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>What is WoW: Forever?
Blizzard's new version of World of Warcraft, based on vanilla WoW. Set in the same Azeroth but expanded upon with new zones, dungeons, raids, quests and much more.

>New Race: Skyborne
Skyborne are available for Horde and Alliance but are not the same Skyborne. There was a cultural shift prior and now different Skyborne are aligned with the different factions. Horde Skyborne get Shaman, Alliance get Mages

>Many new race/class combos including Undead Paladin and Dwarf Shaman

>More than 1k quests added making a 25% increase in quest content alone

>Talent Calculator
https://forevertalents.up.railway.app

>Beta guilds
PvP:
<Make Nagas Slaves Again>
RP:
[none yet]
PvE:
[none yet]

>When is it being released?
Release date November 4th

>Beta?
Released September 17th, we can go to level 20 currently.
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retail minus
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I will plap sky elf women in the fog
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God I fucking love sex elves.
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Why is there fog in caverns?
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mop bros...
tbc bros...
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i'm enjoying it
no, i don't play retail
no, i don't play classic either
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Did you remember to say "thank you"?
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>full deeprun tram
kino
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i'm enjoying it
no, i don't play retail
no, i don't play classic either
yes, i only play cod and gta and nba2k
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what are the odds I can run this shit higher than 23fps on a 1050ti with i7 7700, 32gb ram on an M.2
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How is melee hunter?
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>>581417080
God I love fucking sex elves
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retard here:
So am i mistaken or is the combat way snappier than classics?

Also i cant be asked to go beyond starter zones and capital, any discovery so far that is worth talking about?
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>>581417125
than... thank... th-uck you chris metzah!
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>>581417125
>think bigger
>so we segment them off to their own zones not connected to anything

metzen is a fucking hack and this just proves it
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>Classic guild isn't coming back for Forever
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a still image does not do the sun's reflection dancing with the waves justice
azeroth is beautiful
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>been playing Undead for like 5 hours now
>havent even noticed Touch of the Grave proc'ing once

Yeah man totally OP racial
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>>581417125
Thank you Chris Metzen for ensuring that High Elves will have sick content instead of just being pointy-eared humans.
It has already been confirmed that High Elves are coming in the future and that their plans for Quel'thalas in terms of story were simply too ambitious for launch.
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>>581417087
Caves are humid as fuck, anon.
>>581417125
If this means they'll be doing High Elves justice in the future by including them and Quel'Thalas in a major update, then you'd better fucking believe I'll be thankful.
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<Anime Mafia>
We are one of the oldest /vg/ guilds around with great players from various expansions and backgrounds, we are so far the only official /wowfg/ guild
We are planning on rolling Horde on NA PVP
All specs are welcome to join our roster, socials as well
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we thought we did, but we didn't ;_;
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invite to wowgf guild
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>>581417125
damage control, they know they fucked up big time by not giving us high elves, but saddling us with this faggot tranny retail subversion
good, i hope it ends up costing them money
fuck this tranny faggot company
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>>581417017
Never, anyone playing Retail Minus is a retoilet by definition
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Why am I getting this popup like 3 minutes into the game
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It's easier to make money on PvE, and things are cheaper.

Playing PvP must be the result of some sort of mental deficiency.
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>>581417260
Whats your discord server?
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>>581417295
Why does she have spiders in her vagina?
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I haven't decided what class my tauren will be, I like big meaty 2h swings so I'm leaning warrior or shaman. How are they looking now?
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How does the whole faction throttling work? Do you have to wait for enough people to make characters on the opposite faction or is it just a timed block to hopefully get some people into rolling the other faction?
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taking it comfy and slow :3 EU alliance pvp anons say hello!!
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>Beta Guilds
To join, type /who g-"Guild Name" to see who's online, whisper anyone for an invite, or ask in thread.
<wowfg> - PvP, Horde, NA/EU
<Make Nagas Slaves Again> - PvP, Alliance, NA/EU
<Little Space> - PvP, Alliance, NA, https://discord.gg/ZQ2uWkkqbc
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>>581417295
good looking sexy sky boy
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>>581417395
whats crazy is that I look like that
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>>581417229
my guild wants to go pve...
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Gonna be honest.

SoD was more magical.
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@shifty
where you playing?
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How do I get rid of the fog? Why do developers always think that excess fogs equals muh immersion
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>>581417231
>dawn breaks through the darkest night
I can't wait to see this stuff on my own screen instead of a stream in shit quality
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>>581417506
Same
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>>581417456
White guys own this
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tier is crafted I guess?
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>>581417489
Hopefully there'll be an NA PVE guild for this general. I'm not falling for the PVP meme again, WoW PVP fucking SUCKS!
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>>581417295
t. 40 year old failed male (bald)
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tried out priest
felt like priest
new UI sucks, graphics and animations feel way off
combat feels different, not sure fully why yet

gonna try out some of the other classes tomorrow.
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is anyone from anime mafia online? can i get an invite?
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Gotta admit, this looks cool.
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>>581417207
Its retail-

You've been told this already.
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>>581417673
Little Space is going PvE for release, just doing pvp for beta
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Does anyone know if it's possible to 1-click cast ground targeted AoE like blizzard with @target macros?
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>>581417103
>>581417164
these are shills from the sub continent known as india
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>>581417707
its a troll, its not a real guild that exists
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>>581417395
Post her butthole
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>Been hyped and talking about this game in these generals for like 3 days now
>Bought the beta, waited through hours of queues
>Game completely unplayable
>Thought it was my PC
>Nope, turns out it's solely the fault of the servers being hosted in America only
>Just got a refund

This is the worst experience I've had with a video game in years.
Who the fuck thought it would be a good and acceptable idea to have only American servers?
For what purpose? How the fuck does a billion dollar company make such a bafflingly stupid decision?
I'm not even happy that I got a refund, I would have rather been playing right now. Instead I'm just going to have to wait for the game to come out for real.
This is truly ass. It's so fucking ass.
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>>581417668
there's also this thing
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>>581417771
NOOO IT DOESNT LOOK LIKE SHIT THIS MEANS ITS NOT NILLER NOOO-ACK!
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I WANNA PLAY THE BETA
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>>581417668
That's a crafting tier set, not raid tier
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why are retoilets and redditors fellating this guy?
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>>581417702
>>581417207
thats it, snappier, the combat feels way too fast. not sure i like it.
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>>581417865
for what? 6 weks real game comes out anyway
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>>581417834
The testing realms are always American only retard, do you need 10ms of ping to do level 20 content in a betA?
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>>581417771
ashenvale... home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhhvWeXHjP0
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>>581417834
>>Nope, turns out it's solely the fault of the servers being hosted in America only
lol is this true? no shot it is, right?
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>>581417815
it's not possible
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>>581417824
i've never eaten feces in my life, nor am i brown
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>>581417771
oh yeah thanks for the reminder, I need to log in when the server is at night
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>>581417668
Is it supposed to have no stats?
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>sod was good
we can tell it wasn't based on how fucking fast it died the second they said no more new content.
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>>581411735
>When the fuck do I unlock shapeshifting as druid?
>>581415719
>RESPOND
>>581411735
When the fuck do I unlock shapeshifting as druid?
>>581415719
RESPOND
>>581411735
>When the fuck do I unlock shapeshifting as druid?
>>581415719
>RESPOND
>>581411735
When the fuck do I unlock shapeshifting as druid?
>>581415719
RESPOND
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>>581417668
Looks like it's both craftable and exchanged for tier tokens.
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>>581417332
Something new so hardcore babbies can go hide somewhere safe and not loaded into a group of mobs.
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can you changee your region/language retroactivly? or is that not in the beta yet?
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>>581417160
is Nessie there?
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>first and last names added
let me guess, everyone has some meme shit?
>>581418087
usually its level 10 when you get bear form
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>>581418036
the stats might be obfuscated until it's actually crafted by someone like blizz said they would do with drops
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did anyone take Sonic Hedgehog yet? i would check but im betaless
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>>581417831
https://files.catbox.moe/agomnd.png
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You all fell for it again
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I fell like I'm about to get vaporized by C'Thun
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Did they like way decrease the amount of players per shard or something? Before restart I was with like dozens on dozens, and now Mulgore just feels normal. See a few people here and there, but nothing crowded.
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>>581418017
fuck
I thought that function was basically required for controller support
I just want to stop throwing dynamite at the ceiling...
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>>581417834
It's a beta you fool of course they won't have regional servers. Guessing yoire an ausfag in which case why would you want to play on oceanic servers full of retards anyway.
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this is so cosy but hard to adjust to, feels like way too much hand holding and yellow paint guiding the way
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>Paying for beta
Even though I have the money it just seems like such a guilty purchase. Is playing a suboptimal version of the game fun beyond seeing what's new for the first week? I imagine this beta would have more longevity because of how different it is from retail and classic but maybe that's just the pay pig in me coping
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>>581418178
post her cock
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>>581418178
Thanks....
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>>581418087
Level 10. :)
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>>581418217
Everyone quit once they realized it was retail with classic features
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>>581418248
its retail lite
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>>581417987
>do you need 10ms of ping to do level 20 content in a betA?
I had over 4500 world latency, retard. Nothing was working. It wasn't 'playing with a little bit of lag' the game was straight up broken and unplayable. Other players where stuck running in place for 20 minutes on my screen, I couldn't attack a single monster, I couldn't loot, I couldn't mine ore or pick herbs, couldn't accept quests. I'd be disconnecting constantly.
It is broken.
Check the forum, it's full of other EU players who can corroborate this.
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thank god its classic+ not just vanilla era again i already did that twice now
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>>581418304
I genuinely wonder if y'all are actually retarded or just people who are mad you couldn't get/afford a beta code. This shit feels like classic.
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Absolutely nothing is going to change from beta to live.
There will be zero communication.
Welcome to the midnight experience.
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>>581418137
>>581418295
>level 10
ok thanks...druid feels weak as FUCK. Currently level 8 and pulling more than one mob is a death sentence.
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what.
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>>581418334
>4500 ms
why are you trying to play WoW instead of helping your tribe hunt down leopards
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Poor dude is likely going to get banned, and the beta just started
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>Forever doesn't operate on 200ms ticks like true vanilla

This is just retail
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>>581418454
Yep, that's soul
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>>581417668
>specialize in shoulders to purchase this recipe
Are you going to need 5 players specialized into each slot to actually get the whole set?
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>>581418463
the fuck
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>>581418376
im playing right now and it feels and plays like retail. i just pulled 3 mobs and killed them. that would be a death sentence after 5 level in classic
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Do you automatically get beta access if you bought the most expensive bundle that gave you the WC3 campaign? I've been playing other games today so I didn't dnl the 60gb beta
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OMW TO HYJAL
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>>581418505
Banned for recreating him 1:1? Seems kinda rude
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>>581418596
Yep. Second tier and above give you access.
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WoW: Forever is just an official Classic+ clown server
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>>581418583
I'm playing right now and no it doesn't. Level 9 and 2 mobs would definitely be a death sentence, and pulling a mob even 1 level higher than me usually leaves me bellow half.
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Thank god theres still SD models and Animations undead paladin with classic animations is peak
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>>581418658
Ok because I've been playing the new WC3 campaign instead
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>>581417125
I remember when we were all so excited to have Metzen back. That he'd finally fix Worlo...
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>>581418786
chris metzen mains a human male ret paladin and I am not kidding
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>>581417785
Good to know, I'll try to join during release
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been sat at a campfire for 3 mins now how long till i get buffs?
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brehs this is SOVL forever won blizzard is back
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never played WoW because $15 monthly was a lot in 2004 when I was a kid, probably not going to play wow forever because I want to play aion 2 but if I were to play I'd play a shaman in horde, the wow classes are so limited and boring, shaman and druid are the most appealing ones
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>Doomsissies are still forcing the narrative here about Sky Elves (High elves)
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i clicked the nugraphics options just to see it (i hate it). how do I go back to classic graphics and UI?
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>>581417248
The two aren't mutually exclusive. There could have been a whole plotline about the diaspora of High Elves who were cut off from their homeland while deployed in the Southern Kingdoms during WC3 versus the Blood Elves-in-exile using Tirisfal as a staging ground to return to Quel'thalas, and you'd be paying $30 to play those races early before the plot enabled the real starting zones.
It would have generated so much more interest and hype than Microsoft Windows Aero Elves.
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>>581418872
>numodels
>sovl
still kinda comfy otherwise
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>>581417125
When he said bigger did they unironically think he meant "physically higher"?
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>>581418730
I just soloed an elite by myself
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>>581417125
>instead of something that makes sense in lore
>Metzen says 'try harder :)'
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>Roll sky elf
>/silly

>"we've always been here you just never bothered to look up!"
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Sky Elf druids!
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>>581418872
join <wowfg> bro we're finna do Ruins of Lordaeron
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I think the SD Gnomes may look better than the HD Gnomes.

I'll reply to this post with the HD version.
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I don't know exactly what I was expecting. I just hoped the leveling zones would be changed up a little so it doesn't feel exactly like Classic. Am I the only one thinking this?
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When are they adding the cute taurens
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>>581418984
please post the flirts...
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>>581417125
I am the second IP responding to this samefagged doombait
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>>581419012
Soon
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>>581417125
Surprised he didnt introduce some sylvanas clone 'dark ranger' shit
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Forever won
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>>581418127
anyone?
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>>581418583
Post a screenshot of what you are doing in-game right now
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>>581419009
It's retail bro.
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Bros... I can't believe they did changes

#NoChanges

#JusticeforTurtle
#FuckBLizz!!
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>>581419006
True for males, untrue for females.
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>>581418931
Everyone will stop bitching when High Elves release next year.
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should i buy the beta?!
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>>581418992
ngl i like the owlbear/owlcat look. It's not as nice as troll druid forms but nothing is.
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>>581419083
*reports*
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>>581419123
I'm going to change you into a living onahole
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>>581418945
I just fucked your dad. Prove I didn't.
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>>581419147
level 20 level cap + 30 in 2 weeks + everything gets deleted in November
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>>581419006
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>it's just vanilla!
>it's just retail!

>they changed too much!
>they didnt change enough!
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SHEEEEEEEEEIT, dey be adding me next patch ong, just you wait cracKKKas
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>>581419151
I like their Druid forms a lot. Enough to make me consider leveling a Druid to play Feral.
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>>581419069
she should untuck her dick
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>>581419201
la creatura...
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We need to have a serious discussion about mob tagging and layering
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>>581419006
>>581419201
yeah, that looks a lot worse. WTF, this is the retail models retoilets slobber over?!
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Who do I message to get into <wowfg>
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>>581419207
why are wow players so obsessed with this black woman?
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lmao
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>>581419320
>mob tagging
warlocks won SO HARD
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pulled 3 mobs at level 10
never oom
all of them do massively reduced damage
mobs all have reduced agro radius so you have to try to get agro
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how are the new dungeons? the ironforge and uc ones
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>fps randomly drops to 20
?
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>>581419207
who is this poc cum goddess?
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>>581419207
hi Faerin Lothar, can wait to see you as the new leader of the Blood Black Fent Fire Alarm Half-Elves :) Christ Metzen will really fix the lore this time for a simple donation of $30
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is ret paladin still the easist/slowest class?
I unironically need the most retarded/slowest one
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>>581419340
type /who g-"wowfg" to see who's online and whisp anyone
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Did he get rid of his character portrait?
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>>581419280
but she is a female(corpse) anon...
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If you don't post a screenshot of you in-game while posting about the game you are a poor pajeet who doesn't actually have access to the beta
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>>581416980
now i get why they limited aoe to 4 targets, it was a band-aid on walking aoe death machine retail combat, wow forever is retail combat 100% but they are attempting to patch it so its hard to see at first glance.
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>>581419161
snowflake
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>>581419516
all females have dicks, it is known
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Wait is there only 1 server for na and eu?
lmao
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>>581419361
Did he get rid of his character portrait?
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>there is a non zero chance you find your autistic wife in this game
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>>581419591
what bridge have you been living under?
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>>581419460
Think slowest is priest
>wand
>wand
>wand
>wand
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mashallah I will get home friday night and have beta access, ishnu daldieb
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>>581419610
i dont want a wife i want to play video games
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May I see cute tauren hd girls?
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>>581419609
he turned off the ui for a moment
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>>581419532
>doxx yourself so we can ban you
>haha blizzard can do no wrong FOREVER IS THE BEST tm
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>>581419516
you're trying to converse with someone who only replied to your video, because seeing an attractive female form makes them write in excruciating pain, turn back now before it's too late
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>Terrible performance
>Lies about SD models
>Retail minus, unironically.
>Zero fun gameplay
Who the fuck is this actually for
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>>581419635
non cause i have a job so i dont need to
So how does that work for EU keks than, can they even separate by language into their own shard ?
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>>581419047
>doombait
It's an excerpt from direct Blizzard communication. When did this website turn into a toxic positivity Reddit colony?
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>>581419610
Wait, is Jontron Oriental Orthodox? I thought he was a non-practicing Muslim.
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>>581419729
>zero fun gameplay
it's literally vanilla again
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>>581419069
Look I'll fap to it but sylvanas is canonically not even remotely thicc.
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>>581419716
you should untuck your dick too pissy sissy
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>>581419729
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>>581419684
>dlss5 on
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>>581419729
haven't you ever heard of reboots?
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>>581417160
>milk tanks
buaetiful women i marry and lick bob sned discord bb for me only
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>>581419771
His wife saved him. So now he's either Orthodox or eastern catholic
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they better have good QA, level 8 and already reported like 10 bugs.
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>>581419636
Thanks for the answer but i also mean end game and healing is more fast and shadow is not that slow from memory, no?
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>>581419712
>character name is doxx
>somehow a random on 4chan is going to ban you from something
You can just black out your character name if you are so afraid of it, but you won't do it because you don't actually have beta access
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>shill ray tracing and your new lighting
>dont even let people try it in beta
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>>581419207
Is this a character in WoW? I know he's in HS and I have him unlocked as a skin but there's a lot of HS characters that aren't in WoW.
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I posted all the pics I took from my journey to CoT and Hyjal here, though it's mostly hyjal:
https://imgur.com/a/ftvDiOc
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im starting to fall in love a bit with sky elves already
they are just too cute to hate...
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>>581419774
Vanilla but better since most classes will be at at least a little bit more engaging to play.
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>>581419729
what did they lie about?
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>>581417645
this image is manlet suifuel
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>>581419836
What kind of bugs did you encounter?
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>>581419886
you can be a blizzard employee for all I know with all the shilling youre doing
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>>581419932
CoT is open?
is it just the dungeon hub like in retail?
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>>581419807
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>>581419918
>>581419918
>>581419918
>>581419918
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they should have spent all these resources on a wow monster hunter ripoff where you can play as the actual heroes of warcraft.
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>>581420013
>the fps bug (fixes after relog)
>campfire doesnt give buffs (fixes after relog)
>1 escort quest not awarding exp
>campfire buff that gives crit chance doesnt apply to character panel stats
thats all i remember cause theyre the most recent ones
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>>581420024
no, it was sealed unfortunately, it's just a couple of pics I took of random stuff on the way there (drone flying above gadgetzan and an elite I've never seen before, as well as the salt flats with increased draw distance). I just wanted to check in case there was anything new at the entrance.
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>>581419797
>you should untuck your dick too pissy sissy
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>>581420051
why is blizzard so retarded
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i boughted
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>>581420017
So a blizzard employee is going to ban you for posting about the game? Just block off your name or even whole character if you are so afraid
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>>581420051
what can a bot do with a key? just sounds like sour grapes.
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Holy shit this fucker in the cave in durotar will not fucking spawn
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>>581419069
Now I see why all the windrunner sisters went for human men.

twigpilled elf women would not understand
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>installing retail client just so forever download is smaller when it releases
>131gb download
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>>581420141
i didn't know you never had one hijrajeesha, me so sorry, it wasn't an attack on you. it's just that my father taught me to never be shy about my dicks, especially when it's that good of a size
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>try WoW Forever fishing
>nothing changed, its still the same shitty WoW right click fishing with no depth or nuance
Kill yourself Aggrend
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>>581420170
>some thirdie sets up his botfarm to scrape all the twitch channels doing giveaways
>resells keys to people for whatever shitty currency their country has
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>>581419610
>>581419828
it's a greek orthodox church but the stuff I see is that he's an atheist and just attended a friend's wedding
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That's what I get for having to sleep 8 hours. Fuck. At least its just beta.
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>>581420390
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There is a talking crow in Hyjal that makes fun of us for not having flying mounts
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>>581420315
>20 years of expansions
I mean yeah, retail a shit, but that's hardly surprising.
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>Alliance
>crippled sheboons
>the king getting kidnapped because Shaw was too busy getting his bussy slammed by dollar store Jack Sparrow
>Horde
>Thrall telling us to be better men
>literal pride parade in the darkspear isles
Explain your faction choice NOW.
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>>581419610
why would I want an obese wife?
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>>581420390
toontown fishing is much better
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>even Asmon got a 7.5/10 asian gf
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>>581419069
She DOES look like she fucks human men.
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I don't think Forever is going to last very long
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rate my nelf
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>>581420390
If it ain't broke don't fix it
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>>581420504
>>even Asmon got a gold digger
Is that supposed to be impressive?
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>>581420418
is it alliance?
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>>581420519
I'm gonna need more than that to jerk off to
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>>581420519
>Miwanasaki
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>there was no language selection at start
wait are we playing with...brazillians????
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>>581420570
Horde. I wanted to make my shaman and chill in TB but it looks like thats a dream at least for beta now.
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>>581420519
is that name a fuckin joke dude? if it is its not funny
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So how are Paladins in WoW Forever, are they looking unfucked from vanilla if they want to do anything but heal?
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>>581420453
Flying mounts inc...
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>>581420453
makes sense it's painful to get there now
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>>581420504
>worth 100m+
>soul sold to Nightmedia
>his only reward is a generic asian streamer with 10 tonnes of makeup and possible plastic surgery
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>>581420680
no one is above lvl 10 bro
but if they actually balance the classes, hybrid like paladin and druid usually ends up great to play
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>>581420453
>bird calling us bird slurs
kek
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>>581420463
In-game dialogue actually suggest that Debra is likely to join the Horde because she feels like blood knights feel when using the Light, despite being attracted to Anduin and looking for an interracial marriage.
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>>581420650
Beta/PTR servers put everyone on the same American testing realm, that's how it's always been for those.
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>>581420680
put on the dress, sissy
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>>581417170
Not great
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>>581420315
The actually crazy thing is Forever wants 120, at least according to the sys reqs
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>>581420453
based? fuck flyers
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>>581420654
Tbh you can just go PvE for now, you're probably not likely to meet anyone from the opposite faction anyway since we're capped to level 20.
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>>581420453
tranny dev was so pissed about not being able to get flying into forever from the start it made a passive aggressive npc, this i s the sort of mental illness and obstinance we're up against, they probably encouraged it to make it to vent their axe wounded fed frustration as a therapy activity
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>>581420741
>possible plastic surgery
I don't think there is a single attractive asian girl who doesn't have plastic in her face
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>>581418454
It's you, not the class
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>>581420463
did you post this in the wrong thread?
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>>581420832
LMAO
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>>581420781
Ty, a bummer tho the chanche you play wit people from your time zone decreases incredible for later group up for the real game
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>sky elf buff is permanent with a consume
fvaaaark im buying the pack right now
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You ARE playing with controller on your 70 inch flat screen, aren't you?
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>>581420741
For asmongold, dating an ABG is a status symbol. For her, dating a rich american streamer is also a status symbol. Seems like a win-win relationship.
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>>581420741
>possible plastic surgery
>possible
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>>581420809
It's probably carrying most of the retail baggage with it even if it's not being used
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>>581420660
It actually is you daft dickless tranny cunt
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Horde btw
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if raiding is going to be as easy as this beta is, we are just going to be pugging patchwerk fights
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where addons for beta?
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You know that warlock ability paranoia that increases stealth detection?

I feel like 4chins has a similar paranoia ability that increases retail tranny detection
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>>581420870
No. Pretending that forever won't be tainted by retail is high grade copium.
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>>581419069
more like this please
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>>581420519
I don't get it.
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>>581420978
change it. now.
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>>581419138
What about this shitshow makes you think any eventual High Elf implementation won't suck, and/or won't be preceded by a dozen other retarded changes that make it a moot point?
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/console volumeFog 0
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>>581420979
plz.. come to the guild..
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I hope raiding isn't dependent upon having a billion consumables and spending a bunch of money per week on them just to manage.
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>trying to cast wrath on a grasshopper
>it chain interrupts me causing the cast to last like 6 full seconds
I'm feeling the weight.
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>>581420984
They know if they make the fights slightly challenging then the playerbase drops off a cliff with the Classic gamers and streamers especially, if they can't pug viewer raids then its over.
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>open game
>SCREEN NARRATOR
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If anyone dings 60 faster than the 2019 classic world first this will be considered retail sloppa
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whys this game being astroturfed so aggressively
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>>581421136
They made raiding and consuming in SoD retarded easy compared to Classic so I'm expecting it to be the same in Forever.
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the only thing i want out of this beta is an autistic warrior anon to write a guide on how to level efficiently with one.
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>>581420398
if they're public someone will use them right away on an account. also there's barely any being sold on ebay. probably all of them are people trying to recoup some of the cost of their purchase because they don't care about the beta.
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>>581420523
you will find out at level 30 when you go to STV
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>>581421095
You complain because you're not getting high elves.
Then you find out you're getting high elves.
Now you are complaining because you've made up in your head that the high elves will be bad.

I'm starting to think you just want to complain.
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>>581420453
I really hate meta humor jokes like this in WoW. This is exactly the kind of shit we want to escape by going back to vanilla.
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>>581421183
It was speaking Japanese accented English for me for some reason lmfao
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>>581420061
rare reminder that there are some retards who have ideas that even blizzard isn't dumb enough to try
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>>581421136
consumes will be cheap since theres tarnished undermine reals that you can use to buy crates containing high lvl mats
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>>581418015
Betas are always in America
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>>581420453
>talking crow

you know thats Medivh, right? you bought the $80 boosty beta but never played wc3?
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Say my name.
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wtf is this
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>>581421294
>I really hate meta jokes
Sup Norm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dq0DEjA5eoI
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why do have not my additonal 4 bag slotsi n the beta..
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Has anyone gone to the barber yet to see if you can toggle your gender?
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>>581421384
medivh is dead at the end of tft
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>>581421392
FAERIN LOTHAR, QUEEN OF THE ALLIANCE
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>go to the center of goldshire
>put down a fire
>suddenly everyone around me stops and sits down
>people start putting up their buff items and socializing

ABSOLUTE QUINOA
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>no RP ruleset
:(
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>>581420571
can't post more than this, some OC donut steal I commissioned ages ago
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>>581421470
>chat filter on
Gay
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>>581421384
Medivh or not it's still making a dumb 4th wall breaking joke clearly shoved into the game by a disgruntled retail dev.
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>>581421392
tyler1's daughter
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>>581421407
mages can decipher scrolls to get spells and buffs like in sod
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>>581421392
DEBRA+!
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>>581421507
nothing in that dialogue breaks the 4th wall
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not a single nigger added to classic yet

we are back
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>>581421392
Georgina Floyd
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How do I unlock the max camera distance?
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>>581421392
This is the wokest nigger shit in gaming. This is like 2,000 times more woke than Concord was.
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>>581421392
is this real or a parody? i can't tell anymore
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https://www.wowhead.com/forever/legacy-calculator

Post your broken legacy builds
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do you retards ever talk about anything besides blacks and gays
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>>581421528
>>581421407
Wait so they actually allow us to craft those random scrolls we found? is it a class thing or like an enchanting profession thing?
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when are they adding Azeroth's power couple to forever
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has anyone here got an actual email after opting in the beta? this shit is pissing me off
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the retail frames are so ugly it’s insane
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>>581421265
what does this mean, i just want to avoid spending a shitload of time on a character only to have it be trapped in a dogshit server :(
Might just stick to hc honestly
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whats up with the ugly black dude that keeps getting posted?
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>>581421783
STV is an infamous ganking hotspot
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>>581421783
just roll pve
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>>581421701
it's mage only
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>>581421761
I dont bandy this term often but the retail frames are actually soulless
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Classic WoW Shred Tooltip
Shred (Rank 5): Shred the target, causing 225% damage.

Forever WoW Shred Tooltip
Shred (Rank 5): Shred the target, causing 155% damage.

...

checked other classes, warrior damage tooltips went largely unchanged, same for rogue.
did they actually just fucking kill cat druid?
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CAN ONE OF YOU JUST PRETEND TO BE A GIRL AND LEVEL WITH ME ALREADY
FUCKING CHRIST
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>>581421783
There is no server here. The entire game is on one mega server that shows you people who are near you locally and speak your language. And so if you add a friend they automatically show in your world.

STV is a joke because its a pvp slug fest
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>have to come up with 2 names for a character now instead of just 1
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>>581421891
>>581421831
>>581421840
I see, thanks anons. I expected gankfuckery if I rolled PvP so I'll probably stick with it to give it a shot, but if it turns into a shitshow then ig it's not the end of the world to start over.
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>Orc
>Named: Bix Nood
>Warrior
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it takes like 10 fucking hours to get out of the sky elf starting zone....
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>>581421841
Can they auction house it? Cause I'd love that
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>>581421934
chim richalds now go forth and make us all proud
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>>581419729
Me
I'm having fun on my Sky Elf so far
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>>581416980
In Shadowlands, half of the Stormwind population turned black overnight. Can someone with beta access check if this change carried over to Forever?
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>>581421783
TOUGHEN UP XIVVIE
YOUR SENSITIVE ASS WON'T LAST ONE TOUR IN STVIETNAM
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how popular is the classic graphics vs modern
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>>581419729
me
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>>581421998
yeah, all classes can find the scrolls and since they're random drops so they're gonna be dirt cheap.
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>>581421432
>No, Medivh does not die in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne; he survives the events of Warcraft III and departs as a free entity.
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>>581421960
If it makes you feel better it just acts as a difficulty crank up and will lead to most people coming to fuck with each side. It really adds to the class fantasy
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>>581421841
>>581421528
KINOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>581421982
That sounds fucking awesome.
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<wowfg> is already making an OBSCENE amount of cash through underground linen bag smuggling @ brill
whisper Arthur Schoppenboer for guild invite or for a good deal
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you absolutely cannot have classic animations you lying faggots
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>>581419207
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>>581422132
would you rather trust gemini or me
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So real question, if we can choose classic graphics, why are we forced to use retail UI?
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>>581421960
It will be insane if we're all together on 1 megaserver. Like in the old days there were times you just couldn't play because you'd be dying every 2 minutes and crazy spawn campers were everywhere.
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>>581420453
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all the casters gettin crazy shit and all the melee/hunter classes gettin absolute dogshit
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>>581419207
Forever is perma "1st year into WoW" so she'll be a nobody at this point
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>>581422272
nothing is preventing you from downloading a vanilla ui mod

also it's a beta
expect vanilla ui with full release
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>>581421841
Mage bros we are BACK
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>>581422280
Shit like this isn't even lagging. It's like they actually used modern cloud infrastructure.

The PvP battles are going to be fucking incredible
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>>581422373
>expect vanilla ui with full release
if you expect this you should expect to be disappointed
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>>581420453
quirk chungus
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>>581422385
>non americans all in one shard
Good
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>Redeemed my maccas code
>Log in
>200 other players on screen in the starting zone
>230ms ping
I don't think this is playable..
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>>581422305
Oh god I remember these now, post the worst one where the damn mortals dared to question our visage
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>paladin has actuall less apmy now cause judge doesnt consume the seal
LEL
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>>581422487
>giving a fuck about apm in an MMO
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>>581422435
The servers literally filter based on language lmfao
>pajeets log on only to find a literal hell that is nothing but thousands of other Indians scamming themselves
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>>581422446
>>
New lighting is super pretty. HD/SD toggles are neat and a cool compromise, even if the SD models are kinda fucked up right now.
Game balance just feels dumpstered so hard though. Maybe the classes are just overtuned at the moment, but the slower/more methodical gameplay of Classic feels entirely absent here. You just steamroll everything in front of you and almost never have to stop to regen mp or anything. Really disappointing.
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>>581422385
>Aelirenn Shaerrawed
based alert
>>
aggrend I kneel
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>>581422487
>Paladins hurt themselves in their own greed to become a hero class
Poetic
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>>581421136
people been saying they told them no world buffs in raids at blizzcon but I haven't seen it posted officially
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>>581422554
The whole internet should be like this.
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>>581422554
NTA
do they?
i have kraut language and everyone is speaking english
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>>581422487
>paladins
>the auto attack class
>apm
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>>581421761
Clearly defined and textured borders vs gradient transparency slop is the obvious one. But something just rubs me the wrong way with how the nu bars are highlighted right to left. I think it's just easier to visualize what % of your HP is missing when the entire bar has a consistent horizontal appearance.
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>no beta
>maccas wont accept my card no matter how i try to trick them
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>>581422445
first beta?
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>>581421761
couldn't you find a lower res picture?
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>>581421269
If the appetizer is shit, the main course is probably shit too.
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>>581421872
If it's 155% of equipped weapon damage, it's a buff.
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>>581422559
KEK I love you anon but why do you keep those still?
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>>581422559
are these using blood elf animations? they look like elves with eczema
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>>581421761
there are already working addons to replace them with the classic ones, fortunately
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>>581418187
most kino screen I have seen so far.
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>>581422679
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>>581422723
You're not really missing much, anon. The gameplay itself is trying to appeal to retail and classic players, which just leads to it feeling too fast paced and brainless for classicoids and too slow and boring for retailcels. It's not bad, but it's disappointing for what was pitched.
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>>581422559
no way someone signed off on that
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>exploring what looks to be an unfinished Horde encampment in Hyjal for about 10-15min
>no npcs or mobs around at all
>suddenly get disconnected
>am able to reconnect immediately with no queue
>I'm now in a different spot in Hyjal
>go back to the camp
>there are now some mobs hanging around the path that leads up to the camp
>the camp itself now has some NPCs
Did I just get booted by the devs so they could live update this area?
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My wife said I can't play WoW Forever
Fuck
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>bleedcucks
lmao
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>>581422252
gemini
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>>581422128
Except the ones that are good for raiding
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>>581422653
I'm sure the beta is different but yes it's supposed to filter on langauge.

Then again that sounds impossible for Europe so they're probably mixing them there.
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>>581422957
just play wow some of the time
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My sister said I can't play WoW Forever
Fuck
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>>581420170
They can claim the key on a fresh account and sell that account.
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>>581422906
post your character
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actually insane how much this thread slowed down once people found out this game is retail minus
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>>581422957
Just kill your wife?
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Shall hold off on my opinion regarding wow forever till my short king has said his piece about it.
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You think you want high elves but you don't
You think you want actual SD models but you don't
You think you want the classic UI but you don't
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my bull said i can't play wow forever
FUCK
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holy fuck this dude is still around lmao
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>>581422901
>2005
holy shit
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>>581423089
its just made me want to play retail more than play this.
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>>581423086
undead priest
not coombait, sorry anon
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>>581423251
Post a picture of your character
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aion 2 was a much better surprise today, wowf is a massive disappointment, it's simply just another vanilla relaunch
they need to change the balance and the game way more for it to be worth playing again
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reading the starting zone general chat is making me cringe so hard
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>>581423150
But Jeremy, I saw you playing already.
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>>581423180
He's been here all day. I'm starting to suspect it's Barry
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>>581421646
That creature is real.
Sovlless girlboss who had to fix white boy Anduin when he was sad and lost faith in the Light.
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how long before forever is dead and everybody goes back to tbc and then asking for wrath
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>>581422947
You got disconnected in the spot you respawned and you didn't see the NPCs because the server never told you there are NPCs there because you had disconnected
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>>581417160
holy shit it looks bad, just retail 2.0

what a disaster
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>>581423213
>>
Sodapoppin just said the game isn’t as good as he’d hoped and that it doesn’t feel different enough from classic
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>>581423432
I was in that area for far too long for that to be the case.
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whys this game so popular when everyone is so aggressively antisocial like that kinda defeats the purpose of an mmo does it not
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>>581423482
post the clip
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if you watch streamers unironically youre a fucking niggercattle
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>>581423484
How long is far too long? It probably takes a couple minutes to actually get booted
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>>581422957
>My wife said I can't play WoW Forever
Duuuude that sucks. Oh well.
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if you play wow forever unironically youre a fucking goycattle
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>>581423482
>Sodapoppin just said
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>>581417229
why would a classic guild want to play a retail game like forever?
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>>581423482
at least one of the streamers is being honest. asmon has been banning people for calling it retail minus
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Hit level ~10, stopped playing since I feel sold enough that I'm gonna invest a lot of time in it on real release.

This shit really is going to ruin my life once it comes out, bros.
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>you can make lvl1 wands from enchanting
nice.
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>>581423491
The only socializing you get in modern MMOs is being reported for griefing because you refused to be a metaslave
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>>581423576
No I'm not.
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>>581421761
www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/betterblizzframes
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>>581423595
>>581423482
made up btw
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just went into the jasperlode mine, the spiders are elites now, but you can easily solo them.
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>>581423482
Well yeah, drood got nothing
>>
we need vanilla fresh
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>all the kids who can't afford beta access shitting on the game despite not having access to it
>probably just posting what their favorite eceleb said about the game
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Do you guys have an authenticator hooked up for the bag space?
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>>581421783
You don't really have a reason to worry anymore with the servers going realmless, the factions will be pretty close to 50/50. Basically if you pick the PVP server expect to get into fights out in the open world sometimes
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>>581423614
Blizzard just casually won the MMO market that they were already pretty much winning.
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>>581423568
Like I said in my original post I was hanging out in this area for a solid 10-15 minutes
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>>581423576
any live service game is goy coded
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>first aid includes potions now
erm?
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This just goes to prove that we need vanilla minus
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Ive noticed a common trend across generals is that no matter the genre if a new game comes out its full of people posting on cooldown about how its bad or how some streamer/youtuber said its bad
What compels someone to spend time doing this
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are addon settings not saving for anyone else? Addons seem to work fine for the most part, but any settings just get reset on /reload
I just want my silly offset camera position and uhmersif dialogue UI all with classic themed UI instead of modernslop, vros...
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So glad turtleslop died for this. It's so much more satisfying knowing poorfag third worlders are locked out of classic+ because they can't afford $15.
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>>581423614
i want to play a game that looks like this
>>581423654
but it just ends up looking like this after 40 levels. so i won't.
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How come some schizo living in his mothers basement in eastern Ukraine earning $0.001 a day can build an addon for classic frames in 2 seconds but a multi billion dollar corp like Blizz is unable to make them available?
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inject freshes into my veins
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>>581423773
It took them literally 20 years to figure out what everyone wanted and but better late than ever
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>>581423595
>LOL RETAIL MINUS
>LOL RETAIL MINUS
>LOL RETAIL MINUS
>LOL RETAIL MINUS
>LOL RETAIL MINUS
>banned
>omg asmon is silencing negative comments about the game!!!!
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>>581423809
Alchemists BTFO
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>>581423638
but the asmon layer
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>>581423773
That remains to be seen. I'm sure I'll have fun for a month or so no matter what, but if they can't actually keep good on their promises to curb shit like rmt and botting then it'll go the same way Classic did.
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>mfw the "it's retail" autist has to watch the record-breaking population numbers November 4th
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>>581423813
are we only allowed to say nice things about a game?
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the amount of ore is insane. are they going to turn this down for launch is this just a beta testing thing
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we need turtle back
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>>581423831
Jeffrey Epstein was taken
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>>581423894
>Thinks warcraft forever will break 12 mil people online
Delusional.
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>>581423813
Psychic residue from the glorious disaster that was the TORtanic.
The sad part is that many of those doing it these days weren't even born yet when the TORtanic happened. They've never experienced the high they're chasing.
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Why are you playing and grinding if this is all going to be reset in a couple months? Are you retarded?
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>>581423895
post a picture of your character.
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>>581423836
the fact that you need an addon for classic frames in a "classic plus" should tell you everything you need to know about this toilet
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>>581423809
Very grim and immersion breaking
Nice blizz
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>30-40 fps even when nobody is around me

bros?
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>>581423831
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>>581423735
What?
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>>581423894
IT'S RETAIL LITE GET IT RIGHT AHHHHHHHH
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>>581423975
If you don't know, then you need to be picking pve.
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Idk what it is but the combat and movement in this new engine feels terrible
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>>581423907
probably changes dynamically
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>>581423975
It's a beta, just try both.
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>>581423975
PvP horde
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>>581424027
post a picture of your character.
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I'll admit it: the new models aren't so bad with the old animations.
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Tried to go to Gilneas, got killed by sharks
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>>581423948
Hitting 20 in vanilla doesn't take that long
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>>581423280
Yep I'm playing aion 2 instead
Forever is an abomination. That skyborne starting zone is the most soulless pserver tier shit I've ever seen
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>>581423895
The people Im referencing are different from people who just criticize a specific game because they tend to use the same recycled shitposts just with (current game)
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evens I stay in westfall odds I go to darkshore instead
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>Can spam Wrath now
>Can fight mobs back to back
>Don't have to drink EVER
Uh...
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Do we know what raids we are getting before things change?
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>>581424065
>he thinks I'm playing
retard I'm watching streams
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Any beta key to share fellas?
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>>581423924
a turtle made it to the water
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>>581423124
I shall do the same
There's four people in this general whose opinion I value

Alex
Quesa
Grimlic
That weird cat fucker because he seems like he knows his shit
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>>581423948
>Why are you playing and grinding if this is all going to be reset in a couple months? Are you retarded?
They should do this in the live game with every season. Seasonal resets would be the best version of wow. At least they're resetting ranks with PVP seasons.
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>>581423975
Only pick PvP if youre playing Horde unless you like having every contested zone past level 30 being a zone where you quite literally are not allowed to quest in
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>>581424171
>literally making shit up
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>>581424174
> combat and movement in this new engine feels terrible
>I'm watching streams
You're feeling the combat through a stream?
kill yourself pserf faggot lmao
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what is the purpose of last names
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>>581424147
exceptionally attractive man. do all men in aion 2 look like that? goon bait?
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>>581424258
You're brown and ALSO too poor for the beta
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Hyjal is very unfinished
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>>581424125
>get in the water
>surprised theres fish
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They must have toned down happiness on pets I basically never have to feed mine and he's only loyalty 4, same thing at lower levels too
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>>581424269
Because everyone is on one megaserver so there are fewer names to go around.
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>>581423828
>i want to play a game that looks like this
oh boy, do I have news for you.
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Everyone wants to and likely everyone will play on its release. Only time will tell if anyone will stick around for Re-Classic
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>>581423894
thats a lot of retards!
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>>581424363
I already quit. It's way too easy.
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>>581423813
In this particular case it's a bunch of poor third world private server players that are raging about turtle wow and ascension being shut down. You can tell that it's them because they constantly obliquely reference turtle wow or some other shitty server.
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>>581424331
Sounds based. They should have gone a step further and just removed that gay shit entirely. One of the reasons why I'm rolling lock is so I don't have to babysit my pet.
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why don't yall just play retail?
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>>581424325
Well, they spawned on me the moment I entered "shark infested waters", but I'm gonna corpse run through this until I enter Gilneas subzone. I also found out that if you go to Purgation Isle at Hillsbrad, there's no fog so you can just see everything
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>Pvp or PvE
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>>581423491
For me I play it because I'm totally and completely alone IRL. I'm a shutin neet on disability gibs and have no family. I'm gonna play to make e-friends. Cause if I don't get some e-friends at least I'm gonna go months and months without speaking with anyone and lose my mind completely.
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>>581424414
>I just want an action game!!! No RP!!!
You killed this game
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>>581424443
cause they all suck at raiding
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>>581424306
you're brown
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>>581424483
pvp horde >>581424058
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wow forever should've been vanilla extended instead of vanilla+ relaunch, it needed 4 new classes, 2 new races, and a massive balance overhaul so people have to figure out the game entirely again
they simply didn't add enough new things to be worthwhile to play again, it's basically just classic with retail qol and that's it
I'll play aion 2 tomorrow and check it out now
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>>581424443
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>>581423482
He also said, when asked if he thought it was good so far
>Yeah....? I'm not sure

And Xaryu said, when asked if it was good
>There's things I dont like......and some things I do
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>>581420802
its fine, it's not unplayable. about 45 fps on graphics setting 3 which is better than what i was expecting
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>>581424480
>naked human woman
>keeps running back to sharks
You just know
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>>581424484
how do I get government gibs like you
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>>581424545
now thats heckin valid
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Did the dev team max out their fable 5.1 usage limits and that's why there's only one new fuckin race instead of two?
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>>581424552
post the clip
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I just asked Guzu and he said this was the best game he's ever played.
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This is an extremely transparent attempt to gaslight classic players into giving up on vanilla-wrath and eventually switching to retail.
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>>581423975
pve was packed when i tried it, pvp was more spread out
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no one has explained why the retail UI is bad
wasn't the vanilla UI only customizable via addons?
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>>581424480
God speed anon
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>name + last name
why
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>>581424578
Be actually disabled? Idk I'm not scamming the gibs anon, I actually need it.
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>>581423894
>20k queue for the beta of a game full of notorious pay piggies
This game won't even hit half of retails numbers and retail isnt even half of peak wow numbers.
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>>581424631
/wowcg/ sent us a letter >>581423231
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>>581423809
The alch cartel won't like this!
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i can't stand the retail unitframes and actionbar
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>using a class name e.g. "Druid" for your surname is forbidden
fucking why?
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I’ve been searching for a strategy that would get me the mace by lvl 12. And, I think I’ve landed on wendingos. Theyre skinnable, they drop weapons worth 1 silver, theres chests and a rarespawn. Clearing the entire cave a couple times would provide enough silver for skills and the mace by lvl 12. But, to do this correctly means I will have to leave Elwynn forest even earlier than lvl 8. Immediately after northshire. The xp rates from pure mob grinding of wendingos will be very comparable to Elwynn quests, im expecting it’ll only be about 5 minutes slower overall.
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>>581424443
hey chatgptina(my gf), make an image in rebuttal that says this guy is a faggot
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>>581423809
>healing potions will now be more plentiful while leveling
I see this as a win.
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>>581424720
For me? It's this. And the retail models.
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>>581424565
Here's beautiful Gilneas by the way
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Any Australian fella can share a beta code pls :)?
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>>581424552
They're probably in a weird spot, because they'd happily play classic as-is if blizzard just did a full reset.
So it's hard for them to tell whether they're enjoying Forever because of the changes, or simply because they get to play their favorite game again on a populated server.
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>>581424669
queue numbers are low because its realmless and people are getting in instantly with shards :)
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Is Blizzard doing either Wrath fresh or Wod classic any time soon? I hate Vanilla and Forever is barely any different from it from what i’ve watched
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>>581424480
is there no fatigue?
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>>581424812
omg wow is back :D
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They 1000% did something with the aggro range on mobs. It must be using the retail aggro range instead of classic or something. I've been able to easily sneak around high level zones without ever pulling anything.
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>>581424596
what no fuckin ziti now?
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>>581424848
If you swim from Southshore docks you can avoid most of it
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>it's retail lite!
>why don't you play retail?
>you just can't dungeon parse the 15th mystic dungeons
There is one very simple explantation for why I am not playing retail and it is this:

I am not a nigger faggot.
You are, so you will play retail.
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>>581424790
hmmmmmm
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>>581423482
Well he might be right, but what did he expect to happen in the first 15 levels in a starting zone.
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>>581424891
Classic without teeth
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pretty funny how all the concern trolling posters when asked to post a picture of their character never seem to do it.
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>hp and mana potions can be made by everyone with first aid now
>dont even need any herbs

HAHAHAHAajajaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAJAHAHAJAJAJAJAJA

DOA RETAIL SLOP
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You can make cuck chairs for camps. Nice.
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>>581424816
Honestly the future of Classic looks pretty grim. At least in the short term it's going to be cannibalized by Forever.
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I'm going to ignore the beta and keep myself pure for the real game.
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>>581424921
I refund
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Are we enjoying the beta? I haven't left Elwynn and I'm almost level 12.
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>>581424947
Retail doesn't even have first aid
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>>581424947
whats even the point of alchemy now until later
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>>581424923
he didn't even say it, the turtle wow seether is just making shit up like he has done for over a week now.
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>>581424947
>doesnt need herbs
cope
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>>581424957
holy fuck, a 2nd use for simple wood!
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>>581424947
what? you literally need herbs for them
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First person to roll a 7 in replies decides if I buy the $80 package. In making your decision, know that I have never played WC3 before, but have been meaning to play it for a while.
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>>581425085
Retail ass progress bar
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>>581424785
i want the classic quest log, the classic quest tracker, the classic map, the classic minimap, the classic unit frames, the classic action bar
i don't understand why we can't have that
retail models are also bleh but i turn them off
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Home.
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>>581424631
This is the most retarded theory I've seen up to this point, anyone able to top this?
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>>581425129
Congrats, I saved your dumb ass $80
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>>581425140
it's a retail game so it's only fitting
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>>581425108
you're surprised this fag is making things up when he's been doing that 24/7?
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>haven't touched retail in like 10 years
>login to check on my dudes
>characters that used to be max level are now level 45
>apparently still have at least one wow token on one of my characters
>couple characters have a random string of 4 letters after their name
What's the level cap on retail these days? Should I go fuck around in retail while I wait for Forever to launch?
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>>581425156
Because the devs are from retail and they HATE classic
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>>581424957
the chair that my campmate watches me raise my bond with my wolves from
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>>581424947
Nobody ever bought hp potions off the auction house anyways, they were usually worth less than the ingredients required to produce them. Mana potions only sold because rich mages really liked using them for aoe grinding. Most people would get “enough” hp potions from world chests and drops. Hp potions were mainly an “oh shit” button because of that. Now, hp potions may become a core part of our rotations, to limit downtime spent eating to recover.
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>>581425129
buy it, cunt
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>>581425156
>he thinks he can turn off retail models and animations
Anon …
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did i wonned?
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>>581425129
Pay up.
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>>581425156
you can just go play classic
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>>581425129
buy it frendo
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>>581425237
90 i think. Theyve crunched it like 10 times and you'll hit max level by questing in whatever new zone for like an hour
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>>581425129
Don't buy it. Refund it.
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DO NOT GO TO GILNEAS THEY SPAWN WORGEN ON YOU AND IT'S A WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!! you can explore it as a ghost though
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>>581425129
Don't buy it unless you want to play the War3 campaign.
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>>581425315
Not as much server load when nobody is attacking mobs
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>>581425253
based beast master hunter
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>the client has a memory leak and you need to relog every 15 mins
Billion dollar company btw
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>>581425129
Buy it it'll be fun. I almost did but I ended up getting a free code so backed out. Do want to try reforged one day still.
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>>581425129
Do NOT
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So can Horde/Alliance skyborne understand eachother? It'd be cool if they could act as interpreters during tense standoffs on pvp servers.
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>>581425156
wait two months and there will be an addon for it
if that's not good enough then probably you should just go play classic
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>>581424957
Porn addicted faggot sees the word chair and thinks of cuckolding
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>>581425080
Im struggling to find the words to describe the value that pre raid bis alchemy had in classic. It’s actually worse than zero, you’d be paying people to take the crafts off your hands through auction house posting fees. Like it was actually that bad. The elixirs were very strong but they just basically never sold.
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Shant engage with doomjeets.
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>>581425373
Are they the classic worgen models or the retail ones?
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>>581425489
ADDRESS ME
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>>581425441
It's not just about making it work with add-ons. It's the fact that fucking devs behind CLASSIC PLUS don't want to honor the aesthetic. Retoilet 2.
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>finally get on a quiet layer
>THE WORLD AROUND YOU WILL REFRESH IN 5 MINUTES
could these stupid niggers really not just give us a runescape style layer selector instead of whatever the fuck this shit is?
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>>581425407
DING DING DING
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>>581425475
a few were used as mats for other, better professions
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>>581425373
>>581425506
Looked retail to me but I only saw it for a split second
I'm a ghost in Gilneas now
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>>581420453
Thing is, Retail devs know that flying was a mistake, they were gatekeeping it behind an achievement system called "pathfinder" for the longest time and only recently started to launch expansions where you can fly out the gate.
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>>581425506
Take a wild guess nigga
This shit is literally just retail with different spells and values
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>>581425526
RESPOND
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>graphics performance is shit, will get optimised, looks amazing
>definitely feel stronger than vanilla (lock imp pet can tank enemies without dying)
>loads of cluttered handholding tutorial noob quests
>server system is great
>easy crafting profs with better leveling items is good
>UI IS DOGSHIT
>vanilla models are fine, animation changes are almost invisible


this shit feels like leveling in cata more than classic, I hope the difficulty spikes hard into duskwood and beyond
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Decided to give my warrior the surname Wyrmbane.
As I have dibs this means my character is canonically the patriarch of house Wyrmbane and you will need to figure out what your relation is to my character if you plan on using that name as well.
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>>581425534
they never called it classic plus btw
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>>581425396
Want to play on the rp realm together at launch?
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>>581425441
You don't need to wait 2 months, it exists right now. xaryu was using it. in fact multiple guys independently made it already.
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Honestly this would've been 10x better received if they stopped pretending it was Classic+ and just said
>Yeah we dont have the capability/time/give a fuck to go back and start modeling everything in 2004 style
>We're going to build off the base engine in a new timeline with our current art/models that we can actually effectively develop

Because doing this half assed mixture of both is such a blunder
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dafuq
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>>581425450
Post [Simple Wood], daddy
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>>581423809
this is retarded and better change for release. fuck off first aidies, you invested nothing. buy my shit off the auction board or have no healing pots, simple as.
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Is this gonna be like a fanfic or something?
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1 beta code pls for the poors
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>>581425560
Alchemy is ironically one of the strongest hardcore profession options, very close to engineering. It does basically the same thing, except earlier. You get an escape button and a tank button and a passive DPS increase. I think the main problem is that it was too confusing for the consumer, because the potions aren’t labeled very intuitively, and people just don’t care enough to look up what exact potion they needed at that exact level.
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>>581425450
There is nothing wrong with wanting to watch a beautiful woman get orc'd
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>>581425728
CHAMPION
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>>581425567
Forever in general is just fixing mistakes that retail created.
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nigmongold
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Any info on the professions? What can you make, what buffs you get from camping, are bags still tailoring only, etc?
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>>581425831
you can make shitty hp pots with first aid and herbs
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>>581425663
yeah, we can train with our wolves together
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>>581425728
LOADS A FURGOTT'N POWAH
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>>581425567
foxy granpa be like
>we do a little advance celebrating!!
haha what a jokester
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What are skyborne supposed to be?
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>>581425831
you can make good early gear with blacksmithing as a warrior.
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>>581425879
this image is older than half the fucking people in this general
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>still can’t make iron dwarf
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>>581425890
gay niggers from outer space
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I take alchemy on most of my characters because it fits my personal rp better :)
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>>581425639
Holly literally said this is Classic Plus on the main stage of Blizzard HQ at Blizzcon announcing it as the main event you dumb nigger retoilet troon
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WHICH ONE OF YOU FAGS TOO MY NAME
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>>581425890
a clan of high elves that took a hot jet stream of air elemental loads
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>>581425952
$30 in 5 years
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>>581424545
every time i go to a convention i have to avoid people on their mobility devices and they're usually brightly colored to make them stand out so people don't bump into them.
i feel like games were made for people who are incompatible with sports and mocking this is just making fun of your future self.
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>>581425825
ha i get it
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>>581425930
>its actually 18 years old
jesus fuck
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so are the retail animations intended or will that get fixed for the SD models?
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>>581425930
I am legitimately a 40 y/o married boomer my wife is sleeping right now while I post vile things on a laotian basket weaving forum
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>>581425831
theres like 10x the amount of copper nodes, you get 5% xp buff on roasting a chunk of boar meat, some of the white crafted items now have stats, at a campfire you can put a fishing item that gives you a 8% buff to all stats, first aid item gives a stam buff, it all stacks
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>>581425831
each proffesion can give a class buff at camps like strength of earth or blessing of wisdom etc, LW can make bags
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Would this be a good time to get into WoW? I have never played it before :3
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name my paladin /wowfg/
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there's no way they're gonna release the game like this
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>>581426118
No, the best time was in the late 2000s
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>>581426080
The dude that looks like a dwarf from Blizz was asked this in the Q&A and he gave a weird non answer so my guess is no
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I am legitimately a jewish banker who posts vile things on a laotian basket weaving forum
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>>581425890
Cute
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>>581426118
yes it's the best game ever made
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>>581426162
Cuckhammer Pegmyholes
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>>581426162
vvhute povvr
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>>581426178
like what?
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>>581425129
You vill paypig.
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>>581425129
pay up goyim
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>>581426162
Ned Digger
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>>581426162
Richard Holywood
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>>581426118
Yes this is the start of something new. retail is too overwhelming for new players with 20 years of content
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how long before the retail tourists leave
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>>581426162
first name: retail
last name: minus
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>i wonder why they put the retail UI in this
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>>581425879
Kissing while there's a wolf on each end of us...
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>>581426238
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what about outlands and northrend? do they still exist? are they coming out later?
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>>581425129
>>581426257
You must paypig!
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>>581426108
How long do those camping buffs last?
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>>581426162
Billions Mustdie
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this is my porker

say something nice about him
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>>581426374
they may we dont really know. too early to tell
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>>581426240
it's just classic with retail skin, there's no substance, it's the same package from 7 years ago, it needs way more new stuff and balance changes.
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is my fps just low because there's tons of fuckers around? its not this low (30 something) on any other version of wow
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>>581426408
what did he mean by this, is this a dogwhistle of some sort?
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>>581426408
i thought they banned all nonstandard characters
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you nazi chuds are gonna ruin forever
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>>581426162
Undead Warlock
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>>581426369
based
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how much of this is going to have been made with AI?
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>>581426408
I work at blizzard (i dont do any work besides posting here) and im gonna have you banned
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>>581426436
Post a picture of your character.
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>>581426508
>chinese everywhere in some of these screenshots
Nope
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can you get rank points yet or what
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>>581426408
Chuds won the culture war
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>theres no report system in beta
go crazy boys.
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>>581426219
>>581426281
What is the difference of this compared to retail? Less content? Reset? Ray tracing turned on? :3
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>Human casters have prio on all spell power sword drops thanks to the bonus 2% crit they get
Seems pretty good desu.
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>>581426573
Do they support Japanese?
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>>581426350
we can kiss as long as my wolf doesn't get jealous, he's protective
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>>581426408
Its wild that back then reddit would piss and shit themselves upon seeing this. But now half to over 2/3rds of them will applaud this now.
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what's pvp gonna be like? Will i still need to farm honor points by shadowmeld afking?
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>>581426662
Yes
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>>581426508
he toggled it, when will you people learn?
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I'm too mazebrained from retail even though I haven't played in years. I hear the SOVL knocking, but I'm too nervous about being efficient, optimized, and fast to let it in.
Help me.
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>John (IP Name)
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>>581426614
Extremely attractive sexelf
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>touch of the grave doesn't seem to proc from dots
DOA racial.
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>>581426454
There is a memory leak because of retarded retailjeet developers. Relog to reset it.
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>>581426454
try logging in and out I heard there was a memory leak
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>>581426374
if they do it will be under a completely different context, they will have to completely remake every dialogue and quest
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>>581426649
Reset. More lighting. Not as bloated with 20 years of content. If you play retail youre going to be confused
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>>581426628
i just reported someone earlier retard
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>>581426649
the max lvl stays at 60 forever
the game is actually hard
you have to walk to dungeons
leveling to 60 is very long and fun
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>>581426740
John Herbalist.
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>relogged
>stuck on a minor update of 358.64mb that wont update not
just stay logged in
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hey forever bros :)
should i play the beta?
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>>581426740
I, James Workshop, also hate that.
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>>581426862
>the game is actually hard
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>>581426210
It's a shame I know the content matter is worthless because it's a woman teaching, but nice rack.
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Anyone know if there's a way to make the alt power bar on the personal resource display only appear when you're in a druid form? When I'm out of form it is just showing my mana bar twice
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>>581426835
If you weren't a non, you'd notice things better.
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>>581426902
if you realize its for fun and none of this carries over when launch happens
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>>581425407
Thanks anon. I'm excited. My buddy bought it at the same time by coincidence.
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>>581426889
Relog nigger not restart
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>>581426676
It's okay if he gets jealous we can just both serve him at the same time...
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>>581426979
yeah buddy, i graduated preschool, i dont expect it to carry over. Do some people think so?
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>>581426932
when leveling 1 to 10 you can actually die
in retail it's phisically impossible to die in that level range
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there's something so cool about being blue.
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I haven't followed all the news for this. Are they going to add more class options for races later?
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>>581427081
In other genres and games, beta progress and unlocks will carry, but that's much more a singleplayer feature.
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i prefer using questie over blizzards quest log and map
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>>581427158
yes and they'll add the only thing people want (High Elves) eventually too
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forever vs classic graphics
thoughts?
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guys i can't stop playing :(
i need to eat dinner
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>>581426526
average texan. the bookcase behind belies the truth that when you try to talk to this all they know is polspeak and easy listening classic rock, because they spend 18 hours a week in their car seething.
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Is Jaina still going to become a fucking psycho later?
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>>581427158
I would say it's very unlikely they go full retail and unlock every class for every race, but there's a decent chance they add a few more.
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>>581427206
how do you swap between?
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>>581427206
forever mogs bigly
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>>581427201
>High Elves
Cant you pretty much make them already with the sky elves?
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>>581427206
big kino. i love the spell lighting effects
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>>581427158
For existing races no
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>>581427081
some games do it as other anon said and some people do think some of it will. I only intend to try the new dungeons then Im quitting beta for that reason.
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>>581427219
anon the game isn't going anywhere, go eat food so you can focus
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>>581427219
my ass is dinner....
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>>581426374
They said during one of the panels that they never want the dark portal to open.
But then given the way development has gone so far I could see them doing something cheeky like using the super old design as a basis for a raid instance or something.
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>>581427293
Yes, but they said High Elves are planned anyway.
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Yeah the beta, whatever. I just want to know if Whitemane still has her fat pale thighs out
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>>581427206
left looks better they just need to turn fog down 50%
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>>581427293
BUT IT DOESNT SAY HIGH ELF I WANT IT TO SAY HIGH ELF IM GOING INSAAAAAANE
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>>581427293
No because they can't be Priests or Paladins.
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>>581427206
forever reminds me of valheim
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>>581427390
I cant imagine they wont find a way to push draenei into forever eventually.
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Have you heard of the Blue Elves?
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>>581426374
They've made it very clear that the Dark Portal will not be opening. They may go back on that in 10 years, but there are definitely no plans right now.
Northrend is on the table, though.
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>>581427206
foggy mess vs blurry mess
the real answer is: both suck and look like a ps2 game
the community should have pushed blizzard to actually REMAKE the game in a new engine and use real graphics instead of, yet again, glueing more shit with spit on the ancient warcraft 3 engine
wow forever should've been wow reborn in UE5 an actual new game that starts small and gets huge over years like retail
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>>581427404
No they didnt tranny
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There should be an option to use either a space or a ' to separate your names so that I can make authentic troll names.
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>if I want to maximize healing as Holy Pally I need to spec deep into ret to get Champion of the Light
Not sure how I feel about that.
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SAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT
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>>581427564
Yes they did, but since you were rude I won't show you the proof.
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>>581425563
It's just Cata assets.
Forever doesn't really have any new assets so far except maybe in the riverglades, the team is probably small just like it was for SOD.
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>>581427581
>Dress wearing palasissy
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how similar are the talent trees to original talent trees?
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>>581427206
Can you mix and match graphics? I like the shadows and the lighting in the left but hate the fog.
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>>581425407
>Do want to try reforged one day still
well you dodged a bullet not picking it up right now the new expansion broke basically everything in the game aside from the new campaign, objectives and quests in missions randomly don't work, the enemy AI is now even more retarded than it was before and will just suicide dive you or just stop working altogether and on top of that the most egrigious thing was that they announced definitive graphics on stage but completely lied about them they're only available for the new campaign and their only response so far has been that they "might" port the definitive graphics to the old campaign if it sells well enough otherwise enjoy your garbage broke shit, also along with that they removed a bunch of graphics options so now you have to use classic graphics for the old campaigns (which is technically fine but some maps are very obviously stretched to shit and they removed classic HD which upscaled everything to look decent enough) and definitive for the new campaign because classic doesn't work for it so there's zero consistency, a bunch of custom maps are broken, etc, it's a shit show and it's not WoW so expect the time for it to be fixed to be months if not years if they ever bother to touch it again at all

all of that just to promote forever instead of making a decent stand alone campaign, (the new campaign also features zero rts elements it's similar to the orgrimmar campaign in that it's just playing heroes with a WoW style backpack feature and all)

tldr; fuck blizzard
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>>581427130
How did you manage to make your skelf look indian?
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>>581427630
DO NOOOOOT
REDEEEEEEEM
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>>581427293
>Duur just play Blood Elves
>Duur just play Void Elves
>Duur just play Skyborne
Or maybe, I want to play a High Elf?
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>>581427678
compare by yourself
https://talentsforever.com/
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>>581427496
>Here's your second shaman class alliance
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Xaryo is having fun so I will have fun too

Mobs having zero aggro range and the fact you can't even be dazed doesn't make it retail

It's okay to pull 7 mobs while questing and AoE'ing them down without losing 10% HP
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>>581427648
I'm so sorry he was rude to you daddy, but can you show me the proof if it's really happening?
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>>581427841
>Implying i wouldn't play a female cracknei
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>>581427842
why do you continue to enjoy the poopoo, anon?
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Oh shit, did they do anything about survival hunters being useless?
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>>581427841
I'd play it, but a Rogue because they could stealth in Warcraft 3
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BLIZZARD, FIX THE FUCKING MEMORY LEAK ALREADY
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>>581427842
>It's okay to pull 7 mobs while questing and AoE'ing them down without losing 10% HP
post a vid of you doing this
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>>581427581
Despite being the class they put the most attention into their talent trees are still such a jumbled mess.
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>>581427531
>>581427390
i'd rather play tbc forever than vanilla forever. sod was more like tbc too.
doesn't make much sense. everyone stopped raiding then came back for tbc.
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what dungeons are available at 20?
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I want the Dark Portal to open and we find out that it's connected to the alt universe Draenor where the Light took over. We don't go through, they storm out and secure the area. It's a defensive story, not an offensive one. It ends with the Dark Portal demolished, trapping the draenai, lightbound orcs, and their enslaved ogre on Azeroth. Realizing they're fucked they fall to infighting. Draenai join Alliance, and Horde gets mag'har customization for their orcs and the Ogres.
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>>581427896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5zzSMSVhRo&t=3586s Here you go, anon.
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>>581427842
Do you have a clip to share?
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>>581427130
He's blue for an amazing reason.
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unfresh new bread
>>581417124
>>581417124
>>581417124
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>>581427390
>inb4 they copy turtle and add outland to karazhan
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>>581427764
Your average wow player only concerns themselves with graphics anon you're arguing with a brick wall that thinks that sky elves are thalassian high elves because they used the word high elves on stage and most players have no idea what a highborne is, at the very least aggrend responded to a content creator on twitter earlier today saying he does want to add high elves in the future and he also said they were going to be in from the start but metzon veto'd them so as long as metzen fucks off in a few patches they may very well add them

I still think it's incredibly tone deaf of them to not have them in from the start but this is more progress than we've had in the last 20 years combined towards getting them
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>"It's just like classic!!! This isn't retail at all!"
>- anon, level 9 in Elywnn
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>>581427940
It's 8:30pm where Blizzard employees work they've been out-of-office for 3h30m now.
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>>581427206
Drop the fog and left is better
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>>581427842
I went to higher level zones and mobs near roads had reduced agro radius and other packs deeper into the zones did not. The timbermaw Furbolgs would chase me 40yards just like classic.
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watching xaryu play at blizzcon gave me an aneurysm just watching him jumping around spamming strafe and his single button while leveling a character
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>>581427842
None of what you said is real. I think the damage and regen is slightly overtuned compared to vanilla but there is still aggro, you can still be dazed, and if you pull three mobs solo you will die.
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>forever is too vanilla
>retail is too retail
>tbc and mop died
>wod classic will be dead too if they even bother doing it
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>>581427978
I know they are trying to go for the whole "this class is a hybrid you need to invest in other trees for stuff" but it just feels ridiculous with how many talents you have to give up to get such a massive healing buff. Giving up 15% increase crit chance for Holy Shock and 12% spell hit is a wild tradeoff.
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>>581427390
Why wouldn't they want to open it?
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This zone is pretty comfy
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>>581428090
If this were retail I'd be level 45 by now.
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>>581427337
but i want to be world first level 20
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Best mage race for Horde?
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>>581418940
lol
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no way this gnome shit isn't getting nerfed
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>>581428273
Because the game is supposed to be a time bubble set in the post wc3 pre portal opening era.
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>>581424972
history repeats itself, blizzard driving wow into the ground again, forcing private servers back to fhe forefront to salvage and pick up the pieces
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>>581427841
Broken Draenai shaman, it was right in front of their faces and they fucking BLEW IT THEY FUCKING BLEW IT
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>>581424173
Barrows Deep
Hyjal
Onyxia's lair
We aren't starting off with MC, or the usual fair.
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>>581428551
SUCK IT LANKSKIN
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>>581420504
>7.5
Thats like a fucking 6 at best.
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>>581429096
>Lore accurate race
>"Uhhh that's an uggo race that won't push subs or fit the Alliance aesthetic"
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>>581428279
it looks like retail zone
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>>581428223
WOD classic..
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>>581428485
undead cuz of the pvp racials i presume, but i never liked undead aesthetics, so its always been troll casters for me.
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>>581419778
Her Cata model was.



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