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Thoughts on Surge?
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>>575395543SURGE, TAKE YOUR MEDSwhy are you so difficult, you KNOW how shitty you feel when you aren't on them!I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU FREAKING OUT OVER YOUR GHOST PLATYPUSES!
>>575395543She is Surge’s gf
>>575395543
>Egggman dies because his shitty ship crashes.Chadver has the idea to send Sonic back in time to prevent this blunder.>Sonic dies after being one-tapped by Mephiles.Chadver rallies everyone up to get the Chaos Emeralds to revive Sonic.And you bitches call him shit?
>>575396038He's only shit recently and there are two people to blame directly for that, neither of which care about depicting him as he was in the games until CrossWorlds.
You all just want to prove your fucking ships
>>575396038Optics are everything.Tails saved the world in Lost World, but because he didn't smile enough people don't count that achievement.
>>575396312No I don't. My ship should never be canon. It should never have any legitimacy whatsoever. People who want my ship need to be lynched.
>>575396038Eggman died at the end of Sonic Adventure.
>>575396313Lost World felt like a Saturday Morning Cartoon in the worst possible way. And the World they saved only felt like an empty grassy plane.
>>575396228>He's only shit recently>Implying people liked Pothead the Porcupine before.lol
>>575395543I WANNA FUCK THAT TENREC
>>575395903Yes, its unfortunate but there are people who argue that narrative-based media is kind of already dead.>>575396191It's not. It's literally in the game. The game establishes that time is concurrent and fate is real. There was no changing time by going back in time prior to the finale. Everything and everything all at once already happened because block theory
>>575396767Motherfucker, the crash that Sonic saw was the crash that Tails read about in the future where Elise died. Don't try to pretend you're media literate with this take.
>>575396368Your ship is better than Shadouge at least
>>575397101NO
The conversation literally started with someone asking "how did Eggman die when the game later shows he can escape the crash?"Sonic only goes back to save Elise. In both timelines, Eggman is off on his own.
is it narratively important what eggman's fate was in the 5 minutes when elise dies
>>575396767You're still at this shit, oh my god, let it fucking go.
>>575397325>"how did Eggman die when the game later shows he can escape the crash?"When he fights Sonic and doesn't bother trying to save the ship?
Eggfags can't accept Eggman died like a bitch once.
If we're going to argue about this we should at least r bring up that Sonic didn't die either. Elise literally says he isn't dead. That means Mephiles didn't kill him, he just stabbed him and turned him into the wind. You can't kill Sonic you can only turn him into wind.
>>575397397No.>>575397510The moment right before Sonic gets there is the last we see of it before the ship crashes. We know Eggman has a way to get out alone in both timelines. We know Elise dies in the first timeline. We know Sonic saves Elise in the first timeline. The point of the first timeline is that Elise dies.
Whether Eggman died or not isn't important, what's important is Elise's fate.
I was just making a joke that Sonic didn't give a shit about Eggman. I didn't mean to derail the general.
I haven't played 06, but why does Elise dying release Iblis, wouldn't it die with her? Also, if Elise dying was a way for Iblis to be released, what was Soleanna's longterm plans for the eventuality of her dying of natural causes?I know its a "fairy tale" and these kind of questions don't matter, but still.
>>575397794Okay, so, what would happen if they just left Sonic there and didn't get the emeralds? Would he just come back on his own?
If Sonic does whatever he wants would he steal a chilli dog if it was really tasty and owned by rich people who didn't need it but would still be mad if he stole it because it was their property
>>575396559>EmptyThe animal buddies live there. Oh and also Amy and Knuckles were there too.
>>575397827But you also said in your assumption that Mephiles probably killed Elise afterward which makes no sense and is bullshit. That scene was what created Silver's future. Sonic showing up was to display he prevented the outcome where they die.
>>575397895Iblis didn't release when she died, so I assume Iblis did die with her.
>>575397895It's never explained, but my interpretation is that the flame takes a different form/development process depending on how it's released. Elise crying releases it in a different way that doesn't immediately cause disaster, but that Mephiles can fuse with. Elise dying releases it in a different state that eventually evolves into what we see in the destroyed future, but that Mephiles can't fuse with. Presumably in this second case there is also enough time to seal the flame into a descendant.
>>575397903According to Tails in Forces another Sonic would be brought in anyways because there must be balance
>>575397098Media illiterate retard. The news report is not a ...Omg this is literally the language of new media thing I was just talking about.Facts on a story do not only exist in written or stated words.Yes, the news in the future says she died in that accident. That doesnt mean it is the objective truth of the story.It means the people in universe believed that is what happened to her.Elise sees Sonic and flashes back to Silver. That doesnt mean Sonic IS Silver.This isn't hard to understand.The game establishes that time in the game is fixed and fate is real. You dont go back in time and change the timeline. You go back in time to play out events you were already gonna do.Sonic is watching himself save Elise, not knowing that the ship failing was him in the middle of stopping Eggman and saving her, goes back in time and plays it out.This is what I mean when I say 06 is a midwit filter. The story has problems but most people are too retarded to even assess the story properly enough to discuss those actual problems.
>>575396312it's happen one day, I'll make sure of it
>>575398168It did, because that's what happened to lead to Silver's future. That's literally what records say. Elise died in the crash. How else is Iblis there?
If 06 story was so kinokinokino then we wouldn't be having this shitflinging right now.
>>575397895Because Iblis isn't Elise's baby, Elise is Iblis' prison.They probably figured that in the 60-70 years it would take for Elise to die, they'd have invented a big enough bazooka to kill Iblis.
>>575398167Not me>>575397794I have actually said this before lolMephiles killed Sonic physically, but you can't kill his spirit.
>>575397416Im not even the same anon, schizo
>>575398342*squint*But we literally saw nothing happen when she died.I mean you're right, but,I am very confused.
>>575397885Once more autism was underestimated.
>>575398294Bro, you're larping as literate when you're literally literate. Actually go over how the story proceeds and you'll see you're talking nonsense.
>06 story talkLet it fucking die, why won't you let it die?
>Sonic's spirit too strong to kill even if you murder him>but somehow the metal virus crisis made him panic
>>575398508That is called OOC
>>575398508>>but somehow the metal virus crisis made him panicic too according to SEGA btw.
>>575395975Amy is FATASFUCK
>>575398287>Classic Sonic gets warped to 06 to fight Solaris.
>>575397654If Eggman can survive launching out of the egg dragoon and flinging into falling debris, there is reason to believe his death is inconclusive.There isn't really objectively any reason to say he died since within the game itself, he is shown alive after the crash anyway in the Last Story.
>>575398607Yes, both IDW and Sonic 06/unleashed/SA2 are canon to each other so any difference between IDw and those games must have some kind of explanation
>>575398607no it isn't, it was>good enough, ship it.It's 2026, how are you still thinking there's quality control at Sega?
>>575397827>know Elise dies in the first timeline.No she doesn't because there are not multiple timelines. Past, present and future are treated as "locations" in space time connected through causality.Elise never died from the crash.If she died, it was from something else.
Sonic Prime is also canon which means everything Sonic does in Prime is something Sonic would do
>>575398404Or just seal him in her child or something or someone else in entirely. Or maybe they were going on boomer logic thinking "We'll be long dead when Elise is old and at death's door, so it won't be our problem lol."
>>575398860I can't believe Prime took a book out of a fan comic.
Has naka ever spoke with Evan?
>>575398673>he is shown alive after the crash anyway in the Last Story.Because he fought Sonic and wasn't caught in the explosion.
>>575397895>why does Elise dying release Iblis, wouldn't it die with her?Yes actually.Its the only explanation for why Iblis is loose in the future at all, unless Iblis in the future exists because of Mephiles freeing him from her and the future Silcer is from exists as a nevesary element of the timestream moreso than a causal one, would be that he was let out when she died, but I think that is a false assumption people are making, and its a really the former.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T PUT TIME TRAVEL IN YOUR PLOTS,WHY DO THEY DO IT? STOP IT, STOP IT NEVER WORKS!
>>575398836>If she died, it was from something elseThis is literal headcanon.
>>575398836I was reluctant to say timeline because I didn't want to get a response from you not because I have a problem with what you're saying, I just think it distracts from the point. Elise survives because Sonic saves her. Eggman has a way to survive on his own and Sonic does nothing to save him, if anything he makes it harder for him since they have a fight while the ship is crashing. Nothing in the game indicates that Eggman could die from the crash, only Elise's life was threatened.
>>575395543Sometimes I fantasize about Surge coming home drunk and beating me until I feel numb. She kicks me in the ribs until I can hardly breathe. Then starts to cry and apologizes, begging me to forgive her. She holds me all night as I gently cry into her t-shirt.
>>575398015No because he wouldn't want to
>>575398342See>>575399052If you believe Elise died on the ship (no evidence) then that would imply it didnt release because we dont see Iblis let out when the ship crashes ON SCREEN.
>>575399304this.I don't know why it's so confusing for peopleSonic's morality is that he does what he wants.>So why doesn't he rape and steal and kill?Cause he doesn't want to. Simple asStop self projecting your shitty personalities onto him as a way to understand.
>>575399158If Eggman could leave that easily, he would've taken Elise with him.
I wanted the pure vanilla 06 experience and now I want to kill myself.
>>575399140No it isn't. The the opposite of headcanon.You're the one attached to a conclusion that isnt in the game. Im saying "if she is dead, its from something we dont know"The game makes it clear that everything prior to end of the world was scripted by fate on some Jojo's shit.
>>575399470The SECOND iblis is released, all of reality explodes because Mehphiles instantly fuses with him.Why didn't that happen in the first time line if Iblis is released?
>>575398904>Or maybe they were going on boomer logic thinking "We'll be long dead when Elise is old and at death's door, so it won't be our problem lol."You have to remember, they're monarchy, the elite of the elite. They strive to live as long as possible, forever if it can be arranged. If they put something off for 50 more years, they'll probably actually live to see it pan out. Unless they're assassinated by the NWO or escape to a different planet, of course.
>>575399470Your proof is Iblis being around in the future where it's stated Elise died in the crash. There is nothing more to debate.
>>575399158I agree with you. Given Eggman is fine in thr Last Story, there is no reason to assume he is dead. The game even shows him comically flying out if his chair into debris in a slapstick way which is weird for how otherwise grounded and realistic the game is, which suggest to me they want you to believe Eggman cartoonishly survived.I'm just saying that the game treats Sonic's rescue not as a thing he went back in time to do, but as a thing he already did that he went back in time to act out because despite not knowing the full context.
Sonic isn't a hedonist. He does whatever he wants. He doesn't want to do evil things.He's not going to just rape the nearest attractive woman whenever he feels horny. Doing whatever you want is not the same as acting on every urge like a dumb animal. Otherwise Sonic would just piss where he stands.
>>575399482Its like a self report on these people. They are basically admitting ot implying if it weren't for law or morality, they would be raping and killing people.
>>575399915>I'm just saying that the game treats Sonic's rescue not as a thing he went back in time to do, but as a thing he already did that he went back in time to act out because despite not knowing the full context.This is HEADCANON. Silver's entire future wouldn't exist if this was the case.
That would be fucked up if Eggman let Elise die in the crash He went through all that trouble just to let a fucking engine failure to ruin his entire plan.
i love watching you guys talk about sonicit makes me feel
>>575399628>The SECOND iblis is releasedThis doesn't exist.You made it up because you cant wrap your head around time concepts that dont involve multiverse theory.There not multiple timelines.
>>575400146Exactly. They were both next to each other. Eggman didn't just drag her with him to his Eggmobile? He did so every other time.
>>575399553That's not what's in the game. You're writing a different story in your head and then blaming the game for not being what you imagined.>>575399915Were you the one who brought up that thing about lacking media literacy or whatever? Or agreed with me? Because that first post was using it to make fun of me for thinking Eggman survived the crash
>>575400056Stop self-replying
>>575397895>why does Elise dying release Iblis, wouldn't it die with her?It's like the Nine Tailed Fox from Naruto. It does die with her but it will just be reborn outside her body. The whole reason Silver couldn't deal with Iblis in her time period is because it just resurrects itself every time he kills it.
There is a deleted scene in Sonic Movie 3 where Tails just straight up says he doesn't care if Eggman dies and just wanted to stop Gerald. They should have left that in.
>>575400231Anon? Feel what? Anon? Anon! Aaaanoooonn!!!
>>575400231>it makes me feelDid the great emerald's power allow it?
>>575400232NO, That's what happens when Elise cries!Sonic gets shanked and Elise cries and INSTANTLY Mephiles is on the rebound and fuses. It's what happens!So when Elise dies, Mephiles would fuse with Iblis and destroy reality, but he doesn't, cause there IS NO IBLIS, Iblis fucking DIES in his vessel!
>>575400313 (Me)>Or agreed with me?*with him
>>575399828Then that Iblis was released from her crying.Because of how time works in the game, the Future must exist prior to Solaris recombinant, so Silver's future is a future that has to exist for the story to happen, and exists as a result of Elise crying after Sonic was killed by Maphiles and ravages the world as opposed to being combined with Solaris.Everything that happens in End of the world exists OUTSIDE OF TIME. It isn't something happening inside the timestream.
>>575400360Nine is inside Elise??????
>>575400313>That's not what's in the gameNeither is Eggman surviving but you still wish to die on that hill.
>>575400447He died happy.
>>575400421Based Tails had it with everyone's shit.
>>575400553>Then that Iblis was released from her cryingNo, it isn't. The game itself tells you what happened. She died. You are not only making shit up, but ignoring information from the game itself.
>>575400590basically,pretty much the same thing honestly.Wait... in fact, Sonic does steal a lot of ideas...oh shit Iblis might just be a retooled nine tails.
>>575400780I think that anon was joking about Nine in Prime.
>>575400616Eggman survives the ship crashing even with Sonic trying to kill him while it happens lol
All of this, just because Eggman got horny?
>>575400553>Silver's future is a future that has to exist for the story to happen, and exists as a result of Elise crying after Sonic was killed by Maphiles and ravages the world as opposed to being combined with Solaris.No. Elise died in Silver's timeline and that released Iblis onto the world causing his ruined future. That's the day of disaster.
>>575399628Mepheles needed all seven chaos emeralds to properly resurrect himself.
I'm glad I'm not a illiterate jap purist retard. Must be tough to seethe yourself everyday and schizoing over imaginary monsters.
What if Elise convinced Iblis to be good with the power of friendship
>>575400107It exists because Mephiles made Elise cry.>>575400313>Were you the one who brought up that thing about lacking media literacy or whatever? Or agreed with me? Because that first post was using it to make fun of me for thinking Eggman survived the crashThe people saying otherwise are pseuds. Im saying they lack the media literacy.>>575400476When Mephiles fuses with Iblis, he is destroying/absorbing space time.End of the world os what remains of time.The events of Silver's future dont follow from Solaris fusing. That doesnt make sense.SILVER'S future exists as a time remnant from the fact Iblis rampages after being released by Mephiles.That shit basically plays itself out to create Silver's future while the gang are in End of the World outside of the timestream. And in that played out version, Iblis isnt absorbed and keeps going.
But if Sonic was killed by Mephiles, how much would Amy eat in grief?How much weight would she gain?The real question is, how quickly would Amy become immobile from obesity and depression?I say 2 weeks.
>>575400986Oh yeah, that's right....wait how the fuck did he get those? Didn't Silver have them? Did Shadow have a few?Ow, I'm not even kidding for hahas, my head is hurting.
In 06 Amy cried but Tails just kind of looked sad
>>575400773>>575400983This isn't an argument. We already explained ehy your assesment is wrong based on info from the game.She didnt die from the crash.The same population that wrote that shit also blamed Shadow for the world going to shit and Iblis taking over.Why? BECAUSE MEPHILES LOOKS LIKE SHADOW.
Elise is a jinchuriki
>>575401192Tails is a bastard, confirmed.
>>575400976Elise is NOT built like all that
The game was developed in 2 weeks top, why are we taking it this seriously? isn't the whole reason why it did so much damage because journalists took too seriously in the first place? why are you guys trying to act like these faggots?
This is just another of 168748468461 reasons to vault Silver btw. Seriously the worst.
>>575400983LUTERALLY FAKE NEWS, retard. In the game itself they blame Shadow for Iblis.They believed Elise died on the ship.That doesnt mean she did. Because of how time works on the gamez she objectively did not die on that ship because Sonic saved her.
>>575401063Your headcanon is not real.>>575401243>THE GAME IS WRONG!Read above.
plot holes don't matter
>>575401376More people would miss him than Blaze.
>>575401371>The game was developed in 2 weeks topStop being retarded and let us discuss the game.
>caps lock onUh oooohhh, meltie soon?
>>575400590>>575400934This reminds me of a crackpot thought I had once and now I think >Kurama (the nine tailed fox) sealed inside Nine >Sonic Prime Demon Path
>>575401192Same in SA2.
>>575401378Shadow was used as a scapegoat for people's frustrations.
>>575401506Friend, discussing it would make us FEEL retarded
>>575401435>Your headcanon is not real.Your media illiteracy is not a real argument.>the game is wrongNo retard. The game is correct. Your assesment of ehat the game is saying is what is wrong.
>bad future happens>people blame shadow because he's so powerful this was always stupid
>>575401619Why? Because Mephiles did it and looks like Shadow. So he got blamed.People saw Mephiles unleashing Iblis and blamed Shadow for it.
Why don't you guys just go play 06 again instead of just arguing about shit you clearly don't remember? All of you.
>>575401690Brother, you're making shit up. That's not how it happened in the game. It literally tells you what did happen and you're making fanfiction in response.
Reject 06Embrace Rush
>>575401841I remember it just fine. People here just treat stories like Wikipedia statements and can't understand the idea of narrativeThese are the same people who insisted for years that thr Artificial Chaos and the Emerald Shrine and Chaos Drives in SA2 "didn't mean anything" until you show them a guide statement because wikipediabrain.
You guys should be more full of whimsy
>>575401190He used the one Chaos Emerald he had to chaos control the other emeralds to him.
>>575401841I would rather have this then people clawing their eyes out about how ooc the comics are
LMAO of course the darkage virgins here being all bragging and uppity about just how le cinema le kino are their shitty dark age slop will come to crumbles with ease just as soon people debate with them about it.Never change dark age virgins. You guys really make for a good clown fest.
>>575401243>>575401378Do you even remember the game? The last story timeline where Mephiles kills Sonic can't happen in Silver's timeline because he'd just form Solaris and there'd be no Iblis to ruin the world.
>>575401820That wasn't the point of the narrative. When everything went wrong they blamed Shadow out of fear because that's how petty humans can be. Shadow was collateral damage. It's how Mephiles tries to tempt Shadow to join him and shows Shadow's resolve while even knowing humanity will turn against him one day.
>>575402106Well shit, then he can just do that at any time.So he could have done that when Elise died.Which means Iblis didn't release when she died.
>>575401908Silver calls Shadow Mephiles.Does that make Shadow Mephiles?
>>575402106Is this a Mephiles only power?
>>575402008Somehow, has a worse depiction of Sonic
Yeah on the second thought maybe it's a good thing SEGA moved on off 2000s stories
One of my favorite things about sa2 is when live and learn fades into the credits. That was so cool https://youtu.be/CHHitu8726k?si=M6A7orDuCmtoQQ_W&t=212The Ark floating above the earth is such a simple and cool visual.
>>575402123>Sonic 06 has a shitty story!This isn't the own you think it is.
>>575402357>>Sonic 06 has a shitty story!Yes!
>>575402239This is post of yours is pure bait.
>>575402008Of course you're going to feel insecure and left out
>>575402328Because we're analyzing and discussing one of them?
>>575402225>>575402246Mepheles got stronger by absorbing Shadow's err shadow. This implies he has all of Shadow's chaos powers.
>>575402206I literally just explained it to you.By your own logic, Silver shouldnt even exist because end of the world happens.No, Silver's future still exists and End of the world happens on what remains of time. It is not happening in the actual flow of time>>575402224This legit just sounds like you reciting Bible verses because youre unwilling to reassess your beliefs about what happens in the game infamous for being confusing to people because of time travel bs.Mephiles states that is what happened. Yes. That doesnt make ehat I said suddenly false because you are attached to an imaginary version of the events in your head where people jist went "I need something to blame, uhhh what about Shadow? Yeah lets blame him!" with no further depth or context to explain and justify it.The game goes out of its way to have characters recognize and confuse Shadow and Mephiles as is.Mephiles is intentionally trying to manipulate and goad Shadow by showing him what happened. He tells half-truths in order to create the outcome he wants.This isnt hard to get.
>we>analyzing>discussinglol
>>575401070>Yes>Yes>I’d say one week
>>575402753Your fanfic version of 06 is not canon, man.
>>575402484Answer the question. Im being dead serious.
Something about 06 you have to remember is that we are dealing with multiple timelines. That's why ESP Silver i.e. Bad Future Silver still exists.
>>575402545"analyzing and discussing" and we're having a shitstorm here of retards debating whichever headcanon is the best actually.
End of the world is after Solaris destroys all of time and the concepts of past, present, and future no longer exist. Right?
...am I Mephiles?Do I unleash Iblis if I die?
>>575402716This.Its even stated in his Next bio.
Is it in character for Princess Sally to have sex with Solaris?
>>575402908What question? Silver didn't even know who Shadow was when he met Mephiles. Us, the players, know who Shadow was and that this guy was just skin-walking Shadow's shadow.
>>575402880>stop assessing the story. Accept my headcanon insteadThis must be bait now.
>>575403062>>575402716Wait. wait.But he had that when Elise died.He got that all the way at the start of Shadow's story.So... yeah he should have been able to fuse if Iblis released from Elise's deathI think... I think that settles it.Iblis dies on host death.
>>575403193>my headcanonYou mean YOUR headcanon because everything I've stated is said straight from the game itself. So is the game "headcanon"?
>>575402989That isnt what that means in the context of 06.Otherwise Mephiles would not already know who Shadow is before they met.Shadow would not say "I already know what becomes of the scepter of darkness "in the future." As in THE Future.
>>575403158Yes
>>575403417That's a sexy Sal
>>575402989Pic is a mistranslation. In Japanese he says Solaris is erasing the concept of time, not "all timelines"
>>575403001He is in the middle of doing it. It isnt already all destroyed.But yes. End of the world os essentially a pocket dimension in space time. They are sitting in erased time like King Crimson
Kill Nakamura for his crimes. KILLLLLLLLLLLLL KILL KILL
>>575403507Nakamura did nothing wrong
This is the only fandom where information stated in-game is somehow debatable or not good enough. No wonder Ian's walls of text is seen as genius writing.
>>575395543She's really hot and is conceptually interesting but her writing is so bad that it takes me out of it every timeStill cute tho
>>575403604orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Sonic Team just sucks balls on story department and loves putting style first before substance!
>>575403231>Iblis dies on host death.Or is technically still "sealed". That itself is nonsense cause it's the chaos emeralds that are used to "seal" Iblis and Mepheles.
>>575403693They tell you what happens, dude, but you need a whole essay of information in order for it to be "valid" because this fandom is so autismo.
>>575403165>Silver didn't even know who Shadow was when he met Mephiles.Not even a little bit relevant.Answer the question.>>575403231>Iblis dies on host death.Correct>>575403330No. Everything you stated is you extrapolating statements from the game out of their context like database elements and treating those database elements like scripture.A newspaper with the headline :princess of Soleanna dies 50 years ago" is not the game stating definitively that Elise died in the crash anymore than Heroes' newspaper being proof Sonic stole Covola and Froggy in Heroes or Sonic having stolen an emerald from the bank in SA2 because the news report stated he did.News being wrong isnt even new in this series. Every game Maekawa wrote has this trope.
>>575403604If we took official statement as fact we'd all have to give up on shipping
>>575402753https://youtu.be/xH6HiEoIdUY?si=EE86-5iiNwA5SeRT&t=1889Elise dies on the ship and Sonic only saves her after going back in time with Silver's help.
You know, Takashi Iizuka explaining that "everyone has amnesia" after Sonic 06 makes a lotta sense. I mean, just look at how nonsensical the facts of that game is.
So basically.Everything would have worked out fine if Silver murdered Elise.
>>575403791Or >>575398234
>>575403458Sally was designed to be sexy
>>575403334If there is more than one timeline then there is more than one of every character. Hell, Mepheles uses two chao emeralds to clone himself at the end of Shadow's arc.This ain't a mobius strip situation. It's just multiple timelines.
>>575403996Sonic is watching himself save Elise without knowing he is doing so which is why he goes back in time to save her.
>>575404052>Takashi Iizuka explaining that "everyone has amnesia"This quote is heavily decontextualized. The question isn't about why Blaze is in the game. It's about what happens at the end of the last story, after Solaris is killed and everyone in the recreated world has "amnesia" in regards to the old one.
>>575403947>Answer the questionIt was answered. You're losing the plot here, buddy.
>>575404154Or if they'd just chaos controlled Iblis to Mars.
>>575404480uhhh...Iblis is immune to teleportation.
>>575404154There was no version of the story where he does because he only goes back because Mephiles sends him back.We dont know one way or the other if her death frees Iblis. Mephiles is not motivated by practicality. He is the hand of god playing 5D chess working his way backwards from his desired outcome.
>>575404363Point still stands. The plot is such a trainwreck that not remembering anything is the only correct answer.
>>575403947>News being wrong isnt even new in this seriesDo you really want to reopen the can of worms on GUN and the world mistaking Sonic for Shadow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBV7QDr7uf4
>>575404290The game states and demonstrates otherwise.Mephiles making copies of himself in his bossfight doesnt proce anything.He did that with 2 chaos emeralds and shadow beat them all up
>>575404391You actually didn't answer it. You avoided it because you know he wil make you sound stupid if you just give a yes or a no.>>575404659That doesn't make sense. You could have a nonsensical plot and move on from it. That's not what's happening here. Solaris destroyed time, they killed Solaris created a new world, and lost their memories in the process.
>>575404269Here’s a better design
>>575404391You gave an evasive answer. Does Silver calling Shadow Mephiles make him actually Mephiles? Yes or no?
>>575404846Damn, the royal family really let themselves go
>>575404798>Solaris destroyed time, they killed Solaris created a new worldNo, Sonic and Elise went even further into the past and snuffed out Solaris before anything could happen...A thing that they could technically do from the start cause time travel in 06 has no rules.
>>575404901>You gave an evasive answerHow didn't I answer it?Sounds lile you didn't like the answer you got. Get over it.
>>575404684It was never a plot hole to begin with. The idea that it is is a forced meme on the level of "why doesnt anyone recognize Superman is Clark Kent wirh glasses?!"No one had a problem with it when the game came out. Shadow was a new character and there was no basis for describing him other than the fact he looked like a black evil Sonic.
>>575404770>The game states and demonstrates otherwise.No >>575402989And don't give me that "mistranslation" bullshit either.
>>575404798Same as here >>57540510What was incorrect about the answer?
>>575403158Sally does whatever she wants
>>575405075Sonic and Elise don't time travel in the last story. There's a flashback, that doesn't mean they're literally back in time. The game literally says Solaris destroyed time and time no longer exists. Sonic says that Solaris stole the present time in itself. Sonic, Shadow, and Silver beat up Solaris until only a flame was left. Elise thinks about her childhood, and then blows out Solaris in its flame form.
>>575405075>No, Sonic and Elise went even further into the pastNTA but No no no no no this isn't what we see in the game.End of the world is what remains of time.There is no traveling in time in End of the world.Sonic and Elise find themselves in a fragment of time. They didnt time travel.Then they blew out the flame and the timeline reforms itself with this event having happened.If it was time travel, they would still be in that point in time after they blow out the flame, but they aren't.Instead the timeline resets with the events playing out as if Solaris' flame is gone and everyone has vague dejavu.
Bro is really trying to sell his headcanon here.
>make assumption>story does something that contradicts the assumption>value the assumption over the actual storyI'm noticing that a lot of "plot hole" complaints play out like this
>>575405107Dude, its a message board conversation about a shitty videogame. Maybe youre the one that needs to get over yourself a little if youre gonna be thos bullish just to protect your ego.Information within a story reflects the believes of the characters, not objective statements of fact. The news report is what the masses believed to be true. Not an objective statement of what happened. Fake news is comon in the sonic series. Especially in Maekawa stories.
>>575405206You're literally databasing right noe.
>>575405621>Maybe youre the one that needs to get over yourself a littleAnon, you're the one making up shit and insisting it's real even though you keep getting debunked.
>>575405206It literally is a mistranslation. He doesn't talk about timelines in Japanese.>>575405107>>575405282Can't say seeing as you didn't answer. It's easy, yes or no? Just say it anon.
gun tried to catch sonic because they thought he was shadow. there was never any 4d chess of a government cover up about it. yes the government is dumb
>>575405812>you didn't answer.I did. You just didn't like it.
>>575405431I get the sense this is a "youre not allowed to show how 06 makes sense actually" thing going on more than anything. Gotta protect the narrative.06s story has enough issues that we dont have to pretend the things in the game are not in the game.Multiversefags are allergic to any other concept of time because Western audiences are allergic to the concept of fate.
>>575405920I didn't see it then. Must have been because your post are so cluttered. Surely you won't mind answering again.Yes or no?
>>575406060>Your post are so cluttered
>>575405289>Nicole! Run Amy simulation!
>>575405016I also have an Elias piece but it’s too NSFW for a blue board
>>575405289when's the baby due Nicole?
>>575406023That is exactly what's happening but now that you said it they might derail the conversation into some nonsense about "having standards" or how you're "ruining the series" by talking about it honestly. It's so obnoxious.
>>575406023Your headcanon makes less sense than the canon story.
>>575406176>Not again
>>575405809>making upI didnt make anything up. I am following he logical train of thought and taking the game's information to its logical conclusion based on what is fully presented in the game.You're choosing to ignore and dismiss elements you dont like or have trouble understanding under the page idea of "bad writing" instead.Who is the one headcanonning right now?The game goes out of its way with Silver, Elise and Shadow to show that the events that happened innthe past already happened. That's why Mephiles in the future already looks like Shadow. Why Elise has the Blue Chaos Emerald and thinks Sonic looks like Silver and why Shadow states he already knows what becomes of the scepter of Darkness innthe future and why Mephiles even has a grudge against Shadow and already knows him when he is let out of the scepter when it broke in the present.The game demonstrates this to us. This cannot be argued. So that forces is to reassess all the information in the game with this in mind. That is all I have done. And lo and behold it tracks and makes sense.
>>575405334>Sonic and Elise don't time travel in the last story.Nothing says "liar" like refusing to post screenshots from the game. Sonic and Elise travel into the past with the "true Solaris" and put out the flame before it got all corrupted.
>>575406329
>>575406152Is this how you "answer" questions? I have problems with my keyboard. I've made similar typos in the previous thread. Now, yes or no?
Why is all the "evidence" to these supposed events and outcomes in 06 sourced from completely different games? (It happened in Adventure, CD, blah blah blah, so it happened in 06!)
>>575406527
>>575406419>I am following he logical train of thought and taking the game's information to its logical conclusion based on what is fully presented in the game.You aren't. You are shown information from 06 that it blatantly states something and go "It didn't happen that way."
>>575406492That's a screenshot of the flashback.
>>575402008> RushI will forever be thankful to Secret Rings for saving the franchise from certain death.
>>575406260If anything this has shown me that makong a story for a game series like Sonic the hedgehog was the issue to begin with.Its too high brow. Pariah was right.
>>575406704
>>575406060>I didn't see it then.You didn't like it, so you dismissed it and keep repeating me to answer again in order to wear me down. Stop being a fag and admit your view in 06's story is baloney.
>>575406586You're still thinking about Eggman's death, which hasn't been discussed for like an hour. And you're lying about it. You can see Eggman survives in game.>>575406775What was he right about? The only thing I remember him saying about this game is that he wanted Sally in it
>>575406869
>>575406712Know, I am saying "the information presented in the game is not falsifiable" and doesnt reflect what we actually see in the game.We see the ship crash and Sonic assumes Elise dies because he read the newspaper saying she dies in the crash.We dont see her dying. We dont even see the supposed release of Iblis that you claim happens when she supposedly died on the crash.So how am I the one making things up?>he's baiting you broI know. Im done replying.
>>575406892I'm not the anon explaining that view. I think he is making a convincing argument and you failed to answer his question because doing so will make your argument look even worse. He asked you a simple binary yes/no question and you never gave a yes/no answer.
>>575406901Eggman's death and Elise's death and you're obviously the same guy debating them. Just give it a rest. They died. We don't need these fanfic scenarios and these other games as "sources".
>>575406718Yawn, you're wrong. Try again.
>>575405610This also happens to Archie Sonic. No one here ever read it, yet everyone assumes Sally is a slut when she never went out with someone else ever. Even on breakup, she was still thinking on Sonic.
>>575407035
>>575407078>I'm not the anon explaining that view. I think he is making a convincing argumentYou're not fooling anyone, man. And if you're somehow not the same retard, you're just as retarded and disingenuous as him.
>>575407137>made out with another man in front of her boyfriend
>>575407124Why is it in a sepia tone? Why do Sonic and grown up Elise walk faze through kid Elise and the Duke a the sepia tone goes away?
>>575407185
>>575406901>What was he right about? I think it was in his SA2 video or 06 video. Can't remember.At one point I believe he talks about how at some point whether the plot is good or bad doesnt even matter. The fact we have to discuss it this much and have all these arguments about it and all thos confusion about it suggests it doesnt even belong in a Sonic game to begin with and it is well beyond the scope of its target audience.I was resistant to this before but looking at things like IDWs Metal Virus getting praised purely on just surface level shock value with no actual substance or making the audience think but having hype moments and aura got it praised as amazing.The mass audience of the series doesnt actually want "conplex and indepth stories like the adventure era". They just want the veneer of it.They didnt fully get these stories to begin with.
>>575407185>>575407357
>>575407252Yeah, shit like that exactly, never happened yet retards here run amok with it just to feel contrarian.
Sally would love Jet since he's the actual closes character to archienic
>sonic was predestined by fate to save elise from the crash>sonic used time travel to defy fate to save elise
>>575407321>Posts screenshot proving Sonic and Elise travel into the pastExactly. They traveled into the past before Solaris got corrupted thus undoing the events of 06.
>>575407225That anon isn't me. I have up asking you to answer long ago. You made yourself look like a bullish moron as is.Other anon is wasting their time on you, but they have my blessing to keep trying.
>>575407419All I got for now
>>575407435>never happenedExcept it did. You are lying to protect Archie.
This general fuckin sucks.
>>575405610Yup. See >>575407403 The audience for this series doesnt wanna discuss and think about stories. They wanna feel smart and smug online.
>>575407225Everyone who disagrees with you must be one person lol>>575407094I wasn't even questioning Elise's death at all until he brought it up. My argument was only about Eggman, and it applies whether you interpret it as one timeline or multiple. At the end of Kingdom Valley, we only see Eggman panic. The game says Elise died. Sonic goes back in time to save Elise, not Eggman. Sonic and Eggman fight, and Eggman still survives regardless. Also, I was under the impression that the other anon was attacking me at first, I thought he either said or agreed with someone saying I have no media literacy for thinking Eggman survived.
>>575407561You were given an answer on your retarded question and then keep asking me to answer it again because you didn't like the answer. This is all on you. You plainly don't know how to argue your position.
>>575407435Only read Flynn Archie spotted
>>575407435Damn Sallyfags don't even like Sally Acorn
>>575407503Except it didnt defy fate. He was always meant to think Elise died so he could go back in time to save her.He isn't seeing Elise die. He is assuming she is dead because he sees the crash, and the newspaper primes him to believe she will die if he doesnt get there before the crash.Its like people who reset after falling off a platform in a videogame.
>>575407435"Flynnism" is real after all l, I guess.
>>575407513Are your screenshot and my screenshot both the past?
>>575407710I asked a Yes or No question and you said "Silver doesnt know who Shadow is" which is a nonsequitor.
>>575407403Kinda sad.
Yep, Sonic and Elise travel back into the past in order to kill Solaris before it becomes the flames of disaster.Mepheles was retarded for not time traveling to merge with Iblis in the start.Iblis is still a retarded monster.And the Chaos Emeralds continue to be the all purpose McGuffin.
>>575407435Did you not fucking read Archie Sally objectively hated Sonic being a free spiritSally objectively kissed and flirted with other men while with Sonic
>>575408230>which is a nonsequitor.It wasn't, proving you're using words you don't understand.
>>575408297>>575408106>>575408020>>575407795>>575407586Why samefag bro
Sally would wait for Sonic, for 25 years, in fact. Saving herself only for him.
>>575408291>Yep, Sonic and Elise travel back into the past in order to kill Solaris before it becomes the flames of disaster.Eggman said Solaris destroyed the very concept of time.>Mepheles was retarded for not time traveling to merge with Iblis in the start.Iblis is still a retarded monster.If he didn't do that it is evidently because he couldn't. The details of how merging works are never properly established. The sensible assumption is that Mephiles needed it to be released in a certain way (Elise crying).
Sally would never, ever look at another man. Never happened.
>>575408305A non-sequitor is a response or statement that doesnt logically follow from what came before.That is what your response was.I asked a yes or no question. You made a remark about something not relevant to the question.You didn't even attempt to dismiss the merit of the question. Last (You)
>>575407795>PendersNever read Archie spotted.>>575408297Baiting retarded underage with projecting headcanons, who knew.
>>575408305You didn't answer his question.
>>575408551>Eggman said Solaris destroyed the very concept of time.True Solaris god powers pwns logic.Also sucks that 4cuck is limited to 4MB and 120 second videos. Poop needs to upgrade his hardware with that kike money.
>>575408403>Based Randomfox understand Sally better than Sallyfags
>>575408297bestieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>575395062Chip would give an amazing blowjob
>>575408793Do you think that scene is Sonic and Elise time traveling to the past and then walking through younger Elise and the Duke, unnoticed, while the sepia effect fades?
>>575408740>It's a writer I don't like so it didn't happen
>>575408981I think your self own is hilarious.
>Sally isn't a whore
>>575408740Watch, now the Sallyfag will claim Sally works with gamenic
>>575402989"Timelines" is referring the "The Past", "The Present" and "The Future" which are treated as seperate "time lines" in the context of the story.You're begging the question here by instinct its him confirming the game works on multiverse when we know it doesnt.
If we try to put all the events of Sonic06 on a whiteboard to make linear sense of it, how bad does Silver end up looking in the end?
>>575409263Silver rapes women before rewinding it all away.
SALLY IS A SLUT! ELISE IS PURE
>>575408736>Last (You)Thank fuck since you were going full retarded and using terms like "non-sequitor" like you actually understand what it means. You didn't like my answer and discarded it. End of story, autist.
>>575409050?I simply asked what you believe is happening in that scene. Is that an accurate description of what you think is happening, or do you think it's something else?I think the sepia indicates a flashback, ad the regular colored scene is what is happening in the "End of the world" location after Solaris is reduced back to its original form by SSS. It's okay if you disagree, so please give me a honest response and explain your position instead of stupid snarky remarks about how I epicly owned myself by doing nothing
Sally is loyal to her ultimate true love, Nicole. She has never looked at another person in her life. All of that was from a past life that she doesn't remember.
Sally struts around naked for easy access.
>>575409464You never answer his question.
>>575409480>how I epicly owned myselfYou sure as hell did.
I said only few words and you're getting upset. You sure you're not a bestie?
>>575408272Its blatantly true though.This is the same series where the subreddit jad to ban talk about Sonic.exe of all fucking things because there are a massive amount of people in the fandom that are in thebseries for that thing specifically because its a shock shlock version for Sonic.This fandom is filled with people that literally deserve the Happy Tree Friends writers because thats actually what people want.People who want real stories that make them think are the minority. People jist want database elements to remix out of context for fandom and social media. Its not about the story but having more toys to play with. I wouldn't be shocked if most people that want more Advance games just want more sprites for flash animations and shit.Its idocracy in here.Narrative media already died.
Sally being written by Ken Penders doesn't make her a slut. He made everyone a slut. If Sage was in early Archie he would make her a slut because it's Penders. He had very little respect for female characters. Sally moving on from Sonic after the mandates hit does not make her a slut. Who the fuck would want to date Windnic except a crazy person. Imagine being called a slut because you wouldn't endlessly chase discount Goku
>>575408741I did. He tried to pull a retarded gotcha by saying "Hurr Silver called Mephiles Shadow, so does that make it true?" like it validated the shit he was making up. I answered as it was presented in the story and that wasn't good enough for him. What a clown.
Sally would have sex with everyone in this thread.
>>575409658Ok>>575409736I guess it is true... The Sonic.exe community feels very disconnected from the Sonic community though, at least
>>575409736>This fandom is filled with people that literally deserve the Happy Tree Friends writers because thats actually what people want.It's sad that we went from an audience that said "Man, I wish we had better writing again" to an audience that, as you say, probably just appreciates something like that more. I guess that's just what happens when a fanbase moves on and gets replaced by the younger generation, but it's sad we couldn't leave them something better.
>>575409862Except Woefag
Sonamyfags love acting like windfags wouldn't kill them on sight if Sonallyfags didn't exist
>>575409369>It was all going to be undone anyways, I thought, might as well try it.>I-I didn't like it, so...
>>575409793Everything written on a newspaper must be true though, right? I'm sorry anon, I think you made the worse arguments here.
>>575410080Amy is a windfag, though.
https://youtu.be/8yx8KSyXEO0
Tails
>>575410187Nothing contradicts it besides you trying to dispute it using made up crap.
Sally would fuck Silver too
>>575410061I dont even think its a "newer gen" thing. The people on the fanbase doing this are people around our age or older.The younger base just takes what they are given.The kinds of people that stick around and get invested long term are the ones that get invested in the substance, whether its the unique gameplay of the series, its themes and messages and its characters.The people that dont just treat it as disposable content before moving onto their next obsession.
>>575410229Amy canonically the biggest windnic autist in universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuBiyBxQJtIAnother worldIt may rain alwaysI don't wanna cryYou're alive by my sideEven if I see all tragedy or darknessI promise you my dreamTake you in sunshine
>>575410472I think it's split, but trends younger. I'm an old fuck who was playing this series as a tiny child when it debuted. But even among some of my peers only a few years younger, I know some of them are a lot more forgiving of what the series is doing now than I am. But you can tell that most of the people who seem happiest with what they're given are the 20-something and younger crowd, particularly on Twitter and Reddit.
Archienic deserved to watch his girlfriend kiss a skunk
>>575410957>But you can tell that most of the people who seem happiest with what they're given are the 20-something and younger crowd, particularly on Twitter and Reddit.Well yeah I imagine because they have all this "content" from 35 years worth of series and fandom to enjoy and slurp up.My question is hoe many of them will actually stick around, and among them what is it in the seriesnthey will actually stick around for?My view and taste and appreciation for the series is arguably stronger than ever but it also has become more discerning.Many things I mindlessly consumed because "moar sawnic" are things I leave left behind or maybe have a passing appreciation for rather than it being the thing that keeps me around. Most people I see are some version of this.
>sleep>wake up>autists are still seething at archieit's a monday. don't you have a jerb
Rouge doesn't steal jewels
>>575409745>why would a cartoon character act like a cartoon characterI find it interesting that despite a preference for humanoid characters, Japan seems more content with them acting like cartoons whereas here we have people asking why the 3 foot cartoon hedgehog with superspeed series' character dont act like realistic and mundane individuals with 9 to 5s like its animal crossing.
>>575411572It's still Sunday
Reading this thread has been a trip.Why is someone so adamant that the newspapers reciting the *singular day* a big ass aircraft exploding, the princess of the nation dying inside it, and the release multi-generation tormenting lava monster... is wrong? What does the story gain from it being wrong?
>>575411839so you wasted a sunday seething at your least favorite media aimed for kids? pathetic
>>575411798>why would a cartoon character act like a cartoon characterI don't know why you're responding as if this is about Amy's characterization issues when it's about Sally's.Sally's dynamic with Sonic is built on whether or not he can develop properly for her, after the reboot he can't. As Ian described it's in her character to move on. There is no aspect of "cartoon acting like a cartoon" that interferes with this. That's who Sally already is. She isn't a japanese character and she wasn't coined as a mascot.
Boy
>>575412094It's not for kids because sonic us infamous for porn
>>575411798idk anon I would give Sally a week before losing patience with windnic based solely on how she acts in satam
>>575412248Show me your favorite M rated Sonic media that was approved by sega and not a fan work
>>575411869Beats me. It's cut and dry that Elise dying causes Silver's Bad future. An event that happens cause Sonic was in the future thus not around to save her.Whatever experiment Eggman did to Elise, it failed spectacularly.
>>575411839most beautiful surge pic eversonurgefags will seethe
I think the made the right call with modern Amy. People claim that they miss 2000s Amy but she was annoying. Arguably just as controversial as Sally. Sonic fans reviewing 06 back in the day were literally under the impression that Sonic was aromantic. Even all those big name brainscratch reviewers. That clearly doesn't match with how Amy fans say Sonic "secretly likes her". Her current portrayal allows her to interact with Sonic without driving him away. It might not be accurate to what she was intended to be but it's better. 2000s Amy was the butt of the joke.
No seriously, when you need people to be familiar with Eternalism and Block Universe theory of time and retrocausality maybe your story doesnt belong in a Sonic game.Doesn't even matter if the story makes sense or not at that point.Its too high brow for the series about The Fast Blue cartoon hedgehog series.SA2 at least was a cheesy action B movie. Even Shadow was a spoof on shit like Independance day.Jojofags cant even accept their inability to make sense of King Crimson and instead blame Araki.It just shouldnt have been told in this series. The fanbase are action junkies rhat just wanna hold forward, press the boost button or press down on hills to watch Sonic go fast on screen in via their method of preference.They dont have the attention span for this shit.
>>575412583Sonic fans are known to be OOC and inconsistent as eras change
>>575412489>An event that happens cause Sonic was in the future thus not around to save her.That doesnt even makes sense eith your oen assertion of how time travel works.How can Sonic not be there to save her if he is in the future? So time is moving in the present while Sonic is in the future?
>>575412583>I think the made the right call with modern Amy.t. Ian Flynn
>>575412583>Her current portrayal allows her to interact with Sonic without driving him awayIt already did. SA2, Riders, Zero Gravity, Generations, Unleashed. X.Her actual character didnt drive him away. Her being written differently isn't why she is written as part of the squad. These are seperate things.
>>575412681We live in a very weird era where "purism" is prevalent. some tailsfag on shitter tried to "correct" me on Sonic's and Eggman's canon dynamic. the funny part was that tailsfag got it wrong. do sonicfags even enjoy consuming sonic anymore?
>>575412346That time Sonic raped Bunnies from the comic
>>575412826>oenLolAlso, watch Dragon ball Z. Specifically the android saga. Then go watch Dragon ball Super. Specifically the Future Trunks saga.
Just finished Sonic's story. I like how the gameplay is the final form of the Adventure style. as a concept, it's like a perfect fusion of SA1, SA2 and Heroes/Shadow05. I also have the same issue as Hero Story from SA2, it's too fast paced. It's just Sonic and the gang jumping from one set piece to another because they're chasing Eggman and nothing more than that.
>>575413054What did they say?>purismThis is the inevitable outcome of a series that is this fragmented and doesnt have people drawing proper boundaries between portrayal and continuity.You dont see people confusing SatAM or Underground for Sonic anymore but you do see people confuse fanworks, Boom and Movie Sonic for Sonic. And fanworks in particular are bad because they tend to be based on disparate elements that people otherwise agree arent relevant.Its not even unique to Sonic.
I related to Sally fucking other guys
>>575413054>do sonicfags even enjoy consuming sonic anymore?a lot of them don't and only stick around because of familiarity of something they grew up with. That or ego stroking for having esoteric knowledge about the franchise
AHHHGGGGGGG!I thought Dash & Spin Chousoku Sonic was finally found! BUT IT JUST TURNED OUT TO BE MISLABLED YAOI!Why must I be denied and mocked for JUST WANTING TO READ THIS MANGA?!
>>575413310Slut.
>>575413156>admits he is just forcing DBZ rules onto SonicAt least I got you to admit it.Sonic in 06 goes back in time to save Elise. He does from the Present to the Present but before the crash.Explain this.
>>575413294Thats because Archie is insanely OOC and the movies have literal mandates to be brand accurate.>B-b-bbut Sonic is a zoomer babyAnd Sonic acted like an obnoxious manchild ever since Colors. That's who current Sonic is. There was never a time when Sonic was like Archienic. That's the difference. Movie Sonic is literally on brand.
>>575413205>I like how the gameplay is the final form of the Adventure styleAccording to Iizuka, Boost is the final form of the Adventure style
>>575413205>I like how the gameplay is the final form of the Adventure style. as a concept, it's like a perfect fusion of SA1, SA2 and Heroes/Shadow05.Aside from the lack of polish, I agree. I was also surprised by how fun i can get, particularly with Sonic. Overall I still prefer the two Adventure games though
>>575413294>"Eggman wants to only capture Sonic to watch him suffer in his dungeon, not kill him."I slapped him back with sa2, sonic unleashed, and sonic forces. a "purist" who doesn't consume his media tried to correct someone else. can you believe that?
>>575413205>I also have the same issue as Hero Story from SA2, it's too fast paced.>It's just Sonic and the gang jumping from one set piece to another because they're chasing Eggman and nothing more than that.That's the SA1 problem.I feel like people that give SA1 a pass on this only do because of unskippable cutscenes and force dminigames and fucking around in the hubworlds.But storywise, this is thr SA1 problem where Sonic is forced to work based on everyone else's story rather than his own.The games that mitigate this the most focus on Sonic and people around him in a continous narrative while giving him a flat arcs rather than him being purely static.
>>575413418>forcing DBZ rules onto SonicWhat are the rules of Sonic 06 time travel exactly?
>>575413747The cutscenes are only unskippable in the Dreamcast version.
>>575413436>Thats because Archie is insanely OOC and the movies have literal mandates to be brand accurate.Sure. But Archie after the reboot superficially resembles the games enough that people can get tricked into treating it like canon or equally valid as an interpretation of the games.I remember growing up everyone thought Nazo Unleashed was canon.Ive seen YouTube videos cite SMBZ for shit about Team Dark being friends.>>575413624I mean tbf, in Forces specifically he did capture him because he wanted to show him his perfect victory before launching him into space as a massive show of victory. But yeah, Eggman is not above trying to kill him.
>>575414121>Sure. But Archie after the reboot superficially resembles the gamesnta, reboot archie has some mistakes that fall into the area of "misrepresenting"not talking about character but things like team dark clearly cross a line sega doesn't like
>>575413850>The version everyone insists and swears up and down is the only good versionYes.>>575413842Retrocausal Eternalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-PtBJhiMYcGood night.
>>575414121Archiedow has friends. Iizuka said no friends. That's like Sonic getting married
>>575414410Goodnight
>>575414330Im aware, but the fact it claims to and presented itself as "game accurate" is why we have this mess. After the comic got nuked, the idea that the series was "mandated to be like the games (this is false btw) became the meme around it. Because Ian CHOSE to pretend it was like the games (Abraham Tower for example he had to claim wasnt The Gun Commander from Shadow05 because Sega said they couldn't give him a name or use him being a perfect example) we have people convinced that Reboot was actually in-line with the games as per how Sega actually viewed the series when it wasnt.This takes it above a few steps of being an alt contuinity into legal fanfiction, and fanfiction is basically community endorsed headcanon.People get really attached to headcanons in this fanbase.
>>575414760all true
I remember when I was binge reading archie in the early 2010s when I discovered readcomicsonline>man it feels so different from the games and the characters don't act the same. they act close enough but not exactly the way they shouldbut I still fell in love with it and was sold into its lore autism. I had played S3&K, SA2, heroes, Shth, riders and generations before. so you can't accuse me of "not playing duh gehms" also reboot archie was fine but not as good as og archie. I like the new designs though.
>>575414380>Headcanon time travel rulesSo you're just making shit up?
>>575414887ooc
>>575413054>We live in a very weird era where "purism" is prevalent.This is that newfangled fandom that the younger gens get into for some reason. The one where everything becomes an attempt at a knowledge fight because your entire online identity becomes tied to your presentation of your fandom on social media and you fail as a person if you don't know enough, so you have to engage with absolutely everything in the series to prove you're a true fan (except most of them just take shortcuts and get basic shit wrong like in your later post, like watching Let's Plays instead of actually playing a game). It's unfortunately a new enough concept that it's pretty sadly understudied and not really understood except at a surface level, but seems to be pretty heavily driven by algorithmic rewards (promotion/traffic, likes, follows, etc.) rather than genuine interest in something, which is why it always feels so combative.https://intellectdiscover.com/content/journals/10.1386/jfs_00013_1https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10253866.2016.1189417
Does anyone here ever read/write a fanfiction to try and override the events or things that happened in canon? Better yet, done that with Sonic? I've done it with MHA and Naruto. I think people should loosen up personally on what's canon and what isn't. That's just one value and there are other values that exist and can be prioritized.
>>575414887Good for you. I read two random issues and dropped it due to how weird it was from the games.
>>575415318I don't think there's anything wrong with either approach. Some people don't want to make a strong mark on the series they're writing for and would rather write a new story that fits comfortably within the bounds everyone reading is familiar with. And some people want to break those boundaries and come up with some crazy, off-the-wall shit. And both are fine.
>>575411869Mephiles is a manipulator who says half-thruths.The people of Soleanna also thought Shadow was to blame for Iblis.The game establishes that time in the game uses Block Universe concept of time.
I love sonic games. Except not THOSE sonic games. Those sonic games are too different and shouldn't be considered Sonic
>>575414905>making shit upThe game establishes it.Even in the Solaris fight, they state that they need all 3 Superhogs because they need to defeat him in all timelines at ones.The game treats the past, the present and the future as these "timelines" and treat them as places that already exist.
>>575415348I liked how rebellious they were and how they always tried to do something different from the games even if it was weird and retarded sometimes. I think that contributed to the charm to me. Also I like how large the universe was. It had a plenty of heroes and villains all fighting for all sorts of reasons and the rest often get entangled creating a more interesting conflict. I love the games but I simply couldn't get enough out of them. because they wasn't much games and the games I had were too short.
Shade
>>575415696>The game treats the past, the present and the future as these "timelines" and treat them as places that already exist.So does the time lines in Dragon Ball. What's the difference? Also Solaris exists in all those timelines. That's why he has to be defeated in all of them, not due to your time travel headcanon.
>>575415553You see it happen when the Egg Carrier crashes. Mephiles wasn't lying there.
>>575415172>This is that newfangled fandom that the younger gens get into for some reason. The one where everything becomes an attempt at a knowledge fight because your entire online identity becomes tied to your presentation of your fandom on social media and you fail as a person if you don't know enough, so you have to engage with absolutely everything in the series to prove you're a true fan (except most of them just take shortcuts and get basic shit wrong like in your later post, like watching Let's Plays instead of actually playing a game).Yeah its true. Everyone needs to present themselves as an expert because people's online identities are tied to "fandoms" rather than just engaging with media itself. People instead jist get into competitions over who knows more. Its part of how we have so many larpers but that doesnt even solve the issue. It jist makes people feel like they have to larp harder. So people instead just absorb more second hand opinions to "cover all their bases". This isnt even a completely new thing. Its been an internet thing for years but really prevalent now because of how centealizing people's online "lives" are now.https://youtu.be/9y0qDXM38_U?si=SAfs47mxl0dk6evd
>>575415318>Does anyone here ever read/write a fanfiction to try and override the events or things that happened in canon?I don't but I have seen people that say they do and I dont understand it.Seems weird and stupid to me.
>>575416121It's become a lot worse with short-form algorithmic content, particularly with the advent of TikTok. Or at least most documented instances of it have. You're right that it's been around for a while, but it's on a definite rise in social media spaces.
>>575415318Some canon elements are so stupid, silly or bad that they deserve to be either removed or rewritten
i don't mind archieshit but it can get annoying when archiefags get mad at things from the games. I don't blame them for it but it's annoying. I get why they don't like IC Shadow but they are annoying about it. Especially Sonic and Shadow. They aren't as bad as Satamfags though.IDW fags are the same about Silver. Basically demanding that everyone has to stick with that version of Silver. Annoying.
>>575414887Good gor you dude. But people are gonna smell the blood in the water whenever you misremember somrthing from Arcgir as something from the games. Which is very easy for people to do because memory is not foolproof. In fact its very flawed. We technically dont store info in our brain. We instead recreate the information based on patterns we form in our brain.So its easy for shit to get recapped wrong.A lot of hostility would be avoided in conversations if people weren't so bullish about things and formed their ego around thinking they know better based on vague memories from when they were 12.
>>575413343I-I finally found it.It's raw, I guess it's up to me.
>>575416002>So does the time lines in Dragon Ball.No it doesn't. DragonBall treats different timelines as different timelines."The future" isnt a place. Trunks timeline is trunks timeline. He just happens to be in the future in his timeline relatove to Goku's. These arent the same.DBZ uses multiverse. Sonic 06 doesn't.
Who should i draw like this next?
>>575416103Show it then.
>>575416791Scourge
>>575416286Yeah, just the next step of the databasification. We are heading towards total media entropy.Kojima literally predicted this.https://youtu.be/C31XYgr8gp0But maybe even he didnt predict it would extend to even the way people even understand and engage with media.Database elements are themsleves being broken down into database elements of database elements.All that remains are memes.So now its become a fight between narratives and information to survive like viruses and we are the medium through which these memes try to survive.
>>575416791Sonia or Gold
>>575415957How large the world was supplemented the stories they wanted to tell when better writers joined the team. On top of that, archie comics themselves had two stories per issue, so one of them didn't have to revolve around Sonic himself. And then we got dedicated sidequests in Sonic Universe while they were still giving 2 plots per main issue. Regardless of quality, there was a lot to take in, and it made it very easy to get hooked.
>>575416791Mina Mongoose
>>575416714And yet, ESP Silver still exist why?
>>575407435This post is a reminder to me that the majority of "archiefags" are really just Flynnfags who started reading the 2005-2009 issues and don't have any regard for the previous issues. or characterization
>>575416791Vectorman
>>575415608More Sonic than YOU'LL ever be.
>>575417364ESP Silver isnt a thing. Its a fandom meme
Sonamy is OOC for most of the reasons Sonally is. Sonic isn't settling down for any of your stupid waifus. Stop seething at each other.
>>575417080This part of MGS2 has always just been that meme with the Pluto/Gift of Prophecy thing and the ball. Kojima wrote a story that he thought was interesting based on trends and some level of prediction of a worst-case scenario and it's so prophetic that people still point to it and go "How did he get it so fucking right?" It's funny because he even spoke about it within the last year.>"It wasn't about AI, but interweaving digital data gaining a will of its own. That was the story. So, well…. 24 years have passed. It has become somewhat of a reality. I didn't predict it, but rather a future I didn't desire, but unfortunately we're heading there."https://www.pcgamer.com/games/hideo-kojima-says-mgs2-was-never-about-ai-but-rather-a-future-i-didnt-desire-of-data-gaining-a-will-of-its-own-and-unfortunately-were-heading-there/
>>575417787You can't ignore him. He is a Sonic Team creation.
>>575417853Not him but it could very well be a retcon. The original game can still be analyzed on its own merit.
>>575417824Thats how resonant writing works. When you write what's true, it aligns with reality.>>575417853This isn't a swperate character. Its an alt on a game with many alts.People like SemiFrequent Sonic Facts on twitter just created this fanfic meme about it to seem knowledgeable about Sonic in the internet. Its like how people think Amy's bracelets are weights when they aren't.
>>575417982There is no retcon! The existenxe of this alt in a fuckong mobile game doesnt imply there is a secret second silver floating around in some alternate timeline.You people will say this shit and claim 06 Sonic seeing himself rescue Elise without realising it isnt in the game and is "headcanon".
Decided to look into how many dead characters there are and there is a lot more than i thought
>>575417982>>575418272>retconNope. If we are to apply a specific logic to Sonic06 i.e. that there are only two timelines then it has some merit. You have the original timeline and the Bad Future timeline created by Eggman via his machine. All other instances of time travel were by Mepheles (literal time god) or the Chaos Emeralds (literal cure all mcguffin).It wouldn't be the first time Eggman dun fucked up with one of his machines.
>>575416569>A lot of hostility would be avoided in conversations if people weren't so bullish about things and formed their ego around thinking they know better based on vague memories from when they were 12.This applies gamefags with localizations too btw.
>>575418449>Ascended>It's all Echidnas
>>575418915It is what it it
>>575416569>But peopleThis "people" you talk are raging shiptards exclusive to /sthg/. The world outside has evolved, majorly don't give a shit. Twitter, Tumblr, everywhere else is finding appreciation for Archie as we speak.The thing you all have to realize is /sthg/ is really a bubble itself. Nothing out there is anything like us.
>>575402008rush isn't about this.
>>575416569Why do you have so many FUCKING typos
>>575408996... who the fuck likes Penders.
>>575418456>Roblox Nibroc and co regularly use it to try and validate fandom memes.Like making Amy have a ninja alt to validate his headcanon of Espio teaching her to go Invisible in 06
>>575416569>Which is very easy for people to doMistaking something from Archie as something from the games is embarrassingly stupid. You would have to be retarded unironically
>>575418874Oh absolutely>>575419034>raging shiptards exclusive to /sthg/. The world outside has evolved, majorly don't give a shit. Twitter, Tumblr, everywhere else is finding appreciation for Archie as we speak.Yes in your little walled gardens On wider forums, Archie is more attacked than it was in the past if anything.You're delulu
>>575419129My phone saves typos and doesnt have an updated dictionary so it autocorrects words it doesnt know exists.Also screen keyboards suck.
>>575419034This isn't true. IDW fans shit on Archie habitually. Even the idw fans who hate purists will treat Archie like a punch line
>>575419351This was just posted two days ago. Look at the qrt here, who's a raging Sonamyfag stemming off us possibly, getting dunked on.>On wider forums, Archie is more attacked than it was in the past if anything.What fucking "forums"? It's 2026 nigger.
>>575419151>Can't argue facts so tries slanderThat's nice. You're wrong.
>>575419493>the Temu 12 with 1 1/2 cameras
>>575419141There's a difference between liking Penders and saying "if he wrote it it doesn't count". That's a whole decade of Archie and most of the groundwork Ian used to write. Penders is responsible for Ian's understanding of Sonic as a character
>>575419550Examples?
>>575419560I think he meant the actual term forum. Reddit and Twitter are both forums. Youtube comments are forums.
>>575419270People thought Nazo Unleashed and SMBZ were canon, dude.Many people misremember GreenHill Zone from their memories of Emefald Hill from Sonic 2.Is it an idiocy thing? Maybe partially but also just a memory thing. Kids dont have an understanding proper of how media works.Adults have foggy memories. So many artists for examlle draw the girls with tan bellies even though all official media ha them with no such thing, because early fandom artists online ported it from Sally onto the girls since they didnt have a proper point of reference.Some people still think Amy magically aged herself with a magic ring. Because some nerd would come around and use his nerd knowledge from Archie to speech about the characters to come off like the most knowledgeable person in the room.
>>575419701Okay, then don't ever disregard any games or IDW comics ever written by Ian either and we're good since they are just AS substantial to characterization. We good and none of double standards now?
>>575419560>sonamyfag out of nowhereAlso, doing a bad job of proving everyone here is the raging shiptard rather than yourself.>What fucking "forums"? It's 2026 nigger.The term "wider forum" isnt talking about internet forums. The term forum predates the internet.
>>575419708This guy is notorious for defending everything from idw and western Sonic but immediately switches gears when it's Archienic or Archiedow. He will also shit on SatamHe isn't a fringe example either. IDW fans will deflect to Archie often when character debates start. Often blaming Archie for the mandates
>>575419615>slanderIts literally the truth.You're literally proving the MGS2 diologue right.Its literally just an alt like every other alt.Its not a "thing" unless you believe Vampire Shadow is an alt universe variant of Shadow that exists in Vampire version of the sonic universe or something.
>>575419893>Okay, then don't ever disregard any games or IDW comics ever written by Ian either and we're good since they are just AS substantial to characterization. We good and none of double standards nowYou're arguing with a monolithic imaginary person instead of me. I don't like IDW, but Sega says it's canon. I don't get to decide who their characters are. They do. I hate 06, but I can't argue that 06 is ooc. It's literally written by the same people as the games I do like. The characters are doing things they would do.
>>575420014>>sonamyfag out of nowhere
So we really don't like Sonic and rather just stalk random xitter niggers. Cool hobby.
>>575419893Not the best talking point. Ken Penders wrote waaaaaay too many Archie chapters to ignore. You would basically have to imagine the Archie continuity starts in 2007 and ends in 2009 to completely scrub his influence on the comic. Especially because everything after that point is just juggling the damage he caused with the lawsuit
This is the problem with people that wanna say "everything is canon and equally valid". Its just people being fragile and not wanting to actually engage in stimulating conversation.You will inevitably run into conversations where people discuss the minutia of writing and character portrayals because it is necesary and impossible to avoid when discussing long-form media.People who pretend Sonic is unique in this regard are weird and are telling on themselves that they mostly stay in their walled gardens online.Even for something as simple as talking about the writing of the comics, you cant discuss the writing without talking about the writer and how they differ from other writers.Its not possible.People only pretend to be everything is equal and the same and valid to squash discussion because it hurts their feefees.
>>575420468Bestie...
>>575419893Yes everything Penders wrote in Archie is canon to Archie because it's in Archie just like how Lost World is still very much canon to the games. because it is a Sonic video game that later Sonic games all acknowledge repeatedly
>>575419151>Like making Amy have a ninja alt to validate his headcanon of Espio teaching her to go Invisible in 06For what it's worth, she has the ninja alt in Rumble, too. Though Rumble just sort of lifts from everything else, including Dream Team.
>>575420227>had to go on their page and search for sonamy anywhere>find a single post from last year.>it isnt even them sonamyfagging, just them talking about how others hate Sonamy.Really not helping yout case dude.
>>575420382define "liking sonic" and watch this place fight over your definition
>>575419560>IDW Sonic wouldn't even exist today if it wasn't for Archie Sonic paving the ground of Sonic comics for 24 yearsArchie is the original sin, and we're still suffering for it.
>This threadOkay "Penders wrote that so it's not canon" is definitely just some shipfag talking. Penders is dogshit but come on. It's not like Ian's era ignores any of it for even a single issue
>>575420585>glossing over the bio and header picJonathon Liang, you're just blind like bestie...
>>575414121Anyone who thinks Nazo or Archie were canon deserves all the backlash from autists they get. Whether you like Archie or not it is different from the games in obvious ways. Just look at all the changes the reboot had to make to the character personalities alone.
>>575420727It doesn't matter anyway when Sally was initially and is still the endgame for Sonic on pre-boot, Light Mobius and whatnot. Geoffrey was the one getting cucked on the aftermath.Geoffrey feels like a sexual harassing pervert.
>>575419560>That era of Sonic should never have happened and flies in the face of the character's original visionIt's comical how often this is said by nearly every other faction of the fandom
>>575416569>Good gor you dude. But people are gonna smell the blood in the water whenever you misremember somrthing from Arcgir as something from the games. Which is very easy for people to do because memory is not foolproof. In fact its very flawed. We technically dont store info in our brain. We instead recreate the information based on patterns we form in our brain.>So its easy for shit to get recapped wrong.I think this is all valid. But the best way to avoid this is just... not arguing about it?Like say you're an Archie fan who grew up for years on preboot and never really questioned how different it was from the games. Why would you join an argument about how Sonic would act in a certain situation? That would be like trying to argue about what Batman would do except I only know Snyderverse Batman. The hardcore autists who actually enjoy arguing about that shit will jump me like a pack of hyenas and I would have elected to be part of that conversation.
There are tons of people in fandoms now who care more about new releases so they can get "new food" more than enjoy the actual media.Powerscalers and shippers care less about the actual new show or game and care more about mining them for more ammo for memefeats and ship evidence.The actual story or game or whatever doesn't actually matter to them. They dont read IDW. They clipfarm it for reaction images and "cute moments" they can share on social media or statements they can take out of context to form on online identity around and engage in profilicity.This and of they are American, they'll tie it into current year political shit as well.And this is true for a lot of people getting into the media creation process as well.Its how you can have people claim 2000s Amy was unsalvageably bad and she "developped" now and "has matured". This never actually happened but they are attached the the narrative around it that exists online but not in the actual media.
>>575421205>Powerscalers andOOoooooh so that applies shitverspergs too!
>>575420930How do I disagree with this without sounding like some seething JP purist? I'll try it anyways .Penders sucks. Let's get that out of the way. Regardless too much of his stories were foundational to ignore. He literally created Light Mobius. Additionally he was the only person who thought Light Mobius was the same continuity as the mainline Archie. Ian Flynn actively eliminated that possibility and Bollers always disagreed with it. That means Light Mobius can't be an endgame.Early Archie wasn't a story arc, it was random adventures. There was no endgame.Mid 90s Archie intended to kill Sally off. She definitely was not endgame there.For the entire mid 2000s Sonic and Sally are broken up with the explicit intention of keeping them separate by Bollers and Penders Late Archie had Sega of Japan breathing down their necks, preventing it from even being considered. "Sonic is the wind" and all that stuff. I would say she was the definitive love interest originally, but there was no story path that actually ends in them getting married and staying that way. Penders would have undermined it with his weird obsessions or Sega would have undermined it with brand rules. Archie would have to end BEFORE issue 50 for it to be fully in the cards.
>>575420925The problem is in the nuMedia age of databasification, people dont care about narratives or stories. So for them, whether or not that version of Shadow makes sense and is in-charactee doesnt matter because they dont care about actual stories or arcs. They treat thos shit the same way they do tiktoks and cat videos.So to them in a vacuum the idea of Nicedow with friends is superficially appealing at face value and serves better for profilicity purposes, and makes him a better "database element", thats all that matters. Shadow's actual story, what it represents and means matters less than it resulting in him ending up in an end state that is to their particular liking divorced from context.Shadow's story and character don't matter.They're idea of what his story was is retrocausal like Mephiles in p6. It exists to facilitate the end state thry want him to be in, which is why they choose to insist he is just a redemption story where a villain becomes le good.Same with people that claim Amy's story in SA1 was about her getting over Sonic when it was the opposite.Same with people who go on about how Sonic is a "leftist series" because of that one english bio line about him being against opression. They start from the conclusion they want and work their way backwards.2000s Amy discourse is the same way. People unironically hate on her 2000s writing more now than before. A lot of people were mistaken about her character but still were either fine with it or liked her anyway.But the idea that 2000s Amy learned she was a horrible person and "#Did Better" is what they re attached to. The idea of her being better now rather than the substance of the character. Because now she makes a better database element.
>>575420930Actually Sallicole was decided on before the reboot. Sonic Team said to put a stop to Sonic recirpcoating romance sometime around issue 250 (I don't know the specific). www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mw77WbLmj8&t=471sSonally had been permanently killed during the preboot. That is the reason Sonic and Amy are a lot more touchy feely in those last few issues. Especially when Amy asks what they will do if Sally can't be fixed and Sonic says to move on.
>>575421205>Its how you can have people claim 2000s Amy was unsalvageably bad and she "developped" now and "has matured". This never actually happened but they are attached the the narrative around it that exists online but not in the actual media.It's a lot easier to pick these people out because if you tell them it's not interesting and you miss the old Amy, they'll go "Yeah but look she's still like that" and post some random page or panel and then you get to say "Okay but I thought she matured or whatever, why is she still acting like that" and they never have an answer because their understanding of the material is like puddle-deep.
>>575421075You are 200% correct. The problem is that Archiebro in thos scenario doesnt know better. He wasnts to engage in conversation but is ignorant to the fact his understanding of the character comes from a different interpretation and might easily get salty if he feels the one he is attached to is "seen as less legitimate and lesser" because it feels like a "wasted investment".For fans of alt media like Underground, X and AoStH its easier to not care because they had brief stints and ended. But Archie ran for a long time by comparison.Game fags are the same. If the series hard rebooted at any point, most of us probs woulda left already lol.A lot of people already did when the 2010s happened.
>>575420930>Geoffrey feels like a sexual harassing pervert.be honest do you really think Penders was writing that with the intent that he was being rapey? Sally doesnt react negatively t o being kissed by Geoffry, she clearly enjoys it. We can't just headcanon that she was being assaulted. Penders is not a sublte writer.
>>575420127>Its literally the truthIt's not. You just can't over how badly you lost. Also>MGS2 diologueStill means you are wrong.
ARRRRGHH!HELP ME /sthg/!!I-I'M CONSOOOOOOOOMING~
>>575422407Make sure you log into your account often, because Sony will delete that shit.
Penders annoys me. Shadow and Sally shouldn't be a lovey dovey pairing. You have two characters who suffer all the time and the best you can come up with is a happy nuclear family? Boring prick.
>>575422639Penders created Sally so he can do whatever he wants with her cope
>>575422774>t. kenny
>>575422252>be honest do you really think Penders was writing that with the intent that he was being rapey?Penders loved detailing Sally is of a younger age and Geoffrey a older age once on Twitter. Yes, literally.
>>575422639I'll do you one better. Shadally is better if it sounds like a random crackship. Penders backing it makes it a Penders ship and that sucks Like Penders Whispangle or something
>>575422407>Crash of the TitansMan, I wish we were still an era where the worst thing a Crash game could do is be a boring beat'em up.
>>575423317Modern Tawna is even sexier than the original and I'm tired of pretending she isn't
Hyoumaru do you like Knuckles
>>575423404Only if you're a homosexual.
>>575423574OG tawna literally has a more masculine body
>>575421328Yes>>575422113>It's a lot easier to pick these people out because if you tell them it's not interesting and you miss the old Amy, they'll go "Yeah but look she's still like that" and post some random page or panel and then you get to say "Okay but I thought she matured or whatever, why is she still acting like that" and they never have an answer because their understanding of the material is like puddle-deep.Exactly. Its not actually about the media. It never was. 2000s Amy was in fact not the irredeemable character they insist. But she has a "bad smell" due to memes. IDW has this notion of being a "fixed version" of the character. So you can have her act literally the same as 2000s Amy and people will praise it because its "safe" to do so.Same with Shadow. Gamedow is a "1 note edgelord". He has a "bad smell" . So we need to throw that version under the bus. Doesn't matter that we literally had Game Shadow in thrblast game and everyone praised him in that game. Nah. The fact his likes section in his bio lists "Nothing" and he Dislikes humanity makes him trash. Why? Because it makes him a worse database element.These aspects of him actually make for great storytelling and even gags and stuff. But they arent useful for playing barbie dollhouse or building your online identity profile around. So its bad.Media is dead.
>>575423738Homosexual opinion.
>>575422325>lostDude its not a fight. Its an online conversation about media.
People who like Archienic and Archiedow deserve to deal with an army of Sparkys and Kracks
>>575422639Literally its what everyone else would have done and the fact Penders did it is the only reason any of you are pretending its inherently bad. People do the same shit with Shadouge and that pairing has overlap with Shadally since Sally and Rouge are archtypically similar.The idea of "the two angsty characters found eachofher and healed from it and became normal functioning individuals because of it" is literally what TeamDarkfags try to spin Team Dark as.But "Penders bad" I guess.
>>575423404OG Tawna was ass, i agree. But NuTawna isnt really good either. Her Insane Trilogy redesign is better and actually likable.
>>575424368The way Penders portrayed them is too over the top and in love. Shadow would never go "Yes my sweet". He basically turned them into two different characters instead of leaning into what makes them interesting
>>575212223Here's the full whiteboard. Thank you to everyone who showed up!Full-res image is in the booru:https://sthg.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=19687PSD archive (includes uncensored boards):https://mega.nz/folder/DKBSlDYb#GdR4FN7QFEOFtS_30ZT4_A
>>575424609HOLY SHIT MAWILE MARINE KILLED AMY
>>575424489Yes and TeamDarkfags and a lot of the fandom do that with the characters anyway. Sallyfags do that with Sonally.Shadougefags do it woth Shadouge.Many Sonamyfags do it with Sonamy. What Penders did isnt weird for the standards of Archie specifically.
>"I used to have a girlfriend, a kart racer, and a franchise that wasn't dead..."Man, I hope the pajeet in charge of xbox sells the Crash IP. It sure as shit ain't gonna get better under Fagtivision or Microslop.
>>575424609Thanks for doodles!>>575424693Getting tired of your SadCrashmeme posts. Nobody cares. Crash is a slop IP.
>>575424368Every shipper ever should start their character from 100% in character and then work their way to the characterization that works for the ship. I don't care if Sonic and Shadow's personalities make it nearly unworkable. It's the only honest way.
>>575424609>Alota’s shitty boring cat>Roadslop>more twitter artists who never post here>More espioslop>discord jokes2/10
>>575424892>Sonic>having a working pp>if he did he'd be railing Amy>Shadow>not obsessed with Muhria>ever bothering with romance at all>dude can't even hug
>>575424609sex with sage
>>575424996It's just hardmode
>>575424609These whiteboards are getting shittier
>>575425102It's impossible mode. Unless they were raped.
>>575424609Reminder none of these people create content for the general
>>575424609Why hasn't Roads killed himself yet?
>>575425141If getting raped is the only in-character way for Sonic and Shadow to have sex with anyone, then they need to get raped.
>>575424609>last week was one of the emptiest whiteboards>this week was one of the most activequite beautiful reallyalso lol what the fuck is that marine
>>575424609Too many stupid inside jokes nobody here understands, unfinished drawings, OCs, and untalented faggots.
>>575424609Alota be like, Blaze walking doing nothing interesting is the best I can do
Literally this is why people complain about the meme mandates. Because they need a narrrative to validate their conspiracy around the characters not being whatever collection of database elements they want at the time.So now SEGA is the devil for hating their character to be consistent. They'll spin it as them.being inconsistent because they cant comprehend the concept of narratives.
>>575425329Hotshelter drew Espio again for the 300th time in a row, wow
>>575424994>more twitter artists who never post here>>575425219>none of these people create content for the generalyea because this place is a shitholedrawing on the whiteboard counts as content
>>575425237But Sonic's pp doesn't work, and Rouge and Amy aren't interested in Shadow romantically.
>>575425542Not when the content has nothing to do with us
>>575424892Yes, if the idea of shipping is supposed to be to explore the character, then this must be done. But the reality is most shippers dont do this. Its just Y/N bullshit, coom and teamsports. In any other field, we rightfully call this shit out as shallow self indulgent slop. But you arent allowed to do that now because "everything is valid".Idgaf about needing ships to be canon. Write shit that uses the actual characters. I can even accept some concessions for the sake of facilitating the notion of the ship, but you still gonna make it plausible and keep thr character as in-character as possible or its garbage.
>>575424996There is no character that Sonic and Shadow would intentionally fuck so to get around that you have to take any other character and develop them into a rapist becuase Tangle raping Shadow is easier to justify than Shadow having consentual sex with Shadow. You just need to come up with a scenario where Tangle thinks it's okay to ride Shadow's dick while Shadow's ability to consent is compromised. Maybe tie him up in a machine that will only let him go if he cums
>>575425102See, you get it.
>>575425641well then what are some things that are /sthg/ aprroved
>>575425716>Tangle raping Shadow is easier to justify than Shadow having consentual sex with Shadow.What?
>>575425806
>>575424609Where are the good drawfags, this is bad
writing a 800 chapter long saga to justify scourge x whisper
writing no pages to justify me x whisper (it is in-character)
>>575425854Hating Jews, blue hedgehogs, black and red hedgehogs, Amy liking Sonic, and Sonic being the wind.
Writing no pages to justify Silver x Whisper (I just have to tie Ian and Evan up somewhere)
>>575426002Shippers claim character exploration is the main thing that gets them invested in shipping. So if its what takes, its what it takes.But they won't because most of them are full of shit.That one girl on YouTube is right. Where are all the Whispangle fics?
drawing a 50 volume manga justifying me x my favorite character
>>575426140>That one girl on YouTube is right. Where are all the Whispangle fics?Explain
>>575426140>Where are all the Whispangle fics?That's the trouble with the red string, people lose interest
>10 chapters for Shadow and Crash>9000 chapters for Shadow and Sally Crash won
>>575426182There are like 2 Whispanglefics in existence despite everyone shilling the ship.Most whispangle stuff is really just them showing up as a random mention as a couple in a Sonadowfic to virtue signal.In fact, most shipfics that aren't Sonadow are just sonadow in disguise.
>>575426294>Duofag Shadally has Sally turn into a giant amazon and rape Shadow until he's nothing but a sex slave>Scribble Shadally has Shadow get jinxed like in Obsession and Sally fucks his possessed body Shadally rapeship?
>>575426140sex with that girl (i do not know who ur talking about)
>>575426267That's not it at all. The reality os the ship isnt interesting and never was outside of being lesbian representation in an official sonic comic.That's all anyone cares about.So it only shows up as an offhanded inclusion or mention in content centered on some other pairing rather than getting focus.Its not even JUST that thr pair has little to no substance. This is a problem with Yuri ships on general. No one writes actual fics or stories about them. .
If your ship is completely OOC then you are writing a slowburn fic. Simple as.
>>575426898Scourge Tangle Chapter 1: the Lesbian and the RapistThis is going to be hard
>>575427037only if by "this" you mean "the reader's dick"
>>575426484shadally is not real. it's an excuse to draw porn. and /sthg/ has porn addiction
>>575427326Anon that's the point. You need to be able to come up with an in character way for your ship to work and if it can't happen then it has to use rape. Now get started on your Chris Thorndyke x Bunnie Rabbot fix that is entirely in character now
>>575427326It exists as long as there is rape
>>575427534Chris Thorndyke fucks Bunnie because he's the main character, and because he's special, and because he's good at martial arts, and because his parents don't pay attention to him except they do. Did I mention he's rich?
>>575427534Chris is for me
>>575427716Isn't Satam Bunnie a martial artist? Pair him with that version for a head start
>>575427749Sonic...
I'm an evil nazi and i like sonic the hedgehog.
>>575427816Chris Thorndyke inserting himself in the place of another character is in character. He cucked Amy. Cucking Antoine is next on the list. Then he'll cuck Sonic by beating the big bads by going fast.
What is wrong with you people do you have to say something fucked up every day
>>575427716Wait you're using SEASON 3 CHRIS >>575427749
>>575427885>evil>NaziGood one anon.
>>575427326There is no in character way for Shadow to fuck Sally so Sally has to have character development that makes her a rapist for the pairing to work. There, it is fixed now.
>>575427908Exactly,Chris's character is stealing everyone else's main thing. Usually Tails or Amy.
>>575420495Fuccccckkkkk....
Knuckles and MinaTom and TopazEggman and IlluminaAriem and MephilesJet and JewelTom and FionaSilver and Lien DaIf you can't make these work you're a weakling
>>575428341>Tom and TopazIf they are single at the start of the story this one isn't even difficult
Ian and Evan
>>575428442Stop
>>575428459Sorry I'll, stay in character. Ian and Kyle.
>>575428341>Knuckles and MinaMina tries to entertain Knuckles by singing to him. He thinks it's annoying at first but she is cute and doesn't try to steal the Master Emerald. >Tom and TopazThey are literally both cops bro come on just put them on a buddy cop adventure>Eggman and IlluminaWHO THE FUCK IS ILLUMINA>Ariem and MephilesMephiles gets trapped in the dream dimension until he turns into a good guy and Ariem talk no jutsu him into accepting this is his life forever now>Jet and JewelDouble tsundere>Tom and FionaBatman and Catwoman>Silver and Lien DaSilver is a male hedgehog meaning he's probably not going to fuck anyone unless he is raped. Lien Da might rape
>>575427996I know, i'm a good comedian.
>>575428341>Jet and JewelIt is a consistent thing that Jet bullies Jewel in IDW and Wave has to break it up because he's hurting Jewel's feelings. All you have to do is make Wave scold him more and have Jewel somehow be useful to him
Why does Wave even CARE about Jewel's feelings? SHE TRIED TO KILL SONIC. fuck me I hate IDw
>>575429096Sonic. not jewel
>>575429096>fuck me*reaches for waistband* i also hate idw~
IDW is canon. That simply means Wave does care about peoples feelings, just not Sonic
>>575429739pathetic
>>575424693he's gonna be in fortnite next month bro don't worry crash is back
nobody cares about tawna. crash 4's gameplay felt like a chore and was not always fun
Tawna x Taichi
>>575429904Given his last appearance was in an airline commercial, that'd be a step up. Crash is a d-list character now. Just like Bubsy.
magma sucks, so i might actually take a request and draw here.ask for something simple since its my first time and i am not great.
>>575431073marine has a gun
>>575431073Scourge raping Tangle and Tangle crying and saying she wanted her first time to be Whisper
I don't like when Amy and Sonic interact like this. It doesn't feel like Sonic thinks Amy is awesome, it feels like he is hyping her up to make her feel strong. Like he's talking to a baby. I get the same feeling whenever he's talking to Whisper.
>>575432297>Like he's talking to a babyyes. that's their dynamic
>>575432465That dynamic sucks
>>575424994>too good to call it shit, so he calls me a twitter artistt-thanks...?
sonic has sex with babies
>>575433035This bitch fucker the whole kingdom
>>575433168Why would you ever say this
>>575424368Team Dark fags are obsessed with Shadow acting cuddly and soft so yes
>>575433779team dark fags are mostly rougefags
>>575431073swimsuit maria plz
Sally is a whore
>>575432615Now you understand Sonamy
>Blaming Ian for Sonamy death when Lost World retconned it so that Amy never said she loved Sonic 13 years ago
whisper should join team dark so they can eat fast food and go to therapy together
>>575434434Whisper and Archiedow is in character
Is this IC?
>>575420930Wasn’t that future razed by RoboRobotnik?
>>575432570They could be so happy together while sonic is out there doing whatever the fuck he wants
Best ships?
>>575435482Theseus
>>575435591If it’s so good why did it need so many repairs for every single part of the ship
>>575436027Because its fans needed to understand that the past elements are no longer relevant and they should let go
Dr. Organik
>>575431073Shadow in a bikini
>>575431073>>575431558>>575433959>>575435064about to finish the marine gun one, not taking anymore reuquests sorry.
>>575424609Oh this looks lovely
>>575424609>Riders shadingThe most based person imaginable
>>575440667well shit i accidentally saved over the lineart but the sketchs stil there.
So where's Bump Frontiers 2?
>>575442454Oh it's that shitty pooner again.
>>575432297This is mostly a Sonic thing in the comic. He is a hype man at times for multiple characters sometimes >Like he's talking to a babyWeird, it just reads like a generic friend compliment
I just realized the real reason they killed off Blaze in 06 was because the Final Story needed 7 characters to get each Emerald and Blaze being there would've increased the number to 8 characters, but the Emeralds in the game don't go up to that number, so she had to be disposed of to make an equal set of characters.
>>575443701Damn, you might just be right.
Cereal mascot franchise.Therapyslop franchise.
>>575432297Yeah I'm nit a fan either. Feels like he is being puppetted by an invisible hand.You can accomplish the same thing in ways that are more interesting and show off the characters better.
>>575443701Yeah, I always thought that was kind of obvious. (Also to have a convenient way to write Blaze out of directly interacting with Sonic to keep the events of Sonic Rush vague, since doing so would either confuse people who didn't play the pseudomainline handheld games or invalidate her 2006 profiles.)
>>575433914*shadougefags.Actual Rougefags want her doing her oen thing again more.
>>575442454IDW's greatest soldier
>>575444530I like Team Dark, but at some point it does feel like a shackle for everyone involved
why isn't Sonic this clingy with Amy? It's like he doesn't like girls that way...
>>575444798You mean like all the other times he's done something like this with her and other girls?
>>575432297I don'tthink calling someone awesome after lifting a huge hammer is treating someone like a baby
>>575445204They mean Sonic sounds like he's being polite since he can do way better than that and more.
>>575445435really? name one single example
>cropped comic panel>low IQ narrativethe perfect duo
>>575445519It's Sonic, dude.
>>575445590you are the reason why I prefer american Sonic and his weaker side
>>575440667Well fuck you then
>>575443701I mean, Omega isnt playable either. If thry wanted, they could have just had Blaze excluded or just excluded Amy for her or something.I think this was a factor rather than THE reason.
>>575442454Kill all IDW niggers but you know what? Would, totally would
>>575444737For Omega its a lifeline since he literally only even was made to give them a power type without bringing Gamma back.Rouge used to have way more function and interaction as a character but now she is mostly just Shadow's Grim to his Sam Fisher.I dont hate their dynamic but TeamDorkfags and their found family bs force them to be together all the time so she cant be anything else.TeamDark makes her Shadow's support nowadays compared to before as well
>>575445249
>>575445728"Weaker side"Thing you made upYou just hate Sonic
>>575444798>Knuckles, a handsome big dicked echidna warrior>amy, annoying dumb bitchIdk man it's such a mystery
>>575446487
>>575446610
>>575431135it sucks since i never drew a gun before and also im not great but there you go.i wont take requests for a long time anymore since i have other things to do and i also am practicing art fundamentals. just wanted to give a quick try.had to do lineart 2 times since the first one got saved over.
Sonic is stronger than Shadow, especially emotionallyIt's so sad how people don't realize that
>>575446839came out very well if you ask me I see why you took a side view, it's much simpler.
>>575446967Sonic is just a regular dude, Shadow went through more and is more than him, MC power means nothing.
>>575447129Have you played Secret Rings, Frontiers and 06?Hell, even Sonic X
>>575447239>Have you ate shit?No, thankfully.
>>575446729
>>575447417
>drawfaggotryMy wacom tablet is whispering my name, has been for weeks now.
>>575443701i think they simply wanted to have a tikal/maria moment for tradition
>>575447129>MC powerThis is you porting autism from other series into Sonic.Sonic doesn't have this. He is legit just cool and special. Sonic sees himself as just a dude, acts like a just a dude, and yet he isnt truly just a dude.He is both special and not and neither at the same time on some kill la kill shit.Its in the lyrics of We Can.Sonic being just a dude but being special is supposed to show everyone can do something special of they follow their heart and chase dreams.
>>575426182>>575426140>>575426404its not just whispangle but if its who i am thinking of she touched the trend of fanfic writers not being into yuri since they are women and mostly are into males in that angle but because of guilt tripping and virtue signalling they feel obligated to include yuri somewhere. she said the same for blazamy in the sonic section. people act like its something amazing but when you look into it, its just ''girls being cute'' while sonadow, sonamy, and silvaze etc. get actual analysis and discussion about their dynamic in fanfics and other stuff.she called it ''pity yuri''
I'm so tired of lesbian shit, to the point i want to see a genuine faggot guy. And i hate fags but i want to see something different.
>>575447552>clipstudio paint>photoshop>intuos>asusI don't care, I use and iPad
>What do you think of the Sonic games>i think all Sonic games are 'medium games'>What does that mean?>It means they're not rare and they're not well-doneDOHOHOHOHOHO
>>575447107thanks, i could've tried the perspective view but i needed it to be quick since ill be going somehwere today.
>I just read a positive comment bout Sonic outside /sthg/bros? are we healing?
>>575449140Go traditional and draw tits.https://files.catbox.moe/v32xnu.jpg
>>575449454What was the comment
>>575449965He won't share it here because he'll get like 11 replies telling him why it's bullshit
>>575450062Just tell us what it says?
>>575449175kek
shadow is a little sexist like when it's boys like Chris and Yuuta he is really rudeBut when it comes to girls he is more emphatic towards themI think it really add to his immaturity
>>575448651Yup, that was thr video
>>575450503Tailsfag...
Someone said tails.*SQUISH*
>>575449454True I was having dinner with friends and family and one of them talked about how they loved Shadow Gen
>>575449965>>575450062>>>/vp/59442159>>575450062faggot
>>575451798oh wait wrong post>>>/vp/59442153
>>575424368>>575424892>>575425689>>575425438Hours late reply but please go away Krack.
>>575452591Not your boogeyman.
>>575452848Who else but Krack to groom her simps into harassing others over *fan*art? Tell me please.
I shouldn't have scrolled up. Goddamn, another shipniggery fest, another round of same few buttblasted sonamyfags and others.Honestly if I was a mod, I would ban all of this and get pretty fucking rough on what's allowed over it. Hard to sympathize with you faggots.
>>575452953How am I doing any such thing?
>>575453672sonamy didnt even come up
>>575454456You're literally telling people how to ship "correctly". You're just as insane.
>>575453845I prefer Male Fang
>>57545463895% of times it's about shitting on Archie, they are there always there to subtly include how much Amy was cucked and rage over Sally in specific. We had melties before over it.
>>575454821imagine teasing his tooth
>>575440667You replied to the wrong person on the last one lol
>>575454676Its really not that deep. You just feel called out by posts that weren't directed at you. Legit people just having opinions you dony like
>>575444436Blaze did come into contact with Sonic, she just didn’t say anything (since Elise died iirc)
>>575455141>that weren't directed at youJust like fanart not meant for you. :)
>>575454853This literally didnt come up. You're just projecting your own shipwar autism, buddy.
>>575455274>This literally didnt come upNo need, actually. Not all Sonamyfags but always one.
>>575455172People will argue this would be better if Shadow was happy and smiling and playing along instead.This was funny and cute.
>>575455271Who said anything about fanart? >>575455417Sonamy Derangement syndrome lol.
>>575455562>Who said anything about fanart?It's literally what gets Krack and her simps most butthurt over.
MIIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>575455680Who said anything about Krack except you?No seriously, you're obsessed and need to touch grass.This isn't healthy.
>>575455562No arguments!
Fuck off krack
>>575455860Not entertaining you anymore with you being deliberately disingenuous, but all the things you're saying so far affect you just as much.
>>575451921Well he's not wrong.The movies have been good and generally have gotten better each time.The games are dependant on how you found the direction of Frontiers but even ShadGens was the best possible use of the Boost formula.
>>575455717fuck off faggot
Cope
i hate hellokitty for boys
>>575456021Im literally just stating facts and being transparent.
>>575402008sonazefaggery aside you reminded me of the guy who said people draw sally's belly pattern on everey female character
Sure thing Krack.
>>575424609
>>575455731Cute pink rat
If you see "someone" putting a huge amount of effort into defending Krack and explaining what literally goes through her mind, it's most likely herself.
>>575457379They've been fapping to Mobius Unleashed and never bothered to look up what the characters are actually like
>>575444798>why isn't Sonic this clingy with Amy?What do you mean?
>>575458029The awf approach
>>575458029i kinda wish archie never existed, not that gooners and waifufags would be gone but there would be less of them clogging every corner of discussion. and westslop writers wouldnt join in.
>>575458414Most character misunderstanding comes from Archie and it's annoying. Even movie fans don't ruin discussion like Archiefags
>>575458731Fuck yeah, I love the Nth of July.
>>575458667itd be one thing if it was just archiefags but archiefags also gaslighted others with astroturfing their fan content then people copied these fan tropes over and over again its kind of inbred.
>>575416569If your argument is that Archiefags literally cannot differentiate the characters from the games and their Archie versions then Archie fags should just be driven out
>it's archiefagsbooooo get new material, doofy
>>575458918(me)like, no one gives a shit about sally anymore but the ones who did gaslighted others and now fan content or discussion is inbred regardless. its not even about me expecting fan or normie content/discussion to be IC but they are all OOC in the same consistent way. its kind of artificial.
>>575446839i like this
Sparky should also stop playing easy with Archiefags. They genuinely hate him for correcting them. They don't want to be right, they want Archie. Chrons should delete the archie characters from his game. I mean that to be nice. Putting Archie characters in a canon compliant universe will just make Archiefags mad. I saw one of them beg for him to put the shitty mobian human war in it even though that breaks all logic of the games. They will just complain that there's no sonally or that the world isn't called mobius. Archiefags ruined Sonic hentai by drawing EVERY female character with Sally's stomach anatomy and going out of their way to ignore blobs.
no one care krack
Shoulda coulda woulda. You're mad and powerless.
Archiefags get mad at people for liking the videogame versions of videogame characters
Mad forever
A good roster
>>575461179Man, that Nickelodeon shit is an actual eyesore.
>>575461627Better than comicshit
What if paramount representation gets into mainline games its obvious the nickelodeon spam in crossworlds is because paramount requested some ad space since they make the sonic movies
>>575461179this is basically the entirety of Sonic characters so I don't know what you would ask for more besides crossovers
Archie fiona was OOC
>>575462215i kinda want to see marine get a voice and maybe ariem to see if they put her in team dimensions or not. maybe they can bs a reason for tikal too
>>575462215>No Marine >No Tikal >No Maria>No Gerald>No Dr Picke>No Cosmo >No Merlina>No Shara >No Elise>No Zeena
>>575462215There are people who are legitimately upset that they didn't add Vanilla instead. Lmao>>575462102Never in mainline, just inconsequential stuff like this kart racer.
I love that I can be on vacation just relaxing and you'll still drive yourself crazy accusing everyone in this general of being me.
>>575462589>i am le innocent i swear!yeah nobody believes you
>>575461179>No Tikal, Sticks, Mighty, Ray, Trip, Mephiles, infinite, Or even Gemerl >two IDW characs got in because le lesbian women power needs inclusion
>>575462576Marine and MAYBE Zeena are the only ones you listed that would work. Everything else, lmao no
Krack is Randomfox, Chroniclesfag, Sparky and AWF
>>575462589You're not you, stupidI'm you
Duofag is actually Ian
>>575462985Ian is sick of Sonic. He just wants to go back to shitposting.He's trying to get fired but nothing's working.
>>575454979Imagine Fang mouthing your cock
>>575463261Tails with goggles is pretty good
>>575459904>Archiefags ruined Sonic hentai by drawing EVERY female character with Sally's stomach anatomy and going out of their way to ignore blobs.I agree with every single other statement except that one.
I'm the real sparky.
>>575455151Yep. It can be written off as not the time for pleasantries, but it's also bad writing.Honestly I feel 06's writing may've been mangled more than Forces'.
>>575455558Crazy that Jaleel White talked to himself for 40 episodes straight.
>>575458992They either cant or dont want to. Archiefags want the games to be archie. Full stop
>>575464048Really? The schizos here do that all the time.
I am a shadow... The true self...
>seething about 20 years old media award
>>575462707Which of the posts you figure are mine bug you the most? I'll replicate them when I get home
>>575464314>they aren't actually true and just an exaggerationg typical japanese media
>>575463904Furshitter...
Mina the yellow bear.
>>575464008idk if it was mangled specifically but there was a voice file for blaze calling sonic out and its meant for white acropolis, she also calls out amy but it doesnt say where it was meant for.
>>575464617Idiot. Persona is based on Jungian Psychology. The Shadow claims to be the true self is part of what Jung called a Shadow takeover.Its supposed to represent the shock from acknowledging aspects of yourself or how you are perceived as real and how hard that is because it goes against the self concept of the ego.This is just the newspaper thing from yesterday all over again.
>>575464617ignore what >>575464829 said
https://youtu.be/-z2xGrVFVcQ?si=DpVfuoMeNlkedROn
>>575464972this is how people who say Sonic is the wind sound
>>575462219The black leather punk aesthetic + random girly yellow hairbow is a great design visually, however.
>>575464643bewbs
>>575464314Almost the entirety of /sthg/ would be killed by their shadows
Sparky the taxi driver.
>>575464314Hmm... Shadow Kit...
>>575465835>>575465835>>575465835
>>575464971Why you booing me, im right
>>575443701>>575445886i think there's 2 reasons for it, first one is that for the tradition each hedgehog gets a female guide they eventually have to ''part'' from, tikal for sa1, maria for sa2 and blaze for sa3, although technically blaze doesnt die there, it serves a similar thing.second is, i think it mirrors the scene where blaze thinks of sonic while he is fading/glitching in rush. sonic helps out blaze, blaze helps silver through what she learnt from sonic, then silver with that knowledge revives sonic, full circle.
>>575464972>Amy cant swimPoserfox strikes again.
>>575464972>>575466851Lookathergoooo!
>>575466851Give us the raw Jap.
