>Latest patch:https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450?emclan=103582791474686175&emgid=67625562344521860>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/https://deadlock-api.com/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/https://www.deadfrag.com/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>579957703
Fuck gunslop and fuck this game
>go afk in low prio game>team wins>low prio removedit's really that easy
Venator could use some buffs, don't know what but he could.
ONE MORE BODY FOR THE PILE
it takes this long for the sandbox guardian to fall. I was busy doing shit and just had the game idle and heard this falling eventually.
>>580062521uaaghh holli sex
>>580063260>cheat mods
>>>580060854>VindictaIt honestly feels like Talon and Vindicta's staminas should be the other way around.It seems like the general MO between them is that Vin is the "true sniper" so she is squishy and slow so that she keeps her distance while Talon is more like a "battle sniper" so he is nimbler and sturdier to weave in and out of fights.But in reality Talon is both better at greater distances AND much more mobile, since his main source of damage (if spirit) has no damage falloff, his snare can cover blindspots/insta curse anyone that gets too close and his ult can hit people anywhere.In contrast Vindicta is the one that needs to be closer to the action because her main source of damage is susceptible to falloff, her entire kit is dive focused (stake and crows are pretty much focus fire tools) and her ult requires LoS, but she is much squishier and slower and has no get out of jail cards like Talon does.
>>580063260Once I ran an experiment to see if my team would win in sandbox if I just killed one trooper in blue and did nothing else.The first walker to fall was the enemy's, but in a sideline. The other two lanes were even.So the RNG completely nullified my impact on the flow of the NPCs.
>>580063260>>580063747now try with heroic aura
the worst thing about being in shitlow is that people don't know how to end games, the supposed game deciding teamfight ended at 30 minutes yet it took until 60-65 minutes for the game to end, it's worse if you are at the losing end of this. Makes it very draining to play more than 2 games a day
>>580062946Ven players need iq buffs But also I think he will exist as dumb dev insurance, if we ever had a triple frontline meta he would become op so he keeps it in check
>>580063901The trick is to just call for mid constantly, win or lose the game ends faster
>>580064065His win rate is shit all the way to the top ranks.
>>580064394>take mid>team just goes back to farmingI want out
>>580064513Did I stutter? Ven players need iq buffs, ven players referring to the set of all players who play ven including and not limited to high ranks
>>580063901>>580064394This. And if your teammates ignore you, go in there and do midboss by yourself, regardless of if they have Dynamo ult up (ABSOLUTELY go solo midboss if enemy dynamo is dead). The way the ranked system works, you want more games faster. So what if there was a chance you could've squeezed a victory out of that one game if you let it go to 70 minutes? The shields will ensure it doesn't matter if you speed up the 60 minute games and end up losing, eventually you'll get your streak of 20 minute stomp wins where everyone in your team is kicking ass and everyone on the enemy team can't do anything, and rank up instantly with a new set of shields. Stalling out 70 minute games means it'll take longer for matchmaking to finally give you that streak of stomps
>>580062946i wish nades were charged by defaultand then i wish he could alt cast nade to have it blow up on surface contactand then be able to nadeboost
>>580064065>Ven players need iq buffsThis but Silver.
>Here's you're fucking team bro
>>580066187Hey buddy I think you got the wrong door. The leather club's two blocks down
>>580066187That Vin cosplayer is a coward.
>>580065126You have to be really low IQ to pick the obviously weakest and most worthless hero in the game, yes
>>580066187who would willingly cosplay as mcginnis, who looks at annoying feminist woman and says "yes, i want to dress up as her"
>>580066395I'd be afraid of a random ass foot infection just because I walked barefoot too
>>580066187Victor guy should gone beyond and also had fake stitches.
Holliwife
>lose game with a massive gap>6m walker dead etc>check profiles>my entire team is russiannot even funny ban VPNs
>>580067257This game is literally unplayable past early noon because all of the alcoholic niggers wake up and ruin every game. You will go legitimately hours without hearing english comms.
>>580062521>>580063274>>580063514>>580067232>smells like booze, cigs, and sweat >hasn't trimmed her bush since her first marriageBro, nobody's touching that
>>580067795You're describing Silver.
>be me, the Venator>get the most braindead monkey team and enemies imaginable>manage to get down all the walkers super early on, as usual, though you had to win a few 1v2s to manage the later two of them>neither side wants to finish but your side doesn't follow you either and you're only 20k ahead at all times so you can't take on 3 characters in a fight at the same time>these monkeys still do nothing and even try to teach YOU how to play despite giving away our walkers on a silver platter while I'm locked in the fight somewhere else entirely>I tend to watch the minimap all the time and even during combat, and I was slipping into insanity seeing that Dynamo walking away full hp from our yellow walker despite Talon blinking on the minimap repeatedly signaling that he wanted to get in there, just so Talon could take it for free>you recall after winning a 1v2 and don't even heal just sprint to yellow over zipline>kill Talon in 2 melee hits (knockdowned him) but the walker was given away literally for NOTHING so I just stood there like I was about to die irl in 7 seconds>manage to get first base guardians on your own>but the enemies have learned to see a red alert light whenever they see me as a team so from now on I'm only ever fighting 4 or more players at the same time, for roughly 30 seconds every time>your team obviously did literally nothing and even somehow lost even more lead in the meantime>we're so behind as a team (??? HOW) that we cannot even take on teamfights anymore at all>not that my team could manage to do that earlier anyways, it's just that I was forced to be everywhere on the damned map to make sure they didn't kill themselves or our two remaining walkers all the time>try to tell your team what to do but they only ever talk about yapping as if I was interested in their fetishes>30 more minutes pass because the monkeys on the opposite side of the game are just as dumb and can't finish>the clock is past 50th minute
>>580067902>your team successfully managed to void your entire advantage by letting the enemies reach their full builds for literally nothing in return>hear the third rejuvenator descending for the opponents this match but know that you cannot contest it at all>tell your team to just push (they don't somehow, like, HOW, it's the ONLY thing they could have been doing then and still didn't do it)>the entire lobby besides me and enemy Graves had less than 1000 souls a minute>manage an impossible 1v4 in front of your Patron but die for it>team manages to finish the other two off>teamwipe, 5 of my players alive, I did it, even though I had to die for it>ping and tell them that we can easily take the first phase of their patro- WHERE ARE THEY GOING!?>WHY ARE THEY SPREADING INTO JUNGLE???>FARMING MONSTERS AT FULL BUILDS??? NOT EVEN URN IS UP! NO RIFTS! I PUSHED BOTH SIDELINES BEFORE THE 1V4!>WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY GOING?!>enemy team respawns before they even made it to the guardians>they teamwipe us in a 6v5>I'm supposed to kill them 1v6 now>...>the match took 61 minutes>a regular damned match>still 1/15 wins until I can go ranked with himHow the hell is anybody supposed to ever get to play ranked like this?It feels like there is no agency in it whatsoever. Just a coinflip of whether my accumulative <100IQ team is going to have the better teamcomp for deathballing like a literal animal.Nothing else ever matters.This isn't even a god damned lose streak, because I don't lose these games. These are coinflips and I rolled bad many times in a row.(yeah, guess what's that called dumbass) There was no game.The old system at least allowed you to play the game with people who know the bare minimum because you could have been a solid Oracle while borderline trolling just like I was.The game makes no sense now. You cannot play the only mode where people try because you didn't play for 40h on that character in the mode where people actively try to lose.
>>580067883silver has never trimmed
Viscous is just a broken retard character and the only bad ability is his ultWhat the fuck were they thinking
I fucking hate victor
>>580068425Spirit burn?
https://files.catbox.moe/65f379.mp4
>>580067902>>580068079if you need help falling asleep, tell yourself that story
>>580068518Elaborate.
>>580068467>Spirit burn?What about it? Does it disables his absurd damage output? Or his ability to resurrect 4 times in a row with a rejuv?
>>580068774Yeah, nobody builds lifesteal on Victor anymore because 70% reduction is in the most generic spirit damage build.You literally can't heal unless you exclusively fight gun and tank characters.
>>580067902>>580068079should've bought active reload
We're getting close to a PVE mode, so making a wishlist of what enemies would fit in seems like a cool idea:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/pve-enemy-ideas.160848/(Art was the thumbnail of a Strawman Studio production)
>>580066395I've had foot infections before any nobody with any sense should be barefoot in a public location.
>>580068971Infuser Victor was always a noob bait/stomper build anyway. You want max jumpstart and rapid recharge so you can keep poooooomping and doomping pain bats.
man I was so pumped to play wardogs today just to find out the open beta ended last night.Now I gotta slink back into this..... thing
>>580068975It’s better than the titanic that some are buying
>>580068971>You literally can't heal unless you exclusively fight gun and tank characters.Gun gets silencer which cucks your spirit damage output for landing a single bullet (not even including the silence part if they trigger it)Pair that with inhibitor and victor suffers against both m1s and spirit nukersCeleste works with healing since she has infinite mobility alongside it, victor is a slow ass chud so he just flatlines the moment you counterbuy.
>>580069324Oh damn, you're right. I forgot about it.So yeah he basically doesn't get to play. A close-ranged combat character cannot reliably heal in any capacity unless it's super early on (which Victor hates to be in) or against a tank which you'd have no issues with surviving against anyways.
>>580069294we heard you the first time zoomie
>>580069179Forgot to add this image for attention
>>580069294yeah I'm unironically just quitting this game perma when wardogs comes out. I had so much fun on that game for the first time in forever and then I slink back into this shit and it's literally just misery simulator. here you go bro here's a bunch of retarded russian niggers to babysit for 20-30 minutes depending on how merciful the enemy team is feeling. please enjoy your """europe west""" lobby where no one looks at the map and everyone hugs jungle feeding bags to a deathball on repeat. you would think it would take all of one game for these slavic pigs to wise up and think that's a retarded idea. but no they do it for literally 3k hours straight and climb upwards on a 45% winrate.
>>580069309both active and titanic should hwid ban anyone buying them on any hero
>>580068274Cute, who is she?
Crushing fists is bis on paradox no?
>>580069916Yesget's your item level high enough to do the heroics
If I ban every server except EU west could I avoid Ruskies or
So glad ascendant means absolutely nothing and people with 40% winrates are climbing here!
My idea for the PVE mode's premise would be>Graves and her Lich won the ritual>the city is now full of Zombies and the Lich resurrected herself (or took over Grave's body, in the latter Graves would not be playable)>4-5 heroes are the other canonicaly survivors >every other you didn't select are undead and are special enemiesthink L4D / TF2 MvM and the special enemies are zombiefied heroes based>the ritual is over so it's night time nowCity overrun with supernatural zombies is just cool. The main goal would obviously be defeating the Lich. You could also do it Versus style if you want the special undead to be play controller. The abilities would be suped up zombie versions
I'm so sick of carries being just objectively better than the rest of the cast regardless of soul level or game time shouldn't these boosted niggers at least have to farm first
>>580070048no because they too are doing the exact same trick to avoid eachother because deep down they realise they're non-white and despise eachother. but in typical shit skin fashion they don't take any accountability or have any introspection so they just continue acting like niggers and drag every single thing down along with them. I'm convinced white europeans just stop queueing on deadlock at certain hours and certain days now. you're literally just logging in to coin flip at that stage. "which team got the braindead russian monkeys that have 0 game sense, brawl constantly and never farm and get outscaled and raped at 25m"
Why is there no fatass vindicta mod complete with heavyBreathing.wav during flight?
>>580061848McG players are fucking studs apparently.
>>580069517I'm fine with victor's current state even if that means he's shackled by being a low elo dominator with meh phantom and above performance I member when they implemented that inbuilt lifesteal reduction on him, holy shit that was aids.Maybe nerf some of his counter items (Seriously spirit burn is retarded), that's it.
>>580060854Silver and holli suffer from having a movment ability, silver's movment ability can be casted twice due to wolf form and in regards to holli it's a charged ability that can be used multiple times.The devs also hate cool southern cowgirl/boy characters, i demand for justice for my favorite cowpokes
its funny how drifter's whole thing is being this infinite scaling assassin who gets damage amp on heroes who are alone but every other hero in that role is WAY better than he is at it
>>580070068>work my ass off climbing out of froglow>mystic players play even worse but at least I can solo carry them compared ro ratlow coinflipsWhat rank do people start getting better at the game and I don't need to teach a macro 101 class every lobby?
Drifter has no identity kit wise, he needs a mini rework.
>>580070048Just ban every server except NA east and london.
>>580070068I gave up climbing after getting phantomThis rank shit does not matter when you have negative winrate shitters running it down when they belong in ritualist
>>580071223Sorry but slavs are starting to show up in my NA games
>>580071341Than the solution is to block every server but the russian server if you don't want to play with russians.
>>580068327To be fair a bad ult is a really big downside to have.Not that goo ball is a bad ability though.
>>580071268Tbh Phantom seems ideal it's a high rank but not the highest so boostees don't want it. Floating there at a 50% wr seems fine.
>>580070164Pauling owes me sex
>>580071025Just give him morde ult so he can duel people lol.
>weapon damage>spirit power>closes distance immediately>disarms (good against m1's)>silences movement skills (good against spirit nukers)>drags people to the ground and slows them (good against mobile characters)>cooldown shorter than dispelI'm starting to think that phantom strike is kinda overstatted.
I have played nothing but Street Brawl for 3 days.
>>580072430>>silences movement skills (good against spirit nukers)
>>580071223>>580071341serverpicker x doesn't even fucking work anymore. if I select london only I'll get spain like 5 games in a row. you have to be a full VPN abusing nig nog to get away with it now.
>>580070652High test woman for high test men
>>580071858my favourite part about climbing is that I'll have 45% wr retards flaming a utility build that by all means would have a function if they would leave jungle for 30 seconds. it's like they expect everyone to just build glass cannon and they're giving you shit over buying hex/decay/heroic aura and shit. it's insane to me. I'm doing a good thing and not only are they not smart enough to do the same by picking up counter items, they're dumb enough to flame people for doing it. meanwhile enemy team is just utility all over raping my entire team and these dumbo retards can't figure out why.
>>580066187seex with doorman ooooh
I've been buying Siphon Bullets on every M1 recently. What a ridiculous item. Every M1 becomes a tank with it.
>>580073763now just remember it used to do 65 flat and you could quite literally just rush it in lane and rape people with it
>>580063514>It honestly feels like Talon and Vindicta's staminas should be the other way around.Fuck no, also GT needs to be lobotmised in general >inb4 he's not good rightGood, he was one of the most cancer heroes when he wasOP
>>580073763M1s shouldn't have green damage items its retardedInhib and siphon bullets are the most overloaded nonsense
buff vindictashes the worst DPS in the game right now and im tired to pretending like she's B or A tier because retards can't play around her.
>>580074524no because fuck snipers
>NEW Warden builds COMPLETELY BREAKS THIS HERO!!!!!!!!!>its the exact same build every warden runs since the item updatewere we pretending to be retarded for a whole year or something? he goes from B tier you are shitlow if you complain about him, GETS NERFED FOR A WHOLE YEAR and now he's SSS++ tier elo potion out of the blue?
>>580074524>vindicta>worst DPSNigger she has like 4 or 5 different sources of DPS not to mention the free glass cannon(but on steroids) she gets every 8 kills or assists
Infernus is a faggot characterwhy does he get Spirit Burn AND Escalating Exposure for free?
Ivy might be my favorite character but idk what I'm supposed to be doing with her ult most of the time
>>580074770>4-5 different sources of DPS>free glass cannon every 8 killsshe doesnt get a free glass cannon every 8 kills, and I want you to name all different sources of DPS she has so I can factually tell you why your wrong.
>>580074821hehehehehehehehe
>>580074524she literally does 0 damage at the moment its insane how weak and useless she is. the silver obsessed freaks who dictate game balance must hate her too, she's so weak and yet stays this way? D tier hero fr
>>580075429Yo Doctor Wiley's in this game?
>>580074821he literally doesn't
I wish vindicta and paige were real :(
>>580071192What on earth do you mean? His identity is chasing people down and isolating them for they try to flee a team fight.>RendClose range ability that silences people so they can't fight back or use their abilities to get away.>Stalker's markInstantly catch anyone who tries to run if you can land the skillshot>BloodscentShould be self explanatory. You can see people's trails and hear their heartbeat, and you get bonus movespeed and damage against anyone who ignores the buddy system.>Eternal nightBig funny movespeed ability that makes 3 enemies count as being alone. Useful for making enemies accidentally get separated, or for getting some free stacks off the end of a teamfight where nobody is splitting up. It's also really funny to do urn runs with but that's hardly a good use of the cooldown.
>Holliday in the OPI like Holliday's aesthetic I just don't like her kit that much. I hate how you have to punch the barrel to give it velocity when that should be the standard upon casting it. Not to mention the amount of times I hit wifi parries chasing a Holliday on her bounce pad is hilarious because they almost always turn around to try to hit you with a barrel.>inb4 she is a pick characterYeah and there a other pick characters that are 10x better than her like Lash, Mo&Krill, and Bebop.
>>580074840whatever you want I thinkturn fair fights into unfair ones, fly across the map and dump a possibly silencing and stunning (if you buy scroll) nuke on peoplethen latch onto someone, maybe heal them if you have nova, and fightor take someone with you when you go to fuck them up harder. Just hope that whoever you pick up isn't a lunatic who decides to throw because you pulled them away from their 30 minute solo lane farm simif you're lucky you can also save people from a gank or use it to escape one if the ult doesn't get turned off first. It's not ideal but you can stone form and then ult if you're lucky, fast, and their aim sucks
>>580074926>ult: +10% Weapon Damage Per Kill at max level>assists count too as long as the ult lands within seconds of the target dying>glass cannon: +80% Weapon Damage -13% Max HealthAs for the sources of DPS, her ult(1) her gun scaling with spirit(2) gun items, investments and boons boosts all of this to 5 or depending on how you look at it, either way, imo if she needs a buff it should be to other things besides her dps>so I can factually tell you why your wrong.I'm not interested in arguing faggot, i stated my opinion on the matter and you're free to believe that she needs 5000% more gun dps to become barley viable
>>580075741I just play gun Holliday cause the barrels and jump pads are kinda lame and gay
Satchel and stone form should be slowing hex able
how do you deal with this fucking wraith hero>don't let her farmshe has two spades, a joker, her ult, and is primed to gigarape anyone who dares interrupt her farmville session
>>580071192and other dumb shit dlg says
I hate infernus so fucking much man
>>580076795Why? Neither are movement abilities.The fix to Pocket is making cape be a movement ability baseline (and not just the teleport part) and making his cooldowns go off when abilities end, not when they begin.The fix to Ivy is... nothing! She is perfect.
shitlow is WAY too kill horny>diving low HP heroes under tower>tower is LITERALLY 1hp and laser beaming him>dies with 0 killsJust kill the tower dumbfuck
>>580075736Drifter needs more rape abilities, as the rapist hero of Deadlock he needs more rape. Replace his mark with Hunter pounce, same effects but it's a skillshot lunge.
>>580076949Curse, CC spam or just one shot her with Drifter or calicoStill a cancer hero though I agree
>>580076949You don't, she's like Celeste in that she will always be OP because she's a dev favorite, somehow.
Somewhat ironically I don't think Drifter has raped anyoneI get the sense he thinks that's beneath him
>>580074589You say that but old Warden builds sucked in comparison with people buying meme items like Spellslinger.
>>580076079>gun hollidaydon't forget to buy active reload! going ricochet glass cannon holliday is surely not report worthy!
>>580075429so hair is a cosmetic you can change?
>>580077858>MurderA-Okay!>RapeRape is worse than murder
>1 kill>MID MID MID MID MID GO GO GO!>Max Paradox ult off CD >Max Paradox bomb off CD with echo shard>Paradox no where on map>Yeah lets go midWhere do people learn this tech?
>>580077929spellslinger was BIS for warden when his gun damage was busted. spirit warden is much stronger after the nerfs so merc mag+overflow is obviously much better now
>>580078101drifter sounds like he basically hates humans, it's likely a VTM thing where a vampire has to make an effort to have sex and he's so old he doesn't care anymore
>>580078327Well I mean I doubt he has. I was just making a joke about how some people think murder is better than rape. Actually Drifter probably orgasms at hunting down someone and brutally murdering them.
>>580074840>>580075898to add to this you can just hang back, tell your carry to go ahead and push and intentionally stay out of combat so you can pull them to safety and fly out if the reaction gets too crazy. you can force stupid situations with it.
>>580078327That doesn't mean he can't rape fellow vampires. Mina is probably on the hate-rape list
>>580076795the item you're looking for is silence wave, retard-kun
>>580078327he's just like me...
>>580078327>>580078815>White meat, dark meat>rich, poor>alive, dead>nona dat mattahs>all dat mattahs is if dey die screamin'
>>580078106watching streams
>mo and at krill at 2k hp out of 5k>50 50 resistsHEZ ONE SHAWT HEZ ONE SHAWT HEZ ONE HP
This is somehow working>blood tribute berserker express shot maybe point blank silver>rest all into greens
I've been thinking, and guns in this game actually kinda suck.Not in handling or stats, but actual feedback. Like I get we get peashooter damage at the start so maybe weak sound effects and visual kick are meant to keep your expectations low, but as the game goes on even chunking someone for half their health in a second doesn't feel that good.>spray>there's a hit sound>maybe a harder sound if you hit a head>target is dead, big whoopit's really unsatisfying and I don't know how much longer I'm going to stick with m1 heroes in this game
>>580075936actually its 6% damage at level 1 and only 10% at level 3.Not only this but she still needs to it it, and they need to die within 4 seconds. It also shows the enemy her scope glint when shes using it and a literal laser to show where shes aiming it which is retarded.Not only this, but compare that to other abilities that allow stacks.Trophy Collector needs you to just be near the person.Drifter stacks just need them to be near him and isolated.Bebop stacks need an assist or a kill.All 3 of those are easy abilities to land. But Vindicta's ulti needs her to make her a sitting duck, tell the enemy where she is and what shes doing, and HOPE she can land a hit in a movement based game where chaotic team fights are happening.Not only this but it deals fuck all damage if they aren't below half HP making it useless in 90% of the situations your in in a fight.It doesn't apply any CC and is terrible to use and most people can out pace her ultimate by just playing the game normally.Even when you compare her to Legion Commander in Dota, LC is still way better because they just push 1 button. Vindicta needing to aim her shit to get a stack is abysmal and you get stacks just so people can out pace you because unless your getting lucky with your team you cant outpace most of the enemies just buying items normally.
>>580079758I think debuff resistance is a criminally underrated stat for Silver. Part of the reason Warden is such an issue right now is he can stack multiple forms of it and just be immune to CC while he runs you down, and as a similar "run you down" type hero I think she should try to imitate that.
Refresher Dynamo unironically needs to go dude.Like remove refresher from this fucking game, it just makes games insanely unfun and annoying no matter who has it.>Oh paige ulti'd and then ulti'd again in a split second and you cant counter that!>Oh dynamo caught your whole team in his ulti TWICE and you cant counter that!>Oh Lash ulti'd everyone twice and you cant counter that!>Oh Infernus ulti'd twice and you cant counter that!The fact that refresher is in this game is a testament to how Yoshi doesnt know what the fuck he's doing.
arctic blast + melee items + point blank paradox is the way
>>580080786yeah i just slap on BT right before I wolf out and can just run at people slowing? don't care and it provides value for your team because YOU suck up all the CC silences disarms etc
>>580079919I remember how they talked about this exact thing in the TF2 dev commentary, how they used to have all kinds of pea shooter weapons for the characters before they realized that it's far more satisfying for the player to primarily use single shot, slow firing weapons.
>>580080817nah>he doesn't know what he's doinghe wants the game to end
>>580080817Refresher is just a fundamentally flawed item I posted this already in another thread but its ONLY good on broken nonsense ults no one's going to be putting Refresher on Seismic Slam or Hyper Beam Refresher just makes broken/annoying ults even more broken and no ones going to waste all that money to put it on shit like Bat Swarm because its just not worth it it should be removed like SRB
>>580080817its a necessary evil for games to end
>>580081105it puts more power into the big team fight ults so they can actually end games. that's on purpose, one of the stated design goals by yoshi is the game ending by the 30-35 minute mark.
>>580080817Your Unstoppable?Your game sense?Truly a pisslow comment.
>>580081105rapid recharge is a fundamentally flawed item too because it enables hyper cancer things to exist for an extremely low price. charges need to go to I'm not even being ironic with this.
gun lash needs to be nerfed I'm sick of all the metaslaves playing my main in the most boring uniteractive way. and actually nerfed this time not "nerfed" where people act like its gutted and then its suddenly meta again after nothing in 3 weeks like last time
>well it has counterplay so it's not complete aids guys!!!!!!Why does every game have retards like this?
>Rem does the LEAST amount of healing on the team.>buys healing nova at 30 mins
>>580082176>get phantom striked and blackholed before you can even hover your finger over the keyyeah game sense good one
>>580082176how do you game sense a Dynamo warp stoning into my team and killing them bro?Even if I pop unstoppable, he wins the teamfight just by getting 3 people in his ultimate.>inb4 stun himOkay cool I stunned him, now he gets to his his ultimate again anyways...
>>580082567>stun himUH OH LOOKS LIKE HE BROUGHT AN UNSTOPPABLE AND INDOMITABLE TOO SO YOU SHAN'T BE DOING THAT TO EITHER OF HIS 4.5S STUNS THAT BYPASS DEBUFF RESISTANCE ACTUALLY
this game unironically has the worst matchmaking and ranked system I've ever seen. it's literally bottom of the barrel. any retard doing a solo project on an indie game could've pulled something better out of their asses and yet here is valve with dota 3 and every other game's matchmaking is just better. I remember in dota 2 you used to maybe get your ass completely raped raw like 1 in 200 games but in this game it's more like 1 in 5. you'll lane, you'll do the things you're supposed to be, be efficient with trades, boxing, protect your tower. and then you'll just press tab and the opposite side of the map fed a pocket 8-0 and now he's going to end the game 16-0 because of that.
>>580082707>LOOKS LIKE HE BROUGHT AN UNSTOPPABLE AND INDOMITABLE TOONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODYNAMO-SAMA HAVE MERCYAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>580082565>>580082567The game has multiple variable happening at any time and those variables will effect how you play the game.If your team is posturing for a game ending teamfight you should always be on the lookout for Dynamo and keep tabs on him while communicating with your mics.If your team has a shit teamfight someone should be split pushing while you guys distract them and wait for them to mess up.Also your team shouldn't be playing stacked up if they have a dynamo it's literally the dead giveaway you're both pisslow shit ants, which I'm glad Yoshi doesn't listen to any feedback from people who play this game anymore because if he did this game would be 100x worse.
>try to play standard on sunday>ddos stacksebin
Wraith is okay just disarm her yes everything exists in a vacuum no one needs to be nerfed Celeste? Nope Slowing or use Capicator its fine never change any hero ever again
You guys are joking right? Ultbot dynamo is ass
>>580082918its because Yoshi is intent on "comeback mechanics" in this game.But comeback mechanics just makes both sides frustrated.Makes the winners mad because they SHOULDNT lose if they are objectively better then the enemyMakes the losers mad because now they need to sit in a 40 minute game of losing, just to get mid boss and win by doing jack shit.Comeback mechanics in this game are done so poorly that its crazy. Maybe theres a reason why games don't have these shitty mechanics that rewards the losing team for *checks notes* being worse then the winning team...
how exactly are you supposed to play seven against apollo when he can just press 1 button and knock you out of ult?
>>580083216no the funniest bit about the comeback mechanics is that the enemy team will be like 10k ahead and your team will just refuse to show up to urn or rift and they'll get to take them too and then you get raped even harder.
>>580082489>im too retarded to thank and adapt to the situation DEVS PLEASE NERFWhy does every game have retards like this?
>>580083217hold ult
>>580083217Apollo is a retarded character more news at 4
>>580083217oh no that's the neat part you don't. this game is designed by retards. hope this helps. kill yourself yoshi.
>>580083048>your team shouldnt be playing as a team if 1 character exists in the game>Also you should split up so the enemy (who can afford to split off) can rape your team in 2v3's instead of a 6v6 fight>Keep tabs on Dynamo with Warp Stone who can instantly teleport and drop his ultiDo you even read what we're saying or do you just pretend to do that for your strawman "gotcha's"?What we're saying is no matter the positioning you have, a Dynamo with Refresher Warp Stone with his team will just rape you, there is no way to counter this, there is no way to predict this, and telling everyone on your team to buy unstoppable is infeasible, especially when he just refreshers and gets his ultimate AGAIN then uses it AGAIN after your unstoppable is done...Any good Dynamo won't be caught out like your already assuming he will be as you type your rebuttal to this post. Nigga can make himself invincible like 2 times in a row and gets a free escape no matter what.
You know I used to think Billy was the prime example of why melee sucks as a concept but now I'm thinking it's Viscous with puddle punch
>>580083362100% a Roadhog defenderIt couldn't be more obvious
>>580083217Watch out dude. People can buy an item that also knocks you out of your ult.
>>580083468yeah I guess so. pretty annoying though, at least ivy's basic cancel ability has to be lined up properly and isn't instant.
>>580082406nah
>>580082918>any retard doing a solo project on an indie game could've pulled something better out of their assesYou're underestimating how ungodly dumb I am.You'd be in a 3 big ranks system with raw elo thresholds adapting daily for top 70%, top 45% and top 7% of the playerbase rn.No shields or nothings. But also enough points on a win/lose for them to matter.
>>580083706>an item vs ability you get at level 1
Just buy Dispel Magic bro.
>>580083726if you are opening fights with seven ult you're gonna have everything thrown at you.you need to just exist long enough for them to spend their shit before pressing it, pay attention to the people that have the means of stopping you and let it rip as soon as they waste it.and also buy unstoppable or something if they just have too many.
i wonder what silver's animations will look like, she's currently using sevens entire rig or whatever
>>580084042>>580084004>>580083726>>580083706>>580083658>>580083638>>580083597you wouldn't last 5 seconds in the tunnels!
>>580084004Seven ult in lane is horrible and any competent player will just shoot you to death. Get your team to swap you out of apollo lane if you want to do 100 damage so badly with it then.
Its impressive how the devs of Dota 2 still dont have a solution for BKB spam.Like, an item that can negate ANY CC in the game is insane and will always be bought, and Deadlock has 4 of these fucking items.the solution is kind of simple, just split all of the CC types over these 4 items, Like Indom stops stuns, Unstop stops slows, Dispel stops curse, ect. ect.But I guess we'll just always be buying dispel or counter spell because yoshi is dumb as a rock
>Watch video about Deadlock hero heights>Hear Indian accent>Immediately click off and tell youtube to never recommend me that channel again
>>580084418yoooooooo stop doxxing me
>>580083217you just cant apollo's counterplay is...don't shoot him yes! that's it! don't do damage to the character! welcome to modern DL anon :)
>>580084418the krill puppet is funny as hell.I also love how every M&K cosplayer is just a fat dude in a wife beater
>>580084418MOMO, DON'T BACK DOWN!
>>580084360the issue is they made and balanced characters around these items existing int he first place. its why the game feels like such dogshit right now.
The old item system would save the game btw
>>58008496016 items would be overkill
>>580084360curse or bait it out dummy
>>580083217just bait it with stun
>>580066187I don't know how you can unironically mock any of them other than Vic since he didn't do the big capacitors on his back.
>>580066187the victor guy seems like a total blast to hang out with desu
>>580085147how? 4 each plus 4 wild was kino
>>580083217this doesn't happen.
BLOG POST INCOMING!!!I don't know if I'm burnt out or if its just the state of the game but I find so much fucking shit annoying every hero seems to piss me off even my mains Haze is whatever but finding her stealing my doubles getting her low only to sleep me and just speed off pissed me off cause like why the fuck is that just allowed
>>580083217have you tried activating your 3 and melting the apollo instead
>>580086456she's been doing that for over 2 years now
>>580077858I think he's just too much of an animal to care. Like, I've never seen a lion fuck a gazelle. The classy vampire counts probably have all sorts of creepy orgies, ironically because they still wanna act like humans. I think Drifter just got bored of that exactly that and decided he preferred just running around being a rapid animal.
>>580086749kurwa....
>>580086749pierdole...
>>580030301I'm this anon, and I'm still baffled at how some people are still in Oracle with 100 - 200 games played. Why aren't these people ranking down? I'm genuinely confused on how these people function in their day-to-day life.
>want to play infernus>check the top builds>max dash first>"Hm... I wonder why.">check 3 and 1's upgrades>they do nothing until lategameWhat the fuck?
>>580067795don't care about deadslop but I clicked for her, guess I'm nobody
>pick abrams>melees do peanut damage>die really fast regardless of items>pick drifter>delete people with my ridiculous melee damage>can build tank and still do fuckhuge damage numbersAbrams used to be my favorite too but I feel like I can't do shit as him anymore
>>580087378>abrams>melee does no damagelol?
>Failed to dodge so I have to play another game with the same mouth breathers who were on my team last game>So I either have to waste my time in another loss or leave the gameWhen are they going to make an 'avoid this player' list?
It do be like that.
how did i survive getting jumped by the entire enemy team with my team on the other side of the map
>>580087378Abrams is a CC botyour job is to stand there looking big and threatening while occasionally slamming people into walls
>>580088194What is my nigga dante doing
>>580088308cute
Sex with trans women.
>>580083597>refresher dynamo op>actually refresher warp stone dynamo op>actually refresher warp stone unstoppable indom dynamo op
>>580088517I would date this gravesvery cute
>>580088432https://gamebanana.com/mods/678322it even replaces the voice lines with clock noises
>>580082918>>580083358OMEGATRVTHNVKE
>>580088517>>580088308>leaving the goycattle ring in
Thoughts on Tesla Bullets on burst-auto guns?
>>580084616Good hero design
Just add FF, the number of people AFK in base opening is starting to climb
>>580089147good on paradox meh on seven/lash
>>580089258>just add FFyeah, we need omnislash in the game
2,157.3 hoursascendantjust stay away from this gameit's as predatory and shitty as dota 2, hours upon hours of my life have been wasted playing this awful game that I will never get back
>>580089353Gamers are a curious sort. They want a game to be addictive but get mad when it consumes their time.
>Lose rankup game because Bebop can outheal the entire team shooting at him + escalating exposure + affliction with max hyper beam and no other resistFair and balanced
>>580089615I'd rather take a fun game over a miserably addictive onethe fun itself can be addictive, but usually that will fade with time once you start to notice and fixate on all the flaws the game will haveit's honestly just best to not sink a lot of hours into one game and have a catalogue to choose from
I'm fully convinced Apollo has some kind of hidden matchmaking nerf applied to him. I get the highest concentration of retards on my team every time I try and play this nigga
>>580089756you can always come back later when the roster sized is doubled and the map is finalized doe
>>580089701antiheal
>>580089943Is that not what Affliction is?
>>580090000concession accepted
>>580088194>cheats
>>580090000clearly you needed more
>>580090239nigger Affliction T3 literally keeps the enemy from healing at all? are you too tarded to read ability descriptions?
>>580069730Silver from deadlock
>>580090424how the fuck would bebop heal through affliction t3 retardobviously he didn't have that
>>580089852I get the same on Silver and Celeste. Celeste especially, and my winrate on her is 45%. On Vindicta, who I have on 65%, I get regular or even good teams.
ultimate idea: raise a team mate from the dead at half hp for 7s. if they manage to get a kill (no assist) they get to stay alive. what do I think of it?
why does this game's artstyle look like a rushed r34 animation
>>580090000holy fucking waisted
>>580090424It wasn't T3 Affliction but normal Affliction should still be mega antiheal
>>580090881Affliction has ZERO antiheal until t3
>>580090643fair enough>>580090881well the same could be said for any DoT damage in the gamebut without healbane or T3 affliction you're dealing no antiheal, just pure spirit damage
the fact that pocket players don't rush superior duration, spiritual overflow, divine kevlar and T3 afflict is crazy to me. with EE and that combo you just become a god hitler level threat to the enemy teamenemy team is not allowed to win any teamfights from that point onward unless your team does something INCREDIBLY stupid
>>580091736>rush 16k in items that do nothing but duration and spirit power on a character with low spirit scaling so you can get completely nullified by the humble divine barrier
>>580092005>counteritems invalidate certain abilitieswoah, you must be a goddamn genius to come up with that. who told you that?? I didn't know that was a thing in this game. please, PLEASE tell me there aren't 3-4 other 6.4k green items that completely invalidate certain abilities, that would be terrible for my mental state!
>>580092005>buy decay and other CC items to force their barrier proc>then afflictYou know you can just counterbuy the counterbuying, right?
>>580091736Building nothing but duration makes you suck shit for most of the game.By the time you have 20s cancer people will have debuff resist or divines while you suck ass aside from your ult.
>>580091736Don't do this in Street Brawl, the healing legendary item just cleanses your ass out of the game.
>>580092336if that happens I usually just stop ult maxxing and start barrage, cloak, case and spirit burn maxxingeven if they cleanse or dispel my shit I can still do enough damage to them with my barrage and case to be a threat
>>580092142yes PLEASE end up on the enemy team every match on pocket and rush a borderline-reportworthy-on-pocket-6.4k item and a good-but-niche 6.4k that should never be rushed give me free wins pls thx>>580092291who the fuck wastes their db on decay kek
Y'know people talk big game about building 6.4k items until they actually have to do it without their Seeker-tier L-R build
>>580092676>good-but-nichewhich item is that
>pos1 kelvin raping the lobbyOkay. That's enough Deadlock for today.
>loseOkay. That's enough Deadlock for today.>fingers accidentally boot the game back openFuuuuuuuuu
>>580092892it's definitely not spiritual overflow on pocket
>>580092893IN HEREI AM KING*snowglobes so you can't quit*
>>580092815is there 3+ onhitniggasi buy plated for my 6.4kis there 3+ lifestealniggasi buy spirit burn/inhibis there 2+ flyingniggasi buy phantom strike, even if I'm not explicitly melee
I heckin love 9 months of spirit slop AoE spam meta
Start building Tesla Bullets on Seven (it's not good, but haha more lightning for the lightning man)
>>580093448Its going to be 18 months now, no new heroes this content patch sorry enjoy the FOTM risk of rain mode we worked so hard forEOS soon
>>580093542but anonwe have lightning scrolland it's an actual good item for seven
>>580093090superior duration is not niche at allif you combine it with spiritual overflow, both items will increase the duration of all of your abilitiesthis means that you have an even greater window to TP away after doing hit and runs and harassing the enemy teamyou can also just outright steal sinners if you time it right, with no way for them to actually catch youit's a cool way of reliving pre-nerf doorman
>>580093746>superior duration>6.4kgawd dayum
>>580093720>the lightning item is good for the lightning charactertoo poetic to not be a good item on seven
I heckin love how Boot Kick isnt active on frame 1 so you phase through people at point blank
>>580093798they call me king dyslexia okay there is only two options then>spiritual overflowthis shit is not niche-but-good at all. it is one of the best items in the game>outright report-worthyI'm assuming divine kevlar from process of elimination
>>580094030> one of the best items in the game>on pocketlollmao
>>580094030Being real I feel like rushing Kevlar on Pocket is way better than going Superior Duration. Your ult's main job is turning off healing for the ten seconds it takes for a teamfight to be decided rather than doing DoT for forever, the added durationg Kevlar gives is more than enough for it + your cloak/case.That 3.2k spirit invest is better spent on expansion or cooldown imo.
Kill whoever came up with this ability
>>580093928There's a lot of jank like that, Bashdown has similar issues where it straight up bugs out half the time until you get greater expansion
>>580094137you are genuinely stupid.it is>6.4k gun invest increasewith the passive effects being>almost as much as a spirit stat increase as boundless spirit (that +6 spirit power stat is a goddamn lie, it is WAY WAY more than that in-game)>with 13% free spirit lifesteal>13% ability durationAND ITS CONDITIONAL EFFECT FOR JUST SHOOTING ENOUGH AT SOMEBODY IS>+30% firerate>MORE spirit power, +40 spirit power>10% more spirit lifesteal on top of the passive lifesteal you already haveyou are dumb as fuck if you never invested in this item as pocket. swift striker is already op on pocket, and this item just enhances makes his firerate even higher for free
>>580094664I like when abilities have so much shit they just start leaving things out of the description.It doesn't bother saying how long the fire rate slow lasts.
>>580094664promote whoever came up with exploding uppercut also I never noticed that uppercut enemies also apply the fire rate slow to their teammates, kek
>>580094664
>over 2 weeks since the emergency celeste nerf (read: buff) patch>absolutely nothingcant be upset btw, free game :)
>>580094809>lifestealirrelevant on pocket>spirit power>on a character with shit scalingirrelevant on pocket>fire rateonly thing that matters here>durationkevlar and superior are better for thisnow yes you can buy spiritual overflow on pocket as luxury buy very late but rushing it as one of the first items along with kevlar and duration like >>580091736>>580092142is saying is report worthy
>>580094664This and flask are abominations Give bebop a rework and a concise kit cmon yoshi
>>580095169>free gameit's a closed alpha test where we're waiting for the closed bleeding edge test patch to hit it, you fucking mongoloid
>>580095346if it's a closed alpha then why aren't we playtesting the latest builds?
>>580094809>characters that really like overflowwraithwardeninfernusmiragevindictacelestedo you really think pocket benefits from overflow just as much, or even more than these characters?
>>580095392Because we're not in the bleeding edge stream, m8.
>>580086749Why is every holiday player like this? I guess its because her whole character is anger issues and alcoholism.
Overflow is good on pocket but there's not much point taking it except for patches where Gun is OP and you're investing in it heavily because what you really want is more survivability, spirit damage, and debuffs to apply and there's much better shit to get for the same souls.Hell even in a normal patch I'd sooner take silencer or crippling headshot to help my team out over it.
>>580095210>>580095495>>580095761i accept your concession, bricklo retard.
>>580095495>do you really think pocket benefits from overflow just as much, or even more than these characters?you are making up some bullshit because I never claimed this or implied it in the slightest. it's just a really good item for pocket>>580095210>pocket is a “shit scaling” spirit character that doesn't need lifesteal, even though his cloak is x1.3 spirit scaling and his case is x1.1 spirit scalingokay man. sure.
I think I'd rather buy Crippling Headshot than Overflow on Pocket tbhfamalam.
If you dont have witchmail on mokrill by 20 minutes you are either doing tunnel box runs extremely inefficiently or inting
>>580095761>Overflow is good on pocket but there's not much point taking it except if the hero's gun is OP that patchdo you play the game. do you know how fucked pocket's gun is in lane? it gets worse if the pocket actually makes his gun scaling go even further with sinners
sleep dagger is way too fucking long
Start buying superior duration on haze.
>>580095346if its a closed alpha test how come there are no updates
>huge losing streak on thursday/friday>on saturday its just WLWLWL over and over>log in today hoping for my games to turn around>first game has a manchild afking and throwing because his lane partner took a wave solo at 5 minutes>next game he's on my team again throwing againI have to use statlocker's live game feature to dodge this faggot now
drifter x dead by daylight crossover whenpaige can be the guest survivor
>>580096930THERE GOES MY HEROWATCH HIM AS HE GOES.
>there are babop mains ITT
>>580096665it's 3.75 seconds without any duration boost
playing tons of street brawl kind of woke me up to the fact that almost all T3s are complete fucking dog shit, way worse than the majority of T2s
>>580097084Thats not enough
when people complain about the matchmaker, do they mean the teammates (which will average out) or the team builder and lane matcher (an actual problem)?
>>580097136miss pre-nerf toxic bullets, tankbuster, torment pulse and silence wave
>>580096930>I have to use statlocker's live game featureI've been using this since the start of the ranked season. Especially when I get teammates like you just described on my team. Sometimes the live tracker doesn't update though which is horrible. I guess the only plus side about this being a valve game is calling these "people" nigger over voice.
>september 6, 2026>still no dota patch>still no deadlock patch
why are haze players such subhumans?
>>580096930>first game has a manchild afking and throwing because his lane partner took a wave solo at 5 minutesvalid, people still do that in fucking phantom?
>curse takes away blastedfucking bullshit
>>580096674because streamers bitched and moaned when they were doing weekly updates that drastically changed the closed alpha game
>>580097183little bit of bothyeah i might get a little mad when the 0/7 drifter turns wraith into a tier thirteen rapeatronic but it's not his fault the matchmaker put coughing baby up against hydrogen bomb
>>580097823he was in the process of lane swapping during buff wave and the lane he was swapping to shoved the wave to get the buff
How do we feel about Venator players (not me to be clear :))
>>580098461Boosted subhumans that manage to make venator look weakHe is a tempo carry you should be hard winning lane and mid game with a snowball
Why dont hy elo players build witchmail on mokrill?
Another Ivy game, another game with 25k damage at 40 minutesI legit don't understand how to deal damage as herI am always flying around the map trying to gank and trying to be in every fight, but I still don't do any damage as her
>>580098796spirit bro
>>580098301Oh never mind, he's just a nigger. Anyway just do what everyone else that rank does and smurf lol. You never get punished for it.>>580098548So he's absolute dogshit for carrying pubs in 90% of ranks got it.
Add hero swap to standard or make mm actually give teams frontliners
>>580098796don't worry about the numberdid you fly in and turn a duel into a 2v1, getting a pick? valuedid you fly in with your carry and ganked some poor sap on their sinners? valuescoreboard obsessions only impede improvement and lead to like first item decay ivy or some shit
>>580098947What are you talking about the system says warden is a tank, your welcome :^).
>>580097823>people still do that in fucking phantom?This game literally does not get better the higher you climb.
>>580099268He unironicly is it's just player base refuses to build him that way when their team has no frontline.
>>580099316Ebin.
Post Doorman swastika please
>>580099585>transphobiclmao
how does victor always have elon musk networth
>>580099787just gank his jungle
Remove parries, they are cheats.
>>580099585>HOW THE FUCK DID YOU APPEAR IN MY LOBBY I BANNED YOUR CHARACTERthat's not wraith
>>580099585>Banning Geist
I'm in shitter ranks (ritualist) and its just depressing how people cannot play against Graves. I had a Graves on the enemy team who bought zero green items for the whole match. In fact, she rushed magic carpet. Her entire gameplay was going to a lane, placing double walls to spawn four zombies or ulting, then running away with carpet. She single-handedly won the game for the enemy team. We didn't have enough coordination to kill her and since its deadlock in a rank below phantom, everyone is just allergic to pushing waves. And since she got auto wave prio everywhere on the map just by existing, we could never get any map control for any of the objectives. I had to shove waves by myself for the entire game. She wasn't even really playing, she didn't interact with the enemy team at all, she literally just spawned zombies over and over and won the game.
>>580099585>transphobicSo normal?
paradox lane is too strong needs nerfs immedaitely
>>580100594I need to try this in my pisslow (Brick)
>>580100594the dead will get their due.
>>580096204Pocket's gun scaling per boon is middling and the gun's DPS falls off by the midgame as an effective source of damage over abilities, basically every M1 hero is higher by default except the ones with built in scaling like Vindicta. You CAN play Glocket if you want to but it is rarely the best option except on patches where gun balance is fucked, and if you're choosing to invest in gun then you're probably better off getting a few smaller ones for the 4.8k/6.4k spikes at best. If you're looking to heavily invest then I still think Silencer or C.Headshot are better because of the debuffs doing more for your team than an extra 46 spirit on Pocket does.
>>580100594More proof that unless your playing a tank buying a green spike in shitlow is inting
>>580100594This doesnt stop working until ascendant btw.
why must I be dogshit at all my favorite to play heroes
Infernus just deals no fucking damage, huh.
>>580101453lol your retarded, broolers(88% of the cast)benefit bigly from greens
reminder that all heroes are BAD because uhh you use items wrong and waste cooldowns before a fight, and no you cannot play them correctly that's why they're bad
Ivy flight having an aoe silence might be the dumbest thing in the game
>>580102086she needs it
>>580101889...and other things people in bricklow think
>oracle 3>sitting in a 10minute queue>cancel my search>come here to post about itholy shit game is fucking dying.
>>580101889Debuff reducer invalidates his entire kit
>>580102151just smurf in seeker1
new update will be pve and no new chars enjoy!
>>580102226>just smurfI literally can't though, I would need to get 15 wins and I'm not spending that much time on a smurf account.
>>580102524then just go to tracklock, find someone with a seeker account and steal it by running their steam account through osint tools and past login/email/password breaches
>clearly going to win game>some dude just disconnects and never comes backwhat causes this behavior
>>580103016sorry, mom called me to pick up the groceries
affliction should make victor respawn at 1 hp
>>580103016A methhead was breaking into my house
>>580103306That’s no way to talk about your mother
>>580101889the items that counter him also counter every other character, but they also counter him harder than most
I really hope the big items rework update removes metal skin.I pray for that every night ◿.˰.◺
This game needs an item that shifts attack speed into weapon damage. I hate playing geist or holiday and having my revolver turned into an SMG by the end of the game.
>>580103449why?
AIPAC doesn't defend Israel as hard as this general defends Graves
>>580103543It's by far the most fun-killing item in the game.
>>580103016I had to do this like two days ago and I felt so bad about it afterwards, matchmaking didn’t even punish me for it I got a 4 win streak afterwards. Sometimes (a lot a times) life just fucks you over.
stop anti indian racism in deadlock
Buff paradox
>>580103843that would be ethernal shift
>>580103529>I want a gun item that makes my gun weakerlol
>>580103653>Waifufags downplay their waifusWho would’ve thunk.
>>580103940Express shot already exists>>580103529
Make greater expansion increase paradoxes carbine hit box size also let tier 4 items work on it so I can start building ricochet.
Is it even possible to solo carry?
>>580094664>18% missing health on 11 seconds cooldownBut Silver healing on reset had to be removed for sure
>>580104654No, that's why high rank players are duo-boosted.
>>580100594>Her entire gameplay was going to a lane, placing double walls to spawn four zombies or ulting, then running away with carpet.Holy fucking basedI'm glad someone around here is having fun
>>580104654Isn’t the only dude with a near 100% win rate a Mina one trick or am I remembering that wrong?
>>580104768rank 1 lomein is solo
>>580104654I once solo carried as gun mcginnis
>struggle with practicing shiv slides a lot>realize you can do it in three's like a rythym
>>580105143shiv movement is pretty fun when you get the hang of it i hope they don't remove/rework it to something useless
>play 100 hours with random queue and playing as any hero>still dont know which heroes should be my main
paradox fags really think their 600 damage at 10 mins unmissable railgun is okayI got hit by this and when I said the hitbox needed to be nerfed, this paradox "player" responded with "ur outta ur mind I saw you" as if the mere act of seeing someone across the map meant you should be guaranteed to hit them
>>580104654no matter how cracked you are, you'll have to trust your team has some amount of self-relianceso yes but also no
>>580105390It's time to run it down on Lash
>>580105528remeber when talon arrow was like this?reber when it got fixed to not be like this but paradox 3 didn't?
what hero requires no aim whatsoever to perform in fights?
>>580104768I checked the entire top 10 for NA + EUOn NA almost every player has a higher solo queue winrate than a duo queue winrate, and when they don't have a higher solo queue winrate, their solo queue winrate is still inordinately high, while they usually have about the same # of solo and duo queue games. The worst one I saw on NA was 69% duo 58% solo, other than Douge, who's on 60% duo 46% solo (actually boosted)Then you have players like Lomein and Wander, who have around a 70% duo queue winrate, but also a 73% and 75% solo queue winrate respectivelyEU is more of the same, everyone has a good amount of solo queue and 60% solo queue winrate or higher. Fargareko doesn't duo queue at all. The only egregious account in that top 10 is Overseas with only 16 games of solo queueAll of this to say, you're just wrong. Duo queue will usually be more consistent but a lot of high rank players are winning more solo than they are duo with extremely high winrates in both queues. I'm bored autistic and stoned so I might extend this to top 50 just for fun.
>>580105880graves, kelvin, mohammad, any other character where you're too busy pressing abilities in fights and not just shooting
>>580105880Mokrill
>>580105880paradox
>>580105528That's just the lag compensation desyncing with the visuals, the hitbox itself is nowhere near that big.Same way you can get hooked around corners or hit by geist bombs even if you clearly leave the circle before they detonate.
Lmfao this nigga got within paradoxes sight line
>>580099316>>580099526in fact it gets worse. I'm dealing with bigger subhumans in high ascendant than I ever have before on this game. it never gets better. games just end in 5 minutes but you have to sit around waiting to get raped for another 20. and it's not from lack of trying or anything. I obviously still try to win for the rest of the game but my team just sit around like a bunch of raped animals cowering around corners and shit. it's miserable.
>>580105880spirit silver
>>580102086>fly lash to teamfight>he grapples to not touch the ground before ulting>because he didn't touch the ground, the silence doesn't proc until he ground strikes>effectively turns death slam into a stun that's followed by a 4 second silence with durationthe most fucked up ivy flight interaction i've seen so far
Alright, Maurice, here's the plan: I hold them down, you maul them.
>>580106270Once I grind out of metal ranks I'll join you in suffering I geuss.
>>580062521does anyone have souls guide? like ffs i do jungle and boxes and somehow end up 15k less than someone always
>>580106889do you get lane creep when they are pushed into you?
>>580106698i envy how whites have 0 shame and can walk in public like this
>>580103016I had some guy tell us he had to rush his cat to the emergency vet because it was having a seizure. Enemy team asked us what happen, and we told them the situation, after some chatting everyone agreed to leave the match so the game match didn't count. Call it Reddit or whatever but it was pretty wholesome. Pic related.
>>580106991fair point i dont, prob problem solved lol
>>580106698unironically based cosplaymuch better than the fat ass mina cosplayers
>>580107086its always the pseudo white "women" 40bmi 52 year olds doing that
>>580106889Big souls: solo kills, solo building killsMedium souls: trooper waves, sinners, jungle if you're one of the characters that can jungle really fastSmall souls: jungle for everyone else, boxes
>>580106889>like ffs i do jungle and boxes and somehow end up 15k less than someone alwayswhat hero vs what hero>the other hero may have better farming potential>the other hero may have trophy collector, egg>the other hero may be better at getting solo kills which are worth a lot>the other hero may be better at split pushing walkers which are worth a decent amount>the other hero may be better at running urn which is worth a decent amount>the other hero may be able to go underground and farm subway boxes>etc.
>>580103940>I want a gun item that makes my gun weakerI specificously said shifts attack speed into weapon damage directly so every shot is more important but the DPS stays roughly equivalent but with some balancing for the added difficulty.
>>580107013do you really spend your entire day racebaiting in the deadlock 4chan general? retard nigger
>>580098796buy tesla and gun items. that's how you win games on her this patch.>>580099057decay rush isn't that bad, it's just that the majority of ivys rushing it pivot into spirit meme builds rather than gun like a normal person.
>>580107258>more souls for solo killsim pretty new still and didnt know this cuz it aint explained everywhere kek>>580107294doing pocket rn, ty for explaining, seems like getting souls vs mcginnis and other high pressure niggas is decently hard
>>580107421fire rate slow is one of the basic debuffs in the game, you would gimp yourself with an item like that while hit by suppressor
>>580106889you're supposed topush wave - farm a camp - rotate if needed (no rotation necessary? push wave and catch the next one without overextending)notstay in jungle - farm - stay in jungle - farm - push wavemost of your souls should be coming from catching trooper waves anywaytry to always push a wave first if you can before farming a campdeny and secure as many orbs as you can in lane phasetry and steal the enemy's camps and sinners in the mid-game as well if your hero is able to effectively steal without dying
>>580106379>dropping lash at ground level?
>>580099585i just donated to friends of the IDF and queued up another game of gun rem because of this dogshit post.and yes, I am using a voice changer to larp as sleepy chud baby.
>>580107585Then give the item fire rate slow resist. Then you could make the peashooter smgs the anti tank onhit option while slower speed gun carries could be the more focused on plinking the Minas and the Appollos of the world. Why do you not want gun variation in the game?
>try to light melee for 40 damage>get parried>3 second stun, 30% extra damage from all sources>lose 2k hpthey just need to get rid of the damage amp for light melee parries and reduce the stun to like 1.5 seconds. >b-but billy!make it so blasted doesn't work for 5 seconds after getting parried its so simple the devs are still traumatized from the melee meta a whole year ago
>>580107640If you drop people from high up they can slide off random geometry and the silence takes ten years to go off.
>>580108042you mean debuff resist. intentional fire rate slow item is not a good gun hero item, period. what would actually happen is that melee heroes would just pick it up because they don't care about their gun like weighted shots >why don't you want gun variationI do, I just think your item idea wouldn't actually work for gun heroes
>>580105271Binding jump on mouse is so fucking nice to help with wall jumps>>580107035I think it sounds sweet more than reddit>>580107513>im pretty new still and didnt know this cuz it aint explained everywhere kekSouls are split depending on how many people are in laneThe more people that are together the more that it's split amongst themExample: if you get 3 people in a lane they each get about 33% of the souls in lane including when you get a kill (Although the person who killed them gets a bigger share of the money)It also applies to jungle camps so try not to cuck your carry characters by absorbing all of it as rem
>>580107513It's not an even distribution like you'd expect either, if you dive 4 people and kill one before dieing you actually make significantly more money than they do.
why did it take people a year and a half to realize merc mag is broken are deadlock players genuinely retarded
>>580108872wiki seems wrong you get assists for just being near dying enemies
>>580109051bro literally everything this dog shit pro scene comes up with I clocked day 0 of the patch that introduced what they abuse MONTHS in advance. yes they are retarded. they're called russians.
>>580109051The fuck are you talking about, every good M1 has been abusing merc mag for ages.
>>580108872>to count as an assister in a hero kill, you have to have damaged them in the past 10 secondsThis has to be bugged or wrong right? I’ve gotten assists while a quarter of the map away and never having damaged the victim.
This game WILL die if the dont nerf melee
Someone please euthanize the youtuber who made this god forsaken spirit venator trash build. This is like the third time i get someone building it in my ranked fucking match. Please save me from this hell
>>580109252yes and yet I haven't heard ANYONE call this item OP for a year and half since its introduction. but suddenly its sooooo broken dude
solo kills give way too much souls and are part of the reason why snowballing is so out of control compared to pre-2024 flood gates opening.deadlock was objectively a better game to play back then, and part of that was because hero and objective kills didn't give a ludicrous amount of undeniable souls for free.
>>580109385this game WILL die if they don't ban VPNs. all the europeans will literally just go play something white if match quality continues being this fucking dog shit.>get mostly russian niggers on your team>INSTANTLY lose the game, 25 minutes of performative bullshit pretending otherwise
>>580109669They need a bounty system so the 0/10 russian isnt just a free t3 camp.
>>580109669everything went to shit when they made it so that a) kelvin can deny/claim souls with beamb) you can no longer claim/deny souls on guardians, walkers, dead players
>team has more m1>they win2024-2026 its been the same thing literally every single match. m1ggers always dominate since they actually scale and no one else does. they can ignore gun/spirit meta since they deal massive amounts of both with 0 effort from minute 1. genuinely do not understand why valve allows these heroes to just dominate all game every game at all times
Silver is the only character in the game where she has to itemize just to function.
>>580109669Its kind of fucky because in lower ranks you do snowball too much from solo kills and solo walkers, but at the same time at higher ranks solo kills kinda have to be worth something because they're so difficult to get in this game when the enemy team isn't retarded. The map is so small and everyone has so much mobility that every fight that lasts more than 10 seconds turns into a teamfight
If valve were to ban every streamer from streaming this game it would improve overnight. I'm tired of shitter following whatever 'x' streamer is doing and sucking horse cock at it.
what are some good celeste streamers to watch so i can suck less horse cock playing her?
>>580110941Maybe Hoot? No clue if he even streams or what he goes by on Twitch.
>>580109695This game is made for RussiansYou are not welcome, eurocuck
>>580110941Nobody mains Celeste they are all tourists
my names duh dwiftah BWEAH BWEAH!
rescue beam truly encapsulates how fucking awful it feels to play support in this gameyou bust your ass to pull your carry out of trouble (that they got themselves in) only to watch them go back and die again
>see apollo>blow all my abilites on him so he's down to sub 800 hp>presses 3 3 times, air dashes, wall jumps, double jumps into heavy melee>he is now on the other side of the mapwhen are they going to do something about troonment
I went through the top 50 on the Valve leaderboard for both NA and EU and looked at their duo queue data and winrates and threw them in a sheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS8Y6fuTof5h9jQBVWauOMIwkQYVWwMlyKlncXxOZNupjMIXhjNTEMB71GpevTOWdXJaZTvkfS3KdMi/pubhtmlTL;DR>low solo winrate (<55%) with a lot of duo queue = boosted, unless duo queue winrate is around the same or lower>no duo queue = chad>a lot of duo queue with not a lot of solo queue = duo abuser/boostedEU has a lot more solo queue only players than NA in the top 50.There aren't actually many players I would consider boosted, around 20-25%The majority of players have very high solo queue winrates and you can reasonably assume they would have still climbed quickly even if they only solo queue. IMO, it feels a bit delusional to call someone boosted when they have a 68% solo queue winrate and a 71% duo queue winrate, for instance.>>580111249/hootdl on twitch
>>580110351i don't mind dogshit streamer builds because almost all of them suck but when those fuckers are on your team it's the worst.
>>580112084>lomein>76% solo queue winrate what the fuck
>Rem do doubles!>no their doubles, those are for you>get out of my lane, go do boxes>no not those boxes, the ones in the tunnels are for you>Rem push this lane>Rem ult mid>Rem heal me>REMRem gets treated like a toddler and micro managedwhich is kind of funny
>>580111703how am i supposed to read this tier list
>>580112402The winrates are elevated compared to the old systemFirst if you were e6 prior the first 50 games is stomping old ascendant. Second the totals are still pretty low so it’s a low amount of net wins relative to the winrateThird you are occasionally getting free wins from 40% grinders
>>580112637That’s a Celeste build, the teirlist is above and cropped out
>Get a literal subhuman European on my teamThis shouldn't happen these people are leaving their servers to run away from russians to be the equivalent of what russians are to them on GLORIOUS NA servers.
>>580112543REM is actually an abathur port and should never listen to his low iq teammates
>>580112012slowing hex should build into an item that applies a grounded debuff of 200% gravity and mobility abilities disabled, cannot be cleansedthere the game is fixed
deadlock players have absolutely 0 standards and will defend even the most blatant dogshit they should just add a premium skin store and release the game and call it a day. they'd print money and receive endless praise.
borgor
So who is the tank buster character right now?
>>580114093Venator, pure dmg=tankbuster simple asUnless you mean the item and then I’d say gt or apollo
>>580114265Tank killer, this meta blows and I don't trust yoshi to fix it next patch.
>>580112084>lomein has gone 176-66>still hasn't hit top rank more than halfway through the seasonWhat were they thinking making it this grindy? truly retarded.
>>580114093used to be billy ironically, now its no one. you buy tankbuster and cross your fingers your team will show up
The fuck do I do when Mo and Krill burrows? The Gigatank lifesteal dude just gets to escape for free every time?
>>580115029Get em mo
>>580115029U can try punching him
>>580115029yes
>>580115029slowing hex doesn't stop this btw
How do I win games on paradox? All I do is feel like a really annoying mosquito all game.
>melee resist>melee damage is already reduced by bullet resist>have to literally be in melee range to use melee>parries exist making melee even riskierJustify this
>>580115029>Test it out ingame>It actually fucking worksI know who I'm gonna try out next after I'm done grinding Billy for ranked
Just had a dude spam some text in chat and the whole game crashed and we're unable to join back in. It was a bunch of the same character repeated en masse. No rate limit on chat is a free avenue to crash the server?
>>580115646I thought his cap was big blue monkey nigger lips at first glance and wondered who the fuck was about to rape paige
>>580115029He needs it
>>580115029>mokrill knows where the nearest tunnel is>he just gets to play as aggressively as he wants macro wise with no counter
>>580115663>fucking with the in-game chatremember when we could post images and gifs to it? that was a funny... week? few days? I don't remember.
>>580115902You can't enter the tunnels if you've taken damage recently, burrow doesn't change that.
sitting on rem until he explodes
>>580115663So the dude caused my client to crash, I get the abandon, and now I get 3 low prio wins in low prio queue where you have 10% winrate because it's full of aimbots. This game is so fucking ass.
To the guy named Loliqueen who played Graves in my last gameI see you
If I see our REM doing our sinners I instantly get the urge to int
>>580115336build melee and arctic blast and fistfight, damage amp from your bomb and arctic blast makes your punches 2-shot anyone
i got a melee ivy on my team than thdey had over 500 hero games on her ....
>>580117302Blast don’t amp no mo
Is it just me or is Dynamo's stomp complete horseshit?
>>580117564what the fuck
NEW items are coming.......
>enemy team is Abrams, Dynamo, FireFaggot, Lash, Lady Geist, Bebop>after 15 minutes the entire game boils down to "don't get hit by the thing">except there's 50 things>both Lash and Dynamo has refresher>even counter items are nowhere near enough to even interact with anythingIt's matches like this that really remind you that you're entire ability to even play the game, let alone enjoy it, is at the complete mercy of whether your opponents want to be insufferable or not. This amount of AOE spam CC can only be described as slop
>>580117854you only need counterspell indomitable and unstoppable and dispel magic though?
>>580118312Wrong he only needs spirit resistance and he counters 6/6
>>580117854Lash ult is the most retarded thing I have ever seen in any moba.
>>580118312>you only need 20k~ worth of greens to begin playing though
>>580117768>leak4.png>leakso funny that anyone actually believes this
>>580117768ghost busters viscous...kino...
>>580115663>It was a bunch of the same character repeated en masseWas it Chinese?
>>580115336I really only play carbine paradox because it's funny to dome people from halfway across the map for 70% of their hp. this basically forces them to leave. if they don't, your ult and bomb will finish the job. barrier for silencing and "fuck you stop following me" stuffEarly game you're kind of shit damage. Focus on enabling and assisting your lane partner and poking damage. Get those headshots. The moment you get to express shot and tank buster, you start shitting out damage.Reminder that you are a "pick" character. You choose one target and go "you know what? fuck you."Mid-late game your bombs will also start doing a bunch of damage, so you can just throw them at minions and clear a full wave without trying
>>580118783>cheats
>>580118691It was foreign characters, but not sure if it was Chinese. There is a thread on the deadlock forum from june about the same exploit with no resolution.
If you can dispel magic doorman's cart to get off it you should be allowed to dispel magic bebops hook
Your initial placement is all the matters, its impossible to solo carry this game is pure shit
>>580118993this so much thisAI has allowed us to proove the valve forces losses
>casually play graves on in*tiate>carrying the team with haze both going 17-4>dopped enemy patron>team decides to do midboss when enemies have two aoe lockdown ults with rem and dynamo>shrug and just go in because the game has been going on for 50 minutes and I don't care anymore>evade rem but everyone else gets sleeped and they steal the buffs>we all die>lose>niggers blame me for not telling them that we shouldn't have been doing midboss
two more weeks until we get to see the next hero dropSTAND STRONG PATRIOTS
>>580073452No one tell xim
>>580119131and they're right
Gaben was going to shut down development of the game so in a last ditch effort to show playtime and player retention they devised the worst ranking system known to man. Ensuring to strike FOMO in NEETs while simultaneously being entirely based on playtime, not skill
I refuse to get over the warden situation. People have been telling me for years this guy is B tier meh after I point out that he's extremely strong and can do literally everything, then he gets NERFED constantly and now suddenly, out of the blue, for no reason at all, he's broken S tier. deadlock players are literal retarded troglodytes and they need their 76iq streamers to put 2 and 2 together for them before they can parrot an opinion. of course asking a streamer to do this is nearly an impossible task which is why it took 2 years
>>580119567no, making them learn the hard way is proper
>>580119579playtime = skill though
>>580119375Proofs?
>>580119741yoshi told me in a dream
>>580119772did he shit an egg in your mouth?
>>580119579That's not how Valve development works, or has ever worked for the company's entire history. If the developers ditch the game it's because they moved to some other project not because Gabe forced them to
>>580119847we were playing the deadlock kart dlc in the new mario retardy
>>580099585Dude I love The Avengers
>>580118783I'm pretty sure Express Shot on her is still bug abuse. The last time I checked it did literally 4x the supposed damage.
I come here and I downplay op top tier heroes and you niggers are so dishonest and boosted you agree with me
>>580119375Give me my aviator woman already
>>580119902Gaben hasnt made a company decision in over a decade, some executive brought the hammer down on the deadlock devs, so the devs devised this retarded scheme to maximize playtime so they can show their bosses the metrics in meetings
>>580111703Why torment on celeste? You don't buy escalating or trans cd, and your damage is based on hitting light eater not killing with torment
>>580118467>you only need unfunny ironic discord gif to have a personality
>>580120234I was watching chet felizek's youtube and he made it sound like gabe still gave the yes or no on projects. may have changed, but I doubt he's that hands off
>>580120380That isn't how Valve's management structure works, go read that Twitter thread from the disgruntled ex-employee
>>580083216>comeback mechanics are badleague of faggots player detectedfeel free to fuck off with your retarded opinions
>rem squeaks nearby
Valve really captured the experience of being around niggers when they made infernus
is this the perfect Holliday build?
>>580121006>infernus is reformed, has a job, dresses well, puts america first and looks out for peopleno?
>>580121380infernus is an uncle tom cuck lmfaoblue collar worker risking his life to save his bosses' bar
>>580121380>Shoots you>Burns you for free >Runs away if you even dare fight back
apparently you can crash people's games with text, anyone figure out how to do it?
can they buff shiv already
>>580121519if inferus is an "uncle tom" who did he sell out or submit to? also his "boss" is the person that saved him from organized crime and gave him an honest job despite his background. he didn't join the ritual to "save his boss's bar" he's repaying a favor to a friend that saved his life.
>>580122050shut the fuck up cracker
>>580121628how is that different from any other playable character in the game unironically
So what's actually the most compy thing here for Venator?? I grab a couple tier 3s before saving for Silencer. High IQ answers only.Ven already suffers from no movement and I feel like weighted makes me feel much worse. Has anyone ever done the math on if Holow overall does more damage than intensifying? Or is the benefit of hollow point shredding for a team with gun carries
sex with shiv
>>580122050>niggers in my game are okay because of THE HECKING LORE!!!!>the game made the nigger character a cool professional guy with no flaws so niggers are based now
>>580122168I accept your concession
>>580122254>High IQ answers onlyGo spirit ven
>>580122265Seething cuck. You're not white.
>>580122254int mag seems pretty accepted as nonoptional core. Opening rounds seems kind of wasteful on him. And if you get weighted you probably need some running shoes because he's already the slowest character in the game.
>>580122280I revoke my concession
>>580122265I accept your concession
>>580122280accept dis white boi!*unloads glock into you face*
>>580122487I accept your concession little gup
imagine how scary it would be if black people would randomly run at you screaming "INITIATING" and then blow themselves upoh wait just another day in germanyGOTTEM
>>580122362>You're not white if you don't worship niggers
>>580122721inferus is not black just like you aren't white
dead game
how do you do the "character is missing" calls everyone does
>just had someone threaten to post match id on the forums to get me banned should I be worried? It was a standard match if that matters
>>580124237click their portrait
>>580124237Alt click on the portrait at the top
Infernus isn't woke just because he's a nigger, he's woke because of his whole "I ain't ixian nigga I was born in the US of A shieeeeet" wokeshittery
>>580124287i got banned from the biggest tf2 trading site for 10 years because someone got mad at me so yeah i would be, valvedrones are mentally ill
>>580124305You need to be 18 to post here
>literal uncle tom is woke now
>>580114617thats why im sticking to the chaotic standard mode
I THINK SIPHON BULLETS SUCK
>>580124287>>580124335okay so>don't usually throw>playing billy laning with vindicta>vindicta does jackshit and they get guardian>fuck it I'm doing boxes>my sincalire bitches and moaning because he's trying to get into ranked>after getting boxes for like 5 minutes I sneak a walker >end up with more souls than the sinclaire and he threatens to post match id for an "ez ban"
how do I maximize souls when I play a carry hero? usually after lane I'll sidelane and hit camps. but I notice I still fall behind teammates and enemies. should I be joining fights too?
>>580124287a year or two ago they would ban you 100%, nowadays no not ever
>>580124763if you arent joining the fight you better be taking their walker or their entire jungle
>>580124763camps give almost no souls try to do two lanes at once and join fights if you have your ult usually then leavesinners are really good too cause they give buffs which are just money as well but generally camps right now are worthless and a waste of time
>>580124763Yes. This was my biggest problem starting out, farming barely gives anything you want kills.Fight participation is important and any time you're not doing that clear a lane, and whenever lanes are fine then farm.
How much joechuck do I have to watch to get good at doorman?
>>580126181>Place door at walker/spawn>Ult>Cart them through doorWow so hard
>>580126181doorman being reworked
>it's a "your carries hard feed in lane and refuse to ever use their ult unless they're getting ganked" episodeuse your ult. use your muthafuckin ult. no, don't use it when you are getting ganked because that's when it's most likely to be useless, and there's no need to save it during 3v3 skirmishes ffs
>>580126407dont worry ill come back into this game hitting the hard camp for 2 minute straight
When Haze buffs? She is unplayable.
>Geist on Standard>Lash on Brawl>Apollo on RankedWho's gonna be on the PvE mode?
goo punch has such a tiny ass window to parry
goo'd to meat you
>>580126846i had a haze make a huge play where she sat in the rift while we fought and then emerged to ult a paige with 25% hp
>>580122254the cool part of deadlock and dota is.. it depends! what youre matched with and against. how they play. who's suckin. all those items fit venetor for the right situation
Shiv on Standart Shiv on BrawlShiv on RankedWho am i gonna main on the PvE mode?
>psh... nothing personel kid..
IT'S ABOUT TO GET STICKY!!!!
>>580127317its annoying to train your brain to be reactive to audio cues while also dealing with all the visual shit in this game
>>580127814wrong thread spiderbro
>>580124305Someone being patriotic about the place they were born is woke now? You political niggas really have rendered every word you use meaningless
>>580127317it used to be smaller, the worst part is you're just responding to audio cues because they are most likely place behind you, which if missed you are now on the rape train
What if Viscous had a skin where he was milky white?Just kidding haha....
>>580120604Not bad, badly implemented. As is those are "win more" mechanics, not comeback mechanics. Good luck competing for a rift when you're behind as a team. 90% of the time it's just a teamwipe of the losing team.They should add real objectives that can divert opponents' attention so we can smartly come back, not this.
Viscous should've been a goo girl. Just sayin'
>>580128013i mean chatgpt astra could make that in 1 hour
>>580127619Dive into it. When would you prefer hollow to weighted?
>>580128141what about a poo girl
>>580128029I don't think you know what those words mean.A win more thing is something that is only useful if you are already winning and useless otherwise, ONLY if you are ahead and useless otherwise is the key points.Contesting rift in even games is very important, so it literally by definition cannot be winmore, you make arguments about how viable it is to contest based on how behind you are, but by the sheer fact its valuable in even games make your point wrong.You even yourself disprove it by saying "90% of the time", if it was winmore its 100% of the time useless unless you are ahead.No, comeback mechanics are realLike getting more souls when you are behind is a very real comeback mechanic that is constantly benefiting you. You are just retardedgo back to league of legends if you hate comeback mechanics so hard, the only game in the genre that completely got rid of them because it wants a snowbally genre to be EVEN MORE snowbally
>>580128141Viscussy...
>>580128329>Contesting rift in even games is very importantIt's not thoughbeit
>>580128013>>580128162retarded new fags
>enemy team takes rift>dynamo stomp the wave>push instantly thwarted
>>580128443>league of faggots player still butt blastedno one cares about your bricklow opinions
this game has extremely good comeback mechanics lol, even if you're down -15% souls at 30 mins getting 3 picks means midboss + shrines and p1 + urn + rift (maybe) and back to even, making the first 30 min of the game pointless
>>580128447do you know what the color white is? is that what milk looks like in your 3rd world shithole?
>>580128549no one cares about rift, no one cares about urn.
>>580128721I contest every rift even if my teammates are pleading me to give
>>580128329>You even yourself disprove it by saying "90% of the time", if it was winmore its 100% of the time useless unless you are ahead.You took this and ran with it as if it doing it's intended function 10% of the time and the opposite 90% of the time was a good thing.Nothing is ever 100%.Just today we've baited enemies into the midboss pit so we could duo splitpush their patron from two sidelines and win while they were cut off off ziplines and busy with the rest of our team.(all that with randoms without using vc mind you) Therefore losing midboss is a comeback mechanic.(we were 40k down as a team)
>>580080817so funny reading lolbab and overtroon comments like this.
>gg go next we lost the riftSaid no one ever
>>580124291>>580124296ok what about the "i see character" ones
>>580129528ping them with your crosshair.
I see bookworm..........
Duo queueing should be disabled for Phantom and above.
>>580129650This is the thing that killed Overwatch btw
How do spam "careful (character)" so I can annoy my useless retard teammates
People ask how to counter Silver when disarming hex only disarms her for a QUARTER(25%) of her ult's durationFire rate slows make her gun borderline unusable on top of making her stacking her attack speed in ult hellAND THEY ALL HAVE 100% UPTIME
>>580130101Just click on themIf I have a spat with a teammate I click on them every time they're fucking up
Anyone else hard stuck at oracle 6? Feels like anytime I get close to phantom I just get giga stomped 6 games in a row
>>580129890Wasn't that GOATs and Blizzards shit decision making?
>>580130229well if you're just playing without improving you aren't going to go up in rank....
>>580129890I thought it was tank+heal.
>>580130387It still had a dedicated playerbase of comptards but then Blizzard said "no you can't queue ranked with your friends" and that was it
>>580122169try getting away with half the 80 iq infernus positioning on a fairer hero like paige.
just realized that i have lived in the US my entire life and only known 1 redhead and she wasnt even hot like paige
>>580130719This outfit Paige but bimbo tits and lips
>>580128983>Nothing is ever 100%.It is when you call it winmore.The term comes from card games, and a win more card is a card that ONLY functions when winning and already have the game in the bag to immediately seal it out, it isn't a good thing.So when you call rift a win more mechanic and say its that 90% of the time, that isn't a win more mechanic then.As I said, >I don't think you know what those words mean.>A win more thing is something that is only useful if you are already winning and useless otherwise, ONLY if you are ahead and useless otherwise is the key points.But it seems you just want to say shit and then try to back peddle.Classic league of faggots behaviour.Say shit, don't understand what it means, and then try to act like you don't understand when called out on being retarded. If you didn't mean it was a win more mechanic, then don't call it that, that is YOUR fault.
>>580130953GROK, DO YOUR THING!
>>580130581Also Overwatch isn't dead it's alive still. Actually it has 68k players on Steam alone right now which doesn't include the Bnet launcher.duo queue leads to having too much boosted apes in ranks they shouldn't be. Actually you know what, keep duo queue, but a duo should lose twice as much points than a solo queue player.
I LOVE GRINDING STANDARD MATCHES!THANK YOU YOSHIT FOR THIS ADDITION TO MATCH MAKING!
>>580121380These riots were kino and fun.
>>580115029depends on your hero but some sort of resist shred + a slow means you just get to take away his hp for free
>>580131096>Also Overwatch isn't deadIntroducing a real 6v6 mode reignited some interest but I can guarantee they aren't making any money rn and the player numbers will drop off quickly
>>580131231>riotsthey were peaceful protests, chud.
is this the perfect billy build?
>>580131096i struggle to understand how ow was on the brink of death with no updates for years only to somehow make a comeback even though the game is entirely a front to sell skins to whales
>>580131081Can you shove your league terminology up your autistic ass and stop getting angry over extremely narrow meanings you've made up for words and terms commonly used differently than whatever you're imagining them to be?
>>580131615>"noooo you are the league of faggots player actually!!!">calls it "league"Yeah we can all see what you are.You trying to add credence to your retarded league of faggots ideology by using terms you don't understand just makes you a retard not anything else.
>>580131571>somehow make a comebackWoman. Yes, I'm being dead serious I've never heard so many female gamers in a fps than I have playing Overwatch. Oh, the Japanese for some reason the Japanese are the biggest consumers for games you really want to die, but won't because they throw money at these games.
Lady Geist should not be able to melt ObjectivesLast game she did 44k object damage
Stop pressing the melee button on billy, just build rapid recharge and superior cooldown to spam bashdown.
>>580131861she's a gun hero why shouldnt she
>>580131773Are you going to stop talking about The League of Legends(TM)?(I wrote it how you like it, happy?)Are you going to stop being retarded about correcting people's use of terms you made up a new meaning for?Or do you want to get le discord blocked?(oh and look how I outed myself, and how you're going to try to invert my invertion of your invertion while none of those invertions ever happened)
I cant do good overall player dmg on abrams he's the only character I can't keep pace with, I get focused before I can get enough of my damage out how the fuck do I play this guy
>>580132202She built spirit
>>580132268>league of faggots player trying to argueAs I said you just pretend you don't understand>Are you going to stop being retarded about correcting people's use of terms you made up a new meaning for?Idk are you going to stop insisting whatever definition you make up in your head is actually what the definition for something is.If I am so wrong, then explain it for all of us to see that the term isn't "win more card" and it doesn't come from card games. That your application of "win more mechanic" isn't just wildly off base.Go on, write your definition down and we can all compare it to what everyone else on the internet knows it means, its a common but very specific term that has been around for 30 years after all.Until then the definition of every word you use must mean that you are a retarded bricklow player, by your own logic.
>>580084694>NO MOO DON'T COMBO ME AIIIEE
>>580132294Do the spirit abrams build
>lets give tanks the highest dps and best movement abilities too hehe nothing bad will happen
>>580099585Then there is me, you or the enemy team takes my main and I will piss int till the game ends. No I do not care, I will make you learn your lesson to never touch my main. Simple as.
>>580100003Unironically true, game would be better if you could just fist people.
Dude i LOVE losing!!! Losing is so fun!!! I love never winning, eve!!!!!! I LOVE DEADLOCK I LOVE DEADLOCK
>>580133372Looks like you're just bat at the game
>>580133372boosted alert
>>580132294I think youre supposed to play him as some sort of assasin tank otherwise you just get focused like you said
>>580133372This game fucking blows, the devs need their heads cut off
>>580133372>Play the ranked mode when only retards are left playingSorry you had to lose your points before realizing this
>>580129528use middle mouse button to ping
anyone know any loopholes around the EOMM
>>580133935whenver i play 1-2 games i usually get a win. if i play 3+ games i get a big lossstreaksame as rivals but makes sense since they're stealing a lot from rivals already
>>580129596ok but how>>580133883someone told me to put my middle mouse key to crouch so i changed it, do i need to take that off or is it another keybind
>>580119101What is this and where can I find it?
>>580134129https://statlocker.gg/rank-luck
>>580133372once this happened i stopped playing ranked
>>580134047>someone told me to put my middle mouse key to crouchthat sounds retarded>do i need to take that off or is it another keybindin the keybind settings there should be a 'ping/chat wheel' option, change it to whatever you want
>>580134228>"there is no eomm in ba sing se"why does yoshi love to rape children? who told him to do that?
>>580134467ok ty i found it, the fact that you actually have to hit them with your crosshair for the ping makes me worry i'll miss and ping something else but we'll cross that bridge later
QUIT BROWSING THE FUCKIGN SEARS CATALOG AND GET TO THE LAST IMPORATANT TEAM FIGHT YOU DUMBFUCK
oooh new mattress
>>580134491pretty sure its well known if you're an older account it will match you with new players because you're supposed to "carry" them
>>580134750>On my way!
>>580134862okay so what if I just stop playing the game, huh?what then?checkmate yoshi, eat a cock
'EDED TA BLOO
rem arcana: fent addict rem
>>580135081
>>580134491across three play sessions i went from 37th percentile season luck to 98th to 7th this is just ai coded slop to make players feel better about themselves
>>580133372u r n00b.
>700 hours later>518 games later>new mm update>went from emissary to seeker>climbing is even grindier than before>stuck in seeker hell with back-to-back winstreaks and losestreaksok yeah should I just head out? just uninstall and refuse to look back? 'cause I'm just actually terrible at this gameit's going to take me a lifetime to actually reach eternus at this rate, and I don't feel like playing again and again after rank reset after rank reset
>>580074524I think they should tone down her damage and make the rest of her kit not suck so much dick.
>>580134491wtf is this trying to convey?
>>580135385>flight it's flight, signature ability>stakeauto kills people out of position or use it to defend herself>ultimate: big ass execute headshot from the map awayperfectly fine>crow>mediocre harassonly thing I'll agree with
>>580135496let the man cope in peace
>>580135213>this is just ai coded slop to make players feel better about themselvesdon't be so hard on the mm buddy
>>580135381This was me. >Was Archon>People kept picking my Haze cuz of streamer faggots taking her to play double dagger build>Have zero interest in playing other heroes>Piss int because fuck you >drop to seeker>every game feels forced as fuck >either game is super easy and you win>or you are down 10k 6 mins in cuz the other 2 lanes piss feed and you are stuck not being able to leave cuz low prio sucks even moreIts even worse now because these faggots got Haze nerfed again to unplayable status. MOBAs suck ass. Been having more fun playing e33. Why don't these retard nigger devs just let you pick whatever you want and not listen to some unemployed 50 viewer twitch andy?
>>580135523Flight should not let you do spirit damage just cuz you are in the air. Vertical characters in general in this game are already bullshit as is. Mina bats shouldn't let you kite nor should lash jump fuck all that.
>>580135719>Have zero interest in playing other heroes>only hazeno wonder you're losing interest in the game>>580135815vindicta and lash were there from the start, I don't get the point of complaining about them now. get to cover. they're a walking positioning check.
>>580135381hopefully there won't be a season 2 of this ranked mode. zero chance I'm playing again if there's another reset
>>580135719Got placed into Phantom II and now I'm stuck in Acolyte I-VIliterally slapped an EOMM on this game and called it a day in the MM update, holy hell. This game used to be kinda fun to complain about, but now it's just sad and pathetic in its current state.
>>580135910>n-noooo you need to hide cuz I click button>you can't 1v1 or counter play me cuz skyhit boxes are bs>you gotta wait like a cuck and let me do whateverFuck you, I should be able to 1v1 and have skill like aim actually matter. >only hazeI play other heroes now but victor still can't hit flying niggers like mina or dicta with aura cuz vertical movement is braindead broken.
>Win 1>Get put in cock and ball torture the next 1Its not even fucking subtle about it
havent played since ognbdodged a fucking missile it seems
>leave standard>get punished and can't play rankedepic
>>580136194>you can't 1v1 mevindicta folds immediately if she gets ganked or gets targeted from the backline
the fuck does m even stand formirages?why can't they use a normal unit of measure
>>580136347If I have better aim than you, you shouldn't be allowed to just abuse sky hitbox and cheese win the 1v1. I am not going to do all that when I have better aim than you.
why did yoshi yell this after making the new matchmaking update? is he sadickstic?https://files.catbox.moe/cl2333.mp4
>>580136494backline disruption, flanking, you have a lot of opportunities to attack her outside trying to unga bunga at her. she's a sniper.
>>580135523>flight>it's flight, signature abilityAnd? just because it's a signature ability it shouldn't be touched? flight is the blight of vindicta's kit, too much power budget on a skill with a long ass cooldown that is simultaneous offensive, defensive and supportive, she moves unbearably slow during it and gets cucked out of any indoor fight because of it. Also phantom strike lol.>auto kills people out of position or use it to defend herselfShit defensive tool, but I agree that stake is fine, it's her best skill.>ultimate: big ass execute headshot from the map awayNot an execute, strong early, useless late. Underwhelming for an ultimate ability even if it has charges, mostly valuable for the stacking effect, mostly fine but could use some cooldown reduction.>crowAlso, Vindicta's stats suck donkey dick, she is unbearably slow for a character that is supposed to be roaming around looking for fights.
>>580136796flying back line sniper that shits out damage and can do long range picks, what else could she possibly need bruh ong frfr
i only complain about vindicta when shes on my team bitch dont do jack shit
>>580136704jeff slipping and breaking the table is representative of yoshi immediately queuing into a game with no carry against a meta comp
>>580136749>you gotta completely change your playstyle for this 1 specific character cuz le flying>don't have to do this with any other hero>somehow your hero is not the problemThis is the laziest downplaying I have ever seen.
>>580135994pisslows can't even lie properly max rank you can get is oracle 6 retard rank system isn't perfect but acting like its worse than before is just retarded you are able to see the actual numbers now literally the only difference is shields which are retarded and mm was always dogshit but now smurfing is less likely to effect low or high elo games
>>580136494>>580136894it's still a moba, retardsaim shouldn't even be a thing we should have targeting, or at least the option
>>580137057she's the sniper of the game, what else should she have? >>580137076>aim shouldn't be a thing1800 come on now
>>580137061retard
>>580137076>its le moba>Smite is moba that requires aim and landing skill shots>pre is moba that requires aim and landing skill shots>NOOO DEADLOCK IS LE MOBA AIM NO MATTER You are retarded. Its a 3rd person moba which will automatically require aim further its a moba SHOOTER.
>>580137136name 1 successful moba that hasn't had heroes' basic attacks be point and click targeting
>>580137223deadlock
>>580137262not out yet.
>>580137136Either they fix the sky hitbox bullshit of vertical characters or they nerf her spirit flight damage. Her stacks are more broken than drifter's too btw.
The levels of pissed teammates get over every thing in this game is truly amusing
>>5801373402024 vindicta and then 2025 double stack 'dicta was OP. now she's just strong and relies on a good pilot because she's the most gankable hero in the game
>>580137221the moba part of my post is the vindicta being an hvt and forcing you to play around her you can't ignore a real carry, they're supposed to be backline and shit out big dps but also be glass cannonsabomination assassin/carry hybrids like wraith and vyper are more bullshit than immobile slow squishy vindicta
>>580137438>Gankable>tethers you >flys away>shits out a billion damage from broken spirit scaling>clicks 4 >You die.
god I just love disingenuous hyperbolic balance posting
>>580137540if you gank her and get the first strike, she should either be dead or about to be dead. if you can't do that you're either too far behind or your build sucks
seethe more aimlets
>>580135196sometimes I forget yoshi is genuinely retarded thank you for the reminder anon
its insane to me that not only do they let hotpoo work on this game after only working on pve games but they let him design heroes too. every single hero this nigger touches is aids
>>580137484Wraith and Vyper require more skill because they require good aim tracking. Characters like Mina and Vindicta are bullshit and not "immobile" because they have broken flight abilities that let them kite the entire roster. A real immobile hero would be Ven.
>>580137695not to mention all of the pve aspects of this game are aids
>queue up for a game of standard>plan to just sit back and relax>metaslop celeste and warden on enemy team>tryhard so they lose the game>winJesus fuck not even standard is safe from the same fucking heroes you see in ranked.
>>580137765standard is just 3 little ranked modes in a trenchcoat
>>580137484>abomination assassin/carry hybrids like wraith and vyper are more bullshit than immobile slow squishy vindictaWhich is a bit ironic even, given that Vindicta is the one with the identity of an assassin.
>>580137634You can play Calico and she can still just tether you then shit out a billion damage and you die. She requires way too many expensive soul item investments to effectively shut her down in a 1v1 because she will counter spell your knock down, unstop your phantom strike ect.. Answer me this. Why do you think literally every player ever always focus on shutting down her flying ability and literally nothing else? Its because its broken.
>>580137716>being up close and hitting hard cc on an enemy requires more aim tracking than shooting ants that dash around 10 times ok retardmina is also an assassin/skirmisher so I don't get out point therevenator's a brawler with a cleanup ult, not a carry
>>580137386this game is a portal to hell thoughbeit
>>580137765This is a problem due to unemployed zoomer streamers making this shit mainstream. Ruins every single online game we as a society would benefit limiting these people's game time and force them to be productive members of society.
>>580137695what do you want vyper or calico to do? calico is a burst assassin, vyper is a gun hypercarry. >>580137923>she tethers you!indom/dispel. I don't know, she's at 200 hp from real burst damage from the usual assassins
>>580138014not to mention that balancing this game around the 1% is something the devs unironically WITHOUT A JOKE do. it's still assumed that the top e-celeb eternus players have access to dev builds, even after the deathy leak that occured
>>580137935>being up closeMan, that would actually be very easy except for the fact the vindicta subhuman clicks one button and creates tons of space for free>what's your point hereMy point is every single hero in the game that abuses verticality and sky hitboxes automatically are put into an advantage vs more honest heroes who cannot fly into the air and kite. We really going to say a mina should just be able to fly up and kite a whole haze ult is in anyway fair? The ult is on a higher cd than mina bats.Also>Ven is not a carry>every single comp game he is played as pos 1Holy shitlow.
>>580138036Yeah bro you just gotta buy a 6400 or 3200 item that only stops 1 of the 6 enemies single ability to counter them clicking 1 button. then you gotta buy knock down, cursed relic and phantom strike to get her to stop flying because she has counter spell and unstop. All of this to stop 2 abilities in her kit that she can just do again cuz of echo shart.
>>580138363>compare you playing in those comps? probably not, just know that your kind (cuck viewers soiing over videogame losers playing games) are actively ruining the gameopinion disregarded, concession accepted, etc.
>>580138014>productive members of society.Fuck no let the employim deal in the real world, the NEET will rule the digital one.
Vindicta soon to be the new Silver with how hard people downplay and upplay her
>>580138543you should just uninstall the game then, I'm sure riot will release their clone for you in 5 years or so
Update better come out this week
speaking of midboss, after returning to league it's fucking INSANE how nobody in that game does Baron after you get two picks. they just stand aroundhow the FUCK has deadlocks player base evolved faster in less than 2 years than League has in 15????
>>580138036I want hotpoo to not be involved at all in the design. yes lets give the gun hypercarry execute 2 minutes into the game and also insane scaling but don't forget the near infinite movement and literal infinite ammovyper would be top 10 super fun heroes if this game was PvE. hotpoo seems to forget this is a PvP game
>>580138808if you hate itemization, hate the heroes, and the verticality, then this game isn't for you. and that's OK
>>5801388052 picks in league really depends on who that is, if the top's alive you're in for a rought fight, and dont even bother if their jungle's alive, that's just gamblingalso baron rapes you without 3 people in the pit unlike midboss which can be solo'd by the equivalent of an adc
>>580138657>You need to be in comp to see that's how every ven playsDo you just not play the game or something?>>580138742>you should uninstall the game because you point out how fundamentally expensive it is to shut down one bullshit abilityConcession accepted. Also btw, no other company thinks snipers should fly in the air. You don't see blackwidow flying or widow maker.
>>580138805The picks in league must include the enemy jungle or all of their coresA numbers advantage is all you need in deadlock because of the melee secure system
>>580138972did you mean to reply to me because only one of these applies
>>580138774>late september estimate>second week of september
>>580138996bro, it's OK to admit that you don't like the game. stop playing it. I think the flying sniper has a unique role in the game that makes it uniquely deadlock. I think teams have more than enough tools and strategies to deal with her, and you're not gonna win every game. it's ok bro. just...step away from the screen.
>>580138972Yeah my fault for trying to have good mechanical aim. I should just pick pocket, faceroll my keyboard and hit abilities the size of a lane like everyone else. That definitely takes more skill than aim tracking.
>>580138808pvp is getting removed in the update in 2 weeks
>>580120280>You don't buy escalatinganon what is that item in the top right
>>580139143Again I accept your concession why do you think even Valve never made a tf2 flying sniper or had people flying around in cs awping people??
>>580139149>>580139245I know getting killed by the flying sniper hurts your ego, but I must remind you that you don't need to play this game.
>>580139245because those games are relatively grounded and based on legacy games
>>580138363>mina/vindicta press their ability >haze can corner boost into wall jump into [hidden bug trannies only] and get a free point blank dagger which neuters their stam (the only thing they have left>kills them wow! aerial abilities are so broken!retards like you will then turn around and say grey talon is super mobile and broken because he can.... dash
>>580138808>filtered by the greed rape abilitydeserved
>>580139149pocket doing all that does only 50% of the damage someone with good mechanical aim will deal as a m1gger in the time it takes for his shortest cd to reset
>>580139306You're the one defending a crutch character to cheese wins. Sounds like (you) should stop playing the game
>>580139372greedy of me to step out from under my tower I know. I should have just stayed in spawn the moment I saw I was playing against the most honest heroes designed by /ourGOD/ hopoo and accepted defeat
>>580139245>>580139314but both those games have people literally spam jumping and the exact same bug abuse that plagues deadlock
>>580139125and?
>>580139374>>580139149now we just need the silver schizos and then the people who think parry shouldn't exist >>580139447I've never played vindicta in my life
>>580139447vindicta literally has a sub 50% winrate. she is one of the weakest heroes in the entire game
>>580139323>yeah bro you need to be an unemployed movement autist like me and learn about le coroner boostI promise you this game will turn into artifact 2.0 when they have to deal with that bullshit too. They need to make the movement more intuitive and easier to use not all of us are unemployed.
>half the cast are spirit heroes with burst damage buttons that delete 1/3rd of your hp and get out for free with their intangible movement ability >no one complains>flavor of the month m1 hero who's only purpose is to stat check players when they're ahead in souls after 40 minutes >omg they're so broken yoshi pls immediately hot fixi swear you faggots forget you're playing a third person shooter
>eido humliated by pure blood asiansits over for hapacels.....
>>580139569Silver had a 44% winrate when she was nerfedwinrates do not = balance, especially with the mickey mouse self reported garbage data that is statlocker.
>>580139519Parry shouldn't exist either I spend all my stamina and close gap only to get punished for trying to kill you for playing badly. Makes no sense. Mind game minigames are stupid and always h
>>580139702>didn't finish the postyou lost the mind game
>>580139245>Base Jumper sniperkino
>>580139751Okay, minigames especially mind game minigames are peak reddit game design. Its only made worse cuz of ping.
>>580139672win rates do in fact equal balance, retardit's ban rates that you want to influence design and balance changes, because annoying heroes are worse than 51% winrate heroes most of the time
>>580139849>RPS melee systems are reddithow so
>>580139853>Mirage>one of the lowest winrates in the roster>always banned in dlns.
>>580139936again, actively ruining the game
>>580139985https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/
>>580139460lane is literally impossible to loseyour only excuse is if you're mid where bridge control doesn't also give wave controlotherwise you just buy HR and push from high ground
>>580139920Because this is a moba not Rock Paper Scissors? Mobas are all about resource investments to transform small leads into bigger leads. So when you have lane pressure and are at their guardian line, they are low, you invest stamina to close gap they shouldn't be able to reverse all that by clicking a single button cuz they are pavlov dogs trained to click when they hear heavy melee sound? Is this your first moba or something? Why are we defending turtling under tower with negative HP?
>>580140039that game suffers from the same problem, I don't see your point
>>580140087this is not a pure moba, it's also part movement shooter and something entirely new. they're not going to remove verticality, the melee RPS, or the itemization. if you had the fundamentals of deadlock, why in the world are you playing it?
>>580140087>Because this is a moba not Rock Paper Scissors?>carry > fighter/tank > assassin > carry
>>580140151>if you hate*melee RPS is easily the best thing about deadlock btw
>>580140151Yeah and those elements all suck ass to play against and only serve bad players to not get shitstomped by people who actually know moba. I am not even against the shooter aspects I think they are cool but this is also an alpha meaning any of these things can be changed or outright removed, hopefully they also change TTK too because as it currently stands the laning stage is purely cosmetic any lukewarm IQ retard can come out of the laning stage and not be punished for playing poorly.
>>580137484>you can't ignore a real carry, they're supposed to be backline and shit out big dps but also be glass cannonsNo, a real carry, and every hard carry, is a bruiser meleeunkillableinsane sustained damagecan't get away from themcan't fight themIf you can just jump them and they die then they aren't a real carry.
what triggers the "death brings consequences once more" voiceline
>>580140258parry just needs a lower cooldown, and less penalty when a light melee is parriedright now it's, don't heavy melee, ever, and hit light melees erratically and pray they don't parry at a random moment to match your random meleeanyone predicting either a parry or a melee is playing against a predictable person, aka someone playing the melee game wrong
>>580140395rejuv expiring, fart smella
>>580140210Yeah except no character has a real defined role just positions. This analogy doesn't carry any water. >>580140258Maybe if you like Reddit.
>>580140357see -> >>580140039
>>580139853>win rates do in fact equal balance, retardGood job on exposing yourself on being a newfaggot retard.Mina when she had 0 nerfs and could literally one shot walkers/mid solo with ult was bad because her wr was low thenKWABBBBfucking RETARD
>>580140521uh, yes?if she could do that and STILL had a sub 50% winraate, she wasn't very good or useful for winning then was she?
>>580140456hmmm i guess its used alongside the normal rejuv expire line?
>>580140454>parry just needs a lower cooldown, and less penalty when a light melee is parriednah, I used to think that too but the melee heroes can easily bait out parries and at worse are just reloading in their face. this game actually has a lot of options for extending pressure (QSR, extended magazine, active reload, or just siphon abrams).>right now it's don't heavy melee everfalse, I bait constantly and feint my heavy melees to where they will be to slap their ass. it's incredibly satisfying.
>>580140469>mobas aren't rps>but mobas are rps by roles>erm actually mobas (every moba in existence btw) don't have defined roles!fucking retard
>>580140601(You)
still waiting for a real explanation why melee RPS is "reddit" reddit is questioning simple but effective mind game systems
>>580140784I accept your concession
>>580140785thing i dont like = reddit
>>580140820you obviously do not play the game if you think release mina was anything but one of the most OP characters this game has ever seen.that or you're a disingenuous faggot there is no reason to engage with a retard like you in good faith.
>>580140702Today I learned every hero in DOTA 2 has hard defined roles. Guess we just ignore that a fed Invoker will be able to 1v1 everyone.
>>580140665You see someone go to vault? that's a free light meleechanneling spells? thanks for the free heavy meleeMost heroes have situations you can just get free melees in, especially if your force them, vaulting up something and then the enemy following you and you just charge a full heavy melee and they are animation locked, or even just light when you see it if you want to be safe and not call them outlet alone that every single hero who wants to melee has a way to setup free melees that are guaranteedthe melee rps game is always in favor of the person doing the melees as you can just not melee ever and any time they parry they are self stunning themselvesits only an issue for people who spam melee and are very predictable or do it are really retarded times when they could just shoot the person dead even if it means reloading in their face, this works to the benefit of people who don't spam melee as people will just parry for no reason to predict a retard trying to melee and you just get a free heavy
>>580140665you are the problemheavy melees should not be able to do a 90-180 degree turn to do le epic bait or feint, it's a gimmick without a penaltywhy is parry fucked for responding to the very loud sound that you're supposed to be conditioned to respond to, but throwing a random heavy melee then turning 180 and throwing it away is just free? you can't do that with a light melee, you just gotta tap it and pray
>>580141092YOU are the problem>waahhh wahhhh why are they playing mindgames with me i just wanna hear the noise and press the button!!!!
>>580140454>and less penalty when a light melee is parriedthis would make trying to parry light melees never worth the risk
>>580141064>fedclassic, classic, classicOMG HERO SO OP HE... IS AHEAD AND HAS MORE ITEMSyet another reason to ignore anything you say>>580140963release mina is nothing compared to the latest batch of heroes, even post-nerfs besides silver, and current wraith, seven, vyper, even vindicta can take a tower just as fast by holding m1, so why did mina have to take a hit when she wasn't winning games as often but this is allowed to happen now?
>>580141092Are you retarded?If they heavy melee in the opposite direction and you parry then you end up in a beneficial situation because you are out of their melee range and can move before they canThe person doing the melee needs to have a gap closer to make doing this at all worthwhile and all they can get out of using that is a light meleeIf you think someone heavy meleeing away from you in a 1v1 is a problem you are actually fucking retarded.
>>580141092>you are the problemyou don't know the half of it :D>heavy melees should not be able to do a 90-180 degree turn to do le epic bait or feint, it's a gimmick without a penaltythe penalty is being shot in the head or burst with an ability if they call your bluff. it's also weaker without melee charge.
>>580140785>you didn't win the le heckerino mind gamerino minigame despite playing a moba game properly>guess you lose cuz the le heckin minigameThere is no world where losing a minigame should invalidate playing well, getting lane pressure and controlling the pace of the game. Only redditors who play the worst games imaginable would think that is good game design. That is why it is Reddit.
>>580141274you've clearly never had it happen then, someone can feint a heavy melee, immediately dash towards you and follow up with another and it will ALWAYS connect even if you dash jumpand in case you need it spelled out for you, no, you do not have to do a literal 180 away from someone to feint a parry, it's an exaggeration, retard
>>580141092>but throwing a random heavy melee then turning 180 and throwing it away is just freeif they 180 and heavy melee the other direction they are disengaged and cannot melee you again if you just dash 1 time...? retard.
>>580141380there is no world where the melee system will ever be removed from deadlock, go back to league already also, you can skip melee entirely by just kiting them
Everywhere you look nobody actually likes this game. Should valve just cancel it?
>>580141380>i don't like it it's a minigameif that argument is reddit, yours is fucking ebaumsworld
>>580141268>he doesn't know Invoker has the best scaling in DOTA out of any hero and basically becomes a hyper carry that will single handedly win the gameAfter a certain point there is no catching up to him. >>580141092>I am an abused pavlovian dog that is trained to click button when hearing soundYou are part of the problem faggot, parrying takes 0 skill expression.
>>580141312>the penalty is being shot in the head or burst with an ability if they call your bluff.if they dont, you just throw the melee away, if they do, you finish the curve and hit the melee, people hit parry when the sound plays, you still have a good 5/8 second to react to that and decide on your melee, it's inherently imbalanced
>>580141562I'm happy to even defend parrying too, every melee heroe in this game has the option to pivot to pressure extension or spirit items if he just TABS and sees a ton of rebuttals
>>580141432I actually play heroes that take skill and where you have to aim. >>580141449>redditor doesn't deny his game mechanic is peak reddit>ebaumsworldAt least ebaumsworld let's you have freedom to say what you want without some tranny getting triggered over it.
There should be a soul cap so that no one player can pull ahead too far. Having the enemy carry be TWICE the networth of the average on your team is just unplayable and not fun for anyone, least of all the carry who now plays on autopilot with no challenge
>>580062521im tired boss
>>580141634you can skip it altogether by just kiting doe. heavy melee goes around 12m-14m off the top of my head, gun carries and spirit burst heroes can do their thing without ever being forced into it
>>580141562>After a certain point there is no catching up to him.and? what's your point? whoa you let a hero whose purpose is to win the game after an hour win!?!?! that's almost as bad as him getting ahead and statchecking you!! hero is OP there's no counters to him ever and any stage in the game AHHH IF ONLY WE HAD ROLES>erm actually, there's nothing in the game or wiki that gives heroes and exact role name so regardless of their kit and purpose they dont have roles :)
>>580141757fuck off back to ebaums then literal faggot
>>580141406>immediately dash towards youNo they can'tThey are animation locked for longer than you are> it will ALWAYS connect even if you dash jumpStop jumping away and fucking parry them again, there is no time for them to get a heavy melee, only a lightand if them landing a light is such a big issue for you, then fucking buy rebuttal and they immediately die if they ever try it>it's an exaggerationThat's called hyperbole.And you are retarded because they STILL are moving away from you, regardless of the direction, its only an issue if you are quite literally backed into a wall.You can move before they can if you parry and they heavy melee.You understand that after the sound finishes playing there is a 0.6 second delay because they are always going to go the max distance away.And the sound takes 0.4 seconds to playSo even if you react WELL after the sound you will move at the same time, if you react during the sound, you will move BEFORE they can since parry is 0.75 seconds and 0.75 < 1 secondNow you might say 0.1 seconds isn't very big of an advantage.But that means you are retarded.Because if they melee they have all momentum canceled, when you parry, you can do it in the middle of most things.There is nothing stopping you from hearing the sound, dashing away, and clicking parry during your dash and now you are insanely far away from them AND still can move before they can.Now you might ask how you can parry again then?Well parry is a 4.5 second cooldown, from when you start the parry.So if you are trying to suggest they can run at you, and then charge a 1 second melee in 3.75 seconds while you are free to do anything then I know you are retarded.You can get a light melee at most after you do this.And if the person has rebuttal for a lower parry cooldown, you get fucking nothing because its already up.
>>580141953>there is no time for them to get a heavy melee, only a lightdo you even play the game? a missed parry is enough for 2 heavy melees, if you're not dashing away then you're getting a heavy melee to the face retard
>>580141380>CASUALIZE THE GAME RIGHT NOW!! >IT DOESN'T CONFORM TO MY IDEA OF WHAT A MOBA IS>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH THE GAME MECHANICALLY?resetera niggas be like
>>580141864actually, I just checked. heavy melee is 6m. heavy melee with melee charge is 9.5m or so. I'm sorry, but even the shortest range gun mass falloff range is about 14m (billy I think), it's a RPS you don't need to play if you're actually good at positioning
>>5801418484-54-115-67-9on fucking HAZE in Emissaryyou are the problem
>>580142065let's add to that. what if they do DASH JUMP HEAVY MELEE. that goes up to a whopping 25m. however, their ability to whiff the melee in some other direction is drastically nerfed. ground dash to heavy melee to awkward to use.
>>580141953now I read the rest of the post and no you do not play the gamea heavy melee feint can lane literally right next to you, fucking up that parry is a guarantee for their next meleecarrying momentum into a parry is a very niche situation, you are almost always walking when a melee comes out
>>580141848How dare you play a hero that requires aim and gets countered by metal skin don't you know this is le moba you gotta play ability nukers!!!1!>>580141923No matter how hard you try to twist this it makes no sense. You can play the exact same hero but in two completely different ways like spirit or gun victor. Or gun and melee ven. Idk why you want to take one of the best parts of the game and make it some cookie cutter bullshit designed for lobotomy patients. >>580141940Here let me help you this is where (you) belong Reddit.com . You're welcome and never come back. >>580141705Yes we get it you're a bitch who likes to play reactively, not proactively.
>>580142280>Yes we get it you're a bitch who likes to play reactively, not proactively.but doctor...I am the abrams...
>>580142223if you can't react to a dash jump heavy melee, I don't think online gaming is for you, big dawg...
>>580142341I am defending the melee system, not attacking it. I am demonstrating that even in a case where it has a huge range, it has big negatives.
>>580142280>look i replied to everyone!Schizo
>>580142280>spirit or gun victor.they're both drain tanking and being a nigger tank with 2 lives, no matter the build he is a juggernaut>gun and melee venthey're both brawlers with a long range ult/execute but one isn't using his abilities until someone jumps himI don't know what you think a role is but the abilities define the role, not the other way around
>>580142052>a missed parry is enough for 2 heavy meleesno it isn'tits enough for 1 heavy melee or two lightsyou do not have enough time to get 2 heavy melees even if the person fucking stands there mashing FYou understand that heavy melee has a cooldown as well right?After you heavy melee you cannot heavy melee for 1 second if it lands, or 1.3 seconds if you missYou are so retarded you don't even know about the actual bullshit melee things you can do and think melee feints are actually good.If you want to punish people who parry by sound you just buy fucking fleetfoot and beat the shit out of them every time>a heavy melee feint can lane literally right next to youNo it can'tMelee is a sphere around you and a cone in front of you.If you melee anywhere near someone you get parriedParry extends a sphere around you as well that means anyone tagged as being in a melee attack who gets near this gets parried, its why you can stand on top of people and parry melees attacks headed for them and they don't take any damage at all, because the parry extends out beyond your modelFucking retard.
can any of my unlocked heroes be uberbuffed to S tier? tired of playing this game with none of my unlocks being S tier lobby rapists.
>>580142061>Quick time events are not casual, especially when they are based on ping and last too long while also straight up killing you in lane for trying to capitalize on pressure.
>>580142465Yeah and how you build fundamentally changes how you use your kit, You can have a spirit kudzu ivy, support ivy or gun ivy and they all play differently while emphasizing different parts of her kit.
>>580142470it's exactly enough time for 2 heavy melees, you just can't get them out in time because you had to bait the parry and then react to it firstclearly, it's you who does not know the game>right next to you means literally touching youagain, you don't know how to take context anything but exactly literal, you must be an autistic retard1m away and slightly to the side is enough to feint, it happens all the time
>>580141439valve needs to shut the "playtest" down since they don't give a fuck about feedback and they've already said they get their playtesting data elsewhere. the only reason this game exists is for hype. shut it down, actually work on the game and it'll come out sooner
>>580142280>Idk why you want to take one of the best parts of the game and make it some cookie cutter bullshit designed for lobotomy patients.Because he's a league of legends player
>>580142508you are literally begging for a mechanic to be removed from the game because you can't handle interacting with itno cope about how melee is the "real" casual mechanic will change that
>>580142602she's still an off-carry support, no matter how she builds, because not using her support abilities and not using her gun is throwingmokrill going full spirit is still a tank, he just can't tank as well as full green, but he's still tanking better than non-tanks (so everyone)I don't get your obsession with not calling heroes by their very obvious classes/roles
>>580142712Better yet, stop listening to unemployed streamer nobodies who will not even be remembered when the game has real money on the line. Let everyone play on the test server playing the dice roll of who gets warden celest every game is retarded.
Why did they remove the ability to change a region? I keep getting Russians in my games and I want OUT
>>580142828Yeah because the mechanic is fundamentally broken one person is holding a button down after getting raped in lane and changes the whole lane dynamic>>580142846>ivy is le off carry>gun ivy in dlns is played as pos 1 are you retarded?
>>580143093kite themdo you know what kite means? you shoot them in the head while they try to get out of position to slap your ass
>>580142712Genuinely if valve isnt paying testers they're getting shit advice guaranteed. They need to pay people that dont no-life the game to make honest suggestions cause streamers are some of the dumbest faggots ever. Movement is op but no high level player will admit it cause they already know all the bullshit
>>580142696>it's exactly enough time for 2 heavy melees>just can't get them out in timeRetard>1m away and slightly to the side is enough to feintThe sphere is 3m>it happens all the timeWhat you are suggesting is literally impossible>context anything but exactly literalNo, that's you projecting.You seem to think 6m is "right next to them", which is you being an autistic spastic because no one considers that right next to someone and you are trying to stretch definitions.If you not argument beyond "no you are wrong"then I accept your concession
so now that valve has officially announced end of development for deadlock do you really think they will go back to there old games? Like fix up artifact/underlords/tf2 ect or just keep pumping out updates for CS2 and dota 2? Along with the next half-life
>>580143136Yeah bro just shoot them doesn't work when they turtle under tower and when you get a good line of site on them they do movement autism to get out of it. TTK is too high so you have to fist themto actually captialize on a lead, its boring as fuck where they just get to sit under tower for free.
>>580143093if getting hit by one heavy melee is lane-losing you weren't "raping it" in the first placeliterally git gud retard
>>580143232but you are wrong, I have literal first hand experience with abrams players being niggers and curving their melees and feinting literally right next to me and my parry whiffsfuck you
>>580143287artifact 2
>>580143319>hit by one heavy meleeIdk if you can't read or are brown but I have been saying its impossible to hit heavy melees because parry is way too easy to pull of.
>>580143306so you're muscling them out of lane so you can take the objective...yea that's still a good thing
>>580143093you should really stop using no-name tranny in-groups as examples of hero balance, it really kills the validity of anything you have to saynot to mention you out yourself as an e-celeb worshipping fag, who again, by participating in streams and supporting the aforementioned trannies, is contributing to them ruining the game
>>580142218are you meaning to imply that haze is good right now?
>>580143360ricochet 2
Join the burger boxBuy rebuttal and build meleeDoesn't matter if it's good on your characterHave fun
Honestly fuck this game all this development time and talent could've better been spent making an actual good game like Half Life 3.
>>580143631>talentif deadlock, and the current state of CS and TF2 is anything to go by, I'd rather not have HL3 than have that "talent" making it
>>580143427lmao sick projection but yeah for people whose first language is english, we use the word "press" to refer to a key that does not require a hold input. which parry does not, if you did not know. conversely, heavy melee does require a held inputanyways, then what the fuck are you talking about. why are you trying to raw heavy melee in a lane you're raping. are you retarded? just don't press Q against the opponents who you will kill anyways. they have to take the risks, not you. these fucking stoners dude
>bashdown and ground strike silence you if you get pulled down by them>this isn't listed anywherethank you yoshi
>>580143713yeah people don't realize this is the golden age of deadlock and once it becomes public it will become absolutely filled with cheaters and valve will never ban themthis is as good as deadlock will ever be
>>580143429Take objective, just hit minions all game and play farm simulator, never try to capitalize or engage in the actual fun part of the moba the pvp. Boring ahh way to play the game ngl>>580143475Okay so how should I measure how heroes are played? Spectating bricklow games? I can disagree with Vegas bitching about Silver while also understanding that high elo is the best way to learn how to play heroes. You can understand that right?
>>580143926you get to the pvp mid game faster killing towers retardbro
I had some dude in low prio that would go AFK in spawn and not get any penalties by holding W in spawnwould +forward work for that or would I need to physically hold Wdo either of those even work?
>>580143713Honestly I am surprised there hasn't been an autist yet who read Laidlaw's original script for HL3 then just tried to vibecode HL3. ChatGPT 6 can make full blown games now.
>>580143926no, I can't, I have a brain, I think for myself, I do not watch streamers or youtubers for videogames at all, you are a lesser person for doing so and it's made even worse when you appeal to them as though they are right and as though their opinion is gospel but also it's "your' opinion
>>580143991>calls others retard>unironically thinks, dead tower means lane stage is over.
>>580143994You should get a life maybe
>>580144062You sound like one of those elo terrorists who unironically thinks gun rem is good.
>>580144123why yes, all four players will just stay in the same lane that just ended, no way will they hit another lane using the railways all across the map, retardbro
>>580143335>but you are wrongnot an argument>I have literal first hand experiencenot an argument and goes against the very obvious basic maths, let alone if you account for reaction times, any distance in a no perfect world, and the person not being able to make tick perfect setups where they can't see the ranges with ambiguous timed melees that they get giga punished if they fuck up and do too early, which is what you are suggestingHow about you learn to press the F key when you are going to get meleed? You can see your parry cooldown, so its solely your fault.I accept your concession
>>580144229>wtf he doesn't like my favorite eceleb trannies he must be a drooling retardalso no, rem (and paige) have been game warping broken do-everything heroes whose unnecessarily high gun damage are the weakest parts of their kits but still need massive nerfs across the board
what's the ethos behind early game roaming/rotating/ganking (if you're a hero built for that)the risk of leaving your lanemate alone and inviting a 2v1 push for a middling-reward early kill feels really tough to gauge, sure it's easy to look at the top and go "oh hey their vindicta is low in the next lane over" or "hm blue lane needs some help" but when is it worth leaving my lane to actually go help secure that
>>580144479depends on the hero and their pilot, some can stall effectively and camp solo indefinitely if they aren't stupid (ginnis)
>>580144386my parry is on mouse 4 thoughever, I don't know how anyone could move and parry simultaneously in any reasonable amount of time otherwise
>>580129890And nothing of value was lost.
>>580144479+8 spirit power is definitely worth my lane partner dying (and also me 2 seconds later)
>>580131818>the Japanesepedobait girlswhy else would the make dva 2
>>580144479ideally you leave while they are not able to punish your laner and you have trophy collector. A quick tp to the opposite side then tping back can get you a kill in one lane then two kills in your original when they realize youre not there but you've tped back. It's a very risky thing to do though because youre likely going to miss at least one wave or more and if your gank fails now you've wasted your lead gained in lane
>>580144568My melee is on forward page mouse button and voice chat on back pageidk how anyone could ever melee by pressing qThat should make it easier not harder, so what is your point?
>>580144942that you're wrong and I'm right, in fact I'm going to queue abrams in standard and start throwing melees right next to my opponents to prove you wrongno I will not post clips
>join ranked game>matchmaking gives us Lash for team CC>right before pre-game ends he swaps to Haze>have one of the worst fucking games of my entire life
>>580145115haze players eat crayons before playing
>>580144856>while they are not able to punish your lanerwhat's the criteria here? lane partner is healthy, we have wave prio? any notable "do NOT let this guy anchor" or "do NOT gank if you're laning against this guy" heroes?
>>580145095>noooooo!!!!>i'm not allowed to be wrong!!!!!I accept your concession
>3-0 todayLets queue another and make it 4-0!Surely I will not go 3-1 like every other time I do this!
>>580145642Honestly I just gank every time but definitely you need wave prio and usually the guardian down to make a risk-free gank
the end of dlg
>>580145642I probably wouldnt leave a lane a victor is your enemy, just keep bullying that guy. Bebop should roam constantly. Apollo should roam whenever he has ult. Calico should roam constantly. If you have trophy collector definitely gank more than not.
>>580145234im on a 8 game losing streak on haze how do i fucking play this char
why is apollo so bad
>>580146668I'd say he's good but it's true slowing hex can make him feel shit
>>580146668>explodes and flies backwards>does it again>does a 180 and presses pointy move>does it 2 more times>this is before spending any stamina or consciously using regular movement>bad hero btw
>>580146668hes a gay nigga
>>580146668he does 190 from one ability at minute 0, what do you mean he's bad
>>580144479Depends on how early. At the start of the game, a trooper wave is worth exponentially worth more since you are so poor (doubling your total net worth is more valuable than increasing it by 5%).Some good timers for roaming is>when you hit your ult power spike>5 min mark when you can grab the rune>8 min to steal sinners (guarantees some value out of the roam)>10 mins because the guardian has lost its defensive bonuses (easier to push, no point on defending anymore)
>>580146668apollo is one of the few spirit heavy heroes who dish out so much damage he's still relevant late game despite what downplayers insist
>>580147043Most spirit characters are relevant late, what am I reading
>be me>queue up for a ranked deadlock match>my team is awful and gets destroyed>check the worst player in my team>41% winrate>check rank history>they actually climbed from emissary 5 to emissary 6deadlock bros this system has got to be the shittiest fucking ranked system to ever graze this earth
>>580146459do ABL's build (but grab fixation T2 before dagger T3)T3 dagger then capacitor are your big power spikes
>>580147307BUT HE SAID THE BAD WORD
>>580131571the game was very close to dying but it was saved because people keep the le sserafim skins, that's why there's so many kiriko skins she basically saved the game
>>580147421crazy how literally one of if not the best players of the game gets ostracized for calling out probably the most cancerous individual in the creator sphere
>>580147421i think even if you care about a european blasting Ns it's not really a compelling reason to not use a good build
>>580147604I like the part where we larp that someone dumb enough to get themselves perma'd in the most predictable way possible is somehow intelligent enough to be the "best player"
>>580147043he's relevant now due to the spirit burn change and free infuserhe WAS pretty bad late game before they changed him
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