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>What is Morimens?
A Slay the Spire inspired card battle gacha featuring elements from the Cthulhu Mythos.

>Official Links
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3052450/Morimens/
https://x.com/morimensofcl

>Arc 2 Chapter 6 PV
[YouTube] Morimens丨V2.6 PV - Summit of Voided Wills (VA: Kugimiya Rie) (embed)

>Ongoing Events (V2.6)
08/24 - 09/21 ○ Character Awakening: Caraboo
08/24 - 09/21 ○ Character Event: New Moon and Deep Snow
08/24 - 09/21 ○ Awakening Event: Lightward Reminiscence
08/24 - 09/21 ○ Awakening Event: Stars Cradled Close
09/07 - 10/05 ○ Rerun Event: A Million Suns Descend
09/07 - 10/05 ○ Rerun Awakenings: Kathigu-Ra/Daffodil/Murphy:Fauxborn

>V2.7: 2026/11/16 (as of initially announced, TBC)

>Guides & Wikis
https://skeydb.com/database
https://morimens.huijiwiki.com/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TCU7LJRzqKeuvLe97y_TfGZ-j6jq5bZX6hskAAJ2mFQ/edit
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QYciqHJY3BilDcdvBiIT_dOqXOdqGX-4FBDj5rL6qyA

>Forgotten Eve
>>5589583097
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>>580945654
nice im not the only one who fricks up the OP
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Why do you keep doing this?
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ecogs instead of death resists now
the end is near
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>wake up to an archived thread
:(
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>>580947846
NA anons dissoluted...
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>w3 has 2 healthbars so can't cheese madness with Lotan
you win this one Light...
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>>580947846
>>580948272
your precious light killed the game
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>>580948582
i had flares muted on 2nd monitor and he was on a fight against hysteric for like 20 mins, i actually thought it was the boss when he killed it, turns out it was just an elite
i enjoy hard content but this is asking for a lot..
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>>580949915
yeah that elite has over 3 million hp, the actual boss Castor has 21 million
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>>580950045
Let's gooooooo
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>>580950045
His smile and optimism... gone...
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>>580950045
face looks nothing like Ogier
it's like a completely different character
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>>580950045
absolute dogshit
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feels kind of lazy compared to other genesis designs
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>>580950045
Feels like a quick cash grab before something bad. Especially after gLotan who released a month ago or so.
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>>580950045
Did they fire their character designer or something?
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>"The formless power keeps churning... It's harder to master than I imagined."
>"Even so, I will guard you with this broken body. Please give the order... if you can still trust me."
Morifriends...
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GOgier is still my bitch. Good
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>>580950831
>>580950408
feels like they battled between going full edgy "redesign" like other genesis units and leaving him as untouched as possible to appease people who like him, so he's in a bit of a middle-ground
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Join us in 450 casul club
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>>580950045
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>>580951284
>playing sloptide when i could play traphase instead
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>>580951284
ive really enjoyed leaderboard autism historically but i'm feeling pretty lazy about madness
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>>580951284
450 isn't casual at all, it requires having a bunch of +12s
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>>580951874
450 is 5 nightmare clears, it's extremely f2p friendly and it even got nerfed this cycle
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>>580950045
>>580951558
yeah I don't know what it is but doesn't look like Ogier at all to me
I blame that anon for asking for Ogier to have long hair
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>>580951874
450 is the stopping point for whales/oldfags who gave up on dtide retarded balancing, like old 400.
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>>580951956
>extremely f2p friendly
Mind posting the teams you used?
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>>580951956
5 f2p friendly +12s
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>>580951956
I strongly recommend anyone doing 450 to do W3 Madness and W5 Hard.
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>>580952059
old 400 was a cakewalk, even w5a5 bosses had 2-3 million hp
current w5 nightmare has 8 million, w2 5.6 million, this is way WAY harder than old 400 (completely disregarding the fact that you could get 400 by running a4)
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>>580952094
>>580952109
i just woke up i haven't even touched this dtide but previous one i did madness and i don't have a single limited +12
however it is an autistic difficulty, didn't say it wasn't, just that investment isn't the biggest barrier to entry
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>>580952269
>previous one i did madness and i don't have a single limited +12
I don't believe you.
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>>580950045
Wild shota
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>>580952336
plenty of people cleared w5m f2p with a borrow vortice
w2 and w3 were a joke
and w1 wasn't very hard at all
gotta say this dtide is looking harder tho, w2 looks like cancer
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>>580952656
w2 was not a joke, you could cheese it but you needed a team that could win the first fight which was already very difficult
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AIEEE
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>>580952336
I'm an whale but I could find these clears just by randomly scrolling through last dtide leaderboard. None from today rotation yet but I'm sure cheaper clears will pop up soonish.
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>>580952745
well it's besides the point anyway since that's madness
my point is that nightmare isn't that much harder than previous a5
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>>580952905
nightmare is objectively much harder than previous a5
nightmare trash mobs and bosses have 3-4 times the hp of old a5
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>>580952982
yeah but you also used to overkill a5 by a lot on previous a5, it's true that less teams are comfortably viable tho which sucks
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>>580952882
yes you could find magical clears of people resetting for tens of hours and using turn rewind for favorable rng
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im expecting some insane powercreep with gOgier desu
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>>580954042
I am expecting another archive
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>>580953312
the only ones overkilling a5 were whales
E3 teams going for 425 were decently challenged by a5
current E3 teams are borderline incapable of clearing nightmare without insane time investment into resets/rewinds
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>>580954042
Thry couldn't make a new character without some kind of caveat anymore.
Glotan already fell off the cliff and I'm still on the fence about Caraboo, she's rather powerful but extremely slow becasue the gain rate for Satiety stacks is retarded.
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>>580955061
they can't afford to release a brick, the people are angy
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>>580956391
To be honest, you could staple divine chaos onto a brick and it would still be meta. It's just that good in most teams.
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>>580957145
bad for most teams because fights last 20 turns now and meta teams need to spam a specific posse to function
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>>580945964
no one was holding it against you bwo
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>>580950045
Is this a joke? this is just regular Ogier with slightly more black goop, did they make a skin for him and then pretend it was a genesis form?
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>>580945654
Oh, is this a discordtranny bake? Where is the Flares guide? You already get your threads archived. You want to move back to /vmg/ completely? You can have it.
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>>580958620
it looks nothing like regular Ogier
and that's a bad thing
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Just make extra clears give 10 points. There, your game mode is fixed.
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>>580959215
>it looks nothing like regular Ogier
>same outfit
>same build
>same face
>same colors
>just added some goop, slightly longer hair, a red eye, a hole in his chest and called it a day
sure anon he's practically unrecognizable
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>>580950045
look at this shit rationally
>debt-ridden biva
>m*les dont sell
>their females dont sell either
>release a favorites genesis
>its literally a slop reskin because hes m*le
they either turn tulu into a massive feminine trap, turn him into a girl because he can, or have its last anniversary and die. never seen morimens in a worse state than the last couple of months. like the soul was sucked out of it. and the soul was what kept me playing all the time. if the soul is gone, whats left? some uninspired garbage? the
>story got worse
>gameplay got worse
>character designs got worse
>monetization got worse
and latter is about to get much worse because this is not a never seen trajectory and development. this is corpo calling the shots and happened many times.
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>>580959370
>same face
absolutely not, right looks like a girl
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>>580959772
they both look like girls, it's the same face at a different angle
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>>580959869
>they both look like girls
nonsense, if you were given the left image without context you'd say it was a boy
can't say the same about the right image
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>>580959769
>release a favorites genesis
>its literally a slop reskin because hes m*le
i think that's the issue tho, they were afraid to alter his appearance too much
>>580959772
it's literally the same yeah, just more defined
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>>580960031
They were not afraid of anything. You never seen a re-skin because the money was lacking? They are right before Anniversary and clearly putting their sparse resources elsewhere. Stop being a dumb fuck retard coping.
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>>580960013
>if you were given the left image without context you'd say it was a boy
I wouldn't no, even Jenkin looks more boyish than he does
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>>580960120
?
so you think that if instead of this new art they went with different art it would cost more money and that's the reason they did this? and you think i'm the retard?
sheesh
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>>580960575
Yes, you are a fucking retard, you stupid nigger. You never seen a cashgrab? The low effort was worth it because retards like you will still roll on it. They ARE MAKING MONEY STILL because they didnt spend money.
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>>580957328
Only in NM, which even less people are gonna bother with than a5.
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>>580960936
>You never seen a cashgrab? The low effort was worth it because retards like you will still roll on it. They ARE MAKING MONEY STILL because they didnt spend money.
yeah this reskin is a blatant cashgrab there's no other way to see it unless you're some monkey coping
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>>580950045
He actually looks like he wouldnt bottom. Peak.
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>>580960172
Jenkins looks more like a boy than Ogier i am sorry this guy is speaking facts.
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>>580960936
>>580961148
i dont like the design either but wtf are yall talking about re-skin, you really think that making the character look different takes that much more money?
now if the kit is bland and shitty and the animations are actually re-skinned from ogier i will agree but until then you're indeed the retarded
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OG ogier looked 12, this ogier looks 14-15. Our boy has entered his edgy phase.
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>>580961317
>yall
Kill yourself, subhuman low IQ trash
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>>580961691
nice argument SEAnig
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>>580959769
Didn't all the big CN CC's boycott and drop the game over the last month?
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>>580959027
Feel free to make the next thread yourself and add his guide like the devoted Flaresnigger you are
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>>580961317
Arent all animations from genesis units re-skins?
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what a dogshit thread
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>>580950045
This looks like a skin for 1k silver...
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>>580961903
You sure are devoted to your tranny discord. And it will kill these threads for good.
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gotta agree removing links from OP over personal dramas is foid behavior
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>>580961148
>check xitter
>all comments want to roll on gogier
>even charlie kirk murder memes
besides my question to what the fuck is going on with western morimens players, the reskin slop will get eaten up.
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>>580961978
no?
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>>580962462
>what the fuck is going on with western morimens players
Sup, newcutie, western Morimens is basically the Morimens Discord server. And it's filled to the brim with trannies. Actual, dilating troons. Transvestites, FtM without surgery, crybullies, mentally unstable, stinking, axe-wound ooze seeping, literal trannies. And some of them decided to make a 4chan thread back in the day. We already have /lgbt/ here, so they knew their way around. /mori/ started on /vmg/ and slowly crawled their way into /vg/ where it doesn't belong. These trannies will never belong here. And they know it. And they do their utmost to kill these threads and they will succeed.
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>archived twice
how man are even left here? 5 anons? unless one of you makes it their fulltime job to bump i dont see it working out
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>>580962931
it just dies at night cause everyone's asleep
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>>580950981
he's such a good boy...
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>>580963221
that doesn't make any sense. whose night are you even speaking of? EU? NA?
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>>580963513
yes, the night where the entire internet traffic goes down by 60%, newfren
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>>580963578
are you trolling or just very very dumb?
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>>580963685
the irony
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>>580963513
thread died during EU night
NA let us down...
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>>580961397
Congratulations your shota evolved into femboy. He wants to learn the move frustration should you let him?
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>>580962931
Game's in the worst shape it has ever been and new players have absolutely no good time getting into it. Things got so bad it's laughable.
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>>580965023
What even changed i started when Saya was added and im fine? Like the game generally feels the same..
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>>580965023
>new players have absolutely no good time getting into it
I'm a relatively newfag and there's no real barrier to entry, if anything the problems are with endgame
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>>580965023
getting up to speed without spending much is a real nightmare for newer players. especially if the good character banners are getting their rerun in 8+ months
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Kit!
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>>580952753
I can't believe he cleared this
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>>580966631
Nobody gives a shit you fuckig tranny kill yourself
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>>580966797
saw a hamel 15 turn clear after too, 18m burst lmao
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>>580966616
we get reruns for all characters every 6 months
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>>580966631
she looks reworked but i can't tell what's what
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>>580967169
>looks at past banner spreadsheet
Wow, now thats a total lie.
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>>580967785
every anni and half anni we get daily rotating banners of every character
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>>580966631
so this is where dev time went into
complete rework she dropped her pilot and aftershock stuff for corrosion, discovers cards from allies on exalt like Pickman, and stole GMurphy waltz card
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>>580968051
nta, but those are bad value scam banners. try getting dupes there. it fucked me up massively.
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>>580968205
they're great value if you want both the character and the wheel
their value drops massively only if you have the wheel at A3
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>>580966616
Just do dailies and weeklies. Doing old stuff gets you more silver and cores. The side story stuff gets your more posses which helps with arc 2 iirc.
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>>580968051
>the FOMO scam banners are now a good thing
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA TRANNIES SHILL HAAARDER SHILL HARDER HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
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You guys can't be serious. If you took the time to actually read what the banner rates are, you'd realize the character+wheel banners are amazing value if you want BOTH. And your wheel isn't already A3 of course.
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>>580968089
sounds like she's not shit in JP unlike what we have then
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>>580968675
You can't seriously be this retarded.
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>>580969142
not an argument
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>>580968675
Stop being dishonest. New player pull on those daily banners and after 150+ end up with 2 wheels and 1 copy of the Awakener. Great value bro! I can see why Morimens is thriving! Your trannybrain has really seen it!
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>>580968675
i remember when saya and the daily pull banners came around, anons here said it's bad value and wait for actual reruns. and they were right. why do you try to push this narrative that theyre actually great value with a big, big IF?
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>>580969142
Oh, xhe is.
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>>580969228
the worse a gacha gets the more you'll see these weird idiots defending every bad shit it pulls, because they're scared of losing their game. what they don't realize, is that they're contributing to the bad state the gacha is in. defending these cut-throat daily scam banners is insane.
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>>580969228
>>580969387
>after 150+ end up with 2 wheels and 1 copy of the Awakener
yes this is the worst case scenario for that banner and it's at 180 pulls for E0 awakener + A1 wheel
worst case scenario with the same amount of pulls on the regular banner is E1 awakener and no wheel
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gogier looks like a low-effort cashgrab
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>regular awakener banner has guarantee after 2 non rate-up SSRs
>awakener+wheel banner has guarantee after 1 non rate-up SSR
This is a scam how?
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>>580969387
because of this here>>580969812
thing is that most awakeners work with standard WoDs and you can get fucked massively by those daily scam banners. and if you are already at a3 but only have one copy of the character? you're fucked. at the end of the day those banners are made to scam you out of resources. ALWAYS wait for real rerun banners but try tell a new player they have to wait for their fave 9+ months. they rather pull on the daily scam banners every anni and half-anni and get fucked. that's the new player experience.
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>>580970739
because the wheel is in it you dumb shit. my goodness, what happened to this general? it's like a complete swap happened between now and saya.
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>>580969812
The thing is morimens is getting worse because of light. Now we can only guess if it is because he is an idiot or somebody js twisting his hands but the results don't lie. The next set of changes will come with GTulu if the if biav follow the same road map and it will break the game for good.
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>>580971178
that's why I said if you want BOTH
and most people do want both under most circumstances
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>>580972171
Are you rage-baiting? Genuine question. Or just simply very very dumb? Do I have to repeat posts already made here?
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>>580950045
Like Glotan a bit too much like the original for me. I hope his kit is good.
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>>580950045
For genesis awakener it's quite lame design indeed. I guess people who wanted to keep Ogier-shota wish granted. Design is really bland tho. Should have made him living armor.
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>>580972421
What's the average limited SSR pull rate on the regular banner? What's the average limited SSR pull rate on the awakener+wheel banner?
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>>580972421
farms engagement to keep the thread going. what he doesn't realize is that he is so annoying with it that anons, like me, will just leave for the day. really not in the mood for all of this stuff. i'm already basically gone from these threads. it's gotten to the point where it's a mix of some weird yearlong feud with a content creator, those who like and hate him stuck in here, battling it out. and some random schizo, or flareschizo, out of nowhere bringing out the worst of the usual anons here. for half a year that i've been here it was quite chill. i guess /mori/ just ended up getting the usual /vg/ schizos attached to it. yeah, see you in a week. maybe.
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>>580973025
The thread won't exist in a week.
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>>580973025
Did you reply to the wrong person? You're replying to the schizo trying to stir shit up and agreeing with him, while trying to paint me as the crazy one even though I haven't said anything that isn't factually correct.
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>>580972681
>wish granted
not really, he looks like a girl
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>>580973389
That's the best part about Ogier tho? IF you can't handle feminine penis, can you call yoursel real fan?
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>>580973217
Keep going. Make everybody leave.
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>>580973628
People can leave of their own accord whenever they want to for whatever reason they want to. I haven't said anything wrong and no one so far has given any meaningful argument as to why they think I'm wrong. You just keep throwing insults at me.
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>>580973840
>no one so far has given any meaningful argument
>meaningful
Yeah, i bet you see it that way, you fucking retarded troon.
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I don't even know what Oglier is based on but shouldn't his Genesis version be some kind of Knight? Something like Lancelot from Fate.
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>>580974256
He is based on formless spawn. What is this? Pure quicksilver guardian that can shapeshift based on demand. It's basically nanomachines version of shoggoth.
>some kind of Knight?
The thing about Ogier. He never became a true knigga. He died very young protecting the Princess on country that was consumed by goo Unfortunately B.I.A.V picked rather generic design for him, despite all churazee variants they could have went with.
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>>580950045
I expected bottom right
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>>580974852
That would have required money and effort.
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>>580974852
fuark this is really just a reskin >>580950045
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>>580974852
it could still be that design except they decided to give him longer hair for some reason
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>>580976161
it's not we see he's wearing basically his og outfit in the preview >>580950045
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hmmm yeah im thinking kit tomorrow
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>>580976161
Fucking bitchass troon
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>>580968089
so she's based in JP? I need to switch
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are discordtrannies still whining about dtide I need more free rolls
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>>580982423
They are since it's still retarded desu. My account is on the lower end in terms of vertical investment but Normal is too easy whilst the jump to Hard is too large. The first 3 waves are actually fine in that regard but it's pretty cancerous when it comes to wave 4 &5 in particular. It's just one of many ways in which Nu-tide has been pretty counterintuitive. Newbabs can't even clear to get the mats and it's only Whales that can really enjoy Nightmare/Madness
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>>580983323
I don't understand why they didn't just add Alert 6. That's all they had to do.
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>>580982423
KEK
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>>580985072
I'd have liked Wave 6 instead.
Having to build another 2 teams would be more fun difficulty than just adding the current equivalent of Nightmare.
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>>580987056
i been saying this
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>>580954590
I think 10 levels is just too big of a jump between difficulties.
Also what is that exponential scaling? 10 levels for my characters means 10% more attack and a bit more hp, meanwhile 10 levels for an enemy triples/quadruples its hp?
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>>580950045
FVARK
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>>580992127
>fuarking a cheap reskin
Kill yourself, transilvester
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>>580992234
arent that what genesis versions are?
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>>580992848
don't reply to him...
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>enter w5
>first fight is this
i quit because i thought i clicked madness by mistake but nope it's nightmare
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>>580993661
they're solving legacy problems, please understand
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>>580992848
>GDoll
>GLotan
>GHelot
>GMurphy
How are these reskins? Look at Gogier, you fucking niggertranny and tell me the other three are fucking reskins.
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>>580994173
>the other three are
I meant four, because GHelot is kinda cheap and thus my brain was counting three. So, before any of you tranny fucks jump on an honest mistake. Because this shithole is filled with dishonest trannies.
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>>580993345
better than the thread EoSing!
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>>580993661
second fight madness hits for 8k on turn 4, so expect a similar amount of damage on nightmare
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>>580993661
Saya is thinking it's over
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>>580992848
okay, maybe the schizo is right. quite some idiotic posters as of late
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>>580993661
>i thought i clicked madness by mistake
that enemy has a tiny bit more hp on madness >>580954590
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>>580994173
>>GLotan
She kinda is. She even has the same personality.
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>>580995194
what the fuck
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>>580954590
Shouldn't we compare Hard to A5 instead?
Nightmare and Madness are supposed to be A6 and A7, no?
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what a dogshit thread
is it always filled with discordtroons?
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Thanks for the bump, schizo.
Have a good shift today!
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>>580996772
that image was posted in response to an anon claiming that "nightmare is basically a5"
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>>580997060
yes! especially at night, they're quiet but you should stick around and let them know
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gOgier is really gonna show the deal to BIVA, caraboo was still too early for whales to decide so they still pulled, but this time will really tell them how the changes landed
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>>581000797
Caraboo is amazing so people who went for her can hardly complain
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>>581000797
How can they win?
>OGier is super strong
>people complaing about powercreep and how DTide was changed for that
>OGier is too weak
>no one pulls except me
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>>581003419
>except me
we're all going for our knight bro!
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>>581003419
i pull one copy and that's it. and if i lose the first 50/50 i will just not bother. not going to support these reskinned cashgrabs.
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Praying for GODgier added to Traphase...one day...
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>>581007061
I can see them adding a bunch of characters in batches a couple times a year.
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morinight.. see you on the morning bake bwos
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>>581013049
sleep tight bwo
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>>581013049
Czn will mogg.
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>>580993661
came back later and cleared after replacing Caraboo with Pontos
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>>581018302
ye famiochi
your retard is at least +4
you are a dolphin
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>>581018302
stop torturing yourself with nightmare
you can probably cheese w1 madness a do w5 hard
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>>581018461
i am f2p+
>>581018825
i actually had some fun but i probably won't do it again without rewind
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>>581020779
dilate tranny
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>>580950045
The truth is, most of the player base didn't care about Ogier at all, this release feels like the result of developers listening to a very vocal minority rather than the general community.
His original design was already a total visual identity crisis. Slapping a dress uniform, shota shorts, and monster fangs onto a character is a tragic mess only a hyper-niche group could pretend to love. The whole thing radiates massive "I have no clue who my target audience is, but I’m trying so hard" energy.

Naturally, their solution for his Genesis version wasn't to fix the core mess, it was to just dump a bucket of dark, edgy paint over it. It’s a wildly shameless cash grab riding straight on the coattails of G.Lotan’s success...
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>>581024051
It is just a quick cash grab. If I still cared, I would be mad because the last male slot for the year was wasted on him.
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>>580994173
They dont even look much like the characters they are supposed to be to be honest.
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>>581027140
except Gdoll i'll give them that.
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>>581024051
Most of your party members are undead in this game and it's inspired by LoveCraftian Horror. Outsiders looking in would probably call the whole game edgy.
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tranny general
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How would someone be able to tell if people here are trannys they likely know because they are projecting.
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https://youtu.be/3SsUyoypsuU
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>>581030089
>what is pattern recognition

>>581027140
Wrong, GMurphy looks like Murphy
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Any Linux users ITT? Are you also unable to log in?
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>>581035315
Works on my machine, but I had to click through some flashing menus
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>>581031850
didnt know you liked hanging around trannies that much
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death resist
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https://youtu.be/11B9p0vrRHI
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buy an ad flares
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>>581052915
would
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hot take: this is the best non-realm non-portrait relic in the game (better than vitality injection)
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doctors case my beloved
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>>580950045
this is the worst art morimens has ever put out

i don't want to pollute my account with this design
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>not archived
disappointing
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If BIVA could still make an honest-to-god shielder without too many caveats, I'll AA him.
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>>581052915
Got a chuckle from me.
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>>581024051
Ogier's desgin is perfectly ok. Don't know what you are talking about.
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>>580951558
old ogier has sock garters

>>580950045
nugier has reverse garters that keep his shorts from riding up?
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>>581058036
Sorry anon, the days of simple kits are gone. Enjoy every new character coming with three new gimmicks and 200 aliemus.
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>>581058036
his kit will be an essay, all his cards including strikes and defense will having scrolling text and you will like it
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>>581059669
And it won't amount to anything. 3 paragraphs of word soup just to end up doing x amount of damage.
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>>581059669
I don't mind long kit, Arachne kit was long but ending up pretty intuitive. I just hate all the "downsides" they've been all about lately.
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>>581060307
non-player vibes from this one
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I am now LEGENDARY in All Pick Traphase.
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>>581059669
you VILL collect 10 stacks of loyalty before you are allowed to use his 300 cost exalt and you VILL like it
>>581061210
based
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>>581060307
isnt that literally every game ever tho?
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>>581061210
FUCK traphase. abject cancer.
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>>581061210
king
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>>581062571
More like abject KINO
Look at this beautiful card. THREE words. TWO different effects. Two possible strategic uses for the card, plus edge cases. A MASTERPIECE of card design.
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Today is not kit and just new CG right?
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>>581063145
i don't want to play this shit, get it out of morimens
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>>581035315
not a Linux user yet but there was some new EULA they want you to accept on start up which might be invisible for you
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>>581031781
I'm surprised this is his first time seeing a clear like that. I don't know if it was the same person but you could find similar Hameln clears on previous madness. Well at least one.
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>>581067190
there's like 3 players with +12 hameln so it's easy to miss
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V2.6.1 The Sinner’s Exile

In the fairy tale everyone knows, a noble knight saves the princess.
In the story no one knows, a loyal knight forsakes his oath.
Virtue is sung for all to hear... but what of sin?

The old castle sees no visitors anymore,
yet the new sun rises as it always has.
The exiled knight will never be alone—
he has his shadow beside him. He has only his shadow beside him.
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Edgier
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>>581068196
He definitely has longer hair but still short so it's ok.
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>>581068196
Dogshit
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>>581068196
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poke his eye with that stick
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>>581068749
I will poke his hole with my dick.
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>>581068196
oskip
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>>581061210
proud of you bwo
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>>581068196
nope, this character looks nothing like Ogier
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>>581073754
strip him
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>>581073754
yeah they should make them look more similar like murphy and gMurphy
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>>581076426
Murphy and GMurphy might look completely different but at least both look female
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>>581076687
then stop the larp and just say your problem is that they made him too feminine
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>>581076967
Larp? I was very open about it >>580959772
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>>581068196
So much for they didnt change his design because they were scared of rustling some jimmies. Stupid ass troon defense force. Man, you discordtroons are so pathetic
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>>581077472
its objectively the most similar genesis design to date, besides maybe ramona
only people complaining just want him to have shorter hair
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>>581079683
no, i'm complaining because his overall fit is beyond lazy. he literally looks like Ogier 2P. i really don't like where the game is headed.
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>>581080784
Me on my way to give people different hair colors for 2p
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3p with ogier and tulu
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>>581079683
yes I wanted him to have short hair and look more like that concept art where he's more like an actual knight
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Ogier belongs to me and not some fucking dead princess. Don't they dare awaken her.
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Since his design is quite basic. Do you think they went all in on animations?
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>>581082182
yes
for gtulu because gogier is a filler pre-anni char
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You lived long enough to see Morimens not EoS twice but turn into every other gacha instead
>greedy
>endgame cookie cutter
>devs lying out their asses
>cheap reskins for limiteds
>multiple bait banners all with different rules you have to read up on
>temporary pull currency
>paypig packs above 100 bucks
>story going down the drain
>botting likes and views as part #ad campaign
Third times' the charm.
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>>581068196
Okay but where's my G-Cassiah, Erica or Tinct?
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>>581082540
grim, innit
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>>581082540
>>endgame cookie cutter
I made fun of Chaos Zero Nightmare for having absolutely no diversity in teambuilding for endgame but with the recent changes we are just the same as them
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>>581082540
gonna drop this after anniv if this is going to be the new norm. it was nice while it lasted.
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you can stop replying to yourself now
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two /mori/friends from my friend list have already quit...
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>>581082540
Is there any other small gacha with sovl?
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>>581087639
resonance sovlstice
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>>581088770
isn't it omega dead?
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>>581087639
If CZN's Anniversary is better than Morimens' strictly in terms of gameplay fixes, then I'll just swap over. I have been keeping track occasionally and their devs at least appear to be listening to their current gameplay concerns.
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czn moggest
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>>581090035
morimens' gameplay is insanely good and CZN's isnt (and they have made no material improvements to their gameplay in the past 9 months beyond "QoL"), the CZN devs can do naked dogezas as much as they want but it wont change this

do install czn though the first 200 hours or so are great and and every unit is complete at E0 4* weapon just quit when you get bored
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>>581092334
>morimens' gameplay is insanely good
Really. What exactly makes the gameplay 'insanely good'?
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>>581092594
it's rich with decision making, you have to time exalts with card effects which makes playing things out non-trivial and less stat-checky, and the game doesnt devolve into playing your entire deck every turn (after arc1)

if you dont think morimens gameplay is good wtf are you doing here?
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>>581093438
>if you dont think morimens gameplay is good wtf are you doing here?
shilling czn
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>>581093438
spamming 200 aliemus exalt every three turns and pressing posse every turn is not rich decision making
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>>581095446
great, fuck off then retard
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>>581093438
>it's rich with decision making
Lmao this is not chess, kiddo. Look at the current state of endgame and tell me where that 'rich' decision making is?
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>>581092334
>>581093438
>lowercase shill who defended daily scam banners is also defending the current state of morimens gameplay
You can't make this up. It's literally one guy constantly running defense.
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>>581095739
"the current state of endgame" what are the teams making endgame trivial and zero decision making?
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>>581095989
>the current state of morimens gameplay
what is "the current state of morimens gameplay" to a nonplaying spastic like yourself?
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>>581095989
>everyone that disagrees with me is the same person
meds
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>>581095989
all me
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czn richer decisionmaking kek
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>>581095989
This post triggered the shill lol
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>>581095989
>>581098251
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>>581096397
>>581096563
>check time between posts
Lowercase troon literally fuming on cooldown. Getting exposed made you really mad LMAO
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This 285 posts above? All me btw.
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this place really turned to shit. has it always been infested with this many discord trannies?
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I'm both Flares and Kaly
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Pot calling the kettle black
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kit tomorrow!
this time for sure!!
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i'm Concerned because our refined gnosis income is now so high compared to our gnosis income, counting mandatory traphase humiliation + arcade/pdive we get two refined and three yellow pyramids per month and it takes four yellows and two refined to level 80 a character

the era of levelling a bunch of characters to 70 might be over and the new meta will be keeping characters at 60 or 80 which causes me anxiety
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>>581108787
>w-why the mo-mood is so weird and tense...
>a-anyways, let's post the usual p-post
>yeeah so hyped ! r-right guys ?!
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>>581110036
Chat is this real?
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>>581110036
czn something something
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>>581109202
dzone resets twice per month so it's 4 refined and 6 regular but yeah you're right
it takes 5 refined and 10 regular to get a character from 60 to 80 so the regular gnostic primers will very quickly become scarce unless the devs do something
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>>581112062
they saw me spend 2k primes on a holiday bundle for five yellow primers after i was rich from the prime refunds I'm sorry......
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>>581108787
It's always on Thursdays with patch previews on Friday nyo
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>>581068196
No idea why he can't be a outhbreaker or something.
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>>580971046
seems to be my experience, caUSE IM GONNA ROLL ROLL ROLL
FUCK WAITING A YEAR TO MAKE A JELLYFISH TEAM
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>>581110036
>implying i read or care for schizo babble
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>>581115974
no they accelerated it this time trust
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is it true that biav has piled up insane amount of debt? i just started out and that makes me not want to invest at all
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you're not fooling anyone
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>>581122384
very concerning
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>>581122384
I wouldn't invest shit in this tranny game. It's close to EoS but this time they are debt-ridden as fuck. Ain't getting out of this one, buddy.
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you convinced me, ALL 6 of us anons ITT should boycott biav to really show them.
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is it true that Light prostitutes himself while cosplaying as Ramona to pay off the debt? I just farted and it makes me not want to breathe at all
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/mori/ became like the rest of /vg/. do we now live like this and speak like this or do we take the thread to /vmg/ and have proper discussions? is this really worth it is what im trying to get at here...
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>playing pdive
>can't just rouse gdoll turn 1
>she becomes so much worse

Wew. The real culprit of 1.x mechanics being shit was not being able to rouse whenever you want to.
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>>581126401
thank light
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>>581126401
I don't mind /vmg/ or /vm/ but the threads will be a lot slower with almost no potential for new people to join the discussion. Most of the active posters on /vmg/ are concentrated in the drama thread and the femcel thread, the rest of the board is basically dead.
Also we're not nearly the slowest thread on /vg/ nor do I think that running away to another board because of a single schizo is going to solve anything.
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>>581127928
>running away to another board because of a single schizo is going to solve anything
i dont like to open the thread and read whatever stupid stuff is being said. i dont even know why all of this is happening. and i dont like the once friendly /mori/ to constantly cuss either. all of it kinda gets to me.
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>>581126401
literally any microcommunity that forms on 4chin is doomed to schizophrenia, this is not unique to /vg/.
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czn friendlier kek
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>>581128413
Is it though?
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>>581128307
Just filter some buzzwords and you won't have to read any of it. It doesn't require any extensions or anything, there's a baseline filtering functionality in the website's settings.
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>>581128942
i did and it still goes through...
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>>581129053
he should get bored of it eventually
surely
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Oops devs got me. I accidentally clicked auto transcription with 2 locked substats. -1000 pens. Welp that's enough motivation to drop the game.
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>>581132209
you didn't get an 8 within 100 rolls?
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>>581132209
honestly, fair. they should not let things like this happen in a phone game and that was a stupid thing to put in the game.
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>>581132209
btw if you ever do want to salvage your account one menophin + pens monthly will give you 900 pens, but it costs real money and I get they dont deserve it after letting that happen.
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>>581132209
They really need to give out more covenant mats now.
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>>581133701
the thing about that stupid feature is settling for 7s is a much cheaper/better way to build your covs given how little you get going from 7 -> 8 and how expensive it is. but there's no feature to make that easier.
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>>581134117
imo there should be some kind of pity for it
uncontrolled randomness is never fun
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>>581129053
if you wanna filter more seriously get 4chanX extension
on the comments filter just add

/regex or word here/is;boards:vg

and you can turn off stubs too so you don't see it at all
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>>581132209
Kek trash ass game
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alright time has come to drop 4 petris on murphy fuck not having overflow
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>>581134873
>lowercase faggot
>redditspacing
>trans
Damn, you are every mental illness imaginable
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>>581137586
her OE is kinda mid but new d-tide has really shown how insane of a tank she is
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>>581138264
Shut your dirty mouth, you little troonfag
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goodnight
patch notes and kit tomorrow!
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dogshit discordtranny infested general
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>>581141309
tone it down a bit
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>>581140685
morinight!
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>>581143939
where is your filter you little tranny?
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>>581145883
sister you are trying way too hard
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>>581146353
where is your filter you little tranny?
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>>581137879
you behave like those black fat women who are very loud and get mad when no one wants to hear their chimping noises
get filtered, psycho
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>>581149137
cringe trooney
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>literally 80% of the osts start with rustling cymbals
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Should I let it archive?
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meh whatever happens
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>want to play doll
>she isn't actually used in any teams
>instead she's just mixed into an already established core
Damn
Is there a list of core teams/filler units?
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>>581061210
How do I counter GLotan teams
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>>581164279
by having her cards at the bottom of the opponents deck and winning quickly
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so I can't get blessed jade as starting relic?
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nevermind next time I got it only took 20 resets
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>>581162060
Doll is BASED, I used to think she was the worst unit in the game but with Vortice/Pontos/Arachne all dealing damage that doesn't need vuln she gets in there

i put rabbit on her here because I couldn't rouse her, but the smart thing to do is put unstained chronicle on her and rouse her so that she gives you shield whenever you posse

picrel is my favorite team in game, but vortice + murphy + double dolls is fun too, you will usually see her in monochaos teams (24) because it's an overpowered realm she's a good unit and there's a limited number of monochaos-appropriate chaos units
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>>581168202
proof of doll's excellence
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>>581168202
nta but that team does look pretty cool
not sure if chaos Pontos is better than ultra Pontos but i'll try it out
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>>581170492
it's really good because pure divine aequor gives 100% dmg amp and with the chaos boost you start out with very high initial tentacle dmg

also funny minor synergy is hameln's soulforge gives him 3 aliemus the first five times you play an insight per turn and Pontos prints insights when he's fully stacked at the boss, but hameln is mostly there for cost reduction and double playing all the good targets in the deck (memory rondo, pontos' 2 cost, semaphore, lightning retribution, doll's 2 cost)
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>>581164279
Honestly I just got into Legendary and I still mull over that question myself. Her kit is arith intensive, but with Ramona she can unleash her combo very early and it is devastating. She is also able to target any of your characters so you can't defend on your side.

I see 2 options right now. First is you can status her with paralyze or weakness, this delays her for a turn or two which is significant. Second is discard, that means either using Clem or using a posse like Blessing of the Stars or Fall of Giant.
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>>581173670 (cont)
I was actually using Blessing in my build until just recently because of teams like GLotan/Ramona. I switched off it because I noticed the posse was inconsistent and also highly matchup dependent. In particular this posse's worst matchup is against Jenkin, where the card is usually useless, and having a useless posse feels real bad. But I've started considering using the posse again because GLotan is a big issue.
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I wish I could "start over" and do the campaign from the start at level 10, 20, etc. It'd be pretty cool to see how comps fare compared to the chapter gimmicks.
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infinite money relic wins
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>>581178305
modern characters destroy arc 1
you can start a new account and speedrun it with caraboo who one shots every elite and boss with her fixed damage for a very long time
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Sending Kath to black pool since I'm not pulling her AA and 20 turns+++ clear is pure cancer.
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>>581180471
20+ turns means that you have more room for strategic decidion making
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>>581183584
thanks light very cool
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>>581162060
I use her on my 24 team
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>>581162060
obviously tho
any generic support unit is supposed to be mixed into any comp that needs it, that's true for any game
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>>581180471
almost every team takes 20 turns to clear nowadays unless you're cheesing
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>design shit like saya that can help to OTK everything
>see that people OTK bosses
>nooo how is this possible
>press the x10 hp magic button
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>>581189351
It wouldn't have even been a problem. They didn't need to pump up the difficulty that high. I keep saying all they needed to do was add alert 6 and it would've been fine.
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MorimensV2.6.1 Naughty Mugshots

"Alright, everyone, line up! Hold your placards straight. Time for your mugshots!"
"Show me your 'caught in the act' face—no cheeky grins!"

So, what do you think Ogier: Oathbound would get busted for? Fill in his blank placard with a "charge"! The Administrative Office has Silver ×200 for you as a little thank-you for taking his mugshot
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>>581189980
Tall shota
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>>581189980
manlet!
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My boy Ogier has just led me to the most PERFECT Traphase victory I have ever experienced. Absolutely sublime.

>>581189980
Ogier you are charged with absolutely slaughtering this enemy team in our last match.
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>>581189351
The scaling is just all over the place and the gaps between waves are too large. Alert 4&5 w1 to w5 enemies incrementally gained 1 level per wave starting from lvl 73 on a4w1 and going all the way to lvl 82 on a5w5.
Current scaling in normal is 6 levels per wave, hard 4 levels per wave and nightmate/madness 2 levels per wave. This results in enormous jumps in difficulty from w1 to w5 in the same tier. Wave 1 Nightmare is essentially what in the old scaling would've been a6w3 while wave 5 would've been a8w1.
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>>581189980
Charged for being too cute :3
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>>581189980
>he still has his shorts
So is this some kind of fetish character for Chinese foids or something?
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>>581190670
? It's called shota shorts for a reason. What do you expect?
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>>581179809
That's really unfortunate for newbies, hopefully with hard mode being available right off the bat will help the slog that is one shotting everything on normal for hours
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>>581189980
if this is his sprite it actually loos pretty good
my only complaint is the reverse garters an anon pointed out and I can't stop noticing
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>>581179809
Isn't caraboo a fucking WARDEN WHY DOES SHE DO SO MUCH DAMAGE. I thought Mouchette+Saya was really good for a while but holy shit.
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>>581189980
So his hair is different. I wasn't sure before.
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>>581190167
You are shorter than a shota.
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>>581191309
Character role doesn't matter as much. Usually even support roles get nuke/scaling cards. It's very flexible approach. As for Caraboo. It's fixed damage big numbers attack. The less hoops awakener needs to jump to delete the enemy - the better it gets. Naturally that also results in endless bloat competition between awakeners and the enemies alike as shoddy attempt to bring game to balanced state (also helps to encourage player working better on their rolls)
Number bloat will be the death of this game.
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>>581191309
wait till you see what she does in snow terrain
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>>581190831
Oathbreaker. A version of the character where he fails to protect the princess and end up falling and changing into something else. A proper black or whatever armor.
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>>581193524
>A proper black or whatever armor
Not going to happen unless it's new character. But I honestly not sure who can inherit same knight aesthetic. So no Lancelot (?) from Fate for you.
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>>581189351
Well, they got your money, didnt they? Released OP collab character and then indirectly nerfed it shortly after. Where did i see this again..? Oh, yeah! In every fucking mobileslop like Diablo Immortal or some shit. It is absolutely insane just how blatant these scams are. I dont understand why we are okay with this. Light has been pulling every cheap mobile scam trick imaginable.
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>>581193989
I don't know. Murphy and g Murphy are alt done right. Or Helot and g Helot. Whatever the guy is, isn't cutting it.
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>>581194170
>Released OP collab character and then indirectly nerfed it shortly after
that's what czn is doing all the time with their season characters. i guess morimens was never any better.
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>>581194271
Sorry. I didn't mean GOGIER is how they always designed genesis variants. It's more about just picking bland option imaginable and sticking with it.
>Whatever the guy is, isn't cutting it
Yeah. I agree. At the same time, cut guy some slack. He competes aganist G-Tulu. And you already know where all effort will go. Yes? Unless they completely drop the ball on the G-tulu design too. Might be possible. Which would mean their resident arfags deserve to be whipped. Uhhh ironically. Ofc. Ha-ha.
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>>581190167
he's lifted up by tentacles
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>>581194170
i regret spending money here. i was blinded by the decent act 1 story. then act 2 was kinda hit or miss, traphase is boring, the train is not fun, d-tide is worse than ever. so, what exactly has one left? man, i really regret spending...
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>>581195809
i would love these d-tide HP numbers if the dmg numbers weren't inflated as well
basically every character has comps and combos that can do enough dmg for madness, but there's VERY few comps that can survive while doing that dmg
so the meta right now is simply kinda boring even for most whales, which is the biggest issue
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>>581195282
only tentacles?
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>>581195948
true endgame is completely unattainable for moderate spenders now. not to mention moderate spenders who haven't played for 2+ years. before the changes i could have seen myself reaching 400+ one day. now? lol.
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>>581195948
The second fight of w5 hitting for 8k on turn 4 is just obscene. I think the devs just don't play the game at all, or at least not with E3/OE characters.
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>>581194856
They already ruined Tulu. You know it.
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>>581196260
impossible. light would never lie to us
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>>581196273
If GTulu doesnt look like a girl and is gay for me then what the fuck are they even doing?
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kit any minute now!
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>>581197539
News are over for today...
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>>581198425
nyo..
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so today's news was just gOgier's height..?
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>>581202297
hehe
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>>581202297
i mean, the devs are insanely in debt just for trying to keep the game alive for another year. they banked on the saya collab and whatnot to bring in more players, alas. now we get cheap releases and more monetization. textbook mismanagment and milking of the playerbase. usually before the plug gets pulled. its fine, though, i like offline games, too. unless thats another lie light pulled.
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what's the easiest wave to madness clear with a whale carry?
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>>581205750
100 base aliemus
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>>581205750
>>581205905
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stackslop again
corrosionslop again
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caught in the undertow just caught in the undertow
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>>581205750
>>581205905
>>581206047
Yep. Morimens is dead.
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>>581205750
>>581205905
>>581206047
words words words
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but for what purpose??
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Maybe it's time to go back to WuWa
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no wonder they finished his kit early
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>>581205750
>>581058036 (me)
Okay, never let it be said that I'm going back on my word.
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>>581207428
Did they fucked up? His strike doesn't even do anything unique....
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>>581205750
lol you need AA for him to be viable in D-Tide. what a fucking trash game
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>>581207428
Is he a free character?
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>>581208296
no, just looks like one but is actually a long-awaited limited to a beloved character :) only looks like a cheap reskin :)
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>Saya: unconditional 12000% ATK corrosion on a 0 cost
>Caraboo: unconditional 12000%-24000% ATK corrosion on exalt
>Ogier: 200% ATK corrosion on a 2 cost AND it requires him to be roused AND it's "Turn Unique" so you can't even multicast it on a burst turn
my expectations were low but man am I still so disappointed
this game has been nothing but a string of disappointments for me and I'm not even the resident doomposter
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actual fucking brick
his only use is shielding with exalt and pChaos bot cause no way in hell his STR scaling can do shit in madness
probably AA bait to be a carry
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Anon, I suggest you wait for the anniversary as it is in several months. And if you are still unhappy with the way the game is just drop it

Frankly I don't think any of us( even the leighfag) matter to the overall networth of biav. If things are as bad as they seem, most whales will boycott or leave.
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>>581208996
akshually he automatically has the highest corrosion applicaton ceiling in the game since it's based on dmg dealt
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>>581209309 (Me)
(along with caraboo with image relic)
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>>581205750
>stack this effect to get -3 draw per turn
No way this is a real thing. Enjoy drawing 2 cards a turn.
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>>581209446
seems like he's tailor-made to unbrick kath
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>>581209309
Do you know how much strength you need before it evens out with Saya's 0 cost? Which you can multicast 3-4 times in the same turn pretty easily by the way.
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>>581209580
i said ceiling, meaning lvl90 with AA
but having read the kit again pretty sure it only applies corrosion once per turn so it will definitely apply more than a single saya's 0 cost but probably not multiple casts so you're right on that
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>>581209816
Lets not forget that E3 Saya's corrosion also has HP% scaling. There's just no way Ogier can realistically match her corrosion in a real fight.
I keep rereading his kit to see if I've missed something but there's literally nothing there. It's a do nothing character that just gimps your draws.
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>>581210095
the HP% on saya's is nice but not enough, how much are you getting on a w5m fight? you'll get between 35k and 40k per 0 cost
haven't done the math for gOgier but at 3 stacks with fully stacked SF talent and reasonable STR (maybe 1-2k), you can probably get upwards of 300-400k corrosion on a crit with certain combos
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>>581198425
>>581205750
wtf I lied
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>>581210095
>>581210470
I don't see the point comparing them, Saya 0 cost is a mobbing tool and Ogier 2 cost is clearly for boss only. I wouldn't even bother playing it in mobs.
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>>581210470
>at 3 stacks
You need to cast his do nothing 2 cost 3 times do get 3 stacks. And you're getting -draw while holding said stacks. You also can't use exalt while stacking them because they will disappear. Just hoops upon hoops upon hoops you need to jump through.
Sorry for doomposting I'm just genuinely disappointed. I'll go do something else to clear my thoughts.
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So if I get it right. Gameplan is
>rouse
>play endless shadow X7777777777 times
>use Spear
>inflict billions of corrosion
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>>581210801
Saya's 0 cost is a boss annihilator on madness because it has HP% scaling. A large chunk of the w5 madness clears you can find use Saya and it's not because of the mobbing alone.
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>>581210875
well at 0 stacks it's half that dmg which is still not bad but i see your point
i still think he will be meta at the very least, he pairs very well with kath since she doesn't need the regular draw
and if nothing else he's a good shielder with pretty good semi-passive STR generation
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>>581210993
the strength buff caps out at 5 airthmetica spent on endless shadow
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I will wait for godplayer Flares before I decide on my opinion.
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>>581210993
realistically you keep him in a corner playing his defense and X cost for 0 arith to passively stack STR for your real carry
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>>581209297
>most whales will boycott or leave
The top chinese players and biggest content creators are already boycotting/left/not spending. Not sure if this will be one of those chinese resentments that hold for a lifetime, but it does look grim
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I'm never ever going above 1 stack of Undertow. In fact, I'll only ever play his 2 cost if I could exalt that turn and remove it.
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actually isn't his WoD BiS on kath?
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Good News: Reddit love his kit! The game is saved!
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>>581211229
gogier is stallshit so flares will rate him A/S
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How much shield will one of his defense cards provide when everything is maxed out?
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>>581211703
at AA lvl 90 it'd be around 200-300
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>>581211531
The only other game with similar boycott I have played is AFK arena years ago and it did matter because Lilith made changes.
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>>581211703
Since the rouse and wod are both defense base shield they're probably additive so 40% DEF. At level 60 SF 10 he'll have 188 DEF so a single defense will be 75 shield.
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>>581212158 (me)
since the other anon mentioned AA, at lvl 90 SF 10 a single defense should be 125 shield.
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>>581212419
wait aren't the base shield %s multiplicative?
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His wheel +12 is BiS for Kath.
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>>581212419
how did you get 125? did you take into account his AA +100% base?
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>>581211185
I was looking at soulforge which increases STR bonus for the spear.
>>581211428
No changes compare to the base Ogier. Huh.
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I'm just gonna skip thinking and borrow him next Monday to see his number in practice.
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Kek finally the west is waking up. Biav is not your friend. Light neither. Just bunch of chinks that gambled and lost. Now their publisher is calling the shots. Faggot chink about to pay the price. Troons mad.
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>>581212686
>>581211584
we smort
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>>581212686
Whatever. She stays on the bench.
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idk about his exalt wording, the way it's written in english seems like guilt stacks and the base shield/STR generated by exalt aren't tied together
so it could be per-fight or maybe it persists but i doubt it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvD8z1IIbxQ
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>>581214360
thanks Flares
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>>581214360
>>581211680
Flares?
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>>581212668
Increases that are the exact same stat are typically additive. So for example if one effect said +50% base shield on Defense and the other said the wielder's command cards generate +50% base shield, these would be multiplicative.

>>581212782
He has 250 DEF at lvl 90 SF 10. Rouse gives 100% base shield, wod gives 50% base shield therefore:
250*0.2*2.5=125
If they are multiplicative (which they probably aren't) it would be:
250*.2*2*1.5=150
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>>581213441
it just means that when consuming undertow, the current exalt generates more shield and str
it's not a stacking effect for future exalts if that's what you're thinking
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>>581212820
yes the strength bonus caps out at 1200% strength which is 6 triggers of his X cost which is 5 arithmetica spent on a single cast or you can cast it 6 times for 0 or mix and match
whatever you do the cap is 1200% strength
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uhh is his E2 supposed to say defense?
unless i'm missing something his strike doesn't do anything
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>>581217552
it's literally just double aliemus on strike yeah
>>581214360
he's doomposting about the AA, it's strong but only for his dps/spear gameplay but that's giga niche and not even that good, normally you just play him as a support
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>>581215362
i'm amused that i was right but it's not hard to guess his ratings
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I just realized that his OE is complete garbage. Also he lost his vuln for whatever reason...
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>>581218224
this is biav's compromise for listening to the players and making his exalt 100 aliemus
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>>581218224
>Also he lost his vuln for whatever reason
Vuln's too OP. On the brighside you can run two Ogiers! STR for days!
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Was thinking how good he's going to be with chaos 24 then remembered that he's divine realm slop
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>>581214360
>One of the strongest supports in the game A-S tier.
>oh yeah I'm skipping him btw
????????????????????????????????
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on a second thought he doesnt work with kath since she needs her posse and he's pChaos, geeg
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>>581218317
Spending 100 extra aliemus just to get 36-72 extra strength makes it easily the worst OE in the game. That's without even going into how incredibly lazy it is.
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>>581219494
yeah i think he's strong but the entire design is pretty boring, basically the same framework as saya and caraboo but without any cool shit
maybe they just wanted to get lotan and ogier genesis out of the way before arc 3, but with gDoll being so good it feels kinda underwhelming
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>>581219494
It's a lot more than that, level70 with SF10 + wheel + E1 his exalt will give roughly 35 base, with 2 stacks of undertow 70, so OE will give 210str before additional effects. He also gens aliemus fairly fast, basically the reason OE can be good is you're getting triple value for dealing with Undertow one time. I imagine it'll be possible to get it up to 400 with level 80 and 3 stacks and an strGen secondary wheel.
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my major problem with his design is Guilt, he has two skill cards that can consume guilt cards to draw defenses AND ONE OF THEM IS AN X CARD. THE DEFENSE IT DRAWS WILL BE UNPLAYABLE.
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>>581220387
that's prob the reason they gave retain to that defense
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>>581206047
Ryker BiS WoD
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>>581220387
sis it has retain
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>>581220257
>He also gens aliemus fairly fast
Literally how? He gets an extra 10 aliemus from strike and that's it.
Reminder that he has no access to regular pure chaos so you're probably imagining the aliemus gain on that team. He can't do that.
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>>581217758
he's completely overrating the AA, it's just a couple hundred extra corrosion from the base scaling and an extra 2-10k corrosion from the strength scaling depending on how much strength and crit damage you have
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>>581220921
well the base dmg is pretty fat so the +100% base is definitely strong, but i don't think it defines his kit
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>>581220921
he always overrates AA
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>>581218317
they made it 100 aliemus because of saya's wod
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the main issue remains that pChaos bricks too many units that were designed around their posse..
his best comp right now might just be gLotan
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>>581221396
i don't think they need to design around saya's wod at all since pretty much every team wants it
and saya herself is too strong to give it up
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>>581221138
He has 297 ATK at lvl 90 SF 10 so it's an extra 594 corrosion multiplied by whatever crit dmg and dmg amp he has. Realistically it's a couple thousand extra corrosion at most from the base scaling.
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>>581221427
if he wasnt pchaos he would save Kath is the sad thing. Mouchette might have potential.
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also remember to increase every number by 10% more because PChaos gives 10% more stats.
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What is his best covenant and sub stats?
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>>581222436
feast from afar or dreams with cr/cd
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>>581222436
Paradox maybe? I guess wildcard would be TT White. FFA is always good choice. But anon already mentioned it.
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unironically
is czn better?
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>>581223348
you can go ahead and try it
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>>581222436
realistically burial grounds because there are better characters to put dreams on
twisted twins is interesting like the other anon said and it might be worth it because you might not draw enough cards to spend arithmetica on with all of the -draw from undertow
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>>581223107
>>581223595
if you're gonna go TT you'd probably want black not white
>he scales with CR
>the double strike generates double aliemus
>reduces gLotans big sword arith by 2
>you're playing gLotan so you're getting oneshot anyway
me big bwain
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>>581223348
i WANT czn to be better. there's no rivalry. but its just not, eventually it just sucks.
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For the first time, I finally read what does OG Ogier's image do. Maybe I'll get my own to 90 later.
Gogier would would go in different team though, this whole team wants OG Chaos. Maybe with Mouchette.
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im not gonna invest into any unit until arc 3
i dont trust them not to upend the entire meta again
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>>581223348
At this point? Yeah.
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help me cope, is there ANY way to run kath in pee chaos? do you need OE?
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>>581232054
Just put Gogier wheel on her and use the usual team instead
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>>581224757
surprised he didn't max out the rouse after all that investment
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>>581232054
probably with some card selection but it's a big gimp
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>>581232054
you can live without her posse
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>>581236520
it's just not enough fiamma without posse, it already gets rough even with the posse every turn. nothing stopping me from trying it but i expect it to feel very bricked
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>single target corrosion
do we know if BIAV playtest their game internally?
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>>581241114
you want every chara to be saya?
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>>581241304
nah Saya is too good
I just expect restrictions and drawbacks to come with some sort of payoff
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>>581241536
well as with every single target vs AOE ever, you trade the AOE for higher numbers on one target
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Gogier will likely not save or ruin the game it will stay as it is for now.

Caraboo is the one with problems for new players.
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>>581242080
not sure what you mean, Caraboo is insanely strong
just her fixed damage alone can hard carry new players for quite a while
if anything, going from the likes of Saya and Caraboo to GOgier feels so jarring
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I'll be real with you I think Pee Chaos is the most overrated thing in the game and after turn 2 it is a brick and the worst realm in the game

this is somewhat acceptable for GLotan who has ways to win fast but for a slow stall character like Gogier its more of a problem
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>>581242626
we don't know what his posse does yet it will really suck if they actually gave him an insane posse lmao
so far the only cute synergy I've found for pchaos is with Pickman because of the discovers
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>>581242304
Pontos also is really good defensively and during long levels. the str down is goated.

What i mean is new players wont learn how to play the game with caraboo. It'll be cutscene hell for them. and by the time they have to do stuff they have to engage in multiple mechanics they may not know how to deal with.
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>>581242626
I hope they add a 5th realm so i dont have to deal with this crap..
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>>581242626
it's objectively the strongest realm unless you need a specific posse spam
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>>581246629
singularity ultra is pretty insane too
what's even more insane is that you can mix them without really losing anything
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>>581205750
Meh every new character is a dps that also shields for 1000 every 3 turns. Teambuilding is getting boring.
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>>581248884
GOgier isn't shielding for 1000 lmao, his exalt has 70% DEF scaling which is like 3.5 Defenses.
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patch notes tomorrow!!
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>>581207428
all they had to do was let strike apply vuln
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>>581248884
>>581249940
gog shield around 700 and add around 100 str on exalt
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>>581207428
does this count as 2 strikes for long blade?
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>>581253501
yeah that wouldnt be broken at all..
>>581207428
>>581253882
yep, he's obviously designed with glotan in mind
it's cute that now you can make a LORD and gLORD comp and both are pretty strong
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>>581253882
takes effect does not count as playing a strike twice
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>>581253876
>shield around 700
he doesn't shield that much even at 90
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>>581253960
no it wouldn't be broken at all
GDoll got to keep Doll's weakness and even got vuln on top of all of the other crazy stuff she can do, why can't GOgier keep his vuln?
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>>581254438
sure but on his 2cost not strike
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>>581254535
so fucking what?
you're still paying arithmetica for it, 2 turns of vuln for 2 arith, 1 turn of vuln for 1 arith
seems more reasonable than randomly having a barebones strike that has no relevance to the character just hit twice
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>>581254827
well since you dont seem to play much, strikes are insanely easy to tutor and reduce to 0 cost etc
by design they don't want vuln to be free since it's so important, adding it on strike would break every framework BIVA has ever (tried to) set up
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>>581255154
>strikes are insanely easy to tutor
the fuck are you even talking about?
they are not easier to tutor than skills, almost anything that can target a strike can also target a skill
>b-but there's stuff like Mouchette's posse that specifically draws strike
yeah and there are posses like for the new world that specifically draw skills or posses that draw general command cards like mountain's resolve which can draw both
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Just started the game, what should I be looking for with my first rolls?
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>>581255982
really doesn't matter, you'll eventually have all standards anyway so just pick whoever looks cool to you
also welcome!
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>>581255735
strike has a fuckton of support and will always be relevant with future awakenes, posses, wheels etc
you can't add the strongest utility in the game to them, simple as
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>>581255735
>TTW exists
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>>581255982
Get Jenkin
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you guys seriously think letting GOgier keep his vuln would be OP? for real?
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>>581257183
jenkin is too honest for new players, any of the last 4-5 awakeners trivialize arc 1
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>>581257273
On 2 cost would probably be fine, BIAV has been very stingy with vuln lately, but it's true that it's the strongest general buff in the game.
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>>581255982
You mean your first Pulls? First read how the Realms work
>MAIN MENU/DORMITORY > RECORDS > COMBAT TUTORIAL
then from there decide which Realm you want to pull on.
>MAIN MENU/DORMITORY > AWAKEN > REALM STUDY > bottom-left > select your Realm.
Depending on which Awakener you get make sure to try out their Trial to understand how they "should" be played
>MAIN MENU/DORMITORY > RECORDS > AWAKENER TUTORIAL
and which one of your pity team they can be swapped out with.

LOTAN: DPS
OGIER: DEFENSE
DOLL: HEAL
RAMONA: SUPPORT Also WIFE
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>>581257273
You seriously think +50% damage wouldn't be OP?
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>>581259698
it's not a unique effect, it doesn't stack with other sources of vuln, it just lets him keep something he had in his original kit
or are you claiming that regular Ogier is OP?
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Corrosion was a mistake
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>>581260782
You seriously think regular Ogier with corrosion and a divine realm wouldn't be OP?
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>>581263132
i actually think it's one of the best mechanics they've pushed as of lately, in a sea of Ls corrosion is pretty enjoyable to play around
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>>581263713
worst mechanic in the game and makes every new support unable to work with Doresain
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>>581255982
sanga
gmurphy
caraboo
whatever you like
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>>581255982
It's a big contributor to the insane HP bloat we've got going on lately. Saya pretty much broke the entire game with just one card.
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>>581263479
regular Ogier has much higher shielding and temp strength generation for burst turns
no, I don't think giving GOgier 1 turn vuln on strike would be OP
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>>581263479
corrosion yes, divine realm no
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the same people complaining about power creep want weak and vuln on every new character
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fuark nothing left to grind silver from but exp breadcrumbs
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>>581266172
>>581277697
We haven't had an awakener with Weakness or Vulnerable since Pickman. They're killing those status effects like they did in JP
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>>581281069
you mean since Caraboo
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>>581281069
also if they "kill" weak and vuln in arc3 I don't really care or understand why it's an outrage
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>>581282161
Oh yeah, nevermind me I'm a retard
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>>581282161
she also has aoe corrosion
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reminder: three days left to use all five of these things
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next silver cum bonus reset when
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Imagine how kino it would be if they put GOgier in Traphase. I guess it will just remain a dream for now.
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>>581255982
Whoever you want for a while you should be fine.
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>>581282401
biva's strongest soldier
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>>581282401
weak/vuln application is a layer of utility that keeps old characters relevant
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>>581302397
maybe you can explain why giving weakvuln to fewer new units is "anti-consumer".
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The real mechanic that they abandoned and STILL balanced around today is vuln/weak dispel. The last character that can dispel was Tulu.
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>>581304073
Having dispel makes it hard for you to make strategic decisions on how to stat check debuffing enemies
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QrbI2sfFSY
not Flares
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>>581309579
thanks Flares
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>>581309579
>not Flares
not watching
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>>581309579
another Flares classic
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>>581281069
>>581282401
it's an outrage because having vuln was a core part of Ogier's kit and some people are disappointed he doesn't get to keep it
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>>581303785
great gif
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Dogshit tranny gacha
Dogshit tranny general
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first time tried block Kath. she seems to be unironically better at being a shield bot rather than dps
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>>581320974
yeah her whole thing is stall and scale with E3, she's still viable but high investment for nightmare+
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>>581320974
This damage per turn chart from a certain Madness clear shows you how exactly she's being played at the highest end.
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did czn mog?
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>>581331489
unfortunately
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XPAH-HBTQ-DLVC
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>>581320974
second defense in deck is her most popular build, because her str scaling is actually very high so stalling fights out gets you there and fiamma bouncing defends is so powerful. also all these kathcopers pay for premium topics so they rewind her missed crits.

my issue with her "stall" playstyle is it's completely mogged by divine aequor as a concept and especially murphysex which stalls and ramps much more easily.
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>>581336657
39
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really good SR too
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>>581342212
brick
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>>581343896
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>>581343995
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im retarded, i thought this was gonna be version 2.7 and thus the last arc 2 patch, forgot there's 2.6.X...
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>>581343995
Yes! Xu rerun finally!
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>>581344152
finally i can toggle off my scintilla on all my affinity 20 characters
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>>581342212
>>581342373
Yeah it's absolutely over for real this time. I'll redo my calcs with the addition of the SR wheel but I don't think it'll make much of a difference. He's easily the worst character to release this year and maybe ever.
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>>581347194
My theory is both GLotan and GOgier were late additions because investor-chan didnt want any more 2 week pauses between banners, something about both of their designs and kits feels off while everyone else this year feels good to me.

It's been a while since they had to emergency buff a new awakener but its not like Goog would be the first, if he has problems its just a numbers problem its not like shield+str on exalt is a fundamentally non-viable concept
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>>581343896
filler patch
filler character
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I'm getting Xu AA
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>>581351574
don't let Qookka win...
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>>581343995
does this mean i can roll for castor specifically or can i only roll for him with the other 2 characters?
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>>581354721
these are all individual so you roll for 50/50 on castor yes
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>>581353187
I haven't topped up since the refund
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>>581355380
>688 pulls on average to AA a character
>nonny has 1600 pulls saved
hmm... i see
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Don't care. I will level 90 and + 12 Gogier
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Everyone shut up about your son and look at my daughter instead. She is very small.
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>>581357152
gog legitimately might be BiS jenkin support (I've never played jenkin carry)
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>>581356405
based
Light doesn't deserve players like you
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i still dont understand why they emergency buffed xu's useless OE but arachne and kekaboo's useless OEs stayed

truly an enigmatic developer
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Anyone noticed that Saya's wheel might be bugged? It says it increases fixed corrosion but it seems to be doubling the HP% corrosion as well. It wasn't really noticeable before but now that bosses have 20 million HP you can see her apply like 250k corrosion on non-caro enemies which is not 0.5% of their HP.
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>>581309579
Ah yes. The "Artist". The "SLUT". The "whore".
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>>581309579
https://youtu.be/2QrbI2sfFSY?t=438
>The Child-Lover-Molester has discovered a new Child to Love Molest.
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>>581343896
oh they increased the wheel cost, used to be 980 and give 25 limited pulls iirc
now it's 1680 and gives 60 pulls
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>>581374275
Wish they crushed the Cost and pulled out the Pulls that no-one cares about.
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gOgier saved morimens..
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>>581367350
it was a lot more common for them to buff characters shortly after release but they stopped doing that after Xu
mostly because the recent have been overtuned I guess
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>>581385152
Better or worse to buff an undertuned Awakaner compared to nerfing an overtuned Awakener?
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>>581387819
literally everyone wants underperforming awakeners to be buffed (actually underperforming garbage units like Tulu , not so-called homeless units like Hameln)
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>>581387819
I'd honestly like to see clear mistakes get nerfed because there's no way forward with unfair mechanics unchecked.
Mainly talking about hp% dmg/corrosion, it really needs to get capped at some realistic value or every character needs to get hp% dmg in their kit somehow.
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>chinese are saying standard realms will all soon be reworked into divine
KEEEEEEK I REGRET SPENDING IN THIS TRANNYTRASH GAMEEEE
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>>581389365
What is divine?
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>>581389365
I used to seethe at divine realms but nowadays there are so many other more important things to seethe about in this game that I kind of don't care anymore.
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>>581389365
I'm probably dropping both CZN and Morimens after their Anniversaries. I'm beyond annoyed at these gachas.
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>>581389797
my friendlist looks like this. i don't find any joy in here either. light is truly killing the game with all these changes
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>>581357152
>never happened
>should have
>I'll do it again
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>>581343896
Patches used to be exciting when buffs for older characters existed.
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>>581389365
do i need to be chinese to schizopost my theories and have people believe them?
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>>581390351
There's always been filler patches tbf
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>>581389365
stop spreading nonsense btw, Light already promised this would never happen
and it can't realistically happen because some characters are reliant on old realms, like chaos 24
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>>581391239
>Light already promised
AAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
HEEEE PROMISED BROS HE PROMISED HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA THIS TIME HE WILL SURELY KEEP HIS WORD AAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA THE NOTORIOUS LIAR PROMISED AHHAHAHAHHAIIEEEWEEEEEEEEWEEHEHWHHWHWHWHEHHE
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>>581391239
he got it from flares video where he specifically said he doesn't believe it but saw some chink say it was his personal theory
we're working multiple layers of retardation deep here
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>>581391239
>Light already promised this would never happen
Oh, you sweet summer tranny...
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>>581390303
grim
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>>581389564
newer characters enable special realm mechanics which fundamentally change how a realm functions
some people like them other people don't
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>>581395056
The devs should add a tutorial for the new realms if they made basic realm tutorials.

Because NuChaos changes things.
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Should I roll for Xu OE or is E3 good enough
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>>581396495
neither is good enough you need AA for the increased stacks for more %hp damage
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>>581396890
This game kinda sucks.
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time to spend $100 bucks to AA a character to make it slightly easier to do dtide
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>>581397786
everyone is saying this
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>>581396495
E3 is good enough for nightmare
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They're gonna nerf % hp damage in the anniversary patch btw
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https://youtu.be/S8WFrv682V4
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>>581412709
thanks Flares
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>>581408137
it'll be an arc3 rule
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I want to become a girl so Gogier will penetrate me.
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>>581425053
sorry but he craves the chud spear
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>>581412709
I'm not watching unedited rambling video (I'm also not watching Fl*res), but that comment section about him being good for 24 is stupid.

Anyone who actually play the comp would know that the most important part of 24 comp is RM stacking from 24 posse, which ends up being hundreds of free Aliemus per posse activated each turn
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>>581429406
then why is being able to pick a female character an option?
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>>581433857
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>>581434408
What does this image mean.
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>>581437163
I'm not sure why anon is using it, but it's the smile of an NTR doujin heroine giving a smug smile to the dude she is cheating on. I don't think it's really relevant given the context here is the FemMC though.
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>>581433218
nah not true, the most important part is posse spam, the RM is nice but you don't really need it
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>>581437285
The only way this'd be any relevant to the conversation is if Ogier cheats on femmc with Ogier.

Though it's arguable that is masturbation.
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>>581412709
not watching your they/them sorry
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emergency czn mogging
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Ogier's numbers are incredibly low. I initially did the calculations making the assumption that most of the increases are additive, because they're worded the same, but then the numbers looked so unbelievably low that I thought that surely I must be wrong. So I redid the calcs assuming everything is multiplicative (except the sig SSR and sig SR wheels which are most certainly additive) and the numbers turned out to still be very low.

This is the most optimistic read of his kit I could make. I used his sig SR wheel instead of Land of Nonexistence (for the Crit Rate and to avoid deck bloat alongside the negative draw), and I didn't include any covenant set because I'm unsure between Twisted Twins White, Feast from Afar or entirely something else.

Keep in mind there can be rounding errors, but more importantly, these numbers could be 15-30% higher than what they are in reality if some of the effects turn out to be additive after all. Either case they are very low.
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>>581446567
Tuned for madness
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>>581446567
did you take into account the +10% stats from pChaos?
i think these numbers might be fine as a passive shielding/STR gen, since pChaos is so strong
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>>581446567
You really think they did not test and beat madness with him?
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>>581449605
They did, with two emergency gnosis per stage as intended
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>>581449461
I thought about including it but wasn't sure whether the showcased stats already included it so left it at what was shown.

>>581449605
I'm sure they did. With Saya on the team to apply 300k corrosion per 0 cost that you can cast multiple times a turn and maybe even Caraboo who shields twice as much as him while having a 0 cost STR down blessing that's equivalent to spending 5 arithmetica on his X cost alongside a 0 cost STR blessing that's equivalent to his overexalt alongside everything else she does.

Ogier is the definition of a do nothing character. If they told me he was free I'd believe it.
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If he's shit, I'll then have more pulls left after AA Xu, but BIVA hasn't released a brick in a long time (Doresian) so I'll just wait and see.
Maybe they'll bring back the old tradition of emergency buff mid patch.
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>>581450627
He's not getting an emergency buff, people will be blinded by pchaos so he'll perform decently on teams that are already good and would want pchaos but couldn't fit in GLotan and would rather have a support.

Even though calling him a support is an exaggeration because he provides no supportive stats, no sigil yield, no keyflare, no death res no aliemus for the team, no vuln/weak... just some "reasonable" shielding/str and a small amount of corrosion/str down. Having a "support" ascend with crit rate/dmg while a "dps" scales with sigil yield is a game design atrocity.

Here's his corrosion if anyone is interested. Don't be fooled by the amount at max stacks, you're never reaching it in normal gameplay for a variety of reasons. You can reach higher STR though but we'll see.
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People asking for Adult Tulu for Gtulu do not realise what they are getting into

The guy is already 8ft tall do you have any idea how tall that'd make him?
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I haven't logged in for two days. My account is bricked.
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>>581451514
>Having a "support" ascend with crit rate/dmg while a "dps" scales with sigil yield is a game design atrocity.
they do it on purpose to avoid WoDs being too versatile on other similar units
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>>581453502
You'll live. I haven't logged in about 2 weeks. Because PSO has been stealing all my time.
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>>581453882
Having a dps scale with supportive stats is peak stupidity in terms of game design.
If you have a dps that scales with pure offensive stats and a dps that scales with a support stat then you can't make them equal in damage output otherwise there would be no point in ever using the former.
If your aim is to have a relatively balanced game I guess, which doesn't seem to be the case for BIAV.
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>>581454226
as i said, the goal is obviously to limit their wheel/cov options
for example if gLotan scaled with crit dmg then celestial beast would be better than her signature wheel, if gOgier scaled with sigil yield he would overly benefit from the already OP WoDs there
not saying it wouldn't be fun if they were more liberal about design but it's very clear they are careful about it
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>>581455590
Yeah what you're saying makes perfect sense. I just don't like it. Feels especially wrong for Ogier to not at least have some support stat like death res or something.
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>>581454226
that shit does not matter, nobody is picking GLotan over Vortice for a stage because she has Sigil Yield, it's because her kit does different things. its like saying DPS shouldnt have different CON scores because you'd always pick the one with the most CON.
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>>581459213
people are picking Vortice because she does significantly more damage
if they were doing identical damage then people would be picking GLotan
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>>581453882
I mean probably sometimes, but in this case it lets you actually get some damage from his 2 cost

CR/CD is also a good support stat in aequor teams even though P chaos causes trouble for pontos and is a dealbreaker for bortice
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>>581459395
their kits do different things, people were picking GHelot into murphy because she removed shield, if sigil yield is your deciding factor and characters are that fungible otherwise the game is zero mechanics poo
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>>581459459
>it lets you actually get some damage from his 2 cost
If they wanted to give him a support stat they could've given him a conversion into crit rate/dmg like they've been doing with other characters. Or make the corrosion scale off of a support stat like Saya's.
They just didn't want him to be good and I have no idea why. If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd say they were doing it because he's male.
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>>581459573
True. But if your game is rock/paper/scissors garbage like the example you just gave with GHelot into shields then it's equally as shit. If they made every character hard counter a mechanic then nothing else will really matter and all you'll do is just put the square block into the square hole. Riveting gameplay.
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czn...
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>>581459763
I think the explanation is actually that his kit is just uninteresting. A Warden who blocks and gives str is the most generic possible unit you could design, BIAV has generally taken pains for there to be more nuance than that, even Kath has a mandatory fiamma bouncing minigame. I think they rushed the kit (28 days between characters is too fast, but they lose money every day without a new character) and now they're releasing a character that they dont want to be strong. The Defend part of his kit feels incomplete and he's just this exalt clicker now.
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>>581467446
He's also the first character in a while to not have any sort of retain/prepare stuff in his kit or any way to tutor/discount his important cards. I guess the double activation on strike stole the slot of a meaningful effect.

Also I'm not buying the "he was rushed" justification because Light said they'd finished him ahead of schedule. My guess is that no one on the team really liked or cared for Ogier so there was no one to push for improvements.
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logged in after one week of inactivity and I am pretty sure I triggered the returnee event
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help
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>>581475740
just uh...
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>>581476625
might just settle for nightmare...
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Holy dead
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>>581475740
You should just build for DR at this point. If your Dr is always above 100 per turn and the enemy only uses 1-hit attacks, can you really die? Yes. Because Status Effects are another source of Death.
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>>581475740
Emergency gnosis (or rewind DR abuse)
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>>581472406
No such thing. LARPer.
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>>581493481
There is though
The first time you get it you even see a cute little scene with the OG SR crew that welcomes you back (at least I saw it once when I logged in on my old alt that I didn't touch for a while), and then you get a returnee login event
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Okay listen up, here's the plan: GOgier/Pickman/Doresain. Leigh/Salvador in the last slot if you want to live beyond the first fight on Nightmare. Here's why I think this team can work:

Pickman can buff GOgier's exalt final shield by 30-60% and his own exalt can discover+retain GOgier's Spear for on-demand corrosion. Also provides weakness/vulnerability (though RNG) and embryo generation for the team. Additionally, he benefits from pChaos because it's a discover effect which discounts his Chromaphages (and you can even discover into another discover). Finally, he usually struggles with hand space so Undertow's -draw might not hurt as much.

Doresain buffs the team's STR generation by 15%, generates STR himself, provides an extra source of vuln, triggers GOgier's corrosion and helps with sustain through healing. His portrait is also really strong for the team.

Unfortunately you can't slot in Thais so your aliemus economy will suffer and you won't have scion embryos for Leigh, though she will still be very potent for the team, especially with AA. An alternative option is Salvador who can provide an extra source of weakness, a small amount of strength per turn on rouse (alongside a barrier for a single big hit) and a Crit Rate buff for Ogier's Spear and Doresain.

Will this work on Madness? Probably not. There's no source of HP% dmg and your long term sustain is questionable. Should work on Nightmare though and it should be fairly fun because there's genuine synergy between the characters.

Thanks for reading!
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>>581495009
...
I wish I hadn't bought the fucking Moonlight Bullshit. I'd be punished for not logging in to see the exclusive story event.
Is the returnee login event anything to talk about?
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>>581493481
Ramona said welcome back and Lotan gave me something with a lot of calories. I don't know if it is some kind of ongoing event or the returnee thing.
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>>581495009
>>581496097
Was this added recently? I know I stopped playing for a while a couple of months ago, and saw none of this when I cam back.
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WHEN ARE THEY MAKING ALL THE ARC 2 SR WHEELS AVAILABLE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>3 gnoses used for 450
this is fine. i am a good player.
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>>581496312
I saw it a while back, sometime around last year's anni in November. I'm not exactly sure what sort of conditions you need to fulfill to see it though
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>>581497020
It is fine actually. Two of those were probably you trying to cheese w1 Madness with Lotan. The other one is probably w2 Nightmare right after Castor's second phase starts.
How close was I?
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>>581495235
yeah it should work for nightmare, but probably low damage unless high investment
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>>581497549
one w1 Lotan madness. Another was w3 nightmare with lemurians (this was day1 and I wanted to burn a gnosis before reset). The other was w4 nightmare with Xu because I didnt want to use GDoll (dumb) and my Nymphea isnt full build yet. w2 nightmare was fun, pontos got to turboscale.
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>>581498760
oh yeah I guess you can hold Pontos's exalt and get it to like -700 STR for Castor's triple hit
I burned my Pontos team on w3 unfortunately so not really an option for me anymore but I can see the vision
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>>581499398
Corposant can scale a lot when castor leaves you alone for all of phase1

Also hamelnlol poison
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Why did they make this wheel so outrageous
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>>581497712
>low damage
Maybe, but keep in mind this is the first time the team has had access to corrosion without being forced into propagation caro which seriously messes with Pickman. Guess I'll report back on Monday after trying it out in practice.
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>>581506643
only problem is corrosion yoinking doresain kills
personally im gonna try to bruteforce kath with him and see how it fares
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>>581511130
I don't think it will be problem because GOgier's corrosion is much lower than Saya/Caraboo's at least in mob fights where you don't have the time to build much strength (or the two different types of stacks he needs for that matter).
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morinight
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>every clem nightmare clear is either +12 Clem or supporting a +12 Kath
what exactly happened to this character
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>>581515826
those were always her main teams thoughbeit
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holydead
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zzzzzxxxxxxzzzzzz
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Anons, I think I'm retarded.
How do I use Ramona: Timeworn effectively?
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>>581536642
use Ramona instead because she is better for the 24 team than Ramona: Timeworn
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>>581536642
play the cards you want to copy with her exalt last
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>>581515826
>Kath needs clem so people play Clem with Kath.
> Kath couldn't function in Madness without AA. So everyone who use her have AA.
> Whale with Kath AA are likely to have Clem AA too
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damnit gotta roll daphy's wheel for trap mouchette on top of e3 betty boop and I already e3d kathbrick and then I must roll for xussy
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probably want boop's wheel too
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>took a break from like 3 gachas over the last 2 months to detox
>came back to see another Flare-Light shitshow
Y'all not getting bored?
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>>581540281
Just use filter
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>>581536642
I tend to not exalt her unless I can OE. Normal Ramona is an exalt bot, Gramona is an OE bot.
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zzzcznzzzmogszzz
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kek dead fucking game
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Everyone's busy playing Traphase
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>>581537364
wrong
>>581536642
she's one of the hardest units to use desu
depends on the team but right now she's being used the most with 24, on that team her main use is to change the posse into whatever you need for the turn
and if you play her with gdoll, you bring her 3 cost back, which you definitely didn't forget to play last on the previous turn
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the schizo is still doing his shift here instead of playing his aislop dogeza kusoge HAHAHAHAH
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>>581496518
I'm just happy I'll finally be able to get lone feather which I've wanted for a really long time for my Castor
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Gogier Radio Drama...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9ehJJ9-R1U
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>>581560890
Yay another radio drama nobody listens to.
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>>581560890
First radio drama I read
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>>581560890
i rake
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Witch after GOgier.

[Advance Order Archives: Witch's Nocturnal Operation]

● From October 5, 9:00 to November 16, 9:00, the Advance Order Archives "Witch's Nocturnal Operation" will be open for a limited time!
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I will never forgot my yandere Loli Shoggoth inspired Wife.
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>>581565136
ultra witch? holy fuck
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>>581565136
what the fuck is a witch?
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>>581570082
Fiction
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>>581565136
>people are speculating that this is Ogier's princess
uh...
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>>581570871
To be fair there was implications something was up with her when you know what burst out of her room. wait i forgot..
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>>581565136
>>581570871
Why would people think that when it's probably for a rerun of the Halloween Murphy skin?
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>>581570416
??
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>>581575331
Or it could be new halloween skins

princess being a witch would go hard tho
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>>581565136
GDaffodil?!
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if i borrow for w3 i cant w5 and viceversa...
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>>581587058
just do w5 hard and try cheesing w1 madness with OE Lotan and a borrowed GLotan or Saya
w2,3,4 are not too difficult to do with an emergency gnosis
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just realized they locked GOgier's corrosion behind his rouse so Tawil wouldn't be able to discover it
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>>581560890
>>581561386
These radio dramas are actually pretty good in terms of audio-mixing and direction. Shame they're all spoken in a dead language no sane person would understand. It lessens the impact a LOT when you have to read the subtitles and try to mentally connect it to what you're hearing.
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>>581565136
>>581570871
probably a skin no?
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>>581597524
unlikely, it has the same rewards as the normal character pre-order.

i guess none of us really want it to be daffodil?
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>>581597930
daff is my favorite character but i want her base form to do well, idk how i'd feel about a genesis version
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>>581598107
How about an actual Genesis version so you can't have double Lotan?
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>>581598360
you mean like ramona or? idgi
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>>581598590
Yeah. I wasn't there in the early days. Why does Ramona and Ramona alone have her slot shared with herself? Did the devs have a better idea of how they wanted G'wakaners to work?
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>>581599130
ramona is a special case since she's the main character or at least main companion, so i guess the idea was to give her "for free"
i doubt they'll do that ever again tho
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>>581594530
>Japanese
>dead language
Oh you poor little EOP thing...
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>TFW YWN be pegged hard by Gtulu's girthy tentacles until he crushes all your jizz out of your body through your ass
Why live bros?
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>Choosing Tulu's tentacles over Ogier's Formless Spawn for choice of dildo
Nice way of showing off your bitch-basic taste.
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>>581590575
Tawil. The cuckquean.
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>>581608247



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