What is WoW Forever?Set in the same Azeroth but expanded upon with new zones, dungeons, raids, quests and much more.>New Race SkyborneSkyborne are available for Horde and Alliance but are not the same Skyborne. There was a cultural shift prior and now different Skyborne are aligned with the different factions. Horde Skyborne get Shaman, Alliance get Mages>Many new race/class combos including Undead Paladin and Dwarf Shaman>More than 1k quests added making a 25% increase in quest content alone>Talent Calculator https://forevertalents.up.railway.app/#warrior/60/00000000000000000-000000000000000000-0000000000000000000>When is it being released?Release date November 4th>Will there be a beta?Yes you can opt in at https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/forever#blz-optin-1https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/forever#editions
op demands wow gooning contenti'll also probably go to bed prior to reaching cap so someone else will have to make it
/wowcg/ died for this. Was it worth it?
>>580825452yes
Here's your classic race, sisters
retail minus
>>580825452none of it all was worth a damn apparently
We summob him
>warlock gets demonology and affliction reworks>pic is what you are going to be playing pressing shadowbolt anyways
The new Skyborne race looks awesome. I can't wait to play it.
Do we have a class tier list yet based off talents so far?seems to meS tierWarlock, Druid, Spriest, fury warA tier Mage, pala, Hunter, ShamB tier The rest
>>580825568Is that the grease GOD himself?
>>580825452Considering /wowcg/ has been dead for almost a year, the hype is niceBut this whole thing feels too much like a retail re-packaging >>580825489
>>580825507joining horde and getting orced day 1
>>580825452/wowg/ would also be dead if blizzard hadn't announced today that they will be removing all restrictions on dress up dolly in retoilet
>>580824984kpop spamming nerd got absolutely btfo. without wowcg he has nothing
Alexensual is coming back, boys
Remember:If it's something you don't like, its retail infesting Classic.If it's something you like, it's Classic.
>new version of wow is baiting classic andy players to come buy it in droves>its already working>blizzard makes all the new models, race additions, and changes based on retail designs and art style>the chuddies will be too invested to quit by the time this overtakes their sd models>changes will slowly be retail oriented and skewed towards that instead of classic>it will just be a lot slower like osrs so that boiling the andy toads wont make them quit>they will just cope and stay with it like they do on retail creating two versions of trapped cucks in two versions of wowquote me on this in 5 or 10 years thanks
>>580825594just like vanilla, amazing
Is there an ability list for each class yet? People at Blizzcon are able to log in and see the spellbook right? Looks like Shaman are getting Fire Nova as a spell rather than a totem, based off talent wording anyway.
>>580825670For gods sake, Quesa said he was coming back, don't encourage orc posting or he'll go nuts posting smut>>580825568Alex is already here and so is GrimlicThe whole gang is getting back together!
>"we care about the classic artstyle">*abandons the artstyle*what did they mean by this
>>580825707he must unironically be depressed because he was spamming the same shit in the retail thread and you know that nigga doesn't have a hot date LOL
If I'm not mistaken WoW was the first MMO
>>580825816No one plays WoW for the art style lil bro
>>580825507my gf in the middle(i will be playing nelf)
>>580825635If they make it too retail everyone will leave though? Classic babies are hard to please so good luck
>>580825823true and real
do i get the epic collection for the zergling pet?
>>580825507I love them. Won't make mine blue, though.
>>580825823you are very mistaken. EXTREMELY so even.
If you wonder why they added Smurf Elves on Forever, you just have to understand that the chink userbase absolutely hates playing "ugly" races. They want to play pretty elves and bunny girlsThe chinks like pic related demanded them on Forever, just like they forced Blizz to add Blood Elves to the Horde 20 years ago
>>580825823You are correct.
This is what my Horde Resto Druid will look like and there's nothing nilla boomers or toilet crusaders can do about it.
>>580825615Saw someone in the last thread say spriests are looking good. Please elaborate.
>>580825816a toggle would fix it
Why don't you post your own thoughts on things rather than making up some "classic baby/andy" to seethe about?
>>580825823not even fucking close lil gup
>>580825823You are right on the money
>>580825823first good mmo
>>580825507>azshara blue skinThis I can deal with, even if stupid.>tranny dart frog hairDisgusting, kill everyone at blizzard.
>>580825452You can tell these threads aren't populated by classic players.
>>580825809/the boys/ are back in town!!
>>580825895>not understanding it was holly who wanted it and would only greenlight this version if she could larp as her favorite oc dewdrop skyelf race>the benefit to the bug men enjoying the game more is just a happy accident
lets bring the WAR back in WARCRAFTwait no can we bring that back to world of warcraft too
>>580825952some things I saw:- shadowform has 100% increased crit damage (insane)- shadow spells cost 50% less mana in shadowform (makes them actually usable)- improved mindflay give it 10yd extra range and 20% more damage- shadow word death, which also has increased crit chance against execute targets. with the increased crit damage will basically instakill anyone under 20%
>>580825823say...i think you're rightanyways: i got a bridge for sale, you interested?
>>580825895>blueNobody is going to make them blue. Just white elf sluts.
>>580825507>hot elf bitches>pale skin and blue eyes = high elf>slightly less pale skin and green eyes = blood elfI don't see how this is a bad thing.
>>580826079yikes dont you know chris metzen has a daughter, the word war frightens her
>>580825895So they were just lazy and refused to put any effort and hard work in to institute the high elf/blood elf dynamic into the game to satisfy the player base and right a long standing wrong and are just going to point the blame for their inactions to china...got it
>>580825952https://talentsforever.com
The people asked for vulpera, and instead we got blue elves...
>>580825594What would the actual rotation be for this spec?
>>580825937no changes xisters... he can't get away with this!!!
>>580825937I will not play wowf :)
>>580826161YWNBAV
The prot paladin tree is crazy bad, doesnt even look finished.What the fuck am I reading compared to druid?
>>580826084>can give them blue eyes and white skinWhy are Blizzard so deathly afraid of just adding them as high elves? We could have the last remnants of High Elves joining the Alliance and the Blood Elves who follow Kael'Thas on the Horde, with Kael'Thas being a chad leader instead of chudding out with Illidan. Truth is, they just didn't want to make 2 new capital cities. So gay neutral race with no real home instead. And charge the trannies to play it.
>>580826161jesus christ you fuckers have to go backTHIS SHIT AINT FOR YOU NIGGA>>>/vg/wowg/
It just me or melee hunter is gonna be very viable and annoying to deal with in PvP?
>>580826219what are you doing in the wowf thread then?
>>580825895wrong pic nigga
>>580826271Why can't you have an actual critique of anything? Not everything you dislike is because of trans people.
>>580826321shitposting
Will Dalaran sewers have pvp?
UH OH doombros...This guy played WoW Forever for 6 hours and says it is NOTHING like retail: https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1wexeu1/i_played_forever_for_6_hours_straight/
at least they didn't buff BM hunters
fuck it. im getting the collectors edition. havent bought a game this year anyway.
>>580826312They need to gut the shit out of lone wolf, a 20% damage increase as a reward for making the class ten times easier that just needs 10 points in marksman is insanely retarded.
>>580826223every talent tree i could follow but the paladin shit was so confusing i cant tell whats good or bad. every paladin i saw was just spamming rank 1 quick spells in raids and ret seems like a rotation of bullshit.prot paladins like just didn't exist and in retail its just spammy aoe buttonsnone of the classes excite me guess ill just go trusty warrior
>>580825452100% yes
>>580825615Whats the best pve race for warlock? pvp? best of both worlds?
This shit is looking more and more like some overpowered fun server. Warlock Undead tanks are going to be draining huge amounts of health and have launch Blood DK self healing. It's going to be retarded.
>>580826375that is a wall of copium lmaoretail confirmed
>>580826371maybe but its ally only, not that it matters
>>580826223https://forevertalents.up.railway.app/#paladin/60/200000000000000000-1500513321301051-552000302010000000This is what the spec would look like. Talents will move depending on how bad the mana efficiency is and if we need more survivability or threat. Points can be moved in/out of Imp Holy Strike/Crusade/Toughness/Shield Spec
>>580826459Surely it's going to be rare as fuck to even proc.
>>580826418yeah not only that but im reading the Survival Tree and they are getting some spicy stuff.
>>580826386>at least they didn't buff BM huntersAnon I hope you enjoy having to deal with a big ass giga nigga pet on your ass + two hawks + several dots.And Beast mastery is probably getting exotic pets so have fun when a core hound tears you in half.
>no glad spec warriorthe only fuckin time i liked playin warrior was WoD and they cant do that ever ever ever again i guess.dont even have intervene
>>580825452/wowcg/ was the biggest bucket of crabs I have ever seen in my life
Please consider the implications of the image.Thank you.
>>580826354YWNBAW
>>580826219wowf... wowf... WOWF WOWF WOWF WOWF!
>>580826418>be me a casual who does not raid log>see lone wolf and immediately clock it as useless because i dont play part time job contentfeels good
>>580826450undeadmale
>>580826271they are remnants of high elves that's their whole thing. were associated with the elemental plane
>>580826278Can you explain your problem with vulperas? They're basically furry gnomes. Vanilla already has furry (tauren) and gnomes.
>>580826321dunking on this shit for my amusement
>>5808264955% chance on every dot tick
I only care about holy cow milk.
Hopechads won bigly today and will continue being rewarded for their stalwart optimism.>t. femdead prot paladin
>>580826640no shot lmao
>>580826375doombros?? our response??
>>580826561Head shaped like fucking masonry.
I see trannies are already seething same as they did in 2019.We are truly returning home...
>>580826543I don't get it, nicer UI instead of server list with no explanation?
>>580826471I believe you read the post in 1 minute
>friends are going alliance so I have to go alliance toosigh
i toggled my doom to hope
>>580826485>No 3 points in precisionNigger are you trolling?Also yea the talents are easy to spend and make a spec.The issue is the talents are dogshit.How the fuck do you nerf holy shield, an ability which was famously bad?Let alone nerfing conc and reck (both were also bad)Look at Iron Creed not having 100% uptime compared to Warriors version. Look at imp hoj still being a brick, reck again getting nerfed, the complete lack of talents in general its the spec with the least amount of talents in the game now.
Have they said whether weapon ap will be made meaningful in Druid forms so we don't have to farm a billion pummelers?
i have so many questions>is heroic strike next melee or instant? >is leveling still slow like classic given we have more zones and dungeons to do with more quests>is all the content soloable or will we still have to group up to kill elite orcs in redridge?theres more but thats all i can think of
>>580826543 PVE servers also have opt-in PVP like anny right?
>>580826098It's an "everybody wins" scenario for the countless players who want sex elves in both factions, but everyone is pissed off instead. At least if the main complaint was about the paywall, I would understand. But even as a huge lorefag since WC2, I'm not at all bothered by them coming up with a new racev with massive appeal.
>most specs are still memespecsle sigh... time to put the dress on... again...
>>580826703This was after the server selection screen, its a menu you can open when you have a character already selected.
>>580826740>servers>s>transfer rulesets
genuine question here, no meme, no shilling, no baiting Does anyone else find it strange that every wow cinematic now is a literal disney pixar age 3-6 tier animation?I don’t understand why, kids that age won’t play this, kids who are older already find that incredibly childishWhat is the motivation/strategy behind this art decision? I sense it as well in everything retailish it all feels like something taken from a Disney Pixar set
>>580826835game is made by weird Disney adult millennials
>>580826740you could always toggle pvp on in pve servers.
>>580826835the company is run by HR Karens
>>580826835Californian leftists
>undead warlocks with stam maxxing are going to be unkillable in PvP>spriests are going to nuke the ever loving shit out of warriors >feral Druids are going to go absolutely bonkers>lone wolf survival hunters are going to 3 shot people out of nowhereLooking forward to this. Pole arms have always been the best weapon type in wow and now survival hunters are extremely viable
>>580826532ya but it was glorious you either have that or the FUCKING FAGGOTS that ruined the retail threadbe like the crabs or else!
>>580826713>friends are going alliance>tell them to fuck off and roll hordelmao imagine living with gnomes for the next 10 years
>>580826835it was directed by disney adults
So is whitemane really censored with pants in Forever or is that a meme? Can you disable it and toggle the normal model? Thanks.
>>580826835The game was made at a time when gamers and devs weren't so obsessed with being "mature" and "adult". Can you imagine wow being made in the age of brown filter, piss filter, blue filter?
>>580826920who are you kidding pal both factions will be at least 70% sex elves.
>>580826893wasnt that breastmilk shit actually fake so they could just kick all the men out lmao
>>580826736Leveling speed will be the same.Even in current classic you outlevel many quests and just skip them.Adding more zones will just give you more options.
>>580826471R e t a r d A l e r t
>>580826835>THE DRUMS OF WAR THUNDER ONCE AGAIN> la lala la lala
>>580826751heh... just for beta testing.... right?
>>580826715Yeah no points in precision because the hit wouldn't matter if you run out of mana and the mana talents seem necessary because there is 0 mention of spiritual attunement. Now we could move points from PoJ and Sacred Arbiter but removing SA would leave you unable to refresh judgments and it's also a giga threat increase with +10% damage raw to Holy Strike. Holy Shield was nerfed but 6% of the block chance was moved to redoubt. Could maybe increase to 25% with a higher rank of Holy Shield. Much remains to be seen much is speculation. Need to know holy strike CD among other things
>>580826204>curse of reck/ele/shadow>shadowbolt into bane of agony>shadowbolt into corruption>shadowbolt>shadowbolt>shadowbolt
Fem sky elf priest here for your post raid relief
>>580827030I dont think they were supposed to see that at all, so who knows.For some reason xary's client was different and had access to more menus...grim
>>580826557How is undead better than human?
why has literally nobody mentioned that the fat beard guy's presentation was 100% ai gpt slop speakis this shit really acceptable now to where nobody even brings it up
>>580826713the moment they nerf those obviously overtuned racials people will come back crawling to horde
Which youtube grifter is covering everything in depth that I can watch over the next few days?
>>580826835In all other circumstances I agree with you but I think they did it in this cinematic specifically to give it the “grounded” vibe they’re trying to maintain with the whole staying in Azeroth no going past 60 model. It’s gay as hell but it did convey the “yeah, this just a dwarf hunter in Azeroth” and honestly if I had a pet gigantic bear I was chill with I’d probably do similar
>>580826991The only evidence of it ever happening is a woman posting on twitter so that is as good an explanation as any
>>580827090my favorite was he probably reads prompts saying "the crowd cheers!" or something because they are just silently listening and then adds a little >YEAAAAH!like they are supposed to be cheering
the biggest problem with classic, of course, is simply that retoilets are allowed to play and therefore influence it.
>>580827081only shitters and tranners play human
>>580826991Correct. But at the time everyone assumed it was true and the damage was done. Remember that this was during #metoo. Same with the "cosby suite". Turns out that was made up as well.
>>580826715you play the tbc aoe tank type paladin and leave the real tanking to druids
>>580826835woman CEO, women devs...
>>580826835As soon as I saw the bear acting like a disney animal I got depressed. That bear was a badass in the OG cinematic.
>>580827090yeah im sure blizzard would totally catch a massive lawsuit right after their anti-ai union shit went throughthat sounds very smart anonretard
>>580827081Will of the undead for pvp.Humans have no racials useful for warlocks.
I am very wealthy, extremely bored, work from home and essentially have twice the amount of free time as the average person, and desperately want to grind something. However, some of the decisions made for WoWF are such a serious offense to Reason that I wonder if I would harm my character if I were to actually spend money on it. What should I do?
>>580826098It's not classic, it doesn't look like classic, it doesn't fit classic, it's only added too cater to chinks and women. Kys.
>>580827094Nohitjerome
After the blowback from this race choice, Blizzard needs to immediately promise to take an OSRS-style stance on future choices and have users vote for new races/classes/features. Otherwise this shit is DOA in 1-2 years max and then their splintered playerbase will scatter and the whole gravy train ends.
>>580827172literally listen to it faggot, it's 1000% chatgpt generatedreally concerning how people can't even seem to identify obvious ai garbage anymore
>>580826991Reminder Jason Schrier knew about all of these "allegations" years before they were posted on twitter and used the MeToo movement and these allegations to publish a book. But did you know he also knew every single allegation was false and he still pushed it as if it were true? And this is the guy people say "still had integrity as a game journo" a few years ago. How the fuck does anyone trust these disgusting kikes?
>>580826736you wont be solo killing grouped elites as any class in the game but hunter/warlock can solo single elitesno mage soloing instances at 40+ is not the same thing
The more I read the more this seems like a Wotlk+ not a classic+maybe they'll listen and tune things in beta but ehhhhhhhh
Is Shaman Tank still a thing?That was the most successful thing about SOD.
>>580827090That is Tim fucking Jones so watch your tone, he is a legend
>>580826835I think it would've been way better if they did more segments like this, like all the classic wow trailers showing the races/classes fighting.But it's clearly the trailer goal was to show the focus was the world as the main character, the real problem is all the focus on the blue faggots.Imagine if you removed the blue wisp bullshit and then cut the end with a sequence of high elves and blood elves and shaman dwarves and some shit like troll druid fighting each other and people would've been overjoyed.
>>580827090blizz is a corporate. every corporate pushes ai like you crazy>>t.corporat
>>580826931No /spitNo /flirtNo /whistle (cat whistle)You will accept the Smurf in a wheel chair and be happy
>>580826375>trusting video game "journalists" in 2026shiggidy
>>580827183Go to retail, big spender. We don’t want monetization in our game.
>>580827269you act like they wont revamp these quests or areas to make it soloable
There look like there are enough talents to be a smite priest, idk how viable it's gonna beit's stupid the blue elf can't be priest
>>580827293i really expected the trailer to be a callback to the 2004 cinematic but it was just dragonflight shit
>>580827287Appears to be dead
>>580825594pact ruin looks better than this
>>580827238>users voteAaaa yesMulti-boxers win once again
Man everyone is gonna be FOMO as UD Pally it's gonna be so over-represented
>>580827329>We don’t want monetization in our game.You already lost this battle. There is a $30 race and mount/pets for sale. There will 100% be more shop items.
>>580827330they are atleast trying to keep up appearances about it being a journey/social thing
>>580827418Only paying customers get to vote :^)
>>580827287Shaman tank sucked you just grabbed the dungeon trash by the neck and raped them all at once with massive AOE.Same with enhancement and SOD enh copy pasting retail and just making it blue warrior while 2H shaman which was the vanilla classic rotted.Glad they pulled back on all that shit.
>>580826485This is 99% the ideal prot specImagine skipping the best prot talent in the entire tree precision for 3 points in imp one handed which only increases your white damage.You should never make specs again.The only point of contention is Toughness vs Anticipation depending on itemization and if crushing is still a thing which who fucking knows since tankings always up in the air with blizzard. Could also move a point into bulwark if you want an oh shit button but its a pretty bad one to talent for.It could also go completely out the window if we get str-sp scaling baseline but dont hold your breath.As it stands deep prot is so aggressively bad it reminds me of deep prot warriors in classic. Except their deep prot at least made them tanky, ours does nothing lol. Nerfed Holy Shield lmao blizzard is memeing with these talents.
erm….where is shadowstep??
>>580827287Not clear desu. They have some tools but they're still missing more of their SoD kit. Lock tanks are in but it's as if they're in a stripped down version with the Blizzcon client so they weren't accessible from what I can tell.Long story short, hope they explain it tomorrow during the deep dive or wait for beta for confirmation.
>>580827178>2% crit is worse than healing some of the time>rolling a race for pvp when pvp is about joining a group with other people to shit on those that don't
>arcane blast>missile barrage>arcane mind rework>bonus 6 yard rangeyeah this shit looks solid and playable
>>580827178There is a new racial that is a trinket for stuns. Also Perception is not bad. Even for PvE you get 2% crit and dots can crit now. Not sure how good Touch of the Grave is. Stuns are more common than fears, right? Either way both races seem comparable for PvP and humans are likely better for PvE than undead.
>>580827238you know osrs polls require 70% supermajority right?that would never happen in the wow community
Human warrior bros let all the plebs talk their shitAt the end of the day we will be top dps and indispensable while leveling as tanks
>>580827256nigger you are so fucking stupid it hurtspublic speaking is a fucking middle school classif you cannot write scripts like that you are genuinely low iq
How many of you guys paid for beta access already?
>>580827054skelfs can't be priests thoughever.
Stop playing horde.
>>580827558Aggrend will not let warrs be on top no way and you will still be a gimped class.
>>580827575Let's be real: almost all of us
>>580827503There's a lot of basically CRUCIAL shit missing like Hunter Trap Launcher so I'm hoping they're tomes or learnable through class quests or something.
>>580827553Depends who has the right to vote I for one wouldn’t emancipate retoiletshitters for classic electionsAnd if that were the case we’d literally build the perfect game
>>580827616Sorry but I will never pick a faction with diaper gnomes.
>wrath remixUhhh does this mean anni is officially kill? No Wrath anni?
>>580826024Fortunately for the rest of us in reality, we don't have to instantly jerk off the second the we look at something that isn't ugly. I know it's a hard concept for thirdies like you to understand.
>>580827413the demons deal no damage and you really want to max out your crit with dots being able to crit + ruin
>>580826640>what is an internal cooldown
>>580827090>the fat beard guythat could be literally anyone
>>580826736I don't think this game is for you if those are the top 3 questions you have...
>>580827565His script was fucking horrible, what are you talking about?The garbage quality and constant deluge of LLM-isms are what establish the fact that it is, in fact, AI slop.
I don't want to play horde but I want to play a Skelf Shammywhat do
I need to know the BG changes.I don't care what mutt version of class kit you give me if AV is still 2 blobs running past each other.An AV match should last almost Forever.
>>580827717you play horde then retard
>>580827687Duh. Ain't no one playing Classic anymore.
>>580827717>forcing ally shamans to be dwarfwhat were they thinking?
>>580826375Here comes the slideposting.
>Metzen didn’t even bother showing up to talk about the newest retail lore slopxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
>>580827178>Humans have no racials useful for warlocksDo warlocks not get stunned anymore? Does Perception no longer fuck rogues or something? Horde rogue is going to be shit
>>580827809Yeah cause he's on the Forever team now
>>580827761dunno but they will allow skyborne ally shaman if people just ask them to
>>580827809Metzen's baby is still being born, just you wait.
>>580827716if this is not bait yes this is genuinely the quality blizzcon presentations have had for many yearsfor every chris metzen there are many 'dont you guys have phones?'
Horde is no longer noshoes
>>580827845But there's midriffs there..Would would his daughter think?
>>580827698>5% crit is better than 8% damage and 60 spellpower and whatever little damage a pet would do (probably another 5% at least)doubt
>>580827809the word war is still in the title it scares his daughter
>>580827903Very grim indeed
>>580827809isn't he making a board game?
>>580827852I'm hoping they actually do listen to community consultation and show that by changing things in the beta based on feedbackAlso fuck lava burst I want my lightning ele shammy
Some of you retards have spent so long playing a solved game on untouched containment servers that you forgot most games are actively developed and updated. If you think any of the numbers you’re seeing right now will be what they are even a week after launch you’re a fucking retard.
I can't wait to gank people as a Skyborne
>>580827852I suppose that's true ~
>Forced to go Horde cuz friends>"well maybe Ill play undead idk">bones ruin all the gear>can't hide themWhat a gay raceEVery horde race looks like fucking shit how do noshoes faggots play this trash?
>>580827497The one handed thing has to be a typo. In TBC that same talent exists but with the caveat that it's ALL damage. Can Blizz be actually retarded and just make it white damage only? I wouldn't put it past them but I highly doubt that. White damage only has not existed for Prot. My problem with the prot spec is that it doesn't look tanky enough. 4% stam scaling only is pitiful compared to Warriors 10% and Bears giga 20%. UNLESS they removed baseline stam increase for druid and it's all in the talent now. Like I said, many things up in the air we have to take into account
will the undead racial proc on holy shield and ret aura?
>>580827809Metzen regrets the name WARcraft, he can go fuck himself, he's a washed up dumb boomer.
>>580827968Just play the blue elf.
Why are homosexuals so drawn to alliance characters?Has science ever managed to shed light on this mystery?
They hinted at a new class. WHAT WILL THE NEW CLASS BE?
>>580827917read pandemic
>high elves were RIGHT FUCKING THERE and they gave us blueberry elves insteadWhat the actual fuck, how out of touch is BlizzardI would've fucking dropped $30 to play as them, I'd never in a million years do it for these new guysYou LITERALLY just had to give helves to the alliance and belves to the horde and everyone would be mostly happy, now you've permanently got a gaping wet shitstain on the game Forever™
>>580828090you can change their skin color
>>580828064I don't think warlock dots do enough damage for it to matter but it might be closer than either of us would expect
>>580827895"Don't you guys have phones" is retarded but obviously human retardation."It's NOT a neutral race, it's a new blah blah blah" is like a super blatant ChatGPTism. One or two might have been a coincidence but the entire script is constant LLM tells.
>>580827953Yeah don't worry guys, Blizzard is going to fix everything when the game releases! All the fucked up broken racials and dead meme specs are going INTO the game. The beta will be to test servers not to make any changes. Maybe you're the fucking retard for thinking for even a second that Blizzard won't release this broken garbage.
>>580827652it works in OSRS because everyone playing that game is an autistIn wow you have too many spergs to get to 70% majority.
>>580828040legion demon hunter
>>580828090just make a high elf yourself >>580826084retoilets are already seething skelfs have more customization than anything they have
>>580828025Elves suck
I only sub to WoW during the opening month of a new expansion, and then again during pre-patch because I like the zergy open world catch-up/leveling events.
>>580828001Its not a typo its the wrath version of the talent. Its REALLY trash. It improves holy strike but holy strikes not 100% weapon damage so its in reality increasing your filler attack by a few %.Honestly I think you can even go 28 in ret for champion if the prot gear as a lot of int on it.But yea everything in the trees so bad its legitimately wild how unfinished it looks the more you look at it.Like WHO THE FUCK looks at classic and thinks "conc and holy shield were too strong better nerf them"
>>580828161Only allow the right to vote if you’ve completed the latest hardest raid tier or some rank in PvP Problem solved
>>580828090Blizzard North would have deliveredWe're dealing with Nu-BlizzKeep your head up high and your hopes down low
>>580828152doomie no dooming
>>580828161It "works" in OSRS because Jagex only puts things up to poll that they know will pass anyway. Something like 98% of poll questions end up passing, except those related to pvp because the majority of the playerbase is uninterested or outright dislikes pvp.It's basically the illusion of choice, barely different than jagex or blizzard simply doing whatever they want.
>>580828134curse of agony has always been good but unfortunately buffing 20 warriors with reck was way better so you never got to use it
>>580828225>WHO THE FUCK looks at classic and thinks "conc and holy shield were too strong better nerf them"met. me
>>580826375Anyone who watched the gameplay streams today already knew all of this. The only thing I noticed that was off was one item with stats that were way too high for its level, and Arcane Blast being hysterically overturned (1k crits at level 38); both of which are obvious oversights. Everything else was perfectly normal.
>>580820704Late reply, but the problem is that "horizontal progression" works in OSRS because the game is designed around it. Grinding a non-combat skill can give you important resources to grind PvM content which can give you resources to grind another non-combat skill, giving you the levels necessary to unlock a shortcut that makes grinding ANOTHER skill more efficient; or, hey, maybe you just want the unique drops from that PvM content, because it's BiS for others PvM content that drops unique drops for OTHER PvM content, ad infinitum.WoW is not designed for horizontal progression. Systems barely feed into other systems; the closest thing you have is gathering resources (herbs, fish, etc.) being necessary for PvE consumables - but does PvE feed into gathering professions? No, of course not, because that's not how WoW was designed. And I don't expect them to expand on the rare instances where systems like PvM and professions overlap, like the fishing boss in ZG.I don't really have any confidence in the whole horizontal progression thing. It seems like Blizzard just regurgitating a buzzword without understanding how or why it works in other games.
im joining a gamepad only guild
Why are chuds obsessed with high elves?
>>580828290"It only works because Jagex doesn't poll things they know won't pass"Thanks for the analysis, retard
>hunters are the pet class>marksman and survival will take the talent that makes them not use pets>beastmastery will be dogshit
>cant play hardcore rp-pvpdoa
>>580828329It's just an easy gotcha. If we got high elves they would find something else to complain about.
>>580828290>It "works" in OSRS because Jagex only puts things up to poll that they know will pass anyway.Why do you act like this is a bad thing? It means Jagex will only try to develop things they know players will actually want
>>580828090I think Blizz wanted to make sure there was zero issues with faction balance so they gave both Horde and Alliance THE EXACT SAME ELF. >b-b-but high elf and blood elf are basically the same!Yeah I know, everyone knows. But Blizz wanted to make absolutely positively 10000% sure that no faction imbalance happened. If they did high + blood elves then there is a chance Alliance would outnumber the Horde just from retards playing the "new" elf race more than blood.
>>580826979>sex elvesI knew if I kept calling them this other people would start to as well kek. Or maybe great minds just think alike.
>>580828147i think you are trying to just see things where it wouldnt be anonwhy the fuck would you bother using an llm to generate a 10 minute script you have to review anywaysand others would have to peer review so its PR-correctthe neutral shit was cringe because he clearly meant the race had faction exclusive classes but poorly interpreted it
Which tank will be the most fun to play?
>>580828367They don't even poll things that could be contentious, they literally only poll things they are virtually certain will pass, which is why most poll questions don't even pass with a 70% supermajority but more like 80-90%.The polls are almost entirely an illusion, the real work of determining what the community wants is done simply by jagex reading actual feedback from the conventional channels like forums and youtube.
>>580828290They never show us the numbers and aren't transparentWe can watch where every last bitcoin is being sent and authenticated but we can't do that for votes, in real life or in gameFor all we know, the voting is a sham and the head devs already made a choice
>>580828524In other words, they only poll things that are potentially good for the game, and give players the final say on whether to veto them. There's a lot of shit that SHOULDN'T be polled.
>>580828408>beastmastery will be dogshitI mean they got beastial wrath and MM got a somehow worse aimed shot. Hell look how bad most of the bottom half of the marksman tree isMM hunters will be as rare as TBC at this rate
>>580828225No the WotLK version is all damage as well. https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/talent-calc/paladinAgain, it could only be white damage and that would be actually retarded but I reallllyyyy don't think it is (cope), I didn't see the consecrate changes do you have a link? It's baseline now at least. The threat increase from Iron Creed would also stack with RF since it's pure holy.
>>580828508Druid since they got 8 million new shiny toys.
>>580827558>indispensable while leveling as tanksNot if I'm a fucking noshoes sex elf Feral Druid you won't.
>>580828447I'm not saying it's a bad thing I'm saying that polling is not what saved OSRS or even necessarily a good thing. If jagex wildly put anything people asked for up to poll all manner of contentious shit would be voted on, some would pass on a close contested vote, and people would get pissed off and quit. The point is that polling is not some failsafe that will inevitably produce a better game, and it has the potential to actually make it worse. The burden for maintaining a positive course lies overwhelmingly in the developer's ability to read and interpret feedback correctly.
is 50ish days enough time for burgers to give their jewish overlords a notice of vacation time?
Apologize.
>>580828508UD Warlock if they are in.
>>580828673it is for me
>>580828116you don't get it, he doesn't want skyborne in the game because they don't have established lore, he doesn't want your faggot fanfiction blue navi avatar turds in the gameblizzard had an opportunity to re-establish much needed trust with their player base and they decided to double down on the same principles as the faggot retail furry shit, the derivative elves and the faggot tranny dragons, and they painted this new unwanted elf race the same faggot tranny blue as that tranny insert from the shadowlands expansion, blizzard blew it...againand your only response to that betrayal is the same type of tranny snark diablo 2 fans get when they point out how they ruined the updated character graphics by saying you don't see them up close when it's a straight up lie, there's going to be these eyesore blue smurf turds throughout the world as npc quest givers, npc enemies etc etc which were not going to be able to change the skin color ofyou're a dumbass
>>580828673>taking vacation time when raids arent even out for a monthcan casually level at your own pace after work and hit 60 with time left over with the boosted exp rates and new zones
>>580828632Concs 4 targetsThe dot was ticking for THREE damage at level 38 lol
>>580828695For what? I'm glad they are gone.If they hadn't given female draenei outrageous cartoonishly fuckable hips and ass literally no one would like those clowns and they would be hated for the lore abomination they are.
>>580828090>that colorthat's a blood elf chuddie
>>580827947There is quite literally nothing more fucking awesome about being an Elemental Shaman that literally throwing lava at motherfuckers. I just wish the rotation had a little more going for it. It's literally just the WotLK rotation currently, which was considered dry even then.
>faggot DEI race>look inside>it’s blood elveswhat did he mean by this
>>580827641>There's a lot of basically CRUCIAL shit missing like Hunter Trap LauncherAnd dual wield for shaman. During SoD no changes uncs cried and cried and cried until Blizzard added more support for 2h and in the end no one played it anyway because 2h shaman sucks.
>>580828628tbc bm hunters are OP because of the 20% haste talentI don't think wrath is better than what marksman gets.
>>580828759esfand said consc was doing most of his damage as ret
>>580828090>high elves were RIGHT FUCKING THERE>posts a Blood ElfWhat did the retard mean by this?
>>580827947>Also fuck lava burst I want my lightning ele shammyIt's called STORM EARTH AND FIRE HEED MY CALL, not just storm, faggotron>>580828856Nah suck me off fuck you and your dual wield, it sucked because it had like 3 runes total half assed near the end.
>nigger blood elves with pink hair in shiny mtx armor day 1 in orgrimmar>this is so classic we won bros!
>>580828856>enhanceyou WILL be the nightfall cuck
>>580828715>make elf pale with blue eyes and blonde hair>it is now a high elfSimple as
You arent the target audience of Skyborne Elves, get over it
>>580828501>why the fuck would you bother using an llm to generate a 10 minute script you have to review anywaysI have no idea, that's why I brought it up because it was extremely blatant and shockingly stupid but nobody has been discussing itThe neutral thing illustrates my point because it wasn't just poorly conveyed, it was ChatGPT using its classic "It's not X, it's Y" negative parallelism where the Y is completely nonsensical fluff.It's really not something a human would have come up with, I'm serious. I'd transcribe the whole speech and post it because it would give a clearer demonstration but I'm too lazy to do so at the moment.
>>580828783>>580828915TBC shaman is peak, i like focusing entirely on lightning and nothing felt better than proccing a multi cast on chain lightning
>>580828918>LF1 tank for Scarlet Monastery. Link cheevies!yep we're going home
>>580828856I guarantee you can train dual wield like lvl 20 or so
>>580828856>And dual wield for shamanI rather have a janky 2 hander shaman with the classic sulfuras one shots than just another blue warrior/rogue.
>>580828759are you KIDDING ME. paladin chads... did we just get got. that's 75% of the current total damage of rank 2 cons in vanilla. no fucking way. that has to be rank 1 right.. but even then the 4 cap is ridiculous. I wanted to FARM
>>580828508druid gets to do giga aoe mangle for infinite aoe threat on pull
>>580828970travel form?
>>580828759Learn to read, you fucking idiot. It damages all targets, but the first four take extra damage. Christ you people are pathetic.
>>580828996>LF1M Scarlet NO SKELVESYep, I'm going home.
>>580828960ohh you're a bot, that makes sense
>>580828952>you WILL be the nightfall cucktfw you have a comfy, casual "play what you want" guild
>>580828989I mean you're still doing that, ele is predominately thunder, just has more spells and they brought in the free cast spell procs from sod.
>>580829061>hell yeah I look good
>>580828856Anon I have bad news.... stormstrike talent doesn't say with BOTH weapons like it does in tbc.
>>580828970getting some crazy nostalgia from this image CLASSIC FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
>>580829061
>>580829056it is a birb
>>580829065erm AI GM he's doing a heckin racism please ban
Are they trying to make enhancement shamans viable tanks?
>>580829002>I rather have a janky 2 hander shaman with the classic sulfuras one shots than just another blue warrior/rogue.Why not both? You don't need to answer because I already know the answer. 2h fags don't want dw in the game because they know it's better.
>>580825325>>580825452Humilliation ritual
>>580829059Learn to read retard. 24 damage is pathetic for the rank version of that spell. It doesn't even match current baseline rank 2 damage which is 120 total. Shit was giga nerfed if that's true
>>580829061>just flipped >couldn't even be fucked to make distinct icons
>>580829008See>>580829059
It looks like you might actually be able to be a smite priest. Not as good as turtles but still looks good
>>580828673>having a job
>>580829059Faggot 90% of the damage was moved to the dot.So yes, its only hitting 4 targets now.This was the vanilla equivalent of conc dipshit.
>>580829182>Why not both?The real answer is that the devs are too retarded to make both work when they can barely make a couple shaman SPECS work altogether, if at all.If the option is between 2H and DW I would always prefer 2H because I cannot get that anywhere else, it doesn't exist, 2H is THE classic shaman enh experience while DW shaman exists in literally every other version.
>>580829108>Anon I have bad news.... stormstrike talent doesn't say with BOTH weapons like it does in tbc.Yeah that's the problem.
>>580828970Neither of classic forever it seems
Will we have an EU guild though?
>>580829247Numbers can be tuned, mouthbreather.
>>580828715>he doesn't want skyborne in the game because they don't have established loreI actually like that. It makes it immediately clear from the get-go that Forever is its own thing with its own canon.
>>580829227no neutral race in retail has different icons, in fact this is the first time they have even bothered to flip the icon
The funniest part is this now GUARANTEES alliance never gets high elves
>>580829284I get why some of you want 2h. It's just I fucking hate 2h weapons in general but I love shaman :(
>Alliance racials are OP>Alliance racials will be nerfed>But it won't matter because Blizz will definitely be selling race and faction changes
>>580829117And it IS pretty cute.
>>580829331>Its bad now but what if its good in the future>Then its only a slight nerf instead of gutting the spellBlizzards least autistic fanboy
>>580829331doesn't change the fact that aoe was a core identity of prot pal and now it was giga nerfed. if it happened to mages too with blizzard that wouldnt' be too bad but nerfing paladins makes mages the undisputed kings of aoe
I think that the whole argument over this elf stuff boils down to someone being one of two opinions.>we have limited resources, and we ought to create things with those resources that are orderly towards the foundation we have already builtand>we may have limited resources, but the happiness that a small group, even if it is a group of fools, experiences if we cater to their specific interests is always worth the tradeoff of making something that fits within the existing paradigmIts oddly a moral quandary, and because society now exists to service the bottom quintile you get midwits making ridiculous justifications for keeping the plebs happy just because plebs like elves. People who enjoy reasonable flow of ideas are being attacked by people who are not actually wise but would otherwise be on their side all because the stupid and loud people enjoy constant novelty.
>>580829306>when the real eu hours kick in
Speaking of, the bubbles the nerfed version from wrath too.Who on the dev team had it out for paladins?
>>580829434You are not wise.
>>580829336you're like modern hollywood
>>580829418the druid forms are the only appealing part about the new elves
What if /we/ end up liking Sky Elf lore?
>>580829484Not even close to the same thing.
>>580829481Surely you will educate me then.
>>580828673Do you fags ever think about anything else?
>>580827903All my noshoes out here going to develop a foot fetish when they see clean pampered feet kicking off their boots for the first time
ugly trannies = alliance skybornecute boys = horde skyborne
>>580829525then xe are trans and valid
>>580829484You're being baited
dont like skyborne? just toggle your eyes closed
>>580829525>What if /we/ end up liking Sky Elf lore?igdaf about lore. i do like hot elf bitches though.
>>580829525sigh i guess ill go jerk off to hung anime horse girlsthanks anon
>>580827953>its just datamines>its just an alpha>its just a beta (YOU ARE HERE)>its just launch they will patch it>its just the first patch give them time>dont worry guys its coming in the paid expansion>alright well surely they will listen to us now, next patch HYPE!repeat ad nauseam
>>580829568They already have that from troll feet, just an acquired tasted
>>580829637No he's not
>>580829525/we/ are not reading any lore so that cannot be
>>580829434This isnt the right moral quandry that came upSomeone probably already had the same thought as everyone else:>What if we did High Elves for Alliance and Blood Elves for Horde?The problem? Belves already existed and Blizzard assumed people would be pissed to buy Blood ElvesSo they make the Sky Elves, problem is, now they have at least the same amount of people as expected with Belves, if not more, but also nuked the aesthetic of ForeverThey horribly misread the situation
nothing will change before launch, 7 weeks is too little to do anything but fix the worst game breaking bugs
>>580829662They're using the new nelf model though, that belly just isn't as good as the classic
high elves will come later in the battle pass
>>580829751>They're using the new nelf model though, that belly just isn't as good as the classicqrd?
>>580829754based i will now buy your game
>>580826147Someone did a half-assed job with this. One streamer did in fact highlighted Holy Strike during the stream and it was something like 33% weapon damage + 12¬18 Holy Damage on 12s CD.
Okay guys, we aren't getting Silvermoon, but we are getting hot ass on Horde. So where is the Horde Goldshire going to be? I will RP as a big cow gaping blueberry elf ass, but without Silvermoon we need to find a place FAST!!! Only 5 days until I can dump a chunky load into fat blueberry ass AAAAUUUGGHHHH!
>>580829751It's the BElf model.
>>580829754boomers love battle passes and we're all boomers here so that's fine
>>580829549I disagree, they passed over High Elves, Naga and Ogres as playable races and gave us another fanfiction ugly reskin of elves to thumb their noses at the player base and it lines up exactly like the caption I posted comparing them to modern nu-media produces and writers taking an established canon and changing it because they're to inept and creatively bankrupt to make their own, so they shit up the great and beloved works of their betters
>>580829792sky elves dont have a model toggle like every other race doesthey will always use retail blood elf models and textures +animations
>>580829823Ratchet.
>>580829896They do
>>580829852Naga and Ogres are not happening. You already know why. If you don't know why, it's because your head is in the sand. Stop talking like they were ever on the table.
>>580829917nope, saw it on a stream, the toggle does nothing
>>580829896you made that up
Honestly, I see the potential.The real question is, what faction will your Skyborne be?
>We will develop this game alongside you. >Your voices will be heard. >Nothing is off the table.Okay but who the fuck asked for sky elves?
>no dkbros...
>>580829081>playing tbc>old guildie is in a casual guild now>takes them longer to kill illidan than it takes us to clear bt and hyjal
>>580829979Horde ofc, I want some BGC
>>580829704This is definitely present, though I am bewildered as to why they didn't just create a more distinct model and animation set. I think people would be less angry if the elves were as different as say, Zandalari Trolls or Vulpera. Even better, if they want to stick with this whole elemental aesthetic they could have had us play as humanoid elementals. If sex must sell, you can have the girl elementals be curvaceous whores and the male elementals brutes in order to satisfy the requests of people who want ogres and people who want pretty races in the horde.
>>580830037You talk like the guy who thinks he's the smartest in the room while actually being a complete dumbass.
Anyone know if dual spec is coming to Forever?
>>580830037>didn't just create a more distinct model and animation set. $$$
>>580829982Except that.Your voices won't be heard about that.Holly needs her self insert OC race.
>>580828039sorry to break it to you anon, but horde is the gay tranny faction. always has been
>>580830080it's in there. you could see "secondary" on the talent pages when people would bring up the talent page in game
>>580830080it's already in
>>580830012My guild cleared all the content from vanilla until MoP with ease. Reckon it'll do just fine in forever.
>>580829430>core identity of prot pal was doing next to no aoe damage but they nerfed it how could they now everyone will play mage if they want aoe unlike beforeuh huh
>>580830069If I'm really that dumb then you'll be easily able to argue against the content of what I'm saying rather than just calling me pompous. I would like you to offer up something worthy of comment.
how fucking expensive can it be to make a new race for vanilla wow, they have like 10 short animations
You literally got high elves, and you are still butthurt.What is the issue here?
>>580829982>please we need the feeback! just express your feedback! (so we can ignore it)
>>580830080yea, in the streamer footage we've seen you could clearly see there's primary/secondary spec options in the talent menu
need another shaman class on alliance. just dorf is crazy... shoudlve let skelfs be able to do both
>>580830212same reason they've been butthurt since 2018the race isn't called "high elf" so it doesn't count
me? rolling an alt of the same class for every race so i can minmax every raid that 5% damage is just TOO important for parsing and i wont be beat by a lesser race
>>580830037The only reason they did a neutral race was so they didnt have to bother adding 2 starting zones + 2 capitals. Even though Eversong/Silvermoon are already right there and close enough to vanilla values they could just tweak xp a bit. It's peak lazy as fuck design and easy money from paypigs and trannies.
>>580827968>bones ruin all the gear>can't hide themIn retail undead can hide bones, I assume it will be the same in Forever.
>>580830212>What is the issue here?They want things to complain about. Simple as.
>>580829434post the blood and night elf populations of retail againblue elves are gay as fuck but more people will play them than any non-elf they could have made
>>580830212These people will complain no matter what Blizzard does
>>580830190you retarded on purpose or you just born that way?
>>580830198You need to hire model riggers and animators, Blizz only has 3 programmer sock trannies and a few HR approved writers working on this
are you ready for the undead warlock racial + demonology spec +3% total health per 4sec + soul link + drain life fear spam
I don't really know what I was expecting, the only funny thing about all of this is going to be all the classic streamers slurping it up because It's going to be what puts the bread on their table even though they were strongly against most of the stuff they're going to be adding.
>>580830293>more people will play them than any non-elf they could have madeNoooo people would totally play ogres and nagas!!
>>580830138Lmao poor attempt
>hmm whyd they give both sides an elf and not ugly fucking ogres....really makes me think
>>580830212>have well established lore of high elves and even encampments of high elves in WoW>muh hurr durr elemental contract and muh blue skin and my multicolored trans flag hair and muh yellow/green eyes even though elf eye color was always tied to where they get their manaFuck off retard. They aren't high elves even if Blizzard says they used to be.
I do think the Horde is eating better here.>elf shaman - unique>undead paladin - uniqueMeanwhile Alliance:>dwarf shaman - exists in retail>elf mage - exists on both factions in retail
>>580830398NTA but it's true
>>580830401Ok but when will alliance get an ugly race like orcs?The horde bias is showing again!
I'm rolling a SL Troll Warlock.
>>580830413The Alliance racials (including priest racials) BTFO Horde's, so it balances out.I will, of course, be playing Horde.
>>580830401noooooo people heckin' love ogres!!!!
>>580830408No one cares about the lore bro. WoW lore has is and always has been a complete joke.
>>580830293This is what I'm saying. People who are too stupid to be invested in anything over pure visual stimulus are indirectly directing the direction of the game. There are a lot of them. Too many of them. The problem is there was a way to satisfy both the idiot and invested parties and Blizzard didn't do that. I don't know why they cater so much to the idiot party because they are generally pretty easy to satisfy. This is the same argument that comes up time and time again around competitive Smash, actually.
>>580830340>prot paladin in vanillatheir identity is being a complete joke with nothing going for them, literal worst spec in the game makes shit like ret and moonkin look good
>>580830460Kul Tiran is right there
>>580830401why are nightborne so cucked if nelfs are so high?
>dots can critIsn't this a massive buff for locks and spriests for both pvp and pve?
>>580830485The entire point of Classic+ was to save the lore from being bastardized and avengers slop.
>>580830413I thought you guys don't play retail?
>>580830401I think sky elf numbers will be lower. Blood elves are at least slightly edgy, despite being primarily played by women and faggots, so they attract a decent number of normal players as well. The sky elves just seem much less broadly appealing.
>>580830413Yeah I'm kinda pissed you're stuck with dwarf if you wanna play alliance shaman. All gear looks so fucking shit on dwarves. Hopefully my guild decides to go horde.
>want to play skyborne male>face looks gay and retarded>don't want to play female (not a girl IRL)is it over already bros?
>>580826375>shill shillsWhat is there for doomgods to even adress? Pig loves to roll in the dirt, no one is going to do anything about
>>580830563No it wasn't lmao. The point of Classic+ is not the story and you're retarded for even saying that. This is not the game for you.
>>580829245how do you guys pay for subs and food and rent without a job then
>>580830536Because theyre not pretty? Theyre like old granny elves
>>580830545We also have haste now too. Expect snapshotting and busted as fuck dot bullshit. Would be so funny if they kept the debuff cap just to troll.
>>580828670Poll itself is not the thing that saved OSRS. But it does mean Jagex could never release blue elves for $30, beta for $60 or other stupid shit seen in wowf.
>>580826543This is just the feature they stole from CoA.
>>580830647oh, I thought they were just recolored nelfs like velfs are recolored belfs.why did they make them ugly? did they come out during peak woke or something?
>>580830563>The entire point of Classic+ was to save the lore from being bastardized and avengers slop.In the sense that all the NPCs aren't constantly sucking you off with muh chosen champion shit and every raid boss is some cosmic super big bad that'll destroy Azeroth, yeah. No one cares where the blue elves come from.
>>580830573Yeah, I liked Kael'thas a lot and thought how Belves looked down on everyone else and were kinda edgelords was fun. Sky Elves just seem like fairies
>>580830545>anniversary>"warlocks can use dots now omg they will be so strong">warlocks go from being the 5th best dps to being the 5th best dps with mages doubling up on themprobably not, but they have gotten a lot of buffs
>>580830592Just play as feral druid and you will never see your humanoid form.
>>580830713yea
>>580830664This. It limits both the retardation of Jagex and players themselves.>Jagex wants to giga-Jew players or otherwise ruin their investment in the gamePlayers shut it down>retarded sub-section of the OSRS player base wants some retarded change that Jagex would be willing to give them without pollingPlayers shut it down70% majority is a powerful thing
>>580830664>But it does mean Jagex could never release blue elves for $30, beta for $60 or other stupid shit seen in wowf.They literally just hiked the price of membership thoughever, an OSRS sub is now substantially more expensive than a wow sub lmao.
>>580830401>tauren higher than trollsFurries really did a number on retail, huh?
>All group heals shown are party onlyTHIS is what they thought was essential to classic? So healers can get cucked because retarded raid leaders assign groups based on DPS players wishes?
>Holy for some reason thought it's good choice of words to say "tinkering" during her presentation>ifs blue elves and basic race class combo every private server had for decadeTo play Forever is to disrespect yourself.
>>580827293>undead pala in the trailer>never in any games though
Cross faction chat on the menu for Roleplay servers ya think?
>>580830740With new talents and I assume new math on most or all abilities the best and worst classes/specs is way different now, right? Isn't warriors rage also normalized?
>>580830851>who is arthas
It's pretty obvious Skyborne elves are directly from retail and for some reason were scrapped or it was decided that retail's development is going to be slowed or stopped entirely and they decided to cram them into classic instead of shelving them completely without finishing the content that would have accompanied them, they're that obviously out of place and a direct contradiction to what the player base has been asking for
>>580830760see>>580830780On pricingAnd as for game changes, that basically never happens because like I said earlier they only poll things they know will pass anyway. In fact just recently there was a rejected poll which caused a huge stir because of how rare it is that one fails. And it mostly failed because jagex was SO sure it would pass that they gave barely any details about it, and had already created the feature before they polled it lmao.
>>580830851Sir Zeliek
>>580830821>To play Forever is to disrespect yourself.Games are so bad these days it is becoming a sin against virtue to play them.
>>580830851retard
>>580830647Nightbornes are the hottest elves, they always have toned tummies and exposed feet
Will you still have to waste inventory slots for ammo as hunter?
>>580830875ofc how else are you going to chat with your cross faction party and guild members?
>>580830851>never in any games though>he hasnt heard of w3 reforged forsaken kingdom
>>580830916Counterpoint: I will always and forever be asking for hot sexy elf booty in my game.
>>580830780If higher membership cost keeps jews happy and their little grubby paws away from game design, I'll happily pay it.
Has anyone here played turtle WoW?What stopped that from being a raidlog sim?
How are PvE rogues looking?
>>580831042>What stopped that from being a raidlog sim?it was a private server so people didnt take it serious or care
>>580831042Get close but never hit 60
are we finally back, bros?no more retail slop?no more classic fake nostalgia?just good old fashioned mmo...?are we finally coming home?
>>580831062more buff/dot management>SnD>Rupture>Envenom
I haven't played a lock since the original WoTLK and was considering playing one for the new game. For PvP how bad is it playing one as alliance since you have to deal with undead and their anti fear racial? It feels like it would be way better being horde? Though being human is plenty good to deal with stuns and rogues. Also 2% crit for PvE while having great PvP racials is a very nice bonus. Still torn on what to do though.
>>580830885things will be a lot different for sure, but unless you are going to do a lot of math yourself I would just be patient on what a tier list would look likewarlock pvp looks terrifying though with all the defensives they can get now
>>580831134we're back
>>580831134Yes
>>580830943Oh and their feet are always decently big with nice sharp toenails
>>580831134its retail but easier for casuals to get in
people who dislike skelfs: "Here's a list of reasons why I think it's a bad idea to add this new race into the game that has to do with both established lore as well as visual and stylistic homogeneity of the game.""people" who like skelfs: "BUT I LIKE BLUE BOOBIES, HONKA HONKA, I WANT TO JACK OFF TO CARTOON VIDEOGAME CHARACTERS"
>>580831134its sod 2 minus remixwe wont be playing
>>580830885>Isn't warriors rage also normalized?I don't know if they have confirmed anything but it's 99.9% likely rage is normalized because vanilla exponential rage generation is irreparably broken.
>>580831134yep. its a new age
>>580831185Alliance racials are so broken they will for sure nerf them before release
It would be cool if this game had real survival elements
>>580831134To me it doesn't matter if this is classic+ or retail- or whatever people are saying. This looks like an MMO from a simpler and easier time. Something that i can't get from playing retail. Needless to say but these 7 weeks can't go by fast enough.
>>580831134yes
>>580831273>I LIKE BLUE BOOBIES, HONKA HONKA, I WANT TO JACK OFF TO CARTOON VIDEOGAME CHARACTERS
>>580831273>BUT I LIKE BLUE BOOBIES, HONKA HONKA, I WANT TO JACK OFF TO CARTOON VIDEOGAME CHARACTERSBASED BASED BASED BASED BASEDABSOLUTE TRVTHNVKE
I think the people defending the Skyborne addition are doing it out of spite to retailify classic and make sure a retoilet tumor is firmly stamped on the product, you don't give a shit about the lore, you just want to shit up this version of the game out of mindless contrarian spite
BUT I LIKE BLUE BOOBIES, HONKA HONKA, I WANT TO JACK OFF TO CARTOON VIDEOGAME CHARACTERS
crusty-ass niggas are going to be begging for them to add ogres while they're on their deathbed
>>580831134>No more retail slop. LOL LMAO
>>580831325ascension had them
>>580831418looks classic to me. sorry, you lost.
>>580831390We making new lore, get used to it
>>580831390Sure that's true but who in their right mind would actually take that position? I am completely powerless to put myself in their shoes.
My name is going to be Sir Commander Captain AwesomeProfessor Thuganomics
>>580831273>People who play elfs are faggots>I hate boobiesPick one faggot
>>580831390>you don't give a shit about the loreThat's right. I don't. What you gonna do about it, lore fag, gonna cry? Cry lika little bitch? I'm going to make a hot blue elf bitch on horde and there's N O T H I N G you can do to stop me.
>>580830536Because Horde already have Blood Elves.
>>580831418>HD models unchecked in the bottom right>still showing HD modelsits ogre
So I never really did any raids and shit but I always enjoyed leveling, doing quests and exploring the world.How I understand it this forever experience is for me?
>>580831421then why couldnt it survive
>>580831439He literally voted for this.
>>580831317If humans get nerfed then I will want to play horde for sure.
I'm so fkin confusedWhat the fk is canon nowRetail? Forever?Is Forever like an alternate universe?
>>580831517>enjoyed leveling, doing quests and exploring the worldthat's exactly what Forever is about
Will other players see your full name chat and whatnot or just your main name?
>>580831578not unless you have it toggled on
>>580831570Vanilla. Gay elves made Forever non canon chink fanfic.
>>580831529because good devs create content that is too hard for themselves
>>580830813chain heal was always the only exception to that
>>580831570Classic is Toby Maguire, Retail is Andrew Garfield, Forever is Tom Holland, hope this helps.
>>580827915Isn't his daughter in her 40s by now?
>>580831134MMO's make or break on the playerbase.Casuals are needed in a MMO.The moment a MMO does something that caters to race to world first guilds is the moment the MMO dies.
>>580831570multiple timelines means multiple canons bruh
>most popular race is always elfers>they put it behind $30 paywallHAHAHAHAHASOMEONE PAGE DR NILLASENSUAL. I NEED TO HEAR HIM HAVING A STROKEALEX, NOW IS YOUR TIME TO SHINE!!
>>580831042Raid Logging is good. Prevents burnout by giving players time to do other things.
>>580831493you'd willingly choke yourself to death gorging on massive mag'har shitlogs till you were about to burst if you thought it would disgust me
>honestly we are so fucking back>t. kungendoomerboomers????
>>580831570Retail is forever tainted by everything being part of the Jailer's and Xalatath's plan.Forever is free from the corruption of those 2.
So they sell only beta access and no early access to the real game?Damn I don't want to play with poors.
I WILL be the first to plap a blelf
Which spec will let me rape pally sissies the hardest?
so what will be the lore explanation for why the original donut steel elf smurfs are gonna be joining the horde?
>>580831857orc warrior
Skyborne is a terrible decision. It's that simple.If Blizzard wants to appeal to players who wants to play elves, look at the solution above.If Blizzard is worried about faction balance if they only give elves to one faction, look at the solution above.If Blizzard wants to lock new races behind a paywall, look at the solution above.They didn't even need to invest time into a floating new Skyborne starting zone, just spend that production time elsewhere, and plant High Elves straight into Elwynn and Forsaken Elves straight into Tirisfal. Blizzard have gotten a lot of things right with "Forever", but this Skyborne decision is absolutely made by someone who does not understand, nor appreciate, the Classic player base.
Skyborne bros, we wonned so freaking hard.
>>580831780based kungen
>>580831787Forever is already corrupted by skybornes
can you play as melee hunter in classic wow? like survival with spear or some shit
>>580830413Elf shamans are unique, UD paladins are coming to retail shortly (along with nelf and jungle troll paladins).
>>580831872There's two different factions within the elves, one is presumably free spirited and joins the Horde the others are Highborne and prefer being pompous in the Alliance
>>580831895>>580831906You will never get me to hate big blue elf butts and boobies.
>won't have monopoly on early mail late plate gear as horde warriorThis sucks!
>>580831895>give horde another perceived ugly raceyou missed the entire point of why the new elf exists
>>580831872the faction joining the horde are shamanist wind ele extremists so I suppose they just buddy up with shaman jesus thrall, the faction joining the alliance are kirin tor mages which makes it even funnier that they aren't just called high mages
>>580831571Great. Time to come home again
>>580831872Orc cock
The Skyborne porn is going to go so hard bros
>>580831895I especially like this proposal. Its worrying to me that the people employed at Blizzard are truly so stupid that I have seen better ideas from random posts literally all day.
wow forever is just Holly's modLets just go with that.
>>580831902he is actually too hope filled today im feeling weird
>>580831895Playable high elves will never be a thing.
>>580832029Based, luv me some mommy Holly.
>>580831895>>580831906>>580832027Skyborne are 100% a Shadowlands race that didn't make it live because of covid and the lawsuit and they wanted to use it here.The aesthetics are exactly the same as Kyrian
how long will streamers try and astroturf this sod 2?
Human women are hotter than elves anyway.
>>580831857They still don't have any ability to close gaps so any ranged class.Bonus points for priest/shaman purging all their shit away.
Which side should I go if I want to ERP with foids in /w?
>SoD is literally SEASON of Discovery>season ends>AAAAA ALL FUTURE CONTENT IS JUST SOD 2 AND WILL DIE
>>580832140Shadowlands was good and skybornes are welcome in classic.
>>580832147Preach will do whatever he can to make this game as relevant as possible.This will be a goldmine for him if he doesn't whine like a little bitch.>he will whine like a little bitch
>>580832153I wish human women existed irl
>>580832147Hmm for 5-10 years.
>>580832172horde if bullally if u wanna watch
>>580831656Vanilla only had PoH and Chain Heal, and AoE healing wasn't that required in the first place. Now they are adding the new paladin shock splash thing, Wild Growth and that's only from talents. For all we know, AoE healing will be important because why else add all this.But group only heals are retarded. This will only cause schism between healers and dps who both want to dictate party layout.
>>580831570Whichever you are observing is Canon in that instant.
>>580830413I don't know why the elf shaman is horde locked. I'm going to REEE as much as I can during beta, maybe' they'll change it.
>can snapshot devouring plague, shadow word pain, starshards with 10% more critnight elf spriests seem a little busted compared to the horde racials
>>580832172Women always pick female human or nelf so alliance.
>>580832259But does horde have them?
>>580831656and that is a change that happened late in vanilla
>>580832153Well it's just not fair to compare anything to Sally Whitemane, because nothing can compare to her. She is to videogames what Joan in Mad Men is to television.
Has anyone posted that the new abilities for each class are gonna be?
>>580830813Reading is hard.
>>580831902>>580832030we will see tonight in deepdive
What are you guys playing while you wait for Forever?
Why do bigoted classic players dislike skybornes?
For the anons planning their name reservation, remember: there's surnames in this version
>Sky elves can't be pally or priestMy sissy healer dream is dead
Wowyer-bros...we won...The h*br*ds were buffed, but we're still kings.
>>580832515>100 voteswow much representative
>>580832436That's still party only, I didn't say only your own party.
So when I get RP married can I change my surname for free?
>>580832506yeah, im hoping(maybe dreading) to hear how they plan to deal with the horizontal progression idea
>>580832638Only if it's a gay marriage.
>>580832626Why the fuck would you get smart raid heals in classic?
>>580832521>Pal Adin>War Rior>Dru Id>War LockYep, it's gaming time.
>>580832521I'm guessing you still won't be able to name your character niller kigger or nick gerr
so my last name is ttv
>>580832521>90% of population will be <content creater> + <random bullshit>I don't see how this survives when the e-celebs start crying about it
I know I will be playing a female skelf. But what class?
>>580832521My names were always made of two words anyway
>>580832515Doesn't matter what anybody wants. The game is less than 2 months out and people already paid money for sky elves. It's here to stay, there's 0 chance that Blizzard even acknowledges that people are unhappy.
>>580832242Can't wait to hear about his failed groups. (Which had nothing to do with his play)
>>580832737FFXIV has it from launch and it's doing fine.
>>580832328they aint gonna do snapshotting for sure.
>>580830401>mmo with the most varied race selection in the genre>character diversity is somehow worse than mmos with only 6 playable races (40% of all characters are elves)grim
>>580826161nobody ever asked for vulpera. Everyone always wanted ogres.
>>580832750Shaman because it's the most unique
>Blizzard creating socially accepted ingame racism towards elvesAnd you guys call Blizz woke
>>580832521this should be roleplay exclusive
>>580832785That's how the game works from classic to wotlk.
>>580832668Chain heal already is a smart raid heal. Except it's clunky ass shit because of Riptide.
>>580832531really bizarre that they can't be priest. high/blood elf priests are probably their most obvious archetype aside from mages.
It's fun reading comments on instagram and seeing thirdies absolutely seething about "blizz killing turtle and ascension to steal their idea".
>>580832829female skelf enhance shaman, the dream.
>>580832862turtle and ascension stole their game
>>580832862They're mad because they can't afford a sub or $30 for Skyborne lmao
>>580832840It's not classic or wotlk though. Snapshotting causes to many balancing headaches and too much micromanagement bullshit that no one wants to do except autistic sweatlord faggots. we already went down this road in wotlk classic with the uh dks.
ngl I don't understand why they refuse to make ogres playablesize cant be that much of a problem, tauren are already hugeI feel like a ton of people would actually play ogre
>>580832760Doesn't matter if people are unhappy, there are so many different camps of retards who had unrealistic expectations of what classic+ would be that are seething endlessly.Whatever Blizzard did people would still complain about it. There's zero reason to listen to them.
>>580832919I wonder if enance shamans will be pushed into dual wielding like in retail, or 2handers will actually be viable.
>>580832925poorfags do always be crying
why do people pretend anyone would play ogres
>>580832925every company is changing south american purchases to USD so they can't even afford games anymore lul
>now you can pay us $15 a month, Forever™feels a bit on the nose blizzard
>>580832963Ugly, can't sell to chinks and women
is wow forever for me if i don't want to talk to people
Wait, where's titan's grip?
>>580832396And to think that she started out as a simple vanilla human.
>>580832862Now we just need a global pandemic to replicate the comfy years of 2019-2021.
>>580833000So far it looks like no dw at all. But we'll see I guess. Personally I prefer dw, but maybe I could learn to live with 2h.
>>580833025>why do people pretend anyone would play a cool unique looking race that has well established lore going back to the start of the franchise
>>580833039The grave might be more your style.
>dead zone>melee weaving against bosses>can't auto attack while moving>feeding your pet is annoying>have to buy ammo>lose a bag slot because of ammoAre hunters the most cucked class in the game?
>we're getting the era crowd, the tbc crowd, the 5 moppies crowd, prob a bunch of retoilets too>plus the inevitable influx of new players like Classic>all pservers are dead and will stay dead>long term planning>"yea this game is def dead in 6 months like SoD"Insane cope
>>580832920Turtle just reused assets in all their "new" content and ascension was like a fanfiction created by a 13 year old.>>580832963Ogres are a race of peabrained target dummies as if anyone would want to play a race that talks like "grug smash".
>>580832963>I feel like a ton of people would actually play ogreThe data says otherwise
>no tank rogue, shaman, warlock>no healer mageSoD-
>>580832963You're gonna get a lot of replies saying elves hot but the real reason is they already have a model ready to go and don't have to fit every piece of gear to a new model to make an elf
>>580832963>I feel like a ton of people would actually play ogrebased on literally what though? ugly races have historically been by far the least played and ogres are just about the ugliest race in the game.I don't understand why guys like you have an attachment to ogres of all things anyway, they are literally big dumb dopey ugly drooling retards. I would go for the half-ogres like Rexxar if I wanted an ogre-esque race.
>>580833142Both things can be true. It would be an enormous amount of work for something barely anyone would play.
>>580833114It's the tax they need to pay for autopilot leveling experience.
>>580833095May as well have murlocs, gnolls and centaur as playable races then. Idiot.
Where is this?Who are the humans in black & white?Why is the dwarf hiding?
>>580832963It would require them to actually put in effort to make gear fit for them.Every new race since MOP has used the same skeleton just reshaped here or there.The only exception is Lizards and the only thing they can wear are belts and shoulders.
>>580832963>I feel like a ton of people would actually play ogredelusional
>paywalled race>body type A and BCan't wait to do the quest "Find Mankirk's husband (he/her).Totally classic feel Body Type As.
>>580832963yes but the issue here is that you are having to sell to bugmen toogooks like pretty races and hate ugly and guess what is like 50% of the playerbasethere is your answer
>>580832963Elves sell, simple as, and all the moreso when they're making a "Classic" game that will be sold in China.Honestly it's the Earthen in TWW that I'm still confused about.I would also hope that they just start pumping out new races for Forever given that they need something to keep selling people and the push to have people keep making alts.
>>580833206better than having 10 different blood elf reskins
>>580833189They think it's a unique idea (even though retards have been suggesting it since TBC) and they'll die on that hill. Same as the playable murloc/naga retards.
>>580833224It's the new zone between badlands and redridge off the shore.Abandoned orc hunting expedition that settled there.
>>580833131Ogre would 100% be more popular than troll/taurenThey have been the most requested race from the beginning
>>580833203What tax to warlocks pay?
>>580832771I remember him getting grey parses in his mythic shadowlands guild and then it disbanded.
>>580833317>They have been the most requested race from the beginning[citation needed]
>>580833224Redridge. Dwarf represents the change from the original vanilla cutscenes caused by the new elf. Retail is doing timeline shit with titans so it'll probably be explained later why forever even exists lore wise.
>>580833095>lore going back to the start of the franchiseI have a feeling most WoW players didn't join with Warcrafts 1-3.At least back during vanilla to BC at least half of my classmates that played WoW didn't play the RTS games prior. I suspect the number has only gone up since.
Ogres are not that ugly, come on guys
Why would you feel the need to buy elves for horde when orc women and trolls exist
>>580833284Elves and humans are the default fantasy game playable races. Cope and seethe that no one wants to play an ugly stupid race that has no purpose in lore other than something to kill.
>>580833224Riverglades, the new warcraft 2 inspired zone divided between humans and orcsit's one of the few parts of retail- that feels like actual classic content
>>580833323Warlocks evade taxes because they're evil.
>>580833317>They have been the most requested race from the beginningSome of you guys get all your opinions from CCs and it shows
>>580833323>What tax to warlocks pay?Being summoning bitchesUnless they change something you have to kill a mob your level for every summon.Same with healthstones.
>>580833323Summoning slaves and soul shards clogging their bag space.
>>580833317>They have been the most requested race from the beginningCitation: By an autistic sperg minority fanbase
the UI is redone... i hope they ban addons as well.
>>580833323-1 bag
>prot warrior unfuckedNow I need to see how the spells were tweaked, might be a good leveling experience.
>>580833375>>580833349>>580833303Thanks
>>580833416>. i hope they ban addons as well.This is by a huge margin my biggest request.NO FUCKING ADDONS
>>580832009Nigga everyone knows why women and asians don't want to play ugly races. The point is to give them the middle finger and expect to fit in or fuck off.
Um you're still gonna show up for next week's BT raid, right?GM needs his glaivies.
>>580833416>ban addons>people start using UI unlockers to bypass it like they already do for exploits>now everyone who uses addons is also using exploitsHow to become like FFXIV 101
it blows me away to see how different blizzcon was 20 years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Falm0H7VEiQ
>>580833352without a doubt like 95% of current wow players did not play the original wc1 - 3i doubt even 15% have even played reforgedwhy the fuck do you think they made an expansion for it or have it included in the expensive bundlevery high chance a good chunk of retards here are wod / legion babs, some even shadowlands because covid
Any word about world buffs? Surely they don't work in raids.
Will they do wrath anniversary and/or WOD era or do they know it's a waste of time?
>>580833453How am I supposed to get through unfamiliar content without questie?
>>580833502the entire world was different
>>580833515someone said they'll be disabled inside dungeons, raids and battlegrounds
For those confused about belf/helf being left out its because they're saving kaelthas for later.He flees to outland mostly to find a way to save his people. If the portal doesnt open his people dont know how depraved he gets and they have no reason to approach the horde. They just sit and wait for him to come back.He can blink back to azeroth on tempest keep by old rules, or just open his own fel-fuelled portal back to silvermoon, and then you have an entire hostile nation ruled by a maniac without it needing to be an imminent archimonde level threat. Can actually have an on the ground war story against a quelthalas hostile to both factions and makes a great foil for an angry lich king. "The alliance and horde joined forces to liberate Silvermoon from the mad Kael'thas, and its citizens can now choose their destiny - play as high elf for the faction of your choice! (if you pay 29.99 for the privelege)" is marketing that writes itself.They know people will buy high elves when they come out but they wont buy other elves after. So get your palette colour change elves in now, save the silvermoon arc for more money later. Locked races and zones are a pretty light touch compared to what they could have done monetisation wise. If this is how they can continue to fund the game then it is what it is. Buy it or dont its still a cheap as shit hobby
>>580833428>>580833397>>580833396>>580833378I'm actually surprised Blizzard hasn't added something to allow an easy means to hand out healthstones in WoWF. Have streamers gone to the trainers of all the classes so we can see all the skills and abilities? I guess we will know soon with the beta.
Are these talents in OP confirmed new ones?https://forevertalents.up.railway.app/
>>580833551Good
>>580833551Who is this "someone"?
>>580833529Wrath anni will happen but desu there wasnt much hype around it that wasnt a result of being bored and having nothing else to look forward to.
>>580827616but anon, I already will be playing a dwarf rogue
Why don't we get any of the Forever pets in retoilet? I don't get why they do this exclusive cosmetics thing; it's such an easy way to add value to the purchase.
>>580833326I memba
I am going to play a night elf male and you will not stop me.
>>580833473Sorry bro I think I will be sick...
>>580833372shitlog enjoyer
>>580833472>The point is to give them the middle finger and expect to fit in or fuck off.yeah I'm sure blizz is gonna do that so all your based and redpilled chudjak compatriots will offer them your approval instead of accepting the mountains of cash from those people you want them to give the finger to.
>>580833510>zoomer coworker tells me he used to play wow>says he played old wow when the game was good, not the new stuff>assume he means wotlk or something>he started playing in legion
>>580833515They'll work like in SoD.
Does Forever have a lead game dev like Retail has Ion?I didn't see Aggrand at blizzcon
>>580833662>I'm going to be an homosexualYou do you, at least you won't play a skyfag.
>>580833642>rogue with mace specEww
>>580833624your mom. she told me last night after I fucked her
>>580833529MoP era but you can also xfer your character to retail. Wrath era with a vanilla server coming again in 2028.
>>580833558Eh we'll have the beta in less than a week which will be a proper build and not something they put together for blizzard showrooms.
>>580827616Gnome warlock reporting in.
>>580833497>start using exploits and unlockers like that>blizzard can just detect retards doing this en masse and let it go for awhile>serve out 24 temp bans and warn people to stop>99% would stop for the fear of punishmentalmost like they have done this before lol
>>580826835>I don’t understand why, kids that age won’t play this, kids who are older already find that incredibly childishYou should look up what's a Disney Adult.Actual kids like fortnite and shit, this is meant to appeal to adults
>>580833742mace spec is armor pen in forever
I don't think there is going to be PvP servers, chudbros.
wow forever doa?
>>580833816kids have always wanted to be adults, every childs play is about doing something they wish they could do if they were adults
Been playing the wc3 new campaign and its pretty funKind of hope they do one for blood elves
giving the people the "pretty race that they want" is spinelessthe people are stupidjust enprettify the female orc and trolls if you have toit's much easier than you think, all you have to do is add a few new face options that aren't fuckedwhy rape your own setting this hard just to possibly maybe make a small fraction of the playerbase slightly more comfortable
>>580833676What the fuck, how do you people contain yourselves from the desire to punch these creatures
>>580833816>Actual kids like fortniteDo they?I remember it was huge in 2019, but I haven't really heard about it since.
>the hubris to call your new bullshit frankenstein game mode that you've managed to cobble together from existing and unreleased content "forever" as if it won't flop and die out within a year
>>580833894It is already common knowledge that the chinese don't like to play as ugly characters, that's why TBC had horde blood elvesThey are just patching the same thing for them.
>>580833894That's what happens when suits and trannies run your company
>he thinks worldboofs are coming back in revamped retail minus
>>580833861How's it compare to SC2? I fucking hated the story there but the actual mission design was mostly great.
>>580833816>Actual kids like fortnite and shit,Both fortnite and roblox have been dying for a while
>>580833947They're funnelling all classic players into this version and trying to catch a sizeable retail+former player audience.You're coping hardcore if you think this isn't going to be their OSRS.
>>580833894big studios dont make good games, they make good money
>>580833931You are a wow player, I'm sure you are up to date with the current gaming environment outside your bubble>>580834005Where do all these retard come from?What do you people think kids play? You legit think kids know what warcraft is nowdays? Pathetic losers trying to think they are relevant playing a 25 year old game
>>580834004I barely played sc2 because I didnt really care about the storyonly in the prologue, like 5th mission but its significant lengthEach map is like 30-40 mins and I assume its 8 maps for prologue then another 8 for the forsaken shit
Is he in hiding?
>>580834005Even if that were true (it's not), they definitely aren't going to WoW lol
>>580834004wc3 is more like a mobasc2 is blob vs blob
>>580833189The 'niller audience is more open to playing ugly races, plus ogres have the fun aspect of being the most grotesque monstrous of races. If it was retail wow, yeah, no one would play ogres (unless it had some insane racial, and then all the meta troons would play them). I think a lot of people would find it fun to be an Ogre Warrior or Mage/Warlock.
Judging by how much no changes era fags are seething WoWF is going to be amazing.
>>580834084How's the story so far?>>580834135I'm talking about campaign mission structure.
>>580834139They would make ogres prettier, anyway. Make them look closer to half ogres but bigger. Dranei treatment basically.
>>580834139>The 'niller audience is more open to playing ugly racesEven if they are, it still comes nowhere close to outweighing the amount of people that want to play a hot sexy elf bitch. Even among vanilla players, the sexy races dominated the uglies.
Will herbalism be mandatory for tanks since it offers element resistance?
>>580834090He was too embarrassed to announce this garbage.
>The 'niller audience 10K jaded boomers
Remember everyone, Forever isn't made FOR you
>>580834139They're pandering to both nillers and retoilets so I hope we get both. I want to roll a character of hardcore forever, walk into the barrens, and see a gaggle of orcs, troll, gnolls, ogres, skelfs, and some other nonsense walking around trying to get a WC group going.It would unironically be a case of WoW going even deeper into its roots as that's how fucking Everquest groups would look.
>>580834193It’s quite simple: a lot of people like pretty elves, an exceedingly small minority of contrarians want to play as ogres.
>>580834139From what I see in the thread the target audience are retail troons, while the nillers are seething about things retoilets wouldn't understand.
>>580834278>10kyou forgot to subtract the bots
Why are people saying warlock tank is going to be a thing?
>>580834090He's upset Warcraft is in the name and couldn't go on stage because he is too sad.>>580834261>He was too embarrassed to announce this garbage.Mezten is a washed up bitch that is whipped by his own daughter.
>>580834293>like blue elf bitches>like the changes they’ve madeYeah I’m thinking it’s for me.
>>580834184GoodProbably nothing really new if you know the wc3/vanilla story so far
If Classic players hate gold-buying why is Classic full of bots?
>We want the easy chinese shekels, instead of rebuilding the brand in the west and honoring the IPVery Kotickpilled
I don't like that they're doing a beta.
>>580834413Demonology looks pretty good if they make more fights that need to be tanked at a ranged, but people are coping otherwise because prot paladins are insanely broken now (of course fatrend made every paladin spec godly)
>>580834065Go look it up, you're the retard that doesnt keep upBoth fortnite and roblox had major losses, the zoomer Gen outgrew those games and are now transitioning to your regular AAA slop and friendshipI never said they were playing wow, I just pointed out the fact those games are not in the average zoomers interest anymore
>>580834479The hate is performative.
>>580834479They don't, the people who hate it don't play classic.
>>580833894It's an excuse to add a new starter zone and related end game content.
>>580834531>average zoomers interestthe oldest zoomer is 29. they're past the "gamer" demographic.
>>580834479There are two types of 'nillers.The purest autist neets, and the gamer dads. The gamer dads all buy gold, like actually 75%+ of them buy gold, even the casual ones that just level.
>>580834498Don’t play the beta, don’t watch content about the beta, don’t read about the beta. Problem solved.
classic sometimes lostedclassic forever wonned
>>580831657>posting a game from 3 days agokek
>>580834615the autistic neets also buy gold with their euro welfare
>>580834105>Even if that were true (it's notWhy are you guys so obsessed with zoomers but don't even know the state of their games?Roblox stock alone has lost 70% of its value in one yearhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/roblox-gaming-falling-9.7299607
Anniversary is a fucking ghost town.
can you already reserve names if you pre-order?
>>580834728yeah
>>580834706Because TBC sucks
>>580834728Not until like 2 weeks before release and there's last names anyways so reserving names is completely pointless, they didnt mention this because it'd lower sales of the smurf pack
>>580834728>pre-orderThis shit isn't even free? Fuck
you know what I want to know, why is it that elves are perceived as so much hotter than human women? You would think the knife ears would read as grotesque but somehow they just make them even hotter.
>>580834706good thing I quit anni a month agoI was debating if I should continue with the grind for p3, seems like it got nuked by yesterdays announcement
>>580834706>Classic dies the moment Classic+ is announcedNo way! Who could have seen this coming?
>>580834797you know what i like about elf woman? i get older, they stay the same age
>>580834794Poor lol
i wonder how big the team is.how many people did they have when they made wow originally? it was a pretty small group, no?
>>580834787But I need to have John-Alliance
>>580834617that won't stop cunts lecturing me not being up to date on retarded content creator parasite opinions
>>580834706I wish, people keep stealing my farms.
>>580834797And how does one explain why Draenei females are hotter than both?
>>580834794the new races are all paid dlc with mounts and mogs
>>580834939Play with friends :^)
>>580834895original wow team was a small group of people, but every single person on the team was a sweaty autist who spent their youth playing everquest, so they were in touch with the playerbase and had a passion to create a good mmo those kind of people aren't allowed to work for blizzard anymore and they've been replaced with insane california leftists who don't really care about warcraft or mmo's in general and see videogame development as an opportunity to push their demented political views on society
>>580833206Murlocs, Gnolls and centaur didn't join the horde with Rexxar in warcraft 3.Murlocs gnomes and centaur weren't a part of the old horde either like ogres
We're heretwitch.tv/kungentv
>15 a month>75 dollar preorder>to raidlog>horizontal progression
>>580834950But not old race/class new combos?
>all my irl friends who played Classic for nostalgia already moved on from WoW>when I beg them to play for just one month on a chill w-e pace they tell me to move on too
>>580835172Dwarves get shaman and UD get paladin
>>580835086troondevs mog old blizzard chuds who had "jobs" and "families" and other normalgroid shit. properly autistic troondevs will spend 20 hours a day coding some shit nobody except them asked for, and that's the kind of sovl that keeps classic classic
>>580835212For free? Or preorder required?
>>580835150Feels good to be an RPPVP Chad and have things to do other than raidlo-Wait, where's the RPPVP realm?...
>>580835136>bipolarsvenoh yes, give me the most garbage takes ever from schizoid that has never worked a day in his life
>>580835231free
You know where I'm going to be on Christmas Eve 2026?WORLD OF WARCRAFT FOREVERSLEEP WITH ONE EYE OPENHOLDING YOUR PILLOW TIGHTCHRISTMAS LIGHTCHRISTMAS NIGHTHOLD MY HANDIT'S A WINTER WONDERLAND
>btw u have a questline to unlock new race in FOREVER if u paid u can play it at launch if not u do the quest line it's confirmedhas this been said anywhere besides this random comment i read?
>>580831970we already have night elves dumbass
>>580835212+Human Hunter, Orc Mage, Troll Warlock, Gnome Priest,
>>580835191sighi want to move on but... i cant...
>>580834496>rebuilding the brand in the westThe West has fewer customers and zoomers are too dumb for video games.Simple as.
>>580835213>troondevs mog old blizzard chuds who had "jobs" and "families" and other normalgroid shit. properly autistic troondevs will spend 20 hours a day coding some shit nobody except them asked for, and that's the kind of sovl that keeps classic classicwell said, brothermay i interest you in another shitlog
>>580835398>>580835398>>580835398
>>580834947draenei have that insane arch in their back that make them look like they are presenting themselves to get railed 24/7. that alone is probably responsible for at least half of the popularity of draenei.
>retail is officially killWell, vanillafags officially get to take it on this one, fair enough. You win, I kneel.
>>580835191My friend has been playing Rocket League for 10 years10 fucking years, AnonEvery fucking day for at least an hour10 fucking yearsHis son is non-verbal autistic (below Chris Chan) and I get the feeling it'll be another 10 to 20 years without a child to raise that's a bit more normalHe's going to spend his life on FUCKING ROCKET LEAGUE OF ALL GAMESJust be glad you're playing WoW and not kicking a ball around with a remote car
is anyone actually excited about it after blizzcon? i've been waiting for classic+ since they sued troondle and everything they've shown has just been dissapointing to me
>>580835213the real autistic troon devs aren't working at blizzard.they're locked in their basements, gooning to hentai and making their weird niche indie games for an audience of a couple thousand players.the people who work at blizzard are more like the "gamer gurl" stereotypes of women who have no real skills but like the idea of themselves as "gamers" and "game developers"
>>580834090he's arabic and holly is jewish
>>580835191>was worried this was going to be me>3 out of my 5 friends with girlfriends broke up with them earlier this month>the 2 who didn't are WoW addicts>they're bending the knee to me on realm choice because I was 100% correct about Classic realms and they ended up on a dead 100:0 realmI'm not trying to rub it in, but I'm just flabbergasted that it worked out this way. I hope you find a way to enjoy Retail-.
>>580835213turtle content fucking sucked cock until the most recent zones they addedyou're poor btw
>>580835474I wouldn't say I'm hyped, but I'm interested enough to play it.
Don't like that Troll Warlock is better than Undead Warlock.
>>580835738Don't mess with da voodoo
>>580835231It still takes a sub but that's it if you don't want cosmetics or skelves.
WOWKANDA FOEVA
>>580831439classic Karen from HR
