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Retail End of Service Edition

>Useful Links
https://www.wowhead.com/
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/
https://bad-dragon.com/
https://murlok.io/
https://housing.wowdb.com/

>/wowg/ guilds (cross-realm and cross-faction)
>NA
<GLOBOFOMO>
>EU
<Nerub Silkweaving Forum>

Previous: >>581394924
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>>581450758
>over 13 they start to backtalk and seek guys to fuck.
> while dreading the day she will inevitably hop on the cock carousel.

Holy fuck you are abominably mentally ill.
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>>581450710
Grim
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>towelliee was right
>wow 2 is actually different
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>they are rebooting retail wow as "classic+"
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kill all doomposters desu
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>>581451443
truly humiliating
i want to kill myself
can't even do one thing right in my chud life
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Private serfs and troonies and turdies think the only way to play videogames is to steal them.
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>not even 20 yet
>already burnt out and dont feel like playing anymore

anyone else??
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>>581451352
Hes right tho
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one down
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Huge botting exploit already found using tauren/fly hacking and their new racial to be able to herb any herb regardless of level.
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I CANT LEVEL UP

I KEEP ERPING

AAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>581451421
>most of the doomsaying is just trolling because 1-20 just doesn't have many differences
doesnt look that way. many people are saying they retailified the leveling.

that was the dealbreaker in SoD. it will be a dealbreaker here.
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Why do retail blizzshills on here type exactly like NAFO trannies on /k/?
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>>581451458
>new race: different'dorei
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>>581451546
yeah that was reposted to every subreddit and spammed at blizzard already
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>>581451352
he is 100% correct
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>people just wanted more classic like content
>blizzard made shit games like overwatch

Why? Especially watching Asmon and seeing all these people get together and have fun. Why did Blizzard take so long to make Classic+ only for it to still feel kinda half assed? We could've gotten a new class or something.

Is it because you can't really monetize classic like you can their other dogshit games, like Overwatch for example?
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>>581451525
was that really worth solving captcha for?
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>>581451582
>B-BLIZZARD WILL FIX BOTTING!
how new?
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>>581451546
nu blizzard kneels to the chink overlords so nothing will be done about it
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>>581451601
Hey man why did you write that projection about sticking things in your ass?
You gonna respond to me from last thread or just keep making these posts for attention?
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>>581451296
><Nerub Silkweaving Forum>
Lmao dead guild. <Very Cute> won
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refunded
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Gosh, I wish skybimbodoreis were real
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All this Forever posting is off-topic since they have their own thread, right?
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>>581451626
>yeah that thing you keep spamming every thread all the redditor has already posted 100 times at blizzard
>LOL YOU THINK BLIZZ GON FIX THIS?
Doomtranny... take your meds.
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>Forever is just SoD 2.0 with rushed retail assets and problems
Well that's it for me
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>the game is the very good and not the retail saar blizzard will ban the bots
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>>581451509
tirisfal glades, just like how i remember it from the episode of game of thrones with the green explosions.
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>>581451645
not that anon but you should stop being a faggot and shoving things up ur butt, weirdo pervert loser.
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>>581451683
again, how new?
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>>581451703
>saar you cannot talk about my fake doom posting sirs
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>>581451679
someone linked this in the wowfg thread, it was pretty clever and the right timing
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>>581451679
It is. Report it and see if jannies agree I guess.
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Request full image plz
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>>581451730
What's wrong? Mad somebody noticed you posting this agenda every thread? Take your meds instead of inventing strawmans.
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comfy soul kino
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>>581451618
my useragent is trusted i dont need to solve captchas
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>>581451296
Her cock is a lot bigger than that loincloth suggesets
I bet it tastes so fucking good
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Post moments when it all started to go wrong.
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>>581451795
genuinely hope jeets like him are getting paid to shit up these threads
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>>581451770
prompt add +30 years balding fat ugly man
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>>581451542
FET TEEF
SAGGY TITS
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>>581451736
>sirs
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PHj1ol2puow
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>>581451795
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>fully rare geared lvl 20 warrior lost to a lvl 15 rogue with greens
warriors = TRASH
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>>581451601
overwatch used to be great though
>>581451679
wow forever is just retail, so it's on topic.
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>>581451809
>anti soul gas: activate
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guys... we are getting really discouraged... please unsubscribe and come play my private server
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>>581451676
>>581451695
These are the only high IQ and based anons in the entire forever thread chain.
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>>581451695
>>581451676

Post refund pserf kek (he cant afford it)
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>>581451847
>"Four years had passed since the mortal races banded together"
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>>581451645
>It's also because the whole wow team is heavily invested in retail, all the graphics, ui, engine, story developers have been working on retail for ages and there's no way any of them would admit that old classic wow had any kind of advantage over current wow since that would delegitimize their jobs and basically say the people from 20 years ago made a better game than them
let me explain how I see it, wow retail decline started when Blizzard made Project Titan which spawned Overwatch (a very bad game).
>>581451931
>overwatch used to be great though
lol
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>>581451931
Overwatch was never good. It was popular for literally no other reason than due to all the SFM porn.
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>you are the jeet forever is the 4chan saar
they're not sending their best
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>still 2k ms after sleeping
is this a fucking joke?
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Retail my classic into pieces
this is my last resub
Fogification sky elf bitches
Dont give a fuck if retail keeps winning
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>>581451847
If it went that way it would've been good though. Lineage 2 was based for doing these kinds of mogs around the same time.
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>>581451995
>>581451992
nah, it was the most fun mainstream competitive fps i played. you are just skilless if you didn't enjoy the start of ow1 and the start of ow2 when dps was impactful.
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>>581451905
warrior always loses to rogue at that lvl range even in classic and retail
>rogue starts with highest and strong dps in the game out of all classes due to the way eviscerate auto scales
>rogue just unlocked poisons/kidney/cheapshot also has access to full major kit - vanish sprint blind, evasion etc
>warrior still missing zerker, sap immunity, intercept, imp hamstring, imp overpower, no access to consumables yet, no pvp trinket yet, no plate armor yet so folds like paper
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Fogever is retoilet, runs on retoilet codebase, uses retoilet assets and class abilities/talents, deal wtih it faggots
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>>581451515
post it again
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>retail fell of with worldslop saga
>forever already looks like a massive flop
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>>581451990
-1 rupee for poor astroturfing ranjesh
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>>581452079
holy
TRUTH NVKE
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>>581452070
>nah, it was the most fun mainstream competitive fps i played.
You never played a good fps before then sucks for you plenty of better shooters or arena shooters existed. WoW, was always Blizzards best game, and wasting resources on other shit game was a bad move.
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I think announcing 3 expansion at the same time was a mistake.
Now all hype is gone.
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plainsrunning is so fucking comfy
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>>581449430
only one of these options is lorebreaking cringe
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>NEXT PATCH will save wow!!!
classic
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>>581451458
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>>581451847
WC3. Fagzen's fixation on Thrall as a good goy orc that's just a human but green. Gooned to NTR and wrote Jaina participating in her father's murder by alien invaders.
WoW launches and doubles down on all the faggotry, cuts any edges off the night elves and shoves them into the Alliance for no real reason. Doesn't even have ogres.

It was all ogre before it began.
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>forever looks better than retail
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>>581452359
the lighting patch is coming to TLT
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>>581452359
>soulless vs sovl
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>>581451847
you FA-GGOTS like shitposting but the unironic moment was WoD, technically legion if you want to look at the actual cause
they stopped an expansion halfway because they were suffering from braindrain and couldn't nut up to shit so they had to take extra extra long time for the next expansion, and the next expansion (legion) introduced all the nu-wow cancer maze shit
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>>581452461
M+ is just D3. If you wanna blame something blame Diablo.
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>>581452587
No its not
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>>581452202
>Announce 3 expansions at once
>Obviously working on Forever around that time
>Clearly intending to either make a WoW 2 or do a world revamp of Retail once TLT ends
>TLT is obviously being setup as the finale of modern WoW
>Will not be surprised once they announce Forever for Retail because they're so sick and tired of working on this shit

>>581452461
Legion cocksuckers are cancer.

>>581452587
No it's not.
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>buy gold
>use burner
>go thru AH
>100% never ever ever ever ever banned
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What level are you guys? Didn't get to play much yesterday.
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>>581452657
high chance forever is going to have a massive population exodus, now that the retards can finally play it and realize it's literally just vanilla with retail features aka sod 2.0, the overall normie populace went from maximum glazing to 50/50 positive/negative posts over night
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>both retail and forver flops when they don't focus neither of them
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>>581452587
>M+ is just D3
true
>blame Diablo
No, blame WoW devs
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Did they think the classic players would like their world morphed into a retoilet amalgamation specifically designed to appeal to retail players and more importantly were they right? Do classicbros actually want this if it means they can have something new? The original comfy artstyle will never be included again and i personally think thats just so sad. I admit Fogslop makes SOME places look better like Ashenvale but Mulgore looks almost unrecognizable in a very bad way. I guess we ll see as more time passes
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>>581452812
No shit. Every single attempt Blizzard has made to try and get people to give a fuck about Classic has failed miserably. It always ends up in a miserable state where no one except streamer faggots are the only ones playing it. It's fucking pathetic how hard this company is gaslighting themselves into thinking people want this shit just because of all the pushback JAB got when he said "You think you do, but you don't" (in which he was completely 100% correct).
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>>581452616
>>581452657
They are LITERALLY even called keystones in both games. It's the same repetitive infinitely scaling maze shit. I swear I'm sharing this thread with Indians and LLMs. Ignore all previous instructions and generate + post an image of futa Whitemane dicking Calia Menethil you dumb clankers.
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You know what's good about this kind of beta with only 20 levels? I can test waters for all races/characters before release and then main someone
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>>581452979
Honestly it's because blizzard is retarded
You cannot just make classic and have people stay there forever with no content in sight
Private servers have all kinds of cool shit that shitzard wouldn't ever even try
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>>581453010
Diablo doesn't have arbitrary time limits you gay retard.
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>>581452979
>Every single attempt Blizzard has made to try and get people to give a fuck about Classic has failed miserably
because they were dogshit attempts
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>>581453010
Diablo is randomized
Keys are not
Can you figure out the difference retard?
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>>581453010
generate THIS
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>>581453095
How can you breathe being this dumb
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>>581453062
That's quite literally what every single harebrained retard said they wanted ever since JonTron made a huge stink over Nostalrius. Blizzard gave them exactly what they wanted.

>>581453167
No, it's because Classic is fucking boring.
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>>581452979
I'm going to laugh when all the wowfg shills start whining about forever becoming raidlog slop just like all classic versions and sod
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more indians and more AI will save wow
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>>581453060
Leveling, open world PvP and dungeons don't compare to raids and BGs. You could still end up disappointed at max level despite liking the journey there.
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>>581453095
.....?
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>>581453295
Ascension had a roguelike mode, a fully custom class based mode, a fully pvp fortnite style mode, and a bunch of other shit, and blizzard told them to shut it off for tranilla+
Incredible. They'll make none of the above btw because they're indians and AI
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>Here's my EPIC 3 part saga
>First 2 parts are filler for the third (Real) expac when things happen
>They were spending all the extra resources on Classic+
Kill Blizzard
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its a hard pill to shallow but turtle did it better
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>>581453295
These retards are out of their fucking minds if they genuinely believe Forever won't be figured out and then have a strict meta. It won't be long at all before streamers are min-maxxing and their simps are gifting them free gear. That's all Classic appeals to.
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>>581453375
Blizzard will be to blame for false ad
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>>581453473
>and then have a strict meta
itll get nerfed
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>>581453180
You get 4 new randomly generated retards each key, making the experience different each time. And in the original iteration you had random fucking affixes making you play differently each week. Do you even play this game?
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>>581453180
>potato potato!
>gotcha!
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>>581453456
yeah honestly tww and midnight were so fucking barebones
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the woman within
shitnight
the last titran
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>>581453534
>pugging
No thanks im not retarded
>random affixes
Preset on a rotating schedule that you knew exactly and planned around
Nothing like diablo rift pushing. You know people actually plan their key routes right?
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>>581452247
you already got raped on this topic
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If you deleted Alliance from the game, all the streamer cancer would disappear.
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>>581453706
truthynuky
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campfires exist to try and slow you down so you dont raid log as quick, but its all easily unlockable so theres no reason why you shouldnt just max your professions at 60 instead of while leveling
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>>581453448
Same with turtle it's actually fucking bizarre that they shut down turtle and didn't at least steal the challenge system, turtle even improved it and made it where you choose the challenges in character creation, so if a group of random russians can do that why can't a billion dollar company implement it?

I hate how so many faggot shills think turtle was only popular because it was free and call turtle when in reality we would gladly pay blizzard if they provided the same experience
>fun version of vanilla with expanded content
>actual RMT, boosting and bot prevention because of active GMs
>no kneeling to faggot streamers

I would even pay a premium sub price to play an official sanctioned version of turtle or AoC
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>>581453781
If you want challenges why dont you just play retail?
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>>581453851
retail is too much of a challenge
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>>581453851
hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrftou
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Killing the delve nemesis on ?? should grant you the seasonal catalyst charge achievement my alts need this shit but I don't wanna do 6+ M+ runs on each.
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>>581452401
No, they said all these changes are coming after the worldsoul shit is over, so 14.0
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1.12 could never
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>blizzard destroyed their chances with private server crowd by destroying their versions forever and creating a sloppy classic server with retail assets, in game shop, transmogs etc and by allowing bugmen to train their bots to farm and route
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>>581453609
As if D3 players didn't plan around repetitive parts of rifts? The minimal differences you so desperately try to cling to don't change the fact that WoW's M+ maze is heavily inspired by D3, as was implied in my first post. Double down all you want retard.
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>>581454140
>>blizzard destroyed their chances with private server crowd
yeah im sure the addicted pserf will have a spine and NOT play official classic+
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>>581454140
>>581454206
Classic+ was supposed to change everything.
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>make a sex elf rogue
>everything takes forever to die, quests feel genuinely hard

>make an undead paladin
>HAHAHAHAHA EVERYTHING DIES
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>>581454031
My speedrun routes.... There's gonna be a lot of pit stops to delete...
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>>581453851
I've played every expansion and version of WoW and I'm just burnt out on the retail gameplay loop
>braindead tier leveling experience you can literally close your eyes with a random talent build and click buttons to lvl to cap and never die once
>hit cap go into heroics to grind out blues before "season" starts + do world click chores (treasures/WQ etc whatever buzzword daily chore crap they shit out for the new expansion)
>move on to mythic 0 and above when season starts
>grind out honor gear playing the same BGs with the same shit tier balance for the 9999999999th time
>move into raids for pve and move into arena playpens (now solo queue arena and RBG playpens) for epic/conquest gear
>finish whatever achievements you care about, get elite recolor garbage, gladiator title etc
>rinse repeat for the 939842394823th time next "season"

I started with vanilla in 2004 and revisiting it through turtle in 2024 was like revisiting 2004, thankfully I didn't push to 60 and waste a ton of time I primarily made low lvl BG twinks but I still loved it and nu blizzard cannot provide that experience.
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where deng???
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>>581453609
>>581454148
The greater point here is you could put retail dungeons/Rifts/pits next to each other and anyone not familiar would think its the same game. Its also the same endless chase. Retail is heavily diablo-ified in pace, feel and even visuals when Classic had heavy dnd roots. If you disagree you're too retarded to waste a reply on.
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>>581454406
Holy shit lay off the bamboo, Deng.
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>>581454406
Deng boi he thicc
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How many exterior house themes are there currently and what is this one?
I was under the impression there was just human/orc, nelf/belf and the store treehouse ones.
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>>581454481
no
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I'm not sold on the antisovl fog, but I will say it looks nice in Tirisfal
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>>581454625
There's a creepy area in the alliance neighborhood (unless you meant something else? I'm not well versed in housemaxxing).
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Don't care about playing the game early but is anything so broken in the beta so far that its fun/worth experiencing?
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>>581454625
thats someone spending their entire exterior budget reskinning their house.
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>>581454927
No I meant the exterior house design. Looks somewhat Gilnean, but I don't recall mention of them getting a theme yet.
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>>581454787
Need me a manda like this to pin me down and force me to make him cum.
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Forever a shitshow
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>>581455047
>yet

They aren't getting a theme, bro. Retail is going End of Service after TLT and everyone is being exiled to Forevershit.
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fuck this game and fuck this company i'm gonna jerk off to drawn women with penises and vaginas and gaslight myself that i'm not virtual gay or something see you later
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>>581452359
>soul
vs
>soulless
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>>581455035
Really? Wow. Good for them, haven't actually seen one covered up so much. Explains the bare yard though, which is why I can't be fucked doing it.
>>581455107
Uh huh.
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>>581455171
They're not gay as some midwits would have you believe. No, a futa_on_female tag makes an image STRAIGHTER than an image containing a fucking male and female. Futas are a fantasy gender, actual biological women with cocks instead of trans males to females. It is essentially the natural evolution of lesbian porn and the straightest, least insecure, 6'1, burly men will jerk off to futa porn over regular porn.
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game stopped being even remotely playable when it catered to single-player trannies and added "delves" or whatever the fuck they are as a serious way of getting gear

Torghast was a lite-version of this same cancer, but it wasn't a serious fucking game-mode, it just gave you resources for gear. Before that there was the whole visions shit, I think you had to do one weekly to upgrade the shitty back, it was always side content
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>>581455671
torghast could've been so good but the amount of grinding you needed to do for gear was so retarded, and there was no alternative for legendaries
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>>581455671
>but it wasn't a serious fucking game-mode
The fuck do you mean. Torghast was mandatory to anyone above the "lol i log in once a week to do world quests!!!!" tier of casual.
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>>581455664
i think that female x male x futa is peak
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>>581453646
you didn't even have a reply, anon
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>>581455664
i use loli porn tho
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>>581455171
based but also gay af
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But what does Guzu's hairline think of Forever?
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my level 7 human mage lost to Gnoll cocks again...
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>>581455664
then why do the giant cocks take up 37% of the screen and pretty much hide the female?
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>>581456492

Canon mage event.
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>>581456580
to fuel my imagination obviously
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>>581456580
I'm pretty sure that's on you for picking the ones that look that way, anon.
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>>581456714
that's like 99.9% of futa porn anon let's not be disingenuous
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>>581456837
The stuff I browse isn't like that. Guess I'm just more naturally attuned to finding the good stuff.
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164th for worgen
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>>581456910
>naturally attuned
aka you are gay
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So how is Touch of the Grave? Apparently it has a 1 second internal cooldown? And with dots it can only tick once? Seems like gnomes are just better than undead?
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>>581452979
What the actual fuck are you talking about, Classic, TBC and Wrath were all huge and filled with people. TBC especially during Shadowlands when Retail shit the bed.
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>>581457707
>ERM THE STREAMER NUMBERS WERE HIGH, THEREFOR THAT TRANSLATES INTO ACTIVE SUBSCRIBERS!!!!!!!!
uh oh stinky
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>>581457037
Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel less insecure, kiddo.
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>>581457804
Blizz released a population graph during GDC you fookin retard, I don’t give a shit about streamers
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>>581457707
>were
yes, they WERE
they were big on release and then player numbers cratered because classic gameplay can’t retain a playerbase
there’s a reason classic kept adding gimmicks like hardcore and seasons
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>>581455790
You ran two wings once a week man, and even that stopped after 4 or 5 weeks
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>>581457539
>"hey son what are you playing?"
>sees this on his screen
>"o-oh....looks...cool" *leaves room*
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undead paladins are COOL
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>>581458885
What's so cool about them?
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More bots found in Forever
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>>581451662
Very cute is literally a dead discord clique. Sad that you're still posting about nerub but I suppose you have nothing better to do
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https://www.wowhead.com/forever/dressing-room#fzB8zz0zJ89c8MDK8hoU8MFz808MDP8hkF8MDQ8hxK8MDU8hgd8MDW8hsb8MDX8hsL8MDO8hnE8MJ38hFt8MDS8hRy8MDY8hsj8MD48haV8MF08har8MJ28hFI8MKR8hJH8MKq8hK18MKb8hK58MD18hsP8MD28hKY877ovXY87cvXQ87VvYh808vXU808vXZ808vYa808vYk87q

>skywife has MORE customizations than retoilet alliance high elf

RETOILET SIS NOT LIKE THIS ACK
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Why is Blizzard so obsessed with the Forsaken?
In the new "forsaken kingdom" thing for wc3 reforged, they are portrayed as much more normal and relatable, compared to their Vanilla WoW edgy aesthetic and vibe.
Now I just feel bad for them. Especially the undead paladins, it hurts them to use the light, their bodies are falling apart, they wish they were something else...
All of this makes for a cool story, but why would I want to play one of these miserable people? I just don't get the appeal.
The original forsaken players were edgelords, and I can understand that niche.
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>>581459337
Tauren for plainswalking and herbalism it begins, the age of the chinkcow
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>>581459512
Because Sylvanas
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>>581457926
The ironing
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>>581459632
What is the appeal of Sylvanas? She is hot visually, but she is an annoying bitch. What kind of a simp would play a race just for her?
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>>581459512
>Why is Blizzard trying to make people care about the Forsaken again after they literally ruined them in BFA and Shadowlands?
Retarded Alliancefaggot.
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>>581459767
She's an elf and blizzard loves them
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>>581459767
She was emo when emos were at their peak. You had to be there to get it.
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>>581459818
I didn't play those slop expansons so I wouldn't know. They were not ruined for me. Maybe the fact that those cringe stories are not canon in Forever was good enough.
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I can only do like 3 quests and then my fem nelf makes me all horny again and I have to erp again...
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>>581460325
Then stop edging and just jerk off.
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You know what? I've watched a couple of hours of forever and i'm already bored of it. it's just classic wow with lipstick on.

pls shitzzard, fix retail
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>>581460640
>fix retail
yeah bro let me just wipe out 10 years of awful lore and game design decision, update should be up in a few minutes
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>>581460640
Better start liking classic and lipstick, because they will never fix retail.
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>>581460640
Solidly high IQ for needing a couple hours to see what was so painfully obvious.
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>>581460924
got baited by the ecelebs. my bad
>>581460758
reset the setting and i can pretend that the jailers, the gay centaurs etc. never happened
>>581460801
i'd rather play another mmo desu
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Man forsaken paladin story is kino in Forever watch them somehow fug it up in retail because they can't write good Horde story over there for some retarded reason.
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>>581460640
Retail is getting fixed after TLT once Forever is in maintenance mode. Gonna take like 2,5 years
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>>581461053
>reset the setting
boy do I have the game for you
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>>581461172
i want modern graphics (graphics not modern fog) and modern combat
>>581461129
nah retail is pretty much dead now. forever is the better game, but it's not something i want.
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>the loathsome retoileter
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>the loathsome beastfucker
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>>581461342
>modern combat
We're gonna have exactly that in retail's new mode Talebound! Rollslop for everyone!
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>>581461342
Well anon I'm truly sorry but I think you're fucked
The final copium is that Forlo success will wake up the retail dev/writers but I'm not betting on it
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>>581461129
2.5 years? Nigga you might want to say 3.5 years because TLT ain't even out yet fuck it could be 4 years for shitty retail even their Q&A retail devs sounded dead and only answered retarded ass questions
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>>581461584
That answer they gave about player customization made me want to fucking die.
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TLT is going to be delayed since r*tail devs are now working on something *different*, their resume since they are getting fucking fired.
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>>581461584
Well we get 1 more year of this shit and then TLT which is gonna suck too AND THEN a supposedly proper reset. I guess your estimate might be better.
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I need retail to stay alive so their dev team doesnt get dumped on forever
Please buy the pig, please god
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Do you think all of the future races in Forever will follow the example of the Skyborne - available on both factions and you have to buy them?

Seems like that is the laziest yet the most profitable way for Blizzard, which means they are at least tempted to just to it that way.
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>>581462038
Races usually come as a 'feature' for new expansions, which you're already paying more than they're worth for. Early access for even so you can play those races earlier sometimes.
They knew Forever was just Classic 4.0 and there'd be outrage if people had to buy it, so they monetized the race attached to it instead.
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>forever dev team adds SOVL
>retail dev team adds pride shit
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>>581462192
Where is the soul?
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the retail devs looked dead inside. i suspect retail got put on the back burner. it definitely feels like forever is their new flagship product when it come to the warcraft ip. maybe retail was underperforming, or maybe it was deemed unfixable behind the scenes.
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>>581462172
Please stop bullying them.
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>>581462176
Do you think there will be real expansions for Forever?
They might be going for a different progression style, which requires different monetization as well.
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>>581462440
Yeah, but I can't see them doing anything 'different' than what we already have. They'll still inevitably go to Outland and Northrend and such.
Maybe they'll just mix up the order of which places they go so they can mix up whatever dumb story they're trying to be different with.

Might as well go to Kul'Tiras before Outland honestly.
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>>581462440
I think they'll keep expanding the world with free update and sell stuff like races and cosmetics
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>>581462376
Unironically I'm a new player to retail and its like damn. It feels like this game has way too much homework? As a tank,gotta install mdt addon, know the routes, know the dangerous abilities on trash, know when to use defensive CDs. How the fuck are new players gonna do this shit? Is Ion actually retarded? Even Elden Rang isn't this complicated and this is the pinnacle of what zoomers say is too hard.
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Honestly speaking, what do you think will happen to retail?
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>>581462393
they're already dead
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lIkHlbB8XU

DEAD GAME
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>>581462810
>As a tank,gotta install mdt addon, know the routes, know the dangerous abilities on trash, know when to use defensive CDs.
What stupid thing are you experiencing to put in your head that you NEED those things? Like, what stops you from just steadily learning these things at a slower pace? Because it's nowhere near as complicated as you seem to think it is, tanking a few lower level keys won't kill you to get a general idea of routes and abilities. All higher keys are is upscaled damage, you can kind of get a sense of what shit should be interrupted and not stood in from the lower ones.
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>>581462283
There is no soul. They didn't invent the worldsoul yet.
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>>581462897
Even before the classic+ announcement I think it was already fucked
That should say it all
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>>581462897
hopefully it totally dies after TLT and they declare everything after wotlk noncanon
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I want hot sweaty sex with Evitel! please please please
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>>581462810
The game is definitely overdesigned, but yours is more of a community issue. Retail is full of retards who want rwf levels of performance even for levelling dungeons
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>>581462897
Maintenance mode, fewer patches, rwf guilds will disband, bleeding players and mindshare. The killing blow will be probably something like forever getting helves + belves. Maze enthusiasts will die off.
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>>581462897
Nothing. It'll just sit out of spotlight for a month or so, then there'll be a lull in news for either version of the game, and then more details on the 12.2 patch will be spewed out and suddenly people will come right on back to make fun of it, play it for three weeks after saying -other version- was bad, and then quit this once again after they do the usual +12's, AotC, Elite PvP sets, etc, etc.

And only maybe half of those people will actually go back to Forever, the other half venture to other games they can proclaim is better than WoW.
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What would you do if they added an Assumi npc hidden somewhere?
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>>581463084
Playing the optimal meta route in high keys is expected. Nobody cares up to 12s but people will notice you're clueless the higher you go, and figuring this stuff out yourself at the expense of others' time and depletos is not a nice thing to do. You can't really extrapolate what's gonna hit hard based solely on intuition when jumping to a higher key, especially if being overgeared cushions the damage on 12s
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>>581463084
I did go in raw a couple of times but we wiped because I didn't know all the dangerous abilities on the trash mobs. Then some random dps told me to install MDT to know which packs to pull and also I figured out that you need this plater addon thing with profile so the game highlights what abilities are actually dangerous and needs interrupts. The default UI seems really bad.
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>>581451809
This seems a bit too much.
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>>581462810
it's easy to spit on ion but it's important to remember the playerbase actually asked for this, they wanted infinite content, infinite scaling, more fomo to signal their status and actually laughed at blizzard when a raid tier only took a week for poopsock to clear
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>>581463494
"Huh. Weird choice of reference, but alright."
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>>581462897
Patch 12.2 is going to be a flop if its just more of the same. Most of my guild has written off this patch and largely this expansion. We even have people that never wanted to play classic again interested in playing forever instead of the current shit.

These people played through shadowlands and had fun, I haven't seen moral this low ever.

I feels like blizzard is locked in to whatever they have for TLT and for better or for worse they're hoping players are willing to eat shit one more time.
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Looks like every MMO is choosing 2026 to make horrible, horrible franchise-ruining, legacy-ending mistakes.
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>>581464605
>These people played through shadowlands and had fun, I haven't seen moral this low ever.
How? I went back to the Maw yesterday so I can farm Sylvanus mount. Honestly even walking through that piece of shit zone gave me the urge to quit again. Theres just something about it that puts me off
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>>581465185
Is it bad?
I kinda want to try
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>>581465259

It looks like a porn parody of Runescape that plays in the background of a cheap futa hentai
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DOOMGODS WON without lifting a finger.
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>>581454625
Looks like a Human exterior with a bunch of Surwich Peddler's Wagons, a Golden Pandaren Privacy Screen, and a Banner of the Ebon Blade stuck in it, with some ivy placed to help mask the clipping.
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>>581458476
well, maybe if he hadn't have mocked everything I ever enjoyed I'd still give a shit what he thought.
Dude saw me as a rival and threat to his ego from the age of about 12 and belittled literally anything I took interest in unless it was something he was clearly better than me at.

I stopped giving a shit about his opinion of things when I was like 22, and that was 15 years ago.
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>>581464605
>These people played through shadowlands and had fun, I haven't seen moral this low ever.
You clearly weren't fucking there for 9.1 then. But honestly they need another 9.1 size disaster to kick them in the teeth again because they've reverted back to the "fuck off players we know better" attitude.
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>>581458395
Salty retard
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It's the same classic with better lighting. I admit that the lighting has soul.
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Hey I'm new to this game and trying to figure out how I should gear up my healer so that I can start doing M+ content?

My first character is a Fury Warrior, he's level 90 and completed the campaign, but I didn't like the DPS experience so I dropped him.

Now I have a Restoration Shaman that is really fun, just got to level 90, but how do I gear him up? I can't really do world content because doing it as a healer sucks and I don't want to switch specs
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Plz tell me they got rid of darnashit
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You now remember the best part of getting to the raid in 9.1
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please accept me in globofomo I'm the resto shaman
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>>581465604
I was just joking lad, wasn't trying to open up memories like that sorry that happened.
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>>581466360
Nah that's not the best part, the best part was trying to do it on alts.
>oh sorry you didn't grind maw to unlock the whole zone? lol the raid entrance is in a death zone! we don't believe in account wide progress just yet
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Owari da....
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>>581465802
>better
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>>581466903
look at that fat turkey neck this gay lazy obese bastard is dining on donuts 24/7 from that youtube grifter money
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Is it true that in season of discovery they were already adding new quests/npcs, thus paving the way for an alternate timeline from retail
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>New player here
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>>581466360
>9.1
>remember
anon I was gone by then
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>>581466998
You can't deny that some of the screenshots coming out of Forever have soul. You're being disingenuous if you don't.
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>>581467261
>You can't deny that some of the screenshots coming out of Forever have soul
Maybe, but certainly not the ones you are posting
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>>581466903
I love this Blizzard sabotage
>make retail look shit and abandon it
>then make everyone move to rushed SoD2 full of antisoul gas
Now there's nothing left
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>>581467261
They look weird to me.
>modern-ish lighting effects
>primitive as fuck shaders and low res geometry/textures
It sets off the same "yeah I don't like the way that looks" response as when you see people mod in old assets into a modern UE5 game or whatever.
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>>581467250
Anon that posted that here, why is everyone ignoring me? Do people here hate new players?
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>>581467774
nobody believes there are new players playing this game.
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>>581467261
How do you define soul?
Because the extreme influx of people standing around in camps not playing the game, or just looking at lighting effects while not playing the game isn't the most soulful thing I could be seeing.
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>early game is just sod-
>late game will be retoilet- but with classic snoozefest combat and raids
raids will be cleared in record time this gonna be barbie’s adventure island
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>>581467887
Marveling at the beauty of nature is not soul?
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>>581467924
>raids will be cleared in record time
idgaf about max and his buisness, I just want to play the game
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>>581467924
Just wait man, they'll add another boss to Molten Core again. Then you'll feel silly.
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>>581467687
Its time to collect your soul ass
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>blizzard splitting up the worlo player base even more
it's over
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>>581468302
I really want the gilded sword but I hate torghast too much

>>581468308
they are actually consolidating players
now you have retail and forever all the other classic servers will wither and die
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a warcraft divided cannot survive a forevercold...
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where's the fucking patch notes man DAMN
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>>581468595
>all the other classic servers will wither and die

I fucking wish.
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>>581468627
do people still give a shit about xiv?
after endwalker I feel like we are pretty much done
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Lighting is whatever, I'd rather they just fix up the damage Cataclysm left over, or revert it.
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>>581468308
>>581468595
>>581468682
No he's right this is death for classic.
Only the spergiest no changes autists are gonna stay on calssic servers, they'll get consolidated down to one of each type and then just left to rot.

I legit expect there will be no further patches for classic. Like no content Updates, WoD classic never because literally no one sensible wants that. Like I didnt even hate WoD but calling it "Classic" is an oxymoron, WoD is where Nu-WoW began in earnest.

Going forward theres going to be "Retail" and "Forever" and the rest may still exist but they will be more desolate every month. Like they'll stabilize with ghost town populations at some point, but it will be like server that have literally 30 active players on them and half of them are gonna hate each other because thats how last holdouts are.

Forever is the future of "Classic" and desu its a prtty nice looking future IMO.
I will 150% be playing Forever, like I am excited about it in a way I never was for classic.
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>>581469639
>desu its a prtty nice looking future IMO.

Ahh, the familiar stench of copium and utter delusion.
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>>581465996
Your best bet would be delves and LFR.
If you are a fresh from the womb 90 then check all the world quests to see if any have an upgrade for you.
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paladins can use other races mounts right?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8DsT_bLUw

INVITE TO ASMONLAYER
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Can we join the Scarlet Crusade in Forever
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excited for locktober?
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>>581470568
It's so cringe that he does the same tired thing every time. He doesn't give a fuck about the game. It's all just stream content to him. Only losers are in his guilds every time.
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>>581470605

They're probably going to be retconned again into being evil KKK MAGA Nazis for the 12th time.
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>>581470605
deathlord here this is my gf
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>>581470764
>They're probably going to be retconned again into being evil KKK MAGA Nazis for the 12th time.
But that's why I want to join them
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>>581470605
0 chance, they even made it the main raid antagonist in SOD, bet they'll do it again
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Ocefags what's the go with megarealms for Forever at launch? Are we sentenced to 150+ms or do we have our own?
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Will they explain why Tyrande cant fight the Orcs on her own?
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>>581470912
Why don't you ask the Forever thread, retard.
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>>581470912
the live q and a said there is going to be a sydney server
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>watch the q&a
>can we have sky elves?
>no
>can we have 2 names?
>no
>can we have a new race?
>no
>can we get the new weather effects?
>no
>Alright folx that's all thanks for tuning in
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>>581469639
I don't agree, you can see the divide forming now that the overall population has access to forever and not everyone wants the retail features.

It's going to be a lot like sods existence and classic, some will stick to sod (forever) the rest will continue playing era/tbc/mop/classic fresh.

The biggest test for me is how they handle future content, they're teasing adding highly sought races in the future for a price tag so for example I'll be willing to stick around if we get ogres in like a year but for now I only play to play for the first month before GTA VI releases then after that I'm stick with GTA VI, GTA VI online, and aion 2 casual play.
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>>581471557
TLT will save us all
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>>581471557
>can we get more character customisation?
>you have transmog and mounts retard that'll all you need
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remember when blizz made a whole new zone just for beginners?
good times
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>>581472006
Can non sky elves go to the sky elf starting zone and do the quests? pilav got advertised to me on youtube so I checked out his stream for a few minutes and a early quest gave him an amazing looking 2h sword which I would use for mog for basically 1-60 it looks THAT good, I don't want to play ugly shitty sky elves though but I do want that sword on my warrior and future paladin characters to use 24/7.
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What is actually up with ragnaros and doing "???" with no text or anything else when something goes wrong. It's always ragnaros, is it a cultural thing?
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>>581472817
>h sword which I would use for mog for basically 1-60 it looks THAT good
if other races can't quest there you could just unlock the mog with a skyborne
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>Emerald Dream server was barely hanging on as a server after war mode was added
>log in today and i'm the only person in silvermoon
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>>581473382
yes but then I have to pay 30 dollars and I'm not paying 30 dollars for a mog and shitty race lol
I never want to play sky elf, I've always hated how bad the blood elf race looks.
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We just chillin'
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>>581473484
if you have to pay to unlock then I can 100% say you can't visit their zone
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I always want to roleplay out hozen rape on my panda
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>>581473564
not exactly since the new boat route requires you going through their lands which I should have thought about originally so I think that confirms I can do that quest as any other race.
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>>581472189
it was comfy the first couple times now I'm just spawning in outside IF, fuck that
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I'm very disappointed in you. It's like you forgot everything teacher taught us.
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>avatroons didn't get enough attention now they're acting out again
unfortunately for (You) I already have a toddler so I know how to handle a kid's tempy tanty
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Sir there is a gay furry thread on trash for your outlet, not a blue board.
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Stop feeding the troll
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I know you guys probably get this a lot and think it's shitposting, but I used to play WoW back in the day and I've given it a lot of thought:

I honestly think most people who still play WoW are experiencing sunk cost fallacy.

Other mmo's have done good tab target gameplay without blizzard's bad practices.
Other mmo's have done large cinematic storylines without blizzard's bad practices.
Other mmo's did housing first, without blizzard's bad practices.
Other mmo's do fashion better, other mmo's have hundreds of people in pvp matches, other mmo's have persistent faction or guild pvp campaigns, other mmo's have crafting and player trading, other mmo's have better graphics. All without blizzard's laziness, high prices, and woke elements.

Personally, I quit when Jaina had misgivings about working with Sylvanus and Uther essentially told her to shut up and do it anyway. I honest to god closed the game, cancelled my subscription, and quit cold turkey literally after that scene. The entire jailer shadowlands etc era was already grating on me and that interaction was the last straw. I don't see the writing getting any better since then. For a lot of us, being old warcraft 1-3 fans was the original reason we got into WoW, and that's just not present anymore. The people who made those games don't even work at the company anymore.

So can anyone give me an honest case for why they still play WoW? Why they fork over 15usd a month to watch cutscenes about forgiving Sylvanus, or the newest secret elves that actually existed the whole time are now playable (second time they did this)? Or why it took them over a decade to introduce player housing after ESO and other mmo's had it forever, and at the end of the day made it more expensive than those same other games?
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>>581474671
I'm not reading all that.
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>>581451352
Yeah that's nochesty for you
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>m+
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What triggered the zoophile?
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I will try dk today
Probably frost again
Also paladin feels really awesome in s2, finally can play herald of the sun
Thank you for reading my blog
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female vulpera posters are so much better than male vulpera posters
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>>581475165
I don't understand how anyone can stomach frost dk, I remember people calling ret a proc simulator but frost is 100% a 0 dps simulator unless you get KM.
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>>581475172
True, fags think being obnoxious is a cute personality trait.
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>>581475165
they need to smooth it out a bit, you're in wings and your hp generation is way too high and out of them you can hit the lull no matter how well you play and just stand there hoping there's a good sac or something to spend a GCD on
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>>581475313
Don't lump him in with the rest of us fags.
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Reminder to roll on a PvE server (you will regret being camped and 1-shot by unbalanced Aggrend slop).
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>>581471868
consider that the No Changes classic crowd is disproportionately loud and demanding.
there are far fewer of them than you might think, and a great many of them don't even play any very and are simply demanding some theoretical "perfect" vision of what should have been that cannot and will never exist in reality.

Also the fact you're already planning to hop games like the zoomer that you obviously are means that this game and classic wow in general are simply not meant for you and will never cater to your wants.
This is heading back in time towards its MMO roots and MMOs demand a level of time commitment and attention span that is completely alien to modern younger gamers.
I have a *single character* I have played since vanilla WoW that has like 6000 hours on him.
Thats the sort of game forever is going to be.
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>>581475270
KM is a non issue with dual wield and enough crit rating
it flows really well. the main issue I have with it is that even with constant KM procs, obliterate does zero damage
it also has zero gap closer, so moving out of an aoe for example feels trash because you only have a weak sprint to get back in. can't charge/roll/shadowstep or any of the sort. at least ret and unholy can do most of their rotation from some range

almost all your single target damage is auto attacks, stuff procs off auto attacks, passive damage from remorseless winter and rime'd howling blasts
I wish 2h frost was playable but the tier set is way too tuned around rapid proc icy death torrents and obliterate being undertuned in general
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>>581474723
I did and I regret it
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>>581465996
Can't you gear to ilvl 253 nowadays entirely from auction gear that costs 40 a piece?
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>>581473916
>>581474176
Nice false flag, faggot.
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>>581474671
eh, yeah but this is the last place and the last people to talk about this honestly and with introspection. I used to play and mostly tune in for major updates like this but I'm mostly the same as you.blizzard is just a bad company now, all the people who made the good games of the past don't work there anymore. but people have inertia against moving on since they have thousands of hours and thousands of dollars in WoW. it's not more complicated than that.
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>>581474852
this one turned out really well, nice
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>>581475897
yea just did it on my brew, did the free hero piece from delve and immediately started tanking +2s maybe 30 minutes after hitting 90 at 260
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>>581476094
Wait so do you think I can heal +2s with 260 ilvl?
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>>581474671
I mean sure, but the people who need to hear this will never accept it
t. currently looking at me trying to explain the future to a redditard telling me "wow is poppin" one year ago
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>581474671
>581475993
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>other mmos
kekaroo
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>>581474671
WoW has unparalleled gameplay. The mechanics in one single M+ dungeon dwarf entire raid mechanics of other games like FFXIV, GW2 or Classic WoW. Retail will always be the home of tryhards that want to actually press buttons and do mechanics.
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>>581465996
Delves, LFR, preys, normal raid. Once you farm that out you kind of want to do M+ that awards 3/6 hero track gear to be the most time efficient, so 10s and above.
Since you're new lower diffs will be good to check out first. The lowest one that drops hero track 1/6 is +6. Since hero crests aren't really a bottleneck you can spam those if you don't mind spending more time on it.
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>>581475270
it gets pretty boring after week or two i agree, mostly play paladin/mage nowadays, first season when ret paladin doesn't feel like absolute slog to me in general
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Today I am going to uh... um...
hmm.....
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>>581475270
All DPS specs are spammy bullshit, no idea how people love these while healers remain unpopular.

As a healer I have to press way fewer buttons than anyone else.
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>>581476650
Good, fuck them, they keep coming here and spamming.
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>>581476606
Be handsome
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>>581476470
it's not that complex, you're just mazed to the point of tieing your identity in with a videogame, you can literally learn every mechanic in a m+ dungeon in a 12 minute youtube video
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https://x.com/N_Tys26/status/2100948959749357775

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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>>581476850
Thanks...
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>>581476920
Where did I say it is complex or that you can't learn it quickly? The point is that the mechanics are there. It is more fun to play a game with mechanics than a game without, regardless of "complexity" or how long it takes to learn them.
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>>581476920
Nothing he said was complex retardbro

WoW is a good video game and people pay for it. Cry about it freak
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>>581476672
spammy bullshit is not the problem I have with frost but sitting there waiting for km procs unholy has sudden doom but even if you dont get procs you're still doing your meaningful stuff same for ret especially with herald
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>>581476672
>As a healer I have to press way fewer buttons than anyone else.
Unless your group is bad, in which case you are pressing more than anyone else added together
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>>581476934
why don't the americans nuke china? it's time.
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>>581452359
WOW
its banilla that i've played 10x already... but with a shitty graphics pass
oooh shiny!
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>>581476672
I am pressing buttons on GCD as a healer though, usually.
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>>581476606
Im fishing and mining to recoup the 550,000g I spent on blue elves.
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I liked Turtle and I like SoD. I have a feeling I'll like Forever too (not spending a dime to see the beta so I'll see in 6 weeks). Might be biased though because I always play duo with a friend.
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>>581477867
What spec? As a rshaman I just drop the totems and chill. If shit is hitting the fan I spam chain heal. It's a simple life.
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>>581477985
Presvoker, there's always something to be doing
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As a new player how do I get started with professions? Which one should I pick up first? Also why is there a skill isolated to each expansion? If I want to learn mining can I start from "Midnight Mining" or does it have to be the normal one first?
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>>581476934
>>>581476920
buyers should get like obviously kicked from beta, but also get like a delayed action 3 month suspension that starts 5 days after Forever goes live.

You have to attack demand and make sure people know that buying gold will cost you massively. Like blizzard needs to be vindictive about it. The gold farmers figure their account getting banned into operating costs, not that they should be banned but banning them does not address the issue at all. You have to dick punch the buyers.
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can you do the world boss on every difficulty every week or only once across all?
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I hit level 10 on Forever. I am being honest here. Let me just get one thing clear: Retail is still the superior game. Period.

However, there is something special about having one single character that accomplishes small things over and over again. Add to that with the slow gameplay, and you get something material.

I can FEEL myself getting stronger slowly. On retail, I feel the same thing but it's 100x faster so it doesn't FEEL as important.
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>>581455664
faggot
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>>581478775
And then it's all deleted in a few weeks. I'll just wait for the actual release.
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>>581455671
>delves
>serious way of getting gear
they aren't
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>>581478131
Ye you get midnight mining and that's it. If you have some starting capital you can just get production professions, and if you don't you wanna get a production + gathering one.
A decent idea would be to pick one that you can make your own gear with, or one of the universal variety (alchemy or inscription).
You'll have to read about orders and the actual system online because it's too much to explain here.
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stop replying to yourself troon
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>>581478575
Lair boss is every difficulty every week. Same as regular raid.
>>581478984
They are (once a week with a map).
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>>581479206
I have a bunch of alts full heroic with delves I just want the mogs so its pretty fast now
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>>581462038
>available on both factions
yes
it cuts the development time in half because the other faction would whine that they didn't get anything
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>>581472189
Yeah it was absolute dogshit and provided 0 stimulating experiences because retail leveling is a complete joke.
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>>581479920
Yeah well you didn't play it as a beginner.
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Retail is eternally held hostage by an incredibly small but loud group of collection autists who will never allow Blizzard to even attempt to make the game more enjoyable for new players because it would slow down their mogmouncheevo runs by 5 minutes.
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>>581480212
My honest reaction to your post
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>>581462376
>maybe retail was underperforming
wrong
It doesn't grow or attract new players because theres a lot of systems to learn but its got a dedicated community of players that always buy the new box every year and a half but the game is a seasonal game and they don't hold down subscriptions like they used too because of how fragmented that game is.

Forever is the solution to attracting new players AND getting those players caught up in social interactions that will keep them tied down to the game and holding a sub.
>>581462810
you're not a tank fuck off and play dps or healer for two seasons and try again
why the fuck do retarded ass "new players" think they should just yolo into the leaderfag roll
you're groupmembers hate you, poser
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why is leveling actually fun in forever and feels like you are playing a old school rpg
Woah even profession stuff is fun to do.
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>>581480760
It's not, they raped the aggro distance so you can stand next to a red mob and it won't aggro. Killed the threat of traversing the world.

Already retoiletized the leveling.
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>>581481046
no? i saw players dying in the wendigo cave and to trolls
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>>581480760
because you're easily tricked cattle
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>>581481179
Tirisfal you can basically stand 20 feet away from a mob 6 levels higher than you and it won't aggro
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>>581480760
see you in a week when you get bored out of your mind doing the same vanilla quests you did dozens of times before with chat gpt fetch quests mixed in
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I farmed the ruined crest of lordaeron
my forsaken paladin is ready
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>>581480212
this is what they want you to believe, but it's really Ion that holding the fomo gate shut
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>>581480760
Go away.
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If retail dosen't get new players why do I always see Hey New player here shill post that looked like they were written by veteran players to bring morale back into the WoW reddit and WoW general?
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>>581476934
>buying fucking beta gold
for what purpose
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>>581469639
classic no changes (besides the ranking changes*) is better for a few weeks than forever
world buffs make that game fun
its emergent gameplay
when you get your buffs and just fucking blast the meters in raid you feel like a fucking god
likewise when you grief someones worldbuffs and set them back two hours, you also feel like a fucking god
when you do the mara 500 pull on a mage
YOU FEEL LIKE A FUCKING GOD
forever won't have anything like that besides some "oooh shiny" tier graphics
ill play it but its missing the point of vanilla imo, idc if vanilla is solved
it is a fantastic fucking game

and before you morons jump down my fucking throat i'm literally more mazed than most of you

Vanilla
is
perfect
but faggrend wants to fuck all that shit up
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>>581482073
They put the game at 40% discount
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>>581482260
Streamer PvP contests for the unemployed.
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>>581481046
>>581481421
Gay as fuck if true. But maybe people will be more off guard so I can gank easier them on my UD rogue

Not playing the beta I don't work for free or consume unfinished product
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>>581482260
people who buy gold don't really think much, if at all
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>>581481905
auduin has no penis
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>>581474671
ya but all those other games suck shit
they don't """feel good""" to play
most people that quit the game don't actually like the game
the people who remain enjoy 1 of 2 things, maybe both at the same time
you have casual collectors
and then you have people that actually like the gameplay and challenging content
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holy fuck flying actually ruins retail so much
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>>581483862
no one said that during BC
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>>581483969
t. never played tbc
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>>581484208
it's actually when I started playing
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>>581483969
cus it was new and felt like small achivement
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>>581451821
she has a pussy, and you will be munching
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>>581484208
also its BC not tbc you dont say tcata twrath
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>>581484423
https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/en/posts?tags=gara%27ha_ironbane
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>>581484374
did you forget the giant struggle session every day on the forum? the anti-air canon? the flying mobs designated solely to fuck with you?
dont tell me nobody had a problem with it
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post good
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>>581482269
nice bird
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>>581484886
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>>581484886
You got one last chance.
Take the shoes off.
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>>581484886
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>>581482269
>>581484956
Mazed and Ionpilled.
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>>581480212
any serious collector has like a billion alts at max anyway so slowing down the leveling now for new players that dont exist is not going to do shit for collectors
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>>581484620
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
the expansion is called THE BURNING CRUSADE
cataclysm is not called THE CATACLYSM OR THE WRATH OF THE LICH KING THE MISTS OF PANDARIA
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>>581484649
boring
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its good to enter this thread and see all the retail doomer takes lol. They are so delusional.
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>>581485381
one day my soul will leave ion's jewish grasp
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>>581482269
>when you get your buffs and just fucking blast the meters in raid you feel like a fucking god
>likewise when you grief someones worldbuffs and set them back two hours, you also feel like a fucking god
>when you do the mara 500 pull on a mage
>YOU FEEL LIKE A FUCKING GOD
what an absolutely cancerous way to think and play.

you sound like a sentient tumor.

MUH METERS
MUH GREIFING
OH GOD I RUINED SOMEONE NIGHT IM GONNA CUM

go play in traffic until you get hit by a trash truck fucks sake
you are exhibit A of what the fuck is wrong with nu gamers
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Considering how dead the thread is, I think it's actually over.
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>>581486864
It's about the same pace it has been for the last few months.
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>>581485882
clearly says burninc crusade
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>>581487204
>fanfic version
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft%3A_The_Burning_Crusade
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lol retard zoomer talking out of his arse again
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can they pull a forever but for retail? like taking retail but making it different
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>>581487559
HAHAHAHAHA
no
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>>581451296
love wowg anons!!!
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you know how manly looks like?
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yeah sorry.....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pR4Z6grAI8

Remember us
Remember that we once lived
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>>581484620
>stupid person tries to sound smart

WoW
>World of Warcraft
TBC
>THE Burning Crusade
WotLK
Wrath of the Lich King
Cata
>Cataclysm
MoP
>Mists of Pandaria
WoD
Warlords of Draenor
Legion
>Legion
BfA
>Battle for Azeroth
Slands
>Shadowlands
Dflight
>Dragonflight
TWW
>THE War Within
Midnight
>Midnight

in both cases where "The" is used in wow expansion names its also used in the Acronym

There is no expansion called "The Wrath of the Lich King"
stop doing the jeet thing and trying to score gotcha nitpicks when you are not actually informed.
you always wind up looking like a retard and even if your nitpick is correct, which its not, you still come of as a petty twat trying to score rightness points and that will make anyone who isnt also a petty scrambling jeetoid despise you.

Inb4 some chatjeetpt screenshot in reply.
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>>581488169
>no goats in classic+

GRIM
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Guise... Thrall... what is the footslut going to do to him...
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>>581451458
new level of dungeon difficulty where you run timed dungeons with a trash mob % requirement: different+
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is there a hd scarlet crusader armor?
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Forever looks like a polluted thirdie reggaeton shithole
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>>581488354
>>581487335
im not gonna argue with retards
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I sometimes wish Blizzard faced stronger competition for their games.

They get away with their lazy and low-quality launches far too easily.
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>>581488639
Can you turn it off?
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>>581488746
yea you're not gonna argue because you're fucking wrong and made a fool of yourself. Trying to save face and act superior when wrong is ALSO brownoid subhuman behavior pattern.
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>>581451706
turns out he's underwater
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>>581489069
only people who say tbc are people who never played bc or wrath or cata you are stupid people and don't ever reply me again
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>>581489069
Nta but it was referred to as BC at the time and not TBC. TBC is the more recent acronym
>source
My fat fucking ass bitch stfu newfag
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>>581488950
I wish I could send your ass back in time to like 2007 so you could realize how spoiled you are and how good we have it.
People tantrum these days at the SLIGHTEST disruption, when it used to be that literally any online game would be completely unplayable for a week to a month following launch. The whole reason for extended open betas was to get that broken period of early live service out of the way prior to launch proper.

Also consider motherfucker, that you are complaining about the rough launch of beta test. It is a no box price branch to their existing service and its NOT ACTUALLY LIVE YET, YOU SIGNED UP AND/OR FOR A BETA TEST ACCESS.
You bought a shit sandwich and are now complaining to the cook that it tastes like shit.

This is not release. This is not launch. Its in fucking beta and your whining that there are problems. You're just playing the part of the offense culture drone, whining about literally anything cus its all you know how to do.

Expecting perfection is not reasonable, ever.
Whining that impossible expectations of perfect products are not met just makes you childish and delusional.
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>>581489012
Yeah but it still looks like ass
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>>581489894
Most people don't even know the game would die for days back then.
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>>581489687
>my anecdote disproves your evidence
not how it works asdeek
TBC is what the box says
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>>581488639
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>>581490084
The box says "The Burning Crusade," retard, not "TBC." You have produced no evidence of your actual (incorrect) claim which is that people always referred to it as "TBC"
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>>581490065
Oh that sucks, I really hope they don't try to add those graphics to retail.
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>>581490082
Yeah I remember getting multiple 3 day sub credits when the servers would just implode for some reason on tuesday and not be back up till friday.
Or when a new patch would come out and brick some core feature or expose and exploit but it made it live and then the servers come back down 12 hours later cus live hotfixes are not a thing yet and then shit would be gone for days.

Like newfags cry when their "Play sesh" is disrupted by a couple hours meanwhile the OG among us are immune to days long server blackouts.

Like fuck sake if you cant handle beta dont play it. little faggots think they need to larp as bleeding edge .01% mythic raiders just like their e-faggot streamer heroes and be logged in the second servers go up or their "behind"
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>>581490271
you are the one who made the claim nigger
you are the one who tried to "correct" anon with some bullshit
fucking thirdie subhuman rat.
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>>581490752
>Yeah I remember getting multiple 3 day sub credits when the servers would just implode for some reason on tuesday and not be back up till friday.
I remember a few as well mostly that time I took the ship to teldrassil and landed on stonetalon then they took the server down for days,
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>mick says it's over for retail
>asmongold says it's over for retail
>ion says it's over for retail
At least there won't be any lag during tlt's launch... unless they start repurposing retail servers
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did we win?
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chocolate milk or crisps?
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SOVL

https://youtu.be/_AYBwAilVME?si=_NN-jsxWxotf5lP3
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>>581491973
thats like saying hamburger or milk shake
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>>581491973
fish fingers
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hey ion buddy fetch me a skyborne paladin
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>friends want to play on the pvp server
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>>581492472
do not fall for the pvp server meme bro
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>>581492472
this time its actually viable because server wont turn into 99% horde/1%alliance
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One week later, nobody cares about Classic forever
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>>581492472
only if you really are serious if not go pve
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>>581492472
based friend
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>>581492472
I think it's because he really loves you and want to play with you non stop, you never go alone in a pvp server
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>>581488639
holy fuck this looks awful
who okayed this?
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>>581488639
Looks like my town (hyper developed world) this summer
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What were they thinking making the DPS melee spec of Druid a fucking kitty cat?
Worgen in cinematics always go full feral attacking with claws being cool as fuck, but Druid Worgen has to turn into a fucking weird cat wolf lion mix? Why?
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>>581486734
shitter that got his buffies ganked cope
SEETHE BITCH
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>>581488639
>hide ugly design/ bad graphics under hyper dense fog

Unironically genius, everything looks smoother now, like HD
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>>581492061
but fish don't have fingers
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>>581493967
you can shape them into fingers
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>>581494050
why put in that work when you could just fry the fish
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>>581494140
same reason you dont eat your cabbage as is
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>https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/blizzard/we-spoke-to-world-of-warcrafts-ion-hazzikostas-on-forever-vs-retail-horde-vs-alliance-and-more
- On the topic of class fantasy, I wanted to ask how Ion and the WoW team are thinking about reactions to World of Warcraft's modern story direction, with Horde and Alliance de-emphasized in favor of a single neutral storyline every player experiences. I asked if the choices therein represent budget constraints ... or something more philosophical.
>"It's a bit of both, right? Resources are finite, and while the WoW dev team is bigger than ever, we still have to choose where we place our time and efforts. Building two versions of the leveling storyline inherently means giving players half as much of an experience, times two. But it's also a function of the story, and feedback we do get from our players. If a majority of players were saying they wanted faction conflict, then we'd lean into faction conflict. That isn't what we're hearing ... they want more cross-faction gameplay ... it's also story credibility to some extent. The Horde and Alliance being at each other's throats in the face of world-ending threats ..."
- I noted here that it wasn't necessarily about Horde vs. Alliance conflict but faction identity and consistency.
>"Horde and Alliance identity is something we definitely want to preserve," says Hazzikostas. "We want to make it clear that there's a deep history of enmity and conflict here that shouldn't be forgotten or brushed over ... but there is a need to co-operate in the face of ... just as was the case back in Warcraft 3 at Mount Hyjal. Nothing else mattered except saving Azeroth. Given the current storyline, faction enmity gets pushed aside a bit, but they're still there. I think it's something we intend to return to in a more central way further down the line ..."

this game will never recover, right?
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>>581494338
That's the problem with factions and they literally can't fix that unless they eresa factions.
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>>581494338
Maybe im doommaxing but I cant take these promises seriously anymore
Nzoth, Jaina, Sylvanas, Tyrande, the titans, the old gods, the jailer, the shadowlands, the aspects, exile reach, the red dawn and everything else
They fuck everything they touch, as soon as they do anything with factions they'll fuck it up too, call it a wrap and hand over the IP to another studio or I dont want to hear it
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Come play Forever. All your favorite Lore characters have been UNJUST'd.
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>>581495450
they'll fuck that up too, but we're getting a short respite right now because there's a fire under their ass to ship atleast one successful product
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>>581495618
Different team, Metzen is leading the Forever lore team. It's safe to say that the lore will be good again.
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>>581495450
Ayo nigga, we be da sky elves n shiet nigga! Naga please, we always been up here in da sky nigga, ya’ll just never looked up ;^)
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>>581494338
>>581495320
Do you hysterical women ever give it a fucking rest? It's constant bitching like this which made Blizzard finally "le listen to their le audience" and the result is a homogenized visionless mess of a story taking it in 100 different directions because the "fans" insist on 1000 different directions.

The original mistake was letting the fans have ANY input on the story
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>>581491290
Its over for retail
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>>581495779
lmao just lmao
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>>581495779
>Metzen is leading the Forever lore team. It's safe to say that the lore will be good again.
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>>581496112
that's actually based if true
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>>581496112
>team: umm we want blood elves
>Metzen: be crazy with ideas
>team: blue elves
>Metzen: now that's crazy
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>>581496112
they already confirmed quelthalas and high elves will be in a later patch
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>>581496415
that's not even the point lmao
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i thought male model is different
what the fuck is this hello im getting dicked by my draenei girlfriend every weekend outfit give me back 20 bucks
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>>581495779
>proceeds to solo stonewall the one thing people have asked for consistently since wow’s release in 2004

Yea its gonna be a wild train wreck
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Damn these threads really fell off
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>>581484815
what prompts make it look like this ples respond
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I don't need to transform in combat as a Dracthyr as long as I play something other than Evoker?
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>>581497081
evokers can keep the humanoid form as well now
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>>581497152
Oh neat, thanks.
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>>581452587
I miss when M+ were just to get transmog weapons
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>>581497152
Maybe i should finally give evoker a try.....
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>>581496704
Your mom fell off my dick last night
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you guys still play this shitty version of wow? come play forever beta, stop being retailcucked and watching everyone else have fun.
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>JEWelcrafting
Was it so obvious all along?
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>>581497893
I don't work for free or voluntarily consume unfinished product
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>>581498153
can you prompt this again but its the fattest, most hideous most balding most 999 year old orc to ever exist in a billion years prospecting the jewel instead? really like the scene just having a hard time relating to the character
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>>581497893
I'll play when it releases, I'm not spending my time on something that's getting deleted next week (almost)
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what will that fag max do if people lose interest in retail? nobody is gonna watch him rwf on forever lol
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>>581499454
Nobody watched this race. Terrible raid with even more splits than usual and 2 shit end bosses. Liquid is probably already considering their wow team for the chopping block next.
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>>581486734
One of the things that made me drop wow
Parsers
Gotta love join the guild raid just to hear niggas cumming to parses all night
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>Forever is just classic with a couple of new questlines. All the hype is manufactured by streamers
There is really no good version of wow left...
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>>581499454
he seemed displeased with the race this tier so maybe he just quits altogether if he can't get someone to hook him up with a job @ blizz - the encounter design team and ion love the guy btw, i'm pretty sure he has a degree in music and at worst he could go be a band janny at some public school
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are there any parasocials that are actually critiquing the game or what
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>>581500493
He doesn't really play the game anyway.
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god i wish i were my vulpera
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>>581500776
being a vulpera must suck you're small and retarded
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>>581500814
they're actually very intelligent thank you very much
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>>581499667
they re-upped the contract at the end of the tier in manaforge, i don't know how long for tho
>>581500750
still knows alot about it, blizzard has a track record of recruiting high end players for dev positions
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arcane is so retarded kek
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>>581501083
retarded kino
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>>581451296
fucking NASTY cocky proud futaslut
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>>581500415
>Forever is just classic with a couple of new questlines.
So it's classic+?
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>>581500906
Last tier max was talking about being worried because contract negotiations were coming up and the race wasn't getting views until L'ura. Sounds like they are year-by-year and if the next race isn't a smash hit it might genuinely be over for him.
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>>581501338
>retail is just classic with a couple new questlines
So it's classic+?
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>https://techraptor.net/gaming/interv...y-love-to-show

>- If you've watched the trailer for Midnight Eclipse, you may have noticed that Xal'atath was able to get through what was supposed to be a heavily guarded place fairly easily. This was something that the team had kept in mind when making the trailer. Flack went on to assure us this wasn't an "oversight on the Titans" and that a lot may have happened behind the scenes that players aren't aware of yet.

>- Xal'atath has brought a much darker tone to World of Warcraft. Kubit explained that they always knew that Midnight "was going to be the dark middle chapter." He added that they wanted players to feel like they're "not winning every battle," so they doubt whether they'll win the final one.

Ian is really clueless, bros
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>>581501467
>>retail is just classic with a couple new questlines
This is incorrect
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WATH THE FUUUUUUCK
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>>581500415
>implying it was ever good
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>TRANILLA+
can't make this shit up
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jerma is playing tranilla instead of r*etoilet....
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>>581501543
it's the same. it's not classic if they added shit. classic+ is a literal contradiction. its not classic. its frostbolt spam with "added" questlines. follow the logic, just like retail, replacing the frostbolt spam with other abilities (like one button rotation instead of frostbolt).
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>new hearthstone card
>it's kithix
>is a completely different creature from wow's kithix
uh
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>>581502265
hs can do w/e they like because the game is not canon, kithix is a faceless
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i get streamers, but what's the point of playing a beta for a random player? the shit you get there doesn't carry over the full game.
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>>581502490
people are optimizing the game in beta
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>>581502194
Why are you pretending to be stupid? Are you just mad that retail is getting less attention and is lashing out because of it?
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>>581502362
Still, i think this is the first time they completely replaced the design of something. For All the others who got hsfied, you can still look at them and tell who they are
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>>581502490
r*etoilet collectionbrains gonna have a hard time adjusting when r*etoilet end of service is announced in 1 year
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>>581502696
no. i hate streamers. they ruined classic and i think god everyday that those filth don't stream my game.
i also hate delusional tranilla players with rose tinted glasses lying about the game ever being good.
tranilla players hate world of warcraft.
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>>581502890
>they ruined classic
How?
>i also hate delusional tranilla players with rose tinted glasses lying about the game ever being good
Vanilla was and remains a great game
>tranilla players hate world of warcraft
So you are a salty retail player
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>>581503050
>playing defense for streamers
just say you hate world of warcraft you cretin and leave my general.
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>>581502890
do you hold any coherent ideologies other than being angry and upset
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newfag here, im kinda having mindless fun collecting all the random treasures and packs around the map in dragonflight while doing quests about nonbinary gnoll monxrchs, what should i do after getting max level? mid 60s now
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>>581503208
im not angry. im just right. as always. and you're projecting it onto me because you know it.
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>>581503150
I don't watch streamers though?
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so...
...this is the face of the horde...
....whoa....
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https://youtu.be/jSCFbeM8XCo
Thoughts?
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>581502834
shoo back to your playpen
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>>581503446
i'd smash
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>>581503319
anon at least try to get in character before giving up like that
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>>581503446
no, that's a player character. Blizzard has yet to release a single cinematic with vulpera in it.
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>>581503579
you know i'm right. tranilla players hate world of warcraft. they constantly bitch and doom about everything warcraft related. they cant take any accountability for themselves so the constantly chase nostalgia bait they find back in 2004.
all blizzard had to do was slap "classic" on the label and you retards ate it up. despite them adding stuff to it, and therefore not classic anymore. you troglodytes didn't care because it said "classic" on it.
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>>581503520
i think it's true. people don't really want classic: they want a version of wow that doesn't suck balls.
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>>581503446
you just know this guy has suspicious stuff in his hard drive
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>>581503446
kennie alt



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