Disco editionPrevious thread: >>580137183>Latest News/UpdatesDarktide:Patch 1.12.5 - Patch Noteshttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-12-5-patch-notes/124954Kuli's guides for beginners:https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210Vermintide 2:The Feast of Grimnir returns! Patch 6.12.0 patch noteshttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-feast-of-grimnir-returns-patch-6-12-0-patch-notes/125081>Acknowledged but barely discussed :Left4DeadDeep Rock GalacticKilling FloorPaydayEarth Defense ForceWWZThe Outlast TrialsBarotraumaNo More Room in Hell 2Aliens: Fireteam Elite 2 and others>Future gamesDen Of Wolves - TBADarkSwarm - TBABlight: Survival - TBADeep Dish Dungeon - TBA>Build planners:Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
>hurr durr inferno staff will get nerfedIt will not.What fatshark thinks: >inferno staff too weak in malice>dots too strong in havocWhat they will do>buff direct damage again and nerf soulblazeWhat this will achieve>inferno staff stays broken, every other psyker build gets nerfedHow I know this will happen>they did the same shit with bleed dot after Arbittes release
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
Just raise the peril cost of inferno staff shots
the ratjeet will never leavehe wonned
What the fuck is a Tanner? From High school?
My solution to the flame staff? Make it interact with hitmass to limit it's cleave but also decrease hitmass by a % per stack of soulblaze on the target.
>>580391704>>580391756Should be banned.
Oh sorry that I wanted to upgrade MY weapon with MY cash. I thought this was Atoma.
>>580393698no it's the Mourningstar
My solution to flame staff?Remove hitmass fuckery from havoc and allow other weapons to be just as good in havocs as they are in aurics.Fatcunts artifically manufactured this problem, the fix is simple.
True Grit?More like True Shit!
https://www.exophase.com/game/1142770-steam/achievements/TWW is getting a "definitive edition" with a remaster of all campaigns from all 3 games, all dlcs included, and possibly more judging by the new achievements.Is this why Fatshark is being so lousy with Vermintide?Would not be surprised they delayed the weapon pack and the new maps to deal with this, as the U5 are in TWW.
>>580394064It wouldn't make those other weapons any better honestly.Autoguns suck dicks because they basically fuck all damage. Also the cleave limit only matters when it comes to horde clear, which is objectively the worst thing you can use your ranged weapon on since you should be meleeing all hordes.
>>580394790My god you're so fuckign retarded
>>580395235Are you unaware of how game publishers deal with each other?Do you seriously think it's a coincidence that most updates for most games all fall on the same date, consistently over and over again?
>>580395358you're double retarded if you think a small, badly done easter egg will change anything. I refuse to believe mongols like you are allowed to vote.
Bodied that freak
>>580394913Melee weapons suffer from the same problem and flame staff competes with them actually.
Any rot news?
>>580398481Henry Cavil has a hero easter egg in total war wahammer 3 so they're delaying the darktide patch until he releases his 40k show
>>580398481Stinky hive City full of stinky hive cultists on a stinky chaos infested planet is stinking up the sector so bad it attracted nurgle stink demons from the stinking fringe worlds so now we got stinking computer people to help the stinkquisition unfuck the stinksuation Probably gonna get a brap wizard this winter in all honesty
Heavy Hitter viable in havoc? I know it gives more damage but you feel so squishy without FNP.
Heavy Hitler
>>580403517lmao that fat nazi bitch
>>580396568Ok I see, you are the resident ratjeet evading yet another ban.Alright, have fun samefagging for the next 20 hours.
>>580403775>say the most retarded thing in this thread(yet)>gets called a retard>"REEEEE PAJEET! PAJEET! IT'S PAJEET!"kek
>>580403517Mein Führer, maybe lay off the schnitzels...
yep, it's himsame posting pattern
Either it is the headache or shitposting or both, but I'm starting to understand why Darktide deserves its own containment general.
>>580404231Dude it's so comfy here compared to my home general, you wouldn't last a day on Armageddon.
>splitfaggingyeeeeeeeepthe ratjeet has awoken
ratjeet killed this general, how can you win against someone capable of shitposting during 19 hours every day?
>>580394790>I would not be surprised if Fatshark devs were delayed by a cameo in another game at a studio they don't work atholy fuck people will really bend over backwards to make it anyones but Fatsharks fault
>>580407263NTA but TWW is having its "End Times" DLC saga, and ratclick is canonically set in it, but in a weird alternative version where the events from the book are happening very late or out of orderI would not be surprised if GW told them both to retcon that shitshow of a novel, and actually gave them plenty of specifics Thats my educated guess, geedubs is ultra anal about the fluff and stuff must happen exactly their own way
>>580408463Brother Fatshark is not in charge of any of that shit, they just make vermintide and darktide
>>580368664I knew I wasn't crazy, this general had a valheim server for ashlands updatehttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/478216627/#q478224874>>580372345>It's been eclipsed several times over by other, superior games in the genrename one.
is No More Room In Hell 2 good?
>>580410397Yeah "brother", but it doesn't change the fact that they are the mercy of geedubs for everythingIt's why both DoW4 and TWW40K are set in the Armageddon sector, and why we have consistent Cadia and Armageddon references in DarktideThe Indomitus Era is their new flagship box-selling content for 40KLikewise TOW became the standard for both Vermintide and TWWYou weren't here when Fatshark complained about geedubs being retarded faggots with the new Warrior Priest class and its arsenal, right?
>>580411318Weird how no other warhammer game just stops updating for 1year+ but when Fatshark does it it's clearly because of GW Yes they have limitations but them not doing anything is just laziness and dogshit management in Fatshark periodKill yourself you retarded nigger
>>580411518I have never said that you fucking nigger apeI just pointed out how draconian geedubs can be with their licensesNobody sane in their mind would ever defend FatsharkKill yourself first you waste of fucking oxygen
>>580411895Maybe try following the conversation next time, how about that lil guy?
>>580411318Dawn of war 4 is in the Lithesh sector.
>>580412680Unsanctioned psyker activity! Blast him!
Hellooo /coopg/ I'd like to order a GOOD post, for once HEEEEhehehehehe Hmmmm... yes....
>>580413220You must have skimmed the thread and missed my posts...
Give ogryn 100 base toughness.
>>580412680nnnnnNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>580410749Yes. Purchase the videogame at your prefered major digital platform or key reseller.
It's wild how underpowered Zealot is.I've played Scum and Psyker and aside from the occasional occurrence of dying instantly because 8 shotgunners target me at once, they make the game so much easier.I've just made an Ogryn and again, it's so fucking easy. Darktide is an easy game, it's just that I've been playing Zealot for 50 hours.
What is (You)r favorite non-fatshark coop game? Gunfire reborn? Far far west? Drg? Rogue core(lol)?
>>580419581Why not play /coopg/ approved games with the rest of the thread?
>>580419581I feel like you could use the money.
>>580415156Punishment used to do like 300% impact strength + on top of giving you Uninterruptible.Also ogryn's No Pushover isn't as OP as you'd think, yes helps with creating space but it only triggers every 8 seconds. And that 8 seconds is plenty of time for you or your team mates to eat shit if you aren't careful.Zealot is underpowered but the big reason why it is underpowered now is because the class used to heavily rely on CDR stacking and spamming their abilities.As a whole it was plain retarded that zealot ever had 3 differen't CDR nodes that weren't mutually exclusive with one another. What the new tree is how it should've been since october 2023.
>>580419581the real ratjeet would never announce themselvesFRAUD
>>580419294DRG is fun, I'd play more of it but fucking hell the "Multiplayer Session Ended" error is cancer.It didn't even use to be this way for me and only started when I updated the game around March/April.
>>580419294Right now it's NMRIH2, but I did play a good bit of Gunfire Reborn a few years ago. Killing Floor 1/2 are probably the all-time winners for me though. I used to love those games. Wish I could still get my friends on either of them.
>>580420675lets be real here, it was only stealth kniggers, chorus is good but it doesnt help you win, just delay a problem, and fotf isnt that big of a deal
>>580422845Chorus isn't just a delay tactic, anon. It's an enabler that creates big openings and makes it safe for your teammates to take a variety of actions, including more risky offensive ones. Its offensive use is deceptively good, but the caveat is that your teammates need to not be retarded. Stacking CDR for Chorus was absurdly strong in Havoc 40.FOTF was effectively a permanent +20% attack speed buff that was regularly giving you a bunch of toughness and staggering everything around you that was smaller than an Ogryn while giving you some breakpoints to boot, which depending on the weapon, gave you the same breakpoints (outside of bosses) as stealth without fucking your team over by dropping aggro.Please don't comment "knowledgeably" on the class if you didn't actually play it.
>>580422845>chorus is good but it doesnt help you win, just delay a problem>dust off my trusty Zealot, untouched since the first skill tree rework>decide I'll give the fabled chorus/BOOK a chance>quick and dirty Auric>OH FUCK A MONSTROSITY?! Stunlock him into a corner, but takes a concerning amount of time to die with psygger, skittles and vet in the team.>welp it happens, maybe they were busy with random elites>get to the designated gunner room>run at them holding the cross>works like a fucking charm>chorus ends>no gunners dead>team is still taking cover from them>get raped by gunnershahah...
Are shotguns viable in Darktide? I've tried combat shotgun on heresy and wasn't impressed but the build might've sucked
>>580423549Viable, yes. They aren't the best (Arby shotguns aside), but they can still be okay in Auric with a good setup. If you really wanna shotgunmancer it up and you have the DLC, use the Arby shotguns.
COMIN'IN HOT!
>>580423549Secret chinese meta from HK servers arby skittari psyker fire shotgun be careful found in antarctic datacenter
>>580423549When I got bored of plasma weapons specialist vet I ran him with double barrel for a bit. It sucked ass.
>>580423270>Stacking CDR for Chorus was absurdly strong in Havoc 40.wrong, you were never able to do that, havoc didnt get released until dec, cdr talents were made mutually exclusive in septyou are the unplayer
>>580423549Arbites shotguns are both really goodthe only good combat shotgun is the one with a single ranged shot
>>580423345Get on your Mic and scream "I'M GOING IN!" and then spam ping the ground and enemies so maybe something in your team's brains clicks.
>Teammate complains at you(rest of team) in chat>He's in the middle of fighting things>He's avoiding all damage>He doesn't have chatblockHow to I master this technique?
>>580423549maybe if youre doing weapon specialist stuff and you can load a huge chuck of your mag instantly, because loading a single shell at a time is ass and makes you question what the fuck are you doing when you can just use a bolter or iag and get similar results without having to spend an eternity with your dick in your hand
>>580424684The old tree was still around when Havoc came out, and I remember getting a ton of Choruses in quick succession. If that was solely through the health loss talent, then fine I made a mistake, but the old tree still had absurd CDR potential for Chorus spamming, which was my point.
>>580425165Ol' grippy. Always reliable.
>>580425791I love this pic so much
>>580425936you are objectively wrong, because you dont play the gameand i never said it was bad, i said its good but requires your team to do something because it only delays the problem, a good team doesnt need a delay on a problem, a bad team wont deal with the problem, which makes it win more talent
>>580427367You're retarded. Everything I said was basically correct, even if the number of talents needed to spam Chorus didn't involve stacking (which makes Zealot's old CDR even more broken, which was the initial discussion point). You saying it's merely a delay tactic and doesn't help people win is objectively fucking wrong, demonstrably so by virtue of the fact that it was such an amazing pick for Havoc 40. You wanted to hone in on the, "actually, you didn't play the game because you couldn't stack CDR talents at any point in Havoc," as some sort of gotcha moment because everything else I said is entirely correct. Now you're doubling back and pretending that simply saying something is "good" in any way changes the fact that you're wrong about its use. You've yet to address any major thing I actually said. And I never said that you said Chorus was bad; I said it wasn't a delay tactic. You can't even address that correctly. Dumb cunt who didn't play Zealot enough to know what he's even talking about.
>>580410526Im looking very boney in that picture.
>>580427865i dont need to prove else anything else because youre the unplayer, you sit just around and parrot other peoples points because you have low izzat
Voidblast + soulblaze + pox gas modifier = every action is delayed by half a second, impossible to push bursters on time, audio doesn't work fucking EVERlmao, it lags so much, I thought it was a good non-shitter build, not an ultimate griefing setup. I wonder if my teammates also get hit by lag, I suppose they should.
>>580423549>Combat ShotgunsMediocre>Arby ShotgunGood>Double BarrelGarbage on Zealot and Psyker. Decent with very specific Veteran and Scummer builds.>KickbackGood. Quick draw speed, decently quick reload speed, and whatever it doesn't kill will be knocked on their ass due to high stagger.>Ripper ShotgunOnly fun/useful in PBB+Lucky Bullet build. Otherwise just use Kickback.
>>580427367>you are objectively wrongHe isn't.We got the 1st skilltrees in October 2023, and this is where Zealot gained 3 whole CDR nodes that were not mutually exclusive with one another. Aka you could take all 3 if you wanted to for completely absurd levels of CDR.Havoc as a gamemode launched only about year later in 2024 December Grim Protocols update.We only got the new skilltrees for veteran, psyker and zealot, which made the CDR nodes exclusive, ie. you can choose 1 of them, in Bound by Duty which was released in 2025 september.So no, you are the one who is objectively wrong.
>>580427865It's obvious that you're talking to a shitposter. He is too obvious.
>>580429759>>580427865You are literally just talking to ratjeet or some other shitposting/trolling faggot. You could post picture proof and he would accuse you of doctoring it.
>extended weapon customizationIs it really ok to use these mods? Since I customized my weapons they are all kinda buggy in the menu screen. The weapon is 500 power in one screen then back to 400 in another.Are they onto me?
>>580428165this should be better
>>580429382Ripper gun works alright as a brittleness stick on melee builds. Can Opener is the fastest way to max out brittleness stacks on a single target in the entire game, and lets you skip taking another source of brittleness like a blessing on your melee weapon. The special attack stab also counts as a heavy attack and procs talents like Batter and Beat Them Back.
>>580403045>Heavy Hitter viable in havoc?All three of ogryn's keystones are weirdly viable, but FNP isn't good for the obvious reason you might think it's good. The main thing that makes FNP work are (predominantly) ranged builds that don't need BLO. You can deal upwards of two million damage with the GG through brittleness + burn, assuming you get to take most of the ammo. FNP also further enables the melee side of things, if you aren't expected to deal damage. Think: Pickaxe brittleness blessing + Brutish Strength builds. You can play brittleness bot and leave all the damage to the rest of your team. Also obviously works with Skullcrusher, but is much slower to apply brittleness and may run out of stamina regularly.I'd rank ogryn's keystones in h40 as roughly BLO > FNP = HH, but keep in mind that this is as a teammate, not as an ogryn player myself. I like to have an ogryn in every team, and honestly, keystone is the last thing I bother to check. If anything, shit like not taking Stay Close! is a bigger red flag with how fucking powerful that aura is, and anyone that paths to the node above and below it, should always take it regardless of build.>>580430714>>extended weapon customization>Is it really ok to use these mods?Darktide is extremely server authoritative, meaning that anything that might be buggy or malformed, SHOULD get picked up by the server and silently rejected. At most you'll get kicked. There's nothing to worry about with buggy inventory management mods.It's not okay to use extended weapon customization though because it's a completely terrible, buggy, memory leaking mess written by a retarded stoner for his circlejerk trooncord. Only use it if you want your game to start consistently crashing after playing 2-3 matches.
>>580429382>>Combat Shotguns>MediocreThe slug combat shotgun is basically a sidegrade to the bolt pistol. You trade the bistol's excellent boss damage, for being able to reload while sliding, and not caring about suppression as much. Its utility depends on how much you need your gun to deal with bosses.Although it depends somewhat on whether you acknowledge that the explosive mark is the superior choice for melee builds. The explosion does fucking nasty suppression and rather good stagger, so you can just pull it out and fire a round or two at a trapped teammate to buy them space and prevent a down while you run over there, and fire only a handful of rounds into gunner nests to suppress them without worry. Lethal Proximity is also obviously one of those indispensable blessings that has no competition, so if your build wants to use it, you only have the choice of bistol.Rendingmaxxed veteran can 2-shot crushers with the slug shotgun, and it's probably the highest sustained boss DPS weapon on the class with pissvision, but you need to know how to weapon swap tech to animation cancel the reload. It's ironically one of the best sniping weapons in the game, retarded as that may sound.Arbitrator can make weirdly good use of it and the spreadshot mark, though I'd generally consider both to be inferior to the exaction shotguns, for their ability to turn small ammo pickups into +6 ammo due to refilling the special shells.I have yet to see psyker perform any weird tech with the combat shotgun.Should be theoretically good on scum for triggering Calling for a Time Out by reloading singular shells, but that's kinda gimmicky. Not that it matters overly much, it's still a strong sniping gun for if you don't like the AIDSgun.
>>580432053>the explosive markOf the bolt pistol, specifically.Reading it back, that sentence didn't make sense out of context. My bad.
>>580432053The combat shotgun's slow reloads are a lot less annoying on scum if you're using Desperado since you get a free reload on ult.
>>580432890The reload dynamics have good synergy with Desperado, but I would say that Desperado doesn't have great synergy with the combat shotgun. I think it's only a good weapon to focus a ranged build on if you're vet.Also the "slow reloads" don't matter to melee builds at all, because they should usually only empty the mag into gunner nests or mutant trains, and then reload single shells during slides. It's a bit APM intensive but generally one of the greater strengths of shotguns in general, including arbitrator's. Most of the time you only fire a single special shell to kill a sniper/bomber/trapper and then immediately reload a new one before putting it away. Actually firing the buckshot is usually a bad idea.
Why is slayer so difficult to playI'm so fast and I need to click for every hit, I'm really stressed out when playing. Especially when you activate your skill.
>>580433159>>580432053that a lot of rigamarole to get the weapon to work when you can use literally anything else, and not have to do that
>>580434341What weapons are you running? Because I've found that I like two-handed weapons better as slayer. The short reach of one-handed weapons is really annoying, even if especially the twin axes are otherwise really fun.
>>580423549some are goodsome are meharbites has the best shotgun, followed by ogryn
>>580419294Pretty much >>580422761 but instead of Gunfire Reborn it was Transformice for me, if that counts as coop.
>>580434850>lowercasenigger clearly didn't read the postRatjeet
>>580434850Wait until you hear about double barrel bleed vet.
>>580436781That's kinda dead now though, after the Untranny Strike nerf. The damage loss is pretty big.
>>580435661I ran twin axes. Maybe I should try two handed
>>580436781infinitely more usable for vet because, you know, load your entire mag at once
after being stuck at around havoc 33 assignment forever I decided to spam request havoc 40 lobbies to see how hard it is. It turns out that it's easy as fuck because everyone is playing meta faggotry and there is a rumbler ogryn and flame psyker every game that actually know how to play the game that kill entire wavs of buffed elites in two seconds
>>580439531>havoc 40 players play good builds in good lineups>havoc 30 stuckies are stuck there because they don't know and/or can't play good builds and they constantly construct retarded lineupsWho could've guessed??
This thing is fucking retarded strong. Holy shit. I can't believe it took me this long to use it I cheated all my weapon XP. Actually absurd weapon. I hope it doesn't get nerfed too badly though since it is very nice having to not worry so much about ammo and constantly use the autopistol
>>580425791>Free teammate from net>Low on hp, one wound>Stands idly for a second>Is probably looking at his command wheel>Thank you!>Dies
>>580440347what gamualienclick?
>>580443461Yeah Alienclick 2
>>580443525how similar is it to poxclick, can you slide and fire, do you have to dodge every 2 seconds, are there specials/elites/bosses?seen it mentioned a lot here, got me interested
>>580445089It's mostly take and hold action. Move up, trigger the spawn for the area, move to the right place to hold, open fire, Limited dodge capability, so can't just spam them. Game throws big hp monsters to force you out of position, plus big acid pools from some enemies. You can build to be quite overpowered but that's balanced by friendly fire being enabled on higher difficulties.
>>580446786>made with mematic
>>580446786Great art>>580439787I always wondered what was up with this cat
>>580445089Other anon described it pretty well. It's similar in that you have a map to progress through (unless you're playing horde mode, which is one of three maps where you hold a static position for x waves) and enemy spawns to deal with, but it ends up feeling pretty different. I enjoy it, but it might be best to wait for a sale if you can get a couple friends into it (if not, then it's your call since who knows how long matchmaking will live. The first game ended up with almost nobody looking for groups).
*fart* NIGGERS! :D
the lex....
IS THE BESXT
let this general die
>>580386719It's true in a sense that power axe was developed and leaked. It's not true that it will be released in the autumn update.The only appropriate class to receive these would be Skitarii, and it doesn't make sense to release a new weapon for a class that came out 3 months ago. You could argue that zealot could get it too, since technically zealot could use literally anything. Meanwhile there are no other weapons in the files that could be added for other classes, which means there is no chance it will be a weapons pack update.It has to be a weapon that was developed for a new class. Fatshark is stupid but probably not enough to give a power axe to sisters, or any other class that will come later. So my guess would be it was developed for Skitarius but was scrapped because they didn't make it in time and/or decided they had enough weapons and dumb players should not have so many choices.They could take time to finish it and art to skitarius, but they are not that smart. Plus there are models for 2 marks and none of skitarii exclusive weapons have marks, it was probably scrapped before they even gave up on marks.
>>580439531In EU region you get declined if you apply to havoc 40 without true survivor and on the off chance you get accepted it's a host that accepts literally everyone so you will be stuck with shitters but in h40 instead of whatever assignment you had
>>580455920>In EU region you get declined if you apply to havoc 40 without true survivorTrue and correct. Unfortunately EU is so massively overpopulated with the shitterest of shittertards you can possibly imagine, many of which even have True Survivor somehow. Those WITHOUT it are orders of magnitude worse, because there's usually a very good reason they don't have it yet after all this time. Even if EU somehow spawns the best top 0.001% players across all regions, it's also probably the worst of the three actually populated regions to play pubs in. You get the worst of>overconfident slavgroids who think team synergy = carried = gay>retards who conflate individualism with contrarianism and bring uniquely useless builds in their never-ending endeavor to be as unique(ly useless) as possible>crippling ESL language barriers making communication borderline impossibleIt feels like most EU players play in the most selfish way possible and only care about their own game, not realizing that actually playing as a team yields much more reliable wins. Not that they're actively griefing or anything, and I do believe they are trying their hardest, but EU seems to place an unrealistic emphasis on individual mechanical mastery when, in reality, most of havoc is a knowledge + team composition + build check where actual gameplay execution beyond basic sliding and pushing, isn't THAT important. Especially when a team comp is built around being easy.>inb4 whinging about le metaThe thing is, EU seems to be trying their goddamn hardest to win, and yet, is too retarded to even arrive at "le meta". The EU ogryn population is borderline non-existent. HK has one in every party. Even NA plays plenty of ogryn.>inb4 but it's le boringThat's not the point I'm making.
WILL SOMEBODY FUCKING PLAY WEAVE
It's that time of the day where we pretend we ever play on overseas servers even though we don't because obviously 200ms is unplayable, but we pretend anyway so we can make epic callout posts
>>580458327I'm in EU and I play most of my h40 on HK nowadays. It's true that some weapons aren't playable, and that some builds are incredibly hard to pull off, but it's far from unplayable. Latency doesn't matter to shit like ogryn, crusher spam, a handful of arbitrator builds, and psyker to a lesser extent.Conversely, I've struggled pretty hard playing melee skit even on NA ping, rubber banding around and everything.
>>580458528nice larp chinks autoreject names without runes in them
>>580458327mf is playing from the Rapture, he has 40 ping to NA and EU bothand a boreline through the planet for that exclusive HK 60 ping erverussy
>>580458327>>580458528I should add, it's pretty damning when having 250+ latency is somehow less of a problem than having to play with slavgroids.>>580458617I get the impression that some definitely do, but I've never had trouble actually finding a group. If I get declined from all the 40 lobbies I just host my own, and it fills up relatively quick because I don't have to decline some 85% of applicants for bringing retarded builds like EU does.
>>580458327How bout i give you 200 ms (mouth shits) right now?
That sewed his ass shut
its over.
>>580458103>The EU ogryn population is borderline non-existentHow often do you host in EU?What I observe (as someone who switched to ogryn because I can't carry hard enough on other classes) is that ogryns are constantly getting rejected in EU. PBB is virtually banned unless it's a half-premade with useless shit like twin stubber ogryn, and even fnp/hh taunt ogryn will get rejected 3 out of 4 times. I see retards take zealots, arbites, skitarii and meme psykers over ogryns all the time, only for that host to appear in party finder again after 10 minutes.I hopped from psyker to veteran because I could never find a veteran, then from veteran to ogryn because veteran is way too fucking hard, and now I am back to psyker because nobody fucking takes ogryn on EU, ever.
>>580461069>How often do you host in EU?If I'm playing EU, I exclusively host, because other hosts cannot physically be trusted, as they always accept some retard shit. Lmao you literally said it later in the same post:>I see retards take zealots, arbites, skitarii and meme psykers over ogryns all the time, only for that host to appear in party finder again after 10 minutes.Yep.>I could never find a veteranYep.>veteran is way too fucking hardYep. You don't get a bodyguard because team play = carried = gay.I suggest you play NA-E if you can't handle too high ping, or HK if it doesn't bother you too much. EU is a fucking cesspool. NA isn't amazing either but at least people fucking communicate, and games can be quite fun when 2-3 people in the group use their mic. I've had the most fun on NA, and the most consistently good game quality on HK servers.
all the lore talk last thread makes me wish a chaos champion would make an appearance even if only briefly
>>580461431I am a slavgroid myself and I am the only one communicating in my games, albeit rarely, if we don't count consolegroids with open mic. I'd rather not, though.
>>580461671ive always said they should made a chaos tide, where you play as chaos and you get to do cool things and beat up regular people because youre juiced on up chaos
You know, we always complain about Fartshart, rightfully so, but it got me wondering: What dev would you give Darktide to instead? Honestly in current year, I can't think of any developer off the top of my head that'd I'd trust to do any better with it.
Newfag here.I've got around 350 Hours now. I've mostly stuck to doing Auric/Auric Maelstrom since I wanted to do all my character penances, and still consider myself a newbie, tho I can easily get through maelstrom without taking damage and helping my team even if they're veteran solofag shitters. (Skiitari mediskull is nice for that). I'm going to start hopping into Havoc and have already done a couple games (It's pretty easy but I assume it gets harder.) Any tips on not being a selfish retard and is it best to play on NA or HK Servers as a 'newbie'?
>>580464493miHoYo
>>580464783Disgusting choice. Giving the game to Chinks who first and foremost develop games for mobile platform, you can expect game depth is dumbing down to even more drooling retards and muh children demographic. Imagine having to play coop cross platform with mobile players, no thanks.
>>580465394>Disgusting choiceThat's why i chosed it
>>580464493>What dev would you give Darktide to instead?Unironically Valve. They at least pretend to try and balance their games, and aren't afraid of releasing many short-lived minor balance patches, or making radical changes. Darktide needs both.>>580464504>I'm going to start hopping into Havoc and have already done a couple games (It's pretty easy but I assume it gets harder.)<20 is the tutorial, I think it's 24 or 25 where you actually have to start trying, and by 30+ I believe it's almost impossible to solo most missions, or at least orders of magnitude higher to pull it off. 35+ players actually start trying, and at 40 havoc horseshoes back around to being easy because that's where all the competent players live. The 20-30 trench is supposedly the hardest, and I believe it, because only complete sub-humans get stuck there.>Any tips on not being a selfish retardActually take skills that benefit your team, and take the good ones. This will vary from class to class. Dog arbitrators without Canine Morale for example are fucking giga retards. BP zealots without +10% crit aura should get lynched, same for zealots that skip Purity aura, as even small amounts of corruption chip sets your squishies up for being one-tapped by a burster.You should probably still play something generalist-ish during your climb up to 30, because <30 stuckies are fucking dogshit players. LW shock mine arbitrator really shines in the trench, even if it's sub-par otherwise.>is it best to play on NA or HK Servers as a 'newbie'?I have no clue what the trench looks like on either server, but I'd wager NA is going to be a better experience because you can actually communicate with them. I fear that HK stuckies may actually be worse than other regions, because they very likely know the meta through osmosis, so they're stuck due to being impossibly bad, unlike other regions, who are stuck because they can't pass basic knowledge checks. But I'm guessing here.
>>580465763I can give some props to Chinks, they are pretty good at making detail description for abilities in general if you put some effort reading them properly. It isn't hard or anything, just identifying key mechanic or buff, not learning all names given in the description. High quality servers at least imo, good stable connection and no such thing as waiting in queue. Unironically, putting more effort in game optimization.
>>580465887Alright, thanks for the help. I hope Sweden blesses me with talkative teammates.
Remember when people said it wouldn't happen
>>580469771No point in lingering on the past. They're all dead now
>>580470131This going to be me by the end of this year (after my bottom surgery appointment in the philippines)
>>580470637>in the philippines
>>580470131I will allow it but only if it comes with genestealers
>>580470727Philip-penis
>>580470778the unknown enemy is probably a nurgle psyker, I have to temper my expectations
>>580470908Oh boy I can't wait for the brap tornadoes to make it to Darktide
>>580470957actual brain farts
>>580469771I'd like those legs for Skitarii, Darktide legs are skinny and boney.
>>580471076Skinny legs are lighter
>>580437273Twin axes are terrible for horde clearI recommend 2H axe and 2H hammer if you have no DLCs>spam axe heavies for hordes, sprinkle in some push attacks>axe lights for blackfurs and specials>hammer heavies for chaos warrior bonking
>>580470957Certain expedition node can have them.
>>580473763grim that expeditions are so dogshit I didn't even play them long enough to know this
Someone spoonfeed me the modern Ogryn build theory.
>>580476734>auric and belowWhack shit with your melee weapon, use taunt for infinite toughness. Make sure you can shoot snipers.PBB is good but will also possibly make some giga autist in your team have a meltdown over you daring to touch a single ammo pickup.>havocYour melee is a debuff stick, you're better off building around an explosive gun. Use whatever ability and keystone you like honestly. As long as you are actually using your gun with a brittleness blessing and staggering everything, you should be fine. Obviously don't fucking die, having +1 wound isn't permission to go down at retarded times.Keep in mind that any non-taunt builds will make psykers screech and cry and piss themselves, doubly because they're dogshit and need their taunt diapy, and because PBB ogryn makes bigger numbers than most psykers do, especially bubblecucks.If you do go with Bull Rush or Indomitable or whatever the charge is called now, double check how much more impact you need in your build to stunlock monsters use Creature Spawner mod, and Controlled Chaos mod, to set the psykhanium to h40 and spawn monsters, and whether that requires headshots. Some melee weapon punches can stunlock all monsters including daemonhosts, I think the shovel is one of them.
>>580476734gun goes brrranything else is kinda trashy because most of your melee weapons are anemic
>>580477538Ehh it's not quite so bad. It's more that most of ogryn's melee weapons are (presumably) balanced around completely damagemaxxing AND taking bleed, and even then they're kinda mid. Same for any melee weapon that has access to Skullcrusher, they're basically not viable without that blessing.If you want a powerful melee weapon just use a pickaxe. Other options are viable but won't feel great.
>>580477610yeah, thats what i said
>>580477740No you said>gun goes brrr>anything else is kinda trashy because most of your melee weapons are anemic
>>580464493Give it to ubisoft. Let it all burn down
READYING CROWD CONTROL
Does anything come close to the Troon Blades on the Skitarii? Does the extra stagger and Skullcrusher on Shock Maul make up the difference with utility or do you need to go all in on electrocution to make the Arc Maul compete?Just really not a fan of the stance-switching playstyle
FAGSHARK JUST BUFF FUCKING ZEALOT PPEASE HE WFEELS SO SHIT AFTER PLAYING OTHER LASSDWES FUUUCK YOU SWIGGER NIGGERS DIE DIE DIE DIE BURN STOCKHOLM TO THE GROUND BUFF ZEAAAAALOT
>>580478840you dont really switch stances, because the claw existsarc maul is generally just better because voltagheist and the extra arcs is better than it has any right to be
>>580478959Sorry I should have specified for Havoc difficulty
>>580478890tbdesu I feel like a major issue with, at least in the feels department, Zealot is that RB is his "best" weapon and it honestly feels kinda shit to play. Like sure raping rager stacks and hordes with powered heavies is F U N, but everything else is kinda miserable in a weird way. All other attacks, despite not being THAT clunky, somehow feel like more clunky versions of exec sword heavies.
>>580479191check a guide then, its a solved game mode, dont know why youre coming here
>>580479347Gameslantern guides are so fucking ass dude I'd be better off using random Emperor's Gift drops then the 12 year old armchair experts that populate that site (youtubers aren't much better)
>>580478840Arc maul with VE is good. Shock maul feels like a meme to me. You don't really have to change stances much, you can realistically get away with just staying in vertical all the time unless there's some inexplicably massive trash horde that your psyker or ogryn aren't dealing with. Assuming you don't want to slide tech everywhere, anyway.>>580479347You would think so, but the people writing guides are fucking retards, and jewtubers have no incentive to actually teach anyone anything worthwhile when they could instead make dogshit clickbait.
>>580479481>>580479491then you write guides if youre so good at it and stop complaining
>>580479875>then you write guides if youre so good at it and stop complaining
>>580479875retard
>>580479875reading comprehension bros...
>>580479875They hated him because he was retarded and deserved the hate
>>580480374Fuck off ratjeet
>>580479491>Shock maul feels like a meme to meI'm actually a big fan, in the lab I'm getting about 30-50% more DPS than the Arc Maul on Crushers (no meter), or roughly equivalent with meter, with the added benefit of>no resource management>staggerlock everycunt>alt attacks blow up Captain shields (underrated in Havocs when Twins spawn)>good mobilityThe problem is the horde clear is total ass, which I suppose is what the arcs are for on the AM, but stillIt's a moot point anyway since I'm ultimately clearing x2 DPS for both horde and armour with the Troonsanics so I figured I just must be using the Arc Maul completely wrong. I'm running Noospam so I kind of don't want to just pop VE or 'just use claw bro' but from what I can gather it seems like that's kinda what you have to do to enable it>>580479875ok spaz
>>580480479>The problem is the horde clear is total assYeah, that's why I think it's a meme. Horde control is surprisingly decent with it, but you just can't fucking kill anything.>I'm ultimately clearing x2 DPS for both horde and armour with the TroonsanicsPretty sure arc maul just wants you to spam 3 charge VE, and probably Power Overload with CPO, to deal with just about everything. I talked about this before, but I can't stand the weapon, so I can't really speak from experience, just from scoreboards I've seen that used that weapon.VE spam obviously excludes noosy spam categorically.
>>580480374I can tell which post really struck your cervix
Here we go again
>gay larping againHello, jeet.
>>580481098Men don't have cervixes
Why the fuck is Vermintide 2 so hard
>>580483370its slow as shit so you cant really unga bunga
>>580483370Positioning matters more
>>580483370Because it doesn't have ogryns
>>580480479>The problem is the horde clear is total assWhen I was running it I found you can (just barely) reach 1 shot breakpoints for the Dreg Bruisers while still running flensing and even 1 shot the Scabs with the horizontal heavies but its not really worth the investment. I ended up liking it more than the arc maul cause its a lot harder to achieve during the activation downtime
>>580469771I said skibidi would always happen, techpriest is the one that would never happen. And I'm right.
>>58048337025 hits to matter while a lone slaverat nukes your hps
>>580464493>What dev would you give Darktide to instead?Arrowhead
>>580485489>every weapon mark gated behind different battlepasses>an even more leftist community
>>580458103>The EU ogryn population is borderline non-existentI play in the EU exclusively and everytime I check party finder there are ogryns in the other parties often. I'm also one of the said ogryns in EU.Though I wonder if EU has multiple "sub servers"? Like if central europe has their own, so does north europe, west europe, etc.
Hm pickaxe is pretty fucking fun
>>580485489>suddenly darktide's technical problems increase by 500%
>>580485701>>580485918And it'd still be better off than being in hands of Fatshark.
>>580464493Any other dev would give Darktide one small patch and abandon it. Five years later they'd produce a KF3-eqsue sequel called Darktide 2 and it would be an absolute piece of shit.
>>580486053you must be joking
>>580480665>VE spam obviously excludes noosy spam categorically.Why would voltaic emitter exclude noosesphere?
>>580464493Unknown Worlds
>>580480479>>alt attacks blow up Captain shieldsi don't know why people keep maintaining this narrative. The alt attack does the same as light attacks. It's not particularly good or bad.
>>580486128>VE spam>spamNoosy eats your capacitance. If you want to explicitly use 3 charge VE as often as possible, it cucks you out of that.Noosy is there for 2 charge VE, and is optimal to use for that. Different use cases.
Give Darktide to Naughty Dog
>>580464504Mods to help tracking peril level? I don't really like staring at numbers. Also 80% and 99% look exactly the same.
>>580486209>Naughty DogI don't want sex scenes with female ogryns...
>>580486262There's a slight grace period after hitting 100% and it plays a pretty distinctive sound, just remember to tap away at quell when you hear it.
>>580483370You can't crutch on grenades, dodge slides, or stupid abilities.If your fundamentals are bad, then you are going to eat shit. Repeatedly.There are a couple of classes that when built in a particular way are stupid OP, but they get kicked on sight.
>>580486209>trappers wear a burka>Morrow says he's an exiled one from the rightful owners of Armageddon
GRIIIIIMNIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRR
>>580486315Does not answer my question
>>580486523nta but it sort of does because you don't have to stare at numbers.would you like a big visual bar instead?
people still do this btwespecially on cataand it's always a wipe because they dont understand they are not helping at all
>>580486207Oh wait yeah, that does make sense. Am dumb.
>>580486523https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/1156Use this then
>>580486645Explain what is happening here other than the equivalent of farming enemies at the capsule plugin in Rolling Steel
>>580486794NTA but retarded Elf green-circle chasing by not dropping down to actually help the team in the event and just shooting with a shitty fucking bow on a class that's not even that good at shooting stuff
>>580464493Discogarage Games. :^)
>>580485489>All the weapons in the game becomes unwieldy clunky piece of shit for the sake "realism">Enemy HP doubled >Blessings are only equipped to make weapons useable
>>580486262PerilGauge
>>580486650You asked a genuine question without insult and received an informative reply. Sometimes /copeg/ is not cancer.
Teaser this week or the next one?
>>580487051tbf some of these are partially true for fatshark as wellthe biggest insult I had from fatshark was when they gave to supply car to everyone who played the game within a 3 week period or so. I had no idea and was away for most of it. So when I retvrned to HD2 everyone had the car except me. And when I said this was bullshit they said>"LOOOL all you had to do was play 1 game XD"sorry i was on a fucking mountain. This is not fair. I still don't have it. Maybe they'll give it to me in a few months, who knows. Even monkeys understand this. If there are 5 monkeys, and you give a fun toy or good food to 4 of them, the 1 monkey who don't get the thing will get very upset. Even thought they didn't technically lose anything. Fatshark has their own fomo with cosmetics and frames but at least they don't do actual A tier equipment fomo. Actual insane behavior from AH.
>>580487806>the biggest insult I had from fatsharki meant arrowheadneed coffee
>>580487108Thanks>>580486661I guess this could work too but I'd go with the gauge
>look up mods for "peril">stumble upon "no more overloads">it plays the game for youwtf
>>580489163It's accessibility :)
>>580489320the funniest is "spider sense for deaf players"
>>580489163It's best not to dwell on all the miserable and craven ways the randoms in your matches could be cheating, it's a sour thing to think about.
Can anons recommend some good 4 player co-op games with tower defence theme? I looked into orcs must die but that shit only supports 2 players
>>580489737>orcs must die 2Welp I guess you gotta wait for orcs must die 4!
>>580486194wow I just tested it and you're right wtfidk why it felt so much better in practice thoughdamn
>>580490654alt as in the activated attacks?
>>580490654>idk why it felt so much better in practiceI believe it's got slightly better range, and it's sticky in a way that prevents anything else getting caught in your swings. It's still slightly more practical overall assuming you have no attack speed increases. I believe if you have any bonus attack speed, light attack spam just wins.
>>580490703Yeah the cattle prodBest time to kill the shield is still heavy 1 > altfire (it has a special animation chain that's a lot faster) but it's not much faster than light spam as I thought
>>580490812the mechanicus exclusive one right? I remember the chain weapons special attack raping shield too
>>580490856NTA but we were talking about the shock maul. The old one. Not the skitarii arc maul.
>>580473539I have the dlc and everyone is recommending the coghammer with the throwing axes?
>>580490856No that's the arc maul, talking about the generic shock maul with the cattle prod attackAnyway I take >>580490812 back since I just tested it again without getting an insane crit chain or whatever and yeah lights are better wtf
>>580491031Coghammer is OP and good on everyoneThrowing axes is the only ranged weapon on slayer so yeah
>>580492826>cockhammerImagine using a weapon like that and not thinking the game is gay as fuck, lmao got 'em
>>580486194I'd argue that it's bad because it locks you in place
>>580486645O BLESSED SHOT
The shock maul really is a piece of crap. I have tried so hard to get that thing to work but it just cannot kill or stagger anything as fast as it needs to. The literal only virtue of that weapon is that it has skullcrusher which it sucks at taking advantage of because it can hardly stagger anything on its own.
I am death! >:3
*fart* NIGGER! :D
>Rogue Core already on sale
>>580495517*Rouge
>>580490654>>580491215It's probably psychological. Because it makes a rapid BZZZT sound with a fast tick rate, it feels faster.
>>580494840mark issuebuild issueblessing issueuse munitorumuse h2->l3 loop for single targetuse hammerblow
New player hereHow viable is to play with just your gun?I dont like the melee weaponsI played with an ogrin today that has a massive machine gun
>>580496248>use hammerblowwhy? Just get 2 damage blessings instead.
>>580496279Based Retard.
>>580496279it's semi viable. Depends on your team. The issue is that ammo is for the most part a limited resource. So when you take ammo, there's less ammo for teammates. If you have 3 teammates who use no ammo, you can shoot all game. For example if you have 2 staff psykers and 1 melee dude. But usually there's at least one other teammate who picks up ammo. Sometimes all 4 wants ammo. Hive scum is best for shooting all game. You might have to get a melee kill once in a while to steal ammo from enemies.Veteran is second best.Ogryn is third best.
>>580496279Make a Psyker and you can play using only your staves.
>>580496279ezpz, but you need to know how to dodge, and i think using a ranged weapon with good stagger helps
>>580496458Don't complain about lack of stagger then
>>580496710>Hive scum is best for shooting all gameNo that's ogryn
>>580497346ogryn is the most fun, and the latest pbb buffs are great, but his ammo economy can't compare to hive scum's
>>580497258I wasn't planning on it. I'll take that deal.
>>580486262I would like a mod that gives a clearer alert that my Relic Blade/Falchion heat has fully reduced to zero and is ready to be juiced again. The indicator is too subtle when you have multiple reapers shooting you point blank in the face.>>580496279I've only got 150 hours and I think it's not viable at all. Maybe all these l33t gamers can do it, but my experience is that there's a constant trickle of low level melee enemies that will hit you in the back if you have your gun out for too long.Also you won't have enough ammo.Also that you need to defend yourself in melee because your 2 surviving teammates will run to the other side of the map then repeatedly mark a waypoint on the elevator whilst you are trying to rescue another teammate who got trapped and is surrounded by 11 ragers, and then you'll rescue said trapped teammate and then as you make your way to the elevator you'll see the health of your 2 "Elevator Friends" suddenly go red and when you get to the elevator there is a trapper and 11 ragers surrounding their dipshit retard bodies.Darktide is not really an FPS, it's more of a First Person Melee-er
>>580497428Yes, hive scums ammo economy actually sucks and pickpocket is not viable for anything other than nigglerOgryns ammo economy is much better
>Ogryn's ammo economy is goodPlease dont troll the new guy
>>580500141Trolling is saying ogryns ammo economy is bad
>>580499767Bro, why not actually try playing gun scum and see for yourself before talking from your ass. Ive been playing gun scum (in Havoc 40) since the pickpocket nerf, with a variety of guns, (IAG, Dual Autopistols, Shredder, even the Double Barrel) and still managing to do exceptional damage, even frequently topping the scoreboard. Literally just pull out your shivs when you run out of ammo, kill an elite, and go back to blasting. Its not fucking hard. Seriously, WHY do you talk out of your ass without actually having the first hand experience to know what you're talking about? Anyone who actually plays gun scum knows the shit youre saying is wrong, and you look like an idiot.
>>580499767I literally main looger ogryn, and no its ammo economy is nowhere near hive scum. That doesn't mean ogryn's eco is bad. It's just not as good as hive scum. You can stop posting now.
>>580486209Don’t wish such horrors on us>>580495517Over before it even begun…
>vomits profusely from every orificeclass for this feel?
>>580502421They haven't made a pvp mode that lets you play as a plague marine yet
>>580489737Orcs Must Die Deathtrap (the most recent one) does support 4 player coop
>>580501132>You can stop posting now.Or else?Hive scum has shit guns with small ammo reserve and the only thing improving his ammo economy is pickpocket, which is so bad barely anyone takes it.It's only viable for needler which is famous for not being a gun that people like to shoot. It's stupid op but extremely unfun. And even with needler people don't take pickpocket these days.Every other gun doesn't have enough damage to kill anything with tiny amount of ammo pickpocket recovers, so you either don't use your guns (unless you take needler) or are forced to run with 0 ammo reserve most of the game (then recover less than a magazine and not kill anything with it because your guns are weak). This is NOT good ammo economy.On PBB ogryn the only thing you care about is to ping ammo repeatedly so your teammates pick it up.Yes, ammo economy is very different on PBB and melee ogryn, no shit. Because ammo economy is backed into ability, it should not require a lengthy explanation, but here we are.
I get that you wanna keep the thread bumped but you can also do that by posting something genuinely engaging instead.
>defecates on the main floor of the Mourningstarnow what
>>580506768fuck, marry, kill? Dukane, Zola, Hestia.
We could be playing a game with 100k concurrent players if fatshark weren't a bunch of lazy swedish hacks
>>580507737lmao post one (1) warhammer game of both settings with more than 30k players
>>580507737100% player retention is unrealistic. BUT there was 50k 3 months ago and a larger proportion of them should have been retained.If rule descriptions were accurate, the tutorial was longer and explained some different enemies better, Uprising and Malice difficulties had easymode objective markers for what direction you should move through the map, the game didn't encourage you to rush to higher difficulties so quickly AND if you could earn small amounts of Aquilas in-game... then the game would have around 25k players right now.
>>580430928Fun times. The ashlands landing is a good memory.
>>580508619I don't think earning Aquilas in-game is really a factor for player retention over three months. That's not really enough time for a new player to get grumpy and bitter about the aquilas and cosmeticslop, imo.When I was pulling in a new player not long ago, their biggest issues were people rushing through the maps without them and also people passing up crafting materials-- probably a consequence of so many experienced players temporarily being in low difficulties to level their new skitties during that time.
>>580507879Most Warhammer games suck so yeah that’s not surprising but this could be the best one
>>580508619Thanks for reminding me how awful the tutorial is. I can't tell if they expected players to lab it, actually talk to each other, or have youtubers do the work for them rather than make a more functional tutorial. A better tutorial would do a lot for player retention. Honestly I think more free cosmetics, especially weapons, would probably go a long way for player retention too. No idea what the drop feed of free premium currency does for Helldivers, but with how almost everything neat is locked away in the cash shop it feels like a decent enough alternative for acquiring cosmetics. We also just need more maps. Expeditions shouldn't gave been a game mode, they really should have invested that effort into more map variety.
>>580507737Outside of streamers and youtubers hyping a 40k game release for a week or two, it will always return the general niche numbers of the franchise. Still really strong compared to other games on steam.
>>580507879Total War Warhammer 3
>>580511923Damn it's all true, is this a fun RTS?
>>580507879>>580511923Decisive FantaGOD victory!
>>580512679>>580512682I kneel, RTSGODS...
>>580512679yespirate the dlcor take out a second mortgage
>>580513330I own all except the tigerjeets
>>580513472I also bought them all ;_;
>>580510124>I don't think earning Aquilas in-game is really a factor for player retention over three months.It would be.People would be 100% more likely to stay around and grind few events here and there just so they can get some free aquilas. Even now the most popular events definetly been the 3 where we got like 500 free aquilas in each.And reason why people line up to play is because there is an actual tangible benefit to playing in those events. Yeah premium shop cosmetics aren't the greatest but there are still some nuggets of gold in the mountains of shit.
>>580508619>100% player retention is unrealistic. BUT there was 50k 3 months ago and a larger proportion of them should have been retained.This, and the main reason is that there's basically fuck all to do in Darktide. And the devs don't capitalize on the momentum at all.Imagine if after the skitarii update went live then in august we got like 1 new map + 1 new weapon.People would be way more likely to stay around and play.One thing that irks me though is the premium shop and how Fatshark seemingly can't capitalize on it properly.Imagine being Fatshark and as one of the big things you do in an update is release a new weapon, but then at the same time you do not release a premium cosmetic for the weapon to capitalize on the hype and get more sales.It's so dumb.
>>580513330>>580513472>>580513523I'll wait for a sale, I've seen you can get the mega bundle when it's on sale for like $80ish and that seems reasonable for all the shit you would get in there if the game is good like you guys say.
any fun off-meta Kruber builds
>>580514568No.
>>580514568Huntsman. Lol.
>>580516109how is huntsman offmeta?if you can aim it's the best ranged career in the entire game>BHbabbies already seething and typing with their dorito-stained handsBH's ammo economy is inferior to huntsman.are we gonna have this argument again?
>I'm thirteen kinds of glorious!Delete that line, fuckPreferably the entire personality.
>>580483413your mom says this a lot too ;)
>>580516794>picI did that btw
>>580516794>Aims bow>Picks off one skaven slave>BH wiped out the rest if the horde and some of the elites in that time with his duckfeet.>Style on the CW with a blessed shot>kills the rat that teleported behind him to get his crit and ammo back.Ggnore
Alienclickers, the elite enemies are the ones with orange HP bars, right? I'm messing with builds and thinking of swapping Big Game out since there really aren't that many of the orange bar enemies, even on Insane.
noooo let me out
>>580489737https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFhU-_ecENQDelta Online has 5 player coop
>>5805180261. Huntsman doesn't need a conc pot to delete monsters.2. Huntsman has infinite ammo, whereas BH must completely run out of ammo to trigger regen. This is pointless, if you have good aim and a ranged weapon with Scrounger or Conservative Shooter, you will rarely run out of ammo anyway.3. The bow is the worst Huntsman ranged, the Handgun or even the Repeater are comically op with the right build (without even taking Bluntsman into consideration, and this doesn't mean that the bow isn't good in the right hands it's just suboptimal)4. BH's only good at hordeclear with the shotguns, monster damage, and dmg buffs with Open Wounds, which you never need on cata since very fucking retard runs Shrapnel anyway5. Huntsman can movetech with both his best melee weapons, BH needs the hook6. Huntsman can go invisible, BH has to constantly fight hordes or have teammates to babysit him when fighting a monster7. Huntsman's reload passives are significantly better than BHs8. Huntman has basically no damage falloff unless you are trying to snipe enemies from the other side of the map, BH is rendered useless even with the crossbow at 20-30 meters9. Huntsman with One in the Eye can build around infantry breakpoints rather than ranged, BH can't and you are constantly playing with bad melee breakpoints10. Kruber fucked your mother good, Saltzpyre fucked your mother hard and painfully.Just face it, BH was hit with several nerfs over the years and the class is only good at hordeclear with the shotguns (that kill your ranged capabilities), melting monsters, and OW.>what nerfsThe ult nerf from a while ago killed the class unless perma potted, even a mediocre Shade is better.Repeater pistol was completely gutted, it used to instantly kill CWs with the secondary fire, now it barely scratches them.The release of OE indirectly nerfed BH, as OE just does everything better but you never see it ingame because most engineers are shitter retards.I used to main BH, so I know.
>>580503041>hen recover less than a magazine You recover 2-3 magazines if you're at 0 ammo.>and not kill anything with it because your guns are weak>trolling>>>/b/
>>580521404kek, bodied that freak
What's your build for Kirksmas? I'm going for the Skitranny with Space Garand. Headshots all day long
>>580528487You didn't have to call me a freak...
I'm feeling like a freak on a leash :(
you wanna see the light
It was no more or less deplorable than you FREAK
what base game class should I focus on if I want to start doing havocs
>>580537465Psyker = ogryn > zealot >>> veteran
>this retarded indian-infested general is still not dead, yetShame. It's going to happen, one day, and on that day I want (You) to imagine me laughing at (You), and spitting in your face.
>>580521404When the Feast of Grimnir event came along this year I tried playing repeater rifle huntsman for the first time ever. I was pleasantly surprised at how good it is.
>>580514256>there's basically fuck all to do in Darktide. And the devs don't capitalize on the momentum at all.I think this is underselling the downright malicious retardation that fatshark presents with every (supposedly) major update.>arbitrator releases with a couple bugs>the retards fuck up every hotfix, then go on vacation, leaving an entire keystone non-functional for over a MONTH>scum about to release with a major bug>they kneejerk overnerf an entire ability into complete uselessness, and it remains useless to this day>the class has such a dogshit skill tree that average players can't even get it off the ground, as it takes like 20 levels to even get to a defensive talent>regardless of how much one might want to screech "skill issue" (true), this was objectively a bad experience for most buyers, who regretted their decision>it took them something like two months to finally unfuck the skill tree>expeditions releases in their self-proclaimed biggest update>the mode is literally dead on arrival>nobody gives a fuck, nobody plays the higher difficulties>player count plummets in a really ugly way within just 2 weeks>instead of acknowledging their failure, they double and triple down with new expeditions content, including an update that punishes (You) for your sub-human """teammates""" griefing you by playing a difficulty they don't belong in and dying as a resultThe only major updates in recent history that weren't a complete shitshow, were the cooldown balance overhaul update the one that pigeonholed zealot into a support role by killing every other build's viability :^) which I think was overall a step in the right direction if perhaps not enough of a nerf to the player, and the skitarii release recently. And even then, really dumb bugs still exist, like the servo skull being blocked by, and damaging, psyker shields.
>>580521404>>580541660redpill me on the repeater, how do you use it properly
The Lex... is the Lex.
>>580503041retard
>>580542143This is more or less the build I came up with when playing regular maps. You take all the ammo talents you can and all the crit chance you can, and you can just keep shooting to your heart's content. Shield&Spear can be substituted for something else, I just like that melee weapon a lot.
I think this general sucks less when there's some new content that enough anons want to talk about. Sometimes it's down right nice. But these lulls in releases always bring out the worst
>>580544124because havoc was the worse thing to ever happen
>>580542676ATTENTION BLOCK FODDER.
>>580544124That's mostly because all the mentally ill retards and jeets get drowned out by actual discussion. There isn't much to discuss right now so all the brownoids roam free. Take responsibility.
>>580521404does handgun have higher boss dps than the longbow or is it just a better generalist weapon?
>>580544904You all are brown at heart, even when you're "discussing" some actual content, you chimp out like fucking animals.(You) are no better than the ratjeet, the resident neet schizos, the lot. Fuck you.
>>580527924>>580543189nigger
Warpless psyker is so much fun Im never touching bubble again
>>580546349>mention jeets>immediately get the jeet defense force having a crashout over it>um ackchewally it's not the jeets it's actually everyoneYou are just reinforcing my point, anon.
>>580546479damn they really stretched your neovagina huh
>>580541804It honestly is just pure cancer how Fatshark treats Darktide.The arbites thing is so god awfully dumb that I struggle to believe these dipshits even have a fucking job at this point. They even fucked up the dog bleed too, at first it was ok, strong but not useless. They do some lazy ass hotfix that buffs the dog's bleed damage to retarded levels because the crossed some fucking wire somewhere that caused ALL of the arbites damage talents to apply to the mastiff.This whole thing is the only thing that gets patched within a week and they basically over nerf dog bleed to the point where it is practically useless outside of 1 boss damage niche where the set up is horribly easy to fuck up. Meaning most people just straight up skip it now because it is that fucking useless.And you're entirely right about Expeditions, it's so fucking bad that it is not funny. The entire fucking gamemode can be summed up as "Should've been Chaos Wastes".Also it is entirely fucking clear that the only damn reason why Expeditions even exists is because some retard/s (hint hint) at the studio saw Helldivers and their success and went "We need to do that, it's super popular right now, we need to capitalize on this!" which just completely fucking misses the point as to WHY Darktide is at all popular in the first place. It certainly isn't because of people loved running after plasteel so much that they all wanted to run around more to collect fucking scrap metal.Like genuinely, if Fatshark didn't have licences to GW's IPs this fucking studio would've crashed, burned and fucking died years ago, before Tencent ever got their hands on it.But what's honestly fucking worse, there realistically isn't any other game studio that could keep this fucking going. So we are stuck with these retarded mongoloids who go on vacation half the fucking year and whenever they aren't on vacation then 90% of the time they do shit literally nobody asks for or wants.
What would run Darktide better?5800X3D (8-core X3D) or a 5900XT (16-core)Can anything on the market run Darktide at a stable 144+ FPS times without using bullshit hallucinogenic AI slop "frame gen" fuckery but actual, real, genuine, low latency frames? Preferrably higher, like 240 FPS average with 144 FPS being 1% lows? Does this game need threadripper, or, for some fucked up reason maybe a fucking snapdragon CPU?Vermintide runs so good. Darktide is unplayable.I have 5700X 64GB RAM and a 3080. Even if I potato shit, visually, the CPU just can't do this game in any way I find tolerable. Darktide is so ugly to look at and the game runs so poorly. It makes no sense.
>>580543896>I just like that melee weapon a lot.because it's op
>>580550826x3d obviously>Can anything on the market run Darktide at a stable 144+ FPSno
>>580550826>a stable 144+ FPS times without using bullshit hallucinogenic AI slop "frame gen" fuckery but actual, real, genuine, low latency frames?For what it's worth, past a certain point, framegen becomes difficult to actually notice. Your concern of true frames vs generated frames is of course valid, but it mostly applies to low true frame rates. If your non-generated frame rate is below the game's tick rate, you will run into input latency or even swallowed inputs in some games, but that's a general issue and has nothing to do with framegen directly.Practically speaking, if you can run some 60-90 FPS during the most extreme action (such as 6 gorillion poxwalkers being bashed by an arbitrator and set on fire by zealot + psyker and bled by the veteran, which creates extreme GPU strain for some retarded reason), you should be fine to run framegen.The most noticeable downside with framegen is visual smear and outlining, but that SHOULDN'T be particularly noticeable if your native frame rate is already high? I know you didn't ask for an explanation on framegen slop, but I think your worries are overstated. Regardless, targeting 240 FPS with 144 lows, is unreasonable, not only because Sw*des can't code and thus can't optimize their game, but also because the current consumer market for hardware is being raped by the AI bubble refusing to pop.I'm on an i7-14700KF and RTX 4070 and the game runs fine for me at 1440p without framegen or upscaling, at reasonably high settings, but I've capped the frame rate at 72, which is half of your desired minimum. I think the highest FPS I can stably run is ~90 with some dips and peaks here and there, but I haven't bothered to check. 144 certainly isn't reasonable in actual combat, and I don't plan on turning my computer fans into a jet engine just to evacuate the unreasonable amount of heat generated by drawing that much power.
>>580550826>amdneither will run well with darktide, its has specific problems with amd hardware
>>580551252That's a valid reason to like it.
The legs is the legs
There is a fourth wall breaking banter between female Fanatic and Reverent find both of them somehow oddly familiar
>>580554757First, fake frames are useless and only slow your game down, introducing extra latency.Second, 144 fps target is a meme. When engineers came up with 144 Hz refresh rate, it was deliberately set high to satisfy the requirements of gsync. Because gsync doesn't work if your game's fps goes above refresh rate. You were not meant to play at that fps, your fps is supposed to be strictly lower than that number Then marketers started the usual fake obsolescence loop by making even higher refresh rate which achieves nothing.Actual comfortable fps for videogames is around 90. Well, what actually matters is frame time, but it usually correlates to fps.
>>580559219>fake frames are useless and only slow your game down, introducing extra latency.Yes, but again, that depends on the actual frame rate that is being slopped up. If your actual frame rate is already in the 70-90 range before introducing fake frames, the latency is basically nonexistent, unless there's some esoteric technical detail I'm not familiar with. Besides the obvious detail of some games potentially capping their frame rate when turning on framegen.>Actual comfortable fps for videogames is around 90.I agree that the 70-90 range is about the lowest I'd want to tolerate, but going up to 144 still yields a noticeable difference, despite all the memes on the subject. Low fidelity games like boomer-shooters that don't hammer your GPU and actually let you play at a stable, consistent 144 FPS run buttery smooth, it's really, really nice.Also isn't the frame rate threshold for VR technically higher, if you want to avoid motion sickness and eye strain?
>>580559573>the latency is basically nonexistentFake frames are not free, plus your base framerate gets lowered so real and fake frames can alternate seamlessly. It's like enabling vsync.>Also isn't the frame rate threshold for VR technically higheriirc it is exactly 90 fps, at least it was for early headsets
RememberDon't eat out trapper's pussy and asshole
>>580550826You should have seen this shit at launch, it had ass fucking performance and used Vermintide style talents. Improved a fuckton since then but I would not expect numbers like the ones you want because the game is held together with warp goobers and cosmetics. Got almost 500 hours in it now, love it.
>>580565648worked on my machine, darktide is much more stable than vt2 ever was
>>580430928fun times
>>580564456I didn't plan on getting super herpes but thanks anon
New weapons this monthTrust the plan
>>580496279Pretty viable during the beta with the Vet, not anymore on higher difficulties
>>580577667>a new mark of the shredder autopistol>a new mark of the double barrel shotgun>a new mark of the crusher>all of them somehow worse than the existing ones>no new psyker staves>no new ogryn weapons>heavy sword nerfs>soulblaze buffed by 2%
>>580499534recon has infinite ammo, but if youre just good, you can manage with iag, which i prefer much more because it has much higher stagger in stopping someone midswing
>>580578139What sort of psyker staff do people want?I don't understand what to do with them, because their primary fire feels weak as shit but I know from experience the electro staff is cracked and I know from seeing it (but not using it myself) the flame staff is very powerful at high difficulty.I'm not sure what could be better than what we've got, unless it's just a staff that does functionally the same as a preexisting one except it's primary fire has a louder bang and more visual feedback to make if feel cooler.
>>580579738i liked fireball staff
>>580580039That's voidstrike
>>580579738a staff that shoot warp frost and freeze enemies
>>580544124Honestly we weren’t really that and until a few months ago. But even during updates we tend to get some unsavory posters here. Just a natural consequence at this point.
>>580580558>unsavory postersTrannies, to be specific
>>580580613>Tranniesschizos to be specific
Stuff, to be vague
do you ever get thisurgencyto be mean? to behave with animosity towards a perfect stranger whom you've never met before and will never meet again, ever? unprompted of course, not talking about justifiable times when the other person is mentally handicapped and refuses to learn or is actively detrimental to the party.in videogames.
>>580582432No I don't have bipolar disorder.
oh nine eleven nine eleven ohhhhhhhhohh nine ereven in amerika
>>580582432quite the opposite, actuallysometimes I DON'T let the voices win, and behave like an empathetic human beings, with inner world, personal goals and preferencesinstead of just kneejerk-reaction being as mean as possible 24.7, in a way that lets me get away with itin Auric Maelstroms
>>580584374how do (You) deal with snipers in Darktide?
>>580545192Much, much higher.You need to fulll draw the bow to get maximum dps, while repeater you can just spam right click with barrage and shit out a ton of damage.
>>580584374Fuck dude I forgot to do my 9/11 shopping
>>580554757>>580559219...What the fuck are you talking about.Holy shit your entire posts reads like cope from someone that can't hit 240+ fps consistently.
>>580585543>anon's visual settings
>>580585543>REEEE ESL ESL ESL REEEEIt was "post", but then I realized you were shitting the general up so I changed mine, without changing "reads".>>580585615I'm so sorry you're a poorfag that can't afford a 5090, and you need to play at that quality to get a decent framerate.
>>580559219>First, fake frames are useless and only slow your game down, introducing extra latency.thats not how it works, anonkun :3
>>580579738Laser staffReversal staff, you use it to catch enemy projectiles and bullets and then throw them back dealing damage. Kinda like the vortex shield from Titanfall.
There was that Steam leak recently, and there is an unannounced game called Warhammer: Survivors.I wonder if this could be what Fatshark is working on?
>>580589959https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_xO3puW1QAhave you been living under a rock
>>580559219>Actual comfortable fps for videogames is around 90.Higher is better. I clearly notice the difference between 90 and 140.
>>580479481so where should i go for guidance then or should i just work it out for myself by trial and error at a glacial pace in the precious few hours i have each week for leisure that mr shekelstein has afforded megoddamnit being a neet sucked but at least i had infinite time to git gudpic unrelated
>>580579738We don't even have marks of existing staffs.Electrostaff that shoots multiple arcs, like the old surge staffVoidstrike shotgun staffVoidblast implosion staffInfernostaff that sets the psyker on fire instead of enemies
>>580582432Yeah I urgently need to bully a young man into complianceIn Malice.
YOUR DEATH WILL BE SWEET, BUT NOT, FOR YOUUU
>>580590867>so where should i go for guidance theneverywhere. There's no single source of guidance that knows everything and we all agree is good. Darktide is too complex, for better or worse.
>>580591008There is nowhere to go. Darktide exists in an information vacuum.>devs are too retarded to write accurate descriptions>wikis are unmaintained>most players are incredibly retarded and only play retard difficulties where builds are largely irrelevant>jewtubers have no financial incentive to present actually good builds (their noobtard audience can't play them) or actually learn how to make a good build in the first place>gameslantern is a literal popularity contest and nothing else whatsoever>the public h40 representation consists of discordtroons that exclusively play premades this isn't even memeing, go watch h40 runs on youtube, if they aren't muted, many of the voices audibly ingest glycine max en masse, and many feature one audible HRT-ghoul>auric (and below), and h40, might as well be fundamentally different games in what they ask of the player(s), and how they're played in practice, so any build that may work in either, is likely not great in the other>all public forums are borderline useless for their own individual reasons>the official forums are practically unmoderated and every thread gets derailed with some retarded personal beef or clique retardation, rendering some 80% of posts irrelevant to the topic>reddit is mentally stuck in malice-heresy and also a haven for troons>steam forums are used exclusively by the biggest retards you can imagine>4chan is overrun with mentally ill turd-worlders making an active effort to derail or ruin every discussionYour best bet is what >>580591470 said, with the caveat that you should only pay attention to guides that explain their choices, or even better yet, present evidence for those choices.It's one thing to say "use Shock Trooper" and expect the reader to take it at face value. It's another to explain that a critmaxxed laspistol standing next to a zealot can fire for a minute straight without reloading.The only useful resources are kuli's guides in the OP.
>>580590767Damn it.Oh well. Though it would've been that UE5 project fatshark is working on.
>>580590867>so where should i go for guidance thenWell I went here but then you get guys like >>580478959 who post roleplay/themed builds or >>580480479 (me) who post misinfo like 'cattleprod breaks captain shields' so uhhhh just copy-paste Reginald's mid af builds until you learn the game and all of it's little quirks for yourself
>>580591939its too sooner for that, any big projects would require downtime in updates between games, there was an update for vt2 a couple months ago, and when they finished that they started working on darktide update that they just teased
>>580585659>he fell for the 5090 memegood goy
>>580593782
>>580489737Sentry https://store.steampowered.com/app/1252680/SENTRY/
>>580518167Yeah it's not worth it outside of wave 50 horde mode. The damage/HP modifiers are worth it though on Insane, I usually end each mission with 80-120 specials killed so I go back and forth on if I want Drive and those modifiers or if I just want to keep the +50% weakpoint modifier bonus since it's in full effect from the start of a mission.
>>580423549arby shotgun is basically a cluster bomb
>>580590867spaceru mommuru
>>580441448kek that's me
More like KIRKadia!
>try slab shield instead of powermaul on my usual Taunt FNP melee build I use for havoc in an auric HISTG rolling steel>shield has bromentum and skullcrusher>basically got all melee damage talents except for Beat Them Back and Heavy Hitter (obviously since I'm using FNP)>whole mission feels fucking god awful and it feels like I can't even kill basic horde trash with the set upHoly shit this was awful. It could just be a skill issue on my part since I haven't used the weapon a lot in a long time but this just felt fucking horrible.For love of God do I wish they'll rework/buff some ogryn weapons because this shit just feels fucking abysmal.
>>580601458>skill issuehave you tried using heavy 1 into heavy 2
>>580601601Yes, I did that, also tried using the H1 into push attack into H1 combo too, just felt bad.
>>580601734woah man you DO suck huh
>>580601458>>basically got all melee damage talents except>the actually relevant onesHave you tried taking the melee damage talents that actually matter, and also Hard knocks? You have No Stopping Me! so you can sprint at full speed during the H1, right?
>>580601458Spam H1 and sweep across hordes It used to be among the best horde clearing weapons in the game, but the lack of heavy hitter will reduce your damage by a lot
>>580602370The base damage doesn't matter that much, your real prime objective as a shield ogryn is to taunt and spam skullcrusher and bleed on everything so your teammates that are already way better at doing damage than you regardless of whether you have heavy hitter or not can annihilate them easily
>>580603086>spam skullcrusher and bleed on everythingWas the interaction between rending + bleed changed at all recently? Because I distinctly remember stacking max rending on the shield (5% + Dominate) would allow it to bleed out auric crushers while they were on their ass from your melee combo. But that was over a year ago and I haven't paid attention to it the few times I played ogryn recently.
>>580603086K
>>580595604and so are you after shelling out for the 5090
>>580603086Do you even play the game or do you just play Havoc in metastacked, well-oiled, perfectly optimized HK lobbies?
>>580602368>Hard knocksYes I have this. I also have No Hurtin Friends, Soften Them Up, Payback Time, 20% damage amp from Taunt, Strike True, Batter, got even 10% melee damage aura and 10% melee damage tax node.Only one blue node I didn't take is Beat Them Back and obviously Crunch, because of the pathing and I'd rather take 25% extra impact than 5% rending that is fucking useless.
>>580605308imagine playing video games for fun
>>580605308I mean he's right in that you CAN theoretically just ignore all damage talents and let Skullcrusher + bleed do all of the work. It's slow, but given your obvious implication of using it outside of havoc, it more than adequately gets the job done. It may be a little slow, but so are your pubtard teammates mentally.
>>580605391Winning is fun
>>580604047>Was the interaction between rending + bleed changed at all recently?Iirc they only changed rending blessings. Like Uncanny Strike which used to give you 120% rending, not just lets you apply up to 40% brittleness onto enemies when hitting the weakspot.They also took away some other interactions, like Opportunist buffing your bleed damage if the enemy is in a staggered state.Meaning something like Opportunist no longer gives your bleed extra 25% rending when the enemy is in a staggered state.Skullcrusher still work as usual. And rending still amplifies DoT effects. It's the reason why shattering impact is still super strong on all weapons that have access to it.
>>580605725>something like Opportunist no longer gives your bleed extra 25% rendingAh, yes, I knew I remembered something about that interaction. Thanks for the clarification, I completely fucking forgot.That bugfix/nerf is what made me stop using the shield for good. It cut the bleed damage on crushers in half, or something stupid like that. Made the shield feel a lot worse unless you completely damagemaxx, and if I want to deal damage I'll just use a pickaxe.
>>580603086You still want heavy hitter because of Impactful which lets you stagger enemies much more easily. Since 60% impact is very good and makes applying skullcrusher onto enemies more consistent.It's honestly just sad that lot of ogryn weapons don't do enough stagger innately even though you're an ogryn and you need to take stuff like Slam and Heavy Hitter to able to hit in a manner you'd expect 3 meter tall ogre to hit.
>>580605454Almost everything other than maulers, scab ragers and crushers will still die to like two ogryn hits in Auric. Why the fuck would YOU EVER consider yourself to just be a glorified debuffbot in a game in which it just doesn't work since everything dies after getting sneezed at? It's like playing a soulblazemaxxed purge staff psyker in damnation instead of just taking enhanced psionics shards.
>>580601458The shield's damage blows in general, it's made to stagger and crowd control. Try the pickaxe.
All I'm hearing is that ogryn sucks and his weapons suck too.Probably never getting fixed either.
THE UPDATE. WHEN IS THE UPDATE? FATSHAAEEEAARRRK.
>>580605982It was fine and fun when >>580605897 was still a thing. Also the shield is as mindless and easy as it gets since everything gets flung around like ragdolls in just 2 swings. I know the bar isn't particularly high, but pickaxes are still more complicated to use in practice.Idk if I play ogryn nowadays, it's exclusively ranged ogryn, because it's stronger and more fun in general. Even kickback focus beats melee focus in auric.>>580606305To give a QRD and generalizing a lot, only apex autists ogryn mains, play ogryn. This applies to the playtesters, who either play all of the human classes and never ogryn, OR only play ogryn, and never the human classes. They don't even have the scaffolding to compare them. Add to that the fact that these ogryn autists are fucking retards, and that any remotely critical playtesters get thrown out of the team for not fellating fatshark, and you end up with the infamous ogryn cycle of >ogryn buff -> players realize ogryn is good -> psyssies start dilating that their scoreboard number isn't yellow -> ogryn gets nerfed into the ground
ogryn?more likeoFROWNhaha
*crickets*
I play like this
>>5806103758 player squads, if the mission was properly balanced around it, actually does seem kind of fun. Maybe they'll do that for the inevitable Death Guard boss fight mission and then the MMOification of the game will be completed.
Is game kill?
>>580606656>To give a QRD and generalizing a lot, only apex autists ogryn mains, play ogryn. This applies to the playtesters, who either play all of the human classes and never ogryn, OR only play ogryn, and never the human classes. They don't even have the scaffolding to compare them. Add to that the fact that these ogryn autists are fucking retards, and that any remotely critical playtesters get thrown out of the team for not fellating fatshark, and you end up with the infamous ogryn cycle of>>ogryn buff -> players realize ogryn is good -> psyssies start dilating that their scoreboard number isn't yellow -> ogryn gets nerfed into the groundYeah, it's just fucking sad. It honestly is just fucking grim to look at the playtesters who are "in charge" of ogryn and his balance, it's just abysmal.I just want ogryn be actually good and not just be basically handicapped half the time.I like the idea of ogryn existing as a class that applies debuffs to enemies, helps giving space, pulls aggro and in general is a "tank" class if we got with more MMORPG terms.But fucking hell man, just let me do some decent fucking melee damage to enemies. I'm not sure if has been changed, but it should NOT take like 20 heavy attacks to the HEAD with a metal club against a Mauler to kill it, unless you have Batter.I'm 1000kg giga nigga that's swinging around a club that's about as heavy as a grown man if not heavier, I should be hitting like a freight train, but my attacks feel like I'm smacking enemies with a fucking pool noodle instead. Fuck.
>>580612206>I just want ogryn be actually goodThe irony of it all is that explosive focused gun ogryn has been, AT WORST, rather good in h40 since havoc's inception. The first sign of normies waking up to it, was when Estrogen made his ogryn + arbitrator OP video glazing the rumbler. Which spawned rumbler ogryns for a short while and then everyone abandoned it again for completely unknown reasons. Maybe they couldn't make it work because they are fucking retards. Nowadays GG and rumbler are quite overpowered after the PBB buffs, and GG can deal upwards of 2 million damage even without PBB.The actual problem you're describing is a lack of build variety, which is a problem that has always plagued ogryn. The whole discussion regarding the shield as used in auric, is a great illustration of this.>try to use thing>it feels bad>probably sucks tooI think the closest you can get to feeling actually powerful, is bull rush + pickaxe. >I'm 1000kg giga nigga Hey, at least you knock over poxwalkers with your dodges now (^:
*farts* Nigger! :D
>>580601458Did the same yesterday except I went to maelstrom and used to run pickaxe with HH in aurics, but I did powermaul with FNP in havocs. It doesn't even feel bad because of the stupid amount of stagger slab shield heavy has. But damage is awful. I am not used to being near the bottom of scoreboard, even if the gap is not big.I guess I can't feel the value of a shield in aurics because shooters don't destroy me.Also being slow even with rumbler in my hands sucks.
>>580612849>The irony of it all is that explosive focused gun ogryn has been, AT WORST, rather good in h40 since havoc's inception.I know that ranged ogryn is very good, but I want to play ogryn as a melee character. I mean it is pretty obvious that the class is designed to be one by default seeing that the 2 of 3 abilities are more melee focused. But playing as melee ogryn feels like you have a fucking anchor tied to your back as a handicap half the time.Like you said ranged ogryn can easily rack up 2 million damage even with PBB and it is comparatively piss easy.While melee ogryn like has to put in double the effort for the half the effectiveness, it just feels bad.Doesn't help that with melee ogryn your choice of keystones are HH or FNP, but if you take HH you're pretty fragile comparitively speaking for a melee role. And if you take FNP you are tanky sure and feel like ogryn, but you basically do fuck all damage in melee.This whole class is just fucking cursed.
>>580612849>everyone abandoned it again for completely unknown reasonsNobody abandoned rumbler. The idea was that you make a melee build and take lucky bullet and shoot rumbler for free without taking ammo. But in the end people realized that melee keystone is better in a melee build. They still brought rumbler but did not bring lucky bullet. Another factor is that arbites and ogryns were hit by an indirect nerf when fatshark increased enemy hp, and ogryn stopped being overpowered in melee so you can't really run it comfortably without a melee keystone anymore (and rumbler doesn't kill shit that good in a melee build either).PBB buff changes everything because now ogryn actually is the best class to make use of ammo. It kinda always was, but community is stuck on the idea of giving all the ammo to veterans for absolutely no reason, especially in the retard regions like EU.
>>580612851B...but that's my line! *fart* NIGGER! D:
>>580613958>especially in the retard regions like EU.excuse moi? you are le faggot!
>>580613927>I mean it is pretty obvious that the class is designed to be oneAll classes have melee and ranged paths, even zealot can be built for ranged (and it will be very effective in malice)Both melee and ranged ogryns are good though, and it's best to have both on your team.
>>580613927>if you take HH you're pretty fragile comparitively speaking for a melee role.This just plain isn't true because you knock every melee enemy over. If you feel squishy against guns, you need to slide more, and take gunner resist on your curios, and maybe build more toughness generation.Agree with the rest though.>>580613958>community is stuck on the idea of giving all the ammo to veterans for absolutely no reason, especially in the retard regions like EUPlasma brain. Something like 90% of vets used the plasma gun for the longest time, which isn't very ammo efficient, and if you aren't set up to one-tap all gunners, burns through ammo fast. This then became an implicit "oh the ammo goes to the vet" out of necessity that everyone then failed to unlearn once the average shitter discovered that other guns are usable.But let's be real, the average shitter also brings a recon las without shock trooper something like 50% of the time. Nobody ever brings a las pistol despite it being vastly superior. You won't even see a good vet on EU unless he's using a bolt pistol on some weird hybrid melee meme build. It's all fucked. Vets are retarded, EU players are retarded, darktide players are retarded.
>>580614396>This just plain isn't true because you knock every melee enemy over.Until the game says "No." and vomits rainbow colors onto enemies.
you talk as if NA isn't equally retardedthe only region that isn't retarded is China numba wan. They traded retardation with emotional volatility.
>>580613927>>580612849Did they like nerf the bully club m1 infinite toughness and bleed and everything spam?
>>580614396Laspistol feels like fucking SHIT to use. Not to mention the disgusting sights it has making it even more annoying in a rare occasion you need to aim.
>>580614647>the only region that isn't retarded is China numba wan. They traded retardation with emotional volatility.No, china is 100% retarded too.Like there's been unironic posts from the chinese where they actually think that western players are playing a different version of Darktide that is easier. And they base this fact on seeing european players using shit like devilclaw swords and the like beat H40s.
>>580614573Well if we're talking havoc specifically, you either solve that problem by exploding them with the paul if you care about Skullcrusher, or you bring a pickaxe and just kill them quickly.>>580614647NA can at least be wrangled because they understand English and respond to mic callouts. I don't expect Yuropoor teammates to even understand basic callouts. You can't banter with them either, they just start throwing slavgroid slurs, presumably because they can't even understand (or come up with) creative banter out of sheer, crippling ESL.
>>580614836The average HK match consists of players with poor execution, that have a decent understanding of the meta, actually try to win, and stick together until the job is done. Because h40 is a matter of game knowledge and team composition, this wins games.The average EU match consists of 4 random classes with completely retarded egotistical builds that intentionally skip all the good team nodes, and wipes on the first horde.I've played both regions a lot. Just getting a decent team together on EU is a fucking nightmare because I have to decline something like 85% of applicants because their builds alone tell me the player doesn't value winning. On HK I can almost blindly click accept on classes that make sense, and probably get a decent team.Idk why you feel the need to lie about this. You must not get around very much. Slavgroids are such a cancer on online gaming that it is literally preferable to play with 200+ ping and an insurmountable language barrier, just to play with the HK population.Von Neumann was 100% correct, and a national hero, and anyone who denied him should've been tried for treason.
I'm noticing that ever since Ratjeet stopped sperging out in the most obvious ways, HKschizo has returned after a long fucking absence.
Telopots was right about /coopg/
This is ratjeet MO btw. There's a solid chance he's some filthy sl*v so he immediately starts sperging out when someone dares besmirch his filthy sub-human bloodline.
>>580615707reminder that the casino-copaganda fag doxxed himself as a Polak
>>580615815Saying that for the twentieth time doesn't make it true without providing proof, faggot.
>>580615595>See telopts stream>Take a look>Naked mod>Spamming vacuum capsule>Mods hilighting every special>"This game is too easy">Gets nettedThat was the last time I watched any Darktide streamer. There is clearly nothing of value there.
>>580615996go clean my toilets, Borislav, and keep seething for not being AMERICAN
>>580616432>immediately, blindly lashes out in a schizophrenic rage at the perceived PolakI'm calling you an insufferable faggot for spamming your delusions seemingly every other thread without providing proof a single time. Calm down nigger, take your meds.
>>580615383My point is that every region is fucking retarded in some manner. The chinese unironically think they are L337 god gaymers who are playing the hardest version of the game, which is blatantly wrong. Their game is exactly the same as everyone elses, only thing different is their view point to what is viable. And some of it isright and some of it is heavily wrong.For example take the chinks bitching about dueling sword and plasma being nerfed. That is 100% because they think those are the only viable fucking weapons in the game for H40 for veteran to use. And we know this is how they think because they view devilclaw sword unplayable in H40 even though it is not, going so far as to cope about how other regions have an easier game, when in reality their individual skill is worse. Devilclaw sword is not good I agree on that but it's not the worst in existance, that shit is heavy swords and ogryn cleavers. It's a sub-optimal choice, yes, but still has a niche as a skullcrusher stick. And functions decently well on classes like hive scum
>>580616574>chinks this chinks thatI have absolutely no clue what the Chinese population's perception is of havoc. All I remember is seeing some funny fatshark forums meme where some machine translated post said something similar. What I'm talking about is lived experience, not some weird projection that extrapolates a single retarded forum post and a bunch of reviewbombing malicelets with 30 hours in the game, to how h40 actually plays.You talk like you don't even play havoc at all, since all of your claims seem to come straight from your ass.Especially>heavy swords when you also mention scum just 2 sentences over. Heavy sword is legitimately viable on scum in h40, because melee scum is retardedly overpowered. The difference between it and shivs are obviously night and day, but scum is so fucking strong that it doesn't really matter.
>>580615707>There's a solid chance he's some filthy sl*vIirc he already revealed that he is a polish guy or something.
>>580617098>>580615996
we all know he's polish
>>580616989>Heavy sword is legitimately viable on scum in h40No.Ratjeet, go home.
>>580591364So based… >>580591687I have to assume this is a result of the game being in a subpar state for so long because it’s so strange seeing a game of any kind in this state >>580591939That probably isn’t happening for years at this point
Ratjeet is not the copaganda libshit, detective retard
>>580617285>hey anon, you know this thing that you have seen with your own eyes, in an actual match that you played, and was memorable explicitly because it's so weird?>yeah, that didn't happenWhat is it with you heresyshitters and your cognitive dissonance about constantly shitting on le perceived meta, and then regurgitating severely retarded opinions like this because you can't fathom something being useful?Of course it doesn't work when you do some griefing non-build like min viscosity chemdep. That's not what I'm talking about, retard.
Makes sense. Poltards are known to be the Indians of Europe.
>>580614647the chinese cheat at a higher rate than probably even Slavs honestly
>>580617532Gypsies are the indians of europe
>580615815>580617098>580617270>580617532Ratfag samefagging
>>580617524>unironically shilling for heavy swords>on fucking scum off all thingsJust no.Heavy swords suck and I know this because I have actually used rampage + heavy sword before, it fucking sucks and is nowhere good.Ratjeet, just go home we all know you're too retarded to actually know anything about havoc.
>>580618345>thing you said?>actually, le oppositeYou could at least try to be more subtle about it, ratjeet. You do this every time.
>>580615996>nuh uh, never happenedYou're the polish ratjeet, you argue in the same way.
>>580618470>nuh uh is youAgain you're just using the same patterns when arguing as the ratjeet.You are not good at this let alone smart enough to do it correctly. God you're an idiot.
Ratjeet is desperately trying to remind everyone that he still exists so he won't just be forgotten like the untalented zero impact shitposter that he isSo pathetic
Is he Indian or Chinese or Slav/Polish, I lost track
>>580618803I mean even on the off-chance that you aren't ratjeet, you are still a massive fucking retard for trying to participate in big boy talk when your posts guarantee that you haven't even touched havoc in recent months, and are, at best, stuck somewhere in the 20s trench.My money is still on you being some filthy slavgroid having his daily meltdown over being disrespected online by what he thinks is a gamburger. Shoot up some more krokodil, maybe your half-incher will rot off too.
Next major update will be some retarded tweaks to the zealot tree and an updated UI to Melks menu(Its worse).
>>580620720Will we at least get new ogryn weapons?
>>580623186One of the knives will get its special action changed. It will be monstly useless or worse than just attacking normally except for an extremely niche scenario that will almost never come up.
>>580619083my bet is on Slav. Indians are rarely into video games and prefer to spam BBC porn on /b/ and Chinese barely speak English and probably have their own board on the chinese internet.
>>580626248100%Slavs also at least know some english and sometimes can write it very well.Indians not so much, and chinks in general don't care to learn english because it is a gweilo language.
>>580619171krumped dat git
>>580627469Begone xeno scum. This is a human thread.
>>580626248We already have a number of confirmed Indians shitting up this board though. There’s one that goes around to different generals shilling his shitty porn art. Plus I don’t know if this is him but there was that one poster here who accidentally revealed his hindi interface
>>580619171>20s trench>you don't actually play>obsessing over havoc and how of a good player he is pretending to be without any basis for itAgain this is how ratjeet argues. Delusion and making up shit about the people he argues without, ie. strawmanning.You really are just dumb.
>>580618259>>580618314true
why are faggots in here arguing like h40 is the only rank that matters when the game is significantly more difficult pushing through the 20 and early 30 slop ranks
>>580629384Because H40 is harder than H20 or H30. Hope that cleared it up for you.
>>580629685It isn't because you're playing with people who know what they're doing and every single one is cheating with mods and only using meta builds
>>580629798Truth Nuke
>>580596158Okay cool, thanks. Yeah the 50% weakpoint vs Drive's stuff is a bit tough. Although personally I think between the enemy movement, weapon spread, and my own aim, I doubt my weakspot hit % even reaches 40%. Against the bipedal aliens and the elites with something like a Pike, of course it's higher, so the weakpoint damage will be more beneficial there (which is arguably the main time you need it), but overall, I think Drive's bonus catches up to No Mercy's average performance before the mission is even halfway over. Not to mention the fact that Drive is also giving a little bit of CDR and builds up a big chunk of survivability. I basically put Drive on every build, and only my pure shooting build has No Mercy.
>>580629798If you need mods to do havoc I just will be fine living in Damnation/Auric forever desu
>the moment anyone goes against the thread hivemind zeitgeist they get called a ratjeet and buried under a pile of shitposts...He wonned.
Been playing this since it was on sale for less than a gallon of gas a few weeks ago. Anyone know why so many of the weapons challenges just suck ass?
>>580634683I don't trust any game with numbers like this because I just know the core audience is likely psychotic and hates the game they've played for 1000+ hours.
>>580633793Loudest Troon Survivors have multiple """qol""" mods running on their meta template havoc games.
>>580635424Never looked up the numbers. Never knew they were that bad. Some friends and I grabbed it because it was $2.50USD. Honestly that explains why the weapon mastery stuff ranges from simple to cruel. Same for the collectibles on the maps. Probably going to drop it after we beat the campaign anyways
True Survivor?More like True Shitter!
>>580638148boooooo find new material!
payday 2 is BACK on the menu
>>580640585How fucking bad PD3 is that they are actually still updating this game
>>580641378They made all the pd3 heist dlcs free bad
>>580641378Very. The Payday 3 only has about 1200 players currently as I'm writing this post.And sometimes the player count drops all the way down to about 100 players. PD3 is 100% fucking dead
>>580640585>>580642079JFC. These steam achievement leaks are kind of funny at this point
>>580642149Less a leak and more of the usual way these things get announced, this is how most of the dlcs got teased
>>580642351I doubt them leaking the DLC through achievements will help them regain their playerbase at all.The entire game is basically in a zombified state, it's a god damn vegetable with barely any pulse.I really do not understand what it is with modern game studios where they release dogshit quality games like this, but then decide to stubbornly to try and support it to no veil which just bleeds the studio dry, because in practise nobody plays the game since they fucked up their first impressions horribly and basically everyone has written the game off as a trash fire that can't be salvaged.It's like trying to perform a CPR on a man who is missing half a thorax and both legs.
>>580642079This month's update for pd3 with all the paid dlc heists being made free is literally the last chance the game has, if it can't sustain a healthy playercount after that then Starbreeze has essentially killed their hopes of ever making money off the game
wait you guys use mods that cheat in darktide? why? Its not that hard.
Anyway I saw a comment on here from some guy saying something about what was the point of zealot if it wasnt running stuff to get rid of corruption so I made a zealot build that uses the pulse (which I dont think gets rid of corruption anymore?) anyway the build is super fun and I wouldnt have made it without that comment so thanks to that guy,For me? Fun ones are Smyker, Veteran with the laser machine gun with the free shots in crit, and the zealot that has pulse and causes bleed. Ogre is also fun. Need more smyker love tbg
what are some velcrospiderman (shitter) builds for ogryn? completely retard proof, im thinking of introducing my friend to DT and hes bad at fps games
>>580647083Rent free.
>>580647083why are you obsessed with this guy?
>>580632334I typically skip out on Drive and take the two medic perks instead, the 2 cost one that gives reload speed, movement speed, and cooldown speed. And the 3 cost one that instantly knocks off 15% cooldown for every nearby player/sentry. Yes it counts consumable sentries as players, I've gotten 90% cooldown from it a few times as a result of that.
>>580647083leave him alone!
>>580647083who?
>>580647368Ratjeet is trying to stir up shit by triggering the resident schizo into sperging out about him
Was there any Darktide news last week?
>>580650234New weapons this month trust the plan
>>580649516no I'm not
>>580651054Speaking of stirring shit, how bout i fuck you in the ass?
>>580651182depends, are you a man or a woman?
>>580651395Don't worry, i'm all man
>>580651705Sorry then, I'm not gay.
>>580652312That's the thing, ratjeet, just like in prison, you don't get to choose when a bigger guy wants what's yours
The "meta" in this game is so funny because shitters will call a weapon non-viable and then some autist will post a VOD clearing 40 with it and suddenly that's how you play the game. Case in point, pretty sure shredders were shit about 6 months ago, not sure if fatshart even changed anything but now I see more and more people using them. Assuming Mr. mEme or someone posted a video
>>580653173People try to make shitty weapons work all the time, nothing new
>>580653173There's a lot of room for skill expression in Darktide. It's nice, but it's also why you see some people just eat shit for not understanding how something is meant to work.
