>Steam pagehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3787240/MARVEL_Tkon_Fighting_Souls/>TEAM TRAILERS :>Unbreakable X-Men https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwe13-BKiwo>Amazing Guardianshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nwtrXnN0vY>Fighting Avengershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iab74kM-xA>Knights of Doomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI4qG-wqhLc>Samurai Outridershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QGiaEkqYEE>Phoenix Cyclops revealhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GrMqmDi-SU>Opening intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSk3IMcgVQYPrevious Thread: >>577655329
It would be really funny if they buff Magik.
he has spoken
Give me psylocke or else I riot
>>577790229Which is the superior Magik?
>>577790456Why does she have man shoulders
>>577790229i look just like this
>>577790435we lost bigly tokonsisters
>>577790435He's right
>>577790801he literally said the game is fun, which is good
>>577790229built for Big Bro Colossus
>>577790435idk how anyone could act like he's wrong. all "top" players have basically the same complaints about the game. characters are good and unique but the system mechanics are mostly ass and lots of the guard rails placed on the game make no sense.
The FRAUD has spoken
>>577790610It’s from all the hand jobs she gives
>>577791240He would definitely be better off with many other characters and 90% of the work was down to Spiderman but I hespect it
>>577791240I can't imagine she's better in neutral than Peter. I respect the character loyalty but it's probably the reason he lost.
>>577791271This bitch was thirsting
>>577791271Jesus psychics can't get enough of Scott. He should just ware Magneto's helmet so they don't scramble his brain anymore then it already has.
>>577790435Assist not being able to be hit is a massive part of why neutral in this game is such a joke, there's hardly any consequences to mashing assists at all timesOther Mvc has the same assist spam but you could actually punish and kill your opponents for bad assist calls, and tokon even has additional teammates and more broken assists than dbfz and invincible vs with near uninteractable assists along with active tag
>>577792643>Assist not being able to be hit is a massive part of why neutral in this game is such a joke,so they just need to fix this
>Tokon tour starts with Evo France in October Odds on a balance patch before then?
>>577792643I forgot invincible vs was even a thing. Is that shit good? I watched the Evo grand finals and it was literally 80% niggas running away from each other
>>577793021not happening
>>577793021not impossible but low
>>577793042It was fun to mash in for a few weeks but it's kind of shit desu.
>>577793042I think like the day before EVO someone found an infinite that couldn't get patched out until after it so it may not have been the best showing of the games quality
>>577793021Depends on when Cyclops drops I guess
>>577793042They have an actual pushblock and bursts, so invincible vs was very defensive and the polar opposite of tokonInvincible's issues imo was having some of the worst character designs and movesets in fgs from having to adapt edgy knockoff capeslop with a whole race of supermans. It was fun to play since it had good movement, but watching high elo matches was a timeout simulator especially early on, and /co/ wasn't frothing at the mouth to play ripoff man/woman in tights #20 and lorefag about it so it's dead now
The green lantern show is on if anyone wanted to know and cared
Her name is actually Kamala? It's not just a meme?
>>577790487I wish Tokon Magik didn't have the stupid blue color added and it was just yellow againAnd that she had pantyhose with sliiiightly shorter boots
>>577795009Mods soon
>>577794962Yes, but she never ran for president.
>>577795469Modded pantyhose are always just damn leg colors and don't ever have any textures
I need Loki combos and gameplay videos, any pro players playing him?
>>577795657There was a guy named Huebert at CEO that got decently far.
>Game is perfectly stable 60fps on singleplayer>Go online>Bad performance regardless of opponent or if they're even on PCAm I doing something wrongI am well above the requirements, people kept saying the patch fixed it, I am even using DLSS and low settings to make sure there's no chance my PC is strugglingI just want to play
>>577796472specs? are you monitoring FPS/frametime/etc while playing?
How is the balance of the roster?
>>577797382don't pick ms marvel or penis or the secret character and you'll be fine
>>577796789>monitoring FPS/frametime/etcWhat's a good program for doing that
>>577798197i use msi afterburner and run the graphs on a side monitor to see gpu/cpu usage and the aforementioned stats
>>577797509peni literally made top 3 at the first big tournament, she's good enough for random guy to play him>b-but he swapped to spiderman a lotyeah and also landed a ton of hits as peni and deliberately swapped to start every round with her + the entire point of the game is to swap between characters constantly not to only play a loli and nobody else
>>577786631Ms. Marvel is the cutest it should be her
Sol
>>577799253Nta and I didn't get to watch CEO. Did the guy have an easy way to swap out of Peni, leave them in blockstun and then run a mix on them? Playing her myself, and that's one of my biggest problems with her. With Magik, I can 214M, tag out, and then get an air dash mix at least. I'm trying to do the same thing with the pendulum, but it's not working out as well.I enjoy her neutral, so I'll probably keep her on point, but I just wanna see what other people are doing to cover her flaws. I guess that guy plays spiderman, so basically any active tag from Peni to spiderman can lead into his mix.
>>577799253The problem is his peni didn't do shit that someone else couldn't do and everytime he swapped in peni he literally lost the round. Go count how many times he swapped in peni and died because her buttons are dogshit and shes easily bullyable
>>577802686I would have loved if Danger was the Xrd Sol function
Most Christian characters for my team?
>>577806829Captain Americathat's itCarnage is a redneck so maybe him?
>>577806829This is what we have as far as I knowBlade is in a weird spot because I don't think we see him acting like a christian but given that he hunts vampires and demons and im pretty sure he has met the devil a few times he proably believes it
>>577807881Hulk, also depending on the run is less of an "atheist" and more of an avatar of a god himself
How do you add sharpening to this game? The stupid DLSS has none for some reason
How's this shit not $20 yet?
>Loki's parries all have different startups for the parry sectionsBut why...
Rate my team /tokon/
>>577808498trying too hard to be unique/10
>Someone cracked Tokon>Removed the PSN and other bloated shit Sony wanted put in>Tokon is able to run 60 FPS on a 10 year old computer.https://odysee.com/marveltokonoldpc:5
>>577808498special snowflake dogshit
>>577809365I think it's running ok because it straight up can't load most assets
https://x.com/Nidan997983/status/2089081105974530099/video/1Cap can be cool
>>577809365DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS SHIT IS RANSOMWARE
>>577809365im not clicking this my nigga
>>577811261>>577811342Dread it, run from it; Mustard gas comes for us all.
>>577806829When they add nightcrawler or daredevil
>>577807881Blade sounds like a Hellboy situation
>>577811342I really need a compilation of funny/cute crops from Tokon's story mode
>I BELIEVE. MY DRILL IS MY SOUL
>>577796789>>577798286Looking at it more in depth, it's still stupid in that cpu usage is around 30, there's plenty of ram and vram that's unused and my gpu usage is around 40 percent tooI don't get it, it does occasionally dip to 59fps but that's it
>>577813760using dlss/fsr? vsync on or off ingame? trying limiting to 60fps manually with gpu drivers or rtss. can also try manually warming up shaders in the graphics options of tokon
>>577813760This might sound stupid but try limiting fps to 59.9 instead of 60. For some reason when I limiti to 60 i get micro stutters while limiting at 59.9 gives me a clean 16.6ms frametime
>>577792643genuinely what the fuck possessed them to design a tag game like this? Its pretty clear they didn't want to make it a tag game at all (but must've felt they had to)
>>577808454The worst thing about Loki's parries is that it's only if you hit him during the startup that the parry goes into effect. Half the time I try to do 214[M] the opponent still mashes, it's just a bit delayed, and I still get hit.
>>577811467Will he ever be playable or is he persona non grata for modern Marvel and not allowed to come across as cool?
>>577815795Never ever. He became cool briefly after the first Disney Captain America movie and conventions got into a tizzy when con-goers were dressed as and behaving like Hydra members.
>>577790229Magik makes me harder than her brother
>top 8 tokon>this game sucks now listen i got credNever have I seen pros shitting on their cash cow, that's just how bad tokon is
>>577816697sf6 pros shit on their game all the timesame thing with tekken prosleffen straight up said 2xko current state was worse than tokon
>>577816697happens literally all the time
>>577816832Screenshot a sf6/t8 pro stating they don't want to play their game and rather stick to xyz. They ask for patches at bestBasically what SonicFox Supernoon did after 1 day of Tokon
>>577816697You are outing yourself as a larper if you say they never shit on their game lmao. Do you even play fighting games you nigger?
>>577814305>using dlss/fsr?Honestly doesn't have any proper effect apart from shifting like 10% usage from the GPU to CPU>VsyncOff>Limiting 60fpsIt was already set like that>ShadersDid it after getting the game & updating my drivers already>>577815270I don't know if it was this or also turning nvidia latency thing to ultra but it did help a bit. I'll test more tomorrow but at this point I feel like I can blame the game instead
https://x.com/i/status/2089141328663695383Some motherfucker is making a Scarlet Spider mod with old style shaders
Is there a way to make Loki's combos more consistent? Feels like hes really strict on timing and shit and dont work if theyre 0.01 inches too far away
>>577790487I haven't played Rival, so left
Surprised at how many tech posts on twitter are from people in Japan. Wonder how popular the game is over there
every tokon fanboy is blinded by graphics and ipcan't defend how ass the gameplay is at this point. don't get me started on pc port and broken matchmaking lmao
>>577793042Im more curious is the actual comic/show is good. Is it actually good? Or just popular because people convincing themselves its good because its hyperviolent so therefore mature and adult so normies arnt self conscious about watching a cartoon?
>>577817816i hate marvel as an ip and the last superhero movie i watched was dark knight trilogy
Found a cool corner to corner Loki combo that only uses 1 assist and deals 64k damage with 120ish meterThe problem is it only works on grounded as the opponent is very fucking liable to just drop out after the 22L if they have any airtime5M > 2M > 22L > 623H > 8 > jM > j214M > 9 > jM > jH > j.c jHH > Lariat assist > dash a bit and then 5M > 2H > j.c JM > jH > jc. jH > j6H > j214H > 5M > SuperCan do the lv1 super for less meter or just do 214L instead of the supers if you just don't want to spend any meter apart from the initial 623H and get a wallbreak. Will literally work corner to corner so spacing doesn't matter really and isn't reliant on moves with break>>577817471Hey I was just going to post this before I saw your post damnI'm pretty new to labbing him but he really is very finnicky so you have to get used to using things that you know are very stable. For me the simplest parts that always work are just carrying the opponent with a basic air combo that only has air normals and ends in a spike into assist like jh jm jc jh jh into assist The stupid and garbage spacing gimmicks aren't that difficult if you've already put them into the corner so j6H WILL go into that stupid fucking j214 special while getting anything to work midscreen is strict like you've said. Honestly Loki has god tier wall carry hehe so it's not that bad
Tokon needs more women!
>>577817831The comic was mainly a superhero book making fun of comic tropes even if the characters were written to take it seriously for the sole purpose of being a jab at the comic industry as a whole. There's still actual stuff being played straight but you have to understand it was a product of it's time which is why a lot of people were iffy on the show adaptation be slightly rewritten to taking everything seriously. That and everyone whose read it knows the story goes to shit after the first Viltrumite War.Anyways to answer your question, your enjoyment of the book is in relation to your tolerance of how much pointless drama you can handle. The show shaves off most of the pointless drama if the previous sentence makes it sound unappealing.
>>577818384Jut give me Gwendolyn Poole, Rogue, maybe Wanda and some random obscure girl from the 70's, 80's or 90's.
I am baffled by these games that somehow make life harder for both veterans and beginners with their genius ideas. I see a lot of people criticizing the game from the systems perspective or gameplay etc, but I am extremely resilient to all that. But, what blew me away was the amount of 2xkoness when it comes to bloat, unintuitive stuff and this desperate notion that motion inputs are the devil and nothing is worse than them.That would maybe be true for someone new, but I bet my life that not even the freshest newcomer is going to find motion inputs harder than 1-special button adding to button bloat2-specials having three strengths, which are done by pressing special button and attack button of the desired strength at the same time (which btw will be a diagonal double press on a stick regardless of layout)3-all specials being command-buttons You can hypothetically play this with six buttons if you get rid of the special button, but you can't really do that, so if you only add that, it's a seven button fighter.Everything they seem to have done in order to make the game "more welcoming" ended up being more cumbersome.You don't want pesky combo memorization? We got you, if you press the same button twice in an aerial combo, the second press is going to be a knockdown finisher. Ok, but what if i don't want that? Well, if you don't want to do that and would like to perhaps do another jump cancel or something, now you need to circumvent that by doing aerial command normals in order to not trigger this, like forward heavy into jump I don't know, maybe I'm out of touch or something, but I messed with the game for like half an hour and it was one of the most unintuitive fg's I've ever played when it comes to basic things. why do they think that unique button into attack button into double buttons done quickly is somehow more comfortable than, i don't know, motion into button into motion into button?
>>577793042It was really fun but extremely jank. I got top 10 on the leaderboards and the top top players just didn't interact since the game was so volatile. I remember playing zippy and the guy literally did nothing but call that broken Eve assist and run away. I don't know how it is anymore, though. I actually really liked the game but that shit died within 2 weeks.
Is Ironman a good point character?
I find it interesting how tag games that clearly try to cater to Marvel fags like Skullgirls Power rangers and invincible never captured the Marvel fag audience.
>>577818546i like both the Gwen's. a lot of people shy away from Gwenpool cause they don't think they could handle two Deadpool's in one game, but i try to reassure them that she doesn't have the same sense of humor as Wade. she isn't as... overbearing. lol
>>577818982I've seen Hook play him really well as point
>>577818982Yeah he seems good
>>577819021My two cents? Skullgirls is too old, Battle for the Grid has a repugnant art style, and Invincible is unironically too hard for normies. lol
>>577819076You say that but every single gwenpool comic and reappearance after her initial run character assassinated the fuck out of her and turned her into "haha lol chimichanga pancakes ecksdee" Deadpool with tits
>>577819191Skullgirls also has a fuckton of drama and baggage attached to it at this point which made a lot of skull girls players quit the game
>>577818682Tbf nothing stops you from getting rid of the special button and just use the motions for everything. I think you would be surprised by how much motion inputs filters casuals. I'm talking about actual casuals, not people who are trying to get into fighting games
>>577795492She actually does lolhttps://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Kamala_Khan_(Earth-18366)
STOP GIVING ME j.6H AFTER MY JUMP CANCEL AAAAAAAA
>>577819273So what ever happened to MikeZ and the lawsuit anyways?
>>577819197you're right, but i'd argue Deadpool suffers from similar characterization. people will tell you you only need to read certain Deadpool runs because some writers make him more of a "haha lol chimichanga XDDD" than others.
>>577819509I know that MikeZ worked on the Avatar game and people tried to cancel the game over it without much success
>>577819273I still play skullgirls but yeah, the drama and dumb decisions make it hard to talk about. It feels like most people play the mobile thing these days too.>>577819560I think it's because his position in it was relatively low, and also it's avatar. Also paramount is already a shitty company and that's why people justified leaking the Aand movie, so no one gives a shit about mikez in comparison
I just wish there was more point character variation in the top 8
>>577819197>>577819523This is why I could never see myself working in the comic industry. I cant even imagine how soulcrushing it is for me to not own my own characters and after I finish my storyline, some guy who probably never even read it gets to be in charge and have complete creative control over my character and decides theyre a pdf file now.
>>577819560I never really understood this mentality that Americans have where people have to be hounded and punished for the rest of their lives if they did something/said something bad once. Like, the guy has to work, earn money, eat, and have a roof over his head like every other human being. As long as someone sufficient served their time and not in a position of power or authority who tf cares
>>577819509Even if Mike did make lewd comments or made a terrible cant breath joke wasnt the whole thing basically a smear campaign to blackmail or steal his company?
I think the short cooldown on assists is fine apart from maybe assault assists specifically The problem is how long they stay "active" without being damageable but taggable
>>577819909This society was founded by literal the Puritans doing witch hunts, and the reverberations still lingers. >>577820072I still feel like the It's Over status began the minute Alex Ahad left first
the only realistic fix is roping
>>577817029>Screenshot a sf6/t8 pro stating they don't want to play their gameJust go to their twitters, they bitch and moan all the time, only reason they don't stop is because they don't want to get jobs
>>577820276nice cherrypick greentext. They'll never say I prefer avatar/2xko/mvc over sf6/t8. only thing they ask is make sf6/t8 better.Meanwhile tokon pros would prefer puyo puyo tetris over this mess
>>577820421>They'll never say I prefer avatar/2xko/mvc over sf6/t8.They literally do
I've no idea when to use the parry and when to go for the universal armor insteadThey seem to do the exact same thing
tokon might be the first anti streamboar game>extremely fun to play>ass to watch
>>577820770And that's why it's great
>>5778207704 buttons > assist > special > swap > repeat is ass to watch, ass to play against. Singleplayer game you can't stream
>>577820770I like watching and playing. CEO was filled with too many Spider-Man's on point but the game is a week old
>>577821080same
>>577811206cap is a sleeper character in this game for sure, his assault assist is secretly quite fucked up. there's a lot of setups on wall slump where you can in theory put a huge meaty projectile setup on their head and they have to stand up into it, but they can do the 4L+A backdash counter thing to get out of itbut cap assault assist blocks them parrying the projectile and counters them, meaning they just have to sit there and hold it, 6f startup and over 60f duration on a parry that beats everything but lows is pretty fucking good when combined with how assists don't even go away when hit in this game and their fucked invuln windows, you can genuinely call cap, get hit, and have him save your ass. and even if he doesn't parry he just swings anyway for pressure, and he has a different followup based on how close they are.
>>577817471>>577818135jump 236h is a great fix to fucked up spacing from what i've seen and then the bounce lets you just kind of do stuff
here's a closer look at Psylocke.
and Rogue.
>>577821851j236h is great when it actually works considering that move itself is so fucking prone to whiffingWhen it does connect the massive frame advantage allows you to whatever I guess but I still don't like it much.
>>577821914>>577822021Blasphemy, Psylocke shouldn't look hotter than Rogue
apparently you can use the first 2 hits of autocombo to realign yourself to get hits on moves you wouldn't normally in combos
>>577790487If only Rival's Magik didn't look like a man.
DeadShitGame
>>577822823How bout forkknife
>>577823509Didn't know that they push her that hard.
>>577823774This show from a few years ago probably gave her more attention than she usually got
cap is a real cool guy in this game, I was under the impression that outside of movies he was either just boring or a strawman for one writers politics or another but they got actual marvel comic guys to do the story mode in this right? any comic recs?
>>577824786>any comic recs?Try stuff released before 2010, do NOT try reading Marvel shit after that apart from Immortal Hulk or Moon Knights shit because literally everything else is pure dogshit actual feces tier. Read The Immortal Iron Fist its one of the best capeslop runs ever easily top 5.
>>577824417that's a movie not a show.
They can save this game by adding Cloak and Dagger + Spider Gwen and Miles Morales
>>577825234>They can save this game by adding Cloak and Dagger + Spider Gwen and Miles Morales
>>577825234One Spider-man is already top tier and you wanna add a second one???
>>577825364>one Goku is already top tier and you wanna add two moreyes
>>577825234Miles is probably inevitable considering the preset team names for Champions and Spiderverse in the datamines.
>>577825848Im going to drop this game then.
>>577825982okay
>>577825982see ya. hope you didn't play past the refund window.
>>577824786Read Brubaker cap run and move on. Marvel actually fucking sucks it’s just casuals really fucking love the brand
>>577826132>>577826135Youre subhumane self hating white western cuckolds. Lowest life forms in the universe,go back to kneeling.
>>577824786Kieron Gillen did the writing for this game and most of his work is pretty solid.
>>577826492oof let me slop up my shovelware kusoge. I let Avatar chads step on me while I wait 2 hours in matchmaking
>>577826492Miles is only half black. His mom's latino.
>>577825848you can already get a spiderverse team, it's just having 2-3 of spidey/peni/carnage
>>577827086It takes 5+ minutes to find ranked match in Tokon negro. This isnt own you think it is.
>>577790435Sonicfox out here shitting on Marvel players.
>>577818682doesn't have to be a diagonal double press on stick thoughL M H QSyou don't need to press L+QS if you want the L version, so it's either two buttons next to each other for the EX version, or M+QS for the M version
>>577827267It's what I thought at first, but it's a team only specifically called "Spiderverse" by itself, without the prefix that generated team names usually have.
>>577790435Body slammed tokonfags I hope he continues to dominate just for butthurt
>>577825982>>577826492Calm down nigga
they should add all the fake caps like us agent and flag smasher
assist cooldown nerf when
>>577827590>>577828760Wish he had the ballz to full boycott instead of securing da bag. yee ye ass game with its pros apologizing for playing slopkon after winning
Not being able to attack a character during the active tag window is actually kinda retarded if we’re being honest
danger bros...
>>577835054>Goblin downplaying
>>577835054I haven't seen Doom in top 24 or maybe I wasn't paying enough atentionHe seems strong but why no one is running him ?
>>577835441The only one playing him at the tournament was K7 and he got hit by random assists all the time in neutral with his dash
>>577835441Yeah Magneto and Doom need to be swapped in that list
>>577835054How can we save danger?
>>577835054Who made this?
Man I fucking hate how starlord looks in this game, who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give him a Tintin ahh haircut and a pdfstache? He also looks overly bulky in general.
is mvci actually a hidden gem?
>>577835901Give back her instant air overhead off her dash, and let her teleport in the air and she'll instantly go up 2 tiers.
>>577835054Loki seems so mid despite being really popular and a lot of ecelebs playing him
>>577837156I might be very wrong but he's the real potential man. I feel like his stocks will only go up when people start running more interesting setupsOr he might be just twitter tech fodder, dunno
>>577836236The topless helmet has always been shit but I guess they're afraid of having a hero in a stahlhelm
>Tokon worst fighting game launch ever -Sajam (SonicFox your #1 too)This will haunt you guys for a long time
>>577837576You can really tell that Sajam is back on Capcom's payroll. There is no way Tookon is worse than SF5 launch, it's not even comparable. The PC port issues are awful, but at the very least there is a version of Tookon that works and is feature-complete.
>>577835054Magik is too high
>>577835054>Deadpool low-midYeah that tracks. I tried him out for a few days but I just constantly felt like nothing Deadpool has is good enough to justify him constantly killing himself. He has a shitrillion tools just to do what most of the top and high tiers can do without spending a resource at all, let alone one as valuable as health
>>577837576isn't this the guy who tried to make 2XKO a sensation? sounds like he's just bitter to me. lol
>>577835997DNS_LLon on twitter
>>577837576It's probably in the bottom ten, but is it in the bottom five? Off the top of my head some other bad launches>SFV>Uni 2>StriveI think there was like a KoF rerelease/port that was also totally nonfunctional?
>>577838575KoFXV had broken matchmaking for almost 2 years. Yes you read that right for almost 2 years lmao.
>instantly blame capcom, 2xko, seek for worse games, aint true bottom 5 worst launch only!!!
>>577838682This only applied to PC.
I wanna build a team around Ironman and goblin and so far I got Ironman leader, goblin shooter, mag vertical, and danger assault. Mag and danger are more or less assist bots. Is this a decent team or should I swap some characters or positions around? I really tried to play loki on point but I hate how finicky he is. Goblin is the only hard requirement.
>>577835054Is goblin the only character with the unique role or specifically not being a point character and being top tier?
>>577835054>>577835054Is goblin the only character with the unique role or specifically not being a point character and being top tier?
>>577838885Why play danger if you can run blade and have even better assist?iron man is good, just technicalhe can make some things happen for you to swap to goblin for mix
>>5778385752XKO definitely qualifies. Early access with only 10 characters, staggered launch, matchmaking issues, shitty nonfunctional lobby system, screen-tearing on the ps5 once they finally managed to have a console version etc.Also let's not forget Avatar, "don't worry we will patch in observing, ranked and missing animations later".
>>577839410still can't be in traning mode and queue for games because and I quote"MATCHMAKING IS THAT FAST"Which clearly isn't true. 2xko has some dumb shit going on
>>577839410Avatar $302xko freeVSmost expensive fg having the same or worse issues
>CEO was nothing but Spiderman
>>577839567I don't think price is a factor when considering how bad a game's launch is. I mean sure, it sucks more if the expensive game you bought doesn't work vs a free game you downloaded, but it ultimately doesn't have an impact on quality one way or the other. Even if Tookon had cost 6000 dollarydoos, the launch would still be better than SF5.
>>577839695Yeah I agree it is pretty dreadful, Spider-Man works better as a working class hero.
>>577835054Very similar to Rivals list.
>>577839723Are you content with tokon being 2nd/3rd worst launch what's your goalpost at this point? Doesn't change things are rough and players seem largely unhappy
>>577839849It's good it was so that Arcsys can immediatey pin point the problems and fix them>Spiderman + Goblin>assist spam
>>577840218really makes you think...
>>577840382I think people are over-exaggerating the issue. Yeah it is a terrible launch for PC, but let's face it: terrible releases are unfortunately the norm, not the exception with fighting games (and honestly most non-indie games these days). I think people are more upset than usual not because the launch stands out as a truly awful, but because it's quite clear as to why this launch in particular is shit and how it could have been avoided, whereas other terrible launches are usually more nebulous.
>>577840419Spider will get hit Nothing will happen to gob
>>577839695>started to watch CEO >first ten matches were literally MAGIK MAGIK MAGIK>turned on at 2nd day>no Magik at all
>>577840715over-exaggerated hate because flaws are too obvious and avoidable...?
>>577841575I do not understand the Magik hateShe has good normals and she can setup a nasty mixup but it's nothing in comparison to other characters. I think she's just popular
>>577841693I think she is just very popular among players. At least from what I saw she isn't on Spidey and Goblin level but she is still very high tier.
Seeing champion in the comic honestly made him super lame to me. His reasons for not fighting hulk or thor makes him look like a pussy making up excuses to not fight someone Hulk>I-I won't sully my hands on an animal, this is suppose to be honorable combat between man to man!Thor>n-n-no weapons allowed!
>>577842063He was a villainThat's how they portrayed them back then
>>577818384updated this to move some heroes around and to swap Nico for Elektra.
remember when carmen sandiego was elektra? we could have had a totally different timeline...
>>577845348Carmen Sandiego isn't a real person, anon. lol
>>577844784>majority are genderswaps off male OGsThank god I play this game because I like fighting games because capeslop enjoyers are actual subhumans. Unless you're autistic or retardrd why would you care about any of le heroes and other characters when they can get replaced instantly like pair of socks that do not matter,never did and never will.
>>577847431if you aint into that why are you here? pick a better game
>>577847839Learn to read shitskin. I specifically stated why I like Tokon.
>>577847431that's a very reductive way of looking at things. it speaks to the legacy and longevity of heroes that they inspired others to take on similar mantles, be they women or men.
>>577848560Thats the most sissyfied sentences i have ever read. I hope you're just coombrained ghoul and not some skinnyfat feminist male.
>>577848560God nu-Marvel artstyle is so fucking horrendous.
>>577848903what's sissified about someone like Nightwing or Superboy taking up the mantles of Batman or Superman respectively after their father's die or retire or get trapped in another dimension?
>>577847431Yeah but not my goat gwenpool.
>>577847431>Unless you're autistic or retardrd why would you care about any of le heroes and other characters when they can get replaced instantly like pair of socksBro are you fucking serious? You know Superman is almost 100 years old right? How many socks you keep around for 100 years? Bro all of this shit is done DECADES after the character's story should have ended long ago with real closure but they never do. That's the real reason to not care about capeshit: They aren't characters, they're IPs, so their stories can never end and they can never change too much.
>>577847431>You can't enjoy Wally West because Barry Allen came first.Are you a moron?
>>577849498Amount of times it makes sense with proper build up like with Nightwing(who does so for like one run at most) in comparison to virtue signaling asspulls or just incompetence of writers who cant come up with ideas to make legacy characters interesting so they just race/genderswap is insane. Ratio is 9/10 in favour of braindead asspulls so yeah no thanks, I dont give a fuck about Thor being replaced with Thor with tits maybe if i would be a coombrained waifu tard I would be happy that I can stroke to my favourite character now.>>577849712Thats a big issue too but mangas going for decades somehow magically dont pull off that type of shit.>>577849886No but you clearly are. You are goodest of the goys consuming sloppiest of the slop.
>practiced for 2 days for a couple of minutes in training>can now Perfect Reflect any crossover easilydamn they really need to do something about ittoday I didn't practice, the opponent did that very sporadically and still countered them every time
>>577849712You can tell great individual stories with static characters, character development or growth is not always needed for a great story. I reject this idea that their age or static nature is the reason why American comic book super heroes are shit, people have told several excellent stories about Sherlock Holmes or Robin Hood, and those characters are old and usually very static.
>>577850279Once again, that is on purpose. Perfect Reflect is there to balance Cross-over. If you nerf it, Cross-over becomes broken as it is extremely strong already.
>>577850127>Thats a big issue too but mangas going for decades somehow magically dont pull off that type of shit.Very few, if any manga carry on like western comics AND they don't all exist in a shared universe. Even if they keep pumping out Dragonball manga, it doesn't effect ability of Shueisha to publish new, good stories. And you say manga that go on for decades, but many of these superheroes are more than half a century old, much older than the oldest manga.On top of all of that, you're fucking wrong. It's literally what Boruto is.
>>577850398It depends. Stories need closure. That's why there are capeshit books I like, and unsurprisingly its mostly stuff by guys like Alan Moore usually write side stories that actually have an end. It's why "What ever happened to Superman?" is actually good. It ends. Stories need to end. >people have told several excellent stories about Sherlock Holmes or Robin Hood,Different interpretations of a character are exactly what I am saying can work. What DOES NOT work is keeping the exact same continuity over a century. Marvel tries to say basically every comic in the 616 timeline is canon unless its been explicitly retconned. That is not good story telling to let the story of the 616 universe go on forever. Sherlock Holmes and Robin Hoods adaptations have endings.
>>577850741>Sherlock Holmes and Robin Hoods adaptations have endingsBut you can have multiple Sherlock Holmes stories in the same continuity without the need for any of the stories to be a definitive end to Sherlock Holmes. A story can have a conclusive end without it needing to be the end of the character. Sherlock solving the mystery and the culprit getting his comeuppance is a satisfying end, and the knowledge that Sherlock will go on to solve more mysteries in the future does not somehow tarnish that. You could tell a really good Superman story in the current continuity with the story ending conclusively while Superman himself returns to status quo for the next story to pick up from. I think the real problem that you have somewhat hit upon is the fact that many comic book writers don't treat the characters and the setting as static. They try to develop the characters and change the status quo, which usually falls flat because it gets undone by later writers, which is frustrating to read.
https://youtu.be/rkze9IVNkjkStill doing solo still no resources still the best. How does he do it?
>>577850528>On top of all of that, you're fucking wrong. It's literally what Boruto is.You mean trash that everyone hates and thinks it sucks balls? Thanks for proving my point.
what was up with everyone at CEO going for wallbreak over the hard knockdown reset even when they had all their assists and full assemble gauge? feel like in Top 8 every time JWong said "Are they going to go for the knockdown or the-" and every time they went stage transition. There some other kind of benefit?
>>577852079Sometimes dropping the kill, sometimes wanting the assist point back
>>577852079They probably did all their practice on X-Mansion and didn't have the muscle memory to switch to combos that don't break the wall
>>577835054Did any of the actual pros make one yet
>>577852079Some characters are actually reliant on their break moves for combos so being close to the wall makes their routing difficult
>Watching Huebert for Loki gameplay>Never uses feints or the U skills (literally only used 1 U skill in his last set with Kayos which was in a combo)>Diaphone also uses Loki, look at his sets>Also 0 feint and U skill usageWhat am I missing, there's no way half of a character's kit can be unusably bad while he's still making top 36s in a 1k tournament
>>577852079You get a pip back, which is important since you need at least one pip in reserve against Cross-over and another to enable most mix. You also get a hard knockdown which many characters can convert into pressure, while the knockdown in the corner can be trickier as they get to choose their wake-up timing and direction.
>>577854413>Some characters are actually reliant on their break moves for combosname 1, the combo system in this game is deliberately super loose and you can always do something else, it's just >>577852713
>>577852079people are bad because the game just came out, that's all there is to it. next tournament im sure will be much more optimized.
i've been really thinking about swapping my team from >point mag/shooter cap/vert ms marvel/assault iron manto>point cap/shooter iron man/vert mag/assault carnagebut i'm having a lot of trouble sentimentally dropping ms marvel because i've played her since the beta, but i really think this new lineup would be way better and more fun..
>>577807881Blade must be a believer otherwise his gear and equipment wouldn't work me thinks
>>577807881norman osborn would be a zionist
>>577854534>What am I missing, there's no way half of a character's kit can be unusably bad while he's still making top 36s in a 1k tournamentfirst fighting game?anyway as a loki beliver myself his U's are way too easy to break and too slow to setup in a game where assists are this free and they also activate to do nothing against tech rolls so you can really only set them up if you decide to use wallslump to set one up meaty and his feints and counters are just a really situational tool that I feel like in most situations are outdone by just actually doing his moves. why feint fireball to get an airdash when for a slightly longer total startup you can just iceball which lets you airdash in while +frame? why feint dash to bait someone out when you can just cross behind them and avoid their hits that way?
The Ms. Marvel discord got real mad about this one....
Heres your Top 8 bro>1. Spider-Man was amongst every team in the Top 8, but was played in all 4 positions>2. Blade and Magento were commonly used in a supportive role (notably their best positions: Vertical and Assault), but they did have leader presentation!>3. Green Goblin was the big talk of the town the last few days leading up to CEO, but the majority of his representation got eliminated in Top 16! Even with that said, his presence was still felt from Sonicfox and Yami>4. Magik being the primary character in online play surprisingly was on the lower end of representation in Top 8 despite data showing she had as close to an even spread as you can get in every team position. Even with that said, she's still a very strong character (debately Top 3). >All in all, the character spread for the roster seems pretty solid. 11/20 characters were present in the Top 8, but ofc with how Tokon team structure works, not every character had "true" play time. Roughly 8/11 saw some form of playtime in the leader position at some point throughout Top 8. For the first major only 2 weeks after the game's release, I think we couldn't have gotten a better Top 8. Especially with a surprise appearance like Peni making it as far as she did!
>>577856086early meta is always gonna skew towards safe easy picks especially with money on the line. spiderman is obviously very good but i'm curious to see if he stays this omnipresent in the meta a month from now even. i think blade usage will go up even more though
I'm having difficulty recognizing when I can route into certain combos off of certain hits. How do you guys do it? Particularly on the first half of the combo. The latter half is usually more uniform since assemble j.HH into assemble assist behaves consistently
>>577856319I just never do the version of the combo that can wiff at full length. So I don't need to guess.
>>577854991>too slow to setupI thought they had fast startups imoThey are just way too easy destroy though, for sure
>>577858586it's about 45f to setup, when projectiles hit you fullscreen in about 30-ish. they're way too slow and since they're also so easy to blow up there's no value in using assists to set them up because as you can see in this image the "area" you can hit to destroy them is gigantic and it doesn't seem to actually interact with moves that destroy itit's one of those classic "we were afraid of this move being giga retarded, so we made it giga bad instead" a trap that freezes them for about a full second, is like +30 on block and lasts for a very long time in an assist game is really degenerate in concept when the character also has good pokes, good fireballs, good movement and multiple + on block specials, but in practice they just get tagged by random shit and instantly lose.compare this w/ trish in umvc3, who has a pretty similar move except not only does it take about 1/4th the time to throw out, it actively negates the hitboxes of whatever interacts with it which means you can use it as a shield against all kinds of divekicks and projectiles even if they also destroy it. loki is way more fun and better though so maybe again it's ok his trap sucks
you guys werent kidding about outriders being the best episode mode
>>577861312its not even close, it feels like the canon one
>>577861312it is and i'm autistically influenced by character stories so i want to main deadpool/ghost rider/loki but i have 2 other characters i want to put in a team so i can only choose 2
>>577856245If we were talking about games from 20 years ago, these types of arguments would hold more weight. It used to be the case that weak characters actually could become strong with new tech discoveries or shifts in the meta, and vice versa. But modern games are so simple and locked down that within a week or two, it’s obvious to everyone what’s strong and what’s not, and it hardly ever changes until there’s a patch. The games themselves just don’t offer the type of flexibility that you’d need to actually experiment and make new discoveries.
the main problem with lokis traps and tricks is the reward is horrible. even in a best case scenario where you can do something cheeky like gapless string into 5U and because they were mashing back counter they parry it, but you were charging the counter the whole time so you counter their counter you... get less then a throw of damage, no ability to follow up, and a knockdown you can't really do anything withmaybe it's lore since in the story loki is trying to be an actual hero and change his dickhead ways, you're not supposed to rely on traps and overly complicated plans to instead unga sword normals and big + frame special moves like any true protagonist
>>577861859>and it hardly ever changes until there’s a patch.this is the actual problem, people don't develop metas, they find what's cheap right away and run that till a patch makes a new ez cheap thing.
>>577861859people are already thinking they underrated cap and peni due to how they were played at ceo, even in more simple modern games you can't judge a meta by the first few weeks with broken online. it always takes a few months for the real metagame to crystalize. like yeah obviously blade, goblin, spidey, shuri are all amazing but that doesn't mean the meta won't change ever again, its not how it works. people thought blanka was shit in sf6 until mena dropped luke to pick him up in S2 despite him getting no changes between then
>>577862149>people are already thinking they underrated cap and peni due to how they were played at ceoThose people are retarded. Peni was completely useless at CEO.
>>577862224she wasn't, there were multiple games where she was singlehandedly taking rounds off sonic without being tagged out. kayos specifically said he ran her because her tag out to spiderman is the best in the game in his opinion.
I hope sonic fox dominates for this games entire life
>top 3 at CEO>"PENI WAS USELESS"
>>577862375You and I did not watch the same CEO. >>577862405>teams of 4 >people using magneto solely for his assist and never even playing him>you: A CHARACTER WAS ON A TEAM WEEK 1 THEREFORE THEY'RE GOOD Retard.
its pretty gay that i can't buy the cap classic skin on its own
>>577862405BUFF HER! BUFF HER!
>>577862710>You and I did not watch the same CEO.yeah you watched with your eyes closed. heres a timestamp https://youtu.be/FneZUpWXfWs?t=378
remove the snoy shit already
are there any good iron man players to watch yet
https://x.com/i/status/2089411755860533458
>>577862971>there were multiple games where she was singlehandedly taking rounds off sonic without being tagged outYou realize this does not happen in the video you just linked me, right? Moron
Diaphone openly calling ms marvel his ex is fucking wild
>>577861859>The games themselves just don’t offer the type of flexibility that you’d need to actually experiment and make new discoveries.Incorrect, it's just that the flow of information is much faster these days. Of course it could take months or even years to discover that a character was good when you didn't have the modern internet to talk about things. You literally had people going into international tournaments and getting completely blindsided by unblockable setups and the like because they those hadn't been discovered in their local area and there weren't really any platforms to share this info. These days, as soon as someone discovers anything about a character, it gets posted everywhere. You also have way more players playing, which increases the discovery rate even higher.
>>577863101i literally linked you the round where peni was on offense the entire time man i don't know what else to say at this point
apparently the cracked version of tokon can run on toasters at max settings kek. FUCK sony
>>577864158>>there were multiple games where she was singlehandedly taking rounds off sonic without being tagged outWhat do you see in this screenshot? Is it a Peni on point "singlehandedly taking rounds off of sonicfox without being tagged out?" Because this is the round you linked mebtw I combed through the entire set for you and Peni took exactly ONE round off of sonic and it isn't even the one you linked. You STUPID fucking NIGGER
>>577863034Magiqua
>>577864293that version even has EAC lol it's literally all on Sony
>>577864609To be fair IIRC there's a secondary DRM on it that they were using in DBFZ on top too
Odds on Sony removing the drm?
>enter Vibranium>a wall of Spidermen blocks the wayholy shit
>>577864953higher than it was before the crack
>>5778649530. Sony is Japanese and they are all out of touch senile stubborn little shits.
>>577864609Both PS SDK and EAC got removed by RUNE according to NFO. EAC just prompts but it doesnt work after booting executable. I tried cracked version and I have the same performance but my CPU temps are lower by 13 degrees on average in cracked version while doing same stuff lol..
>>577865039this is why the most popular character should never be the bestwe've been seeing this in sf6 where babyfood ryu is so strong and keeps getting buffed despite it
>>577856086kamala/danger/wolverine/ironman/starlord/captain/loki/doom/hulkbros.....
>>577865135The PS branch is all in commiefornia, that's like 90% of the reason why everything gaming-related Sony does is liquid dogshit. Sony is a Californian company unless you are talking about their electronics.
>>577865318well I tried bros>>577865248I guess then the major hiccup for shit PCs is the CPU usage then, the SDK shit requires lots of computing power
>>577865405holy bastion of honesty
>>577864953But anon without the DRM some 13 years old can use cheats to get all the PSN Trophies and that's a big no no
>>577865427Im on 7800X3D with pearless assassin cooler. That setup has 12 degrees average difference in CPU temp between legit Steam copy and RUNE version to me in favour of cracked one.
Only way Sony removes all the drm shit is if someone makes proper online play for the cracked version.
>>577865427>CPU usageFor some godawful reason my CPU is not even utilized halfway yet it's always at max temp in this game
>>577854534His U absolutely sucks. I think you can get some use out of L feints, but the counters on M feel way too unreliable.
>>577866125Its because it rapes one thread anon. Its either EAC or PS SDK overlay that does so and thats why temps are that way and why people with slower CPU cache and worse single threaded performance have issues.
>>577862149>people are already thinking they underrated capi've definitely become a believer in this character but I think it's more "he isn't bottom 5, but that solid A tier with a lot of cool stuff that means with the right team/player he can make it work at a top level and be the peoples hero on stream" which is literally what captain america is so lolI call this one america the beautiful because it takes you from sea to shining sea
>be on ancient but hardy rig, i7-2600k and a gtx 970>Tokon beta doesn't run at all, even bypassing EAC just to try and hit the menu it stutters like mad>Didn't purchase for obvious reasons>Game is cracked today, dl it just out of curiosity >Free of all the Sony SDK shit it actually runsON A SECOND GEN I7 AND A GTX 970This game fucks up monster rigs with Sony's bloatware installed Fucking unacceptable
>>577866426Is there any way to alleviate this though? I get that it's part of the bad optimization and all but there has to be a way of lessening the issue till they fix it
>>577866495Jesus the shield bounces on the combo look beautiful, can I get a notation for this so I can save it anon? Also how tight is it?
>>577866523Temps? You can get better cooler or undervolt your CPU I guess. UE5 in general still has issues with multithreading so having some DRM/overlay that runs on one thread on top of that is a pretty shit mixture.
>>577866495god i want cap's color 7 so bad but i hate survivaldo you have any oki setups? any recommended partners?
>>577866523No, because the central issue is out of ArcSys hands. The problem is either EAC or PS SDK. ArcSys doesn't have access to the backend for either of these, they can't modify or change them in any meaningful way. If the problem is EAC, then it's unlikely it's developers will fix it considering it has existed for over a decade and is still the way it is. If the problem is the PS SDK, it will never be fixed because it's a feature, not a problem.
>>577866839> The problem is either EAC or PS SDKIt's neither of these things it's the Theia DRM layered on top of the game. EAC does nothing to performance and the PS SDKs are just an easy scapegoat for techlets to single out because they see a bunch of them in task manager and assume that's why the game runs like ass.
>>577866820nta but I cheesed survival mode with Ms. Marvel because the AI can't deal with 5H -> 236L. They almost always try to 2H but there is not enough time and they get counter hit
reminder theia DRM is the same DRM that concord used and it's known for having even more of an impact on performance than denuvo
>>577866965Tomato potato, the point is that it is not something ArcSys can fix, and it is something that the people responsible will fix because from their point of view everything is working as intended.
>>577867327>Tomato potatoYour whole post was about the performance being due to one of two things when it's neither of those things. I'm just correcting the misinformation.
What the fuck is a concord?
>>577866713jh 2m 5h jh j6h j2u jh jh ju 22h 22m 5a dash 214l dash 623m jh double jump 236m 5a 2h 214m superironically the stuff that looks like it would take timing, the shield bounce, is actually the part you can just mash out and it's the bits involving the assists that have any timing, you gotta delay the 214l so they slide far enough along the ground to get closer to the corner and actually wallsplat, and you gotta wait a sec after the air 236m throw so the assist can actually hit them (it has hella hitstun in the corner and lets him do funny loops). I would like to say it's not that tight but I did fuck up like 10 times trying to record that vid so lol>>577866820I just used hulk and mashed armor + assists. I did have to do that shit where you alt+f4 the game and get to keep your save a few times in the final 10 fights though>do you have any oki setups? any recommended partners?if you end that combo with 5h 2h 2u instead of the 2h 214m super it seems to set up something very similar to that shit marvelo was doing at CEO so I guess the idea is you just combo time out them in midair but honestly no not really I picked him up on saturday because I wanted a vert assist that isn't magneto or doom and his seemed cool so I haven't been playing him too long. his two main problems are that he doesn't have super cheap mixups (having an ex high and a low means they cant react to just the flash though) and he doesn't have ez blockstun or + frames but instead has a bunch of moves great for getting in while being slightly - so idk pick characters that are good lol
>>577867119I mean its anti tamper that encrypts not just executable but all assets in realtime so yeah. Whats most retarded is that it does so only when the game is booted which is why people were able to easily datamine shit anyways lmfao.
My Iron Man zoner team is not working out like I had hoped but I will continue believing for the time being.
>>577867786cap can be very + if you can setup an iad jump U on a returning shield but that requires either assists or an oki setup to make it somethign they can't easily get aroundsomething pretty cool though is that his unique shield throws and the bounces let you special cancel them like they're normals on contact, so if your 6U shield that hits a lot of wide angles suddenly bounces at their head you can instantly cancel that into dive to get in
https://x.com/i/status/2089237628411318485Thoughts on clankers?
>>577867897>>577867119What are your thoughts on >>577866518
>>577868678I would like to see proof that it runs well on a 970 because I don't believe that, DRM or not
Is Tokon a game for furries? Da real niggas of mvc seem to not like it
>>577869485most of the top players don't like it besides hook, but they like 2xko. weird stuff
>>577868440Built for Ultron.
>>577869865isn't this problematic? ultron is an old man
>>577869313What kind of proof would you even accept?Great may be an overstatement, I'm using TSR and low settings at 1080p, but it's full speed with no drops below 60.I think that stable 60 on this old of a machine (overclocked or not) on a cracked copy when a retail copy chokes a modern machine is bonkers.
>>577870091There are no laws against the robutt, Batman. I can do whatever I want.
>>577870437You could just record a short gameplay video with a fps/frametime display
>>577870437>I'm using TSR and low settings at 1080pTSR at what % scale
>>5778706691%
Is there blue vegito in this?
>>57787066980% but honestly my gpu temp is only at 50C, I could probably up my graphics quality
>>577870437is tsr better than dlss for this game?
>>577871001i don't know anything about DBFZ
>>577871915>>577870669For shits and giggles I put it on native 1080 with no AA/TSR and I'm seeing a couple drops but still leaps and bounds over the performance I've seen on monster rigs
>>577871974I couldn't tell you, my GPU is a 970, my available in game options are FSR, TSR, and XeSS. It depends on your hardware I imagine
>>577872176Cap looks fucking sick in this game I seen some crazy fucking shield air combos where he was kicking the shield and shit
I think the last time single core performance was actually important as a whole is back in 2006Good job Sony
>>577872461Wrong.2018.https://store.steampowered.com/app/294100/RimWorld/
>>577872418not to mention you get to be a special snowflake since no one seems to play him despite being the shotoclone of the game
>>577872461You don't play many games then
>>577872547>>577872658As a whole in the industry, retards, not on very specific games
>>577872914Haven't played any UE5 games? X3D CPUs perform so well because of their single threaded performance anon.
>spiderman gets an 8f overhead on a command normal>other characters get 30f EX special move overheads at bestwhy?
Sony
>>577874058don't mess with the Amazing Spider-Man.
How come Carnage parasite bomb sometimes detonates my opponent up in the air instead of back to me?
>>577863034https://youtube.com/watch?v=9wT1s96JIb0
>>577874058The overhead hit of 5[H] isn't 8f, it's like 40-50f, the real issue is that it looks identical to the 8f mid 5H which cancels into a 12f low
>>577874812It is 8f, it's just 8f more after the first hit that's also 8f. Idk where you're getting 40-50f from
>>577873421The engine notoriously so bad at these kinds of stuff nobody can run games on it at native resolutions, the one which this game uses?
This spider is pissing me the fuck off
>>577875707I got those numbers from dustloop but I just double checked them myself and they're definitely off by a lot, the frame display in training mode sucks but as best I can tell by whiffing just the first hit the second hit of 5H is 17f and for 5[H] it's 27f. Adding in hitstop for the first hit connecting it's probably in the 30-35f range for reacting to the first hit animation to block high.
>>577876554Venom should've made it in instead of you
>>577874397His moves have different interactions with the bomb.His M and L stake will only pull on detonation when hitting a target at the tip.
>>577874397it depends on the move you did, and sweetspot skewer vs close range skewer are counted as different moves
>>577876648That 27f is the startup for the held 5H in its entirety, counting both individual swings not just the 2nd hit. Hitstop doesn't magically make the startup of moves slower. Idk if you're a spidey player trying to be disingenuous or if you just have no idea how to interpret the data training mode is giving you
>>577877015I think you're misinterpreting what I'm sayingBoth versions have 8f of startup for the first hit which is a mid5[H] then has another 19f to the start of the second hit which is the overhead for a total of 27fThe hitstop of the first hit is going to add a couple frames before that 19f starts to push it to a total of around 30f for you to react to the animation for the first hit and block high, but even if they whiff that first hit so there's no hitstop that's still a 27f overhead and not an 8f one.
>>577877836You're completely and entirely wrong and hitstop is completely irrelevant to the startup frames of a move
spidey downplay is in full force
>>577878192i mean you have to at least give him one con on these sites. personally i don't think its his normals though kek
Wait can you punch the green mirror thing doom puts out?
>>577878192Literally today I got whiff punished by his 5M which hit me from the other side of the moon
>>577878569there was another con there about how his unique was punishable but it got removed
>>577878601yeah and sword characters + carnage can attack through it. its honestly a shit unique outside of against people like iron man
>>577878650To be fair people didn't know about the air fireball cancels being so good at first
>>577878601Yes, same with Loki's traps.If your character uses "physical projectiles" they go through too (like Ms. Marvel's fists or Carnage's skewers. Yes Carnage's skewers bypass it and hit Doom, it's funny to flabbergast them with it).
>>577878601its why i think ms. marvel is a really good matchup vs doom. her big ass punch is so good vs him, destroys his barrier
>>577878789Her Unique go through and grabs him too
>>577878660>>577878745>>577878789The bronze meta just changed oh that’s fucking sick, thanks
>>577878660it completely shuts down magneto and its surprisingly good vs blade as well
guys I think I might run deadpool pointhe's so fun
I'm bombarded with Danger sex every time I open X...
>>577879478he's the cutest in the game
https://x.com/sakain4613/status/2089290466483429423/video/1Penis damage is so high
>>577879508A fate of many
>>577880201penis strong!
magik is fun as fuck, hot as fuck, easy as fuck, has good assists. but everytime i think about adding her to my team i start feeling like a faggot for picking the most popular character, feels bad
>>577880201>3 ex moves>rare giga bot spawn>3 assists>100 meter super for 175 meter total used in combo>wall slump>still can't killnot to shit on peni but damn the damage difference between characters in this game is nutty. magik would've hit a ToD for less resources
>>577880493>he hasn't reviewed the holy texts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGh4ZU4H5Hk
I haven’t played this game in 5 days I’ve just been lying about how fun it is and how good I am in it.
>>577881269i play every day and i feel like i actually downplay how fun i find the gameplay and how upset i am that sony ruined the pc version and how annoying spiderman is.
>The game was running perfectly fine yesterday>Not it keeps dropping to the dang 50sBut...How? Literally nothing changedI even redid the shaders afterwards to make sure it wasn't them
>>577790229ArcSys needs more representation!
>>577881932windows copilot sends its regards bitch
>>577881269I've been playing it every day still but my will to play has waned as online is still completely unplayable for me.
I'm trying to watch matches to figure out how to play Magneto but everyone just tags him out right away or gets their ass beat the second they tag him in.
Who's the best shotoslop in the game?
>>577886334Magik is the closest but she has a portal gimmick attached to her
They need to fix 22, DP and lvl 3 inputs. Shit is so inconsistent.
>>577882819I don't even have that crap
>>577874607>>577863034
>>577887063Lvl 3?
>>577887063The inputs are just a mess.>walk up to opponent>2L 2L or 5L>cannot 22L at all, no matter what timing I do it will always resolve in autocombobravo
>>577880493I can do the hard combos for Spidey and Ghost Rider, but for some reason doing Magik's corner combos with her portals are beyond me. I've never liked her as a character anyways and her recent popularity is most likely directly linked to OF fake goth girl aesthetic
>>577886334Probably Ironman but people are starting to get better at cap
Is there any functional difference between borderless to fullscreen?
>>577894070I've seen people say playing fullscreen has worse performance than windowed
I will not risk doing the 10x harder combo for an extra 1000 damage.I WILL NOT
>make a game for scrubs and new people>make the 100 meter super input one of the most obnoxious ones instead of just 236236 or 214214
Rarest character to see someone playing?
>>577899379Champion or Danger, but I've seen more Danger personally.
Why are simple bnb staircase inputs so fucking strict?
What character is the closest to Hazama?
>>577898997we're crying about pot buster input in 2026?
>Mrs MarvelThis shit started development in 2021 or 2022 didn't it? Because Disney doesn't use her anymore, especially after The Marvels flopping hard in theaters.
>>577899510Could you really not figure out on your own that its Spiderman?
Well the performance on the cracked version is great even on my old machine. I'm glad I didn't pay for Sony bloatware.Frankly I'm also glad I didn't pay even if I knew I'd have perfect online, the game is honestly kind of jank. I get what they were trying to go for but instead of making the real combos more accessible they just made them more braindead. Ironically newcomers to the genre are going to hate it because everyone feels so slow and stubby.The story modes were kinda fun if a little too easy, and CPU-5 Champion is just a turbo cheating input-reading bitch that's zero fun to fight. Who the fuck wants to fight a computer that fuzzy guards? Fuck off, Arcsys.
>>577899510I guess Spider-Man or Ms. Marvel, though I wouldn't consider anyone that much like Hazama they at least have something akin to his chains. No character has a stance like his in this game, or a stepdash, unless you count Doom. Hazama does have a stepdash doesn't he? I haven't played BB in a while.
>>577899798can you play the cracked version online
>>577899847Nope
>The Thing, Strange, Wasp, Daredevil, and Gambit were leaked
>>577899847no you'll never be able to because it requires a PSN account
>>577899920didnt think so but thought i'd ask anyways. hopefully new patch incoming to truly fix this shit
Sony willingly sabotaged what should've been another DBFZ. How is it justified before a board of investors?
>>577900119HE answers to no man. You will play the third-person cinematic adventure game and you will like it.
>>577900119Ehhhh, I felt that way before I got my hands on it.Now that I've played a bunch of it I'm sure it was never going to appeal to a broad audience. I really don't think hitstun decay was the thing stopping casuals from getting into Marvel combos. I think on a fundamental level the causal player doesn't want to perform a combo that's more than maybe 5 inputs.I do, however, think casuals want the movement to feel snappy and random moves to link into each other easily and the game fails at both of those things.
>>577899938Complete dogshit dlc if true. Where the fuck is Thor, Thanos, Kang, Scarlet Witch, Jean, Namor, QuickSilver and Jubilee?
>>577900754>JeanCombined with Cyclops
>>577900119I agree with the other anon for the most part. It didn't need the Sony PC port fuckup to not live up to DBFZ. I like Tokon but I think it falls flat in a lot of ways where DBFZ really excelled. Call DBFZ a casual game if you want, it isn't exactly the hardest tag game out there, but Tokon has even more training wheels and casual concessions made for very obvious "we want the normie audience" reasons. But I think, just like 2XKO that did the same thing, none of these things (simple inputs, easy dial-a-combos, lots of "noob" protections, etc) are actually what keep casuals from playing these games en masse. Meanwhile the dumbing down of the genre always rubs legacy players the wrong way. Even if they don't voice it or even immediately realize it, all of the limitations placed on the game greatly lower the skill ceiling and cap out the potential for it. Doesn't matter if you're a competitive player or a lab monster or just a guy who likes to practice fun stuff. Take me as an example. There are still rejumps and crazy optimal sparking ToDs I can't consistently pull off in DBFZ to this day, I could boot that shit up and practice some insane Blue Goku instant transmission mix and corner loops all day. But I've basically already optimized the fuck out of Carnage and have little to do with him outside of getting my oki and blockstrings down and playing other people. There's not just not as much to do in this game for people like me.
No wallbreak stages shouldn't exist jesus
Maybe Loki isn't for meI have no idea what to do with him in neutral with his janky ass hitboxes and angles on his dives, projectiles, H buttons and whatever the fuck is going on with his 22 specialsIt feels like his entire damn kit is combo fodder as you use your good M buttons and the occasional basic fireball that risks getting you killed to do shit, it doesn't feel intuitive to meTime to try out Wolverine next, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk
>>577900754>Thanos, Kang, Scarlet Witch, Jean, Namor, QuickSilverLmao
>>577900938I see what you're saying but I'm not sure if that is really relevant. If you take SF6 as an example. It is unquestionably the most popular fighting game maybe ever and the ceiling of that game is so pretty low, at least for "FGC" standards. You can learn everything you need about your one character in a couple days and the rest is all about leaning weird interactions you might face against other characters, work on your neutral and guessing
>>577898997Anon, just press two buttons
>>577904445hm akchually it's three
>>577899938i'm not really trying to pay for any of those characters.
>>577904175SF6 is an interesting example to use because, despite the numerous criticisms I have of that game, it does actually onboard new/casual people extremely well. Modern controls are the simple input bullshit other games keep trying for but done well, and pretty much all power/complexity has been ripped out of characters for universally powerful system mechanics that are incredibly easy to understand. Plus it has the whacky woohoo avatars and shit for the super casuals that just want shit to do. I mean there's a reason every game is copying SF6, loathe as I am to see that
>>577904175>>577904689And to clarify, I don't think it's the casualization that holds games like Tokon back. It's the fact that it attempts to casualize itself in a thousand different ways, but then.. it's a tag game with active tag, ToDs, fucked up mixups, etc. Tokon and 2XKO can't commit to whether they want to be casual or hardcore and imo don't fully appeal to either audience because of that. SF6 clearly goes all in on appealing to casuals and it worked.
>game gets cracked>poorfag retards fill thread with retarded takes like "I'm pretty sure I've mastered the combos in this game after 1 day, there's nothing to do besides playing people in this fighting game aka the genre about playing people over and over"y i k e s
>>577900119>How is it justified before a board of investors?You clearly do not understand the mind of japanese boomers. If anything they will argue that the game being cracked is the reason it sold poorly on PC. They will say piracy held back their sales.
>>577905249>implying I pirated it(You) me next time pussy.
>>577905249What did you expect? Fighting games attract larpers like shit attracts flies.
Is Magneto the lowest damage character in the game or is someone lower than him? This might not be the best reference point because I'm sure it's not optimal, but I was pretty surprised that this combo didn't break 30k even with 3 debris fields out, and it's a fairly difficult combo too with its rejump. I feel like anytime I'm watching a Magneto play they often only get damage in the 20000s too. It's still not so bad for being a resourceless combo off what seems like a pretty reliable overhead, but still, his damage seems very low to me.
>>577906807That seems average for 0 resources used. You're very hard limited damage wise in this game without spending resources due to how the combo meter works.
>>577904798100% those Marvelfags would defend 2xko gameplay if looks swapped. They share lots of issues already
>>577899510spiderman is hazama if he was for retards
>>577906807his charged j. h is not a good starter
>>577910542I feel like I see it often as a starter because the delay on it makes people think he's going to empty low. Same with Carnage's delayed j.H.
Actually trying out the crack and the first thing I noticed is how fucking awful walkspeeds are across the board.
>>577910682Danger should have a high walkspeed.
this game would be so much better as a 2v2 or 3v3 with multiple health bars and the combo meter replaced with hitstun decay and no active tag and jL overheads
>>577910682every marvel game has terrible walkspeed, thats why they would wave/plinkdash around the screen or constantly be in the air instead.
>>577911117It should have j.L overheads but none of the rest of that.
>>577911403active tag is gay as fuck man we can disagree on the rest but there's no way you like active tag. everyone has hated every single fuckin' game it has ever existed in before this we're not gonna pretend to like it now
>>577911510I haven't played other active tag games because they all had other reasons for disinteresting me but I've been fine with it in Tokon so far. It could loses its luster eventually, but right now it's hard to imagine its absence benefiting the game, it sounds like it would significantly lower the depth of the setups the game's offer while making the whole tag aspect of the game much more anemic and awkward, and it's already pretty awkward as is.
>>577906807>>577907245idk anything about how magneto works but the big way to increase damage without spending resources is the reverse proration you get for doing as many distinct special moves in a combo as possible, and failing that avoiding filler normals and looping specials - using the same rules (corner jump overhead, no resource/assist/wallsplat) I was able to pull off>starlord: 36300>cap: 34130>magik: 34060>blade: 31380 (1 nail, better with more)>loki: 24947so some characters just have better combos then others for this kinda thing, but you can definitely hit over 30k fully meterless with the right character. the actual starter you use doesn't matter, it's just what move in the combo you're in/min scaling (it's not like a lot of other arcsys games where there's a "light starter" that automatically makes the damage suck way more, closer to classic guilty gear in this way)
>>577911510>>577911117active tag is cool and literally the only reason to play bbtag. most of the games with it just happen to suck ass for unrelated reasons, but being able to use your teamates for things besides designated assist moves is very cool
refund and crack holy shit
>>577911636>it sounds like it would significantly lower the depth of the setups the game's offerit would but these two problems are linked. i would argue the setups in this game are lacking in depth because of active tag. because they want you to spend a clearly defined resource to mix. but i think that's a lost cause. look at goblin. he doesn't need active tag to mix. active tag just adds layers to characters than can mix, when giving characters stronger individual tools and minor changes like jL overheads would accomplish the same thing.personally i see locking most mix behind active tag as one of those things modern games do in the vein of removing character power and shifting it to system mechanics, and i don't like that because it homogenizes the game. i think there's less depth and skill expression to be had in that. i mean look at tokon specifically. everyone's optimal offensive pressure (sans goblin) is ABC>special>assist>ABC>special>tag and that's not going to change unless the systems themselves change
>>577911918>because they want you to spend a clearly defined resource to mix.then why did they give you multiple ways to do it for free? either assists outside of combo/blockstun or raw tagging to another character and then doing a special move as you tag out
>>577912095you're not getting mix on most characters in this game calling an assist in neutral. there's a tiny few characters with exceptions or super high blockstun assemble assists like hulk that might enable something but those are the exception not the rule
>>577911918I don't care for characters like Blade and Magik doing some high blockstun move into another character doing a high-low, but I don't know if the solution to that problem is the outright removal of active tag. I'd rather see individual character changes so that fewer characters have moves like that and, if they're going to have that kind of move, they should have more drawbacks elsewhere. Peni can do it with Pendulum Swing for example, but Peni has a lot of other weaknesses so her having that feels like a fair trade, unlike someone like Blade who is strong across the board. I'm pretty okay with characters having a weaker version of those concepts like Iron Man's missiles and Loki's 623X.Even though I do dislike the kinds of setups Blade and Magik have into active tag, I still feel like it would only bring the game down to remove active tag altogether. If there's one thing I appreciate about the game, it's that unlike a lot of other new fighting games I tried in recent years, it feels like there's enough to play around with in the character's kits for labbing to be fun in its own right and to feel like there's plenty of room to grow with a character rather than having them figured out from the outset. A big part of that is because of how active tag lets you flesh out how a team works together, so its removal sounds like a negative. I think some of the ways characters can take advantage of the mechanic could use tuning, but my experience with it so far has had me less annoyed with active tag itself and more with how certain individual characters can utilize it.
>>577912302>call assist in neutral>I get time to run in, blockstring into big + frame special, and active tag to my assistbehold, mix. are you sure you know anything about this game?
daru i-no has to be the only dude pushing danger https://x.com/Daru_ino/status/2089381589923037482
>>577912449>but I don't know if the solution to that problem is the outright removal of active tagwell yea of course. just removing active tag and doing nothing else would make the game a lot worse, i'll agree on that. to accomplish what i'm asking for there would need to be a lot of fundamental changes to the game alongside the active tag removal/change. too many to fit in the character limit of this posti think ultimately what i'm arguing for is stronger character tools in general with less reliance on the baked in system mechanic interactions to do these things. i agree that the characters are unique and fun to lab, but in every way they're held back by these system mechanics limiting and homogenizing what they're capable of imo>>5779124651) can't do that at match start. now what?2) that's not "for free"
so what's the game where you use jump L overhead to open people up that 1 guy in these threads keeps wishing this game was likebecause it's not any mvc game, or any guilty gear game, or any blazblue game, so I dunno why the fuck this marvel game with blazblue drive mechanics made by the guilty gear xrd battle planner/other key gameplay staff would include it
>>577912810Has Daru performed well in any other game than GG ever? He's a good player but I don't know if I see him going the distance here.
>>577912880>so what's the game where you use jump L overhead to open people uptry the last tag game arcsys made
>>577912854>can't do that at match start. now what?you literally can if you piano your assist right before whatever you're mashing roundstart, or just block while calling assist aka the thing you should probably do anyway>that's not "for free"it costs 0 resources, which is what your original dumbass post was saying is the only way to do mix >>577911918
>>577912921No. Even in GG he hasn't done anything. He was only known because he was a specialist for a clunky obscure character.
>>577913034>you literally cani said match start not round start dummy. you can't
>>577912921idts, but he's a good enough fighting game player that anyone wanting to learn cool danger stuff should probably follow him
>>577912880Valkenhayn kind of has a strong j.A overhead, though it doesn't exactly match the spirit of the question even if it literally is a strong j.A overhead, it's probably more analogous to Goblin's Glider L. Strive also had good j.P overheads when you could do backdash>BRC>j,P
>>577790229>we're up to 47 percent positive reviews on steam aka MIXEDwe're so back
>>577910608it is his best mixup tool and it is a common starter, but that's the reason your combo does low damage
>>577817029Multiple top Tekken pros quit because Tekken 8 is so bad Most of them at launch but some more recently too
>>577913001in blazblue tag (the last tag game arcsys made) 90% of the roster doesn't even have an equivalent to a jump light because that game only has 2 normal attack buttons and jump A in that game is jump medium in terms of startup/animation stolen from other game
>>577913239>in blazblue tag (the last tag game arcsys made)keep thinking you'll get there
is that league of legends tag game dead? what about marvel infinite?why does almost every fighting game seem to die within a couple weeks, especially tag fighters. i guess the bigger question is why to companies agree to make them/spend years developing them when they always die. is it just all the devs are uncs who remember the mvc2 days and keep trying to bring it back despite it never working?
>>577911724counterpoint: bbtag is one of the worst fighting games ever made, especially relative to the time it came out
T H E B B T A G
the bbdubya
I took a break from playing anyone on ranked online in PC for a few days. Does it still take 10 minutes to find a match?
>>577913329the dates don't lie, bbtag is the last one they made
>>577913580the netcode is beyond fucked still
>>577913395yeah but active tag was really cool and it would be nice to play a game that isn't otherwise complete horseshit outside of 1 really good mechanic, so it's sick tokon exists finally
>>577913651>bbtag came out a few months after dbfzhuh, i stand corrected i thought it came out shortly before not after
>>577913580It takes me 2x longer than that and I search ranked AND casual idk man shit's fucked i'm gonna turn into a lobby warrior or wait until patches to play more at this rate
>he thinks theyre gonna fix itoh nyo nyo nyo
If this game is so ass why not just go play umvc 3 community edition?
>>577915268people tend to passionately criticize games they like hope that helps
>>577915268How would playing an even worse game help?
>>577912880MVC2 and 3 both have j.L overhead mixups what are you talking about
>>577915268If UMVC3 had a good netcode I would play it again. How does the community edition work? Parsec is horseshit so if you have to use that to play people I'm good.
>>577913971do you set it to nearby regions/same region only? that fixed it for me. same bug strive has
only thing that can save the tag battler genre at this point is dbzf2
>>577916373not if sony is involved again or it gets dumbed down further like tokon
>>577916373How about One Piece Fighterz?
I played back to back 8 frame lag matches on PC and wanted to kill myself and haven't booted the game up since. It's so disheartening to not play Tokon online with how fun i find the gameplay. We really need another update rolled out this week..
>>577916373*J-Stars FighterZ
>>577916938agreed manit fucking sucks.i really want to play but i don't know how playable or unplayable it will be for either me or my opponent.
>>577868440
next patch will get clowned after they claimed to have fixed issues multiple times while in reality barely anything changed. to cry wolf
>>577899938The inclusion of Wasp makes me doubt the whole thing because that seems like a baaaaddd idea.
>>577917307I like to watch
Yo steamcharts hit the 1,000s seppuku when
>>577917674Tokon Warriors! We have heard you! Thanks to the heroes at Super Sony, Marvel Tokon Fighting Souls will be better protected than ever with this patch!
fix tokon nigga
>>577919561Based. Tokon is dead and gay negro furry killed it.
It's pretty much over for PC now that everyone knows the last of the performance problems is related to the snoy stuff because of the crack. If they patch it and the turd worlders still can't play it then they'll get review bombed again.
>>577919561it's 4am and ~60% of the player base is on PS5. The only fighting game on Steam with numbers is sf6 and over 97% of the players are dog shit metal ranks or flowchart tards below 1600MMR. >>577912880half you faggots are LARPERS>>577900938watch out guys, this guy is rank1 and has no room to improve.
>>577919561ITS TOKOVER...
i have fun playing the game but sony decided to murder it
>>577923875why defend this mess? btw no one outside america cares that's why 4am makes it drop to 1/6
>finally meet someone at my level in casuals>i 2-0>they 2-3 but they were all close matches>he leaves instantlyyeah fucking kill yourself go play ranked you absolute nigger
>>577924770>playing ranked>take 15 minute queues or risk getting matched up against someone whose PC can't run the gameGranted that'll be a non issue
Is it just me or does it feel like a lot of the mid and especially low tier characters have worthless or pointless buttons/mechanics? The biggest offender of this is loki i barely see even high level players use his traps or feints. Same with cap, I barely see anybody ever actually use his shield to shield things.
>>577925172It's why we'll never see a Doom point for as long as the assist spam is the way it is because teleport dash is cool on paper it just means you'll get clipped constantly by random bullshit.
>>577925172Cap's shield block takes too long to recoverLoki's traps are absolutely dogshit, but his feints are pretty nice for catching techrolls in the corner and both the Loki's that made it out of pools used the feints twice or more.
>>577925172lokis ground special charged is + and crosses up and his fireballs create visual messcaptain shield is retardedly op but no one uses it like they should, you need to use it like a normal even if it's a fireball. You just iad shield and it catches 2Hs
Smoke on: lighting bowls.
Any good teams built around captain america?
>buy the game and it won't run even on beastly machines and has no linux support >pirate the game and it runs on potatoes and Steam Deck/LinuxHoly shit Sony did you really fuck this game up on purpose?>pirated
>>577927982Sony’s DRM is notoriously bad for performance AND protecting their games
>>577790610man shoulders how
>>577856245>>577856086Unless they give other characters real high/low mixups Spider-man is going to stay on top. He's the only one that actually makes you guess.
cap is ungodly fun in this game holy shit. might be my favorite nu-fighting game character
>>577934052No he’s not shutup
Gene Splice
>>577934329NOW THE GLOVE COMES OFF *shoves fist into your ass*
Get them in!
deadshitgame
Fuck color 7 I got to 79 twice and the boss at 80 is always a faggot
>>577930943They're just really wide.
>>577937310Kneel before Doom!
anyone else keeps crashing after they're done with a match? god i love sony
>>577937726Uninstall the latest windows update
>>577938012I'M UNINSTALLING THIS DOGSHIT GAMEI DID A PENI BNB AND THE RETARD INSTANTLY ALT F4'D AND MADE ME CRASH AGAIN
>>577937646I prefer zod
>>577937328they don't seem very wide
I like the game very much it’s just not one character on this roster I care that much about as a character and there’s not one even if I don’t care as them as a character that’s fun enough for me to ignore it. I really just wanna play cyclops
>>577937726>keeps crashing after they're done with a matchYou mean literally crashing the game (closing) or something else?
Can you not DHC?
>>577939246what do you think?
>>577939952>thinkI don't.
>>577939553You can.
Aaaand now my game crashed after my super
The best way to play this is under the influence of drugs
>>577940556Goblin main...
Just imagine that I killed him with a 50 meter super at the end and didn't drop it..shake my hand
I want them to add black bolt so bad just for how anime-y they’re design for him will be
>>577941495>that wall climb into sideswap to hit the dronethats pretty cool
>>577939553You can DHC 50 meter supers by holding assist as they end but I don't know how useful it is since the damage scaling is so heavy and you probably could have just done a 100 meter super instead
>>577941642It's pretty good and no one will see it but you can only do it if you used a wallstick already, if you really want that oki you can do 214H I think but they tech out way later
Wolverine has the shittiest body type ever. He’s built like Joe Rogan
>>577942542>Jamie pull up files about Weapon X real quick
So after watching Tokon in CEO, I felt bored a lot of the time watching the games including Top 8. I know it's early in this games lifespan but even 2XKO looked more saucey/fleshed out early on. Yes Tokon has "mix" or what not, but the "mix" usually comes from canned high/lows from individual characters who have those or the same "Do a long blockstun move on point and tag out, so your other character does a high/low mix"; it feels like the skill ceiling is WAY lower in this game than 2XKO (doesnt help that Tokon has UNFATHOMABLY long cross up protection)Also the fact that assists have barely any cooldown makes neutral look like a visual mess with barely any nuance to it.The combos in Tokon also feel samey from character to character: ABC -> launcher -> ABC -> ABC auto knockdown -> assist -> ABC EX extension or into wallbreak, or into combo limit/oki that also looks always the same. Every character in 2XKO has their own way of combo routes and they all vary by a lot. Yes on Twitter there are better combos out, but they usually only happen in the corner and when there is a wall with no wallbreaks, and even then those combos kinda pale to 2XKOs creativity in combos.Also the defensive mechanics in this game are REALLY boring, either a bad reaction check that is in most cases worse for the defender, or a broken parry that eliminates high/low/left/right mixups all. It makes defense in this game way too one dimensional/boring imo, compare that to 2XKOs pusblock, retreating guard and individual high/low parries. Defense is WAY more interesting in that game.I sound like a 2XKO shill right now, and trust me I am not, I have my problems with that game aswell, but what I can confidently say is that 2XKO does a better job at representing the tag fighter power fantasy while still keeping the nuance and creativity of a nuanced fighting game and that makes it way more enjoyable to watch and play
>>577943463All true and we'll see if they fix the game2XKO is a turd though
Is tokon still broken on pc with all the crashing and freezing?When the hell is the next update?
>>577943463>the "mix" usually comes from canned high/lows from individual characters who have those or the same "Do a long blockstun move on point and tag out, so your other character does a high/low mix";This is intentional and what they think needs to happen for casuals to get into airdashersThey're very wrong
>>577943956>Is Tokon still broken on PCyes but not on the cracked version
>>577943956Game has been abandoned by Sony and Arcsys. Discord fighter by next week. The general will die in a couple of days. ITS OVER.
>>577813243kek i need to finish that anime sometime dropped it and forgot about it
>>577943463FreestyleXko is not a very good game.
>>577944334It was already joever during the beta, we just refused to see
>>577944523Nerfed so much they demand buffs again lol
Might go back to DBFZ until Tokon is fixed. Tokon needs to fucking hurry up with those fixes or at least put out some comms.
>>577944805What did they do to it?
You are only allowed one nerft to spider man.What do you do?
>>577945156slower overhead
>>577944993Anon I don't know if you've been paying attention but the game was cracked yesterday and runs like a dream even on ancient rigs.The problem is 100% the Sony SDK and that's not something ArcSys can fix.
>>577945156Make spidermans web always have a gap you can 2h it at when he's zipping towards you.
>>577945218>>577945156Don't give Spider-man a slower overheadGive everyone else a faster overheadIt's ridiculous that nearly every "mixup" can be reacted to or fuzzy guarded. Even in CEO the best people could do was assist, long normal, tag, and then an IAD into jM or empty low. It's not a good state of affairs when the superior way to mix people up is flooding the screen with characters and making them guess if you're going to tag to the opposite side.
>>577945503I've heard other games removing drm though, Sony can do that right?
>>577945758Can they? Yeah, sure, if they really wanted to they could have ArcSys de-integrate PSN from Tokon and remove the Sony SDK.They're not going to, though.
>>577944601I called broken matchmaking day 2 of beta
Does Doom have an assistless c2c combo with corner oki? Not really sure what I should be routing for if I have no assists available.
>broke granblues matchmaking>broke strives matchmaking>
>>577945758Sega's done that a few times. I'm not sure if Sony ever has.
>>577945723EVERYONE CAN BE MIX MASTERS!and when everyone's a mix master...no one will be
>>577946401I mean...yeah? That's how most airdashers work in the first place. The only reason Spidey is so popular is because he's got real mix and nobody else seems to.
for me, it's color 04
>>577945723Blade has fantastic left right mix the super noon shown off.Magic also has quite strong corner mix.Hell we even seen some crazy wolverine mix.
>>577943463That's how literally all arksys team fighters function.Fighterz has had many patches where they specifically nerfed solo mix and want it to only be possible with assists
>>577946624Goblins got even realer mix and only 2 were in top 8.Also no not every character need to be a mix machine.
It's up
Is Magneto better than doom if they're mostly used for the vertical assist? Does that change if I plan to active tag into them and play them on point during my games?
>>577949504Magneto's assists get better if you use them multiple times because they leave debrisDoom's is faster I guess
>>577941526Black Bolt seems like a complete dud because you can't have him speak, right? At least not constantly yell during combat. So it would be much harder to communicate his character and have audio cues for his moves.
>>577943463>>I sound like a 2XKO shill right now, and trust me I am notI don't trust you, I genuinely think you are a 2XKO shill because you tried to praise it's defensive mechanics when it has useless pushblock, useless retreating guard and extremely broken parry. Tokon's defensive tools are genuinely better balanced and thought out.
>>577948938Fuark that's hot.
>>577945882The PSN isn't the problem, it's Thea DRM. You could remove Thea and keep PSN and it would massively improve performance. They won't though, because the DRM is working as intended.
>>577950392You could have whispers with the audio turned up, but prematch dialog or talking during the match wouldn't work for the character. Black Bolt cool but his most defining character trait is being silently stoic.
>>577950738this nigger praises reaction check reflect
put in gwenpool and i buy. simple as
>>577951436You are a literal brainlet who can't parse defensive tools without equating them to defensive tools in other games. Yes, if you attempt to use cross-over like you would use metered guard cancel mechanic in other games, you will eat shit, that's not it's usecase. It's safe on block, meaning it's risk-free if they use all their pips, meaning it enforces resource management, because if you blow all your pips in a combo you don't get pressure afterwards, and if you over-extend during your pressure you have a very high chance of getting knocked down.Secondly, you only eat shit if they are close to you. The perfect counter does literally nothing if you are not in it's range. We saw this play out in grand finals several times. Every time SonicFox did Goblin 5U to mount the glider during pressure, Supernoon cross-overed, and even though SonicFox perfect-countered it, the game reset to neutral instead so SonicFox couldn't continue to pressure by burning an assist call. But even if they know the perfect counter won't do anything, they have to do it to avoid taking the knockdown, so you force them to burn a pip. This also applies to any zoning, as a zoner you have to pass the reaction check just to avoid the knockdown whenever the opponent blocks any of your projectiles and even if you do, the exchange will reset to neutral with both players being down a pip.Thirdly, sometimes being deassembled is worth it because the knockdown from being countered is only a soft knockdown, so if you are dealing with some oki monster's post-super setup, it might be preferable to reset to a soft knockdown. If the mix will kill you, you might as well.And that's the "bad" reaction check.
>>577919561Game actually died faster than DNF Duel oh my days lmfao
when's felicia
i need you, Carol!
>>577951664Based
Remember when people were coping that the braindead easy magik tod was a training mode meter bug? Good times. Nerf this bitch now.
>>577954891I'd rather have 5 other characters nerfed before her
>>577950893That doesn't make sense. The cracked game doesn't alter the game files it just removes sony sdk
>>577952856Dnf duel was more fun
>>577956373personally, I didn't really like it
>>577956515Once you understood block stun resets were the games "mix" it clicked alot more
my game crashed even on match start
>>577956149What do you think DRM is, and what do you think they need to remove to crack the game?
NUKE SONYKILL SONY
>>577959137The DRM on the game is the Sony SDK and EAC.If the problem were JIT decryption then the crack fixing issues would entail a static decryption of all the game files. The crack is a single exe and a steam emu.You're just wrong.
>>577954891>IS THAT... A METER DUMP COMBO??? AAIEEEEE ARC SYS SAMA SAVE MEEEE
>>577959441>>577959137This isn't the cause of anything but load stutters, once the assets are in RAM it's done. The performance problems are all down to Sony SDK bloatware. We know this.
>>577959918The DRM on the game is Thea.
>>577960113it's literally the theia drm retard
>>577960179Cool story somebody better tell RUNE because all he did was get rid of the Sony SDK and EACI can't believe he released a crack that doesn't impact the DRM!
>>577960335how much is sony paying you?
>>577959441There's nothing we can do about it btw. They'll never remove it
>>577960452You think Sony is paying me to say that the Sony SDK is absurd bloatware and spyware?
>>577960532IdiotDownload the crackIt works greatWhen did PC users get this retarded?
>>577960689Does it have online?
>>577960689>download the crack>it works great>still can't play online>??????what now retard
>>577961000>>577960978>Oh god daddy I'm so retarded and I've never played a discord fighter before I'm lost without matchmaking please save melol figure it out fagsThis site is 18+ only
>>577961000play over hamachi, steam share with friends, and parsec like a real marvel game.
>>577961146Thought so.Mongoloid.
>>577952649to add onto that 3rd point, you get all of your assemble gauge back once you're done with the disassembled phase so if you're against a character with less oppressive solo mix then you can be more confident in that resource trade and you'll be up assemble gauge on your opponent once you return to neutral
>>577961146>>577961252The main issue of the drm is that will make less people play the game and will eventually become a discord fighter are you genuinely brain damaged?
>>577961146tranny moment
>>577961508lol it'd be a discord fighter regardless Enjoy your Sony SDK spying on you
>>577961825Nobody is going to go through the trouble of asking for tokon matches at that point it’s competing with proper decades old real fighting games
>>577962326>Nobody is going to go through the trouble of asking for tokon matches Then I guess they're not gonna play TokonI dunno man I feel like if I'd bought the game and really wanted to play online I'd be fine setting up matches, but casuals certainly aren't going to.Also I'm not going to either because the game is kinda ass but I also didn't pay for it so
>>577962578Why are you here?
>>577962727Played the crack yesterday, posted about performance, laughed at retards that think a cracked exe is the same thing as a total static decryption, the usual.
>>577941495oh hey maelis
you think this game will ever break its peak again like sf6?
help a brainlet outso I own the game on steam but I want to use the crack. How do I download just the crack file without downloading the whole game again?
>>577963417has any fg ever broken its peak except sf6? only downhill from now
>game gets cracked>thread gets flooded with retarded posts that have blatant ESL cadenceI'm noticing
>>577964442lol
>a bunch of people crying about Spider-Man’s axe kick overhead>nobody mentioning Ghost Rider EX chain overhead rekkaOne day you’ll get yours too, ya damn skeleton fuckers
>>577963417>sf6 had no appealing female characters on release>broke its peak with Ingrid>tokon has one appealing female character on release>...It's possible but unlikely
>>577965127That's absolutely and not remotely in the same league.If anything, Ghost Rider has an instant overhead with his j.2H, that one is really OP and a true 50/50 you cannot react to when they tag into him while leaving your other character doing a rekka.
>>577965127People probably complain about spiderman more because he skips neutral like it doesn't exist
>>577965127you can 2H ghost rider's ex overhead on reaction
How many normals does it take you to hitconfirm typically? I labbed out some sequences that go into a pretty good combo on hit or an active tag mix on block. I need to confirm into one thing or another by the second normal and it's not working out for me consistently at all.
>>577963968you can get it from cs rin, plenty of torrent sites should have just the crack as well
>>577943463People will shit on you for how you worded this, comparing it to 2XKO, but I think you're 100% right. And I get why you would compare it to 2XKO specifically because they share a somewhat similar design philosophy that I've talked about here (clearly trying to appeal to normies/casuals while retaining the spirit of a grimy tag fighter). I don't think assist clutter is really that bad, but holy shit when someone crossovers and someone else reflects it, every single character is on the screen at once within 10 pixels and it's close to fucking impossible to distinguish them from each other it is ACTUAL visual aids cancer shit.I have a lot of problems with 2XKO too and haven't played it since it first "released" out of alpha lab, so who knows how outdated my impressions of it are really, but what I liked most about that game was that you really could freeflow do your mix and combos. Every single character had extremely unique combo routes and could mix you in various ways.In Tokon? ....eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhh. There are some unique combo routes when you get into the optimals, but especially in the corner lots of them still follow the same routing just because of how the combo meter works.
>change the matchmaking settings to my region only>suddenly find matches in under 10 secondsis this a bug or something?
>>577967712yeah and you can fuzzy spidey overhead/ex slide, and 2H all his web zips if he doesn't cover them with assist, and yet people get hit by that shit anyway because they're not robots
>>577971470>yeah and you can fuzzy spidey overhead/ex slideoh fuck off with this already nigger there's a huge difference between the two and you know it
>>577971408YesThis happens in SF6 too, althought to a lesser extent. Something about having to many options to match at the same times fucks things up and they can't connect
also i've started running carnage on assault to try him out and he's honestly super strong. the pull in is super nice
>>577970004>but especially in the corner lots of them still follow the same routing just because of how the combo meter works.the combo meter does the exact opposite and requires you to think very hard to minmax. instead of learning 1-2 BNB's based on what starter you have effecting hitstun decay, instead it's all about squeezing in as many distinct specials as possible while avoiding as many air normals as possible, which every character is going to approach differently. if I spend too many hits at the start trying to confirm my combo, I might end up in a situation where I can't go into my optimal loop because I need X hits left in the combo counter to end on the good knockdown, but then maybe I can spend resource to lower my hitcount and pull off something similar with an otherwise very different comboit enables a ton of on the fly and situation specific routing that I haven't seen in an arcsys game since fucking xrd sign where everyone had a bunch of character specific routing due to weight classes and then not giving most characters "automatically space them properly for me" combo extenders in that first version of the game.every game with gatlings/magic series has a baby universal combo 95% of the cast can do, this game also having that doesn't matter.
>>577971470I don't know if you actually can fuzzy spiderman since you have a pretty big window to cancel into the slide, without a frame bar like SF6's I don't think I can prove it but I'm pretty sure you can at least make the timing too varied for anything but a robot to be able to realistically cover them all.
>>577972594don't you need to be a robot in order to time slide so that it hits on almost the same frame as the overhead in the first place? seems like "hey you can fuzzy if they mash it out" is the thing to go for and then if they're a god you adjust from there
>>577972293>the combo meter does the exact opposite Completely disagree> instead of learning 1-2 BNB's based on what starter you have effecting hitstun decay, instead it's all about squeezing in as many distinct specials as possible while avoiding as many air normals as possibleI think if it were JUST the proration it would work this way but the combo meter defeats the purpose of this entirely. Because of how strict it is you end up jamming as many Hs and EXs in as possible, and I find mashing 5H EX 5H M special 5H EX 5H special assist 5H far less intriguing than working around hitstun decay and doing whatever I want in a combo. I've never once cared about same-move proration in my combos, whereas on the flipside I do care about my combo limit and what EX move I can use next or when I can use an assist to extend said limit
>hook playing 12+ hours straight of this game wish i could do that
>>577973238>I've never once cared about same-move proration in my combosbecause you don't care about doing optimal combos, which is fine but why act belligerent about how you don't find doing suboptimal loops that cost you damage and meter for no reason, but also refuse to optimize?>working around hitstun decay and doing whatever I want in a combo. I can't tell if you're saying you actually keep track of hitstun decay in real time, or if you're just a lab monster
>>577973475>because you don't care about doing optimal combosExtremely disingenuous I'm probably way more of a lab monster than you are and I diligently follow fenritti and sit in lab for hours a day practicing my shit. I'm not doing same move/same special loops on my character as it's not necessary, my character's (Carnage) combo routing in general avoids these in the first place so it's moot>I can't tell if you're saying you actually keep track of hitstun decayNo of course not, but in other games it's incredibly easy to experiment with routing and see where things start to drop because the hitstun decay has deteriorated to a point where X or Y thing no longer works because they pop out, so you adapt. There's no such experimentation in Tokon, you just fill in the gaps of the already set combo structure with more optimal usage of your normals/specials to squeeze out the most damage. Because of the combo meter it's much more rigid in structure and there's generally less of a "ok how far can I PUSH this" and more of a feeling of "ok what do I do instead to get 10% more damage" which caps out the potential for what you're doing in these routes much earlier
>Captain as training dummy>EEEE!!! EEE!!! EEEE!!!! OooooooAAAAAAUUUGGHHHHH!!!!>Magneto as training dummy>BUT HOW!!! BUT HOW!!! BUT HOW!!! BUT HOW!!! BUT HOW!!!>Loki as training dummy>WHY YOU...!!! WHY YOU...!!! WHY YOU...!!!
>>577974426i use shuri as the dummy
>>577974426What's wrong...? Keeping your distance?
>ask someone for a long set>he accepts and we play>i apparently give him 8 frames of rollback despite just building a new pc like 8 months ago>he ends up leaving early for this reasonwhy the fuck is that happening i'm not even having frame drops... i'm so mad that i can barely play this online because its so fun
What's a good 4th character if my point is Spidey? Currently going Doom since he's based and Storm for some good web slam setups but I have absolutely zero idea who the FUCK to use for my 4th slot and I'm just using Iron Man as a bootleg mixup setup for lower ranks.
>>577975128Blade has the best assemble assist in the game hands down
>>5779750268 frame rollbacks can still happen even if both pcs are goodpsn is very anal about connections
>>577975128magik, blade, magneto, carnage
>>577974426NOT ENOUGHNOT ENOUGHNOT ENOUGH
>>577975220>>577975393>Blade and MagikSure, but I don't wanna be a fag that uses multiple top tiers in the same team. Not even really sure how to best use Magik's ground assist when she's in the 4th slot but eh, I'll probably try Magneto.
>>577975612you legit just randomly press it
>>577975612Just throw in Danger then for the low tier cred and use her as a second shooter assist
is it true iron man is the best shooty assist
>>577975709son of a bitch
>>577975840ya but don't tell anyone
>>577975840Doom is a pretty good one too.
>>577975612>but I don't wanna be a fag that uses multiple top tiers in the same teamnigga you're playing storm and spidey you already gave up
>>577976817Storm is top tier? I thought that was Black Panther.
>>577975026If you're on PC your best bet is cracking your copy and setting up sets on discordSorry lol blame Sony
>>577976913storm is gonna be top 1 in a month or so
>>577976913there are arguments to be made on whether she's the toppest tier but if she's not she's literally right below. she's stronger than spidey imo just not as braindead to play
>>577977160>She's stronger than the best character in the gameYeah, no.
>>577977102>>577977160Huh, I was only really using her for the Vertical Assist regardless, but that's surprising. I'm too retarded to use more than two characters at once so I'm just going Spidey and Doom for now, but I guess I'll keep that in mind since she does seem kinda strong from the games I've played against Stormfags.
>>577977361spidey is absolutely not the best character in the game you're a retard
>>577977361spidey is really good but he's quick to pick up which makes him seem stronger, he's still top 3 though. storm requires a lot of investment comparatively but her ceiling is wayyyy higher
>>577976973>you're having inconsistent lag spikes? you should try to play the game through a fucking parsec server instead, that'll improve things???
>>577978542You're not having lag spikes, your CPU is maxing out from all the shitass bloatware thrown on one thread and the rollback is defaulting to 8 frames because the actual process is being delayed.
parsec is about to become meta for this game like mvc3
>>577978824cool, but how is going to shitty delay netcode going to be any better? if you're going to discord fighter it, you can just match people who you actually don't have issues with>b-but everyone in the whole world has issues, literally no match has ever ran normally in this game ever because I personally haven't seen it'k
>>577980309>how is a couple frames of delay better than a solid EIGHT FRAMES of rollbacklol>just match with people you don't have issues withIf someone you're playing is getting the 8fr problem your computer is the issue.
Majority of fg players are on console. Pc is the minority. There's a reason why pc fighters are always dead without crossplay.
>>577979251discord begging for tokon week 1 was on no ones bingo card
>>577980567cope or 10 year coma?
>>577980567hello alioune this hasn't been true for a long time
>>577977531>>577977407What the fuck am I readingHe was in every single team in top 8If Spiderman lives this game turbo flops and dies but unironically
>>577980525>how is a couple frames of delay better than a solid EIGHT FRAMES of rollbackI don't have to choose b/c my cpu isn't from back when obama was president
>>577981041that doesn't mean he's the best character. it's 1 week into the game and he's clearly S tier and by far the easiest one of the tier to play.
>>577981212>godlike neutral>he has unreactable mixup. No fuzzy guard doesn't fucking work EVERYONE ate his shit constantlyThe only close to him is Goblin but at least he requires support and to use his mechanic rather than straight up being like that from default
>>577981041because he's strong, easy, the most popular comic character of all time and the game was out for literally 1 week while asking you to play 4 characters.if they dumpster spidey and nobody plays him anymore you'll just start crying about the new character that's on most teams, I've seen this song and dance play out again and again.
>>577981332brother supernoon lost because he just kind of refused to use meter to actually kill sonicfox a half dozen times and you're pretending these people have mastered the game and have nothing more to improve on, in a tournament that happened 1 week after release.I get you've never played in a tournament in your life, but you're being a histrionic retard
>>577981393>if they dumpster spidey and nobody plays him anymore you'll just start crying about the new character that's on most teamsLet's see.>next in list is GoblinHe's broken yes. Nerf him too.>next in list is PantherAlso retarded mixup levels no one else in the game has. Also nerf her.>next in list is Blade? Magik?Let me see.. Oh just neutral monsters. Don't need any nerfs.See? You're wrong.
>>577981332spidey's solo mix isn't unreactable he needs assists too. he's obviously one of the best characters in the game but he doesn't have the mix potential of goblin or storm and doesn't have the damage potential of other top tiers at all. there are better characters.
>sajam constantly complaining about shitty matchmaking and laggy matches every stream>watch hook for a bit>constantly get fast matches with <20ms and no rollbackwhat gives
>>577981615if what you want is achieved and all of these characters are nerfed this will be the most boring fighting game ever. none of these characters are even remotely broken. other characters need to be buffed. you are a retard and a shitter
>>577981683hook is big enough to absorb all of the rollback
>>577981683Someone told him about The Trick.
>>577981683Sajam is a 2XKO shill he's not going to give Tokon any grace
>>577981202Actually older CPU's tend to do better because they have better single-threaded performance and big caches
>>577981683People keep insisting that if you matchmake same region only it fixes it, but I tried it and it doesn't do anything. It's placebo. It just werks for some people and doesn't others, just like the PC port in general pre-patch (and post-patch too, apparently)
>>577982091set your region to us east, thats where everyone is
>>577981530And because sonic fox is simply better
>>577982138Already was on US Espanol because that's where I live
>>577975840Iron man to me has the best projectile in the game.
>>577982320i've pretty much never had an issue with matchmaking outside of when i set it to worldwide, even at like 5 am EST i'm finding ranked matches on us east in like 30 seconds. maybe its because i'm only silver though
>>577982440Like I said it just werks for some and doesn't others. I've tried everything trust me. Matchmaking just does not work for me. And many others
>>577982561I barely had any issue with those, even with wired with 3 lines, it's like 100 ms at worst, I feel like you live in the 2010s still
I heard the game got crackedWhere to get sirs?
>>577982561this is basically how I feel playing online too
>>577982563Grab the crack and hit parsec!
Is 41k for a 1 assist 25 meter combo good enough or should I try to get more damage for those resources? It wall breaks/slumps if that makes a difference.
Wow Sajam is a fucking tier whore wtf is his team? He doesn't even play competitively.
So what's the AI exploit for level 5 Champion? He input-reads like a motherfucker.
>>577983480which story are you doing? generally i think its assist spam + armored moves + timing him out though
>>577980875>aliounethis dude is so schizo, probably cus hes french
>>577983443he legit does this in every gameremember how sol was his "favorite" character in strive and he also was busted on release? same thing with luke, same thing with ekko, goes on and on
>>577790435I feel like I've seen this movie before
https://x.com/UriParadise_/status/2089632101783978495 storm is gonna be so scary bros
>>577983850I've already 100%'d all of them to unlock the CPU-5 boss fight, I just figured there must be some general AI weakness to exploit because this asshole is MK Walker levels of input reading
>>577984221Besides the combo being cool and her flying across the screen with wind, there's nothing scary about the clipMuch fairer than Spiderman who everyone in this thread is slurping down. Honestly they feel like they want to sabotage Tokon lol
>>577866495>start seriously labbing out magik, the other character I was gonna play instead of cap cuz they both have nice big DP assists>under same conditions she also has a coast to coast combo, only hers does 5k more damage (and obv way more if I dump darkchild max meter shit)america bros... we lost to russia after all......
Does autocombos have autocombos only type combos? Like in dbfz the only way to get the move where trunks dashes through his opponent with his sword like in the movie you had to do the auto combo.
>>577985365In the air autocombos will height-correct which is extremely useful
>>577985468does the combo bar increase more from doing air auto combos? because the air combos in this game feel awful to do compared to dbfz and drop on me randomly
>>577985654when you do actual grounded LLL MMM or HHH they drastically increase combo bar but just doing jH jH to magnetize to your opponent doesn't
>>577982708Pl0x respond
Idk y but iron man’s beam super seems like it does more damage in a combo than other characters super during a combo
>should we fix the performance?>NO! MORE POST-RELEASE MARKETING!!
>>577986854snoy is very smart with this strategy, its working with the physical situation
>>577982689>it's fine on my end>youYes the sajam in the picture will reply and rescind his reaction
>>577986854Yeah because the same person posting marketing material on twitter is also responsible for fixing the game.Oh wait it's ArcSys, it probably is the same person, my apologies.
>8 frame rollback >matchmaking issues >crack revealing Sony drm sabotaging the PC port>PC player numbers plummeting >Mfw despite all of that I boot up Tokon and have fun playing it with friends and in the lobbyTough times never last, Tokon will overcome the rough launch eventually bros.
>>577987075>Tough times never lastTry living my life. You wouldn't last.
>Buy a cpu not specialized for gaming>Bitch about performance issues while gamingYou faggots can't be this retarded
oh boy here comes another "it's just your PC" retard
Massa Sony, what cpu should I get for your anti cheat
I miss berserker barrage and fatal claw super
>>577987075They have to fix the game to make it survive. Then yes it can slowly heal. But good luck doing the 1st.
>Get off work>Still no performance patchAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>try to start reading comics by reading Wolverine solo titles>every fight is him getting his ass beat and missing all his attacks>once he hits them once, villain just flees and says I’ll be back next time runt This nigga stinks
You think the radio silence on the issues for the game is because Sony higher ups are debating to remove the drm from the game? I can't see them attempting another bandaid patch for all the games problems for a 3rd time. Huffing military grade copium of course but what can you do.
>>577988172i think they did it for helldivers 2 and also optimized that game heavily, so probably if people keep dropping the game they'll do something
How do you pressure people again. I'm doing normals> special> rush assist call and getting out mashed by my opponent
Wolverines air double claw slice or Bardocks air double roundhouse kicks?
>>577947314>Blade has fantastic left right mix the super noon shown off.I was thinking of trying Blade, can I have a timestamp for those?Also a starter BnB would be appreciated
>>577985365Yes there's one auto-combo exclusive attack that you only get from double medium or double heavy, I don't think it's something you want outside of specific setups though since it eats a huge chunk of the combo bar. People in CEO were using it to forcibly end combos in hard knockdowns for oki setups instead of running the combo bar out normally.
https://x.com/JustinSGX/status/2089719755196301778Here's your performance comparison
>>577988172It could just be Arcsys behaving as usual, I don't think they said shit about wild rush for almost all of its existence in Strive (outside of when they changed the versions specific characters had) until season 2 dropped and they admitted they'd hated it all along. They probably won't say shit until/unless they patch again.
>>577988610Isn't 5LL also unique?
tokon flopped on purpose to make room for mvc5
>>577989797>a MvC game on RE engine
>>577989040Probably, I don't think anyone was doing the light autocombos though
>>577990084You can cancel after 5LL into M and H buttons so plenty of people will use it to get extra time to hitconfirm their mashing.
They should exclude 5LL from the gatling limit and make the limit start after the next normal just so the autocombo has more merit to using it.
How do I do those crazy cap shield combos
>>577992769>>577992769>>577992769transform
>>577987075based true believer!
