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Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!

/sthg/ #9581 - Domestic Violence edition

==NEWS==
>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversary
https://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary
>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond short animation in Fall 2026
https://youtu.be/ZOdpBJdeOhI
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027
https://x.com/SonicMovie

==Comic Release Dates==
Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #2 - 09 September 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog #89 - 09 September 2026
DC X Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #5 - 16 September 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog #90 - 30 September 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #3 - 14 October 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog #91 - 28 October 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #4 - 11 November 2026
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>SAGE
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Mirage Islanders? Lost!
Sylvanians? Wonned!
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Sonurge
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>>580565967
Sonic helping Amy with her training next!
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Shadria.
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tails was the audience surrogate back then
that doesn't mean he is "grayson/jason" and so on.
tails is just tim drake sparky , he will be always be sonic's bitch
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>>580566072
Why would you assume its the entire island?
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Replace Sonic with Silver in Elise's story and it's an immediate improvement
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>>580566429
Sega would never approve since that would force Sonic to drive the plot for once.
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>>580566429
Sliver is gay.
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>>580566176
>using american comicslop as the basis of your comparison to begin with.
Sonic isn't Batman
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>>580566429
based isekai kino gave us that
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>>580566429
It WOULD give a better reason for why Elise initially mistakes Sonic for Silver in the intro
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Having that cannon up the ass probably felt good
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>>580566072
Oh my god
WHO THE HELL CARES?!
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>two more issues of hypno'd maids
>then back to #100 teasing
I can't say I'm excited.
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蝉の殻

するりと抜ける

秋の初風
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Is #100 going to happen in 2027 or 2028?
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>>580566763
>didnt play the game
Silver rescued her in thr past and gave her the Chaos emerald she has in the present.
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>>580567087
>Silver rescued her in thr past and gave her the Chaos emerald she has in the present.
Which was dumb since it means there were two versons of the same emerald for at least 6 to 8 years
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>>580567174
Not how the emeralds work.
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SHURUP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
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>>580567237
Than the whole Sonic series makes no sense.
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>>580567174
it's a plothole in sonic 06's story.
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Go play Reignition
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>>580567440
But I've already played Secret Rings, unlike most people here.
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Remember: where there's Tails, there's Fails!
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Douge
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>just Secret Rings with decent controls
yeah bro gonna have fun playing subway surfers
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>>580567319
The emeralds are 5D.
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>>580567332
Honestly with all the shifting around time the emeralds do in 06, you would need a diagram to find out where they are in relations with the rest of the series.
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>>580566931
oh great more whispangle slop.
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>>580567501
Pedo ship
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>>580567728
40+ old man with a 17 girl
agree
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>>580566745
my mattresswife
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Been playing Project Reignition. I barely remember anything from Secret Rings besides some levels and the final boss. I liked it enough that I rented it a few times from Blockbuster but overall I just memory holed this game.
I'm really shocked by how much fun I'm having with this. There are some moments where the level design gets iffy because it was made as an on rails runner (and thank god you can turn that off and make him control more like the other boost games in this remake) but overall I'm enjoying it a ton. It feels like a prototype of Unleashed, and you can see a ton of the future games' DNA in here, especially Colors which doesn't surprise me since it was by the same team.
The OST is also amazing, not just the vocal themes I'm talking about a lot of the instrumentals that play in the side missions. Some good underrated shit in there. A shame the original Secret Rings was ass, if we got this back in 2007 it might have been looked back extremely fondly.

I hope he goes on to do Black Knight, never played it but would be willing to now.
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>>580567830
it's an 18 year old girl with a 15 year old boy who's experienced less than 5 years of life. pedo shit
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>>580567548
having decent controls wouldn't need to be a positive if the original had them
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iona!
Stacyiona
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>>580567632
not at all, if you use picrel as the source of canon then it is a plot hole. the story is not well thought of.
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Whats her playstyle?
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>>580568451
shlicking, watching youtube, napping, shlicking, watching youtube, eating, shlicking, napping, shlicking, eating, watching youtube, shlicking, napping, shlicking
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lets be honest
would you quit sonic if the next game is boostshit?
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Whats even the appeal of tamers anyway?
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Sonic's wife is so cute
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>>580567851
Shadow...
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>>580568720
No one here's quitting until Sega stop making Sonic games.
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>Game called "Sonic the Hedgehog".
>Least relevant character in the story compared to Shadow and the new OC from the future.
What did they mean by this?
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>>580569046
..we were so close to true freedom...
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>>580566931
>Tangle and Whisper arc
My eyelids are already feeling heavy.
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>>580567174
That's better than having the other emerald not exist because that would mean none of Sonic's adventures prior can happen because there would be only 6 of them.
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>>580566931
>an arc that isn't silver or blaze
You have my attention
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Sticks 2026
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>>580567078
Probably 2028
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The identity of the cloaked guy will not by worth all these boring issues.
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>>580569734
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>>580568720
I'm quitting if the next game is just more empty landscapes with platforms randomly scattered throughout the hub world like how it was in Frontiers
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>>580570046
So coool! I wanna be her!
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>>580566931
They should bring in Triple H to stretch this storyline out for several more issues
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Sonic the Hedgehog felt like a legacy title in 06. Like "Yugioh" even though Yugi isn't there and he's still the king of games
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>>580570521
oh that's easy. just run off into the woods, dig a hole, and live there with a tinfoil hat on your head! when you get hungry, sneak into town and wait near a drive-thru for someone who ordered a bunch of meals, then rush past, grabbing the meals just as they hand them over.
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>>580570641
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>>580570641
Kek. You're not too far off. Shadow and Silver feel like what the devs want to do but can't because they have to use Sonic
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>>580571501
I thought it was mostly Sonic's story being repetitive and not really having good development.
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sonic 06 looks so good to this day
i hate gaytendo and sega being retarded soo much
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fans are longing for the dumpster fire after almost 20 years of slop. lets goooooooo
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fans are longing fo-mmmpphhhh?
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>>580571886
typical woman behavior
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>>580571407
I've heard this about a lot of Japanese companies. They hit on something that works, but then refuse to believe that anything outside their board room has changed even after being handed proof.
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If Yuji Naka remained in charge of Sonic after 06 the meta era wouldn't have happened but the games would have still been very bad.
He also wouldn't have greenlit a canon spinoff comic like IDW
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>>580572972
He wouldn't have allowed the franchise to be in the terrible state it is in right now. He would've saved it. I miss him. Iizuka is a pathetic coward with no spine. He gets stepped on like a doormat by SOA all the time and SOA ends up ruining the games
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>Starts airing on SatAM's 33rd anniversary on mornings
Start posting like it's 1993
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Sonic and Surge
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>>580572972
Naka probably would've wiped his ass with some of the meta era scripts if he was in still charge.
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>>580573359
That's a lot of faith in a man who fucked everything up.
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>>580573359
Iizuka isn't a complete doormat. People don't give him enough credit.
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The movie characterizations are officially mandate safe. The entire issue uses the movie personalities for everyone.
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>>580573526
It was Sega's fault, not Yuji Naka's. They forced him to release 06 unpolished and rushed for the holidays. Yuji Naka also had a long term vision for the franchise while Iizuka doesn't know where to take it
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>>580573705
>They forced him to
he left before it released though
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yuji naka would have made more slutty humans when the people yearn for more slutty hedgehogs
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>>580573872
We want slutty badgers here, actually.
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>>580573641
When has he ever pushed back on SOA? Right now, they're getting away with erasing Amy's love for Sonic in the English dubs and they're also making the English dialogue very different from the Japanese dialogue. We saw this clearly in Crossworlds.
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anons, when's the next BOC chapter coming out?
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>>580573872
that's not a hedgehog
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>>580572972
It's likely Naka would have finished killing it. What a blessed timeline that would have been.
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Yuji Naka wouldn't have sent dollar-store lawyers to fight Penders.
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>>580574086
That's very offensive and also racist.
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>>580574292
>Yuji Naka hearing an american trying to claim he owns part of Sonic
that wouldn't end well
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I hope I can be like this when I'm older
https://youtube.com/watch?v=K_AyVXJvDc4
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Amy should have writing like Uwuver.
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>>580573776
All Sega's fault. They refused to give the 06 crew a bigger budget. Why would Naoto Ohshima say that Takashi Iizuka is pushing back against SOA all by himself? He still has Sonic Team veterans like Kazuyuki Hoshino, Shun Nakamura, Sachiko Kawamura, and Morio Kishimoto to help him push back
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>>580574292
Actually, Penders wouldn't even sue SEGA because Chronicles would never have happened under Naka.
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It's Sega's fault for demanding Sonic Team make a new game on new hardware in less than a year, AND THEN they had the gall to cut off a third of said dev team to put them on Secret Rings while still demanding 06 be out for Christmas
They made all the fucking wrong choices
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>>580574635
That's true. He threw a hissy fit over XTreme and now we know he basically gutted the game halfway through development anyways
He would have never allowed Chronicles to exist
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>>580574635
penders is a nutjob. he'd have been a problem eventually
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>>580574467
Isn't it more racist to call a bandicoot a hedgehog?
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>>580574793
Penders has worked since he was hired, and for over a decade while Naka was around, and he was never a problem. Naka was the kind of autist that if Penders tried something, he would crush him,m even if he had to use his own pocket money to do so. That's the reason the SoA president hated Naka.
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>>580574702
>AND THEN they had the gall to cut off a third of said dev team to put them on Secret Rings while still demanding 06 be out for Christmas
They were supposed to be making a Wii version of 06 until they realized it just wasn't fucking possible, so Secret Rings was them salvaging whatever they had. But yes, Sega should have just cut off 06 on Wii and went all in on finishing the HD game they were making.
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why are people defending sega when this dogshit company was ready to 06's frontiers?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS4uhm-yLpo
G'night
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The Wii being so similar to the GCN could have been a saving grace had they focused only on it and the PS2
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Naka allowed Archie to exist as it was. Iizuka forced Archie to be brand compliant and kill Sonally. Ultimately culminating in rebootchie's mandates which live on today in IDW much to the western writer's hatred. I don't see a world in which Naka is more successful at strong arming SEGA of America than Iizuka has been.
Penders has said that Naka era Sonic Team basically didn't give a fuck about Archie. Some of the worst shit at Archie like the shipping and keeping Sally alive only happened because Sonic Team wouldn't help Penders push back against Archie Comics editorial.
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>>580576374
Did Penders literally ask Sonic Team to help him and then they didn't, leading to Archie and all the clusterfuck stuff to happen
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>>580576374
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>>580576374
The trick with Naka is that he didn't care about Archie at all, so for his entire tenure at Sonic Team Archie could do whatever it wanted and would always be that weird spinoff Sonic comic
Under Iizuka the western stuff is still weird but now has a sega coat of paint
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>>580576374
Why doesn't Iizuka push back against what SOA is doing to Amy? Is he actually pushing back or does he gullibly trust SOA and the lore team to handle Amy well?
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>>580576503
kind of
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>>580576552
Because Iizuka doesn't care about Sonamy or any Sonic ship really. There's a reason he's basically mandated zero romance in the western stuff. If anything, it might be a precaution to prevent the western writer's from making Amy a slut like they did Sally, Fiona, and Mina.
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>>580576745
You are half right
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>>580576374
SOA was trying the hardest to shoehorn s*lly and satamshit into games.Naka the hero killed all of that
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"Sonic is like the Wind" means different things from different Sega people
From Naka it means "Sonic wouldn't marry one of those stupid fucking foids like my bitch wife"
With Oshima it means "Sonic is a spiritual fairy who can't be tied down by earthly relationships"
with Ian Flynn it means "Sonic is a schizoid who wants to keep Eggman alive because it's fun"
With Evan it means "Sonic is a freakish trickster who will murder an innocent person for his own amusement"
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>>580576896
Explain the Evan one. I don't remember her writing being that interesting.
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>>580573392
>A new generation of people that want to fuck a squirrel
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>>580573872
>>580574467
That's a Bandicoot. A cursed species.
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>>580576896
How the fuck did the western woman end up being closer than the western man?
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>>580576958
Belle
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>>580577029
>MeTV
>New generation
Anon, I... That's the boomer channel for what your dad thought was cool. They play the Golden Girls and M*A*S*H.
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>>580577162
When does he murder Belle? What? Are we reading the same comic?
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>>580577029
SatAMfags are indeed raising next gen tho.
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>>580577169
okay but MASH is fucking awesome, please don't slander it.
Golden Girls is good too, so like...
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>>580576745
>If anything, it might be a precaution to prevent the western writer's from making Amy a slut like they did Sally, Fiona, and Mina.
I'm willing to believe this. Even now, they made the lemur and the wolf and tried to make them lesbians. Western writers seem determined to write any romantic angle into the series except the ones that are in the games.
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>>580577286
>he's going to grow up to be Rotorfag
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>>580577375
Past midnight. Let's get you in bed, unc.
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>>580577375
I never watched MASH but I did discover Golden Girls recently. If I had known how good it was, I would have watched it sooner
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>>580577606
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>>580577375
What is MASH?
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>>580577917
Korean War military hospital sitcom, I think is probably the best way to describe it. Not the best war sitcom in my opinion - Hogan's Heroes is my favorite - it was extremely popular however and its finale was like the most watched tv show episode for quite a while.
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>>580576552
Zukes doesn't care about Amy. Hoshino is the only one stanning his daughter.
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I'm going to bed
good night uncs
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>>580578050
What is AfterMASH?
I appreciate the genuine answer, I already knew but I've never watched it.
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>>580578372
sleep well, friend
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sex with perci and staci
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>>580566113
I just saw this movie. They weren't actually like Sonic and Surge but they were like how Sonic and Surge are in fanart except if Sonic was the one getting harassed and raped
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They should bring back Doctor Deep.
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>>580576745
Even if he's a tasteless buzzkill who thinks romance is lame, Amy's love for Sonic still matters to her character and he's supposed to ensure that she's being written faithfully
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Iizuka openly insulted Archie and the dic cartoons for getting Sonic's personality wrong. Ironic that since he became in charge the only thing he fixed was romance
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>>580578317
How can Hoshino not know about what SOA is doing to Amy? He speaks some English and regularly uses his Twitter account. Is he afraid of speaking out?
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>>580580206
Did he also insult Sonic Boom? It also got Sonic's personality wrong
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>>580580493
Not publicly but the creators of boom said he hates it
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you guys thought the bad future Sage stuff was auraver...
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>>580566113
Ian:people want green violent edgelord girl failures who want to destroy the protagonist
Crickets
Marvel: PEOPLE WANT GREEN VIOLENT EDGELORD GIRL FAILURES WHO WANT TO DESTROY THE PROTAGONIST
Applause
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>>580580493
There was a whole article about it.
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>>580581028
I love Iizuka's shadow autism so much
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hot take: Sonic's personality in Boom wasn't that ooc compared to other renditions. The difference was external; he lived in an island paradise and Eggman was a joke, so no need to be concerned about the end of the world or whatever. He was taking his earned vacation.
speaking only of the tv show. idgaf about the boom video game
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>>580581248
Hot take. Movie Sonic isn't OOC. He's Sonic but traumatized. For the three minutes where Longclaw is alive he is completely in-character as a child Sonic
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Can you guys post more about Sonic's green wife
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>>580581440
Yeah, that's about right. The movies are as much an origin story for him as they are for Eggman. An extremely isolated kid learning how to have friends and family and be (close to) the Sonic from the games.
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>Sonic: WIND
>Sally: stop...
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I love Sonic's green wife.
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>>580502845
Why do you assume some random anon made me leave this general. I’m just dealing with an old hyperfixation and been kinda busy. I still check this general sometimes.
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>>580581868
Penders Sally would have murdered him for this
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>>580581970
and who the fuck are you.
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>>580581970
Shadally won
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Duofag won. Shadally won. Sonurge won.
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>>580571407
>Naka argued that nobody would ever say anything derogatory about Sega and least of all these kinds of words, says Moore. Naka was convinced that the data must be in some way faked or contrived or manipulated.
Yet Nakafags still exist. I wonder what they see in this moron
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Why is Sticks paranoid about government conspiracies in Boom when there is no G.U.N or government?
Shadow existing means there has to be a Space Colony Ark, right?
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>>580582406
>Naka: LEAVE BIG CORPO ALONE!!!!
>Also Naka: Do we get paid for overtime? no? WE'RE OUTTA HERE
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>>580582520
careful, just by asking those questions, you've thought more about the continuity and canon of Boom than anyone actually involved with the show.
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>>580580206
>Archie Sonic and SatAM Sonic are OOC
>>How
>Their Sonic is into romance
>>...that's it?
>Yes
There are sonamyfags who genuinely believe they are getting some sonamy next April
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>>580582520
>>580582612
Boom writers were not allowed to talk about Shadow's past in any way
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Is there an actual reason to like Naka? He was resistant to western stuff but he also didn't oversee it like Iizuka did.
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>>580582040
>>580582062
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>>580582692
Sonamyfags don't get that the movies also have to slow strict mandates. They just don't think so because of how ooc they are.
If Ian wanted he would be allowed to use the movie personalities and Sega wouldn't stop him. See the latest Sonic vs Godzilla issue.
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>>580573689
Every time Sonic says something about "doing the hero thing", a tower in NYC collapses.
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>>580582697
I was searching for "yuji naka" in the archive to find >>580571407 and the seethe I found was people arguing about sonic x-treme and some angry sonamyfags
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>>580582837
>some angry sonamyfags
Some?
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>>580582946
just search for "yuji naka" in the archives
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>>580582697
No. Everyone who talks about Naka says he is a horrible person.
>In a bizarre move Sonic co-creator and former head of Sonic Team Yuji Naka has shared an old photograph in which his former colleague Naoto Ohshima has been blocked-out. Ohshima is regarded as the co-creator of Sonic the Hedgehog, having come up with the character's visual design based on a Naka-programmed tech demo featuring a ball.
>Naka had posted the picture to celebrate the 26th anniversary of NiGHTS being announced, a beloved Sonic Team game that Ohshima both designed and directed. As can be seen, Ohshima has been inexpertly blocked- out of the picture, leaving only a black silhouette
People say that, at least, he cares about gameplay, but his idea of gameplay is putting everything in one single button. So those claims are quite odd.
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I wish Naka comes back to sega soon and bring honor to Sonic
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>>580566931
>another "deconstruction" that will go nowhere
YOOOOOO HYPE
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>>580583017
>"Everyone"
>posts about one guy.
Meanwhile, Sonic Team and SoJ employees still like him.
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>>580583309
What's even the deconstruction there?
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>>580583430
That one guy really shows off his pettiness and childish behaviour
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>>580582697
naka wouldn't mind referencing western stuff sometimes. there are scans of archie in mega collection plus. also mentioned on its website. sega still keeps landing pages of their old games online 20 years later.
meanwhile iizuka would try to bury everything he doesn't like
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>>580583567
Maybe Ohshima shouldn't have backstabbed him. He sided with Square Enix.
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>>580583624
character bio from Sonic's pov
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>>580583624
Sonic boom and the films happened despite his disdain for the project. He does what he has to do even if he doesn't like it. It's called working as a team, something Naka will never understand
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>>580583624
Naka knew that stuff wasn't canon and mostly ignored them. Iizuka has this weird complex where something not canon shouldn't exist or be part of a bigger canon for synergy.
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>>580583624
there's a flash version of sonic 1991. with very bad physics
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>>580583782
... and then Iizuka admits Boom almost killed the franchise by putting it at its lowest point. Looks like "working as a team" did jackshit in that regard lol.
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>>580583912
it's only greenhill zone act 1
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>>580583136
Naka would straight up make every single game that was made after he left non-canon.
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>>580584091
ummm based?
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Just got sucked and fucked a cunt FUCK why didn't you guys tell me sex was so good? Could've been a pussy connoisseur instead of playing Sonic games! Anyway rank Sonic girls by how good you think they'd be in bed.
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>>580583935
Sonic was in the gutter, before Boom and after Boom. They took a risk and it failed, they tried the same with the film and it worked.
Naka took a risk and made Balan. It failed and now he is a convicted felon with a bad reputation. Hmmm seems like working as a team has some perks after all.
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>>580584091
That’s actually pretty cool
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>>580584240
>making shit up about Naka again
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Do you hate dubs enough to wish or celebrate some VA death like /a/?
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>>580584410
no, that’s dumb
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Naka Yuji? More like Naka Dashi!
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>>580584306
Ok here is something you can verify yourself.
Ohshima worked to make Sonic Superstar in 2023. The last time Naka worked on a Sonic game was in 2006. Ohshima still have connections with Sega while Naka seethe and shart on Twitter.
SUCK IT NAKA APOLOGIST LMAO
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>Naka remakes 06 the way he wanted it before he was fired and then tells the japanese and the gaijin to disregard everything in the timeline after it.
>Sonic Wiki editors have a meltdown because 80% of their information is now worthless.
>A retired Iizuka comes clean and says he hated every Sonic game he was left in charge of and he's glad this happened.
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THE HONEYED FIGHTER: THE GOLDEN PUSSY..
HONEY THE CAT!!
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>>580566429
If silver was the romance for Elise then he wouldn't sruvive the vault considering how people were to her and sonic x human stuff back then.
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>>580584850
>>580566429

It also doesn't give a reason for sonic to exist in the story
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>>580584641
>Game version of SGW
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If only Naka worked in Frontiers…
Goty definitely
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>>580585132
>Wiki has to split Game Sonic's article into two categories like Archie Sonic's.
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>>580585290
>Press a to jump
>Press a to kick
>Press a to punch
>Press a to spin dash
>Press a to homing attack
>Press a to parry
>Press a to run
>Press a to cyloop
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>>580584641
>>Naka remakes 06 the way he wanted it before he was fired and then tells the japanese and the gaijin to disregard everything in the timeline after it.

You know, since the 06 story deletes the timeline, it would be fitting.
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>>580585508
See?
Totally a GOTY
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>Modern Sonic gets the Dragon Ball GT treatment.
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Can you imagine the state of Sonic if it was a Sony exclusive right now? I can't believe Sega is going to outlive Sony in the long run
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>>580585446
I'd dread the day Sonic Wiki pulls a Wookieepedia. The autism would be off the charts. Sonic fans will not recover.
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>>580585776
Even modern Dragon ball knows GT > everything that came afterwards
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>>580585793
>americans get in control of sony
>they kill sony

And people want to have SoA in charge of things.
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Sonic is cute
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>>580586090
SS4 Goku will remain his best transformation in my eyes
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>>580586170
They know SoA will actually kill Sonic and will finally be free.
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>>580586090
They looked at SS4 and removed everything that made that design cool as fuck...
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>>580586254
>finally be free

You know that's not true.
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3S kino
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>>580586427
Well, Toryama died before he could finish it, so probably that was Toyo's idea.
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>>580586518
They're trying to force Amy as the fourth.
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>>580586576
Finally team Sass
We already know Amy has no chaos energy powers in the movie, she will never get a super form
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>>580586723
She'll get a hyper form instead
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>>580580527
I love dynamic poses...

Also good morning from evropa.
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>>580587058
Hello across-the-pond-iona.
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Only a Sonic Unleashed Remaster can save us now.
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>>580587357
>across-the-pond-iona.
Old-worldiona?
Hello, New-worldiona!
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It's raining a lot.
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>>580587653
Thank god, the hot weather is over
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>>580587545
>remaster
Any actual new content? No? I’ll stick to the recomp, thanks.
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What does it do?
Do you think they will revert lvl 4 invincibility nerfs on the anniversary now that hyper ring engine is faster?
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Is someone gonna fuck the pipebomb rat
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>>580587830
>Any actual new content?
Uhh, there will be an Amy mode where you use tarot cards, some other lame stuff and Hammer Jump to do a bunch of fetch quests and minigames!
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>>580587591
New world? Old world? But two-worlds was retconned, fionafriend! We only have one world to take care of...
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>>580587939
Hey buddy I think you've got the wrong thread. /trash/ is two doors down.
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>>580587979
Who the fuck wrote this lore, dude?

Lizuka, LIZUKA COME HERE I WANT TO TALK...
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>>580588037
The trash thread is slow right now so just reposting it here, also wasn’t she first posted in an oc contest here or something?
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>two fionas, one world
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wasn’t there talk of godzilla x sonic crossover or something going on
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>>580588216
Godzilla the lizard
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>ERM ACKSHUALEE, THEY'RE AIR SHOES
I'm sorry, what the fuck do you think skate-type Extreme Gear are?
Air Shoes, shoes that lift the user off of the ground through air jets.
Rocket Skates sounds cooler, you wouldn't call ice skates "ice shoes" or roller skates "rolling shoes".
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somebody once told me that all the felines are the indians of the sonic world (Blaze is literally a dothead) and that thought has haunted me
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>>580587757
True. The only problem is when raining every day and how bad it is for clothes to dry.
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>>580588386
Rolling Shoes sounds like something the british would say.
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>>580588486
floaty pumps
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>>580587979
goodiona pouty that badiona stole her ribbon
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>>580588486
>>580588591
Heelys are an actual thing, but they've fallen out of style like soap shoes have and they only have one wheel on each shoe, guess where.
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Today 11 september i shall remind (You) that chaos flooding station square and killing millions was an inside job.
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>>580588417
Because of Budhism indian story has a great impact on Japan, so creative people don't see India as people see it today, is more like a story or mythology. You can see that a lot of Japanese stories have an India-like character. One famous one in the West is Tenchi Muyo.
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>>580588970
sex with marine
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>>580588947
those fell out of style? and so did soap shoes? so what's in style? sandals?
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>>580588591
>tazmania ref
I wonder what caused the show to gain a lot of popularity back in the past 2 years or so, was it showing on tv again that did this?
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>>580589065
you can't
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>>580589170
why not
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>>580589073
shoes with Knuckles' chest mark on them
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>>580589073
>HLS/Heelys bought Soap shoes
Next Sonic game needs to have Heelys endorsement.
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>>580589158
Was it? I've been feeling a little nostalgic after watching coyote vs acme so I decided to rewatch old cartoons at my own discretion.
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>>580589619
>Taz-mania
Good choice. Underrated series. "Of Bushrats and Hugh" is one of the best episodes.
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>>580589619
Yeah, it’s been back on tv for the past year or so via MeTV toons
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>>580589942
The whole series was also on Tubi for a time. Not anymore unfortunately.
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>>580589942
I've seen their catalog and I'm really jealous. reminds me of my local TV 20 years ago. used to air a lot of hannah barbera, old wb cartoons and dic sonic. also dubbed anime sometimes.
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>>580588386
Ian, if they were rockets, Shadow would either be burning the ground or blasting around the stage when he uses them.
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Sonic with tits his it's 60k goal and will get a selfie mode. This'll make it easier to look at Lina's cleavage.
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>>580583624
>>580583771
link
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>>580590438
Yeah including some stuff that otherwise wouldn’t get a restoration, or generally some of the best quality for certain cartoons, though it’s frustrating that it’s the only good place for screencaps on them for example: superfriends (and also Linus the Lionhearted). Still surprised that they nor anybody else has released any of the Jay Ward shows in HD yet, considering how long you could run some of them without reruns
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>>580590668
megacollection plus: https://sonic.sega.jp/megacolleplus/
shadow: https://sonic.sega.jp/shadow/
rush: https://sonic.sega.jp/rush/
chronicles: https://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChronicles/
riders: https://sonic.sega.jp/riders/
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>>580588970
Rush adventure japanese translation in 2 days...
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>>580590928
Made me kek
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>>580591138
>>580591216
Digging up some dark past, anon?
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>>580588970
You weren't even there, get off 4chan, Sticks.
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>>580591138
Cute n nostalgic
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>>580591996
That tile bg feels familiar. I might have been to that site
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All this old website shit makes me wonder if anyone still uses Usenet? Also, why does it cost money?
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>>580566931
Says alot about the comic that just getting to the issue #100 milestone is what they have to look forward to the most
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IDW still sucks.
Latest issue sucked, no one cares about SHITver or Blaze (two of the worst characters in the franchise).
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>>580592042
>conpyright
beautiful
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>>580592990
It's because they know the comic is getting cancelled soon.
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>>580593339
what comes next?
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When's the preview of 90
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>>580593656
Who cares about that shitty comic
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>>580593807
I only really care because i am curious about silver, blaze and blackwood.
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>>580590452
Omega and Blaze don't burn shit when they go fast, so no, they wouldn't.
What tactical purpose do orange lights serve, and why do those orange lights turn purple when he's Super Shadow?
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>>580589418
I wouldn't mind if Sonic had different shoes from time to time if it means we can more cool shoe designs like the soap shoes
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Old web posting makes me feel homesick..
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>>580594992
Why does Rotor look evil here?
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>there is this pink hedgehog with no super powers, nobody likes playing as her
>we need to maker her more proactive capable person, and if she is a little OP I don't give a shit, I don't care
>We will cut other stuff, we are gonna mker her playable
if you had a time machine, would you cut Amy from existence?
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>>580595537
I would keep Amy and delete them instead
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>>580595690
based
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>>580595690
they didn't take any dev time. Meanwhile Amy
>get a redesign
>multiple changes in personality
>different powers in every game, we still don't know if she can predict the future with the cards
she was a mistake
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>>580595909

I like them but Silver did take dev time, he has the most unfinshed story/campaign in 06. well that's the fault of bad business than a character but.
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>>580596206
Silver took dev time for the dame he was created. Amy takes extra dev time like a black hole in every game she is involved
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Which one best describes Sonic's role in game stories, usually?
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>>580595909
>got a redesign
Along with Sonic

>multiple changes in personality
Every other character has had this whether through translation or otherwise

>different powers in every game
Again, every other character has done the same

>she was a mistake
Not to the level of those two where everything regarding them is a needless clusterfuck
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>>580596424
Left. Ian used to think it was the right and was surprised when told Sonic wasn't.
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>>580596424
Because he likes adventure, Sonic is reactive and doesn't look for adventure.
:)
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>>580596424
Sonic is proactive at being reactive
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Surge's last name is Adventure
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>>580595479
Rotor was always evil, you just never noticed
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>>580596424
Sonic is reactive
Silver is proactive
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>>580597043
but what about shadow? Does he just follow GUN orders like a good soldier?
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>>580597119
Shadow has his own motives, he just teams up with those who brings Shadow closer to his own personal goal
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>>580596206
>>580596380
Unpopular opinion but 06 should have just had Sonic, Shadow and Silver as the only playable characters. 3 characters is already diffcult enough to design a whole game around, making sure they control well, having the level design accomidates for their moveset and creating enough levels for them in general
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>>580598192
It should have been only two campaigns and two hedgehogs. You could cut off so much extra fat in dev time by doing that
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>>580598192
You should be able to switch between Tails, Sonic and Knuckles, but when it comes to battling they should all work together as one. That way you don't have to make 3 different movesets
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>>580598192

I'd kinda like the sync attack ideas if they were implemented, other than that it could be better but 06 was doomed either way unless they had more time or more people.

P-06 is still being updated at least
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>>580597119
>>580597405
Shadow only gets involved if Sonic can't get the job done or if someone makes it personal, outside of that someone has to tell him about shit that he may or may not be interested in and if he is then he's in, if not, fuck off.
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>>580599415
So Shadow just sits around doing nothing all day
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>>580599670
Brooding mostly, but yes, that's why he doesn't do much, he simply doesn't want to and his help is usually unnecessary.
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the japanese shall know archie
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>>580588386
Air Skates sound cooler 'cause that's more accurate. And cool.
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>>580594176
Shadow has an orange-ish aura because it's Sonic's blue aura inverted
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>>580596514
Because ameritards associate "proactiveness" with "muh agency" and "being in control" even though they aren't inherent
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>>580596424
Sonic is reactive. Amy is proactive.
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>>580566113
I don't get it desu
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>>580599670
Shadow is usually just dramatically roaming fhe land like a ronin or something.
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>>580601534
In fairness, Most American media supports this. South Parks a good example where the mostly reactive characters like Crag and Token are boring drags while Eric Cartman is the most fun cause he's always doing shit.
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>>580601758
Eric is fun because he is a mostly unrepentant douche. Most of the time the stuff he is doing doesn't matter.

It's like 06. Sonic's story is technically ghe most important one and has him doing anything of lasting positive consequence. But Silver and Shadow are doing shit people care about so people say Sonic doesnt do anything.

Amy is proactive but people claim she doesn't do anything because they dont care about the shit she does.

Sonic just fucks around until someone or something happens around him and then he goes "i dont like that" and stops it. Either that or someone asks for his help.
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>>580601646
Nah both Sonic and Amy does whatever comes to them naturally
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>>580602306
But Amy actively looks for Sonic or actively pushes people to go look for help or find their family or save fhe day or ditch Eggman, etc
She imposes herself. Girl's a pushy go-getter.
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>>580601754
This would have worked better if the first thing we saw of him post Shadow The Hedgehog wasn't him following orders from G.U.N command.
If Izuka wanted us to see Shadow as this lone Cowboy/ Ronin character instead of a Solder, he should have just shown up by coincidence and then helped out cause that's just who he is, even if it would have been identical to Sonic's opening.
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SHOUNNENNNNN
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>>580602985
Everyone in picrel fucks bratty tsunderes
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>>580603051
Chi-chi may be a bitch but she's pretty far from a Tsundere, Considering how open she was about marrying Goku, Same deal with Amy too. Ignoring the latest movie, Spidey's lovelife is all over the place since one more day so who cares and I don't even know if X even has a girlfriend.
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ARRIGHT LE'S DO DIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1R_C2fjojQ
Who will challenge me? FIONAR!
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>>580602752
>Iizuka: Shadow is a dangerous character who doesn't care what happens to anyone as long as his goal is achieved. Shadow is not a righteous hero, so even if someone is in trouble on the side of the road, he doesn't help them. That's the big difference between Sonic and Shadow. In addition to the opposite personalities of Sonic and Shadow, Shadow risked his life to protect the planet for his beloved Maria. His main goal is not justice, but protecting the planet that Maria loved. I think that these inner feelings are what makes Shadow so appealing.
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>>580604230
Your not really disproving the point, all you really are doing is regurgitating shit said in an interview.
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>>580603348
>Spidey's lovelife is all over the place
And now he fucks bratty tsunderes
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>>580604413
Shadow is not a righteous hero, so even if someone is in trouble on the side of the road, he doesn't help them.
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>>580604552
It's literally the same thing
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>>580604718
kill yourself already duio
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>>580602752

Shadow will join with G.U.N if it aligns with his goals, but he's not a permanent worker for them or anything
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>>580602752
We see it in the comic where Maria names him.
He just roams off on his bike after taking a snooze.
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>>580604702
So rather than actually argue the point, Instead you go for nitpicking the counter cause, mu lore and then present it as a counter to the entire argument, presumably cause your thick.
This might be a tad hypocritical but you type like your on the bad end of the spectrum.
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are you guys still on the same bullshit?
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>>580605128
Yes
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>>580604021
(You) and me inside a cage, until the floor is red.
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>>580601219
Except not for his shoes, because the air they shoot out of them is bright pink when he's Super Shadow, instead of the orange it would be if it was his aura.
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>>580605197
I see.
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>>580605119
Shadow is not a righteous hero.
Accept what his co-creator says or fuck off.
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fiona sexually assaulting silver mp4
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>>580605383
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>>580602585
Amy only does that when she sees people in need of help. Also Amy doesn't go looking for Sonic 24/7, she also likes just to go sightseeing
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>>580605210
Myself? Now THAT'S a challenge...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSNTzoYII10
Give it all (You)'ve GOT, Self...!
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*headpats your OC*
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>>580606141
Goodbye
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*farts on your OC*
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>>580606283
but we've only just begun
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I am your OC.
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>>580605503
>Amy only does that when she sees people in need of help.
Amy will force help on you whether you ask for it or not. Sonic hets asked for help or just does his thing and people follow him.
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>>580591996
I think I've been on that site before. I went on the Wayback Machine last month to check out old Sonic fansites I used to visit in the early, mid, and late 2000s out of nostalgia and curiosity to see how many of them were backed up on the Archive. Made me nearly tear up. The Internet used to be a much more diverse place.
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>>580604021
>>580605210
>>580605442
>>580605590
Is there any Archie characters that doesn't look like a garbage?
Human hair on animal characters is pure western furry autism
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>>580605368
That's not what I typed and you know it you fucking retard. I said that Shadows opening was wrong for the kind of character Shadows meant to be, I presented an alterative and then you proceeded to throw out the entire comment out the window cause my solution portrayed him as slightly heroic.
You didn't highlight the one bit you disagreed with, no, you just ignored everything cause said solution has a minor flaw and then proceeded to regurgitate dogma. And when I called you out on that, Rather than admit fault you continued to keep doing it cause you are also a lazy bastard who can't addmit fault.
Well go fuck yourself, if Iizuka thinks the same way you do, then no wonder this series has gone to complete shit. And it's not because Shadows a lone anti hero who's motivations have been static since-shthg you fucking sperg.
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>>580606624
*siiiip*
>drops tactical trvke
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>>580606624
I think the only character it looks good on is Honey, but that's because without it, you lose a large part of the homage.
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>Archiefaggots attacking Sonamy
Why am I not surprised?
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I know the bestie is present with us right now. and I know what hurts besties the most. sonamy being shit aside.
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This has been probbaly discussed before but who recorded Gerald in sa2
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>>580607071
You know you can filter keywords and images, right?
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>>580606624
there are plenty of Archie OCs with nice designs
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>>580605503
amy is proactive
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Redemptiona.
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>>580607651
>no humans
JP doesn't want them either.
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>>580607715
Kill yourself nigger.
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>>580607747
Facts don't care about your feelings.
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>>580607816
They draw Maria constantly. There's even someone who draws Chris getting molested by Sonic.
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>>580607715
who the fuck even comes to Sonic for the humans?
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>>580607860
I am not sure if fanart actually translates to popularity or sales, most casual fans don't draw.
The sonchris artist is literally one person.
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>>580607916
Humans are literally essential to the series. You're not supposed to self-insert as Sonic himself. If you do he becomes an insecure mentally ill loser faggot because Sonic fans are insecure mentally ill loser faggots
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I forgot those guys exist. they popped up on my github today, they're gonna be at SAGE 2026
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>>580607994
I think the point is less self-inserting or having humans as fav but moreso that sonic and the cast get to actually look unique instead of having recolors or simple blobs constantly everywhere. most human characters are either antagonists or one-offs so no wonder they aren't someone's fav in jpan.
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>defending idw background ocs
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>>580607994
This
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>>580608207
they're simply cuter
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>>580608269
fag
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>>580608269
You people ruin Sonic
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>>580608326
ouch
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IDWfags don't care about the adventure era. They're more about Frontiers and Crossworlds. They think the Adventure era is too edgy and grounded. They also don't like how the characters act more like mascots.
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>>580608269
They look like DeviantArt OCs.
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humanfags are becoming more and more like spindashfags
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Adventure fans treat IDW fans the same way Satam fans treated them
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>>580607651
this is what happens when you let fujos run wild
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>>580609121
weird implication
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>>580608207
Humans will always be better because they situate the Sonic characters as the special schrimblo friends they arent to be rather than just normies in a world where everyone is and can be a superpowered scrimble creature.
It's lame. Sonic is supposed to be like Goji or Doraemon. Now he just feels like some guy.
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>>580608207
They're cute
That's my entire defense
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>>580609202
This
IDW and Archie completely miss the point by trying to normalize Sonic into the world. OCfans miss the point because "it just looks cooler". Jingling keys mindset with no interest in themes or presentation
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>>580609202
THIS
This is why satam and idw and archie all SUCK ASS the sonic characters don't feel special
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The no humans thing is Sega of Japan's fault though. It's a Forces era mandate because they thought westerners hated human background characters. They lifted the mandate in 2022 but never changed the agreement with IDW so it's stuck with it forever

The DC comic is published by DC and has no such mandate. Same for Blade of Courage.
The two worlds mandate was also lifted in 2022.
We know this. It isn't a debate. These are confirmed things. Ian said multiple times that before Frontiers IDW was set on a literal second planet and that's why there are no humans.
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Humans will return when the story calls for them, and go away when they aren't needed, just like the 2000s
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>>580608596
SOVL
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>>580609425
Archie was literally set in a world where humans outnumber mobians
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>>580604021
>>580605210
>>580605590
Can this ugly whore just get raped already? and somebody make her swallow her unfashionable yellow bow.
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>>580608780
>adventure fans
It's like Unleashed/06 fans really.
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>>580609585
Let them feel victimized. The main series either includes humans or introduces weird aliens. Forces was an anomaly.
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>>580606141
thanks, *headpats YOUR OC*
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>>580609614
Funny how Vennie actually appeared in Archie before making this an instance of an Archie OC making a cameo in IDW
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how hard do you think he cums? i like imagining his face all red as he cums all over the sheets
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>>580609202
>arent to be
*meant to be
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Honeyfag you need to stop
Rape isn't funny. It happens to real people.
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>>580609279
>moar characterz!!°°°°°11111oneoneone
Shitty friends fags were right.
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>>580609718
Touch my body? Fine with me. Touch my bow? Find out, motherfucker.
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>>580609121
>>580609186

Anon, normal dudes also like the hedgehogs better because 4channers jacking off to random girl of the day are a minority.
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>>580610042
Sega of Japan mandates the official comic to look like a Tumblr fanfic for no other reason than to be consistent with the most poorly received Sonic game in the last 10 years
Sega is shit. Let Paramount Games develop a Sonic title.
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>>580610042
Rudens the Raccon is her name
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>>580610042
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>>580609537
I'm not convinced they lifted it. Feels like PR.
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>>580609537

If idw gets rbooted can humans return?
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>>580610042
>>580610235
Wait are they all OCs?
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>>580610286
Tyson Hesse and Pat Casey both said this was the case.
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>>580610315
renegotiations after 100
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>>580610315
If IDW gets rebooted it's 100% going to look like the DC crossover
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>>580610042
Garbage.
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>>580610042
>>580610235
>>580610247
No one here is straight or identifies with the gender assingned at birth
>>580610356
Yeah? What is that question even
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>>580609121
I dunno why you're implying male fans dont shill the hedgehog boys that look like Sonic that turn supersayain as well.
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Doesn't it concern you guys that Sonic Team cares so little about their own universe that they would completely change anything because they *thought* westerners hated it and then change it back once they realized how popular the Adventure era is? They don't care. But instead you spend all day ranting about Evan and Ian.
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>2003
>world full of blobians
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>>580610315
>waa waa i don't want idw i want archie 2.0
Go buy the fatass Penders' trash book then.
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>>580610403
Really? Sauce? :>
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>>580610485
>assigned at birth
*created at conception
you are either male or female from the very first cell division and it permanently rewires your brain forever
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>>580610594
AAAIIIEEEEE
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>>580610594
looks like shit im glad they changed it
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>>580610485
>Yeah?
Huh. Neat, I thought they were just randoms.
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>>580610594
holy shit
Aleena
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I hate Archieshit and IDWshit because I have a fetish for small hedgehog boys and tall human women
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>>580610286
>It's a Forces era mandate because they thought westerners hated human background characters
Not a crazy assumption, the human characters have very little presence outside their debut game.
The only human characters that stick around much are the Robotniks and they still aren't that popular, they're simply in well regard because of their relationship to the furries.

The furries get to stick around more, do the crazy flips and tricks, and beat up the bad guys. Of course people want more of that than watching a snotty human crying about their melodrama slightly off screen while looking at Sonic wide-eyed and lustfully.
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>>580610559
Or maybe the more logical conclusion is that they do care, but make changes to appeal to fans even if they dont agree because that's how it works?
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>>580610756
Is that Agent Willoughby
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>>580610498
see>>580610180(me)
Most people are either gooners or don't actually talk to casuals in 4chan so they inflate female characters popularity, I said that Silver might be more popular than rouge among normies and people coped about it saying it's because they can't market her with tits instead of casuals genuinely liking him, not even tails, knuckles or amy, rouge.
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>>580610594
>random pilot from a non-canon anime.
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>play Sonic, a game about a hedgehog
>doesn't want hedgehogs in his comics based on the game
???????????????
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>>580607651
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>>580610597
What makes you think i want archie
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>>580610772
>furries
Stop calling them that. You're mask is slipping. Dont get comfortable.
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>>580610939
Kill yourself ASAP
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>>580611005
The fact that you want what Archie did, forcing humans in the settings.
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>>580611016
Sorry, MOBIANS.
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>>580610968
boobies
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>>580610772
>Of course people want more of that than watching a snotty human crying about their melodrama slightly off screen while looking at Sonic wide-eyed and lustfully.
Anon....

Anyways, its a retarded argument. We dont play as the NPCs to begin with.
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>>580610169
Shut the fuck up and stop roleplaying as a female you testicles. She's owned by Eggman, she's a tool and a robot and a useless one at that that failed at her mission. The robot Sally was better at her job.
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>>580610610

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlgQIU2Qgu0
In this interview Tyson Hesse and Pat Casey clarify that the reason Sonic is an alien in the movies is because Sega of Japan insisted that he is canonically an alien in the games and that he cannot be from earth. They also explain that after fan backlash this was repealed in 2022.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7AmalU2ekBcKWc9D5j7524
At the 50 minute mark of this interview Pat Casey explains that Sega required Sonic to be an alien and that he cannot be from earth.

https://youtu.be/zAy7Aafs4lA?si=L0P7Q8Pzio-q2vqA&t=1599
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonicTheHedgehog/comments/82ay32/ian_flynn_confirms_two_worlds_canon_to_idw_sonic/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOx0fWjGoMU

In these links Ian explains thoroughly that Sega meant TWO PLANETS and that humans are from one planet and that mobians are from another. This was a Sega of Japan decision to fit with Sonic Forces and is a carryover that apparently came from Yuji Naka. This is explained in this link as well

http://www.tssznews.com/2018/03/21/idw-sonic-update-ian-flynn-elaborates-on-two-worlds-canon-talks-about-fleetway-content/
The link is dead but it's the best I can do.
So yes, Forces and IDW are set on a "mobius" like planet in an attempt to pander to a more western crowd and when they realized Adventure era fans hated it they undid it.

Sega of America was aware of the fact that fans would percieve 2 worlds as an attempt to pander to fans of the american spinoffs. Ian Flynn was aware that it didn't add up based on the Adventure games. Pat Casey and Jeff Fowler were aware that Sonic is not supposed to be an alien. This was Sega of Japan.
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>>580611040
MadonnaFags... how do we feel about ArchieMadonna?
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>>580610939
The post that angered the shitposters a lot.
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>>580607651
>>580610951
today I remind the delusional
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>>580610812
Rouge is more broadly recognizable but Silver is more popular.
Also people fapping to Rouge doesn't mean they actually like her as a character. Too many of these people only see her as tits and nothing else ans care more about whether or not she is makong their dick hard than how she is characterized. Its annoying.
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>>580611305
>mephiles ranked higher than Robotnik
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>>580610951
half of the characters were missing in crossworlds beta
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>>580610951
Jet in 3rd place be like
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>>580611396
Bitches love the hedgehogs.
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>>580611069
>furfag is an archiecuck
Not shocked.
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>>580611396
It's a japanese poll and it's Sonic, so of course the Shadow recolor from 2006 is going to somehow squeeze by
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>>580611468
Archie was a mistake. I'm glad IDW is a lot better than it.
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why do wom*n want the be brainwashed
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>>580611523
...and other lies to cope with
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baiting has already started it seems
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>>580611305
Not that it disproves that Shadow is the second most popular character, but I was in the thread where /sthg/ raided the 2018 poll. It's been a while but I think Shadow was barely ahead of Tails/Knuckles and linking it to /sthg/ pushed him up significantly. It was possible to vote multiple times with some method, I can't remember which.
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>>580611324
Honestly barely even more recognizable cuz a lot of shadowfans now are moviecomers which didn't use rouge.
I'd argue hed probably slowly get more popular than amy or tails in the west too if he gets in movies or the next game among newgens.
Yeah a lot of fans like characters more for aesthetics than anything else about them.
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>>580611209
I already knew about all this. I'm talking about whether it is actually changed or if it is just something they "say" without actually adjusting anything for PR reasons.
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I'm surprised people still argue about this when we have very clear answers from everyone involved. It's an unintentional mess. The Sonic world is still 99% human "officially". IDW and Forces look like that because they misunderstood what fans wanted. They snapped it back after getting yelled at but they just don't care to apply it to IDW and they aren't going to make human NPC models until they have to so you're stuck with the Forces NPCs. It's Sega being cheap and disorganized. The lore is not different from 2001 anymore. They consider this a mistake. This was talked about to death. Everyone at IDW agrees with the fans yelling at them and they have no choice.
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>>580611204
>She's owned by Robotnik, she's a tool and a robot and a useless one at that that failed at her mission.
Yet she's still going. That Maverick must be stopped.
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>>580611396
>>580611521

Japan likes rivalries, Mephiles also plays into the ''i am your shadow/darker side'' jungian mumbo jumbo. Eggman is a regular villain.
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>>580611523
>Archie was a mistake. I'm glad IDW is a lot better than it.
*SMACK*
>Ow
IT'S LITERALLY
*PUNCH*
THE SAME FUCKING IDIOTS
*KICK*
BEHIND SONIC ARCHIE
AND FURTHERMORE
*Takes the literal piss on you*

It's not the actual people behind Archie Andrews in charge of Sonic
Neither the best of IDW in charge of Sonic

If I was SEGA I would have blacklisted every single one and hired the actual quality people and not these bald fat talentless PAINT WATCHERS and PENCIL PUSHERS.
A stupid gen-Zombie like you who enjoys getting paid for doing nothing wouldn't even understand those insults.
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Don't care about ships
just want to fuck Sara's tits
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>>580611710
>we have very clear answers
We do? I thought it was all handwaved.
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>>580611636
Not even just aesthetic but whatever superficial thing they can assert based on it that makes the character seem important.

It's like how a lot of DBZfags claim Raditz was "wssted" since he dies at thebstart of Z just because he is technically "the brother of the MC".
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>>580611892
holy fucking based.
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>>580611662
It's PR. They aren't going to add human models to the games any time soon because it costs money. They aren't going to put human background characters in IDW ever because then they would probably have to renegotiate the style guide or something. Any amount of effort is a permanent stopping point on this issue. It will not be fixed unless the next major Sonic game is set on the mainland and has a larger budget than Frontiers. It's handwaves.
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>>580611892
Hi Discordfag. Hate to break it to you, but this isn't your pedo server here.
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>>580611597
>why do women want a situation where they can be absolved of responsibility for their actions
If you had been paying any attention to the news you would know this

This franchise needs less mindfuckery fetish bait, coercion, half-truths, and omitting of facts
>>
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>>580612294

This was the common theory but it's deconfirmed through the timeline, unused voice lines and other stuff. most likely the answer is that SOL emeralds called her to silver's future and her not interacting with sonic is explained by them having to trim content due to dev hell.
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>>580610042
Hot chick heaven
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you guys having a good day?
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>>580610042
>>580612658
Heh those uglies?

>>580612683
Are you people having a good friday night? Surely you're not alone on a Friday Night, right? that would be so predictable of you.
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>>580612683
Can it be...?
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>>580612294
>>580612567
The whole "Sol" thing of 06 is why Blaze inclusion doesn't feel random, there were some thought put into it. Cause 06 having so much sun/sol symbolism would be really weird and random otherwise, like why all the focus on sun and birds?
Also the fact that the "Sol" Dimension has a lot bird motif
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>>580612683
Moderately
Had to pay a lot for a doctor and meds today
Btw are you considering expanding your NSFW folder any time soon?
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>>580611897
Remember when we all argued about who Hope should fuck for 2 weeks?
Pepperidge Farms remembers
this place is so autistic
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>>580612889
>Surely you're not alone on a Friday Night, right?
I stopped playing Sonic and switched to Kirby co-cop with my best friend (who's a girl) and since then she's been sucking my dick every Friday game session. Does that make hwe my girlfriend now?
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Sonic's most interesting dynamic is with Amy, and that's probably by complete accident.
>at first Amy is just a normie fangirl that gets kidnapped, this irritates Sonic because she followed him into danger she couldn't handle
>Sonic doesn't dislike Amy herself, he just doesn't like what she does at all, not the chasing, not the uncontrollable physical contact and definitely not the getting kidnapped
>Amy recognizes this and trains to get stronger for pretty much the rest of the series as Sonic himself continues to get stronger
>Amy is now strong enough to keep up and defend herself, but has neglected to work on respecting Sonic's personal space, this irritates Sonic because she now has the power to reliably pursue him
>it gets to a point where Amy, in an attempt to prove how fast and strong she's gotten, attacks Sonic until he runs away from her because he doesn't want to hurt her
>the one time Sonic is too slow to outrun Amy she pushes him away and says he's not the one she's looking for, Sonic just lost something he didn't know he had and is visibly depressed
>when Amy speaks to Sonic after learning the truth, their relationship dramatically improves because Sonic now appreciates Amy as a friend who will stand by him no matter what
>only problem is the personal space bit, which she seems to be working on in Frontiers where she stops after Sonic lets her know when he's had enough of her hug
>they also have their first real argument where her issue with Sonic is him prioritizing her freedom over the closure the Koco desperately need in order to rest in peace
Not his most entertaining one though, that goes to his one with Rouge, I 'fuck with' it greatly.
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>>580613157
Yeah i don't think it's random either, also the whole timespace symbolism of Mephiles/Iblis Silver/Blaze. but people are going to think it's pointless either case because the game itself doesn't explain or make use of what these motifs imply for her. I honestly think Silver and Blaze should've had more interactions with Elise.
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>>580613321
It just makes (you) a futa, girlie
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>>580612889
it's Friday morning for me

>>580613137
yeah, how are ya?

>>580613164
I'm glad you were able to get them in the end, sucks that you to pay assuming they were covered before
>spoiler
I do, just been stuck working on other stuff since my free time has been nearly non-existent lately
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>>580612683
Yeah.
How you been? we missed you lol
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>>580613321
Kirby co-op is the easiest way to cheat your way into a gamer girl's pants.
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We don't talk enough about Jet's crush on Whisper
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>>580612683
>>580613164
>>580613723
Fuck off faggots
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>>580613723
>my free time has been nearly non-existent lately
Werent you on some holiday before you went silent
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>>580613365
06 is just a way harder game to digest lore and theme wise compared to SA1 and SA2. SoJ keep referencing 06 but they won't elaborate any further on it's lore or expand upon Silver and Blaze relationship any further despite that was the only thing about 06 that carried on into future games
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>>580614061
we should ignore it just like silver and the guardian angel bullshit
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>>580610951
>>580611419
>Jetfags need to manipulate the data to remain relevant
SAD
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>>580613321
if you do not know you should talk to her.
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>>580614157
So you prefer straight stuff?
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>>580614172
Fuck you. It was cute.
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>>580613798
glad to hear it
been well myself Kit friend, I've missed the threads so I've been making an effort to pop in more lately

>>580614170
yeah, I had a big move after that ended, it's been an adjustment to say the least
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>>580614265
4th wheel says what?
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>>580614347
Yeah I do
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>>580607994
I self-insert as Robotnik because I, too, have over 30 IQ.
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>>580612683
it barely started for me, waiting for a demo to release to play it before I go into work
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>>580614171
I think there probably was going to be more, there are at least 13 cutscenes not making it into the game with several of them being silver and blaze, Amy implied to go to future with silver and blaze in unused voice lines etc.

As for the silvaze duo, it missed its chance in 00s due to dev hell and silver not being a popular character, and nowadays shippers and blaze stans on twitter (which sonic team unfortunately reads) can weaponize virtue signalling as to why it's bad. so it's a slim chance for it to be elaborated on considering how much people pleasing sonic team and sega likes to act.
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>>580614265
>4th wheel lost to Cream
It's Joever
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>>580614863
Why didn't Shadow do anything?
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>>580615405
Sonic adventure two ended 3 months before 9/11 when he was in Eggmans custody. He was in stasis.
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>>580615405
Ic
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>>580613337
>Not his most entertaining one though, that goes to his one with Rouge, I 'fuck with' it greatly.
U just wanna fuck her through Sonic.
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Sonic and Rouge have a generic bickering dynamic and he isn't interested in fucking her
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I've been playing Spacemarine and I swear to god some of the Sonic lore purists here sound like Leandros when quoting the Codex.
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Sonic is mega punk rock and ultra cool.
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>>580615728
Neither is she interested. its literally just fucking around
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>>580615728
No shit, still makes their banter more fun than 90% of the other characters.
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>>580615728
This is literally Shadow and Rouge
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>>580610235
someone should make porn of him getting dicked down by sonic
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>>580616352
>him
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>>580616261
shadow doesn't bicker
he harrumphs
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>>580615828
There's no Sonic Codex, that's the problem. IDW has their own (based) canon, Archie is just Penders' shitty fanfic, and then it feels like every game has its own story.
>human exist and have big cities, and there's GUN and all
>woops suddenly humans don't exist anymore except for Robotnik
>but wait they exist again
>but not anymore lmao
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>>580610235
Sorry, SHE is Sega property now, and Sega does not condone trans.
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>>580616417
he's a trap
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Rubbing my cock against Silver's and Shadow's chest fur
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Rouge flirting responses
>Tails BSoD
>Espio is flustered
>Knuckles is pissed
>Shadow isn't phased
>Sonic flirts back with no less commitment, i.e. none
If Rouge flirted with Amy, she'd think Rouge was trying to trick her and she'd get as defensive as she'd be confused and unnerved.
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>>580616580
Personally, I vote for a complete reboot. Let's just start over with a properly worldbuilt world this time around.
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Sonic is Spider-man. He's a red and blue hero who saves the day and inspires everyone to become better. He has mandates that make him morally perfect but he's meant to be a cool cocky teen hero

Surge is Jean Grey. A rough street rat girl who was experimented on by scientists and when she escaped she took all of her rage out on Spider-man (Sonic). After she tried and failed to kill him she realized that he was right all along, fell in love with him AND was inspired to become a hero
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>>580616580
>There's no Sonic Codex, that's the problem
I feel like the reason why Sonic never had a bible in Japan is because in their eyes, it would self limit on what they could do with the series. Unfortunately since they were unwilling to create one, the west had to make their own bible which is why 90s Japanese and Western Sonic use to be so different. With Archie being the last stand as it was.
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>>580616078
>halflid-smirknic
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Japanese Sonic drools and American Sonic RULES
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>>580610594
It's officially called Mobius on Hulu
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>>580613365
Speaking of the Mephiles/Iblis and Silver/Blaze comparison
I have personally thought about a 06 rewritten scenario where Silver sealed Mephiles within himself (which would be how Silver gains his Chaos Control and Super state since it's never explained beyond he's another Male Hedgehog) like Blaze sealed Iblis and THAT'S why Silver and Blaze must be separated time and space apart cause them meeting each other would be the closest to Solaris ever being reborn again
Don't ask me how that would even make sense to the story unless there are 2 Mephileses. But I think that would be a way for the events of 06 to still carry a huge impact to the overall lore of the series
Could also explain why Silver keeps traveling back to the present cause the essence of Mephiles within Silver is like a curse that keep fucking up Silver's peaceful future. Mephiles influence basically makes it so that Silver has to keep going back to the present in the hopes of that he eventually meets Blaze so Mephiles finally has a chance of reuniting with his Iblis half

This is bunch of fanon fanfiction crap but if Sega won't give us anything that i'll make up lore stuff myself
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>>580616847
Don't you have anything better to do? You've been repeating this over and over and over and over and over and over again. Give it a rest, already.
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>>580616932
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>>580596424
sonic's narrative purpose is to smash rotten status quos. I don't know if you'd call a cannon ball proactive but that's what he is
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>>580617107
Don't reply to bots.
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>>580616737
Only if we get the best characters and ideas from every extended universe cartoon, comic and manga into one super cannon.
which does disqualify Princess Sally, Too much baggage attached to her character,
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>>580617107
Sonamyfags hate deep character analysis
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>>580616182
despite that, sonic is the one who still get his ass clapped
https://files.catbox.moe/unwop9.jpeg
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>>580616708
>Sonic flirts back with no less commitment, i.e. none
OoC
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>>580617249
Bro you've been repeating the same exact "analysis" on repeat continuously every single thread multiple times each. No new information is provided, you're just shouting "SONIC IS SPIDER-MAN, SURGE IS JEAN GRAY!!!" and fawning over your ship!!! Why!? Why do you need to post the exact same things multiple times over every single day!?

Whatever, it doesn't matter, do what you want, I guess.
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>>580616847
>He has mandates that make him morally perfect but he's meant to be a cool cocky teen hero
You could make the same argument about him being Superboy, But then you couldn't ship him with Jean.
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>>580616737
So... do literally what IDW did?

>>580616864
Well, there WAS a bible.
And it was fucking retarded.
>Sonic is actually an American pilot who reincarnated as a hedgehog
>and he has a human girlfriend
Fuck no.
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>>580617331
Oh, okay.
>Sonic flirts back with equally questionable sincerity
There we go, much better.
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>>580617428
Why are you against Sonurge?
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>>580617053

I have several problems with this but at least it's an actual attempt at rewriting instead of people replacing elise or blaze with other characters and calling it a day.
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>>580617638
Because it goes against who Sonic is as a character.
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>>580610756
This, but small hedgehog girls and tall human men (me).
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>>580617118
based ship, knuckles should be cracking sonic's ass with his four-headed dick
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>>580617576
IDW didn't restart everything. They still are lugging along 06, Rush, Forces, Colors, Lost World...
I'm talking more like what the movies have done
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>>580617804
Surge too, let’s not forget that enemies to lovers is a meme trope
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>>580617576
>Sonic is actually an American pilot who reincarnated as a hedgehog
>and he has a human girlfriend
Considering that backstory was dropped with the closest its been to cannon was when it was referenced in the sonic manga "which is also non cannon" I'm gonna say Sega of Japans "Bible" was irrelevant.
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>>580617118
Think about your ancestors knuckles, don't do it
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>>580617804
How does Sonurge go against Sonic? He inspires her while seeking fun an adventure. I think you don't understand Sonic.
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>>580617895
Canon, anon. A cannon is something else.

>>580617890
That too, but I know Surge less than I know Sonic.

>>580618045
>I think
Do you?
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Get ready for issue 100 to end with a clean slate reboot. You all are going to be so fucking mad LMAO
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>>580618128
That's the best-case scenario, though. Why would I be mad?
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Liking Sonic Mania is as bad as watching anime dubs.
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>>580618128
Clean Sweep was the reboot. It was the last time IDW focused on its long standing arcs. It's just 3 issue fillers forever now. They gave up on the subplots except zombie Starline
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Festival was alright, didn't try the new kit but the vehicle is really good.
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>>580617107
Sonurge makes the most sense for JP Sonic
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>>580618186
Also Sonic 1/CD/2/3K now has the Drop Dash same with new 2D Sonic fangames
Mania is just good for level pack mods
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>>580618292
Except not really
HQ might have gotten nuked, but the Restoration is still very much a thing. The biggest thing was just braking up the Diamond Cutters (thank god)
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>>580618660
It disrespects Sonic Team vision
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>>580618292
That's another Sega Mandate™. They told IDW that they weren't allowed to do long-form content anymore just in case Sega wanted to shove game stuff like Sage in sooner than would make sense.
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>>580618292
>They gave up on the subplots except
Then they didn't give up on the subplots.
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Do you guys realize IDW isn't s standalone comic and is just supporting the games
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>>580618952
>blame IDW for Sega's decision
Another thing archiecucks are stupid about.
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>>580619116
What are these games you speak of?
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profound mental retardation
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>>580619116
Morons keep blaming IDW for not being Archie 2.0 when everyone and their moms know that Sega tightened their grip on the comics because of that lardass Penders.
>nooo what about Hope???
>what about Kintobor????
>what about the echidnas?????
Thank Penders for snatching them and totally robbing Sega out of all goodwill.
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/a/ hates Sonic Mania
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>>580618336
I'm not sure what the new kit does. Seems redundant
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>>580617895
>>580617576
Only true men of culture understand the reincarnation plot. You filthy North & South Americans can never understand abstract concepts such as mascots and spirits, that's why Europe is the superior Japan.
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>>580612294
>>580612567
>>580613157
>>580613365
>>580614171
>>580615086
This is why we need a Silver Generations for Sonic Team to delve into all this shit. Also the timeline fuckery is the perfect for Silver
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>>580619384
I think it's less that Sonic was a reincarnation but moreso a manifestation of desires, wishes or feelings of the failed pilot.
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>>580619384
I'm not fucking american and mascots aren't hard to understand
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Fuck off Lettuce
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>>580619431
>>580615086

I am kind of scared for the first silver game we get after 06 to include blaze, because blazefags are going to virtue signal on twitter and it would hurt the chance of future silver content since sonic team unfortunately reads twitter drama(new gen version of game journo taking over casual fans) and makes decisions accroding to it. maybe later
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Sonurge is the best ship and mogs Sonamy. It just makes sense
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>>580619517
Yeah you're a brownoid, you have no soul.
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>>580619731
Sonamyfags don't understand Sonic
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>>580580959
Speaking of, if that guy asking if anyone's done anything with the Future Sage vs Silver concept is still around, I looked around and saw a few things on Youtube. This one, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IXcOXFfiYA
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>>580619431
>>580619707
Neither Silver nor Blaze deserve a game
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>>580619707
The only type of criticism that Sega should listen to about Sonic is when it comes to gameplay because that's what they actually suck at
Anything else from characterzation, story and tone is none of those people's business
I wish it was just that simple
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>>580620187
Why... Who...
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Why is Tails treated as a self insert character to so many people?
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>>580620359
What did he mean by this
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>>580620730
Because that is the kind of character he is at his core, while Sonic fundamentally is not.
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>>580620758
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>>580620730
His arc is literally the most relatable (overcoming self-doubt, becoming independent, using your own strengths to do so)
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>>580620837
extreme meh except sharp black tonails are tight
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>>580580959
Because it was bunch of jealous, loosely self secure blaze faggots trying to bring down everyone at the bottom of the barrel with them like they and their character always do
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>>580620758
Clankers don't deserve human rights
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>>580620502
I mean i get why they listen to the annoying people because they are a company at the end of the day where financical concerns and PR is important but the thing is whether its game journos or twitterfags what they say don't actually represent what casuals or the majority of people would put their wallets on so it just feels like people pleasing with no benefits.
Take the classic boomer era in 2010s, Mania was regarded as ''savior of sonic'' but the 3D games, even the bad ones actually sold more financically because that's what the casuals want.
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I like how the most interesting thing to come from a Sonic come recently, has been from a Godzilla crossover comic of all things.
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>you'll find your flaaaaaaaaammmeeee
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>>580621247
Casuals love westshit like Mania.
Real fans play shit like Adventure or 06
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>>580621315
it's not interesting in the slightest, it's just sonic characters running behind godzilla characters and infodumping instead of doing something cool
dc didnt have that
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>>580621153
I hate that every time they do this color coded stuff and have Knuckles & Shadow, they always end up making Shadow the red one when RED IS KNUCKLES' COLOR.

Sonic = Blue
Tails = Yellow
Knuckles = RED

STOP GIVING IT TO SHADOW AND FORCING KNUCKLES TO BE STUCK WITH GREEN INSTEAD

Sure, green is his accent color and the ME and all that but NO. KNUCKLES' COLOR IS RED.

Red is Knuckles' color.
Yellow / Orange is Tails' aura.

Shadow needs his own chromatic signature.
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>>580621315
the competition is two and a half faggots having tea, and the newest faggot being the most interesting character in the room
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>>580611204
>Can this ugly whore just get raped already? and somebody make her swallow her unfashionable yellow bow.
>Shut the fuck up and stop roleplaying as a female you testicles. She's owned by Eggman, she's a tool and a robot and a useless one at that that failed at her mission. The robot Sally was better at her job.
Kys fails.
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>>580621839
but the master emruld is green
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>>580621824
You'd think so but in actual sales numbers forces and most 3d games sold more than mania. Classic boomers are a minority.
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>>580621912
Why did palcomix do this?
Other characters deserve to be cucked too.
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>>580621839
>Sure, green is his accent color and the ME and all that but NO. KNUCKLES' COLOR IS RED.

It doesn't matter, "Red" is Knuckles' color.

Sonic = Blue
Tails = Yellow
Amy = Pink

WHY THE HECK IS KNUCKLES NOT THE RED ONEE!?!?

Sonic, Tails & Knuckles are supposed to be a primary color trio! They shouldn't ruin that by giving red to Shadow.

Heck, Shadow uses Chaos Control with the green Chaos Emerald the most, let HIM be the green one!
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>>580622056
Classic sonic is not jp kino.
Of course it flopped
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>>580617205
I see this often clumped up hastily on Sally, "baggage" like it's some adverse crooking thing on her, presuming we ain't gotten "baggage" (minimum to decent filling as means to contextualize the actions and few feelings of characters like Shadow and Silver, which is good) off other chars.

I read all of Archie. What "baggage"? Sally seems simple to me. Head-honcho for the FFs, meant-to-be princess carrying her people on her back, spying jack of all trades quick thinking roundhouse and somersault kicking agile ballerina of sorts, hothead prematurely child soldier but guiding light in darkness beacon, well and reason intentioned to her best as she reasons at times with her feelings and whatnot.

I just summarized her role, character, and motive in one, maybe two lines. Is this (or where are you seeing off exactly) still "baggage" in your opinion? This is to come with preconception this keyword "baggage" is bad for whatsoever why or how.
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>>580622326
To make Sally make sense, You basically need a bunch of other characters and locations imported in with her, Otherwise she's just another girl
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>>580620935
>bunch of grown ass adults self inserts themselves as a 8 year old fox and are obsessed with him needing to have a girlfriend, often with a straight shotacon age gap
This is why Tailsfags are the most pathetic and most incel characterfags in the fandom. As if Two Babie One Fox didn't brutally destroy any kind of dignity and self respect that Tailsfags had left
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>>580622640
>completely ignored what was actually said just to seethe about porn
You niggas need help
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>>580622216
Remember in Amy tarot cards, Knuckles is not a king, Sonic, Shadow , Silver and Chaos are.
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>>580622850
What does it imply for colors anyway
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>>580619382
Not sure either. I don't really care for lv4/invul builds so I didn't bother with it.
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>>580622640
>Because 1% drew degenerate porn about this character, every single his fans is a pedo creep
This is what's called a straw man. And you didn't even answer any of the original questions nor did you input any valid arguments about the discussion.
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>>580623104
lanolin is actually flatter than even blaze, but she stuffs her shirt with her own wool to make it seem like she's busty
true and canon
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>>580622640
Tails is meant to be relatable, and is defined by his aspirations, as an underdog figure. So then, if you connect with the character, you wanna see him succeed. If you see yourself in the character, then it feels like when he succeeds, YOU succeed.

Tails proving he can do something all by himself gives you the feeling that you can do it too. Whereas when Sonic does something amazing, you think "wow that was cool, I wish I could be like that too", in a more detached impersonal way, because Sonic is the impossible cool guy you wish you could be while Tails is the one that you know you are.

Sonic is someone you are meant to admire and aspire towards and follow. Tails is the character who reflects that quality in yourself, as someone who looks up to and wants to be like Sonic. Tails being Sonic's best friend and little brother is the same as Chris or Yuuta or Forces OC. (You) are Sonic's best friend! And not only is Sonic your hero, but YOU can be a hero too, just like Sonic!

That is the vibe Tails' character is designed to have. ... which is why it doesn't work when only Sonic is allowed to do anything while Tails is shoved to the sidelines. Trying to make Sonic the avatar for you to project onto, and making Tails just a tech support on the side, ruins the core appeal of both characters. Tails being a little brother and sidekick only works when you see things from his perspective, and get to witness how "cool" Sonic is from his point of view as a result. If you only see from Sonic's, and Tails is just a tagalong kid following "you", then both Sonic & Tails are failing to be the characters they were both designed to be.
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>>580623509
this is little brother mentality. The older brother played Sonic and handed the second controller over to their little brother so they could hop around as Tails and pretend they were being useful. Sorry to ruin your childhood.
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>>580623509
Exactly. That's why the Tails player is always the most useful since he's invincible, while the Sonic player is always the self-centered attention whore who's going to ruin his life.
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Tails is the BESTTTTTTT!!!!!!
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>>580623707
I was the older brother and I always loved Tails
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>>580624365
Shh, don't contradict the newfag.
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I don't think I can read all of that autism but it's never that serious.
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>>580624515
>i haven't read your post but you're wrong
My bad, I forgot there were Americans in this general. I'll keep it to your level: Tails good.
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American Derangement Syndrome.
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If Tails is so good why is he bad.
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>>580624443
Fuck em
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The same fucking baits over and over and over and over and over...
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If Tails is so good then why isn't there a Tails 2?
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>>580624515
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq9iO-MmTdA
Then watch this youtube short instead.
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>>580624828
Because he's already Tails and not Tail. Do you even play the games or are you a tourist, on top of being an uncultured retarded Amerifat?
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>>580624614
No like it's actually embarrassing to even take seriously. It's not a matter of being right or wrong.
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Smoke weed every day.
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>>580620935
>relatable
Redflag word.
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>>580624917
>he's already Tails and not Tail
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>>580622617
That's clear. I was typing through my thoughts and opinions here and everything, but I just figured a tangent here. Is THAT why a couple other looneys here poop so much on Blaze, lol? I see her shatposted at onces, like she should be "vaulted", her whole dimension and belonging background gone or heavily altered to beyond nonrecognition, she denigrates Silver, something something. Is it because she has "baggage", or is it all just shitposting, or? I just could never get if it's all trolling or just painfully low level asperger drool babbling here.

All in the while I'm just here imagining what cool shit you could unearth off Sally and Blaze's back and forth, what they think it means to be really a princess and whatnot, contrasts etcetera.
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>>580624956
now that is something I can relate to. thanks. I love tails now
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>>580624813
DC once again coming in clutch with the REAL kino.
I'm going to miss it when it's all over :(
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>>580624920
Am I still too complicated for you to follow? I can't many any simpler than that, sorry that your education system let you down.
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>>580623509
Post your sister's nudes, Sparky
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>>580625085
In this universe, he kept a family and a real job.
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>>580625317
Calm down pedo.
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>>580621839
https://youtu.be/aqvtXNLLwgA?si=_DthJ-EpRSEbd1-3&t=157
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>>580624813
>I GOT RID OF MY ANTAGONISTS, DID I MENTION THAT AGAIN?
>SOL DIMENSION IS USELESS!
>I MADE MYSELF BLAND MORTY
>I'M BLANDY BLAZE
Fuck you Ian Flynn
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>>580624658
i agree. Americans are deranged.
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>>580624828
He’s so good they skipped straight to Tails 9
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>>580625171
you're welcome

*NOM*
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>>580625494
This implies they're the same.
Nine is a constant chad, Tails is a constant failure.
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>>580625056
Tf are you even talking about lmao
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>>580625285
Weird projection aside, I look at posters like you and sparky the same way. It doesn't matter.
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>>580625440
No, see, the problem with THIS is that the purple one should've gone to Amy because it is the actual "Pink" one!
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>>580621839
You can give him dark orange or dark gray or dark red
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>>580625441
Blaze is strong enough to fix his dimension. Why isn't Sonic strong enough to defeat Eggman?
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>>580625441
Blaze is shit though and Ian was right. Blaze is a huge mary sue and she only brings way too many lore complications that just crash the whole canon.

And no, not a Silverfag. I just think Rush games are mediocre and Blaze is a nothingburger retarded character.
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>>580625656
>still can't understand simple English
How embarrassing...
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>>580625686
Amy didn't want the pink (purple isn't pink between) one , she wanted red
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>>580625686
no, wait, I just realized, they made Knuckles' voice color green....

ughhh.....
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>>580625620
>Tails = failure
>Tails - Sonic = chad
Makes you wonder…
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>>580625494
>Chadine
>>580625529
>S.oyails
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>characterfags
Imagine being one. Couldn't be me!
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>>580625884
>>580625440
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>>580625808
>Ian was right
He always is. That's why IDW has been cooking a lot more than Archie ever did.
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>>580626047
>he says while posting a character
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>>580625648
When someone says a character is or should be relatable, they don't actually mean that because the obvipus question becomes "relatable to whom"?
I've seen people call fucking Vegeta better than Goku because Vegeta is "more relatable".

What relatable acrually means, the quiet part people dont say out loud, is "appealing to malajusted dysfunctional people who project and self insert too much".
There isn't anything inherently more relatable about Tails than to Sonic or Shadow. It's just that a lot of the audience for Sonic happens to be bullied nerds with self esteem issues.
Same with Surge or Blaze. A lot of the women in the fandom are "not like other girls" girls.
Shadow attracts a lot of moody edgelords, etc.
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>>580625471
No need to self-loath bro.
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I love Tails!!!!!!! <3
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>>580624813
>I detest thieves of all kinds
except for Rouge...
And the Babylon Rogues...
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>>580625817
You might be trying too hard here.
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>>580626196
But it's okay when I do it because I am le based.
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>>580626435
Unironically this
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>>580626305
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>>580626305
She does tho. Or at least she should.
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>>580626215
Sonic is not a "relatable" character.

I mean in the sense that you're not supposed to relate to Sonic as if he's a regular guy. He is meant to be a larger than life symbol, a force of nature, like a fairy, who shows up out of the blue and changes your life forever. Tails is the other side of that coin. If Sonic is like a fairy, then Tails is the average kid no one understands whose stuck in a miserable life.

Tails is like Peter Parker before being bit by the spider, while Sonic is the living embodiment of the spider-bite itself.

What makes Sonic appealing is that he is this impossible cool guy, but most people are not that. Sure, someone you know CAN be impossibly cool, you may even be so yourself. But with Sonic, being in awe at that kind of presence is the point, and Tails is the one who reflects your position as someone witnessing that, while also being the representative of the fact that you, too, CAN be just as cool yourself a do great things just like Sonic does and even more.
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>>580626613
>feeding the troll
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>>580626215
If you want to sit here and say you’ve never dealt with self-doubt I’ll call you a damn liar, because you would be. It’s WAY more universal a trait than being effortlessly cool (which you are not, you are HERE), or being a moody edgelord who also thinks you’re cool (you’re not). Tailsfags are the most commendable because at least they’re honest with themselves
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>>580626215
What if you find no one relatable
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>>580626667
Sparky is it true you think you have electrical powers
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>>580626667
Shut up, Sparky.

I find Sonic's do what you think is tight even if others think you are wrong" attitude relatable.
The idea that characters are designed around being self inserts or being supports for that self insert is weird and not a rule and reveals westoid narcissism and main character syndrome.
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>It's so humid today. I don't wanna get out of bed.
>My wool feels like it weighs a ton.
>A-Anon? What are you--- Stop it! You can't just use my wool as a pillow! It's all sticky and sweaty. I haven't had a shower yet you...
>It's embarrassing... Stop saying you like it that way...
>T-That's... Ugh. Fine. I'm too tired to argue.
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>>580626667
I also got a point, Character analysis is fucking gay. And Sonic agrees with me.
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Sonic speaks to me
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>>580626752
>i know your own life better than you do
ok retard
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>>580626667
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO POST NUDES OF YOUR SISTER YOU FUCKING MONGREL
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>>580626847
Haha, ha, one!
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>>580626047
You saying that reminds me of how some people out there so vocally claim they hate shipping and shippers just because they want to sound more mature. Utterly pathetic
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>>580624813
>Blaze biggest enemy that she will fight is the fucking guy with a freeze gun
It's just so perfect how obviously lame Blaze truly is.
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>>580626752
>If you want to sit here and say you’ve never dealt with self-doubt I’ll call you a damn liar,
Good thing I didn't say otherwise?
>It’s WAY more universal a trait than being effortlessly cool
Being a bullied nerd who follows a cool guy around isn't universal.
Wanting freedom to go and do as your heart pleases is pretty universal, as is the fantasy of confidence in the face of adversity.

>>580626752
>Tailsfags are the most commendable because at least they’re honest with themselves
Except they aren't. They cling to Tails out of a sense of entitlement. They do so with the expectation he will become the giga chad that will get to dunk on everyone later because he will have a bigger dick than everyone else. The idea of "sucessorship" and "Tails is better than everyone else low key" is baked onto a lot of why his man baby fans still cling to him 30 years later.
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>>580626893
I know for a fact you’re not turbo cool like Sonic is, VERY few people actually are, and none of them would be browsing 4chan
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>>580627263
>Except they aren't
Sounds like projection...
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Does Omega have a flicky?
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>>580626892
Morio Kishimoto...
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>>580627361
Yup.
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>>580626772
>needing a character to be relatable to like them.
I like Amy but I dont find shopping for cute clothes or chasing a guy relatable. I just find the cute cartoon character cute and fun and wanna see her get Ws.

To me, selfinsertfags are like if some dude in antiquity started larping as Prometheus IRL and arguing with people that the character is better because he vaguely sounds like himself.
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>tourist thinks unlikely that Sonic would be posting on 4chan, the epitome of free speech, and genuinely thinks that Sonic would rather be a plebbit loser or a nazi twitterfag
lol
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>>580627491
Oh great now the Rotorfag is here...
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>>580627263
>Being a bullied nerd who follows a cool guy around isn't universal.
Good thing I never said that was a reason why Tails was relatable >>580620935
> Wanting freedom to go and do as your heart pleases is pretty universal, as is the fantasy of confidence in the face of adversity.
Also applies to Tails
>the rest of your incoherent babble
Delusional headcanon you’ve created out of spite, and doesn’t apply to anyone outside a weird minority (which also exists for fans of every character)
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>>580627356
>no real response
I accept the concession.
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>>580627635
Behave, Tailspedo.
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>>580627792
>>580627792
>>580627792
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>>580627361
No. >>580627656
>Good thing I never said that was a reason why Tails was relatable
I didnt say you did. I was making a juxtaposition for why your post was dumb.
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>>580627524
Sonic wouldn’t be online at all you brainrotted loser
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>>580626823
Player Avatars are just one type of character archetype. Not everyone is that, but its one of the most common forms of protagonists. Spider-Man is one of the biggest examples of it.

Any character can be relatable. Sonic is still a "person", of course anyone can relate to Sonic, and one of my friends self-inserts as Sonic as well. But I'm just saying that Sonic is not meant to be a character that you're supposed to project onto in the way that a character like Tails IS.

One problem with how some people wanna use Sonic, is as a 'relatable' self-insert, which is directly antithetical to his core appeal as an impossibly cool force of nature. Like, it'd be like trying to force that kind of role onto the Roadrunner. It's why Coyote vs ACME makes Wile the one whose struggles we're focused on, in a way that feels ... well, relatable to anyone that feels like their life is an endless cycle of pushing a boulder up a tall mountain only for it to keep rolling back down. The Roadrunner represents the impossible, unattainable goal you're aimed on achieving. And the message is, to keep trying, no matter how many times you fail. It might not be today or tomorrow, but someday you might succeed.

That is not the only kind of story that exists, but its the kind of story that characters like Sonic & Tails are best suited for from opposite ends. Not that Coyote vs ACME one specifically, but you get the idea. Sonic represents an unattainable ideal, and Tails is someone who aspires to reach that ideal. At the end of the day, that is who they both are and the roles they fill in this series.
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>>580627524
>4chan, the epitome of free speech
Please, just don't
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>>580627826
>I put words into your mouth and that’s why you’re dumb
???
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>>580627836
Sonic is literally a streamer
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>>580625714
Because she never fixed her dimension, Sonic did. all she had was low level badniks and that's it.
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>>580627908
Spotted the /pol/tard who posted shit on /a/ and got slapped for it.
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>>580627896
Why do you shoot up schools
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>>580627986
Only Movienic
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>>580628403
No, /ourparagonic/ streams mobile games
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>>580621863
We also want to see hypnotized maids and Godzilla doesn't have that shit.
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>>580626157
>He always is. That's why IDW has been cooking a lot more than Archie ever did.
False. You're glazing Ian hard, shill.



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