Red Redemption EditionPrevious thread: >>576524843>Latest News/UpdatesDarktide:Skitarii Alpha Primus has arrived:https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/skitarii-alpha-primus-is-coming-to-warhammer-40-000-darktide/121730Patch 1.12.0 patch notes:https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/free-update-patch-1-12-0-out-now-skitarii-later-today/122573Kuli's guides for beginners:https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210Vermintide 2:Weapon balance update! Patch 6.11.0 patch notes:https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/weapon-balance-update-patch-6-11-0-patch-notes/121528>Acknowledged but barely discussed :Left4DeadDeep Rock GalacticKilling FloorPaydayEarth Defense ForceWWZThe Outlast TrialsBarotraumaNo More Room in Hell 2Remnant 2and others>Future gamesDen Of Wolves - TBADarkSwarm - TBABlight: Survival - TBADeep Dish Dungeon - TBA>Build planners:Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
>>576680832I wish we had that hat
SAAR DO NOT REDEEM!!!!!!
how is this build for learning veteran? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1f5588d-e981-47ea-8fa8-3ba8bc672a1b/havoc-40-chadmy main characters are melee psyker and btl crusher arby, so looking for something ranged with gold tough
>>576681594Even on smokes, you should still be taking grenade tinkerer and demolition team
>>576681762not my build I just stole it. i like the idea of weapons specialist since so used to melee, but fine swapping around. what would you req for vet? prefer to stick to las gun if possible
SOMEONE CALL FOR A BOOM?
>>576681960No other requirements really apart from grenade buffing and regen. Weapon's specialist is a questionable pick on recon las because it doesn't benefit at all from the crit chance, but this looks like you want to spend more time in melee anyway, so it's fine for that. Personally I'd swap revive on shout node for one of the two grenade nodes.
Listen here, space marines cannot be enemies in Darktide. It's just impossible, okay? They're on a completely different level.>but normal humans can kill space marines on the tabletopDoesn't count>but normal humans can kill space marines in RPGs like Dark HeresyIt doesn't count>humans can kill space marines in video gamesThose OBVIOUSLY do not count>but what about humans killing space marines in the loreIt does not count, what are you, stupid? Space marines CANNOT BE KILLED
NIGGER SHUT THE FUCK UP THE GENERAL IS DEAD IT'S OVER THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO DIS-FUCKING-CUSS ANYMORE IT 'S OVER IT'S SO OVER MAN THEY'R EOGN NA TAKE US OUT BACK AND FORCE US TO /vm/ I DON'T WANNA GO I DON'T WANNA GO I DON'T WANNA GO HELP HELP HELP HELP
Ok I'm doing an electric staff + greatsword psyker and it's really fun. I don't know if it's worse or better than flame tho. The scream is feels more useful than bubble desu For reference this is the build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff2a0e7-4008-4f0d-a00c-25b16773c9e0/electro-shriek-big-damage-psykers-squishy-just-delete-everything
I haven't played Darktide since before the first new character was released, I remember Psyker's flying knife shit being really good and fun, is it still a viable setup? I see there's a build system now, no idea how it works
>>576683502No one is saying that space marines cannot be killed or cannot be enemies in the game. Spess mureens are just the cut-off point where things get too powerful to be playable in the game.In fact, I would welcome a plague marine monstrosity. It would be like a plague ogryn wearing full-body carapace armor like the crusher while shooting at your team with what amounts to the grenadier gauntlet and exuding a permanent tox bomber gas aura. Fun times all around.
>>576685094Should do a Blightlord Terminator just to make it fucking hilarious. Full body carapace with a conversion field like the twins, fuckstick power scythe, and a combi plague spewer so you have both fuckass bolter hits and tox flame.
Where is the Judy poster
>>576685094That retard is bored and feels like beating up strawmen let him do his thing
I’m addicting to collecting vinyl records I just got the Darktide soundtrack on it send help
>>576686504That's sick how much did you pay for it
UP IN DA CLUB!
>>576685094>Spess mureens are just the cut-off point where things get too powerful to be playable in the game.Is it not that space marines are the sole focal point of the board game/lore now and that it's nice to have a franchise that gives light to other aspects of the universe? I'm not a 40k player but this is what I've gathered from the games' communities.
>>576685094Please do not treat shitposts seriously
>>576686504It could be worse, you could be addicted to buying and painting armies.
>>576686586About 50 bucks altogether. It’s so easy to just keep buying them. The quality is so good and the design of the records and their casings are usually pretty cool and it came with some neat artwork. Hard to stop.
>>576686881How expensive does that get? These things reach into the hundreds of dollars pretty quickly because scalpers are quick to snatch up limited edition/low stock stuff.
True Grit?More like True Shit!
>>576687189Oops meant for >>576686994
so how was your weekend
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
Deadshot?More like Deadshit!
Poppoo? Peepeeedoodoo!
why does darktide include a soundtrack
>>576681594>"havoc 40 build">completely fucking random curio perks without any rhyme or reason>recon las without cleave>not simply using laspistol instead in that case>retarded weapons specialist meme>no carapace on the power sword>no description to even attempt to justify these HIGHLY retarded choicesThis nigger was carried. This build makes no sense.A noob should never use a havoc build. Havoc builds are, as a rule of thumb, built for entirely different purposes than are needed to do well in auric. For starters, smokes have no place in auric because shooters are no threat. Ironically, this build is going to perform much better in auric than in havoc because it sucks ass and is retarded.A noob should also never, ever, ever, I swear, seriously, DO FUCKING NOT, follow builds from tardslantern UNLESS that build has a verbose description. And then you don't follow the build anyway. You read the description to understand why certain choices were made, to inform your own opinion. Then you take or discard things based on your own judgment. Gameslantern is full of the most retarded individuals imaginable, updoots are just a content creatoid popularity contest and not a measure of what's good, and this game's general population wouldn't know a good build even if it corpse dragged them to a W with double the cumulative score of the other retards.That being said, conceptually, yes, recon las is a good gun to learn vet with. It's easy and reliable and works excellently in auric. Don't take a crit perk in auric tho, flak will do you better. You can alternatively take all the brittleness/rending and put carapace on it. THIS IS RETARDED, but so are your teammates, so you might not ever want to engage in melee when they shoot poxbursters in your face, or save your krak grenades for bosses because your team would wipe if you don't. Yes, kraks. Smokes have no place outside of havoc.
>>576683502It's funny watching anti-marinefags flailing around just for being told "No."
Dukane?More like Doodookane!
The Greater Good?More like the GRATER POO!
>playing darktide>wonder how people don't understand crusher patrols, but have some sympathy that it's not like most maps give you any room to avoid them anyway>going back to vermintide 2>there are people who don't understand chaos warrior/stormvermin patrols even there
Am I missing something about the Arbi's maul+shield combo? It doesn't feel any more particularly useful over the solo maul (which feels amazing). "But it's a shield! You block with it!" Thanks, yeah, I know that, but aside from a 0.5s stagger it can do, what else? Is there some level of autism I'm missing that'll unlock its True Potential™?
>>576681594You don't need a build to "learn" a classBuild is a very typical veteran build (because there are no veteran builds, every veteran build is the same 27 talents and you get to play with like 3 remaining points) except for retarded curios and whatever comes after desperado in the right side of the tree (you are supposed to go for skirmisher, who the fuck takes onslaught)
Darktide?More like Dooktide!
>>576696918That stagger is hugeNo, it can't do anything else, you sacrifice skullcrusher for thatEver heard of tradeoffs?
>>576696918It lets you block overheads for one.
>>576697254>tradeoffsI don't know what those are. Everything I use should be able to do everything, always.
>>576696918>Is there some level of autism I'm missing that'll unlock its True Potential™?Find out what your "special" keybind is, press it in the face of a crusher or shotgunner patrol, and be amazed.Also use the basic mark. The combo is heavy -> light -> repeat, or light -> heavy -> repeat. Push followups are also decent replacement for the horizontal shield heavy. You are supposed to use the overhead single target combo against armored targets for the most part.
>>576696918did you try pressing the special button?
>>576696918You're immune to gunners, you're immune to melee attacks, you literally cannot be killed by anything short of a poxburster while being capable of killing everything that shows up from relative safety. All this on top of your insane toughness generation.
>>576697828>>576698273I've used it a few times while leveling Arbi but it very clearly shines the higher you go. I know this is a very "Magos Obvious" comment, but yeah, staggering six crushers at once is pretty handy. Fed a shitload of greens to the grinder and put Opportunist and High Voltage on it and no shit, it feels a lot better.>>576698641Do you use Forceful with the shield? I feel like Forceful is the clear obvious choice in a vast majority of use-cases for the insane QOL it gives.
I hate BTL shitters because they disperse hordes and flip them around denying weakspot hits, but shield special is alright, it doesn't do that, it simply stuns enemies, and doesn't cost an ability.
>>576699201>while leveling Arbi but it very clearly shines the higher you goLeveling arbitrator also runs into the issue of having NO FUCKING DAMAGE NODES WHAT RETARD DESIGNED THIS SKILL TREE, and the shield being a mediocre damage output weapon, it suffers the most from not having access to all the damage until you're level 20 or something.>Do you use Forceful with the shield?One should use Forceful in virtually every build outside of havoc, because the stun immunity and toughness generation together let you just force objectives and tank through any harassing poxers that your retards will never take care of. If that isn't a compelling argument, consider that Forceful's cleave also works on your shotgun (unlike the push cleave above it) which then starts erasing entire hallways.I still use the shield in h40 with EO, but there it's more for utility and control, and less so for damage. The damage is still there, but it's unimpressive.I wouldn't recommend cooldown maxed BTL/AV with the shield, because that is a damage build, and the shield isn't great at abusing that.
>>576699506Bruh you have your overpowered weapons and a dog, why would you need damage when leveling?You can go all the way to damnation without ever swapping away from your overpowered shotgun
>>576699649>why would you need damage when leveling?I need melee damage nodes to not feel completely fucking miserable when using my melee weapons, is all.Arbitrator is piss easy because you have all the toughness generation in the world up top so you're invincible right out the gate if you just go a bit top heavy until you have enough points to take Forceful, but that doesn't mean it's fun. The shotgun is fun, but using ONLY EVER the shotgun and nothing else, fucking sucks.I've leveled two arbitrators now and the atrocious melee damage early on always pissed me off. I'd much rather move some damage up, and some defensive nodes down so the power curve isn't so stupidly skewed toward level 20+.
>>576699785Instead of damage talents arbitrator gets inflated numbers on his weapons so it's not a problem.And like I said, you should be using ranged when leveling anyway.
>>576699785it do be like that
>>576699985>And like I said, you should be using ranged when leveling anyway.Do you have autism?I did that, twice. It wasn't fun. I explained it.
>>576700037Stop leveling characters twice
>>576699985why are you like this?
>>576696667VT2 patrols are a fucking million times more dangerous than darktide patrols. If you pull a patrol of 10 CWs you are just going to wipe 90% of the time.
>>576700096I needed the melkbux because I'm cursed to have the worst gambling luck. It cost me over 500k melkbux to max my health curios on zealot, and one of them didn't even come from that cunt either.
>>576696667one should never be afraid of stormvermin patrols. If your team quails at the sight of a bunch of stormvermin, you're in a for bad time. Chaos patrols are a maybe on cataclysm, but a stormvermin patrol should be soundly thrashed if it dares stand in your way
>>576700129>*pulls out deepwood staff and disables half of them in 2 seconds*heh... nothin personnel... kid...
>ban psykers>ban point blank barrage>ban taunt>ban booka havoc worth playing
>>576700597>allow GG ogryns that actually deal as much damage as PBB rumbler ogryns>allow retardedly broken scum AIDS gun>get carried by the smoke/shout vet
>Play in a full party of Skitarii>All voicelines are, in fact, NOT turned into binharic with the actual lines being shown in the subtitlesThe Swede strikes once again
>>576700597>i want to be carried but i don't want it to be obviousSo you play arbitrator right?
>>576700597>Ban psykersKill yourself retarded scum
>>576701002>play skitty in a party with no other skitties>no veteran>no ogryn>blend my way through enemies>hear praise about ogryn and veteran getting kill streaks
>>576700597Why wouldn't you allow scriers psykers? The melee build is based and ethical.
>>576701002>Expecting sovl from Fatshart
>>576701002Aren't the skitarius voice lines way less personalised in general? From what I recall mine has been giving everyone the same praise line where he just generically calls them "unblessed one" or "precursor"
Why is there literally nothing on Zealot that has to do with fire except for the grenade? You'd think that would be one of his specs since he is the only one with access to the flamer.
>>576701765Yes.
>>576701765While that is no doubt laziness on Fatsharks part, looking down on biologicals and lumping them all together is also on-brand for Admech so it's hard to fault them for it.
>>576700812ngl it's been so long i've played with shout since i've only ever been playing exec stance and just shitting all over the game and one tapping everything everything short of maulers, crushers and bosses. helbore is very comfy>>576701048I actually like playing zealot and instantly diving into gunners the moment i see them and killing them instantly. it's peak darktide and a million of times better than being a >>576701079mald smyker>>576701525i actually would but hardly anyone ever actually players proper DD psyker and it's always some cheeshy like bleed fgs spam or electrokinetic surge spam that's frankly just purgatus in how much it trivializes the gameeven then i wouldn't call it ethical, you do as much damage as hivescum while being immuned to ranged. a more ethical psyker would probably be ep brainburst with kinetic resonance
>>576701765The dev time probably went into the voice modulation feature, so they forgot they had to write out some interesting dialogue. It's that, or the more classes they make, the harder it's going to be to map out all the possible interactions and record unique lines for, so we just get generic lines from now on.
>>576701961...I suppose if anyone would sound robotic and repetitive it'd be the literal robots and machines built for repetition. Duh.
>>576702120Never reply to me with that phrase again.
>>576702015than being a cuckbookbot* whoops
>>576701048Raped his ass
>>576700597I use all kinds of mods, but this shit shouldn't be allowed.
>>576702015>carried by a 4 million damage psyker until he crashed near the finale>rudely finished the mission without himlmao
>>576699506Alright, thanks. It's helped a lot. Once I finally hit 30 (so close) and I stop hurting myself with penance farming, I'll try to put together something that rolls Auric Maelstroms. One day I'll play Havoc, but finding a team in OCE is fucking impossible. Aussie moment.
>>576702350Whipped that nigger
>>576702356Just play on HK, it should be the lowest latency region that actually gets players. The language barrier will suck, but the players aren't terrible.
>>576702015>mad smykerUseless fucking parasite kek
>>576702490Molested that child
>>576702015>even then i wouldn't call it ethical, you do as much damage as hivescum while being immuned to ranged.Immune is a slight exaggeration. It certainly helps, but your "immunity" isn't certain enough that you can slide up to a stack of reapers, start swinging, and have a guarantee that you're not about to die in half a second. Hive scum is stronger at deterministic dodging, and its damage is stronger into elites whereas psyker is more horde focused.
>>576702080>the more classes they make, the harder it's going to be to map out all the possible interactions and record unique lines forIt's this. Basic concept in networking - the amount of possible links between nodes grows at a faster rate than the amount of nodes. We have how many classes and personalities now? 20? It's gotten to the point where they'd need to record an insane amount of lines to have unique conversations between everyone.
Breaking new: Cacarat found dead in his mansion this morning.
>>576702980Another reason why having established characters like in Vermintide was just completely superior.
>>576703158The butler did it
>>576702350that was an actual trio we did since we couldn't find anyone since EU partyfinder had nothing but psykers. i was surprised how easy it went but i guess that's what happens if you play with people who don't need hard crutches and have actual gamesense beyond spamming yellow tougness and infinite cleave xd>>576702490cope>>576702682not really, if you spec into focusing on weapons with crit along with stuff like using prescience and putting a crit perk/blessings you can very consistently get crits often. fgs with shred&ripotse can literally allow you to just get in the face of reapers with impunity or going heavy laspistol or recon lets you crit fish endlessly at 50%
>>576703187more like the BUTTler!
>>576703302AH A GHOST
>>576702980And honestly I'm surprised they didn't recycle some of the lines. Having the ogryn call the skitarius "spark head" or "plate face" would make perfect sense, but as far as I can tell it's always "metal legs".
>>576702980Each voice only has unique interactions with 2 other personalities (3 if the VA did another voice at the same time)
GRRRRR DIE YOU FUCKING RAT!GONNA!TAKE THIS! AND THAT!RWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
>>576702682and even then perilious combustion exists which is just a pocket purgatus which is always free with little investment so really it's hard to find an ethical psyker in pubs anyhow. you have to go out of your way to be ethical which in like 99% of the psykers on PF will never ever happen. it's better to ban them all outright
>>576703550And that's probably BECAUSE doing unique convos between everyone would require shitloads of effort.
Arby shield should have skullcrusher.
>>576703858You don't know how perilous combustion or soulblaze work if you think it's even good in the first place on non-shriek/purgatus builds. It is actual dogshit.
>muh ethicsIs this a FUCKING CONTACT ZOO WITH NURGLITES or horde shooter?What the fuck are you talking about?
>>576702980Also this "networking" thing has another big issue. Cost.More personalities they make, more voice actors they need. Which costs more and more. But it is only going to keep rising if they keep adding in new personalities and then try to make meaningful conversations between characters.Everytime they come up with some new dialogue they need to get in touch with the voice actors, give all of them the scripts, record all of it, which costs money.And more personalities that get added organizing all of this shit gets more and more complicated and harder to do. Which will also incur some sort of cost in-directly. It's the age old saying "Time is money", so meaning time they have to waste trying to remember who are X Y Z actors for the A B C dialogue, more money they are losing due to basic employment costs.
how do you not get satan raped by chaos spawns in space marine 2
>>576680832>Things that need drastic nerfsCombat bladePurgatus staffTransonic bladeArbites shockmaul>Things that were already nerfed but needs more nerfsDueling swordShivsPlasmagunRumbler>Things that need buffsCrowbarChain SwordsCrusherEviscerators>Things that were already buffed but need moreShovelsHeavy SwordShockmaulThunderhammers>Things that need to be reworked entirelyDclaws - 90% of its value is in its specialChain Axes - The latch-on effect is absolutely retarded and not worth itIf you disagree, then keep your garbage opinions in heresy you absolute scrub.
>>576703643You cannot kill him in a way that matters.
>>576705158you dont
>>576705235Pretty decent bait but it's too obvious you're transgender in real life because of the picture you used.
>>576704278>pack of ragers come>I dump my asail and it kills about 2 ragers>one tap a rager with the fgs>the rest of the pack is at 9 stacks and falls over and daisychains to the armored patrol behind to being at max>they all die before i could even kill 2 maulers with meleehow is this bad>>576704278we dont want the game to look like thishttps://youtu.be/HQHc7CMR7ic?si=1ouNiG9nVjoR7VUZ
>>576705235>>Things that were already buffed but need moreAll of ogryn weapons, both melee and ranged, except pickaxes, rumbler and GG.It's honestly impressive how bad ogryn's arsenal over all is.
>>576705235You should also tell the class you want the enemy count in a horde shooter dropped so you can duel them one by one.
oops wrong guyit's supposed to this >>576705038
>>576705431>https://youtu.be/HQHc7CMR7ic?si=1ouNiG9nVjoR7VUZwhat kind of nonhuman nigger plays the game like this?
>>576705609this is what happens when you don't ban psykers from your team
>>576705235Kill yourself, opinionated, attention seeking tranny freak
>>576705839>no you don't understand>i NEED TO have a complete dogshit tranny UI for myself because there's a psyker on the team
>>576705235I agree, but add the flamer to the rework list
>>576704278Most retarded take ever posted award
>>576705609>>576705431>3 million cheats>premade in voice>unironically cheesing and abusing animations>STILL struggling despite all of the above>STILL hasn't made it to 40 despite all of the aboveJesus Christ how horrifying.
>>576705609>Those UI mods>Mod to show what elites and how many of them are on the field(?)>Those graphics settings (no doubt to maximize performance and visibility)Is this what actual autism looks like?
>>576705431>how is this badBecause it doesn't work like that and doesn't do that. You're anonymous, anon, you don't need to pretend. Stop acting Indid.
>>576705235imo i think the crowbar is fine where it is. it's already a very versatile weapon desu just a lame moveset. i dont think the crusher doesn't need buffs since skullcrusher is so fucking busted and synergizes with arbitie's concussive, skullcrusher in general just needs a rework/nerf with how much it just shits all over the game. it's complete night and day on zealot than arbities>>576706417man i wish it didn't work like that this game would be so much better
>>576705609My eyes hurt after watching this, I demand reparations!
>>576706417Kill yourself
Are on-hit debuffs applied before or after the damage of the hit? For instance, if I have Thunderous on my thunder hammer, is the brittleness applied before the damage of the hit, essentially benefiting that first hit as well, or is the damage applied first and therefore the first hit does not benefit from the brittleness?
>>576706728After
>>576706728Pretty sure on-hit debuffs apply after.
>>576705993notice how there's always a psyker in these sorts of videos anon-kun (noticing)
>>576706236what's wrong, anon? are you afraid of peak performance? clearly you should go back to heresy if you have a problem with this gameplay
>>576705158You don’t that get game was made with rape in mind>>576705235What is this image
>>576707002>meta slave faggot who is playing havoc, the meta slave gamemode, has a team that uses the meta slave class>hOw COuLd tHiS bE?You're not very bright are you?
Most H40 players don't mod their games like this right? My entire respect for them is built on the assumption that they don't.
>>576708358but in my based and redpilled havoc parties the moment we ban psykers (and various other things) suddenly the game isn't dogshit anymore and god forbid.... fun? (noticing)
>>576708594This general is extremely bad at darktide and will use any coping mechanism they can to somehow soothe the sheer obliteration their ego suffered when they couldn't get True Survivor, not because they went down, but because they got stuck before even hitting 28, and that's a fact.But no, not most of them, just many of the retards that record their runs because they think it's a big deal (which they do because they're bad, which is the reason they need 6 gorillion cheats)
>>576708594I play with 0 mods. Sometimes I enable creature spawner to test specific things. If I am to use a UI mod, it would be to remove things from the default UI, not add anything. I've already disabled a few things from the options menu like loot notifications, mission objectives, and subtitles.
>>576705609i assume he's doing it ironically? Like a joke, right?
>>576708981>I've already disabled a few things from the options menu like >objectivesAre you every single teammate I get in auric?
>>576709315Kek. I have everything memorized. Been playing this game way too long.
>>576702672>>576702415>>576702232what causes this
>>576709505Fetal alcohol syndrome or surplus melanin
>>576709505Witnessing someone getting their clock cleaned
>>576709723sorry typo I put an L too many
>>576709505It's generational humor. We're the old men, Ace.
>>576709780Clock ceaned
>>576709505They grew up playing League of Legends.
>>576708794This never happened.
*blocks ur path*
>>576709241he's had the same UI for 8 months and the ones before that don't look much better
>>576711106Some days feel like this
>>576711106Is that the new Longshank class coming out in december?
>>576711106we got a probleme here m8?
>>576711230>when you're 8 years old and try on your dad's work uniform
>>576711106>>576711434Someone post the midget one
>havoc 31 going really slow but we are making steady progress nonetheless>Havoc Forged Skitarii suddenly has a psychotic episode and rushes ahead of everyone, triggers dhost ritual and dies>This snowballs into a paniced frenzy were everyone dies trying to push through to the ritualWhat the fuck was his problem?
>>576712102Skitty got the zoomies
>>576712102>>havoc 31>this late into a wipe>accepting someone proudly displaying that he cannot attain True SurvivorGee, I wonder what his problem was.
>>576712102his chat said "you won't hit that clip" and he said "bet"
>>576712102cyberpsychosis
>>576712102>This snowballs into a paniced frenzy were everyone dies trying to push through to the ritualI hate this so much it's unrealI can't beat havoc 30 because of this shit. To the point where me and another sane teammate slowly progress through the map with other 2 shitters dead, but it all ends when rescue is in sight and he starts blindly rushing towards it, aggroes the entire map and dies
>>576705609
>>576715748poor doggerino hope it's ok now or alive btw, pic is oldish
>>576716921it dieded
So 0 good builds with the M1 garand...
>>576718487like fucking imagine if it was like the Huntsman's Longbow
>>576718487i like semi-auto rifle designs, expecially interwar-early II WW period weaps but fuck i hate the garand, it's booooring
>>576719249everything lacks punch from the sounds to the dmg
>>576719334>tfw the arc rifle, which fires electrical energy instead of a physical projectile, has more impact to its hits than the galvanic rifle
>>576719334i "hate", dislike the ubiquitous-ness of grand-derived designs in videogaming, there are a lot of cuter semi-auto rifles shapes out there. the in-game rifle is a-ok in my opinion
>>576718487it's good by default as a specialist killermain issue is that phosphor pistol is basically a straight upgrade
>>576719784Oh yeah? Name 10 cuter semi-auto rifle shapes.
Why is Catrinne's quarter hidden behind Lohner's stall?What is he doing to that girl?
>>576719334This but with the ogryn single stubbers, they are practically 20mm cannons but they sound like they have a fucking suppressor that fires 5.56, for some retard reason.
>>576700227https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/1026?tab=descriptionThe future is now, old man
>>576718487you can swap out the revolver for it on any melee build that runs revolver as a casual backup and it will probably work.
>>576719334>>576723191i think it's just so they can let the sound engine have a break. If everything was given powerful sounds you couldn't hear anything in the game at all so they have to hit a middle point.
>>576725896>i think it's just so they can let the sound engine have a breakIf this was true the idiots at the studio would do this shit for all guns.Real reason is that they are stupid and made a stupid decision.
I keep getting error code 2004 but my internet speed is listed as high for upload and download and ping is low when I test it. Is it a router thing? I am retarded please forgive
>>576725045Yes, I am using this. Guess what class never shows up with a 21% health curio. I'm still trying to collect my second set, and I think I am still at exactly three 21%ers.
>>576727656>I keep getting error code 2004This is normal, fatshark's servers are utter dogshit. The only caveat is that it may be regional. Central Europe server quality has been fluctuating hard as of recently, with complete chat service crashes.
there is something cozy about playing John Guardsman in this
>>576703367or metal feet for the heavy ogryn, but subtitled metal legs for some reason
>>576727973You were using a braced autogun earlier
>>576725896>If everything was given powerful sounds you couldn't hear anything in the game at allData is data, a fat waveform (loud sound) doesn't fundamentally differ from a slim waveform (quiet sound), and in fact, the shape of that waveform doesn't matter. The "power" of a sound matters a lot less than its duration. If several long duration sounds play, the audio queue quickly gets fully populated while the 5-second-long whoosh sound after firing your bullet continues playing. Powerful sounds can be plenty short. You can replace your recon lasgun sound with the bolter's sound firing at the speed of a minigun, and the game's performance would be entirely untouched. But you may go deaf.
>>576727973That's a Kasrkin though
>>576727973I've been dabbling in veteran lately too, and I'm actually pretty surprised at how good the semi-auto variant of the vigilant autogun is. Slap surgical and deadly accurate on that thing and you'll be doming everything that doesn't have carapace armor on its head in one shot, without having to charge the shot like you do with the helbore.
>>576727973>only 1 leg armoredI fucking hate how commonly they do this. Just make it symmetrical.And while at it, add the fucking hellgun to the game already. It's really fucking dumb they make a kasrkin, a cadian stormtrooper, and we don't have access to a fucking hellgun/hotshot lasgun.
>>576728241i know it's not about performance, it's about your guns not drowning out the specials spawning and other sound queues high level gameplay relies on
Been away from Darktide for a few months, what is the best way of leveling now? I heard that quickplay turned into a hellscape with the release of Skitarii, is this still the case?
>>576728974Yeah you just said it in a really retarded way.The scatarii rifle unfortunately really is just a piece of shit sound-wise, and making it louder wouldn't necessarily drown out other noises. The boltgun works fine, and that never drowned out the trapper spawn noise. Also while your justification makes logical sense, it doesn't when applied to fatshark, who has had precisely zero success in fixing the godawful audio bugs that have persistently plagued the game for several years now.
I have a confession to makeI can't carry on Vet, it's too hard
>>576728975do the hardest difficulty of content you can complete without failing quickplay always been shit so it doesnt matter
>>576729334that's ok, it's a stupid class anyway
>>576729334You can, if not for the director insisting on assfucking you because it's decided you had enough fun (you opened fire for more than one second)
we all know the shopclick class stereotypes, but what about the ratclick ones? i've noticed huntsman krubers at level 35 tend to be really good. griggers (grail knights) tend to be dogshitironbreakers are GODS. outcast engineers are either great or utter shitters
Add a 2 or 3 extra skill points for all classes. Make them into a prestige thing.
>>576730491>griggers (grail knights)no one says thisironbreakers are extremely handheld by the class, its like saying arbitrators are GODS because they dont go down because its just how the class works
>>576728889>And while at it, add the fucking hellgun to the game already.oh fuck imagine, the giga backpack, fire rate of the recon las, more powerful, 0 reloading just one big magazine
Melee ogryn desperately needs some buffs.
>>576731106Not even close to as much as Zealot needs it.
>>576730491Until someone gives me quantitative and qualitative data on these sorts of stereotypings I will always think of them the musings of fools.
>>576731084Would be actually fun and unique.They could add a heat as a mechanic too, and have blessings surrounding it.Like say as the heat rises you get more cleave or something
>>576731239Both need it badly.
>the only class exclusive ranged weapon on the ranged weapon class is the helboreI would laugh if it wasnt so sad
>>576731879We'll get the hellgun and melta for vet in september. Trust the plan.
>>576730960>no one says thisof course not, i made it uparbies die a lot more often than ironbreakers. i also just like ironbreakers, they're cool
>>576723191I can't find it now but in their (very weak) defence there was a video posted at the time of someone firing some big rifle on a range and it was the exact sound that we have in game, although I agree it's somewhat anaemic.
>>576731879but scum doesn't have the helbore
>>576731879The helbore is exactly as good as its user, which says a lot about you claiming it's bad.
>>576734028>The helbore is exactly as good as its userAs good as the mods you use*Ftfy
>>576734028>which says a lot about you claiming it's bad.nice reading comprehension nigger
>>576731106>>576731239This but Veteran
>>576734028
>>576731879It is really fucking sad isnt it, the fact that there's no hot-shot las with a power pack, or a meltagun, or just anything unique at all (especially now that skitty can take the plasma gun) is pathetic
>>576734761Kek
For whatever reason Darktide just won't boot for me at the moment. I press Play, the title goes green and says "Running", but the launcher doesn't actually come up so I can't click Play the second time. Verifying files now, but this has never happened to me before.
>>576731879It could be worse. Your only class exclusive ranged weapon could be the flamer, as is the case with Zealot.
>>576685094>No one is saying that space marines cannot be killed or cannot be enemies in the game.576571832
what the fuck did i quickjoin in the last rounds
Karnak-Twins is a fucking death sentence on uprising lmao, Never have I seen randoms eat so much shit
>>576738865Hold on, why are you on uprising?
>>576738956Can't join higher difficulties on my Skitarii yet. It's having me go trough all the difficulties again, even if I did this the last time I played
>>576734761>>576731253Kek
>>576736910check your task manager for a bunch of "NGX Updater" tasks and force close them all while attempting to launch the game
>>576736910Questionable character
>>576736910is he a guy that rapes children or is he a child that rapes
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Lurazius>This guy joins your game
>>576742463well that's impossible since he doesn't play Darktide
>>576742463https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198215029475>this ???? joins your game
>>576744028>Q: Where are you from?>:simplepinkheart: A: I’m from Germany!
THE LEX IS THE LEX
>>576745430what did he mean by this
>>576745430probably based on this latin adage: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dura_lex,_sed_lex
>>576745518
>>576681594You don't need a build to learn a character. You should learn as you play with the dude, and his weapons and find out which ones you like, and which ones you don't. THEN look for a build with the weapons you like to play with them more and more effectivly.As Vet, your priority is to be shooty, and occasionally whip out a melee.Here's a cheat of what worked for me.>Melee: Normal Mark Chainsword>Ranged: Columbus Autogun (the one that pisses bullets)The chainsword will deal with your chaff on m1 mashing, and if a rager or an armored bastard comes your way, rev it up, and give it to 'em. The Gun, despite being a bullet pisser, you want to control burst against shooters and meaningful targets, and mag dump into hordes and monsters to take 'em down (find a damage needle for monsters. Though celerity stims can imrpove fire-rate too, for the pissiest of bullets).Ability Should be upgraded marksman and use it to highlight and shoot any ranged enemies. Blitz can be shredder to dealing with hordes if they're too much, or if you're fine with dealing with hordes on melee/ranged, krak is safest. Aim for Chrushers and Bulwarks, but if it's finale, tossing it into a horde with right click still kills some of 'em too.
>>576745430>get a kill streak>[arbitrator praise] from teammate>THE LEX IS THE LEX!>press cheer button>THE LEX IS THE LEX!I fucking love this stupid pig and his obsession with saying that phrase, I giggle every time I can get him to say it twice.
>>576746661>As Vet, your priority is to be shooty, and occasionally whip out a melee.This undersells the importance of melee, and the ability to deal with armor in ways that aren't just krak grenade.You need to be able to melee good, and your melee weapon needs to be good, and should ideally be able to deal with armor well.The chain sword unfortunately isn't that. It's also quite bad, on a class already bad at melee. Use a good weapon if you don't want to suffer.
>>576734761>Want to do Krieg>Have to use the shitty LasgunGod it's like I'm either using the heavy version that takes 10 days to charge meaningfully, or the light version where I can do stuff, but everyone's got killier builds.
Almost done with Malice on my Skitarii now, and I really like how the it's talent tree is ordered, feels really flexible. I haven't played for months, and these games have been my first time playing with Hive-scum. Would I be correct to assume that all of the worst Zealot players migrated to them? They sure seems to fill the same niche of retardation
>>576746971Anon wants to learn, not get some magic uber build. I'm giving him basics. Like if he were playing Heresy or Lower.
>>576748074No, the good zealots migrated to scum. The bad zealots averaged 5 deaths per mission on scum and stopped playing the class to go back to having 9 wounds and filling them by going down.
>>576748179I see, I just noticed that the ones I played with all had the same ZOOM-ZOOM mentality where they sprint around dying to random shit, but somehow also managing to vacuum up all the ammo, and ignoring all the specialist. But I guess every class have that type of player, these are just the ones that I notice most often due to my prejudice of these *Speedy* classes always attracting the Solo-MLG players, with zero team-sense But I did hear something about good Scum players being neigh unkillable on top of just plowing trough hordes and specialist's alike
Found mission-breaking exploit lads
>>576748567Good scum kill literally everything including havoc 40 hordes all on their own, it just takes some kiting, which it's the best at doing out of all classes. The class very fairly scales almost directly with your mastery of the game, an extremely good player is basically invincible just from from the crazy dodges.
>>576746971>>576748167If he want's to learn wouldn't it be a good idea to recommend him the standard supportive mid-line Veteran? Plasma-gun Shout Grenade-spam and upgraded Ammo/med boxes should allow him to keep most retards going. Or did they change how Veteran builds works now? I noticed when I logged in today that I had like 11 points or something available for my talents
>>576748692Finally, a place the vet can shoot uninterrupted from
>>576748692this will change the meta
>>576748805Yeah that all still works, but I'd argue a better retard build is recon las with all the brittleness/rending, and carapace + unyielding perks. Lets you shoot your way through literally everything as long as you have ammo, and is strong enough to be pretty good in auric, even with suboptimal strategy of shooting crushers. Just give that build a good melee weapon.
>come back on the EU server for ONE GAME>regular auric>french flame staff bubble psyker true survivor has a tantrum in chat because a poxburster exploded on him :(
>>576748805I would say it depends if he actually has a good aim from playing other fps. If he's cracked at one tapping in CS for example, i would say he could just start by focusing on sniping specials/elites playstyle
>>576749090Psyssies with 0 health curios eating shit to bursters is my favorite
FOR AWTOWMAH
>>576749090this is why they should reset the true survivor title, only shitters show it because they think people will take them seriously while they were just carried retard or got it when Havoc was basically Malice
>>576751483>when Havoc was basically MaliceI remember the weeks of Puncture remote det and bugged dog bleed kek
>>576751483Please no, it was a complete pain in the ass to get the first time around. I don't want to go through that hell again ;_;
>>576748567Scum do not need ammo packs whatsoever because they have a perk that basically gives them a permanent baseline of 20% of their ammo pool
>>576751781For me it was holding an autoclicker for the entire mission on bully club ogryn at his peak.
>>576754178Rumbler was stronger back then, and is even stronger now.
>>576754360Nah...
They really need to rework the middle section of arby's skilltree. The dog "keystones" are just horrendeusly bad.Like what retard looked at unleashed brutality and go get em and thought to themselves that either of them were at all comparable to LW?Also LW is a stupid as fuck from a design perspective and should have never been included.>lets make a pet a class>but lets add in a node that gets rid of the 1 actually unique thing about the classLike no. This is retarded.It's like if ogryn's skilltree had 1 skill that was "shrink ogryn character model and hitbox by 50%", it's stupid and entirely against the whole class identity.
>>576755680>talent that turns ogryn into dawiHoly shit I want that
>>576755680Dog at launch was good enough that it was up for debate whether you take him or not.Then they accidentally made his bleed do 1-2 million damage a mission by itself.In response to this, they gutted his bleed to the point where even dog build users consider it a dead node.Arbites is going to keep suffering for having been the first DLC class and it will never stop. I fully expect him to be considered the worst class in the game after yet another 4 rejects rework.
>>576756028I don't, it's stupid.Just make a fucking squat class instead.
>>576756398Arby is a DLC class so they can't make it complete dogshit.Also them reworking arby and his skilltree and his dog isn't off the table since fatshark reworked Scum's tree like 2 different times.1st was shuffling some skills around because people got filtered hard, and then we had a 2nd one in like February where they entirely overhauled the skilltree into what it is today.So an arby rework is not off the table.
>>576756683the only change they've felt the need to give him in like a year was a nerf to shock frisbees
>>576757039And more they power creep the game they will buff him because people will notice him lagging behind.Hell, people already even now here notice that arby lags behind most of the classes and arguably adds nothing any team comp. Eventually reddit, youtube and even the official forum will notice it too, we are just ahead of curve here.
They should nerf arby into dogshit and then stop charging for him
Remove ammo penalty from autoguns and lasguns in havoc
Does Darktide feel less responsive to anyone else? I swear my abilities aren't casting when I want them to and sometimes I'm not switching weapons when I press the button. I've been having a bitch of a time casting chordclaw single target especially since you need to hold it down. It's really been fucking me up.
>>576762747Uuh anon, your cheats?
>>576755680I for one enjoy going lone wolf with my infinite impact grenades from time to time. And there should be an option for those that don't want to necessarily use the dog.
>>576757731I've seen a couple of videos saying Arby is the worst class. It sucks because he's my favorite. But I don't really bother with Havoc much so it don't matter to me.>>576762938What cheats? I don't play modded, anon.
>>576763218That's what I mean, you should be cheatingThe game is literally unplayable without cheatshttps://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/336
>>576757731Only good things arbitards can do is the same thing as ogryn except worse, that is to say, shit out skullcrusher and stagger everything, except ogryn also has a fucking taunt and the best gun in the game
>>576705235huh
>>576762747It might be a problem with your controller or keyboard. Do you play other games?
>>576765406K+M, and ya I play other stuff. All my keys are fully responsive.
>this supposedly is a manifestation of a sickness on the very spirit of the world>when it's very clearly just a goat manKerillian yapping about beastmen is really funny when you think about it. You would think a primordial manifestation of chaos would look more... gribbly, mutated, etc
>>576768550I mean in lore they can be. But for sake of models and shit, Goatmen/Centaurs/Pan clones are the way to go.Just look at Morgur from Warhammer
>>576768550Meanwhile the King of the Wood Elves is running around like this
>>576763559>the best gun in the gameLast I checked Ogryns can't carry the Arc Rifle
>>576769332At least he isn't Raping everything.
>>576771252True, just murdering everything. The constant roving murder party of the Wild Hunt.
>>576771648Frankly better to die than get bad end'd by a Beastmen herd.
>>576771252beastman rape definitely hasn't been mentioned in like 30 years
>>576773642I mean that's part of their whole spiel. Fuck humanity, burn it to the ground, smear shit, and do all the rape and pillage for the dark gods.
>>576773642>beastman rape definitely hasn't been mentioned in like 30 yearsTrue, but that's because rape is an obstacle to marketability.
>>576774671Finally, someone that agrees with the sensible answer. It's not some bs like "da joos" or "da libtards", it's post-#metoo and corpos being scared of doing ANYTHING to offend ANYONE, for risk that their bottom line won't be as fat.
I swapped from Ogryn to Vet and I do almost no damage, I guess people still want me for shout and ammo aura but it feels kinda shit
>>576774813I mean they stopped mentioning it well before metoo. GW just doesn't like doing anything that might slightly offend little Timmy's mom. That's why the guard are also almost never mentioned doing the kinds of things the UN 'peacekeepers' do, even though functionally that's a common role of theirs. Guard would be raping women all over
>beastman raperemember finding out how darkspawn from dragon age get madeI 'memberI wish I could stop 'membering
>>576775216So where does that leave Slaanesh? She's more or less the sex god. Even if it's more "80s Excess" technically.
>>576775459they make the daemonettes look like men, gave all of the daemons tits on only one side of their body instead of both to really dial up the herm factor, and then made sure that one breast is covered up
>>576775459slaanesh has been 'god of excess/perfection/gluttony' for a long time now. very little sex appeal. to be fair, there were always elements of this, but he/she was always varied compared to the other gods
what do i do when my team just keeps walking forward nonstop while the backline enemies keep shooting at us? isn't the correct thing to kill some of the elites/specials then? am i doing something wrong?
>>576777621You run ahead of them so they all die or take the hint
>>576777548So basically "She's the sex god in pop culture because of horny table top nerds that can't get pussy"?
>>576777986yesgw can't really help the perception, and warhammer fans are obsessed with reheating decade+ old 'comedy' and 1d4chan jokes
>>576778242You shit on it but 1d6chan helped me understand warhammer stuff through comedy when I was getting interested after playing Vermintide 2 for the first time. Still a fun read on the shitter.
>>576745430FOR THE LEGS
>>576778242at the same time 1d4 and 1d6 have done more for the fanbase than any youtuber. Shit still has the only good army summaries going through every unit and being honesty about what they do well and poorly. Also it's kind of magical that you can go into any game store anywhere, show up to play 40k, and we're all making similar jokes
>>576727973Look at me. I am the veteran now
>>576769332How did we go from this to Mel Gibson?
>blight spreads>party finderhow can anyone stand havoc
>>576780014>Goggles on helmet that already has protection visorHuh?
>>576779782and like I said; fun read on the shitter with your phone.
>>576777548>>576778242Slaanesh has sex baked into it as a concept, at least partially. Slaanesh is a god of sensation and wants its followers to chase ever greater experiences. That includes things like food, sex, artistic experiences, etc. You can dilute the sex by actually bothering to focus on the other aspects of excess and sensation that Slaanesh would logically be about, but you can't take it out.
>>576781395and again; before the 2010s, it was a scene of sweaty, sexless nerds.
Vermintide>warp gas chokes rats making them do a funny animation>warp fire incinerates rats>rating gunners blow through waves of ratsDarktide>pox gas makes zombie's eyes glow>fire does absolutely nothing>gunners... do nothing? I don't remember despite playing 600 hoursWhy doesn't Darktide have as much sovl?
>>576781468Times changed.
>>576781468ratling gunners didn't do all THAT much but you'e right on the other two counts. I have seen reapers absolutely mulch poxxies but it happens rarely. Snipers will blow a fucking row of groaners in half however. >warp fire incinerates ratsthey REALLY need to give flamers friendly fire damage. I understand not jacking it on the bomber nades but the flamers desperately need it
>>576781468At the time James had written fantasy off and let video game devs do their thing40kek is serious business and if you so much as depict las shots wrong you are excommunicated forever
>>576783340Frankly in nerd media, you do ANYTHING wrong, and a bunch of people will seethe and moan, either side.>NOOOO WHERE'S THE SPACE MARINES?!>WAAAAAH I WANNA FIGHT A PLAGUE MARINE>WHY CAN'T I JACK OFF TO THE VIDEO GAME?! REEEEEEEEE
why is this general so whiny and hostile? I have over a thousand hours in darktide and I haven't had anyone complain about my choice of weapon/talents for being too braindead or OP. you guys make it seem like people actually give a shit about what other people play in a co-op game. at this point someone reading this thread would probably think that it's a PvP game
>>576783521>>WAAAAAH I WANNA FIGHT A PLAGUE MARINEThat would be cool, thoughbeit.
>>576783709this is tame compared to most generals
>>576783709Because the hype on Skitty getting into Darktide is done now, and now we're waiting for more content. So it's eitther>Talk Shop>Talk Lore>Be a negative jagoff
>>576783785I mean it would be, but my point is; people bitch WAAAY to much, and over anything that gives them an excuse to bitch.
>>576781276It really is
>>576783709Only havoctrannies give a fuck. The issue is that havoctrannies are the most vocal since they spend all day posting here while waiting for their discord sisters to hop on for some havoc.
>>576783340>depict las shots wrongThis is an unforgivable crime to be fair
The zealots don't want you to know this, but a power sword melee vet is still one of the strongest melee in the game.
>>576785528Yeah *activates sword* it's *activates sword* so fun! *activates sword* To us- *activates sword* e that is *activates sword* very *activates sword* easy and *activates sword* intuitive *activates sword* nothing *activates sword* needs to *activates sword* be change- *activates sword* d about *activates sword* it *activates sword* at all. *activates sword* Let me *activates sword* guess *activates sword* You ne- *activates sword* ed more *activates sword* ?
>>576786364my macro is one button though?
>>576786473hehe
>>576786473>just cheat bwo
>>576781468Snipers can kill their allies sometimes.
>>576787950Of all the times I've punished trappers; this is the most satisfying thing to ever see.
[SAD NEWS]MR E viewership is collapsing
>>576788442No one cares. His suicide won't even make local news
>>576788442Stop updating us on eceleb drama please
>>576788442Dude, I know things are slow, but man, I don't watch the guy, no decent person here really cares.
>>576788442mr. estrogen is nothing without tranner
>>576786364I wonder why the activation is a separate thing instead of being an attack all by itself like literally every other melee weapon special attack. It would make power weapons so much more fluid to use if you'd just swing the damn thing right after you power it up with no need for further inputs.
>>576788442He fucked up so hard even Fatshark burned him. If he were to die, I don't think even his local news channel would care. He desperately wants to be "the guy" for dorktide, but he's insufferable.
>>576680832Why did you edit out helldivers 2 and space marine 2 from the OP?
>>576789653Swedish malice
>>576789685sm2 has a general in /vm/ and helldivers has it's own general. It's not edited out, each has their own thread for people to post in
>>576788442Is this guy your Alexensual over here?
>>576787950I wish there was a higher chance of stuff like this happening. It was always entertaining in ratclick to see a ratling gun take out a stormvermin or the gas rat's globes killing regular enemies.
NMRiH 2 1.0 in THREE days, /coopg/!
>>576790037Tox flamers and scab flamers do roast their own if they happen to be in the line of fire. The only enemy ability that doesn't hurt enemies (and actually buffs them) is the tox gas, which makes sense since these are nurglites we are talking about.Oh, and I guess gunners do not (generally?) hurt allies.
>>576789778But they're cooperative games thougheverbeit....and it's nice when we get visitors. :(
>>576789685We'll just put it back in next thread, don't let anon cause drama
>>576790152I need>cute faces and cosmetics worth participating in their stupid fucking daily/weekly player metrics scheme for>confirmation that while the baseball meta is dead, the fireaxe meta now rises
>>576790575Always some bullshit with these autists. I still remember someone trying to make /coopg/darktide general.
yall wanna play coop DOOM?
>>576789685because they're the only ones that dare to tell darktide players that their game is bad/copeg/ prefers completely dead competition
man, after playing skitarii, going back to vet is just sad. are all the other base game classes this limited? you have fuckall points to actually spend, and shout is so good that you'd be insane not to take it.
>>576790456I mean this with as much love as I can, they have their own threads. It's a good thing that both games have their own threads even if it isn't on /vg/. Look at this thread, it's really darktide general with the occasional discussion about something else. Having people that care enough to create a thread is a great thing. Wanting others to show up in this mistake is a bad thing.
>>576789832who
>>576790773Maybe?
>>576790821They have their own threads, but that is no reason to exclude the games from the OP list for when those threads go down and their anons need a place to regroup. You don't mean this out of love, you are simply being autistic.
>>576790821But... but they are coop games! You play them cooperatively with other people! THEY ARE COOP GAMES, ANON! THEY ARE COOP GAMES!
>>576790928okay, hop onhttps://dos.zone/mp/?lobby=doom2
>>576790946No I understand this site more than you do and your understanding of English probably sucks. The best this thread could do is link to /hdg/ and the sm2 thread on /vm/ and that isn't a bad idea. However, different threads move at different speeds so linking to them can lead to dead links which no one really wants or cares to do>>576791387ctrl + f and the site search function work just fine jackass.
>>576791852Or we could just do what we have been doing and list the games in the OP, and answer any questions when their anons show up. You are the guy who throws a spastic fit when the round peg goes into the square hole just fine.
the OP has never mattered because it doesn't say "darktide general" on iteveryone just skims over it because they already know it's a lieyou haven't updated that future games section in like two yearsalien fireteam elite 2 comes out at the end of the month and it's not even on there
>>576792356Probably because no one's heard of it. Mention it at the end of the thread and we'll throw it in.
>>576792473*raises paw* it WAS mentioned last thread
>>576792473it's been mentioned multiple times across multiple threads
>>576792562>>576792663Throwaway mentions here and there, no real discussion, has anyone even posted gameplay worth discussing? Linked dev logs? You know engage in the usual shillery that makes the usual schizos freak out that someone is out to get them.I'm looking at it now, seems fun, but I question how fun it'll be playing as a ranged guy in a game full of melee enemies.
man who cares
i care
It don't matt'a. Nun'dis matt'as.
>>576793140You know what? You're NOT the best I've ever seen.
whoever took DRG out didn't even bother to get rid of the build planner
...i did tell you guys to bake before i did... just saying...
>>576793278It's not out, it's second on the list, and for some reason L4D was moved up, the 6 was removed EDF and the 3 from Killing Floor. Just seems like a bunch of arbitrary changes.
>>576793314You have one job as a baker, update the news, the previous thread, the edition, copy everything else and pick a nominally funny but preferably related image.
you guys wanna play KF1?>>576790928you hurt me.
>>576783340>depict las shots wrongSo much 40k media has depicted them as thin red beams that people (including myself) reject GW now pivoting to lasguns shooting yellow bolts.
>>576774813It can be both
>>576778916>>576779782Based>>576792562You don’t have a paw
>>576787950>>576788421That’s actually really cool. I guess they did put some detail worth caring about.
>>576783340didn’t they still interject over something to do with Saltzpyre? though it’s still a minor thing compared to anything 40k of coure. i wonder if they’d behave any differently post-OW and the recent success of TW>>576783709just some performatively grumpy people who’ve been here a while. they’re everywhere on this site.
>>576748567it's not a choice the scum goes fast whether you like it or not. the player is just along for the ride.
>>576793839apparently it's because they want to establish a normalfag-friendly visual identity for their whole TV show project. normalfags are too stupid to visually parse a laser shot, they need energy boolits flying around like in star wars
>>576796578>normalfags are too stupid to visually parse a laser shotWhat does that even mean?
>>576796578My issue is that yellow bolts (and their associated muzzle flash) makes them almost functionally guns.At that point, why not just use guns?
>>576797278It’s even worse because unlike the majority of sci fi 40k does actually still use metal projectile firing guns and not lasers near exclusively
>>576797278GW can't trademark regular guns.
>>576797260The vast majority of people are not highly educated or even curious about how things work, they don't care that they're not, and don't need to be.
>>576801225Sometime I feel like the whole world became the third world.
>>576801361There certainly are more of them in my country and on the internet
>>576801225What is there to parse? It's a big line coming out of a gun
>>576801992It's more confusing than an object that goes from point A to B
>>576802124Lasers are featured in plenty of normie fiction
>>576801992NTA but you do lose some communication about which way the shot is going and where it's coming from, which has to be made up via effort on both the artists' and viewers' parts to communicate and parse that in the rest of the view.
>>576801225>>576797260>>normalfags are too stupid to visually parse a laser shot>What does that even mean?NTA but I get it. A proper laser beam would just show up as a handful-of-frames straight line flash from A to B with a bit of light scattering around the point of impact, maybe heat glow.Normies definitely can't parse this because other normie fiction has ruined their concept of what lasers are.>>576802201Normie lasers are informed by Star Wars, which goes PEW and shoots cylindrical, slow moving beams. In reality you'd just get some capacitor whine. Laspistol and helbore sound quite nice imo.
>>576802312>In reality you'd just get some capacitor whineThis, laser weaponry doesn't even have to pay you the courtesy of firing a visible beam, the destructive wavelengths are outside the visual range.
>>576802447Correct, but I do think it's important to have visual distinction, so putting fictional laser beams partly in the visible spectrum is fine just for visual clarity's sake.Unfortunately normies need yellow pew pew cylinders.
>>576802559We're used to throwing rocks, so anything that looks like a rock being thrown is visually simpler to process.
>>576802616The main concern with linear flashing type of beams that I can see, is difficulty differentiating between ally and enemy, because such beams, just being flashes of light, have no distinct direction. Might make it difficult to tell whether the scab shooter is firing on my veteran, or the veteran is firing on the scab shooter.
>>576802825The DUNC 2 movie had this problem a bit at the start where you couldn't tell who was firing at who, the lasers looked impressive otherwise
You're being more retarded than the normies you claim to be retarded
>>576802124>>576802247I was going to call you both retarded, but I suppose tv shows nowadays are made to be played on a smartphone 2 rooms away while you scroll reels in the kitchen waiting for your slop to get heated>>576802825Bullets have these problems too, but that hasn't stopped them from being used in media
>play on the EU server, it's full of french retards and slavgroids>play on the NA server, you have 100ms and it's enough to make dodging nets tricky
>>576802312I get your point, but even Star Wars and Dune used continuous "laser" beams, and it worked just fine. This scene is was burned into my mind as a kid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv_vdsguqJsand the end of this scene:https://youtu.be/nuGTymLvEn8?si=vouYBZ26z9Yyzl-4&t=283
>>576801361In some ways that’s disturbingly true. People as a whole have factually gotten dumber.
>>576806052I don't think that's the case. I think it's more that (You) are more frequently exposed to dump people ever since the smartphone boom put all the fucking droolers on the internet.The people you meet in person haven't necessarily gotten dumber either, there's just been a culture shift that has given them retarded values, such as severe entitlement and [political opinion you don't like] due to the overall rise of extremism on every end of the political spectrum.
>>576806696>dump peopledumbApologies, I only just noticed after my coffee. Apparently I'm one of them.
>>576807490it's fine, we have pattern recognition :)
>>576807490>Apparently I'm one of them.No worries, actually dumb people are not capable of self-awareness and retrospective. I would say most Anons are above average despite all.
damn EU havoc is FUCKING DEAD
>>576808231>don't wanna metagame>get declinedsuch is my life
>>576808231Look at the time, people are having lunch you fucking idiot
>>576808231>noon on a saturday when everyone is outside having sex>complains without posting frencode so copers can hop on havoc
Class+build to brute force carry in the "trench" (to at least level 30)? I play martyr zealot but i eat can't really clutch if the rest of the shitters eat shit at the same time.
>>576808518copers are all too competent for my silly havoc 28
>>576808565pbb ogryn obviouslygets harder to get into groups after 30 thoughbefore 30 any ogryn build is a free pass to any grouphttps://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a23d8efd-0755-40a5-80f8-fe59f8ed6205/pbb-ogrynyou might want to take back off but modifiers are pretty much equal in power
>>576808565Also never, ever under any circumstances bring martyrdom to havocIf you want to play havoc as zealot, you must take blazing piety and party wide crit rate modifier. Without it it's not worth bringing a zealot to havoc.
>Kino arena fight in the end of Mercantile>high lvl players prefer to fight in the cuck corner instead of a glorious stand in the middle like giga chadsNiggers, all of you.
>>576808518>when everyone is outside having sexEvidence?
>>576809212I don't understand what's so good about cuck corner anyway, fighting upstairs is better
>>576808565>I play martyr zealotYou are the one who was carried. You don't belong.
>>576808565Fatmangus can force carries pretty well. You have one or another form of answer for basically all of the biggest threats to shitters.
>>576809357Wrong. I deal the most or second damage. I'm willing to swap at higher havocs but i haven't feel the need to yet. I will NOT play shitty chorus build and support undeserving shitters.
The virgin martyrdom sissy having a whole gymnastic to make her build relevant VS The Chad Brutal Momentum Zealot who just press "w" to victory (ALL his damages are boosted)
>>576809510Well there's a reason you can't climb to havoc 30
>>576809527>gymnasticLow hp = higher dps. There is no gymnastic
>>576809397>Fatmangus can force carries pretty well.The conceptual health zealot with purity, chorus and BP crit aura carries pretty well*I believe the listed fatmangus build in tardslantern makes some really retarded weapon choices, like bringing a bolter. I don't recall if it makes retarded skill tree choices. I think it's dumb enough to bring knives over flame nades.I guess it depends on just how retarded your retards are. Knives + bolter is alright if you assume you have to also snipe gunners and specials, but that should never ever be the zealot's role. Dropping a flame nade when a boss spawns erases trash mobs from the equation so you can annihilate it unmolested.>>576809510>damage parse memeThis is why you're stuck in the 30s and not at 40. You can hard carry shitters while being virtually bottom score with good chorus placement and stunlocking entire hordes with crusher spam. The caliber of retard that needs carrying doesn't usually even make it to 30 in the first place, so you shouldn't have trouble finding a decent team.Then again, it's late into a reset, and you're still stuck in the 30s, so I have no hope for you, especially since you've clearly already decided that you have the god build when in reality you're massively underperforming and borderline griefing with your shitty non-build on a meme class that sucks at that role.
>>576809638>nyoooooooo don't put the medcrate here you're nyerfing meeeee!>nyooooooooooo don't him me with the health stimm>Nyoooooo I can't shoot that sniper I'm DODDGIIIIIIIING NYOOOOOOOO T_TYou sound like this.
>>576809805I think it's more of an>AIIEEEEE I'M DOWN FOR THE SIXTH TIME HEEEEELPbecause the archetypal tardtyrdom zealot uses it as a crutch against dying from going down twice every horde lol.
>>576791970Yeah, this is what has happened to me.I've played DRG a bit and have sometimes asked questions about it for help and do get helpful answers.People just need to realize that you cannot force conversation. For example, you can ask questions but you can't force anyone to give you answers or engage with it at all.For example take Firebreak, there was a guy where who did talk about it a bit, nobody shouted him down or told him to fuck off. He just stopped talking because the game wasn't that popular or warrant discussion because most people just weren't interested in the game. And the game was inherently unpopular, it just didn't garner that much traction anyway.And when the SM2 general died on /vg/ recently, the users came here and meshed in just fine. Nobody minded it, the marine players and darktide players just co-existed
>>576809662>Then again, it's late into a reset, and you're still stuck in the 30s, so I have no hope for youRelax, literally started playing Havoc last week. I didn't even know there are wipes like in a fucking assfaggot esport game (what a gay ass mode). I want to get H40 once for a penance and be done with this faggotry.>already decided that you have the god buildI haven't decided shit, that's why asked for something different in the first place. I'm aware that zealot falls off in havoc due to retarded amount of boosted stats enemies have but the players in 20-30 are so bad that i really don't want to bother with supportive builds. I guess i will have to check out pbb Ogryn then.
>>576809527>>576809805>>576809903Martycuck only boosts melee damageBM boost all your damages (knoife, flamer, bleeding, everything)simple as
>>576809527>ALL his damages are boostedALL except the first hit that needs to start the bonus :^)
>>576809662>I guess it depends on just how retarded your retards are. Knives + bolter is alright if you assume you have to also snipe gunners and specials, but that should never ever be the zealot's role.This is literally what this discussion is about. If the goal is to cope with the shitter trench your build should be good at solving as many problems that your teammates cause as it possibly can be.>Dropping a flame nade when a boss spawns erases trash mobs from the equation so you can annihilate it unmolested.That's not super relevant. Relic blade can hold the horde well enough until you have a shot into the back of the boss with stealth, at which point it will either instant die or be close to dead.
>>576809903>because the archetypal tardtyrdom zealot uses it as a crutch against dying from going down twice every horde lol.That doesn't happen because of Untill Death crutch :)
>>576809805No it is what you sound like when trying strawman marty zealots.
Why do martyrdom zealots cause this much seethe?
>>576809981>I guess i will have to check out pbb Ogryn then.I maintain that PBB ogryn was the strongest overall build in havoc even before the buffs, and is borderline retarded after the buffs, and so strong that even in h40 it's what the optimal team should completely build around, so carrying the trench with it shouldn't be too difficult. It's also not really a matter of selfish carry vs supporting, because you're doing all of those at the same time by knocking everything over.The main issue you'll run into is retards griefing your ammo economy by sucking up ammo pickups that objectively, rightfully belong to you. I realize that this is likely extremely difficult to avoid because every shitter runs some variant of severely retarded gun build with a non-viable gun or completely pants-on-head retarded perks and blessings turning even good guns into ammo hogging peashooters.>arbitrators that never fire their special shells>>576810078I can't imagine that high 20s are still retarded enough to let gunners live, but maybe they are.>Relic blade can hold the horde well enough until This is what I mean with flame nades. You don't have to do this. You can just start cutting the thing's head off. The time you buy from dropping a flame nade is worth several swings, and the RB hits fucking hard even outside of stealth.In fact>stealthI fucking despise stealth zealot in havoc. It is plain and simple not good enough, yet so many retarded zealot mains try to force it, when the reality of the situation is that they should've swapped to melee scum eons ago instead of trying to force a damage meme build on a class that's been power crept into a (very strong, but low damage) support role.
>>576810393It's a shitter/youtuber node. Once you know what you're doing you realise it's a bandaid for poor skills.
>>576810393They consistently think they're the main character while actually being the least useful member of the team because one-shotting bosses is an irrelevant gimmick to actually good teams.Most of them use the build as an excuse to stack wounds because they go down far too often. >>576810161 Even through Until Death. Whenever I see a wound stacking zealot in auric, I assume he'll hug the floor on every horde. I can't imagine how horrendous the zealot population in the havoc trench must be.
>>576809945>discourse about unpopular games in /coopg/Everything you're saying is correct, we just have a small handful of severely mentally ill unemployed and brown-skilled trolls that try to stir shit with trying to split the thread or saying this is the darktide general, while at the same time not playing and utterly hating darktide. Same shit with vermintide shilling when nobody gives a fuck about the game as evidenced by the complete lack of discussion. It's always effective bait because the dumbass newfags always bite, instead of telling the splitfag to fucking kill himself.
meta build for arbitrator?
>>576811106>classical definition of metaArbites maul, shotgun, retard stance, ditch the dog for no reason but never use your blitzes, take Forceful but none of the actually useful supporting nodes, skip TtW and all of the actually good damage nodes, and preferably farm spawn doors but go down so slowly thanks to your overtuned defenses that you waste 5 minutes of my time sitting at the airlock instead of dying after just 2.>actually goodAnything that includes picrel and doesn't use retard stance.
>>576811106Herehttps://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a273ee9d-77bf-4847-8da5-374d310b117d/arby-meta
>>576811554Not the kind of build I like, but can confirm this looks fine enough and will perform well.
So new Decapitator on martian power sword really does drop 1 stack at a time. I wish we could get this improved Decapitator on Rashad. But since fatshark released martian power sword in a broken, unusable state, and went on vacation, they will not get any data on the new blessing and we will never get good Decapitator.
>>576811554>shattering impact on bolter>no true gritDog shit
>>576810495You mean bandaid for poor class weapons that require 60% attack speed to not feel like garbage
>>576811952Thankfully the relic blade solves that problem by not sucking ass. It's also really bad at scaling with attack speed because, while the DPS is humongous, you'll redline your heat meter within seconds, and then deal no fucking damage. It's better to use horizontal heavies to horde clear, and heavies don't scale with attack speed very well at all.
>>576810409>I fucking despise stealth zealot in havoc.>trying to force a damage meme build on a class that's been power crept into a (very strong, but low damage) support role.You don't understand what stealth is good at. First and foremost it's the strongest tool for scraping trash off the floor, and clutching when they inevitably full die. Its ability to occasionally enable a one shot on a captain or weakened monstrosity is only the icing on the cake.
>>576812246>You don't understand what stealth is good at.I understand very well what stealth is good at. You don't understand that you're wasting your ability slot on something that zealot can already do for free with the retarded amounts of revive speed you get. If you revive your retard while they're being mulched on the ground, they die again. If they aren't surrounded, you can get the revive instantaneously without needing to waste your ability slot. If the situation is truly beyond salvaging, no it isn't, just chorus, enemies get stunned for long enough that it only takes 2 sources of revive speed to safely revive before a swing can connect with you.Of course the stealth-tard is a Dunning-Krugroid.
>>576812407Saar, please do not redeem the izzat farm. You clearly don't know the difference between picking people up with chorus vs stealth.
>>576811861You don't need true grit.
>>576812602Bloody fuck you! I fuck you bloody benchod!
I've only ever seen two useful stealth zealots, and one of them was a True Survivor carrying low Havocs. Everyone else has been completely fucking dogshit and an actual waste of a party slot.
>>576812069More attack speed makes your heavies come out fastersource: I feel like it does
>>576813127>source: I feel it doesBased.
Ogryn is all I need
>>576813127It does. Attack speed does affect how quickly the actual swing of your heavy connects. The problem is that it doesn't seem to affect the wind-up time at all, so the overall effect that attack speed has on heavies is very minor and ultimately not usually worth stacking if you use a weapon that relies on heavies.For exmaple, the difference that attack speed makes on ogryn's shield H1 spam is appreciable, in part because the attack animation is so fucking slow.
hwo does the bleed blessing work on the rumbler? It looks like it doesnt proc most of the time and they are right next to the explosion
>>576812407>just use the ability with twice as long a cooldown to do the same thing
>>576813451>If you revive your retard while they're being mulched on the ground, they die againretard
Watch it, im the biggest 'tard round these parts
>>576690658this is the only good onethe rest suck
>>576813324
>>576814186>t. true shitter
>>576814110Wrong. This guy is here >>576812630
>>576813451No, retard, you do the same thing without using any ability.With chorus you do better.
>>576814878Why do true survivors trigger trannies so much?
>>576812407You just dropped a truke while he bending down to tie his shoe and the truke hit him right between the cheeks
>>576814920>being a bookcucknah
>>576815042I meant this >>576688054How insecure are you?
>>576815491>insecureThe term "true shitter" was created by front-hole having tranny freaks who get insecure when they see true survivors
>>576815374Every enemy cowers before the bookchadsShroudcels hide themselves and their shame
>>576815640Sorry, i misplaced my schizoid dictionary
>>576815758Which makes me think how did some random hobo zealot got his hands on an actually very powerful relic
>>576815775Schizoidism has nothing to do with schizophrenia
>>576815758>bookchadimagine being proud of being a glorified smyker and doing no damage
>>576816116Someone's gotta drag your brown ass to the finish line
>>576813297Using the very scientific method of heavy attacking a crusher to death a bunch of times trying to cut the heavy windups as close as I can I got a consistent 530dps with 40% from the 10% node and marty speed, and 430dps with 0% after I removed both attack speed talents. It's not a 40% dps boost, but it's not negligible and staggering more often will always be good. Hitting the windup timing definitely felt easier with more attack speed so I want to say it's affectedOn a more objective note even just testing the relic blade with no attack speed in the psykhanium made me want to kill myself, this shit is unusable without martyrdom. I know IJ is supposed to be the alternative, but that keystone desperately needs help
>>576815865The relic is inert on its own, it's the power of the zealot's belief that causes golden warp magic to radiate out of him.
>>576815865It's not a relic.
>>576816345nah, charge and commonsense is more than enough.unless you're one of those shitters who can't dive gunners cause you're too chickenshit to actually position properly. makes sense
>>576816938what is it then?
>>576816358The bottleneck isn't damage output, it's heat. The faster you attack the faster your bar fills and has to cool down. Stacking attack speed only gives you burst damage now, at the cost of skill points that stop doing anything once you're heat locked. That's the main concern. I wouldn't take more than either of the +10% attack speed nodes, and even those I think are too expensive considering how much better the alternatives are on the zealot skill tree. Any nigger that skips the 10% crit aura should be fucking lynched.>relic blade with no attack speed in the psykhanium made me want to kill myselfOnce you get used to the rhythm of making heavy attacks, it stops being a problem. It's just a bit difficult getting used to having such a long delay between attacks that the occasional poxer or rager can hit you if you aren't good about dodging. You might also have to adjust your combos to include the occasional push. Overall though, I really don't think you should ever build for attack speed, ESPECIALLY not IJ.IJ feels great on the relic blade, but is the fastest way to heat lock yourself and stop being useful, especially if you don't have chorus. Especially if you're dumb enough to spam light attacks for no reason. Martyrdom ARGUABLY has a place for the damage boost with stealth builds, and RB is the best stealth weapon, but even then you're running a damage meme build on what should by all counts be a support class and built as such.Even disregarding how dogshit I think stealth zealot is in h40, you are doing yourself a disservice by playing a much weaker version of melee scum. I get that letting go of Until Death, the health meme crutch build, and extra wounds is difficult, but once you get over the hurdle of scum being very hard to play, it just completely shits on zealot's pathetic attempts at dealing damage.
True Survivor?More like True Shitter!
>>576815758Bookcels KNEEL before the FuryGODS
>>576817025A piece of metal.
>>576815758>Shroudcels hide themselves and their shameBodied that freak
>>576817025Isn't it just a fancy inquisitorial rosette? Come to think of it, it may not even be that. Don't they usually have fancy tech inside them? It could indeed just be >>576817284I would think of it as the equivalent of holding up a rosary and invoking the name of God. It may be a particularly holy rosary blessed by the Pope, but that doesn't make it a relic.
With the shit I've seen people with the true survivor title do I'm genuinely too second hand embarrassed to use it myself.
>>576815640>The term "true shitter" was created by front-hole having tranny freaks who get insecure when they see true survivorsOther away around. Havocels are the tranny freaks. The entire gamemode is designed around catering to troons.
>>576809527>>576810003IT'S CALLED INEXORABLE JUDGEMENT.BRUTAL MOMENTUM IS A WEAPON BLESSING. GET IT RIIIIIIIIIIGHT
>>576817520I think he hit the nail on the head, given how tangibly fucking mad you are at not having True Survivor.Keep seething, ASS-let.
>>576817413It literally says in the description it's a Holy Relic. But I have nothing against people coming up with their own head-canon. You do you friend.
>>576817413>It may be a particularly holy rosary blessed by the PopeIt's not even that really. It's the same as a regular christian guy pulling out a regular crusifix and yelling "the power of god compels you!"
>>576817564I will spread misinformation and I am not going to stop.
>>576817439most of the "true survivors" on PF need to play with hard crutches like shout bubble and taunt and completely fall apart if they aren't being shielded by shutter-enabling gameplay.the amount of times i hear someone go "we need to go bubble" when they insist on standing in open like a moron is simply unbelieveablebut then again most people who play this game are garbage with or without true survivor
>>576817741heretic
>>576817663It also says in the description of Rampage that the blessing conveys +36% damage, when in reality it conveys +36% strength. Fatshark aren't exactly reliable narrators.
Wait, is that...
>>576817284>a piece of metal that makes chaos abominations flinch and cower
>>576817663It's neither holy or a relic. It's just a piece of metal. The actual power of the "relic" is just the zealot channeling his psychic warp power in form of Faith through the relic.Ability descriptions aren't canon.
>>576817793Not the worst cope I've seen itt. But it's still a relic.
>>576817834IT'S SCOOBIDA
>>576817835Yeah?Bolter and a power sword achieve that too. They are also just pieces of metal.
>>576817847>Ability descriptions aren't canon.As opposed your headcanon, of course
>>576817847>Ability descriptions aren't canon.why because you said so?
>>576817903Isn't hanging so closely onto a singular questionable line in a barely canon description written by a retarded and ESL Sw*dish """person""" a bit of a strawman?I have no particularly strong opinion either way, but I'd like to see more than a single microscopic and questionable source actually referring to it as a relic.>>576818000>it doesn't say it isn't a relic so it's a relicAAAH I'M DEBOOOOOOONKING
>>576817757For me it's the>let's run into this dead end, stack all of the aoe bullshit and hope we don't get it overrunbrain. The psyker dome meta has made this type of brainrot set in so deep that I'm not sure those kinds of players can even fathom winning another way.
Is there any actual difference between base damage and strength?
>>576817834Your life might be bad, but at least you do not work at Fatshart modelling dog anuses.
>>576818095it looks like a relicworks like a relicand is written to be a relicif it's just a piece of metal then why would the zealot even need it in the first place? Don't be silly anon.
am bored, anyone needs help for a penance?>>576818121Strenght is like power on ratclick, it increases dmg stagger cleave so it's always better to go for more strength over just dmg (the rampage blessing gives power despite the wording)
>>576818121Strength additionally affects cleave and stagger (unless the attack is ranged in which case it's just stagger)
>description literally says in plain English WIELD A HOLY RELIC>A HOLY RELIC>Uuuh, it isn't a holy relicReal retard hours
>>576818000My headcanon is actually how the fucking setting works that is detailed in official 1st party material.Darktide is a 3rd party slop game cooked up by idiots who have never actually read any of the fluff. They even tried to pass Skitarii Alpha Primus as their own creation, even though that shit already existed and was mentioned in 7th edition mechanicus codex, 11 years ago.So no, ability descriptions are not canon.
>>576817757>>576818110No idea what game you guys are playing, but I'd "only" estimate bubblecuck teams to make up about half of all h40 parties, presumably because the host is dumb enough to just accept any psyker without checking their build, or actually does believe bubble is mandatory.Most lobbies I join bring shriek. I host most of the time, and I get a majority shriek builds applying.Is this an NA thing? Are you actually just lying trench stuckies and projecting your irrelevant experiences in the trench onto h40?
>>576818221>if it's just a piece of metal then why would the zealot even need it in the first place?This is like asking why would a christian need or carry cross/crusific around even though it's just a glorified piece of wood.This is where we are at? Trying genuinely pretend why a religious person would carry around a religious symbol belonging to their religion and using it as a "gotcha".God damn you're all fucking stupid.
>>576818267Darktide is a product reviewed and approved by GW, making it canon unless GW specifically states otherwise. Thanks for playing.
>>576818267Are you implying there is no such thing as a holy relic in 40k?
>>576818313Bubble is pretty good if they've got both the subnodes, but you are sacrificing essentially an entire player slot to get it.
>>576818421It's less so that bubble is strictly bad, and more that the opportunity cost of giving up shriek is retardedly monumental, compounded by the fact that bubblecucks are universally atrocious players that need constant hand holding.And that doesn't even begin to compare bubble to smoke grenades.>inb4 we have our threadly meltdown over how smokes are actually le bad because uhh uhhh I can't see!!!
>>576818313>Is this an NA thing? Are you actually just lying trench stuckies and projecting your irrelevant experiences in the trench onto h40?No, I ban psykers. EU can't play without psykers at all xd
>>576818418He's implying a nobody street preacher wouldn't have one, but in terms of fluff, holy relics aren't even rare. You literally can get a chunk of metal and dip it in the blood of battle sisters and it'll count.
smokes are actually le bad because uhh uhhh I can't see!!!
>>576818384Holy relics is a common thing in 40k. The innate power of a relic varies greatly, but it is in fact a thing. They're not all just symbols they hold up for fun. Our murder hobo zealot who is a wannabe holy paladin does not have enough faith to perform Chorus by himself. He can't perform magical piss toughness farts without the relic.
just slide bro
>>576818515>No, I'm a contrarian retardI see, thanks for conceding.>EU can't play without psykers at all xdProbably not far from the truth. Most lobbies I see in general have psykers in them, and EU probably has the densest population of psykers of all regions I've played in. Which I fully assume is owed mostly to slavgroids perpetuating the severely retarded mentality of >if me not top score = carried ree REEE REEEEEE I GOT RAPED I NEED TO RAPE THEM BACK AND MAKE MORE BIGGER SCOREand is part of the reason why psyssies have such violent meltdowns when ogryns dare to not bring taunt (they don't want to have the smaller e-peen on the e-peen board but get cockslapped by rumbler builds and then cry)
I play Psyker because nobody accepts my Skitty.
>>576818313The development of party finder having and accepting shriek psykers over bubble more than once in a blue moon is very recent (yes, even in havoc 40.)The mindset that it caused lives on regardless, and there are a bunch of ways to emulate that gameplay without bringing bubble itself.
>>576818827>The development of party finder having and accepting shriek psykers over bubble more than once in a blue moon is very recent (yes, even in havoc 40.)You are trying to gaslight me on a gamemode I've played very regularly since its inception. Shriek has been a known factor and more popular than bubble by even remotely half-decent players since... I want to say, at the latest, around the time scum came out? At the very latest.I'm also fairly certain that the devaluation of bubble caused the rise of smoke grenades, although those never became popular until the crusher spawn rate nerf (and rotten armor nerf) made it less annoying to drop krak grenades.Smokes being a common thing is the actual recent development, and HK server has known about that shit for several months.
>>576819031>HK server has known about that shit for several months.Even longer, I'd say.
>>576818592can your pp become a holy relic if you had sex with a battle sister while she's on her period?
>>576819031>>576818827Sorry, I forgot to preface this: >in the context of h40I never dropped lower than 30 on a reset, I genuinely could not know what trenchshitters do, and I don't care either because they are not even playing the same game, else they wouldn't be stuck down there.I fully assume trench shitters slave the bubble because they couldn't fathom playing without. Same for kraks because they can't make builds that aren't dogshit, and draft teams that are completely random, so nobody can kill bosses good.>>576819173At least for the entirety of 2026, but probably longer.
>annoyed at shitty teammates as I climb Havoc>hit H31>finally I have become the shitty teammate
>Vet Weapon Specialist (Always Prepared) always rounds up>use Dual Barrel shotgun>kill one poxwalker with melee>shotgun reloads one round when i switch to it for a boosted crit chance shot>melt through hordes while constantly weapon switchingI've finally found something in Darktide that's equivalent to the Saltzpyre Bloodborne build (Bounty Hunter w/ Griffonsfoot Pistols and Blessed Combat)
>>576819304>I've finally foundUnfortunately you're a couple patches late. This used to be ... gimmicky, but strong enough to be viable in h40, back when Uncanny Strike still conveyed global rending, not just melee rending. You could blow up entire hordes with your bleed cleave meme shotgun, and it was serviceably strong.Still a meme, and still a role vet doesn't belong in, but I digress.I actually have no idea how DB performs on vet in auric nowadays, or whether you still build bleed. I know scum does reasonably well with it, and does NOT want the bleed.
>>576818798>I have to play the part of my assigned role because no one accepts me for who I am!havocsissies are so funny
>>576819463Being accepted for who you are is only reserved for those with True Survivor and 5000 true level.
>>576818798I have scatarii on auto decline because the class is too complex for most retards to do ANYTHING USEFUL AT ALL, and the top end performance in the hands of a great player isn't particularly impressive either.Play a good class.
>>576819031I don't know what's recent for you but I personally got the>bubble?? bubble??? where bubble?shit until this summer.Demographic change is also gradual, so maybe some of this disagreement is just us having different thresholds for this.
>>576818798I want to play FOTF and and actually enjoy a challenge but nobody accepts it because people want to play the solved meta by depending on chorus of spiritual fartitude and it makes me sad. I also want to play melee psyker with scriers but if it ain't Shriek I'm DECLINED.
>>576819584>I don't know what's recent for youShriek > bubble has been a thing in my havocs long before skitarii came out. I think I most distinctly remember the shift to be around some time after scum released and people gradually lost interest in the class. I don't follow content creatoids so I couldn't point to any particular famous video that popularized shriek, but there are definitely some epic kill montage videos dealing 5 gorillion damage in a cherry picked run that took far too long because retarded teammates died. I've been in a handful of those games myself, always as the other guy keeping the psyker safe while 1-2 completely out-of-their-depth morons got corpse dragged to the finish line by the psyker and me. A 60+ minute clandestium rotten armor game that I effectively duo'd with a psyker teammate was what made me decide to religiously inspect and aggressively decline retards at the first red flag I see, and I've never had this issue ever since.
>>576819191
>>576817047Don't you want to spend your heat as fast as possible so more heat is used on hits compared to the passive buildup? And if you're heating up faster you haven't done any less total damage in the powered phase, you just get unpowered quicker so the cooldown phase starts and ends sooner giving you more powered phases in the same amount of time>ij feels great>ij stacks fall off>dodges suddenly become worse until i hit something>said hit does not benefit from any attack speed or damage from the stacks ive already stackedNo, they could have made it not feel bad like all the other keystones you have to actively keep up, but they chose not to. As for chorus any time I look at it I wish it was vet shout and switch back to playing vet every game foreverAnd don't even try to trick me into blazing piety with a relic blade, if you forced me to do chorus/bp it'd be with something fast and critheavy like a tacaxe or knife. Trying to keep scourge up with relic is miserable, it's 3 seconds, your only source of melee bleed, how often does something survive long enough for a second hit with no attack speed AFTER you crit a head while powered up and if it drops off you need to stack it 3 times again
>>576819191Anything is possible
>>576819451NTA, I got my Auric Storm title playing the funny he-he DBS + Weapon Specialist, Kraks + every nade perk, and Stealth. By accident! I was just being a silly little guy. It's extremely good on Auric because ammo isn't an issue, and the high crit means you can still one-tap snipers (with the bleed DOT) across the map.
>>576820246>Don't you want to spend your heat as fast as possible so more heat is used on hits compared to the passive buildup?Only on an autistic technicality. In actual practice, you just swing heavies to cleave through hordes and kill them exactly quickly enough without any additional attack speed.If you need more attacks, you weave in light attacks between heavies when you need them, usually after a push. Spamming lights is high DPS but it really, really fucks with your heat gauge and isn't useful in practice. Besides, this whole heat management thing is way, wayyy overthinking it. Turn it on, make heavies, switch to flamer or chorus when it runs hot, then back to melee after it cools down. Obviously regularly turn it off (with a quick weapon swap) between fights, even if it only buys you 10-15% heat. That is actually a lot if you make heavies like you're supposed to.Also light attacks are dogshit against armored targets, so you need your heavy combo against those ANYWAY.>And don't even try to trick me into blazing piety with a relic blade, It is the correct way to run BP, and it is the correct way to run RB. You even skip the left self-buffing crit node. The only thing your crits are good for is Blinded by Blood, which BP on its own provides enough crit rate for. This is the only time you want to truly spam light attacks: Into unshielded bosses, until they have a bleed stack.I don't care how much you want to obsess over synergizing with your own build, zealot is not a class that should buff itself because it is not a good class at dealing damage. You are griefing your team by not bringing the crit aura.
Martyr legit sucks and i'm tired of humoring martyrtards
>>576821114It is by far the best way to play zealot in auric, and arguably necessary to even have a chance at competing for damage. I get where they're coming from from auric where they belong lol but it's just utter shit in havoc, because the damage zealot role just isn't very good.
>>576820759>In actual practice, you just swing heavies to cleave through hordes and kill them exactly quickly enough without any additional attack speed.Keep in mind that I'm assuming you do NOT put unyielding on the RB, because it doesn't need it to kill ogryns, and has enough DPS against bosses without it. Unyielding is the best choice on stealth builds, but stealth builds aren't the best choice.It may be worth investing in 3 relic blades in total; one with unyielding (stealth), one with flak (general purpose for dealing with ragers, maulers, flak hordes) and one with infested (rotten armor, clearing poxers when you're literally the only one that can).The second perk is obviously always carapace because it fucking needs it.
>>576821114It's zealot's best keystone in all gamemodes.
>>576822479>t. got stuck in havoc 28 and can't figure out why
>>576822532wtf how did u know!?
>>576822595He's a witch, clearly
>>576822532If you need to make up fantasies to strawman a guy you're arguing with, it just shows you have no actual arguments against marty.You haven't even put thought as to why it is good or why it is bad, you're just dogmatically against it.
How the fuck do I not die in melee as Veteran? I feel like I have no toughness all the fucking time and if I don't take shout I'm just done for. I know, shove, slide, dodge, all of that, but as soon as I see as get tapped I end up shitting my pants and I'm tired of it. I've played up to auric with Zealot plenty and I get the difference in classes, but now I don't even have the confidence to go past Damnation with veteran because I always get downed at least once.
>>576823060Use out for blood and a melee with good cleave like power sword or falchion.
>>576821114>i'm tired of humoring martyrtardsthen why bring it up?
>>576822829It is explained in the last section of >>576820759I just don't bother spoonfeeding martyrtards anymore because they've already decided it's the best thing ever and changing a narcissistic idiot's mind is impossible.The opportunity cost of giving up the +10% crit aura is obscenely huge, and the actual payoff is godawful because you're redirecting power to a class that sucks.>inb4 it wouldn't suck if you just used martyrdomAnd now you no longer have any reason to bring a zealot to fill a role scum performs twice as good in.
Havoc and its consequences have been a disaster for Darktide
>>576823659>TL: I am extremely bad at havoc and really, really angry that I can no longer participate in big boy discussion because I got filtered before ever hitting h30Even if it's true for other reasons that you couldn't articulate because ywnbats
>>576823732i got true survivor after a few weeks in season 1 anon, it's not a big dealhavoc was solved a long time ago
>>576823659Can't take "people" seriously who think Zealot should not be a damage dealing class. Auric Maelstrom is the maximum difficulty in this game and Havoc is just some weird modded fever dream like twitch mode in ratclick
>>576823934Then how about you shut your retarded cum-guzzling faggot ASS-let mouth up like a good little shitter, instead of trying to butt into discussion you have no business participating in because you are too low skill and too low IQ to even play, let alone theorycraft the mode, retard?
>>576823934legend difficulty twitch runs were some of the most fun i had in verm, shame it doesnt translate to the other tide game
>>576824069I don't participate in havocoid content creators retards meta crafting. I just barged in to call you a subhuman for playing that garbage.
>>576824239>havocoid content creators retards meta craftingDumbfuck slavgroid can't even string a coherent sentence together and just throws out random buzzwords as if it's a gotcha. Classic.
>>576824362>slavgroidAh you are that guy. You must be responsible for like 70% posts in this general. Seek help and play better game modes.
>>576824512You will show respect to that guy.
>>576824512>everyone that hates slavgroids must be the same personYep, found the slavgroid.
>>576823934i mean havoc is definitely harder than maelstrom on its ownHowever... carrying 2-3 retards through auric maelstrom is much harder than playing h40 with a full squad of metamaxxed regulars. Anyone with a lot of havoc experience knows there are times when h40 feels like damnation because the team is simply overbuilt and overqualified.
>>576824592Never heard this term outside of this general so yes, stop talking with yourself
>>576824623>Anyone with a lot of havoc experience knows there are times when h40 feels like damnation because the team is simply overbuilt and overqualified.Correct with the caveat that this only goes for actual mechanical difficulty. As far as game feel goes, havoc is always infinitely better other than maybe a lucky maelstrom team that actually plays together. All the other difficulties are oversaturated with out-of-their-depth turboshitters that belong in heresy at the most, wasting several minutes all on their own at every airlock, and unwittingly griefing with barrels and bursters through sheer retardation.I think a good havoc run actually tends to be FASTER ON AVERAGE than a game with 2 worthless mouthbreathers, especially if they're on arbitrator and can't die during their 5 minute spawn door farming excursion.
>>576824512I popularized the phrase in this general and that post wasn't me. Take your meds, retarded schizo
>>576824680Notice how he never once tried to deflect the slavgroid allegations.
>>576824905>I popularized the phrase in this generalI thank you for your service.
>>576819191Yes anime loli you can :)>>576811003Yeah the fag always going on about Darktide general obviously just hates the place
I really want to see the talent tree of these Arbites that are constantly getting downed in Auric.
>>576825229I can tell you that they don't use True Grit
>>576825229>>576825351True Grit doesn't even help when the shit you're dying to is <50 damage instance chip damage because you never learned the melee lol
>>576815865>>576816716>>576817025>>576817413>>576818592>>576818665>>576818384More specifically, it has that effect because people in general believe it does and not just him. It’s very much no different from a cross repelling traditional demons or something, we’ve seen this happen with characters that are essentially devout crazy street preachers who are no different from the zealot as well. Concepts, beliefs and narratives are power in 40k, although if it is an especially revered symbol steeped in worship like the description implies it would make sense it would have a more pronounced effect. The idea that such objects have that kind of power has been around a long time, and the more primitive an idea is, the more effective they are, hence why daemons are more vulnerable to melee attacks than ranged ones and so on.
>>576826000>hence why daemons are more vulnerable to melee attacks than ranged ones and so on.This is cool if it's canon. Is this mentioned anywhere?
>>576820435Incredible edit kek
>>576826519Yup, it’s implied to be the reason why the Emperor insisted on using things as primitive as spears alongside guns. Melee weapons and fire work better on them when used by humans probably because humans have stronger instinctive connections to those things than with firearms and artillery. >It has been noted that for some ill-known reason, Daemons appear to be all but immune to advanced projectile and energy based weaponry in their freshly manifested state. Attacks of a more primitive nature on the other hand, such as the hacking of a blade or the setting of flame to such a creature, have been reported to have an exaggerated effect. > Angron: The Red AngelBladed weapons were often more effective than conventional arms against the choirs of the immaterial realms. The Neverborn were naught but malign reflections of the human psyche. Their unholy resilience to the common weaponry of the Imperium was but another manifestation of human fears.Blade, fire and witchcraft: these were the instruments the Neverborn feared. —- Angron the Red Angel>It has been posited by radical rhetoricians that those weapons wielded by ancient men are held most in dread by the Daemon itself, for as beings of scavenged sentience and emotion, they are not wounded on the physical plane but on an ideological level, by the primordial expectation of pain. Furthermore, the Daemons' vulnerability in this regard might have informed the very weapons with which we continue to wage war, for why else would the Emperor have commanded His Legions to wield swords as readily as their bolters in our current age? — Malevolence This is another factor in why they can take a lot of punishment from certain sources while being hurt by others.
>>576826000>hence why daemons are more vulnerable to melee attacks than ranged onesBy around M40 the original M1911 would be around 38 000 years old as a design.So guns are very well ancient enough to kill demons too like melee weapons.We also know that M1911 still exists in 40k, there's an actual image of it in Rogue Trader.
>>576827682Oops fucked up the greentext the first passage is apart of the third
>>576827716Yes, that’s why guns and shit *are* still effective, but melee weapons and attacks would still predate them by dozens/hundreds of thousands years and are better at it accordingly.
>>576797260the laser beams in 40k games like DoW and Darktide are instant hitscan lines with no travel time. studio execs coming from other projects don't like this because it's different from star wars and might confuse people.
>Start playing DT again after a long pause>There are now shield wielding regular enemies whose only purpose seem to be to fuck up your cleaves during hordes
>>576828546They're obnoxiously common in the lower difficulties, but only rarely show up in large groups in auric, and I haven't even noticed their presence in havoc.
>>576828546This is a good thing actually. Now you have different problems to solve instead of every poxwalker horde being your cue to spam horizontals.
>>5768293345-10 vanguards in a small room is a run-ending event in uprising (which you have to play when picking up a new class)
>>576828546>>There are now shield wielding regular enemies whose only purpose seem to be to fuck up your cleaves during hordesThe reason why they stop you from cleaving is because the shields are carapace and it is hard coded that you can't cleave through carapace.I still can't comprehend why the fuck they did that. The vanguard shields should only be fucking Flak armor, not Carapace.Also to add, both shield enemies have like elite amounts of health for some retarded reason.Like dreg vanguard has 1600 health and scab vanguard has 2100.And for some reason they've been also coded that dreg vanguards have a 0.75 damage modifier on their head and scab vanguard has 0.65 damage modifier.And for some retard reason they are also very stagger resistant, so it is hard to open them up.They looked at the shield rats from VT2 and then decided to do everything the fucking opposite of what made them actually a good enemy to fight.I don't understand.
>>576829926>it is hard coded that you can't cleave through carapace.i think you need perfect strikealso its faster just to shoot them, i had no problems shooting them with an iag>0.75 damage modifier on their head and scab vanguard has 0.65 damage modifier.they changed that
>>576815775You were using it to dialate.
>>576829806Then they should tweak their numbers in lower difficulties. The enemy itself, conceptually, is a net positive as long as it is implemented right.
is there a way to max the impact enough on ogryn so it sends the crushers flying? Or only with the crusher mace with hammerblow
>>576829334That's what hordes are supposed to be, though. If you take a cleaving weapon, you are designating yourself as xXxhordekillahxXx and thus are less effective against tougher single targets. Now there are tougher single targets within the horde and that just means the role you kitted yourself for is fucked, and by extension the weapons meant for that role are too. With the exception of rumbler because of course rumbler continues to be goated beyond belief.
>>576830375>they changed thatNo, that is the changed values.Originally when the skitarii update came out both of them had 0.50 damage modifiers on their heads.Meaning both vanguards had a 50% damage resistance on headshots.>perfect strikeIt's still retarded. Giving human trash mobs fucking CARAPACE SHIELDS is dumb, it should only be Flak. The shields even look like they are junk cobbled together from random shit.Also shooting them is entirely random because the hitbox on the shields extend pretty far and can block the head shot when they are holding up the shield.Vanguards are just a horribly designed enemy. There's no defending it.
>>576830891>is there a way to max the impact enough on ogryn so it sends the crushers flying?Yes, but you need to take Heavy Hitter and then Impactful. And you need to take Slam.If you really want to throw crushers on the floor you need to take the slab shield.
>saturday, american east coast
>don't cleave them bro
>>576831954>I don't see it therefore it doesn't existYou're never going to stop with this retarded bait, are you?
>>576831078The role isn't fucked because hordes still need to be dealt with, and it's efficient to have a designated horde clearer for this job, the job just comes with an occasional different task that breaks up the monotony.The fact that some weapons can ignore the issue entirely is what's wrong, not the other way around.
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>>576832041interesting reaction to that image
>>576831260no, iag went right through it, im not really sure what went right in order to do that
>>576831986Why these enemies are so tanky??? I swear a crusher doesn't feel that bad
>>576832183Nice try, faggot.
>>576832180NOOOO THEY SAID THEY ARE CHAFF ENEMIES THEY ARE GOOD FOR THE GAME THEY DONT HAVE ANY ISSUES
>>576832286>iag went right through itIt doesn't. Carapace cannot be cleaved through.You just got a lucky shot.
>>576832498no, it was full auto, i wasnt getting any clunk clunk clunk clunk, it was all hit markers
>>576832180I can't prove it but I guarantee that they only made vanguard shields carapace purely to fuck over kraks.
>>576832593Aka you got lucky. Carapace by definition in the code cannot be cleaved through, it is hard coded to absorb attacks.Only way to over-ride this, is by using Brutal Momentum, Sunder, Perfect Strike or Unstoppable Force.IAGs don't have any blessings that let you cleave through Carapace.
>>576833146well i am, i literally shooting their shields and they die
>>576832064If you have a bladed weapon (that isn't force or rev), you can completely forget trying to take down the vanguards, especially if there's a horde also coming for the team's ass because that means you do not have time to dance around the absurdly tough enemy that is supposed to be a minor inconvenience.
I think Skitarii who don't use the medical servoskull when they have it should be flagged by an ingame system and immediately permabannedWhat do you think?
>>576833425Then tweak the enemy's units until it works, but not so much that they change literally nothing about how you click on hordes because that's what they're there for. I'm defending the concept, not the numbers.
>>576833872Too easily produces false positives because there are plenty of situations where someone is so easily revived that you shouldn't waste your charges. Especially if you have shitters that go down twice on every horde.
>>576833973Hmm, probably, but we need a solution to this problem
>>576834098Simple. Allow deranking out of auric, and make it relatively strict. All the mouthbreathers who can't find their servo skull key won't be allowed to play there anymore.
>>576834231Man I wish it had been auric, it was havoc
>>576834289And? The trench is populated with shitters that don't belong in auric either. Every time I have the most retarded shitter imaginable, his havoc rank is in the low 20s. Without fail.
>>576809638>Low hp = higher dps. There is no gymn-ACK
>kill 1000 dregs with melee>Pick up 16 grimoires or Scruiptures
>>576835152>Complete 6 missions with no player deaths
>>576835152Missions completed, monsters killed, plasteel and diamantine gathered, mission completed without deaths.Reroll until you get the above.If you have trouble getting deathless missions because your teammates are retarded, just go to the mission board, select campaign, and run Rolling Steel on the lowest difficulty. Your bots can only die if you rush and they spawn out of bounds and fall to their death, while any retards that join have to pull a similar stunt, otherwise it's almost impossible to eat shit in uprising.
I NEED TO BE MATING PRESSED RIGHT THIS FUCKING INSTANT coop games
>>576835945Average Zealot main
>>576835945>t. Reverant with minimal height
>quickplay>obelisk>obelisk>obelisk>obelisk>vortex>vortex>obelisk>vortexI'm going to kill someone
So will NMRIH2 be good now with it's 1.0 release?
>>576836971No tyranids until you finish your Chaos
>There's a second hive city on Tertium that is constantly being mentioned as lost, but not as to why it was lostIt's in the control of a genestealer cult, isn't it?
i saw someone few threads ago post about some mod that allowed you to replace whatever songs play and when, is it this one? or was it something else
>>576837737It doesn't matter, fatshark will never do anything with it
>>576838046It's pretty clear that DT is about to get the VT2 treatment where they add a secondary enemy faction alongside a new gamemode. The Winds of Magic equivalent of DT will be that second hive city that you do expeditions into.
>>576838046They decided instead to create 2 game mode people barely play, and one is just IN A DREAAAAAAAMHow cool is that?Oh, and it was made by the same guy who gave us the Weaves in Vermintide 2 :)
I CAN'T WAIIIIIIIIT FOR THE WEEKEND TO BEGIIIIIIN
is zealot dogshit or its just me
>>576838605It is
>>576838040https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/1118
>the psyker void armor in rotation show your shoulders skinHgngngnghnhnhnnnnnnnnn
>>576838410expeditions are fun imho. about them, i wonder if they'll ever made high level havoc expd and mortis
>>576838786>expeditions are funhaha nice bait
>>576838728thanks king
>>576838605Zealot used to be a powerhouse solo killing machine, now in terms of being the killing powerhouse, he has seen much better days and is honestly one of the weaker classes.He still has strong utility, just not the solo carry class he used to be.
>>576838605Zealot was overly nerfed in every role except support, which is where it shines in havoc.It's pretty miserable in auric. Even with the most damaging build possible, some random psyker can easily kill enemies before you even get close enough to swing your weapon.
>>576838605it's the best class to learn the game with
>>576839268well, i find them entertaining if a bit maps-wise repetitive and brown
>>576838605martyrdom eviscerator fotf auric histg is my safe space
>>576840554what does that meanst. new player
>>576838605Take the crusherpill
>>576838605zealot is good if you build as a bulky frontliner that brings strong team support with chorusdo not try to revolver/knife/stealth tranny it, that build is dogshit and only good for clip farming le epic clutch moments
>>576841028Not him, bur what's a good zealot buid for havoc?I want to use the crusher mace and flamer.
>>576840637>if you build as a bulky frontlinerAnd which parts of zealot are prerequisite for doing so?
>>576841985oopsie was meant for >>576841028
>>576841985these 2 nodes and at least 2 wound curious, and no it doesn't matter if you go fartydom or not
>>576841965>FlamerYou're in for a bad time
>>576842580flamer is good actually
Remove Rampage from Scum and give it to Zealot.
remove rumbler
remove your panties UwU
>>576842661flamer is not great in auric
Power creep was a mistake. Revert skill trees and RETVRN to 2022.
>>576838575But it’s already Saturday frogcuck
>>576843457at that point why wouldn't you just play vermthe skill trees are unique to darktide at least
>>576843567YIPPEEEEE!
>>576840631it's a buildhow i enjoy zealot. Here's a visual explanation if you're interested
>>576843457Ewwww what is this
>>576843919a blast from the pastthe olden days
>>576843457>go back in time when every class has only 1 build worth using and the 12/18 nodes sucked shit never being worth using everNo thank you.
>>576844427Yes, it was a simpler and better time without tranny shit like piss toughness and ogr*n using his ranged weapons
>>576837269>more character customization>daily and weekly tasks for tokens for that customization>baseball bat knockdown meta completely eviscerated by the removal of teddy bear from the fucking game>rerolling traits made much cheaper>new traits>bunch of new maps>baby mode difficulties made less punishing so all of the retards don't immediately get bounced out the fucking door like they did during the free weekendsit will at least be worth looking at
>>576843918Would bleed nodes + bleed on eviscerator be somewhat viable using this overall build?
>>576843457we'd be better off with this>less opportunity for people to completely brick their build>less bullshit to balance aroundbut no, people need the illusion of free choice presented in tax nodes
>zealot players say they have the weakest class>veteran players say they're the weakest class>arbys say they're the weakest classhmm
>>576844881yes that works.
>>576845098no veteran player says this
My finest darktide screenshot yet.
>>576845098the zealots are right but their players don't say that, they still think they're hot shit despite never topping damagethe veterans say that at all times, since launch, and it has never been true, they remain right behind psyker at the toparby is just boring and can't shit out damage
>>576844717>and better timeIt was a dogshit and the worst time for the game.
>>576842580>>576843185I'm talking about a zealot build for havoc.
>>576845654It's still not great. Flamer is probably the worst ranged weapon in the game, not least because there is nothing you can do to empower it through talents.
>>576845297>arby engaging the plague ogryn in melee>zealot pushing it back with chorus evoking the Emperor's name>ogryns magdumping the monstrosity at full blastKino
>>576845868So what ranged weapon do you bring with zealot in H40 then?
Coolest personality for Scum? I would take the scottish dude but my Zealot is already one and i don't want to turn mourningstar into Glasgow
>Auric quickplay>New player Psyker struggle with flame staff/bubble in no man's land>blames his build and dies twice, sad in chat :(>ask him where he got his buildI'm doing god's work
>>576846827They are all kind of shit honestly but mine is a bounty hunter.
>>576846827anarchist if you want your scum to be an obnoxious redditorbounty hunter if you want your scum to be a redditoroutlaw if you want your scum to be an alright guy
Zealot has:>mandatory to have aura for the pox slop modifier>best ability in the game (choir)>FREE 10% crit chance to the entire team>strongest single node in the game that stops you from dying for free I cant think of a stronger class than this desu
>>576847069this
>>576845301when i read this the only thing i'm understanding is give arbys golden toughness and buff dog
I have no more diamantine
>>576847596poorfag lmao
>>576847101First three is support slop on a class that was supposed to be an unrelenting meat grinder in melee.
>>576846827Fem anarchist for that Rampage screamMale bounty hunter for MUCKER
>>576847101>all things that do not directly impact upon the zealot's own gameplaythere's the problem anonpipi
>>576847596did you do the event?
>>576847773it's a team game
>>576847858which one?
Been giving the crusher a try because its cool, but it feels like the shock maul/shield is just way more effective in general, especially killing specialsthis may have to do with me not being particularly good at the melee system
>>576847930yes it is, but that doesn't mean a class should just be a stat boost that does nothing else, retard
>>576848124Yes it does.
>>576818121There is no such thing as base damage. It's a regular damage increase that stacks additively with other damage increases like increased base damage or increase ranged damage. But it applies to both ranged and melee. Sometimes swedes add "base" to it like in veteran's tree, sometimes they don't and simply write "damage" like in skit tree.
>see havoc 40 party listed>just a single veteran in there, level 744>shovel, db>shout but he intentionally did not take the gold toughness node>he pathed around field improv>he's just been sitting there waiting for someone to join>no one haswhy is it only veteran players I ever see doing this shit
>>576848882have you considered that he might just be fucking around with talent builds while waiting for people to join?
>>576838313>It's pretty clear that DT is about to get the VT2 treatment where they add a secondary enemy faction alongside a new gamemodeHAHAHAHAHALMAO
>>576818313In eu that's more like 80% of h40 parties
>>576849005he's had that loadout since I first saw him an hour ago and just now
>>576848882Because you only have expectations for veterans.Zealots do dumb shit all the time but you don't judge them.
>>576844785>baseball bat knockdown meta completely eviscerated by the removal of teddy bear from the fucking gameWhat was this all about?
>>576843918is the eviscerator good? i was using the relic blade but it feels too slowthanks for the build
>>576850140>is the eviscerator good? He only plays baby difficulty and he has to use the noob ability and the noob keystone to make it work there.What do you think?
>>576850140not that anon but i find relic blade feels far more satisfying at mowing down hordes but i just play auric maelstrom nothing higher
>>576850356admitely i also only play auric and im trying to get the no deaths maelstrom achivement
>>576849008Why is that so hard to believe when they did that with VT2?
>>576851185fucking absolute retard
Imagine taking time to create such low-tier bait
>>576851365VT2 got a new enemy faction in year 2 of the game. We are currently at year 4 of Darktide and only thing Fatshit has managed to make are a reskinned bomber, reskinned shotgunner and 2 bruisers with shields.I don't expect the devs to make entirely unique enemies with unique behaviours, not at all. What I expect them to do, is to reskin shit like the ogryn enemies and make them into GSC aberrants, and taking regular scab shooters and turning them into generic GSC cultists.But taking 4 god damn years to do what is essentially a reskin rush job of pre-existing enemies that a god damn intern could do in a week. Does not bode well for the studio. And this is assuming they are at all working on a new faction.
>>576851185It really is the opposite of that
>>576851891This is pure copium on my part, and I want you to bear with me here, but what if it's taken so long precisely because they are doing all that unique stuff for the GSC?
>>576851185based retarded nigger
>>576851185Made havoc tards malding with this one, gj
>>576852724>the only one that cares is too retarded to even get his grammar rightbased ESL retard
>>576845098Honestly one of the worst parts about playing zealot is having class-exclusive weapons that suck shit.The only halfway-decent one is the Relic Blade. Flamer is unusable with how clunky it is, eviscerator folds to vanguards, bulwarks, and crushers, and thunder hammer has zero cleave, in addition to unimpressive damage. Nobody uses the crusher because the class is supposed to be a damage class, not a disabling class. It lacks synergy.The other part is that your blitzes aren't very good. Blades of Faith needs to be able to one-shot any (non-carapace) elite/special and it just doesn't. Stun grenades do what shout abilities do, but worse since they cost grenades and don't give an extra benefit like gold toughness, reviving teammates, soulfiring stuff, applying a taunt, or shutting down shooters.Immolation grenades are there and are really just a tool for making space when that should be the job of your other weapons. You don't get to use them all the time like Veteran can with regenerating smokes or frags.
>>576852804Everyone here is an ESL i would hope. Burgers are busy playing madden and brit bongs are watching footy on the telly or something
I am not ESL saar you bloody benchod I have study english at best university
>>576851892>dood i need that 10% crit chance thoughbeitWhat for?Crits are fucking useless on ogryn.Psyker shits out crits passively because he already has stupid amount of itVeteran never needs it because you're running bolter with surgical, deadshot, reciprocity and *maybe* desperado if you're feeling spicy. + you have innate 10% crit chance on veteran too so you're basically floating around 70% crit chance without even taking surgical into account.Arbites is currently a meme class that is irrelevant.Hive scum never needs it because it already stacks crit chance so retard high with his innate 10% crit and the skilltree that you don't even notice the extra 10%.And skitarii might as well not exist because you should never accept them into any team and not for at least 6 more months.Only class that needs the crit is zealot themselves because he only has Scourge. But this isn't worth it either because regular relic blade zealot already shits on everything without BP.
English is my only language but i'm too retarded to speak it good
>>576852823I will never understand why the flamer has that ridiculous time-to-brace. It's probably the one weapon that you should be able to quickly brace as you will be using it to deal with close threats. The way it is now, you will just eat shit from assailants before you will be ready to spew fire at them. And the puff is fucking pathetic.
>>576852416>but what if it's taken so long precisely because they are doing all that unique stuff for the GSC?Because we all know they won't do anything unique with them.Only unique parts about them would be the specialists and monstrosities, but again, this shit does not take 4 fucking years to do so.
>>576853718>he doesn't know
>>576853852Know what, exactly? Is there some secret tech that shortens the brace time or something?
>>576854349DUDE YOUR THROWING KNIFE
>>576851891well, they did 3 new classes in less than 2 years, maybe someone's pumping resources on FS and the game
>>576854349dagger removes the animation but it is retarded
>>576854515why is it retarded if it's work
>>576854349Besides what the anon said about throwing knives, a dodge slide or two backwards buys you a lot of time exactly for things like getting your flamer ready.
>>576850097First the meta was leg cutting. They tried very hard to nip this in the bud. The whole idea was>there is a hard cap on zombies>if you don't kill them, more can't spawn>cripple them and make them stand around doing nothing insteadThey fucked with bladed hitboxes, reduced limb damage, all kinds of shit and as far as I know the meta only truly died once they made crawlers more aggressive and more likely to grab you than normal walking zeds.Then people figured out if you combined the skills hard blow and teddy bear it made the light attacks of baseball bats knock zeds to the ground on every single strike, even if it was cleaving. So from there it was just bulldozing every zed out of your way not really caring if they died or not, which sometimes they did because zeds take 3x damage when knocked to the ground so this also made baseball bat insanely good at killing them too.No idea what the 1.0 meta will be. Guns have always worked even on nightmare but I've always felt it was a gamble and relied too heavily on the team not being retarded compared to melee.
>>576854968it shouldnt even be necessary, just make the gun have a normal animation instead of 4986936908 years
stfu tornado warning. I have rats to slay.
>>576853607All of these are incorrect, and to elaborate I would have to explain fundamental concepts to you that you clearly don't understand, so I'm just going to call you a retarded newfag and that you shouldn't try to participate in conversations you are far too clueless to have.The most I'll explain is that your take on veteran is extremely retarded, no, you don't have permanent 70% crit rate, and the closer you get to 100% the closer you get to having literally infinite ammo with one of the best weapons in the game, the laspistol; that zealot doesn't need crit for fuckall if you just use a good weapon; and that you evidently don't understand how psyker soulblaze works else you wouldn't discard crit.I will not go deeper into this because otherwise I'll be typing up several max-length posts for a severe retard that won't appreciate them in the first place, so go fuck yourself.
I'm not at all bothered by how long the flamer takes to fire braced, what pisses me off is that the light attack slows your aim movement down.
Here's how to fix flamer>Time to brace cut down to half of what it is now>Up front damage decreased, move that damage to burn intensity instead>Fire applies burning at a fixed rate that increases the longer the weapon is fired (flak and carapace armored enemies receive stacks slower)>At max stacks of burn, enemies are engulfed in flames and flail around panicked until they die or the burn runs its course (obviously does not work on bosses, though they will still take full damage from the burn stacks)>Puff applies a fixed amount of burn stacks (can be increased with a blessing?) and has innately a huge amount of stagger, enough to knock all but the sturdiest of enemy types on their ass. To balance this out, puff ammo cost increased significantly, perhaps even a third of a canister.Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
>>576855965>the rare non-retarded weapon suggestion on coopgGold star, genuinely. All of these are good suggestions. The flamer isn't even fun to use in the current state, regardless of how good or bad i tis.
>>576853607>Arbites is currently a meme class that is irrelevant.:(
>>576853607>Arbites is a meme classWhat? Executioner shotgun is the most generally useful weapon in the entire game. There isn't a single enemy type or range of engagement you cannot deal with when you are playing the po-po.
>>576845878Aww thanks.
>>576696918You shouldn't block with the shield any more than any other weapon. It's for stagger locking the world and occasionally flashbanging stuff with the weapon special.
>>576854502Ratclick launched with 15 classes.
>>576858291They're not the same as Darktide classes. You should probably equate one Darktide class to three Vermintide careers.
I hate zealot's charge and wish that it was just foot knight's simple charge. The whole lockon to an enemy and charge to them thing is retarded. Worse when you're charging at something but someone else kills it first and the charge just stops and now you're stranded in the open when you were supposed to be safely immersed in melee range of whatever group that you were charging at.
>>576858291You mean it launched with five classes that were arbitrarily split into subclasses instead of being part of the characters possible spec choices, the way it works in TD?
>>576858528No. One darktide career is equivalent to maybe 1.3 Ratclick careers. In practice there is usually only two or so truly serious ways to build your talent trees in shopclick. That's not much difference to players shifting their talents around in Ratclick. Ratclick just didn't pretend to have depth.The day one Ratclick classes provided far more gameplay variety than shopclick provides years after release.
>King Taal... in your name.
>>576843457They hate this man because he speaks the truth
>>576834098If you want skittles to waste his medicae charges willy nilly, then skitarii needs an innate way to regenerate blitz charges. This would also help with flamer skull and the other blitzes being of questionable value.
>>576833902They should be like norscan bulwarks and shielded stormvermin in Ratclick. Powerful shields that punish mindless autoclicker light spam, bit behind the shield they have the hp of a ordinary raider/stormvermin. Not done multi thousand hp bloated monstrosity like the shopclick vanguard
>>576860361>>576860361>>576860361>>576860361>>576860361MOVE!
>>576755680Fixing arby>remove lone wolf and all dog related talents>give the dog it's own talent tree like hive scum chemsFixed
>>576856514>>576856912By irrelevant he means doesn't fit into the solved and boring h40 meta
>>576806696It is the case though. There’s even studies that corroborate it iirc. The competency crisis is another aspect of this.
>>576852942Nah>>576827682>>576826000So that’s why we can kill monsters with a shiv…
>PBB>Rumbler>Power MaulYep, it's time to carry everything by a margin of at least 50% again
