Posting this in this bread too for visibility.

I played part two around 2017-18 and I think it's time to dip my feet into part three after the modest wait.
So, my guess is I need the 3.06 Raw, 3.04 BobMTLV 2.1.3 then use Tiny improvements + Bobmtl for 3.06?

>>577277712
nta but yeah we need updooted links and another all-in-one pack

>>577277712
you can skip the 3.04mtl and just use the 3.06 one

>>577277846
>>577277459
the download on f95 has the latest updated game with the latest bobmtl just to let you anons know

>>577277712
You can do either human translation only but it will stop near the end of Alice and Ilias routes or the BobMTL one that has everything translated with some hiccups. Human translation has slowed down considerably and we are not told why.

https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/575544927/#575716938
This is for the MTL the latest version of it that incorporates the latest human translation too minus some text fixes. The patching method is on Arzor-X's blog.
The MTL has some unique bugs like Force Master's ability that lets you follow up with a black magic skill after attacking with imbues doesn't work. And apparently every gear that's unique to a character may have a visual display problem of not showing you what bonuses it gives. But they exist.

>>577277497

https://ci-en.dlsite.com/creator/674/article/1915267

IT'S OUT

>>577278724
>baby shit
Goddamnit

>>577278724
This guy's a big fan of the circle tool

is there new alma standing art by frfr or is it just that one cg? I really would like to see alma redone in modern frfr style

>>577279018
Never trust a succ, they will trojan horse you into baby fetishes

babu babu~

Okay Alma but you have to be the baby next time

>>577279018
Still gonna be salty if this get's tl'd before anasteema tea party. They had a size game normal shota stuff giant lolis ect.. it was gonna get tl'd then nothing has been heard from it in 5 years..

furry game got released and tl'd after.. im mad.

>>577277459
>ten years ago
Hello darkness my old friend.

>>577278469
I went this because I'm a lazy fuck, thanks. It's working. Now I just need to replay part 1 and 2 because I remember precisely nothing so maybe part 3 will be fully translated by the time I get there.

i remember giving a presentation during my final year in high school on a shitty laptop
i brought that laptop to a family vacation earlier and put the mgq vn on it to have something to help me take care of myself

so i was in front of a lot of people, there was some kind of event going on.
my little brother, who must've been like 12 at the time sat around there too.
so i'm scrolling around in explorer trying to find the presentation file when i suddenly hear "MONSTER!" and my brother pointing at the screen, when i was scrolling past the mgq folder, which had a different icon from the rest.
i silently panicked pretty much instantly.

i still sometimes wonder if that had any repercussions, or if my brother researched it after the fact.

>>577278724
This looks far more lovey dovey than SP.
Is the artist who made that baby fucker succubus the one who is making this, or is the developer of SP at the helm?

>>577283215
sp developer still. though it's been more or less confirmed that yes, these succs just want you to feel good and have no killing intent

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>true rape story
>>577283215
>babies came

I had something weird happen. I installed the latest human translation plus the MTL that someone dropped in here a few threads back. I then installed with one-click latcher. It worked and it said version 3.06. But my all talk mod would not work. So I ported over the patch folder from my earlier version of the game, and the mods work. The translation seems to be all good too. However, the version says 3.00 now. Is that an issue? All I did was copy of the patch folder with had the mod and the patch.rb file.

>>577284182
>granberia lolis
imagine

>>577284940
>However, the version says 3.00 now. Is that an issue?
It seems to be in appearance only. I had the same issue you had. Mods didn’t work and I had to download the patch.rb from the wiki, which was even an even earlier version(2.41). Shouldn’t be any issues, i beat the worldbreaker route with no bugs. You can even edit the patch version number on notepad to reflect the actual version of your game.

>>577286516
Thank you so much! Thats exactly the response I was hoping for. I figured it was a minor bug.

>>577284182
>ancestors human
Chat is this true?

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>>577289754
Humamo...

>>577283698
>these succs just want you to feel good and have no killing intent
Thanks Toki, I sure didn't want this game to be fucking boring. Whiny bitches even got Succubus Prison watered down.

>>577289885
Sorry nigga not everyone wants to see babies get killed, ask Morrigan for help.

>>577289885
Not all succubi are like Lilith who can kill a toddler and call it good.

>>577283215
>>577283698
>>577289885
It's a Toki game, yes, but it couldn't be more obvious that it's Coolkyou who wrote this. This is kind of just normal Coolkyou stuff.
I'm sure we can have more psychotic rape succubi in the future, but this game isn't for that and isn't even canon to SP because that nigga Toru is dead

>>577290003
not everyone wants to see em fucked either.

dude kinda cut off a good chunk of audience with this. Im indifferent to it but i logically see that this decision to make mc a baby has neutered a good chunk of the people not into that ontop of making them less murdery as well.

>>577290116
LILITH IS LITERALLY IN THE GAME

>>577290003
If I wanted a generic boring toothless succubus game, there's plenty of options, several even drawn by Shiki.

>>577290278
I doubt it's going for the same appeal, it's probably just what they wanted to make.

>>577290256
yeah cuz the uh dont get raped once has a implied death not shown but myusca finds his ass if you never get fucked once and leave without dying ever.

I think you guys are too hung up over the games name
SP was that kind of game. This is this kind of game. it's not that big of a deal

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>So called monster girl lover when she doesn't want to brutally kill him

>>577290356
Go play peniban then. the succubi there hate men for existing.

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Ah I got baited into replying to the usual antishikischizos.

>>577290491
I just find it a bit illogical to make a sequel and not have a good chunk of elements from the original. It could have been a same setting game where you arent "unnamed protagonist from succubus prison who got a name in another videogame" instead of branching from the ending.

Kinda like how youmaen is a part of the same setting but doesnt have the same protag you know.

>>577290687
Yeah shiki drawer of the most wholesome scene in the game where you kiss your daughter.

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>>577290814
I'm assuming it won't actually be a sequel then, just "set in the same-ish universe" like the various crossover summons into SP to begin with.
I'd just hoped after the immense disappointment we got, someone got their head out of their ass and decided to make a real sequel. But clearly they did not.
No ambience, no horror elements, no stakes, no immersion. Just another generic h-scene progressor with no weight to it.

>>577291203
NTA but what's wrong with that game?

>>577291284
I don't know his problem with it but mostly the way you progress routes and content is pretty stupid. The game itself is alright, just has some weird design choices.

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>>577291203
actually this came out after the giantess loli game. so if your gonna pull that card this is the succ prison sequel and that is the succ prison threequel

>>577290687
Here is the antiantishikischizo.

>>577291531
this also makes youmaen a prequel.

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>>577284182
>xelvy archangels general
AWW YEEEAAAH!!! AUNTIE GENERAL!!!!

>>577293024
Leave Zion to me

>>577293024
One of those angels should appear in the new SP spin-off game. She is practically made for it.

>>577284182
>imagine chrome considering certain slaughter machine
... Alice, give that little shit another spanking.

>>577293024
In the end, I'm partially happy that we don't have this artist anymore.

>>577293184
AND SHE'S A SUCC TOO SO SHE FITS FUCKING HELL WASTED OPPORTUNITY. SHE COULD ALSO GET A SCENE WITH THE FORM SHE DOESNT HAVE ONE WITH.

>>577293661
i aint he made shit scary. actual punishment for losing. or shit to wank to if im feeling so horrid i just dont care that day anymore.. because my soul has been eaten away.

>>577293024
Everyone has relatively normal poses meanwhile Raphaela is flashing her ass at the camera.

>>577293868
Ass girls aren't that common in MGQ so gotta flaunt what you got

>>577293868
in character.

>>577293839
It wasn't scary most of the time. It just looked silly.

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>>577284182
>ilias alice part paradox
SOMETHING AMAZING CONFIRMED!?!?!

>>577284182
>>577293024
>micaela boys
>raphaela daughter
Guess we're getting more kids after all.

>>577294151
I really would like a route where both are with you the whole time. Having either of them during the opposing decision route especially sounds great. Fatty snake seeing small fry Ilias on your team just seems funny.

>>577295171
Ilias would never.

>>577293024
Seriously look at Micaela lmao

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>>577284182
>sonya shiki
My prayers have been answered: We're getting a route in which we help Sony eat the Shikpuff Girls. Hopefully we also help her suck the Unholy Trinity dry.

>they don't know the third route is luka telling lolias and alice to fuck off and getting the gang back together with captain scat, kockyoin and other familiar faces for a bizzare bros adventure

>>577300674
>>577301380
Perfectly fine scenarios!

>>577300674
>Sonya+Morrigan+Astaroth+Lilith=Sonya Shiki
>Sonya+Zion+Gnosis+Eden=Sonya UnXelSet
>Sonya Shiki+Sonya UnXelSet=Sonya Sex(tuple Chaos)

>>577302282
Don't even joke about this.

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>>577302395
Chaos Sony is the best (if you pretend the silly lamp on her head doesn't exist), fuck you.

>>577303968
I meant the Shikis. Sonya Chaos is great.

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>>577293024

>>577304174
Michaela look tsundere as fuck!

Sariela and Sandal are the best though.

>>577304174
Angel kisses....

I don't post here often, but it's kinda crazy that this general requires you to finish the og + paradox to be allowed to post, otherwise you get hard filtered.

>>577304174
Uriela might've tasted a lemon with that face...

>>577305126
You don't need to, but some people aren't as friendly about spoilers these days.

>>577289885
Wasn't that the sole reason you didn't die in the ending that leads to it in the first place? Why would you expect otherwise?

>>577305126
The general isn't very friendly to those who doesn't worship the first game too for that matter, so it could be worse!

>>577305879
>the general isn't very friendly to people who are pompous about their opinions
ftfy

>>577291203
Is it better to love a hag than to never have loved at all?

>>577306032
Eeeh, it's 50/50

>>577306784
I've seen plenty of people criticize the VN and have normal discussions stem from it, because they're not being dicks or deliberately ignoring things that happen in it. Honestly it's not even talked about often these days, almost everyone acknowledges Paradox is by and large the better game (beyond Luka and Alice's characterization) and the VN is just recommended to newer players because Paradox is better if you play it first and it's an enjoyable enough ride even if the combat's kinda crappy.

>>577308094
>almost everyone acknowledges Paradox is by and large the better game
Oh
Oooooh that's a hot take.

>>577304131
Oh... yeah, no, fuck these murderwhores, they all deserve a very ironic death by dryfishing.

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As much as I HATE the succ prison trio... they might have been into something with those "you have to fuck" rooms... Too bad they still managed to make it cringe (to the point even the game itself said "fuck it".)

>>577308256
As a game? Can a VN even be considered remotely similar? Even the writing is different because paradox has so much more side stuff and everyone is way more laid back. Even feels like most of the wild encounters don't even want to kill luka, while the VN had it a lot more common.

>>577308256
I don't think it is, but maybe. I'd be surprised. I'm still very fond of the VN myself, I do like it, but it's still pretty dated and the combat gets pretty tedious and boring outside of a few specific fights since most of the time it's just a puzzle game disguised as an RPG. Also Paradox fixed the majority of the issues people had with the worldbuilding/setting.

>>577308832
Nta but people called Paradox a grindy ass game even before Part 3, and those people would have an aneurysm if they had to beat the chaos route. Plus Paradox doesn't leave any room for debate on whose right or wrong like VN did with Lazarus and Ilias Kreuz which is one thing that generates infinite discussion. RPGmaker also makes the visuals look a little worse which is a huge thing since this is meant to be a porn game and also people want higher quality graphics in general when given the option.

>>577309649
>like VN did with Lazarus and Ilias Kreuz which is one thing that generates infinite discussion
I'm raising one eyebrow there.

>>577309649
Paradox's porn is pretty weak honestly

>>577309649
nta, but the new Lazarus/Ilias Kreuz 'infinite discussion' button is AW/MW in full force now that part three's out proper. Lazarus was also treated similarly to how they handled the two opposing factions (this side has a point but is still in the wrong) as well. The cg visuals are a little worse, but as a whole I think the game looks pretty good for an RPGmaker game, the maps are quite nice and trtr did a good job at making the world feel very alive with them and the npcs. It's one of the parts people praised the most about it back when it was just 1 and 2. The Singularity World is just a really fun overworld.

>>577310231
I miss Singularity World. The other worlds aren't as fun or interesting.

Who are your favorite companions?.

Mine was Saki-Chan, she never left the party on my NG paradox difficulty run after i beelined for her.

(I'm still salty she didn't get one of the cool part 3 powerups.)

I really like Candy too, so imagine my saltiness when her Gluttony form potential got fucking STOLEN.

>>577310231
>is AW/MW in full force now that part three's out proper
Not even remotely. Lazarus is an ideology while AW/MW are just factions that people fight because they want to fuck one side more since the whole save the soul or body was given a canon answer

anons help i thought of something and now have the strong urge to drawfag it... I havent drawn in like 3 years but the first thing that comes to mind is drawing monstergirls now aaa

>>577310429
I like Lona and Victoria the most, followed by Maya and Christie and Bonnie. Now that I think about it, i think theres a template on tiermaker

>>577310429
Saki, like a few other characters, saw their niche get a straight upgrade in a new character. The succubus dancer is her, but better.

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>>577310429
Reina, because I love Reina (I also liked the Harpy in the original game too but Reina is beak) and she's just really really fun. Both in battle and conversations. Being rewarded for sticking with her felt great too. I also ended up beating the game with only harpies mostly just because I liked her that much and got more invested in these birds than anything else.

>>577310757
both were given canon answers but are still talked about anyways because they're easy to start arguments over.

>>577312116
No one actually talks about the soul/body aspect they just want to argue about the girls. Lazarus however has a point since Luka still have to deal with the aftermath of his thoughts in the ending because not everyone will instantly become friends with each other. Hell even as hated as it is the OVA proves that VN Luka still has to fight monsters even when he has the Monster Lord on his side so the fear Ilias Kreuz has about monsters still isn't wrong.

>>577310429
I've only played Alice's route so far (still need to go back in to play Ilias route one of these days), but for now my favourite is definitely Mechapope. He's extremely cool and has some nice bits of commentary
I'd also give an honourable mention to Erubetie, mostly for gameplay reasons (she pretty much hard carried me through most of the route after recruiting her, especially the final boss). I feel like she kinda got shafted writing-wise in Paradox, which is a shame since she ended up being at least my second favourite of the 4 Knights when I played the VN

>>577313147
it's less "monsters are stronger" and more that he's paranoid and can't trust anything out of fear. even Luka wasn't under the illusion everyone would become instant BFFs or something and said he'd be prepared to fight to protect the peace he's trying to create since he knows there'd be both monsters and humans who wouldn't accept it.

>>577310429
Laplace. I love my loli gun girl

>>577310429
Young Promstien was my teenage goat because i was going through a phase and promstien did nothing wrong if you really think about it her biggest accoplishment in the vn is one big seaweed joke...

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Since I cleared Search of Maid Within a Book I decided to continue the rest of my backlog. I'm still on the fence between restarting Paradox (as I lost all my original data) or doing other games first (like the crossover ones such as Shrift). At most I intend to do Part 1 before doing others so I don't fatigue out.
Regardless: how do we install it nowadays? Back when I played we had to do like two downloads and run the weird program to produce a translated folder. I would also like the know the status of patches cause the All Talk patch bugged some quests that needed people outside the party to interact.

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Would Ilias forgive me for removing her just for this fight?

>>577318278
It's kind of funny how, if you did use Sara up to this point, her most optimal set of equipment and abilities would be a hinderance to the new "upgrade".
She is practically a new character.

>>577313692
Yeah, let's not pretend Luka wasn't heavily leaning towards the monster side, ok? He damn near killed a man for lying about killing monsters even though he spared the entirety of fucking Plansect. And I'd say his "paranoia" and lack of trust isn't exactly unjustified: A lot of the monsters that eventually befriend Luka would have done all kinds of messed up shit to him if he did anything wrong. Before, during and after Luka's adventures humans made compromise, after compromise, after compromise, (when Luka reaches Port Natalia, which is across the sea from ILIAS continent with less than an hour trip and just south of San ILIA, mermaids can just be pedos with no consequences) yet even with all of that and the danger of an archnephelim with the backing of the Monster Lord, there's still enough/powerful enough monster girls that don't want to "coexist with" humans that Luka has to spend his honeymoon and most likely rest of his life (presumably since he doesn't get the same upgrades as Paradox Luka, eventually his body will be eroded again until he dies) hunting them. And then what happens? Neris is already pretty questionable and Nero is groomed by foxes. Not exactly any more promising. Speaking of compromise Paradox proves that the whole Harpy Village crisis was essentially the harpies fault, because none of them wanted to compromise with having male kids, yet instead of them compromising by migrating to a more monster-friendly continent, humans had to compromise. So yeah, Lucretia played Luka like a damn fiddle.
Tl;dr monsters, from what we see at least, are priviledged, ungrateful, uncompromising, unpredictable and untrustworthy. Doesn't help that almost everyone seems to want to pamper them. Lazarus' methods WERE counterproductive, but he really had a point.

>>577320172
He was going to kill Lazarus for murdering his dad anon. Luka talks with him without getting violent when you re-visit the mermaid bar.
Also, why would he go around killing in Plansect? He was the interloper that made things worse when he tried to play hero.

>>577320172
>Paradox proves that the whole Harpy Village crisis was essentially the harpies fault
bait
>migrating to a more monster-friendly continent
they wouldn't have survived the journey and this is brought up, there were too few of them left and most of the village (including the children and men) were dead. you need husbands to make kids in the first place. They kept asking the humans for help and were refused due to Ilias's faith having grown stronger in the region.
If anything Paradox shows that if Ilias's faith hadn't become influential in that location there wouldn't have even been a problem regarding human/harpy relations in the first place, because they would've remained close and just married and had kids like normal, which is why you're able to learn they can have sons in the first place.

>>577320538
>He was going to kill Lazarus for murdering his dad anon.
Mr. coexistence sure seems to get murderous towards humans that kill people, huh? But not so much against monsters.
>Luka talks with him without getting violent when you re-visit the mermaid bar.
He sure seemed pretty out of control to me, even if not physically violent.
>Also, why would he go around killing in Plansect? He was the interloper that made things worse when he tried to play hero.
The Pansect bitches still outright confirmed to him that they would kill and rape other monsters and iirc Canaan Sister outright reveal to him that they have also killed humans and that they don't need to eat people they just do it for the lolz. So yeah, all the villagers are murderous monsters but they get away with it with just being sealed. But when it comes to murderous humans killing them doesn't seem to be such a difficult choice.

>>577310429
Lime
Being in my party from the start she's the only one who's comparable to Luka because I never let a job cap ever if I can help it

>>577321291
>they wouldn't have survived the journey and this is brought up
They can literally teleport and there are very few threats a Queen level monster wouldn't scare away in their way to Grand Noah.
>there were too few of them left and most of the village (including the children and men) were dead.
>you need husbands to make kids in the first place.
>They kept asking the humans for help and were refused due to Ilias's faith having grown stronger in the region.
I'm not spoonfeeding you, finish reading the "bait" to understand why all of these completely stupid.

>>577320172
>Yeah, let's not pretend Luka wasn't heavily leaning towards the monster side, ok?
The guy didn't do anything to stop Grangold's enslavement of monsters besides express a little distaste for it even though he'd seal monsters for doing the same thing.
>He damn near killed a man for lying about killing monsters even though he spared the entirety of fucking Plansect.
Ilias Kreuz hits a sore point for him because of his daddy issues. He isn't anywhere near as severe towards other humans that hate monsters.
>mermaids can just be pedos with no consequences
The "kid" was a consenting adult.
>since he doesn't get the same upgrades as Paradox Luka, eventually his body will be eroded again until he dies
Erosion isn't an issue unless he overuses his angel powers in a short period of time. After Ilias, there's nothing on the planet left to necessitate that amount of effort from him.
>Neris is already pretty questionable and Nero is groomed by foxes.
They do a well enough job when they work together despite their autism according to their dialogue in the final campsite.
>Speaking of compromise Paradox proves that the whole Harpy Village crisis was essentially the harpies fault, because none of them wanted to compromise with having male kids
True, don't know why Trtr decided to retcon harpies into being able to have male children when not having a male population to sustain themselves was a major plot point in the OG trilogy.

>>577310429
Samael. Triple gun wielding vampire is so cool.

>>577322297
They cannot teleport. At the bare minimum, Harpy Feathers as a 'teleport item' do not exist in the original world and it's very likely that the huge influx of mana and energy that elevated humans to be able to do magic more easily is what enabled the creation of those possible. Even then, you need to have actually been to the location you're teleporting to once before in order to use them to go there and all the Harpies were born on the Ilian Continent because it's their homeland. So even if they had those items in the original world they wouldn't have been able to teleport to Sentoria anyway.
>needing men to make men is dumb because ???
anon their families are dead
>finish reading
I did. You're claiming they're secretly horrible/manipulative because 99% of them and 100% of the humans in the village were dead and Ilias's faith had caused everyone to reject them when they asked for help, because "humans had to compromise" when it was human's clinging to the teachings that pushed them to that position in the first place and they both made compromises for the mutual solution.

It just sounds like you looking for excuses to view them in the most negative light possible even when it makes no sense and contradicts what the story actually tells and shows you.

>>577322386
They didn't have males in Harpy Village, so there's no plot hole if they're all dead to begin with.
It's the former queen's fault for getting them killed with her stupid behavior though. But all of them hate her for that too.

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>it's schizo hours again
oh boy I can't wait to get called a vn worshipper for not believing someone's headcanon version of the story is accurate

>>577324110
Unless the harpy mothers just let all their sons get sent to the front lines and killed without any complaints I just don't see how the male population could've been completely wiped out. It'd take a staggering amount of incompetence to reach that point and if the harpies had any sense (or love for their male children), they should've revolted long before that. So yeah, it's kinda their fault.

>>577324110
Also, Harpies want companionship.
They are one of the few monsters that actively look for husbands instead of one night stands.

>>577322386
>The guy didn't do anything to stop Grangold's enslavement of monsters besides express a little distaste for it even though he'd seal monsters for doing the same thing.
Iirc, he didn't have any actual proof that the ant girls were being mind controlled before the revolution.
>He isn't anywhere near as severe towards other humans that hate monsters.
...Such as? Personally the only other "monster-hating humans" I recall do nothing other than badmouthing them a bit.
>The "kid" was a consenting adult.
It's implied that, rather than turning him small, she stunned his growth, mind and body, and that he's VERY little, not Luka little.
>Erosion isn't an issue unles he overuses his angel powers in a short period of time.
It wasn't exactly a lot of battles.
>Adter Ilias, there's nothing on the planet left to necessitate that amount of effort from him.
Maybe if he still had the Four Spirits. He doesn't. The VN even makes you play as Spiritless human Luka for a bit in part 3 to give you a taste of how much losing his powers sucks. And it really does.
>They do a well enough job when they work together despite their autism according to their dialogue in the final campsite.
...Ok, umm, time for some japanese lore to understand the implications of the siblings upbringing: Families would take care of important people's kids, especially the emperor's, not only ot gain favor to brainwash them into chesspieces of said families. The sibling's upbringing was most likely ispired from that. With that and with who took care of each sibling in mind, I don't feel much confidence about them being unbiased and fair.

>>577325320
>Maybe if he still had the Four Spirits. He doesn't. The VN even makes you play as Spiritless human Luka for a bit in part 3 to give you a taste of how much losing his powers sucks. And it really does.
Actually, Granberria says that Luka is still very strong, but lacks motivation. He is getting raped because he no longer needs to be a hero.

>>577318278
You want to level ilias anon same with alice trust me

>>577325694
Ilias power up gives so much xp that leveling her is kinda moot tbf

Hollowald awakened me to angels, oh the poor english readers who don't get to enjoy emmuals character, she's amazing

I'm trying to proc conditional damage bonus with Alma Elma. I have dual wielding fists and have conditional damage booster on, and then hit my foes with weakening dance before her turn. I've noticed that she does not proc it, and then eden will go after Alma Elma and hit the conditional bonus for stat weakened foes. I experimented by taking off the conditional damage boost ability and the damage is the same so I know that its doing nothing.

So is the damage bonus not automatic with the booster on? In other words, have I been misunderstanding how comditonal dmaage works works when applying weakening dance, and it, in fact proc for Eden or Lucifina because of the Spear and Bow effects, while it does not proc for fists?

>>577326468
Fists don't do stats down. They have crit damage up as their gimmick. If you're far enough Sealed jobs gives it conditional damage for Slow/Stop but not stats down.

>>577326468
Depends on the spears. Regular spears has a conditional for Agility Down, while Heavy Spear has a ton of them. Same thing with Bows, put any stat reduction effect on a enemy and it will hit harder for it. Fists have no built in conditional.
TrTr must not have realized just how essential conditionals would become by the utter lack of balance between weapons.

>>577326468
conditional damage bonuses are a funky separate thing. Spears do conditional bonus on agi down, bows do conditional bonus on any stat down, greatswords and axes do conditional bonus vs def down, gun on stat up, and some other weapons do conditional vs statuses like rapier with burn.

Fists don't particularly have any innate conditional bonus, but since it's Alma, you can do conditional bonus if you go pleasure on sex status'd enemies

>>577326918
For real, having the right raceslayer skills at the right time makes all the difference in the world

>>577326918
The conditionals are mostly useless in late bosses , Though cards extra turn, great swords having a 2,5x basic attack multiplier are crazy unconditional bonuses, even heavy spear flops when the enemies are inmune to all stats down.

Yeah, Stat Down is actually kind of bad since everyone is immune to it. You are better off having a Dancer or Singer.
Oh hi Reina.

>>577325320
>Iirc, he didn't have any actual proof that the ant girls were being mind controlled before the revolution.
He didn't know how they were being controlled, but he knew they were slaves.
>Personally the only other "monster-hating humans" I recall do nothing other than badmouthing them a bit.
We're told human heroes actively hunt for monsters to kill, but Luka never goes out of his way to stop them. He only really ever interferes when monsters are the instigators.
>It's implied that, rather than turning him small, she stunned his growth, mind and body, and that he's VERY little, not Luka little.
Pretty sure she just turned him into a kid. In Paradox, we see her turn several more adults into children too.
>It wasn't exactly a lot of battles.
It was almost the entirety of part 3 which took place over a day or two.
>Maybe if he still had the Four Spirits. He doesn't.
Heinrich without the spirits and with no angel powers killed so many angels they still haven't recovered 500 years later. With a bit more training in the elements, Luka should be able to do the same thing while having angel abilities on top of that.
>Families would take care of important people's kids, especially the emperor's, not only ot gain favor to brainwash them into chesspieces of said families.
... You really think Tamamo and Granberia of all people would brainwash Alice's children into obedient chesspieces? I feel like your making up shit to get mad at by this point.

>>577327396
Pretty much.
Axes and Clubs share a similar niche, but Axes by having the much easier, and less resisted status effects just blows Clubs out of the water.
It's even more head scratching when you see that Clubs also put def-down on hit like Axes, but only Axes get the damage modifier for it.
I really want to know what the thought process was when TrTr programed this game the way it is, because you won't find it hard to choose between weapons when given the option, since the discrepancy is really bad.

>>577325271
>"without any complaints"
I would like to remind you what kind of person the former queen was (re: her response to someone she used to be friends with asking her to stop sending all their people to die when neither her own people or the enemy want to fight and most of the harpies aren't even properly trained for single combat is to attack her own village with her personal army and attempt to murder her own citizens because she doesn't like being told 'no' and wanted to make a point to her former friend and it's implied with Lucretia's "it's happening all over again" reactions that this is part of why so many of them are dead in the first place, so if any of them did try to rebel she killed everyone who did). Part 3 also reveals she conscripted literal children to fight on the front lines against their and their guardians will. She also enslaved all of the sparrow tribe and cruelly abused them because they were the 'weakest species of harpy' so she just didn't like them.

She's still a 'minor antagonist' in the overall grand scheme of the story but she's mustache-twirling-train-tracks levels of cartoonishly tyrannical. The implication that she's a literal ADHD Tard who was warmongering both because she's a paranoid idiot but also because she wanted to live out her childhood dream of being a war hero leader (like her ancestor/idol Alice III) and was just comically inept at every single part of the job besides murdering people is admittedly kind of funny, but then I remember the whole kicking puppies/burning cities/etc.

>>577327920
In the end, what weapons are good and which are bad?.

Like, on my mind, heavy spear, Axes, swords are pretty much the best weapons.

>>577327920
The thought process was Autism.

>>577328009
Fuck this old queen. She is ugly and not as good as Luc'.
The idea that in Part 3, they are put in the same bag by retardalice sickens me.

>>577326918
>>577327738
I feel like there's a bigger lack of balance in how the game will constantly supply you with weapons for Luka/Lucifina/Micaela/Alice so your sword/bow/spear/rapier users can constantly upgrade but if you use say a Flail you're getting a really bad weapon even for the area.
Also even if the conditional damage doesn't work against bosses you can just farm the next dungeon and loot it before doing the boss that's immune to the conditional.

>>577328242
She is a viscous bitch, and a tyrant, but she does show her nice side to her lover. Every harpy does, even if they are cold blooded dinos.

>>577325301
Harpies deeply value love and community!
>>577328060
Spears and Swords are the best ones iirc, I think Rapiers got pretty powerful too. Agility Buff Stacking is really efficient as well, (Sky Dance continues to remain relevant just because it stacks with other agility buffs even when everything turns to auto-hit).

>>577328009
>part 3 also reveals she conscripted literal children to fight on the front lines against their and their guardians will. She also enslaved all of the sparrow tribe and cruelly abused them because they were the 'weakest species of harpy' so she just didn't like them.
Monster girl sundowner...

>>577328391
>viscous bitch
I thought she's a harpy, not a slime!

>>577328060
Sword and Spear are the peak.

>>577328060
Essentially, weapon types stop being important when end-game enemies start becoming immune, and when most of the strongest units have their own unique equipment sets that you won't want to replace.

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>>577263806
You can tell I don't usually spend much time in the thread, because I didn't react to major commission of mine getting posted.

>>577323691
>They cannot teleport.
No proof. Even if you had
>you need to have been to the location
The travelling from Ilias Port to Port Natalia is controlled by Alma Elma, Port Natalia and the Sabasa and Grand Noah regions are all monster friendly. It is not a hard journey.
>finish reading
>I did.
No, from the rest of your post, it's very embarrassingly clear that you didn't.

>>577328242
Well, if I can give her one thing, she's definitely not ugly. And her being a purple peafowl is hilariously appropriate.
I do prefer Lucretia of course this is one thing I'm still angry about yeah since it's acknowledged that it's just an excuse for them to stay in the party despite the original excuse of "I want to help save the world" is perfectly valid and is used a lot in the third route too
>>577328391
>Lovers*
Reflestia was noted to have a harem, she's one of the few who took on multiple men (and honestly now that I'm thinking about it maybe her hoarding the men isn't unrelated to why they were all dead). She did treat them kindly, though, that's the one thing all Harpies do have in common at least.
>>577328508
Unironically yes she's even proud of it and says she'd gladly do everything again and doesn't care if everyone hates her.

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>>577329220
>unironically yes she's even proud of it and says she'd gladly do everything again and doesn't care if everyone hates her.
Holy based. She could have been monster girl napoleon if she didn't suck shit at waging war

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>>577310429
Sonya and Fernandez

>>577329220
She and the Spider Princess share a lot in common. They are chasing glory that they feel started back during their theoretical ML ancestors. Theoretical in the sense that it's just rumors.
Alice 3rd knew when to stop, and hand things to a more administrative leader, who funny enough was miss spider Alice 4th.

>>577328060
>good
Swords
Bows
Heavy Spears
Axe
>good for certain races
Rapier
Guns
>alright
Fists
Staff
Rods
Fans
>gimmicky
Magic Swords
Ninja Swords
Clubs
Whips
Boomerang
Scapel
Cards
Plate
Sex toys
>bad
Daggers
Fangs
Flail
Harps
Kitchen Knives
Abacus
Grimoires

Moving to Remina's been nice but I've noticed the succubi around town eyeing my 4 year old boy weirdly. What's going on with that?

I need a crpg like the original baldurs gate games or pathfinder games but with monster girls.

>>577330069
Swords should be broken into four categories actually. Short Swords which has a small self-defense thing, Knight Swords which as a small parry chance, and Great Swords which has an enormous conditionals and def-down on hit. You already have Magic Swords which usually have a small to large amount of magic boosters.

>>577329169
Nigger can’t even get the lore of the harpy feathers right. KWAB

>>577329169
>No proof
You have no proof they can teleport in the original world in the first place. I'm simply pointing that out. Even then the point stands that they wouldn't survive the journey, much less the harsher region with stronger monsters long enough to build a new village while they're near extinction.
>you didn't read it if you think I'm wrong
No, I read it. I'm just telling you that you are wrong.
About the harpies, specifically, but I feel like other anons covered the rest of it pretty well.

>>577329596
It's honestly the reason I can't actually bring myself to genuinely hate her, she's comically evil but on some level you gotta admit she is pretty cool.Plus as I said the implied motivation is hilariously childish since
>She could have been monster girl napoleon
That was even her main goal, she wanted to be just like her childhood hero Alice III who is one of the most famous and well-regarded military conquerors in her world. One interpretation for her warmongering and terrible justifications is that she's a paranoid imbecile, the other is that she's just deliberately looking for excuses to start wars so she could be the super cool war hero of her dreams.

>>577327910
>He didn't know how they were being controlled, but he knew they were slaves.
Considering men went to the Colisseum to be fucked silly and wanted to become cattle in the Succubus Village, people wanting to be slaves really isn’t out of the question in MGQland
>We're told human heroes actively hunt for monsters to kill, but Luka never goes out of his way to stop them. He only really ever interferes when monsters are the instigators.
The very few heroes we see are absolute weaklings that can’t do anything.
>Pretty sure she just turned him into a kid. In Paradox, we see her turn several more adults into children too.
He didn’t seem to have noticed any change and his mannerism was very childlike, so probably different magic. His reaction to finding out about it also shows he wouldn’t have consented to it had he known, btw.
>It was almost the entirety of part 3 which took place over a day or two.
Still, it wasn’t that many fights.
>Heinrich without the spirits and with no angel powers killed so many angels they still haven't recovered 500 years later.
The angels not being ready for his attack probably helped and it’s implied Lucifina helped him. Fighting angels also caused erosion similar to the one Luka suffered from.
>With a bit more training in the elements, Luka should be able to do the same thing while having angel abilities on top of that.
The Spirits were done with Luka after the war. They had their own jobs
>... You really think Tamamo and Granberia of all people would brainwash Alice's children into obedient chesspieces?
Maybe not Berry, but Tamamo’s idea of coexistence is monsters literally being worshipped as gods by humans and her role for half a millennium was enforcing rules that, by their very nature guided MLs into being hostile towards humans.

>>577330725
>Maybe not Berry, but Tamamo’s idea of coexistence is monsters literally being worshipped as gods by humans and her role for half a millennium was enforcing rules that, by their very nature guided MLs into being hostile towards humans.
Outside of Alice 16th potentially becoming a tyrant after that thing happened. No ML after B.Alice showed any kind of hostility to humans. Even the 10th with her deranged hobbies wasn't at risk of turning into another B.Alice.
What are you talking about?

>>577330725
>but Tamamo’s idea of coexistence is monsters literally being worshipped as gods by humans and her role for half a millennium was enforcing rules that, by their very nature guided MLs into being hostile towards humans.
Tamamo literally guided monster lords towards coexistence and peace because Black Alice was so bloodthirsty. The worshipping thing was a Yamatai Village exclusive and they came to do that on their own. Either read the story with your eyes open or quit misconstruing it. Ilias won’t fuck you.

>>577330421
The issue with swords is that the Custom/Angel Halo is a short sword and carries that and even if that's a unique that Mithra sword that revives twice is also one.
Knight swords also get the Falcon blade, Mirror sword, and can steal Micaela's sword before it turns into an exclusive, and it also has Koron's sword.
In the end at least Knight is onpar with Greatsword that I didn't want to separate them since the same characters will probably use them unless it's one of those that really needed the conditional damage.

>>577330596
The lore you and your boyfriend made up in your head?
>>577330641
Most monsters in the road to Grand Noah would easily get scared by a Queen-tier and the Noah Queen accepts monsters in her city.
If the nonsense you keep writing are what you really got from reading, something's clearly very wrong with your brain.

>>577331620
>already resorts to insults and badmouthing anyone who dares question his flawless criticism
KWAB

>>577331620
Nta but the more you post the more i'm convinced your either taking the piss or only like the idea of ilias and hate everything else about mgq, and make heavily biased posts agaisnt anything that isn't illias

>>577310429
Eden + Michaela and Lucy chan
If we're talking about generics then it's the Pink Minotaur

>>577330983
>>577331297
>Grooms MLs' kids into wanting the position of ML by making them prepare for it their whole life.
>Makes marrying whoever they want virtually impossible, making the only options for having sex and kids: 1. Quitting the position she made them prepare for for their whole life for." 2. Repeat what Black Alice did and hope their crush doesn't crash them. 3. Rape.
Yeah, sure, very coexistence-friendly...
>The worshipping thing was a Yamatai Village exclusive and they came to do that on their own.
You don't just wake up one day and decide to worship bums for no reason. Add to that the fact that it's exclusive to her home and she's been around since the very beginning AND we know of her malicious and manipulative past self...

>>577331620
If that's directed at Reflestia it actually comes up in the game. Her reaction to coffee is she claims it 'calms her down' and soothes her instead of it making her hyperactive or something, so while I was mostly saying it as a joke based off of that, she could potentially have ADHD too and that's part of why she's such a spaz.

If it's directed at the other part, the point is not if Lucretia would survive it's if the other non-queen harpies would be able to endure the long journey, and in their current condition they wouldn't, and she doesn't want all her people to die. Asking the nearby humans who used to help them for aid is the most logical conclusion to make, but the influence of the ilian faith had spread to the village and is the reason they didn't want to help them. The game makes that clear.

>>577332831
Yamatai was anti-monster 500+ years ago. It only recently started to do the monster worship thing.

>>577316153
Bros?

>>577332239
Why? Because I'm not spoonfeeding him and try to give minimum attention to the ridiculous boogeyman he has built in his head? All he has to do is read the "bait" aka the part where I explain why it's the harpies fault: >>577320172
It's not my problem his brain short-circuits at that part. The other anons could read it normally.

>>577332831
>immediately beelines towards the worst and most bad-faith possibilities for Monster Lords
I’d also tell you that tamamo has changed grown genuine attachments to the world beyond having fun fucking it up and that Yamatai village is a generally peaceful with the biggest problem it has had being its men fighting over who gets snake tongue but I’m sure you’ll probably just misconstrue the story even further to say that it’s actually le bad. Go back to warhammer 40kek or some shit if you want to bash on non-humans to badly
>>577333621
>multiple people have corrected it on its extremely bad faith readings but it still says this
KWAB

>>577333621
I'm not making any boogeyman claims at you, and I read the part (re: one sentence) where you "explained" why it was their fault. Your explanation is ridiculous and contradicts the story, and the longer this goes on the more you just come across as obstinate for the sake of it.
FFS you tried to claim they could fucking teleport. Singularity World and Original World aren't the same and don't have the same rules or abilities anon, they can't teleport and there's zero evidence to suggest they can do that in the original world.

>>577332831
monster pussy grooms human dicks into addiction regardless monsters and angels groom things. Ilias was grooming humanity and nobody talks about that.

>>577333026
The idea that Reflestua would use harpy-born men, who would be able to spread the genes of powerful harpies in case died, helping her to maintain her army's strength is... not exactly far-fetched, but questionable at the very least. Judging by how young some of the harpies in the Harpy Village were though, it seems far-fetched that they didn't get any opportunities to make male kids after that incident. And they certainly didn't make any with the men they kidnapped from Happiness Village.

>>577328939
This empty gaze Lucifina has...

>>577334290
>contradicts the story
It's fucking canon that they can have male kids if they want to. If the story is self-contradictory that is not my problem.
>FFS you tried to claim they could fucking teleport. Singularity World and Original World aren't the same and don't have the same rules or abilities anon
They don't have ALL the same rules and abilities. And that is mostly true for humans, Luka explains that. Also teleportation very much existed in the original world and used by monsters.

>>577334398
Maybe some of them did, it's possible. You don't exactly get to talk to every single person in the town. Paradox has it's counterpart locations feature significantly more NPCs who can be conversed with than the original game has, simply by virtue of the kind of game it is. Although, considering the Harpies are faring much worse in the original world than they are in the singularity one though, focusing on making more Harpies there makes sense either way The ones in the singularity world were able to stay connected to humanity, so they have more leeway to have sons since they've been able to have relationships with humans for longer while the ones in the original world have had around two years at the most.
>questionable
She's done a lot more questionable things, honestly. Plus harpies aren't exactly the most physically powerful race out there; Reflestia openly looks down on her people for being weak and believes they can't defend themselves and wouldn't be able to protect the village. And then made them all go to the front lines anyways. Honestly I'm not sure how she thought that would work out.

I honestly really do wish that the VN did force monsters to have to actually make concessions on their side for coexistence to work. It does kinda feel like humans have to make way more effort for this than monsters do on their side but on some level I fear what trtr would try to do with a serious coexistence plot given how wack luddite and magistea village are

>>577334291
Unironically this. Ilias has been manipulating humanity since they were apes. And when humanity started deviating somewhat from what she wanted them to do she immediately had a meltdown and plotted to replace and kill all of them. Monsters at least have somewhat of an excuse(that being survival), Ilias is just an attention whore.

>>577335581
Like what? Im not sure what a concession in this situation would be.

>>577335282
The story is not self-contradictory, you're deliberately overlooking what it actually says (they're dead) and then blaming them for most of the population + the men being dead.
>teleportation existed in the original world
The Harpies never used it, because they never teleported and didn't show the ability to do so. The story doesn't claim they can either. You are ignoring this to claim they should be able to make a journey that is pointed out will kill off everyone left (except possibly the queen) and think they're selfish for having tried to ask for help first, instead of flying to their deaths or going extinct.

>>577334291
They don't talk about it because it's UNSUBTLY shitted at from the story itself unlike the monsters who were criticized subtly, but anons are unfortunately not very observative. Like, what is there to add?

>>577335581
Thing is the monsters don’t have much to concede to begin with, the amount of territory they actually possess is quite limited in paradox at least.

>>577328939
>Best Goddess
amazing...

>>577336437
I'm not sure why you assumed I meant territory there, but it's just this weird disconnect where monsters are simultaneously ultra opressed (IE, succubus village) but also just generally turbo strong and can make a human do whatever and they'll even gladly do it when asked (also succubus village) I would have just liked for there to be more give and take in the narrative where monsters have to give up certain behaviors and cultural things in order to make coexistence work instead of just doing what they were already doing in a city. Hard mode being not just the standard "stop doing vore"

>>577336713
It’s not really their fault that humans enjoy their certain behaviours. And theres more to war than just brute strength. Remember how Ilias’ blessing makes human semen taste like shit to monsters? I imagine that wouldn’t be very demotivating for monsters who will likely have to lay siege on cities like SAN Illia

>>577337240
And also the gap in power is significantly less in paradox, so too is the “oppression” too due to Illias no longer being around to be a retard. The only monsters who unironically believe in human on monster oppression are neet queens. Even the regular monsters call them out on their bullshit

>>577336713
As long as they pay their taxes, and dont dryfish, Grangold doesn't care what the Succubus Village does. MGQ takes decentralization to another level when it comes to the kingdoms.

>>577337240
>Remember how Ilias’ blessing makes human semen taste like shit to monsters?
Honestly that lore barely exists and doesn't really seem to affect the setting all that much

>>577337502
it gives the sabassa king more aurafarm material.

>>577337502
It would have in Paradox, when we actually see a shit ton more adventures and heroes. But that is the thing about a JRPG the size of Paradox, you can have a ton more NPCs.

>>577336252
Ok, crazy idea: They could have made male kids, with their ability to make male before all the men they already had died.
Unless you have proof that the harpies specifically couldn't use teleportation in the original world, the evidence is against you: They can in Paradox, there's no proof the increased magic has anything to do with, teleportation existed in the original and monsters used it.
I made my arguments about their journey WITH the idea THAT they could NOT use teleportation. Again the harpies have all the help they could possibly need: Alma Elma is nearby, most civilized areas in a possible journey are monster friendly, humans in the ones that aren't are a joke, very few monsters wouldn't be scared away from a Queen-tier monster. If that's flying to their deaths, drinking water is jumping into the middle of an ocean.

>>577337502
it did in the original since it's part of why a lot of adventurers were so weak (monsters avoided them because they could tell they were baptized and knew they tasted awful, so they just weren't very experienced). in paradox where baptisms don't really happen anymore, it's not really important there.

>>577337845
I mean Heinrich and Marcellus (including the whole party) were assumedly all baptized and that didn't really stop them. I never really got the idea that heroes are weak because of baptism as opposed that humans are generally just weak in this setting because this is the lose and get raped setting

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>>577338417
I hate monsters so much.

>>577338417
is the implication that she's supposed to fuck actual foxes

>>577338858
yeah but for angels they are the ones mating with animals.. so they are the weirdos.

You can pull the same stunt on angels.

>>577338417
my guy you made the request
weirdo

>>577335569
Yeah, I don't bite it. If they had made even a single male child, it would have been notable. And they damn near drove Happiness Village into extinction with the amount of men they kidnapped. That sounds like enough sperm donors. And if Lucretia really was that desperate to rebuild and avoid Reflestia's path, making men that would feel more connected to the harpies and spread the harpy genes more evenly would be essential.

>crazy idea
>I made my arguments about their journey with the idea

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>>577338858
In the end, I couldn't win against animals...

>>577337806
>they could have made male kids before the men died
and those male kids are dead
>the evidence is against you
it's not, your evidence is paradox's singularity world when they make it explicitly clear that the two worlds are very different
>there's no proof the increased magic has anything to do with
yes there is, that's the reason magic and mana is so easily available to everything now and why everyone can achieve things they couldn't before.

And they explicitly wouldn't be able to survive the long journey. Flight is more complicated than just 'go a to b'. Birds have a lot of complications on migration paths that can impact the flock. You are thinking only of the end of the destination, it's the journey and the harsh conditions en route that are the main problem. Having to stop and rest and recharge leaves numerous opportunities to get ambushed or attacked, especially when you're exhausted, not used to fighting, not used to travelling and are unfamiliar with the area and it's locals. You're also assuming monsters wouldn't just take pot shots at the non-queen harpies because they absolutely would and that happens all the time in nature anyway (distract super big strong x to get the weakest x). There's also no evidence Alma would help them (she might but she's fickle), and much more importantly they don't even know Alma is there in the first place, they just know there's a huge fucking maelstrom in the port town that's impassable.

>>577338969
>bite
buy*

>>577338936
No, she just has a feral body and is confident about it.
(You) are the one fucking an actual fox

>>577339112
I mean that's no worse than a centaur innit this just feels like any sort of taur monster catching strays

>>577338979
Hentai scenes get really weird sometimes. Even the so called normal ones.

>>577338969
They're probably doing it or planning to do so, they're just far earlier on the path since they only just got the opportunity compared to the further along version of them in the singularity world where they're already having their sons marry daughters. Two years compared to an uninterrupted relationship makes a pretty significant difference.

>>577339112
If she was confident about it she wouldn't bring it up because she wouldn't see it as weird. The fact that she's demeaning luka about it kind of implies even SHE sees it as weird and unusual

>>577339005
>they just know there's a huge fucking maelstrom in the port town that's impassable.
Alma might actually have gaslighted them all into thinking they'd die or at lease made the journey significantly look significantly worse due to her attempts to "save monsters" from "heroes" and that's kind of ironic.
But yeah, migration ain't easy.

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>>577339557
https://pastebin.com/zuHTZ5yN

>>577339325
I didn't say it was bad.
It's good when monsters are weird and unbothered by it

I do wonder if this harpy male child thing requires more than just some sperm and egg. It only happens in the Chaos route. No mention of it in Part 1-2.
I do think the Mermaid having male children thing was mentioned by some sailor guy in Part 1, but I'm coming up with a blank when that NPC starts talking about being the grandson of a Mermaid.
I would like to see that line about male children in JP, because it seems like we are missing context.

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>>577339765
https://exhentai.org/g/1591460/c9ad3e2c2a/

>>577339521
or she's mocking human culture.

>>577340282
would be weird given the vast majority of kitsune are humanoid

Kitsune? Sex
Feral Kitsune? Sex
Ball Kitsune? Sex

>>577340372
yeah but a lot of monsters are animals.. like a chunk of them are just animals given a lot of mana that assume a more humanoid form cuz of it. Casepoint kitsunes this happens commonly with kitsunes.

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>>577339914
Actually it's as early as when you save the Harpies from the epidemic/self-imposed quarantine and they're able to start returning to normal life while figuring out how to rescue their queen. One of them says that now that his son's betrothed wife has returned, they can finally be married, and he considers moving up the ceremony to tell him about how his new little brother, and then clarifies "oh, by the way my wife is a harpy".

There was just a debate for years over if it was literally just this one harpy and he had somehow married a Queen Tier Harpy Stacy or if it was just as simple as all Harpies could do that; Part 3 clarified it's the later and Harpies having evolved to be so closely connected to humanity is what enabled it to happen.

>>577340854
you know now that I think about it what does "evolved to be closely connected with humanity" even mean? Natural Selection doesn't apply when we're talking about sapient species, especially monster girls. Were humans only fucking the harpies that let them have male children? Surely not?

>>577340854
Interesting.
I must have forgotten about that. I guess you can say that it is a very recent thing, since it sounds like it only started happening within the current generation.
A extra 30 years of retcon time sounds way too short for a massive species evolution of this caliber to happen, but TrTr never cared about numbers in the first place.

>>577339005
>and those male kids are dead
Damn, all at the same time? If so harpies suck at the whole survival thing and they frankly deserve to go extinct…
Also they clearly got opportunities to make more and didn’t. So yeah, priviledged and uncompromising
>it's not
Copium.
>your evidence is paradox's singularity world
And the original world. Again, teleportation also exists there and monsters use it.
>when they make it explicitly clear that the two worlds are very different
No, not very. The biggest change, made clear from the start of the game by Luka himself, is that now humans can use magic much more easily. Not monsters. Humans. Monsters already could use magic.
>And they explicitly wouldn't be able to survive the long journey. Flight is more complicated than just 'go a to b'. Birds have a lot of complications on migration paths that can impact the flock.
And harpies have a human brain and wind magic. So all that crap about real birds doesn’t matter.
>harsh conditions
Harsh conditions like being welcomed by a port that will let you transform their men into little kids for your sick fetishes, or like flying a bee girl that will see your boss and shit herself?
>You're also assuming monsters wouldn't just take pot shots at the non-queen harpies
>because they absolutely would
>the might make right faction would challenge the might
Intresting ASSUMPTION there.
>There's also no evidence Alma would help them
She’s essentially a government worker. THEIR government’s worker.
>and much more importantly they don't even know Alma is there in the first place
Maybe you missed the QUEEN in the Harpy Queen. It’s very unlikely she has never went on business in the ML’s castle. Iirc she even recognizes Alice, but pretends not to. Even if she never met Alma, there’s very few monster who can do what she did, so it would make sense for Lucretia to realize it or suspect and check.

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>>577341107
I found the original japanese if you want that still
>Reina's original response was "May you be happy together forever"
aww
she's so sweet
>what does "evolved to be closely connected with humanity" even mean?
The best way I can think of to summarize it would be "evolution favored the Harpies who weren't total pricks", i.e, all the Harpies who worked together and valued community and teamwork were the friendlier ones who got along with humans and the Jurassics and the like who were more isolationist and strength>everything else and only cared about their own survival died out.

>>577341107
The earliest harpies were not birds, but dinos.
Their more softer, bird like appearance seems to have been the result of fucking humans. Similar to what happened with the old Dragons starting to dying out, and Dragonkin becoming the norm.

>>577341632
Well yes but that would just breed nicer harpies, not harpies that can specifically birth males, which is the point that's being made here. Like there's several soft and docile monster girls like dog girls or something but they can't give human kids
>>577341663
I think Dragon lore is hyper dumb these days given Saja, Ancient Dragon, and Koron all exist and they're all much less dragony than the dragon in the volcano

Are girls that have sex at 10 affection loose women?

>>577339357
>They're probably doing it or planning to do so, they're just far earlier on the path
Reina looks young, but not THAT young. It seems to me they had the time and opportunities.

>>577341815
Dragonkin were what they were supposed to be, but Dragons being far too prideful just mated with animals instead of humans leading to these abominations.
Dragonkin is a return to form, where the animal genes are starting to be replaced with more human ones.
I know, this sounds too wacky.

>>577341663
>Their more softer, bird like appearance seems to have been the result of fucking humans
I find this funny because if you went by the rules of actual evolution this would be a dead end, as monster girls breed by rape, not being an appealing looking mate, as all humans fall for the hyper giga omegapussy that all monster girls seem to have. If we were following actual rules of evolution rape chance should be maximized because if you're not raping you're not breeding

>>577342157
A man gets tired when he sees rape on every corner and starts yearning for a regular woman.

>>577342156
Anon I think you're just making shit up, why would fucking a dog be more prideful than fucking a human. The lore text for the dragon girl clearly implies this is what dragon girls were supposed to look like originally

>>577341815
>and they're all much less dragony than the dragon in the volcano
Saja's only human bits are her torso and head, technically making her less human than the volcano freaks of nature.

>>577342397
I don't think having wing arms makes you less human than the girl who's ass is an entire fucking dragon

>>577341554
>damn, their warmongering queen got almost all of their race killed at the same time with pointless wars
it do be like that yeah
>cope
sorry, that's just how it is. Also "Monsters could always use magic", and yet you miss the part where the increased mana allows them to use more magic and stronger magic more consistently and freely. You are making assumptions about their capabilities that is not actually shown or backed up by the Harpies in the original story.
>monsters are noted to attack other monsters so it's an assumption to think they would attack harpies
>also logistics about physical flight is crap and doesn't apply unless it agrees with my point
>the weak monster race can just spam magic that they're not shown to spam
I see
and harsh conditions is a weather term, anon, don't act like you don't know what it means don't be disingenuous.
>You missed the QUEEN in queen harpy
And that somehow makes her psychic? How does she just supposed to automatically know where Alma is and what Alma's doing? It's perfectly logical to think the weather is just terrible natural conditions.

>"How do you do, fellow humans?"

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>>577341815
Monsters always had the capacity to "choose" their offspring's gender, but it's extremely difficult for them to be able to do it, most refuse to, and the only ones who can do it normally are extremely powerful or ancient (or powerful and ancient) monsters.
The Harpies apparently were just able to evolve to do this for their species without needing to train or unlock it first. The answer could range from them being more human the more they interacted with humans (literally from human genes or just metaphorically) or them just gaining the ability to do it because they like humans and wanted to make their husbands happy if they wanted to have a son.

>>577341663
>Their more softer, bird like appearance seems to have been the result of fucking humans
I think it's just the inverse and those just happened to be the Harpies who were successful(ly nice)

>>577341815
If you speak to the Ancient Dragon, she mentions that Dragons have genes from a unknown origin. That obviously being Koron or the Ancient Dragons directly. Either of those two could lead to the older dragon girls looking like those freaky chimeras since that is what the Ancient Dragons looked like.

>>577343226
As was brought up, monster girl breeding works irrespective of how they look because they just rape you and rape seems to work with a 100% success rate so there's really no need for natural selection to favor more beautiful looking harpies

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>>577342819
stop replying to the fucking bait he's just doing this because it's the same cripplingly autistic iliaschizo shitting up every thread and he thinks he has to le ebin' win every argument even if he makes shit up or looks retarded because he has to control the thread.
oh, wait, i'm "worshipping" the vn now i bet for pointing out mentally deranged behavior.
fucking /v/-faggots.

>>577343571
The harpies who were successful were the ones who favored teamwork and community and formed stable relationships with humans instead of running off on their own and living in isolation. The harpies are weaker than the dinosaurs individually, but they're a lot more numerous, and when you're all in good health and conditions, teamwork is very effective at protecting your husbands and homes.
They just also happened to be very beautiful, too. I don't think the Jura Aevis was "supposed" to be ugly at least.
>>577343859
I know I've had this same conversation in the past before but I had figured it had already been cleared up. But the past times were a lot more sensible and no one made nonsensical reaches like that. I just don't think what the story says is hard to believe, even in light of paradox.

>>577342819
>damn, their warmongering queen got almost all of their race killed at the same time with pointless wars
All of the very important means of maintaining her army’s strength? Instantly?
>>cope
>sorry, that's just how it is.
Come on, anon, you can fight your addiction!
>Also "Monsters could always use magic", and yet you miss the part where the increased mana allows them to use more magic and stronger magic more consistently and freely.
Lucretia already had enough to summon and control powerful winds.
>>monsters are noted to attack other monsters so it's an assumption to think they would attack harpies
A massive group of harpies lead by their queen, yes.
>also logistics about physical flight is crap and doesn't apply unless it agrees with my point
Your “logistics” ignore that we’re talking about magical bird women, not swallows.
>the weak monster race can just spam magic that they're not shown to spam
No, they also don’t need to. The hardest part is the sea crossing and another Queen-tier monster could fuck non-stop with the whole area for long enough to almost ruin businesses.
>I see
Me too.
>and harsh conditions is a weather term, anon
No, it isn’t. It is usually used to describe weather but it can be used for any factor that creats hardship. If you’re using it for that, refer to the above for why that’s stupid.
>>You missed the QUEEN in queen harpy
>And that somehow makes her psychic?
It makes her very likely to know one of the ML’s right hands. Powerful monsters can sense other monsters, as shown by Alice multiple times hiding way before a monster is on sight, and Alma was putting quite the display.

Imagine warmongering harpies wanting your pelvis.

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>>577344781
>Muh poopdickschizo
Not an Iliasfag and I haven't been in this thread for a while now. Sorry to hear that you two bozos can't fathom the idea that more than one person on the internet can have different opinions that you. I suggest you skip therapy and go straight to the mental asylum.