What is WoW Forever?Set in the same Azeroth but expanded upon with new zones, dungeons, raids, quests and much more.>New Race SkyborneSkyborne are available for Horde and Alliance but are not the same Skyborne. There was a cultural shift prior and now different Skyborne are aligned with the different factions. Horde Skyborne get Shaman, Alliance get Mages>Many new race/class combos including Undead Paladin and Dwarf Shaman>More than 1k quests added making a 25% increase in quest content alonehttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/forever#editions>When is it being released?Release date November 4th>Will there be a beta?Yes you can opt in at https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/forever#blz-optin-1
Forever mazed by blizzard
Classic is dead. Long live WoW Forever.
>>580792543so you have to pay for this game and pay for the new race?
anni status?mop status?era status?
>Yeah, give me blizzard HQ quick!>You guys won't believe this.>The virgin fat faggot losers on /vg/ do NOT like your new game!>They say they won't play it!>Yes all 10 of them!>I know, I too am shocked!>Guess your company should've catered to the schizophrenic losers on a basket weaving forum, instead of the normal healthy adult population that has a life and isn't a total loser faggot.
>>580792715it's $15 a month, forever...
>>580792715Is free with classic sub but new race is 30 bux
time to RAPE ALL alliance rogues and warlocks.t. orc warrior
content creators headed into dungeon #2 this one a level 40 dung
No Shaman/Warlock Tanks.
>>580792640fpbp
>>580792715you need to pay for sub, and then the sky elf race is another cost yes
>>580792715I think you just need a sub
>>580792765How'd that work out for SoD?
>Smeld 10 sec CD (2 min inside combat)>2% movement speed>1% dodge>Spirit form 75% move speed(lol)>10% crit for 15 seconds on a 3 minute CDNelf stacies won bigly
BLIZZARD WONFOREVER HYPE>FOREVER HYPEFOREVER HYPE>FOREVER HYPEFOREVER HYPE>FOREVER HYPEFOREVER HYPE>FOREVER HYPE
>>580792823i want to be a priest tankmake that threat modifier on mind blast mean something
this shits gonna be dead and in maintenance so fast
BLIZZARD WONFOREVER HYPE!
If they wanted me to pay 30$ for a single race at least they could have made it cool. Or sexy, or both. I dunno call me crazy but 30 bucks for blue belf models is crazy.
>SoD Retribution Paladin had three viable playstyles (Exodin was fun) >Forever only has Seal Twisting Why?
>classic players having discussions about the new racial reworks and what race is best to pick>ever mention racials in retail general and a million retards start shitting their pants and telling you they don't matterWhat causes this?
THIRTY DOLLARS TO PLAY AS A BLUE BLOOD ELF FAGGOT HAHAHAHA>THIRTY DOLLARS TO PLAY AS A BLUE BLOOD ELF FAGGOT HAHAHAHATHIRTY DOLLARS TO PLAY AS A BLUE BLOOD ELF FAGGOT HAHAHAHA>THIRTY DOLLARS TO PLAY AS A BLUE BLOOD ELF FAGGOT HAHAHAHATHIRTY DOLLARS TO PLAY AS A BLUE BLOOD ELF FAGGOT HAHAHAHA>THIRTY DOLLARS TO PLAY AS A BLUE BLOOD ELF FAGGOT HAHAHAHATHIRTY DOLLARS TO PLAY AS A BLUE BLOOD ELF FAGGOT HAHAHAHAHOLY JEWISH
>>580792543so what is this shit, classic+ but you have to buy every bit of mtx?
>>580792765>>580792846people said the same thing about sod and how if we wanted classic to go back and play era and then sod fucking died 4 months later
>>580792873i hope u can cast the crit racial while smeld'ed, time to nuke cunts on wsg tunnels
post gooner content bros.
>>580793076I know it's way too soon, but I'm afraid this is going to feel worse than SoD gameplaywise.
>>580793129You're still going to buy it, and any future race unlock packs.
>release date one day before zeldaintentional?
>>580793169It should be off GCD so makes little difference, but guess we'll see the quirks later
>>580792543>>Will there be a beta?>Yes you can opt in at https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/forever#blz-optin-1i think there's a 0% chance they'll be handing out free beta
honestly rogue looks like shit almost nothing changed
>mounts >mogs>cheevosya, you're totally not playing retail anon
I will NOT be buying blue elvesI will NOT be inviting blue elves to groups
>>580793115Because the fag races like Vulpera have terrible racials
>>580792950thisdiscipline tanks would be sickbut blizz is too retarded to do anything good
>>580793343shut up dads
>>580793343>cheevosi like cheevos
>>580793312Rogues have gotta be the biggest crybabies, you got the most changes if anything. Assa is an actual poison + muti spec now, and sub got an insane glow up, completely different. Only combat is mostly the same.
they added retail to everything visual but left the gameplay stale as ever>talent tree looks exactly the same but now you spend 5 talent points for 5 hit when before you spent 3 talent points for 6 hitwhat is their problem
Definitely feeling the Retail- after watching this dungeon run.
>weapon skill is still in the game
>>580793115Racials matter much more in a game with a low amount of buttonsAlso classic racials are notoriously busted
I don’t get it, they had a bunch of good shit from the private servers, why didn’t they just copy and paste all the good shit. Like turtle wow zones.Instead we have only 3 zones and the new elf fan fiction. What the actual fuck.
>>580793343Don't act like you didn't farm for mounts and other shit in nilla
https://x.com/kabrutusdeid/status/2098895120741318761
>>580793343>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THE GOOD FEATURES FROM RETAIL AND PUT THEM INTO CLASSIC FUUUUUUUUUCK
>>580793498what exactly are you referring to?
>>580793517really? maybe i can't be a tauren warrior then... FUCK! FUUUUUUUUUCK!
>>580793526pretty sure the Holy Paladin capstone ability is from CoA
>>580793242i shant
>>580793526Cause they want this new game mode to last forever so they're not gonna give you all the stuff at once
>>580793470Please tell us when there ever was a talent that gave you 6 hit goofball
>>580793343I fuckin hate mtx but I feel like its a lot more important that they do a lot more about botting. If theres a bunch of robots making it impossible to farm resources and 100x reporting someone for picking a black lotus, shits gonna be dead regardless
>>580793604weapon skill racials are gone
>>580793343All of those features are good, thoughAlso tmogs are opt-in so you faggots have no recourse to cry
>>580793517>>580793604your edgies?
>>580793689frost mage first row
>>580793343Its not retail because retail has good classes and content
>>580793594Basic dungeon bosses now have a bunch of "dodge this flying VFX" mechanics, all the environments are updated to the goofy art of Retail, so the Classic models stick out like a thumb, and 90% of the changes we've seen are just watered down versions of abilities we've seen from other expansions.
Ok, chuds.MTX aside, which parts of the announcements did we not like and why?
What are the account wide perks? Did they show any examples?
>>580793545You farmed for 2 mounts in vanilla.3 if you want a cross race mount, but nobody ever did more than 1 of those.4 if you were an absolute fucking psycho and wanted the winterspring cat. Almost nobody did that.Mount drops don't count, nobody chain ran strath for the horse the drop rate is too low, and you can't farm the zg mounts in a raid
Dutch won lol
>>580793570>Creating 10+ alts to one shot old raid bosses for that weekly one in three hundred chance at a recolored mount you aren't going to use, only add to your collection, is good actually
Blizzard, Forever is missing one thingYou know what it isDo the right thing
built in damage meters...also this is just a zf reskin.
>>580793826New race being for horde too, nu-models even being an option. But looks pretty good, some of the talent trees could use a bit more work obviously, stayed 90% the same in some cases.
>>580793767Dont play gay botting classes then weirdo
>>580793885i'm so happy furtroons were absolutely btfo and purged.
Wait you have to pay extra for the blue elves???Just for the beta or in general?
Well damn, so much for Aion 2 huh?
>>580793826Feels like SoD minus.
>>580793868How exactly do you plan to farm mounts from old raids in a version of the game without expansions?
>>580793960$30 if you want to play the elves$60 for beta+elves$15 a month otherwise, you cant play the elves or beta
>>580793897if its the retail damage meter its literally almost completely nonfunctional
>>580793885you lost
>>580793941don't look at the vanilla horde racesyoull shit bricks
>>580794007>Korean MMORPGI don't hate myself enough to play one of those.
>>580793960In general. It's fucking devious to paywall horde elves since BE is so popular.
>>580793885>one thingBro we're never seeing panda, draeneis or femgobs ever again
>At least 50% of their time/resources clearly went into updating everything into Retail aestheticsThis is how you know they don't know what the fuck they're doing if that was a priority
https://forevertalents.up.railway.app/
>>580794109Don't know if you are aware of this, but back in the day you had to pay for TBC.
>>580794109>Early Name ReservationDoesnt requiring a last name pretty much guarantee you the first name you want?
>>580794173why did my CMD window briefly open
>>580793343>>cheevosenough of a reason for me to play
if you're playing skyborne your ass is getting camped if you're on a pvp server.
>>580794165They want to appeal to new players, which old models dont
>>580794157they will be releasing dark oc donut demon draenei with tattoos by october 2027 browow forever will be like fortnite with 500 collabs and random shit
>>580793936i play every class. im just hoping these are not the final talent trees. which might be true there was a typo on imp devo plague and warlock sac has the effects switched
>>580794109Eh, everyone that was ever going to play on blizzard servers was going to buy the Epic pack anyways.
>mounts >mogs>cheevos>addons>logs>parses>liquid dungeon strat>race to world first sponsored by onions>"the meta">asmongold serverwe're going home
>>580794230It was $30 for the entire expansion. Here you're just getting a race plus their starter zone, which is like one hour worth of content.
>>580794074The furry faggot revisionism is so hilariously obvious pretending like the fuck ugly tauren were considered a "furry" race when the game launched.
>>580794165Fucking Ascension had all the retail models working on the literal wotlk client. It's not difficult to do and this is clearly running on a modern engine anyway.
>>580793826New race is my only real complaint. It's lazy and shit. Shoulda just been helves alliance, ogres horde. Maybe they'll add ogres later.
>skybornewho asked for this retail shit? lmao at this fucking DOA trash
>>580793826no arenai can't stand pre mop pala and its been my main class for a decade in the real game so if i play i will have to scum on mage, rogue, or priest the cinematic was badi think paying for name reservation is dumb but in their defense its better than early access
You're going to play it anyway, piggie
>>580794362nobody plays tauren so everyone forgot what their ingame model looks like
>>580794441That what i’m saying, there are dozens of other vanilla races.Also where the fuck is our new class AKA tinker?!?!?!
>>580794165It's the fucking retail client, all they have to do is press a toggle
>>580794441You wanted ogres didnt you? Well this is the next best thing.
>>580794340>>mounts >>mogs>>cheevos>>addonsunironically yes for medon't care about parse/raid stuff tho, I just gank.
>>580794340>Asmongold already admitted that he's going to funnel raid loot to his girlfriend plus friends>Idiots are still going to join his guild and raid with him.
>>580793826Every race got something new or a useless buff except for Forsaken
>>580794425>>580794465I feel like they are gatekeeping a lot of the cool things for now. I doubt these are all the classes, class specs and race class combos we will have.
I don't understand people who have their primary pastime being complaining on the internet
>>580794249oh shit i didn't even consider that. yeah because you can hide the last name.
>>580794441>who asked for this retail shit?Could you gladly point to a skyborne elf on retail?
>>580794561No i'm fine with no new races
>>580793834https://www.twitch.tv/videos/28722747705:14:00
>>580793826No new 40 mans. Alliance Shaman/horde paladin, transmog, shady pre order bonuses and paid beta, paid mounts, achievements, modern art style and updated graphics, new gay elf race.
>>580794441I did.well I asked for BElfs but it's the same model so...
>>580794638Blue is a selectable skin tone for Blood Elves
>>580794425>Shoulda just been helves alliance, ogres hordeThis would have guaranteed an, at minimum, 70:30 faction imbalance for the entirety of Forever's existence. You retards who think Ogres would actually be popular, and that giving the most popular Horde race but with blue eyes to Alliance, would be anything other than catastrophic are the pinnacle of delusional stupidity.
>>580794502Im finishing tbc and probably never playing this game ever again (until next tbc)
>>580794574dang that sucks!!! thanks for the heads up!!!
Okay but look at this bar and do you see it? What is group finder doing here?
>>580794615i guess they think its funny
>>580794173i guess ill just play mutilate
>>580794770Zamn.. I was looking forward to no Group Finder.
>>580793826Horde had to share elves with alli*nce.can't have any nice things just for horde.but alli*nce can have literally anything they ever want.
>>580794770They probably forgot to remove it. It's early beta
>>580794770Credit card tabSome players just want it more
>>580792543HAHAHAHA
Can someone tell me if the new elf males do the gay jumping like blood elves or did they fix that?
>>580794574Is sideway pussy really that good?
>will have to listen for the next 100 years as one portion of the playerbase insists forever is superior to retail, one portion thinks forever is better than vanilla/classic was. Retail players shouting on reddit that their game is the best, and classic players talking to themselves about whatever schizo nonsense is on their mind todayit really is world of warcraft forever after all....i hate this fucking franchise
>>580793295>i think there's a 0% chance they'll be handing out free betaif you buy the boxed copy you get 3 beta keys for your friends which means streamers will be handing them out like candy
>>580794770I'm pretty sure there was a "group finder" in like TBC, where you just listed groups and joined them manually.No queue, no tp.
>>580795016they do the gay jumping and you're gay if you ever thought about playing a male elf nelf is kinda based
>>580794762tbc is fake wow that ruined the game
>>580792543>$30>plus sub>plus tax>plus mount>plus tip>for something worse than turtle/ascensionblizzbucks have gone insane
>>580792790there is no classic sub thougheveryone who’s playing classic is paying for a retail sub
>>580794759Give blood elfs to both factions and give horde ogres. problem solved.Alliance can have some other bonus race on top
>>580794770???Just like before you can look for groups manually but you still have to invite people and get into the dungeon on your own
>>580795071But I can tell you enjoy all of that drama.
>>580795118>t. Got filtered by phase 2
>>580794105But you hate yourself to play this shit?
>>580794770that's in era hc anni whatever.
>>580795132High elvesFurbolgsBlood elvesOgresIt was that easy
remember the cinematic that started it all? what if it was different and my elf OC was the central focus of it all, she's the main character, and she's super strong and super smart and she lives in heaven on a golden spire and it's bigger than the stormwind cathedral and the orgrimmar war hut. :3 also she's named Jessica(like meee hehe~ >_<) and her mother is the Light and her father is Galakrond :3
>>580794574the real question is : is he rolling on a pvp serv this time
>>580794572>I just gank.based and same
>>580794759Turtle wow did it and helves were less popular than humans. Faction split wasn't even that bad. Hell, horde don't have elves in classic as is, and the alliance only slightly outnumbers them because of paladins, not nelves.
>>580795254i got filtered by flying
>>580795254tbc isnt classic
>>580795295I would have accepted goblins too, horde or neutral
>>580795295High elves = blood elves >>580795343Damn niggah
>both choco and white are availablewhat's all the bitching and moaning's all about?
The fact that they added normal skin tones to skyborne and not just blue ones means they know exactly what they were doing and what reaction they were expecting from people
>>580795306He was a faggot for having Advertise's twitch taken down for harassment
>night elf get their 2% movespeed racial from retailIt seems negligible but that extra bit of speed in classic is HUGE.
>>580795132Maybe this is them doing that.And Ogres are to come.
>>580794337>warlock sac has the effects switchedi think that's the new designto stack shadow dmg you sac imp and run succ for mdvice versa for fire dmgdog/blueberry work the same
Forever wonned
will there be layering?
I really hope they scrap the naaru, all the great forces of the verse that were added post vanilla feel so underwhelming and diminishing of what scale and intrigue warcraft can have. the cosmology in general just isn't doing it for me. I also want them to maximally decanonize whatever retail established in general, it shouldn't be a different timeline of the same verse but a different timeline of what the development team could have done with it.
Have they said anything about servers? Like locations, types, layering, etc
>>580795440Dunno if you noticed, but the new blue elves are the same race and have slightly different racials.Change the eye colour tweak the racial, boom you have high elf from blood elf. It's far less of a handwave than forsaken on the horde ever was.What is the fucking problem?
>>580793343
layering completely ruins the feel of vanilla
So glad they didn't include SoD slop like shaman tanks and mage healers.$30 racelocked elves on classic+ launch is hilarious
>>580795552No they are going to make hundreds of 2k pop servers
>emmm ackstually all those races you wanted and have been waiting for 20 years to play like ogres and high elves? don't worry they're planned too you just have to wait 10 more years of Forever :^) Do "people" really
>>580795461I'm 100% making a dark ebony pink hair/eye thot
>>580795534>kick please give me a million dollars
How does the game time from the epic pack work?Is it immediately applied or can I save it for until the actual release since I'm not playing right now?
>>580794664>the more you play, the more your game experience becomes like retailfucking brilliant
>>580795534>I'm gonna make a trijillion dollars tournament!!!>anyone's got 1 trijiliion dollars?
>>580795607vanilla or bust.
>>580795534>I want to make a tourney for $1m>please sponsor my tourney
>>580795640Since this is going on FOREVER I fully expect them to slowly add SoD stuff just to add content to the game.
so is dalaran just a dungeon or a hub too?
Oh boy now me and the boys get to blacklist TWO types of knife-ears from our groups
>>580795619High elves are literally blood elves you mongoloid, its pre wow lore
>>580795638you didn't mind it on ascension.
>>580795534kek just what we needed another swarthy grifter
One of the reasoms I postponed my suicide was for this.Suffice it to say I'm one step closer to being dead now. Thank you Blizzard, your final mercy for me.
>>580795713think it doesnt get added to your account until release
>>580795661Good.
>>580795534>tipsout came back before alex
I wanted them to solve nagas as playableblue elves are lame and lazy
>>580795817Not every high elf went with kael'thas you mongoloid
Uhhh not even streamers are really excited for it...fuck me man, they had all the assets from turtle. it should have been 8 zones at least.
>>580795713i bought the wc3 $80 pack and haven't received the 1 month yet.
>warrior is god tier per usual>priest is a bubble god>druid rework makes them the literal best at everything no one can compete>rogues are lol>paladins are actually terrible and they changed nothing but prot, even then prot is shit, still a joke class>mage one shots a target with arcane blast then sits oom for the rest of the fight>hunter is hunter>shaman pulls threat and dies while oom>warlocks are fucking immortal with sl/sl shitlmao, so the only hybrid that won were druids
>>580795534YO TAUNT
you know, i started playing this when i was 11. i'm 30. a lot of my friends played wow when we were like, 13-15. it's really a kids game but i think it's trying to appeal to the 30 year olds that played the game 20 years ago. i don't think kids today would want to start playing wow and that's a problem. does wow "grow"? or is it just the same people coming back and playing it again?
Am I the only one still watching this?
>>580795921but the SHOES
All I wanted was:- 2 cool races- some cool new classes like necromancer, bloodmancer, etc...- a continuation of the story from the vanilla (the tbc made 0 sense lore wise)- decent class rebalance without stripping them their core identity - no gay shit- existing dungeons and raids rebalance/rework- new quests, dungeons and raids that make sense with the storyInstead we got whatever this shit is, I'm tired...
>>580795923Yes they did retard, the ones that stayed in silvermoon are still blood elves
>orc stun resist nerfed into the ground>forsaken and tauren basically don't get anything extra for pvpmeanwhile>humans get a stun break>gnomes get 5% more energy, 10% damage and reduced cost on next 3 abilitiesholy fuck, the "PvP faction" got guttedalliance BIS for pvp and pve now HAHAHAHAHAHA
why are all the blizzard streams dark and blurry
>It's just retail masquerading as classicTotally didn't see that coming
>>580796081>a continuation of the story from the vanilla>existing dungeons and raids rebalance/rework>new quests, dungeons and raids that make sense with the storyInstead we got whatever this shit is, I'm tired...We getting these
>>580796084there are literally high elves in game bro
This racial is fucking CRAZY STRONG for classic.
>ele lost elemental masterymost KEKED specc
>>580795534
>>580796034Bro, it just a big fucking advertisement for streamers. This shit so fucking gay.
>>580795986>40% damage reduction and void sac hp regenthankfully warlock is an easy class to run away from
>>580796081>a continuation of the story from the vanilla (the tbc made 0 sense lore wise)>decent class rebalance without stripping them their core identity >existing dungeons and raids rebalance/rework>new quests, dungeons and raids that make sense with the storyhow do you know we're not getting this?
>>580796029i don't want to play any online game with children if I can help it, so that's just fine with me
>>580796204will zoom through warrior leveling with ts
>>580796195They are called blood elves since wc3
>>580795960>they had all the assets from turtlewhat are you talking about. did they? then they should just release turtle wow and make twice as much money
>>580796034cosplayers should embrace ozempic already
>>580796105still rolling horde as alliance are passive bottoms who watch their teammates get gutted in the open world and do nothing
>>580796105They HAVE to sell the new race
>>580796081i wanted:high elves alliance, goblins hordebring illidan and kael'thas out of the outlands, destroy the portalwake arthas upmore zones to start outand then community-focused content like osrs
>>580795534>Notorious scammer wants to do another scam
all the streamers were faking enthusiasm, its slop and they know it but dont want to be blackballed
>>580796105>orc stun resist nerfed into the groundIt's 20% reduced stun duration which is stronger than retails current 10% AND they got a new racial that removes and prevents curses for 15s. Blood Fury also doesn't reduce healing anymore. Orcs are looking retarded strong for pvp.
>>580796314not anymore. all the pvp tryhard minmaxers are going alliance
>>580796246>50% extra armor and 10% extra damage reduction just becausewhat the fuck were they thinking
>>580796162We are only the third point you quoted, they are not touching the existing dungeons and the story is different at lvl 60 fron the start and not the end.
>>580796313People who lose weight with Ozempic will 100% gain it back because they all lack the self-discipline to not overstuff their faces or lose the weight naturally.
>>580796216desu they should remove all of those 3min cd your next spell is a crit talents
>>580796313you ever fuck a fat girl? not like my 600lb life fat, but like 180-220 sweet spot. all im saying is, try that shit before you knock it brother, it can be life changing
>>580796105I would be surprised if those are the final forms of the racials
>Get to kill Illidan ONE time>Weekend after blizz pulls the plug on TBCLmao. I got rugpulled again.
>paladin gets notcrusaderstrike>hunter gets everything they could ever want>druid getting literally nothing not even a playable boomywhy does blizz hate druids?
>>580796415>AND they got a new racial that removes and prevents curses for 15sthis is nothing, alliance warlocks don't exist
We NEED a tier list done PRONTO
>>580796295The ones that joined Kael'thas were yes.There are literally high elf npcs in vanilla warcraft though bub
>>580796503180 is obese
Here's your new meta raid spec, warlockbros.>sac imp for 15% shadow damage and use succubus for additional 10%>25% shadow damage + shadow vulnerability + ruinLol.
>>580796257
>>580796476they can just stay on it for life you know.
>>580796415>It's 20% reduced stun duration which is stronger than retails currentgigacope>AND they got a new racial that removes and prevents curses for 15sbootleg stoneform + hardly any warlocks on alliance anyway>Blood Fury also doesn't reduce healing anymoreit's only 10% attack power now. wet fart.gnomes get 10% flat damage on next 3 attacks
You guys are gonna get grifted once more by streamers...Did you guys not fucking learn from classic?!?!
>>580796606S TIER>classes you don't playTHE REST>your class
Bros the talent trees feel like cataclysm talent trees… they just railroad you down an obvious path… At least in vanilla the path to take was less obvious and you could do fun stuff while leveling.
>>580796105Orc is still one of the strongest pvp races in retail and their Forever racials are just a strict upgrade from that.
>>580793343JIMPOSTING IS BACK
>>580796606S Tier:WarriorNPC Tier:Everyone else
I NEED TO SEE THE TALENT TREES RIGHT NOW
>>580796668>another fresh another sbolt spam
This whole time they cooking turtle-
do shamans get DW? i cant decide if i want to go orc shaman or undead paladin.is the skyborne movement increase passive or a cd?
>>580796765see>>580796712orc is mid at best now>bootleg stoneform>gnomes get a better +damage racial>stun resist ABSOLUTELY GUTTED
>>580796295confirmed for not have played w3 or vanilla
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WoW Forever is just a raid logging troons paradise.After 1 year WoW Forever will have 10+ Raids and the 1-60 experience will be nothing but instant 60 boosts.
>>580796204imagine eating a kidney shot and the faggot rogue heals to full off it while killing you.
>>580796827https://forevertalents.up.railway.app/
>>580796105There's zero chance all those broken alliance racials make it live, it's even more lopsided than the classic racials.
>>580796527Moonkin still sucks I think. The rest of the balance tree is a vast improvement, and they put insect swarm back where it always should have been.The old moonglow/resto style pvp spec looks to be buffed pretty hard. You wouldn't take moonkin over NS still
>>580796827>https://forevertalents.up.railway.app/#warrior/60/00000000000000000-000000000000000000-0000000000000000000
>>580796204Let's thank god that trolls cannot be paladins in this to do the gay Zandalari bubble+regen combo.
>AV field of strife battle featured prominently in gameplay trailerdoes this mean they're fixing AV so it's not drek or kek faggot meta?>>580797075cope noshoes
>>580796313Omg she's just like the real thing
Classic bros... we're now behind Retail CHADS and Forever GODS.... it's over for classic.
>>580797036Trvke. BC already established that WoW would never expand beyond just being instanced raid content on repeat. Classic+ was there chance to show they could do something new.
>>580796313Back in the day we had stickied threads clowning these cosplayers. Now no one even cares about Blizzcon enough to discuss it.
>retail is retail + they're not even trying anymore with content>era is dead and gonna be even deader>tbc pop will flock to forever>hardcore andys will have their thing in foreveryea we wonned I think
>>580794574Guess some people dont play for loot then?
Do hunters have a dead zone?Any boosts to level time?Are world buffs in the game?Is there gear specialization? Is MC really not at launch?
>>580796204Goat warlock racial holy shit
>>580797036they'll probably make you grind the world somehow for the pity legendary they'll let everyone quest for.
>>580796415>It's 20% reduced stun duration>which is stronger than retails current 10%wrong, its the same value on retailidk where you pulled that value fromit was nerfed in dragonflight to 20% down from 25%
>>580796204>HOTS Zul'Jin E
>>580797441>idk where you pulled that value from
>>580797441>wrong, its the same value on retailIt's only 10% in pvp. It got nerfed in Dragonflight.
>>580797403YesWho knowsNot in raids i heard i thinkdunnoNo mc at launch, released later and probably reworked
>>580796668did pets get any avoidance or reduced damage from aoe? because if not then playing this shit is going to be miserable
>>580796668unlikely to beat malefic grasp affli or lava burst shamanI like the fact it doesnt play petless anymore tho, might do it for the voidwalker tank meme
If you don't like it, this game not for you. Classic+ gods are gonna be eating good FOREVER. Anything Blizz has released has always been a hit.
you now remember jimmy
>>580797403XP buffs via the legacy system
>horizontal progression
>>580797621Please elaborate
I was watching the blizzcon with a fren on discord, we had a beer and laughed at every fucking announcement, except Classic+. We were so happy, but you guys make me want to hate this... why are you fuckers against it? I don't even like Blizz or Microslop, but I can't wait to play this with my homie (we are not gay, but I will probably heal him)
>>580797636I wonder if people will just quit.
>>580797162yeah but they can be prot warriors and can conc blow you into that bullshit.
>>580797636>the raid rewards are just memes and give you alternate power like increased% against <type> so >you now have to carry 20 memesets in your bags to parsetranny the raids
Why is the orc so zesty looking
>4chan is shitting on the blue elves>reddit is shitting on the blue elves>x/twitter is shitting on the blue elves>official forums are shitting on the blue elves
>>580797441It's only 10% on retail and Orc is still top 3 most picked pvp race.
>>580796204>any movement or anything you do will cancel ithows this strong
>>580797736Elves again. And not even the elves that deserved to be in vanilla to begin with
>>580797564>instead of having a 25% to resist the 5 combo point kidney shot, it lasts 5s instead of 6s>meanwhile every human gets a free stun break trinketHAHAHAHAHAHNO SHOES NIGGERS SUCK AT PVP NOW
>>580797829Howd this concept make it to print? Did everyone at blizz think they were awesome?
>>580797621>>580797718he's parroting something he heard online because he's an actual fat fucking retard.there are some boosts from the legacy system the most notable one being you can get your talent points at level 5 rather than 10 meaning you'll reach your capstone at 55 rather than 60. it was on sodas stream today at 5h14m
>/wowcg/ is killROFLMAO. NILLERS IN SHAMBLES. FOREVER WON.
>>580797808This is highly likely.
>>580797736its just sod2 dlc with mtx
>>580793885They gotta cater to china right? They'll be there eventually probably
https://forevertalents.up.railway.app/#paladin/60/203003000000000000-5530013021201251-052030002000000000
>>580797046is this legit? looks less fun than turtlewow
>Going from kino melee healer in mop to this in foreverWhat a downgrade ....
>>580797829>no playable murlocseveryone lost today
>>580797883I'm legit astonished and I really want to know what the fuck were they thinking but they don't adress this at all and pretend everything is fine.
>>580797862You cc someone then heal to full. It's like using a dozen bandages at once.
>>580797736faggotuhhits just fun to shitpostwhy are you taking ANYTHING you read here seriously or letting it effect your opinion?i've been dooming for hours because for whatever reason i just know that there are people that are seething about it like the faggot that decided he couldn't take it anymore and split this thread off from ceegee (killing it)i already bought the super piggy versionbasically, you're a moron that is easily influencedbe better
>>580797837>Orc is still top 3 most picked pvp race.doesn't matter, they're dogshit now compared to human and gnome. they got nerfed into the ground
>>580797898he's technically right because it gives you more/faster rested
>>580797962chinks dont give a fuck about pandasthey wanna be sexy elves
Nerd chuds, how are stats looking like?Looks like they standardised a lot of things, including haste.
Im only inviting skyborne because i know they're not poor/third world by default
>>580797718Looks like an additional talent type systemhttps://www.wowhead.com/forever/news/warcraft-forever-legacy-system-explained-382842
>>580797971These talents are way fucking better than Turdle. You're on crack.
I'm praying Discipline Priest is good
>>580797875>Elves again.Do people think picrel is better?>>580797959>its just sod2 dlc with mtxI never played SoD and what do we even know about mtx? Are there WoW Tokens? Multiboxers? Bots? Mounts?
>>580798050Human and Gnome have the same stun and movement removal racials on retail too. We literally have direct comparison to know Orc is still crazy strong in pvp.
>>580797883>did troons find something lame and repulsive cool?What do you think?
>>580798203>Do people think picrel is better?AbsolutelyThey could've done blood elves and high elves and people would've been fine too.
>>580797898Clearly the rested XP buff is an XP boost and the talent change is level 9 not five you fucking spastic
>>580798203>Do people think picrel is better?Yes. Like a thousand times better.
>>580798174no. I said they look worse. reread it until you understand
Looks like the turtle/ascension players didn't convert. The trailer has less views than pserv trailers.
>>580798137You get this from accomplishing cheevos?
>>580797583>Not in raids i heard i thinkAny confirmation on world buffs please?
>>580796668That's cool and all but I'm going to go full Destro.
Everything looks good/tolerable besides the faggot blue elves. Hopefully there'll be an option to automatically put them on ignore.Could've been much, much worse. As long as the new quests/zones are good and fit the lore, I'm happy>>580798214>Reduced cost and +10% damage/healing on your next 3 abilities.retail gnomes don't have this retard. it's blood fury but better.orcs are mid now, sorry
>>580797564>orcs stun resist is out>humans get a free stun immunityhorde rogues are gonna have a bad time the first time they see a human mage racial their cheap shot and then blink the kidney into a polymorph
>>580798137what a baby mode you unlock, 5% max HP/Mana each kill lol
Why do these fuckers force Elves down our throats for Horde?
>>580797636brack might be right on that. are players ready for when they don't get a new piece of gear over the course of a year? true horizontal progression goes against what wow players know and want: more gear upgrades. in a game like classic ffxi it works because you can play every class on the same character so there's always something to chase.
have they said what they're doing about servers? with the firstname/lastname thing the only obstacle to a megaserver is hardware
Today, September 12th, 2026 - a date which will live in infamy - classic+ was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Blue Elves.No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the classic+ people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. I believe that I interpret the will of the Alliance and of the Horde when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us. Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory, and our interests are in grave danger. With confidence in our armed forces—with the unbounding determination of our people—we will gain the inevitable triumph—so help us God. I ask that the shitposters declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by the Blue Elves on Saturday, September 12th, 2026, a state of war has existed between the classic+ playerbase and Blizzard.
>>580798302You can start getting talents at level 5 with the legacy talent tree thing.
>>580798203>Do people think picrel is better?yes? obviously. high elves shouldn't be a neutral race so picrel is ahead of the curve just by that alone, it's also a lore accurate race that exists pre-vanilla rather than a weird fanfic OC variation that had no buildup.
>>580797431>legendaryThem hinting at it having a legendary weapon is basically all you need to know. They're going to have multiple legendary weapons for people to grind for similar to GW2.
>>580798407You are not one of us, it looks like dogshit
it's never been more over
>>580797036>>580797231>>580797431How does OSRS do it?
>>580798417>>580798407gnome rogue is going so be so incredibly OP its not even funny.
>>580798463Lastname is just a bullshitter, probably not unique
all they need to do, to seal the deal, is DISABLE ADDONS HOLY SHITNO METERS NO DBM NO WEAKAURAS
>>580798203>Do people think picrel is better?yes, much much betterogre works for horde too
>>580798479>but not more than 51 totalso its a nothingburger, its for twink faggets
>>580798328And I'm saying you have shit taste because nearly every spec is obviously going to be more fun than their shitastic Turdle versions. Except for possibly Ret but I don't know how they played and the seal twisting shit they're doing on Forever looks pretty ass. Turdle gameplay was barely a step above vanilla. This is looks much better. Better as in more fun. Which would be implicit if you weren't a retarded, ESL thirdie.
any profession changes or is this just low effort garbage
Classic chads ...... I kneel .....
so what're we rollin'?thinking i'm going human rogue or magekinda wanted to play horde because i always play alliance but i don't really see the point at this rate
Unironically do not know what to play. I wasn't expecting talents to be this shitty.
>>580798531they explicitly say it's a questline. it's probably one of those legendaries everyone can get like the mop cape.
>>580797636I don't mind if the raid gives you actual interesting RPG-like items instead of being rats on a treadmill chasing ilvl. Yuck.
i fucking hate maelstrom weapon, why did they add this stupid wrath shit into classic
>>580798560Will gnome really be that much better than human for rogues?
>>580798565the combo has to be unique, and lastname is requried at creation. you can hide it in game but its basically equivalent to your battletag identifier
>OMGOMGOMG MY GAYFAGGOT GAME IS GOING TO GET ITS ROOTS DEFILED BY THE GAYFAGGOT DEVSJust came by to say you deserve all the depraved faggotry they have and will continue to insert into warcraft.Have a good day.
>>580798696immune to snares and slows temporarily10% dmg on 3 attacks5 extra energy
>>580798569Meters are built into the UI.
>>580798576The whole point of the legacy tree is to help your alts. Getting your talents 5 levels early is extremely helpful for leveling.
>>580798670Won't stop them from adding more legendary questlines etc, if they really intend make this be a slow burn type game.
>>580798424Because women refuse to play ugly characters, as do many consoom brained men.I understand why they gotta force elfs onto horde, why did it need to be a whole new special elf when we already had established elves that reasonably fit into both factions.The only problem with giving both factions blood elves is who gets silvermoon?But really the troll capital city is still 6 huts occupied by level 8 mobs so who cares, throw blood elves in tirisfal or high elves into elwynn
>>580798569>DISABLE ADDONSThis faggot is actually too stupid to put add-ons in a folder KEK
>>580798696Yes they have 2 racials that help them with energy + remove snares. it's going to be insane.
>>580798203I hated Turtle with a passion but they got many things right, this being one of them
>>580798729Go tell your pajeet mates in /wowcg/Oh wait no wowcg on catalog? HmmmHaha have fun in your empty server eratranny
>>580798696yes, look at this shit5 extra energy + first 3 attacks have reduced costgnomes will be able to stunlock much better than any other racethen they do 10% more damage on those 3 attacks (imagine ambush + backstab + backstab all doing 10% more damage) AND they can break roots on 1m cooldown still
>>580798665a lot of the shitty classes are still shitty we are PRAYING for the beta to fix them druid in particular looks like mega ass and paladin probably is going to be ass too.my fear is that they will release a bunch of unbalanced shit and spend the first year drastically rebalancing over and over again and the game will be an unplayable mess
wtf the nu-bluelves are so fucking sovlless. I unironically think pandas as a neutral race would be more faithful to classic. Because of WC3 or some shit
my only wish for this game is to keep the faggot esports shit away from it. make it easy as shit, I don't care. no keystone pushing, no 20 man mythic pain chamber bullshit, just make it fun and let me sink a shit load of time into it. make it grindy, I don't care. just no esports.
DO SHAMANS GET DUAL WIELD OR NOTwhy the fuck are we getting sky elves and not ogres?
>>580793312cant wait to shit on you retards with reck bombs.
>blizz learned literally nothing from classic and is making a game of mass appeal rather than a love letter to vanilla
>>580799079Ambush backstab ambush anon, read the sub tree lol
>All the people that payed for multiple boosts in Anni TBC just to get rugpulled 6 months later
>>580798960>Because women refuse to play ugly characters, as do many consoom brained men.I get this much, but why elves again? Are they literally the only race on Azeroth that people will jerk off to?
>>580799160god I hope not, enh shaman in sod was just retail enh
>>580794770didnt play classic ever I'm guessing
>We are bringing WAR back to WARcraft>The vanilla artstyle is timeless>Q a gay Dwarf running after a wisp in a field of flowers with his bear lover>Literally who bright blue elf race who live on a floating island in the sky>Backported gay bears from retoilet that are out of place>Dragonflight animals in the new zones>They've been working on this since 2023Actual fever dream material.Cryboomers will claim this is better than just playing Vanilla-Legion WoW
>>580798720So I can have the same first make as someone else as long as my last name is different?
>>580799063Anon, I haven't touched WoW since BfA and will continue to laugh at you for still playing this shit.See you on the next gayfaggot announcement that crosses my media feed.
>>580799160Looks like Enhance can 2H and maybe choose dual wield too
Somehow we are paying more for a shitier experience. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS SHIT TO ME. I Don't mind paying for an official Classic+ but it more expensive and we have less content than turtle/ascension.
>>580797636Horizontal progression only works in games that promote build diversity and gear swapping while in combat.
If chuds really dislike bluelves they can just be loud and blizzard will listen. They said they will listen to the community. So just say something, they can remove them, 51 days is plenty of time.I hope they remove them, there should be NO other races. Maybe 1 or 2 years down the road with community votes.
orcbros.... our racials...
Cannibalize now restores mana too. Huge buff for leveling undead.
>>580799240>a love letter to vanillathat's been tried before and is called vanilla freshnobody like that shit
>>580798960Silvermoon would make for a cool battleground, maybe even a big 40v40 for control over the different districts between the belves and helves
>>580797609based
>>580799323The Trailer was esoteric and good.
>>580799408>front and center for all the promo material and already sold a product based on their inclusionnot happening lmao, games already perpetually fucked
>$100 for beta access
>>580799160There's no dual wield in the Enchantment tree, so they almost certainly don't get it. Which means I'll never play it but that's fine because I like Elemental and Resto enough on their own.
>>580799352how long do you think it'll take for devs to go back to vertical progression? the 3rd set of raids that they add during next summer? maybe they'll hotfix a bunch of loot in the 2nd set of raids?
>>580798329yeah cuz everyone watched the streams retard
damnit what race/class should I play?undead warlock/priest seem goated.
>>580799327yep, and you can hide the lastnamenot sure how inviting people to group and shit would work, presumably you'd have to be able to see their last name when you right click on them or something. so dont pick anything gay
wait so how does it make sense for the scarlet crusade to hate the forsaken when they've got paladins running around now?how does it make sense for a paladin to be murdering civilians in hillsbrad?>but prieststhe forsaken priests are all shadow priests in lorethere's no shadow paladins
SEX
>>580799412Why is this 1 faggot doomposting about Orc racials when they are the strongest on Horde by far?
>>580798617turtle is more fun than base vanilla and an elegant continuation of it, and this is mostly base vanilla with a few number tweaks. it doesn't take a genius to conclude that this will be less fun.
>>580799508It's actually 75 canuckbucks. Which is still fucking retarded but you could stand to learn to read. I'm guessing you're one of em French Canadians.
>>580799573you can have undead pallies because of Zeliak. So i'm okay with it and it KINO. Everything else is not though.
>>580799573
https://poal.me/s96qbhhttps://poal.me/s96qbhhttps://poal.me/s96qbh
>>580799573>thinks nu-blizzard cares about lore
>>580799508the beta only goes up to level 30, don't fall for it.
I just wanted Goblins.....I hate every Horde race except Gobs.
>>580799543Troll warlock has endless mana with lifetap troll regen
>>580799160its baked in.just like how rogue can sap without speccing into it since they removed the talents
>>5807991602h with maelstrom, sounds horrible
>>580799573Undead having paladin change nothing, they're still undead
>>580799573there was already like 2-3 undead paladins in vanilla
>>580799573>wait so how does it make sense for the scarlet crusade to hate the forsakenThe Scarlet Crusade is literally ran by evil demons you stupid motherfucker, you didnt even play the game
so did blizzard just make a new starting zone for a newly invented race instead of making a new zone for every other race?
Forever is slop and will dead within 1 year and that's on god.
>>580798838The first 3 attacks also have a 10% reduction in energy cost
>>580799864yes and to access it you need to pay 30 bucks.
I'm going to play it for a month because it has no box cost. $15 will be worth it and I hope I run into some cool people while playing. Just like the guy I ran into playing anniversary who spam whispered me "nigger nigger nigger" but I didn't report him because I'm not a faggot.
>>580799573why does alliance allow warlocks in their ranks?
>>580799635>when they are the strongest on Horde by far?that's why, horde got fucked over
Forever is kino and will live forever.
>>580799820>the evil demon is strat is mind controlling 100s of NPCs across 3 zonescool story bro>>580799807in vanilla/wc3 lore, if you're a paladin, you're a good guy. undead paladins are good guys. but forsaken quest arc is all about being evil and killing innocents
>>580799408>Just remove the thing you worked on for the last several yearsYeah not gonna happen, they learned from WoD which cut content that didn't work. This whole thing will literally burn if they cut shit because your average pootoilet faggot and cryboomer streamer cock gobbler do not actually give a fuck.
>>580799573It doesn't make sense but your average retard will pretend it makes sense to lore because they want to play an undead paladin while also larping as someone who likes classic lore despite the fact that their sensibilities are nu-wow in nature. It's having their cake and eating it too.
>>580799874no dubs go die alone faggot
what are the chances of the chick at the end of the cinematic being Azshara because in this timeline Azshara struck a deal with Al'akir instead of N'zoth?
>>580799820It's secretly run by Balnazzar, that doesn't justify undead amongst their ranks you fucking retard
I only have so little in my Vidya budget, This or GTA VI?
>>580800014>in vanilla/wc3 lore, if you're a paladin, you're a good guy.mf have you ever played a single warcraft game in your entire life?
>>580799906i would say that isnt as big of a deal because it would only be like 2-4 energy at most, but since tick energy is gone itll matter more
>>580800098Give me a handy and I'll buy another game for you
Kind of funny how all the youtubers believed it would be a brand new game with the world set in warcraft 1 or something kek
>>580794173The changes are complete piss dogshit nothing. Not even close to SoD.If they are gonna add all the disgusting retail shit, blue faggot race but hardly change classes at all I'm out.
>>580800091>that doesn't justify undead amongst their ranks you fucking retardI hate you filthy tertiaries so fucking much
>>580800141>confuses death knights with paladinsis blud retarded?
>>580800069>because in this timeline Azshara struck a deal with Al'akir instead of N'zoth?They avoided every using terms like "timeline" or "AU" because there is no timeline or universe. Forever is a cash grab, they're not going to tell a story. They're selling an amusement park to membaberries.
>>580800014Wrang. Hes impersonating the Scarlet High Lord. Thats why they listen to him.
>>580800224He was shoved on a fucking secret room and tortured like a dog, you are the most retarded gaylord nigger in this thread by far.
>>580800216some classes/specs won hard. prot paladin is an example but they probably wanted to address the tank shortages.
>>580800216>I hate the disgusting retail shit>except for the disgusting button mashing retail shit gameplay>that I absolutely LOVE!like what are you even saying, moron?
>>580800191You can literally see all the streamers trying to power through. This game is gonna be shilled and abandoned. people forgot SoD.
>>580798670>1 month between launch and first raidsGrim. Should be 2 months. Filter out all the speedrunning parse obsessed niggers.
remove blue elvestakes place BEFORE Arthas betrays Lordaeron but AFTER Lich King loses control of undead like sylvanas and other forsaken (Teasing possible High King Arthas in future update)undead and BLOOD elves are 3rd faction "forsaken" with Sylvanas and (whatever blood elf) as joint faction leadersnew class specs >actual melee hunter>necromancer>actual holy-dps priestetc>expand the old zones >add more quests>add more professions (like blacksmithing not completely fucking dying after lvl 25) and end-game profession-dependent items like TBC hadthere i fixed classic+
damn that "drowned city" or whatever dungeon looked empty as fuck, like an unfinished hobby project with just some terrain geometry and ground textures that the maker got bored of halfway through and dropped it before adding any doodads or decorations
>>580800314Was he impersonating the established high lord, or was he always that high lord?
>>580794007Yup. Game was probably already doa in the West, but this pretty much seals it.
>>580794574now he have now robes from his last two years sucking trump cock, any slef respecting wow playerknow to stay away from streamer guilds
>>580792543>WUH WUH WHAT?! I CAN PAY 30 DOLLARS TO PLAY AS A BLOOD ELF RECOLOR IN WORLD OF WARCRAFT "FOREVER"?! LET ME JUST FINISHING SHITTING MY STY IN DELIGHT AND PRE PURCHASE THIS YUMMY SLOPPA! HOLD ON. AAAAAHHHHHH UUURRGGGH. JUST SHIT MY BRAINS OUT SOMETHING FIERCE. OINK OINK SUUUUUUEY SUUUUUUEEEEEEEEY SNORT SNOOOORT *braaap* SUUUUUUEY SUUUUEEEEEY OINK OINK OINK *braaaaaap*
>>580800262>doompilling for (You)s>on the fucking DAY Classic+, true, genuine, actual Classic+ got announcedYou don't de>>580800395I rememberserve to make it.
>>580800430esl, most likely brown, patthetic
>>580800249Arthas stopped being a good guy when he was still a Paladin. There are also NOC Paladins in vanilla who are very much portrayed as villainous in their extremism.
>>580800314listening to him doesn't mean they've all become crazyhow is a scarlet crusade paladin supposed to react when he sees a forsaken paladin purging scourge? and why would a forsaken paladin be down with just using the holy light to murder civilians and spread plague in hillsbrad?
>classic+>it's classic with all the same shitty balance and some random meme talents that change nothing added in>+blue elvesbravo blizzard
>>580800446Someone contact the Blizzard Shill Center, one of the jeets is glitching out.
>>580795481it funny since he get mad at Hasan for doing the same, pot calling kettle black
>>580800372Looks better than stockades and rfc tbf.Not the highest bar to clear granted
>>580799352This. Horizontal progression works in OSRS because>different gear is good for different PvMand, importantly>YOU ARE REPEATING PvM ACTIVITIES OVER AND OVER AND OVER AS MUCH AS YOU WANT, INSTEAD OF BEING RESTRICTED TO RAIDING ONCE A WEEK, SO OPTIMIZING YOUR GEAR ACTUALLY FUCKING MATTERS
>>580800395I remember reading somewhere that he killed and replaced him. So Saiden Dathrohan (Scarlet Highlord) was an actual guy that actually commanded the crusade at one point. Balnazzar killed and replaced him but im uncertain on the details of when or how.>>580800262>trying to doompill on the day actual real Classic+ was announcedYou dont deserve to make it.I have no fuckin idea what happened >>580800446 here but I didnt hit post yet.
>>580799916>yes and to access it you need to pay 30 bucks.30 bucks? are they fucking retarded? will the conzoomers just slop this shit up?
>>580800537>it's classic with all the same shitty balance and some random meme talents that change nothing added in0% chance you've actually looked at the talents if you believe this.
has blizz said what their stance is on post-vanilla lore that is claimed to have happened before vanilla? I'd like it if they decanonized everything that was established after vanilla. it should be a branching timeline of the devcycle, not a branched timeline of the same universe.
>>580800360it's classic with 1000 more quests, you're going to hit max level with little effort. the new zones will probably be fucking full of efficient quests like retail. i guarantee the skyborne starting area is insanely efficient and probably way faster than all the others.
CAN YOU NIGGERS PLEASE STFU. IT LOOKS GOOD IT GONNA BE GOOD.
>>580800446same
So whats happening with MoP and TBC Anni? Like what is the plan for them in the future? WoD and Wotlk?
>>580798203>Do people think picrel is better?yes
>>580800502The scarlet crusade attack human paladins so why wouldn't they attack an undead paladin too? The scarlet crusade are retarded jobbers who never accomplish anything
>>580795534whatever happend to staysafe? i saw he been grifting the right like asmon
what class are you guys gonna play?adding lava burst to shammies seems fucking ludicrous theyre already 1shot cannons in vanilla PvP, i might go for that. undead pala seems kinda cool but at the same time, ehhhh
Looks great, but the new elves might be the worst thing everCant believe the retards at Blizzard never said no
>>580800695>fell for it again award
>>580800592its mostly solo in runescape too, half their players are ironman
>>580800675pretty sure they strongly insisted on the fact it's happening in the beginning of vanillaI bet they'll do their own revamp/twist of molten core and naxxramas, or maybe do different shit alltogether
im so disappointed bros, i was so hyped for classic+ and instead we are getting retail- and i have to play it because this is as good as it gets
>>580800695>NO NEGATIVITY IN THE DOJO
>>580800706Pretty sure classic dies with mop, anni dies with tbc, era will remain as era
>>580800675Obviously they're not going to do this because it would mean Draenei would be gone and they're not going to risk alienating players who like Draenei.Blizzard wants sales, not to preserve the integrity of a setting nobody in the company was involved in making 25 years ago.
>>580800695>He's still in the denial phasengmi
>>580800678>i guarantee the skyborne starting area is insanely efficient and probably way faster than all the others.I watched someone stream it. It's a basic ass starting zone with the same experience rates you'd expect from a vanilla zone. It did look a little small though so it might be faster than the others on account if minimized travel time. Didn't look much faster though.
>>580798137Okay, this is in no way like vanilla or even Classic. What the fuck is this?
>>580800372I thought it looked realistic for an underwater area that resurfaced, it would be bare. maybe they will hang some christmas lights for you anon
BLIZZARD DID IT
>>580800848>anni dies with tbcanni is ending on wrath
a lot of you are complaining but what would you want changed?
>>580800818Revamped classic raids are already confirmed. Persinally I just wish they'd do away with 40man entirely. But if they're going to supply enough 10 and 20man raids with equivalent gear so I never need to do them then I'll be cool with their existence.
>retards itt think blizzad was ever going to cater to classic playerslmao, theyre adding blue elves to draw in the troons that still play retail, why the fuck would they market to people who are already playing classic?the cinematic is literally "here troons and seattle college students, a safe space"
>>580800837But it's a genuine classic plus? New zones, new dungeons and raids, lots more quests. That's what classic plus should be. Anything more than that ends up like SoD as retail minus.
Are they doing a Q&A for Forever? I need someone based who's attending to ask about future races, and use Goblins as an example.
>>580800496arthas is an evil paladin for only 1 mission in WC3. he gets frostmourne and kills bronzebeard. then next time you see him in the UD campaign, he's a death knight. evil paladins don't exist, the scarlet crusade paladins are just overzealous. that's being misguided or crazed, not outright evil.a forsaken paladin is outright evil if the old forsaken quests are still in (killing civilians, torturing people to death etc)>>580800739>The scarlet crusade attack human paladinsthis never made sense in lore either but blizz didn't want to scrap 4 dungeons for alliance players
LFM DEADMINES NO SKYBORNE
>>580801078why not just... keep developing retoilet for retoilets then? I don't get it.
>>580800818>it's happening in the beginning of vanillayes, but that's not my question. reetail insists on ideas like naaru, which in retail existed "before vanilla" but were not introduced before tbc in real life. so does naaru exist in forever? or can they find a different thing to represent the Light? >>580800863I don't think it's obvious, people that like draenei can just play retail, you're also closing doors to make new things that people like with this attitude. they also wouldn't strictly speaking be prohibited from recanonizing draenei and changing other elements, it's a question of what degree of freedom they have granted themselves. personally I spit on almost everything introduced after retail and would like it to be redone better or not done at all.
>>580801061i wanted a prequel
>>580801061remove blue elves, add high elves. fixed.
>>580800495>paypig shows up to offer an unsolicited description of itselflel keep lapping the slop up you dickless faggot; i accept your admission of defeat.
>>580801061The entire dev team.
>>580801106umm Arthas wasn't evil, he was trying to save Azeroth from the undead and from his point of view the jedi were evil
Forever cucked out of genuine classic plus
When they showed the undead vs scarlet crusade cinematic I thought for a moment that was the classic+ cinematic with an alternative timeline and I was doing the basedjak face
>>580798137>>580800943We don't want Classic, we want Classic+. We like this. It's better than Classic, it builds on the Classic experience, the moments that defined us, the communities were created, the friends we made, the adventures we shared, WE LIKE THIS.
>>580801061I'm in a weird spot where Blizzard catered specifically to me with the Sky Elves, making something that I understand as an esoteric symbol.So I like them. But I could also see how they could've done this in a way which was more paletteable to the majority of the WoW playerbase. Such as High Elves on Alliance and Blood Elves on Horde.But maybe this is their way of doing that. This is their way to give both factions Blood Elf Models and then Ogres will come later.
>>580801318>and then Ogres will come later
>>580801082you can just tell by everything shown that the game is clearly being worked on by people who dont understand why classic was successful in the first place, and dont have the talent or vision to emulate it
I will continue developing my own server for me and my friends, this looks like dogshit
>>580801264same, was fooled for it to be wc3
>>580800943They're trying so hard to inject "soul" into the game. I don't think they realize the classic soul is already stripped away
>>580801061Less systems, not more.Classic was about the world. This feels like it's about the systems, not the world.
>>580801401no one asked you freak now piss off
>>580800350No one wants 1 button rotations retard. Class design shows how lazy they have been with this, slapping a few "new" talent points and calling it a day. Enjoy your blue faggot $30 race.
>>580801230You can make your sex elf look like a high elf.
>>580801061My ideal would have been a less dramatic starting point. Adding a shit ton of new dungeons and bringing back Onyxia as the only returning raid is kinda fucking nuts. Having 10 man, 20 man, and 40 man raids is also a weird structure, they're trying to cater to too many peopleI think that's the problem with Forever in general. It's made as a mass appeal product instead of being something made with a vision like the original classic was. It's the same issue that plagued WoW after the Activision takeover.
>>580801061Honestly, the fact that this is basically confirmed to be the death warrant for Retail is itself enough for me to be happy.
>>580801190autist answer: the skeleton of archimonde is still in Hyjal, which imply the continuity of event involving the draeneis, the naarus and the Legion, so those are inreal answer: I think blizz will pick and chose based on what's popular and convenient for them, worst case scenario they can simply not mention any character/event again instead of decanonizing it
>>580801396Yeah that's a given no matter what they do. Blizzard is an empty shell of what it was 20 years ago. All we can do is hope they don't horribly fuck it up.
is it worth buying the w3 scenario or will it be pirated soon?
>>580801190Okay, let me get you to double down on this.You really, really think they'd un-retcon Eredar and Draenei to restore the WC3-era Draenei lore? You really think they'd do this for Forever?Be honest, be sincere, don't play to a side or to optimism or to your own narrative. Be real. Do you think they'd do this?
>>580801318You keep saying "esoteric", yet you obviously don't know what the fuck it means. You've said it to describe sky elves in at least 5 posts across the last two threads. It makes you look fucking retarded.
>HordeOrcs, Trolls, Tauren>AllianceHumans, Dwarves, Gnomes>NeutralsNight Elves, Forsaken.Later on: Ogres for Horde, High Elves for Alliance, Goblins and Pandaren for neutralThis is my genuine, shit take
I'm writing up my planned WoW Forever Characters.So many cool characters to pick.
>>580801476what does that even mean?you can't just do the same game, again, re-re-re-released.
>>580801396The last vestige of devs who could have given us classic plus were hostilely removed during the sexual misconduct allegations. Anyone expecting better from modern Blizzard is a moron.
NEW CLASS? NEW CLASS? WHATS THE RACIALS OF THE NEW RACE?
>>580801061just remove the stupid ass elves
holy fuck druid is going to be so shitty bros!!!! i'm so hyped!!!!
>>580801680At least we got Big Z(irene) who I think is the only person on the team who actually understands the game. Everyone else seems retarded.
>>580801640I was going to say this as well, that anon is autistic
>world of warcraft: Skyborne the last Airbenderslmao
>>580796613Those are blood elf npcs (alpha models) little nigga
>hyjal and onyxia for 7 months>waiting for deep breathes and waves of enemiesWAKE ME UP WHEN FOREVER ENDS
Just talked with my friend at Blizzard, turns out the Sky Elves were Metzen's daughters idea
>>580801704No new class but they said they're on the table in the future. Racials have been posted. Try reading the threads.
>>580801638it's not a matter of what I think, I'm simply asking if they've taken a hard stance on it so that I can bitch and moan in earnest rather than bitch and moan based on presumptions.
the blue elves feel so odd and out of place
>>580801640But you know what I mean. A spiritual truth that not many Humans on Earth know.
>>580801507Wanna add on to this post quickly. Look at what all is in the special editions here >>580799508There is housing decor, transmog sets, and paid mounts. That right there is a major red flag for future monetization via a cash shop. Classic WoW doesn't need housing or transmog, those are mass appeal features for casuals and women.
>>580801775feral is busted
>>580801061evidence that live GMs will exist and the game won't be yet another unmoderated ghetto of bots and RMTalso no blue elves, but mainly the first thing
>>580801640hes probably fishing with a dogwhistle for some obscure racist/deviant/autistic reference but nobody is getting it. sad.
>>580801654forsaken should be their own 3rd faction
>>580795264NTA but doesn't Aion have blatant P2W? Whatever issues you have with WoW Forever its not that bad as Kslop
>>580801490Nobody wants 40 button minmaxed combo slop either, troon. Fuck right off.
>Arms warr gets overpower procs from rend.That's literally it for the whole spec, wtf are these retards at blizzard doing.
>>580800746>Payo is butthurt at Staysafe having more viewers>constantly accuses him of viewbotting over the course of several months>eventually culminates in other streamers taking sides too>???>Ziqo gets involved>conversation pivots to muh racism>some tattletale notifies Twitch about Staysafe being a /pol/tard>Staysafe gets into a cycle of getting banned/unbanned>knows his income is at stake and starts focusing on being a political youtuber>now gets even more views and money than when he was on twitch
List of talent changes https://nikftw.github.io/forevertalent/mage/I think professions are wrong, but I'm not sure
>>580801507>a less dramatic starting pointi think it's powerful. by going to "the start of vanilla", it means they could, in theory, steer this any direction they want. which is very cool. it has a lot of potential if they do it right. in a sense i agree about the mass appeal problem, but the casuals are the fodder that keep the game alive. they buy your shit on the AH, they're who you gank in STV, they fill your slots in pugs. you can't isolate these people because they're the bulk of the playerbase, in reality.
>>580801965yeah man every 40 years your next 3 claws are going to be PUMPING!!!!
where is he, we need him now
>>580801914Blizzard doesn't take hard stances, you know this. I refer you back to my first post:>>580800863>Blizzard wants sales, not to preserve the integrity of a settingThey have no stance. They have a motive. Money.
>>580801486Seethe about it, this crap is doa, only troons will remain after a month
>>5808020301 button boomer no hands no skill no eyes no monitor no brain 1200 peaker pisslow bitch, you have era for your skill level fat bitch.
>>580801919And you think you're privy to a secret truth behind the existence of sky elves that other people don't understand? That anon who callee you autistic was being too generous. You're straight up fucking schizo. Meds. Now.
>>580802103>pressing clawngmi
>classic racials for pvp heavily favor horde>wow forever racials for pvp heavily favor alliance
>>580801670You can. You can add new zones, classes, specs, you can revamp items, you can design more quests and storylines, you can handcraft new experiences.You don't need to add a legacy system or dungeon finder or borrow power by another name or accountwide benefits for leveling the new paywalled race or a hardcore mode. You can just make a fun world to play in. Clearly people want that, TurtleWoW was popular.
>>580801680but i thought those allegation were investigated and found false? what is the secret sauce to making timeless nerdkino if it isnt sexual assault?
>>580801932>That right there is a major red flag for future monetization via a cash shopNo shit. Egregious monetization is going to happen to justify to shareholders why they should invest in Forever. They will be aggressive with selling cosmetics, races, and classes to cover development cost.
>>580801932it is a bad smell. there needs to be heavy backlash for this. my headcanon for the blue elves is that higher-ups went "ok but we need a way to monetize this outside of JUST the subscription cost". and that's the blue elves for 30$. and i think the response was "we can do it but people won't like it". but if people refuse to condemn it, next comes boosts and race changes, paid transmog sets, etc etc etc.
>>580802031im gettin a boner
Secondary names might be my favorite feature shown. It's gonna be fun to match mine with my gf.
>>580802032desu, he first migrated to kick where he was earning $100/hr, significantly more than he was on twitchand then he migrated to political grifting which i can only assume he makes even more doing
>>580801868'YOU WILL BE HERE TOMORROW! AND TOMORROW! AND TOMORROW! AND FOREVER! THIS IS YOUR HELL! YOU CANT LEAVE HELL!'
>>580802216>>580802030Surely there can be a middle ground between these two extremes?
High elves = blood elvesBlue elves = future
>>580802113Last I heard he was strung out on heroine and basically excommunicated by his family and friends for stealing from multiple people to fund his addiction. I don't think he's gonna be weighing in on Forever any time soon.
Classic class design if fucking trash, it took them until wrath to prefect. Anyone defending classic class design is a 1 apm faggot too stupid to use keybinds, S presser. Go tend to your kids old man.
>>580802309Kigger Niller
How do we actually solve WoW Chud fanbase? seems like that the biggest problem not the devs, people work hard on this shit you twats.
I think this is it, bros. I think I just quit here. Wanted to do the trilogy one more time for one last hurrah before I called it, and now TBC is gonna die and Wrath is dead in the womb. It's been fun, bros, I'm going to miss all of you. Except that one tranny from /wowpsg/.
>>580802067Look at the dungeons they showcased on stream though. Dalaran is using all preexisting assets and the last boss was a nerfed Shade of Aran complete with the mass poly and Evocate. The following dungeon was ZF but with a shark in the water instead of Gazhrilla. I think the catering to casuals is going to come at the cost of not catering as hard to everyone else. They've split up their resources too much and it's going to end up with a game where neither the casuals and hardcore players are truly happy. And really, most of the casuals are probably going to dip for GTA 6 regardless since it launches 2 weeks after Forever goes live. Potentially the hardcore players too if they burn through getting to max level in a week and then have 3 weeks of waiting for the raids to release.
>>580802007If you're getting forsaken as 3rd faction, I want Night Elves as 4th, Like in WC3 days. Honestly Night Elf male and Nigh Elf female could be separate "races" with different racials and classes (Males can be druids, females can be priests etc.) and as third toss them dryads or something. Then Furbolgs next expansion. Why the fuck not.
>>580802387ESL
>>580802403I'll play a rogue named to honor my brother's first ever D&D character. Ned Diggers.
>>580802406>worked hard on a recolornot even blizzdrones believe this
>>580802032just decided to look up staysafe>$250k USD in superchat the last 30 days>not even counting the ad revenue from his videos and shortscall ziqo hes crying
>>580802442See you in November
>>580802442You wanted to play wotlk again willingly
>>580802495>dryadsI'm ashamed to admit I would gleefully pay $30 for this. Delicious cervine pussy.
Does anyone have pics of new abilities?
>>580802301charging $30 to let horde be blood elf is one of the funniest fucking things i've ever seen. they're gonna pay the premium to not be an ugly race. if they tried it with actual blood elves then everyone would riot so they did the next best thing.
>>580802526I won't play this garbage but at least I can see someone having fun ganking retards with s rogue named like that, hf.
>>580802043>melee hunter>lava burst>polearms become viable?>retpaladins are now viable in pvp and pveoh fug im gonna coom...
>>580802496Wow, you got me, you fat seed oil and high fructose corn syrup pig.
>>580793312Assuming they don't add those huge percent damage reduction debuffs like they did in SoD rogues will destroy everything in PvP when you have full raid gear. Clothies will just melt, especially if you are a gnome. What are you complaining about?
>>580802220There are numerous uncanny facets to the Sky Elves depicted by Blizzard which line up with the Elves I know to exist.You didn't find it peculiar that the Sky Elf was guiding that Dwarf with an orb?
>>580801061something of actual substanceeverything they presented was what you should get out of a single phase, not an entire new launch that allegedly was supposed to be a big deali think the only reason concrete leaks didn't get out was because there's fucking nothing worthwhile to leak
>>580802742You eat poop
To al those white knights defending this foreverslop, I can assure you she is not going to have sex with you.
>>580802618Nah 30 bucks to play a new race in what is functionally Retail- tells me all I need to know.>>580802628It's fun.
>>580802671New leak
>>580802752>Assuming they don't do the thing they obviously will
>>580802742DAYUUUM GOTTEM. Also how the effect of streamers now, is it just as bad or have people started to tell them to pound sand?
okay the talents look really damn good broswhat's this feeling i'm feeling? optimism? excitement?
>>580793868How does the "one shot" happen?
>>580802825she was brutally mogged by the overwatch foid
>>580802387you realise a lot of the changes are based on updates from tbc-wrath era right? ice lance, lava burst, swiftmend, riptide
>>580802592Grifting to migatards works.
Do I play WoW Forever and remain a 35 year old virgin going into 40ordo i get in shape and try get a gf?
>>580802842>replay naxx and onyxia>fun
where do I find info on how professions are changing?
>>580802783>which line up with the Elves I know to exist.Oh holy fuck you're actually an insane person. Please keep going. Tell me all about the real life elves with which you're so intimately familiar. I'm just dying to hear about them.
>>580802825My wife is so hot and beautiful in both appearance and personality that it causes me to not want any woman other than her. They simply do not compare to her.
>>580803038Do both. Get into shape and find a gamer gf
>>580803038Become the girl
I knew it was going to be shit the moment I saw the jewess ghoul doing the presentation, only a true nerd can make a good game.
>>580793312>gets mutilate>not even a capstone talent>can use with any type of weaponsHow the fuck are people calling forever rogue bad?
>>580802783Wait wait wait don't listen to that other Anon, tell me more about the Elves you know. What are their names? What do they look like? How does their language sound? Do they have any cool magic powers?
>>580803156>can use with any type of weaponsI didn't even notice that. That's pretty based.
>>580803038Forever virgin
#nochange niggers already convulsing on the floor that they cant rape another fresh vanilla realm and clear ragnaros on week 1
im going to make TWO (2) druids. one feral and one boomkin despite boomkin looking like shit at the moment (in changes i trust)
>>580803256pretty sure ragnaros raid is going to exist on foreveri WILL be clearing it week one
>>580803256Yeah I'm sure the Forever raid scene will be healthy, enduring, and a great social climate.
>>580799638Yeah, but most of turtle’s custom content is dogshit.
>>580799298>Enh shaman in SoD was the most fun the spec has ever been
>>580803051Ulduar and ICC are very fun, and the leveling is fun.
>>580803256show me twenty (20) examples where people are saying this
>>580803371and you can play it right now in retailgive me my 2 handers
already getting alt syndromewhat should I play?melee hunterwarrior (dismounting strike sounds ridiculously fun in pvp)priestwarlockdruid?
High elves are blood elves
>>580793312assassination got a second slice and dice. lmfao
>>580803334its not coming until summer 2027 and it will be revamped. confirmed by holly
Tell me about Survival Hunter.I have not played SoD nor do I know anything about it.
anyone elses mom tells them to stop telling her about how wow forever is a total flop and how the skyborne blue elfs are slop? she said no tendies if i dont stop.
>>580802470>Look at the dungeons they showcased on stream though. Dalaran is using all preexisting assets and the last boss was a nerfed Shade of Aran complete with the mass poly and Evocate. The following dungeon was ZF but with a shark in the water instead of Gazhrilla.you're not wrong. are they holding back "the good stuff"? or is there no "good stuff"? i feel like they did pretty good work with SoD, all things considered. and i would assume they'd have more resources dedicated to Forever. regardless, i think this is what we've got. if this fizzles out, i don't think there's ever going to be a second try. it's fuck or walk. and i hope they pull it off and it's good.
Do we know the new non-talent class features?
>>580803325Spanking of boomkin looking like shit: it's the reason I have no interest in playing balance. Because it literally looks like shit. Wish it were optional, but it wouldn't be very Druid-y if it were so I can't say it bothers me that much.
>>580793460>sub got an insane glow up, completely different.?
>>580803058I don't want to reveal too much about them just yet, but they live in a cloudy space with no blue sky. And are very whimsical.I've marked you and Blizzard down on the list to meet them since this has been fun. >>580803206They have names like Perry, Sylvestry, Barnaby, and Roy.They're very whimsical, listen to like Bossanova Jazz sort of music. I'll write down on the list;-Blizzard-Assorted anons from /wowg/ , /wowfg/ and if I don't change my mind when I'm back home then you'll see them.
>>580803520try harder
>>580803453Well Forever encourages alts with the legacy talent tree thing so don't feel too bad about being an altaholic.
>>580803038play it with me t.37
>>580803496Boring as shit discount rogue/warrior mix.At least in here you're not going lone wolf so you actually have a pet to manage so more buttons.
>>580802994Judging by the talents, they have not changed anything about how poorly some classes play mechanically. Wrath is on a completely different level that plays way better while not being super fast like retail. One talent from wrath doesn't change shit.
The only thing that can save Forever is how good the new quests and expanded original zones are.They should also add dynamic quests where each update to forever they alter quests in the original zones by adding new ones/remoing old ones/changing existing quests.If they don't do any of this or neglect it then Forever just becames raid log simulator.
>>580803483So a cultural divide splits the race between two factions, each joining one of the playable factions?So just like Skyborn are? Why make a new thing instead of just giving people what they have wanted forever?The realistic answer is that they would have, but they had to tack on a price tag to it and people would riot if they had to buy Blood Elves for Classic+ at $30
6h and we already got a thread schizowow forever confirmed BUSSIN
>>580803638>Boring as shit discount rogue/warrior mix.How so? Do they stealth? Do they manage rage? Stances? Poison? Lots of CC? Heavy emphasis on weapon type?
>>580803558>I've marked you and Blizzard down on the list to meet themWhat the fuck?
I hope as many people as possible get discouraged by the lack of retail elements in forever so that they will have less say. I hope forever is an extremely modest success with mostly people that actually liked vanilla sticking to it. just enough to sustain it, but not so much that bad apples can impose their tendencies. those community led polls were extremely disheartening.
>>580803638You actually will likely go lone wolf
>>580803335>wont need 30 warriors and every world buff to clear 0 mechanic bosses
>>580803038get into shape and play wow forever.just go whoring once, get disappointed then keep on playing wow forever
legacychads btfo
>>580802783people are crying about their game being ruined by sky elves but this nigga is being hounded by blizzard's new shity oc even irlno wonder he went insane, anyone would really
>>580803674you already know the quality of writing the new quests will be
>>580803729you fucking stab and kick shit for damage with a pet
>brand new version of the game revealed>wowhead has hardly made articles about itThe fuck happened to these guys? They don't even have talent trees up yet.
>>580802802what does that mean though? what do you want? a new faction or something? to me, i interpreted it as "we're cleaning some stuff up, it's classic with better bones. and we've got a team to do continuous development and we've got new zones and dungeons and raids lined up. we've (probably) got a new class in the future. and we're going to listen to feedback to steer where this goes".at face value, that's pretty good. if corpos stay out of the way, i could see it being good. i am afraid the corpos are already putting their fingers in the pie with the paywalled race, and buy-in beta, and shop transmogs, etc.maybe if people complain about that, the boot will come off the neck.
>>580803738Have fun bluddy>>580803038Brotherman you can do both.In fact, doing one will probably aid you in the other.
>ambush and backstab only work behind the target >they fixed this in sod but not in forever Why not do the same now? Am I just a major retailcuck?? I actually haven't played retail since early SL. Also I don't want to play hunter because I hate the dead zone. Mage it is I guess? Or warlock?
>>580803750They really need to put that shit deeper into the MM tree so Survival isn't incentivized to take it. What the fuck is the point of a melee Hunter spec with no pet? Having a ranged spec without one is fine because there's always BM, but being a melee pet spec is literally the only thing that would make Survival meaningfully unique.
>>580803880Without a pet*
>>580803538FILTERED
>>580801654THISalsoDalaran belongs to the Alliance
>>580803670>they didn't get balance right until wrath!>wrath talents don't change anything though!shut up bro lmao
>>580803841>gay centaur quest in Desolace>one is Magram>one is Gelkis>Romeo & Juliet starcrossed lovers premise>have to teach the Magram and Gelkis tolerance and unity by maxing both of their reps and having them talk it out
>>580803453>dismounting strikeUseless. You will still die in an infinite root, never allowed to use charge and will never be in melee to use.
>>580803925>am i justyes
>>580803942depends if the pets are dog shit
>hunter uses wrath shots with no tempolmao so are they just removing all the skill and nuance from all the classes then, it's doomed>>580803750You need 20 points for lone wolf so you can't get moongoose and all the good shit from survival You also miss out on the melee boost from aspect of the hawk on beast mastery, you do NOT want to go lone wolf.
>>580803738I keep a list of favorite people. Blizzard has put effort into giving a wink and a nudge toward the Black Sun and I enjoy the company of these generals so I figured I'd jot these groups down.
>>580803925>I want to use the skill BACKstab from the front or side of the enemy
>>580804050Seems pretty designed surv would take lone wolf, there's nothing else to talent into
>>580803521I assume they'd like to put their best foot forward when they're advertising Forever to everyone so if they're holding back that'd be a bit odd especially considering it's releasing a day before OoT which is another massive boomer Nostalgia game and right by GTA6 so the first impression REALLY matters. There's probably something good hidden in one of the dungeons or raids but I also wouldn't be surprised if this is the quality of nearly everything: a remix of already existing assets and bosses because the team was split making housing content and transmog content for retail casuals.I think you're correct that Forever is probably the only chance for this idea to ever truly take off without Blizzard giving up on it. So for the people that loved servers like Turtle, I do hope it ends up being good.
>>580804118Retail and SoD changed this so its not that crazy?
>>580803898I'm gonna be so fucking disappointed if I don't meet any elves.
>>580803538skyborne is made purely to appeal to the chinese market so the moonkin form will look like this
>>580804024>final quest in the chain phases the zone into a giant gay centaur orgy
>>580804024Sounds kino
>>580803882they got bought, that bellular cuck made a video on it
>>580803702Arthas genocided the high elves. Those who survived coined themselves blood elves. Some stayed in the ruins of silvermoon, others followed kael into outland.There are blood elves in vanilla in their alpha model form
>>580803979Goyslop brain fog faggot if you can't understand that slapping 1 random talent on each spec doesn't change shit.What a joke this place has become, go buy your $30 blue tranny faggot retail race.
>>580804024Isn't there somebody you forgot?
>>580804135anything pingeholed this early is silly.
>buy deluxe edition>sell early access for $20 a piece
>>580804135I could actually see going 20 points into BM for hawks being better than Lone Wolf. I certainly fucking hope it will be.
>>580804398Didn't the gay frogs have a child?
So you must have a first and last name now?
>>580800658Nta but it’s 100% true. At most you get one new ability but it’s still basically the same classes, even sod changed more.
Where the heck is Chaos Bolt Where the heck is Crusader StrikeWhere the heck is Wake of AshesWhere the heck is Divine StormWhere the heck is Heroic LeapWhere the heck is BladestormWhere the heck is Gladiator StanceWhere the heck is ShadowstepWhere the heck is Fan of KnivesWhere the heck is Starfall
>releases 3 days before my wedding, then I have honeymoon Well looks like I'll be two weeks behind the curve unless I take my laptop and play while on honeymoon but I'd rather not ruin the exoerince by playing on 14" screen and igpu from 2018
>>580804442Do you have to pay to play on Nov 4th? The rest of us get to play on the 12th?
>>580801704WHAT???DO U THINK MULTIBILLIONAIRE COMPANY CAN RELEASE A NEW CLASS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS TO DO THAT? IT'S NOT INVIABLE FINANCIALLY BUT IT'S NOT CLASSIC+ BRO, CLASSIC+ IS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL 9 CLASSES. NOW THE NEW RACE? THAT LOOKS AMAZING, I'M DEF PAYING 30 DOLLARS FOR THAT, IT TRULY HAS THE SPIRIT OF VANILLA, LIKE ENVISIONED BY METZEN AND OG BLIZZ BACK IN THE 90S. JUST SUB, DON'T THINK TOO MUCH, YOU'LL HAVE FUN FOR SURE BRO. IT'S NOT GONNA FLOP AFTER A FEW MONTHS
>>580804509First name: sneedLast name: feed
>>580804492Interesting idea, it could be cool over lone wolf but guess we won't know how these perform for now
>>580804242It's just a blue and white moonchicken to match the owlbear and owlcat. Only the latter two actually look cool, unlike boomkin.
>>580804509yeah it's been that way for a while retard. what does that have to do with wow?
still trying to decide my WoW Forever Charactor list. What about you guys?So far I know this;-Sky Elf Male Arcane Mage-Night Elf Male Restoration Druid-Gnome Male Frost Mage-Troll Male Survival Hunter
>>580804442Wait wait wait, is this real?
>>580804312Not all High Elves became Blood Elves, you see some in vanilla WoW who are still with the Alliance.
>>580804546it's Classic+, the + stands for warriors doing the most DPS not for other classes being allowed to play the game.
>>580804546this but also metamorphosis
>>580804442>early accessthats just the release date
Forever is only worth playing Hardcore
>>580804442I think that is just a free play for invited friends who don't have a sub
>>580804665launch is the 4th, those are just free trials that last a week that you can send to 3 friends if you buy the $80 edition
>sky elves cant be PriestsFUCK
>>580804625>It's just a blue and white moonchickennah, wouldn't make sense when there are black and white skyborne. that'd be like making human moonkin white just because it's the human baseline.
>>580793826It's basically Turtle with a subscription fee and probably going to be botted all to hell like every other retail version.
>>580804642I've mained alliance since 2019 classic so I'll probably go>tauren hunter >tauren warrior >tauren shamanMaybe warrior or shaman , have mained hunter forever and it's a bit boring always playing dps
>>580804642>Night Elf Male
>>580804442>>580804742it's a free-trial
>>580804686Name them Oh wait, its one or two npcs that dont make a whole faction
corpsecamping navi elves will give me something to do on my sub rogue at least
>>580804615There's also a talent in row one of BM that's clearly a pretty good melee DPS boost. Between that, a bit more damage from your pets, and hawks, I'm actually thinking BM might outperform or be pretty close to Lone Wolf. And at least if it's close I won't have to feel shitty for wanting to use it.
As a lore scholar, I am undecided between Female Night Elf Hunter and Male Dwarf Hunter
>>580803960I can see Night Elves and Forsaken as Neutrals. To be honest I could even understand if they switched places between Alliance and Horde altogether.Night Elves with their strong connection to natural world, spirits and primal forces would get along with orc shamans, trolls and especially tauren.The Forsaken were human once. If Lordaeron was part of Alliance of human kingdoms in life, why not in death!
So have they confirmed they're really designing the game to play more like a sandbox MMO rather than theme park, or are people just assuming/huffing hopium? It has been CONFIRMED WoWF will not be an end-game lobby logging simulator?
>>580804916>dont make a whole factionthey make up the whole silver covenant faction retard
>>580804693SoD devs hate warrior, it will 100% lose its first place on dps to a hybrid while gaining absolutely nothing in return.
>>580804934doesn't matter because pet will instantly explode in raids and you will do fuck all damage without it. Back to warrior you go!
>>580793826everythingi dont give a shit about achievements, transmog or collectionsif it doesnt change my characters power i dont care and will SKIP itforever is just sod2 which i quit after the first month
>>580804442>clearly states it gives 3 peopel acces to wow forever for a week after release>ESL anon thinks its early access
This made me realize I actually just like retail and want nothing to do with anything classic adjacent, I want a fun competitive esport not single player grindfag shit
>>580805019blizzard balance is about equity and not equality so ret or shaman will probably be #1 dps.
>>580804802As shitty and contrived as they are, that much at least makes sense. And they still have a healer option. Two for Horde.
Tbh kinda bummed it wasn't the whole "start from warcraft 1 and have kalimdor out of play until later in the game".
>>580804546This is CLASSIC. We're going back to our roots. Humble adventures, humble, low-power level adventurers, who use incredibly obscure and tremendously powerful abilities sure, and who travel to floating sky continents lost to time, but this is WAAAAAY more humble than the classic you know. It's low stakes!
What will the gnome priest racial be?
so what to play now that forever is coming? seems pointless to play tbc thats just been killed
>>580805072Good for you normalfag
>>580805019the hybrids got fuck all this time around ngl
howe do i play wow forever
>>580805096>so ret or shaman will probably be #1 dand rightfully so, equality of outcome is not enough, ret pallies need reparations
>>580793826bad: Transmog exists, Skyborne should just be high elves and alliance exclusive, No dryad race(just me, I want that). They're being really coy about what qol they have added and say they want things to be social, yet they focused on the camp feature and said nothing about whether they'll add an anti-social group findergood:they're focusing on new zones instead of overhauling, as they should
>>580804952pretty... wild range there angong. comes down to whichever you personally enjoy really.
>>580803584try harder what? to tell her about it? shes kinda mad
>>58080491680% of Gnomes were killed due to what happened in Gnomeregan, yet they were made playable.Those "one or two NPCs" were enough to make a faction of themselves in the Silver Covenant in Wrath.When Void Elves were made playable there were like 20 of them, yet Blizzard greenlit that.
>>580792797>Made a new fan fiction race to justify giving elves to both factions>could’ve just given high elves to alliance and blood elves to the horde for the same thing except it’s races people know and give a fuck about
>>580805028>Back to warrior you go!Never played a nilla woyer. Never will. Right now I'm leaning Druid or Shaman. Depends on whether or not people I'm playing with want to play Alliance or Horde, because I intend for my first toon to be a sex elf.
>>580802592>call ziqo hes cryingstress eating
>nora lost a ton of weight and also got married
>>580805307>took ozempicyou mean
>>580805258It makes sense when you realize that the entire goal is to make horde players buy an Elf race and they can't exactly charge for a race that was free initially.
so wait why the fuck does anybody think ret is going to be good? it pretty clearly looks like it got literally nothing except less janky twisting in the new tree unless i am missing something?
>>580805072interesting how nobody ever fucking asked you
>>580805307mogged by the overwatch braphog
>>580804990They confirmed horizontal progression. Level cap at 60. And theyre launching with no old raids and presumably a new gear progression at 60 altogether.
>>580805307Holy fuck that fupa
>>580792543reminder that blizzard and wow is for fags and liberals. I will never give blizzard another dollar. Rot in hell and fags. Enjoy your gay parades, bots, and wow tokens.
>>580805334So? Do you think guys care how she lost weight?
>>580804990it seems like there will be more to do both in the leveling up experience and the endgame, as well as them adding in further content in the future
>>580805208Not just you. I want dryads too
Honestly the paypig edition isn't that bad if you were already planning on buying Warcraft 3 Reforged and the new expansion ($50)then you get a month's subscription ($15) and a bunch of other perks including some cool mounts and the elf race for another 15 bucks.Not gonna play skyborne because elves are gay I just want the mounts.
>they really believe what blizz are sayingAZSHARA *WILL* REMAIN A LITERAL WHO? ZONEas will desolace, and....
>mfw literally considering PvE serveram I dumb? is PvP where its at even if I suck at PvP?
>>580804929your pic looks just like alex fr fr >>580805307ozempic, she has lopsized saggy tits now. shame, she was a good slampig now shes nothing.
>>580805431I just think it's sad the only way fat people can lose weight is a fucking drug.
>>580805171buy beta access which also buys game time for 30 daysor be subscribed and just wait for November 4th.
>>580805016This is wotlk retoilet sloperino Silvermoon and the sunwell is the core of high elfdom, and guess what... its all blood elves baby.Stick to prewow-niller wow lore.
>>580805154>chat were gonna kill hogger its gonna be EPIC
it's kind of ridiculous that they're putting out a paid "early access" """beta""" in 5 days.there are some things about this that feel like they were forced to do this, rather than choices they made because they thought it would be best for the game.i feel like that's the problem with what retail is. it has a bunch of aspects put into the game to extract dollars from the "consumer". WHY would you charge 30$ for the blue elves? the only answer i can come up with is "people will pay for it". old expansions came with in game shit. i remember getting a penguin in the mail after i bought wrath. but this is different. and it is a foul portent.
>>580805208>Transmog exists,Toggle it off, faggot.>No dryad race(just me, I want that).Actually there are two of us. >they're focusing on new zones instead of overhauling, as they shouldNot so sure about that. Of the four new zones, one is a paywalled starting zone, one is seemingly mostly endgame, one is fucking hilariously tiny, and only one is a large new zone. Meanwhile there are apparently over 1,000 new quests and extensive zone updates.
>>580805258And all the story will be about those tranny elves
>>580805137Priest racials feel like something they'll just nuke in the name of balance, but something that buffs bandages/potions or other item-based healing would make sense.
>>580805548Fattening food is addicting, they should have more willpower but if it works it works>t. Has never taken Ozempic
>>580805523the elves from the cinematic look nicethe actual playable elves look like trash
Imagine not buying as many collector's editions as you can
if i see any negativity im toggling you
Hi, never played wow before, the only older mmo I played in a similar vein was ffxi, but that was only for 40-50 hours. Would you recommend jumping into this, or should I try retail or classic instead?
>>580805653Will they be worth anything? I made some good money on the original WoW collector's edition back in the day but I thought all the others didn't scalp for much.
>>580805672kys tranny
>undead has chance on hit to heal 5% max hprogue and prot paladin are gonna be ridiculous
>>580805596They know people will pay $60 for the beta invite, it's really that simple. The game will be free on launch so they're trying to make as much money as possible on it even though there's a damn sub fee.
>>580805701just toggled you
>>580805607>spend all day on transmog>everyone with it turned off will see my shamethis isn't ok, can we cancel blizzard over this act of outing?
>>580805607>Toggle it off, faggot.no, it's a social thing, everyone having to compromise between their progression and their looks, to be stuck looking suboptimal, to not be able to wear your best in a dangerous situation, there's a romance to it that gets completely ruined by it being opt-in.
>>580805701i dont like your post it doesnt fit classic so im toggling it
>>580805682Classic+ is a significantly better experience than retail. Retail is a fucking mess. Wait for Forever.
>>580805682try classic first
>no Mind Searshadowbros... we will be still useless in pve
WHERE THE IS ALEXWHERE THE IS QUESAWHERE THE IS GRIMLIC I DEMAND PARASOCIAL FRIENDSHIP NOW
>>580805765That's fucking retarded. You're fucking retarded. Toggle it off, faggot.
>>580805765No one ever chooses to look good at the cost of lesser deeps bruv
>>580805596I hate the idea. Game is going to be datamined to shit and will be 1000 guide videos to minmax everything. Soul instantly killed.
>>580805698no. there's a sealed TBC collectors on ebay rn for $750. Seems like a shitty investment for 20 years lol
>>580805523>buying wc3 reforged and not pirating itkek double v
>>580805698who knows silly bitch>>580805682I don't see why you'd do classic before this if you ever plan on playing this.
is disc priest viable in raids?i like penance
What I don't understand is why the new Warcraft 3 Re-Reforged expansion is about the Forsaken. If they really, really, REALLY wanted to force in the Sky Elves and they wanted to do an expansion for WC3, then they had a perfect opportunity to make a campaign for them as a new race. Make some lore, some characters, some story. Ground them in the setting via WC3 campaign, grafting them into the roots of warcraft at it's very core. Sure, the result could be a disaster, but they would feel less out of the blue.
>>580805837>WHERE THE IS ALEXProbably shooting up in some alley or abandoned house.
They should let you have an AI companion that will RP with you and you can choose their combat style and personality. You CANNOT choose their talents or what the say, which is based on their personality and your interactions over time.
>>580805904Too viable if anything, the existence of power infusion will mean holy priest has 0 demand most likely
>>580805765its a community thing that dies when you add these kind of toggles, it why the dark soul community fought tooth and nail against easy mode.
>confirmed you cant toggle store bought cosmetics or mountstoggler bros...
>>580805889Pirates don't get arcade and multiplayer. Hell, they don't even have the expansion right now.
most of the memespecs still seem kind of shitwhy even bother updating ele shaman or boomkin if they have no way to maintain their mana
>>580805837Nice use of self-censorshipAlex will be backQuesa is busy being a fatherGrimlic is here
>>580805962because blizzard has a boner for sylvanas and this was the only way they can make her relevant again
>High elves should exist because wotlk loreThey do, they are called the blood elves
who the FUCK wanted sky elves? honestly a joke to not give a unique race for horde and ally
>>580805996this but unironically also ret looks shitty idk why anyone would think otherwise
>>580805984why are you spreading lies?
>>580805904It looks fucking strong tbqhwy. But that's just based on talents.
so was metzen busy getting pegged or was he just embarrassed by this showing?
>>580806069ret's always been shitty though?
>>580805996maybe new items make it work
>>580805539Don't be the retard that rolls on a PvP server without liking PvP just because streamer man says that's the true classic experience.
>>580805996i assume theyre gonna fix it with itemization but its a hail mary
>>580805208>>580805485>>580805607Dryad fans rise up
>>580806080why would anyone buy cosmetics if some chud can just toggle them off
>>580806063and they kept saying "fight for our people" while making a neutral race. the next cringe will be the release of another race that is also neutral.
>>580805847which makes it special when one does. and makes it special when you finally complete a set that's actually useful and has a cohesive look. it creates all these little milestones on your path that feel special and connected to your gameplay, instead of just doing a bit of costuming on the side that's totally separate from the rest of your gameplay. >>580805843fuck you.
>>580806063they made it so chicks would play horde, grow a brain and think for 2 seconds
>>580806116They were fine in SoD
FOMOver
Instead of transmog they should add a dye armor system
Playing rdruid and surv hunter, fem nelf ofc
>>580806234>>580806234>>580806234>>580806234>>580806234new breadmigrate>>580806234>>580806234>>580806234>>580806234
>>580806164runescape did it
>>580806063if you view it as a thing they were forced to do to monetize the game, it makes sense. i don't think anyone in the trenches doing development wanted to include sky elves. it feels artificial.
>>580805996moonkin has 50% reduced cost of wrath, maybe starfire has something similar ele shaman doesn't appear to have anything for mana which is a huge blunder
i'm staying here
>>580806192horde will be 99% elf in wow foreverplease no
>>580806213forever should have been like 90% sod. a lot of sod's changes were good.
>>580805208>>580805485>>580805607>>580806146Blizzard would be hit by a nuke if they introduced a player race with that much sexual dimorphism. I used to think another big barrier was that you couldn't sell them mounts, but I guess they're open to giving tauren a non-mount traversal option, so maybe that's less prohibitive than I thought? Or maybe that's a bad comparison since it's optional.
I don't want to talk to people though...
>>580806069but BROOOOOO i'm gonna fuckin TWOOOOOOOSTAUUUGHHHHH MY SEALS I'M FOOKIN TWOOOOOOSTING BRO AUUUGHHHHHHHMY SEALS ARE SO TWOOSTED AND TWOOSTY I'M HAVING TO MICROMANAGE MY TWOOST AUUUUUUGHHHHTHE GAME IS SO ADVANCED SO MUCH SKILL EXPRESSION I'M A MASTER TWOOSTER A MASTER OF SEAL TWOOSTIJG AAUAUGGHHHHHHHHfuckin gay ass game i'm resubbing to XIV for Evercold
>>580806310Forever?
>>580804880AGPs need not apply
>>580805523>some cool mountif the mount doesn't have a classic toggle it's actually the worst mount in the whole game
>>580796668afflic looks more fun
Sharding = DOAWhy dont blizzdrones makes a bigger stink about this?
>>580797636>RWF>horizontal progressionain't happening
>>580796105>5% more energy>cheap>backstab>gouge without nightslayer set bonus>increased damage and reduced cost on 3 attacks>temporary root immunityJesus christ, the open world is gonna be filled with backstabbing turbomanlets isn't it
