Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9504 - Monday Edition==NEWS==>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>'Sonic Live in Concert' Announced For US, UK, Starting September 2026https://www.sonicstadium.org/articles/sonic/sonic-live-in-concert-announced-for-us-uk-starting-september-2026-r3441/>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond short animation in Fall 2026https://youtu.be/ZOdpBJdeOhI>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie==Comic Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog #88 - 05 August 2026DC X Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #4 - 05 August 2026Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #2 - 02 September 2026DC X Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #5 - 02 September 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #89 - 09 September 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #90 - 30 September 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #91 - 28 October 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics>Sonic shows:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/>/sthg/ CyTube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>575465835
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>>575523387If you're alluding to stuff like Spamdashing in SA1 I think that's literally a bug
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Why don't Sonic shippers make webcomics anymore?
>>575524018Cuz idwniggers too gay and allergic to Heterosexuality
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Why don't Sonic fans make sprite comics anymore
>>575523859Lovely, thank you
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>>575523663I wasn't alluding to anything, everything on my mind was stated directly>Spamdashing in SA1 I think that's literally a bugHow? That's just the way it works in that game. I don't think they wanted to make it work like Sonic 2006 where you can only do it when standing completely still. Though I don't think it adds much to SA1 either, it just makes movement a bit faster when running in a straight direction
Douge.
>>575524426Well alright then
>>575524130Amy's cards are mentioned in Battle. She also uses them in Sonic Chronicles.They are how she finds Sonic in the former and she uses them to debuff people in the latter.The late 90s and Early 2000s was still when we had Thompson types going around calling shit like Pokémon satanic.So I imagine her cards were just downplayed for other things to not get into shit over it being "too occult".Even Danny Phantom got shit for it.Instead games would play up her girlish intuition or her wishing/dreaming since she is a yume. But her bios still always mentioned it and it played onto the same idea of her believing something hoity today and it turning out to work somehow.I get really annoyed by people that just try to reduce her character to "violent hammer girl"Its telling you had to use random junk like boom and racing spinoffs to try and inflate your list.
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>>575524406https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7t6Su9bKXU
>>575524426>How? That's just the way it works in that game.Its very clearly a consequence of them trying to combine the roll and the spindash into one move while also adding uncurling and that having unforseen consequences. There's no way you think they intended people to use it that way.
>>575524750>Sonic BattleThat's called random trivia you retard. I literally mentioned it in my comment. If you're not going to bother to read mine AND be stupid enough to go out of your way to find a picture for reference when I already brought it up myself, I'm not reading yours, end of discussion.
>>575524906lol cute!
>>575523425>It's funny because CD is a very experimental game and not at all representative of the gameplay and aesthetics of the Genesis trilogyBut it also has monopolize discourse about the "identity" of Classic Sonic. When Classic Stans talk about Classic Sonic's identity, they are thinking of CD and maybe the OVA.Its why they skip out on Superstars but praise Mania. Mania was playing into that "things Classic fangame romhackers make Classic Sonic out to be" mindset with its garish colors and New Jack Swing and House OST.
Fucking pc crashed and I permanently lost all my tabs. Wasn't even in history.
>>575524987It's such a blatantly obvious "exploit" that I genuinely doubt it was a bug. This would imply they didn't know about it. But it is Sonic Team so maybe it was.
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>>575525123meant for >>575524943
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>>575525091Exactly how many tabs of Sonadow were you trying to open???!
I'll have sex with anyone who gets in my way
>>575525397Sally...
>>575524943>and that having unforseen consequencesLook, I found the made up part lolBeing able to Spin Dash is the obvious immediate consequence of it. SA2 does it too btw, people think it doesn't because it doesn't play an animation, buy but it just slightly delays the charging to give you time to release the button early in case you want to Somersault instead (due to Naka's one button autism)
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>>575525594I hate when they write the Sonic logo in japanese
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>>575524987>That's called random trivia you retardNo it isnt unless youre just treating having to acrually read the fucking dialogue in the game as trivia tier and self reporting.Its in the game as part of the narrative and story.By your retarded logic, Tails' love of Machines is "random trivia" outside of SA2.>bitching out instead of engaging.You could just take the L.
I guess Tailsfriend left...In that case, I'll leave too
>>575525257Literally every game afterwards goes out of its way to prevent it from happening again. The idea it was intended is ludicrous wishful thinking frankly.And it really isnt that obvious.I literally only learned about it years after the fact through a YouTube video by a guy trying to dunk on the game called mariotehplumber.Most people arent gonna think to not charge the spindash. Its not intuitive to do something like that.
>>575525397Gaynic..
...one more!>>575526163>Literally every game afterwards goes out of its way to prevent it from happening again.SA2 still works the same way, the delay is there for cuz there's another move tied to the same input. Also I don't think you paid much attention to the gameplay if you needed mariotehplumber to teach you this lol
>>575525394Not gonna lie, I had a shit tone of tabs open, close to 130, but I also had 32 gigs of ram which managed to keep it alive more more than a few years.
I said one more
>>575525543No, I promise you the somersault had nothing to do with it. They intentionally made it require a hold.
Can we go back to talking about how literally zero ships work?
>>575526662What happens if you let it go early?
>>575526426See>>575526662You're coping and making up stories to validate it.
>>575526750Counterargument: Vectilla.
>>575526807What stories did I make up? I just described the way the games work
>>575526915Aw shit, okay. All ships except that one.
>>575526750SHADOW AND SALLY ARE THE PERFECT COUPLE AND THEY HAVE THREE KIDS
>>575526779Sigh...Anon, in Heroes, you can hold the button for the rocket accell eith no delay, but if you tap the button it does the slide kick instead.The delay in SA2 exists as an intentional nerf/response to spamdashing.And we know this because the minimum charge for the SA2 spindash is still way lower than in SA1 for good measure.They did it on purpose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbaZn2jF93c
>>575526997No, you generated a narrative around how the game works to try and protect the integrity of the spamdash.
>>575527282Who said anything about Heroes
>>575525907>Its in the game as part of the narrative and story.A single one-off reference isn't incorporating it into the story.>>By your retarded logic, Tails' love of Machines is "random trivia" outside of SA2.Man you guys act like you were dropped on your heads as children. Tails uses his machines IN THE GAMES and they are driving forces of not only HIS plot but the overarching plots of the GAMES and it is SHOWN and UED not just REFERENCED. Fuck man retarded is too weak a word to describe you dipshits now, this is next level.>e-engage me!How do you know I didn't engage? You didn't even read my comment lol
>>575526750No
>>575527420I did. To illustrate my point.The delay in SA2 exists in addition to the somersault, not because of it. The idea to the contrary is nonsense.
Sonouge can totally work
>>575527450>one-off referenceIts used mechanically in the same way as CD. This is a terrible argument. The game uses it in the story. Its in the game.In other games Amy uses other hoity toity methods to run into Sonic instead.>>575527450>Tails uses his machines IN THE GAMESList em. No flying the Tornado doesn't count.List em.
>>575527567If you hold, you Spin Dash. If you let go early, before the Spin Dash starts, you Somersault. There is no narrative to be told, this is just a description of how SA2's mechanics work.
>>575526163So what? Light speed dash changed from Sonic Unleashed onwards, does that mean it wasn't originally meant to be usable on all trails of rings like in the game before?
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>>575527771The Light Dash was changed from a way it was implemented in games consistently up to that point. Poor argument.The likely thing is that like everything else in Unleashed, it was changed to make the gameplay more consistent.
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>>575528109No fucking way lmaoooo
Ian advising the Godzilla writer>I'm going to tell this guy Amy loves using tarot cards all the time haha he will never see those fanboys coming
>>575528109time machine this page 2 years to the past when /sthg/ was seething about amy's cards
>>575528109Cards BAD! Amy should only angrily mash things with hammer and nothing else. Why? Uh.....because she didnt use her cards explicitly like this when I grew up I guess.Can't think of another reason.
>>575527719>Its used mechanicallyNo it isn't. She literally says>My cards tell me you're here!This is the same energy as>Tangle would LOVE climbing around these ruinsOh wow ohmahgurd he referenced le thing! It's not part of the backbone of the story and it LITERALLY ISN'T EVEN SHOWN OR NAMED ONLY REFERENCED.>List em>B-b-b-bbut not that oneI mean he literally equipped the Tornado with a fucking rocket but sure, ok>Tails Adventure>Tails Sky Patrol>Sonic Battle>Sonic Adventure Tw->WAHH NOT THAT ONEok>Sonic Colors>Sonic Lost WorldEven in Sonic the Fighers this motherfucker has a goddamn SPACE SHUTTLE that would put NASA to shame. He is the reason the players can get up to Eggman's space station to fight him, AGAIN. He uses the Miles Electric in like almost every Modern Sonic game. Sonic Battle half his moves use some gadget, like the Magic Hand or Energy Canon. In Sonic Riders he and Wave are competing as engineers and Tails declares he'll unlock the secrets of the extreme gear. Tails' love of machines is a huge part of what he's ALL ABOUT, and a massive driving force of the plot of the games. Which CLEARLY you do not play.Play.The.Games.
>>575528343Tarot cards wasnt Ian's idea. It was ours. We spammed it on here and IDWshills brought it to Ian and Evan. We said it would be good for her charcter
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>>575528061Ok so answer the question...does the fact that you used to be able to use it on just any old trail of rings but then you could only use it on specific trails mean that the fact you could use it on any old trail of rings originally was unintended behavior?
>>575528109They really are doing this. Amy always looking for serious than Sonic. What are we doing.
>>575528109She looks completely retarded bro, like she's trying to summon Jesus to smite Godzilla.
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>>575528932How is summoning jesus to fight godzilla retarded dude what the fuck do you want do you want to fight godzilla yourself
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>>575528820I wanted to put this into words and couldn't think of a good way besides "different games have different mechanics", so thank you. I feel Sonic fans have difficulty understanding this for some reason, despite all of the games being so different from one another. But I get the impression that guy just wants to shit on Sonic Adventure more than anything else
>>575529112>religious nutOh ok now it makes sense>>575528942KEK
>>575528634>>My cards tell me you're here!>This is the same energy as>>Tangle would LOVE climbing around these ruinsNo it isn't. Youre coping so hard dude. She is stating she used her cards to find out where he is. Tails tries to play off the fact he is there and ahe says she knows he is there because of her cards.Youre so full of crap dude.>>575528634>Tails AdventureSure>Tails Sky Patrol???? No?>>Sonic Colors>>Sonic Lost WorldYes with the Miles Electic. A NEW THING THEY GAVE HIM to better communicate this aspect of his character without mucking up his design.That's the same thing as Amy's cards now.Thanks for proving my point.The amount of games where it comes up for Tails prior is equal to Amy, and is in a game gear spinoff game no one played, ans advantage Amy didnt get because she never got a spinoff save for Amy's American page 1, which is a card came but not THAT kind of card game.I rest my fucking case.
>>575528497It feels forced, that's why. Amy went like 25-30 years without ever bringing those things out except off-screen like twice and she never acted like some kind of weird mystic. There was no reason to make that shift in her character. Sonic characters don't make major shifts like that, except Amy for some reason.
>>575528820>ignoring the pointUnleashed is a game that radically changed the way 3D Sonic even is in general after a long continued implementation of them in a particular way.This is different from SA1 where in SA2 they put clear limits in place to prevent it from being exploited the way it was in SA1.Every version of the spindash since goes out of its way to not recreate the SA1 spamdash, which itself was something that did not reflect how it worked in the Classics. This is not even addressing the fact it blatantly broke the game in ways the devs objectively did not intend.Its not apples to apples.I have yet to see an argument that isnt playing evasive and special pleading.
>>575529708>Unleashed is a game that radically changed the way 3D Sonic even isNot according to Sonic Team.
>>575529541Tails went 20 years without the Miles Electric!Its the same kind of shitty argument to me. Its literally just "new thing bad". Fuck off man. Let Amy be cool.>like some kind of weird mystic.Not the impression I'm getting.>Sonic characters don't make major shifts like that, except Amy for some reason.I mean desu, classic to modern was a major shift for her in of itself.Also the Chaotix but whatever.You people insisted she couldn't fo things like make pink tornados or go invisible either, yet Metal can do Black Shield despite literslly only ever doing iy in SA2B multi-player 1 time.There is a clear trend of people autistically not wanting Amy to be allowed to be cool or interesting ability-wise and im just really tired of it
>>575529246He made a FUCKING. SPACESHIP!!!!!!!! CUSTOM MADE!!!!! THAT LOOKS LIKE HIM!!!!He OWNS a LAB!!!And you're still arguing this is the same as Amy referencing tarot cards in a single fucking line for a spinoff game when most of the time they don't even get that???Amy is NOT about using tarot cards in battle, and it's always been a minor detail of her character, end of discussion. I mean you don't want Tornado referenced cause your shitty argument won't work, but he spent a chunk of SA1 making it a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MACHINE, so not counting it is EXTREMELY disingenuous.Tails was ALWAYS like this, he put a ROCKET on Sonic's plane in his FIRST. GAME!!!The fact that Amy ALWAYS had the tarrot cards but never used them as a fucking hamster wheel or threw them at enemies like fucking Gambit already tells you they weren't supposed to be used that way.Trying to act like Amy's tarot card usage is tantamount to Tails love of machines is prime disingenuous behavior.
>>575529868Sonic Team didnt say that...they said its an evolution of the base idea set in Adventure.SA1 to Forces is "course clear 3D Sonic".Frontiers is "Open Zone Sonic."
>>575530245>trannybob
>>575530292Sonic Team never said Unleashed radically changed anything. They say it's the same gameplay in every game and they just improved on it.
>>575530245>He made a FUCKING. SPACESHIP!!!!!!!! CUSTOM MADE!!!!!And Amy predicted Sonic's location in Heroes, Rush and 06 with her 6th sense. Same shit as using her cards.What's your point? Sonic X even has her make Sonic a good luck charm that helps him swim and she does fortune shit that helps get Tailsmo together.But these dont count because she doesnt specifically use her cards.Things why her having them matters and is important. Yall didnt get the memo this was a part of her character when it always was.Youre literally just mad you cant ignore it and pretend it isnt real anymore
>>575530142>Tails went 20 years without the Miles Electric!Yeah, and everyone hates it because it relegated him to nerd support since Unleashed. The same thing's about to happen to Amy. She'll be tarot support instead.
>>575529708>ignoring the point>playing evasive...anon......for the 3rd time now......Answer my question.
>>575530430Not what they said>>575530525AAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEE
>>575530142>There is a clear trend of people autistically not wanting Amy to be allowed to be cool or interesting ability-wise and im just really tired of it>>575530586 (me)Forgot to add this: She was ALREADY cool and interesting. This is a pointless change. It's the "new Coke" of Amy development. It does nothing except dilute her character and focus.
I can't wait for movie Amy to use tarot cards
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>>575530586>and everyone hates it because it relegated him to nerd support since UnleashedNo it didn't. Its just association schizophrenia.People are doing the same thing blaming her cards for her characterization in Frontiers. There is literlly 0 correlation. Amy has been written like ass for years prior. IDW is when she first brought em back and she was more in character in the arc she reintroduced them than in prior arcs where she didn't.I promise you getting rid of her cards isnt gonna make them make her act more like her self. Its not correlated.This is like how Blazeschizos blame Silver for Blaze not being relevant.
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>>575530142Tails is gadget guy.Amy is not Gambit the Hedgehog.Tails using a new gadget is not weird. And frankly it's s not even new. It's just Tails being Tails.Amy using cards to fly and summon lightning is a complete subversion of the character, and franklyy doesn't even feel like her in its execution.It's like if Knuckles started kicking like Rouge. It feels weird. It's not like Knuckles has never kicked before. But it's not his "thing".The tarot cards taking over Amy's character is worsened by the fact that this damn character has had the most drastic changes of ALL of Sonic's cast, and that's saying a lot considering a lot of these motherfuckers have bee straight up rebooted. Like she did magic before so she's straight up just a witch now. Neat.
>>575530590I didn't ignore the point, smug can't. You did.You arent gonna dodge context to weasel your way out of this one.
>>575530976>I promise you getting rid of her cards isnt gonna make them make her act more like her self. Its not correlated.Yes and no. We had this discussion recently where Amy is absolutely not a back line character, which is why she feels so off in Forces. She would absolutely be out there in the front lines smashing everything with her hammer and keeping boosting civilian morale, convinced that Sonic would come back to them. Amy's tarot cards just relegate her to that same back line position when she's very clearly always been a front line character, which is in line with her love for excitement and distaste for boredom. It's the same reason it sucked when they locked her into the Restoration leadership for so long and why she got better when they let Jewel take over so she could go out and fight again.Will removing the cards immediately fix everything about her? No, but it will remove one of the immediate risks of making her worse. Again.
>>575526750Shadria works and it's beautiful.
>>575531260It's pedophilia with zoophilia.
>>575530713>was ALREADY cool and interesting.I AGREE which os why I am baffled you are obsessed with erasing aspects of her character. As demonstrated, this shit has always been in her character, expressed in all kinds of ways. But we need to erase all this shit so she can just be pink hammer girl because its all you personally remembered about her.Its fucking lame man. Amy was/IS cool. Stop trying to gerrymander her character because your idea of her is more jmportant to you than the truth of her.>It does nothing except dilute her character and focus.Prove it. Explain how it does any such thing.It literally does the opposite. Oh right. The focus of her character should just be getting mad and hammering things.Nothing else! So ass, man.
>>575530908If there is ANY consolation its that hopefully that will be how she meets Sonic. That will make me happy.Still trepidation about her characterization.They are gonna PrimeMy the shit out of her and I hate it.They toon Chan-Kent, the voice of fuckong Misa Amane and made her sound like the responsible killjoy. Its a directorial thing through and through. Anna's VA alone cant save it.>>575530943Blankity Blankity Blank 1 for each tarot draw
>>575531290Shadria is canonShadria is basedShadria is Maekawa's work of artShadria is angelicShadow loves Maria romanticallyMaria loves Shadow romantically
>>575530583Dude, are you illiterate.They were never. EVER. Used the way they've been used in recent years. You're just making me repeat the same thing again and again by missing the point, which is not that they were absent but they weren't her major method of battle nor a ubiquitous aspect of her character. In fact that's part of what made it hype when they were referenced. Now the shit just looks stupid.>Referencing non-canon TV shows nowEven there when the fuck did her tarot cards have anything to do with anything? She had lots of characters traits and her hammer was on full display once again, but making a good luck charm does not make her a fucking witch and it certainly doesn't make take over her character and personality. Tails' love of machinery can not EVER take over his personality because it IS his character. Tarot cards were nothing but a background detail for Amy that guided her and gave her an idea of where to go. It's like if a bounty hunter that used a revolver for kills and a map to find the next town suddenly started rolling up maps and fighting with them.And why would I want to pretend they're not real? I actually got hype when they mentioned them in Sonic Battle. You're assuming shit like I didn't know they existed when in reality I never wanted them to go away but they were NOT her main character trait NOR were they a form of battle. Her character's already been rewired like a damn Frankenstein monster and now this? She is literally a 100% new character now outside of being pink.
>>575531045>Amy is not Gambit the HedgehogAmy is Sonic yume. Using tarot cards and being into fortune shit is yumeshit. >>575531045>Amy using cards to fly and summon lightning is a complete subversion of the character,She didn't do this. >It's like if Knuckles started kicking like RougeTerrible comparison for your own point. Like im.not even calling it bad because its not comparable. (It isn't) im callingnit baf because it doesn't even fo your own argument any favors. Knuckles being known for punching doesnt mean he can never kick. That's ridiculous.Bros theme song constantly talks about his feet as is.
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She isn't here right now, Shadria is forever.
>>575531142>You arent gonna dodge context to weasel your way out of this one>Literally dodged the question because he noticed the flaw in his "logic"I'm waaaaaaaaaaitiiiiiiiiiing...
Maria spending her nights imagining the amazing wedding she will have with Shadow
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>>575532369corpses can't imagine or dream
>>575532478Wishes are eternal
>>575531239>Amy's tarot cards just relegate her to that same back line position when she's very clearly always been a front line character, which is in line with her love for excitement and distaste for boredom.I have to be honest here i really think youre overthinking this one. Amy's character has always had a supportive element to her where she also sometimes is in thr back but being proactive.In SA1, SA2, 06, Unleashed, she is being supportive while everyone else is on the front lines.Even then, this is Amy proactively looking for insight before rushing into the action.I cant help but feel you worked your way backwards to this statement. Its never been used as an excuse to make Amy not get involved or take charge. Not yet anyway. Nor do i even think this is a real concern. Its clear media forces are, if anything, trying to up play her being a "badass with a hammer" as is because current year anyway. So the concern feels completely misplaced to me. If anything we should be concerned about them trying too hard to make her just the tough as nails hammer girl character devoid of softness or whismy.
>>575531468>erasing aspects of her characterlolwhat? How is complaining about a trait taking over erasing aspects of her character? This is an argument about whether she should change or not and according to you she should. Amy uses tarot cards so Amy should just be a witch now. It's diluting her identity.>The focus of her character should just be getting mad and hammering things.You literally are complaining about who Amy is at this point. Like Sonic fans literally hate Sonic lol, you pretend to be an Amy fan but you're obsessed with changing her. You hate Amy, simple. IF you didn't you didn't you'd immediately recognize when she was being subverted AND be honest about it.
>>575532164What flaw? You asked a loaded question. Its not apples to apples.
>>575531468>I am baffled you are obsessed with erasing aspects of her character.I'm not, but you're looking at this in a weird way. Amy's tarot cards and dowsing were just hobbies given to her in CD to make her appeal to girls by giving her hobbies that real young girls in Japan had. They were treated like gimmicks and jokes. And now they're in games replacing moves she ALREADY HAD with her hammer. And for what? So you can give her some kind of artificial diversity in her abilities? So she can stop and draw a card and then scream at the being in the sky in poorly written scenes? What's the point? It's shit. It's all shit. It worked already, now they're trying to bring this gimmick to the forefront of her character because Ian Flynn loves to wikidive and pretend he's doing something cool.
>>575532057>Amy is Sonic yume. Using tarot cards and being into fortune shit is yumeshit.That's a complete non-sequitur based on literally nothing.>She didn't do this.She's literally shown us that she can.>Knuckles being known for punching doesnt mean he can never kick. THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT I SAID!!!!But if Knuckles suddenly went zesty and started kicking primarily to the point where I had to ask isn't his fucking NAME Knuckles then we have a problem .Why is this rocket science for you?
Amy’s real power is being able to lift heavy shit how do you add that to her gameplay without some boring shit like areas she can only explore because a heavy rock blocks them to other characters
>>575531814>the way they've been used in recent yearsYes. I agree. And I think the change is a good thing because it communicated the idea without nebulous shit like "woman's intuition" and "Sonic sense" instead and other random vague statements. Its the same thing just using an actual concrete thing to do it. IDW even had her using it to do the Amy thing of encouraging someone in lo spirits.You just seem ro specifically have autism over the presence of tarot cards specifically which I do not and will never understand as anything other than autism.The Miles Electric was good. It communicates he is the tech guy without mucking up his design. Gives him a multipurpose gadget for all kinds of shit. Its a handheld he modded so it even tells a story.Amy'a cards do the same thing. Communicates she believes in this horoscope shit. They have history because its how she met Sonic to begin with. Plays into her being the intuitive one and the dreamer.The only argument you have been able to make is "when I was growing up I never saw her physically pull put any cards so it shouldnt exist". This is not a real argument.Its retarded.
>>575532721It isn't a loaded question lolYou only think it's loaded because if you admit the truth it will make your argument looked flawed. If you want to prove your argument is strong, answer the question then state why it for whatever reason doesn't count.
On a scale of one million to one billion how much does Shadow love Maria?
>>575532581>In SA1, SA2, 06, Unleashed, she is being supportive while everyone else is on the front lines.SA2 and Unleashed are valid here because the plot demands it, but SA1 is her actively taking a protective role over the bird, telling Sonic she's going to force herself along with him even if he says no, and actively protecting it literally until the boss fight in her route. 06 has her doing all kinds of things off-screen and on, including rescuing Elise and protecting Sonic from Silver, which aren't really support role actions.>>575532581>If anything we should be concerned about them trying too hard to make her just the tough as nails hammer girl character devoid of softness or whismy.I agree, but I think they're going too hard in the opposite direction. Everyone knows Amy is an action girlie and every time they push her tarot cards it feels like she gets further away from that, just becoming girl.
>>575532686>taking overHow is it "taking over"? You will literally sperg the second she uses them in any capacity about it "taking over her character".You arent making a judgement based on how it is used or how frequently. Just the fact that it is at all.Youre no better than the people that claimed she was "just her crush on Sonic" in the 2000s.
>>575533240>Amy’s real power is being able to lift heavyBut that's revisionism shit
>>575533425The pico pico hammer has always been heavy as fuck
>>575533320One billion trillion is how much Shadow loves Maria
>>575533257>You just seem ro specifically have autism over the presence of tarot cards specifically which I do not and will never understand as anything other than autism.That's because you do not like Amy. If Amy changes it doesn't bother you. That's just caled being a fan, not autism. Well to be fair being a Sonic fan on its own is probably a form of autism, but you're basically trying to justify complete subversions of characters even when they become unrecognizable which is just sad.Amy always believed in horoscope shit and she didn't need to whip out a table and look through her deck to find a spell to fight with, or literally just physically throw them at enemies.You saying my argument is that she shouldn't actually physically pull them out is a completely disingenuous scarecrow argument that seems to deliberately miss the point about recognizable characters being slowly transformed into someone else altogether.
>>575533532Not always, but I'm not sure at what exact point it was modified, or if that was ever clarified. We do know that it became heavier over time and that she does some extreme training with weights that allow her to use it as freely as she does.
>>575533320Throw her photo away like trash out of a million billion.
>>575533532>>575533727it was a comic relief device. it only started being used outside comedy with around the time for sonic x and sonic advance. it was also in sonic fighters ig? but it didn't look like it packed a big punch
>>575532957>just hobbiesNo they were not. This is a meme you are asserting because you never personally noticed how they were used in her character.They have always ALWAYS been listed as and stated to be skills. Even then this argument is terrible. Tails tinkering is a hobby but that doesn't bar him from making use of it.Amy is the only character who isnt allowed to make use of her skills that arent just hammering things. Im not playing ball with this anymore. Its ass.You have created a just-so story to justify why they dont count and little else.Otherwise you would be arguing about how they are used rather than the fact that they are used. Because this shit was always in her character.>And now they're in games replacing moves she ALREADY HAD with her hammerAlready addressed this. Frontiers was slapped together. She doesn't even have a full moveset and they go out of their way to explain that her hammer isn't fully working properly as a cyber ghost.They arent phasing her hammer out for cards. Thats ridiculous. Prime doesnt even bring em up. Just her hammering things.The new Animation has her hammering things.>scream at the skyDidnt happen.
>>575533835Why do you dislike Shadria?
>>575533416How is it NOT taking over her character? Have you SEEN how she plays in Frontiers?I wanted, for YEARS, for Amy, among the others, to return to being playable in mainline games. Do you think that is what I expected? Fuck no. Shit genuinely looks retarded, misuses an aspect of her character that'd ALWAYS been there, and takes time away from Amy's main method of fighting which is swinging around a giant ass hammer.Looking at her fight alongside all the others vs Metal Sonic in that new animation, I literally don't even see how her cards could help her in a fast paced fight like that. Looks weird, feels weird, is getting played out, and is distracting from the character we've grown to know.
>>575533148>That's a complete non-sequitur based on literally nothing.Youre just saying words now.Its not "based on nothing" its literally the point of her character. To the point this is the explanation for half her moves in Sonic Battle.>She's literally shown us that she can.You literally made up her dropping thunder. This didn't not happen.Card float is a 1 game thing because she was a cyber ghost.>But if Knuckles suddenly went zesty and started kicking primarilyAmy is primarly using her hair still.Youre literally freaking out over her daring to use her cards at all in any capacity.
>>575533981I was proud of Shadow for moving on. Shadow Gens was a step backwards for his character.
>>575533926>Already addressed this. Frontiers was slapped together. She doesn't even have a full moveset and they go out of their way to explain that her hammer isn't fully working properly as a cyber ghost.You explain to me right now why she can Cyhammer but she can't Propeller Hammer and has to use the tarot cards to float.>Didnt happen.The fuck it didn't.
>>575534347Why is Shadria moving backwards?
>>575533297>It isn't a loaded question lolYes it is because it has the assumption built into it.I gave a complete answer and you are choosing to ignore it so you can give a phoned in answer that ignores context.Youre the one ignoring the truth for convenience.
>>575534303>Youre just saying words now.>Being Sonic yume is literally the point of Amy's characterNo the fuck it isn't.>You literally made upJust like they're making up abilities for her cards in IDW?>Card float is a 1 ame thingYeah ok. They said Amy being fucking sterile was just a Sonic Boom thing cause it's an AU but here we are, her personality is barely different from Sonic Boom 10 years later.>Amy is primarily using her hair stillI assume you mean hammer, and she's been using the cards more and more lately. Actually in Frontiers she primarily uses them.>Youre literally freaking out over her daring to use her cards at all in any capacity.And you're outright lying now because I told you 10 times I always like the inclusion of her cards, but acknowledging that doesn't serve your nonexistent argument now does it?
>>575534554Uh because Maria is dead and in the past???It's like he's....Turning Back.
>>575533390>SA2 and Unleashed are valid here because the plot demands it, but SA1 is her actively taking a protective role over the bird, telling Sonic she's going to force herself along with him even if he says no, and actively protecting it literally until the boss fight in her route. 06 has her doing all kinds of things off-screen and on, including rescuing Elise and protecting Sonic from Silver, which aren't really support role actions.Yes, ans Amy is being proactive here but also being supportive.They arent contradictory. If Amy was an RPG class she would be a war monk or a dancer. Maybe a paladin.>but I think they're going too hard in the opposite direction.I dont see how. Im legit just saying "hey you know all that shit Amy did that people didn't understand and saw as just rand bullshit, well if you have Amy use her cards for it instead it makes it more clear".That's it. Im not asking her to start casting spells or summoning demons.>Everyone knows Amy is an action girlie and every time they push her tarot cards it feels like she gets further away from that, just becoming girl.I despise people who want Amh to just be an action figure but pink with a hammer.No her tarot doesnt get in the way of her kicking ass. This is ridiculous. No sane person can actually believe this.
>>575534571Anon I'm tired. Answer the question and I'll be happy to engage any arguments you have. Otherwise this is my last response.
>>575534958Stop advocating for changing Amy. The way she used the tarot cards in the past was fine.
>>575533532No it hasn't. Its a fandom meme by people projecting Thor shit onto her. Its literally made of plastic and rubber.In canon it isnt even strong. Amy is the one who is strong. Especially when she gets fired up and passionate.But that other anonnis also wrong. Its not revisionism that Amy is strong. She literally is the one character to have a straight up shonen training arc. Amy lifts.
>>575534889Maria is what makes him strong
Observation: The more someone likes CD the more autismo they are>8h sonic cd analysisyou can finish that game in less than 1% of that time nigga with good future even
>>575533664>That's because you do not like AmyNo anon. YOU dont like Amy. You like the fanfic version you dreamed up purely off of watching just Sonic X when you were 7.To you Amy is just the Hammer girl that smash thing and like Sonic.Amy is a whole ass narrative about following yout heart chasing dreams believing in wishes and proactively pursuing that shit unabashedly.>Amy always believed in horoscope shit and she didn't need to whip out a table and look through her deck to find a spell to fight with, or literally just physically throw them at enemies.See youre doing it again. This is not a real argument. You are literally just against it on principle for no good reason.This is objectively a bigger more relevant part of her character than the fact she boxercizes yet I dont see you complaining about the fact they play it up more.Gee I wonder why that it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhKu-Bjr--kNight.
>>575534147>How is it NOT taking over her character? Have you SEEN how she plays in Frontiers?Read the whole post this time. There is no way you genuinely believe they are replacing her hammer for cards rather than it being a thing because she was a cyberghost and they were lazy and had no budget.The game goes out of its way to explain she cant make full use of her hammer as a ghost.
>>575534538>You explain to me right now why she can Cyhammer but she can't Propeller Hammer and has to use the tarot cards to float.Cyhammer has limited use. You have to build charges to use it. This is inline with the game's statement that she cant properly use it. But when she builds enough cyber charges she can make small use of it.Play the game
>>575535203His resolve is what makes him strong.
Sonic XG
>>575535435>YOU dont like Amy. You like the fanfic version you dreamed up purely off of watching just Sonic X when you were 7.You're the only one who brought up Sonic X. And you're the only one who thinks she needs to change.>boxercizeI've never seen Knuckles lift weights canonically do you think I'd be made if he did? If if I saw Tails reading a book? Or Sonic buying sneakers?Just be quiet at this point.
>>575535616You have got to be shitting me.I feel like I'm' in 2015 again.It's just an AU guys it's not permanent!I'm not having this argument in TWO generations when I already know the outcome.
>>575534752>No the fuck it isn't.Im convinced you dont actually know what that even means at this point. >Just like they're making up abilities for her cards in IDW?They never did. Youre talking out your ass because you need things to be mad about. If I am wrong, show me where they did. The only times she has used them (all 1 time) they are just cards. They dont have any special properties. >They said Amy being fucking sterile was just a Sonic Boom thing cause it's an AU but here we areThis didnt happen. What happened was Amy was made sterile on Lost World, Boom Amy happened and Amy haters claimed Boom Amy "fixed" her and now we are in this mess.The cards have literally nothing to do with it, dude. You're barking up the wrong tree.>>575534752>and she's been using the cards more and more lately.If you mean "more and more" you mean she went from "not using them" to "using them like once or twice a year"? Then yes. I agree. There is nothing wrong with this.No I do not believe they should be relegated to a background thing because that was how it was when you were 12.
>>575535018I did answer. No it doesn't not, but the comparison is bad because its not the same scenario.Why do you keep making me repeat myself? this is rhe part where you green text out the entire post exect the "no it doesnt"
Shadow and Maria are
>>575535157Explain why it was better before and why its bad now in a way that isn't just "new thing bad".Im not even advocating for changing Amy. Because this was already in her character.Stop advocating limiting her for the sake of your nostalgia.
>>575533858>it was also in sonic fighters ig? but it didn't look like it packed a big punchThat's what I meant by "not always." It was just a toy back then. It eventually became the bulkier version we know today because she keeps modifying it, and it's considerably heavier now. But I don't know that they've ever disclosed when it became so genuinely heavy. It may not have been at the time of its initial redesign, but it could have been for all we know.
>>575536354Having sex
>>575535756>This is inline with the game's statement that she cant properly use it.You let this line carry a lot of your argument, but literally all she does is ask Knuckles why his punches work on enemies and her hammer doesn't. It doesn't say she can't use the hammer. She clearly can. She also rides it so it obviously affects her cyber body and thus should be something she could use to float without needing the cards. You know, like she has since 2003. Literally nothing else is said about her ability or inability to use her hammer in FH.>Play the gameYou first.
>>575536526>because she keeps modifying itThat's a headcanon. there's not a single piece of lore that has this not even the non canon spinoffs. thus it's revisionism>her hammer was always a big heavy weaponlook at the nu-classic shit we have been getting since sonic mania
>>575536180>Im convinced you dont actually know what that even means at this point.?? That she is literally a yum lol? Otherwise explain yourself. You basically are telling me>Amy is a hedgehog>Hedgehogs eat worms>So Amy must eat worms!Is so fucking retarded I think I'm losing braincells even engaging the logic.>They never did. WTF is supposed to be happening here???>>575528109>This didn't happen. What happened was>A series of mental gymnastics that land us in the exact same spotwow>The cards have literally nothing to do with it, dude.? I never said they did? I was making an analogy. The games have a feature that's supposed to be a one time thing then suddenly it's permanent. Many such cases. You at least have to have the mental capacity for basic analogies.>No I do not believe Amy should stay the sameYeah, we've established that.
>>575536678Shadow and Maria are having sex
>>575536302Repeat what lol I am the one who had to repeat myself again and again and again. This is maximum ragebait I don't even know if you really believe anything you've said so far. Everything has been either a deflection or projection.Anyway so basically the point is that just because it changed in the next game doesn't mean it changed because it was a bug. It's possible they didn't like the meta or that they changed their minds about it, etc. It's not a particularly clever "exploit", all you have to do is mash the button. No it's not the same scenario but the logic you use as your "proof" is flawed.
>>575536053>You're the only one who brought up Sonic X. And you're the only one who thinks she needs to change.Dont lie. Let's be real this is where this comes from. No one plays the games and comes away thinkong Amy is just a manic hammer berserker and nothing else. Thats literally just an X thing.Im literally not asking for her to change. Im legit saying "showing a thing that has always been in her character rather than telling is a good thing actually".>>575536053>I've never seen Knuckles lift weights canonicallyHe does push-ups in his idle animations and is lifting rocks in Prime as his intro.Even then this comparison is ass. Lifting weights isn't a thing associated with his character. Martial arts are. I find it wild you compare her boxercizing to that but Tarot is "troooo far" despite the former being in 1 game and the latter being in multiple.Its just your bias to powerfagging and fightslop.>>575536178What are tou even talking about
>>575536436>Explain why it was better beforeBecause I liked Amy before and she didn't need to change.>this was already in her characterNot like this.>nostalgiaHaving integrity is not nostalgiafagging. You zoomers who pretend to care about muh development won't give a damn about this series in 5 years regardless.
>>575536526>and it's considerably heavier now.It isn't. Stop reading fandom wikis.
>>575537106>Dont lie.>>575530583>Sonic X even has h-Be quiet.>Schizo ramblingBe quiet.>He does push-ups in his idle animations and is lifting rocks in Prime as his intro.And? You think I'd be mad if I saw him ifting weights?>powerfaggingWhat does this have to do with anything?>What are tou even talking about>he doesn't knowI'm arguing with a zoomer.
>>575536739>You let this line carry a lot of your argumentYes anon, I do in fact use the info in the game to make arguments rather than schizo conspiracy theories.Crazy concept. >It doesn't say she can't use the hammer.Youre being obtuse. If she cant use it on enemies, it explains why she doesnt. But she can use Cyhammer after building the gauge but its limited and primarily used for puzzles.The simple fact is the game goes out of its way to address it AT ALL means the devs knew it was different and weird and treat it as such in universe. It is not to be treated as her new status quo. No sensible person thinks this it is. Kishimoto isnt even letting Sonic keep his own moves from Cyberspace except the cyloop as is. Amy isn't replacing her hammer for cards.
>>575536759>>575537238It may not be that she modified, the original, maybe simply replaced it, but the classic hammer is, in almost all cases, just a harmless squeaky toy that doesn't do much of anything to anyone. Only the modern hammer is shown to be capable of being as destructive as it is, which makes sense given the complete redesign into a more industrial metal sledgehammer style with plating and bolts on it. I don't know what to tell you if you can't determine just from looking that the latter is heavier than the former.
>>575531045Shut up. Sonic is going to start spouting haikus, Shadow will take up video games, and Knuckles will become a super saiyan!
decided to watch mutant mayhem tonight due to those TMNT versions dropping in crossworlds tomorrow, it wasn't even that fucking bad, hell, I actually liked itI LIKED THE ZOOMER TMNT, WHAT THE FUCK ANONS
>>575537564>Yes anon, I do in fact use the info in the game to make arguments rather than schizo conspiracy theories.>Crazy concept.Well it would make sense if the one, singular line actually did anything to back up your argument, but you're literally making up context. And nothing in your post refutes that. Okay, she can't use it on enemies. But she can ride it. Why can't she Propeller Hammer? You still haven't answered. One single line about why she can't destroy enemies with it does nothing to explain why she needs the tarot cards to replace her hammer moveset that she's had for over 20 years provided that the hammer can, and does, still interact with her cyber body as it would her real body, with the obvious exception of being able to damage enemies with it.
>>575537928dear god anon you need to get to a hospital immediately if you're openly admitting stuff like this
>>575537785https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_HHMuoAwDA
>>575536828>?? That she is literally a yum lol? Otherwise explain yourself. You basically are telling meBro is literally in contrarianism mode. Thanks for the confessionYumejoshi = dreamer girl. Amy dreams and wishes and wants to being with Sonic. Amy is Sonicyume. Yumes use tarotcards. Yumes also buy into thinks like fortunetelling and Good luck charms.Her cards communicate this to the audience she is into this kind of stuff.>>575536828>>Amy is a hedgehog>>Hedgehogs eat worms>>So Amy must eat worms!>Is so fucking retarded I think I'm losing braincells even engaging the logic.Youre being dishonest as hell. Amy isnt a hedgehog. She is a cartoon character with a hedgehog design. The universe itself doesnt even treat the toon characters like Sonic or Amy the same as actual animals which also exist in the verse.Youre being retarded on purpose to be oppositional now>>575536828>WTF is supposed to be happening here???She is probably reaching up to Mothra. On the previous issue she was trying to communicate with it because her intuition told her Mothra was a good guy..er..girl.The simple fact though is you dont actually know but for some weird reason jumped to the wild conclusion Amy was using her cards to summon thunder for literally no reason.Do you just....not actually know wtf fortune cards are?The 3 cards Amy pulled have established meanings. It will play into the story.>>A series of mental gymnastics Youre bad faith as hell dude.>? I never said they did?Yes you did.>Yeah, we've established that.The fact you have to keep erasing what I actually said to fight strawman is telling.
>>575537060>literally does the thing in the spoilerDidnt even try to bury the lead.
>>575537928>>575538152I'd like modern stuff it was actually edgy angsty and cool. Now I just rest in dread as time keeps passing on and the golden era keeps going further into the past.
>>575537928I never watched it but I saw a trailer for it and thought it was entertaining enough. It seems like serviceable children's entertainment that only 30 year old neckbeards would be ranting over. Hey kind of like here.
>>575537928sucks how they look like fucked up pugs in crossworlds because mutant mayhems art direction is actually really fucking good for what it isalso, Rise of the TMNT April is best April.
The old ways are always the best ways. I give a ton of shits about that. >>575538557I will consume the media that makes me happy, and modern media just lacks the grit that old stuff has. Music, fashion, everything. It's just the truth.
Unleashed is the worst mainline game and it's not even close. More of 06's runtime is tolerable than the 90% of Unleashed that is godawful button mashing hogwolf stages.
>>575537186>Because I liked Amy before and she didn't need to change.Clearly not because you ignore aspects of her character to create this idea of what she was which is what you are "protecting". Its a vanity thing to you. >Not like this.Objectively false. They just didnt use it enough.>integrity My fucking sides dude. You arent working off integrity. Integrity implies willing to hold to logistic principles and consistency. Your rent doing any such thing. Your position begins and ends at "she didnt use them on screen when I was 12 so she should ever". Thats not integrity. That's vanity.>zoomersIm 31, grandpa. I geew up with the series since the genesis. I just have actual integrity unlike you.
>>575538242>Youre being dishonest as hell.You are missing the point. You're getting carried away with logic. Amy loves Sonic and dreams of being with him Yumes do this By definition then Amy is a Yume Yumes are into horoscope shit Therefore Amy is into horoscope shit Amy being a Yume is the core of her character Therefore Amy being into horoscope shit is also the core of her character.This is called non-sequitur and you're getting carried away in your own mind and it's full on turbo retarded.
>>575538654TrvkeThat's why I don't consume Sonic media that began after the Genesis ended production
>>575538346I wrote you a full breakdown, should've known you wouldn't be man enough to engage it.
>>575537515How old are you 70? Why should I take anything you say about this character seriously?Youre probably some Archieschizo who shills pic related
>>575538681sex
>>575538681beating to death with a rock
>>575538865I just feel bad and insecure and all sorts of negative things about the world moving on from the world I once knew. Every single time I try to find something cool I like, I find that it's changed by today. Things just aren't the same anymore. I figure every generation has some old souls that think things were better in the past, so why not me? Why can't I be the anti Gen Z Gen Z?
>>575538740>Clearly not because you ignore aspects of her characterI'm in no way ignoring them, I've repeatedly insisted they have always been part of her character and you have repeatedly attempted to argue otherwise because you are not capable of arguing without fallacies.>Objectively false.>But actually it's true lolkek wtf?> Integrity implies willing to hold to logistic principles and consistency.>Integrity implies doing exactly what you're doingUh ok?> Your position begins and ends at "she didnt use them on screen when I was 12 so she should ever".Wants again a lazy scarecrow argument. You literally cannot argue without fallacies, so you don't have a leg to stand on.
Sonic having black eyes was a bug and they only reverted back to it after several years because nostalgiafags defended the shitty incomplete appearance.
>>575539008Age is not an insult. How is this mindset infiltrating into 4chan of all places, where being an older guy from the start is supposed to be a badge of honor
>>575539008>Youre probably some [insert schizo boogeyman]I'm tired
>>575539098if it was a bug why the hell is it on the boxart and promo renders anon
>>575539212artists didn't get the memo
>>575537605>Only the modern hammer is shown to be capable of being as destructive as it isThis is false. Amy is shown in Origins and iDW to be able to smash rocks and spikes with it.As for Modern, SA1 explicitly has it stated it isnt strong. Its primary use is for Amy to use it for acrobatics. Amy does damage with it because she herself is skilled and powerful. It isnt the hammer. Its Amy. Amy isnt Thor. Her Pico Hammer isnt Mjolnir. Archie isnt canon.At most she has an alt hammer in Adv 3 and Rush that does have weight. That isn't her main one though which is a suped up novelty item. The yellow part is rubber and has holes that show where the air comes out when it compresses.
>>575539008You say that like young people aren't universally dumbasses.
>>575538681I wonder why they skipped her for so long.
>>575539212They just hadn't figured it out yet. Once they fully realized the design they saw no reason to go back to the shitty one until they were forced into recycling it for a baby side series.
If it isn't the 4th wheel
>>575538019>literally making up contextIm literally just stating how the mechanic works in game.The context isn't made up. You apparently just need it spelled out for you for some reason.Probably an American.>b-but if you think about it super in depth it doesnt really make se-Stop. You can do that with anything in this series in general. Yes she can use it in limited capacity only. The devs intention wasnt to replace her hammer forever. Otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to even have the line highlighting her not being able to fully use it.
>>575539339She's been using the plated one for a while. I think one closer to a toy was really only used in SA1 and Heroes as modern games go.
The dlc wouldn't be complete without Turtle Titan
>>575538713>button mashingPlaying the game wrong is the games' fault somehow
>>575523473Anyone enjoyed that Sonic & Garfield Pack game? I kinda wish Garfield and Nermal were playable in Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds. .God, I want to fuck Nermal! <3 <3 <3
>>575538770>This is called non-sequiturNo it isn't. Youre saying words you dont know the meaning of.Youre trying to sounds smarter than you are, which isnt very.I haven't said anything incorrect. Her bios even bring up her being a yume and it relating to her fortuneshit.Im literally just going off of offocial statements."Emmy, a dreamy girl with a high level of femininity, enjoys fortune-telling"- literally Sonic Channel
>>575539904hi nermalfag, /co/ is to the right.
>>575538895You just said the thing i said you would say. The response is literally for me to just go"read this post" >>575528061And now you'll claim im looping when you are.
Heh, remember when we though we'd get Sonic Unleashed: Remastered or some such? Fun times.
>>575539994>This is called non-sequitur>N-Nuh-uh!!
I wish I lived like Sonic and didn't take answers from anybody or anywhere, and I could live out my dream of total freedom and hyper individualism. Real life has so much red tape and procedures.
>>575539642I have no reason to continue engaging with you if you're going to keep ignoring the question and try to insult my intelligence over it. I don't care what the dev intention is. The entire point of the discussion is that the dev intention is shit. It was a change that didn't need to be made. And if it were only limited to a one-off scenario in Frontiers, that's one thing, but IDW's been pushing it even longer than that (gee, I wonder who the Frontiers writer was and what else he does). And if you can't provide adequate justification for it in lieu of the devs, who sure as hell couldn't or people wouldn't still be arguing about it four years later, beyond "Well it just does/doesn't" because you're either too lazy or too dumb to engage with it any further than surface level, then there's nothing else to say. Even by their own "logic," it doesn't make sense. That's why people don't like it. That's why they consider it unnecessary. And that's why they're going to continue arguing about it. And you've said nothing to challenge that.(This is, of course, separate from any arguments about how the hammer promotes agency versus how the cards promote some sort of divine intervention, or any other themes present in Amy's design that have been consistently portrayed by her hammer's presence since the earliest of the modern era that are slowly being eroded by conflicting design theming, because that's a whole other discussion to be had.)
>>575539679>She's been using the plated one for a while06 is an outlier. She only uses that one in that game because the game has realism autism.She has consistently used pic related instead since I all official works as a standardized design. Which as I said is make of rubber and plastic.She uses it in Forces, IDW, and even TMOSTH and all the racing spinoffs where AllStars exist.Youre wrong.
>>575540110are you drunk? I pointed out the basic flaw in your logic. You claimed I would respond by just saying "nope" but in reality I actually engaged your post and you still pretended I didn't. You're weird.
>>575539175>Age is not an insult.Says the mother decker who pulled the zoomie card lmao. Hypocrite out the ass.>>575539341Im literally 30You legit have to be an ignorant fossil to make this argument at this point Your nostalgia comes from literal ignorance at that point.
>>575539904But Anon, Nermal is a boy!
Do you bros like SRB2?
How’s it going my fellow alcoholics? Is it just me or does beer make you hungry?
>>575540387You didn't. You equivocated.No you cant just go "well you cant just say every change evey reflects da true intentions".Thats a fallacy. The situation with the spamdash on SA1 is not the same as unleashed.It isnt the same. 1 is the result of their first attempt at Sonic in 2 D that was immediately changed in a way that only exists to limit how it was in the first game. The way it was in the first game itself os inconsistent with how it was in every other game prior.The light dash worked on any trail of rings in multiple games consistently before Unleashed, a game that changed the mechanics of thebgame radically in general with one of the main things being streamlining and removing jank, which the LightDash was infamous for.You have this weird idea that Sonic Team we're "balancing a meta" for a 3D single player platform action adventure game which is weird and makes no sense.It is far more logical to believe it straight up was an oversight. It takes more twisting and turning and mental gymnastics to say otherwise.
>>575540245A non-sequitur is a response that doesnt address the question or statement. Not a chain of logic you dont like.
>>575526750Craziest Sonic ship by a fucking mile.Would like to see more people developing on it
>>575540474Different guy anon. I was just calling you dumb.
>>575541059>A non-sequitur is a response that doesnt address the question or statement. Not a chain of logic you dont like.That's not what a non-sequitur is.
>>575531038
>>575541076Who the heck is that?
>>575531468
>>575541246Literally that is what it is. Now clue who told you otherwise.
>>575541663Ebony the Cat
>>575531574https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3075c796-e3ca-4a07-b2b8-4a59e5fcba5b
>>575532007>mfw Seaside Hill music still gets me randy
>>575540327>I don't care what the dev intention is. The entire point of the discussion is that the dev intention is shit.No anon...the convo started because you insisted they are replacing her shit with cards and makong it her entire character, using Frontiers moveset as an argument.>>575540327>but IDW's been pushing it even longer than that (gee, I wonder who the Frontiers writer was and what else he does)IDW literally only ever used her cards 1 time and it wasnt even Ian. It was Evan.You've created this schizo narrative in your head and bought into it because you are understandably frustrated with how Amy's character has been mangled. But you are blaming the wrong shit and when it comes to her cards.Like I said complaining about them isn't gonna make her at like herself.They do not exist as a replacement for her acting like herself.
>>575540327>This is, of course, separate from any arguments about how the hammer promotes agency versus how the cards promote some sort of divine intervention, or any other themes present in Amy's design that have been consistently portrayed by her hammer's presence since the earliest of the modern era that are slowly being eroded by conflicting design theming, because that's a whole other discussion to be had.)Why are americans obsessed with "agency" (read :agression and control) and allergic to the idea of fate (wisdom and faith)?This has always been in Amy's character. You haven't been paying attention.Amy believes her and Sonic are meant to be on some fairytale shit.
>>575532161
>>575541663It looks like Blaze but due to international copyright laws, it isn't.
>another day another seething about amydo amyfags have jobs?
>>575541076Based.>>575542820kek
Was playing Crossworlds right now and in the Grand Prix instead of the normal line that plays when you pass him Jet said "We're neck and neck". I was playing as Sonic and we were top 2 overall so idk if one of those triggered it
>>575542843I quit after one day
>>575543753Respect.
>>575534303>dropping thunderNo, you're just being hysterical.
>>575542597Because Sonic defies things like fate and destiny on a regular basis. Then again, that might be part of what makes him so interesting to Amy. He's an anomaly.
Do you think sonic team regrets making the rosy wisp for lost world’s port? I mean, Rickette did look cute as Rosette but the amount of art of Eggman turned into Amy Rose was insane.
>>575539396Sometimes it's good to make the fans wait.
>>575540854>Liquid breadIt shouldn't.
>>575541779
Midnight shitty boring cat
just delete amy and start over at this point
>>575546175No, she's beautiful.
>>575545809It does for me. Ironically weed never makes me hungry.
>>575546350No, she's beautiful.
>>575546618>Gets high>No munchiesReally goes against the grain desu.
>>575546350We can fix Amy if only sonic team listens to the Gooners instead of idw fans>>575546685This. So much this.
>>575546773Yeah and on top of that it gives me anxiety.
>>575546916Well I've heard of that side-effect before. Maybe only get a little bit high.
>>575546685Amy should have HUGE fuggin tiddies but no one should mention it because she's cute and not whorish.
>>575547239>Not-LanolinI can dig it.
We need a canon fiona.>inb4 but why?Cause we lack mercenaries and terrorists, so a 'iona that is not just a slut is needed to call airstrikes on sonic and friends.
>>575547140That doesn’t work either. It sucks. Cigarettes are better for me though.>>575547615Yes.
>>575547775Try and keep it under two packs a day.
>>575547615I agree but I do not look forwards to how the story will play. present day sonic team writing will always miss. even with ian flynn who seems to have a sonic fatigue
>>575539396Cause Amy is that low on the totem pole now that her love for Sonic has been removed.
>>575548489Can't be a Japanese rule, they love all that girls-chasing-boys crap. Must be an Americanism that's been put into action, the bastards!
>>575535559nigh night emo kitsu, i always love your songs
>>575548387Of course he has sonic fatigue, he sucked off penders' worldbuilding big breasts, and now he got nothing but the main game world where nothing ever happens and can't really connect for shit because a thousand writers came before alongside the japs mandating.
Do girls like Fiona?
do you guys like project 06/night of kronos?
>>575539396Cause IDW knows how terrible Amy's rep with them are
if it was made after December 2005 I don't want it. I don't want to talk about it nor think about it. and that's out of generosity. I'd say 2001 is were things stop and between 2001 and 2005 is a nice-to-have
>>575549317My theory is that girls only like cool males, men likes sexy females.Then there is the self-insert/representation audience who love wearing characters like a skin, which is why tails exist because his original purpose was to be player 2.
I have a sonic fatigue
>>575550351>"At least you can still get fatigue..."
>>575550578I can buy the next crash game knowing it's going to be fun even after playing crash 4.... well whenever they make one.I can no longer guarantee the next sonic game is going to be fun. actually I know it's going to be more press run to run
>>575550351you shouldn't have asked him to do anal
>>575550753>the next crash>Crash Team Rumble was over three years ago>Crash Bandicoot flour was six years agoWell, when you're starving, anything's a meal.
People seriously need to fuck, i also need to fuck. And i mean baby making fucking.
>>575551081Let's do it to it!
>>575551000it's been worse>2004 (twinsanity) -> 2007 (of the titan)>2008 (MoM) -> 2017 (trilogy remake)and that's if you count those shit games.>2004 (twinsanity) -> 2017 (trilogy remake)Anyways you can't convince me you consume nothing but crash.
Why did sega allow this?
>>575551081Sonic fans are made to breed. Ugly Sonic fans are a Jewish psyop, if you ever get a Sonic fan naked you will orgasm instantly from the sheer sexual prowess.
>>575551423I don't know why but this made me laugh a lot.
Amy is the cover of the new IDW volume i’ll take it as a sign to buy all of them now
>>575551308>2004 (twinsanity) -> 2007 (of the titan)You forgot Crash Tag Team Racing and sigh, Crash Boom Bang.>2008 (MoM) -> 2017 (trilogy remake)Legit but still proves my point. When you're starving...So three more years until the next Crash game. Man that sucks.
>>575551907I'll use this as an excuse to jerk it to Amy instead of human male x Tails today
coming to think of it. crash of the titan and mind over mutant got similar aesthetics to sonic boom. what were people smoking around that time? I remember seeing the first leaked sonic boom graphics in 2014 and was like "now where did i see this before?"
>>575552096God of War clones. Spyro did the same thing with his "Legend of Spyro" games. Lazy no skill beat'em ups made for little kids who just want to button mash.Skylanders fucking sucks. Those games are fucking terrible.
anons, what are your thoughts on this?https://litter.catbox.moe/2pcaz8laosnio2wo.png
>hides your faggot post
>>575552421
I never noticed but this anon has a point:>>>/co/154783668Comics suffer from inbreeding, which is the case for idw too, trying to import watered down archie content like the FF/restoration parallel.
>>575552421Are blaze and wave not hot enough?
Quick question. Is Sonic Superstars a good game worth getting?
>>575552421Kinda gay desu.
>>575552853Only if you really loved 2D Sonic and even then, no, not really.
>>575552465Stop being homophobic
>>575552785Incorrect1) Comic books (specifically Capeshit) in the past were written primarily by men.2) Most men in the past were drafted into the military. The "real ass lives" you are referring to is having blood on your hands. This is why Golden Age comics didn't give a shit about murder.3) Hiring only the cheapest writers & artists available has nothing to do with "incest".
>>575552168its cute when they have animal fangs instead of human teeth
>>575552421Magnificent
>>575552168boy amy
>>575552830They're flatBut Krazyelf's making a Blazouge comic rn, so maybe I'll change my mind
>>575552853hell no. save yourself the trouble and money.
TMNT tomorrow in CrossworldsAnd I dont care
>>575553897you should care!
>>575553958TMNT died when they turned April into a nigger.
>>575553897I only care about the next balanced patchYesterday someone with the meta build won 5 times back to back because RE just lets you go that fast over everyone else.Good gadgets for people who don't want to snake all the time when?
>faggot
>>575554218Shadow has no filters, of he thinks someone is a faggots he would just bully him until he suicides as Gerald taught him
anons, do you like it when 3d sonic porn is on model?https://litter.catbox.moe/4b8h21jy9988t425.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/dnesa41036p2gcn9.mp4
>>575554496Lol look at their tiny little glass marble balls haha
Sometimes I understand Sega. Making Sonic more kids-friendly is what happens when you have to remove harmless scenes like this for your americlap audience
>>575554496So is this what you're gonna do until bedtime? Just spam porn?
>>575554581How is that not for kids?
>>575552421>>575554496Post moar
>>575554496Disgusting Beautifully animated cum shot though
>>575554783Knuckes was bullying Sonic and that's a no no in western TV
Jobberdow
>>575554581i think these were more for run time than it being actually inapproitate.
>>575555048Is it in the 4kids dubbed DVD release? If not then I'm gonna call it censorship.
>>575554928There is no way
oh so thats the original version of opression line
>>575555548>>575555048Why defend 4Kids? They deleted this important flashbacks because Chris was a neglected kid, which was the whole fucking point, but 4kids didn't want to show that.Like how many scenes here and there where deleted? Around 50 or something. Impossible the problem was run time.https://youtu.be/BcMyyLC1x8I?is=ztW-bfjgrmRbVdiw
>>575555960i am not defending them. you should consume anything sonic japanese.that being said i wish at the very least they had a remake ver like digimon movie remastered so it reaches some of the normies.
Is smash bros sonic a good sonic?
>>575556154No because there is barely anything to talk about. But I'm glad we got something with Pikachu to counter attack the Sonichu memes.
>>575554496>ywn insert your penis inside Sonic's beautiful blue warm and naturally wet boy pussy
>>575556769Hedgehogs have a loft of baggy skin, I bet his ass is very loose
Who is the cutest female Sonic character?Who is the prettiest female Sonic character?Who is the sexiest female Sonic character?Who is the cutest male Sonic character?Who is the prettiest male Sonic character?Who is the sexiest male Sonic character?Only one category per character, only one character per category.
Fiona is behind all this.FIONA KNEW IT SHE ORCHESTRATED IT
>>575557129>Sonic's ass is very looseDamn Sonic you a whore!
>>575557773>taking pictures of amy while she sleeps
>>575557136cream, amy, rougetails,silver,uhhh sonic/shadow??all objective.
>>575538681About time.
>>575557136Cream.All.Whisper.
>>5755393965 and 6 shilled their OCs then they wanted Amy next to Surge uwu.
>>575559027Fuck yeah.
Lesbian slop.
its interesting that shadamy and shadouge artists exist in japan but not sonaze.youd assume sonaze doesnt exist there due to people not sticking outside of sonamy/silvaze/shadria/sonadow/mephilver but it isnt that
>>575559429>azeWho?
>>575559183Shadow will get the 8th.
>>575559429If you watch every anime ever you've seen characters who have super insane bonds but are just plain not romantic a trillion times
>>5755559604kids didn’t censor Chris’s lame fucking “backstory”. It’s still there retard. Stop parroting YouTube opinions.
>>575557136Now that Tailsfags are asleep I can safely say Silver is the cutest without facing any opposition
>>575557129It's Sonic. it's Sonic's ass. I don't care if it's loose or not i'm doing this faggot
>>575559557i don't think sonaze is canoncically romantic on either side either, i just find it interesting the west assumes that it is romantic or at least blaze has/had a crush while japanese straight up don't see it. but then again the shadamy/shadoru breaking japanese artist patterns might just be a yume thing.
>>575559617i like silver but he's more ''pretty'' than straight up cute like tails. mostly due to tails's age or androgyny but still
>>575559595>4kids didn’t censor Chris’s lame fucking “backstory”.Fucking moron https://youtu.be/2T0YidzzdGo?t=654&is=Q21I6GtkDqOE4Zcb
emereude/zagato kinda looks like shadaria
>Now that Tailsfags are asleepI watch (You) from a dark corner.
>>575559538I would be ok with amy having a bf and a gf to compensate for all the years Sonic didn’t love her
>>575557136AmyTikalRougeTailsShadowSonic
>>575558575>>575559001I don't remember Cream ever being known as the cute one.
>>575560304she's the most obviously cutesy one, idk what to say. shes just unpopular because sonic fans care more about ''cool'' characters than ''cute'' ones.
>>575560019All Sonic characters look cute to me. Too chibi to call them anything else>>575560142I expected as much
>>575560658yea all of them have some cuteness appeal due to the plush proportions but there's a difference between that and intentionally designed as cutesy in personality and looks.
>Get ready to make fun of archiefag for describing characters inaccurately>His brother dies I didn't even do anything and now I feel like an asshole
>getting mad at old media
>>575560868When?
>>575544817Anon, this is an Amy character moment, not a Sonic one. She does this stuff regularly in the games, legit go look through the series and you'll see for yourself.I swear to christ its always been in her character.
I'm just saying Amy using Tarot cards all the fucking time is like if you made Sally sucking dick all the time her whole character
>>575560142Fionafag stop larping
¡OUGH! ¡That's IT! ¡I'M going to DESTROY (You)!
>>575560072Very funny, camperoplus.https://youtu.be/bAo4Tiifwjk?t=1165
>>575561782Stop building a legal case and identikit on me.
>>575561490She used en 3 times since their reintroduction.No I dont count Origins. Thats retelling the original manual.You people act like its somrthing she constantly does to yhr expense of anything else and its just not true.
>>575562180You know what you did in Vietnam.
>>575562410It was enstablished in martial court that HQ never mentioned the presence of civilians before the airstrike, so i came out clean.
>>575562201>Defending IDW ooc
>>575557136I just want to say that the sexiest and prettiest male character is (canonically) knuckles in-universe
>>575559429In Japanese Sonic sounds 15 while Blaze sounds 30, watching the SaTBK cutscene makes it feel like Sonic's auntie flirting with him.In English Sonic sounds 30 while Blaze sounds 20.
>>575562851Fiona, if you have sez with Human Man, will you pop out a hybrid kid or a fox kit, or nuttin' at all? Askin for a friend.
Remember what they took from us
>>575564751We get it. You don't respect women and see them as rape meat
Thanks Fortnite.
>>575564120this why silver has a ''manlier'' voice in japanese despite being said to be naive or being one year younger?that being said i think it isn't to make her sound more mature but moreso to make her sound ''masculine'' due to the takarazuka factor. not even rouge sounds that deep despite her older woman character type.
>>575564751
>>575564957Don't respect women? I'm the one who respect their original choicesRape meat? That's what you saw first
>western sonic release: "let's do it to it!>UGH why does the west insist on butchering the deep philosophical meaning behind this franchise??? do they not have a single localizer capable of understanding the series' intended depth?>original jp script: "retsu do itto to itto!"
>>575564751I miss them
>>575565095That didnt happpen
People love DBZ comparisons but Gokus character is so deep that fumbling one single expression changes the entire tone of a scene. Sonic isn't even close
>>575565250With Sonic, fumbling a single piece of his dialog can ruin the entire tone or theme of a story.
>>575565107Sonic is really that fucking gay huh?
>>575563523>ooc>literally her most consistent character trait after loving sonic and pikoing shit.
>>575566254It's IDW. It's OOC
>>575564957It's alright I also see boys as rape meat, don't you females like it when Chads(me) objectify you?
>>575565959Yes.
Literally the only reason any of you are against Amy using tarot is because it isnt geared towards violence. That's it.We have literal drooling morons here claiming her doing a tarot reading is her becoming Gambit or doing Thunder magic when she has done no such thing and depicted as nothing of the sort.We have retards insisting this is "replacing her hammer".And this is litedally because you are only able to see Amy's character in regards to her ability to enact violence and make your dicks hard.
>>575566557i wonder if tarot wasn't utilized in 90s or 00s due to the satanic panic era pokemon etc. had in usa and sonic team was concerned with west appeal during that era
>>575564120It's not that she sounds 30. Its that she sounds like a mannish-girl. Because that's her archetype. She is supposed to sounds princely, but the localizers never got the memo. So instead she sounds like a lady-knight rather than a bifauxnen.
Do you think Amy is one of those Pokemon cards scalpers? Cream and Charmy can't play Pokemons because Amy buys too many fucking Pokemon cards
>>575566804Considering Danny Phantom had to try and claim ghosts were aliens instead of spirit creatures and Vlad couldn't be a vampire because the show was "too occult", that stands to reason.It's not a forgotten or dropped aspect of her character because it was present in her profiles consistently and insistently the entire time, and they always had to use some other mechanic or concept to get the same idea. But that shit just got people thinking she developed psycho stalker powers instead.
>>575567067Amy is too busy buying department store make-up for street fashion for that crap.
Amy is not allowed to do anything other than smash things with hammer and want Sonikku's dick!Cooking and fashion are good because it makes anons dick hard.Tarot and astrology is cringe and has no place in my boys action series. Its an interest of hers that doesnt show how powerful of a battle bitch she is to make anons dick hard. Can't have that.
>>575567204Well she needs to get her cards from somewhere
Kids media is so sanitized in the 2000s that comparing it to today is weird. Idon't even know how modern cartoons got the reputation of being cudly and safe by comparisonThe english dub of Sonic X wasn't allowed to use the words "kill" or "die" but this wasn't an issue for Prime and Satam.
>>575564725HUMAN AND MOBIANS CAN'T BREED YOU PERV!
>>575567497It was a different world, you would get to see johnny bravo licking a woman's hand or spongebob doing weird fetish shit and icarly being obsessed with children feet until the creator was exposed as a pedophile, and on sonic's side it's characters showing their flaws and being jerks to each others while pantyshots of amy's underwear used to appear from time to time (although, amy's underwear were more similar to diapers).Then cartoons started to morph into butt jokes and farts, more infantile and relatively "clean" stuff, and aince adventure time/steven universe the decline accellerated.
>>575568045Fart fetishists must be happy
Amy Rose's specialty is stated in the Sonic CD manual to be fortune telling and mystic things. THAT is her core "ability". Not the hammer. Sonic the Fighters introduced the "Magical" Hammer, which looks like a Pikp-Piko Hammer which itself is just a Japanese squeaky toy, as a means for her to fight. It being magical directly ties it into her previously established affinity for mysticism, while the squeaky toy hammer itself is a common trope for Anime Girls. The Tarot Cards being much more visibly showcased and utilized in current media is good and beneficial for the character because it recenters the focus of her abilities on mysticism as the root, with the Piko Piko Hammer being an extension of that which allows her to be a proactive fighter. If Sonic is Speed-type with wind as the element, Tails is Fly-type with electricity or the sky as the element, and Knuckles is Power-type with fire and earth as the element, I like to call Amy "Mystic-type" with heart as the element.
>>575568304Yes maybe i talked about fetishes too much, but i do this because if they allowed thia stuff they were completely unhinged story wise and in themes, like courage the cowardly dog being straight out horror.
Did you know in the Radical Train stage for Sonic's story, the train Sonic has to stop from running into explosives originally had people yelling in terror for Sonic to save them?I guess they removed those lines because it would make Eggman look too evil and cruel.
>>575568548i guess that makes silver is a male amy comparison thing even more prominenti wonder why they downplayed her mystical side for so long, something makes me think its the satanic panic era but idk
eggman has canonically never killed anyone according to sega btw
>>575568958that was dark gaia
>>575567497its pros and cons but with WAY more cons. Your characters can say Crap or Kill but everything else is super puritan.Also characters themselves have to be forced from the writing process to be super safe and nice with no friction now. Makes friendships feel fake.Everything feels toothless rather than just having to do things to not scare the Christians.
>>575568958I never saw why this was a big deal. The same thing is true for Team Rocket and they're the fucking mafia
>>575568953I don't think it was ever really downplayed, it just appeared that way because it never had focus or relevance in any meaningful or overt capacity. It was just a thing she did, but because it was never explained or shown properly, a lot of people missed it and only focused on her hammer and her love for Sonic, especially 'cause of Sonic X. If it were up to me, Amy and Blaze would be like a body swapped Raven & Starfire.
>>575568548The point of amy's cards wasnt to be literal magic. It was more to be about wishes and dreams.But yes I agree bringing it back is a good thing because it recenters it.
>>575569087Team Rocket never shattered the world into pieces
>>575569087Because the Sonic fanbase has a large amount of comicbook autists in it. Pokemon doesn't.This kind of autism is comon in comic spaces.
>>575569074>to not scare the Christians*The internet feminists.Christians are outdated, they used to be active around 2000s.
>>575569210>The point of amy's cards wasnt to be literal magic. It was more to be about wishes and dreams.To me, there are no difference between these concepts. I mean like, personally, when I think about wishes and dreams, I think about fairy godparents and dreaming an entire planet into existence with a shark boy and a lava girl, so "wishes" and "dreams" just equate to magic to me on a subconscious level.
>>575567503I'm gonna beat your ass!.
>>575569370(You).... (You) shouldn't be canon!
>>575569074Kids cartoons are allowed to use the word ass now actually so there's that
>>575569526>badass is like assThis is like sonic saying "but" and shadow "damn"
>>575569704Blood also isn't censored anymore. That's something... right?
>>575569521Neither should (You) and yet, here we are!
>>575569704The currently airing disney spide-man cartoon also has minor swearing in it
>>575569784Is maturity just sex, violence and slurs?Or is it an adult experiencing his adult life and questioning the world around him?
>>575570017The latter was never really an issue for network broadcasters
>>575570017I used to get M rated video games with blood and realism mixed up with maturity.Wait. Did cartoons get less puritan and games get more puritan since 2000s? What's with all this prestige BS?
>>575570017modern cartoons have more of both of these compared to old cartoons though. in fact you could argue they have way too much of characters reckoning with the weight of their lives and its becoming cliche to have "realistic human emotions" in fantasy scenarios
>>575570116No, but it could make a difference if you blend children issues with adult stuff.https://youtube.com/watch?v=XZoXep3Ax70
>>575569334Yes, anon. That's what I am saying. Back then ot was Christians. Now its leftoids.
>>575570263I don't have to like something just because it's new.
>>575569526>badassThat was already allowed. So was kickass. Shrek sneaks the word "ass" by having him refer to Donkey.
>>575570486In my dub Shrek says "ass" in it's most uncensored literal sounding sense.
>sonicfags look at Bambi and be like “wow his mom died so mature!!! Not for kids!”
Why should my media diet by any different? There's no obligation or moral to require it to be anything more than just the hardcore and action. You're probably gonna move onto something else as soon as this is finished.
>>575570486Ice Age also used ass
>>575570914This is you pretending that the McDonald’s ground beef you are eating is a 5 star meal.
I'm starting to think publishing maturity standards are bullshit Can't swear in a Sonic comic but implied sex deception that is almost impossible to misinterpret as anything else is still fine
So i might ask again.What IS maturity?Sex, drug, violence and slurs?Dark humor?To unveil the truth behind a world full of appearance?Our everyday life as adults?Or is it the human experience ouside a child's worldview?I want to know (You)r opinions because i might learn something who knows...
>>575571257The second description seems too limiting. I think maturity just means it has more depth and sophisticated stuff and complexity. That's reductive too, anyways.
>>575571257Mature Demographic =/=MaturityWall E is more mature than South Park. South Park is also more mature than Wall EIt is inappropriate to make a little kid watch South Park, the jokes will expose and desensitize them to sex and violence which are objectively mature subjects. South Park rarely discusses those subjects in a mature *manner*. It is meant to be funny first and foremost. Rarely thought provoking. In that sense a show that intends to mature the audience is more mature.The word mature has two different contexts here so it will be defined differently. Subjects inappropriate for children are mature. Concepts that ask the audience to think like an adult are mature.
>>575571257Shadow effectively being suicidal in SA2 is probably the closest thing to maturity in the series.
So basically we need a Sonic game with guns and blood and jiggling titties
>>575571427That is another thing i want to question, because sometimes the writers fail to do that and the entire plot falls like an house of cards. A bit like tadc, the ending was supposed to be deep and about the consequences of "never coming out as your true self", yet the writer never questions why people wear these masks at all, masks meant to protect the person otherwise those next to them could exploit their weaknesses.So i think the fatal flaw of many modern writers is to never question theor oen beliefs and carry a debate inside the story. They just pick what feels deep.
>>575571257There's a difference between "mature" and "adult", although they often used interchangeably or mixed up, which is unfortunate."Adult" is keyword for sex, violence, gore, whatever. It's why you get "Adult animated series" like Invincible that are just there for cartoon violence. They're not mature, they're just not intended for kids."Mature" is more to do with experiences, emotions, growing etc. Topics that kids start learning as they begin to gain maturity to show some kind of development. Granted it's a bit of a buzzword calling media "mature" to make it seem more important somehow, even if it's not.
>>575571996If you read fanfiction you could get that already.
>>575572194I want a rated M Sonic game now
>>575572152Yeah, in the modern worldview that is all too common. I prefer in my stories not caring about themes and letting my implicit worldview show up on its own. But there's a balance since not caring about themes can also end up with a story like Twilight that is literally empty, like mine sometimes are. I don't think these are the end all be all but depending on the effect you want to go for its good.
modern kids shows are mostly aimed at adults who like to watch cartoons and thats really really bad basically sonic frontiers everywhere
>>575572152I would think the TADC’s characters are constantly under masks because they all have traumas of some sort.If anything having trauma is what kept the current circle alive since they apparently everyone inside isn’t close to being a normie sans the audience surrogate Pomni.
Fantasy and science fiction books have completely mogged Sonic when it comes to maturity. To the core.
Sonic is mature because when my daddy beats up my mommy, he stands there and says “Be like the wind!”
>>575572852At this point gooseworx would be far better if he copied some writer of the past. Like luigi pirandello's concept of "masks" or some other european classical poet.
I know most of the pro tarot card guys here are just trolls in disguise but why they keep doing this, no one gains nothing from this
>>575573153Tarot cards aren't even American or Japanese in Sonic. Ian Flynn is turning a minor part of a character into a core part of it for whatever reason. It's like making Amy's invisibility from 06 a mainstay thing.
get gooseworks onto Sonic and you will all love it
>>575573263I think Amy's invisibility should be addressed so yes Ian is in the right
>>575573263>a minor part of a character into a core part of it for whatever reasonHe's taking away Amy's adoration of Sonic so has to replace part of her personality with something else, and this fits his love of "reference to random thing".
>>575573280>what if gigi but with a drilling fetish?
Why does Amy's personality change just because she doesn't like Sonic anymore?
Gundow
>>575573398Fucking kek I could imagine Goose making every Egg Vehicle and Badnik shown having a drill
>>575573153>disagreeing with me makes you a trollGrow up dude.>>575573263>Ian derangement syndromeIan didnt even write the Godzilla issue. Ian doesnt even bring her cards up at all in his DC crossover.Evan wrote the issue where they first came back.Frontiers used em because Sonic Team wrote Final Horizon. Not Ian.>>575573381And there it is. Proving my point you people only hate it because you convinced yourself its a "replacement" for her openly loving Sonic.
>>575573572Lmao, imagine grounder raping zooble or jax's head.
>>575573742>its a "replacement" for her openly loving Sonic.It is
Omega the Bear
>>575573813Couldn’t you just equate the cards to being like CreamA multi-faceted tool that has underlying objectives meant to dismantle the true foundationIt would not surprise me if the cards are an SOA idea that SOJ took in without realizing the true intents
>>575573446It doesn't. Those are 2 seperate things as well.The reason Amy acts different is because girls being cute and bubbly is seen as misogynistic and/or cringe to a lot of westoids. Your lead girl needs to be the level headed one who rolls her eyes and the idiot male lead so he can learn to grow up. No exceptions.The male lead must be the doen on his luck simp who pines for a girl out of his league and he "learns to be worthy if her".No exceptions.That's what's going on. The cards have nothing to do with it.
>>575573468Now let's hear what Omega has to say about black arms genitalia
>>575573446The core of Amy's character is that fortune telling with tarot cards led her to a destined encounter with Sonic and it was love at first sight, and now she believes they are bound together by the red string of fate as destined lovers. Trying to make it some kind of divide between tarot cards versus loving Sonic is complete and total nonsense.
modern amy is a result of 10 years of people saying boom amy is better
>>575573813This is as retarded as the people who blamed the Miles Electric for Tails not fighting in cutscenes or being playable.The cards are back because Amy fans asked for them to be brought back for years.
for (You)
>>575573853Omega gave me more Gorilla vibes personally.
>>575574110I'd love to see evidence of that, because Amy fans only care about Amy being cute and getting with Sonic. Anything else is LARP.
>>575573853cute
Of course i'm playing splinter cell lile a true sonic fan.
In the end, you are all proving the Classicucks right. Youre all making the same overcorrection mistakes they did.The cycle repeats itself.https://youtu.be/hF5gEq3L-Yw
>>575574459Are you being genuine or a sperg I can’t tell
I only want Sonic games that feel like the adventure era. So yes I don't like change. I am not going to pretend to hate it just to "not sound like the classicfags". I don't care about that.
>>575574110Isn’t Miles Electric a ‘symptom not the cause’ issue
List of Flynnisms:>Knuckles and Amy being best friends >Sonic being sexually interested in Rouge>Sally waiting decades for Sonic >Sonic slowing down for anyone>Sonic being insecure>Sonic crying>Silver being an uwu cinnamon roll >Team Dark as a group of friendly GUN agents>Psychopath Rouge>Shadow being an idiot>Shadow being nice >Shadow giving speeches about the right thing to do >Amy moving on from Sonic >Amy tolerating other girls fucking Sonic >Amy being a "b*stie" for Sonic >Tails acting cocky>Tails being annoyed by Sonic's ego >Tails calling himself inconsistent>Knuckles wanting to move on from the master emerald >The Black Arms needing to eat humans to survive >King Shadow being evil >Rouge getting frustrated with Shadow's seriousness >Rouge being a lesbian for Topaz>Tangle and Whisper being lesbians >Zooey being a lesbian for Cosmo >Surge being a lesbian for Amy>Sally being a lesbian for Nicole>Amy having super strength >Amy being the leader of the restoration >Charmy brain damage >Jet acting like Daffy Duck >Bean being a lunatic >Bark NEVER speaking instead of just being quiet >"Abraham Tower" >Chaos Control can't teleport>Chaos spear as a literal arrow instead of an energy blast
>>575574674The Miles Electric & the Tarot Cards are not the cause for whatever problems Tails or Amy may have writing-wise.Tails likes tech stuff. Amy likes mystic stuff. That's always been part of their characters. Tails having a handheld device and Amy using the cards she's had since her debut, are not at all problems. Tails not being a playable character, or Amy not expressing her love for Sonic the same way she used to, are entirely separate issues from the device or the cards.
>>575574018Thank you!
>>575574104 Lost World Amy happened before Boom.Also Boom Amy sucks.Amy is supposed to be bubbly and spunky, not act like some white guy in his 30s' girlfriend.
>>575574272Literally check the archives. Amyfags brought it up all the time and Anti-Amyfags bullied them for it because Amy isnt allowed to be seen ad anything but the pink bitch you bully for not getting to be with Sonic.Reverse search pic related.>>575574547Genuine. Im just actually pissed off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vomC5SHkaOU
>>575575169I’m not seeing a whole lot of evidence with your pic. I’m seeing seven posts.
Nigger!
>>575575226I like seeing some pro IDW guys sometimes making own media
>>575575510I honestly wish we got more IDW fan content just to see more of their perspective. Out of all the fan groups they seem to be the most easily shamed into not backing their comic. Compare them to how Satamfags used to be
>>575574674It's literally not correlated. Movie-Tails has it and no one complains. He still fights and gets in the action just fine.What it actually is is Sonicfans being weird retards and needing to point at something as a symbol for their ire.Its the same as people complaining about Sonic's shitty friends because they didnt like fucking Fishing in SA1.
>>575574849You forgot people saying "Oh my chaos" and "Sweet Gaia below"
>>575576243Having Game-Tails become an IPad baby is a pretty good symbol though.Unleashed would have been better off without Tails all things considered.
>>575575471How far are you going back? Did shit just get wiped? 3 - 4 years ago we literally had nonstop threads filled with that shit.Ask Slashy of you dont believe me.
>>575576543NTA, Tails and Amy may feel like holdovers from the Adventure 3 version, but I'd say Amy (and Knuckles!) was still more useless in Lost World and Tails was uncharacteristically turbo-useless in Forces.
>>575576490honestly hate this brand of world building even though its harmless. Its just "lets change things so that its not like the real life thing for no reas" why in the fuck would Chaos or Dark Gaia be teh replacement for the abrahemic god???
Post incest
>>575573853This is just a poor man's Bark
>>575576812I am doing nothing but searching the picture and I’m pulling up seven posts as a result. It goes as far back to 2021.The archive itself goes back to 2019 as far as I can tell.Nothing seems to be deleted.
>>575576543Sonic fans are literally just proving Shadow correct. This mentality is the same one that gets humanity to crucify him in the future. Always needs a symbol for their ire and the scapegoat.No wonder he dislikes humanity. Humanity sucks.
>>575573853I like the design but this is just Bark. Maybe the artist should get rid of the ponytail. Also he wouldn’t be nervous of Rouge, he shot at her just for suggesting he was nice to Chao in that official comic.
>>575576865Exactly. Its annoying. Its people just trying to copy TFS Abridged. But in TFS it actually made sense since Kami was in fact literal god.Chaos was just called a god of destruction by the Echidnas because of the disaster he caused. He isnt a real god and people dont even know about him.Gaia was an obscure creature no one but Eggman and Pickle knew about.
>>575577325Don’t call me a SonicfanI hate this franchise
>>575577160Read the threads associated with em then. Search the image rather than the file specificallyIm not making this up
>>575577532Go back >>>/co/
>>575577882This is literally your fault
>>575577754I'm still not seeing much. Anything prior to the release of Frontiers at least.The most I've seen talking about the cards is like 15 posts in a thread.
>>575577629If the stories are post Adventure or Unleashed, there's a pretty good chance they know what those beings are now. Rather than copy someone else's idea, its a rational thing to do with an IP that doesn't want to really show any proper religion even in a place that totally isn't earth. Making up diety to worship can lead even vaguely down a path that looks familiar to kenny penny worldbuilding. Ultimately neither of us can prove it, so its moot.
>>575577629Based>>575578396The problem with trying to insert them as "God" is that Chaos isn't god. He's a god and barely one at that. It is very clear that he's just an extremely powerful monster and not some fucking creator god. It would be like people started saying "Oh my Loch Ness Monster"
>>575576868Shadow isn't related to Silver.
Dumb question but why is Forces so fucking overbearing on IDW? Its always about the restoration this and Eggman's reign that. It makes sense until you think about literally every other fucking Sonic game that had a world ending crisis. You don't see the characters droning on and on about the black arms invasion or the shattered earth crisis that made everyone depressed. In fact nobody ever mentions these
>>575578653Because SEGA saw the script and decided on a fundamental level that the comic can never escape that.
>>575578483>He's a god and barely one at thatThat's all you need, a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It may be cringy, but its more grounding than making up a pantheon of gods where one isn't needed.
>>575578507Then why does Shadow have white fluff? Denialists can't handle the truth
>>575573971Most likely, the godzilla writter is new in the Sonic series and was probably forced to follow SOA's ideas about the series
>>575578653Because Sega wants to make a Forces 2 where they actually commit to the bit.
>>575579269thematic reasons, silver is anti-shadow
>>575560142I see you :)
>>575573979i am seeing a switch that now having girls just wrangle the boys is the misogynistic approach, what those people don't get is that all of this happens because female characters are forced to be some kind of role model type in the way male characters aren't, at least in the west.
>>575573971cards were since CD
>>575579269Lots of people have fluff. Shadow and Silver's fluff isn't even the same.
>>575579840You can turn a shovel into a killing weapon too.Point is that things can be repurposed for the worst.
>>575579896Not all of them are hedhehogs>>575579616Then Silver should have black fluff
>>575579974it looks bad, and the thematic inversion is him being ''light'' as opposed to dark, which having black fluff wouldn't serve.
shadow and silver being related is "mobius" but for 2000sfagsI won't elaborate
>Legend Comp 7 with Monster Truck starter right after TMNT FestivalWHAT THE FUCK ARE WE DOING MAN, FUCK OFF
>>575578043Im not your boogeyman
>>575579974Shadow was sealed away 200 years before Silver was born.
>>575578296We talked about it all the time back when IDW was still wrapping up thr Metal Virus arc. Then we favored when Trial By Fire came out and used em.People argued about Amy being magic.
>>575580260i just think people want silver to have an origin point because a telekinetic hedgehog just randomly existing feels off to them.the other half is he is used to validate shadouge/shadamy/sonamy depending on what they think he comes from
Chronicles gave Shadow psychokinesis for no reason at all
>>575580491If everyone has a monster truck nobody will get hit so what's the big deal?
>>575578396>there's a pretty good chance they know what those beings are now.Yeah as kaiju monsters. They wouldn't talk about them the way people talk about God.It'd be like if someone started talking about Black Doom like he is biblical Satan and said " The Black Doom is in the details" or "youre gonna burn in Black Comet".Characters in the universe already say Jesus Christ and Oh My God. No it isn't rational because the use of the term isnt contextually the same.Chaos and Gaia are closer to Leviathan and something.
>>575575226Yeah, the new Amy is cool, I guess..but old Amy's more in touch with her feminine side, so I like her more! There's nothing more natural than a girl who likes a nice, strongwilled boy! This is something girls should lookup to as well! They should have a rolemodel who is unashamedly a girl who has a strong will in her own right, and knows and pursues what she wants! As a whole, Amy is not as changed as some other female characters in recent media, so I hold out hope that a blend of old and new that satisfies everyone can happen someday!This has been Zooey "tradfugrl15" the fox, signing out!
>>575578653Because Archiefags. Its literally that. Archiecucks complained about the characters bouncing back from the Metal Virus just fine so now we have to agknowledge it constantly instead of moving on.
>>575579172No its dumb. Just dont even use the terms then. There is no ressonnto other than to open this discourse to begin with.
Demons are canon therefore God is canon, and so is eternal hell in the Sonic universe
>>575580995>a telekinetic hedgehog just randomly existing feels off to them.Not mentioning half the roster randomly existing, having telekinesis is symbolic with being futuristic since many in medias about the future do so
>>575576490This is only in fanmade shit, right?>>575578653Apparently Ian's fault because he wanted the Restoration to be his knockoff Freedom Fighter figures.
>>575581376Now post an example of God (capitalized) and Christ mentioned in a non-meme, post brand unity setting. It is not contextually the same true, but it will still work as an in universe substitute.
>>575581818other members of the cast aren't ''special'' silver is a sonic mirror that can randomly do the same thing as them.for sonic himself this doesn't matter since the mystery is the point but shadow has a backstory that plays the sonic mirror part with his themes. why silver exists is esoteric.
>>575578653>>575581927Forces had a group called The Resistence and The Restoration is the follow up to that. It's the least forced Archie thing Ian could have done. Sega started it
>>575581748I guess you can consider God canon, but I always saw the Japanese rolling Abhramic faith into their eastern mythos and treating it as a subset of entities instead the highest part of the echelon
>>575581582Not trying to sound harsh but Archie fans seem to struggle with anime tropes so we need every character reacting to shit forever
wow i wonder why an archiefag writer would be so obsessed with the whole concept of a freedom fighter resistance and not let it go gee i wonder
>>575579729>i am seeing a switch that now having girls just wrangle the boys is the misogynistic approachIts not a switch. Its the paradox of pop feminism. The actual OG feminists eould be facepalming over hoe hard mother fuckers missed the point.Feminist media analysis was about deconstructing the limited rigid and shallow roles women had in media. Not demonizing implementations, functions or portrayals for merely being used or existing.The reality is its just people using the label of being progressive to push their misogynistic bias of choice.There is no "misogynistic tropes" or "mysoginistic archetypes". It's not even about being a role model really. It's just about being the person's preferd barbie doll while virtue signaling.The actual truth is Amy's original character is seen as bad because she acts too girly and western society hates femininity and sees it as weak ans frivilous.This is why Amy has to "be mature" because it makes it feel like Amy has more "agency" relative to the boys.That's all this is.
>>575582569I thought he wasn't writing the comic anymore
>>575582569Because sonic fights for freedom?
Sonurge just makes sense.
>>575580260Nah, you right
>>575582660i think it got more to do with the one-sided love joke(i know its not actually one sided, but whatever) landing well. there was also le based tomboy meme in 00s too but still there were amy archetypes received better due to the gag not really being a factor in anime and such.i say there's a switch because people complain about wave, blaze, rouge etc. mostly wrangling boys even outside amy. though desu the best thing to do is just ignoring any bad faith criticism to enact your vision.
Momma foxa.
>>575580995Silver's psychic powers are supposed to be mysterious. I.e. Sonic Team only wants to explain him in Nakamura's Silver game that will never get made.
>>575580260>it isn't canon>ok but i made all these stupid fucking rationalizations so i will act like it is
>>575580995>i just think people want silver to have an origin point because a telekinetic hedgehog just randomly existing feels off to them.You're giving them to much credit. Its more that people get autistic about everything needing a meme origin and needing everything to be connected in some way because schizophrenia.
>>575581748Mephiles is half of a god, A god.
Mephiles and Sally would make a perfect couple prove me wrong
>>575584078Riders Paramount+ spinoff let's goooo
>>575583815>>575583635they don't speculate about tails or amy's or even knuckles's family tree this much, i genuinely think it's about him being a hedgehog with super forms and weird powers and shit. personally i don't think sonic himself or most other characters need an origin but silver does because of what he is.i think nakamura can make a silver game if silver sells in movies.
>>575583852A false prophet. There is only one God and the rest are trying to deceive humanity
>>575584078Can movie Sonic outgrow his parents already? The last movie was set in 2024. If the next movie does the equivalent timeskip hes going to be a damn adult already
>>575584209If they get an adequately good voice for this nagging bitch, I may never go soft again.
>>575584209Movie Jet, HERE WE COME!!!>>575584247Could we please stop posting they're Twitter and Bluesky posts. Most like this aren't even Sonic related.
Andrew tate is getting raped by mobian gorillas in prison and i hope the shitskin stays there forever *dances*
>>575582039Both are in Sonic Heroes and Sonic Battle respectively.Amy says it in thr former and Sonic in thr latter.Sonic mentions Hell in Secret Rings.https://youtu.be/rN8fHxQk8f8
if it wasn't for sonic's positive influence i would eat human flesh
>>575582412They complained about "no consequences" and it being "unrealistic"
>>575584779Does that mean I made someone kill himself after posting that online?
Manga
>>575583549>i think it got more to do with the one-sided love joke(i know its not actually one sided, but whatever) landing wellIf it was just that, they would just stop at her crush but they dont. Her personality has to be gutted as well. Her voice cant be cutesy and high pitched because "thats cringe and annoying. Girls dont act like that irl" (yes some do?!?!)The complains about the other girls is just the perception of all thr girls being "support" for a guy character.
Nu-Sonamy is diet Silvaze
>>575528109I don't understand what she's supposed to be doing here. Is she summoning something?
>>575584256Because Tails already has thr "he's an orphan from Westside Sonic adopts" and Amy has thr "she is a girl who lived in Station Square.Neither of them have weird super powers. They just have their autismo interests and essentricities. Peoplr autismfag over Sonic needing an origin as well.Knuckles backstory IS his origin.
>>575585116Oh yeah I remember that time Silver was on planet Wisp
>>575585476she's communicating with mothra
>>575585459How so?
>>575528109Can we get an actual Amyfag in here that understands tarot cards so they can explain what she pulled
>>575584256It's because he's a hedgehog AND from the future the future that people speculate that he has to be someone's kid even though his design is different from all the present hedgehogs. That and Trunks/Vegeta.
>>575585268Are you ready for girlboss Movie Amy to somehow wedge herself to be second to Sonic in importance? Female characters can only be role models.
Classic Sonic is not carried by good gameplay. Its was carried by consolefaggotry.Good gameplay alone doesnt carry a series. If the series was just Classic, it would be dead by now.
>>575585759i don't think he's a child of anyone either but i think he should have some kind of origin.the ear picture is also autism though, his ears are like this because its better with his leafhead.
>>575586183>If the series was just Classic, it would be dead by now.Well I do sure hope that Sega shits out more classic then.
>>575586317>because its better with his leafhead.No they're not.
>>575586514Classic is its own spinoff series now according to SEGA, so it will only kill Classic. Sonic in general is doing stronger than ever with Frontiers and the movies.
Hello /sthg/!
>>575586652Any part of this franchise dying is a good thing
>>575585116What is this from?
>>575586317>>575583635
>>575585549Sonic doesn't adopt Tails. Sonic isn't Tails' father
Kino boy!
>>575586805My sketchbook
>>575585827NTA but I'm being wary of Movie Amy being a girlboss with an adult-sounding voice
>>575585549it's kinda weird for knuckles that his entire tribe is wiped out 4000 years ago but he exists somehow. (there could be small number of survivers but i think the wipe is ALL of them) which could invite theoryfaggingi don't think any of the present oriignless characters besides silver need an origin myself. for shadow his backstory and origin exist as a story to explain thematic aspects of his sonic parallelism and adds both to himself and sonic, silver is made for that same purpose but there's not really much emphasis on actual themes to support it besides hedgehog + powerscaling. its no wonder most of the talks around him are either uwuver/auraver posting (uwu femboy vs potentialfag war torn dude) or blazefags having cuckold anxiety when hes on screen. the character isnt really even discussed or analyzed besides these topics outside of select few people.
>>575587245Welp there you go, someone assumed your work is canon, now you're the best drawfag here
Tails is the best!
>>575587407>it's kinda weird for knuckles that his entire tribe is wiped out 4000 years ago but he exists somehowNo it isn't. You just cant read. It was never stated that they all died. It was stated most of em did and what remained became the guardians. Then they died out until he was the last one
>>575587572That kind of dynamic between Sonic and Amy is only seen in Sonic Prime and Prime was out of character
>>575585729NTA but i am guessinghes referring to immature emotional boy with le mature wrangler girl trope
>>575585827Except they arent being rolemodels because they dont make good role models.Game Amy actually was inspirational and a role model. She encouraged girls and hell just people to be more proactive and emotionally open about ehat you want and feel.Being a strong beatstick by itself doesnt make a role model.
>>575587973forgot to claim nta so i deleted. prime is ooc but its symbolic of what nu-sonic is.
>>575587010Shipping is a mental illness.
>>575588056I hate that trope so much. It's insulting to male characters and is a product of feminism. I'm watching out in case it's in Movie 4
>>575588079Correct. Female characters are only perceived as good role models in movies if they are girlbosses. At least for Hollywood. We can no longer have dumpster fire women who never learn their lesson like Lien-Da and Fiona because....we just can't okay???
>>575588736This isn't about shipping>>575588730Cute!
i don't remember if it was directly stated in tikal flashbacks but ye i suppose thats the logical assumption https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K30xVEdmXM
>>575588756its okay for silver blaze duo itself since it was a purposeful reversal in their case though it gets flanderized too much in western media or fanarts.
>>575586317Silver's ears aren't made for his leafhead. He had them in earlier designs.
Drawfag here, I hate niggers
Tails!!!
>>575588878Thanks tailsbro!
>>575585459Kinda
>>575528109>>575585747Not an Amyfag but according to the "Amy Rose: Fortune Card Deck">Monstrum Machina -> Emperor>Ace of Water -> Ace of Cups (speculation but Cups is often associated with Water)>Hero -> Strength>When the Ace of Cups, Strength, and The Emperor appear together, they present a compelling message about the integration of emotional openness, inner power, and authoritative structure in your life.>This trio of cards emphasizes the importance of balancing emotional expression with personal strength and external authority.>The Ace of Cups invites you to embrace your emotions and creative potential, suggesting that by opening your heart, you can find deeper connections and fulfillment. Strength calls for resilience and compassion, urging you to harness your inner courage while overcoming challenges. Meanwhile, The Emperor brings the energy of stability and structure, reminding you to create a solid foundation from which to express your emotions and personal power effectively. Together, they call for a harmonious blend of feelings, strength, and leadership, suggesting that true authority comes when we lead from the heart, grounded in compassion and self-discipline.
>>575589337Nooooooooooooooooo>>575589259Yay
>>575589458Three successes and a flop.
>>575589458I'd love to see what's in store for Silver
(:
>Shadow and Rouge have the same skin tone>Silver's skin is slightly lighterdisqualified
>>575589635He's very cute
>>575589781Yeah!!!
uh oh
>>575589078I still would really hate it if Sonic and Amy's dynamic in Movie 4 has Sonic being a low-IQ incompetent simp who gets belittled and mocked by a physically strong, mature, and level-headed Amy
>>575589829Run Tails!>>575589819c:
>>575589491Rouge is riding someone elses success
Snow-Tails!The arm looks huge lol
>>575585747First card is the Monstrum MachinaSecond is the WaterThird is the Hero card.All 3 are up-right in the Hero Position.Card 1: Find a balance between what you think and what you know to be right and that things will work out.Card 2: Emphasizes relationships, dreams and making sense of emCard 3: The strength you need is inside you! Be brave, and forge ahead with your decisions and goals.Given this was made in relation to Amy saying she feels like Mothra is a friend, it is likely communicating she is correct. I expect it to show Mothra becoming friendly with Amy, but there might be some other thing going on with her thats making her spazz out and they are gonna end up helping her.
>>575589078Are you still reading takarazuka? There is no role reversal between them.
>>575589925yeah, sonic and amy are not that trope and shouldn't be,sonamy was liked for their original dynamic. but i don't think the trope itself is auto bad. like every trope, it works situationally.
>>575590136i didn't mean gender reversal necessarily, moreso the situation is reversed with blaze guiding or inspiring silver, whereas it's not really like that for hedgehog + girl duos.
>>575589975Cute lol
>>575590041Wow
>>575590373:D
>>575590336<33333
>>575589458>>575589534It's a merch collectionhttps://www.amazon.com/sonicthehedgehog
>>575590597^-^
>>575590771I'm so bored, nothing happened this year
Pedofaggot is spamming and talking to himself again
>>575589534More drip
>>575591004Indeed \:CrossWorlds feels like a waste
>>575591216Best we can hope for is a CGI teaser for something next year :P
>>575588878>This isn't about shippingLies
>>575591198I wouldn't wear this in public but it's a cool design and I wish it were on a poster
>>575591465I don't like the CG no gameplay reveals. For Shadow Generations they showed some, maybe they'll do that again>>575591575Sonic and Tails are friends, Tails follows Sonic around because he wants to, Sonic didn't adopt him
I hate fanon Tails with his stupid blue shoes and woodland stripes
>>575591575Sonic isn't Tails' father figure. They're partners
>>575588910The guides and bios say that the remaining ones made it their duty to guard the emerald to prevent another disaster from happening.
Cutie boys
>>575591708>>575591674I never said he was his father figure, yet you assumed I did because you read into it as a threat to your ship.
>>575592043You said he adopted Tails which he didn't do
>>575591903Boys are the best>>575592043said Tails is an orphan that Sonic adopts. Tails is not established to be an orphan anymore than Sonic is, and Sonic isn't portrayed as adopting him
Violet was the last person who actually cared about Surge and not Duofags shitty tsundere version
*You said
>>575592482Violet is a tranny so I'll side with Duo here.
Partners!
>>575592813Best partners!
>>575592598She is correct. Duofag just turns Surge into a tsundere
https://www.tumblr.com/sonichedgeblog/823396495149678592/the-introductory-cutscene-from-segasonic-theHow did Eggman build something that could outrun Sonic?
>she
>>575590136>>575590321Though i find it interesting regardless if it was intentional or not, the fanbase does blaze as a masc girl and silver as a feminine boy. i thought feminizing silver was exclusive to westerners but i saw japanese or eastern fanartists doing it a lot, even outside of ship context.
>>575592873Yesssss
>>575593107Beautiful friendship
>he
Who the fuck is Violet
>>575591216I still remember when Jenhen drew these two filling some diapera together with shit
>>575593452A deranged tranny that used to be an attention whore in this place.
>>575592286its true that westerners sibling or family code shit too much. but why anyone actually cares about it is either defending or invalidating a ship.
>>575594654Plot twist, cream goes to jail.
Vectilla fucking sucks
Anal with Honey with a double sided dildo
>>575592286>>575592336No i was talking about narratives around the characters. Not making declarative statements.Learn to follow a convo. I said jack shit about Sonic being his dad. Shipping is mental illness.
>>575591645You are weak and wont survive the winter
Im too busy playing Fortnite to draw sonic characters fucking each other, sorry
>>575595201What you described isn't the narrative around Tails' character. Tails is inspired by Sonic and start following him, Sonic lets him follow him, and they become friends. There are no orphans or adoptions in this story.
>knows how to draw>draws porn
>Doesn't know how to draw>draws rape porn
>>575595201Tails' narrative with Sonic doesn't involve any themes of adoption or found families or anything of the sort
>>575595432Anon, the convo was about hoe fans see the characters in relatin to origin fagging.
>>575595549Cringe and faggotpilled>>575595730Based and rapepilled
>>575595740We need to bring back swirlies. Youre arguing something that wasnt being argued.People who get autistic about everything being an origin will tell themsleves that narrative. That was the point. It was never about asserting what Tails' story IS.
>>575594654Rouge is taller than Shadow
>>575582332>It's the least forced Archie thing Ian could have done. Sega started it
>>575594654Why was Cream jailed?
In >>575584256 it's said:>they don't speculate about tails or amy's or even knuckles's family tree this muchThen you >>575585549 say:>Because Tails already has thr "he's an orphan from Westside Sonic adopts"Which is incorrect. What you said in your reply is incorrect. And I called you out on iy
>based cringe cringe based XDDDD11!!1
>>575591465What about Sonic the Movie 4?Seems like hype dies the second they stop pumping media coverage for it. Almost like the second it isn't forcing itself in the cultural zeitgeist with a bloated marketing budget, it loses any attention it garnerd cause it doesn't have any merit on it's own.
>>575596029Dude why are you acting like a stereotypical jock about SonicBoth of you dumbasses would get dipped into the bowl if your reality existed
>>575596769>What about Sonic the Movie 4?The movie we have received zero significant news about since 2024?
We dont talk much about the SCU and how it's fucked after Shadow
>>575594654Silvazebros Are we vanilla?
>>575597173Silver will die a virgin because he's pure.
>>575596984Yeah, exactly.
>>575597256That's bad, characters need to get deep into depravity
>>575590771>no Lost World
>>575597173ppl used to joke about pegging when it comes to them
>>575597421Yeah Lost World is cool but they preferred representing Twinkle Park which is also great
>>575555019Not only is that kid doing a Sonic.exe cosplay but that's the Shadow model used in the most popular roblox exe game. I'm genuinely filled with red hot rage at the fact that Sonic.exe will outlive us all
>last 4 images on booru are whiteboards>8 out of last 10 images on booru are whiteboardsGrimWe no longer produce art for the sake of it
>>575597730>>575597730>>575597730
>>575597771Don't make early threads
The writer for the Sonic X Godzilla IDW comic liked one of my tweets about Amy!
>>575596937>stereotypical jockBro when he hears the wors swirly once. Youre being obnoxious because youre prioritizing feeling like youre smart for correcting something over engaging in good faith.Its annoying nerd behavior nobody enjoys.
>>575598971You were wrong and got BTFO'd, move on.
>>575599127I did not state what you claimed i did.
>>575560402Amy mogs her anyway.
