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>>577171403It depends entirely on your party, there is no universally useless skill. Generally knights can be dismissed without heartache because most people aren't running a knight and those that are are using other moves than what can be inherited.
benis
Day 7 of farming 2000+ junk and 200+ golden pickaxes a day since I realized I don't have enough FAS to use on all the Relics I will likely want to Remake while Mr. Goblin is still around...
>>577172872>on all relicsThis is stupid.
>>577173006Reading comprehension swo
>>577171403EckhartEldoradoValdor
>>577167409My Benis has died at least 12 times since this event startedMC also died the same number since he ate a benis
>>577173291>ValdorA high level makaltu is still recommended to avoid deaths against some bosses.>EckhartAttract hit is niche, but lvl3 combos well with all around cover in short fights.I would dismiss Jarmil, Flut, Clarissa, Alex, Bibi, and a few Dino
>>577174975mc benis only gets erect like 20% of the time
>>577174975I warned you gwos
>>577174975I want them to run Old Ruins again just to hear the screams of lamentation from benis eaters
what would you say is the bare minimum set of inherits a new character needs if you plan to use them?let's be more specific and say Prishe in this instance
>>577175217You say that like I have enough patience to run through the old castle more than once.And like fuck am I going to use a guide either.
>>577175463You can still run most characters without any inherits. You should usually give them a trial run of a few months before heavily investing.I cleared A4 with knight Debra before I remembered to give her an Adam and sanctuary.
>>577175463There's no 'bare minimum', not having those passives doesn't make an adventurer unusable.Just go with Way of the Warrior, Wisdom of Truth and Sanctuary Blessing first which are relatively easy to obtain, then add more stuff like Cunning Pursuit, Follow Up Attack, Immortal Strike etc later.
>>577171403Alex - Stun BashJarmil - FeruFlut - MigalViviana - HidingClarissa - Self HealingEldorado - CoverMilana - Poison AttackGalina - DiosEulalia - Behind CoverEckart - Attract Hit
I would spend much more money on this game if we got JP prices and bundles. I'd spend 2 or 3 times what I do currently because I have enough disposable money to blow on gacha, just not enough to not consider the idea of exactly how many adventurer tags I get per $20.
>>577175463if I can I like to get lvl 3 of the good passives so like 6 copies of human-fig, dwarf-knigger, whatever hp/atk/aspd buffs are relevant. human-nin is mega valuable for that reason.
>>577176439meanwhile i spent 40$ and 40 hours to get 200$ in gplay gift card money that I then spent on mahjongsoul and a few purple 10 rolls for 7$.
benis...
>whales had to skillbind themselves in castle to avoid bricking with benis flash>whales have to skillbind themselves against tonberries to avoid bricking with benis flashhistory repeats itself
>>577178807Z2 and Z5 tonberries are a non-issue. NM priority attacks are usually a bigger threat to her.
Couldn't I just use my hand to reverse this
there is no way the spelunkers hat isnt a troll item and has actually hidden mining bonuses righttheyd never do something like that right
The next b&b collab has some big shoes to fill because imagine getting mogged by another franchise's ip
>>577179802>collab with FFXI>a game rife with hidden and unspoken effectsSavor the risk.
>>577180034Garbage is worth more than all of them put together.
>>577181283guess no harm in throwing it on masketta
>>577180034how about no, drecum ruined the b&B collabs and left a bad taste in my mouth with these shitty units.
The list grows, ranger mc fucking when?
So, is it better to have multiple characters with stealth or just have someone with a maxed out stealth.
>>577180034Collab is good but I don't give a shit about final fantasy or their characters. I wouldn't mind seeing a different coloured dragon behind the third door as long as Garbage is in it.
>>577182336Dark Knigga also feels like it’ll be a new class, since I feel like they wouldn’t make all those unique new skills for a collab unit only.Just not nearly as far along as Monk development wise.
What internal tags do Prishe's weapons have? I noticed that her class has an inherent buff to double-handed weapons, and I guess I hadn't made the connection even though you can't put Cestus + Shield on her. Do the Cesti count as Blunt, meaning Gerulf's fire attack can be put on her with the full bonus(2H + Blunt)?
is the 2nd part of the ffxi collab releasing tonight?
>>577183778Two more sleeps.Maybe a silhouette tonight if they feel cheeky. Probably nothing.
Prishe is a taco muncher
>>577183382i don't think they will add dark knight, isn't that mainly a final fantasy thing? i don't know what the wizardry equivalent would be. at least with monk it exists in both final fantasy and wizardry
>>577183739I don't think blunt is an actual weapon tag for multiple weapon types. Aren't hammers listed as "2h blunt" for the weapon type in the filters?
>>577179802>>577181283Maybe in part 2 there will be a way to upgrade them to optical hat and leaping boots for the stumbling sandals.
Is farming for 10 to 1 trades the only way to get fragments or do I need to actually get off my ass and clear A3?
>>577184792It’s been in a couple of J Wizardry games.
I wish we could have more formations than just 3 niggas in a row twice.Something like two niggas in 3 rows.
>>577185715hehmissed opportunity to not make zeid's signature weapon the kraken clubreinstate the BW+SE+kraken memes
>>577186195yes to the former due to the latter
>no gems to roll and fuck buying the ~10k gems I'd need>still can't decide if I want to take a collab character (in the likely event that the collab comes back in the future; and I have gems saved for disc/alts/class changes) or give MC Astral Break>>57718619510 to 1 is a joke considering they drop pretty much 50/50 and you'll want way more attests because you can trade them for Necropsyches.
Should I try to clear A2 to get better drops or does it not matter for how low I am? Also how am I supposed to find these crystals with the bugs Cait Sith gave me? I'm wandering where it glows purple and I can't find anything at all
>>577187148Nah, Zeid should definitely use that sword. I just don't know why they'd call it Abyssbringer when there was no Abyssbringer and the other -bringer swords didn't look like that. That model of sword would be Balmung to most, but also Dyrnwyn and Nullis. The most questionable thing to me was giving Prishe an Aeonic weapon without making others available even as gacha weapons.
>>577188934nevermind I found the crystal. It was hidden diagonally in a corner where the camera would miss it if I didn't manually look around
>>577189358I was mostly joking but yeah, I feel they've pretty much nailed everything outside of the gacha character discrepanciesPrishe and Iroha not getting a Relic weapon to go with is also an odd choice but we'll see if there's gonna be a 2nd batch.
So what's a good way to grind exp?
>>577191153Don't bother and just use whatever books you can from logins and events and wait for the semiannual EXP dungeons.
>>577191153if youre into the mining grind for FAS just kill whatever breathes while doing laps of f1 to f3
>>577188517You're gonna roll a dupe Arboris eventually. Meanwhile the collab units will be exclusive to reruns.
>>577188517I took Astral Break man and then luckshitted the ugly elf in a cheeky ten roll.>>577193061A good inherit is better than an adventurer rotting in the tavern.
>>577194247You're soulless...
>>577194247> the ugly elfBut what does Alice have to do with collab characters?
>A3 boss is raping me with the insta kill shithow do I prevent this?
>>577198006Prishe rape
>>577198793In the beginning or the end? Knight's defense will help with both. 2nd phase just wail on him. 1st phase you can just pray MC isn't targeted. Timing KD for the roar at the end can be difficult. You don't need to do much damage though once he's there so only a couple hard hitters need to survive.Also I miss the older abysses. I hope they release hard mode versions so there's a reason to revisit.
I forgot about trades! was busy at work!
Zeid rape
>>577198793Make sure you didn't fuck up corrosion so you aren't fighting a harder version of him that isn't required
They should really let you freely switch between skins for alts/ccs after you unlock them
>wait 2 hours or take a gambleWhat are the chances of a rez failing? If it's 50% or below I'll do it.
>>577203568Don't do it swo, chuck her corpse in the tavern and do an easy farm for two hours instead
>>577203568if you don't mind the money cost you can just gamble now. The first hit is free and you're technically only getting a spook cutscene. She'll still be there and you'll HAVE to wait for fort to come back because the next fail is the deletion though.
>>577204151yeah but if it fails he will have to wait until fort reaches 100 instead of just 50
>>577204357but that's the risk savoring
How difficult is the A4 GWO on the final run? I hate that he nukes my party every 3k damage I inflict. Also where to buy more of the ice scrapers for the fight?
>>577199035raping you, that is.
Before I go get my ass kicked and risk a big temple bill, what equipment is normal to bring to the Steel grade exam? Upgraded Steel? Shitty Ebon? Upgraded Ebon? I really thought I could grind out Ebon shit and go in all tough but the drops are so so ass and I don't particularly want to invest into shit gear when silver is so close.
>>577204961+5 or +10 is pretty low effort even for ebinsteel, if your current steel is stronger than that then you can probably keep using them. Steel exam is the 2nd to last grade test right? you'd want to gear up a little, the last 2 are not as free as the ones before them and it has a funny mechanic. You can test the waters yourself, it's not hard to sidestep the bill with just 1 flame since if you see yourself outmatched, just quit the exam.
>>577204961decent +10 steel or some shitty ebon will be good enough
first one in about 500 pickaxesshame its the shit one>drecum pls all i ask is hitting FASx3 once
They should add the backup enemies hitting from far away to the regular game encounters
>>577206024They should skin you and boil you alive in liquid shit
>>577206024First they should explain how that rabbit is chucking fireballs at me
>>577206024mmmmh nyo
>>577204476Healers makes it very manageable. Healer removes half of his moveset related to having characters frozen and they also block the confusion.Pace yourself better if madalto is 2-tapping your party.
>>577205812Honestly, I'm starting to think it might be more worth it to just exchange for Fey junk from the shop to use as extract fodder.Especially with how much Gil you can rake in off exchanges.
>>577206706nah, the amount of fey junk you get by just killing things on route to mining nodes is insane, 10 pickaxes aren't worth 1 fey junkthe thought of possibly never having to step in a den again for the next 10 years due to how much shit you actually get is worth it by itself, chance at FAS is just a cherry on top>by farming for the 7 relics i have about 2000 fey junk between normal light res and extinction weaps
>>577206587Was thinking of benching Yuzu and putting Anemone on the back line but need to gear her better. My fighters have too much DPS already so don't think I need Yuzu for this one.
>>577207045>10 pickaxes aren't worth 1 fey junkreverse this i had a brain fart
>>577207045Oh don't worry, the next tier of gear will need a new tier of ore so you can still be condemned to dens.
>>577207175I had no issue running healer, mage, priest,Ranger Yuzu + 2 fighters for the bondmate loops. I did bench her for a knight on the first clear but knights really aren't necessary now with Anemone.
So basically is it recommended to do all three routes for A2 before going through to A3? Trying to plan out my priorities since the FXII collab farming is time limited.
>>5772085932 routes unlocks your mage and priest lanterns but you can skip them to straight to a3.Clearing A2 pontiff route asap is more important than collab though.
>>577208745not him but is clearing it that important? I'm stopped in the middle of A2 right now.
>>577208745Is it so I can farm the skillbook? I went with Pulgritte cause she's cute. Trying to get the true ending right now.
>>577206024if they make all enemies visable, yes
>>577208379For my three runs I have been using 3 fighters + Yuzu + 2 mages. My mages also have their priests class to 70 and I read that the ghosts null physical damage so I'll keep them and replace Yuzu and hopefully I can scrape through. I hate farming the healer cave tho.
iroha's big bulging brown hairy butthole
>>577208593you don't really need to. But A2 church route has a good easy to get inherit as a reward that refreshes monthly and you put that on everyone.
>>577209001>Pulgritte cause she's cuteeveryone is saying this
Pulgritte fucks peasants
Where do you guys recommend routing through after finishing all your relics?Do you still just run it through the fifth floor and fight 8demons or is there some better floor for mining?
does beating A2 unlock better stuff than Steel drops from the event?
>>577210321So we have a chance?
>>577210404event drops is speculated to be tied to your grade, so beating A2 should give you access to the next grade. You'll get ebonsteel stuff maybe?
>>577208849>>577209001Monthly cooldown on repeat runs for the skill book.>>577209389MoF Lana can ohko the kids, save mage MP for the icicles. You want triple priest/healer/mage for more healing/support actions. Or include a staff+Madios on all the fighters.
>>577210404I started A3 and have Ebonsteel from the Tricolor Fey junk.
>>577210848what grade are you? I'm Iron in A3 and event is still dropping seedling(steel)
>>577210390I'm doing entrance to Z3, port up to 4 to check the node in front of harken and outthere aren't many mining spots on Z5 by itself, unless you need some spare fragments/papers for the Gil loop and want to strictly mine I'd avoid it
>>577210979I'm Iron as well, my Masketto is 48. I don't think I've even seen Seedling junk drop from the Event, just either Nether Hour or Tricolor Fey.How long have you been playing for? Do you have any gacha equipment?
>>577210390I just auto-farm the first floor because its the fastest way to pile up junkYou can mine anywhere and you will run out before trades are up and you get more golden pickaxes anyway
I literally cannot stop being carried by Yuzu
>>577214876She can carry 400+ pounds? Yuzu really does go all out.
>green niggers only ever drop 4 lantern things>upgrades require lanterns in increments of 5
Are you supposed to be able to walk over the holes in A3? Because I just did and now the game is bugging out and I can walk through enemies
>>577216481Just kill king green nigga for 6 instead
>>577217000uhhhh gwo....
is there any reason to take an off class priest and mage to any higher than 53 for Madi and 61 for Malefic Wind if you plan to swap them back?everything else seems class-specific unless I missed something>mostly referring to Alice and Sheli
Is the event better for farming silver gear if I'm at the yeti boss in A4?
>>577217619Off-mage very rarely wants madalto. No reason to pass up ambush res-up on off-priest.
>>577217906aight, guess I'll keep on grinding and take them both to 70 anywaythanks
>>577217765Relic weapons are certainly better than what you can farm. I'm not that far ahead of you in A4, but I feel like I'm getting slightly better silver drops, and that I was lucky if I saw a 2* at the yeti.
Do cesti drop from any junks?
>>577217765Probably, I'm rolling in purple 4* silver now>>577219109Collab junk has purple 4* silver cesti
>>577219109Yeah, junk in the event dungeon will drop them pretty infrequently but in theory you can go for a purple 4 star silver. They also drop in Ebon and Steel in you aren't that far in the main story.
>>577218957There are very limited fey junks available before route 7. The 4* rates in the drop rates refers to ebonsteel for anything less than fey.
>>577219109yea, I settled with a 3 star purple that had decent inital lines
is chronostasis good?
>>577219837yes
>>577219837When it works, yes. Less turns for the enemy means more turns for you.
>>577219109Purrhaps
>>577219837Yes, get lvl 2 (both nodes in Well)
Blacksmith upgrade discount ends soon and I wont have a relic or Silver Fist to upgrade.
perra
>>577220871Honestly I question if level 2 is worth it, does it actually delay more? Because the damage is ass either way. I'm not convinced the extra SP cost is worth it over an extra use or two of lv1 in a long fight.
what's your strategy for fighting 8 demons? I can't seem to reliably do it without at least one person dropping. Steel grade btw
>>577221010I don't know but I've never heard of anyone using lvl 1, so I blindly put my faith in the masses, because when has that ever steered anyone wrong
>>577221396I hit them till they stop moving. I wish I could give you an actual strat but I really do just beat them to death. If you are struggling best I could advise is try status effects and see what lands. Sleep or confusion, if they work, would probably help a lot. And obviously try not to fight them while aggroing other shit so you don't get raped by arrows and fireballs.
>>577221396AoE spam.Yuzu hue, Rinne threefold, Yrsa scatter shot, MC MoF, Iarumas Ichimonji, and then Benis ESS.I grinded alabaster for quite a while so all my characters move before the demons.After a round of attacks, usually only 1~3 demons are left so they can't do much.
>>577221396Besides using Sleep, Cortu, Knight's Defense, and having more EVA on the frontline, and light-type weapons at Ebon, there isn't much you can really do except get better gear / skills rolling.
>>577221396my strat probably wont help you but I do>hue3>katino>ichimonji slashand the other 3 clean up the rest, I mostly have the priest(casting katino in fight) so I have someone to heal out of combat if I get nuked by fireballs from the extra packs
>Fight 3x Tonberries>Last guy in the stabbing distance>Stun him>Kill him>He still do the faggot throat stab thingy on death>Kill MC just as battle ends>Send the game into a glitched state where I cannot revive or accept death>Need to do a forced recoveryI fucking hate drecom so much
>>577222002If you switch to login from another device it usually fixes it without having to FR
>>577221396>hero's medicine>lahalito>thousand hue>PAOS x3 (on the big ones)Leaves 1-3 of the weak ones left for auto attacks.
>>577221396>benis MoF>lana MoF>yuzu scattershot>MC unending>pick off the rest with normal attacks
>>577221396Wide Volley Benis with light bow, buffed by Lana and AltAdam deletes 1 whole row consistently.Budget version is probably with Debra and Elise.
>[incomprehensible babble from 5 characters talking all at once]>...>DANDELIONS BREATH
>>577221396>Thousand Hue>Agora Blast>Poised Strike from every fighter for the rest
Fairy onahole rerun fucking when? Please put her in the anni bone selection drecum. I don't even care that apparently gearing her is aids.
>Done with all relics, leveling Prishe to 70, maxed 3* purple cesti, got all bondmates to level 5It was pretty fun I guess, but I can't be fucked to mine for FAS. Hopefully part 2 either adds a lot of new stuff to do or barely anything so I can put the game on the backburner again
>>577223407Gearing her is worse than aids but it's okay, she's cute and her constant commentary is fun.
>>577175463You don't have a serious character until they have Wisdom of Truth, Sanctuary's Blessing and Way of the Warrior (if melee). You don't have a serious caster without an Alice inherit.
>>577223697Way of the knigger is way more important than way of the warrior. Also alice inherit goes on literally everyone, no exceptions since scrolls exist.
>>577223697gwo your debra inherits?
>>577223807Way of the Knigger is the most important inherit in the game, but realistically you only get it like once a year unless you're a luckchad (I've had only ever had 2), so you have to cope with the others.>>577223865Debra is only needed on farmers. Yuzu, Abe, Lana and MC and that's it basically forever. I have it on Amelia and Shiou instead because I'm a beastwoman FUCKER.
>>577221396Mine is>flash, sometimes needs oblivion, kills 1>secret laforos, kills 0>continuous deaths any stacked column except left one, kills 2>wide volley, kills 3-4>2x auto attacks, kills 1-2If I have initiative>MoF>Wide volley>enable auto attack
next event phase will make the farming easier right bros?
bibi alt silhouette soon i'm coping
>>577221486I use lvl 1 because my lantern count is 48 and I don't think I can reach all 3 slayer nodes + either nin or sam AND still reach the 2nd chrono node. Works well enough for me
>>577221010You need lvl 2 to actually skip an enemy's turn. Lvl 1 is usually barely noticeable on that turn.
>>577221396>yuzu hue>mc hue>debra wide volley with a light bow>hein wide volley>lana ess>elise ess
>>577226745Don't give up hope.
Ragnarok and Claustrum ended up being a lot better than I expected. Ragnarok easily invalidates the P2W warblade.I almost regret not using an FAS.
>the fucking petrify cows in A3holy shit I'm so pissed off right now
>>577229120Your Benis?
>>577229120You should already be used to the boss ones from LeBicken, making the A3 ones non-threatening.
>>577228551ragnarok has a really good skill cause surety buff and it hits hard
>>577229223>LeBickenwhat?
>>577229337The skill is still weaker than PAOS1 but I could see myself using it against some of the cyclops fights to get enough surtey.>>577229415Elmon sidequest for the faewood armor. You didn't leave her dead in A1, did you?
>>577229120Cows are weak to confusion. They won't use their breath while confused.
>>577229514the elmon side quest came out well after A3 launched, he's most likely going to see them in A3 first, stop confusing the poor gwo
>>577230164it might have come out long after A3 released, but the entry requirement is literally Elmon = not dead and you entered A3 at all. Swo probably is just rushing the main abyss for the collab though, which is understandable
What it this 0,23 gb update? Stealth content?
>>577231954benis
>>577232106that's a rather small benis
Pls JD, buff her tomorrow.
>>577233685next level cap like they did with the fatty giant jailbait
>VIT boon big guy
>>577234358>very next bone is STR boon with 9 bpkekI don't even want him
>>577233685It's really obvious when they AIslopped the design huh
I should buy the fighter book for Lanavaille right?
>>577235029yes
>>577234505i still can't believe people attempted to gas up zeid when the playerbase (me included) would never touch dwarves like gerulf with a 10 foot pole
>>577235724It's subversive Gilliongays at it again
>>577235724>>577236896Zeid won
>>577237035Female adventurers won
>>577236896Ashas hefty ashas...
>>577237035>prishe has nearly 500 votes putting her at SS and nearly 400 at S>zeid has 270 at SS and 240 at S>but noooo he is higher tier gwosGaMecH hOmoS
>>577237203
>>577237035Zeid seems like the best pick at a glance.Prishe takes forever to set up, Iroha apparently sucks, while Zeid is just a fighter but FAT.A hard to kill fatty with decent damage is a good slot for any situation.
>>577237239>voting or voters>everI thought this thread was old enough to know better
>>577237239I noticed IM the only one who ever brought up the voted on bullshit until now very strange
>>577237505General consensus is far more valuable than tier lists. Much less vulnerable to one autist tanking or raising the rating of their waifu/husbando. It's obviously not a perfect thing, but when comparing two characters that came out around the same time it's useful.
>>577237035Giga retarded tier list. There is no universe in which Zeid outclasses a single one of those characters. The only argument I can see in his favor is that having access to not-ESS before A4 is busted, but that's it. Endgamewhise general adventurer fighters mog him. Speed is just too important. Also self-buffing is a meme, he needs an Alice inherit and probably scroll dumps for his shit to be worth it.
why do people hate Iroha so much? Is being locked to spears that bad?
>>577237845She has nothing special about her. That makes your random d9 general fighter infinitely more useful.
>>577237804let me help you since you don't know what you're talking about.>Sp gain tool>700 hp at d0>104 Str >Def pen attak>Poise>Hard hitting Inh>Unique way of the thief passive>A surety bondmate Only he has access toIs he the strongest character in the game? noBut he's definitely the best collab unit until prishe gets help from the monk class.
>>577221396i just auto them and im not even a whaleyou guys suck
>Your girls leave the Adventure's Guild with the clientThis sounds so NTRish...
Why does Iroah's passive need 100 fort? Just make it once per battle.
>>577238806Yuzu...
>>577237035i will never understand the obsession japs have with alt shiou. every part of her kit is an objective downgrade from regular shiou's.
>>577238135>SPIn a universe where you get 3 Nourishing Draughts a day this is worthless. Specially since you want your supports to replenish your damage dealer's SP.>HPAnd? My D9 Chloe has 780 HP. You'll get every single general fighter beyond that level. Of course if you whale Zeid then yeah he gets a ton of HP, but that's not the argument is it?>104 StrMOGS my Chloe why a WHOPPING 3 Srt. Also you can be picky with general fighters and eventually invest in a high BP Str Boon one, whereas with Zeid you have to cross your fingers and not get a Piety brick.>Def pen attackAbsolutely necessary when competing with a class that uses 2H Axes as meta. Come on man.>PoiseUhuh. Like all other fighters.>InheritAgree. Also a point against him. Why invest in him when inheriting him to a Ninja is better?>Way of ThiefYou got me on this one. That's good. My Amelia does this too however , so it's not unique to him.>BondmateCool add an extra 5 Surety to his kit. Broken.Prishe may have her issues but she also has Asura 3 dealing 15K damage every 2 turns, and is a low investment option when compared to Samurais who need Bamboo lvl 3. She has an actual role inside a team. Zeid is an evil frontliner who falls off and will get looped by every late game boss. He's useless for farming too. If you giga invest him then yeah, cool, but that's also the same Ainikki argument where a D9 Ainikki with a bunch of whale passives is one of the best units in the game, while a D0 shitter might be the worst legendary in the game. A low investment Zeid is a noob crutch until he becomes inevitable inherit bait in A4.
>>577237035How is Alice still that high
>>577239273Timer extension is just that strong.The less time you spend buffing and debuffing, the more time you have for healing and killing shit.
>>5772392735 turn aspd buffs have been trivializing shit since A3 True End was 'hard' that's how
>>577239238>T-that doesnt matter>Muh d9 character is a good as a D0 >T-thats more than my chloe...>SO WHAT IF HE HAS THAT>everyone has that so it shouldn't count>good point But ninjas can do a whole 30% less damage with it>My amelia can.. what do you mean its a unique way of the thief that only he has>So what if he gets free stats for being him >Now prishes thats a broken chaaracter it only needs 4 different buffs, multiple turns and actual whaling backed by above average gear
>>577239273
>>577240312Both inherit fodder.
>>577233685she's cute so she wins
Anniversary will add a lonewolf mode for Masketta man.+ASPD+1 action per round
3 digit strength, and without any bondmates
>>577239273Turn economy is king on turn-based games. Alice is the turn economy queen who also buffs evil backliners, which include the best damage dealing unit in the game.
>>577242445>I.Q. 29No thoughts, head empty.
>>577242445sex
>>577242928anon, that's a married woman
>>577243158Widows are made for sex
You actually can get Lfas from dispatches.
silhouette in t-95 minutes
Samurai Gillion using night-bearer + bamboo splitter absolutely rapes tonberrys, I can take care of the three packs with him with no issues. Probably the one time sam Gillion will ever actually better than fighter Gillion.
>>577244737>merely 3 turns before you can start attackinggigabrick
>>577244803yeah and every turn after you can do 5000+ damage I have aboris to help speed him up at the start but even without that it's still good and more damage than I was getting when I was using fighter gillion for the same fights
>>577244952>yeah and every turn after you can do 5000+ damagehave you tried using paos?
I'm doing the faction quests in A2, can I curse wheel to the GWO after doing the viscount quest or do I have to trudge through the Abyss?
WHERE IS THE NYOLHOUETTE
https://x.com/i/status/2087464628578344989
>>577250459>no summer pussyNYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>577250459They not gonna add 7 more relic weapons...right?
>>577250945Probably just the third route and a refresh of some of the shop items. I'd be surprised if they add another set that's for the rerun
>>577250531You already know Drecum is planning something nefarious with a summer Shelli, Yuzu alt into anni Legendary, rapidfire release to force you to use THAT.
>>577251551
How many days
>>57725308018 hours and 1 minutes before Drecum starts the update.21 hours and 1 minutes until we can play the second part of the collab.
>>577253356>he thinks there won't be extended maintenance
The website is getting updated toohttps://x.com/Wiz_Daphne_en/status/2087479527727677711[Announcement: Official Website Revamp]The official Wizardry Variants Daphne website is scheduled for a revamp on August 13 (JST). Due to the revamp, the official website and related pages, including those for the Payment Services Act and Specified Commercial Transactions Act, may be difficult to access for several minutes.We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and appreciate your understanding.
>>577238135>>Hard hitting InhIs this for only dark character or anyone? I need something better than astral break on my thief. It does very meh damage.
>>577221396Two samurai with ichimonji slash.
>5.5k surety with poised strike ragnyaroknyice
>try to do the princess quest on A4>cyclops one hits my party with his spinning attackWould changing Lana to knight be enough or is this quest only for the whales with good gear/stats?
>>577203568It's a sign for you to take a break anon.Go stretch or eat or drink irl before going back into the caverns.
returning player hereare VIT and resistance still brick stats?
>>577262401Dispeling the concentration buff+knigger defense is usually enough.
>>577251551>force
How big of a difference is using a FAS on a relic? I only have one. These things are super rare.
>mogged by a fucking chest
>>577264093Like ten points or so.
>>577264093It’ll trend to ~4 extra stat points per line.More if you’re a luckGOD.
>>577264093Same as any other Silver weapon. The same amount it might go up when you upgrade to 5, 10, 15, or 20, but again. So for most flat stats anywhere between 3 and 13 extra points. For other stats like ASPD and SUR it's 1-4.
I think there's something wrong whit my Masketta....
>>577240173What people forget is Zeid is legit broken with Wilds Strike since he doesn't care about the speed debuff. 6k damage every turn casually.
>>577266308>wanting to go so slowly you starting missing turns in each round
>>577241545That's way to based to ever happen, would be kino though.
>>577263216yea
>>577265941>fighter masketta be like
>>577265941Looks like a gimp...
>>577265941This Masketta looks like he belongs in the mines, to never see the light of the sun again until he’s reincarnated as a desert shota again.
how are you gwos enjoying the last day off before we get 7 more relics to grind tonight>pls kikoku and spharai
>>577268305I enjoy my days by not grinding in wizardry variants daphne
>>577266534Is that even possible?
>>577268753Yeah, if you go fast enough you lap the enemy and if you slow enough you get lapped.
Is everything in A3 highly sleep resistant?
dios level 2 is a scam
>>577271630Most level 2s are a scam. For like every skill and spell the effect to MP/SP cost is most efficient at level 1 and you get worse and worse and worse returns, but to move HP bars in as few turns as possible, you pay that SP/MP premium. Dios level 3 is an even bigger "scam" than level 2, but it will more consistently top off your HP in one turn.
>>577271446for the most part, yesyou'll have better luck with KANTIOS (Confuse) which is a bit more consistent against key enemies like the Gorgons
I hope next update bring BCNMs. For the one non XI player, you use specific items to enter an instanced NM fight against specific set of NMs.
>>577272529no thanks i don't wanna farm 8000 kindred seals 5 at a time off a 50% drop rate chest for a 1% chance at a weapon
>>577272854I'm sure JD would have a drop rate pass and make them tradable.
>restructure my party because I was warned that niggas can't cast spells underwater>flooded areas have the leaky statues right next to the entrance lolwtf
>got sandwiched by 2 scorpion packs and had to accept my first death>can't play for 5 hours because I went through so many rezzes trying to kill one of them and half my team is at 0 fortI hate A3
>>577274064>scorpion packs>A3I legit don't remember
>>577266308Wild strike has a surety penalty, which is really bad in general, but especially bad when one of Zeid's upsides is doing more damage than other characters on a surety. Zeid also has some of the highest WT in the game because of his low aspd, so he will suffer more than the majority of other units when incurring Wild Strike's 100% increase to self WT.
elvaans are supposed to be lanky like elezens rightthey look really good in wiz daphne
>yfw the new Monk class isn't for another 6 months and anniversary brings Bard instead
benis wenis
>>577276212I'm still waiting for ranger MC.
New bones, ores and normal exp books in the Exchange
>>577276560>ores and exp bookswho cares
>>577276212Bard comes with Alice Alt Style.
i haven't even started farming gil
>>577276212Linaria bard!she actually gets non-hostile skill based buffs and debuffs!
>>577277286bwo... trade refresh is on a 20h cooldown. Unbrick yourself asap.
>>577277286I completely forgot to be using the exchange to get gil, I just used it for a couple attestations. I have a billion coins and shells and shit to trade away for gil but I'm not paying to refresh the list, which does not auto refresh for whatever reason.
>>5772775712 brown buttholes
>poor>get's made fun for being poor>talks about how he's so poor to buy a shop permit>pays me the entire GDP of the kingdom every time i help him fish in a caveT-thanks i guess?...
>>577277536but i need that stuff to upgrade the weapons....
>>577277540I think its worded wrong. The first refresh is free and if you want to do it again while timer is on it costs gems.
>>577278269It is worded wrong but what I mean is that I have the materials to spam exchanges and get loads of gil today, get the new bones and maybe new relics that come out, and whatever. I'm not going to do that though because I have a few weeks and getting a little gil each day is fine.
>>577277879Sorry masketta man, the entire kingdom is still recovering after rescuing the king, 4000 gold is all we can offer.
>>577277879He's poor FOR A MERCHANT. You are an adventurer. You aren't even on the level of a mcdonalds employee. You're basically a gig worker. This guy is the bottom bidder for prime real estate in new york city.
>2 LFAS used>first LFAS basically +1 on some line, 2nd LFAS finally changed the atk from +9 to +11 and sur from +5 to +8>altered the 3rd line to be atk, +5>only +3-4 for each line after enhancingfuck off JD these LFAS things are a nothing burger.
>>5772797892nd LFAS changed the sur line from +5 to +6 I meant
>>577279789A-Anon? You are supposed to use FAS. LAS are for rerolling generic purple or blue 4*s with bad initial blessings, not rerolling fixed shit.
>>577279789uhhh do you know what lfas does
>>577280069>>577280093fffffffuck so I wasted 4 of these
>>577280190More or less, yeah. But honestly they probably would've rolled duds if you used them properly anyway. It's a gamble.
>>577280190It's fine, you get a lotFAS are what's rare, so rare I've been farming nonstop in collab dungeon for a week, breaking gold pickaxes left and right and NOTHIN'
>>577279789LFAS rerolls the initial blessings (see image)FAS rerolls the initial blessings too (I think) but also adds one enhancement roll to every statline
>>577280190Back to the mines bro. They drop 3 at a time.
>>577280190swo......
>>577280434i'm about 700 pickaxes in and hit a LFAS once
>>577282440I'm thousands in and same
>>577280190peak swo behaivour
ive mined an lfas 3 times, and each time it was tripled by a gold pickaxe.i used all 9 on a 5 star ring i got from alabaster and they all rolled like shit.
Can more then one special demon show up in a zone or is it one and done then move on?
>>577283554Yes.There’s typically at max 3 spawns per floor per day though.Today’s spawns.Red in column three can be respawned, others are once only today in that spot, and will randomly spawn on entering the dungeon.
>>577283798>only some spawn points can respawnWHY ARE THEY MAKING IT HARDER THEN IT NEEDS TO BE!?!
>>577284397tomorrow we get a better farmtrust the plan gwo
>>577284397embrace the NM lottery
>>5772837981,2,5 isnt too bad. NMs are close on first 2 floors.
>>577283798>Red in column three can be respawnedHow do you do that? Killling every enemy near them and change floor to respawn the NM?
>Was told that dodging becomes shaky in A3, effectively useless in A4>And that Iroha is just for when you're a noob in A1>Have done the first area of A4>Savia is still dodging everything consistently>Also Iroha is my top DPSI think they were just trying to gatekeep waifus.The secret ingredient is grinding out equipment sets that nobody wants but them that would effectively be useless when they're not in your party
So Drecum wants me to buy the pass for some Gil...
a lot of traffic jams tonight
>>577285795You want at least 120 EVA in A3. 150 is the ideal though.
Etrian Odyssey collab fucking when
>>577285815More missions will come tonight with the 3rd lap of the dungeon.
>>577285609There are placeholder enemy spawns that only pop if the NM can respawn.It’s typically 2 rabbits or a handful of goblins.And if the entire floor is cleared out you can just walk back and forth between placeholders and eventually the NM will spawn.8 demoniggas is faster typically though.
How many hours to the update and also why do so many fucking games like this make the update time different from daily reset time?
>>577287101never, atlus has killed the franchise
>>577286156>A rock flies in>A rock flies in>A rock flies in>A rock flies in>O SPIRIT WHO DEFIES DEATH
>>577288486Daily reset is late or early in the morning as future proofing so the minimum number of people get screwed if sometime gets cut off or reset by the reset in the future.Updates are at noon or the early afternoon so it’s there when people get off of work to enjoy it immediately.
>>57728848610 hours and 46 minutes
>>577286156Clearing a conga line of demons it's pretty fun.
>>577288409Are you supposed to kill the place holders for the NM to respawn?
>>577290894Yes.
>>577291301Alright, thank you.
This collab event has powerleveled my account as a whole more in one week of degenerate grinding than what I've achieved in the last 6 months playing the game.Between the quantity of Fey junk for Alter/Refine stones and usable silver gear, the mining, the relics, even just clearing floor1 to 2 for 300k EXP per round that doesn't fall off, It's gonna be so rough when this is over.
>>577277879Wizardry Variant Daphne 2 will have an accurate economy.It will also be an openworld sandbox game a la Elona/Kenshi
>>577294071I look forward to starting an elf farm.
>bought flames for 100 gems because I didn't want to wheel back>was stuck in a deathloop so it didn't matter anywayok last time I do that
>>577298368Could have waited 2 hours to use your hook of harken. Or forced recovery if you can't even open the menu before the fight.
>>577298368>he doesnt carry a hook of harken with him at all timesLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>577299745>Or forced recovery what's that?>>577300890nah I couldn't select the hook fast enough before it started combat
>>577301362From the main menu, you can reset yourself once per day. It's a mix of accept death and a harken. You keep your current status but sometimes lose a bit of story progress.So if you trigger it at the start of a fight right after using a flame, everyone will be warped back to town perfectly healthy.
Any Savia enjoyers? Thinking about building her because she looks cool, unsure what to go for. Pulled a copy off a random boners2.
Are you prepared for tomorrow?
>>577303653>120 attestationsgod i wish that were me
what's the point of knights? They feel way too squishy for how much damage they lose.
>>577304421They are Knight's Defense machines for specific boss battles.
>>577303030Backline evasion tank knight with spear, full luck investment, is the usual way to go. People say evasion is dead in the current endgame but Savia and Debra are exceptions since they can reach really high evasion (300+) which is useful for some superbosses and their alts have damage skills that scale with evasion.You can also go full strength backline thief, but she has low iq and therefore lower detect which isn't great for opening chests. Also Thieves can't equip spears so it basically means she has a wasted passive. You still want to class change for Way of the Thief though.Pull for her alt later during the rerun, trades cool armor for boobs and thighs but also gives her a decent damage option with evasion scaling. Also inherit 1 copy of Alice to her, helps with her signature skill.
>>577304421they come online at levels 51 and 67 when they get knights defense and all around cover. until then they're bricks.
>>577305185Ayy lmao
>>577303030I keep Savia in my team all the time, she's my favorite. By the A4 for her to dodge, even if you build her equipment for dodge you do need to be using spells like Dilto and Masolotu on top of her BBF so it disrupts the rhythm and party composition than most people care for/are used to but since she can technically hit as many times as there are enemies so it does balance out not attacking with the support characters most of the time. Her counter ignores a certain amount of defense so you don't need to worry about raw attack blessings, but surety is nice and obviously evademaxx. She can do fun shit like counter tentacles in the gatekeeper fight, but there are some fights where you have to either bench her or just repeatedly spam Knights Defense and you have to be okay with that. Feed her an alice so she can taunt one turn, block the next turn and then do counters with openings and do big damage.
>>577305185masketta-san... you're looking taller today...
>Mined first zone without breaking even single pickaxe
>>577304750>>577305509interesting, thank you
>>577304750I know accepted practice is backline her because in a lot of cases enemies will face an accuracy penalty for trying to reach her, but I leave her up front anyway. Her taunt (like all taunts) does not guarantee the enemy becomes affected and also does not guarantee they will only attack her if they are affected. The attacks that she can dodge tend to be weighted towards the frontline for targeting so in the event that enemies are not forced to attack her, she maximizes her chances of being attacked by being in the front. Also Behind cover does nothing if you're in the back row so it adds to the chance of her getting hit if someone attacks your priest or whatever and she steps in, dodges, and then counters.
Posting this one more time before the update since it took some time to write it all:Assume "Major physical/spell attack with high accuracy" in every ability.>Spharai [hand-to-hand) - (cesti)Final Heaven: Inflicts Skill-binding / Spell-bindingPassive: Counter-attack>Guttler [axe] - (1H axe)Onslaught: Reduces enemy attack and increases user attackPassive: Bleed>Bravura [great axe] - (2H axe)Metatron torment: Reduces enemy defense and increases user defensePassive: Decreases enemy evasion>Apocalypse [scythe] (spear)Catastrophe: Increases user action speedPassive: Reduces enemy accuracy>Gungnir [polearm] - (spear)Geirskogul: Inflicts StunPassive: Reduces enemy defense>Kikoku [katana] - (ninjato)Blade: Metsu: Inflicts Skill-Binding / Spell-BindingPassive: Inflicts Paralysis>Mjollnir [club] - (1H mace)Randgrith: Reduces enemy evasionPassive: Restores MP over timeThe ones we are not getting:>Annihilator [gun]>Gjallarhorn [instrument]
>>577307920i dont give a shit about the passives or actives, i just really hope the relic cesti has good blessing lines. if they brick it with double eva or aspd eva im gonna be fucking pissed.
>>577307920>[scythe] (spear)Not gonna happen. Apocalypse is a Dark Knight weapon so it'd have to be something Zeid could equip in theory, that means 2H sword, 2H Axe, or 2H blunt. Probably 2H blunt since there is no other relic 2H blunt but there are the others.
>>577306990what are your thoughts on giving her Exca/Aegis unaltered, so keeping the EVA lines and frontlining?I've made those but as it stands it looks like they'll just rot in storage, and she's D0Even with bad rolls it's going to be in the ballpark of 40ish EVA at least
>>577309159Letting her frontline with sword and shield is what you have to do sometimes against casters or whatever. Technically you could/should swap to a different knight in those instances but if she has good inherits like Adam or whatever you'll want to keep her. As for dodge tanking with sword and shield, you'd need some good rolls. her passive by itself is 16 points of Evasion. A Silver spear before blessings has 5 evasion, Excalibur and Aegis have +2 and -1 respectively so there's a gap on the equipment base stats. You could do it for sure, but it's not pure profit.
is 40 too low for A3? I'm getting bootyblasted.
>>577311015Yeah I'm aware numbers wise it would take very high rolls and maybe even a FAS on both to potentially compete.There's also the fact that boners2 kind of suck so a dupe would have to come from the 150 summons to unlock her D1, which is.. a while, to say the least. overall I'm happy my misclick ended up with someone fun to potentially build, but also seems an "all in or not" kind of character
>>577303030>>577304750Also you can use her cool dragoon armor with the alt skill since alts just change passives, once you merge you keep the damage skill no matter what form you're inIt's great too, damaging taunt that scales with atk and eva
>>577311996yes
Ouuuuuhhhh the risk.... I'm savoring....
>>577312071Yeah, she definitely does ask more of you than most. Especially when you consider secondary things like how you should really get higher levels of support spells like masolotu which means skill books. That said I have found her very much worth it, and it's not really any extra effort for someone just starting out. It's just that once you've already gone down the path of gathering these skill and that gear and everything a "normal" party needs switching up is kind of a pain.
>>577306990Yeah she's perfectly usable as a frontliner, but I assume most people still gravitate to good-front evil-back. We really need more formation buff options.
>>577314750>mixing alignmentsYou disgust me.
>>577312247what's a good place to level from 40 to 50?
>>577313373Oh yeah, what goodies did the FF11 players get from Wizardry?
>>577314750i don't play neither Lana or Alice, so i don't give a fuck about alignments
>>577312071>seems an "all in or not" kind of characterIf it makes you feel any better, this applies to almost every character in the game that isn't Alice, a fighter, or a healer.
>>577314750>>577315640shit, meant for >>577315182
>>577315481collab seems to be insanely good expjust rush floor1 packs over and over
>>577315481https://wizardry.fasterthoughts.io/strategies/farming/#experience-farming-repel-enemy-forces
>>577315926The collab is not scaling with me once I reached Iron so a pack is giving like 500xp.
>>577305724Finally finished this Zone 1-5 run, entered with 40 pickaxes in bag and exited with 20 after mining 52 times, pretty good result.
>>577303653nnnyes
>>577316819Did you already finished current relics?
>>577315614Just the mask. The game is a little too jank and ancient to be adding much more than that.
>>577276212Ulmia my beloved
You have been visited by the Blessing of Absolute Demon Assblasting.Gaping Demon assholes will spread wide open for you but only if you reply "Thank you Agora"
Fuck off you evil goblin, Agora.
any of you losers mine a FAS yet?
>>577322435First off I am not a loser and second no I have not.
>>577303030I like Savia, I built mine as a normal knight for the most part and I have her swap dagger+aegis for guardian blow / knight stuff and a spear if I just need her to kill something with an autoher eva niche is pretty useful in a few places, I keep it in storage unless I'm in one of those placesI use her in the front row and have behind cover7 on hersaved mcs life a few dozen times
how many hours until next phase?
>>577328440Like 7.
>>577328440
>>577330156Time to take some sleeping pills so it can be tomorrow already
How do you guys build the relicbow? ASPD > Accuracy?
>>577330792I'm thinking Attack to make it a more general purpose option good for anyone that might be using a bow, especially since I don't have any rangers.
>>577245539well you know, thats probably his damage BEFORE surety
>>577331961What is the manga even about bruh I thought they already fought the Scorpion woman
How do I make Linaria useful? I want to keep using her because reasons, but thieves seem to be kind of iffy.
>>577332132Give her a bow and then either inherit DTS3 or Poison Attack 5+.
>recommended zeidalright sounds ok but hes a bit slow>say to use wild strike on himalmost like you want to get twice or even thrice lapped on his already slow ass
>>577330792If you want to give it to a Ranger, which is probably the best use case, yeah. Accuracymaxx for more damage. If you're planning to give it to a thief just because you have one that you're really invested in you can drop accuracy for surety.
>>577332251DTS3?
>>577332651Decisive Torso Strike 3.
>>577332132Relic bow. It is all the damage a thief needs but burns SP quickly.
>>577332132you inherit ballad to alice
>>577332132Her buff is a true damage buff, not an attack buff so she's already useful, you just put her behind the DPS you're really invested in and dump buffs onto to carry you. If attack spells ever become useful, she also buffs those so her value goes up there. Her passive largely amounts to "sometimes you get an extra turn after Ballad" since she has so few other moves that proc it, but sometimes your turn one being able to both Ballad and hide is nice.
>>577333170>inherit a skill to foodWhy on earth would you ever do that? Inherits don't get passed on when you then feed that Alice to someone else.
>>577330792I was planning on aspd to acc if I build it
>>577333170As an Alice enjoyer, I agree with this statement.
>>577332853Why that one? Also how much does Poison Attack 5+ do?
>>577333349It is true damage but falls off very quickly outside of A1 (only +150 flat damage at LVL 7). It's the type of buff that is useless until monk gets their ultimate 20-punch-combo.
>>577333438alice isnt foodshes so overtuned that almost all other support characters exist solely to be fed to her instead
>>577336176Nope. Alice is for dinner.
>>577331961nice butt
>>577335552Is it truly only flat damage? Pretty much every applied buff in this game is flat and percent together, I just figured flat was the bigger part of the equation for her. If so that sucks.
>>577338220It is both flat and %, but both are quite low. It is nothing compared to Anemone or red beard inherits with +15%
I ate Alice
I use Alice in my party pretty much 100% of the time but every pull past that is food. Her skill can be leveled with books. Anyone who applies a buff, to themselves or others needs a copy of her and that includes anyone who has eaten an Arboris.
I ate benis
me everytime I see a benis poster
>>577338220There is a reason amenone is whale team CORE and linaria never shows up at all.
>>577339576I hope Linaria actually gets a good alt then because those tits shouldn't be wasted.
>>577307920I hope there is an easier way to farm mats or getting the 3 new must have items is going to be a pain.
If Alice is food then who's a better Priest?
>>577339909Alice alter.
>>577339909>running priest
so do we know yet if the free selector characters have gimped stats yet? i want to know before i uncap my iroha to 70
>>577332132Her Ballad giving flat atk buffs means its more effective on multi hitting attackers. Pair her with Yuzu/Prishe/Raven Dagger Ninja. Also thieves can use rods, so you can build her as a full support bard if you really want to go all the way.Inflate her mp pool with relics/bondmates and master ring, feed her a Redbeard and Alice, and try to get Porto/Astral Break on her. She's potential woman right now, if she gets a good cc and alt she could be one of the best supports if you don't want to bend over for Agora.
>>577339909Many people dropped Priests for Healers, but Alice is the best priest. If you really feel like the inherit is worth your only copy of her, then Yekaterina is a good 2nd place. Fewer ambushes and even more stronger-er against undead.
>>577340371which characters can be healers?
>>577340820The Legendary Anemone and the General Camile.
>>577339909Alice is the best right now and will probably be for a long time if not forever.The good thing is though, her real value only really shines in bossfights, 90% of the time the usual mob fights last less than 2 turns. So you aren't losing out if you want to use a different Priest.>But 10% damage for backrowTrue, but at some point your damage is going to be enough/overkill for regular encounters so that the 10% isn't needed. Which again, means her real value is in bossfights.
>>577340260Why does everyone think it would give you gimped stats?
>>577340337>Pair her with Yuzu/Prishe/Raven Dagger NinjaThe multi-hit attacks usually have big enough damage that red beard is better.These are guesstimate numbers but Linaria's ballad struggles to compete with a lvl 1 redbeard inherit (15%)>Ballad 1 (6%+40) - worse than rebellion after 511 per hit (444 pre-buff)>Ballad 3 (9.5%+75) - worse than rebellion after 1700 per hit (1364 pre-buff)>Ballad 5 (29%+115) - my numbers must have been bad when testing the trial back in March to get this result>Ballad 7 (34%+160) - probably also wrong
>>577341993because of the free Camille, iirc correctly however, an anon in a previous thread claimed to have lvled a selector prishe with normal stats
>>577342145Redbrick is exactly that, you would use anemone and scrolls, not redbrick's skill.
>>577340260compare your selector iroha to other irohas here:https://www.daphne-checker.com/en/compare
Alice is the one who feasts tonight.Anemone and Linaria are spared because once I get another Arboris to feed to Alice, there will be no way she can apply all the buffs herself.>>577342828Inherited Anemone is a niche spell>front row only>4 turns (3 actions) and unaffected by Agora>can only extend by a single turn per extra castYou would only want to use it during a boss's final phase.
>>577340820Realistically it's just Camille because Anemone is legendary AND you have to farm fairy gear specifically for her, but camille is very good.Downside is healers don't get buffs and they're a bit squishier than priests.
>>577343428Plus you don't get Anemone hyping you up>Awaken in full POWER OF THE HERO!
>>577343595>Downside is healers don't get buffsJD gives you a chance to fix that once every 3 months. But the issue is that you have to wait for a character to not get a priest CC before you invest the book>Still waiting on Ainikki, Linaria, Anemone, and Camille CCs
>>577342145I don't have numbers to argue against but seems fair enough, Linaria's buff is still fairly unique because of the formation and the fact that ballad can give her a chance to act twice. Also Ballad gives all damage up so it affects spells too, not that it makes spells viable dps but it can be enough to push a La-spell over the edge if you wanted to say wipe a whole party of wolf/gobbos in A4.
>class change scrolls are a one time uses and you can switch back and forth like MCI just threw away 400 gemsI wish I knew beforehand
>>577343428>InheritedAnon, you don't inherit her. You use her. You use scrolls on everyone else. Redbrick's res buff eating a slot ruins his spell.
>>577344765can't*
>>577342698Haven't done the Healer quest yet but wasn't the big deal about it that she joined you while still alive and not as a bone?Meanwhile I don't think the bone/scroll you get from the selector is any different from the guaranteed bone/scroll you get from exchanging 100 rolls.
>>577344920There are class change requests that let you round trip to a previously unlocked class.
>no one uses priests anymoreThis cutie will never be leaving my team
>>577345903Why would you use a priest when there are many mages with priest CC? Marianne included.
mom said it's my turn to get attestations. Thank you chinkman
>>577346090Because priests have more HP and LA spells aren't really worthwhile anyway. Especially if you aren't getting a fire LA.
>>577345034that doesn't really mean much if she joined you while alive or not no? The free camille have such a gimped stat it's not even funny. It's verified and the bitch has the same starting stats every time
>>577346301Mages have more mana, are faster, and can completely shut down many enemies/fights with debuffs. And heal at the same level due to lower thresholds for healing power.
>>577345376where you get those?
>>577346648Semi regular class change events where you can redeem for any class change of any character.
>>577346535>more manaNot relevant. You have plenty as a priest.>fasterNot by enough to matter considering you are pumping ASPD on both of them.>debuffsYou mean the same debuffs a priest casts after you ran them through mage and changed them back?>And heal at the same level due to lower thresholds for healing power.And priests do damage at the same level because the low soft caps for spells means you hit it with them too. The only difference between a priest/mage and a mage/priest(which are the only variants of either worth using) is whether you want access to LA spells or more HP/makalki and the extra HP alone carries priest.
This was supposed to be a shitpost about an un-invested Prishe gets mogged by thief Rinne but she actually does better by a fair amount.>https://streamable.com/l6i32w>fucked up the combo chain, taking 1 turn extra for Asuran>Rinne should have used a turn on shedding, probably would end up with 15k damage insteadI also never noticed that skillchain is not lost if you select the same move twice. So if you really wanted to, you could build up to a 3-combo then switch to using 4-5 hit basic attack to conserve SP on long bosses.
>>577347391>I also never noticed that skillchain is not lost if you select the same move twiceI didn't know that either.
>>577346535>Mages have more mananot relevant if the goal is spamming debuffs/cc most are dirt cheap and will outlast your sp users>are faster,hold on...>And heal at the same level due to lower thresholds for healing power.so you can freely stack aspd on a priest and easily hit 100+ (unless dwarf)the only reasons for mage is because Asha looks better in her mage outfit or you need to use la- spells for a specific reason
>>577347276>>577347720Nah.
>>577347391would you mind showing prishe and rinne's gear?
>>577348298https://streamable.com/xu6s2sI start to run out of high surety gear when I'm trying to use 4 physical attackers at once.
>>577348984insanely helpful, thank you gwo
Rapier weapon type when?
>one hour with no NM respawn
I don't want to wait. Let me in now.
That's not very nice Lulu. Why would I want to see the bad ending instead of the somewhat good ending?
>>577349720Why wouldn't you?
