night of the first day edition>Demo Days NEXT: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-70Previous: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-69>AGDG Resources https://hackmd.io/SNd2YQugRG-36CLYc8Og2w>Progress Posting Guide https://pastebin.com/0xEt5atn>Helpful Links New Threads: >>>/vg/agdgArchive: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/subject/agdg//agdg/ Steam Games: https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/>How to WebM https://obsproject.comhttps://github.com/argorar/WebMConverter>Previous Thread>>579434857>Sister Thread>>>/bant/24917433
mostly a day for code jannying, but i implemented a different tire model thats slightly less likely to explode at low speeds, very basic anti roll bar (visible as the tiny black bar coming from the wheels), ackermann steering and differentials that properly route torque to all four wheelstheres still a metric ton of bugs, but we ball
>>579589780nigga you need that fable 5.1 drip
The projects I want to make require years of solo dev. The projects worth making probably require like 4 months of solo dev.
>>579589780Steering looking good! I understood some of those car nerd words.
>>579590096Make the projects worth making to acquire the money to shorten the time it takes to make the projects you want to make.
>>579590003fable 5.1, turn this car into a lasagna
The smell, imagine it!
lolichaddevs where we at
lawabidingdevs what's the haps?
>>579589267>>579589267Can yall actually see this? turns out my gamma was fucked on my monitors so the game was way too dark for other people, trying to get opinions off other displays
>>579591630Been cultivating my hybridization Solanum stock
>>579591823before image
>>579591986>>579589336
>>579590579haha apologies
>>579591454I've been working on a small addition to my level generator which ended up accidentally spiraling out of control.
>>579592091top left looks great
I'm playing gid
>>579592091Extremely helpful, can i ask what changes you made to the image to achieve the top look and how i can replicate it?
>>579595364mainly levels adjustment, and a blue overlay to keep some of the cold/rain mood. What engine is this? what color grading do you have access to?
>>579593958seems like people really like gwen huh?
Submitted tax information too late award.Not making it to octoberfest award.Spend all this effort on a small project that doesn't need ANOTHER 5 months of development time award.At least during this time it dawned on me that my current project name is kind of shitty, so now I can delay the steam page even further while I come up with a better one.
>>579595926Not him, but it's Unreal, which defaults to ACES. You can tell it's UE from the blue debug prints .
>>579596681>the legend of emi
Saw someone say 100% vibecoded games are okay because AI code isn't, and I quote, 'creating something from nothing'
>>579595926Its unreal yeah, I have color wheels like pic related and like saturation, gain and contrast controls. >>579596692Not sure if you know but ive seen people saying you should disable the tone maping for cel shading games, would that help "widen the value range"
ape escape but you catch lolisget on it.
>>579597615Rather than trying to fix things in screen space, you should just add more lights to the scene (e.g. some warm torches against a cold moonlight). The main advantage of UE is how cheap lights are. Also, don't forget to enable HDR if you haven't.
>>579590003ooo nigga I didn't know that shit was out, I'm gonna go crazy wit dat, I been using Opus 5 all night!
I haven't used Opus in a week. all fable. I've been deving less, but not having to speak to opus is worth it
>>579597325Normalcattle actually don't understand that games are, you know, programmed. They think you just go into an engine and press buttons and place objects into the map and everything just works.
>>579597829you mean like this?what do I do for the day time lol
>>579599285ok betz
>god gave you your game>its exclusively yours>you dont actually have to share it with anyone>you dont actually have to finish it thus making it never exist
>DD70 in 2 daysWhat the fuck? I swear to God I checked last week and it said 25 days. Shieet.I'm not gonna make it.
>>579599297AO and some GI solution (I guess for UE, it's Lumen?) will darken up the areas that should be dark. Just make sure there's things in the scene that cast shadows, like trees.
>>579595926also I saw you mentioned the chromatic aberration causing blur? are you sure its that and not my depth of field shader? its not real lens based its just a blur based on the distance a ray cast from the camera is hitting. I dont quite have it dialed in yet
whats your current project build executable size? im at 1.42 gb
>>579599591im using screen space gi, im trying to avoid lumen and i think the screen space gi disables the old ue4 style Ao but no expertlow key might just keep it in a always night kinda thing, fits the setting well enough
claude has no awareness and a terrible understanding of 3d spacefucking shoot me
>>579597681i will fund an ape escape-like after i make it and become a multi-millionairethe amount of loli pandering will make onirism blush
>>579600079Claude is a large language model. It has zero understanding of anything except words.
>>579599718maybe it's both
>>579600218https://minebench.ai/gallery
>>579599917400mbhalf of it sound/music
>Double Fine holds an internal gamejam to save the studio>most of the ideas are worse than aggydaggy gamesThe absolute state of Western game industryhttps://www.youtube.com/@DoubleFineProd/videos
>>579602026>lesbian sled death
>>579602026genetically cursed resume` hires with heckin college degree'arinosthat's why GTAO's 2d arcade games are so shockingly abysmal
>>579602026when I saw kiln and that lighthouse game, I knew they were lost.
>>579602026insane this is the company that made brutal legend
>>579602026worse than even throwaway peter molyneux posts.
>>579602026>>579602160anyone find it funny that lesbian sled death has a male narrator
>>579602026Everything moves in arcs. If you ascend high, you must inevitably eventually decline. Double Fine had their time and left their creative mark on the world. In that they're outliers among outliers. There's nothing to mock there any more than you should mock the Roman Empire or Michael Jordan.
actually i dont want to compete with a well oiled double fine psychonauts 3 would mog the shit outta most things
>>579600173I will fund god hand 2 and timestop hentai game with lolis, exhibitionism, open world(small town)
>>579603536is that why cris always looks over his shoulders
My mgslike plot needs refinement. Shadow Moses had the threat of nukes to stop the military from just marching in and slaughtering them. The twist was that Snake was needed to activate the nukes. I don't have nukes, but I do have a big global threat and a twist, the problem is that it is simply not big enough to hold back the military. I mean nothing can beat nukes. What if they had WIP hostages, POWs, maybe damaging information, and so on? Would that feel good enough to at least hold them back? Or maybe have it all happen in such a short time the military had no time to react?
>>579603697idgi
>>579599270I wish it was this easy. A lot of work these last few days to make a simple system with interactions work as intended.>just grab this data out of the save file>just put it in the players inventory>just let the player drop it on the ground>just let the player pick it back up and into a new slot>just save the gameIt sounds so simple but all the work to make that work correctly....ugh
>>579603832I'm replying to myself since nobody else did.
>>579604886I don't care about story in games
>>579602026Will they hire me as an Idea Guy (Director)? No? Guess they don't see the value in a guy who has good ideas. Guess they'd rather just go bankrupt. How sad, for them, not me though.
Fable 5.1 just took my insanely complex opus/fable 5 thing and completely optimized and fixed it perfectly in one prompt (took an hour). Very nyyyyce
>>579603832why should I as a player care about some hostages? a global plague can beat a nuke. a CERN machine that rewrites history can beat a nuke
>>579605438MGS idea. you're an indie dev sneaking into kojipro to acquire the USB stick.
>>579606095Damn, that must have cost 30 dollars in tokens...
>>579589267nortubel stop drawing juicy shortstacks and go back to dev
I am jealous of lolidevs and their success
>>579603832Since you're worrying about plot that means you've solved premise, characters, themes, and the story world, right?
>blender increased recommended ram specs to 32GBwtf...when did this happen?
i cant believe i need to stay up for 9 more mins to jew my usage
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4584800/Extreme_Survival_Club/>not even a trailer >15k wishlists in 1 monthHOW
>>579606685Not only that, but you replace the Kojima USB stick with your own.
>>579610682botted the wishlists
>>579608510Between 1 and 4 of December of 2021 (~4.75 years ago)
>>579610880>kojima left us this USB stick full of his game ideas...>we must honor his memory by building these>uehara-san, let's get started. open the first folder, "256 chiculas"
>>579611623
>>579610682half a million impressions on twitter
https://files.catbox.moe/3nhxn1.mp4First boss is alive.Time to give the party some more life, finish their sprites, finish their abilities, and finally plug in firing squads.
>>579610682bocchi-esque appeal
>>579606548It's not what the playet should care about. It's the scenario that needs plausible lore.
>>579607590Yes, all of that is solved. Gamification is the easy part. Immersion is hard. It's why Kojima spent so much time researching shit after he stole all his characters from movies.
>>579612769You're right to push back. What year is iron crank sturdy set in?
>>579612389you a pro?this doesn't read like a first commercial game.
>>579613087Brass Rotor Firm is set in 1999
>>579612389Fucking hell I want to dungeon crawl this game. Looks brutal for a first boss, bit of a damage sponge
>>579612389coming along so well. I like the charge attack, was kind of scary. are you doing the music? it's dope.
>>579612494
>>579613217Really? it's just game maker.I guess I've been at this for a while.. Thank you for the compliment>>579613459By the time you meet him you're meant to be a couple levels higher, this is with a flat starting team. Their actual abilities will help a lot, too, but brutal is what I want, so that's good.>>579613612thanks man - I am not doing the music. That was Flame Zapper Kotsujin (PC98) - Into the Last Battlehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ68I02i-OI
>>579610682>Kawaii characters>Military aesthetic>Pleasant visual style>An interface that suggests there’s an inventory and progression system>Tweets with 439,300 views>Over 1,000 savesThis game falls within Steam’s recommendation range.They also have a Discord server with 500 members.Those 500 members can provide a lot of initial support when the trailer is announced, boosting the Twitter algorithm and then the Steam algorithm in a chain reaction.In summary, they have a good product and good distribution.
>>579610682>>579614276Publisher helps a lot. They're kind of a double edged sword, though.
>>579614276I wish I had a good product and good distribution
>>579614554That's the spirit!
collab bros. we almost had this.
Meritocracy - The rich get richer, the poor stay poor.
seems like life on easy mode exists. just stop having ambitions and get a minimum wage job and a cheap apartment. lots of free time, peace of mind, good sleep, chill co-workers.now i want to apply this to gamedev, cause i still care about making a game.what's the low ambition version of gamedev?
>>579614702maybe sometimes the poor are poor because they lack merit?
fuck it seems I need money for the 2D sprite assets even AI generators require paywall; damn it I can code but I cannot draw I don't have enough money to buy shit.
>>579614972Chase trends, make knockoffs. Just build and ship products. Do a Solitaire Slots app. Get ad revenue. Then do a friendslop monthlong project. Etc, etc. Just make projects you don't care about, so they are work. Once you get enough money you can be creative.
can i make unity render only on changes, at runtime?
>>579614982I am sure that's the case, sometimes.
>>579615014what kind of sprites?
>>579615014You don't want to do AI for sprites, man. Pixel art is one of the easier forms of art to learn.
Everyone who says "I wish I could draw," like, what? You can. You're not good at it because you're not experienced and you get bummed out because you haven't learned the physical sensations of drawing controlled lines, but you can learn. Everyone can.
>>579615459i can learn drawing but i don't want to, i don't like the ergonomics of drawing something. i don't like the posture. and i'm fine with only being good at programming.
>>579615080I dunno, can you?
>>579614972"chill co-workers" is kind of a mixed bag.Many min wage jobs have high school level drama, same for more well paid jobs but still.
>>579615602man, the street fighter 2 sprites were drawn with a keyboard.
The v3jam is just over a month away. Sign up here. https://itch.io/jam/v3expos-world-famous-game-jam-2 After demo day we'll narrow down the list of games mechanics/modifiers down to the final 9 to vote on the last week in September. The final list we'll have to narrow down is >Jumpscares >Bare bones >All music/SFX must be from people who've already died >revive an out of copyright (dead) IP >Cliche messages (the real monster is capitalism, etc) >Candy as a collectible (currency, health, ammo, etc) >Creepypasta cliches (bleeding eyes, hyperrealism etc) >Cursed art style >Sexy costumes >every mundane action can be charged by holding the key/button for it >guns shoot backwards so you must face away from your enemies to shoot them >Riddles >Haunted inanimate objects >Setting not fit for horror >Sacrifice mechanics >Sequel baiting >Main antagonist constantly references pop-culture >Red herring cultists/monsters/characters we'll see you there.
>>579615602Get a cheap screen-less drawing tablet, it's no different than using a mouse. When I first started digital art, I drew with a mouse for like 2 years until I can afford a cheap screen-less tablet.
>>579615687dunno where you live but here life is not a tv show or doomer slop fantasy. it's just normal people who are chill. i feel like it's all just socialists propaganda constantly trying to make you feel like the world is shit and we need more socialism. when in reality a minimum wage job is easy money in a chill environment. the only stressed people i see are people who want to earn more money per hour, cause they have to go extra miles and compete with co-workers.
>>579615975US, every job I've worked has had high school level drama. Min wage or better paid. Not saying you have to care about it obviously or involve yourself, but most adults are emotionally teenagers.
>>579615901actually i have a tablet, i just don't like drawing. i'm not allergic to drawing, but i don't even know what to draw. and also drawing "clean" seems like much more effort than drawing for fun. also if i do this to make a game, isn't it a useless skill anyways? cause to really make a game you don't just need drawing, you need to draw modular characters, you need to draw animations, you need to draw the same thing from many different angles. all that shit would take so much time to master. i could only enjoy someone going through all of that if they really enjoy the activity of drawing.i enjoy typing, so for me its programming.
>>579616065I worked at a grocery store for a decade and it was like high school 2.0, just retarded normie drama everywhere you lookedI had to quit because I started improving my health and couldn't stop popping random boners around the teenage new hire girls
>>579610682>low quality tranime trash gets wishlists
>>579616420i must have found the luckiest workplace in the world.
>>579610682Bet there's no trailer because there's no game. You could make those screenshots as promotional material in an afternoon if you don't gotta code anything.
got reflections in the water too not just mirrors.I got made full time at my shitty fish-and-chip shop job so I make around 1100 per week now so family life is a bit more stable now. I do most of my dev work 9pm till 130am now.
>>579616378>draw messy>game is a hit because it looks artistic>make cuffbust latertrue story
>>579617102Can I have 2 scoops, a squid-ring and battered hotdog?
>>579617251yea mate do you want any salt on it? can I put it all in the same bag?
>>579616378Just draw for fun. You don't have to be skilled in art to be successful in gaming anyway, but it still helps if it's your own art. Horsey Game looks like shit/unskilled art but did pretty well.
>>579614972Waging would be fine if you could do like 10-15 hours a week and make enough to live on that but actual minimum wage is 8-16 hours a day to barely make do. >what's the low ambition version of gamedev?Cloning small games like you're a one-man sweatshop. 2-6 releases per year. You gotta be fast on your deving though. Else you can't quickly clone whatever new hits that hit the market.
>>579616867Don't count on it staying that way. Eventually you'll get some new hire that brings the drama or problems. I think the worst people to work with are the ones who hardly work and cause tons of problems for everyone else. The dramatic people aren't that bad because you don't really have to be involved, they just might bend your ear sometimes but not a big deal.
>>579617364yeah. chuck it in
>>579617735regular salt or chicken salt or barbeque salt mate.
>>579616420You will have this problem in basically every work environment unless you get lucky.I have worked professionally in AA/AAA game dev and it's almost all high school nerd types who are socially stunted and emotionally immature. They're also sexually depraved and "missed out" on romance typically so they're desperate/gross a lot of the time. Probably why you hear about so much "sexual harassment" in the industry.
>>579617512bla bla bla kys doomer commie
>>579617881I don't have any issues with working. I like it. Just don't really love people.
>>579617935yeah, but i mean a bit of drama can even be fun to watch. what i mostly care about is having a competent boss who is good at organizing everything.
>>579617783That doesn't sound bad at all I need to get me a AA gamedev job so I will be surrounded by those sexually depraved nerdy desperate girls wtf if people told me jobs were like that I'd have stopped being a neet a long time ago
>>579617779I 'avn't tried barbecue salt before, giz a taste
why indie games are mostly 2D?
>>579619470all my niggas hate quaternions
>>579619470Because 2D is harder and indies love challenge
Chicken and beef patty and veggies for late breakfast / early lunch. It's easier to go on 2 meals a day like this.58 days left until I have to release my game in whatever shape it is. Yesterday I was very productive and made a technical breakthrough, but it was on something I shouldn't have been making in the first place. Today I'll be putting a bow on it after making some art assets.
the sims but with cats
>>579618625It's mostly the men, but yeah rarely the women too.
>>579619470When I want to put something in my 2d game>open aseprite>draw it>put it in the gameWhen I want to put something in my 3d game>open photoshop>draw it from 3 angles>open blender>set up reference>model it>fix normals>uv unrwap>fix texels>paint base colors>texture>go to sleep>come back next day to texture more>put it in the game
>>5796208712D sounds easy until you realize that sprites must be drawn from 2-4 angles and 2D animating is just harder. Most of what you're doing in 3D can be skipped or it takes no time, you can model from a one angle reference easily. You don't need to paint base colors. Fixing normals is one click. Set up reference is like 2 clicks. Unwrapping and fixing texels can be handled by plugins without you doing anything besides a couple clicks, will be packed in like one click.3D is>model (fast)>rig (fast)>animate (infinitely easier and faster than 2D, and looks better unless you are a master at 2D animation)>texture (slow, similar to just drawing something)2D>draw (slow)>animate (super slow and hard to make look good)>draw and animate from many different angles unless you're going for shit art (super duper slow)
>>579614475>>579614554Game that looks promising+Discord community+Artist community+WakuWaku distributor communityMost video games fail because of their concept.
>>579621392>sprites must be drawn from 2-4 angles*blocks your path*
>>579621392>sprites must be drawn from 2-4 anglesone angle and spine2d that suckerand don't forget how much easier backgrounds are>think of background>paint itez pz
>>579621450steam sutoa hatsubaichu!!
>>579621392see >>579612389that mother fucker only has 16 colors and only draws one angle for his sprites and most of them only have like one colormaybe you can work your way up, dog
star citizen but you're a cat
>>579622462True, I was going for customization in my game so trying to pass with just one angle and stiff sprites won't cut it for the audience I'm aiming for.I don't think 3D is a huge jump from 2D aside from learning new tools. Learning to draw well can take years, learning Blender and texturing is like ~1 year. Plus you can skip over a lot of texturing with photo bashing or whatever.
wing commander but you're a cat
>>579622179>people be like>that's 80k in revenue from a game like this
/AGDG/ - Steam Event Submissions Are Open!We're hosting and curating a Steam event for games made by (you). It's taking place later this year, and sign-ups are now open! So far we've had 9 people sign up and we want to get many more!The v3 event was a highlight for many devs, so definitely consider signing up for this: https://forms.gle/udv759Zeqp5weGw16
>>579603424>"Presented By: Fiona Gallagher"It's some sad troon trying to sound like a woman.
This might actually work, lets gooo
>>579623571
>My biggest gamedev weakness? Too many good ideas.
>>579623934my biggest gamedev weakness is my unc taste
>>579623934try to have many good ideas for your game, instead of having many good game ideas.
>>579623096How exactly is such an event going to be worth anything with a community as small as this, and with the only information about it being contained in this google form and in the posts you've left in this and the previous thread? Seems utterly fucking pointless, no chance in hell Valve is ever going to do anything for this "fest" or for anyone in it. Also, allowing submissions only for a week, 3 months in advance of the actual event seems like self-sabotage to such an extent, it almost makes me wonder whether this is something malicious.
>>579619795>release game on the day you run out of moneyso you're ready to be homeless?plus knowing which day it is makes it infinitely easier to know who you are, and you've also been mentioning specific game systems which trims it down. farewell anonymity.
>>579624062I think Valve still pushes it a little so I guess it might be worth it in that sense. I do agree that only allowing submissions for a week wasn't the brightest idea though.
if your game is not fun without art, you are not meant to make video games, I don't care what kind of awful coping mechanisms you have for coming here and pretending like you're posting on some elite secret game development board with a stigma and not some modern-day reddit, when even 16 years ago it wasn't even that abnormal for the average normal human being to post herewhoops, getting a little non-conciseyou have no passion, you aren't meant to make games or be a game developeryou are making games and posting at this place because it's overtly accessable to people like youI'm not going to talk about myself at all, don't even trylook at people like >>579615014even an awful game likehttps://diep.io/has people paying 5 dollars per month for colorful names, and the rest of the premium stuff is completely uselessyet people are playing that game, and not your gameI'm not particularily against your existence, simply do what you have passion for, you are the problem, you are why there is a market full of shovelware
>>579623934I respect gamers too much and assume that they're reasonable, intelligent people
>>579624301>pretending like you're posting on some elite secret game development boardI'm not pretending.
>>579614972Life on easy mode is a cushy office job where you do maybe 10 real hours of work a week and are paid well enough to raise a family, go on vacations, eat out, whatever.All you have to do is keep pushing away the feeling that you're not living up to your potential and your life is meaningless every few months.
>>579624569>>579624569>living up to your potentiali dont want to reach my full potential, it's an ego thing anyways. all animals just eat, sleep and have fun. that's the real full potential.sweating and tryharding makes people miserable, just look at esports. even in real sports. athletes look fucking angry all the time. they turned a game into an annoying tryharding competition.
can someone explain to me like i'm a retard, why can't i calculate point distance on a curve(specifically, unity's spline), using 2 T values and total distance of the curve?for example, t1 is 0.1. t2 is 0.2. total curve length is 100. then, real world distance between 0.1 and 0.2 should be 10, correct?supposedly that's only true for a curve that's been "arc-length normalized" but i don't understand this at all
>>579624770>"arc-length normalized"Basically means that's only true for constant curvature, like a circle.For something where the curvature changes with length this becomes a harder problem.Your intuition is correct but you'd have to do a line integral rather than just use the arc length formula.Not super familiar with Unity so I can't help you there but I could try to draw a diagram if that would help lol>t. engineering masters student
>>579625032well i'd appreciate a ELI5 explanation, really. i understand that a bezier curve is calculated mathematically, but i don't understand the math reason for this.if i have a 10 meter straight wire, and i'm at 0.5 of the wire, i'm 5 meters from the start of the wire, correct?if i have a 10 meter wire, and i bend it in whatever shapes, and i'm at 0.5 of the wire, i'm 5 meters from the start of the wire, correct?i know curves aren't real world wires but i'm simply to stupid to understand it any other way.
>>579625352NTAbezier curves are not a fixed length
>>579624062It worked for v3, it could work for Aggy.
>>579625797>bezier curves are not a fixed lengththanks, but why does it matter? if i have a curve, and i calculate it's total length, then at half the curve, i'm at half the curve's length, correct?
kek
>>579625352a bezier curve is a collection of segments. each segment has 2-4 points (linear 2, quadratic 3, cubic 4). the first and last point are the start and end position, the other 2 points define the curve. you can then pass in t between 0.0-1.0 to get the given point at the given t value.when 2 segments influence each other like in photoshop, then it's because they manually adjust the points of the neighbor segments to align the angles.
>>579626091What the heck is thatWho wants that
Alright, so I've counted all games that released yesterday. It's 170.Here is the breakdown:>n >= 0 reviews 170>n > 0 reviews80>n > 10 reviews26>n > 40 reviews 10Top 25:1,562 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4317690/Crimson_Moon/278 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4412000/Zad_Archery/141 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/777150/Adventure_Land__The_Code_MMORPG/93 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4609770/Not_Quite_Dead_Open_World_Survival/92 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/2082560/Mutagenic/75 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/3597200/Grail/71 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/3905450/WheelMates/67 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4925300/Unnamed_Pogo_Game/47 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/3828500/Deck__Conn/41 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4191350/Tales_of_Fear__Episode_Zero/38 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4436560/We_Need_More_Humans/33 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4126530/Bounty_Trail/32 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/339820/Starwalker/25 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1470810/Plushy_Store_Tidy_Up/23 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4935210/Homicide_Desk/22 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1496970/Masters_of_Mayhem/22 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/3214320/Wartheon/20 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/2271270/DEVILS_LIMINAL/19 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1636620/Cognition_Method/16 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/5019300/Padel_Tycoon/14 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4039680/Craft_Sell_Goblin_Repeat/14 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/5050370/Gun_Shop_Tidy_Up/13 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4157070/QPopGirl/12 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4105470/We_Are_Gum/11 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4334850/Carol_and_the_Bells_A_Cozy_Strategy_Game/Review buyer of the day:https://store.steampowered.com/app/5084260/Fireboy__Watergirl_1_The_Forest_Temple/
>>579626276shitty viral meme game idea, sloppers are rushing to get it to market first
>>579626024yes, however I was answering the question, bezier curves don't work like wire, they are different from where the points are movedto sample the distance, I would simply check the location of every 1/10th of the startpoint -> destination point and then sample the distance of those points, then use the sum
>>579626360>It's 170.
what sucks about bezier curves is that there's no formula to calculate the actual distance. you have to sample at intervals and sum the lines.
>>579626360>Review buyer of the day:>look inside>a cult classic flash game
>>579626091>ORIGINAL in capsule art>Shows up last in search
>>579626360Here is a random sample of games with no reviews.https://store.steampowered.com/app/3963640/DreamHero/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5071810/Glint_Grade/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4878720/Refund/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5075010/Laura_Bailey_Mysteries/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5091400/Brainrot_Clicker/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5087590/RouteScript/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4739600/Run_for_Office/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4911990/CompaDesk/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5036740/Sollervir/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4803530/Observe/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4756010/Aerial_Knights_MrFreezy/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4935670/DRIFT_ME/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5045900/Ninja_Cat/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4998320/Arrow_Rain/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5011990/Woolmates/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4992530/The_Hunted/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4901080/Magic_Shop_Simulator/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5062590/Cage_Empire_MMA_Manager/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5073100/Cyber_Classics_Collection/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4655940/Eternal_Eden_Resurgence/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4545750/Milliseconds_Matter_Precision_Platformer/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4331160/Ten_Pins_To_Oblivion/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4936840/Explorers_of_Palan/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4698050/NoodlePunk/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4994070/Venture_Capital_Tycoon/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4797800/NULL_TRACE/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5066420/Grim_Looters/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5089380/LIGHTBLADE/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4760680/Khudran_Saudi_National_Day/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4475590/Box_Game/https://store.steampowered.com/app/4256980/OshiYa/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5012660/Tower_Legends/
>>579626930so much fucking AI slop
>>579626178>>579626494i'm sorry but i don't get that at all. when i have a curve, it has length, correct? at 0.5 i'm at half length. i mean, how can i, mathematically, be at 0.5 of the curve and not be at half length of it?
Just tell the AI to implement bezier curves and be done with it. Fuckin 1900s niggas be like urggh me readan wikipedus me am hella smarrt homie knoein some math n shit
I hate AI so much.But I being unable to draw even more.But most of all, I hate living in constant fear of getting caught using heavily edited AI art in my work, so I spend so much time editing it, arguably making it look worse than it originally worse, enough so I could probably learn to draw in the time it would take me to produce a sufficient amount of assets for my game.But I won't, because I keep telling myself I cannot create anything beautiful.I'm the worst human being on this gay earth.
>>579626930>https://store.steampowered.com/app/4911990/CompaDesk/sex with bratty aislop animal
just like make drawing
with so many gaems being released how do I make sure my game isnt buried under a pile of shit?
Progress
>>579627073Fuck off, hater.I've been told that AI is like being trans: You wouldn't be able to tell unless someone told you.
is this AI discussion general?I want a cute AI generated 2d anime girl (3d) to dominate me using all of my favorite asmr fetishes and step on me in vr like all of my cute feet friendsthis is the endgame of AI in games
>>579627647Just get a tulpa. Much better than AI.
>>579627342see >>579624301
>>579626091This is what passionless jobbydevs have devolved to lmao
>>579623096only 9 signups kek
>>579625352The "line integral" basically refers to doing what >>579626178 said where you divide the line into small enough segments that each segment has constant curvature and its length can be calculated. Depending on the line this can be approximated with a sum of discrete measurable parts, though sometimes the sliver of the line with constant curvature is infinitesimally small so you use an integral.See pic related, sorry my handwriting is ass and I'm simplifying a lot. I don't use Unity so idk what exact functions to call to do this but you can't use the regular arc length formula for lines with arbitrary curvature.
>>579627161you are not at half length at 0.5you cannot calculate the length of a bezier curve sadly, unless you sample at intervals and sum up the distances between the sampled points.you only get a position/point at 0.5, but it's not at "half length of the curve", it's at "half interval of the curve".i think i've seen an absurdly massive formula on stackoverflow to calculate the length of a bezier cruve but i don't even know if it works.
>>579627817not unlike frog posters
By the way guys, check out the funny trailer of this flophttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3129780/Angry_Chef_World_Tour/
>>579628237"very confidently making a joke, laughing about it, but nobody else is laughing" energy
>>579628006Sorry uploaded it sideways.Bezier curves are defined with formulas that define the curvature for each segment (quadratic, cubic, exponential, etc), so if you know the bounds of where each formula applies (your T values) you can sum up the length of each one. If those bounds or the formulas are unknown I don't really know if you can get the length without doing some kind of approximate Riemann sum type math.
>>579626091wtf AGDG told me I shouldn't worry about people stealing your idea and finishing it before you.
>>579628570Everything is derivative and no ideas are really that new.Any idea you can come up with for anything has almost certainly been tried before in some form, or has at least been thought of if not tried.If you worry too much about this you'll end up never posting your game and validating your ideas before putting too much work into something that might not work.
>>579626360>170Is this a joke?how do I verify it on a third party site?
>>579626930>https://store.steampowered.com/app/5075010/Laura_Bailey_Mysteries/They're gonna get sued for this one. They're using the actress's name and a character that looks a lot like her and it doesn't seem like she's associated at all.
>>579628570that was presupposing you're making an actual game, not a meme for twxtter points.But yeah, if you have a meme-"game" idea, don't post about it until you're ready to release desu
>>579628935>They're gonna get sued for this one.That would require people to notice that the game exists in the first place.>>579628927Verify what? The number of games released yesterday?
>>579628935That developer released 18 games in the past 16 months and they have a combined total of 5 reviews.
Where are the hippo games?
>>579629148>Verify what? The number of games released yesterday?yes, did you just go through the steam list? i can't be arsed.
>>579626930Ten Pins to Oblivion actually looks fun.I clicked on it expecting some Balatro clone bowling roguelike but it's more like bowling with Mario Kart items.UI looks like shit and the dev is a nobody so it was doomed from the start, unfortunately.
>>579628013>>579628006okay. 2 more questions pleasethen, why can't you calculate the length?if i can't calculate the length, what does spline.CalculateLength(); in unity do? i mean, it clearly says "length". does it do the whole "chop it into small pieces" thing?
>>579626930I wonder if I could take this list for appeal to my euthanasia panelit'sfuckingover
sometimes I think a large amount of devs just like making games and arent chasing successthey do like no marketing, optimization, just making games
>>579629252Yes.I'll put it in a pastebin for you.https://pastebin.com/9vbaawsb
>>579629212GABEEEEEEEEEEN INCREASE THE SUBMISSION PRICE ALREADY
>>579629347Good games don't need marketing.
>>579629307i don't know what unity does, but i'd 99% guess that yes, it actually calculates it from adding segments. (which is what people also recommend on stackoverflow etc.)and the function name kinda indicates that it's doing that. so CalculateLength() doesn't return a cached number, it calculates it every time.(unless they calculate it on changes and cache it).
>>579629267I'm so glad that game flopped in particularyou want to make wacky streamerbait meme games? DIEyou want to play those games? DIE
>>579629430You don't really believe that do you?
>>579628687>Any idea you can come up with for anything has almost certainly been tried before in some formYeah if you're being obtusely reductionist and abstract all ideas into "you do stuff".There was no Getting Over It before Getting Over It. Obviously there were climbing games, there were "awkward control" games and games with narrative, but no game with the exact combination of concepts such as Getting Over It. Look at Minecraft, Lego existed for decades, and the voxel technology was taken from Infiniminer, yet it still ended up being the first sandbox Lego game you can play on PC. Outer Wilds, there's barely any game out there like it, even though there are games with timeloops and space exploration separately. There ARE original ideas. You're just trying to cope with your own lack of creativity by saying that orange is obviously not a new color, just a red and yellow ripoff.
>>579629606Getting Over It is literally just Sexy Hiking.
>>579629307>does it do the whole "chop it into small pieces" thing?I'm a GodotChad so I don't know anything about Unity but to my knowledge that is literally the only way to calculate the length so yes. I'd look up the Unity docs. What do you need to do this for anyway?Usually if you're running into an impossible problem it means you're going about it the wrong way.
>>579629538rather, they market themselves
>>579629509>i don't know what unity does, but i'd 99% guess that yes, it actually calculates it from adding segments. (which is what people also recommend on stackoverflow etc.)okay thanks. assuming that it does that, i guess 0.5 of the spline != half length of the spline? doesn't matter how i calculate that length?
>>579629724if marketing wasnt important, it wouldnt be a trillion dollar industry
>>579629695>Getting Over It is literally just Sexy Hiking.Okay then what is Sexy Hiking?
>170 games per dayI am getting black pilled
>>579629784marketing is very important for mediocre things, which is why it's so huge.
>>579629784>if essential oils weren't important, they wouldn't be a trillion dollar industry
>>579629727yes, 0.5 is only the position at that interpolation value, not at half the actual length.
>>579629870Essential oils arent a big industry, your point fails>>579629860Marketing is the most important aspect of any success story
>>579629914okay thanks. i still don't get the math behind itthanks for having the patience to answer these questions, you and others. i truly appreciate it
>4 - https://store.steampowered.com/app/4997240/Nonoko_Lofi_Days/w-why is she looking at me like that ...
>>579629727"The length of a Bézier curve segment cannot be expressed with a simple formula, but it can be approximated using numerical methods. Typically, the length is calculated by evaluating the curve at multiple points and summing the distances between these points."
>people spend all their time watching game dev tutorials>the game dev tutorials
>>579630021she wants to watch progress with you!
>>579630019https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnYccz1Ha343 minute watch
even sts would be nowhere without marketing
What if I just took all of "my" totally non-derivative ideas and shoved them into one game? The control scheme and art might keep changing but games like Roblox show that it's not a problem.
>>579629727I'll give you a simple example. Draw a semicircle with vertices A and B.The shortest path from A to B is the diameter of the circle, D, and the path that follows the arc of the circle, S, is pi*D/2, (half the total circumference, since it's a semicircle).S > D. If you took the curved line S and straightened it, it would certainly be longer.How do you define half the length of the semi circle?Half of S? Half of D? The two numbers aren't the same. Which one you use depends on what your needs are. CalculateLength() appears to give you S. If you want D just use the standard formula for the distance between two points, which is much simpler.
Make something that you want to play, and your game will sell itself.
>>579629606What I'm saying is those are just older ideas repackaged in a new way.Notch actually was very open about the development of Minecraft and posted early videos about it that people dismissed as a knock off of some other game.I'm not trying to cope with anything, you're just too young to know this and haven't been kicked in the balls enough times by life to be jaded like me.
>>579630562didnt work for sts for examplethey had to relyo n marketing
>>579631135Am I supposed to know what sts is?
>>579630251>>579630379okay thanks i think i get itin that video, the curve's T 0.5 (or rather Q 0.5) is when both of those lerp points are at 0.5but that's not equal to the length of the curve, i see it now, when i visually saw those lerp points moving, i think i understood it.so basically a bezier curve is a lerp of 2 lerps of 3 lerps
>>579631213Do you even play games?
If you just make a good game the invisible hand of the algorithm will put your game in front of everyone who needs to see it.
>>579631405I accept your concession.
>>579631276exactly. as i said, the biggest problem with bezier is that you cannot get the length easily. you have to sample at specific intervals and add up the point distances together.but when you actually render a bezier curve, you usually do that by sampling points at intervals too, and building a "line-mesh". so you can still get the 100% correct length of those connected lines.unity's spline tool probably offers you a setting for that precision/nr of samples.
>>579631135What marketing did they rely on and how large were they before that marketing?
>>579631276Glad I could help, like I said I'm a student so I'm still just learning some of this stuff myself. Explaining it to someone else is helping me learn it too.
>>579631872story according to them was that they were very small still a chinese streamer picked up the game, then it blew up in china followed by the rest of the world
>>579631992And now Chinese players are reviewbombing them and making the game a balancing nightmare. Live by the chink, die by the chink.
>>579615901Or he could like, use AI>>579615602
>>579632083Its a chinky world and were just living in it
Ape Escape, but you are the ape (versus friendslop)
>>579632120saaar
>>579631592>>579631924thanks>unity's spline tool probably offers you a setting for that precision/nr of samples.it doesn't, at least i don't see any setting that doesfyi, i checked what CalculateLength() does, and it creates something called NativeSpline, and then gets the length of thatand it does that in it's constructor method, i put it here just fyi https://pastebin.com/e4jmcGqR, https://pastebin.com/D3nBkVHB. i think it does what you said it does, chops the curve portion into 30 parts and calculates the distances on those
>>579632204>>
>publish steam page yesterday>set release date for novermber>zero marketing, don't mention it anywhere at all>wake up today>350 page views, 10 wishlists? where the fuck do they find the page
>his game doesnt have a Tanema localizationngmi
>>579631992i dont remember thati just remember sts being an awesome af game>>579632320https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people
>>579632506theres a newly added games tab in the store
>>579632581>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_peopleis there a tally somewhere? i'd like to get on the leaderboard if at all possible
>>579632556TL note: Tanema is the least spoken language in the world
>>579632506It's all AI scapers. Yes even the wishlists, they wishlist random games so it doesn't look like they're just scraping.
>>579632556My game doesn't even have an English localization and I only use character encodings that are incompatible with ASCII to make localizing it into English even harder in case someone tries.
>>579632506Either Steam sends some organic traffic or they find it via keyword search on Google. My total flop still gets 30-40 pageviews a day and a wishlist or two a week.
>>579629538I believe it for games on our level to some extent. Like most would be happy with 100k+ sales. If you can't get that with a great game, either a great demo, and great art and just basic posts across instagram, x, tiktok, I feel like marketing won't help you. It just means nobody cares about your game. Like it would help, but what would a streamer playing a terrible game even do? What would ads do if your game looks stupid and has no content? Many games here got pretty big because they looked cool or had a great demo and sold themselves.
>>579632923That could be it, I forgot I stole some basedboy's game name beacuse mine was better and registered it on Steam cuz he only had itch page.
>>579632998>and just basic poststhats the marketing Im talking aboutso you basically agree
>>579629606outer wilds is a ripoff of mercenary for amiga
>>579632506He grandpa, its called bots
>>579633089So basically your idea of marketing is literally just a post on X than 100 people see. Well ok, fine then.
>>579632770>Yes even the wishlists, they wishlist random games so it doesn't look like they're just scraping.is there ANY reliable metric left on the internet anymore?
>>579633196The internet was not made for you. Not sure how much more obvious they need to make that.
>>579632206But we're already apes....
>>579633171Id call that marketing yeah, even if it isnt very successful
I just ran into a legit amazing untapped gold mine of an idea but it's autismo on the level of trains (but it's not about trains at all) so it might not be as good as I think it might be, but it's up there with Beethoven as a timeless cult classic type of game and endures the winds of change like cats on the internet. I'm amazed that it hasn't been done before. I can't, no, I wont say what it is and I have no interest in developing it myself since I'm not in it for profit, but I thought it was amazing and just wanted to share.
Sayaka escapea game where you catch lolis as an ape
>>579633394Yes we've all thought about making incest vns
>>579633474>flag sandles
Incel escapea game where you touch your peepee all day like a retarded monkee
>need to rework game level progression structure, 3 bosses and 2 mini bosses before the timer endsaaaaaaa
>>579633770:(
>>579633770the game should be about going back in time but this time you are trying to not be social recluse to willingly end up an incel
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3905450/WheelMates/this actually looks interesting, and the free option for a friend is a good ideahowever, pricing this higher than a much more passionate game such as beamng is a way to make me forget the game exists by the time a sale occurs
>>579633879are you trying to motivate yourself by setting a timer?
>>579634507reminds me of that old game I played as a kid at friend's place on PS1 that I could never ever find again, something about driving small cars and PvPing with them
>>579634172That's just Mujaki no Rakuen but a game
>>579634507You guys are addicted to browsing steam. Like completely hopelessly addicted.
>>579634580this is the demo day deadline>>579634507how did he do that? I wanted to do something similar but the Steam networking lobbies do not allow cross-app connections and this would require an app with different ID, wonder how did he make it, hosting his own infra outside of steam?
>>579634680I'm a driving/physics enthusiast, I saw "wheel" in the anon's post, go reply to him instead of me
kick rocks 3d? it could be a esport like skip rocks in video game form
>>579634507>rc car game>i'm working on a rc car game prototypeoh, i see.
>>579634507ohhhh this looks really good
what if instead of spinning a tale, you turned tail? the hero has fled as a theme
>>579634645Twisted Metal?
>>579633879For me it's adjusting the entire game's worth of price balancing, adjusting the difficulty of each and every level since I reworked so many of them, and I swear I forgot that I have to actually set up spawning for boss enemies or special levels until I've read your post. To make matters worse, I spent today in a state of dissociation, barely doing anything. DD100, here I come!
are good ideas obvious and you have to keep them a secret so nobody steals them. or are good ideas hidden in plainsight and it takes intelligence to even notice it, so only the guy who notices its a good idea makes it, even if 1000 other people see the same idea?it'd mean that the problem isn't idea finding, it's idea noticing.
>>579610682It's called appeal. Something AGDG could learn from.
>>579635457I have an idea I think is worth millions and if i said it, it would be stolen instantly. But it would be done in a shitty way. But it wouldn't matter, the gimmick alone would sell. It'll be my first serious game after I finish my current project. I wanted a test project that's easy to release just to learn the whole process a-z before trying a serious game. But I really believe given how unique it is, how easy it is, that someone would steal that shit instantly.
>>579589267I'm reviving an old game where the enemies moved like chess pieces.I have no idea how I'm going to balance this game.
>>579622543Wing Commander?
>>579635265>the hero has fled as a themeresident evil, half life, that invincible mutant in dead space, the matrix, dungeon meshi, star wars 4/5, the thing, and so on
>>579635854It's about bears isn't it? It's always about bears.
>>579636071>>579622709
>>579635946>waifuland>no waifu
>>579636348there's a huge one in that webm, anon
instead of "Save Game" you could have it be "Shave Game" haha and the player would have to move the mouse cursor across a mustache to shave it and confirm lolthere's a freebie for ya go ahead and take it I don't mind plenty more where that came from
>>579636896damn, this is gold
>>579615765reminder that betz needs your games to monetize his showhttps://files.catbox.moe/9rdpuo.mp4
>>579635946>dev in handle
>>579636213It does actually. Polar Revenge. Global Warming has put pressure on the Polar Bear populations, as a result they move further into human territory. Conflict occurs. The bears go from wanting food, to wanting revenge. It's all an allegory for the Goth migrations during the late Roman Empire.
>>579637205keep it, use it my dude really I'd be gladfirst come first serve though just to be fair, if someone else uses it first say la v, I can't do anything about thatHave fun and good luck with your game! see ya
>>579637471>/agdg/ makes woke games now
>>579595257So assuming evolution theory is true we can expect one of these to develop consciousness at some point or what?
>>579635457I used to dabble in stand up comedy, and you'd often see different amateur comedians tell the same exact jokes every few weeks.A lot of them were even pretty funny, at least the first time you'd heard them.But after hearing the same jokes week after week you begin to hate them and think the comedians telling them are bad.I talked to a more experienced comic about it and he called them the "low hanging fruit" jokes, and that it's a phase almost every amateur comedian goes through before realizing they need to put a lot more effort in to stand out.Same shit with game dev, or anything else really. Whatever you can think of, if you could come up with it that means the millions of other people with your interests and intelligence level could too. Even with comedy a lot of jokes you hear are generally the same premise but the delivery or specific words used is what makes them funny and original enough.
>>579637754You didn't so why would it?
where the FUCK are the CRPGs?
>>579637967in purgatory because western devs have no idea how to modernize them (decouple from tabletop shit)
modding is the best test to see if you are actually a good idea guy. coming up with something new for a real game that already has lots of mods, and people actually want to play your mod, that is hard idea guying work.
>>579638157you sound like someone who plays japanese trash
I don't know if I'll make into DD but I'll not post any pictures of my prototype until I post it there, if I manage to make it in time that is.
>>579638606most novice devs they have a great idea and that they'll oneshot it with the first game they make, so why waste time making a mod for someone else's game?
>RPGs are boring>Look inside>Player min/maxxed the game to the point that the gameplay became them doing something monotonous for hours so they can spend as little time as possible on the actual fun parts of the gameYou see it with Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Skyrim, really any game with role playing elements.How do I prevent this in the RPG I'm working on? Of course players will always try to optimize the fun out of a game, and you can't really prevent that. Like I made a roguelike and one player was complaining that the sound effects when resetting a game were getting annoying because he would reset the game over and over to get the "optimal" start of a run.I just don't want people to spend 20 hours grinding low level enemies and then complain that the game is bad because they beat all the interesting battles by mashing A with an overleveled character.
>>579637967can't sand it to a jam with a 30 hour game
https://www.charliecleveland.com/ugliness-needed/make prototypes
>>579637656Bro, it's called riffing for the fun of it, everyone knows global warming isn't fucking real, its' just fake global threat #58 they tried coming up with to usher in global courts and global taxes.
>>579638746Look at the SaGa series for inspirationIt has an anti-grind design, in most of them the more you grind the more your battle rank goes up and the harder enemies become. Fuck around and raise your battle rank too high too early and you may get your shit pushed in by regular encountersSaGa Frontier is a good one to study
>>579638882one of the more useful links being posted here, thanks
