLL THE 50/50S SO YOSTAR CAN CONTINUE TO FUND STELLA SORA
>>575334137I play Genshin, ZZZ, HSR, WuWa and Endfield and I would never change the BA spark system for the 50/50 pity system.Anyone that plays Genshin or similar would agree, people would worship Mihoyo if they switched to BA's system instead.
>>575334250FIFA26
>>575334375>can someone tell me how the new gacha works?Yeah man it's over
>>575334250None lolI'm sticking with BA exclusively until EOS
>I like the new system because it works better with the way I roll>I like the backlash, because if it becomes stinky enough they'll make the system slightly better to shut SEA niggers up.It's damn nice to always be on top, not gonna lie.
>>575334386this is all ibuki's fault
it’s unironically fucking over for real this timeshareholders must be strung up from every lamppost
>>575333343Nah, it's just a QoL for turbo lucklets. It's actually slightly rigged in player's favor and on average people win more 50/50.>>575333919Retard.
they're going to get away with it
>>575334213nta it's why I quit ZZZ (among other things)It genuinely felt so bad that I just was like "you know what? nah"in the case of BA I'm more liable to just switch to f2p out of small protest. Maybe not so small? I have historically spent a LOT of money on BA.
>>575334351I'm sure they'll do the same thing to them.
>>575334375You feed 12000 primogems to Paimonrona and pray that she doesn't fuck you over and make you lose the 50/50 so you have to go for soft pity or something
>BA enshittification is finally happening
>>575334463That just moved a whole lot closer
Waiting for people to realize 90% of the posts defending the changes are just one guy trolling. I don't think he even believes what he's saying, he's just ragebaiting you.
>>575333435If you don't focus on pure mathematics you deserve nonstop suffering anyways.
Utaha and Hiyori got a dangle. This is the most important part of the stream.
>>575334439the chance that yostar changed BA's gacha to fund that slop is sickening
>>575333942agreed
>>575334015that outfit makes me think that she's mental
the game is EOSing and they couldn't give Ibuki a bikini? Are you fucking with me
>>575334195>>best swimsuits in the gameno offense man, but when was the last time you visited an optician?
According to maf airplanes are safer than cars
>>575334463>I'm sticking with BA exclusively until EOSWell, you won't be around for long then.
Feels good being a ChiakiCHAD
I'd fuck Ibuki
>>575334375They should just have added it to the current spark system. everyone is happy
>>575334497I wouldn't expect anything else
>>575334553idungeddit
>>575334250if i'm forced to drop BA i'll stick to ARPGs and war thunder
>ITS DA SEANIGGERSSSSSno, it's actually the Japanese who are complaining, while the genshittoid SEAniggers are pushing for the 50/50 system.
>>575334358The mental health of our enemies.
>>575333951>Plan chads win more under the new system>plan chads win more in a more volatile systemabsolutely not, this entire system change was made to screw over plan chads in the first place
>>575334494>Nah, it's just a QoL for turbo lucklets. It's actually slightly rigged in player's favor and on average people win more 50/50.Wow they did it for the players? They are gonna lose money in the process but seems Nexon are the good guys after all
>>575334519HahahahaNoAs long as the actual in-game content is good, it won't die anytime soon
>>575334439worse, MX
>>575334250my skin is not brown enough to play multiple gachas sorry anon
>>575334386Good thing swimsuit ibuki design is SHIT!!!
>>575334623That's Nexon's big moneymaker.
>>575334375Double Safety Net: The Milestone system gives you two guaranteed rewards (at 100 and 200) within the same 200 pulls. Sparking only gives you one reward at the very end.Unpunished Luck: Since pulling a UR early does not reset the counter, early luck is pure profit. It does not push your 100 or 200-pull rewards further away.Better Mid-Way Security: If you run out of currency at 100 pulls, the Milestone system still rewards you with a UR. The Sparking system leaves you with nothing but expiring points.This is IF the pity buildup doesn't reset at getting the banner character before 200. I personally would have preferred adding these elements to the current system not replace one for the other
>>575333949And guess what, you still have that chance, in fact it's actually higher.
>>575334518>let me tell you how getting more students with less rolls on average is a bad thing actually
There are people here that don't hit both banners under 200...?
>>575334345Thats exactly what they just did you retarded fucktwit
Now you know why acceleration is bad right?
>>575334179This shit probably has 200grams of sugar and I notice that Japanese people eat a ton of junk food and never get fat.
Nikke has better cunnys anywaysAnd way better pity system
Out of every kind of disappointment I could've imagined coming from this stream, I didn't expect this. Bravo Yostar, bravo Nexon. Way to just suck out any kind of excitement about what people actually tuned in for from the room.
>>575334671that's not dfo
It's 9am and I'm still awake help
Anon below would fuck Ibuki
>>575333743Hope the Canto X will be good even with the voice delay, limbabWAGMI
>>575334671oh, fair enough.I also blame ss too
SoraCHAD here. Thank you for keep funding our game.
>>575334498>I have historically spent a LOT of money on BA.likewise, and I'm also going to go f2p when the change hits
>faggy pity system>no swimsuit Kasumi
>>575334592See >>575334648Post hand btw
>>575334104??No. It's not a continuous forced 50/50. Losing the 50/50 once means the next is 100% RU. Both are hard capped at 400 for 2 RU.
>>575334694Global is getting this change alongside FOX release btw
>>575334706>
>>575331717>EAfuck
Unironically EOSing themselves. I can't wait to see the coping from the developers when literally everyone is getting their pitchforks out.
>>575334709and a dead general too you forgot to mention
>>575334775I'm starting to believe some of you fags make grammar errors on purpose for more (you)s
>>5753341792 cups please
>first Deca causes a wave of retirements>now this
>>575334498Right, we even have our next door Yostar neighbor, Stella Sora, as a prime example. The fact that if you're edging at the hard pity, you have to pause and think if you should keep going is always going to be a shitty feeling.
>>575334375at 100 pulls you get a 50/50 chance to get whoever you're pulling forif you pull the feature character before 100, or at 100, it resets and you have to pull another 100 to get 50/50 again.If you reached the 50/50, 100 pulls point and you get someone else instead, you can now try to reach 200. Again, if you get the girl at any time on the way to 200, everything resets. If you reach 200, you get the student you were aiming for.Previous system:reached 40, or 10, or 100, got the student. You store "points"reach 200, you can pick the same student or another student's banner with the 200 pulls.In the new system it is quite possible to pull 200 times and get neither student, because at 50/50 you might get one or the other and reset the count.
>>575334684Read the post carefully you retarded nigger
Seeing a lot of non-endemic images
>>575334359>>575334575A few days ago actually, new glasses. Pretty nice. Can use my computer to actually read all this seethe now. Kinda funny though that it's literally trannies who are mad about Pandemonium's nazi military aesthetic and two prominent lolis.
>Genshitify the gacha pity system and remove pity ligma>Soon, we will have UE60 to considerCUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES! THIS IS MY LAST RESORT!!!
>>575334817Nothing's gonna happen, just give it a few days and people will forget about it
>>57533449850/50 system is fucking garbage and i cant believe retards in bag are slurping mihomo's slop
>>575334608people don't realize that they've also separated the permanent and limited recruitment points
>>575333929>>575334050I guess if significantly less people roll when the change goes live they'll feel threatened and pressured ro rollback.But by then backpedaling would be seen as unfair to those who already rolled, unless they receive compesation.Really hard to say, sunk cost is a thing for company execs too.
So the long and short of it is you're much less likely to get both in 200 pulls but much more likely to get both in 300. Essentially always bad because if you were going to 300 you were probably going to 400 for the eleph anyway. I assume they have stats to say most players just single spark and so they want to milk some more pyro from them.
It's GENuinely over
>>575331750>People underestimate how hated the 50/50 pity system really is.The most popular gachas on the market (which unfortunately are Mihoyo) use it and then lesser gachas copy that system because you always copy the winner so if we're talking numbers it's a tough battle
>>575334881retard
>>575334554Yeah, no shit, she literally looks like Kangel
>>575334891Tell me why that matters when as soon as you get a rate up the points reset
>>575334845>>first Deca causes a wave of retirementsAre we really just making any shit up now
>>575333765I have no idea what this is trying to say
>>575334497I send them a strongly worded inquiry in the mail so surely they'll reconsider!
>>575334728That is true. It probably shouldn't have been a fucking FES announcement, it's like they wanted the biggest backlash possible for some reason...Hmmmmm...
Don't need to pull to read story and events tho
>praising the new system like ZZZ, genshin, HSR, wuwa and Enfield who's the jeet now?
I'm tired boss
>>575334709whos this semen demon
>>575334884those retards? raiding jeets
>>575334498>>575334794So you're gonna stop spending money now that they're making you spend less money for the same thing and adding a 3k yen pakeji that replaces a full spark eleph-wise?
>>575334598I'm glad she was the welfare
>>575331282Blue Archive recent thread theme:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoKluzn07eQ
KEKAROOOOO
Normal /bag/gots:>just roll>either get the student or don't >gambling is funEducated /bag/gots:>average is better but eleph economy is fucked>look at this graph that shows how smart I amMathlets:>in this one specific case psychologically I'm devestated and will quit BA
What happens to my Archive pity that I've been saving???
>>575334884I swear, it's the same pajeets arguing in favor of this. Nowhere else is anybody happy about this regardless if it's EN, JP, KR, o rCN.
>>575334226ntaI've only had to double spark like once and I've been playing for 5 and it felt kinda badMy condolences on your pain.
green student when?
>>575334845deca was a fucking nothingburger, specially when compared to this
>>575335012correct, I don't like the system.
>>575335040Who is this gentleman?
>>575334870WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE what about 6:00 to 7:00
>>575335042gone. sorry, man.
>>575335072Never because EOS soon
>>575335087break already
>you have to bank 84k for FES now
>>575334709It has sparking for twice the points...you have to pull the same character twelve times?
>>575334709Shitty design and I'll never forget what those niggers at shiftup did to Destiny Child so I'll never support them again till I die.Fuck off and kill yourself child molesting troon
>>575334960It makes more people "unlucky" per banner at the cost of making more people "lucky". The idea is, more unlucky people = more money spent buying pyros.
>>575334891>>575334958Points for limited and permanent are separateMost of the rerun banners for limiteds get metafag permanent banners running concurrently. That doesn't matter anymore. take the current banner of Makoto (Limited)Ako (Dress – Limited)SatsukiChiakiKanna (Swimsuit)That doesn't exist anymore. It's One type - Makoto, D.Ako Second type - Satsuki Chiaki S.Kanna
>https://take.quiz-maker.com/poll5826951x4E824b95-169>https://take.quiz-maker.com/poll5826951x4E824b95-169
>>575335087Kill yourself already
>>575334982They're praising the superior gacha system. The 200 spark thing was stupid anyway, building pity is much more comfortable. You'll get used to it after the stockholm syndrome you've developed from years of abuse heals.
>>575334868nah bro, I'm sorry but you're just fucking blind. I like Pandemonium (mostly Ibuki and Chiaki), but most of their swimsuits fucking suck. Ibuki really got the worst of the lot and it fucking pains me to say this
>>575334439They're funding the new Dungeon Fighter spinoff flop
>>575334827/nikg/ is dead?
>>575335021GUH!
>>575334306And if a double banner drop crashes my pyro plansTo die by /bag/'s side side is such a heavenly way to dieAnd if a 190 roll kills my double sparkTo die by /bag/'s side, well, the pleasure, the privilege is mine
>>575331905I will NEVER forget Combat Arms
>>575334796we haven't gotten a rerun of that event yet
>>575334860so if i roll 200 times and not get the student i want i wont be able to pick the student i bean rolling for?therefore saving up to 24k pyro does not guarantee a student i want?
I've always gotten one rate up student before 200 rolls and could grab the other one, or just get a dupe for more eleph. Not being able to do this anymore sucks.
I was unaware we had so much luckchads in this game where we can get both students within 200 rolls.
>>575334537do you decide which students to roll for entirely by math? never ever dickrolled? finished a spark on someone you were not planning to get? No human lives on pure mathematics alone
>>575335042>What happens to my Archive pity that I've been saving?That's the question everyone is asking.No new students getting added to archive is pretty disappointing too.
Spam them with complaints here please.Be respectful but don't let them get away with it.https://bluearchive.jp/contact-1-hint
Okay, but what about my crafting shards?
Lol
>>575334641I think they're fishing for more impulse rolling. People budgeting and sitting on too much pyro is what really hurts them as it lessens the incentive to buy pakeji. Outright lessening the amount of pyros they hand out would carry a lot of bad press, but if they can make a system that is slightly more generous on average but makes retards impulse roll more, they'd probably make more money than they lose. I can almost guarantee that they have analysed the hell out of their players' rolling patterns.
they only did this to roll it back juuuuust enough to shut people up, which is a tactic to make people accept their original planUnity did thisHell BA did this when they rolled 300 back to 200, it always was meant to be 200 but they pushed 300 forward first so people wouldn't dare complain about 200
>>575335136
Sooooooo project KV and isakusan won?
>>575335217I expected an announcement during the stream if was going to happen. Isn't it set for a rerun in under a month?
>but muh numbersHere are your numbers faggot
>>575334709I tried Nikke, but there's way too much suffering porn in it for me. I'll pass.Guillotine is really cute tho
>>575334982YOUR MOTHER
>>575335012>now that they're making you spend less money for the same thingyou're fucking braindead
>>575335176Let's say all the banners are shared then.You roll for Makoto. You get her. Points reset. You start at 0. You roll for Chiaki. How is that any different?
>>575335189like the schizo from hsr says, you have AIDS cyrene xister
>>575335225Tons of people probably get one somewhere within the 200 and spark another. The new system probably only helps the lucklets who get no 3* despite rolling 170 or so
>>575335216>Combat ArmsFuck, I remember playing that zombie mode. Was actually pretty fun.
it's so over
>the other /bag/ is being nonchalant about the gacha changesthis is embarrassing. I thought these people hate Mihoyo
>>575333765>but more people also get pushed past 200 pullsYeah and this is the point of the changes. Those margins of players getting unlucky are where they stand to make money; alternatively, it could make people quit.
If 6 can still be friend with 7 after he 8 9 we can also forgive Nexon
>>575335352You don't shit where you eat
>>575335221I got both Rena and Konoka in 90 rolls. I would have a free 50/50 stocked up for Erika if it was the new system.
I like this change.
>>575334015Michaela
>>575331750People only defend the 50/50 system because they either get lucky enough to where they get everything they want easily or they have the extremely midwit take of>Spending 160 rolls for the character I want is far better than me spending 200 to guarantee the character I want along with getting other characters in the process
>>575335218no matter what, as before, if you pull 200 times you can get one (1) student: whichever you were aiming for. It will be either at 100, or at 200 pulls nowWhat you can't get is the second student (and there is ALWAYS a second student). For that you are more likely now to need to go to 300 or 400. For Fes, this isn't very different. For everything else, I'd say it's pretty horrible. You used to be able to get one student in 30 or whatever, reach 200, get both. You can't do this in the new system.
>>575335053praying koreans send enough trucks to Kim to revert this horseshit
I can't believe I'm experiencing the fall of Nexon in real time, put me in the screencap
>>575334982Out of these games I've only played genshit and I had no complaints with the gacha system itselfHowever the rates were abysmal and there was WAY too much power locked behind whale-only character dupes and weapon banners.
https://x.com/i/status/2081363878324154732360 likesThey're Among Us, farming screenshot for likes.
What were the other additions they're doing to the game? It got completely eclipsed by them being giga retarded with the new pulling system. Someone last thread said it is bad new bears for affectionfags.
>>575331807>>575331917brigade?
>>575335392retard
>>575335267I can see my dolphin ass falling for the new system
>Was wondering why there's no live audience for 5.5 anni livestream (1.5 livestream was the last time with no live audience).>Announce this shitty gacha system change.
>this means you can't get spooked multiple times before reaching 200 pulls because the system will reset how is this a good thing?
>>575335327They don't exactly start at 0, it depends on which position in the 10 roll she appeared in.If pink was first then you start at 9.
>>575335285That is pure ass...
>Kisaki is my favorite Student>Kisaki finally gets a (great) swimsuit>saving to pull her and UE60>now this shit happens with the gachaI'm feeling very black pilled brosI don't want to quit BA just after my favorite gal got her swimsuit but at the same time I don't want to spend money or support this game anymore I feel depressed
>>575335072Momiji alt. Trust the plan.
>>575335352>people are being fake happy on a hugbox websitewow and water is wet
>>575335352You can't even express negativity without being passive-aggressively filtered
It's obvious why they did this. Everybody was always pulling for 200 to get one character they prioritized and if they were lucky they could get both. It was easy to schedule your pyro income and that cannot be allowed.
>>575335242I'm not JP player. So I can't chimpout, gotta wait and see if global implement this or angry JP server players can make n3xon reverse this decision
>>575335445Nice endfield jaypeg, faggot
>>575335189>He says this when his game has sparking (for regular pool cones and characters) and the highest battle pass whale commodity is getting points (for the limited cones)
>>575335282more likely we'll just get a twitter announcement, since it's not new content (other than potential new alts)
>>575335352>echo chamber effectThat isn't all that surprising.
>>575335278I'm afraid not. He lost his job, and his most hated club ended up saving Blue Archive while his ship sinks.
We need Albert Epstein to calculate this 50/50 system
is math bad?
Just do what P5X does and have both type of gacha be available
>>575335267It also makes a larger pool of unlucky people. IE if 1% of f2p careful planners had rotten luck before and ended up having to spark every banner, now that number will be 5%. It does mean there's more lucky players, maybe that number jumps from 1% of people who get both within 120 rolls every time to 5%, but they aren't spending money anyway.
all arguments against the new system always pull worst case scenario and always ignoring that you're given much better chance with GUARANTEED 3* at 100thsure it is a coinflip but at the end of the day you're getting much better chance before 200while removal of spark count means you're also at higher chance of getting above 200 if you lost the flipguess what is somehow absent in this argument? the second (and subsequent) 100th guaranteeoverall this is simply a new layer of gambling added, the good roll is rewarded better, whereas the bad roll is also punished worsedo you know what is the equalizer? the new pack that lets you buy student ligma outright, perfect to reach UE with>but it's new pack that need money, greedy fagxonswould you rather spend to buy pyrox TO ROLL, and not spend to BUY THE STUDENT YOU ARE ROLLING FOR DIRECTLY?bottom line, nothing changed, as if the cases of "I'm so lucky" or "I'm so unlucky" never happened with old system
>>575335469>how is this a good thing?it isn't. the thread is getting ragebaited by literally one guy.
>>575335221>I've always been luckyThen you'll be lucky again and hit the 50/50, right?
>>575335462What? Can't handle the anecdotal evidence all of a sudden?
>>575335450it was a new system similar to the stats you gain from set/chokmah
>>575335492I mean, you'll still be able to do this on her banner at least kek
First we get free 100 elephs per banner and now we also get better rates. How much do these jews at Nexon have to milk us before enough is enough?
>>575335445I can see your PFP, you better not make me angry
>>575335425what happens if i don't get the student i want after 200 rolls? do i roll for 300?
Gacha is an inherently predatory setup. But the old system gave you some agency by letting you plan out>I'm setting aside 24 thousand pyros to guarantee getting this girl.>If I get her slightly before the 200, I'll finish the 200 and get the other girl and that's gravy.now your plans are farts in the wind.
>>575335352The other place is essentially Mihoyo land and going against the hivemind is a big no no.
>>575331492>300 rolls to spark>no carry over>no 50/50 at any point>the moment you hit the rate-up the 300 roll count resets
If there is room for debate is not an improvement.>spark with 200 points instead of 300Direct improve, doesn't have trade offs, Improvement.>replacing the security of sparks for a chance of getting the student earlier on a coinflipTrade off, Substitutes one thing with another, Room for debate. NOT an improvement
But Sensei, this now means you can spark at 100 and (maybe) get the student you want!!!!!
>>575335620>least obvious bait post
>>575335392nope, you would have 0 points
>>575335445>screenshots the worst post for ragebait
>>575335509>>575335540idk, other /gfg/ can be pretty spergy against MICA at times so I assumed other /bag/ would be as well with Nexon.
>>575335548fucking read, gookako
>>575335573>hit 75/25 oncevs>hit 75/25 twice
>>575335469Only the pickup student will reset the count
Tyrant from Stella Sora is popular? Okay we will make our own.
This change is also bad for new players since they'll have to turbo whale to get characters they don't have. What were they thinking?
>IM LE QUITTING Holy overreaction.
>>575335550I mean yeah, anything is preferable to losing it.After all, there are people who SWEAR by the 50/50 system.
>>575335657do not trust the blue devil
>>575335567 See>>575335285It's objectively worse for the people who roll for two banners, which happen to be 90% of the banner releases in this game.
>>575335445They can just AI gen those posts at this point, do they really think we give a fuck about what some xitter slurper does with screencaps? So much for being "dead" website while other social media is literally botted to 99% of population
>>575335445wth is that pfp fa m
>>575335628it's the french midori anon yes
lmao yall got too cocky
>>575335727Overreaction is the only way we get any attention from these retarded devs lmao
>>575335469it's not
>>575335756>which happen to be 90% of the banner releases in this game.
>>575335641You have more agency now because you don't have to go to 200 and can just roll banners absolutely want instead of banners you kinda like because you really want one of the students.
>>575335727some autists just play for the gambling
>is math badwe're still talking about the odds, there's still uncertainty in the sample space (players) when pulling at 100 (event) and being lucky/unlucky (outcome)
>>575335321You're spending money on the game so you're rolling more than other players which means averages are a lot more meaningful for you than they are for other playersThe new system has been mathematically proven to be better than the old system on average (by people smarter than you) therefore the most likely outcome is you will be spending less rolls (=less money) on average for the same result as beforeBut sure I'm the one who is fucking braindead not you ;)
I am no meta player so I feel nothing
>>575335657Just think about the Free 3* at 100 and 200 and 300 and 400
>>575335285Guy literally admitted his numbers were wrong in the comments.
>>575335727They never started in the first place because we don't have any gay twinks
>>575335516If you don't chimpout now they're not gonna make any changes later.
send in the chinks with pig blood
>>575335550Well in P5X nobody except for whales rolls on the 50/50, and only if you're going all the way to A6
>>575335236I have never needed to dickroll since I can jerk off to any student except like 2, so I just meta roll as well as my limited resources let me. I am 100% for a mathematically superior option, though I will stop any spending if they don't revert it because it's become clear that there's enough retards out there to actually EOS because of this.
I can't into decent quality clips. Does anybody have the Chiaki bit from the animation? I need it for reasons.
Why do you keep playing? The story is never getting better anyways
>>575335720
>>575335690I can't read
>back then you can go 200 with no dupeDo people really complain about this?
Uma won again
>>575335352You're right it needs to be outrage central for shitter farming like >>575335445
Convince them to add a one-time guaranteed redeem after 120 rolls an we win
>>575335657this + keeping the spark would appease everyone. not sure how much potential money the suits would lose out on though
Bake Yakumo thread
Dude, just add the 50/50 to the current system. No point abandoning the 200 sure hit.
>>575335469Only the on banner causes it to reset, and now we have a 50/50 at 100. Or we will, if this goes through, which is seeming less likely.It could genuinely kill the game if they ignore it.
>>575335826But they are not. They are not wrong. Look at it.
>>575335469Because I have a much higher success rate over the long term of getting what I want. Let's say I only have 1200 rolls total and want to roll on 6 sets of banners with 2 students each. That's roughly the yearly F2P income. The chance of a success with the new system is 72% compared to 55% under the old system. People are focused on MUH HIGHER CHANCE OF GOING OVER 200 IN ONE BANNER but as soon as you start rolling multiple banners the new system wins out by so much.
>>575335336Unless you consistently keep getting it before 200 rolls, it's not something you could or should even rely on. If you're somehow lucky enough to get both units within 200 rolls, then surely you're also lucky enough to hit the 50/50 on the 100th roll? Or does luck suddenly not matter in the new system anymore?
Damn, you don't see these types of numbers typically unless it was the direct student announcement.
Okay everyone, made a comparisonIt's not that bad
>>575335225I don't know if I am lucky or unlucky. Getting both students in 200 pulls and spark was rare, but it made me always happy. Losing my pull points when I get one will only make me miss what we had before. This system is garbage.
>>575335631you will get the student you want within 200 rollsyou will not (guaranteed) get the studentS (plural) you want in 200 rolls in the new system. If you get one student at 100 for instance, you need to roll another 200 times to get the second student (GUARANTEED). As opposed to the current system where, if you reached 100 and in that 100 got who you wanted, you could proceed to 200 and get the other student (a very common occurrence). Or, you could get shit luck, roll 200, get who you wanted and bounce--but at least you expected that because everyone tells you to prepare 24,000 for a banner.
Why don't they just create a new game with the new system. They are so lazy and greedy
Not looking good luckchads
>>575335893the yuritroon competition, perhaps?
>>575335756>people who roll for two banners, which happen to be 90% of the banner releases in this game.WRONGPeople usually rolls for one banner and may or not may be interested in the other as well, but usually people always aim for one student.You rarely like two students exactly the same and aim for them exactly the same
>>575335893But I just had the most soul-crushing rolling experience in that game a few days ago...
Get a rate up 3 star at 275 rolls on the current systen, exchange the other one.Now i have wasted 75 rolls.
>>575335716EXACTLY and that's why people spend more than 24k in fes banners. This is literally a jab to fes banners because people use more than 200 pulls due to rate increase or the broken skills of the featured students.
>>575335232I prefer the classic
>>575334096take a look a this >>575335445
>>575335947Both the Japanese and Chinese are extremely pissed
>>575335893Leo cup gave me cancer.
>>575335868I know. It peaked with Volume F. I just have sunk cost fallacy at this point.
>>575335727>don't like something"vote with your wallet">say you're going to vote with your wallet"you won't actually do anything">vote with wallet"holy overreaction"
>>575336093>>575336093>>575336093
Someone who watched the stream, did they finally add more old units to the archive recruitment or still not?
>>575335958I don't give a shit how not bad it is 50/50 are a disgrace and i'll hate any game who does it
>>575336117KEK
>>575335285Not to mention that in the previous system If you pull 1 unit before 200 pulls, 24k pyro was a guaranteed completion. If not, you can just retire.In this new system if you don't have 48k pyro and you managed to get 1 out of 2 before 200, you are gambling until the very last pull.
>>575335567The worst case scenario is what needs to be considered. The best case scenario (getting both in under 100 rolls) hasn't changed.
>>575336117nope
The issue is not that it's worse in expected value, it's better for one or two banners, it doesn't matter. The issue is it creates proportionally more unlucky people, which will drive people away from the game.
>>575335958What if I DONT want both characters? Am I just fucked?
>>575335768I really like the stupid kids propeller hat, the picture feels like a good representative of me as a person (a happy retard)
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>>575335958simple as
>>575335820I'm rolling on more banners, yes. and guess what happens most of the time when I roll? I get at least 2 rate-ups in 200. which now has a lot less chance to happen than beforeI was also sometimes rolling for ligma on students I already had because I already got the 2 new rate-ups before my spark and that kind of behavior is also being punished heavily by the new system. the results are not the same as before, I'll be getting less students per spark. shut the fuck up
>>575335898No one screenshots a fucking post from other /bag/ because twitterfaggots are retards and the mobile version of the website shits itself constantly
>>575335958Which is the old one?
>>575336027What? You used those 75 rolls to get a student. And you also get keystone fragments for it.
>>575336003counterpoint: FESthough admittedly, you usually always try for 400 on FES
>>575334884Coinflips are fine in games with solo banners and smaller character pools.But BA constantly gets double or triple banners and RELIED on the sparks almost every event. It was also nice to roll on one banner, get what you wanted and hop onto the other banner, again get what you wanted and then spark the 3rd character.The system is just too ingrained to change it now. After like 4-5 years.
>>575336186If you don't want both you will prefer the new system.You're more likely than not to get a character within 200 rolls, but with old system you had to discard all unspent recruitment points.
>>575335991i seethank you anoni'm a F2P with 30k pyro i hope it enough
The new system is bad because they started selling shitty new pakejis to compensate.
>>575336186Then roll for the 100 and see if you're lucky enough to get it in 100 pulls instead of hitting max pity? Like, 100 rolls in is when you should know if you saved 100 rolls or not.
>>575336220meant for >>575336118
>>575336186You're actually much better off now, then
>>575335225The worst I ever had to do to get both was 240.
>>575336213>first post is about 200 rolls>but have you considered math for 150 rolls?I have not. I will never ever care about anything except for what's good at 200 rolls.
>>575335327>I have only 24k pyro but I want both Makoto and Chiaki. I roll for Makoto up to 150, she doesnt show up. I change my mind and roll for ChiakiThere you go a scenario where it matters.Old system guarantees you Chiaki in 50 pulls. New system fucks you over If you decide to switch.
>>575336041shut up the math adds up. nobody upgrades students past 3 or 4 stars ever anyways.
>>575335267>Outright lessening the amount of pyros they hand out would carry a lot of bad press, but if they can make a system that is slightly more generous on average but makes retards impulse roll more, they'd probably make more money than they lose.That's a wrong premise. The whole fanbase is used to the current system. Giving less pyrox would be bad press, but somehow still less noticeable than players having to relearn how to budget a whole new gacha system.
How to improve BA so it makes more money>put in ads >remove sparks and add soft pity>allow players to purchase new units ($40 per unit)>allow players to get extra AP by watching ads>do not give free gems after each maint>stop making welfare units>put big screens in the cafe that shows random ads that can only be removed with real money (once a month)>make the only way to get elephs is by using gems or money. Ligmas can no longer be used to get elephs. Hard missions no longer give elephs>equipment can only be obtained by rolling them in a banner that uses gemsI just made BA seianigger friendly
>>575336404>change your mind in the middle of rollingHow about not being retarded?
>>575336337>discard>not rolling to 200 for more eligma and maybe get more dupes along the way
>>575335947kinda painful to see how it generated more attention than the new contents even.fuck greed
>>575336186you'll have to prepare 400 rolls if you want it guaranteedif you want to roll for 3 characters? You're fucked
>>575336221>'m rolling on more banners, yes. and guess what happens most of the time when I roll? I get at least 2 rate-ups in 200. which now has a lot less chance to happen than beforeOk so you're basing your opinion on a factually wrong assertion this explains a lot actually
>>575335267>what really hurts themit doesn't, they aren't hurt at all, this is a gacha gameFurthermore it's a pretty low-spend gacha game. Rare big cinematics, sparse voicing, and they don't make new content very often.Whales will always spend. Whales spend in systems where these is NO point in spending. But f2ps are like the total opposite, really not spending, or rare spending. Sure, it's nice if they spend, but you want the whales because the whales get you the real money. You try to fish out the whales, and you aren't "hurt" but f2ps unless it's a game where the servers are getting proper reamed.They just want more money, that's all
>>575336625you are not the brightest tool in the shed, saar
>>575335913tits too small
>>575335810What if I want the two students, like the Trinity Idols, for example>got Mari in 120 rolls>now I only have 80 rolls for Sakurako80 more rolls in the old system would guarantee Wappi. 20 rolls in the new system MIGHT give her, but if you lose the 50/50 you might as well uninstall
>>575335810What if I want both?
>>575336708F2Ps that get upset over this are mostly irrelevant since they likely wouldn't be spending anyway. The impulse rollers that I think they want to get at would be the ones already buying pakeji. You see people in these threads talking about prerolling on banners to "invest" in the new system. The incentive to roll more is there. People will be more likely to "throw a tenner" at some random banner because the pity carries over. Spending pyro on impulse they wouldn't have spent otherwise.
>>575336861The comparison charts and figures are here in this very thread just scroll up a bitIf you already saw them and still think the you're more likely to get the two rate-ups within 200 rolls with the old system than the new one you're beyond saving
>>575337240And if they get the student then they get it for almost free and if they don't then they don't lose anything. How's that bad?
>>575339987I never called it good or bad. I just outlined my idea of what Nexon would stand to gain by giving us better rates.
Bag sotp being too fast
>>575341370you are gay btw !!
>>575331492The pot calling the kettle black, redditman
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