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>>578559747Yatoro had 1 highlight play at the end of game 5 on sf where he lived on 1 hp but Satanic dropped highlight reels every game.
Jugg ruins my pubs games, and I don't even want pub Juggs to build Deso, and have 1500 extra gold.I'm telling you about MKB's midness as a courtesy.
Satanic just needs more help
>>578561889Lmao how much help does he need
I'm not good enough at the game to know what they should've picked instead
last game injoker and axe were kinda deadweight
>>578562003Smartest dota 2 player here
>>578561708>at the end of game 5 on sfbitch stfu
They drafted jugg for lanes to not fall apart because they kept eating shit in lanes you have to suggest a carry that can not get bullied out by ion shell eventually and can threaten a kill if secret supports roam (they did this every game at 2~ minutes)Bear in mind their own supports had to roam early too to not have mid spiral out of control since invoker can't fucking handle runeslop>>578562003Good post
>>578562060Not even a ceeeeeeeeeeeb moment
thinking of queuing into mason
There's no scenario or item build where they win with Jugg in that game. He's just a bad hero at the pro level because he's so easily countered. They even picked him into Bane already. Puppey just picked some retarded shit like he always does with a series on the line. Don't know why they didn't pick Kez, a hero Satanic had been playing at this tournament. Or Morphling, or Drow. Jugg was just a horrible pick. Also, Axe was useless too. Should have just pulled out the Enigma for the final game if you want teamfight. Black Hole also gives Jugg a chance to omni without getting lotus'd if you get enough heroes in it. Just awful drafting by Puppey the entire series.
>>578562207anti-mage
>>578562282Those were terrible Morph and Drow games
>>578562207>you have to suggest a carry that can not get bullied out by ion shell eventuallyPick Drow. Her aghs is also good against Naix. She has an aoe silence that's good against every hero on dire. She builds pike naturally which is also good against the enemy team.
qop owes me sex
>>578562282Kez was a much better pick.
Buff Hoodwink
Ok when they have 6 platemails MKB wins, I seem to be having a lot of trouble actually clicking my hero for some reason, hopefully everyone learned something
prime miracle would've won btw
is everything offline?
Nothing was wrong with the draft or the jugg pick vision just choked under pressure puppey can't play the game for them
RTZ would've won that game.
>>578562673Game 1 was 100% on Puppey though
>>578562893Smoking is undeniably cool.
>>578562673jugg is a dogshit heroyou pick proper S tier heros and games are so much fucking easier
Sticky!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone analyzing the Juggernaut pick and his item build, but they picked Axe and he went Manta Style after Blink. No one is going to talk about that?
>>578563060Also, Hoodwink had like a 40% winrate at TI. Why did they keep picking that stupid rat when Ringmaster was available.
Dotards ded
>>578563104Puppey talked about having a bit of splitpush is good in the patch probably got it for creep skipping to push out lanes dunno what minute he bought it though
>>578563217They love picking shitty-Lion.
>>578563104axe was already bricked from the naix pick it doesnt matter
time to return to cozy slow and schizophrenic d2g
>>578563104Manta off has been extremely common
d2pt says radiant specter has a 57% winrate and is the top hero that was the pick
>>578563104Axe illusions can do counter helix to push waves
>>578563361As opposed to what? It was mostly cozy and slow during TI too.
Collapse and Yatoro are good, but faker still has 6 rings to their 3
>>578563475Puppey...
>>578563491way too fast i wanna swap threads every 24-36 hours not 2 hours
>this is actual Vasilisa's twich page picturewhat did she mean by this?
>>578563475So just pick Enigma if you want to splitpush. Who the fuck picks Axe for that reason.
>>578563361Back to how it was supposed to be time to kick out these tourist
>>578563512i think honestly this says more about the other gooks than faker though they arent getring paid millions to live in a high rise apartment to play vidya to be fair
>>578563664Enigma is not winning that offlane
Counter-helix is disabled specifically on Manta illusions, btw.
>missed your aegis because someone just HAD to pick jugg
>>578563512>faker still has 6 rings to their 3
where's mason's cam
>>578563826Still works with shard no?
>>578563512Winning in dota is harder than winning in league
deso is the shittiest fucking damage item in the game and we have retards telling you to buy it on fucking jugg (the guy that wants attackspeed)
>>578563512You know what's better than winning the special olympics?Not being retarded.
>>578564106
Masao really bet boomed gf kek
>>578563761Yeah he is are you fucking kidding me. He just sits back and farms. Naix isn't touching him and you can keep your eidolons away from him during laning and he has an infinitely better bkb/rage piercing disable. They literally only picked Axe because they first picked Invoker and wanted a sunstrike set up. Also, no one went fucking ICE WALL AGHS INSTEAD OF CATACLYSM. I'm starting to think Vision was matchfixing these games with how grief their draft and items were in game 5.
>>578564195Damn. Where were you last thread, asshole? When people were posting videos of Deso being better than MKB?
>>578564350They don't want to FARM nigger they want KILLS they picked axe with the invoker to push in the shit of whatever lane they were into the fuck is enigma offering to fuck over the naix?
>>578564415He shouldn't have bought either of those items. They're both shit.
>>578564676>They don't want to FARM nigger they want KILLSThey literally afk farmed for 60 minutes then lost the game in one fight.
remember sammyboy? lmao
>>578562003They needed a (ranged) carry who could dish out physical damage since they had plenty of teamfight, and they were facing Pango (magic immune) and Lifestealer (magic immune).A lot of the good options were already banned *AND* the Dark Seer picked really fucked them on the remaining choices because any carry with good stats was going to be used against them. For example, I thought Naga would've been a really good final carry pick until the Dark Seer came out. Would've been a 120 minute Chinese farming game but Naga would've been strong overall. Morphling too. Dark Seer 100% cucked most of those options.Even without the Jugg throw pick, Puppey was outdrafted hard.Best I can think would've been like Drow, or Slark. And anybody thinking about it would be cringing hard at how that was still going to be a bad time. That shows you how hard Puppey was outdrafted.
>>578564793Yes because every game they were drafting for lanes to not fall apart because current dota is snowball shit off 20-30 minute fight the only reason they could stay in is off not sharting the lanes horrendously
I do hope Satanic and 9ass can win the next one, glad my boy Collapse got the 3peat. I love dota.
>>578564918Drafting to win lanes is only a Chinese thing. All of the European teams don't think winning lanes is that important. As you saw in game 5, as vision won their lanes and lost the game.
rapier would give the most dps
remember iceberg? now that was a lad
Treant is shit so why do they keep picking
>>578564875there were multiple problems, 1st was invoker, injoker didn't do shit, 2nd was at draft spirit banned TB then picked dark seer, parivision should've tried to pick TB, I know satanic can play it
>>578565075Butterfly will be on Falcons next season
>>578562893Idk how old he was at that clip but starting to smoke in your 20s is really gay. You either start smoking at age 16 or never.
>>578565228100% pick/ban rate and the highest winrate hero of TI
level 1 rosh with ursa SK aura...
>>578565262Yeah, Puppey really fucked the draft the entire series.
is rapier feeding a viable strat
>>578565351its easy to forget how dumb some of you are
>>578565712Puppey is the white xiao8. How many great players has he cost a TI with his horrible drafting. Just hang it up old man.
>>578565351Pretty much this lol
slarks going mage slayer is just an extension of EE going hood of defiance on slark first item during ti7. a true meta forger
>dota 2 cross over a million concurrent players again todayare we back?
>>578565341Falcons won't exist Skiter, Crit, Sney are going the Artour way since their age starts with 3.The other 2 are probably getting picked by liquid to replace Nisha who might be retiring and Acr who definitely is. Also putting Satanic and Ammar im the same team sounds like a recipe for disaster, those 2 will get into fights over farm.
When you think about it, it was really just collapse+yatoro vs satanic and sometimes noone. So instead of having 10/10 games where everyone is at the top of their game or tryharding like their lives depend on it you get something like 4-5/10 games. Doesn't help that the prize pool is something a RUNNER-UP would win 10 years ago.The sups, for the most part, were dogshit across the board other than maybe 9class' Rubick, so that evens it out and mids were just that - MIDS. I can't even single out any particularly good plays by them that helped shift the tide. Noone's invoker, jej. Noticed has nothing on Collapse, that nigga didn't win ti10 for nothing. He would've been good even ten years back, if a guy like him was competing in prodotards at the time.Even their second aegis felt more "appropriate" somehow, despite that bo5 being GG getting railed for 3 games straight.Also, puppey fucked pv over hard with his game1 draft. Drafting Ember for Satanic, wtf was he thinking? The other 4 games are on pv's cores being not as good when it mattered most.SHAME, Spirit have a history of playing and winning these excruciatingly prolonged games with REAL high stakes but they can only be as kino as their opponents LET them be. In other words, their skill has to match - then you get kino. Hopefully China bounces back because I don't see this formation of Spirit hanging around for much longer and having only one region sucks because there's always a clear topdog and none of these bookie/crypto teams were really put together to PERFORM, more like ADVERTISE, even though these are not necessarily bad players. I'd rate this TI a B/C-tier from the playoffs perspective. Day 1 kicked off real strong but began to slow down afterwards. 2 relatively fun games in GFs out of 5 in the grand finals but at no point in the series did it feel like PV were ahead of Spirit. Thangs for redink.
i'm going deso ac antimage since manta abyssal doesn't give enough damage
hey dotards I only watched first and last game from GF are the others worth watching?also what was the announcement new hero, next TI?
Remember when CIS had to rely on that fucking donkey Illidan?
>>578566482thats a man
>>578566495Here comes the butthurt shitposting.
>>578566561>also what was the announcement new hero, next TI?
so uhwhere act 2 of dark carnival?
>>5785665612 and 3
>>578567093Sep. 3?
>>578564350>He just sits back and farms.That was never going to happen. They were tower diving the Axe and he kept having to run off with 1 HP, and overall kept invading the jungle. It's a low MMR take to think that Enigma was ever going to have any chance to quietly afk farm the whole game.
8.00 & puppet master reveal soon dotards. the confluence is here
>no announcement>not even a date for Act 2See you in december, retards, hope you like that same frostivus chest again and no event.
Arteezy (Allison)
>>578567254enigma is WAY stronger than axe in laning... and can scout for himself and can punish supports
you just know satanic was internally seething he didn't get to show up on yatoro with his TB after yatoro's game 3
>>578567293Dark Carnival will still be going on in December m8
HANNAH_MONTANA
You're telling me the betting org team drafted the worst carry hero in dota in the last game of TI? like its so obvious satanic took a dive for the bookies wake up people
whats next for puppey
>>578568856They didn't want to humillate chinks again so the team chinks were supporting won this time
just had some of the worst pubs i've ever played in my life. remembered why this game is not worth playing without friends
>I missed the TI international competition for 6th year in a rowwelp
remember pieliedie? damn secret was fun with that nigga
>grant in mason chatdid he read up on psychology?
>>578569217You'll be glad to learn that we're getting a Pugna persona with Act 2 of the Clownfall event.
>thread already dead right after TI
>>578570552People are all probably asleep.
>>578570647the earth is round
>>578563009not for people with sense of smelllooks cool, reeks
>>578570552It's 6pm. I have to sleep so I can go to work tomorrow.
Any drawfags show up during TI that I missed
>ranked Dota is garbage>Nothing to watch>Normal Dota sucks>Turbo sucksWhat's there to do
>>578570738yeah and it's midnight in the EU which is a big chunk of the english speaking dota playerbaseI don't think that there are a lot of chinks that frequent the /dotard/ general
>>578572513No. I haven't really drawn anything.
nice grand finals watched the replayi feel like the old players could have guessed that puppey was gonna sperg the draftmust be an ego thing or somethinganyways see you next year or maybe next major who knows
>>578572513there was one sk pic
>>578572884go download wuwa
>>578573330>gachashitI'd rather gouge my eyes out than be conditioned like fucking cattle by chinks
TURN IT AROUND
>>578573519k
there's no one because we have nothing to say
>>578572884Deadlock or smite 2
bye see you guys when we get remote mines back
>>578572884did aghanims labyrinth or the other modes ever become a permanent fixtureaside from arcade
>>578574265Aghs Lab is available as one of those custom arcade games. Good luck finding people to play with though if you don't have a 4-stack.
>>578558047that patch was probably the most fun i'd ever had in dota 2you could monkey pos 4 and just run around first item skullbasher and win teamfights single handedly bashing everyone wtih your ult lol
>>578562282>Also, Axe was useless tooThe Axe+Invoker combo carried them through the midgame and they would have won if they'd had an actual carry
I don't think I've ever seen impactful Slardar. Or at the very least, Slardar that doesn't go 1/10
>>578573723Is that a defense mechanism 'k'? Because if you spend any amount of money on gacha games, you have no dignity.
Does Chen just suck as a hero? I'm like Archon I think (I only play turbo) and he's micro-heavy so I assumed he's too high-skill for my level, but he went unpicked and unbanned at TI. Checking his win rates according to Dotabuff, he gets absolutely shat on in lower skill brackets, and only hits ~50% win rate at Divine and Immortal. So I guess it's partially skill, and partially he's genuinely just underpowered?
Treant can't do a single thing.He can't tank, he can't heal, he can't carry, he can't even save. The hero has been shit for decades.But they ban him anyway.
>>578575438He has underwhelming laning and doesn't really scale into late game. But if you can pull off an early push, you can take easy rax with ancients.
Reminder that deadlock is the game for dota 2 players that enjoy skillshots and using their hands in general
>>578575438his design makes it hard to balance him, he will be either dogshit or super imba
>>578575669I tried to play Deadlock. Visually and aesthetically its one of the best games I've seen, but I'm biased because I just like that mysticism/Halloween theme. As of gameplay it's dogshit. It is better than every other attempt on "3rd person moba" but it's still dogshit. This idea of combining moba with other genres will never work no matter how hard they try. Also it's even worse than Dota 2 in terms of slavs having melty in voice chat
>>578575526isnt his whole thing just spamming eyes and being invisible then overgrow when people are barely mispositioned
>>578575438How do you play this guy in TurboTax? The early game ends in like 5 mins
just watched Dove's Kill Bill segment. Shit was kinda cute made me think RTZ is the winner of this whole dota2 thing and I dont even have jungle fever
>>578575438If icefrog wants people to play Chen so she can sell Chen arcana. Buff neutral creep. Instant pick chen from sweaty players.
>>578575958Uh, you don't. Just don't.
>>578575669and by using their hands he means "trading"
>>578575526Treant is BH plus Hoodwink. So yea they ban it.
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Oh no Masonsisters the challenge isn't starting off well
>>578576012Bounty Hunter, Doom, and Alchemist are also shit in turbo. It's sad
>>578575918yea we get it you cant land a bebop hook
Just rewatched the last game of TI for the 3rd time because I felt something was really off. It wasn't Satanic's jugg. No[o]ne sabotaged the game, he was pushing mid solo at minute 45 and got caught several times, he was blinking in with tornadoes and meteors like it's a pub, he was always too late for fights, and he never did clutch pickoffs on the Bane while he was fiend gripping Jugg. He absolutely broke under pressure, Satanic was fine.
is there a way to filter every match in dotabuff/opendota/etc by what heroes are in there? im trying to see the first time some of the new heroes were picked
>>578576147All 3 of those you mentioned are dogshit.>>578576303For what purpose?It's been 13 years since they released this game.It's kind of time for dota 3, though they'll never make it.A dota 3 could arise through a mod for dota.
>>578577114Satanic played well but there's only so much he can do against Collapse on DS
>>578562003Given the single target lockdown (bane), Carry damage turn around (DS, ww), and lack of consistent aoe damage threat, I'd personally have picked naga or PL in that matchup but I'm just a guy...
>>578577272>picking PL against DSSend this guy to TI
>>578576303WHY WON'T IT DIE
>>578577114combination of things really, noone choked, collapse prolapsed everyones anus, the bane save on the last fight was very nice as well
>>578577402I'm an old man with old man hands so sadly the best I could do is coach
>>578577272>picking PL or Naga *after* the Dark Seer pickAnon...
>>578576303I am astonished by how popular this game is but pretty much nobody knows it exists
>>578577809you are a goofball
>>578577819ie you are not seeing ads and marketing content online
>no announcementdead game
>>578577992Why didn't they go Viper, actually
they needed to pick a chaos knight
>>578575669ADHD movement games need to die off. Only reason deadlocks enjoyable is because streetbrawl exists
>>578577819Not popular here anymore.This thread didn't get a sticky. I don't know where the million are.Feels like everyone in SEA, china, america, and south america stopped playing.Europe kind of plays, but is it really eastern europe doing all the playing?
>>578578336>retarded colored hair>stupid fucking tattoos>horrible pits
>>578578460>is it really eastern europe doing all the playing?duh. and SA still plays. there's also a number of people who grow up with riot's crap and then makes the shift when they get sick of it
>>578578374retard
>>578578460Bots probably but no idea what would you bot this for.
was this your biggest event of the year, dotards?
>>578579014i watched quite some of the ecwg but i guess yea getting a terrain token feels nice
My last game was 3 days ago, I still haven't recovered from the abominable team that I got. Pos5 PA, Pos4 Alch. It was either god's subtle sense of humor or karma from another life. I don't think I'm going to play ever again. 3 days later and I'm still traumatized. Throwing the towel, I've been broken by subhumans.
the winning TI comp> Bane>Flightstealer>Dr. Pavelier >Cat riding Woman>Dark Seer (Ras Al Ghul)
>>578579295i have played with a tinker (mid) a few days ago, i still havent fully recovered
>>578579014>was this your biggest event of the year, dotards?No, beyond the summit is coming soon.
>>578563009Hello Goldenstein
>>578578460
>>578579554>more japanese than BR monkeyswrong
>>578563512Is faker actually good at the game or is it just a big meme?
>>578579554Why don't ziggers play LeL or mobileshit?
>>578579554Dota is so white!
>>578579798why don't zoggers
>>578579673Retard
are we slowly heading towards league with ranged hard carry/tanky melee core meta>drow>np>sf>TB (he counts as ranged because he only fights in meta)>naix
>>578578336>HEHE DO YOU GET IT? CAUSE THEY ARE LITERAL WHORES!>SO FUNNY
Unioronically, when does anti-mage do damageWhy can I walk up to a half health and half mana witch doctor, hit him out of Silver Edge, and do 3 autos for 300 damage before he stuns and kills me despite having bf, skadi, treads and mantatheir PA is doing 1600 damage in one auto and I can't even threaten a half health support
>>578579798Nobody in the postsoviet space gives a fuck about riot games. It's cs, dotards and homm3.>mobile shitYou grow up playing pc games.
>>578579941wheres your abyssal retard
>>578579375This is another thing my heart can't handle. 9 games out of 10 my midlane has a level 2 or 3 badge on the hero they picked. Could you not practice in unranked or turbo before deciding to ruin everyone's day? Why is my midlane a 450GPM Outworld Devourer, no one even ganked him or tried to offset his farm.I am dry heaving to the idea of someone like that being in my team again. I'm done.
>>578579941>silveredgeDon’t even play this game but I know you should have abyssal or the hero is total junk
>>578579874yea, if not for mutts spoiling it
>>578580084I honestly fucking hate burgers obsession with anime, so many Americucks play gachashit and watch garbage anime
>>578567254You can't just run at Enigma with his eidolons doing a million damage to you and Bane can't do shit against them. Sure, Mirana can starfall them, but you can still just malefice her and run back. Also, Enigma is great at recovering from a shit lane since he can farm super fast in the jungle and split push. The game stalled for like 40 minutes anyway and everyone just decided to farm for 60 minutes. Imagine Enigma in that final teamfight with aghs refresher BKB instead of Axe with Manta nullifier or whatever awful items he had. Black hole would have given Jugg ample time to a. omnislash without getting fucked by items or b. just right click them to death. Also, way better pick for Invoker spells if it goes late since he stuns everyone for cataclysm (which no one didn't choose for some odd reason).
>>578579941>has a spell block>dont use it>dont buy stuns either>get stunned and die>what the fuck this is unfaira dotard classic
>>578579941anti mage is at his strongest when he has 11min fury with manta bfly at min 20 while enemy core has 2 items, aka 1000 gpm, not really feasible desu
>>578575135Not really. They were only picking off supports. Axe went like 10-15 minutes trying to find a core and lost his networth lead. They didn't do anything with the early snowball they were building.
>>578579798>lolgame bans you for swearing, how long do you think an average russian can last?
>>>>Why do you have a silver edge vs phantom assassin
>>578578430>ADHD movement games need to die offThis is a strange opinion to read hereGo back to like 2020 or even 2010 and it was nonstop seethe about "slow" shooters like CoD/Halo and begging for fast games like Quake to come back
>>578580557Oh no he’s retarded…
>>578577992>using Herald statsWrong website you baka.
>>578577114No one also went ice wall aghs instead of cataclysm. That either had to be a misclick or a deliberate throw. No way you choose that on purpose against two heroes with free bkb.
alright that's bait fuck you faget
>>578580557It's not your job to kill a PA as AM you fucking retard
>>578580604>people where complaining so hard about muh milsims boomer shooters rushed onto the scene and quickly died as everyone went back to the milisims they supposedly hate>they could've also just played quake or one of the gorillion doom WADs out therefags never understand what they want it's just how it is
>>578576303How is there a million people playing but 0 new talent in the pro scene outside of team Spirit?
>>578580084except artists
>>578580557you as am outfarm pa then reach critical mass of manta bfly at 20-25 min and end the game right there
FBI is in contact with Gabe again when he starts sending out millions of dollars to Russians. It seems like our favorite billionaire might get some photo op with our prez.
>>578580791>AI slop hallucinations
>>578580770I didn't know Satanic was playing in TIs when he was 12
>>578563009It's about the same tier of people that think drinking makes them cool.
>>578580730Then I did my job, I took a barracks while she was fed a kill a minute in the lane and ended 26 and 7
>>578580869He's not that new anymore. He's been in the scene for a few years.
>>578580860its easily verifiable facts
>>578575268slardars on my team always farm slowly, and try to be the last one in the fight just to ks or they have no impact, die after 1 stun. feels like there's no in-between with this hero
>be a honest player>pick a honest hero like dark seer>enemy support counterpicks with oracle>dishonestly dispels all my honest ion shells
>>578580743>milsimsmilsims refers to shit like arma or AA, not cod
So how'd your fantasy picks go Dotards? Mine blew up in my face because I got the wrong blues on my support duo.
>>578581034fucked by no one going for tormentor
>>578580791>artistsThat's outsource, it's irrelevant. Every major studio uses outsourcers.
>>578576513he was tanking his rating the last few days leading up to it too. top kek. although him picking gyro hc and nyx is really suspicious. both terrible heroes this patch
>>578581034I made some mistakes is all I'll say.
>>578580287russians are very muttified its true
>>578580791all american cartoons are made by Korea but nobodys watching Korean animes
>>578581190I mean tbf he's had a lot of griefers the last couple timess I tuned in, the nyx game he had a midas WD mid
wellnow what
>>578581421Suggest hero reworks
>>578581421Tiddies
>>578580305why are you obsessed with americans? all these russian zoomers at TI are all massive weebs, dipshit
>>578581421Back to working on getting to Immortal for most of you.
>>578581548i was herald when i quit
>>578581034Got 98k points on main event-hopefully will be enough to keep me in 95th percentile, currently at 98th.
satanic doesnt have the zxc factor
>>578578359Viper against Pango, Dark Seer, and Bane doesn't sound great. Who would he even counter?
>>578581034I got 93k in the playoffs, but I'm currently 96% so I don't know if I'll make the cutoff.
>>578581421going to goon to AI shota pugna
>>578581548I'm 2.7k and I've been playing for 15 years.
>>57858103491k thanks to bad multipliers i'm cooked
>>578581421now you get in shape to play next year
>>578580770Because you have to be better than the current pros to take their spot and dota is fucking hard to get that good.
>>578581421just got recommended this so I guess 2019 TIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-3X4Q9yZkg
>>578581421deadlock of course!
>>578581190why did he do it? he can't even 1v9 in that mmr
>>578580770synergy is more important than a slight increase of skill so once youre in you tend to stay in
>>578580770idunno watch regional qualifiers maybe, those are quite entertaining actually
Please tell me they're killing Undying's free buyback innate.
>>578579941good bait 7/10
>>578580854Maybe this will spark a 1970's style "ping pong diplomacy" event with the Russians and Mr drumpf and Dota will be relevant again. 200iq play
>>578581421We should run our own inhouse tournament. First couple times will be a shitshow but after we blacklist the subhumans surely it'll get better.
>>578582004deadlock is more fun to play but not nearly as fun to watch
>>578580770>>578582204also yes, amount of new slots for the region is either 1 or 2 which means you have to beat actual pros first to get in
>>57858077099% are casuals. The ones that grind are few and far between and most will never get anywhere.
>>578581421sticky
>>578580770more than 90% of players never touch ranked
Read mind_controls interview in slav and good news he also notices the leagueification of dota occurring
what's the funniest cosmetic name or description you've seen?
>>578582204its a good indicator of the state of the game whether anyone streams them or not, because its not paid for by valve, you have to give a shit about the game
>>578582616>leagueificationWhat does it mean
sex with hoodwink
>>578582646grandgrant was the only one holding up NA then the caster cabal ruined his life for no reason (and also killed NA dota)
>>578582629
>>578582705the game is not the same as it was when i started playing and that's bad and league is also bad (we hate league of legends everyone say it we hate league) so the game is being leagueified
>>578582058he's BOOOOOOOORED i guess
>>578582705https://dota2.ru/interviews/66248-intervu-s-mind-control-trenerskaa-karera-problemy-doty-nigma-galaxy/He goes into it a bit more below this part but basically being dumbed down
I still think about that short speech Lyrical gave about playing Dota with friends.
>>578582616Everyone does. The game could really use a hard reset and a long look at all the nusystems. I think slowly building half assed shit on top of each other is to the games detriment
>>578583012I agree with him, I remember the good ol days of no wards aghs rush on whatever support, was much more fun
what if u get rid of neutral items and turn the neutral slot into a utility slot? any of the following items can go there:>wards>smoke (remove ability to cast in backpack)>boots>dustor what if it became time based where its kinda like timer of nuetral items but based on time it can be any items:>0-10min - any item under 600>10-30min - any item under 2500>30-45min - any item under 4200>45-onwards - any item thoughts dotards
>>578583012>fighting over who buys the courier>never gets bought for 10 minutes
>>578583374Ok but only if you also fold tp slot into it
>>578583012>we need to make playing support unfun againwhy doe
>>578583012I've never really understood the idea that supports being able to do more some how makes the game easier. It's one thing to not like the change in design of the game, but I don't think it really changes the difficulty.
>>578583105You can't reset this gameIt will just keep getting more bloated.if you want a better game you'll have to play another game.
I actually liked not having to farm as a support. Ironically this is why I switched to carry, because why be the suppcuck and still have to pull gpm
>>578583105the game is in a much better state now that playing support isn't miserable. i used to play support back then because i couldn't play carry (no roles in queue, if i tried going safelane, some nigger would grief me, claim he marked first even when he didn't etc). even though you still get a sniper or slark support sometimes even with high behavior score, overall people are willing to play their role now since it isn't cock ball torture. it's just a much better experience. i started playing in december 2011 too, and i never played leaguei always hated how the whiny the pros for this game are. they want everything to revolve around them. doom a little bit strong? nerf him because every pro starts crying. huskar shitting on pubs? lel no one cares. fuck those niggers. we never got a concede because they whine they wouldn't be able to practice late game or whatever. but their pubs have people giving up, running down mid, essentially a concede ever since, i don't know, 2013. meanwhile, lower rated players only started throwing unwinnable games relatively recently, in my experience (so there's a soft concede now but only because people learned better after all these years)tl;dr - pro and high rated players can get fucked in the ass by the big fat drow cock
>>578583436>alternatively buying 100 couriers and feeding them in a chaingood old days
>>578583570If you give more resources to supports you absolutely have to give more to cores, so the game ends up being bloated. I don't agree with making supports harder to play when new/casual players need a role to get into the game. Honestly the game needs an overhaul but most of the playerbase is too used to it by this point.
Still better than league thoughbeit
core players just want to shit down on people playing support, and surprise, people don't want to play if their role in the game is to get shit on. you can never go back to that style of dota because people are gonna drop the game if you try bringing that back. major overhaul will also alienate a lot of people like 7.0 did even if the result is better (making supports weaker will lead to less players overall imo regardless)
>>578581647he literally plays zxc heroes wym? sf tb are his heroes, too bad puppy never drafted him tb
>>578583570everyone is richer, mistakes are less severe, overall gameplay level degrades despite the mantra every streamer together with reddit keep repeating that the skill increases its actually the opposite, the only thing increasing is the volume of memory you need to store all the new bloat in.
>>578581421wait for marci arcana
>>578583012if the game is so dumb down why cant he rubick cube his way back into the pro scene
>>578584641the richer supports aren't why mistakes matter less. it's because they increased bounties for heroes and for kill streaks. you could have rich supports and still make the game hard to turn around, but people would whine that winning lanes matters too much and that the games end too fast (say, you win lanes, game is "over" by 10 min but you can't push so you just control the map). if you make it easy to push, pros will just do memepushthe thing is, pros abuse/minmax every aspect of the game, and it needs to be balanced so 99% of the userbase can enjoy it. the correct thing is to let the unsatisfied pros leave, all they do is find new ways to break the game and whine
>>578584584he doesnt have that 1v9 hunger like his cousins dogtoro, nightfall, pure, etc he plays like an EUW carry only coming out when called
The bad guys lost.Dota 2 was saved.
>>578584753He says there he literally doesn't know the new players and all the olds keep retiring that he knows thats why hes coaching hes still rank 200 or something
mind_control is right, we need dota redux right now, we need to nerf everything, reduce the map and maybe even kill icefraud
>>578585064>nightfalllol...lmao... this nigga is the ultimate pussy
i like playing viscous :)
>>578563612kissy kissy arf arf
>>578585037first and foremost they increased the size of the map and added shit ton of sources of xp and gold. It could be nerfed in a single line of code but then someone would wonder why is the map so big to begin with, to which i would say that there is no reason.
>>578585330vegas was such an annoying faggot I quit the game
>>578563612I don't think hot girls attract more players to play dota. it's never been the case for any other game.
Uh, guys?I walked around the jungle and hit creeps and didn't win?Please explainThe Luna video said smurfs win all of their games by walking around the jungle and then they just winWhy did the guy going 15 and 1 on the other side of the map have more gold than me?
>>578585690You didn't lock in enough
>>578585636because they made it harder to push high ground, and the winning team could easily choke the losing team and just lead to a 20-30 min game where the losing team can barely do anything. they could make it easier to push high ground and make the map smaller, but then pros would pick strong lanes and do memepushliterally everything has been tried with this game for the past decade or so. what the game is now is a result of the pros constantly minmaxing whatever is viable
>>578585315look man he may be the king of bkbtp but he still has moments of full retard dive you get the idea
Wow how I miss normal d2g posting can't believe it
>>578585690blame support
>>578585884Its nice to have more than 1 post an hour
Why does the youtube vod stop before the final game ends...
>>578585818imo opinion its because they increased the lvl cap because content, if the game doesnt bloat it means it deadand to keep the play time similar while allowing heroes to reach lvl 30 they needed to increase amount of xp on the map, instead of breaking the theoretical power curve if the map remained similar, meaning a winning team would outlevel their opponents at unreachable level otherwise
>>578585690
>>578586072dont worry im going to sleep now so its going back to that
>>5785807703rd place had a 21 yr old mid on his second ti
much more telling than guessing the number of pub players
>>578586345We at d2g is above those 3 things
Soo fantasy points updated, i got 95th, its gonna drop when its gonna get updated more? i hope not
>>578586293yes and no. yes in the sense that they added level 30 and the skill tree to keep the game fresh and also to let some heroes be more versatile, no because everyone caps at the same level and has the same resources available generally speaking. so having "more power" available doesn't change that much overall. having more power available to support does, but that's a different issue. they could still have strong supports without talents or level 25. same for the map, it's just a matter of changing experience valuesyou guys have some 2k takes, sorry. i'm done discussing this. the people balancing the game make a lot of mistakes, don't necessarily nerf or buff what needs to be changed, but the people here can't even begin to understand why these global changes are implemented in the first place. either way, dota is in a better state now overall than at any point in time previously imo, outside of a short while before TI4 where you could have good 20-30 min games before the pros started abusing memepush
>>578586584
>>578586657why are we still giving sea so many opportunities when the region hasnt won anything
>>578577184What can you really do with dota 3 the only logical jump was going third person
Is treant really that good to be perma banned?
>>578586764Because sea has the most entertaining dota to watch out of all the regions its just pure chaos
>>578586868yes, he's the gayest hero atm. matters more the higher rank you are
>>578586905that is because its so shitcouldnt even beat na this year at ti
>>578586928why though? is it just cause the root goes through bkb or what
>>578586868autowins lane while sitting on his ass and shits on your bkb yes
yatoro? zxc oshiete big dick 1x9satanic? farms 6 slot before he does anythingnightfall? bkbtp's and picks his old teammates only to get knocked out by them lmaopure?
>>578586584sea really is dead, the seaniggas were hypnotized by the phone it seems
>>578586584holy grim lmao
>>578586584no one wanted to play at a communist run tournament
>>578587353Pure busy playing poe
>>578587536so he's the new ixmike
>>578586656you didnt even understand half of my point but already sperged out, mr 3k.increasing the values of xp such that heroes would reach lvl 30 faster, compare to the patch when everyone was lvl 25, meant that the team that becomes dominant in the early game is unreachable in terms of xp to their opponents, do you understand that? this is why xp needed to be dispersed throughout the map, not rewarded instantly, and subsequent enrichment of supports was an afterthought in that.
>>578587528modern americans cant play dota, all they know is burger, lie, circumcision and dying for israel.
good night dotards
i'm 4k but whatever. it doesn't matter either way
>>578587840Good morning
>>578587840good night, dotard
>>578588037No, sheeverNo more good mornings at this time.
wait.. still no new hero and arcana? is it really ogre?
>>578588345No, ogre was that bird mount, wasn't it?
>havent played in 10 years>dotabuff says ancient4what mmr number is that?
Let me take this quick power nap
>>578588345ogres allready in the game
how do we truly fix melee agility carries? the only one that is playable is TB and even then he has ranged cope mode
>>578588616Not sure about the number but that actually seems pretty high for an entire decade break
>>578588616~4500 i think
>want more dota>don't want to watch some loser euro/pinoy streamer>don't want to watch old matches since there's no tension or stakeslife is hard
>>578589779https://liquipedia.net/dota2/PGL/Wallachia/9
>>578589840whos in?
>pick jugg>dominate lane>800 gpm>still lose because you picked jugglaughing to the bank
>>578589779mason is live
>>578587834okay lets get you to bed communist
>>578587834there's nothing wrong with being circumsized
pokemon vgc worlds is next weekend dotards, can wolfie claim his second crown?
>>578591343bro I'm going to play dota 2 or aion 2, I dont watch people playing games anymore, that peaked before the pandemic, after 2020 it's all garbage
should i watch the final?
>>578591518watch porn instead
>>578591518they were good
lmao watching this dotafemcircuit on kick idk how many of them are actually female but pretty entertaining to watch
monkeys forever already in his room playing dota 2, jesus, it's nice that he was in TI, he deserved it
>>578591343If you said Digimon I might have slightly cared
>>57858654021 is ancient in dota.
Why did Satanic go for moonshard and boot of travel instead of refresher or agh if he can only deal damage reliably with omnislash?
>>578592142He was actually doing a lot of damage just with his auto attacks. Problem was they let naix farm for 60 minutes so he had an extra 1000 health they had to get through.
>>578592142he's bad at the game
>>578586905Their scene is full of match fixers and gate keepers preventing any potential newcomers, while most already high ranking players choose to make money from betting and boosting accounts instead.
>>578590330>MKB Jugg
>>578591802he permabanned me in his chat for the very first message i hope he dies
>>578592517Same goes for Sa but instead they groom them to match fix allegedly
So why did the retrad satanic not go aghs on jugg? It's like literally the most important item on the hero
>>578562003I was expecting a drow during draft. Can slap pango while he's rolling. Can help prevent ls and fs from casting they shit. Doesn't need to go through illusion wall.But I'm a shitter so I'm probably missing something.
Dota 2 is being updated supposedly to become more "diverse" like how supports are now relevant late game and have more contribution other than being a walking 250 gold after using skills but as gameplay matures and people become more skilled they also tend to min-max everything they do so things get "cleaner" or let's say more straightforward. It's like the game has plateaued in terms of gameplay and no additional map changes (tormentor/wisdom shrine/larger map) was able to amend that. Even the addition of neutral items didn't do shit.Kuroky, Puppey, and N0tail were right in that one podcast, the game changes are forcing a tunnel vision with all the additional "goals" that you have to achieve in the game like lotus minute 3/bounty minute 4/ wisdom shrine minute 7/tormentor minute 20. Neutrals at 5 - 15 - 25 - 35- 60++ minutes.And yet, Roshan is all that matters in the end. It's like a paradox.
stop buying dragon lance on sniper
>>578592517but enough about russia
man the butterfly slander gotta stop tell that nigga puppey to not draft like a bot and maybe they would have won astini got top 3 with DM shit give him noticed and he gets the job done all ima say
>tfw mostly fucked over by Falcons jobbing at round 1>correctly predicted Vision would job to Spirit but in the wrong slotAlas. Guess I'm not getting that terrain token.
has grandgrant done anything lately
>>578592967drinking and raping people probably
lmao these women that playing dota might be better then most of you guys here ngl
>og cope>w-we had the best ti runs....
>>578593164has anyone ever been so much as look like?
>>578592856At least russians can easily hop to other EU team.
Back to 5 day threads retards. There might not be another TI next year.
my fantasy was finally calculated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!97972.6 fantasy score = 98.2 percentile.I am at 87th percentile right now with 10118 points.with the fantasy score my points jumped to 21238.new overall percentile was not calculated yet.100% I am in the 90th percentile, hopefully also gonna end up in 95th+ percentile.
>>578591710link?
>>578592814why?
>>578592142he has no mana for refresher omni, look at his build
i picked random teams i had zero knowledge of before TI started and i'm in the 37th percentile
why didn't campo santo announce anything in ti? they ran out of animals to make new characters? they should visit the zoo, there are many animals to add to the game
>>578593278>tranime>delusionala match made in hell.
>>578592735no butterfly is
call me the oracle
>>578591857still new to pro
>>578593645no hot women allowed, please understandi think dawnbreaker is hot, i wish there would be another muscular female
>>578593717Imagine trusting sneyking
>>578593534he doesn't need it
>>578592861ye poopey fucked up>ember game 1>letting tb through game 3>game 5 was just draft issue and injoker lmao (I checked pick order, they let ls through too late)
>>578593650>election tourist buzzword>unironic dotard >like, unironically loves and supports dota2 and denies its deadSad creature, go back
>>578593167two of spirits runs were kino lowerbrackets, ogcucks can't compare
>>578594006are you posting in a general for a game you don't play?>Sad creature
>>578594009back to the front lines, dmitri
>>578594109also both their wins were kino 3-2s
>>578593929>>578592814Literally kill yourself retard 2k, I feel insulted just looking at your low iq low skill subhuman post
Does this seem right?
>>578594098Kill yourself TI tourist newfag, I won't say it again.
>>578594227no
>>578594180you should relax.
>>578594303nah I agree with schizoanon. at a minimum the anti dragon lancer should cease his posting immediately.
he's right, you should go force staff before lance on sniper
remember when poopey picked marci LAST PICK and she did nothing the entire game and they lost badly? I 'member
whats a comfy hero for a game of comfy dotes? I haven't played in a year
>>578594292>doomshitter getting uppity
>>578594572Mirana.
Jugg was the best pick that game because Spirit forced the pick with their draft and bans, and the best option sucked
>>578594227>>578594302
>>578594572dark seer
>>578594292uh oh troony having a melty!
>>578594654wrongwraith king was open
>>578594672yoink, I'm taking ur purple hat
>>578594781>picking a STR carry into LifestealerNot even worth considering.
was Drow banned a lot or something? how come she was mostly unpicked during the whole tournament?a slight nerf to multishot shouldn't of been enough to make her unpickable considering how popular she was right before TI.
>>578594672>>578594813Don't worry about the percentiles yet, Valve has to ban the bots, like they did last year, before these make any sense.
>>578594987>pick Drow>get gangbanged by Undying/Underlord/fifty blinks daggersShe does decent damage but she was always going to be a niche situational pick because of how dangerous it would be to play her.
>>578595106I know, only points matter right now, I think 18000 points will be the 95th threshold from what I'm seeing in my friends list
>>578595156she's just as weak as SF though. with how popular SF was I'm surprised Drow wasn't the fall back when SF wasn't available.
>>578594781>Picking the worst carry this patch >Str hero again LS
>>578595358highest win rate on dotabuff
>>578594987she was popular the couple of tournaments before ti, but nerfs were probably enough to not make her very good anymore.her pub winrate dropped from 51% to 46.5%.team spirit played drow a bunch early ti but lost faith after a few losses.
>>578595461Excellent argument, almost as good as deso jugg
>>578595250Generally the carry picks this TI were like:>LD>SF>NP>TB>Lifestealer>Sven>WRSo half of these would get banned, and then the you'd be playing rock paper scissors with the remaining half. You can see the picks and bans at >>578564875>Banned: SF, LD, NP, FV, TB>Picked: LSIf you want to say Drow might've been better than Jugg, I agree with you for game 5. But overall, she was always going to be a niche pick because there were going to many more stronger options always available.
>>57859546157% winrate in herald, 51% in immortalso actually still not bad winrate in immortal but far from highest. but this doesn't actually count high mmr immortal because valve removed ability to track high immortal games.
>>578595680They pick Drow she gets jumped and dies.
>>578593401https://kick.com/dotafemcircuit
>>578595820I already said that much.
>>578595680there's not really a "generally" here:tb basically only picked by yandex and spirit and only spirit had success with it.88% of all np picks comes from 4 teams (pv, yandex, nigma, spirit)
Valce should just let jug use items during omnislash if they don't want to rework his kit.
>>578596361He can
>>578596361Anon, I...
>>578595721>>578595461>muh winrateIf you want to cite statistics, cite the correct statistics.
>19.5kPls 95%I think I legit had a chance at top 1500 had I not fucked the group stage
so jugg deserve a buff just because butterfly choked on it?
>>578596361They should make it so nullifier dispels lotus orb.
>>578594813wtf? Why are you 87th percentile with more points?
>>578596603Just let him attack during spinning. Actually just let him deflect projectiles back at the enemy with blade fury, how cool would that be.
>>578596603i dont make the rules
Which terrain are you taking.
>>578596937>Actually just let him deflect projectiles back at the enemy with blade fury, how cool would that be.As cool as playing Kez.They could've picked Kez actually. Kez would've been a good choice.
>>578596937>Just let him attack during spinningdoesn't he do that? or did they remove that? or was that just a hon thing...
>>578595950>peruvian dotaof course lmao
>>578595950more like dota2femcircus
>>578596889It technically does. Just needs to be pulsing on the target before they lotus.
>>578597287He attacks but does 0 damage unless you are a building
>>578597287It was a thing with Jugg. But they took it out years ago.
I've been thinking about it and I think they picked Jugg literally just for the magic immunity. Spirit had been playing insanely aggro early game and the only success they found was with LS, so once that was stolen they went for the next thing. Basically just let me have a lane. Collapse (and Miposhka) did win them the game just not in the way everyone thinks.Under that lens Puppey saying thanks for not beating us right away makes a lot of sense, they were genuinely shook.
>>578597389Nah that's dumb. It should be nullifiable after the lotus has been put on someone. It's the only item buff that behaves this way with nullifier.
>>578597531Puppey knew he was outdrafted in every game.
LOL DIDNT WATCH TI>JUST FLIPPED OFF AND AM ONLY QUEUEING SAFE LANE FOR FIRST TIME (ALTHO IM 14K HOURS IN) AND AM 2-0AM TURNED OFF
Juggs Aghs:Omnislash CD removed.Omnislash gains a charge every ~30 seconds, one charge is used for every second of Omnislash. Max 4-5 charges, I guess.Can stop Omnislash at any time, but can't be used again for X seconds.
>>578561708He's a better player mechanically (just watch him micro treants to block camps all over the map for example)Yatoro just has 2 things over him, hero pool and not choking under pressure.
>>578597389???Lotus Orb can't be dispelled.
>>578597546Actually Nullifier is like that with a lot of shit because they nerfed it recently. You can't just nullify tornado anymore, gotta have pre-fired it. Same with Omni's Repel. And a few other things. It's not limited to just Lotus Orb.
>>578597032but i already have all of them......
Let me spin or omni from spin or omniMake it not possible to jump to creeps if heros nearby with aghs.There
>level 20 talent +15% critical damageHe got done dirty.
>>578598059Why does it jump to creeps anyway. If they just changed it so it only jumps to heroes it would fix a lot of the problems with the spell.
how do you play dazzle nowadays? Its been ages since I played it and now he has that ghostform thing, is he even a support anymore? Feels kinda weird playing with the ghostform, like you cant reposition your hero in teamfights you're just this turret thats sorta away but if the enemy zeroes in on you thats it for your ass
>>578598287>get jumped>impossible to get him off you forever for 5-12 seconds>zero ability to outplay except buy a ghost scepter which gets promptly nullifiedBecause it'd be too good and no amount of nerfs or changes would fix that.
>>578598287It would have no counter play in early game
What makes Monkey King a hero that doesn't buy bottle
>>578598447You don't buy bottom if you don't need sustain
>>578598447The lifesteal lets him just stand there and manfight heroes in lane for free. Don't need to drink from bottle if you don't need to give a shit. And tree jump lets him get to a sidelane in seconds so he doesn't have to hold the rune often either. Just grab it and gank ASAP.
Wait, next TI location hasn't been revealed??!!?!
how much crack do you think puppey was on during the finals
>>578598287that could be an interesting level 15 talent option.
>>578598992I would never take it unless they buff other part of his kit
>>578598895Could be that Valve/PGL hasn't managed to secure their #1 option just yet. They probably have backup options obviously (read: China).
hopefully its not in china again
>>578598641is sitting and waiting 3 seconds between jumping over trees really any faster than walking
>>578599274Or, does PGL have rights to TI forever? Maybe Valve is still shopping for the next host.Also, did PGL do well? I wasn't there during the first days so idk if there were any tech issues. I think it's the usual "started late"
>>578598895>>578599274And I think Valve didn't announce any location for TI2025 at TI2024 either. I wouldn't read too much into it.
>>578590330>Pick jugg>against pudge/sf/kunnka/es/sniper>not picking OD or drow or necro >loseNo shit
>muh epic OG power of friendship o algoKEKAROO
>>578599717Its good against SF Sniper
>>578599854If you don't get locked down, which you will, because there's an earth shakerand a pudgeand a kunka
Why werent SD or Earthshaker picked??
>Sniper and Shadow Fiend picked>Buy armor>Its Shadow Fiend mid>So I start the game 175 gold down Literally every single game has some auto lose bullshit that just instantly nullifies the next 50 minutes of my life
when is rtz streaming??
>not watching mason after betting $500 against him>Really /d2g/?
>>578601552>inb4 he doesn't pay off and takes your moneylol
>>578601552I'm not falling for your tricks. You're not getting my money.
Everyone in this thread and who was watching the international knows that Vision worked harder that Game 5. They were the ones that actually pushed the momentum of the game, Spirit won like two team fights and then it was GG.
>everybody focuses on the jugg but ignores that invoker got to 60 mins and took a big steaming turn on the game in the game deciding teamfight.
Would the game improve if in a tournament's series, the winning team's heroes were added to a ban pool for all subsequent matches?>"no"ok well guess we're watching two teams fight for the exact same two carries for 7 games in a row.
Please BUFF JUGG. You need like 8 item slots for him to be on par with a typical late game pos 1. Satanic didn't even want to get Aghs because it's too narrow for Jugg to utilize.
>a player you reported was given an overwatch convictioni cannot remember the last time i even saw one of these. 95% of the people i report are rage-buybacking feeders so why the fuck did it take so long for anything to actually happen? is it really that hard to get nailed for something? seriously
>>578602275> 3 SF, 3 LS, 1 ember, 1 TB, 1 TA, 1 JuggI count 6 in 5 games
>>578602220welcome to late game moba.
>>578596603Make him less reliant on his ult which literally gets countered by several heroes and items. It is also RANDOM. This fucking hero is working with pre 7.00 hero design but just scaled up in numbers.
>>578602275fuck you
>>578602275To be fair, playing the same hero several times in a row is a legitimate way of demonstrating you're good on a hero and didn't just get lucky/carried once. Same reason these elimination matches were best-of-3, best-of-5 instead of just single elimination.
>>578597032im torn between overgrown empire, reef's edge and desert terrain. I don't have any of them
>>578602478>Two of those picked over 50% of the time, the rest considered leftovers>>578602570there there, SF enjoyer.
>>578602463I never do overwatch because I don't want to download replays.
How do you have the conceit to think you know better than Puppey?
>>578602958Pos 1 ember spirit.
>>578597032do i get a map if i got 70%
>>578597032What are these? Are these fucking actual maps that are going to be implemented in dota2 that we'll be able to select pre-game? Fucking cool if so.
>>578602958>How do you have the conceit to think you know better than proplayer?
>>578602275Every team didn't play the same carries throughout the tournament so I don't see why teams shouldn't be able to stick with whatever combinations they find are working for them unless their opponents catch-on to them with bans or counter strategies.But one of the next blast tournaments are going to do exactly what you've described so we'll see how it plays out I guess. Personally I'd rather valve just made a bit more of an effort to balance the heroes instead of half of every patch being focused on the same few heroes and fucking neutral items.
>>578602958Pros are human too and they can make mistakes that even noobs can see.I don't think the Jugg was a bad pick, but the Ember in Game 1 was definitely questionable.
>Omnislash reworked:Juggernaut can now end Omnislash. Based on the duration remaining is refunded some cooldown.>Swiftslash reworked:Now vector targeted. Juggernaut will dash and do a one hit Omnislash to all enemy units towards the targeted point.>Shard reworked:No longer provides bonus healing and health. Increase AoE by 500. Decrease base cooldown to 30 secs.When the healing ward is destroyed, it pulses a weak dispel around it. Allies and Juggernaut himself can now attack the ward.
>>578598440>Juggernaut should have a terrible ult because....
>>578603486ember first pick without banning slack as a cheeky flex was just arrogant.
>>578603245They're map skins that were released in the past during battle passes that have been unavailable for years.
FeelingGoodMan
>>578603409>>578602275Better rule change. The "carry" player in each team must rotate. For example, Yatoro cannot play carry in subsequent matches and must change to support, etc.
Omnislash remakeIf a target disappears (Infest/Disruption) while Omnislash goes on, Juggernaut will follow them into the void and continue to damage them during the duration, only returning when they return
>>578603769kek
>>578603769Just make omnislash target every hero (including allies) no matter where they are on the map.
>>578603872>Juggernaut's Wrath
>>578603769It should pause the game and make the screen black and white while he slashes, then deal damage after the game unpauses.
>>578602263Invoker did his job by winning his lane against a pango and sun striking Axe's calls for pickoffs.
>>578603363Oh my fuck, this webm still gives me nightmares.
>Omnislash is the highest art Juggernaut's people cultivated and is the fruit of their martial discipline and culture>it's just a retard flailing and hitting anything they see with zero careJugg's race deserved their extinction lmao
>>578604085kek
nyes henloi'd like to orderone (1) lina skin where she has the nice looking wyrmrought flare floating animation instead of her usual "I'm an astronaut in the ocean" aimless flailing onethank you
>>578604206Would you like fries with that?
>>578602275>the winning team's heroesI like this more than symmetrical fearless but it does run into the problem of game 1's first picks holding an insane amount of power, look at broken bullshit like ES - if you pick it game 1 you've not only likely secured a win but also fucked the losing team over because they don't get a chance to abuse itDota could use a system like fearless draft but the game is far too counter heavy to port it 1:1>the exact same two carriesI would much rather have SF 3 games in a row than Hoodwink/Mirana in nearly half (49%) the games played across the entire goddamn tournament, the latter is much more obnoxious.
>>578604263no thank you
What if Omnislash prioritize heroes, would that fix it?
>>578604587It would still have the issue of getting fucked up by DS since illusions count as heroes but it wouldn't hurt
Omnislash, but instead of hitting random heroes, all the slashes strike one single hero that the player picks. That's how you fix it.
Removing the random chance and creep targeting for omnislash is bad game design. Doing this is fine >>578603572
>>578604776that's how you break it actually
>Omniknight>can't OmnislashWhat gives? Is it because he has a hammer?
nothing is wrong with omnislash
>>578604956There's nothing wrong with Omnislash the same way there was nothing wrong with Riki's ult just being a passive that grants him Permanent Invisibility.
Omnislash is now a passive that turns Jugg invisible
>>578602275can you fucking kill yourself already
>>578604015This one still gives nightmares to EE
Riki's Tricks of the Trade is a better designed Omnislash by the way.
>get the team that does not take a single proactive measure at any point during the game>meanwhile the enemy team makes every single possible effort to stop me since none of my guys are doing anythingcant they at least try to make it look like this sort of game isnt just a facade put on by the agents
>>578605561why play it then
>>578602263injoker lol
didn't hon manage to make melee agility hard carries work with dark lady? maybe just give us dark lady, FUCK GIVE US A NEW CARRY FFS
jugg just needs a way to stand his ground>drow with the ice cliff stands her ground>sf with feasts of souls stands his ground>tb with meta illusions stands his ground>naix just stands his ground
>>578606113Leeg's Nocturne is based off of Dark Lady
>>578606293
>>578606293some mask of madness type shard
>>578604941He can omnibash
>>578606293>>578606583Shard letting him periodically attack in spin was good and they removed it and surprise he's been shit since.
>>578605596need my agony stimmies
>mason doesn't even have a rank numberGRIM
Hoodwink's aghs is ramazing and it's a travesty that pros don't realize how good it is to double your bushwhacks>>578606705battle fury becomes a self griefing ability past 20 minutes in the game it's so shit now
>>578605042Yes, we're getting closer to making Juggernaut viable, bros.
make butterfly consumeable that grants 100% stats to agility heroes and 33% stats to all other heroes, boom fixed every agility hard carry
One thing I'll say about Vision vs Team Spirit is that Vision did very well exploiting victories and hitting the enemy's base, taking barracks, etc., whilst Team Spirit consistently did very poorly in exploiting victories they got. Spirit always seemed very hesitant to take a barracks or tower whenever they won a teamfight; it was consistently poor throughout the entire finale.
Every year you people say Naix is garbage and every year he ends up raping the main stage, even if he has to wait until the final day to do it
What if Omnislash stunned each enemy it hit for 1-3 seconds? Keep everything the same but add a stun.
Omnislash should expend charges for each hit that you get from doing/taking dmg and a 15 second cooldown
>>578604085>Yurnero hits anyone>even the niggers and the jewsI think it's based and they were exterminated for being too based
>>578607361>Omnislash: looks back at the last 60 seconds and every time the Juggernaut slashed or got hit is calculated, and that's the number of slashes Juggernaut unleashesThis would be good.
Holy fucking aaAAAaaaAAA imagine if Nisha knew what runes were. Going down minute by minute when calculations continue.
Omnislash now summons a meteor and one winged angel plays as ostthere i fixd it
>>578607348None of you should be balancing this game good god
>>578607668that's probably a 99th percentile score, I made 21k points, hope it's 95th+
What if Omnislash gives me a gf?
Omnislash: Jugg becomes untargetable and performs a series of slashes so omni around target allied hero or creep that it invigorates them, granting max HP and ms. Jugg heals during this duration. If it's a creep, the slashes also guide them to the Omniscience, allowing Jugg to control it. Jugg can then end this with a deadly slash that deals damage to all enemies around him.
I think there's one way to fix neutral items: bring back the Side Shop and make it house all of the neutral items.Killing neutrals gives you another currency that can only be used in the side shop. Neutrals will give out more currency exponentially as the game goes on so there can still be tiers wherein tier 5 items will be too expensive to buy even when free farming the jungle for 30mins, so no shenanigans where a griefer can just jungle to get a tier 5 item.
if supports can have dumb upgrades then jugg can too, just make it so that his shard grants him an alternative cast of healing ward that replaces him with an invincible version that also does a slightly slower omnislash on nearby enemies
>>578607782I know the calculations are going on (because it says so) but my friend list has 5 guys with better score than me I'm scared.
God never gave me Dota skill because he hates me
dota 8.00 is coming, they will scale back all the powercreep they added over the last 4 years, but they will do it slowly and they will keep the parts that made the game better
>>578607808They add a third shop where players need to spend real currency for great items. Valve would make more money and would invest that money back into dota2's development/tournaments/TI prize pools, and the players would get interesting new items that changed the game.
>>578608065remember that one patch where everyone was nerfed excet i think veno, those were the good old days
What I love about dota2 and keep coming back to TI is that every single fucking hero is viable. There are over 120 heroes in dota2, and a team can pick any five and win competitive matches.
Every hero is viable except Jugg
Why is Jugg clowned on when Marci lost Vision a game that they could've won?
>>578608672Just easy to point fingers at the game 5. People also seem to ignore that Vision were extremely close to winning that game at times.
Reminder that Team Spirit is an actual academy organization situated in Siberia that trains young boys to play one game for the rest of their young adult lives.
I remember the Mango tree meta and yaWar morphling sneaking into enemy base to eat all their mangos and buying quelling blade to cut it down.
first thing he says when coming back, after commenting on playing with LGD, is that vision got outdrafted during the whole final series, and that lifestealer was the standout hero for some reason.
>>578609087Puppeybros...
>>578562636>Wdym by playing dirty? Like ruining teammate's games?Inciting drama, stream-sniping, picking left to right in immortal draft, leaving no role balance for other team, banning enemy heroes, picking broken heroes, invading at 0 (usually half the team is afk), making the game count whenever someone wants to abandon at 0-0, etc.. "anything for a win"Valid tactics, but gets old fast when your job is playing dota2.
Huh, this cant be right. I thought it did poorly
>>578609197Thats what you would call "toxic" player more than a dirty player. Dirty implies he cheats or fixes matches.
>>578609087Vision got outdrafted sure but they drafted for the soul. The crowd cheers everytime they draft.
>>578609087>19792 pointsIts official, I'm better than Topson.
>>578609087botson needs to focus on his retirement
Vision was clearly the better team they never let a crumb of advantage go to waste and when playing from behind they managed to hold on and go for the late game, meanwhile spirit felt more timid and afraid to transform victories into objectives which is why vision was allowed to come back a couple of games.Then they drafted jugg and it all went to shit
>>578609202It did
>>578609605Nah, Vision's wins in the bo5 were because TS didn't ban Earth Spirit in one game and KotL in another.
Daily Reminderhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPMLUZ9yyM
Mason just ended an almost 11 hours stream to end up gaining only 25 mmr lol
>>578609843nah, spirit won TI because puppey drafted marci last pick (zero impact) and jugg vs naix because he's stuck in the past, it used to be a good jugg matchup but in nudota it is not
>bumped up to 99th OH BABYIt should be 2 boxes for 99th and 3 boxes for top 1500 imo
When I'm back from work in 9 hours I'm gonna play WK in ranked herald, any tips? Should I play him pos1 or pos3?
>>578609087Wait, how the fuck does Topson have 2,000+ viewers? That's like comparable to Fishtank.live?
>>578610470retard
>>578610270those are estimates, my buddy is 99% while having 5k score less than I do in 94%.
>>578610576Sure but my previous estimate was 97% whatever, as long as I get a purple box we're golden and purpleI'm probably not gonna fall five whole percent points
>>578609197How do you know so much about Russian players.. even knowing how to read Russian apparently? Are you Russian? SMO.. Ukraine War.. Putlerist..
>>578610368Pos 5
>carry farms like shit>pushes without telling rest of team>dies like a tard repeatedly>whines about my buildSee you on the avoid list, buddyretard.
>>578610921no that's gay the king is not gay
All the "talent" voicelines are omega cringebut cap's NO NO NO NO WAIT WAIT WAIT made me lolno credit to him though since he's just saying a meme. still funny
>>578611108Its only gay if you lose
did jugger used to be able to attack magic immune targets during spin like how he can attack buildings? i think i remember that.
>>578611110...people paid real money to spam that dogshit in my ear?
give it me straight, do i make it?
>>578611872hope so, I have a similar score
>>578594813percentile finally updated, now we scream STOP THE COUNT! hoping the election doesn't get stolen
>>578597032I've always loved the vibe of Reef's Edge, but the game is wholly not playable at all on that map, and the addition of the flowing streams on the map in a map that is themed to be underwater looks stupid.
>>578597032the only ones I dont have are the overgrown empire and the immortal gardens so I'm taking the gardens ofc
>>578612206>>578597032Seconded, i wanted underwater one but river grating ruins it.
>>578583012Is treant protector actually good.I lose with him all the time and he has 0 impact in the matches I play against him.
>>578608065Considering how hands off valve clearly want to be and instead focus on deadlock and other shit, you'd think they would scale the complexity of dota back purely for their own gain.
>>578611872>>578612024>>578612132I have slightly more points, but I kinda doubt it's actually above 95%.
>>578612730you are overestimating the community
>>578612597its a fucking joke that valve focus is on deadlock when its not a good game the concepts in that game is not fun or actually good running around hitting boxes on the map amongst other things
>>578593645They are probably visiting epstein's island to add an underage character like they did in deadlock by adding graves.
Reminder that these casters made an autochess game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbOgtXA1ntE
>>578613196Shan't be playing your game, Sunsfan
>>578597032Playable maps:Sanctums of the Divine (+ has really nice direction if you like Dire being a teal instead of red colour)Immortal Gardens (has cube trees on it that makes juke spots easier to notice)Desert (probably the simplest looking of these maps, but also a very easy to read to map if you just want to focus on the game.)Unplayable maps:Overgrown Empire (random rainstorms cuck your vision + become visual noise that fucks your game up)The Emerald Abyss (because it's a cave it has obnoxious reverb on all audio effects + random pillars all over the place that the normal map doesn't have + rocks/bismuth crystals replace trees that you might not know are trees/makes juke spots harder to notice)Reef's Edge (river is a lot of visual noise compared to the normal river + trees are replaced with reef and coral that you might not know are actually trees/makes juke spots harder to notice.)Rest of your decision comes down to vibes and whether you play DotA to have fun or to make MMR go up. I fucking love Reef's Edge and Emerald Abyss, but they are not good maps to play on outside of the cool takes on the map they have.
>>578613252It is indeed bizarre.
>>578613196not to shit on the game but it looks like slop
gonna build deso jugg fr ong
my theory is that campo santo can only make heroes that are animals, fascist or death related, we're probably getting a death hero next
>>578613258>Sanctums of the DivineI don't have this one and checked it out in demo and it looks really nice. It was a mistake to check it out because now I want it but I'll probably not get a terrain token.
>>578613610abstract bait
What was the single best play/action of the finale?
>>578613610largo was truly forgettable out of all of them
>>578613924grimstroke was good for like 6 months only with big gaps in between, they can't balance his kit so he's always trash tierI still remember he was literally shadow dropped after a major, it was so great when valve cared about this game
Do you think it would be possible for one of us to get in TI if we all pooled our collective knowledge and trained the best of us in meta-play, etc.? What kind of /d2g/ memes could that person spout during interviews, as he enters/exits the arena, etc.?
>>578613456I just booted it up and there's an actual "No AI was made for this game" type of disclaimer.
>>578614025we're not going to TI on deso jugg
holy fuck that was the greatest ti final i've ever seen
>>578614120game 2 was TI8-tier
>>578613906second game the team fight where sf barely survives goes in again at 10hp and gets double kill
>>578603715
>>578614189Who ever made the call to keep the fight alive instead of peeling deserves the credit there.
>>578614189that was fucking amazing i'm still mad about the jugg memepick because if it hadn't been for that the finals would have been the best bo5 i'd ever watched
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8962185049https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/8962236899lost 2 underlord games today, what could i have done better if somebody wanna criticize
>>578613196I see boobs I upbote, no questions asked.
>>578613258Isnt the overgrown empire weather optional? It has two styles and I presumed thats the difference between the two styles.
TERRAIN TOKEN RANKING:QUADRUPLE S TIER: Immortal GardensAWESOME: SanctumsPRETTY GOOD: DesertMEH: Jungle=== POWER GAP ===BAD: Reef, Cave
it's kinda insane that they need 4 days to count the points, they have the datacenters to do it in a few hours
>>578614346If it does I can't remember. The last time I've thought about that map was 2019BC(before coof)
bc (before cringe)
>>578614120My favorite game was during the playoffs or whatever they're called, some team, maybe Nigma, was down horribly, like 20-30k gold disadvantage, and 30-40 minutes into the game, but somehow they recovered and beat the opposing team after it went to like 70 minutes; it was game 1 I think and they eventually lost and were eliminated, but that game was insane.
>>578614339You need to maintain higher gpm as underlord.
>>578614332What is the best bo5 you've ever watched? For me its Blast Slam IV final with the repeat draft
Why did they ban feeding couriers?I thought Gaben loved that shit, he said that not allowing grieving was a robbery of fun.
the purple hat item is called tyrian's regalia, but who is tyrian?
>>578614725CEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEB
>>578614617gotta get rid of the bots and freeloaders
How did COVID-19 affect Dota 2 competitive play? Other than cancelling TI for that year of course. I only watched 2013, 2017-2018, and 2026. Did it reshape dynamics of the game and Valve's interest in Dota 2? It seems like most corporations/leaders woke up post-COVID and realized we need to focus more on humanity/improving civilization.
>>578614892it literally killed TI, it is now a shadow of it's former past
>>578614779Some ethereal being similar to Bane. I assume he's purple like Bane and that's why the Tyrian items are purple.
>>578614892>It seems like most corporations/leaders woke up post-COVID and realized we need to focus more on humanity/improving civilization.kek
>>578614725Speaking of blast slam next season it's going fearless
>>578614339buy cheetos>gleip
who of you guys hosted this lobby
>>578615150ironic huh
>>578615340that could be any mexican teenager
>not even top 1500its over my dudes
>99th again>only 20kSTOPTHECOUNT
idk how u kids watch topson, he shits ads all the time, I am blocking them but most probably dont
>>578615340Funny how dota was more fun back when it was less white
>>578613906collapse prolapsing over everyone
>>578613906collapse lotus orb
>>578614332? game 5 was close and went down to the wire at 60+ mins. You realize half of spirit had no buybacks in the last fight right? if vision win that fight they win the game
>>578616791>if vision win that fightyeah if yatoro just goes afk
was core io the biggest honeypot of the tourney
>>578617031no, noone is simply a bad player, the worst player in the finals btw, anything they gave him looked bad
>>578615905On Twitch? I'm watching him on Youtube and haven't seen a single ad. Twitch is a piece of shit website in general, stop using it.
>>578614339Probably should have just skipped aghs in the first game and went pipe crimson guard or something since your team was so far behind.
>>578617230didnt knew he streamed on youtube, I barely watch streaming these days
>>578617201Yeah even the Earth Spirit and Sand King games he was playing like a retard going way too aggro.
>>578617364his SK did great what are you on about
>>578617010if bane doesn't sleep him actually
>>578617435it's really hard to fuck up on sk, puppey shouldve gave him only braindead heroes
I wanna get my fucking purple immortal and move on, FUCK, have to wait 4 days
>spent so much time in the client because of fantasy that I feel like playing againthis is how they reel you back in
>>578614368>PRETTY GOOD: Desertbut... everyone got that one for free anyway? why would you take duplicate?
Who was the single worst player in all of TI and didn't deserve to be there?
Cute even if she is wearing more
>>578618389>group stagewho cares there are a billion shitters>main stagenisha and it's hard to argue otherwise, no single player fucked his team over harder at any point even with 33 inting
when i'm supposed to get my international points added to my score?i'm still stuck on percentile 91st with 11750
>>578618408Going in my Hoodwink folder
>>578618151whats wrong with playing doto during TI?i play it on and off since wc3 days, and during events/quattero/seasonal/BP/TI its doto time everytime
>>578618151I haven't played since before TI10 but the urge is starting to swell again
>>578618468Just stop checking every minute and you need to wait 5(?) days before you can claim rewards anyway
>>578618389probably some huligani or og shitteronly from "good" teams? 33, pure, nishit all looked pretty bad from what i remember.
it just happens that TI is always in august and spirit players always peak around this month. now try moving TI to somewhere around december or april, i bet rtz might actually win one.
>>578618439>nishaHe's made over 4 million dollars playing competitive dota2, though.
I just learned that TI happened lmaoWhat the fuck happened to this game
i love the game
>>578618389
>>578618601I wanna play turbo and do the dark carnival thing, maybe get lucky and get an arcana with candies...
>>578618630oh it updated. i'm 21.4ki'm still percentile 91st
>>578618969actually got lucky this time with candyshop and got sky and SF arcanas (and even PA arcana in quattero but it was a dupe)
dukalis saved yatoro by moving the enchanted illusion into sunder range lol
>>578619138>literally who saved literally whoWhere the fuck is solo
>>578619138it was fucked anywayTB just solos entire vision team next fight
>>578618630TI14 ended on the 14th and the rewards were on the 18th so it'll probably be similar this year
>>578619248i can solo your mom and sister
>play favorite main hero i like>lose>play piece of shit hero i don't care about>winmake it fucking stop hitler
>>578619379good, they need some action
Marci won as well
>>578591343probably not
Real shitter of TI is observer he missed half of the good stuff happening
>>578619909shit games shit teams shit draft shit hero variety shit venue shit viewership shit obs shit patch終わりだ
>>578619909isn't that ai?
>>578620106no? why the fuck would it be
>>578619138i doubt he knew that TB can sunder illusions. thats pretty bullshit
>>578620610>pro player playing in grand finals of TI didn't know that TB can do this thing that he was able to do since release, that the pro TB players regularly do, and that had an entire facet oriented around it when facets were a thing
>>578620610everyone knows tb can sunder illusions.but tb was oom and just gained enough mana to cast it, so that's at least a real excuse.
>>578620610he could sunder illusions since release lmao bruh
>>578620818pretty sure yatoro swapped to int treads at that point
>common items people buy at the beginning of each game are tree branches for a few extra stats and healing items that suck up gold>don't just invest their starting gold into an item that will always stay with them, such as bootsWhy. It's more logical to spend your money building for a future build than seek short-term benefit.
When do the games start….
>>578621027even better, save that gold to buy sacred relic faster!
Well bros, it's another conclusion to TI. That means it's time to watch every single OG match of TI8 and TI9 again. Usually takes a few days to get through all the games, but it's an annual tradition and has been for years.
>it's time to watch every single OG match of TI8 and TI9 again
>>578621337Based.
how hard are ceb and notail malding now? yatoro and collapse have 3 rings
>"carry" role>"carries" the team to victory>extremely team-dependent, can't win shit if team sucksepically designed game
>>578619138That was way too late after TB lived.The biggest possible turning point was when Dukalis accidentally attacked NP once while TB was like 100 HP and then turned around to attack TB again. That moment right there was a potential turning point but the casters at the time went back to look at TB's HP bar and turned out he was tread switching like crazy and that gave him enough HP to survive more than one auto attack from Ench+Slardar so it didn't matter in the end.I didn't even realise he was tread switching because his HP bar was barely moving since he had like 3k HP by then. But he was mashing that mofo.
Anyone know how long it takes for the True Sight documentary to be released following TI finale? The TS doc for this year is going to be fucking amazing.
>>578620815>>578620846>the game hasnt changed at all since releasenext you'll tell me that dota is still a source 1 game
>>578621831Do the very top level players really obsess that much over such a trivial detail?
>>578621874just admit you made a retarded assumption
>>578618389>Who was the single worst player in all of TI and didn't deserve to be there?Picrel is the only correct answer. Yandex had the worst carry.
>so I know that TB can sunder his own illusions>but perhaps they removed it? I better move this illusion closer to him to make sure
>>578621831>The biggest possible turning point was when Dukalis accidentally attacked NP once while TB was like 100 HP and then turned around to attack TB again.that's so retarded i didn't even noticecan't be accidental, he must've thought the last one was enough together with a slardar hit
>>578621964The higher APM players do.And the tread switching was definitely a part of what helped TB live through that shit there.
>>578621964put your treads on scroll wheel bro
>>578622092yeah watching watson play and watching yatoro or satanic play you can just tell watson will forever be a pubstar and doesn't have the GENE
>>578622197Huh, well, if I were him I'd spend more energy on analyzing the playing-field than APM. It would make him a better player.
TOPSON IS STREAMING AGAIN!
>>578622290Who's "him"? Yatoro?
>>578622310TOPSONTOPSONTOPSON
sunder can no longer target illusionssunder cast point increased to 1 secondboom
>>578622378they should just make naga and cancer lancer illusions unique so these bullshit rulesets dont apply to illusion runes or mantas
>>578622185>that's so retarded i didn't even noticeMost people didn't. The casters didn't too. And I don't remember anybody else mentioning it in thread when it happened. But I jumped out of my chair screaming DUKALIS YOU FUCKED UP when it happened. The casters were checking TB's HP bar so they can continue to talk about how close it was but the tread switching made it clear it wasn't so they were disappointed. I was in the middle of typing a post too so I deleted it when I saw that it didn't matter in the end.>he must've thought the last one was enough together with a slardar hitYeah. That or he just had supportbrain on autopilot and attacked NP to try and get some aggro off of Slardar or something. I didn't go over the replay so I don't know if he intentionally clicked on NP or if he was just attack moving towards TB and the game switched targets on him when NP got close so that's a possibility too.
>>578622643satanic throwing the most important match with that jugg pick was way worse than anything dukalis did or didnt do
>>578622795>satanicIt was Puppey.Puppey was in charge of the draft. Puppey was the one who fucked it.
>>578622887if you talk about puppey that way you'll get lynched by the thread
At what MMR do I get to stop begging my carries to take Roshan before going to poke an enemy tier2 for a fifth of its HP?
https://youtu.be/xt7xV25icPo?si=y4Hc6PUIlDnFWwTq&t=3549lmao>2 evasions when slardar and enchantress hit at same time>enchantress switches attack targets>fires 1 more impetus at TB>evasion procs again>fires 1 more impetus>sunder and impetus both on same frame
>>578623019it'll never happen
>>578622974we've been talking about poopey like that for 2 days tho
>>578623117everyone thats done that has already been lynched desu
>>578622795>most important matchIt didn't have to be the most important match.If they didn't grief themselves picking fucking Ember pos 1 in game 1, they could've started drafting properly 1 game earlier so they would've ended up with the Jugg game draft on game 4 so they could've had another game after that one. Puppey fucked it up like 30 times along the way.>>578622974Even the Puppey lovers know how much Puppey fucks up drafts on a regular basis. It's not Puppey if he doesn't fuck up the draft at least half the time.
>haven't played dota in 7 days>get post TI motivation>queue up>pic related: my Pos4&5>question my sanity and why I decided to come back in the first placeNah this ain't worth it. Watching tournaments is kino but playing this shit it debilitating.
wasn't a complete meme pick, they have won with jugg before
>>578623375>when it isn't an stomp he cant carryyep yep
>>578623019I have no qualms doing Roshan.But early game Roshes take too long and chipping that T2 for its HP is more valuable so we can take outpost sooner and better map control, and if you can't even take the T2 as it is, then you are probably not in a position to be able to take Rosh in the first place.Also I get people pinging and begging for Roshan all the time but they're never anywhere near it. I would do things like hang around nearby, ping "we need sentries here", etc. but nobody bothers to do that shit when I'm playing core. So I just don't bother because I'm not fucking myself over (and also the team since we'll probably wipe) doing Roshan with zero setup/prep/ability to handle the enemy coming at us within 10 seconds of starting.
>>578623569>winning an 68 min game is a stomp
>>578623887It was against BB, so yeah, it was a stomp.
>>578624035doubling down on retardation is bold even for you
>>578623887When you are stomping you choose when to win unless the enemies forfeit.
>>578606808why do you think he's doing a bet of mmr increase? he tanked his rating to get extra money
>>578624060I'm not the other Anon. You're just that wrong. Not just in thinking that BB ever had a chance, but also because you seem to be equating game length with whether or not a game is a stomp.
>>578624081and not finishing the game for over an hour is an admission you are not stomping
>>578624215thinking that game length and stomping are unrelated is dumb
Meh, still not as good as TI8
>>578624423I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. I said they weren't the same thing. There is overlap but are clearly cases where they aren't the same. lrn2read
>>578624561then accept that game length was a factor in this non-stomp instead of ignoring it cause it does agree with the narrative
>>578624459Every TI past 10 has been absolute dogshit and even TI10 was rather disappointing
Why are Pipe and Crozier so taboo in pro games? Yeah ok the offlaner needs to rush dominator and shiva and apply pressure. But in a lot of these hyperaggressive attemps they die due to magic damage and sustain from the enemy.
>Game is dead and dying in regions it was once big>Player base getting old and moving on with life>Pro scene is now just russkies + assorted slavs + a few holdouts from China>Internet cafe and LAN culture dead>RTS and MMOs, from which DotA was born, going the way of the dodo>Modern releases suck balls and are aimed at ADHD riddled zoomers and tranniesDotA is going to die sooner or later. It will be kept on life support for many years to come but will be unplayable much sooner. There will never be anything like it again.I'm feeling sad, bros
>>578624784Crozier was in half the games idr pipe
>>578624784>pipe nerfed shitheap that blocks like 1 spell>crozierwhat the fuck are you talking about they buy this shit all the time
>>578624832>>578624784Reminder that crozier is not a real word in International English. It's Angloid racism.
Whos the GOAT?
Do you guys think jugger will get buffs after losing the grand finals match point
>>578624697I bet you struggled a lot with basic logic in your math and philosophy classes.
>>578625029collapse
>>578624820>One day you'll be relegated to playing pickup matches organized through discord where the person with the least shit internet hosts like it's Dota 1I'll just Sudoku
>>578625142you really want to make this about me because im right an you hate admitting you're wrong
>>578624820Personally I'd rather it died earlier than see what it has become.Sure there won't be anything like it but that's just how it is. Many cool and unique games die and nothing makes up for it, Dota lasted longer because it was bigger but that's how things go.
>>578624820To me it's just incredible it's been going on so long2012 feels like it was only yesterday, still
>>578625378>>578625378>>578625378
>>578621381That's exactly what I will be doing until the next event.
