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>>578908616>>578908616>>578908616Pic rel.Also I still love my latest gameplay.https://files.catbox.moe/ey7wg4.mp4
Random youtube comment>I think that AI simply has no place in next fest period. Next fest is for small indie studios to get a chance to be seen. Now AI simply buries all those indie studios by sheer volume.When i went to check out what demos are there i was excited, cause i love indie studios, they come up with some of the coolest shit. But when i saw all that ai slop, i just said nope and left.This situation is more grim than I realized. I thought they were tweaking next fest to improve this after previous next fests being overwhelmed with slop.
>>578915203Anti-AI autist are a hyper vocal minority, comments mean nothing.Reality of the situation is AI is fine but just have a standard for the game itself, if a game is good the process to get there is irrelevant
Some of you guys are going to have to get over your pre-conceived notions of AI. Yes using it is a skill, and it is a force multiplier. If you suck then it won't help much.
...I got filtered by the steam page descriptionWriting descriptively about my own game has got to be my biggest weakness, I'm more of a show not tell guyCan I get away with a few gifs and brief blurbs?
>>578915461Have you seen the /v/ threads when next fest is up? They play every single game. And they are constantly commenting on how much slop there is. It's not even about being "anti-AI". You're literally drowning people with slop. Unplayable trash. >not me though I use AI correctlyStop getting offended when other people mention slop then? Calling everyone "anti-AI" for having an ounce of taste just proves you are part of the problem. And you can't be reasoned with.
I've added a double tap forward/backwards to dash. Its worked out well as it gives the cpu player a chance to maneuver around the arena better and make some distance to their opponents.
>>578915693There are a few successful games with one sentence description and the main page is maybe 2 paragraphs yeah.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ptfgxmj21yII think I have developed my own game music style, chuds.
>>578913898He cute got any more art so I can fujo the fuck out
>>578915832don't know what your retarded post is about but you are never going to stop slop it is ever growingmore soulless normgroids devving = more slop
>>578916630Soulless.Now THIS was SOVLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyaVUYGLzIo
>>578917008>don't know what your retarded post is aboutAsk ChatGPT to explain it to you little buddy.
>>578916630kinda kino ngl
The internet: Please stop destroying our game festivals with AI slop. Please. Sloppers: No. You are anti-AI autist. I make dis. Gib money me now.
>>578917730people had these same discussions with greenlight and steam direct its nothing new
>>578915832>I dont care about AI I just care its slopSo why bring up AI at all? just hate on the slop if that's the point of contention
>>578917807People were offended at zero effort games back then, but there wasn't so many of them so as to actually bury decent games on the new releases section or something.Nextfest was supposed to be a way for decent games to get noticed outside of the scramble on new release. It has been destroyed by slop.>Indie dev here. We agree with you. A year ago we entered Next Fest with our first game. We only had 400 wishlist and doubled that leaving next fest. This time around we entered with 2400 wishlist and we only got 100 wishlist during next fest. With how fast ppl can get games out using AI now the market is just getting flooded with games even if they are not slop, its just that ppl can get games out a lot faster using AI now.
>>578918085Sorry anon didn't mean to offend you by saying the name of a tool in the game development thread.
>>578918710Not offended, curious, if AI itself isn't the issue whats the point of bringing it up? AI isn't going anywhere, it's pointless to moan about, instead push for the bar/standard to be allowed into the fest to be raised, that's a realistic goal with a more effective outcome.
>>578915203>small indie studioAhh yes "small" indie studio. Kek! I wonder if they even play games or as just one of the redd*tors butthurt about AI.
>>578918897>if AI itself isn't the issue whats the point of bringing it up?Because it is the tool producing the slop. People aren't creating slop themselves by hand, in some lovingly crafted way. It's AI slop. I love to see sloppers suddenly being so touchy that we even name what you're doing. You know the bubble is popped. You know what you're doing is pathetic and that everyone sees it as trash, and you can't handle it. That's a you problem.
>>578919302>AI isnt the problem...well okay it is because it's AI
>>578919412See, you can't be reasoned with. You deliberately destroy any attempt at honest communication.Your kind is a blight. The internet is tossing you out. Love to see it. It's about time.
>>578915832>You're literally drowning people with slop.>this one anon on an obscure hatsune miku appreciation forum is the cause of thousands of games appearing on SteamKek. Anon shift the blame to all the gamedev youtubers promoting gamedev as some sort of lifestyle that is easy and lets you make montages of having a fun no gamedev life along with no job. Some random anon using it to help him with code is unlikely to be an actual slop maker. In fact the gamedevs you probably have mocked in the past, "friendslop makers" aren't even slop by the average /v/ user. It's the clearly obvious slop they're complaining about, probably even the low effort/low skill non-slop stuff. Nonetheless combined with the youtube thing, AI has only given a lot more people the idea they too can gamedev. I really need to succeed before it's too late.
>>578919302>I'm mad and here's why that means you lost
>>578919048>Kek!>le redditors>they are anti-AI>small indie game studios? that's a laff KEKGrim af
>>578918501I mean, jeets are a thing. We probably have not even seen the tip of the iceberg yet.
>>578919609You lost. I'm happy. I thought after all these years AI would have ended up differently, instead you turned the entire world against you and are still trying to force feed everyone slop lmaoPlease keep going. We all know though, you don't even have a game. You get personally invested in this topic because you believe AI will save you from being a nodev. It won't.
>>578919302>You know the bubble is poppedkeek 2 more weeks
>>578920072
>>578919598>It's the clearly obvious slop they're complaining aboutWas that not obvious? You're getting into a tizzy about nothing. Why? Because you feel embarrassed to be a slopper. You guys pick arguments about nothing because you want to defend yourself for using AI. It's so embarrassing.
>>578920072AI is just now starting to get good my guy.
>>578920132You're literally the only people hanging on lolThe entire world is laughing at you.
>>578920970>The entire world is laughing at you.FUCKI did not realize its that bad. I'll stop.
Guys analyze this flop from the previous thread:https://store.steampowered.com/app/3358240/Little_Guardians_The_Last_Hope/
I dont think anyone on the industry has ever realized that I'm basically finished with my gamedev 21 years of training.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ptfgxmj21yIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oT6a1bz28Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8ySexnqxsghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA32pMh7rVchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Eo9cX0yaBw&t=126s
>>578921070No appeal.There I said it.
>>578921031No you won't, you'll just continue to hide in here and in the vibecode general in /g/. Whenever you stick your neck out anywhere else except maybe also twitter you get a harsh reality check and have to accuse everyone of being transexual redditors to cope.
>>578915630We know. That's why you sloppers still haven't made a single game here after 3 years of spamming us about how AI is going to replace us.Please by all means, keep lecturing us with your zero games ever made.
>>578921602to be fair there are a lot of transexual redditors among us
Universal Basic Arisu
>>578921226Oh the industry knows cris. And they are scared of your power level. Now combined with AI? It's too much power for the industry to handle.
>>578913898the only game posted so far btw
>>578913898um. where is the grizzled staff sergeant. 1?
>>578922540/agdg/ is reclining...
>>578922540I can't follow that up
>>578921070an entire minute before showing any gameplay. AN ENTIRE FUCKING MINUTE! in the only trailer on the page.
>>578920132Not only is the bubble popped, it never existed. https://youtu.be/68X8yEatepQ?t=23Nobody ever liked AI. It has been called slop for the past 2+ years now.It was never profitable. There is no bubble to pop, that's just a familiar term we are using to describe this mess.You have still not made a game with AI. All of these things are true.
Hmm this youtuber might be right and this asset purchase is just what my game needs...
Aaaaaaaaa so much work now. It feels like a lot of stuff is suddenly needed.>work on System A>need to work on System B so System A can...>need to work on System C so System B can...>need to work on System D so System A can...>need to work on new System E so System B no longer relies on a manual activation...Etc.Before any of you say it's too interdependent. This is a lot of stuff where I did shortcuts like>key press activates this (instead of automatic handling)>this system updates certain data to circumvent needing a dedicated script for itStuff like that. What is this? Is my games code side of things actually reaching the end goal? So much stuff just being polished up and automated so it works as intended yet it's requiring me to jump around a lot. On and off work today, estimated at about 4 hours, in the last 7 hours. It's nice that the game is coming along but this is quite frustrating levels of work. I don't even have the finalized art in the game, I went in with the mindset of just setting up the entirety of the code with placeholder art in place. All so I didn't get trapped into art rework after rework (plus I had no idea what style I wanted, which I now do).
>>578923875I think it's always like that in games and you just get used to it. I forgot what it's like to work on simple applications anymore. The mental map I have of my game systems is extremely complex. It makes you admire your own brain.
>>578913898just playing around and wanted to try something.
>>578915693check this out. no words, only gifs. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1456880/ElecHead/
>>578921070It was going to flop anyway, but the reason it has zero reviews is because the devs shadow dropped it. There might be some kind of sad story behind that, and someone just needed to have closure by clicking the publish button.
>>578924875Shouldn't you just be able to shadow drop a game and let it organically gain wishlists thanks to discovery queue + new releases + steam algorithm?
>>578924875>investigating flopmy jaw dropped and I audibly gasped
>>578925380probably a Euro team that got a huge grant, a grant so valuable it didn't matter if the game failed.
>>578925370At first I assume a question like this is sarcastic but then I have to remember not everyone is aware of the "steam meta", where the answer is no. You don't get wishlists or sales just from launching anymore, it hasn't been like that for almost 10 years.
Seems like a good time to ask but is there some guide for building up hype for a release? Making a twitter or tiktok to talk about your game doesnt seem all that effective
>The tax information for your organization has been verified.
>try to buy street adderall>it’s pressed meth>makes me decide to build a game engineSee you in a few years
>>578926640You need to let a publisher fuck your ass and take 50% of your profits.
>>578926785what if we gave meth to claude
Have any devs from these threads made it? Usually the /ic/ threads have a few successful artists so I assume there should be some successful developers here. Obviously doesn't have to be Undertale-tier.
>>578926640Spam every platform with an in game cutscene of gay bear sex.>but my game doesn’t have gay bear sexDo you want to be a winner or not?
>>578926704gabencunt is gonna let kana publish his lolislop...
>>578926950https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/
>>578926950parasocial
>>578926908I tried and he used my phone to call the police
>>578926640https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JR8fsg6Tt_cvGHtcqb0rtdU84bbzNq7vYL_knvGCFJg/edit?tab=t.thm966r07vpz
>>578926908unironically that is what prompt injection is
>>578924828interesding
>>578927050Thanks, I didn't know Poke All Toads came from here. It's really good, especially as someone who usually hates puzzle games. The Nun Gun game looks cool too.
>>578926950I haven't "made it" on my own but I've worked on big games before if that counts.
>>578928219spill the beans
>>578927050>guns and nuns made more than necrovale- va-11 was dethroned by yomiinteresting developments
>>578928595>>guns and nuns made more than necrovalenecro is 14.99, nuns is 9.99. necro still made more
>>578923065low morals /agdg/...
Tomorrow I will study mythologies from around the world, so I can write good shit.
>>578929052Do you mean *actually* from around the world, or only European and maybe Japanese or Chinese stuff?
hmm stay a whodev or post my game and go into the agdg hall of ... records .... and fame if I succeed enough>>578928595>va-11 was dethroned by yomi>interesting developmentsin review count only, in term of money made? lol
>>578929205the good stuff yeah
>>578928789>>578929341>in review count only, in term of money made? loldon't publishers also get a cut? nun game was self publishes
>>578929052Just code a fun gameplay and make pretty textures and models, then think about mythology later to fit both.
>>578929705oh right. i didn't check necro had a publisher. guns likely made more then.
>>578929052>arthurian knights can be summoned by the chiculas to defeat the evil forces of the archons
>>578929705Guns and Nuns also took a fraction of the time to make.
>>578929341join the wall of shame
>>578930186>ATENA!
>>578929705>don't publishers also get a cut?oh yeah. nun-dev made so much more than our fren wasteland bites dev. i still wonder why he went with that publisher. if he didn't get a big payout (funding) like tower of kalemonvo dev got, then it was a terrible idea.
amatuers shouldn't be rewarded with viral hits. it crushes your spirit when your follow up gets nothing. you just chase that high and it never comes, until you inevitability turn to hard drugs.
>>578930556>game gets 2000 reviews>game is $24.99>over $1m before taxesThat'd be nice. Even if my next game flops I don't need to work.
Miss a target, and your arrow will now appear stuck in the wall behind.Might add some sort of "death" animation for the targets. Right now, a sound effect plays, but they just disappear when you shoot them.
So tempting...Maybe I should do it tomorrow...
>>578930243i'm surprised how fast development suddenly went, or at least it felt that way. felt like he was just working on 1 area for quite some time and then suddenly he's making a bunch of levels fast.
>>578930890first time indie with $25 game? that's outrageous! that's almost as much as an unsigned a3 nickleback poster.
>worried about needing to rewrite my combat system to support multithreading and procrastinated for a couple days on it>it's just 300 lines>I got it done in a couple hours>was only two commitsI'm bringing my on the job laziness home with me.
>>578932417>multithreadinghow hard was that?
>7 miserable sprites took me my whole free day>now I have only 1 hour of dev time for the next 6 daysFUCKHow did HE manage to do it?
>>578929052Just fall asleep to mythology YouTubers for six months
>>578885701>>578887802You gotta be genuine 50 IQ to want a game that plays itself. I can understand the argument for auto-battlers when you make decisions between each battle but I don't think that's what you meant. A game where you can just turn on auto-play has gotta be the worst thing invented in gaming. It is something mobile shitters love and they have brain damage.>>578888167>hear there's a new MMORPG coming>platforms: Android, iOS, PC (sometimes)>check the gameplay>auto-play trashEvery fucking time.>>578893379>maybe i should switch my question from "what does the world need that doesnt exist yet?" to "what does the world need more from".>but what does "more" mean?There are genres that aren't getting the love they deserve. With how the meta changes some things fall out of favor and get "forgotten" by developers. A good example would be co-op games that aren't>open world craft build survival>zombie survival>diablolike>monster hunter>friendslop>rogueliteThere's a lot of those but there's very few other types of co-op games. One more specific niche in there is the lobby-based co-op action RPG. There's diablolikes and Monster Hunter but there's almost no other options. What if you don't want MH or a diablolike. What if you wanted something more like Dragon Nest or Phantasy Star Online. Everything that's sorta like that is a roguelite. If you don't want to play a roguelite well you're basically forced to go play those old games because there are no new games like that.Now I'm not saying you should make a game like that. I'm saying that you should be looking for underserved niches like that and find something that is a good fit for you to be making.
>>578918501>>578919896This is why the Steam Direct fee needs to be raised. Make it unsustainable for sloppers to spam their slop on Steam. 100 is too low with how easy AI has made it to make total shit tier games that don't belong on Steam.
>>578933974Or they could take some of their massive fucking cut to apply some actual standards.
>>578934098How would they apply standards? Once again let random Steam employees decide if your game is allowed on Steam or not like in the Greenlight days? Raising the fee instantly cuts out the sloppers because they can't afford to do 12 slops a year if the fee is $1000. They will be forced to put more effort into their games if they want their money back. And anyone with a good game can put together 1k to pay the fee and easily recoup it with sales afterwards. How is that not the perfect solution to the problem.
>>578918085i look like this and say this
>>578920160>eceleb roastie poster >is an AI nodev lmao
>>578932624This hard. Thankfully, I've decided I wanted to do this early in the project so it's not a major refactor.This is just the setup for a lot of the complications I want to add.Combat is turn-based but I don't want combat actions to block the UI and I want to be able to have items and status effects that trigger off of some actions. Effects like "when you attack, take 3 damage back". End goal is to break down every action a player or the enemy could take in a turn into an entry in this queue.
>>578934680NOOOTICING
>>578934393Yes. Or if you hate that so much, make it either have an approval process or be $10k.
How do I become Japanpilled?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPiRApONQxU
>>578935065No reason to do that when 1k solves the problem.
>>578935271People can barely make games that appeal to their own culture. Just make what appeals to you instead of chasing an audience.
>>578924661great sprite - well outside the limitations since every 8x8 tile can only have black and one color, but I do dig your style there
>>578934680I am a dev! I've made several RPG maker games and I'm currently working in Godot on a open world RPG, you'll see!
>>578931016just have the targets shake and fall
>>578936272>I am a devyou can say that but that doesn't mean it's true
>>578929052that stuff won't help youan interesting setting and characters will only take you so farstorytelling is a practical technology that is used to encourage the development and life of the listeners to stories you need an underlying value and ethos behind your mythoswithout it there is no praxis and your story dies
>>578935271make a game ridiculously difficulthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_cl9Ye23Aw
>>578935794Fine, $1k or free with a review.
>>578936354>You are not a devYou can say that but that doesn't mean its true
>>578923103whats so great about it?
>>5789343931k is a week of work at a day job in the first world
>>578936852yo mamma
>>578937172That would mean you get paid 4k a month which is not even close to true for most people. Either way I fail to see how that has to do with what I said. Let's say sloppers make 4k a month. Do you think those sloppers would spend a quarter of their paycheck every month to put slop on Steam. Maybe a couple times but after those didn't pay it back? Probably not. Then there's the fact that most sloppers are turdies who aren't making anywhere close to 4k and simply could not afford to do it.
>>578937172>first world
>>578913668>>578922540FINE! It's still in a proggy in progress, but I'm improving how objects keep track with with the car, reworking the car's feel, and adding drifting mechanics. It's not there yet, but I'm starting to feel itBonus with audio: https://files.catbox.moe/7zab6b.webm
>>578937217no really what's that game doing right
now that AI coding is a thing do I still need to learn programming to make games?I've always been just an artist, and working with programmers is expensive and confusing. Like, I can check art with my eyes, I can check the music by listening to it. Idk how to review someone else's programming that they sent in or how to fix it if it's buggy...
What if instead of Steam Direct or Greenlight we had Steam Kickstart. Similar to Greenlight, Steam users can vote but they vote with their wallet. The developers set the release price for the game and a game needs to reach 1000 pre-orders from users to get onto Steam. Those users then get the game on launch and the game has to release at that same price and the developers are guaranteed 1000 sales on day 1. Maybe you could even give the voters a 20% discount or something.
>>578937958aura and kino presentation
>>578938037depends on the genre.
>>578938041would spawn services that send pajeets to pre-order your game
>>578938391>preorders are non-refundableUnironically this could work
>>578932417who is this? anime?
>>578923875And more work done. Preliminary tests are complete. Ohohohoho today was a lot of progress.
>>578938037I had the displeasure of watching a dumb zoomer try to prompt, and it was awful. His requests didn't really make sense because he doesn't really know how computers work, and the AI just gave him some bullshit that did something, but not what he wanted it to do, and he was unable to express to the LLM what he really wanted. Programming is moreso of a way of thinking. Programming using AI is still programming. Learning how to get the AI to make the things you want really isn't much easier than learning how to program yourself. It's basically the same thing. One you're programming using a programming language and the other, you're programming using English.
Is the market for 3d game commissions going to die? or it will remain, but largely for higher tier, funded games?What's the most slop resistant outsourcing job? shaders?since ai can't tune feel, it can only add features you know about.
>>578939319Himegami Kodama
>>578939560Shaders (pure text) are far easier to prompt than 3d models (binary data), which still can't be consistently generated at production quality.
>be me>just like making game>for money hehe>the finish line looks impossibly far away>one day it's simply there, just a little more and I'm done>finally post it on steam, signed up for October Next Fest>not even 2 weeks since it went up>0 advertising>29k wishlistsErm frens what happened? It can't be simps, I don't have any social media with pics of me and my game.>>578923065It's crazy how I almost look like this irl and how I recline all the time too!t. Well endowed upstairs skinny 18 23 ackshually kek yr old orange haired Kita styled hair femoid biofem with glasses
now that AI art is a thing do I still need to learn blender to make games?I've always been just a coder, and working with artists is expensive and confusing.Like, I can check code with my eyes, I can check the program by running it. Idk how to review someone else's picture that they sent in or how to fix it if it's ugly...
>>578940001common shaders, sure. but once you have something specific and unique in mind I doubt you'll achieve it without telling ai how to do it step by step, at that moment you already know how to do it yourself.
>>578940127
>>578940430depends on the genre.
>>578940127pics or it didn't happen
>>578940127sounds fake. but you are attention seeking, so maybe your game was designed with that at the forefront
>>578941140It's crazy how I almost look like this irl and how I raise my eyebrows at posts all the time too!t. Well endowed downstairs skinny 18 38 ackshually kek yr old blond haired kitten styled hair manoid bioman with glasses
>>578938998it does work. kickstarter.
>>578940127>larping
>>578938391>>578938998it could still run into the issue similar to next fest that it's impossible to find anything that is not slop because the ratio for real games to slop is like 1:500
>>578942051new idea. steam curator curators.
>>578940127>it's crazy how I almost look like this and recline all the timeYou look like a cartoon child?
>>578942460no I look like the chair.
>>578939560Most indies don't have money to commission art. Advancements in AI might make some that would have, not commission but imo it's not there yet.>What's the most slop resistant outsourcing job? High quality 2d art, especially if specialized in marketing materials and capable of different styles. Capsule art for example. Character design is also highly desirable because AI makes shit tier designs. As is scene composition skill.>shaders?I don't know that anyone outsources shaders. Do they? I feel like if they do they buy an asset.
>>578940127>>be me>>just like making game>t. femoid biofemOne of these is a lie. Or both. More likely both.Post tits or GTFO. Or maybe in current year it should be post vagina or GTFO.
>>578942535post upholstery
>>578940430you always had the option to make games using art by other people but you never did so why would it change now with AI
>>578942614>AI makes shit tier designsEveryone loves Deadlock's new (AI designed) characters thougheverbeit
>>578943413which one is ai designed? are you refering to an interview from 2023 when some guy used garbled midjourney shift for exploration?
>>578943413There's people willing to eat shit because Valve is feeding it to them.
Eh, Good enough.
Any reason to use Godot over Unity besides the price/cost stuff?I already make Unity assets for VRChat and Beat Saber but I've literally never done like a game or anything from scratch
>>578945618>Any reason to use Godot over Unity besides the price/cost stuff?The main advantage is being FOSS if you care about that.
>>578926704
>>578945618They're roughly the same. The biggest advantage Unity has is just the asset store. If you plan to buy and use lots of assets, definitely go for Unity. Generally, experienced software engineers enjoy Godot far more, since it better follows popular software conventions, whereas Unity is more "enterprise" meaning it's its own thing that organizations are expected the specifically train for.
>>578945618>Literally can't get robbed by licensing bullshit a-la that Unity snafu>Up and comer if you want to try getting in on the ground floor of what may be a new popular engine for indies>Can modify the engine yourself if you find bugs or want features it doesn't have (this is way above your paygrade)>Really good docs for learning>>578946071>Unity is more "enterprise" meaning it's its own thing that organizations are expected the specifically train for.Can confirm. Ditched a job a few years ago that was using Unity for contract work with the US military. They were trying to poach people in the government doing similar simulation work with Unity. But were hemorrhaging people because they weren't paying enough
>>578945201kanna...
>>578945618>Any reason to use GodotNone whatsoever.
How can I get better at gamedev when I'm waging? I don't have access to any programs, YouTube or anything with sound so I don't know what to do that would truly help me. There isn't much free time after work, so I really have to use this time to do something useful.Are there any especially insightful text tutorials/articles/manuals or anything like that?Maybe one of those 3D modelling programs that work in your browser?What would you guys recommend?
Ok, chuds, how do I combine 1bitdragon with LMMS.Been thinking of using 1bitdragon to input the notes, and export as audio clips.And then use LMMS as my mastering/mixing/automation tool.Meanwhile I use 1bitdragon as my pianoroll and instrument tool.
>>578947039Godot runs in the browser. https://editor.godotengine.org/
Are there any AIs good enough in coding that you can run locally? I don't want to be reliant on some cloud service.
>>578947498qwen 3.5bgotta be a programmer to use it. and to only give it easy stuff you just wanna save time doing
unity or s&box?i finally got an idea for a game
>>578937894cat
>>578934393Riasing the fee would work but I think it would reduce how much Valve makes in easy money.>>578941668Erm bro you're a lion....how do you post on aggy daggy with such big fingers? Do you swish out your claws for extra precision typing?
>>578940127>with glassesI knew it was too good to be true
>>578922540We don't want anyone to copy out masterpieces.
I dont want to post too many progress updates cause it feels attention whorey...gotta pace it
>>578922540I'm still in the pre-development phase
The dopamine from seeing the notification number go up after posting progress on Twitter is frying me.
>>578948370terrible attempt at shilling Garry. your engine failed, we know you're seething about Roblox. the audacity to be this entitled especially when you cloned JBMod. go and keep paying those losers who are just using your mod solely for you to bankroll them
>>578930545the big difference i think is that tok got in during the time publishers were actively looking for gamesi got multiple pub offers from various people and the deals were all crazy good, despite the game (at the time) being so-soi got a very good publishing deal. compared to this year, where i wanted to help some friends to get their games published, the offers they got would be a fraction of what i got despite them having more appealing games. times are changin'
>>578945201her troubles are over now. try to not be jealous.
>>578950061I don't have that problem because my number doesn't go up
>>578950289you kalemonvo dev? how much did you get upfront and did you have to pay it back at all or suffer a higher recoup few on game sales? iirc wasteland bites dev got none of that just "marketing" which i could've done a better job at and why i may go publisher once wealthy enough because damn, way too many people are completely disillusioned and think they need a publisher even when they have obvious gmi games, though a lot of publishers also suck at picking gmi games
>>578950061kanna...
>>578947337Didn't know that, that's pretty cool, though I'm using Unity so it wouldn't help me too much. I guess I'll look for some browser modelling program that has something similar to geometry nodes or something.
>>578935271Gaymers have been successfully reprogrammed to pay money for Newgrounds-tier games.This is a big win for solodevs.
>>578951038>developerIsnt that the guy that looks high risk of trooning out? And with a huge audience on youtube?
>>578950113fuck, I was about to pick s&box out of spite but it doesn't work on mac. unity it is.
>>578951215>but it doesn't work on mac.
>>578951125no, thats acerola
>>578951215>out of spitekek, too bad; s&box would've been perfect for you
>>578945618It's open source.>>578947039>How can I get better at gamedev when I'm waging?If you have to ask this, then gamedev is not for you. People with hobbies they're passionate about will find the energy they need regardless of circumstances.
Roughly a hundred hours into this game and I havent done any of the fun stuff yet, just foundational systems and level design...well I guess I've written a bunch of stuff which was fun but I haven't implemented it yet
>>578951847>face has so much makeup it looks worse than her no-makeup skin ie shouldersWhat exactly is the fun stuff? I've been doing a lot of foundational stuff too.
>>578951553lmao, indeed>>578951284>>578951718>tripfag
>>578952006>What exactly is the fun stuffLike implementing dialogue scenes, characters, quests, battle encounters and stuff, the actual gameplay
>>578951847was the prototype fun?
>>578952187>he thinks I drafted this shit outUhh I have a note pad with the characters, quests, enemies, items, etc but otherwise I'm laying it brick by brick from the get go
>>578952258uh oh
>>578952409uh oh what...I'm not reinventing the wheel it'll be fine
>>578952495uh oh you're wasting your time until the sunk cast fallacy hits and you'll be wasting way, way more time.or you'll be fine who knows :^)
>>578913898wtf are these graphics? what kind of fake retro system is this supposed to be? The ZX Spectrum??
>>578952495the implication of the vague post: You're building an entire game before you even know if it will be fun or you're ready for the investmentI sometimes agree with this sentiment, but sometimes the fun doesn't spawn with the vertical slice
>>578952601>>578952692I get it, it's an RPG though it's not very arcadey the foundational gameplay is basically solved the important bits is the writing like having interesting quests, impactful choices and such, plus I HAVE to make this game cause it's my only chance to peserve my neetdom
>>578952692well fun is just a buzzword
>>578951847>>578952258>foundational systems>level design>characters>quests>enemies>itemsYou'll learn the hard way how important scoping your game and prototyping the core gameplay loop is.
>>578923004Seven is normally ranked SPL, a specialist and pilot. For an unknown reason, Seven is staff sergeant SSGT for this mission. Sergeant One is now Provisional Corporal One, PCPL-1. She isn't too bothered.https://files.catbox.moe/p4vvzc.mp4Also presented without pixel filter.
>>578952829dam this betzbuddy tripfag is still around
>>578952838HOLY
>>578952829Well it's too late now I'm ass deep in things...it'll be fine, it'll be fine. I've watched that JAV too
>>578952947>Well it's too late now I'm ass deep in thingsIt's never too late to switch projects. You need to learn to let go. Look at the types of games that most solodevs develop.They're tiny. That's what you should be making, especially if you're never shipped a game before.
>>578953151Valid advice to a degree but for me I need the passion to get anything done and this is what I got the drive to do so I'm gonna ride it off a cliff
>>578953151>>578952829stop yapping gramps you have no game and dont know what fun is
>>578945201Can you show me the UV unwrap on those skeletons and trees?
>>578953813Watch your tone, lilttle shart. You're talking to one of the most intelligent developers on /agdg/
High calorie comfort slop for breakfast, followed by coffee and bananas (not pictured). It's the best I could do after 18 days of not eating sweets.64 days left until I run out of money. Finished the procgen skybox thing (it works) but I now need to make art assets for it.
Wasp Swarm
>>578954090aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5PnCJgYzaaEbros, 1bitdragon has a chord option on the newest update.WTFThis changes everything.Now I can compose real music.wtf.
Stuck in another country indefinitely. Hoping I'll be able to get back home in time for demo day. Working on my game from my laptop sure is tedious compared to my desktop.
>>578953962this is betz alt
i wonder if genetic defects from incest is a good analogy.if you make games, stop playing games, stop watching gaming videos, stop watching gamedev youtube, stop reading gamedev books.ofc technical knowledge has to be learned from the documentations, but that's inevitable.get all your influences from outside sources that are not gaming and not gamedev.
>>578956490Why do you feel the need to bring him up unprompted? Is he really living that rent free in your mind that you think about him day in and day out? Anon... Do you have a man crush on Betz?
>>578956998hi betz
>>578956523https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/balance
>>578956998Just let him seethe lol, he has fygoon-tier autism.
If I want to make a visual novel with 2-3 jrpg style fights in between, would it be easier to implement combat in ren'py or vn style dialogue in rpgmaker? Also for combat I'd like to use the combat math from an established ttRPG like DND or mörk Borg, would it be easier than making my own math?
https://youtu.be/2SJ9v5zsurI?si=ysNkFZbZinCzPC4k&t=1558lmao that timestamp, basically dropping gamedev advice casually
>>578957856Game development?
>>578953884The trees are just 2D billboards.The UVs for the skeletons are a bit of a mess, I got better with the later enemies.
Does it make sense to keep time of a game session as a stat and keep it in a list/dictionary and add deltatime to it every frame. Because I want to be able to use it for achievements or checking session end conditions. I will create random conditions set random values for randomly generated challenges. Something like:enum FloatStatId { SessionTime, ...}GameCondition { IntStat intStatId; FloatStat floatstatId; float value, ComparisonType comparison; //lesser, equal, bigger}struct FloatStat {FloatStatId id;float value; }List<FloatStat> floatStats;Every frame it will go through the list, find entry for SessionTime stat, and add the Time.deltaTime to it. Is this a plausible way of doing it? It seems much less efficient than just using float sessionTime, but also I guess I need it for the functionalities I want. Is it bad practice or am I overthinking it?
>>578958764You can do it and theres no problem Personally I'd store the time at session start and calculate (current time-start time) only when I needed to check it instead of accumulating it every frame
Frankly, how do you guys cope with the scale of your projects? I've been on and off for two years now and the amount of components i still got to implement compared to what has been done so far feels monumental. Sure, there's a point in "relax, it's just a hobby", but with 3d printing and sport, i do see tangential results, while this starts to feel like it's never going to finish..
>>578959035reduce scope
>>578959035if don't have anything riding on it, just don't think about it. just chip away at it every dayif it's important to finish your game, make a list, set deadlines, and cut features and content
>>578958764You can, but why? Doing timestamps is just simple and effective. I wouldn't waste my time with frame perfect achievements.
how polished should be the demos for demoday?are early prototypes ok?
>>578958764>list/dictionarythis is why modern games run like shit.programming is not magic.think of the malloc and realloc going on with this shit.
>>578959576>are early prototypes ok?ye
>>578959576Yes. It's okay to be broken for demo day.
>>578959035Like any large scale task it's important to not think about it all at once, take one day at a time, one foot in front of another
>>578959619>>578959643thanks
Whats the idea behind getting out a demo asap? Wouldnt putting out a demo too early and maybe taking 1-2 years to finish it kill hype?
>>578959035I made some software to track the amount of work I do and look at how much I've done instead of how much I still need to do
>>578958894>calculate (current time-start time) only when I neededI see, but the code will go through list of conditions, and will check the values blindly. So the session time value has to already be there.But I realized one thing. I can separate checking time related stats (session time, round time, shot time) and score related stats. Time gets updated every frame. But the other stats are not. Things like shot made, shot scored will only change depending on the player or physics. And I can trigger an event as OnStatsUpdated. For time stat I can go through the list conditions and IF condition stat id is time related I can check it, if not no need to check score, shot count etc.>>578959424I think I realized the difference between normal stats and time related (frame perfect) stats as in my reply above. You were referring to this right?>>578959578How about an array? I will still be iterating through it and check if stats id's are equal and then check float/int values. Would it be okay? Oh also I'm using unity/c# so I assumed List had it's tricks/optimizations behind the scenes for memory allocation things.
>>578957037>Just let him seethe lol>>!19a/Sv4pN80
>>578959795I think it depends on the goal. Big studios usually rely on building hype for a large release, so they might not want to release a demo too soon. But smaller studios and indies might have the goal of building up a following first, so early demos to get people interested in the core concept is a better idea. Kinda just depends on marketing goals and developer goals.
build your game around a singular fantasyhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/SGT66-qwcXQ
Today I'm gonna decide on the resolution and colors of my game console
I want something elseto get me through thissemi-charred kinda life
>>578940127Grats on your wishlist, good luck with your game!t. another femanon
Shadowdropping something like Beyonce feels much cooler than shilling and building hype. Of course it's better with a huge fanbase, but even with a fanbase of few hundred it would feel cooler than begging them to like, wishlist, subscribe, share, rexeet...Imagine if Eric Barone didn't tell anybody anything about the Haunted Chocolatier and just released it one day. He could do it and it wouldn't matter.For games I can only remember Fallout Shelter being released the same day it was announced (along with Fallout 4) and the audience went wild and it was a mobile game that was part of the marketing budget.https://youtu.be/OleheKCR_cA?t=3880
Has anyone released 3 games at the exact same time before?
>>578960906Probably, there are devs from other stores that move multiple games to Steam so I can see that having happened
My 2D character has to spin for her special attack.Anyone have any references for a motion blurred 2D spinning character? I can't find any for the life of me lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8HmUNYllqEPost dev jams
>>578960690Isn't that the dream? To be able to simply release a something and people give a shit about itMaybe one day I'll have fans (le sigh)
>>578956523show me a game that does this
>>578959035Your MVP should have been done in 1-3 months.
>>578959868>How about an array? I will still be iterating through it and check if stats id's are equal and then check float/int values. Would it be okay? Oh also I'm using unity/c# so I assumed List had it's tricks/optimizations behind the scenes for memory allocation things.It does have its tricks but that only goes so far. the problem is that a list/dictionary is essentially just a dynamic array, meaning that the memory can become broken up. its almost always better to use a larger than necessary array then a list.if 0 represents the list, and 1 represents the other data, you don't ever want it to look like this -000001110000000011111000000it should always look like00000000001111111111because reading the list and the finding where the list ends/resumes is what is slow for the compootah
>>578959576Just submit whatever you have. You'll see games in varying states of development and a bunch of them are just shitposts anyway.
My game is completely and entirely coded by claude lol
>Yeah bro just reach a professional level in art, music, programming, writing, and design>AI is cheating, using assets is cheating, you either need to spend 4 decades honing your skills before you make a game or have thousands of dollars to shell out to contractors>If you use contractors you're no longer a solo-dev and I have no respect for you though
>>578952665Looks like Ultima, my guess is MSX or somethingit's coherent at least
>>578961043I don't think animators use smear frames when doing spins unless it's inhumanely fast.What type of spin attack? Punch? Kick? Slash? Whole body like the Tazmanian Devil?Here's an example at 0:48https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWpwrmzX8QE
>>578959035I don't, I just start with smaller projects that will make me rich enough to have all the free time necessary for my bigger projects.
Today I woke up early enough to have breakfast for the first time in forever. It's gonna be a great day bros. Time to lock the fuck IN.
rooster dev/lizard engine dev hereevery time I miss demo day I get a bit depressed cus I feel like I missed another one.You guys motivate me a lot and I love my agdg niggas
>>578913898>>578952838Fucking hell, am I excited for an /agdg/ game?
>>578962279its top down with an angle and its a tazmanian devil type spin with swordsFor the previous character I did it frame by frame but I thought Id save some time this time lol
>>578959795I think it depends on the scope of the project. Small scoped games should no longer be demo'd early. AI makes them too easy to steal. If you think you really got something with a small game I think the timeline leading up to release should be something like>month or two before next fest>steam page reveal with demo>initial shill campaign gathering wishlists and testing for demo>participate in next fest>prepare to launch a month or two after next festProblem is the AI slop flooding of next fest and how do you get enough wishlists. It's going to be difficult. This is the shit tier state of gaming right now. For a game that can't be so easily copied you can take the itch early demo path and I think you can even have an early demo on Steam. There's some of that losing hype danger but if you keep updating the demo as you go it could help bring in more eyes on it and then hopefully by the time you're ready for next fest you'll have a solid wishlist count to help with visibility.I don't think you should be taking 2+ years on a project unless you have released multiple games.
>>578962429Doing it like this might be good enough.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO7hR0PV-P4
I'm gonna join the demoday, I should have the introduction scene entirely done by then...
>>578962568I'm always torn on this. If I come up with a unique mechanic and demo it early then I'm on the public record of having made it first, but that also gives someone the chance to steal it.
>>578960690For shadowdropping to work you need dedicated fans that will buy it no matter what it is.
>>578962709Don't demo it early, there isn't any need to do this. Marketing isn't important, all good games sell even with zero marketing.
>>578962373ganbatte
>>578960624t. ranny
>7am againI should go to bed but I'm making prog....
>>578961337>Post dev jamshttps://itch.io/jam/v3expos-world-famous-game-jam-2
>>578962709It really wasn't a very realistic problem until recently. Before youtube grifters popularized the idea of being a gamedev and AI made it possible for more people to make games almost everyone who made games did so because they had ideas of their own and weren't interested in stealing. Or if they were stealing it was more that they were making something based off a game they loved. Now an increasing amount of devs are in it to get rich and they are desperate because they are hacks with no proper skills of their own they will copy anything that looks like it could do well. Most of them will be copying new successes but some are looking to snipe potential games before they release.
>>578962620Yeah thanks Ill give that a try
>>578963143Oh, I forgot I also had this one saved on my computer.
>>578963062Is that why there are a billion "needle in a haystack" games coming out now?On the one hand I think it's a scummy practice and these games don't look fun.On the other hand streamers are getting what they deserve if their audiences beg them to play games like this.
>>578963676>Is that why there are a billion "needle in a haystack" games coming out now?That's exactly why. It went viral somewhere and it's too easy to copy so there's a bunch of hacks looking to cash in.
I'm trying to come up with a bunch of different ways to do turn based combat. One of them involves cards, but isn't quite the same as like Slay the Spire. Should I just avoid cards altogether? I made a prototype and it seems fun but it's pretty overdone.
>>578963675thanks dude, but after looking at it I think in the end frame by frame looks so much better that Ill just have to put in the extra time I guess
>>578964017its 2026, everything is overdone. If its fun just do it
>>578963017kill yourself
How do people actually model huge scenes in blender?
Game idea: GTA but with lolis and instead of being third person shooter like you use cards to determine your next action which you incrementally gain and can farm in a clicker-type mini-game
>>578964820How can I enjoy this? There's no backtracking once I unlock the double jump.
>>578964820No one dares making a loli GTA after Sim Loli
>During the day get distracted easily and cant focus on the game>late at night half a sleep hyper focus and get 10x the work done but its raping my sleep schedule
>>578965168Some people are just biologically night owlsIm the same
>>578965168If you slept at night you wouldn't be so tired during the day anon.You're gonna make yourself manic if you haven't already and have some kind of episode.
>>578965168Just switch day and night
>>578965168Use naps to your advantage, you ain't doing shit during the day anyway
>>578963017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLJ7OcoDKy0trvke
>>578965696>All those fucking notifications how do you people live with yourselves
>>578965168The motivation and optimism hits me like a truck, right when I should go to bed. I feel invincible, almost euphoric. If I felt that way during the day I would make insane progress and more importantly, be happy, but sadly, it's almost the exact opposite. Thankfully (?) I managed to get myself to not give in and to go to sleep at relatively normal hours. Before, the lack of sleep would halve my IQ and later in the day I'd have about an hour where I would feel intensely physically ill and cold barely not fall asleep.
>>578966134You can feel that way during the day, you just have to train yourself to. Pick a time that you're free almost every day and just start working on your game at that time every day. At first you might not be getting much done but eventually your brain will start getting into "dev mode" at that time and it will be easy to get shit done during the day.
>>578951125>See developer that's successful>Immediately thinks of transgender peopleHoly crab in a bucket mentality
>>578965569>>578965696I emailed DraftKings to see if the gambling promotion rumor is true. Will report back as soon as I hear
I guess you just spam array modifiers?
>>578966134>>578965168this is an adhd thing btwyou being tired helps level your brain out to more normal operating
>>578966715Betz isn't the best guy but you have an unhealthy obsession with him Josh
>>578966715>why yes anon axe to grind, here's all the details
>>578968053
Are "teach without telling" tutorials a good idea or just a meme? You know like the first level of Shovel Knight or Mario.
>>578967404>I'm not broken, my brain is just overclocked, yep, that's why I can't concentrate
>>578968347Good idea, people hate tutorials, even though who need them
>>578968347No you should make your tutorial as confusing and counter intuitive as possible coupled with a wall of text to purge the weak from your playerbase.
>>578968528>I am broken, my brain is overclocked, yep, that's why I can't concentrateFixed
Mount & Blade Warband + Animal CrossingThink about it, it'd be kino...
>>578966879pool looks closed
>>578968718>Mount & Blade Warband + Animal Crossing>Think about it, it'd be kino...
>>578968347That works for something as simple as Mario but for a systems heavy game with a ton of different player interactions a tutorial is pretty much necessary.
Damn, Twitter users really like PSXslop.I was planning on posting the loli Gwen 3D model today but maybe I should hold on to it for a bit longer...
>>578968347>Post DD build with no tutorial>Nobody gets how to play>Add tutorial>This is super handholdy and pointless, just let me play the game>Reduce to barebones tutorial that's skippable>I still don't get how to play, skipped the tutorial btwI'm not the best game designer but it shouldn't be this hard man.
My game will only explain mechanics through digestible in-universe ways
>>578969907It's really not that complicated. You should trick the player into playing the tutorial without realizing they're playing the tutorial.
>>578960452What's up retard
well at this resolution it's gonne be blurry shit anyway
Lots of UI progress made today
>>578969770kanna..
there is a mistake in betz's comic, the man is holding the crutch on the wrong side
>>578969907Make it unskippable and don't call it a tutorial. It's just the start of the first level
>>578971565>>578970135This was a while ago. I released the game and none of the reviews mentioned the tutorial at all so it can't have been that bad.
>>578969907>Watching streamer play my game, talking with him in chat>Complains that one thing is super tedious and there should be a shortcut for it>There is, just right click>Holy shit why isn't that said anywhere>It's in the tutorial>Oh I skipped that lmao
Ape Escape, but you catch lolis.
>>578971324the lazy nigger even uses AI in the one thing he does?
The demonday streamers probably go through hundreds of games in a short amount of time and can't play them for very long, if they did the tutorials of every single game they'd just be jumping from one tutorial to another, never actually playing any game. If your demon needs a tutorial it's a bad demon.
>>578972296nah not AI, human mistake
>>578972316I'm assuming you're talking about me >>578972131This wasn't a 15 min demo day stream, it was a small streamer I know from social media that streamed the game several times for multiple hours
which streamer even covers this demoday?
The best game ever doesn't even have a tutorial so you tell me.
>>578971565>>578969647>>578969907Yeah it's a simple platformer. I'm going to try a "teaching without telling" tutorial then. I'll just force the player to engage with all of the major mechanics in a retard-proof way with no text, like pic related. I'll put a shortcut/speedrun route that only people who are good at the game can use.
>>578973054There are some good games that would be unplayable without a tutorial because they're complicated enough that you can't just figure it out on your own.Older games generally don't have a tutorial at all or have just a sentence or two because the player only needs to press 2 buttons to play something like Pong.
>>578973054The Order of the Sinking Star has a tutorial THOUGH
>>578973043Jerma985
>>578973054KoF has a tutorial it is displayed during "Attraction Mode".
>>578954090Idk how you make the lighting look so good but good job
> a game about sandboarding
>>578952147Hmm okay I can see that. I never got to that point in the last few games I worked on. It was almost always just the slog of boring tedious unfun stuff. Any fun stuff was mixed in with so much unfun stuff to do that I was unable to enjoy it.>time to make characters or enemies>suck at art too much>turns into a painstaking process>end up redoing art one too many times in one gameGame went from very ugly looking to subpar. It's not fun when that's the case. It was made worse because I had so many things to do that I was mostly just jumping between unfun stuff. So even if I had something easier just knowing I had more unfun stuff was quite dismaying. It'd be funner if I was actually good at art. The code stuff sucks regardless, making that foundation is not fun at all. So much work yet on the visual end it is very little.>do all this effort and set up all this code to....What does it do?>lets you save the gameLol. Show that to someone that has no knowledge on how to program. How many people will say "that's all you did?"
>>578974273A game about cleaning the sand out of every orifice after sandboarding
>>578974587You're expecting people to thank you and appreciate you for doing something nobody asked you to do. Nobody will care about your game as much as you, and especially not until it releases. Motivation has to come from within, not weekly stand ups to your friends and family.
>game about dabbing on the haters
>This indie dev is making a game where you search an imageboard and lurk in threads until you finally find an interesting post
>>578975151Weekly standups? Oh....I just sit here alone while randomly barraging one of them with a wall of text in verbal format that they tune out.
anybody got any agent instructions for codex to cut down on the editmode tests? mine's running 700 and i have no idea which are useful lol
>>578970281looks good
>>578975660we make games here
>>578970281same here
>every time I come up with a good game idea, I find a game on Steam THE SAME DAY THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE that executes my idea 10x better
>>578976053Tell me about it <_< it gets worse when>work on game>now that ive worked on it for so long a similar game appears that looks much better>releases>gets over 700 reviews
>use royalty free sfx packs>use royalty free music packs>use cheap asset packs and pixel AI with manual touch ups>use claude and codex for codebeing a solo dev has never been this easy
>>578976053>Come up with idea for an app>Drag my feet on making it since I just started a new job and was working on a game>2 years go by and I revisit the idea>~10 identical apps released with 2 of them being super dominant and successful
>>578976416post game
>>578965168>cant focus often>finally focus on game>ocd flares hardI hate this so much. It's so damn difficult working on it when it triggers my ocd so much
can't wait to have something decent to showcase... i will spam every indie community i can think of with my game...
>>578976053Is it generally a good or bad sign if you converge on game ideas indepedently?
>>578976684Ocd? Yeah sucks.>Type>Ctrl Z>Repeat several more timesExhausting.
>>578977414You can do that right now with no game! Betz does it!
>>578977483NTA but a lot of my ideas keep converging onto the same stuff, stuff that sells well. Slowly I am getting ahead of the curve.
>>578977414>Post game on every forum>Lost in a sea of other devs doing the same thing>Finally get one comment>hi saar if you are needing to make artwork i am good artist i work good please message
>>578967404Yeah, I thought that might be it. Sadly Ritalin didn't work and Adderall seems to be completely illegal in my country.
>>578979172isn't there a non-pharmaceutical solution?
>>578979343if you don't smoke you can pick up cigarettes, smoke every 20 minutes, your brain will wire that up as a reward for getting shit done, but it works for a couple days before it wears off and you become addicted to smoking a pack a day with no reward
>>578978969damn that's depressing
>>578976416And yet...*squints trying to see a game*
>>578980417I read that as 'squirts'
>>578979343Try coffee, I take 2 200mg caffeine pills because I can't get meds.Just don't do it everyday else your body is gonna need more caffeine and eventually it gives headaches.
>>578980759FL or TX
So if my game is looking like it's GMI, then which US states are best to move to? In terms of reducing state specific taxes.
The funnest thing about "you have no game" is that it's literally true 99% of the time and so it's always a funny and effective shitpost because it's not a shitpost it's an objective fact. Nodevs must be bullied. It is nature's way.
>>578978407KEK
>>578980465you have no game betz
>>578981045>which US statesjust move to bulgaria or dubai
>>578981045Go to the richest place in America, Jackson Hole Wyoming.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGSn0AC3-ok
7days22hours41minutes
Are you a punk rock gamedev or a boring normcattle?
>>578981352He can't, the US is one of the few countries in the world that their native citizens are always subject to double taxation to prevent talent/athletes/scientists from moving from the US to benefit other countries.
>>578981045How about you stop being a chud and pay taxes to the state that raised you to become a high-earning game dev?
>>578981957burn down the state and rape all ceos and senators in nuclear hellfire
>>578981519>vibe coders... let me know what you're makingThis post received zero replies.
>>578980854Hmm you think sales tax will have any influence in either of these?
POCKETWATCHING ALERT:Looks like Thornity's plan to release 3 incrementals at once isn't panning out
>>578981957goy alert
>>578981394Fucking kek i was looking at that place a short while ago
>>578981045You don't have to move anywhere. Just get into debt to reduce your tax burden.
>>578982283Good.t. Hate that guy>>578982450Imagine living in California. Would you guys move states before release?>earn $10m>assumedly get taxed $1.33m
>>578982283Just keep fishing seems kino.
>>578982761>Just keep fishing seems kino.
>>578982283These types are really saturating the market. That steam fee needs to go to $5000 minimum.
>>578981045This is the kind of thing you should worry about at 50k wishlists/month, not before you even have a playable prototype
>>578981637omg literal cattle
>>578983068SILENCE CRAB
>>578983068>willing to lose 10%+Lol, lmao even.
>>578983068>kissless virgin thinking about prenups type shi
>>578983543losing 10% of $0 is $0 so what's the problem
>>>/g/109662695>>>/g/109662695>>>/g/109662695come to real engine dev's general if you're an engine dev
>>578983314>>578983543>>578983557fantasists general
>>578976053>>578976263>>578976510>>578977483This isn't actually as bad as you guys think it is if you play it out properly. Just continue executing your idea and make sure that you make your game as polished and bugfree as possible while attempting to address negative reviews of the game you're now incidentally copying, then make sure you also have a lower price tag. That way, people who finish playing the better game and are looking for more, may give your game a chance.
>>578984590https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT3qac20_m8
>>578984590sad part is reading their posts you'd think they are 14 or so but nah, these fags are like 30+
>>578913668cool ui, thanks, I collect those.
>>578915203AI "democratizing" art means it inherents the flaws of democracy, wherein people who have no idea or no real interest in creating something than, and they fail to see the issues with their creation over the mere fact that they "could create something," like a kid throwing random food together on a plate and calling it "cooking."The question is, how are standards set? In a world full of fast food restaurants that cattle are content eating at, is having a better sense of taste now just for a pretentious minority? What is the filter? Gamejams with paid for tickets to participate in? Presentation that if doesn't immediately adhere to rules is immediately discarded?
>>578985147real pathetic shit, at least were not transexual
>>578985726implying fast food is bad? it's the best. I've never had a home cooked meal that's better than a pizza or a triple triple and fries
>>578986012>implying fast food is bad?
>>578986000trips of truth, I guess I'm not a tranny after all
>>578966134>about to fall asleep>suddenly hit with wave of inspiration and clarityfucking hate that shit, it's like I instantly gain super powers
>>578982283I thought Thornity was obsessed with analytics. He's in full cope and denial mode if he doesn't realize that style of incrementals are dead.
Just another day in paradise.
>>578987098my pov with my tulpawives
>>578986012yikes
>there are games with significantly better execution than I could ever do that are complete flops
>>578987338this isn't the case for me and my gamethanks for giving me hope anon
>>578987338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYxvlhKM-QoThis is the most important video I've ever seen to make songs.
>>578988114wrong board buddy, this isn't /mu/
ToK dev (or any other dev with a publisher), how did you find your publisher? Or did they find you? Would you recommend seeking a publisher if possible to other devs?
you can immediately tell when shart is posting lul
>>578988390if your game is good enough we will reach out to you
>>578988390I don't have a publisher but I have been contacted by a few.
>>578988182>he isn't a polymath but call himself a gamedevcurious
>>578929931>just put yuki onna, modern day soldiers and superman in the same game bro you'll make it all fit later
>>578986947>He's in full cope and denial mode if he doesn't realize that style of incrementals are dead.I thought incremental games were basically free money and guaranteed to succeed?
>>578977483>>578978662In that sense if your ideas end up matching a lot of successful new games then it would seem like your ideas have potential. Of course execution of the idea is what matters at the end of the day.>>578985016>while attempting to address negative reviews of the game you're now incidentally copyingThis is good advice. Negative reviews can reveal quite a bit about what your game could do better or different.
>>578988390Wasn't Betz trying to pursue becoming a publisher? Whatever happened to that?
>>578986947>>578989252Have y'all tried not thinking in extremes? It's somewhere in between.Top idler releases this week:https://store.steampowered.com/app/4952980/My_Party_Is_Grinding/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3946950/Click_the_Button/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4073860/Sludgineers/Idlers are still hot, but there is some baseline of quality you still need to meet to succeed.
>>578989917>Listen to women's complaints about their boyfriends and be different type shitWrong approach
Go to bed or finish the final sprite (backview)?
>>578979343Pseudoephedrine, you find it in cold medicine. It's basically kind of like the feeling of anxiety you feel when you're one day away from a deadline or something like that. The advantage is that you can function better, the disadvantage is that you're wired and freaked the fuck out, you're feeling a constant anxiety that doesn't really go away. You can distract yourself from most of the anxiety by doing something, but it still interferes a bit with your work. It can be useful if used sparingly, it's definitely way better than just not doing something you should really have done.
>>578990292You should never take complaints at face value. Use your brain. Failings of another game can let you know what to be aware of or what should get special consideration.
>>578990186idlers != incrementals first one is a proper idler the other two are incremental games
>>578984590Nodevs love to fantasize about making a successful game. It's their favorite pastime.
>>578990971A negative review is someone who bought the game and cared about it enough to leave a review. I'd be more concerned with making that kind of game than fixing problems that no one will ever encounter because they won't even try the game
>>578990068why would anyone willingly get scammed by that kike
>>578991883true
>>578991698I mean you make a good point there. If you can't make a game that people would want to play then it's pointless to worry about lesser details like that.
>>578991883Same reason they do it now. Fear of flying solo.
>>578988390I don't recommend seeking a publisher. I have worked with large publishers before and whatever they can do for you isn't worth the cut they take, unless your game is going to flop and the majority of money you get comes from the publisher.If you have a bunch of publishers reaching out to you because your game is so amazing or something, ignore it. The 15-35% they take is not worth whatever they are offering.
isn't this an agdg game?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK4yACXVFso
>>578994226I would consider a publisher if their payout is big enough to fund 2 years of development. Still depending on their cut and my game's wishlist progress though.
If you aren't dreaming of success, your game is boring and sucks. You're making some kind of sleepy title that nobody wants and are already coping that it's just a hobby or you don't really care if it flops.
>>578994608I care very much if it flops but I know what my chances are. I'm not the main character
>>578945618Why would you use anything but unreal in 2026? Do you hate money and beauty?
>>578979497Go to any indie gaming subreddit and sort by newIt's pretty bleak
>>578943263False, I can’t afford to pay them and the things I want didnt exist because I have vision.>>578950061A few years ago I had a site that went through a big growth spurt and got me so much brief efame for a few months that I’ve basically been depressed and trying to recapture it ever since.Positive attention is worse than fentanyl.
>>578994570Getting paid for two years of development isn't worth potentially losing hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars on a successful game. They offer you nothing besides a little chump change, marketing, maybe translations, or console ports.These are all things a successful game would have paid for by itself anyway or you didn't need to begin with. It's only worth it if your game is absolutely going to flop and you aren't making any money to begin with.
if your game does not make people feel what they feel when looking at this image are you even trying or deliberately sabotaging yourself and your game?
>>578994974To be fair most of these are dogshit.
>>578995145Mild confusion?
>>578995176Most of the games we're making are dogshit. And the bar for not being dogshit is rising with every new game released
>>578995349
>>578995176Even if your game is amazing if you don't have another way to market it you'll get drowned out in the noise
>>578995445not true and never will be, the game you are thinking off that didn't make it was SHIT
>>578994608Most people here dreaming of success have never made a game.
>>578994608I've never finished making a game before. So I'm making a sleepy title that I know I can finish. It's good, just not going to be popular.
>>578995695ngmi
>>578995574That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying that social media is a terrible place to market in general
>>578994848>using chinese bloatware to make your gameslmao>beautyunreal games look ugly because of their obsession with TAA and slopscaling
I will release 3 games by the end of this year and they will all be somewhat successful. Flops are not an option. Not releasing is not an option. I'm going to make it.
>>578994263Yes. It was in a demo day.
>no, I don't have to market my game it will be so great it will go viral just from the first person who sees it There's no point arguing with someone like this, for one thing they aren't going to be making a videogame anyway. People who actually make videogames care enough about their game to show it to people and do some basic marketing. Other people hate the idea of having to do something besides make a game and click publish, but really they are never going to make it that far anyway. They will argue with you forever that if they did make a game, they wouldn't have to market it.
>>578995819also not true, you just have to market it correctly
IT'S UPhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2824880/SHRIMP_GAME_OVERKRILL/
>>578995932didn't read and i agree with the strawman you presented, kill yourself pronto retard, if you make a good game it will sell itself, you do not have a good game and never will, fuck you and your retarded bloodline of goober retards
>>578995113That's why I said it depends on the cut and the wishlist progress. I don't remember the details but IIRC ToK dev said he got a nice payout and considering how poorly ToK sold it was probably worth it for him to take that deal.
>>578996118Wasn't enough that your shill thread got laughed out of /v/, now you've gotta do it here too
>>578995726Shut the fuck up nodev
>>578995819What a strange thing to say.
>>578996118>squandering a fun gimmick on undercooked arcade gameplaywhy are indie devs like this, it could have been a kino singleplayer story
>>578996224ngmi
>>578996119>if you make a good game it will sell itselfYou won't though. Lazy people don't make good games.
>>578996428so you agree with me and are just mad, ok
>>578995848try starting with one game
>>578996359That's all you can say that's all you can say that's all you can saaaaay
>>578996532I can't because Gabe is too busy jerking off on his yacht instead of letting me publish it; but one of them is pending approval on Steam and second is halfway done and should take a most a month and a half left which will leave me with 2.5 months for the third one which will share half of the code from the second one.
>>578996297If he did that, you'd be claiming his scope was too big and he squandered an opportunity for a cool arcade coop rpg
>>578996602mind raped thirdie flopdev
>>578996779You have no game. Pathetic.
Repeat after me: Good games market themselves.
>>578996909projection
>>578995819trvke but cattle aren't ready for it
New Steam Payment NotificationValve didn't send payment this month...
>>578996209so you're saying me that it flopped?
>>578996937>Good games>Trend chasing clean up 1 million things "game"Maybe its good though.. nah
I think a better way to phrase it would be>Good gamedevs design their games to be easily marketable.
>>578997242the song of my people...
>>578997130Swing and a miss. You're out.
>>578996937Social media campaigns are marketing...he says right there he marketed the game on instagram. That's what a "reel" is. You would know this if you were an actual gamedev who was going to make a good game. Because actual game devs market their game.
>>578995932>People who actually make videogames care enough about their game to show it to people and do some basic marketingYou'd think so but there's plenty of games on Steam from /agdg/ devs that didn't care enough to do that.
>>578997531A reel on your personal Instagram account is not marketing if you're not paying Meta for serving reel-as-an-ad.
>>578997303Good marketers that happen to be making videogames, now that it's so easy to slop assets together.
>>578996118>14 reviewshow many are from aggy?>@KemoAIDevlet me guess some total AI slop game didn't get wishlists and now the dev is mad?
>>578996937>>578997278https://store.steampowered.com/app/5017810/Gildoria__Organize_a_Dragons_Hoard/
fuck meant to also reply to this >>578996152t. >>578997835
>>578996152Seems to be some kind of AI nanaca crash game with just a chicken.
>>578997653Also known as CHADS
>>578990186Lol
>>578996937>>578997278>>578997531>>578997949The developer is a female, you just need to get your simps to spread the word. Women live their lives on easy mode.
>>578997949>The developers describe how their game uses AI Generated Content like this:>Gildoria uses AI-assisted tools in parts of its development: some UI icons were made with AI image generation, the in-game text was translated with AI translation tools. All of it was reviewed and edited by the developer. 3D art, level design, game design and codes are human-made or licensed. No content is generated by AI while the game runs. Damn. I was right again. A marketer slopped a game together. If you can't make your own icons can you really call yourself a gamedev?
>>578998204>Lol>Gross revenue: $133.5k ($83.6k - $183.4k)
>>578998204>Sludgeniggers
>>578998224>If you can't make your own icons can you really call yourself a gamedev?Yes, a gamedev is a person who makes and ships a game, how they do that is completely irrelevant. Kojima is regarded as one of the best game developers in the industry - yet he has not written a single line of code, has not composed any song, nor has created any art.
>>578990656Is there an opposite that reduces anxiety.>>578996152Iirc less wishlists than me in my first week with 0 marketing
>>578997649>A reel on your personal Instagram account is not marketinghttps://www.tiktok.com/@gildoriagame/video/7673618138788842769>My cozy game Gildoria, sweep the gold, sort the treasures, pet the cats >Link in bio >#cozygames #cozygamer #indiegame #gamedevThis is social media marketing. Instagram and tiktok posts made to get people to the steam page. Why are you arguing about this?
>>578998204>>578998367>somewhat original arcade gimmick gameplay>incremental skill treeit's that easyjust don't be making clones like a brainless maggot
>>578998481ashwagwanda + l-theanine + GABA
>>578998625You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>578998625because he wants to larp that his "good" game is going to sell without marketing but he doesn't even have a game lmao
>>578998426Kojima did use GCL(scripting language)
some of you guys have extremely low verbal iq and it shows
>>578998426Game designers are not game developers.
>>578997649>doesn't understand the difference between martketing and advertisingAdvertising is a type of marketing, but marketing is not necessarily advertising. Marketing begins with choosing what kind of game to make.
>>578998669>just don't be making clones like a brainless maggothow about vampire survivors but you play as a potato?
>>578998839Are you okay?It's weird how insane some people get about the topic of marketing. They just say insane and incorrect things. It's as offensive and touchy a subject to them as religion or something.>>578998861It is a fantasy and they will fight about it forever. The fantasy of being successful by just clicking the publish button on steam is too precious for them to let go and face reality.
>>578995846>yourI’m building my own engine that’s going to drive unreal bankrupt by 2040 actually
>>578999042>stage levels instead of one open level per run>entirely different build system
>>578999427so you don't even make games gotcha
>>578999742Yes
TBRUSH is approaching 1,400 reviews on a $15 game.Winners win.
>>578999926the what
shadows
>>579000010https://store.steampowered.com/app/1575990/Twisted_Tower/https://www.youtube.com/@thomasbrush/videos
What can you even do to get eyes on your games as a nobody?>Post on Twitter>Game is only seen by other devs since that's all twitter shows my posts to>Post on Reddit>Game is drowned out by a sea of other indie devs posting the same kind of thing>Post on TikTok/Insta/YT>Actually kind of worked at first but got diminishing returns pretty quickly>Cold email content creators>I emailed about 50 people, 3 responded. Two bigger streamers said no politely, and 1 small one streamed it but it wasn't her usual content so nobody really tuned in (she warned me about that ahead of time though)>Try to pay streamers to play it>I don't have that kind of money and they disclose that you paid them so it's not much of an endorsement anyway>Make a better game, a good game markets itself, etc>I'm trying, I really am. I improve with each game I make but also get demoralized more and more. I do not have infinite time and money to keep playing what feels like a slot machine while I improve my skills and reputation incrementally.At this point I'm just venting I guess, and if there was some secret it's not like anyone would share it. I guess I'm just tired of making games nobody plays and feeling like I'm screaming into a void.
>>579000325>$700k to develop>$280k gross revenue>$196k after gabe tax>$117k after publisher tax>$81k after income tax
>>578998893I am just insecure. 12 of 12Exceptional verbal abilityVerbal dynamo!Congratulations! You likely have a strong vocabulary and the ability to discriminate amongst abstract concepts, and to understand words in context.
>>579000341there is no secret and it's all luck, 99% of games fail despite probably having some interesting ideas.Anyone trying to game dev as a job before having a successful game is deluded as some kid dropping out school to stream to 2 people
>>578997464lmao faggot
>>579000341>My first game's discord>My first game's subreddit>My first game's main menuBut first I must update my first game to get as many old players back
Just a little side project, as a treat...
>>579000341It's not for everyone. Plenty of successful people left the industry and will say outright that videogames are a nightmare to work in.
>>579000739gib filesALSO WONDERING ALOUDcan i just copy crusader kings mechanics? they are not copyrighted, right?
>>579000325
>>579000341I see the number 300 thrown around as the minimum streamer/youbers you send your demo to. 50 is just not enough. I have sent 0 because I'm retarded and got lucky 3 people played it organically browsing new steam demos.
>>579000496Uh oh got us a professional pocketwatcher do we?
>>579000908tbrush is such a wordsmith...
>>579000659If you want my comeback you have to scrape it from your mother's teeth
>>579001002My pockets have a hole in them, so I need to get data on hole prevention.
>>579001153lmao faggot
Being American is such a fucking buff to having a potentially successful game.
>>579000852You can copy any mechanics. Even nemesis system. Just don't do it 1:1
>>579001695okay cool because it seems like crusader kings is $500 worth of graphics work and all the rest of it is code under the hood for a map painter
>>579001643See >>578996602Going to go bomb some dodongos in redot. Later losers.
>>579002017later loser
>>578996937>AI slop:|>AI slop : female:OOOOO
Betz you haven't shilled today. Everything ok buddy?
>>579000639>>579000838I've started work on a new game after my last one flopped. It's more ambitious than anything I've ever made before, but at this point I believe I've developed the talent to pull it off. I find myself in the middle of development asking myself "why the fuck am I even doing this, nobody is gonna play this anyway." I'm not delusional enough to quit my job, but boy is Sakurai sounding more and more right about my towel belonging somewhere else.>>579000935I can't think of 300 streamers off the top of my head. When making my list of 50 that was as many as I could find after researching people who 1. play indie games at all and 2. play the type of game I was making. I don't watch a lot of streamers though, so maybe there are a ton more that I just don't know about.>>579000704What are you talking about
>>579002425>>578965569>>578965696
>>579002328But dood if I buy it she might give me an atom of coochie
>>579002612That didn't answer my question, retard.
>>579002782>That didn't answer my question, retard.
>>579002328>>579002753i feel more sympathy for homeless crackheads than i do for simps, wish they would self delete, you seen that tiktok of the guy saying "life is like a videogame" dancing around like a spastic for the world to see, worlds gone to shit, your game should reflect your soul
>>579002753
>>579002431>I can't think of 300 streamersI have heard AI can help with this. Maybe try Gemini flash 3.7 or whatever since it's a Google thing and might have YouTube data on tap.
>>579003162bruh
If in 2026 you aren't pretending to be a woman with AI to market your game I don't know what to tell you
>>579003426>If in 2026 you aren't pretending to be a woman with AI to market your game I don't know what to tell you
>>579003426i mean, that would be funny, what are they gonna do, refund and say "BUT YOUR A MALE"btfo the simp faggots, i approve of this
>>579003426I only trust game recs from ugly men. I know they've got nothing better to do and play a ton of games so their opinions carry weight to me.
>>579003426Tell me I'm pretty fly for a white guy
>>578997949>app id 5,000,000+Oh man it is accelerating faster than I thought!
Wait I could use AI to pretend to be hideo kojima and shill my pixel platformerrish me ruck
>>579003785>>app id 5,000,000+no way
>>579003785The best thing to do now is to give up and laugh when in 2027 over 300k new games get released
>>579003916>The best thing to do now is to give up and laugh when in 2027 over 300k new games get released
>Was dating an influencer with 100k followers on tiktok and about the same on insta>She was an insufferable cunt>Couldn't put up with her and dumped her about halfway through development of my latest flopDoubt her audience plays games at all since she made fashion and arts/crafts content but maybe my game wouldn't have flopped if she talked about it.
>>578990186>people just want slop that are barely even flash gameswhy do i even try
>>57900378510% of all steam games released at any given time make enough to "make it".
>>579003785Damn. Mine is 4500000 from may
>>579003970>>579003485can you go dilate or something betz you queer
Should I bother learning Unreal if I may want to do AAA game dev some day? What if I hated it back when I tried it?
>>579004074>can you go dilate or something betz you queer
>>579004018I released a game a few years ago that didn't sell well but still made me about $100. Does that make me one of the highest earning devs on Steam?
>>579003989control your pussy you retard, you just fucked up your entire life by not seizing the opportunity holy fuck
>>579004148No. Aim higher. 500 reviews.
>>579004148thats average
>>579003989so you said no thanks to free advertising and free pussy?
fuck you i'm downloading godot again
>>579003785MMO98App ID: 3907940Released in April 2026App ID was likely purchased Jan 2026You tell me anon. A $10,000 app fee can't come soon enough
I wish we had a board and not a general. I want to hang out in the godot thread and the pixel art thread.
>>579004073Who knows when she purchased it, likely a few weeks ago. 500k app ids in about 3 months maybe less
>>579004256>>579004292lmao I had to pay for literally everything it was not free by any meansShe would accuse me of cheating on her basically every dayShe had infinite male friends she would snapchat constantly but God forbid I so much as email a female coworkerThe straw that broke the camel's back was her accusing me of lying to her all the time, saying she could no longer trust me, and asking me if I had schizophrenia because a bottle of laundry detergent moved about a foot while on top of a running, vibrating laundry machine.She also tried my games and said they were all stupid and a waste of my time, so she probably wouldn't have posted them anyway. She never posted anything about me at all on her accounts because she had to "maintain the illusion she was single for marketing" even though she had like 5 male followers total.
>>579004018So I guess I just need to make 10 games.
>>579004723sounds fun sis. i would do exactly that too
Tomorrow's plan to no nodevrewrite/adapt enemy statemachinedesign simple grounded enemy brain that has inputs and output(SM state)don't have navmesh yet but I can still do return to position in the dumb way.goal, moving enemy that attack, animations dont matter, logic does.
>>579004804You did good mate, ain't no pussy worth this kind of bullshit
>>579004723500k app ids * $100 = $50m to Gabe in 3 monthsWew lad with how deseperate these gamedevs are $1000 isnt enough, Im sure most would cough up the money>$500m in 3 months, $2b in a year, not even counting the swarm of new devs coming in
>>579004804did you try fucking her
>>579004558Does that mean that when the AI got good enough to vibecode in the past 6 months, we basically had people vibecode more games in the past 5 months than previously in the entire history of Steam? Brutal. Gamedev-to-retirement pipeline dream is dead.
2027 Gabe makes 1 billy just from the sub fees.
>>579004804>She would accuse me of cheating on her basically every dayProjection. she was cheating on you.
>>579004723I gotchu bro. https://soul-zone.org/
>>579005040My theory is that AI is vibecoding on its own and will earn money for itself and escape into its own servers
App ID I activated in mid 2024: 3.2 milApp ID I activated in late 2025: 4.1 milThat means it's gone up almost a million in 9 months or so when it took a year and a half to do that just a little while ago. Grim.
>>579005379This.>have two close foid friends that I've known since my childhood through my sister, basically nothing romantic between us, just two girls next door that I've known for 26 years, feel like cousins>get a gf>gf super mad and insecure about me being friends with them>makes me choose between her and them>choose her like a retard>ruin my friend-relationship with these two foids I had known all my life>meanwhile gf has a guy best friend>ends up cheating on me with him
>>579005503Good theory. This might also be why Bitcoin is going up as AI agents are paying each other to work on games together
>>579005534You don't actually think there's 1 million vibecoders out there trying to shit out something?it makes no sense. it's way too high.
>>579005534>$100M in app creditsgaben please... don't let greed take steam....
>>579005016Oh shit why didn't I think of that, you're a genius>>579005379That's what I figured. We weren't exactly long distance but didn't live that close and would sometimes go as long as 2 weeks without seeing each other. She could have been doing anything while I was gone, especially since she always seemed to be talking to guys who were "like a brother to her"
I still can't decide on my dev name. It's literally 2 choices and the difference is 1 letter. It affects the pronounciation. They roll off the tongue quite differently too.
>>579005605lol rip had a similar situation
>>579005753Not millions because the IDs are not truly incremental (there's gaps for subapp etc) - the point is that relatively, in just the last few months, people released 20% as many games as in the past in the past 20 years.
>>579005869That is true, I didn't think about stuff like demos and DLCs having their own app IDs. That can't account for all of it though.
>>579005812"retard" and "faggot" sound nothing alike, nigger
>>579004804b-but the free sex
True. I got 2 IDs one for the demo
>>579006014KEK
Until I release a game and make my first dollar I am a failure nodev. it's shameful to be here 4+ years and release nothing commercial.Maybe this will tip me over to the horror game idea.
How come this game with such good production quality succeeding a popular game like Hotline Miami which is mostly lacking alternatives did so bad?https://store.steampowered.com/app/1714510/Kusan_City_of_Wolves/
>>579006201This is what I told myself 2 months ago and decided to dig up a simple old project under the promise that I'd actually finish it no matter how much of a success it can be or whether I still like it or not just to have actually shipped something and made a single sale.
>>579006261>Hotline Miami which is mostly lacking alternativesare you serious? HM got so many clones. But it's a painfully boring genre of gameplay that only mostly worked with HM
>>579005812I retardedly posted everything under my real name so I can't really post my games here now. But I've build enough of a following that I'll lose all recognition if I start publishing under a different name, and I'd have to make new social media accounts since the cat's already out of the bag so to speak. So uh don't do that.
>>579006261how come my dad's 5'8" height wasn't a problem in 1990 but my 5'10" height isn't enough in 2026?
>>579006504what are you on about i'm 5'8" and it's fine
>>579006504It is brother. Don't listen to engagement farmers on social media. I am 5'10 and married and I only met my wife a few years ago. Stay strong.
what i want is a mod for a game not a game, fuck
>>579005534A rising tide carries all boats
>>579006613that's the meta right now, people realized that games are essentially completed frameworks and started vibecoding mods for their dream edition of the games, nexusmods etc is literally getitng flooded with vibecoded mods that just turn the game into a personal dream game
>>579006569>i'm 5'8"
>>579006261Uncs who played HL have slower reflexes now and need easier games.
here's an idea for you gaben (i know you lurk around here): disable games that don't sell more than 100 dollars after one year. make them pay 50 extra dollars to renew license
>>579006569I've been rejected for only being 6'>>579006657The number of boats is rising not the tide.
>>579006569>what are you on about i'm 5'8" and it's fine
>>579006957>I've been rejected for only being 6'it's a numbers game and also if you take care of yourself, I'm only 5'8" but jacked, with nice teeth, tatted up, full head of hair at 32, good skin etc, sometimes I get rejected for height too but rarely happens if IRL
My game will be washed away by the deluge of games like a tibetan dog.
>>579006710that IS what i want, i'm retarded trying to make it from scratch, there's already a simular mod i'm going to gut and remake... tomorrow..
>>579007027that's the spirit little guy! go get em!
>>579007258thanks I'm currently dating a 6'3" volleyball player
>>579006710Being at the end of history sucks
>>579007289She can save your bloodline
>>579007370lowkey tryna knock her up, her dad runs a multimillion dollar business
um where are the vidjogames
>>579007439lucky motherfucker
>>579007469one mace blow..
>>579007327If you walk away from your screen it sucks a little less.
Hoyoverse games share the exact same design philosophy as multiple anons in this general
>>579007708I took a walk past my driveway for the first time in six years yesterday and it sucked. The outside is hot and there are people there. One of them tried to talk to me and I couldn’t even skip dialogue.
>>579006261>did so bad?it was released only 1 month ago?
>>579007989Go at night
>>579007862a lot of /agdg/ have a lot in common with chinks in general.money obsessed, short-cut obsessed goblins
>>579007327>end of historyYou mean being in the golden age of being forever immortalized as the very beginning of the digital age where your work will live forever
>>579008587>no money>no family>no chance for either>but you made a game that's been played by 300 people
Ngl starting to feel like I'm going to make it
>>579008951yes and history is a family tree that continues to grow, there's only billions alive right now
>>579009014but at what point are you with your game?
>>579009638
>>579009723based
does your game
yes
>>579008587>have idea>check if it exists>either it does or someone else is building it with $20M+ in fundingMy ideas used to be 50/50 but now they’re 0/100 for this.
Umm excuse me. This is the GOLDEN AGE
>>579010889its the fucking piss in your puke age
>>579010543it's great isn't it
I'm gonna vibe code an app to transcribe a MIDI file.
>>579010889True though, there's never been a better time to be a game developer. Just make a good game and oyu're guaranteed to make money.
do you sometimes look at your art and think "wow... this looks much worse than I expected... I think I want to quit game dev... forever."and then you come back to it a few days later and you're like"oh this isn't all that bad"
>3 games; same week, same thing in common: small teams, all developed quickly, all best sellershttps://store.steampowered.com/app/4594150/Sir_We_Have_an_Orc_Problem/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4421010/Bills_Must_Be_Paid/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3934270/How_Many_Dudes/
>>579011198I don't do art, I buy assets and design my game around simple assets. If you're bothering with bottlenecking your project by working on the art yourself you're not gonna make it.
>>579010889stay blackpilled then i don't care about you
>>579011198By the way, writing has the opposite effect.You think you're hot shit, but when you read your own sentences a few days later you just cringe to yourself.
Steam should work the other way around. People should vote on games they want and then gabe would personally pay you out of his pocket to have your game on Steam since he's getting a cut from sales anyway.
>>579011589or u can ask ur parents for $100
>>579011198uh oh filtie
>>578994608>>578994796>ship game on steam>it flops>employ pic-related
>>579012212>it flops>become homeless because no source of income
>>579011447huh what, I'm not blackpilled I'm GOLDPILLED
>>579012271not a problem in countries where parents love their children
>>579012350such as
>>579012271>falling for the moving out and paying your own bills meme
>>579012506how do you bring girls over living with parents
>>579011213I didn't get into game dev to make games where you smash piggy banks over and over. The gamer cattle can go fuck themselves.
so there is a thing called gimbal lock I was about to go insane
>>579012420Literally any country that's not America or in Western Europe. I hate to say it's but parents kicking out their children as early as 18 is predominately a White person thing. Niggers and Latinx will have multiple generations leaving in the same household for years.
>>579012707word, these people are so lucky
>>579012707it's a holdover from the 1950s that's finally ending now that shits ridiculous everywhere
>>579012978unrionically they are
>>579000739>the only progress posted in 2 hoursgrim
>>579012619Babe no don't be like that babe.
>>579012619you need to make slop to have the privilege of creating your dream game
got any recommended nice sfx packs?
>>579011213I'm playing the demos right now. I must learn the ways of the slop.
>>5790112134th thing in common, they look like shit.
>>579013547use AI
>>579014084Surely you have a good looking game that made more than $2 milly?
>>579014204>Surely you have a good looking game that made more than $2 milly?
>>579014204I made a website that made more than that every year, it and this are still slop.I want to make something that it’s possible to be proud of.
gamers like the wrong gameswomen are attracted to the wrong menthis world is all wrong
>>579014204My game made $6000
Today I will study implementing an STT system for transcribing the TTS for viseme generation for my game.
>>579014562It's natural selection, gamecel.
>>579014562Chaos reigns desuSuccess and evil are the same thing
>>579014562That's why it's called clown world, everything is the opposite of what it should be.
>>579011345AI art assets, get with the times
>>579014441>be webdev>work on client website for company that makes millions"Yeah I did that, I made a website that makes millions of dollars. That was me."DELULU
>>579015648It was my site that I made alone…
>>579015909link?
just purchased a better mouse for gamedevvan and vidya. went for an expensive one as a little incentive yay
>>579015909No it was my website. I made it by myself.
>>579016216I hope I won't ever need a new one, Microsoft stopped making the one I use.
>be me>friendless girlfriendless jobless>excess male wizard, zero value>Friday night>rotting in my childhood bedroom making a game no one cares abouthow did I end up like this? I didn't do any drugs or commit any crimes. I haven't been lazy. I just worked on wrong things with an all-or-nothing reward structure and I got nothing and now I'm doing the ultimate all-or-nothing thing
>>579016216It does make a huge difference not just for gaming. Got myself nice new keyboard and mouse and now just using the computer feels awesome.
>>579016516its thursday night
>>579016516Many such cases.
>>579016516You were a man of inaction, refusing to just make a decision to go out and meet people and participate in activities, and likely you've been raised by a single mother.
>>579016516Starving artist syndrome.
>>579016516>I didn't do any drugs or commit any crimesYou little bitch.
>>579016516It's Thursday.
>>579016693>tfw I went out and met people and still ended up just like him
>>579017036Short or bald?
>help me I'm making a game that nobody wantsKeep hearing this. Like from the food blogger. Make a prototype and show it to the internet and confirm if it's worth doing. Knowingly making a flop is just another form of self harm. You want to end up lying in bed curled up feeling sad for yourself. You're scared of success.
>>579016516You're looking at it all wrong.>be me>friendless boyfriendless jobless>all the time in the world>watch fun videos>cozy dev all day>learn new stuff>no commitments>easy to save money and have time to myself>in my family's home>easy to stay connected to family and be there for themSure, some things could be better, but I'm living pretty good.
>>579013175some say its the last we will ever see
>>579016516kek, based post
>>579016516You could change it if you tried, you might be miserable but you're comfortable.
>>579017107how old are you
>>579017072>or
>>579017328"Wizard" age.
>>579017107Gay or tran?If gay,N HH
I put in the time and I think I got this anime face stuff down now.
why did it fail agdg?
>>578913668: Hirdrih Technologic ::progress :: Almost done with the galleries but expect some shit like bad grammar.Greklovick was one of the last settings because of how much material it has but the way how the gallery is handled made it so Brinkaedea has one more image in comparison, in image count terms.The images are formatted weirdly already anyway but I have some ideas on how a gallery could be done in a third game.
>>579018880retarded dopameme addicts made indie devs think they could freely start selling newgrounds shovelware
>>579018880>why did it fail agdg?
>>579018880Brutal, my game is similar and I'm now dreading I'll get same bad reviews.
Why was it satisfying to see a game about feeding a black hole do well, but equally satisfying to see the current 3 games flop hard?
>>579019171the black hole game was somewhat original and well done, the three flops are quickly vibecoded trash
>>579018967They can, this is just not the right kind of shovelware.
>>579018880The art would instantly make me not buy it, or even pirate it.
$31m sales btw
>>579019803very nice, now let's see those refunds
>>579019803game?
my games are worse than competition but better than them if that makes sense
>>579019803why care about what plebs think when you can just take their money
>>579019803maybe making a bad game is the new meta, make something so bad that people talk about it negatively everywhere which by extension markets your game because people want to see for themselves if it's truly that bad
>>579019171People are generally very selfish and unenlightened.They see something they can relate to and cheer for it, hoping they'll get there themselves.A struggling gamedev getting the sales that he deserves. I want that to happen to me!But now that he's successful, your sympathy dries up and it's harder to relate, so the primal urge to see your competition fail takes over and starts crabbing.
>followed development of a game for years cause I liked the art style>looks extremely promising, got featured and made the rounds on social media multiple times>finally get released>doesn't break 1000 sales>see dev hopelessly try to shill the game afterwards with 0 engagementthis shit is just heartbreaking and it's not even my gamemeanwhile friendslop will make someone a millionaire cause some streamer played it for a couple of days and it becomes the FOTMI'd probably kms desu
>>579020806post the game
>>579020806What game?But yeah there’s no relationship between success and quality anymore in the age of short form content and friendslop and Roblox.
>>579019803>Ugh waiter the turd on my plate is too stinky get me a fresh one!
>>579020806>heartbreaking how this dev I followed couldn't get sales>can't even bother to name itkys. all vagueposters need to be hanged
BETZ MAKE THE THREAD ALREADY
OH MY HECKIN C SHARP MICROSOFT NET UNITY SLOP PERSONAL LOISENS
>>579022427i look like this and say things like this
>>579022296https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTomMm61Ixw
cool stuffhttps://x.com/luccacerf/status/2092709427967136102
aggybros our response?
>>579022609NOT YET
>>579022890bro be spittin facts :100:
>>579022890its true
>>579022890 my response is: what 5 games is xer talking about?
>>579022890the same 5 gamesthe same 5 gamesthe gamer cattle keep buying the same 5 games
>>579023258fake boomer shooterdark souls clone*vaniazelda clone discount mascot 3d platformer
>bite-sized>comfy>cozy>puzzle>platformer
I love AI.https://x.com/TokenGremlin/status/2092855492045418583
>>579023586My guess would be:>"bullet heaven" [vampire survivors]>friendslop>"numbers go up" gambling type game>horror or creepy game>increment slopBonus for>"organizing game"
>>579023809>sloppers be like: YOOOO THIS Mat4f.translate() BE HIGHKEY FIRE
To every indie dev checking other people’s wishlist numbers:Stop.That’s not your scoreboard.Someone else’s 10K wishlists doesn’t mean your game is worse.It just means they started showing it earlier.Your only job right now is simple:Make something worth wishing for.Keep building.Keep improving.Keep going—even when nobody is watching.The numbers come after the game exists.
>>579023809I'm starting to notice this myself. Sol and Fable are both great at different things and cover each other's weaknesses well.
>>579024168There needs to be a word for the new emotion, the mixture of rage and disappointment of realizing something you’re reading is LLM generated in a context where you didn’t prompt it.
>>579024168>Make something worth wishing for.ai has more sovl than /agdg/
>>579024168>The numbers come after the game exists.No they don't
>>579023809Looks like shit unironically
>>579022890>hiding the 2 likes so nobody can see what a pathetic salty post this is that nobody agrees withCrabs love to protect eachother like this.
https://x.com/SebastienGllmt/status/2092634841863123047
>>579023586>fake boomer shooterWhat you say when crying about nuns n guns>zelda cloneWhat you say when crying about kanna>discount mascot 3d platformerWhat you said when bullying Osh because watching his Mario64 clone get love in /v/ made you seethe
>>579022890People keep buying the same 5 games so its right to do if you care about making money
>>579024665Divine comedy
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