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>>579129197I've noticed pre-paid credit cards are hit and miss on most sites. Best Buy, Humble Bundle, and Amazon tend to usually accept them. Stores like Target and Walmart not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFxekSrrjIBe honest, is this music good enough for a game?
>>5791465852014 braid clone low poly indieslop
>>579146585I'm glad you're still living up to your title as the Schizo of Stagnation. You still haven't improved after all these years. All is right with the world.
>>579146585cris you obviously understand music theory well enough but have you studied structure?
>>579146837I'm kinda getting it.That song has Intro-ABAB-Coda.
Imagine being Notch and already rich but then throwing a tantrum and selling away your IP in a fit to a company that might just DEI it. Kek couldn't be me.
>>579147126I’d sell my IP for like $200k much less a billion
earning 2 billion dollars is throwing a tantrum now
>>579147126Me neither, I'd rather be like Gaben
>>579146585depends on the gameit has its place in a retarded fucked up game or something
>>579148256It's a new milestone in my skills.Most of the improvements come from overall polish and the menue work.
I think I mostly have to finish things up tomorrow. At least for now
https://x.com/valigo/status/2093348871346774133
>>579146585yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddbxFi3-UO4 I mean, if you think about it, this Bach fugue is basically a lead melody, and one counter-melody that's more like a bass, and sometimes a line that acts like a pad, or three lines that make up a chord. This shit is actually pretty modern because it's just main melody, bass, and chords.
I mean, if you think about it, a drawing is just some lines, some curves, and maybe some circles. It really doesn't even matter how you arrange them, does it?
>>579149983modern is a meme, time is a meme
Anyone stressing the fuck out that they're not gonna make it?
If you guys are getting bored of the schizo blaming everything on Betz why don't we convince him to blame everything on Shade Protocol
>>579148256is that rpgmaker?
>>579151514raylib master race
>>579150889I stress out from making it.
>>579151126qrd on shade protocol? dev getting uppity or?
>downsizing my belongings>found my lua programming book I bought to learnTime to restart my education
>>579152115A parasocial loser here likes to obsess over random twitter devs who make better looking games than he can ever hope to.
chainposts are the new hashtags right? anybody ever joined one?
>>579152115it's a long story but they kicked my dog
>>579152402shade protocol does look good. I aspire to put out that level one day
>>579152115it's a very slow burn kino kind of schizo drama but as far as I can tell they primed somebody into being a stalker and got scared when he stalked them as they wanted
I made a successful game and yet I still feel empty inside.What now?
>>579152980You feel empty because you subconsciously know that you didn't actually succeed and that you're just coping and rationalizing.
>>579152980post your successful game and then we'll see
>>579152980wasteland bites real food truck franchises. go irl.
>>579152968You think somebody would do that? Prime somebody into being a stalker? Use cryptology to leave clues and call it an ARG then say it never happened? Use a lawyer they legally deny knowing to imply they're ripping off his concepts to send him into an autism fit with incomplete statements and unverifiable legal advice? Call the nono and delete it? Leave hints in the trailers? Tell him to find god so they can wipe their hands clean if he kills himself when it all comes crashing down?That sure sounds like a very roundabout, deniable way to go about things that's built to discredit somebody professionally and socially for very little gain. It would be almost impossible to prove, in fact.
>>579153158>desire to become the most that one can beThe problem with this is that if you’re a high potential person you’re just turbofucked because you can always have done better than you did.
>>579156930This sounds like Shade Protocol trying to NLP us away from blaming them.
>>579156930>>579157851Fuck Betz. Fuck Shade Protocol.I'm blaming >>579153189This Guy.
>>579152980make more games until you die (like a regular wagie)
>>579152980Normal feeling, I have worked as a wagie in AA/AAA and it's not like succeeding suddenly makes you happier.You can be unhappy if basic needs and some wants aren't met, but beyond that you're not going to get much happier unless you work on your own mental issues.
>>579148657>tfw Sweden has 45+ days of time offbros if i'm gonna be a wagie for life why don't i just move there and if my game shows promise move back so as to keep maximum amounts of profits?
I sometimes wish I wasn't such an apple rotator.
>>579148657>>579160193The reason Sweden sucks is that they imported too many shitskins and the country now has shitskin ghettos where police cannot keep the order. The country is being lost, slowly but it seems inevitable. Swedes are such cucks that they can't resist. They won't pick up arms to defend their home. Their leadership hates the Swedes as much as kikes hate whites. I'm not sure how bad it is for the rest of Europe. My country hasn't been lost to the shitskins yet but I see a worrying amount of them when I am outside. I don't think there is a peaceful ending to this immigration policy. They will not integrate. They would rather turn the countries they go to into shitholes like their home country. That's the way of the shitskin.
>>579153158>tfw even if figure out money from games to cover safety needs>I will never sort out love and belonging
i was going deep into the black hole that is physics to fix some small issues that kept creeping up and the code was getting more and more bloated as more and more issues kept showing upso i went back and undid it all for something far simpler. still a lot to tweak and change but at least its very driveable and the amount of tuning knobs is still quite reasonable, lots of work ahead
>>579162637>reproduction is on the bottom level>congenitally sterile
>>579154291Oh, but they do gain. They gain narrative. They gain social cohesion. They gain the meme.
>>579153158This pyramid is bullshit.
>>579163140sweet as
>>579163259you will have to reproduce via your games being copied
>>579163259I studied psychology, that pyramid is basically a meme. It's been disproven many times and updated, to keep it simple: that's not how human needs work
Friendly reminder that around 100 million people have sex alone EACH DAY. Having sex is quite literally 1,000,000 times easier than releasing a game on Steam. If you can't even have sex, how the FUCK do you think you're going to be able to make a game?
Sex is so overrated, like it's actually so fucking surreal once you realize it
>>579165602Maybe you just had bad sex. Its bretty gud if its with an attractive woman who's into it
>>579165679I didn't say it was bad, I said it's overrated
>>579164047Genuinely yes, it’s super annoying because I always get treated like I’m “le evil workaholic making them look bad” by breeders that can’t get it through their head that this is all I have.
>>579165858I know. I said you had bad sex because you think it's overrated
>>579165442How do you have sex alone?
>>579166002Have you ever tried not being alone?
Yes getting high and watching cartoons all day is prog, its called getting inspiration
>>579165679>Its bretty gud if its with an attractive woman who's into itthat requires her to be into you which means like 80% of men don't qualify
>>579166621I believe all /agdg/ devs are handsome Chads
Does anyone else google character design ideas they think up to make sure they didn't actually copy one without realizing it
>>579167681No. Everything has been done before, its 2026. Also I came up with a regent like character about a year ago and then slay the spire 2 released the regent which looks a lot like my design. Shit happens
>>579167681yeah. I went as far as reverse searching my concept art, and asking AI if it looks like something
>>579167745>Everything has been done before, its 2026not every combo thoWhere is chinchorro mummy inspired astronaut suit full of sentient baked beans?
>>579167681some normoids will think you copied something even when you didn't and often what they think you copied won't even look the sameone of those desktop idle games got complaints for copying the UI of another game but they were from the same developer
>>579168110how do I make a game that repels normoids?I was on x and saw a screenshot fucking retard claiming he thought a dev used AI because there were too many music tracks.
>>579168303>how do I make a game that repels normoids?make a roguelite
>>579152980Should of gotten on that gf grind
>>579168303>how do I make a game that repels normoids?you gotta make something complex with depth and where the player has to learn the game to succeed
>>579166896I'm bald, it's over for me. Good thing this gamedev thing takes up all your time if you want it to.
>>579168303No romance.That’s it.That’s all you have to do.(You won’t, because you are a norman).
>>579169241the game in question Hocus Focus has no romance. it's like a lofi-girl thing as game(hence lots of music)
>>5791683031. ASCII graphics2. have to launch via a terminal
>>579169468*
i think the reason i can't find anything to play is because games try too much and have become too weird and complicated. and the games that try to focus are too ugly. i think the best combo is simple gameplay with a nice theme/art direction/soundtrack.man i know this is a shitty over-simplified opinion to have, but it's the only way i can explain why i reject so many games.maybe an example would be mmorpgs. in an old mmorpg i spawn in some random town, i have 0 gear and 0 gold. i have no quest markers. i just start walking around, maybe going out of town, killing some monsters getting gold and gear. finding some npcs that give me kill quests. that's it. it's very simple.nowadays, i join an mmorpg, i have to do a whole tutorial quest first. then i get told to go there and there and walk from npc to npc. levels of mobs scale with you. stuff is hidden behind weird mechanics (can't just get rare loot dropped, you have to craft it or unlock it with other weird mechanics where you have to gather a lot of shit), most of the time you don't even know how anything works. then the map also has no clear progression, you are supposed to go "anywhere you want". ofc it's still managable to understand everything, but it feels like extra steps are added to everything that is just annoying.maybe it's true that old mmorpgs had problems that need to be fixed, but maybe it all just went in the wrong direction. that it isn't fixed by putting more stuff into it.ah fuck it man, what the hell is wrong with gaming? someone needs to find out... maybe its just that devs are fucking scared? e.g. no dev would try to make an mmorpg with an end goal that resets the server when the final boss was killed (sword art online like) - or they wouldn't dare to make role-based games again where a healer really is a healer only, cause they want player self-agency. maybe the "fix" is brutal gamedesign decisions that are scary. e.g. 2b2t gets so much attention on youtube
Exhausted. Had a terrible day and have a slight headache but I did get progress done. Since a lot of my system now need to be automated, that's what I worked on. Reworked one script a lot. Very little issues in the end, one bug and one poor design to fix. I'm tired of the hardships in life and gamedev.
>>579169841It’s because games are too long now. Which is because of Skyrim creating a map size arms race.I’ve had much more fun lately just once a month or two playing something front to back in a weekend or even a single day, that’s less than 15 or 20 hours of total runtime. The decisions and failure modes can be extreme because the whiny people can just play again or reload and have the stupid smooth-corners experience they want.Game stores need to add a filter for runtime. They haven’t added it because they (1) are too lazy to deal with edge cases like match/online games not having a runtime, and (2) they mistakenly think people have zero desire for short games and infinite appetite for infinitely long games, because the “community” is full of unemployed and college-age Redditors that talk about insane nonsense like the “hours per dollar” of a game.
>>579163140driving is probably one of the easiest genres to find the fun, then you only have to draw the rest of the owl.
>>579170624matches my point that maybe devs are scared.to some degree schedule 1 actually hit the nail "just jump in, plant some drugs, sell them, progress".also imagine running an arcade with modern games, you'd need to give people a 2 hour tutorial how to play the game before they can start. back then you just sit in the seat and start driving laps. or just start pressing two buttons in street fighter.the thing is also that i just want to fucking have fun and chill when gaming.
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>>579171409scared of the 2 hour refund window. arcade games are rarely over an hour til credits
>>579171409Yeah I think that fear is where all the billion endings and meta-post-ending ng+ stuff like slay the princess comes from. They can’t just commit to a tight story and they overthink it.
>>579169671AI derangement syndrome is getting worse on both sides
>>579172235I don't use AI but I'm considering just not reading or replying to any accusations. I don't have time for this bullshit.
>>579172321The one thing I’ve learned from building public facing stuff is to completely ignore anything that isn’t a bug report. People that give unsolicited feedback are retarded and evil, and will influence you to do retarded and evil things if you listen to them.
>>579169841>but maybe it all just went in the wrong directionIt absolutely did. Starting with WoW MMORPGs focused on making it a handheld experience where the player can't get lost. They baby the player every step of the way and shove huge indicators on their face for whatever they're supposed to be doing at the time. They killed the sense of adventure and wonder that old MMORPGs had. I think that applies to AAA games as well in a more general sense and indies have also been going through some dumbing down to reach a wider audience. >maybe its just that devs are fucking scared?That's definitely part of it. The larger the budget the less likely they are to experiment. Even in the indie space a lot of devs go and copy instead of trying to do anything different. Very few have the balls to be different. Some of those who do end up creating new trends, new meta.
gamedev is like art. people just want a nice looking painting for their living room, yet the artist wants to do something ground breaking.gamers just want a chill fun time, yet the dev wants to revolutionize ground breaking blahmaybe "i just wanted to restore childhood memories with that game" is a good middle ground.
>>579174638I think it's the opposite these days.Players want interesting, and devs just keep churning out doctor's office paintings.
>>579174638Game dev is art…I just want to make a comfy fox game
>>579174638I want to push my skills. that may result in breaking ground, but it's not my aim.
Happy 29th anniversary of Judgment Day. I haven't eaten any sweets (or had sugary drinks) in 3 weeks. That's a victory of sorts, even if one that left me with nothing to look forward to.62 days left, I owe 40 hours of work. Yesterday I was completely ineffective. I was making an art asset that I'd reasonably expect to work 20-30 minutes on, but it took 5 hours and it still doesn't look acceptable. So that's what I'll continue wrestling with today.
>I'm a beginner -> I should make a very simple project -> I really should add a bunch of stuff to this, the idea is kinda cute, but won't get even one download with this basic execution -> it's now a complicated project -> I should make a very simple projectI'm reminded why elegant solutions are so appreciated, they're far harder to think of. How do I get out of this cycle? Are there any ultra-simple genres that are still played at least a little bit?
>>579175991>i need my first project to blow up and be wildly successfulmodern indie-dev brainrot
>>579175991incrementals and vslikes are among the simplest of games you can make in the current meta that's why they're so popular
Tried combolands.I have an issue with the stats. your basic stat is points. basic buildings give points.but then they add boost buildings that aid basic buildings.then they add buildings that give you two subresources, and other buildings that use tier 2 buildings to trigger themselves, and gain points.I don't like this stat spam complexity for the sake of it. I don't think measuring 5 types of stats and searching for the most optimized spot on the map doing mental calculus is fun.
>>579175991you're gonna have to write some docs before you start doing any work and then strictly hold yourself to the docs. so you don't expand the scope too much.
what's the best DAW for poorfags?
>>579177018you can pirate any one you want.We both know you're not selling anything, anytime soon
>>579177071has to be legal. bilibili requires i don't infringe on rights of others or the trademarks, copyrights, likeness rights, design rights, patents, or other rights of the company or third parties.
>>579177290thats quite rich from a chink company, but i guess you're left with Reaper
>>579147126>Imagine being Notch and already rich but then throwing a tantrum and selling away your IPThe difference between 800 millions and 6 billions is huge dude.
>>579177351i'll take what i can get, at least they won't C&D me over a fangame.
>>579177290A daw exports files without watermark information. someone may be able to recognize instruments used, but they can never tell the instrument or DAW was pirated. the only way to get caught doing this is admitting it.
>>579170369It will all be worth it in the end.
every game has been ruined by gamers
>>579165442Releasing a game on Steam is my only path to sex.
>>579169841>gamercattle drivel
this "indie dev faux-ivory tower hating their players" meme is getting old
>>579176157I'll look into them. Interesting that VSlikes are still popular, the original released around 4 years ago.>>579176216Yeah, you're probably right, the problem is that there is so much to gain, both in quality and attention, from adding more features, especially when there's so much competition that your game might just not be seen by anyone. The ideas I have wouldn't really work without a lot of work too.>>579176127>>i need my first project to blow up and be wildly successfulNot at all, I'd just like to not fling my game into the market with absolutely zero chances to succeed, I feel like I wouldn't really gain any valuable experience from that.
>>579178437>not fling my game into the marketthis is also what i'm talking about. Why do you have to sell everything you make? Some games can and should just be learning projects.
>>579177765Explain to me how that's going to work. t. fellow non-sex haver.
>>579178437>Yeah, you're probably right, the problem is that there is so much to gain, both in quality and attention, from adding more featuresno that's not the right way of looking at things. more does not make things automatically better. you need to get into the mindset of making things elegant instead. like you can probably think of a billion things to add to vampire survivors that sounds cool but wouldn't actually matter in the end. games should be built around constraints and rules, not about how much shit you think you can fit into it.
>>579177765There are ugly fat fucks having sex all over the world right now and they didn't need a hit game on steam to do it
>>579177765
>girl asks what i do for a living>send her a screenshot of my successful 200+ review game on steam>she sends me a peach and eggplant emoji heh, it's really that easy
Suffer the pain of discipline.Or suffer the pain of regret.
>>579179380If you fail you can suffer both at once
>>579179380Why don’t you suffer the pain of getting a personality
>>579179380ADHD and discipline don't go together. ever.
>>579179582they do when you accept that discipline means ignoring the ADHD impulses
>>579179582ADHD people can be very driven when they find something they like
>>579179763... for a week or so, before burning out.
>>579179853It gets milder as you ageIve been diagnosed with ADHD and I work on my game almost every freeday I have
I wonder if this anon made it yet
>>579178881You're actually right about that, I can get lost in my ideas without thinking through how they would actually work in reality.>>579178505Maybe that's right too, I could start with less ambitious projects. My thinking though, is that if it gets absolutely no attention, it's kinda shovelware and I'm not learning anything from it that I couldn't learn from just working on my skills without making a game.
>>579180887they're all dead anon
slop formula: positive feedback every 10 secondsthat's all you need
>>579178437>Interesting that VSlikes are still popularthere's a couple big hits in the genre every year and a bunch of 100-500 review onesthe quality bar has certainly gone up
>>579180013>It gets milder as you ageAnd so does your ability to focus on things. At least in my experience. I am more able to force myself to do necessary things but it is also more difficult to get excited over anything. Suppose my dopamine receptors are that fried at this point.
>>579180013>It gets milder as you age... then so does hyperfocus lol
>>579182307>thenwhy would it?I havent lost my hyperfocus
>>579177018LLMS
my urge to dev seems to be simply from wanting my own version of existing games that took a direction that i don't like. but it seems like a bad urge, cause it's not really an urge to dev, it's basically an urge to play that gets redirected to fixing what i want to play.i keep thinking so often to just rip the game files and make my own version, but what's the point of putting so much work into something that you can't even share for free cause of copyright issues?
>>579182579interesting, sounds like you would enjoy moddingmy urge to dev comes from the intrinsic desire to make cool ideas i have for games become realthink of a cool idea, make it reali need money to sustain this though, i enjoy gamedev enough to aspire for it to be a full time pursuit
Making from memory all the music motives I remember.Any musicfag that tells me which one am I missing?
>>579182579>but it seems like a bad urgeit's what spawned most of the "classics". Go watch old interviews and the devs will be like>yeah we really loved playing X and thought it'd be cool if you could Y
>>579183074true for league of legends, it was casual ripoff of dota, which was in itself a warcraft 3 mod
>>579183215And Warcraft was a rip-off of Dune II
>>579183310interesting, i didn't know that
>>579182989sadly the games i'd want to mod don't have modding tools/communities
>>579153158you only need God
>you only need to become a philosophical zombie and outsource your existence
>boot up fresh unreal install>make new project>it fills up all my 32gbs of ram + 24 gb paging fileseriously man this engine is not "bad", but the 5% of it that is bad is REALLY bad (filesystem is the worst of all)it always takes like 10 minutes of opening unreal to remind me why i stopped using itit's sad cause it has really good built-in features that are very game-oriented (cause they use it themselves)
>>579177018>>579182539I meant LMMS
>>579183024I wish there were some kind of notation system for writing down music
It's amazing how I can live in this superimposed double state of "this is terrible, I'm never hitting 10 reviews" and "this is amazing, I'm GMI for sure".
>>579185868I'm literally using piano roll notation, chud.
Why do you even want to make video games if you hate the process and hate working towards your goal?
>>579186062I couldn't find a job and it's the only way I was able to make money
>>579183024Yeah you're missing some motives I can think of-The Lick-The Mitsuda Lick (Lick, Japan)-Canon in D-Footloose-Never Gonna Give You Up-Under Pressure-The Star Wars Theme-The Zelda Theme-Jingle Bells-The ABCs-Ba Ba Black Sheep-Twinkle Twinkle Little StarThat's just the tip of the ice berg, this list would go on forever if I started naming niche ones like the town theme from Dragon Quest 2.
My stupid brain won’t let the gaussian splats thing go so I’m wasting another day on that even though so far it still literally looks worse and takes more compute.
>>579186147So you've actually made enough money by making a game to survive? That's good to hear! Can you tell me more about your venture?
>>579184990It’s 28 years old. It’s ripe for disruption just by virtue of being too bloated in codebase terms to keep up if there’s some sudden leap forward in graphics that doesn’t fit in with the current paradigms.
>>579185954You are misusing it. See:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq3bUFgEcb4
>>579186519>muh mitwit videothere's multiple types of music notation, chud.piano notation is as valid as tradtional or medieval notation.
>>579145763Archtower progress 1/21) Added Lv 25 tinctures for chemistry users2) Epic quality crystals for bracelets now have one additional bonus more:Red - Armor Penetration;Orange - Melee Retaliation;Yellow - Dodge;Green - Skill Cooldown Reduction;Blue – Energy Cost;Purple – Energy Shield;Turquoise – Combat Experience.
if ai can make artifact free production ready art (including animations, modular characters etc) at an affordable monthly sub, then i will make my dream game
>>579186976wrong img
>>579186976>>579187109Archtower progress 2/23) Added an Armour Penetration prefix (applies to physical damage from weapon attacks and skills)4) Working on unique appearances of crafted gear for the wardrobe
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XE7vtOeQqbk>craftsmanship is knowing how to work>art is knowing when to stop>knowing when to stop is going to be a very difficult thing for AI because it is tasteben affleck explains why AI won't be able to design good gamesit is also why AI art has that problem of getting overbaked with detailsit doesn't have taste so it struggles to stop when it should
>>579187434It’s not even that deep, ai cannot get over sameface syndrome
>>579187664i don't play any new mmorpg for longer than 10 minutes before i quit because its bullshit lol. i'm keep playing on private servers.also i play games since 90s so be quiet newfag.
>>579178696>make a game so good that it can make two women fall in love with you>put it on Steam so they can see it and wait for them to message you>meet up and have sex with them>>579179039I'm not ugly and fat so I don't have that ugly bastard mojo to get into pants
>>579187994i can't tell if that pic is ai generated
>>579186837The video talks about piano roll notation and multiple other types notations, and explains how each type of notation is suitable for some purposes and unsuitable for others. In this case you are misusing piano notation for something it is not suitable for.
>>579188172It’s not just generated it’s ChatGPTslop
>>579188674Meth actually
>>579152980YOU NEED HEALTH + MONEY + GOOD PUSSY IN YOUR LIFEALL THREE ARE MANDATORYIF YOU GOT ONLY 1 OR 2 OF THE 3, YOU WILL NEVER BE HAPPY
In playtests of my roguelite game, I've found that there's often choices that make me pissed off that I was offered them due to how dogshit they are so my plan for today is to play the game with only dogshit choices and figure out how to make them as appealing as the good choices.
>>579168303just make a game without AI and put a big disclaimer that it was made entirely with AI
I just want my games to earn me enough money to buy a small shack and a good enough PC to play Elder Scrolls VI and GTA VI, that's all I want from life
>>579187664>autistic vision of making an MMO (the hardest possible thing to make) with hardcore gamer chungus valuesjust make an Ultima Online private server if you have that goal
>>579189989I want a small shack (Japan)
i want to live in a dense city with lots of people and lots of restaurants and want to get paid well for working with nice co-workers and in a nice climate that doesn't burn me out. i want to have many friends and a strong social net.
You shouldn't have to learn game design. Your game design knowledge should come from tens of thousands of play time of others' games.
>>579190867agreed
>>579190867people already spend thousands of hours playing games and learn shit from it
>>579190867consoomers != creators
>>579183024I call this one 1,2,3you play 1,2,3 foreverlike an arpeggio but without chordsshit's cash
it's literally impossible to make a major hit like schedule 1 without studying game design, art, programming and marketing.
>>579190867I can do both and be superior to anyone that only does one
I need to start trimming the tech forest, manufacturing got out of hand
how to price your gaem?
>>579191529make it really expensive so you become a billionaire even if you only sell a few copies
>>579191529buy a crystal ball or find an oracle.only somewhat clever answer i can give you: think about the target age group. if it's younger people, make it cheaper, if it's older people, (you can) make it pricier.
I have a small game with a lot of replayability that offers anywhere from 3 to 30 hours of gameplay depending if you're a dopamine addict or not, what should I price it?
>>579191529“We had this joke of, like, how much is a game really? In a player’s mind, what does it mean to spend five bucks? Well, that’s five bucks. But six bucks? Well, that’s still five bucks. Four bucks is also kind of five bucks. Three bucks is two bucks. And two bucks is basically free.“So we’ve got these tiers: You know, twelve bucks… that’s ten bucks. But thirteen bucks is fifteen bucks. “And we found that eight bucks is still five bucks. It doesn’t become ten bucks. Seven ninety nine, that’s five bucks, right?“So, eight bucks going to five bucks is the biggest differential we could find in pricing, so we found it very optimal.”
>>579191529>>5791917145 dollars
>>579191870yeah that worked for peak and I already thinking about pricing my game that magical number 8, but still..
>STORE PAGE NOT LIVEGABEEEEEEEEEE
>>579191870>>579191875so 7.99?
>>579191989how far along in development is your game? like at what percentage of completion?
>>5791921364.99 for a small game, 7.99 for a medium game, and 14.99 for a big game
>>579192150I guess at 30 percent, why?
>>579192258I'd say at this point you should be thinking about how to make your game rather than how to price it, assuming you're the anon who asked how to price his game
>need to wait 6 months for store page to go live>dont have screenshots yet>by the time the screenshots are able to be made the game is like 70% finishedthis is a problem
>>579192258ok but it is a small game, I can finish it in 2 months max.
>>579192616>use wip screenshots>get page approved>update the screenshots afterwards?
>>579167681If you follow enough artists on social media, you'll inevitably see many who are obsessed with a character from a show/game they like, and then they make an "original character" who is essentially the character they liked mashed with some other thing. But at least they tweak the design a little, unlike the Chinese.
>>579176127>no you cant dream of success that is reserved for AAA and rich indie devs only!Hobby dev brainrot
>>579190867The kind of shit Sakurai would tell you before saying there's no shame in giving up
>my best ideaguy isn't posting his progress anymoreNext patch will be optimizations and refactoring
>>579191870What’s crazy is that 16 bucks is 20 bucks.
1 year is way too long of a dev time. You need to cast the die much more frequently than that if want a realistic chance at striking gold.
>>579197120Im about a year in and we expect itll take 2 more years to finish
>>579197120I'm just having some fun man
>>57919712010 years or bust
>>579197338Something is bottlenecking you. Asset creation likely.
>>579197556The coder is kinda slow. I do all the animations and art etcright now Im ahead of him, but once he finishes the items its smooth sailing for him while itll take my ages to finish all the art
progress
>>579197862nice rock
>>579187994skill issue
If I don't fix my model soon with a good rig so I can texture it properly im gonna hang myself. Asset creation is destroying my will to dev.
>>579145763How early is too early to reveal my game to the world when I fear cloners might copy it? It is an idea that a small team or talented individual could clone anywhere from 3-18 months. I don't want to take too long and reduce potential attention for it but I also don't want to unveil it too soon and risk a better clone beating me to release. What a sticky situation I'm in >.<!!!
>>579198635
>>579198635As soon as possible, then if it gets stolen you murder them in a really grotesque way and it’ll give you a ton of free advertising.
>>579198635If you don't want the risk of someone cloning your game you cannot release it at all. Even if you only reveal it at release, someone might clone it after release.
>>579199176this. you need to protect it like your virginity.
>>579198635it's a concern that is theoretically valid but if you look at the big picture>chances of your game ever being finished * chances of it being good enough to be successful * chances of it being cloned * chances of the clone hurting youit's not something you should be worrying about. it's like a 40 year old virgin being worried about divorcerape
>>579197862nice slime
>>579197862remove the edge pixels on the top
Hey there guys. I'm 29 and I work on a job that puts me in the 2% richest of my country (though it would be 25% poorest in USA, lol). Game dev isn't a real possibility around here, but that's what I've always wanted to do, even since I was 7 and was asked, for the first time, what I wanted to be when I grew up. Now that I have food and living expenses covered up, I can maybe take it as a hobby.I work something like 52 hours a week, maybe more, so I don't have much free time at all. I want to start making some prototypes, some simple stuff to have fun and get some fundamentals going. Maybe some day in the future, when I'm 50 years old and broken I can make a nice game then.So what engine should I use? I'd prefer to not learn coding for now since I don't have much time. I've made levels in Little Big Planet 2 and some simple games on Dreams (PS4) before, so I'm used to visual programming. Could you guys recommend me somewhere I can start? Should I use godot, gdevelop, construct, unity? Or should I just jump into UE5 blueprints so I can have a higher ceiling?>tl;dr recommend me an engine with visual scripting for a complete beginner with no coding background and give me general tips on gamedeving please
>>579200873scratch
>>579198635I mean the chances of someone seeing your game and being intrigued enough to actually dedicate months to cloning it should indicate to you that you have something worth playing, no? You already have a head start, if they end up beating you to the punch then that's kinda on you.That said there's 100's of games released everyday, you ain't that special.
Do action games with some platforming use capsule collider? my only issue is you start sliding right after the center is off collision where I'd like it to have a tiny bit of leeway. not coyote time, just imagine there's a second vertical cylinder collider with 0.1m radius.(you can't add it because its shape crosses the capsule)
>>579189014I got none of the three
Are these little puffs of dust hard to see against the path?
>>579201412no not really
>>579201412nah
>>579200873If you're playing this on the long run (+10 years), I'd just learn code. My biggest regret is wasting 2 years with UE4 blueprints before finally biting the bullet, and a lot more possibilities opened once I learned how to code normally. You can start with simple stuff like Godot's GDscript or Python or even a webgame in javascript or something. You could mess around with RPGMaker if you like those kind of games for example. But if it really seems too scary and you just want to get your feet wet, go ahead and try UE5 with blueprints. This is a years long endeavor anyway, if you'll stick with it you'll probably try every engine for at least a couple of months at some point. I know I did.
>>579190867Can you learn game design through playing games? Sure. When it comes to most wannabe devs, will they learn game design from playing games? No, probably not.To learn game design through playing it takes a different sort of approach to gaming. You have to be analytic and capable of understanding what goes on under the hood. And even if you come to form somewhat of an understanding of why a specific game feels good to you that doesn't mean you'll be able to recreate it in your game. Something as simple as attacking the enemy can be extremely hard to get right. You might think that okay it's animation, timing and feedback. But even if you understand can you implement it so that it feels good? Most can't which is why they make shitty feeling games.
>>579198635What next fest are you participating in? 2 months before that.
>>579200873Use Unity. Don't worry about your choice. Just stick with it. People will try to scare you off. Grass isn't greener. Every engine sucks in their own way. Also learn to code. Actually learn C# without Unity to get started. Focus on understanding the programming logic. You can't make anything if you don't understand the logic.
>>579201617>>579201672noice. what about them turning lighter when they get hit? there are also some sfx that play whenever a bullet collides with them.
Today I'm going to work on lipsync for my gamedev workflow
>tfw when you start to develop a soft spot for your shitty prototyping art
>>579202710ye. mini puffs too on hit if you wanna be like that. tower ranges are too intrusive, make them outlines only or something
>>579202834That's when you keep it in as an easteregg
>>579191529Tom Francis (heat signature, tactical breach wizards) just asks playtesters what price. Works every time.
Haha yeah bro I don't care that you stole my artstyle hahahahaha we're cool bro it's fine don't worry
Look at the most wishlisted but unreleased indie game. Clone it and release it before them.
>>579203531its all friendslop
I didn't want to spend 6 hours placing props on terrain so now I created a procgen biome system that's going to take me two weeks to finishWhen someone asks why I died before I could finish my game, this is why
Proggys.Posting with pic of most recently finished level, as most of the progress lately has been tedious background stuff.-Added a new item type: enchanted oil. Loading your lamp with this stuff makes it give you benefits while the lamp is lit, like lower/higher encounter rate, invis to bigger monsters, faster travel rate.-Added new item types: botanical, geological, arcane treasures. Very rare, and only found by those with guild training, extremely valuable. Can be sold for extra money, or donated to the guild for big progress and display in the shiny shit museum.-Adjusted a bunch of materials to be less reactant to level lighting, making them far more visible during low light and less big color swings.-Wrote out the logic for tracking what nodes and minibosses have been completed in a level, which causes them to not respawn for a week or two (actual period not final)-Finishing up work on save system, should be implemented fully soon.-A bunch of tedious work on transferring anims to the new playable races: Specters and Zombies. They should have the full suite of completed anims and montages now.-Added a bunch of new sfx for various footsteps on terrain, adjusted the extant ones to be less obnoxious.Pre-alpha build is stable and running well, next up is debugging all the stuff and making sure systems are working as intended.
>>579203308>playtestersno problem
>>579203880this is the first time I'm seeing this gameQRD? how long development? how far along are you?
>>579180887I'm still here and still project hopping.
My game has a shopkeeper and when you attempt to buy an item without the required funds he's going to say "fuckoff poorfag, kys"
>>579204164I haunt this place on a regular basis. Left for a little bit while it was being carpet bombed with the weird AI stuff. This is a part-time jobby for me, being done in spare time around my full time + job.QRD: Old school dungeon crawler with free movement and some town and guild management.https://3gg1.itch.io/gloamsnarl?secret=Qf9UgJcrWB2BR6inHHzHaIqc3gHow long: That one's kind hard to answer. Started futzing around with the intent to do this like 5 years ago. First two years wasn't really active development, just fucking around learning the engine and 3d modeling and texturing. Active development maybe two years, aggressively part-time tho.How far along: As of this week, it's feature complete outside of stretch goals. Needs a few few debugging passes to clean it up and an alpha demo build is around the corner.
>>579186837cris you look so much like mussolini. I just need to mention it.
>>579205293>As of this week, it's feature completevery cool
>>579203880Don't get me wrong, this looks great and you're doing a nice job, but what are all those jagged lines there? Is it an AA problem or is it from the textures?
>>579205032Are you still as confident in your chances of success?
>>579191529Can you guys genuinely not detach yourself from your game and ask "how much would I pay for this if I weren't the developer"?
>>579205293It does look cool
>>579205398Thank you.>>579205410That's a specific choice. Trying to evoke PS1 / Dreamcast type graphics with a few extra bells and whistles. Was originally going to make it N64 / 3DS, but that ended up looking like blown out taco bell lettuce ass.
>>579205576I can do that. but the problem is, I am a thirdie so I have no idea about a firstie's budget, I am also frugal
is (You)r game more fun than watching paint dry?
>>579202869Alright, so before, there would be an outline BEFORE you placed a weapon, and a full circle AFTER. I've swapped it here. I guess I could make them both outlines, but I'd like to distinguish them somehow.The cloud of dust is also a tiny bit more detailed now.
>>579206320No.
free website or browser plugin idea: make a steam price guessr
>>579206320https://youtu.be/iIHNWQcDrVs
a publisher said to us if we plan to have a publisher we shouldn't start playtests on our own, to let the publisher use that important marketing beat. is this good advice or scam?
>>579207192b-but two identical games should have the identical number of wishlists and identical sales and reviews
>>579206384I'd probably make it a dotted line for placed towers or even a "press button to see tower attack ranges" but I'm very picky about things like that....
>>579205472I don't remember how that conversation went down, but pretty much yeah. IDK if it's cheating that I'm not considering dropping prototypes as "retrying".
>>579206973There's usually multiple different types of playtests, so the verbage may be getting polluted there.It's usually:F&F Playtest: Special playtest for friends and family so they can hugbox you and make you feel happy and special.Debug / QA Playtests: This playtest is what it says on the box. Played by people to break the game so you can fix ahead of ship.Actual Playtest: This is the one your publisher probably means. Done by a selected group of people to see market viability and get feedback on what a nice mix of fans and normies have to say. Usually the last chance to get feedback and change a few things before launch. This is also usually where they send it out to the gaming youtubers and such to drum up attention.
>>579206597As in:https://www.priceguessers.com/steam ?
>>579188629and how do I magically write in notations I don't know how to write, chud?
>the self proclaimed music expert doesn't even know sheet music
>>579209786I know the symbols, I don't have practice reading and writing it.
Why do we get fake fantasy gay BS like elfs, dwarnes, hobbits, but we never get actual real human species like cro magnon, autralopitecus, homo erectus, neandertals, denisovan, heidelbergensis?
>>579210757A top 5 complaint of MMOs has always been "too many samey human races"
>>579198635(・∀・) nigger I'm gonna disbar your lawyer
>Captura de pantalla
>>579210932rpgs/MMOs*
>>579211019screenshot this : nigger nigger nigger
>>579205068Can you steal and will he call you a thief if you do?
>>579209786you don't need sheet music unless you genuinely want to read/play classical pieces if you want to lift some musical snippet from Bach or whoever you can easily do so without sheet musicear is still the best tool a musician has
>>579210932less than 1% of players actually the furry races.It was a common complain of liberal devs, but less than 1% of players play non humans.
>>579213342devs need to try new ideas. We've had enough humans, tolkien, and furry shit.
You. Show me your progress. Now.
>>579213601My current progress is too weird to post.
>>579213601fix that sloppa anatomy first
>>579213540tolkien fantasy is the best typeyou can fuck right off with your special faggot snowflake races
>>579213342yeah exactly, you have to learn to ignore most of the internet because they have no fucking idea what they are talking about
Loli-gods... stop... I can't take it anymore.
>>579213601you first, and make it actual progress, not AI slop
>>579213878I can hear liberals screeching in the background. Pretty common these days.
>no proggy anchor>no proggymany such cases
>>579213540You see this in every genre as well.Almost every alien race in sci-fi is humans, humans but green/blue with weird heads, human-shaped robots, giant bugs, or a rip off of xenomorphs, which were actually pretty original though still generally human shaped.
Can PDFs seriously fuck off back to /a/ or wherever the fuck you normally spend your time. This is the game dev thread.
>>579213540>>579213875>>579213834Having actual human species from the fosil record is much better than just copy pasting tolkien shit like a fat obese weeb.
>>579213769>>579214012this is what jealousy looks like
>>579214280they come from reddit and discord
My game will have dwarves and elves because dwarves and elves are cool Simple as.
>>579214487That's what /a/ is, a reddit and discord colony.
>>579213342As it should be. If everyone plays the exotic races they become less special. But they still should be there.
>>579197862use it as a base for a slime and do setColor before drawing to have different variants of the slime
>>579213601But I haven't made any progress today.
>>579171094in my particular case, im less worried about drawing the rest of the owl than finding the fun. whats in the video isnt what i have in mind, but still plays just fine, so its a weird spot to be in
>>579163140>>579215269why do you fags still work so hard in 2026 like this? AI can copy past whatever driving mechanics you are looking for and do it 100000x better and faster than you can
>>579213130>Taking piano lessons as a kid>Teacher keeps trying to get me to read music, which I eventually learned to do but it takes forever>Started looking up the songs and playing by ear since that was faster for me>Teacher is impressed that my sheet music reading has gotten faster but says my rhythms are often wrong in subtle ways>Realizes after a year that I'm not really reading the music at all and is always yelling at me for it>Learning guitar as an adult>Teacher starts teaching me a Beatles song that I already know>Play a bit from the tabs, and just keep playing>Wow you must have been reading ahead between lessons>No teach I just know how the song goes>Cool man keep developing your earSheet music elitists can fuck off.
>>579197862progress
>>579154291I just don't understand why people can be so sadistic that they'll torture a random person for fun. Combined with the fact that they are in some sort of group, community, that is creating a very competent looking game (shade protocol). This is truly an injustice.
>>579215548Music teachers are by and large retarded, and most of them aren't even good.
>>579215205Sunny. That was not an excuse. Go make some.
>>579215998cute
>>579215998Hello pedophile cretin.
>>579214409so you're saying you have no progress
>>579215924In school I was in a singing group and the sheetfags eventually gave up when they realized nobody could read it, so they'd just sing the line to us a few times and pretty much everyone could replicate it.
>>579215548>people taking music classes when they don't actually want to learn music they just want to play an instrumentWhy
>>579216112I... thank you. That was unexpectedly kind.
>>579215895I truly cannot believe this, either! This is a legal admission of defamation and you may use this in court! There is no lawyerly priming occurring on somebody in a state of incredible induced stress.
>>5792163911. Playing an instrument is learning music, or a good enough approximation of it for most use cases.2. If you have a good enough ear you don't need to read sheet music to learn the circle of 5ths, chord progressions, modes, etc.3. Nobody wants to hear you explain what a tri-tone sub is when you whip out your guitar, just put the Wonderwall in the bag lil bro
>>579216179Wow. You’re meaner than the monsters around here.
I havent worked on my game meaningfully in over 2 months. I just played silksong, then hollow knight, then mario galaxy 2. i will give reviews if anyone asks in my next informational post so i dont get banned for offtopic behavior. i just lost all purpose in my life, and i felt like a joke every time i worked on my game.AI also made me lose my passion for the game. I used AI for the terrain generation, and it made me feel like it was no longer my game. I guess I took pride in my codebase before Claude mogged me. There are things I ahve no problem having claude do, like json parsing, or chores i have no interest in. I just need a rule not to let it define a system.I'm gonna dial back the AI, return so i can be a happy snailcat.I think it's painful. It just brings me a lot of pain and suffering to work on this thing. But I'll work on get back to it, I want a win.tldr: got mogged by ai, got depressed and stopped working
>>579216391guitar doesn't lend itself to the studious typessheet music is for hard piano nerdseven then, if you want to play some friggin ragtime do you really need to break out sheet notation for that?
>>579216907Weak shits like you should throw in the towel.
>>579216907>the virgin codecel: gets depressed when the tools allow him to work more efficient>the chad vibegod: embraces any tools that can make him more efficient so he can ship his projects faster
>>579217226youre right, i got bothered and couldnt let it go. I was using claude for a while, it improved my progress quite well, its just that i became overly reliant on the thing. Something about the product no longer felt like my own when i vibecoded entire systems (terrain generation). im just not going to do that anymore. it just bothers me>>579217119im at 3700 wishlists after 5 months
>>579216907You have to up your standards. Some stupid fucking terrain isn't going to define the heart and soul of your game. Let AI handle that grocery store bullshit.You think AI can do the level design on the level of Mario Galaxy? no, but it can certainly handle all the gravity and one off gimmicks programming, and probably generate all the assets too. That frees you up for the real work.
>>579217704>Something about the product no longer felt like my ownI mean that's a stupid way to look at it if you're using any libraries etc for graphics/network/audio. Unless you're Handmade tier autist, then your game already was in large part not yours.
really elaborate excuse to rationalize wanting to be lazy, just be honest with yourself lil bro
>>579216907The way I think about it, AI can do the gruntwork that isn't fun for me, so I can focus on the fun stuff like enemy design and writing the story. It is a weird feeling not knowing the code base by heart but I used to work in big tech so I'm used to collaborating on code with others.
>>579218075What are you referring to?
>45 people joined the demo day>will likely get mogged by 44 projectshow to cope
>>579218339Working on your game is the ONLY way to cope.
>>579218339cope by knowing your project will at least mog mine since it is in no way presentable yet and will be thrown together in the last minute
>>579218191Kek, that's the best part of all this. Depending on perspective he could be talking about either side.
>>579218339you can't possibly have a worse project than cris, there's a free cope for you
>all three games floppedOH NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHA. SUFFAH THORNITYhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3987230/Mining_and_Dwarves/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4261030/Orb_Breaker/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4601160/Just_Keep_Fishing/
>>579218191Oh, he's trying to vaguepost / cryptologically handshake to confirm talking about the topic without responding.It's pretty easy to confirm this across boards, even!
>>579218535>Review score: 68%>Average playtime: 2.8h>Review score: 64%>Average playtime: 1.3h>Review score: 90%>Average playtime: 1.6h
>>579217704>3700 wishlists>after 5 monthsHow much marketing effort did that take? Was it from a slow accumulation of wishlists or a couple big spikes?
>>579217771hmm that's a really good way to look at it. I'll take your advice, my mindset isn't optimal regarding AI >>579218182Thanks for the insight, I think this is how I should look at it too. >>579217869True. if no one got me i know SDL3 got me>>579218075im pretty lazy, but i was lazy and nonetheless working for months on my game every single day. It was specifically after using a week of AI i guess i started getting disturbed, i guess i have some ego regarding my codebase. ima take the advice of the posters above, i dont want to fall behind what should be a useful efficient tool, which it was for me.
Nobody would ever cryptologically handshake with vagueposting. Especially not on a website associated with Q-Anon, which popularized the idea and has a whole thread dedicated to making fun of it.I feel like you're making that up.
>>579218535this just means that releasing a good game is all about luck because what do you mean your first incremental game makes $1.3 million and then the next three games you make make $40k combined lol
>>579219018What, no way!?You mean somebody could samefag as somebody else to respond to themselves and imply multiple posters for further deniability?Fuck, what do you mean memetics and images can be used to describe topics without talking about them, too?
he meant covertly
>>579219148aren't there different developers
is there a game that feels like this
>>579219442my bad, that's even worse then because only orb breaker is the same dev the other games they published, and orb breaker made only $6k
>>579219462https://store.steampowered.com/app/2138710/Sifu/https://store.steampowered.com/app/307690/Sleeping_Dogs_Definitive_Edition/
>>579219639No those are too realistic.
>>579219291NANI!?What do you mean it's suspicious that all posts relaying to "Nobody general" in April when 4chan got hacked have been removed, such as "OH NO,NONO, NONONO" from all archives, as well as the comment on Shade Protocol's twitter where they said "Oh no, nono, nonono"???
>>579219462make one yourself
>>579219746WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THERE'S MILITARY WHITEPAPERS ON THIS TYPE OF MEMETIC WARFARE NOW
complete fucking ass rape posturing happening right now sheesh
>2d indie MP gamestop doing this
>>579219462this isnt /v/
>>579219462Maybe Godhand? Never seen or played it tho just sounds like that from what I've heard about it
>>579220223I just realized Godhand is JoJo-ish though Mikami denies any influence. Might just be jap brainrot
>>579219958More wishlists than sales = way too expensive = waiting for -80% sale
btw what is chinasoccerclub
Why agdg doesn't make a comfy incremental game about being a geologist/archeologist finding evidence of pre biblical flood in ancient ruins and pyramids around the world?
>>579220897Because I am not being paid to.
>>579220897I don't know about this one Cris seems like its bordering on the edge of antiseptic
>>579220897are you going to pay me to make this
>>579187351What about the guy who made Fez
roody:2d progress
>After 3+ years of development me and my wife's boyfriend, finally launched our first Trailer for Rogue Wheels!do you co-develop with the bull?
>>579220897you can just watch the youtube video without having to try to turn it into a game
>>579220897"idea guys" think they are geniuses because thoughts that like this pop into their heads, even though none of the fun gameplay has been worked out
>>57922146899% of games don't have "fun gameplay" worked out it all starts with shit like that.A good idea has the gameplay develop itself.
Well, seems like my game looks appealing enough for the average gamer.Now it needs to be fun.
>>579221641I wish I had this...
>>579221641I wish I had this but in the opposite way the other guy imagines...
>>579220897>Why is no one making Spectobes/Fossil Fighters without anything that makes them fun
>>579213601Progress!? I was making my penis dirty since I never responded to the "show me your dirty penis" demand! Owari da! Aieeeeee a lot of my progress is code stuff.what am I even supposed to do?????? Show a picture of my code? Who would even want to look at that? It's not even interesting work!
musichttps://youtu.be/x0yQsS7fb7chttps://youtu.be/ZSsfNlS42Cchttps://youtu.be/u7T2OR-O2Vkhttps://youtu.be/stfWk68wWiM
>>579221454kek, cris nvke
Will people judge my game too hard if the OST was made by a person with only surface level music theory knowledge? I kinda like what I made, but in some places you can tell some dissonances, some notes that shoudn't be there or some 'wrong' chords.
>>579222642If the soundtrack isn't annoying or too repetitive people will forgive it not being that great
>>579222642Eric Barone made absolutely awful music and people ate it up because the game was good, you'll be fine so long as everything else measures up. Of all the major things in game dev, music is like the least important. No one has ever bought a game "for the music."They buy games because it looks pretty or the gameplay is great.
>>579218535>almost 200 reviews in 2 dayshuge success albeit
>>579205947I did think it was a nice aesthetic that was a bit familiar even though I was unsure of exactly where I saw it before. I think you've reached your goal.
>>579145763kinda progresspost from the last two weeks, changed lighting a bit and finally added skin colorswebm is just checking for a bug that I just fixed where hair was still visible in first person
>>579216425*sneak attacks you from behind with a hug cause you're so cute, before sprinting back into the foliage*>>579218339Kek. Lemme see your game, surely it's not the worst looking game. When is demo day anyways?>>579221365Neat. How much morw stuff do you think you need before the game is done?
>>579223473>Lemme see your game, surely it's not the worst looking game.You will see it during demo day.>When is demo day anyways?6d
i'm AI generating the art for my game but it's taking too many liberties. Like I will ask it to edit one thing but details across the entire image are changed.
I need an idea for a small weaker enemy to go with my lizard man enemy with blades for hands. I was thinking maybe a frog but I'm not sure
>>579223668This was discussed ad nauseam in the previous thread. Apparently there's some secret to prompting it and using inpainting that fixes this but everyone was vagueposting about it so idk if that's real or just cope.
>>579223732Frog that doesn't do much damage but grapples you and pulls you closer with its tongue so you're in range of the knife lizard's attacks
>>579224107I like it, thank you!
>>579224441Thanks, I'll take 10% of your game's revenue as payment
>>579219462This is definitely god hand, down to slamming a guy against a car. I will not elaborate.
>>579223954Oh I don't come here often I just dropped in. I'm using chatgpt for image generation, what do you guys use?
>>579223668>>579223954Its real but first off you need to be using Nano Banano or GPT Image 2. I haven't found any other model that can reliably build out or alter a character methodically piece by piece. Beyond that you have to use the right tools/interface. There's some crazy stuff out there.
>>579223473Some numbers on the new research tree probably need tweaking, so the current experimental branch needs more play testing before becoming the default branch (with the big steam library announcement). I'll probably do that the next time I can take a week off of work, so I can quickly react to any bugsAfter that, the only thing I have in mind to add before leaving early access is>achievements>some way to get to a "you win!" screen
>>579201682>>579202636I understand the logic already, mostly by playing games like lbp2, dreams, turing complete and such, but those are strictly visual and no code needed. I'll start by using blueprints then, just to see if I really like making games, then if I do, I'll bite the bullet and learn to code. Thanks bros.
>>579225467>some way to get to a "you win!" screenbuild a rocket
>>579223954Legend of Pong Long Fight Sunny'Na dev here.I use a combination of ChatGPT / Nanobana Pro and local image generation via Krita. The local image generation via Krita is the slowest, but gives powerful results. I work body part by body part.Learning Krita and it's AI Diffusion plugin is what you want to be spending your time and effort on.Pick related, artwork I was doing for an unrelated game.
Do I gotta locally host to make a porn game with her?
>>579221365Is this that one 2D factory/automation game? I think I've seen something like this in /egg/ a long time ago.
>>579226129Forgot my picture.
>>579226339zamn mamacita going ham on taco night
>>579226127Building a "go up infinitely machine" is already very easy at about half way through the tech tree>>579226249Yeah, currently blueprints, minimap, and a research overhaul (and player physics rewrite) are sitting in the experimental branch
>>579226213there should be online porn gen. femboy futa games are aislop.
>>579226494This old webm looks like ass without todays "+5.3" fading text
>>579215875progress
>>579226494>Building a "go up infinitely machine" is already very easy at about half way through the tech treehave to build something that requires the entire tech tree researched then idk
I don't know if the reason I'm not putting in work is lack of faith in my ability to finish this or laziness.it's not that hard to code. it'd just take 2+ years to finish. my big hope is a publisher. otherwise, if it's fun enough it's a resume piece, even a few months from now(questionable benefit)
>>579227116one word: artificial intelligence
>>579227209Nah, I bounced off it. don't like claude's style.
uh fellow slopper bros...?
>>579227513didnt they all get fired
>>579226339I assume you're great at correcting errors.
Is crowdfunding something worth looking into?I know a guy from CS classes in college who partnered with an artist after graduation and raised about $10k to make a game. The game wasn't super popular but did alright and now he works at Epic Games.I'm not expecting to raise a ton of money like Hollow Knight or Undertale, but funding my own games is not sustainable.
>>579227691this is sad and small minded on so many levels, kek
>>579227762only works if you go back in time 10 years, or if you already have a good game and are looking for a sequel, or if you're making a porn game targeting certain niche
>>579227817It wouldn't be hard to correct so normies don't notice, just commenting that it needs a bit of work to pass.
>>579227829My classmate did it in like 2021 but he didn't raise a crazy amount of money like I said
Is a neet with unlimited time, and who gets governemnt gibs so they don't have to worry about income, the most powerful combo for indie dev'ing? Should be illegal in the field desu
>>5792282865 years ago was basically 10 years ago
>>579226494Nice. It's been years and I don't remember, so I might be completely wrong on this, but wasn't building and transporting everything with blocks the core of the game design? There's an inventory and a black-hole block so I'm probably thinking of something else.
>>579228328and yet the said neet has not shipped a single gameCURIOUS
>>579228328NEETs are worthless and will never amount to anything, that's why they are NEETs to begin with
>>579228328no because my body is broken, i can't afford a good chair, standing desk and my hardware is shitalso bad attention span/disciplinefunctioning normies with 4 hours a day and 8 on weekends are far more powerful than me because they have good habits and money to fix what they need fixed.
>>579228512>>579228571I'm sure there has to be some well known dev who made a sucess that fits in that criteria
>>579228328I started game dev while bored on disability since I couldn't work and had nothing to do, so maybe there's some merit to this.
>>579228571Creator of yume nikki gotta be a NEET
>>579228657but how about you?
>>579217869There's quite a big difference between most of the code not being yours and the method that is being used to blit an image to the screen not being yours. Arguments like these that try to liken what AI does for you to things that already exist always seem to miss something crucial.Nothing is truly made from scratch, sure, but this is getting near a very reductionist perspective.
>>579228594>i can't affordthat's where the autism bux/government gibs come in anon
>>579228753what do you think mate, i am in /agdg/ after all
>>579228796most countries gibs aren't enough.I can survive. if I buy no clothes, shoes or electronics I save 2k usd a year.
>>579228770....and? This is not a binary situation where you don't use AI at all or go full vibecode; you can just use AI to help you with the menial, boring, tedious manual tasks that will let you get over a hump to continue the development process.
>>579229001sorry bro, may finished games and great success find you
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4657580/Lewd_Dungeon_Manager/thoughts?
>>579228512bing your only move is hustle
>>579229013I mentioned nothing about it being binary. I was addressing the original point of the anon not feeling like the game is his own and the other person telling him that it's a similar case to using pre-made libraries or something.
I am losing out on millions because i am too good of a person to use AI for my game or to make AI porn slop with it for scams....
>>579228383Roody2d doesnt have black holeMaybe you are thinking of sandustry?
I'm just glad zoomers got to it first and it's called "vibe coding" instead of some gay cringe name like "prompt fu"
vibe coding was coined by an unc
>>579229850>Hello fellow Zoomers!
>>579229850>he still hasn't realized that only gen x can make culture
>>579221641kanna...
>>579230078The only "culture" gen x made is the yeast infections in their unlovable wives' cooters
>>579229793I was talking about the block that has all of those blocks fall into it.
>sir, we have a nigger problemhuh?
>hellcockhuh?
>>579213601>>579215205>>579215998>subtle fygoon posting>not so subtleembarrassing
>close to release>browsing steam>just found a game that is basically my game 1:1 except executed so well it looks and feels 500000x better and has earned $5m and somehow I hadn't heard of it beforeso demotivated right now, poured 4 months of my life into this project day & night and thought I had something nice only to get brutally mogged
I think I am goinna improve the idea of chicuelas from 512 to something like 32.Something like 25 based on IRL races, and then 12 based on fantasy races.A more manageable number means I can hand craft the entire set, rather than using AI.I think 48 is a good number.
>>579232513name the game, coward
>>579232513Gamers will still buy your game. Maybe not as many, but they'll buy it. Hardly anyone is making a completely original game.
>>579232642no I'm emberassed>>579232731desu mine is actually playable and I'm aiming for $4.99 price tag vs. their $17.99 and mine has multiplayer co-op mode and theirs does not but still, it feels so bad to get THAT brutally mogged in terms of visuals and audio
>>579232513This seems to be happening more nowadays. How long until yours is done?
>>579233106I'm awaiting steam page approval and was going to release at the beginning of november
I'll do it. I'll make a game. You'll see.
Progress:Decided to reward myself tonight if I finish the design of my game's POC.
>>579232513You too?
I've decided to GMI.My worst enemy was just myself.
>be me>friendless, girlfriendless, jobless>excess male wizard, zero value>Saturday night (I double checked)>rotting in my childhood bedroom making a game no one cares abouthow did I end up like this? I didn't do any drugs or commit any crimes. I haven't been lazy. I just worked on wrong things with an all-or-nothing reward structure and I got nothing and now I'm doing the ultimate all-or-nothing thing because I don't have better options
>>579233750how many people did you reach out to hang out after school, uni, work?how many girls have you asked out?how many jobs have you applied to?
>>579227691That was an old WIP; only posted to share with the anon looking for art tools that Krita with AI Diffusion can make may different styles of artwork.
>>579233750What's ur game
>>579230472That's something you'll never have the opportunity to do.
>>579233750i remember you. it's been like 2 weeks since i last left the property.>now I'm doing the ultimate all-or-nothing thing because I don't have better optionsi'm really hoping my game saves me from having to put fries in the bag. just need a net $200k success to do this without the lingering fear that's likely affecting my motivation negatively
>>579233750Just turn your game into your job? Then you won't be jobless anymore.
>>579235052Over the past 10 years here, that has been the most common thing which means that we do indeed do that here
>>579226339This game looks amazing, when are we going to have a playable build?
>>579235052they do this to stay sane while they wait for e-celeb drama.very sad entities
>>579232513>close to release>4 monthsthis is your problem, make a proper game instead of what i'm guessing is a quick cash grab incremental game.
>>579233750I enjoy this copypasta because you use many of the phrases that I enjoy using to describe y'all.
>>579235178speak for yourself blue haired loser
>>579235403it's going to be 6 months total when it's released and it's not an incremental game
>>5792354612 years minimum
>>579216907Claude killed the joy of coding so hard that I learned materials and structural engineering and changed careers. The state of software is so fucking depressing and demented now. Feels like a spent my young adulthood becoming a master weaver right before the autoloom was invented. Thankfully my interest in gamedev is more as an art director/writer so it doesn’t bother me that I didn’t write and have zero familiarity with my own codebase.
>>579235646maybe if you're a lazy bum procrastinating, I was working on it full time
I had the idea where the MC is the reincarnation of the god of chaos, so he's like a trickster character, who wants to do tricks and cause trouble to others. Basically he's also the sun god, so he's naturally more powerful than the other gods. But my plot twist is that the rest of the pantheom are girls, which happens to be shapeshifters and can change their age from lolis to milfs. So basically the story is this MC which is khaos, causing troubles and devicing tricks to the rest of girls. But these girls are basically his daughters of previous reincarnations, and they have to make him "spend" his sun energy into them. So they basically also feed from his energy, which causes him to be lethargic and sleepy. So the entire chapter is basically he recovers his energy, which causes the day to being, he starts doing silly things in his celestial town, which causes the girls, which symbolizes nature forces and plants to feed on his energy, until he loses strenght and night begins.
>>579235052Female lions bite the male lions’ balls repeatedly when they’re in heat to force them to mateA lion is not a good image for this
>>579233990>You literally made this exact post already.not exactly the same, it said Friday night but it was actually Thursday so it wasn't as cathartic and I made a fool of myself in front of what is closest to friends I have in this world>>579233982how would a jobless wizard have school, college or work? I've given up on everything that I kept failing at. I'm not going to humiliate myself looking for a job or asking girls out. that part of my life is over. I have only my game now>>579234626what would you do with $200k? how many years would that last and what when you spend it?>>579235052your toxic positivity is no match for my vantablack pill>>579235409>y'all
>>579235302It's ok. I'll bring up Betz and the schizo can go nuts again and we'll be back to normal.
all goods ideas are taken it's over
>>579017107female and living at home isn't as terrible i think.male, 30+, and live at home as a neet, in todays age is a different story. pretty sure my parents are now upset since i haven't progressed much in life despite being seen as someone that'd accomplish a lot. plus mom wants grandkids. it is hard to dev when i have so much riding on me and hard to game/relax.>>579018364made me kek irl>>579226494how complex does your game get?>>579232731depends i've seen some games not get much attention eg Veloren a Cube World clone.>>579234109very pretty. what's your game going for?
>>5792329201) link their game and socials or whatever for yours2) people including me buy games similar to ones they own; all this is is verification of product-market fit and a known target audience. Now when you’re ready to go your marketing/ads can target the community for that game.
>>579235967As a resident of Texas oblast, I have a God given right to say y'all.
>>579234109It's better but I would learn to draw a little bit to make corrections so gamers don't notice. I'm just showing you vaguely errors that stick out right away.
>>579236051>female and living at home isn't as terrible i think.Depends on your family. I am female living at home and they're up my ass everyday about whatever.Same story for men, some guys have families who just don't care at all about them being a loser at home.
>>579235967>your toxic positivity is no match for my vantablack pillkek'd>>579236000did it sell well? grim if so
Start hustling. It's 2026, anyone can make a game now. Only people with drive can sell it. Make a plan with daily tasks and execute. Use metrics (look at your wishlist every day) to see what worked and do it again and again until that avenue dries up, while also looking at other ones. Games are now cheap and plentiful!
>>579235768uhh this is actually kino wtf??
>579236594Called it. You're welcome. Thread is back to normal.
>>579236475my parents love having me live at home because I clean obsessively and fix shit around the house and do tech support and make food and give them money and as far as I know they don't give a shit about not having grandkids. but I'll move out again if my game makes it
>>579236594before after of this character?
>>579237039Wasn't the DraftKings ad just a joke?
>>579237141What the schizo fails to comprehend is that they did the big three of gambling sites in one video which (if what he said had any merit to it) would be a major violation of a "non compete clause" that would be baked into any agreement Betz would have to have sign. Meaning that all three betting sites would be able to reclaim their money as they paid for their sole sponsorship of the video. Obviously none of this happened because it's a joke but don't tell him that. That would mean admitting he was wrong.
obvious samefag astroturf discussion
>>579236594>NOOOOOO I WAS JUST JOKING WHY AREN'T YOU LETTING ME MONETIZE YOUR GAMES REEEEEEEE
>>579235768Cris this is the 50th time you've posted some variation of a "loli harem game". Please get some help.
>>579237550Are you retarded? Legally they cannot have more than one sponsor that advertises the same service. So this whole made up scenario of Betz doing a rugpull on the devs couldn't even happen.
>>579237741its over schizo bros we got too cocky
>>579237714Fygoon will have his revenge from the shade....
>>579233750Is your ego so big you'd assume that all of reality would conform for your favor purely out of some magnanimous fortune?This is your problem buddy you're still expecting your game to randomly configure itself.Do you realize how difficult it is to push yourself from a low state to a high state?GMI is shockingly simple.
Sorry, schizo. Your advertisement narrative is false.
I sure wish we could talk about game development in the game development general instead of middle school lunchroom gossip involving a bunch of nodevs.
>>579238229ok pdf
>>579237741what kind of retarded law is this? I call bs
>>579238229Ok what about game development do you want to talk about?
>>579223668try erasing the part you don't like and then locking the pixels.
I do not care about Betz because I'm not retarded enough to fall for obvious scams.
>>579225559Just use GameMaker, it fits exactly what you want and it's a great engine
>>579205293Accidentally left the pre-alpha jank build available to download like an idiot.Apologies to anyone who may have downloaded that bloated, broke-ass build. Promise it's not representative of who I am as a Dev.
I need an idea for a heavy enemyI have a frog and a lizard man already
>>579236475>they're up my ass everyday about whatever.kek. mine usually don't say anything about being unemployed. i need a success (~150k) from gamedev soon otherwise i'm getting back in the wagecage.
>>579239361Turtle is the obvious choice to round out the trio but you should make your own decisions instead of treating agdg like an LLM big dawg. It's your game, not mine.
>>579239370Any retard with a game so terrible that they thought the bots watching his garbage show would make a difference in their minuscule numbers deserves every last bit of suffering. Betz can only exist because limp dick cucks provide him free labor.
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>>579239361Armadillo
>>579240617Ah, so obvious. I should have thought of that, thank you.I'm not an ideas guy, I just make the assets and code
>>579240617You use LLM for making decisions for you?
>>579241118Yeah I asked ChatGPT if I should piss or keep devving and it said keep devving. Good thing my agent bought me diapers too.
>>579213601Fuck off slopper
r8 this model xisters
why aren't you using an ai sleeve to code for you, anonny?
>>579242174I haven't written a line of code in a year and I never want to again
>>579241963Redo it
>>579241963
does the donut coffee guy still post updates here?
>>579241963bad for a sculpt
>>579243308he died from beetus
>>579242832I expanded this image and made this exact face it made me laugh so hard. Good job anon.
>>579236051No, game, I was just trying to make a story for the Wulfram 2 revival project that is being worked on.
>>579238683based boccher
>>579243441how can i improve xis?
>>579244129retvrn to poly modeling
See that valve leak? Crazy. Beta builds of tons of non-valve games that were hosted on steam got leaked.Its actually huge.
>>579244519>data from 2003-2013it's fucking nothing
>>579244519>You can download every build of every game hosted on steam pre-2012LOL
>>579244519I used to get excited about stuff like that but nowadays I just think "I can't use this on my game" and move on
So why are we all solo devving destined failure games instead of converging on one game and starting a studio together?
>>579245114What skills do you bring to the table?
>>579245114Because I want to have control over the game and you don't want to make the game the way I want it to be made.
>>579245114some faggot would steal all the profit for himself 100%
>>579245632That's only because you want to make mentally ill garbage that no one wants to play and waste everyone's time.
post your gamedev bgm https://youtu.be/MR3uP7IYz44
>>579245880What a shit opinion you have
>>579244519>No hacking involved, just verified that everything in Steam2 Teraleak was obtained via a publicly accessable endpoint.Most profitable video game company in the world btw
>>579246201literally what
how do I like, make game?
>>579246327Valve fucked up and left their old storage system publicly accessible which resulted in almost every build of every game on steam from pre-2013 being leaked online. Its incredibly embarrassing for them at minimum. On par with Half Life 2 being stolen by a kid.
>>579246829Oh noI hope they won't be sued by companies
>>579246683IDK, how do I win Olympic gold?
>>579244238This but unironically
>>579246683If you have to ask, you were never gonna make it
>>579244519Ah
Looking at aggy games that truly made it, it looks like you either have to make a game that appeals to a certain niche of autists, or a game that has a very specific good art style.
>>579246683Gen some artwork for characters or assets you likeMake them better and put them in a game engineProgram them to do things like a game???Profit
>>579247758its always a trannoid
mount and blade..in space!
Got nothing done today. Hopefully tomorrow is better. It's looking less and less likely that I'll have something ready by Demo Day...
>>579248997how would that work, horses can't breathe in vacuum
I'm itching for the game jam, you know the oneI lust for a new project even if I have to stuff a bunch of retarded bullshit into it, that's part of the fun
>>579248997Star sector
if i wanna learn to make music for my game, is arturia minilab 37 + fl studio a good start?
The game mode now has an intro and outro which loops back to the main menu when the game is finished. The scoring updates ui, fighters have different GI colour and the cpu is getting better at moving away from the corner if the fight moves to the edge of the stage. It may be a little bare bones but I think I'll have something for DD70. I like to add a couple more moves (there's only 2 punches and 2 kicks so far) and hopefully improve the cpu movement a little.
>>579250213Subhuman Champions 4 is looking good, Cris.
>>579250086yeah
>>579250213can you rip their clothes apart
>>579250213suddenly this project makes sense. looking forward to trying it
>>579245606I’m a programmer with 8 YOE and I write decently enough that I got short fiction published and took some prizes back when physical literary magazines still existed. >>579245632Fair enough. If someone had a better idea than me I’d be fine doing their thing. I enjoy the process more than the product desu>>579245773True, there’s always a fucking rat in any group larger than ~3.
>>579246201Everyone thank Claude code.
I could be wrong but wishlists are going to be lower after they added calendar, as consumer i stopped wishlisting new games because i can just see them on calendar
>>579253019The only reason I wishlist is so that steam sends me an email if it goes on sale
>>579253019i use wishlists as "list of games to look through if I feel like playing something new"
>>579253019i use wishlists as "this are the games I 'want' to play, look how cool i am"
I just had a great idea for a horror game but I must not project hop...
>>579254312here's another idea becky bro: a game about a helpless becky running from her ugly unc at night...
Very basic movement. Click a tile and the player goes there. No A* yet, just getting the basic IO and picking math working
look at this shit GUIhow the fuck did this sell millions?
>>579245114Even the countless pro developers who got laid off aren't forming their own studios.
>>579259835Popular games aren't about quality desu
>>579254312I'm onto you, kanna...>>>/v/746472349
>>579259835it's stimming
>>579153158This is the real hierarchy of needs desu
>>579259835personality > looks, incel
>>579259835Gameplay is the only thing that matters and vampire survivors has great extremely engaging gameplay chudly
>>579261339How's that been working out for you? Make any good games yet?
>>579261339you dev naked too? *high five*
Idk. The difference is so subjective.
>>579261983>Make any good games yet?N.. no..
>>579262712Literally me...
>>579262712Why don't you learn to get good at sex?
>>579263018>sexThat's pretty gay unc
I have lost the ability to make good art, lmao.
>>579263339You don't become worthy of love. Love isn't something that'll magically appear and find you. It's something you must make yourself.
>>579263671what makes you say that
>>579263948I draw much faster but also much worse than my 2016 peak.
>>579263671too many niggers
>>579264162>He calls aboriginals, melanesians, etiopians as the N word
>>579264328If they don't have pointy elf ears then they are a nigger.
rock an rol
>>579264771>Being proud of being an iliterate
>>579264867next gen graphik
>>579264971I don't see no words there nigger.
>>579265030dlss 6
>>579265067No amount of redneck liberal nazi cope will stop me from designing ebony queens.cope.
>>579263671
>>579263671what good art did you make?
>>579265213seethe. 70% of black women have an STD
>>579265419
>>579265538that's amerilards, cris is speaking of nubian queens
>>579145763Finally stopped being lazy and replaced the mannequin with a rough draft of my character model, suddenly feels more like a real game and not just a bunch of shader experiments. The rig is bunk but it works for now as a place holder
>>579265651What would it take to return to that level?
>>579265538anime girls don't have STD.
>>579265720>all that effort>for a 2d platformerWhy are agdgies like this?
>>579265759I mean, is not that I can't do it.I'm just too lazy now to even bother to draw properly.
>>579265720shadow complex like
>>579265950yee i should make another balatro clone or a game about sorting screws
>>579266003Yeah thats the locomotion inspiration but im going for a quicker paced linear game like Contra Shattered Soldier
Should I make an autobattler 3D arena fighting game tournament?
>>579265950yesdevs know the answer.
>>579266219There are far far far fewer Balatro clones and games about sorting screws than Contra clones in this world.
Cris is the most skilled dev here. There, I said it.
>>579266392yes. saltybets showed us the way.
>>579266450yeah but mine is about revelations as a trench war and you boss battle jesus so mine is gonna be considerably more cracked out
>>579266495yes, but imagine is a 3vs3 like mini auto moba fighter.Like you select your team, and let the girls fight.But what if there was like a soccer team director in real time giving orders like Resident evil outbreak.
>>579266650yeah. and some team members suck at following orders so you bench them
>>579266450on steam though? not sure that claim holds in 2026
>>579266392No, make street fighter with cats
>8 full books of world building material about the races, species, worlds, religions, weapons, flora and fauna of the universe>use it to make a roguelite that barely features even 1% of what was writtenanyone else do this?
>>579267237I spent 2 years learning to prompt around 50 IRL races of anime girls to use 14.
>>579266908There isn't a specific "run & gun" tag on Steam, so it's hard to filter them, but here are just the ones that tagged themselves as Platformer or 2D Platformer + SHMUP. Interestingly enough, our own FISH is the highest rated release this year.https://steamdb.info/instantsearch/?refinementList%5Btags%5D%5B0%5D=Shoot%20%27Em%20Up&refinementList%5Btags%5D%5B1%5D=Platformer&refinementList%5BreleaseYear%5D%5B0%5D=2026https://steamdb.info/instantsearch/?refinementList%5Btags%5D%5B0%5D=Shoot%20%27Em%20Up&refinementList%5Btags%5D%5B1%5D=2D%20Platformer&refinementList%5BreleaseYear%5D%5B0%5D=2026If you look at Action Platformers overall, there are over 1.2k of them, and 80%+ of them will involve some non-trivial amount of shooting stuff.
>>579267636Why do you need so many anime girls
>>579268163because is the core reason of the idea.
Discord deleted my ca3writer account.This is my newer account.ca3gamedevI just can't add the agdg discords I was into, so pls add me if you can read this.
>>579267765there's a thousand games where you run right and shoot at things, there's only one contra shattered soldier
>>579267636>2 years learning to prompt
No proggy today because I went out day drinking with the gf and I threw up.
Cris a funny ass nigga
Honestly, AI is much better than me at art.lmao.
>>579270234yet I would click and take interest in a game with your art, and just ignore the AI one.
>>579267237This is really common yeah and I do this yeah.You actually want to be a writer
>>579145763Where did the AI posters go? Ever since Fable 5 release which was their biggest success in automating gamedev got released the snailcat spammers have left. They won and lost at the same time.
>>579267237You should turn it into adventure game. Spread the different items as map items, make the levels bigger and more spread out, and then implement only 10% of the lore into the game and 50% in some NPC library house as encyclopaedias.
>>579265720>>579266003>>579266374Reminded me of Matt Hazard Blood Bath and Beyondhttps://youtu.be/Px6ensjEAgA?si=7w1Z0B_MK_urZAer&t=93
>>579225559Blueprints are terrible. Using them will make you hate the whole process.
>>579272691>spammersit was one very obsessed schizo
>>579232920>and mine has multiplayer co-op mode and theirs does notThat raises your game onto a different level. It might not be as good. It might not look as good. But it has co-op which opens it up to an audience who wanted the other game but with co-op. Or those that happen to be looking for a co-op game and your game interests them. The other game was never an option if they're looking for co-op.
>indie game youtuber who had multiple meltys about refusing to play AI games in the past>recently plays all sorts of AI slop because he can't telllmaohe couldn't tell that this is AI slop https://store.steampowered.com/app/4531320/Gambit_Loop/
>>579274772They are in between real coding and vibe coding.Time saved/expertise not neededCoding < Blueprint < Vibe codingUnderstanding the code/easy scalabilityCoding > Blueprint > Vibe coding
>>579275592If it doesn't have the disclosure then its not AI shrimple ass.
>>579275592No one cares about your homosexual literal who parasocial crush.
>>579275592Somebody should tell him which games are AI slop so that he could pick up on the patterns. None of you fuckers would have been able to tell even 2023 AI pictures apart without living through 2022 and having everyone point out which pictures are AI and which aren’t.
>>579275592My non-AI game has similar looking AI. I just like dark mode and minimalism bros...
>>579275592>>579275717Steam should just use one of the many AI image detection softwares and let it run through all the uploaded decompiled assets. These detectors get constantly updated (when newest best image generator gets released it starts to figure out the signs after like a month or so) and their accuracy is roughly in around 80-70%. If most of the assets are detected to be AI generated then it automatically slaps the AI disclosure on your game. Sure you can edit the synth ID away and when you do bunch of photoshop editing with the image the generator will stop recognising it as AI image, but it’s still good enough to filter out 90% of the jeets that just make the AI do as much of it unsupervised.
>>579276282*UI
>>579276284The trouble is people are for some reason fixated on generated multimedia but not generated text.I’ll play a game with all AI media if it’s written by a person.I won’t play one with all handmade assets and AI-assisted dialogue/text.
>>579275934he lived through 2022 and can't tell>>579276282I don't give a shit about the UI it's the art that's obviously AI and not even decent looking AI >>579276451AI art sticks out because it is what they can see and a lot of gamers are the type that skip all text
>>579276553it's a mix of AI an non- AI art. were you able to tell that?
I hope my game ends up earning a lot.
>>579276553You dont understand. The thing that makes AI games stick out is different then the AI art, and because of the way vibe-coding was developed there was no smooth transition between melted 7 finger people with eye nipples into molten Pixar style and then into whatever it is now. AI games sort of just appeared out of nowhere with kinds of UI styles that you can’t really tell are AI unless you yourself have fucked around with HTML free vibecoding or you willingly went on Twitter and looked at the vibecoding scene there. It’s only good that vibecoders are fucking retards and don’t make their games in engines, instead they just use fucking HTML and three.js because they are too fucking lazy to make and double check Tripo or Meshy 3D models or to bother clicking at things in the engine build for humans to dev in. If you are even little bit in the know you will know that every game made in three.js or Unreal 6 will be AI while everything else won’t.
>>579238683yes i agree the scamming doxer is A-OK business wise
>>579276451When you talk about LLMs in gamedev, people think in 99% of the time you talk about the code which is impossible to tell after it compiles. Would be great if the asset AI ban also went for ingame text which should be extratable and thanks to AI regulation Anthropic and OpenAI are specifically watermarkinging their outputs with specific AI-style sentence structures.
>>579277073these games are making bank anyway and g*mers are accepting them well when no one blows the whistleshits fucked
>>579277073I was thinking of using three.js for my next game. just because it's so easy to get AI to build there.
>>579276939NTA but what's the non-AI art? At a glance everything on the game's Steam page looks AI-sloppish.
>>579248997play the star wars mod
>>579277073Has epic said anything implying they’re going to build a bunch of ai helper shit into unreal 6?
>>579277998Nvm, just looked it up and it will be slopmaxxed, damn. It’s really over.
>>579277834well, I can just tell(artist). but that's not evidence, so I've done some digging. I figured this art would have been from some 2d asset pack. and while I didn't find the pack, I found another game using it.
>>579278976There's plenty of art packs that are AI though.
>>579279243the flame girl art here in a tweet from 2020https://x.com/evil_spilit/status/1304792180406452227
>>579259287What is the game engine?
>>579279875comparison
>>579278308>>579277998Use UE4, it has everything you need. They have not added a single good feature to the engine since UE5 release. UE4 was such a good game engine that the whole AAA industry jumped on the bandwagon and switched to Unreal Engine, but when they were switching UE5 released. And now that the UE5 games finally released for the past 2 years we see everyone shit on the engine. Just use UE4, it’s that easy and forget about the sloppified 6.
>>579279875>>579280036Looks like it's some older art pack. Doesn't really matter to me tbhon. Once a game uses any AI art I classify the entire game as slop. It looks like Gambit Loop made big use of AI to code too which makes me expect the gameplay to be bad.
>>579262712I just looked these comics up, artist knows a thing or two about metaphysics, nice
>>579280310Unfortunately I’m mentally ill so I’m building an engine instead
>>579280458I found the asset pack just nowhttps://assetstore.unity.com/packages/2d/textures-materials/2d-fantasy-art-assets-full-pack-20223
For the first time in ten years I had ask the landlord for an extension on paying rent. He was cool about it, said no problem, but I still feel like a piece of shit.61 days left, I owe 40 hours of work. Yesterday I got fed up with doing something manually so I decided to make it procedurally generated and 10x more complex. I'm sure I'll feel good about it when I get it working, but for now I feel like a dumbass.
My game is slop, and you should be classifying it as such. It's a good thing that your opinion does not matter at all because my game is made for people who still buy and enjoy video games and not mentally ill losers who spend all day crying on the internet about the state of the childhood hobby that they failed to grow out.
>>579281242that's alot of cheese you fat cunt
>>579281242Great, now I have a craving for pasta
Claude is helping me get back in shape with a diet and workout plan, its like I have a personal trainer! However I shan't be letting him touch my game.
>>579281242Make whatever you want but stop acting superior to people who make passion projects.
so to make people look up to me i have to become like jon and casey and make non-stop videos about how everybody else sucks? is it that easy to make people believe you are intelligent?actually i think those 2 guys just have horrible personalities and i wouldn't enjoy being around them.
>>579281920>please pretend to be something that you're not to preserve my feelings
>>579282115It’s crazy how that thing his hair does is still impossible to render in a game in 2026
>>579283859Neural rendering will fix this
>>579283859gta 6 does it
>>579284018nah shit is fluffy slippery silk, it sucks, it's not clumpy and wirey like the gondor jews'
>>579284018No it doesn’t >>579283935Not a game engine
Enemy design for a monster. Just need to model it in blender.
>>579284348Genuinely novel and good
>>579284268they just need to reduce gravity
>>579284348I like it.
>>579284348the twisty gut-spine is sick af. good job
>>579284726>>579284771>>579284863https://youtu.be/K0PLXijkc4M?is=7rWjWHMf4hHHbrUQThanks frens, it's for Mongol 3. Third time's the charm.
>>579284348nice cameltoe
>>579284937I’m not watching all that but wow nice drawings
betz is doxing the people who submit games to his expo and is also a scammer, and he's still here defending himself LOL
He did it to me again...
What website do YA'LL use for sound effects? any good ones? I bookmarked one ages ago but its offline now..
>>579287248freesound dot org
>>579287463pretty decent library, thanks my niqqa
>>579280887is it just me or does this look very ai slop likeI get that it isnt since it came out in 2014 but it still has that ai slop look
>>579146585
>>579287857how do you think AI was trained to make its slop in the first place?
>>579287857mind broken
>>579280887lmao what a faggot, asset sellers are below whores selling their cunt
>>579287857maybe just you. looks like a collection from multiple artists, not all so good. perhaps, giving it some inconsistency.
>>579288770most sane anon
>>579289073it's true
>>579280887>most recent review 9 years ago
>>579289130care to explain why it's true?
>>579289409care to suck my cock?
>>579289409>>579289425You two seem like great friends
>>579289425see >>579289073
tag stateful objects with "Serializable"var serialized_data := {}func save/load - custom implementation per objecton save/load get the data and all serializables, process itnow the only problem is if I want to expand the object after launching the game.This is for dynamic objects/entities throughout the map. character data/game progress are handled separately.good idea or nah?
>>579281171How'd you repay the 1200 hours of work that you owed when I had last popped in to the thread?
>>579290859I honestly don't follow exactly what you're trying to to do but it seems like you have the right idea maybe just not the exact structure. Would also help if you said what language this was. Like one thing I'm unclear on, when you say expand the object after making the game are you saying you might want new fields on the object that arise through gameplay? If that's your issue then what you need is some kind of dynamic collection on serializable objects, something like an array of objects or a dict of objects or even string constants if that's easier for what you're doing, if you do that just make sure you define them first for safety.>This is for dynamic objects/entities throughout the map. character data/game progress are handled separately.In general a good pattern to follow is: Things that never change are read only blueprints. Things that will change are serializable objects. I'm a little confused by you saying character data ISN'T dynamic, I feel like it would be no? This is actually one of your distinctions that's confusing me the most. Player/save and any objects in game you want to serialize data should also be a serializable object made from a starting blueprint you never touch again (because you're saving the changes in the object.). One thing to consider, if that's why you want your object/entities to be 'dynamic' so that you can say, destroy a wall leave the area come back and it's still destroyed, you don't need a while object for that, you can save it in the save data as a flag or something. The only time maybe you wouldn't is if there's a REALLY large number of dynamic entities to save you might want it to have it's own file like world_state or something but it would still be a part of the player's save file. Nail down what you want to save across sessions/scenes/unloads/whatever, then figure out the easiest way to save all of it at once as a part of a save file (what you're calling game progress) is what I would do.
>>579291927
>>579292107What exactly is this supposed to imply to me? Every time I help someone in this thread with code you fags act so fucking weird about it. Literally only happens when I post about code too, what's with you guys?
>>579292250coders are transexuals
>>579284348i'd feed that to an ai, make enhancements to the drawing, ask ai to make a t pose of that, then use one of those drawing to 3d ais then i'd say i didnt use ai
>>579292334Damn son, guess you better chop that cock off then if you ever want you game coming out.
>>579291841It must have been 1200 minutes or 20 hours. Work debt only goes up because I'm a lazy piece of shit and there's no one to force me to repay it.
>>579292512
>>579291927I separated 'world objects' from player data because they'd use two different systems, player data is set directly, world objects get set data by their uid (godot), because they get changed more during development.It seems like a flexible system is better while you're making the game, then you create the set of rigid flags when you near release. >you might want new fields on the object that arise through gameplay?Yes, that's it.I can add anything to the script in engine, set defaults. then the save data tries writing/saving. but checks whether the property exists firsts.first save writes the defaults/current state. then loads can parse the new data as well. I guess this solves it.
>>579263671time to AI
I can vibe code a game in Codex in 5minCan't believe people struggle to release their "game" for years lol
>>579293019but would you be proud to show that "game" off? :^)
>>579292582>I separated 'world objects' That's completely fine I should have been clear that, that part was more my preference than the rest of it. Lots of real games have world_state and player_state or something similar. >player data is set directly, world objects get set data by their uid (godot), because they get changed more during development.I don't know exactly what changes you mean but there are ways to design your objects so that changing them mean minimal touching of anything anywhere and this>world objects get set data by their uid (godot)Is actually kind of bad practice. It goes against the pattern I recommended, which of course you can do but there's a reason so many games use the flyweight pattern I suggested. If you're using UID it sounds like you're saving the changes to objects to disk? You shouldn't need to do that, your save data is scattered across files. You should probably be making a custom resource that exports its values to the editor then using it to make reusable .tres files, if you need to change something you just edit the .tres file in the Godot editor, easiest way I can think of to be making changes often. Need something new that's similar but different? Make a new tres file from your custom resource. There are lots of tutorials on exactly this. The only pitfall is you need to make sure you understand how .tres files work when it comes to making copies of them.>It seems like a flexible system is better while you're making the game, then you create the set of rigid flags when you near release. It really does come down to preference. I would not do this but if it works for you do what works for you. To me having one file of boolean flags seems pretty easy to look over and edit though.On the dynamic collections, you're hitting on a real problem a lot of people encounter in this kind of game coding. The topic you need help with is often called the property bag pattern if you need to search more about how to solve various issues.
>>579293019people actually like my game
My game uses AI art, but all the assets were reviewed and edited(removed backgrounds) by a human. :) buy my game.
yeah sure no problem*ignores your game*
>>579293913please. I don't want to go back to the mines. it's scary.
>>579067983I always knew this game would make ita friend just posted this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICPLRNQ4oMs and I was like "wait I recognize this" and then remembered it was on aggy daggycongrats dreadlines dev
>>579277073Wait, really? Wouldn't it be 100 times easier to just do something in Unity or whatever? There would also be way more material to train an AI on.
>>579294497damn. good job. lucky.indie games hub won't post my trailer.
anyway since I'm here I might as well post progressjust finished 2+ weeks of debugging and fixing issues reported but it was about time the imps had more than one expressionI've changed them so they no longer grab the player if the player hasn't hurt them yet (which is very annoying) but to make it clear they're in grab-mode, they've got different arm poses / expressions
I honestly think people don't hate AI games, they hate low effort AI shit.
>>579295070no shit retrad
>>579295070I hate low effort anything, AI or not. are you working on your laziness cris? you're not getting any younger!
>>579295070Does that mean I can use AI to generate the story for my VN?
>>579295070They're currently not mutually exclusive
>>579294916idk what game, but cool art. nice hair rendering shapes
>>579295306i'm set up to bloom on my 50th year, chuddie. by the time I'm 60 I'll have 12 children.
>>579295323>They're currently not mutually exclusive
>>579295415show me a single high-quality "AI" game, quote poster
>>579295567>show me a single high-quality "AI" game, quote posterhttps://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/3240220/
>>579295389thankmy favorite part is actually the ribbonsone imp attacks in a +-shaped pattern after moving, the other attacks in an x-shaped patternthe other two just move once / twice
>>579275592>>579276284to be fair in this case it's not the art that gives it away, it's the user interfacefor some reason when you ask AI to make HTML UI mockup, it always creates interfaces that look very similar to each otherit's like unless you explicitly tell it the color palette, spacing, borders etc, it always defaults to the same style
>>579295567E33, Deadlock. Basically all recent AA and AAA games are AI coded with oversight too.
>>579296068>E33, DeadlockBoth just used it for art props. I'm talking about a proudly "vibe coded" game that gen'd everything
>>579296250goal posting moving retard
>>579296286>if you use a single gen'd dirt texture, we now claim it as an "AI" gametalk about goal-post moving, what happened to it replacing everyone for everything?
>>579296378>>if you use a single gen'd dirt texture, we now claim it as an "AI" game>talk about goal-post moving, what happened to it replacing everyone for everything?
betz bros..
>>579296250Pretty easy to say if they used it on one thing we could spot, they used it basically everywhere but corrected mistakes and checked over things.Basically every professional developer (in gaming or otherwise) is using AI to do menial tasks and save time. They're also skilled though and can correct mistakes, redraw, fix code, etc. We even have famous schizo devs like Notch using AI now even though he's obviously skilled enough to go without.
John fucking Carmack is using AI.
>>579296925john who and his buddy jane who cares
>>579296770I don't know why people insist on conflating pervasiveness with quality. But anyway, "high-quality" "AI" games can't actually exist then, because they still require extensive competent oversight.
>>579296925yes, why would he not? AI is as dumb or as smart as you are, if you are the smartest programmer in the world and give AI proper prompt detailing data structures, code architecture, and algorithms you will get high quality code but faster
>>579296925he has a new business related to it*
>>579297008true and that's why anti AI freaks are in fact failures
>>579296984Why do you think there's some line drawn if you do oversight on the AI? Even people who have zero skills using AI are doing oversight.
AI stunts the growth of noobsAI enhances the output of veteransSimple ass
>>579297068he is quite keen on ai
>>579297128>Why do you think there's some line drawn if you do oversight on the AI?Because it undermines the entire narrative pushed by bag-holders.
>>579297220>bag-holders.lmao retard fuck you
>>579297131I'm in between noob and vet. I think it's sending me to noob town
>2005 mmorpg looks (waaay) better than 2026 indie gamewhat does this mean? that it's all about budget? no amount of tools can replace an artist (yet) i guess.actually old mmorpgs blow my mind, so many meshes, so many ideas, so many textures. and they didn't even have substance painter, pbr libraries, kitbash and all of that stuff. to imagine they made all of this with nothing but maya and photoshop is insane.
>>579297220The narrative pushed by bag-holders is that AI is still a work in progress. Lots of AI models have warnings on them that they're not completely accurate and require some kind of oversight.Would be cool if you could use it without correcting things sometimes. It is still impossible to completely generate a game with AI without you correcting it obviously but it's still a useful tool and I would be using it to do mundane things you hate doing/saving time.
>>579297379big problem with modern game developers is they're losing a natural sense for aesthetics that came naturally to devs of the past.
sam altman having a meltie about elon taking over cursor
>>579297446>is that AI is still a work in progress.only when it or its products gets critiqued, which is the problem.
>>579297379Massive works require lotsa workersBudget is a way of getting lotsa workersIf you can get lotsa workers without budget you can create massive works without budgetIndie devs work in small groups without lotsa workers
AI is a tool, obviously retarded neets cannot use a hammer to build anything, therefor cannot use AI for software programmingit's that simple
>>579297379Not sure what you're expecting here. 2005 MMO has giant team, big budget, etc. 2026 indie game is usually small team, small budget, not as many skilled people involved.
>>579297562I don't think there's going to be a day in our lifetimes at least where people stop critiquing the models and demanding improvements.
>>579297459You guys must be played different retro indie games than me because the ones I played did not have good aesthetics at all
>>579298090oblivion was kino
god half the thread is filtered againplease don't be like those retards that are apparently in gamedev for 10 years and then they upload their finished game and use AI text for all their marketing, store description, game description etcit makes me want to vomit that people can apparently spend months or years on a game but can't take 10 seconds of their time to describe their own game in their own fucking words what the fuck is wrong with the human race
>>579297778it's rotting my brain away not to have good art styles to look at, i'm not build for american indie sloppa
>>579298580>god half the thread is filtered againwah wah wah wah wah
>>579267237yeah, D&D players do it all the timebuild huge homebrew worlds to use sessions with 6 people tops
>>579297379they had the best artists in the industry at the time. https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Category:ArenaNet_concept_art
>>579298614Download old games then rip the textures and look at that. I do that a lot.
>>579298580Don't worry, my visual novel page will be handwritten. Only the story will be generated.
i think the typical indie dev desperation comes from having false ideas. a realistic indie dev would make small free games or find a team to work on bigger games. but the whole indie dev community runs on ideology (games should be perfect, run perfect, made alone, cheap without dlc, made with free software, working hard etc.)there aren't many people following what works, most people desperately try to make something work the way they believe it should work and fail miserably.
>>579298580Yeah, it's gross when women use gpt to make their dating app bio. not that i'm getting any either way.
>>579299007I'd rather fail trying to make something good than succeed at making something bad.
is there a market for text-based (really no visuals) porn rpgs? basically e.g. an isekai and you meet different people and there are really naughty elves or so offering to suck your dick after you helped them with a quest?i could make prompt slop for visuals, but from my experience this always scope creeps and you need more and more and more visuals. especially if you want to go fully creative.
>>579299330will a slime girl suck my dick like a champ?
>>579299330Probably, but I imagine it's highly competitive
>>579299007Yeah too many idealists cucking themselves out of success.
>>579298945I'm talking about a game that looks like (besides the fact I see AI generated text used for simple one-line instructions in-game, and that it's probably vibe coded) an actual game someone put effort intoI don't care about games that are 100% slop because those had no chance either way
how much % of my audience do i eliminate if i relentlessly enforce 1920x1080?
>>579299425*for the uninitiatedhttps://youtu.be/3y7U5_SRyOc
I don't know if I'm built for rpgdevyou become a csv slave
>>579299330Yes, if you target a fetish and update it for years you might get $1000-$3000 a month on patreon after 4 years of semi-frequent updatesthat's your market. otherwise no, you're way too late to the party
>>579299007>>there aren't many people following what works,that's been the trend in indie games for 10+ years now
>>579299550window size or renderer size that will upscale/downscale to the window size?
>>579299707>>579299707>>579299707
>>579299497>because those had no chance either wayWhy not?
>>579300665a slop game is competing with games that have 10,000 man-hours put into ityou can slop the assets but you can't trade away the time put into research, development, fine-tuning, trial and error until things are fun, etc etc
>>579280697Ok, then at least vibecode more then half of it so you don’t have to kill yourself
>>579287857AI style is just mishmash imitation of what millions of humans made coupled with whatever the reinforcement learning trainers liked, and some people were closer to the mean with their style.
>>579295950Almost as if it’s the same fucking model with same fucking default answers. I gave the model 1 superhero image and told it to fill the image with 4 more hero’s just for funnies, and every single time it picked leaf/nature themed hero on the left, original hero next to it, cyborg hero with blue Color’s in the middle, fire hero in right center, and on far right purple lightning hero. When I reprinted it it produced nearly identical outcomes down to the poses with just face variations and hand position variations. Unless specified it will produce similar output or hallucinate like crazy.
>>579296068>E33>Deadlock>AIE33 used AI for handful of placeholders and to make some background meaningless textures. Deadlock used vibecoding only in recent updates since it no longer sucks and as for assets they only used it for conceptart photobashing, and even that one in unconfirmed rumour.
