Old >>582662594>What is Wardogs?An MMO shooter built by a Twitter lolcow, where you play in a 100 player map and get raped by Chinese hackers and people who shit in socks. Grind to unlock broken equipment, participate in a persistent economy where you earn money by going semi-AFK and doing boring shit, lose it all to a Chinese rage hacker, then get your progress wiped by the devs and start over. Don't want to play a mediocre shooter with mobile phone RPG tier grind and unlocks? Maybe this game isn't for you. Trust the Vision.Launch Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpQnZgZCIo8Season 2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rdbnh8P0T010 Reasons Not to Buy Wardogshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugkuP4a3xk4Anti-Cheat Infohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1YpSHod0FA (lmao they didn't turn it on?)Helpful Links:https://wardogs.zone/
First for death to all greencels
So…. He’s basically a retarded chud that will lead to death of his *third* fps game because he’s a chud addicted to twitter and fellating himself?
>>582925568Cool it on the racism, Chud.
the game doesn't even have water physics. you can hide your arty tank at the bottom of a river and nobody will find you
>they fixed the x spot exploit, and it now jumps around even moredamn. time to break my wrist trying to build a drill
>>582925756It seems that way. If he keeps tanking games like this, maybe they'll give him a CoD. That's how it works, right?
>>582925342>Reminder they won’t nerf helicopters because “muh battlefield nerfed vehicles too hard”The dogshit handling that only the autists who spend 300 hours in practice range or already have 2 thousand hours in arma are the only ones who can do anything anyway. Everyone else crashes trying to go below radar soon as you maintain a lock on them.
>>582925856Shirley not........
RED IS THE NEW BLUE
>>582926460>8-100-51Cope harder LOWstar
>>582922845I wish the weapon handling and TTK were more like PUBG (pre-DMR changes).
>>582926906How the fuck is pubg still so popular. I haven't played in a decade
>ask for thermal at start>nobody sells so stuck at rangefinder>spot for a whole ass hour with terrible spotting rate>that shit cant even spot dudes out in the open>less than 60% recon levelYea fuck this, at this rate my dad gamer ass will have like 2 days to actually ise endgame recon gear at max.
>>582927440if youre ad ad gamer dont even try to grind. just have fun.
>>582927234China and SEA, and bots farming cosmetics and accounts fo sell to banned hackers. For westerners, avoid.
>>582927596>just be a mook that exists to get farmed for the enjoyment of othersthat's called cuckoldry and i don't recommend it to anyone
>>582927234But also, really, really good gunplay in all the older parts of the game. The new stuff and anything the devs have made major changes to all feels like shit, but the old stuff was the best gunplay put in a video game.
>>582927234Pubg is still fun but it's completely chink/cheater/bot overrun so it's not worth touching.
>>582925756People called me a doom poster for pointing out his twitter addiction is gonna lead to a major crash out
>>582928040A 40/h a week warehouse graveshift worker called you that, not a "person" and definitely not "people".
>>582928247>graveshiftgraveyard shift*But, you, know, it has a ring to it...
>>582926297like a wee crocodile
>>582927234the phrase "winner winner chicken dinner" releases more endorphins into the chinkoid mind than cocaine
>>582928247what wrong with being a full time warehouse worker, besides back injury?
>>582928040/wdg/ fears the doomchad
>>582928005if youre not retarded youre not being farmed by anyone.
It’s over
>>582931304Joever*
>>582926087I've never played arma and I can fly just fine. I spent exactly 20 minutes in the practice range learning to land.
>>582929571The problem is that guy thinks everyone should spend every waking moment not in the wage cage grinding wardogs and sucking Bummer's cock.
>>582928950I saw someone do this, stingray still lights you up like a christmass tree, but now I have a perfect smooth angle to hit.
>>582932662would be a shame if someone were to turn 90 degrees away from you and drive away
>>58293238999% of the population works.You are the 0.01% turbofag who still has mommy and daddy to feed you so you can be as loud as you want on reddit or any other tranny site you fester but you wont keep the game alive, hell, you would be the first to stop playing if you couldnt farm wagies and got anal blasted by the other tryhards. A tale as old as time.
>>582932837You cant even see the stingray coming at you let alone outrun it even if it didnt boost, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>582933239>99% of the population works.a little more than one-third of americans have a full-time job
>>582933442you can. you hear it then find it then just notch it and drive away. i've already been doing it. don't cry here when genpop figures it out
So like i know that you can shoot people inside of the humvee if you have AP rounds. But what about the other way around? If i'm inside the humvee with AP rounds can i shoot people walking around outside?
>>582933239What the fuck are you talking about? I can't stand neets, the guy in question plays like a neet but has a blue collar job.
I foolishly expected that hitting a helicopter with an anti-tank rocket would actually damage it.
>level 200 faggot posts himself clearly walling on reddit>post his youtube channel in the discord where he brags about elytra banning him from the finals 3 times>instantly bans him-$40 faggot
Infantry only is based.
why is this game so addictive?
>another game of fobtards doing nothingPLEASEPLAY THE MOTHERFUCKING GAME
>>582936841low standards
>bored of doing runs on my ural>drive to the hz to get myself killed>I get shot immediately>while I'm respawning, my ural runs over somebody>get the long shot achievementkek
>>582937169>but if i build a drill the mean old arty and rocket heli will come and wreck my sand castle
>>582937169Subtly sabotage the FOB
>>582927440Honestly if you don't get thermals don't think too much about spottingJust grab the mosin and counter snipe fags sitting on top of towers or snipe enemy teams in hot zones if you get a good position.What REALLY sucks is not having ghillie suit against a team that has someone selling infrareds.
>>582936841You can turn your brain off and segregate endorphins just by watching the cash going positive.I was about to drop the game and go back to Deadlock with the new update, but that game is so taxing in comparison, I just ended playing Wardogs again. Sitting in a bush spotting shit with binoculars is enough to get the feeling of accomplishment.
>>582937717subtly? bitch after APC spawns if I see more than 3 people on fob I am IEDing the bitch
just got wardog level 90 however i only have 65k on me due to going trigger happy on unlocks. Is the sph worth saving up for or should I skip it?
>>582938357it's the most boring shit imaginable, save your money
>>582938421Gotcha
wtf happened to my dawg?
>>582939019Even your PC knows it's over.
>Havoc can withstand the CWIS for longer than the tank after the patchthe devs are fucking retarded
>>582939723>it used to fall apart faster than the littlebird in 0.3microsecondsyou'd bitch regardless, nothing of value was lost
>>582939882The before-the-patch thing was a bug and made havoc useless, now it's ridiculously overtuned. There is no reason for the chopper to be more tanky than a fucking tank
>>582940117how many shots does it take, precicely?
>>582923842>the real solution to hacker infestations is community servers with robust administration toolsNo that one would be people to start doxxing and executing cheat devs live on stream.The second one is for it to be made illegal worldwide and the fbi/interpol/fsb/ccp work together to start rounding up cheat devs and throwing them in extremely dark holes for the rest of their lives.
>deathballing around>i'm the only one out of 30 people who thought to bring c4 to bust fobs openare people really this fucking stupid?
>>582940217don't have the exact numbers of the havoc but the tank explodes when you shoot 188 rounds of CIWS at its side.Havoc can take like 400 or at least it feels like it
>>582923842https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxFeL-twUcQldvIWB-IvHaQL2fO6_9aTDC it's the only solution to pathetic third worlders like this
>>582940217>>582940847Havoc takes about 260 hits from CIWS.It doesn't sound like much but you aren't going to hit every round when it flies overhead and one rocket salvo destroys the CIWS and you along with it
>>582938357>Is the sph worth saving up for or should I skip it?There's small penis humiliation in this game?
>>582941829there's small penis humiliation everywhere for people with small penises
waaaaaow, no team
I'm a pervert, I like to spy on peoplethat's not my steam nick, it's the anonymous mode random name the game gave me
>join low level community server>get kicked for having 1.6 k/d>loadout money stolen???it's not even that high what the fuck
Is the game already dead? Theres one (ein) server full right now
>>582945970nvm everybody is playing infantry only kek
>>582945704there's a mix of legit envious gamerdad admins and well poisoning chuds who are doing this, dont bother with community servers
>>582945704BF4 badmins at work, I got banned for shooting down an admin chopper kek
NICE LEFTWING TRANNY DEVS>SAY WORD>MONEY STOLENLitterally violates my UN stated human rights called free speechi Didnt even say nigger i said n_|_gger
>>582946860literally skill issue, fucking retard lol
I underestimated hollow points.
>>582947551let it be known that the 1911 with hp ammo 2taps to legs.
>>582947728You mean the pelvis, right?
>>582946860get fucked.
>>582946860thats extra crazy because nearly every lobby some guy is repeatedly saying nigger and sniggering to himself while the server is loading.
>join server>buy kit>get to zone>faggots in heli with gl raping anyone in the open>die>lose kit and go to another server>repeat
>>582949582Don't try infantry only servers, the grenade launcher spam is even worse there because there's no AA
>tfw friend group already stopped playing this game and just waiting for wipeWe all went back to HLL funnily enough, theres way too much cheaters in this game. Hopefully season 2 will do something about it (doubt)
>>582947952
>>582949582>GL one shots you with splash damage>MAAWs, RPGs and Tank shells doesn't even one shot you on direct hitBALANCE
>>582950475infantry only removes the cwis, verba and talon?
whats the best way to go about dealing with artys? stingrays?
>>582951120its well documented unreal slop, they will just prompt new cheats and be back at it right away. its at its best right now before the wipe because after the wipe they will go 10x harder with their cheats to level up and sell accounts.
>>582951362at least the one and only infantry-only server that I tried, they were missing from the build menu.
>>582951460It depends how much money you want to spend. A guy with a little bird and spotter as his passenger works really well.
red and blue are total fags
>>582951120i already mentioned it in the last thread but to me, the only viable solution is community servers with robust administration tools i.e. ping limits. considering that these retarded devs would rather block linux then id say we are pretty far off from a good solution
>emptyYeah I knew that was gonna happen.
>>582951460best? rocket helicheapest, maaws + 1 rocket and the free kodiak
>>582951816those damn linux users, always cheating!
Can you break the armored crates in spawn? Some guy left a ton of shit at 75% markup all over where helis land. I know the small crates break easy with a truck, but not these ones.
>>582952645I saw a clip of an arty shell killing the crates so yeah probably.
>>582952645the armored crates are a bitch to break without explosives and you can't use IED or C4 in spawn
>>582952921You can use C4, I just destroyed a bunch of crates with C4.The crates were in front of the vehicle vendor though, is that different from the spawn area?
>4 day ban from subreddit for "racism" aka saying "those people" in reference to a chink name cheating>mfwThey are trying so fucking hard to suppress the issue that half the posts get removed or locked, its amazing.
>>582953736It's perplexing to see redditors even defending the cheaters by saying it's a skill issue or something similar.Nothing can be gained by ignoring the cheater problem
>>582951120I haven't played this game in 2 weeks, also waiting for the wipe to hitTold my friends to stay away until then
>it now takes over 10 seconds of sustained fire to down the havok with the cwisnice
>>582953964>redditorsIt's not even them, it's cheaters and bot accounts posting for them. There are no real humans that don't cheat who defend the state of games like this.
>it takes multiple games for me to get a level now and I'm only level 15holy fuck now i see why people are complaining about the grind.
>>582954903Good, AA faggots can get fucked
>>582953485oh crazy. I guess I tried using an IED, it told me to fuck myself, so I gave up.Do you lose money for blowing them up?
>>582955189yes, I lost 500 per crate but they were full of +75% IR goggles and other expensive shit so losing a couple of thousand was definitely worth it
>>582955316$500 to lose some faggot like $50k? SCORE!!!Make sure you're switching teams too, because these retards will do this on all 3 teams
>>582955132Wardog level goes up when you level any of the careers, meaning you have easy as fuck leveling until wardog level 30 (each career at 5) and still easy leveling until wardog level 60 (each career at 10)Unless you mean a specific career is 15. Then yeah it fucking blows to level those then
>>582955798Yeah I'm trying to get 19 recon for the SVD cuz I know I sure as fuck won't be able to nolife enough for the 50 cal before the wipe but even that is taking forever with needing 2-4 matches per level and each match being almost 2 hours each.Genuinely no clue how people got that far already.
>>582956179Progression is faster when you outlevel everyone. It is slower when you are outleveled by everyone.Every part of this game is rigged in favor of nolifers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNeva4uNf4Q
HAHAHA
>>582956179You can get like 1-3 levels per match that low just spotting and doing nothing else. Go play bakurani or whatever it's called and sit up on the north hill by the squiggly road where all the other recon spotters go. Or play ozeti and go on the far cliffs to stare at red's tower all game. Once you get to like recon 24+ it you get like a level a game if it's a good one, maybe 3/4 otherwise.
>>582959203>recon 24+is still unplayable because everyone has t3/4 helmets which are not pennable by any gun with FMJ ammo outside the 50cal. There's only one viable playstyle pre-7.62x54 AP and the AMR, which is mid-range SVD with the ghillie suit just sitting in bushes mid-zone and praying people have no eyes. Or spotterslave.
>>582959409I was looking into this game and the thing that stuck out to me is that it isn't just a few issues that have been present in the genre. Wardogs has EVERY issue that's been present in the genre. It's bizarre and really shows how badly the AAAs have fucked up.
>gold under 700kShit if it keeps dropping this heavily the ak skin might actually be obtainable. Maybe I should undrop this game just to spot nonstop and build up my cash
>>582959826yeah whoa dude the gold AK skin so cool, I'll totally dump 200 hours grinding for a skin for a gun that gets instantly dropped for the FAL
>>582959973skins were a mistake
>>582925756hes such a faggot, you can tell by the middle finger which is an americanism and not used much in england where two fingers is more insulting and much more common.
>>582959973There's like 40 hours of gameplay between the AK and the FAL
>>582959409Yeah it's unplayable, I just sit there spotting the whole game. If you are wanting to do it the true way or whatever gay shit you can take an svd and chase the HZ melting everyone in 2-3 shots chest. Recon is entirely playable with only mosin and especially once you get ap for it. It's just based on the overall level for ap ammo so you can grind a little support and get it faster. The bmr is also good and better than the svd, but it unlocks kinda late so I didn't use it as much as I wanted too.
>when nobody on your team looks at the map so one marked enemy wipes your entire fob of peoplejust blue things
>buy fob for the team>get to the fob>only guy on fob>die to quick pilot rush on top of tower>check minimap>blue scattered across the map dying near HZ waiting for rezoh .... its one of those games.
>>582937890Only until people realize that ghillie suits block all thermal reading, including ambient temp, so you show up as almost completely black against grey. It's like all it does is make you black hot instead of white hot. Not sure it's worth the tradeoff compared to having a lvl 4 helmet.
Blue is the dedicated "I don't give a shit" team, join it only if you wanna do solo shenanigans, otherwise try to get into red or green. I've had better experience on Red because green is known as the tryhard team so mouthbreathers join looking to get carried.>>582963016I've found it significantly easier to set up ambushes with the ghillie on, if you're not wearing t3-4 armor you are dead if you're spotted regardless and not lightning up on the infra-red. I've spotted ghillied guys with it and they're just significantly harder to see than regular people.So I sit on a patch of shrubbery with my ghillie and an svd anywhere in the circle and people constantly just walk by me all the time. It removes the biggest problem of trying to stay concealed which is 2 out of 3 teams are wearing the brightest contrasting clothes on earth, with green getting a little easier off on account of being green. If you're ghillied and don't move it's really fucking hard for people to see you before you see them. Like i was literally posted up near a fence in medium grass and a full squad just walked by me none the wiser.
>Remove thermal spotters, replace with thermal vision>Verba is no longer single-use only, ammo is purchasable, cost adjusted upward to compensate>RPG cost brought down, or RPG no longer does randomly nerfed damage to enemy infantry>Buildable cover from aerial units added to game>Large amount of cover objects added to every map, especially Ozeti, this time with some kind of design principles and knowledge of angles in mind>AP rounds now purchasable from level 1 on all gun types, costs adjusted, FMJ and HP rounds made more economically friendlyAll of this shit needs to happen
>>582963016>black hot instead of white hotReminds me of the Phantom camo from Battlefield 4.
>>582959826Who controls the gold market?>inb4 juden
Did you guys know you can build the little bush tent for like 5 build resources and it makes you immune to IR spotters? If you're just gonna sit in a bush and spot you might as well do on the cheap
I feel like the easiest classes to level are Recon and Medic. Pilot and Driver are pretty time gated, Support too mostly, and all 3 require your team to have a functioning brain and basebuilders/logistics chain. Assault sucks ass to level.
>read more into this game>helicopter crutchers remain the most insufferable assholes in the universe, not just in-game but carrying that over literally everywhere elseAny game you make them available in, this happens.
>>582925756>>582928040He definitely needs some kind of community manager, right now he's probably riding high on the success of his game and so far he's been saying things gamers like, but it's only a matter of time before he says something stupid. I used to think that devs should talk too and that PR people were stupid, but then I've seen one too many autistic engineer people go and bury themselves and their game because they couldn't emotionally regulate themselves.
>>582964263I think the MAAWS rifle needs to unlock sooner. A lot fucking sooner, like level 5 support. That way you can have a lot of noobs with AT, the shit is unguided anyways, if you get hit by one, you deserve it. It would put some risk into low flying gun runs, missile runs, or the good old grenade launcher from a heli. Also it would give people a way to level support better.
>>582964395The only reason this game seems to be popular at all is because the genre as a whole has eaten shit and this is also getting FotM treatment. The game does shit like making skilled players have access to things that makes them more durable where newer players are destined to go through the ball crushing factory. That's bad design. If you're actually acquiring skill, you don't need power ups or crutches. If you're acquiring skill, the bar should be making available options that require competence.>>582964604Doesn't even begin to solve the core issue. This is a game where everything costs money. In games like BF everything was free and you could afford, fiscally, to have a chopper wiping out entire squads. Here, one HOTAS chopper tard making the same swing-arounds they've been doing in milsims for 20 years actually costs players something more than just frustration. And it's always been this way. It's skill-less gameplay on the part of the pilot. It's a single fucking pattern they learn and memorize and execute.
>>582964604whats the difference between that an the RPG?
peanut is so bad at wardogs but at least its hilarious HEE HEE
>>582963310NTA but yesterday I was laying in a bush with ghillie on and an enemy crawled into the bush next to me not realising I was there, got a good chuckle after I dumped my deagle into him
>>582965227It has always, always been the issue that choppers can lock down an entire map and ruin the game for everyone. In basically every game like this. It's almost a fundamental law. It's been evidenced eternally. It turns things into a situation where you don't actually need skill on the team. You just need to see a few celebrity names on the board and you know what's going to happen and who's going to win.
>>582965227Armor is a little overtuned at the moment. If I get the drop on someone, as in, his back is fully to me, I should be able to mag dump him and kill him. He shouldn't be able to survive because he has T4 armor and turn around and kill me in one shot because he has a T4 equivalent weapon. A lot of the guns and attachments later on are straight upgrades to early gear, it should be more like Call of Duty which gives you more options, but the options aren't always better in every single way. Helmets I'm a bit ehh, no helmet should save you from a good headshot but that's video games.
what's the galil like? I fucking hate this ak and I know the m4 is apparently really good but it's still a ways off for me
>>582965623its... alright. you should be able to pick one off from a dead body.
>>582965623It's good. It's the baseline weapon IMO.
>>582965506>no helmet should save you from a good headshotoneshots are gay for the most part
>>582966078I think if I smack your head with a rifle round, even if you're wearing something like an Altyn, you shouldn't be fine. You definitely shouldn't be able to retaliate immediately.
>>582966193In the real world, with any helmet, even if you're dealing with subsonic ammo, the minute you get to rifle calibers a headshot means the bullet is going through the helmet and into your skull.
>>582965227>The game does shit like making skilled players have access to things that makes them more durable where newer players are destined to go through the ball crushing factoryThe best part is that you need to put in 120ish hours before you can leave the ball chrusher. And the will be sending you back to the CBT factory every 3 months.
>>582966689At 9mm the current Army helmet has backface deformation. At any rate, you're getting a concussion at least.
>>582965227>It's skill-less gameplay on the part of the pilot. It's a single fucking pattern they learn and memorize and execute.The only reason I still come to this thread is to laugh at cope like this.
>>582966193One-shot headshots turn the combat into fishing for headshots. Not fun. Obviously everyone wearing T4 and tanking several 556 isn't fun either. A good compromise would be that only snipers and other skill cannons can one-shot.
>>582966193realism faggotry is also gay
>>582965506I deep dove and figured out the issue with guns and armor. The TTKs start out too high and just get worse to the point of absurdity because they put too little base recoil on the rifles and didn't tune armor vs flesh damage properly on pistol caliber weapons (too much armor damage). The too little recoil problem spirals as soon as attachments enter the picture, because attachments are linear upgrades so that, for example, silencers grant accuracy and -recoil bonuses and lategame grips make rifles have recoil that any retard can laser with.Reaching this conclusion was pretty easy because they basically 1:1 lifted all of PUBG's weapon/hit location systems, but fucked up all the numbers in ways that have very obvious and easy to predict negative gameplay effects and added an ammo system on top of it that doesn't fix any of the problems they added and makes most of them sillier.
>>582967567(You) have to go back (to cawadooty).
>>582967792>compromising everything for "muh realizms" is the same as having nicky fagnajgameplay first.feel free to kys whenever
>>582967792He's right though. There's a fine line between fun realism and gay faggot retard realism. For example, Tarkovs health and injury system is (mostly) fun while Tarkovs armor pen mechanics are retarded and gay.
>>582968004Gameplay first would remove your shitty get out of jail free cards on overpowered endgamd armor that you got by nolifing. It just so happens that that aligns to realism as well. Your Vision(tm) for gameplay is dogshit and you deserve Nikki Minaj and whatever other dogshit skins you get fed as punishment for your shit taste.
>>582968446>low ttk goodevery opinion discarded
>>582968129He's wrong and misapplying an argument. It shouldn't be 4 shots to kill with an assault rifle using AP rounds at point blank vs 4 helmet. It shouldn't be 5 with FMJ and it shouldn't be 27 with hollow point. It shouldn't be reasonable to accurately return fire while getting shot in the head with those either.You don't need even need a realism argument, you can rely entirely on a Wardogshit Vision is Enforced Dogshit Gameplay to Pander to Nolife Whales argument.
>>582968734>no recoil guns with slow targets and high ttk vs you and low ttk vs the guy shooting at you goodAnon, you're shit at video games. I get it.
>>582925756Remove the artillery shell camera, you cuck bearded faggot.
i have discovered TechnologyC4 on the back bumper of an assault ural does not destroy itbut it will destroy a gate it's backed intoi did not test with 4 total c4, only 3, but use this knowledge wisely
>>582969062>games centered around utility instead of holding lmb for a split second are harderyou can keep coping
>>582970092PUBG is centered around utility you clueless faggot, because guns actually have recoil in that game so aiming isn't a simple case of holding mouse 1 like in this dogshit noskill grind2win shooter.I guarantee that if you download PUBG right now, load into a populated Asian TDM, use assault rifles and put a silencer on the end of the gun, you will finish with 0 kills despite the lower TTKs. Because the guns in that game actually take skill and practice to use, and you have 0 skill.
>some dude put infrared in small crates>try them outholy shit this is not okay.
>>582970685>recoil control is utilitywhy do i even bother, also pubg is infofaggotry ass just like every modern shootereven shit like r6s is also ass because ultil you hit plat shooting straight is 300% more important than any utility you'll ever put downutility does not matter if holding lmb is what it translates into
>>582971080You're literally retarded. In TDM you don't get utility. In the main game you do get utility.The main game is all about utility in any decent lobby because even for the the best players in the world "just holding LMB" doesn't work past point blank range unless you are under no pressure at all and can stand perfectly still (which is never). I'm telling you to go and play PUBG TDM so that you won't have to learn any info games or get util raped and instead will simply observe that your aiming mechanics are literally too dogshit for this conversation to be meaningful, and that Wardog's entire gunplay and armor system is built to pander to absolutely 0 skill players like you who would get their shit pushed in if the game had any mechanical floor or ceiling at all instead of all the guns being super soakers with ultra high TTK vs your poopsock armor while you get to laser people with a 0 recoil gun and low TTK.
DO I BUY GOLD NOW OR WAIT
>>582972003dollar cost average your gold buying obviously
>>582926087>getting filtered by a babby helicopter simstick to battlefield little guy
>>582971415>its a utility game if it gets 5-10% impact in totalthanks for nothing
>everyone says m4 is laserbeam no recoil>hella recoil even with foregrip>takes a whole mag to kill someone because its inaccurate afstop lying
>stat padding is also utilitycan you please just kys already
you can fit 48 grenades in a ruck sack
>>582973473Grenades alone account for >15% of kills in high level play. Between molotovs, flashes, BZG, C4s, smokes and mortars, not to even mention pure utility items like pickaxes, nearly all kills in PUBG are either executed or set up with utility. I understand that you can't mentally accept that you're being handheld as fuck in this game, so I made a chart for you to show how fucking hard the devs hold your hand on gunplay in this game so that you can hit targets at all despite your immense, nearly complete, lack of skill.
>>58297405710/10 editing by me. Fixed version. >>582973489 M4 is a laserbeam.
>>582974057>he is still coping that TTK manipulation is utility"u bad" is all you really have when you're not even comprehending what utility is, despite pointing it out... in the same fucking post.bipolar ass nigga
>>582974395>he is still coping that TTK manipulation is utilityTTK manipulation? No, people use that util to force positioning changes or straight up merc people.You are as smart and knowledgeable about shooting games as you are good at aiming in them. The definition I'm using for utility is the one used by comp players in every shooting game. What's your definition?
>>582974260never had a laser with an inaccurate beam and recoil
>little fag fobbits camping in a sniper tower fortress at the top of an apartment building>infantry only so they can't just get raped by arty/helis>decide to pull out my .50 instead of grinding assault and teach these retards pain>farm one of them 6 times, and shoot several others coming to rez, before they realize they need to move their casualtycatharsisanyway i'm gonna rejoin, call them fags, and go on with my day
>>582974743The recoil even with 0 attachments is so small that inside 50 meters it's barely bigger than a standing player. Like, you barely need even move your mouse in this game to compensate for recoil at all.
>>582974896>you barely need even move your mouse in this game to compensate for recoil at alland that's a good thing
>>582974845if you're banned, does that actually show as its own message?i rejoined and it just said i was kicked again
>>582975067It's a good thing for 0 skill players like (You) who want free kills from better gear. For those of us who can actually aim, having a system that makes aiming free but makes TTK 4-8x longer vs high gear is just pandering to talentless nolife neet faggots like you so you can feel like you're not as shit as you are at vidya by grinding (and eventualpy paying). Dogshit tards like you have killed video gaming.
>>582974574recoil/accuracy/armor is TTK manipulation, the closest thing that comes to utility on guns is a fucking silencer for the purposes of partial concealment (worthless in most games anyways)concealment, forcing repositioning, buffs, debuffs, CC, dynamic cover and/or shielding, healing/rezzing, mobility tools, etc are utility.in most shooters utility is NEVER the focal point outside infofaggotry and/or spotting.even in WD the shooting part of the game is gay and lame, but on a broader scale it isn't because of the FOB mechanics alone.games that integrate utility on a massive scale into firefights themselves are few and far in-between and are generally nowhere "realistic" and are closer to RPG combat.
>>582974896im holding shoot at 300m and missing. this thread told me you can do that
>>582973378NTA but I do enjoy BF's helis more than Wardogs. They handle and respond to input in a fairly annoying manner that actual helis don't at all. They should have just gone full arcade like BF instead of going for muh realism with air resistance etc and completely botching the fuck out of it.Brammer should fire his vaunted aerospace engineer he praises so highly.
>>582975292Yeah so go and read the post again you illiterate subhuman, nearly all the kills in PUBG are done with, what even under your own definition is, utility. The game is utterly dominated by utility.
>>582974845Infantry/low level servers being community only is a fucking crime, they all have these retarded nigger admins that will kick you for killing them.
>>582975341Yeah, because you have literally no skill at all. That's less relative recoil than you'd have with an unattached assault rifle in PUBG at 30m.
>>582975467>forcing someone out of cover to shoot him is utility heavy-_-
>>582975450>his vaunted aerospace engineerWtf there's an aeroeng working on this? How did they fuck it up so hard lol. Literally just give Mitch from NO a casual milly in hard cash to come and spend a month fixing it for them. Voila.
>>582975668Being alive at all past midgame is heavy utility. Bracketing players with BZGs and mollies into a coordinated redzone with stacked nades is heavy utility. Etcetera.
>>582976006>the higher the bracket the more utility mattersno shit, it still doesn't make a game utility-heavy.
>>582941829>>582942741>Small penis humiliation>[SPH]New clan tag just dropped
>>582976243Why are you talking about a game you know literally nothing at all about and don't have the mechanical talent to even play casually? The game is extremely utility heavy. Teams devote about 75-90% of their total inventory space to utility items.
>>582965243nta but the rpg doesn't actually kill themthe maaws doesthe rpg damage in general has to be bugged I assume
>>582975646ok so laserbeam is a meme lie got it
>>582967292backface deformation means the helmet is now inside your skull niggait may not outright kill you instantly like a rifle round will, but you are not okay
>>582975646Nobody is asking about fucking pubg its not 2009. Go sperg somewhere else
>>582976440>utility spam = utility heavy gameistg you're retarded
>>582976753>still copingYou're just dogshit bro. You have to play games that hold your hand in every single way because it's the only way you can not just get shat on 24/7.
>>582976938>HURR DURR U CANT AIM
>>582976727It's following from >>582967701. Wardogs uses PUBG's gun/hitbox/armor systems mechanically 1:1 (as in like, they literally copy pasted the code and asset structures) but fucks the numbers on them up in every way.
>>582976986Or throw util properly, or make good decisions on how/when to use util, move or shoot, or play information games etcetera. You're literally just dogshit. All you have is your poopsock equipment and more grind time than other people.
>>582977194>utilthis isn't counter strike
>>582977194utility games would have you thinking thrice before shooting, idgaf about you gay faggot ass not being able to kill poopsockers despite you boasting about your fucking "skill" in every dogshit post you've vomited so far
>>582977349pffffffft lolllll
>>582975290>0 skill players>as shit as you are at vidya>Caring about muh skill in online computer games in 2026Lmao who gives a shit. It's a milsim game, not a game for little tryhard incels. It's supposed to be fun, not sweaty.
>>582976613Minor backface deformation, like that caused by 9mm probably won't kill you.
>>582977769nta; some skill floor/ceiling is needed alongside variety or you end with disposable games nobody gives a shit about because there's nothing to chase or get better at, or you end up with niggers like this boasting about throwing a billion grenades because that's all his game has
>>582975450I have literally not seen a single actual heli pilot either military or civilian praise this game's flying.
when are we getting wasteland mode
>>582978409extremely small community but ok.
>>582925378Thermals don't need to be removed they need to be made more early game, if everybody has them they are more fair
>>582940476I'm a cheap fuck so I use IEDs but yeah carrying explosives seems shockingly rare
WHAT I LEARNED IN WARDOGS IS
>>582980957Its buggy ass shit and it kills all the fun getting perma spotted by some bot nigger camping 1200m away from the zone.I refuse to believe this was the intended outcome. Otherwise we would have thermal sights on guns too.
>>582975782Tbf any aeroengie worth their salt probably isn't working for an indie bong game dev.
Every single match in the game right now is just rocket little bird/havoc spamfest. The match is decided by like six people with helicopters who go 30/0 while the rest of the server only exists to be farmed. Helis just overwhelm FoB AA defenses. Its legitimately just completely broken
>>582976523RPG will one shot little birds but it will only do like 90% dmg to black hawks. Which I think is fair because the black hawks are much less maneuverable and have limited or no offensive capability.Haven't unlocked the havoc quite yet so idk about that.
>>582983864Build able autocannon emplacement and an autocannon technical would fix that.
>>582983864Buy a truck full of stingers and farm them.
>>582984109We really just need AA that actually works thats not tied to FoBs. Right now the only AA option that isn't tied to an FoB is horrible (the disposable AA missile launcher). Sure you can hit them with an RPG but its not reliable. There's also the problem that you can place a CWIS and a couple of talons in a FoB, but unless someone mans them for the entire match helis can just ambush the FoB and destroy them before anyone gets to use them to take it down. And you just can't expect people to willingly just sit there manning AA for the entire game, its retarded. And when the FoB dies, it basically becomes impossible to stop the heli reign of terror
>>582983864>if you don't have 2 CWISes and a couple AA launchers ready and manned 24/7 you will get farmed by a single havoc for 30 minutes straightyeah
>>582983864Don't have this problem. Maybe it's cause I'm not a shitter that sucks at rpg aim like you.
>>582984286Even if that works (which in my experience is a mixed bag), it shouldn't require me to die, respawn, and dedicate thousands of dollars of my money to maybe counter a single heli, while that heli has, for minimal investment, managed to kill my entire team. I'm genuinely just tired of hunting helis every single match, because it feels like if i don't do it, nobody gets to play. AA defenses are just extremely bad in this game
By the way another sad thing about the helis being so comically overpowered is that ground vehicles are completely useless in this game. Nobody uses humvees anymore after the match hits 20 points because they just get farmed by helis. The very few times i've seen a tank it just got blown up by a heli within seconds of arriving in the battlefield.
>they let airfags win
>>582983864RocketBird is kinda shit unless you're hunting SPHs or APCs, and even then it's not super profitable as there is a limited number of targets, so you will spend a lot of time just flying back and forth accomplishing nothing, as the thing only has a few minutes worth of fuel.Going after infantry or trucks will typically barely cover the cost of ammo and flares.
How they even fix the AA and AT tank kit issueFundamentally it's just never the financially or strategically correct decision to bring them in an infantry kit. So heavy that it makes regular HZ play 3x as dangerous since you can't easily maneuver from cover to cover. In AAs case, straight up ineffective. Verbas are basically worthless now that pilots bring loadsaflares and know now to hit them until they hear the missile. For AT, unless you get the drop on them they'll likely just drive away before you can get the kill. Which you could call a win, but you still lose money.On top of all that, you can't really buy them proactively anyway because there's no guarantee you'll even need themYou're better off just eating the cost of the occasional tank/havoc death and hoping your fobbits take care of them somebow
>>582986050Yeah, currently you need to die to a heli, give up the value of your current kit, respawn in base, but a truck, fill it with several verbas, drive back to the zone, MAYBE kill the heli, then if it works you need to die agian so you can go back and get your kit again, by which time the heli will have respawned. Its completely retarded
Ah yes I love getting killed by the suspiciously not-chineese player with 200 ping through smoke in 0.5 secondsfucking region lock these subhumans there's a reason they don't even play on their own servers.
>"game is ArmA KotH">all maps are forests ???
>>582986896you are now banned from the discord and subreddit for a week for having the same factual opinion of thousands of other people
>play like you used to>no redist server binaries>no mod supportbf4 tierSAD
>>582986896the t4 bino sees through smoke. Someone likely spotted you and the rest is history.
>>582964108I know that you are full of shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ZbqwZWaF8
>>582925378What caused gold bar prices to go down so dramatically?
>>582981475KEK
>>582981475I learned that I hate China
>>582987410why isn't china routinely rangebanned from most games is baffling to meah yes,>moneymy bad
>>582981940>Otherwise we would have thermal sights on guns tooThey probably don't want to add thermal sights until they improve the thermal mechanics to be more than just people having a filter on them, other sources of fire and shit don't show up
This time I leveled everything, but that probably isn't the play going forward if you want to buy gold bars. If you focus on one tree you don't have to spend so much on unlocking every single item.
>>582989854you're not suppose tot. the devs
>>582986050They might be able to address it with the skill system. Like as you level up your rocket skill or whatever the weight penalty becomes lower.Carrying them into the HZ is probably always going to be a liability though.
>We noticed players hated going into a season being out geared and feeling useless>We'll add yet another grindy system on top to make them feel extra uselessThe skill system is the most retarded thing ever and doesn't belong into this fucking genre i dont know what they are thinking.
This base had everything, The new meta corners that let you peak, anti air, bunkers. Just a perfect construction besides the fact anyone could walk on top of their triple air locked door.
>>582977769>It's a milsim game, not a game for little tryhard incels.Sure look, I'd be ok with that, but 4 headshots from point blank with 5.56 AP rounds to kill someone with a 4 helmet isn't even close to milsim territory. Nor is 5 FMJ headshots, nor 24 hollow-point headshots. It's not fun. And the underlying problem that drives it is shoehorning in having almost no recoil and obscenely high TTKs to force the game to be a grindy-MMO shooter so that armor is always a bigger factor than aim or skill.>>582978118>or you end up with niggers like this boasting about throwing a billion grenades because that's all his game hasYou are a clueless nigger. You couldn't handle the mechanics or decision making required for ten minutes in any competitive PUBG lobby. If you think it's ezpz low skill floor nade spam then grab three friends and go and win a million dollars at the PUBG Global Championship in 2 months time.
>>582988529fixing the cash farming mechanics
>>582984109>Build able autocannon emplacement and an autocannon technical would fix that.What do you think a CIWS is exactly? It's a 20mm autocannon with a huge radar on top.
>Just build a tent to counter the ir thermal bwoIT DOESNT WORKYOU CAN STILL GET SPOTTED INSIDE THE TENTYOU'RE STILL VISIBLE IN THE TENT AND HAVE GIANT WHITE GLOW ASS SHIT THROUGH ITIT DOESNT FUCKING WORK
>>582925756Maybe it's the real reason why Tencent backed away from it. They've done so many investments in game companies, probably had a hunch after working a while with that retard
>try to play in OCE servers on my day off>something like 10 servers in a row where either there was a group of hackers on one team locking onto my upper torso and head>Or option 2, one team has a thermal crate down and pushing anything is completely impossible and gameplay is complete shitThis game seriously is 1-2 weeks from death.
why is there so much racism and toxicity on voice chat. are devs actually going to enforce their tos or naw im tired of being called a "nigger rat" on orox chat or nigger in general
>>582992540I watched that video too and it does works when he scoots 2 feet to his right.
>>582994198Have you tried not sounding like a nigger?
>>582925756He's a man with the vision. Talks a lot. Says very little.Gives me the Elmo impression where he just pretends to know how video games work because he's the CEO of a company that made the game.
>>582994198US servers be like?In EU all I get is Russian slurs. And those don't really bother me.
>>582965464speaking from battlefield experience, attack copter seal clubbing only happens if one team is completely retarded and refuse to switch engineer to spam rockets in the air. Even the most pro chopper pilot will eat shit when half the enemy team starts firing back with both guided and unguided rockets. But in Wardogs, we can't just "switch to engineer". There are two checks for every player:1) does the player have the weapon unlocked?2) is the player capable and willing to pay for the rockets? For a lot of casual players, the answer is no.
>>582964395i share this exact sentimentdevs can get good rep by saying based things for a certain amount of time, but it's always a ticking time bomb
>>582994198lol faggot
It's worse than that though, because once a team has attack helis or mortars up and firing at a fob, there's genuinely zero chance of getting a tomahawk up.RPGs are a fucking crapshoot because of the crazy low RPG projectile speed, shooting the pilot is equally frustrating, And verbas are single-use only by design. The Verba issue is the big one. A heli can technically have >20 flares on them for use against a once-a-life counter that needs 15?16? support to unlock.
>>582997013>a tomahawkA what nigger?
>>582997013meant for >>582996371
>>582997013>when the raping starts there's little way to stop itpretty much
>>582997114>>582997013FUCK. I mean a Talon, the buildable anti-air.
>>582981475Never to waste my money or time on another shooter until there is a serious, consistent solution to cheating.Imagine how many IPs have died so far because a studio didn't want to hire semi-pro FPS players to work remote at minimum wage and just do what the valve overwatch system does, with a quota or something. That, or having community moderation with tempbanning. It's all it realistically takes. Every automated system to date has either been a scam, or exploitably flawed.
An almost creative solution to an easy problem
>down 90k>server is full of chink dog eaters>squad keeps dying to impossible shots>whole chat all game is noodle lettersholy fuck can they please fix this
>>582997878there would be no cheats if fags didn't unironically pay for that shit
>>582998841You're simply never going to convince a KFC manager or trade worker with sub 100iq not to engage in P2W or RMT(including buying cheats). The only solution to date is well-trained moderation.
>>582996371T. Long time battlefield playerIm always the one who has to switch to engineer because the recons and assaults never do. And I agree with the sentiment and its something on my mind too ever since game launch. If battlefield players who get the rocket launcher for free barely do it, why would someone risk their real account value to do so?Theres the two options:A. Make certain AA ridiculously overtuned and hope that people use it. A Talon Emplacement with 2 pallets of ammo placed on a hill outside zone will have 80~ rockets meaning it will probably last all game if uncontested. Very little cost comparatively and very effective. But it requires you to build a base, and sit outside zone all game which will give you very little cash and xp and is super boring.B. Make the rewards for inzone AA extremely high and hope that people realise and hunt for it. Little birds I don't think give a lot, but havoc kills give you around 16k. Its so lucrative that you can even ram them with blackhawks and still profit. A MAAWS or RPG with ammo won't cost more than 5k, and can triple your return even with misses. But then once you kill it, you're stuck lugging around a useless piece of kit unless even more helicopters show up. Or what if a teammate shoots it down before you? Now you're overweight and 5k in the hole.Both of these are in the game right now but the air dominance is clear that its not working right. Maybe in the next 2 weeks it might get better in terms of community behaviour. The havocs and rocket helis can't get any stronger, but players can get smarter.We will have to see.
>NA west chat
>>582997894I fucking hate those stupid tank traps. Fobbits love building them around the base thinking theyre safe from vehicles, but then people just climb on the tank traps and jump over. Barbed wire is better in ever way, the only reason to place tank traps is if you have double high walls and you're really really worried about the enemy using a defender URAL (literally never happens)
>>583000520The biggest problem with barbed wire is that blows away in the breeze when mortars start falling. The hedgehogs on the other hand are basically mortar proof; although they obviously do fucking nothing besides get in the way of the team that built them 95% of the time.
>>582965623Galil is fine but the actual problem with the weapons are attachments. Higher levels unlock better attachments that make your weapons control much better which adds up with the issue that the better guns are also at higher levels. You can make AK be decent with higher level attachments but why would you if you can just use M4.
>>582986050These issues have been solved in other games by limiting powerful unlocks by time, cooldown or cost, which this game does none of (20 tickets is fucking piss).
>>582977769This is about as milsim as fucking modern Battlefield. Planetside 2 is more milsim than this shit. You haven't played a milsim in your life if you think this is anything other than arcadey cod/bflife.
>Go out with just a rangefinder to do some spotting>Loot teammates kit when I can before reviving them>They either get mad in chat or follow me into the woods for a little chatI hope they never limit stealing, its been a great way to spice up the roundhttps://streamable.com/9svr8s
>this>die to another china cheater right after I make it outyeah im done
>>583001762you sound like a massive faggot which is par for the course for this behavior lmao
>>582925756>Think brammer has matured and learned from his mistakes with battalion 1944>early access comes>nothing but twitter charades and streamer clout chasingHow does he manage to trick people a 2nd time?
>>583002469>Think brammer has matured and learned from his mistakes with battalion 1944>How does he manage to trick people a 2nd time?Because I've never heard of Battalion 1944 and he tricked me for the first time this time. Zero chance I ever trust this loser again.
>>583000384>>582996371Remove replace lock warning for IR missiles with MAWS alert. Remove IR lock floor. Reduce flare cost to $50 and remove cooldown. Add NO's countermeasure system where flaring before launch will cause missile to (usually) never track, but flaring after launch requires many flares to break the lock depending on range and aspect (which is still very generous vs an imaging IR sensor). Then remove the extreme gameyness from the flight model so that an experienced pilot like me can't ignore physics to make helicopters act like grasshoppers and meme on people, which will coincidentally dry up the extreme oversupply of pilots. I would also make helicopters massively more expensive and make 20mm instantly eat them again.I write all of this as someone who can clean up a server without dying in a rocket LB or a Havoc.
>>582996371>pay for the rocketsless about the moneymore about the weightthis shit is 17kg and completely useless without a heli overheadand if you miss, well you're fucked, this aint a bf you can't just sit on an ammo bag to get more shots off
>>583004554>my solution is to make sure no one but me can fly but also make me invincible >:)hire this man
It's funny how this game highlights the biggest issues of capitalism.>people don't want to teamplay because it's more value to be a selfish nigger like just bringing worthless pallets over and over>instead of fighting over objective(s) some nigger buys a 75% crate full of thermals and other retard shit that makes people just afk the whole gameThe game has so many issues in general from balancing pov but the game is fundamentally broken because everything runs around persisent cash.
>watching video>apparently if you shoot someone in heavy armor 3 times in the leg with HPs they're toast>calling it an exploit and saying the devs should fix it
>>583007318just make winning better than like 20-30k of cash on averageit does give bonus exp too already, but not enough to matter either
>join red at start>niggers buy 4 spg>rejoin blue>stingray base and blow all 4Artyniggers get the rope
>>583001983friend how do you not recognize the problem here and alter courseclearly there *is* a wall there that for, whatever reason, your client doesn't think is there. it's not an unusual bug as far as game networking goes. from the server's perspective (i.e. what everyone else would see) you are just running into the wallrule of thumb, in any game, if you rubberband in a way that has cause-and-effect like this, there's something there that is intangible to you but real for everyone else>>583007647lolwat. what a goofy fella, i've heard people talking about "leg meta" from week 1HP ammo can delete people if you hit limbs. catch is, you have to hit limbs. and they don't. it's only good if you can control the terms of engagement or if for gambling at center-mass, fishing for arm hits
>>583007305>also make me invinciblewut
>call a player named Jeffrey Epstein a nigger in local>he gets offended and leaves the matchWhat is this mental illness?
>>583009750people are more offended by racism than pedophilia and rape
>>582994832>>582996617everytime a chud calls me a nigger,faggot,retard or any other slur or brown i report them for verbal abuse. say bye bye to your $40 chuds
>>583011216I do this too. I don't even mind the word but I do enjoy knowing that they might get penalized for it
>>583007318>funny how this game highlights the biggest issues of capitalism.What problem of capitalism do you even think it's highlighting? Your post doesn't even seem to describe one.>>583007843Make the cash you bring in from the outside "reliable cash" and money earned in game "unreliable cash" a la dota's reliable vs unreliable gold. Buying most items always consumes unreliable money first if it's available, and only dips into reliable money if you can't cover the buy with unreliable.At the end of the game, players cash out their unreliable cash into reliable cash according to the following formula:placement_bonus*unreliable_cash*(tickets/100)Where placement_bonus is 2/1.5/1 for 1st/2nd/3rd.Coming 3rd with 0 tickets means lose all the cash you earned that game anyway, so you'd better spend and attempt a comeback it to avoid getting stomped. Coming 3rd with 98 points would be worth 98% as much as currently. Coming 2nd with 66 points would be worth 99% (67 points would be 100.5%) as much cash as now. Winning would always be worth twice as much as it's currently worth.And remove teamswapping. Leaving a game in progress would result in no payout of unreliable cash until the round ends.There Brammercuck, I fixed 1/3 of the problems with your dogshit game.
>>583011093Wild
>>583009684>before launch will cause missile to (usually) never track, but flaring after launch requires many flares to break the lock >BUT make flares cost 94% less and remove CD so you can just spam them anyway
>>583012585the flare inventory is limited
>>583009684nta but...>Reduce flare cost to $50 and remove cooldown.
>>583011216>his little weewee gets hard from reporting bad wordies that hurts his feefeeGood thing nobody will get banned from your report. You really think they care to review every report made by a stupid fag like you?
>>583009750That's a genuine question you have? You have to ask how ironically donning the name of an iconic elite pedophile, who may or may not have been murdered by another elite pedophile, is different from directly calling someone a slur? Yare yare daze... at least in this instance you're both cut from the same intellectual cloth.Besides the obvious, he could be a Twitch streamer who doesn't know how to mute people.>>583011093I don't know, I think if you raped someone's wife or child they wouldn't be particularly happy about it either, to say the least. Much like how they aren't particularly happy to be directly insulted. I needn't state that they aren't comparable in scale, obviously.>>583011216The performative "edginess" of these players is so embarrassing. Half the spawns full of "get in faggots, get in niggers, get in pussies, get in retards." Oh dear, oh heavens, how shocking. And how brave, how daring; so le based! Libtards destroyed, an upvote to you good sir! I tip my hat to thee. That's the level of cringe I feel when I hear their role-playing.
>>583012995Niggercoded post
>>583013304Oh dear, oh heavens, how shocking.
>>583012187>>583012995people who yell slurs toward strangers need to grow up yall wouldnt do this to somebody irl>>583012793cant wait to see posts here, /v/ and reddit about "say word money stolen" :)
>>583012264>placement_bonus*unreliable_cash*(tickets/100)>get stomped on initial push>entire team leavesthat's the most retarded shit you could've came up with
>>583001008pssshlet me tell you a secretyou can place it ANYWHERE
>>583007318listen flipping options is a valuable contribution to the society, it's risk arbitrage, I EARNED those millions
If fobs had a little cash ticker like the CZ for people inside them plus a bonus for killing someone in or near it as fob defense, would people then actually defend fobs, build real defenses and man emplacements to shoot down aircraft? Would even a little extra cash flow make it viable to build fobs outside the CZ where you can exert pressure without immediately getting raped by mortars?
>>583007843multipliermake winning a multiplier of cash and exp
>>583014571Maybe, I don't know. A lot of my friends simply just get bored and walk at the circle.
>>583014571People already sit in FOBs all fucking game. The issue is that it's way easier to shit on people in a heli than to counter it. This issue is compounded by the money economy where if this was an actual team based game with victory on line the logi people would bring supply crates with maaws and aa, instead they don't because it's not worth it. This is a battlefield clone for retards.
>>583014760>People already sit in FOBs all fucking gameit's the most efficient way to level up support so can't really blame them. RPG is shit and sometimes you can go all game without finding a good target for it, and shotguns and lmg are not ideal for fighting at all because they're so situational. So sitting and shitting in a FOB it is until I get the MAAWS
>>583014760>People already sit in FOBs all fucking game.But they're either retards who don't have guns or retards sniping at fuckers everywhere but approaching the base. My hope is that adding a base defense bonus might encourage people to actually try to defend it. Then the desire to defend it would force the fobbits to actually build drills as a way to lure people in for the kill. Or something like that.
>>583015436No, all it would do would make more people sit there being worthless niggers. People always gravitate towards the most efficient ways of playing.
>retarded man is even more retarded than previously thought possiblehttps://www.gamesradar.com/games/fps/wardogs-boss-says-games-need-to-cost-more-and-gta-6-shouldve-been-the-game-to-make-the-change/
>>583012782>>583012585You need to read further past that. You would need to be spending $200/s to be "immune" and you'd run out of flares in less than 30 seconds.
bob the builders are the most useless motherfuckers in this game especially when they stay dead and dont give up when there's nobody within over a 100m radius to revive them
>>583013749You are actually too dumb to comprehend it. Nevermind loser.
ONE infantry only seever in the entirety of EU.The devs should do something extremely fast or the casuals will just up and leave.
man this game turned dogshit so fucking fast
>>583016581It seems like you've mixed this website up with your person blog. No one cares about your stream of consciousness rambling. Stfu.
>>58301646030 seconds of immunity is a long time and richfags are more than willing to pay 200 dollars per second if they have the opportunity to farm a few squads of people within that timeframe. Having no cooldown on flares would be stupidly OP.
>>583016581I dont respawn because a full wipe means heli spam. At that point it doesnt matter.
>>583016601>tickets dictate wins>Coming 3rd with 0 tickets means lose all the cash you earned that game anywaythanks for being a faggot on top of a retard
>>583016719kill yourself bob the builder retard
>>583016581Bobs can literally win you the game by pulling zone and keep the enemy from doing it. Agree with the second part. Some people will leave the PC and go to the store while waiting for a revive. I also see HZ chasers do the same. I've seen 10 dudes in the middle of the map just lay there and be completely useless for 5-10 minutes straight. Not a soul within hundreds of meters who can revive them. And for some reason the game rewards this behavior by giving them money. Some "waited for revive" bonus.
>>583016730Richfags can't even flare all the way to the circle under this model, and anyway, the actual lock probability is not 0 but 1/(1+number of active flares in seeker cone), I just didn't elaborate because I though people would be able to google the details of how a named system works before giving opinions about it.
>>583016642It's way more obvious in infantry server when someone's aimbotting and there's a lesser ability to claw your way to a win with game mechanics. Infantry servers sound good to noobs on paper, but in practice, kinda not the case.
>>583016835Yeah. Get the fuck out of the game if you aren't going to try to win and think you have no chance. It's that simple. Do you get it yet, you fucking retard? People shouldn't be compelled or incentivised to sit around getting farmed.
>>583017141>losing team just leaves making it a 33v33v0thanks for confirming, shit for brains.
>>583016972I'm not a bob the builder. I just don't give a shit what you think, because your opinions are worthless drivel and you post like this is literally your blog. All of your posts are so boring, spiteful and vapid. Turn on a trip so you can be filtered at least.
>>583017141There is a reason why every single game for past 20+ years has incorporated comeback mechanics. It's because it's a good idea to give the losing team a chance to come back, not stomp them into the ground. This game already has the most retarded progression out of any non-chink FPS with completely retarded, insanely high vertical high power spikes. Punishing the losing team for losing even more does not incentivize them to play better you stupid fucking nigger, it makes them stop playing and quit. Good lord how the fuck do some of you even manage to breathe let alone type out a paragraph that's legible.
>>583017327dont reply to me again, i dont give a fuck about a 1 kill per 5 minute gameplay nigger like you thinks
>>583017229Losing team won't if they're already scoring points, but theybsute will if it's going to be a 0 100 stomp, which is objectively the correct incentive structure. Setting game modes up to encourage players to be farmed by sweats while doing boring, repetitive and counterproductive shit to grind is gross and hoses over anyone on a losing team who wants to play the game. If you can't see why that is, then I'm sorry but you're actually a fucking retard and your life is going nowhere fast.
>>583016998It doesn't matter if the lock probability is technically above 0. It's a matter of; is the game fun or not. There's a pretty fucking good reason games have flare cooldowns. I shouldn't have to explain it.
>>583017581Turn on a tripcode so you can be filtered, you talentless monkey. If you want to blog then fuck off to Twitter. Your posts are gay.
>>583016668The BIG changes coming with season 2 will save it
>>583017858stfu, i would legit kill you irl
>>583017792>There's a pretty fucking good reason games have flare cooldowns.Literally no good games have flare cooldowns. Zero. Games have flare cooldowns because they make flares a get out of jail free card. Games that balance flares properly don't need a cooldown because their scarcity and ineffectiveness vs already fired missiles balance them plenty. You would know this if you had ever played any such game.
>>583012995You type like a fag, and your shits all retarded
>>583017640>game about 3 teams fighting>the losing team is punished for placing last not only because of multipliers but also because of the ticket system>having less tickets is EXPONENTIALLY punished to where it's not worth being in the match at all>it is now a game about 2 teams fightingget a load of this nigger not understanding basic bitch "least path of resistance" psychology
>>583017941You could try. Do you feel like a big guy now? For you, I'll keep on posting. Where's your tripcode, cuck?
>>583018260don't care and you didnt deny being a 1 kill per 5 min gameplay faggotlike i said, i would kill you in real life
>>583018191>EXPONENTIALLYYou failed high school maths, didn't you? Did you even finish high school? You didn't... Did you?
>>583018142>You would know this if you had ever played any such game.What is this great game you speak of...
>>583018468>mathskys euronigger
>>583018468you suck cock on the regular, don't you? Do you usually swallow? You don't... do you?
>>583018468>semanticslol, lmao
>>583018327Why would I justify myself to someone who sulks because they can't land a helicopter and makes empty death threats on the internet? My kpm and kd are almost certainly higher than yours, but I don't care. I care that you're a fucking idiot who blogs on 4chan, and that all your posts are boring and stupid. Turn on a tripcode so that no one has to listen to your ass opinions.
why is this brown nigger who gets 1 kill every 5-10 mins still replying? it is not a death threat, it is a promise
>>583017941>>583018327adorable
>>583018635Pretty much any flight sim basically works that way vs IIR seekers, but I was thinking of Nuclear Option for most of this conversation. If you haven't played it, you absolutely should, it's fucking sick. Should have a new update pretty soon too.
>>583016601i don't know dog it seems like a pretty bad incentive. literally "the beatings will continue until morale improves"any time you think your team's victory is unlikely there'd be very little incentive to do anything but stop competing. why would you spend more money and redouble your efforts when your influence is already so highly diluted that the outcome would be more-or-less the same?anyways regardless of that it works against the fundamental sandbox concept of the game (in favor of pushing a singularly competitive focus) so it's a non-starter>>583017141>>583017640ah. so you're not really interested in solving any problems, you just want to compel others to play the game in one singular way that aligns with your autistically narrow vision of it?since when do villains-of-the-week roam this thread. sounding like that one nigga who just wants to turn people into dinosaurs
what about this game has made me uninstall and reinstall it 3 times? I just want to fuck around and goof off but it's harder than it should be
>>583018923>it is not a death threat, it is a promiseDo it faggot. Get in your car right now and meet me out the back of McDonalds in the carpark. Bring mouthwash so you can get the taste of my dick out of your mouth when we're done.
>internet tough guys pretending to be dangerous and seriousare you guys literally twelve
>>583018954that explains why your ideas are so insane. You see Wardogs from a flight sim perspective. The average player trying to enjoy being infantry. Seeing a helicopter spam flares for 10 seconds straight would have people uninstall and never return.
this 1 kill per 5-10 min guy is so mad lol, your stats would be inferior to mine if this game had a tracker.gg
>>583018158A good reference made all the more amusing by the fact that you mirror the line's speaker. Truly a stellar performance, bravo.
>buy kit-$8000>buy truck $2000>buy 8 verbas $6400Total $16400>buy havoc $16000Total $18000Make it make sense. Once you have the Havoc unlocked there is absolutely no reason to ever not be in one.
>>583019787>buy kit-$8000what kind of a shit kit is that, a normal kit is ~15-20k nowadays
>>583019940if you're going stinger-trucking you don't need a 20k kit
>>583020006fair but at that point i'd just get a completely meme kit and grab something later at the CZ off a corpse
>>583019032>why would you spend more money and redouble your efforts when your influence is already so highly diluted that the outcome would be more-or-less the same?Because the money is forfeit anyway if you don't. If you spend it and your gamble pays off then you've won your double or nothing anyway. Right now the incentive is to stop playing the game and go and fuck around in a truck or with binoculars.>so you're not really interested in solving any problems, you just want to compel others to play the game in one singular way that aligns with your autistically narrow vision of it?Not at all. It solves the problem of grinding being too slow and boring and winning/losing/team performancd not economically mattering. The average payout per game under this structure is far higher than now, since the winning team (with the most cash paid out, and thus the largest share of the net total cash in a server) gets their cash payout guaranteed doubled. So you start, by default, at >2 current average team shares of payout, and work up from there. The worst case scenario is >2/3 of the current payout, and in the best case the payout is >446% of the current payout, and teams with low expected payouts can spend in the current game anyway and not lose any cash (ie they make use of the cash they would have lost even if they still lose).It solves the problem of the game's economy being decoupled from playing the game, as opposed to avoiding the game to repeat an arbitrary and uninteractive task
>>583019315>machenko
>>583019262I'm not lol, I'm making fun of this pavement ape's chest puffing. It's a lot of fun.>>583019315What games do you even play on tracker.gg? And where's your tripcode, loser?
1 kill per 5-10 min gameplay nigger thinks he is not mad
>>583019283It would be incredibly easy to kill helicopters under this system. Far, far easier than now. At the ranges in Wardogs you would be a free kill 90% of the time if you didn't see the launch and have an object to put between you and the missile, and you wouldn't even make it to the circle constantly flaring, whereas in the current system you are 100% safe all the time if you are not literally retarded. I could just repeat myself restating it again, but you should just go and play a game like NO and see why.
>>582986050The fix is simple but for some reason no game ever does it.Flares should not work 100% of the time. Even if you time it perfectly, it should only have a say 60% (number to be balanced) chance of evading the missile. The Verpa is literally made specifically to defeat countermeasures, it should not instantly lose to them.
This is the same sperg who defends Bummer and the atrocious XP grind btw.
not your thread enemy schizo
>>583020935Flares should work 1/(1+num active flares) of the time if used before a launch and about 5% of the time per flare if used after a launch. IR seekers still have reasonable trouble locking a target with flares about, but once they have a lock flares are very ineffective at shaking them.
>>583020935RNG is fucking awful way to balance anything and it's only gachaniggers who think this is a good mechanic. Fuck off.
>>583021054Yeah 100%. He's the warehouse salt-miner. I'd put money on it.>>583021112>>583020583Where's your tripcode, loser, and what games do you have stats on tracker.gg for? I bet you're dogshit.
>>583021253I bet you defend randomised recoil amounts and patterns. I'm right, aren't I? You don't think every spray should be completely deterministic, do you?
yeah i would legitimately kill this anon and his family irl like how i farm him in the game
>>583021552Turn on a tripcode buddy. What games are you on tracker.gg for? I bet you're some 2kd scrublord in some super easy game like CoD or BF.
>>583021680eat shit and die brown retard
We've somehow gotten to the point that people are now defending memorizing spray patterns as good play
>>583021510Yeah having a deterministic pattern (which this game has btw) with randomness deviation is completely the same thing as your defensive just not working randomly, good comparison retard. Maybe we should add jam chance to guns people love that mechanic after all, which is why everyone dumpsters their guns in Tarkov the moment they go below 93% dur.
>>583021825As opposed to random deviation?
>>583021218That could be reasonable I guess I just think that the problem is since for some fucking reason you can't lock on to someone at low altitude everyone would just dive to reset lock and not actually flare.>>583021253The alternative to RNG is actually coding the IR seeker like From the Depths. The reality would be flares would be almost useless, like they are IRL, unless combined with extreme maneuvering. You drop flares, immediately drop altitude and change trajectory HARD, or they do literally nothing. This would mean even just threatening a lock causes like 80% of pilots to crash on the spot.
>>583022203>This would mean even just threatening a lock causes like 80% of pilots to crash on the spot.and that's a good thing.I can't wait to get my hands on the Gepard
>>583021735What game, kiddo? I bet it's not even a competitive game. I bet it doesn't even have a ranked mode or SBMM.>>583021847>which this game has btwNo it doesn't lol. I think it's fine btw.
>>583022595>No it doesn't lol. I think it's fine btw.https://metaforge.app/wardogs/database/weapons/super-45
The devs are copping out so hard with this 'sandbox' excuse that it's questionable why they even wanted to make a game at all. It's going to be so funny watching this game whittle down to the point where the only people left playing are all 'that' type of personality.
>>583022595you are definitely low iq if you cant discern the game from the stats itself, like actually kill yourself, you would be doing the world a favor
>>583000452MOONCHILD SPOTTED
>>583021847To elaborate further on>>583022595, it's barely RNG because it forces you to play in ways that let you break the lock without needing the flares, since you will run out too fast to get anything done of you're relying on them. The entire point is that flares are a proactive extra layer of flawed protection to the defensive flying you're already doing, instead of a get out of jail free card that lets you fly anywhere and do anything no matter how retarded it is.
>>583022373Except it's not a good thing actually because that lock comes in literally milliseconds. IRL the reason MANPADs don't instantly gank all helicopters is that they just stay out of range. Also, IRL Verpas have to be shot within like a minute of activating them or the coolant dies and you need a new one (coolant tank, not missile).The reality is the map is too small to allow helicopters to fight are realistic ranges--they normally are 5+ kilometeres away because if they get closer the MANPADs WILL absolutely fuck them over. Even with that range, MANPADs are the leading cause of helicopter destruction. Verpas against a flaring target have a 80% kill rate, but that drops to like 40% in combat situations because soldiers are shooting at copters well beyond the intended range of the missile--and STILL getting huge numbers of kills.
>>583022595this is embarrassing, and your need to defend yourself using this is even more embarrassing. no wonder this game has turned to shit, it's full of grown adults who actually care about video game performance.paaaaaathetic
>>583022694The website is slop hallucinations as far as "patterns" are concerned. Open the game in fmodel and check how it generates recoil: It does it using UE richcurves, scalar magnitudes and decays and no patterns.
yeah it was fun flaming the 1 kill per 5-10 min gameplay retard and no i will never put a trip because you are a shitter retard nigger
>>583022782You are bad at video games, and only even get positive KD because you play low-skill games against players who aren't even trying while you sweat buckets. You've probably never played a competitive game or even a ranked mode in your life. Certainly you've never played to a respectable rank like GE on CS, Radiant in Val or Master in PUBG. You're literal dogshit, child.
>>583023257>>583023160Why do you samefag so much? Is that why you won't trip up and get filtered?
lmfao this guy thinks battle royale takes skill
>>583023876I played the 2019 Modern Warfare Warzone a lot and I'm a total fucking grandpa with my reflexes when it comes to online shooters, and I placed in top 3 regularly just because I knew how to play the environment and positioning instead of being skilled at shooters. Never won a game though because the final 1v1 in a small as fuck circle is what always got me killed
>>583022595>>583023037>>583023807Thank god we don't have morons like this in charge of balancing this game.
>>583023160shhhhh lol
>>583023876hmmmmm >>583023876
so mad cuz bad because he thinks i am the same anon as the other guy that he clicked on my post number twicelike i said, kill yourself mr 1 kill every 5-10 minute retard. i would min ttk you every time
Sure thing buddy. Can you screenshot the results on your liquipedia page for me real quick.
>>583024276No, the helicopter guy is right. Our 230k player arma-battlefield game should copy the mechanics of the 800 player flight sim game. Honestly you should have to prove you have a helicopters licensee in real life before you are allowed to even buy one in game.
>>583025198>yes we need to remove all escapism from videogames and make it so that poor people are poor in game as well while rich just keep getting richer
>>583025338Yes? I hate brokies.
>>583025198It's genuinely fantastic and you should try it. Notwithstanding datalink and LOAL missiles, helicopters are far less survivable in it than in this game, but also 99999% more fun to fly. Nuclear Option will be going strong and growing long after there are no servers for Wardogs.It's not even a game for flight sim nerds. It's just a fucking great game.
>>583025416So do I, in fact I think everyone who got robbed by rich jew billionaires should be outright killed
>>583025198To be fair, This only got big because EFT and Arc raiders both imploded under the weight of cheating so hard that every match was almost guaranteed to have a cheater.It was nice for a few weeks, but the trajectory is pretty fucking obvious at this point.I full expect there to be maybe 2000 players remaining ~2 months from now, after the next patch fails to address the elephant in the room and introduces some retarded gameplay design no one asked for while fixing nothing.
Why Wardogs? Why not Warcats?
>>583025681Not readily trainable. Not even really domesticated, certainly none of the big ones that would be useful for it.
>>583025681Warcats is reserved for the inevitable Arma 4 remake, which fixes everything and hilariously ends up burying this game.
>>583025681they aint got that dawg in 'em
>>583025681I think it looks more like a Warpuma.
How are people broke in this game? I mainly play infantry (before they put in infantry only in the recent update) with most of my levels being in Assault and Medic. My kit costs minimum $12K. Are people just dying over and over buying expensive shit?
Watched this video on the CEO's twitter and thought I would summarise it for people who are lazy or hate Joe's stupid mug.>Plan is for seasons to get longer each time. First 1 month, then a few months and longer and longer. Didnt mention wipeless.>Right now the control zone only moves a little in a direction on the same map. There are even crazier positions in the dev files, but they made it too unfair apparently.(Maybe they can move more of the zone placements south to help blue)>Patch to increase mortar ammo consumption to make them less OP. No time said, probably season 2>He thinks lvl 4 armor is too strong, endgame isnt very good>Devs mainly played Arma KOTH in infantry mode, they added armed vehicles to open up more gameplay options but theyre disappointed how it turned out.>But they don't want to cap vehicles or anything like that because it kills creativity and makes every match the same like in Battlefield.>They knew the lategame wouldn't be very good, but it actually took longer than they expected for the lategame to arrive. They expected a (tarkov like) 3 days of fun before people got all the OP stuff and fun decreased, but it lasted about 10 days instead.>When devs talk about mimicking old school battlefield, they mean Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, they think Battlefield 4 is when they started killing the old sandbox battlefield and smoothing down the edges to appeal to the COD audience.>They acknowledge and they knew ahead of time that infantry gameplay wouldn't be as cash rewarding as other roles, but theyre trying to figure out how to balance it without buffing the other roles at the same time.>They want to set up some kind of streamer tournament or something to get clips and have a cool event similar to counter strike tournaments. (But they literally admit that the game is unbalanced by its very nature, The Finals tried to chase the competitive crowd as well and that didn't fucking work because the game is uncompetitive)
Part 2>Theyre banking hard on the permanent progression stuff thats upcoming like the runescape-like skill trees. He says some things will be kneecapped to push the skill tree usage more. Examples given are reducing the gun up tactical sprint duration, and putting the increase behind a skill. Also making it so you have to use skill points to stay scoped in while rechambering on bolt actions.>Theres a third progression aspect beyond cash and XP called INTEL, which will be used in things like the Gunsmith.(Gunsmith was mentioned in a previous podcast appeareance. Its pretty much finished, was done by an outside contractor for like 500k, but theyre trying to find a way to slot it into the games progression)>Gunsmith mentions modifying the basic parts of a weapon, the weapons are meant to be more of a "platform" that you customise.(He doesnt mention any specifics, but im assuming it would be things like changing the stock of the default AK for an AKS foldable wireframe, or changing to a modernised handguard, things like that)(No mention if the gunsmith and intel is part of the wipe or permanent progression though)>Doubles down admitting the endgame sucks.>He says the progression also sucks because theres too much "nothingness". Things like the gunsmith are supposed to help by giving you more stuff to unlock.>He says getting rank 100 in every role is not intended. You're supposed to just pick a path and when it wipes, you try something else.>He admits his twitter posting and communication has had negative consequences (comparing himself to Trump with his erratic posting)>He says they thought the game would have 30k peak and settle at 5-10k average by October. (He previously in the video mentioned that they talk about the player numbers not just to be able to humblebrag, but because every new game has people obsessed with player numbers, and they wanted to get ahead of that and try to counter it)>Mentions that theyre hiring more QA testers soon.
>>583026752You all hate on him but you all seem to forget that this is his game and we all gave him money for it.
>>583026752>>583026924My own thoughts were in brackets but just some extra.The video was filmed at 9am and you can literally see the other staff arriving for work during.Overall decent communication, the original youtubers video is dickriding really hard, so hard that even the comments were calling him out, but Joe didn't fall for it. He calls out the youtuber on certain things like the endgame being bad.He also mentions the other lead (the skinny short guy I think?) wants to be a lot more corpo and tactical with communication, but Joe prefers the casual talk more because it makes them more down to earth.
>>583026752>When devs talk about mimicking old school battlefield, they mean Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, they think Battlefield 4 is when they started killing the old sandbox battlefield and smoothing down the edges to appeal to the COD audience.Games with either no unlock system or an unlock system with no real balance implications. 2142, BF3, BC etc were fun for what they were but the unlock grind was already weighing on the the old sandbox battlefield and smoothing down the edges to appeal to the COD audience. The last Battlefield that really had that sandbox feel and wasn't an unlock slog was BF2, for all the problems it had.
>>583026924>You're supposed to just pick a path and when it wipes, you try something else.Response, "just counter it" bros?
>>583026924>Examples given are reducing the gun up tactical sprint duration, and putting the increase behind a skill.>nerf sprint duration on low tier armor for players who aren't poopsock grinders with 999999 skill points in the "running" skillThere's no way this clown is serious. No one is really as stupid as he's pretending to be. Surely.
>>583027807reminds me of Tarkov's Elite level strength dudes.You, a normal player can't sprint for long or fast and can barely jump fully geared, but the Elite lvl Str dudes are basically 247 on battle drugs AND on top of that hey can use the stims to make them fucking supermen
>>583027543>He says getting rank 100 in every role is not ntended. You're supposed to just pick a path and when it wipes, you try something else. Yeah, this doesn't sound like a sandbox to me. Locking people out of roles because they picked the wrong thing to grind a month ago just discourages experimentation, especially since the firing range is garbage so it's often impossible to know if you'll like something until you unlock it
You guys are fag crybabies. I'm having the time of my gaming life. Only not playing right now cuz stuck waging. Cope Seethe
>>583028491The very least the Firing Range should show you is the level required to unlock and the price of the gear, maybe even show you which stuff you have unlocked and/or bought already
>>583026924>Let's just port the tarkov skill system 1:1 and put important features like staying fucking scoped in after a shot behind it to make people grindis this nigger retarded?
>>583028686>leave the devs alone they are heroes and this game is a masterpiece and venting out loud is just pure hate
>>583028686Not your blog, shitter. Still waiting on your liquipedia page.
>>583028686This game needs to make it where a father of 5 children working 60 hours a week isn't having their experience ruined by no lifers.
>>583028985come on man ofcourse people who invest more time into a game are going to have an edge and more time to edge than a wagecuck
>>583028915What the fuck are you talking about, schizo?
>>583026752>They expected a (tarkov like) 3 days of fun before people got all the OP stuff and fun decreased, but it lasted about 10 days instead.>I was being retarded on purpose.Why not design a game that's not intentionally unfun for everyone after 3-10 days due to being based on poopsock grind for broken shit?
>>583029141Forgive me. Mistaken identity. Stop blogging though.
>>583029291>complains about other people blogging>blogs about his so called gaming "achievements"Take your own advice and fuck off.
>>583029572Nah.
>>583027635>>583028491Maybe I phrased it badly, but he was referring to people maximum poopsocking and getting rank 45 in a treeLevelling up a little in each tree so you have options is always going to be the best option for versatility. Adapting to each situation and match was the thesis of the original video which is also what the dev commented on. If theres a whole group deathballing the HZ, you go with them instead of begging for fobbits. And if your team is going hard on a FOB, crying about no one being in the zone instead of running logistics or transport or FOB defence or raiding enemy FOBs.
>>583029652>heOh that's what he meant was it? :/
>>583029156Thats the crux of the issue with modern games. If you don't have anything worthwhile to grind towards, people get bored and complain there's nothing to do.But if you have an important progression system, then poopsockers will rush it and ruin it for all the normal people. There's no winning.Also people talking about "why cant it be like battlefield", have you even played modern battlefield? It takes like 20 hours to max out a single gun in BF6, and thats while playing combat heavy gamemodes. Some guns are absolute garbage until you unlock certain attachments. Older battlefields were the same with tanks that absolutely raped people without the neccesary APS or armor upgrades.
>>583029817I'm just summarising the original video and the dev response dude. If you think I'm bullshitting watch it for yourself.
>>583030160>Older battlefields were the same with tanks that absolutely raped people without the neccesary APS or armor upgrades.I address this >>583027543. I don't think you need an unlock system to keep people engaged. In fact I'm completely sure you don't.
>>583030323;^)
>>583030838Oh wait, Apex kind of does. Thsy're one time only though and everyone unlocked them all years ago.
>>582981475>WHAT I LEARNED IN WARDOGS ISApparently artillery shells have a camera that follows behind them when you shoot one that shows you where it lands so you don't need to have calculus or a spotter to aim the mortar tube
>>582984109>Build able autocannon emplacementYou literally already have that, you dishonest fuck
>>582983864>Helis just overwhelm FoB AA defensesNo they don't. You're just a shitter incapable of using the RPG or the Gustav or the lockon scrub weapons or the cram
>Random complaining about helicopters while at spawn>Offer to buy him a verpa>Explain he doesn't even have to launch it, just point it at the helicopters and they will fly away>"no thanks, it's too heavy"
>>583025661The guy said next wipe is also short, so most like again a month, and they said endgame exp curve is perfectly fine. The game is going to dumpster itself faster than anyone thinks.
>>583033606hope just like with recon, they add xp+cash for locking on a heli without launching, and also make it a lot, just so those flyniggas can get beeped at by multiple people, literally drained their existance into their pockets
>>582998837>losing money because because bad>that's why im racistmmmkay
>>583026280The average person gets farmed by you and me so they are in the negatives. I haven't gone negative on infantry a single game, I usually hovered somewhere around 50 to 100k (if I had a really good game). I haven't played in couple days though.
>>583030838>Extremely grindy ranked system>Extremely grindy ranked system>Extremely grindy ranked system>Extremely grindy progression system>FOTM slop>Extremely grindy ranked system>Extremely grindy progression system>Extremely grindy progression system with GACHA>Grindy progression system>Grindy progression systemWhat was your point supposed to be anon? That you want even LESS rewards for grindy progression? You just want a little badge next to your name like CS and Apex?
>>583035049>grindy ranked systemRanked system is used to put you against players of a similar skill level, it's not something you're supposed to grind like unlocksGetting to higher ranks in CS won't let you farm the entire lobby solo like Havoc. Rank has no inherent value.
Games gotten really boring as of late.I think it's the "meta" setting in.Nobody is doing anything interesting or fun.>t4 deathball on hz>fob hunting on t4 armor>pilots dropping T4's on hz until spawn vehicle arrives
>>583033606>>"no thanks, it's too heavy"it is too heavy thoI don't want to be forced to not be able to run>bro just drop all your gun and armor brono
>>583026280>>583034575Once your loadouts start costing 25k+ you'll understand. Anything below 15k is poverty tier
>>583020201>Because the money is forfeit anyway if you don'tdoesn't really seem like a compelling argument when you factor in opportunity cost. like sure, i could yolo the money i guess. or i could spare myself the time and effort of trying to spoon water out of a sinking ship and instead just leave now.this also implies you even have a buffer of cash to spend. if i already burnt through it, then the answer really is just leave.there's also the angle of this kinda exacerbating the problems you're trying to solve. if my return on investment is some completely amorphous quantity, something that's entirely unpredictable with absolute minimal influence over the outcome, why would i ever risk investing in kits at all? wouldn't i be more incentivized, under this system, to purchase some absolute barebones binos kit and hop in a bush, just sit there and contribute nothing while waiting to see if this server is even worth my fuckin' time?at least in the current system, the RoI for my kit is mostly in my hands. if i play smart i will get paid, period.ultimately if the problem is that winning or losing doesn't matter (and that pursuing it is a fool's errand), i think the carrot would cause fewer problems than the convolutions of the proposed stick.like, similar idea but cut out all the fat: have your existing match contribution score be multiplied by your team's placement. or uh. the complement of your team's placement? whatever, bigger boner for the winners without literally raping the cash of everyone on the losingest team (and also raping the runner-ups if they're sub-67 tickets). said raping, mind you, would affect the players who are throwing money down and actively trying to win the absolute hardest, and bush rats the absolute least.or if the problem is that the risky actions which contribute to a team winning don't pay out well/consistently enough compared to jerking off in a bush, wouldn't finding a way to better reward those specific actions be the answer?
>>583036446I've been saying this since T4 armor became prevalent>T4 should not be able to get in choppers with all their backpacks and gunsthe armor is bulky as fuck and you physically cannot fit a bunch of them into a little bird with the gear they are carrying
>>583036632When your loadout costs 25k you should be fucking immortal. I haven't gone negative kd a single game despite starting this game a week ago on weekend and when I had to early give up it was usually because out of a bad drop out of helo. Any time I looted a kit from a t3/t4 guy I was topping the scoreboard with FAL or BMR until I literally ran out of ammo.
>>583036625bro your stims...
>>583037359>don't like playing medic so no stimswhat now
>>583037232>When your loadout costs 25k you should be fucking immortal.>>just make poopsockers immortal because they have the money to spendlollmao even
>>583037531Find a femboy to pocket medic you
>>583035049>grindy ranked systemWhat the fuck are you talking about you drooling retard? Why are you GRINDING ranks? The ranks are a representation of your approximate skill, trying to put you in fair games to have FUN.
>>583037821tbdesu the player receiving the stim should get some sort of feedback when the stim animation begins. I can't even count the times when I begin stimming someone and they just run away, leaving me standing there like an idiot when the stim animation gets interrupted
>>583037359>bro just carry 1000 stim on you bro>bro just wait for the 1-2 second animation every single time you need to sprint bro
>>583038428I was surprised to find out that the stim pen stacks in threes while also taking up only one inventory slot. With the boost you get from it, I would have guessed it takes up at least double the space so 3 stims 2 slots
>average red player
>>583038782I look like this and it is a good thing
>>583038428If we are talking needing stims to carry a verba with you, the most you will need is a stack, maybe two, because you can drop the thing after you are done using it. As for other kits that keep you weighted down permanently, you don't need to be stimmed 100% of the time. Stim right when you start running a long distance or when you get pinned down. I think of it as a small inventory tax that I have to pay for using the best items in the game.
>>583032725>you already have an autocannon that is the size of a building and gets instantly rocketed, you stupid chudWow I didn't think about that.
>>583032725you mean the CIWS? With the new "fix" to the yellow X building thing it takes ages to build and Havoc can decimate even the finished CIWS in one pass, not to mention that the time to fly the havoc to reload and fly back is less than the time it takes to build a CIWS
>>583039090Cool tactical twintails, bro
Infantry is never going to work, not just because it's imbalanced and unrewarding for how hard you have to try, but because TTKs this long are just inherently awful feeling and unfun. A rifle with a 10 hit TTK is unheard of, and when you add in shitty servers, you need an average of 15-20 bullets just to put someone down. That will never be good, it simply can't be. And now we're just going to go through the motions with "get excited for patch and then get excited for next patch", while the core game play is never addressed. Thank god Arma 4 comes out next year so we can get the next gen of mods, the things these company developers can only copy from.
>>583040318Works on my machine. I think you need to just aim better.
>>583035457>>583037930Its still an extremely long progression system designed to suck up as much of your time as possible.>No one grinds CS ranksAre you fucking retarded. Thats literally the only thing worth doing in CS ever since they killed community servers.What is your point supposed to be? That it would be better if the grind was even longer and completely worthless?Give everyone havocs at lvl 1 and the only thing you unlock is a little lvl tag that labels you as Goldfuck 2, great.
>>583040535Say that to my face one more time and I'll FUCKING kiss you, dude. Don't even think I won't don't make me do this
>>583038782Average red player is a troon? Sounds about right.
>>583040560The ranking system is there to place you in fair matches. The point is supposed to play the game, and hopefully improve at it, which in turn raises your rank. If you are grinding for ranks you are literally a mindless drone. I got to GE first time when I played by just playing with my friends and occasionally solo, I played because I enjoyed the game loop, not because I'm some fucking bugman who needs to increase his rank for social credit you absolute retard.
>>583039551skill issue
>>583040560>What is your point supposed to be? That it would be better if the grind was even longer and completely worthless?The point is that vertical progression like mr. Joe Retardnigger has made in his game is not necessary to have a successful multiplayer game. The progression systems in this game are godawful.
>>583040560I dunno about CS but I can promise you most dota players aren't playing just to grind their ranked number, they're never leaving their 4k MMR bracket anywayThey're playing because they like playing dota
I played the game more so I'm allowed to spawn an undedable helicopter that 90% of the server can't even damage and it tanks everything the other 10% can do anyway, chud.
>decompiles wardogs and shapes it to my visionwhat now brammer?
>>583041767He would think it's cool
>>583038782wtf I'm red main now?!
>>583041767Unreal 5 is unfortunately much harder to rip anything from than Unreal 4.
>>583041767>decompile>ueEnjoy the result of macro hell, assuming you even know how to decrypt the assets and the binary.If you are serious, the actual way to do it is to dump it and reverse engineer it in IDA, then rebuild it yourself in UE using the assets. A statix decomp/recomp is not going to get you anywhere.
>>583035049>>583040560>Its still an extremely long progression system designed to suck up as much of your time as possible.What on earth are you blithering about?
>>583036893I was unconvinced before, but this wall of unpunctuated text has convinced me it would be a good system if only to drive people like you away to shit up some other game.
Are the devs going to wait until next season to finally nerf the shit out of the heli and gl spam?Until then I'm stuck on infantry only servers but even there there are faggots who toe the line with gl spamming from choppers.
>>583044024>unpunctuatedit's just uncapitalized friendo, the punctuation is still thereeither way, accession concepted
>>583023239>>583022694>>583022595>>583021847must've been the wind
>>583037232You practically are immortal. It doesn't matter. It takes so long to make 25k as infantry that you're going to barely break even with a k/d ratio of 5.
>>583045380How does it use them?
>>583045593fuck if i know, that sounds harder to find. i presume, as is tradition for games with recoil patterns, that these offsets are mixed with some random variance and then applied as an impulse to the camera or whatever
Alright, I just hit recon 25 and i'm taking a break until the wipe, i guess. Game's gotten stale and I don't really feel like levelling other classes because of kit cost vs risk reward. Sure hope they don't fuck up the game too hard.
>>583040853No dipshit, Skill Based Matchmaking is there to place you in fair matches, and Call of Duty has had it for over a decade without including rank tags and seasonal resets.The ranked system in CS or Apex is explicitly to be grinded for rank tags or rank score or whatever the fuck it is.
>>583026752>>583026924>admits endgame sucks>still seems dead set on fixing it with MMO progression>>583029079Fair, but there is a huge difference between outskilled and outgrinded. Guess which one is the hollow victory for one and frustrating for the other player? Dumping a mag in someone for them to turn around and beam you to death with poopgear doesn't compare to being outmaneuvered by someone who knows is way around the map better than you. Losing vs mechanical skill feels fair, losing vs vertical progression is lame.
>m249 with recoil script to remove 100% of horizontal and vertical recoilnow we're gaming
>10 people on my friends list playing the game at this hour last thursday>only 2 right nowInsane dropoff but deserved and expected for such a shit game with such shit maps and balancing.
>>583040890this thing cant aim upwards and any rocket bird can just sit above it until the ceiling is gone and murder it
>>583026752i dont know why they didnt rotate the fucking team spawn locations randomly to start withwhose idea was it to have blue fight up hill on half the maps and have their main towers be literal death holes surrounded by hills on others
>>583026752>>When devs talk about mimicking old school battlefield, they mean Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, they think Battlefield 4 is when they started killing the old sandbox battlefield and smoothing down the edges to appeal to the COD audienceIt was actually Bad Company 2 that ruined it.
>>583050636preach brotherfucking multiplatform shitpile with gated uncaps and call of duty knife/grenade mechanics
>>583050267that's not a solution anyway. the 1v1v1 format doesn't work and has never worked. people will bring up planetside, but planetside was rarely 1v1v1, it was mostly always 1v2s due to the way the game design worked. if they somehow managed to do that in this game it still wouldn't work since the combat zones are actually small
>>583050842it will at least mitigate the blue psychosis
>>5830508421v1v1 is the least of the problems this game has lmao, I've had plenty games that are close on all sides and even comebacks. All problems with this game are entirely from the progression systems.
My friend was building a fob at the start of the game and a tank came over to blow everything up. I just assumed they were locked until 20. I think I prefer the enemy humvee bullying fobbers.
>>583026752call of duty was good once. united offensive was a great expansion pack, if any of my fellow uncs remember it
>>583051097tanks are basically complete dogshit in most of cz. too many buildings, too many obstacles. Feels like they're designed for another mode where the rural parts of the map actually come into playyou basically need a whole infantry squad on both flanks babysitting you lest you get caught on some fucking prop or terrain and surrounded and trackedironically the only thing they're good at is AA
>>583051692They're not even good at that, a rocket little bird or havoc kills it in like two strafes
>>583052051i guess. still only takes one shot
>>583051692An IFV would be much more effective in this game than an MBT. Surprised there are none in the game
>>583026752>and smoothing down the edges to appeal to the COD audience.Wardogs has more low skill cheesy ass ways to get kills than BF or CoD has ever had. Brammer is such a fucking full of himself retard that I genuinely cannot wait for the twitter crashout when the population tanks hard and his cope about "bu bu but we we only expected 5k" falls apart in realtime. Going to be glorious.
>>583052523I expect a Bradley equivalent after jets.Speaking of jets, how are they going to balance them? They should rip the shit out of helis but will they be able to drop bombs too?
>>583052776>Devs mainly played Arma KOTH in infantry mode, they added armed vehicles to open up more gameplay options but theyre disappointed how it turned out.Also this explains why every single vehicle except maybe the humvee eels like complete and utter ass to handle.
>>583050267You misunderstood anon, the team spawns don't get rotated. I have not heard the devs mentioning anything like that. What I mean is the location of the CZ can vary a little on the same map like pic related which is why towers are sometimes in the zone and sometimes not.The devs are saying the placement of the circles can be even further in a certain direction, but in their internal testing they found it too unfair.
>>583053453There should be a tower in the area above the "farmland" text because this is just unbalanced
>>583051692The minigun humvee is genuinely better than the tank and I say that as someone who used them both a lot. Cheaper to run, faster to get out of bad situations and to flank, faster firing .308 gun. The only reason you might prefer a tank is for destroying buildings but thats very rarely useful. Your better off just carrying a grenade launcher in the inventory for occasions like that.
>>583053726There is a tower anon, in fact theres two of them called "Apartments"
>>583052831the only way to balance jets while keeping them engaging for everyone and not a snoozefiesta is to give them wide turn angles, make airfields contestable so ground forces have to enable them, and can deny them, and force them to takeoff and land and come to a stop to rearm and repair
>>583053453i understood, i just dont understand how they didnt consider from the start that randomizing team spawn locations would help mitigate these issues
>>583051128would give anything to go back to Foy
Remember that its only -$250 to kill a box worth 300,000 in spawn.Do not tolerate profiteering merchants with their 75% upcharge
>"""""infantry only"""""">filled with helis with grenade launchers
>>583051128UO is unironically like the only good CoD game. Used to play that at LANs with friends in high school and uni.
>>583057341community wouldve already patched this so GL doesnt shoot if its in a heli seat if the game came with redist server binariestoo bad its bf4 tier in its infrastructure
>>583060446you can't shoot your gun while sitting on a little bird because uhhhhhh ahhh ooo ummm
>>583058852>>583051128Never understood why United Offensive is considered so much better than the base game. Was it the multiplayer which I never touched?
>>583060646Yes.
>>583060809I haven't played campaign in a single FPS game since Allied Assault so I only speak of MP.
>>583060929You missed out. CoD1 is one of the best single player modes in a WWII game of all time, if not the best.
OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT TO LOGIN AND PLAY WARDOGS THEN SWAP TO CENTRAL/EAST SERVERS AROUND 10PM BECAUSE WEST SERVERS BECOME UTTERLY CHINK INFESTED AROUND THAT TIME.Maybe I should just quit instead actually.
>>583060646thats the fun thing about being able to patch a server binary. you could make it a specific gun in a specific seat while the vehicle is doing a specific thing like being in the air or pointing in a specific direction
>>583060446>>583062432on the same level as kicking anyone who kills you
>>582967310at least in Arma the AA was capable of holding a lock through CM and doesn't have an arbitrary "lol can't do shit now FAGGOT" height floor that lets the attack helo violently rape you to death
>>583060809yes, the multiplayer was great. at the time i thought cod was going to be the battlefield killer. i liked bf1942 and dc mod, but the game always had major issues such as hit registration being terrible. united offensive gave bigger maps, added vehicles and a much more engaging game mode with objectives. then cod2 happened and then the series went to console, forever destroying its potential
>>583063068BF2 hitreg was actually some of the worst shit I've seen in any video game ever, that was one of my first multiplayer FPS games.
>>583063249bf2 hitreg was good on paper and on lan, but it was incredibly fragile so all the jittery copper connections of the era broke it easily. It's actually not bad at all on fibre
>>582963452>add battery usage to thermal spotter, range limit at ~400m>add a Stinger with purchasable ammo tubes, retain Verba as super early (level 2-4 support) ultra cheap disposable AA>add disposable anti-tank option that's 1:1 with basic RPG stats>fix the AT so they actually kill infantry with direct hits AND splash, snipers now raped by RPG through tower window>remove HP, reduce AP base damage by 33%, AP available for all calibers at WD level ~33>remove all the 308 infantry weapons except the Mk22 and any LMGs>make Level 4 armor=Level 3 stats but with slightly higher explosion resist and the already implemented limb coverage>add the Gepard to fuck pilotfags
>>583062551>nooooo i should be able to abuse certain weapon/vehicle combinations with a custom ruleset that makes them supremely overpowered with next to no countersright back at you retard
>>583063068I completely missed this because I tried the original's multiplayer which was about as basic as it could be and just played BF1942 instead. I didn't play UO until years later and just presumed it was fondly remembered for the single player.
>>583063249yep, same shit that was in 1942
>>582963452this except the verba can also be speed reloaded by a teammate like you can do with such weapons in helldivers
>>583019787>buy truck 2500>buy 13 stingers 10,400>buy rangefinder and shove it in free backpack 40013300$ and you shut down air traffic for a solid 10 minutes, the real fun isn't shooting down armed helis that can actually threaten you, it's bullying taxi drivers
>>583064097idk if this is really bullying anyone at this point. Every time i do this they just hug the ground so i cant lock them, and everyone who cant hug the ground is practicing in the firing range until they canand even its a 50/50 chance some fag in a rocket/minigun/havoc just beelines to where the missile trail came from and pinpoints my location instantly and squishes me like a bug
>>583063682you know the m249 cars are still available in infantry mode? and mortars?
>>583063509honestly ngl posts like this make me understand why these devs ignore player feedback
Everything about this game is so god-damned forced.
>>583049406>>m249 with recoil script to remove 100% of horizontal and vertical recoilthe script is the humvee attached to the bottom of the m249 btw
>>583051692whoa almost as if you're supposed to sit on a hilltop and provide fire support from a few hundred meters away, like a real tank in a combined arms assault
>>583066326your counterpoints my dear goyim?
>>583066326so rockets not exploding on infantry and doing zero damage on direct impact is a good thing then huh
>>583067868Yes, rockets are anti-vehicle not anti-personnel, read the description
>>583066569what an excellent way to expose yourself to helis/maaws/c4/artillerydefinitely not a useless money pit
>>583066326The only thing that's disagreeable is RPG splash damage being lethal, but the grenade launcher already does that and has 6 shots so who cares.
>>583065752i knew about the mortars but armed humvees too? lol what a meme. no wonder the meta is just fucking castle wars
>>583067868ive gotten multiple infantry kills with rpgs myself, even at close range where they dont explode, though that was early on in progression. does the higher level armor stop it from killing?
>>58306843240mm will oneshot someone with direct impact, though it wont explode, and you can do this 6 times, splash will kill 0/1/2 armour in 1 hit, 3/4 in 2 hitsbut a single shot with long ass reload isn't allowed to do any damage because anon doesn't like the idea or something
>>583069649yes
>>582926087>300 hourslmaoyou personally have to be instantly great at everything and if there is any skill curve it's shitever considered you just suck dude
>>583069649>even at close range where they dont explodeexplosive munitions don't explode at all if they hit a player, I've saved my team by taking a 155 to the dome evenalso shoulder fired launchers have a sudden damage dropoff past like 15m and no damage within 5m so they're pretty shit overall
>>583070473t. 10,000 hours in arma and battlefield
>>583070936nopeI played a lot of CS growing up and I've used a computer my whole life so it's really not that hardbut I actually adjusted my controls to make it work for me instead of loading up 4chan to cry
>>583071091oh so you just genuinely have no idea how high the skill ceiling is
>>583071518Nigger I have fun dropping pallets where I want them to go and flying under bridges and between trees while verbaniggers cry I don't give a fuck what some other retard is doing
imagine having a massive FPS e-peen jerkoff with another anon in a game that neither of you will be playing in a few months let alone a year.
>>583034238kys chink chong
