>Blizzard's new version of World of Warcraft, based on vanilla WoWSet in the same Azeroth but expanded upon with new zones, dungeons, raids, quests, loot, graphics and much moreMany new race/class combos including Undead Paladin and Dwarf ShamanMore than 1k quests added making a 25% increase in quest content alone>Talent Calculatorhttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696>Class Deep Dives Druid & Hunterhttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24301515>Class deep dives Priest & Warriorhttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24301514>When is it being released?November 4th>Beta GuildsType /who g-"Guild name" to see who's online, whisper anyone for an invite, or ask in thread.<wowfg> - EU, PvP, Horde<Little Space> - NA, PvP, AllianceOld >>583035774
>>583045739these retail models are sick yo
Please ban the night elf cuck spamming catbox links
The problem with raids in Classic wasn't the 1-2 button rotation. It was how overly simple the bosses were. Most of them barely did anything, and 90% of fights were basically just tank and spank.A 1-2 button rotation is fine if you're still forced to react to mechanics, reposition, or maybe even make use of your utility. Turning it into a 3-4 button rotation won't solve anything if the bosses are still basically AFK. The classes will still be boring to play.
Dev podcast with Asmongold when?
how does healing on controller even workhow do you heal the correct party member
>>583046014he isn't wow streamer doe
Reply to this post once its up pls and thank you
>>583045995thats good because forever will be braindead ez mode bosses forever! just wait for addons to be developed that play each fight for you even!
>>583046120
>>583045995trvketank and spank is fundamentally lacking in depthwhich isn't to say it shouldn't exist, but not all fights should be tank and spank
>>583045995>>583046156Retail is better for you let infact retail was explicitly designed for annoying little shits like you
>>583045739Seventeenth for proper loot rules:Main Spec Need. Need rolls for shit for your class and the spec you're running the dungeon with. Greed for offspec. Pass if you can't use it. All roll on vendor or shard if all pass. BoE's, BoE recipes, Mounts, fun stuff are all Need. I don't care if you can use the epic BoE and I can't, I can sell it for as much money in the AH as it'd take you to buy it so we get the same value from it, fag. That is all.
>best ST in the game>boss has target swapping, flight, adds
LFM BRD hoj and ironfoe HR
>>583046287Explain to me why I care
>>583046287Exactly. That's the tradeoff.
>>583046238Greed means greed. I will greed anything I want to vendor. that's what the button is for.
>>583045995>A lot of the fights have actual mechanics>tards min/maxed so hard they can ignore all the mechanicsworking as intended
now the drunk tranny want asmon banned to whering wow shirts
>>583046287OH NO NOT TARGET SWAPPING AAAIIIEEE MY PARSES
>>583046445>wheringwe all want him banned jeeto
LET'S GOOOO
>Join raid>They ask you to join their vent channelwdyd
ARE WE UP!?
>>583046461>>583046386>>583046380apparently they said all pure dps will only be doing about 5% moreso mage, hunter and warlock are better picks than rogue
When will Blizzard do anything about the Priest button bloat?
>>583046389People should be able to gear for offspec without fighting with niggas who can't even use the item and also not rolling need if they're not even in the dungeon with that spec.
>>583046513i dont
>>583046604>>583046380
>>583046627you DID buy gold for him right?
>>583046647because youre a dps main, chuddie
>>583046617If no one in the party actually needs it you can ask if it's okay to roll need for your offspec and people will usually say yes.I will continue rolling greed on everything I can't use.
>>583046407>90% of mechanics is>stop dps>okay start dps>get whatever away from the group
>>583046604Best on paper is enough. Ranged will always be king in any boss where you don't have to spread constantly.
this isnt retail with jumping around mechanicsmost they do are debuffs
>>583046445this tranny better not wear WoW merch when he kills himself
>Walk into Scarlet Monastery >See thisYour response?
>>583046917Arise
THIS IS A WHITE MAN'S CITYNOSHOES KEEP WALKING
>>583046769>stop dpsNo. Tricks of the Trade, Cloak of Shadows and Vanish will ensure that I can skillfully avoid any and all boss mechanics (with 10% chance of wiping the raid)
>>583046917
>>583046917this should be the next OP
>>583046917ask her why she had panties surgically implanted under her skin
>>583046769point was they never thought tards were going to bring 15+20 warriors with every buff in the game and just zug things down before the timer for the second phase hits.
>i parsed 99% by ignoring every mechanic and risking the entire raid >now the other dps are forced out of position so i can keep dpsing >i am good at the game this is how parsefags unironically think
retail wow theme song https://files.catbox.moe/dwdhkt.mp3
>>583046917warhwit whoowade?
>>583046543I hope they add more quests in the hinterlands because returning to revantusk with every quest completed feels sooooooo good
>rogue has the best armor reduction debuff in the game>we made the armor reduction the same as sunder armor so rogue has no utilitydishonest game development
I'd rather have Glimmer of Light rather than Vigil to be honest
>>583046760You're really not convincing me to care
>>583045995as long as I have stuff to cleanse and can use my LoH to save the tank when the healers fall asleep raids will be fun, having 4 buttons that each just do damage is boring
>>583046604their testers are mouthbreathers and what they think will happen and what will actually happen in the top 1% are going to be wildly different
>>583046571Get off the vent or get bent!
Why do dwarves filter people so hard? Is it the mental damage of being a manlet?
>/wpsg/ in absolute winter of despair mode
Fuck it, give warriors a resto tree to, they can dual wield healing maces.
>>583047139It better feel good after 2 fucking hours in the troll area killing 80 (Eighty!) different types of trolls and fighting 3 other groups for the priestess tag (with one faggot training 12 elites onto your group when you do get the tag)
>>583047326>poors are mad because capitalism wins againbased
>>583047357Nah. Hybrids without all three are fine. Shaman didn't need tanking.
>>583047109name 2 fights this happens in the classic trio. vanilla tbc wotlk. please.the 99% parses are an extreme minority of the population. you letting them dictate your thoughts is insane. those people are no in your raids either. i parse 80+ by playing the game normally and raid leading. if you have grey parses i am not inviting you. green is whatever. but if you're an actual shit for brains play bettter
https://files.catbox.moe/tp3rml.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/yw0t0z.png
>>583047357Okay but priests get shields and dual wielding for shields.
>>583047109>i parsed 99% by ignoring every mechanic and risking the entire raidWhy did you come up with this scenario? It makes it sound like the only way you can fathom someone performing better is because they're cheesing, which is basically a self own. If not this, then why would you describe some specific niche case to build your entire argument on? I ask as someone who has gotten 99's while literally volunteering to handle extra mechanics.
>>583047109Anyone remember in MoP when Warriors would taunt Nazgrim just before he changed stances so they could get a stack of a buff that stopped tanks being counterattacked allowing them to keep DPS'ing the boss when the DPS should be doing adds and every single group was full of retards doing it because Asmongold did it on stream?Those are parsefaggots.
>>583047506me with the cock
There's literally no good reason to play sky elves on Alliance. They'll be the least popular Ally race after the character wipe. Night Elves are just better.
>>583047506i literally can't play a class that can't be a night elf at this point holy fvark
>>583047506me the nelfy wife>>583047665h-hey...
>Your class won't be able to do damage because you get all these utility and other spells/skills that you can useOkay cool sure. Will I be able to spec myself in a way so that I can actually meaningfully use these skills without me having to fully invest into a spec like all the other single spec ones?>Ummm....well you see uhh...
>>583047109I am a very very very veryveryimportant DPS.And you should let the healers know that I will not be able to stand in yourcute little circleand will need them to save anothercooldown for me.
>>583047545That would be kinda cool ngl lol
>>583047696Blizzard will cave and let them be shamans 3 days before launch.
>>583047464Baron Geddon and Ragnaros
>>583047706They have a good selection of classes but I would play a blood elf warlock or a mage.
Still can't decide if I want to roll Horde or Alliance, I like SW more than Org but Horde had better over all general banter. Also Horde open world pvp seems more fun with better coordination.
>>583046917ToT
>>583046238if im tanking as feral bear but play healer in raids i will inform you that i will take healing piece x if it drops and if thats a problem you can find another group
>>583047783 i bet this guy has sex
>>583047696why is she looking like that?
We're gonna be in unofficial beta for half a year, these clowns have no idea what the playing field is gonna look like at 60 with solved specs.
>>583046445wasn't this a pretty regular looking white dude with a beard and then trooned out?
>>583047992https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJStjooGRvARemember, it is always a "healer problem".
>>583047326Writing was always on the wall. Has been since Nostalrius. Anyone who actually invested time into a private server without understanding and acceptance that it could all go up in smoke one day deserves that despair. I played on multiple private servers knowing that risk, and so I'm fine with it.
>>583048042They already said there will be balance changes every 2 weeks or so. It's gonna be a wild ride
I have seen no one talk about the actual questlines for dwarf shamans, do they even get anything cool?
>>583047927>he thinks someone bombs the raid on geddon to get a bigger parse>he thinks the standard isnt just staying in on ragnaros and having tanks taunt on the threat drop
>>583048146I played private servers because there was no alternative.
>>583045995>the problem with raids is that they were actually really, really boring!!!>something like 80% of players never experienced raidsyou're a fucking retard if that's your theory. Complexity is and has always been the barrier for most players. Completing a raid requires a player to>invest ~200 hours to reach 60>invest another ~50+ hours at the absolute minimum to be geared enough to be worth taking. Much, much longer if you are a low-value class like rogue.>willingness to take orders from a raid leader/guild>willingness to spend potentially up to 4+ hours in a single sitting in the raid, even longer if your group doesn't have the raid on lockdown and is still progging>have knowledge on the raid mechanics or be handheld by a kind guild/organizer that is majority overgeared players (uncommon)notice how the "knowledge on the raid mechanics" step is the last one. Most players bow out LONG before they get to that stage because of the insane time and commitment investment to get to that point. What a fucking empty-headed retard you have to be to think the solution for raids is to lean even harder into reducing the amount of players willing to endure them. Adding complexity only reduces the player count.
>>583047586>Why did you come up with this scenario?If you imply that everyone who is better than you is only fake better because they're all actually cheesing and harming the group then obviously you end up not feeling as bad about the fact you are getting worse results in something that should be super simple (mmo pve combat).The reason is literally just that they care a lot, feel bad about it, and have to create strawmen to feel better.
>>583048146Turtle was up for like a decade. The only reason it was taken down was for Forever which nobody expected would ever come until like this year.
so we UP?
shammy status?
>>583048146Except for Warmane chads
its actually really despairing to know its still a month away from release, the fuck am i supposed to do
>>583046053you use xpad
Can some of you excelfags who complain about buffs and nerfs constantly explain me why you even bother with this game? Classic basically has the balance you seek for and more combinations to tinker with. I can totally see why larpfags and marketfaggots like the this game, but I dont think it offers better experience as a spec spreadsheet sim than Classic. What am I missing here?
>>583048510Back
>>583045995Play retail if you want your gay synchronized swimming raids.
>>583048443as long as anon keeps posting slop pron I'm up
>>583047506The orc bvlls trained her well.
>>583045995these raids were designed when the average andy had 400 ping and 12 fps so standing in fire for split second killing you was a no go4 horsemen is the longest undefeated boss in all of world of warcraft because void zones with potate computers and high ping are actually a problem
>>583048520True. I have no idea how Warmane is still alive. I wonder if my old character still exists.
>>583048510in the cuck cage
>>583048536What about in raid?
>>583048567>gay synchronized swimmingthats just my sunday morning anon
>>583046235>the redditor is so mad she cant even type coherentlyJesus, you guys are gonna have a hard time once the honey moon phase wears off! Im here for it though!
>>583048428I'm impressed they kept forever a secret.
hunner bwosis this alright?
I never check WoW forums but i wanted to see if there was an ETA on the new patch and holy fuck, absolute cespool. Just check some of the titles.No wonder retail went to shit if they listen to the feedback of these people
>>583048510I'm rerolling Shaman for this as it will be the most fun thing to PvP on for the next few weeks.
me when a pserf tries to speak to me
>>583048520I dont believe Warmane. Its numbers are definitely faked and its hosted in like China. Its the only reason its not been taken down like the other big name ones.
>>583048336The game is supposed to last forever through horizontal progression.How are people supposed to stay interested in the endgame if raiding is easy and the hardest part is simply showing up?
>>583048534Hunt alliance players out in the wilds.
>>583045739PUT <Lemon Party> - NA PvE Ally IN THE FUCKING OP NOW
>>583048841Another post wants the devs to balance the game around level 20 to 30, since that is where "most of the players will be", and saying shit like "if its balanced at 30 then it will already be balanced at 60 so shut up about it".
>>583048906have fun with no stormstrike
Are the servers back up?Also I heard they're changing the Sub Rogue capstone talent, good that shit was ass. They also need to change the Assassination Rogue capstone talent too.
>>583048841>aggrend CONFIRMED that vanilla paladins were always designed to be auto-attack botswhy do paladins keep asking for more buttons to press instead of playing to their class's strengths?
>>583048841That post is Al-generated.
>>583048986new stuff coming out, people weren't interested in doing shit like nax because it was hard which is why less then 1% of players even went inside nax.
>>583048729up and do within a group, left and right jumps between groupsits not nearly as fast with a mouse of course
>waaaaaah you're a hybrid, just heal/tank the dungeon bro i don't wanna wait aaaaaa i wanna go right now please bro please>alright fine, let me put on some healing gear>10 minutes later>BRO WHY DID YOU NEED ON MY DPS ITEM WHAT THE FUCK BRO SO CRINGE FUCK THIS SHIT *ragequits party*Why are pure dps sissies like this?
>>583046445I don't give a shit what reason this troon wants asmongoy banned for. I want him banned for breathing
>>583049071Auto attacks aren't fun?
>>583048953idk if you go to dalaran it's always poppin off in warmane
REST IN PEACE NATE HIGGER
>>583048510the sin of having windfury totem must be paid for
>>583046445the fate of all warrior playershahahha
>>583049071aggrend is 100% right, having your GCD open as much as possible for clutch heals and cleanses on your bros then do a burst combo with a stun judgement is what ret is supposed to be about, not steady DPS and 10 different attacks.
>>583049071Pressing buttons is fun.
Blizzard give me beta access and ill shill it to my friend group. But I aint paying $60 for a month long beta.
For gold buying they shouldn't ban streamer.Instead flag them without their knowledge and make it so they sometimes take a more damage, deal a less damage and randomly their buttons don't activate. All of this only during dungeon or raid encounters and critical moments.
>Dataminers finding tons of Gilneas assets in the patch filesit's happening
so what's the plan for post 60 player power? introduce mastery for all specs and get with mastery?
>>583049105If you join as a healer, you only get to roll on healing items. Sorry, but those are the rules.
>>583049315You can go to gilneas in the beta.
>play pve>groups constantly looking for members for quests>friendly community>get to 20 in a couple of hours>play pvp>nobody ever wants to group for shared mobs>people only talk about Asmon>stuck at 11 after a couple of daysIs the RP ruleset going to have PVP?
>>583048520actual contaiment server
>>583046445What causes this?
>>583046604Their podcast specifically said that rogues will be the best single target dps in the game, which should be the case since they're the only melee pure dps class in the game that provides zero (0) party buffs.
>>583049402liar
>>583049413duel tournaments and rp guild vs rp guild planned shit
>>583049315You can already go to gilneas in the beta and its pretty much the retail version. That doesn't mean playable worgen they can use it as an endgame zone instead
>>583049003>NA PvE Allyvc discord moaners ahhh guild
>xaryu's podcast gets on the launcher>thumbnail is 90% aggrend, 10% xaryu>soda's podcast gets on the launcher>it's only sodaWhat are the implications of this? Did they make Xaryu smaller on the thumbnail because Blizzard is a bunch of racists that hate swarthoids? Was Aggrend on the thumbnail because he wants to be Xaryu's girlfriend? Is Sodapoppin /blizzard'sguy/?This is very important for the health and future of the game. And if they are racist we *clap* need *clap* to *clap* know *clap* about it! *clap*
According to the content creator discord, the next guest in the Aggrend podcast is a female.
>>583049413that's why you play horde
>>583049315Chris Metzen if he was based
>>583049315>but they give it to horde
>>583048986horizontal progression is adding things that are eitherA) At best, equal in power to the current meta but in a different way (weapon with the same dps as best from the previous raid, but a different proc or effect that can make it more situational useful in the current or next content updateorB) Ignore the meta entirely and are simply timesinks that reward you with fun or cosmetics (minigame/sidegame content like pet battles, significantly expanded darkmoon faire with less focus on card farming and more focus on non-power related rewards, etc)that is what horizontal progression means. Not making raids mindnumbingly more difficult which will only end up requiring people be geared to the gills to be able to bypass mechanics through sheer statgrowth.
>>583049315>>583049402>>583049482the worgen starter zone assets are all in gilneas but you can't go there without flying hacking (or being summoned by someone who flyhacked)it is probably a placeholder
>>583046445To beat these types of people just act more snobbish to them. Tell this tranny that he has problematic language issues if he feels the need to curse and lecture him about being a better person.
>>583049597she is going to suggest some dogshit and they will just implement it, won't they?
>>583049529It'll be Forever's version of Wintergrasp.
>>583049315This is what we've all been asking for.
>>583049413asmon is apparently going pve at launchi like the guy but i have no interest in playing with a bunch of streamer addicted retards so i guess i'll have to go pvp
>>583049321What for do you need more power?
>>583049597>the next guest in the Aggrend podcast is a female.Then I shan't be watching it.
>>583049628>poison and windfury at the same timeHoly...Mutilate rogues may actually be fun if we get to use swords.
Another good example, they're already trying to turn it into retail 2.0 lmao>>583049075We could only hope
the asmon chuds went away? are they at school? finally peaceful (for vg standards)
>>583049597is there even a relevant female grifter?
>>583049413>>stuck at 11 after a couple of daysabsolutely crazy to announce such a skill issue like thatwhere exactly are you getting corpsecamped at level 11?
how do you guys feel about the shadow priest situationa lot of people are complaining that they are not going to be brought to raid and blizzard just said they will not be top meter DPS due to vampiric embrace (which was nerfed btw)so the worry is if we are not top meter dps competitive then theres no reason to bring spriests because they bring next to no utility.
>>583049901hes live retard, were watching
>>583049924>where exactly are you getting corpsecamped at level 11?every starter zone ever
>>583049821proof?
>>583049901the one guy got tired of spamming something nobody cared about
>>583049315
>>583049597It's just going to be Annie right? There aren't really any other female wow content creators and annie is blizzard's favorite it seems. She's always in the events and she plays all versions of the game so I could see it, but I have no idea about her takes on the game at all since she doesn't really make content like that. She seems too surface level for a deep dive podcast, so maybe it will just be a more surface level discussion about the game as a whole.
>>583049843Think they added the dagger requirement for mutilate back in
>>583049597hopefully she asks for slutmogs
>>583049672Please for the love of fuck. Horde Worgen sounds peak.
>>583045995yeah but how do you create more mechanically intense/demanding bossfights without buffing player mobility/versatility (which leads to homogenization and so on)?
>>583049597its going to be annie and they will talk abount controller support
>At least I'm not on the streamer server
>>583049943sims do put them competitive atm but that could change, and giving them more damage just makes them even more OP in PvP, its better to take a lil bit away and give them back some utility
>>583049597it's going to be pic related
>>583050074PvP is the streamer server what do you mean
>>583049967>every starter zone everah so you ritualistically type /pvp when you create your characters?no wonder you couldn't hack it past 11
unless they release another Alliance Shaman the server imbalance is gonna get worsethere's basically a 10 to 1 Shaman/Paladin population ratio in favor of Horde at this point thanks to Undeadsfor every Dwarf Shaman there's at least 20 Horde Shamans + 5 Undead Paladins, vs 4 Human Paladins and 1 Dwarf
>>583049315>>583049981That stuff A.I. or actually true? I know Gilneas and that new Helves zone are already ingame
>>583050156waow she's butiful
>>583049597I'm sure that dumb bitch will just ask about transmog and wanting player housing in forever.
>>583050215player housing would be cool but i think they'll monetize it like they did in retail and that's gay
>>583050156Trannies are so based. Toxic masculinity won. Feminism lost. Men are replacing women in their own spaces and taking their spots in college tuitions, job placements, and sports.
>>583050196You should probably close your web browser for good if you can't figure this one out yourself, gramps.
>>583050196Are you serious
buff dwarves
>>583050057>>583049986annie?
Who are the best warlock players that stream and will actually do the battleground they are adding in the beta?
>>583049986annie or that whore fandy
>>583050341why? you want there to be more than 2 alliance shaman on each server or something?
Alliance NEEDS blue elf shaman.
>>583049948>watch this!
buff cows
>>583050196Is this a joke or are you 60 years old
>>583049943I don't mind because shadow is absurd op in PvP, PvE you just heal and get free items
>>583049821>get invited to asmon layer>go on horde discord and give real time updates on location>repeat until he quits
>>583049558Shut up broccoli head. It's literally 2 doods playing wow
>>583050407>fire mage rotation at the bottommakes me giggle every time
>>583050493if only you would
Always thought it was weird that entangling roots COULDN'T be used underground. That's where you find roots.
>>583050409
>>583050370she got every achievement on retail and got to lvl60 on hardcore with a warrior, while playing with a controller
>>583045995dude wow forever should focus on being more like animal crossing than some challenging game for minmaxers, the game is basically over 20 years old with a new coat of paint
>>583050561kinda based
>>583049943Not every spec is going to be comparable in all activities. That is why dual spec will be a thing. Shadow spec for your pvp and open world questing, switch to disc or holy for your grouping.
I wanted to be Shaman, but even tank warriors at their current absolute state are top dps, i'm always 2nd or 3rd. Let's not even talk about Hunter, often times doing 50% more dps that the rest of the group.This hurts my ego.
>>583050407he was playing ffxiv at the time his mother passed away. it was a pretty big deal but I guess you're too young to remember
>>583050370Anniefuschia, one of the only normal female content creators that isn't some onlyfans whore or mid asian cosplayer. She actually plays the game. The only other female player I can think of would be Naguura but she's retail only.
>>583050407trying too hard
>>583050687
Raid or Dungeon?
so why should I as a DPS roll anything but a rogue, hunter, or mage?
>>583050729That's the joke
>>583050370turkroach
>>583050538Roots are typically cleared to make way for underground passages
>>583047464Try playing with parsing mages on fights that require decursing.
>>583050812Warlocks are really good in 1v1.
>>583050809raid AND dungeon
>>583050809Neutral city, with faction-exclusive wings for high elves and darkfallen and the rest of the city shared.
>>583050705sorry can someone fix the matricide image to ffxiv instead of wow. thanks anons!
>>583050659>>583050492yea that does sort of suck though, TBC spriest was still valuable due to their utility and damage in raid, and its largely because of vampiric touch, in forever ideally they make all specs work for pvp and pve
>>583050191I'm playing dwarf shaman because I like dwarves and shaman. No one is being forced to play anything they don't want to.
>>583050809sex district
>i want raids to be easy >hahaha, fuck yeah. i'm getting so much loot >wait, this is kinda boring now >*quits*
>>583050814spamming it every thread says otherwise
>>583049315Dare to dream, Knot-Anon. We'll definitely get the Worgen update that has the Gilneas survivors bring Human Druid to the Alliance, while the Worgen themselves will join the Monster Alliance (Forsaken + Darkfallen + Sanlyn).They'll then have the future Draenei update that has the space-goats crashland northwest of Stratholme / northeast of Scarlet Monastery. The revelation of Light-blessed, sexy aliens will deliver unto the Scarlets a bitter civil war, particularly after Velen outs Balnazzar as a dreadlord. The Scarlet Chuds will leave to join the Alliance alongside their new sexy wives/husbands, while Sylvanas will use her new lore-legit access to the Light to have her paladins+apothecaries revive Whitemane's faction as the goth-version that Legion wasted on the Death Knights.
>>583050946Isn't that all of Silvermoon?
>>583050864mage, rogue, and hunter are all really good at 1v1 too, only slightly worse than lockrogue is bis in all real open world 1v1 scenarios (i.e. you're in stealth and you gank them)
>>583050887Darkfallen hub will be Deatholme after Anya and Nathanos liberate it in a daring raid during the DF starting experience.
>>583050972None of the vanilla raids are hard.
>>583050972>you have to keep raid logging every week>you just have to>you cant just do the new stuff and then take a break>nooo you cant do that nooo
>>583051002yeah you're the joke is what he was saying.
>>583050972gz you resumed classic
>>583048812>4/5>4/5>3/5get off the fence and pick a side you coward
>>583050812because that 5% is on AVERAGE, and there will be many fights that they arent top, but when they are it will stand out, and average out
>>583050972>i'm getting so much lootExcept when nothing drops to you specifically
>>583050940literally not the argument here, im talking about faction imbalance, there's a whole PvP server that depends on a healthy pop and it's not working out well so far (it'll get worse on release, people are ants)
>>583051113Just a little 6 year break is all.
>>583047109>casual shitter doesn't know what reclear is
How long until he completely homogenizes the class design of the game for the sake of PvE "balance"
>>583048841>the name contains moon>bunch of liberal whimperLike a clockwork. I bet these libs will get bored when they pick their "non-chud" server at lauch. The continuous banter makes this game feel like a true WARCRAFT game
>>583051050Mage really not so much they are probably the class that gets harmed the most by the free action potion.
>>583050972frog nigger posts are never any good
>>583051150but i want my cake
>>583051168Oh you're talking about pvp. Opinion discarded.
when was the last update 2:30 pst?
>>583051314G2B
>>583050409Many are saying this
>>583051183>So yeah, when you don't have a priest or druid for the buff that feels bad, right?>Well we're gonna change class buffs to only affect the caster - but don't fear, because you will still get a fun utility bonus when the buff is cast on you>Mark of the Wild, for example, will increase your movement speed by 1% while outdoors...
>>583051050>rogue is bis in all real open world 1v1 scenarios (i.e. you're in stealth and you gank them)Assuming equal gear, similar skill levels, I don't think a rogue could actually win a 1v1 even if they get an open on the warlock. Best they could do is run away and then come back later for re-openers. But again, if you had to run away you lost.
>>583051168layers are forced faction balanced. you could have a 30/70 ratio and it wouldnt really matter to you
>>583051183Thats how you get ff14. Everything built around the 2 minute meta and aligning buff windows for burst phases.
Who’s the Billposter(FlyFF) class of this game? Enhance Shaman? I wanna pass a gorillion buffs and otherwise hit things for decent damage all day
>>583050191buff shamans and buff dwarf racials.
So what exactly do classic people want from classic if anything that gets added to classic is actually retail?
>>583048812how do you retards manage to come up with such dogshit builds every time
>>583051430They've been saying this for decades and the automatic balancing system just keeps dripfeed layering players 1 by 1 into an enemy raid group.
>>583051517i like it
>>583050972classic was always boring. its best to play it for the new content and unsub, it isnt like playing catch up is difficult in this game
>>583051430i only ever saw one of those olympus retard zerggroups with a thousand people in the same place and they'd still get 20-30 horde to free farm man ...layers are not working as intended
>>583051542have you noticed a big disparity? Im alliance on PvP, according to the census we are outnumbered but from my experience alliance has been dominating in group openworld pvp
>>583050863if retards wipe the raid instead of doing their job they will be replaced simple as
>>583051503"The mind knows not what the tongue wants." Whatever they think they want will never be equal to some hyper idealized amalgamation of ideas that exist in their head, so they will be eternally disappointed. If they're going to be eternally disappointed then there is no need to worry about their opinions.
>loot exchange crate worth 1G>no roll>just yoink itnot sure this is good
>>583051089>invites 20 warriors to the raid group>grabs ony buff>grabs zg buff>grabs faire buff>grabs dm buffs>grabs songflower>flasks up>mongoose>juju>giants>dumplings>mighty rage potHeh...too easy...
>>583051674Well yeah, it's always going to be the group that makes premades that dominates.
>>583051183PvP in WoW is only fun when you fuck low levels in strangleporn or back in BC when you would do some cheese strats in the arena, the current state of wow pvp is for minmaxing autist who will play the most broken class combos, fuck up anyway and then complain about balance....choosing to be a PvPer is basicall like checking yourself into a loony bin because you convinced yourself that you are better than all the other retards in there
>>583051714it is good
Vanilla raids be like Form two groups One group stands on this sideThe other stands on this sideGroup kills ads Other group gets ads Rinse and repeat Boss comes downKill him and decurse
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>>583051430Layers cannot add players to balance anything, and there's a finite number of layers. If factions are not balanced then its pretty obvious the outcome is on some layers one faction will have immense number advantages over the other.
IT'S UPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQK7xNlQHEY
>>583051714loot exchange crates are only worth this much because of the level restriction and the crafted gear recipes are very good, actually leveling you're not going to sit down and farm those crates to get those recipes.
I think I'm rolling white human warrior bros
>>583051841I am getting real tired of this bait.
>>583047319honestly?yeah
Tom Ellis confirmed fired. I have inside info. Not gonna be announced, they are just gonna let things die down. A quiet exit. Clampdowns in effect on unhinged employee social media posts in effect. Emergency PR lessons given to remaining staff. Blizzard does NOT want this launch to be fucked up. Chuds won
So with the recent podcast what is raid comps going to look like for each size?>tank>tank>melee>melee>shamanin one group for 10m, but what's the second group look like?
I want classic but I don't want the raids to be hard or mechanically difficult, want simple rotations of at maximum 2 buttons, want gear to be the most cookiecutter stuff imaginable stat wise, to have reasons to play while also not being forced on a treadmill to keep on playing, and to have all specs viable while having some that are clearly above others in damage
>>583051429https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C8JhY7JB5KU&ra=mThe Warlock just hit High Warlord that day.
>>583051841Truth asteroid
>>583051674you must understand that horde players are overwhelmingly sub 80 iq vantablack gorilla niggers who refuse to group for anything and now all the 40 year old male human ret paladins now play undead paladin so we have even more drooling retards
>>583052005>tank>tank>melee>feral>shaman>healer>healer>caster>boomkin>shaman
>>583051883ty for this sista
No Ogres, but Alliance are getting Worgen and Horde get Forest TrollsDisappointed!
>>583052005Whatever your friends play.
He's right you know
>>583046389Exactly
>>583052232the leaps will be getting all of the less that 1% drop chance chase drops
>>583052135>vantablack gorilla niggerskek
>>583052229Not good enough
>>583052232
I really hope they keep 10 mans as easy as BRS/Dire Maul instead of shit like an actual raid. 20m should be the sweatiest version of raiding as having 20 people gives you a lot more room with building raids. 10m feels so restrictive which means if it's hard content you won't be able to just put a group together quickly for it. 20m should be the progressive raids and 40m should be the one-off spectacle style raids like Onyxia, like Eye of Eternity, like Obsidian Sanctum.
AND YOUR FATHER'S COMING HOME AGAIN, THE WAR FOR HIM IS OVERAND YOUR SPIRITS ONCE AGAIN MAY BE AT REST...In Darrowshire...
>>583052005>tank>tank>druid>shaman>melee>priest>boomkin druid>resto shaman>Warlock>Mage
>>583048510actually fun and not meta slave bitch like the rest.especially if you're a Dwarf chad.
>>583052229irvine california had a low of 69* F on 8/18/26. It is clearly fake even without any digging but anyone that trusts this is a retard
>>583051807They were clearing pre-nerf MC on day one in random quest blues and greens in classic. Vanilla was not hard.
since i cant be arsed to camp the OP and the insane amount of fighting over whats in the OP, remember <dogfart> is an alliance PVP EU guild for /wowfg/also we probably have the only confirmed real foid in the guild and she has said nothing
>>583052468>hunters crying right now
>>583052461I really hope the Forever devs put in some more big ass, multi-zone quest chains like Darrowshire or Rakh'likh.
IT'S UP IT'S UP IT'S UP IT'S UP
>>583052232This will be the inevitable reality these "muh horizontal progression" tards will have to face eventually. The only thing that has kept WoW trucking for over 20 years is the constant vertical progression. Everybody will get bored once they hit the ceiling and nobody is going to come back to do yet another boring raid that drops nothing good and is tuned for fresh characters.
>>583048027Looking like what?
>>583052232His opinion is sound, but the moment he claims "this is what 99% of us want," is the exact moment he's just another retarded nigger whining on the forums about what makes HIM happy, while being yet another dumbfuck who looks at what current exists, considers what doesn't, then thinks that means it will never exist.i.e. Retard
>>583052229god those taglines are so gay i hate ai
>>583052397Less people is always a way easier raid because more people means you’ll have more retards in your group. Tards can’t into mechanics or got other tards with them and they’re just overall totally fucking retarded.
>>583052229very obvious AI image, were you born yesterday?
>>583052498anon that's a 9, september 18
so now that we are on break, what is everybody going to play November and why ?I am kinda torn between Hunter, Rogue or Warrior, just becaue I like to solo farm and grind shit and these classes will not be fucked by mana problems
> Create warrior> Get some copper to buy a two handed sword since sword and shield is straight> TWO HANDED in red andi can't equip itDon't fucking tell me in Wow Forever you need to spend money learning to use fucking weapons a warrior should know how to fucking use
>>583052623I hope the Forever devs fill the game to the brim with gay shit! Oh wait, I dont have to hope, KatieDev on the case :)
>>583052713Tauren druid on pvp, I'm also going to level a shaman. I don't know if I want it on pvp or on pve though.
>want to play warlock>remember they have 0 mobility >every fight is the exact same, dots/curse, coil and drain or try to fear>one of you dies, or they run awayAm I wrong in this?
>>583052713Balance druid (who can heal because it's piss-easy even without Resto's talents) to go alongside my buddy's Prot warrior.Then either Troll Warlock vs Troll Mage named Ibidi Badmon for when I'm playing solo, depending what I feel like on Day 1.
>>583052498Actually California has had cloudy cold mornings throughout September, the climate in California has been ping ponging from heatwave for a couple days to dropping off a cliff because of El Nino
Why do you guys doom about wacky potential hypothetical far off scenarios instead of just having fun?
>>583052752You're level 1 retard, it's your first day on the job. You trained with 1 maybe 2 weapons. Pay your taxes.
probably gonna level my spriest since the new mobs and quests are gonna be swarmed
>>583052765The homo/trans fad is over, you're old news. Go back to being a goth kid.
>>583052752>Don't fucking tell me in Wow Forever you need to spend money learning to use fucking weaponsback to retail m8.if you can't have 10 silver at level 10, you won't make it to 60, especially as Warrior.
>>583052865>doesn't want to be the chad standing his ground and force the defeated male to leave
>>583052713aion 2
>>583052713whatever plays best on controller, i'm joining the beta tonight and training myself these next few weeks with a dualsense edge and figure out what's the most comfy class
>>583052634I have been tricked
>>583052674I just mean I don't want it to feel like wrath or cata 10mans. Not because they are like impossible or anything, but because so much of Classic is about having party buffs. If you need perfectly optimized parties like people were posting above then it will suck. BRS/DM didn't require it, but Wrath/Cata raids were hard enough to require all those stats, but by the time those raids came out the game was already everything raidwide and homogenized utility.
>>583052606That extra melee slot is likely a ret paladin too for blessings. There's really no reason to take a hunter in any raid format. They only have buffs for other hunters. You'd be better off with any other class
>>583052945Direct consequence of most of them not even playing the beta, so all they can do is doompost and try to stir up activity.
>The only 40 man raids in Forever are single boss encountersThoughts?
>>583052956>>583052985IN FUCKING WOTLK 3.3.5 I START WITH A BIG ASS TWO HANDED SWORD AS WARRIOR SO FUCK YOU I DON'T WANNA USE A FUCKING SWORD AND SHIELD.
>>583052961Yeah I'm not racing any of my alts to 30 yet, will focus on my 10 shaman and enjoy the comfy empty Barrens questing.
>>583052865yeah you should not play warlock, only I get to
>>583052685it's still wrong
>>583052713Dwarf shaman is my main, also making a nightelf druid and a gnome warlock. I'll probably also roll either a dwarf warrior or paladin to duo with my wife.
>>583052229what the hell are "heritage quests"
>>583053121>wraith babyouting himself as always
>>583049075yeah idk if it's been like this all year but i tried checking out the forums a few days ago and there were retailgoys unironically dumping long ass chatgpt essays as game criticism it was pretty fucking depressing
>>583052984Youre gonna have your heart broken kid, i hope you get as much joy out of this experience as you can because we’ll look back on it one day in pure fascination.
>>583045995SoM was good. It's #1 fault was releasing during TBC.
>>583053129ye just looking out for you and your boomer eyes
>>583053121WOTLK doesn't exist in this timeline.
>>583051871YOU GUYS HAVENT MADE IT EASIER AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>583053121too bad
If sweeping strikes is still viable i know what my main is going to be.>>583052865Yes, but free mount, AOE farming, high skill ceiling in pvp, succubus
wheres the friggin server
why does it have wheels
>>583053226The only heart that's going to break is yours when you realize all this lgbt shit is just the current. You're just like every other goth kid or hippy.
>other MMOs have learned their lesson and have personal loot with no mob tagging; you contribute, you get credit, simple as>can push big updates without any downtime>WoW, in the year of our lord 2026 is stuck in 2004come the fuck on bro
SERVER'S UP
btw if you guys are getting any kind of crashes or driver lockups turn off hardware acceleration in the bnet launcher. Especially if you are on ayymd like me.
>>583052232trvkewe want a hybrid of horizontal and vertical progression
>>583052229>People really believe they would add High and Blood Elves immediately after adding a race that can be practically identical to High/Blood Elves except in name
Things Aggrend needs to add to paladins>Spell Interrupt>Exorcism on all targets, with a built in slow effect>Cleaving attack for ret>Spell reflect for protection
>>583053174Think of Class Order hall.
>>583053328Go play those other MMOs then. The friction is important.
>>583048510totem caddy
>>583050972Which is a problem with loot aquisition being too fast and not a problem of the raids being too easy you dumb mouthbreathing double nigger. Holy fuck you useless mongrels are the reason retail is in the state that it's in. And somehow I wouldn't be surprised if blizzard listens to this jungle tribe IQ and go down the same route again.
>>583053121>roll sword and board class>complain about sword and board
>>583053080>warrior tank>paladin tank>paladin dps>feral druid>enhance shaman>healer priest>boomkin>restosham>warlock>mageMaybe they could take the mage spot, he doesn't bring much other than arcane int which we can get a lesser version of with some camping.
>>583053412You already have spell interrupt. How and Repentance.
>>583053328Yeah they learned their lesson by being dead or shut down lmao"Bro you should copy these dead mmos and change your #1 biggest mmo in the world"
>>583053325Youre like pretending im a blizzard employee here?Ok ill play along!Yes my super smart goy… i mean gaymer who paid 60$ to fomo test a fotm rerelease :) All the “woke” is gone! Keep paying that sub fee okay?
>>583053112>>583052397I like the idea in line with what the other anon said about them being big theatrical / narratively important/cool things. I don't think any of the pre-existing 40's should be cut up or reduced (on release), but I think with each update / content patch, also introducing something like an open-world raid boss, or an instanced 1-boss for helping to add gameplay to the new narrative would be sick.
>>583053403No one likes the retail blues elvesI'd say it's more believable now than it wasAs a way to build back trust with the community after the Skyborne fuck up
>>583053121there arent any quests that give you shields early on besides the white one in elwynn forest so youre forced to tank early dungeons with a 2h or hope you get a green drop shield
>>583045739Hello WoWfriends, I have never played this game, though I did play Warcraft 2 when I was a kid, loved that game. I've been mostly just aware of WoW over the years, it never really occurred to me to play it since you have to pay a subscription and I grew up poor and as an adult there's plenty of FTP so I just never really considered it, but is all the Olympus drama actually something that you have to contend with in the game, or is it just a streamer and his audience goofing around and the internet is milking it for views?
>>583053309wedding_dress, big_boobs, fat_ass, satyr, world_of_warcraft_(game), warcraft_3, looking_back, looking_at_viewer, purple_skin, lingerie, goat_horn, elf_ears, long_elf_ears, pointy_elf, ears, Generate
>>583053527> Sword and board class> The icon is a two handed sword> Sword and shield doesn't do any damage and thus is unusable for leveling> Sword and shield requires grinding for extra items > Sword and shield barely gives you protection and will just end up getting you killedKys, retard.
>>583053328>>can push big updates without any downtimewhat MMO is doing this
>>583053605>60 dollars is a lot of moneyhow are you alive?
Ok bros I'm stuck. I want to play a class I never played before. So it's either Warrior, Shaman, or Warlock. I like both pve and pvp and I want to get invited to shit but also level solo easily and quickly. Is warlock based? I was a mage and remembered shitting on warlocks but I was also one of the best geared mages on my server.
Are they really resetting everyone back to lvl 1?
>>583053564Repentance isn't an interrupt, it's a disorient.
>>583053701Warlock has some of the safest and comfiest leveling besides Hunter.
I will grayparse every single fight but I will still get loot because I ERP with the leaders, officers and loot competiton
>>583053649if you roll alliance on the PVP server you have to deal with olympus because the guild has over 30,000 members (yes, really)if you roll horde you don't have to worry about themsupposedly asmon is moving to PvE after the beta is over but you still won't have to worry about it if you're horde
>>583053701try WarlockShaman is.....not all it's cracked up to be
>>583053716Yes and they are also adding a 1000 gold deficit to your account so you cant spend anything until you earn it back
shadow priests how are we feeling
>>583053716Yes. My nephew works at Blizzard.
>>583053701ignore >>583053849play dwarf or orc shaman. be a king.
>>583053698Yes, good cattle! 60$ is nothing!Im glad you said that because the base version of Quelthelas and the High Elves is 120$! But of course… you wouldnt want to skip the 200$ deluxe version with extra pride flag cosmetics, right? :^)
>>583053804k agp tranny thx
what's up my little piece of shitto
>>583052514What's pre-nerf MC?There is no pre-nerf MC. Though you could call classic MC nerfed MC. Not because MC itself had changes to its difficulty, but because classes themselves received massive changes between 1.1 and 1.12. Remember what Bloodthirst did before warrior revamp? Probably not. It was a bad victory rush. Remember what rogues had in the place of weapon expertise before the revamp? Throwing weapon specialization. It rivaled improved distract for the worst rogue talent.But enough of that. MC was a beginner raid for a new game. But go do naxx without wbuffs and 20 warriors. It feels a lot more balanced.
>>583052095>19 years agoForever was looking good then!
>>583053890raped
>>583049597I was trying to think who it could be and remembered tradechat. What ever happened to this broad? she used to spam youtube with wow videos
>>583053701Warlock PvE becomes a minigame of how many enemies you can fear juggle at once and how many in a row you can do before stopping to eat. Shaman PvE isn't bad, but leveling as enhance is a lot of fishing for crits that admittedly feels great when it happens but rough for consistency.
>>583053112I think it's cool if you can have it be a big moment. And the spectacle of 40 dudes taking on a huge big boss is really fun. It's also much easier to get 40 people together for something that takes a short amount of time rather than something that may take a few hours, and this is the most major part. Something like Archimonde, but done in classic would be awesome as 40m. Running a long ass 13 boss raid as 40m just sucks ass if the raid is any tier of difficulty higher than nerfed 1.12 MC.
>>583053935why are you so spiritually raped
>>583053674
>>583053078Yeah those weren’t even reads you fucking retard those didn’t even drop epics all the way through. Youre so fucking stupid and retarded.
>>583053701Warlock is the least played class and have unique debuffs which every raid will want. It is also very good at 1v1 pvp. Good choice for both factions but better on Alliance due to scarcity. Competes with preist/warlock/mages for gear.Shaman will only be wanted for chain heal and wind fury totem. Will be a bad choice on horde because there will be a lot of them. Alliance this is an amazing choice due to scarcity. Mediocre in 1v1 pvp. Competes only with other shaman and paladins for gear.Every other player in the game will be a warrior and with blizzard saying they will not be top dps anymore you will want to be prot or will struggle to get a raid slot due to competition. People will still want fury warrior dps. Terrible in 1v1 pvp. Competes with many other classes for gear.
>>583054052i remember when she had a melty over Classic wow launching in 2019 because mark kern was a sexist or something.
>>583053935NOOO DON'T SUPPORT WHAT YOU ENJOY
>>583054052She escaped the goyloop and got impregnated by a man despite the jews best efforts to kill birthrates
>>583053631The Skyborne's existence in-game is reasonably written, does not break pre-existing lore, and are presented very distinctly as potentially vicious, politicking, and blood-spilling as the early Kaldorei + Queldorei are. Their starting zone sets up foundations for the future Molten Core revamp, the Thunderfury+Thunderaan questline, and for letting them introduce an Air Elemental / Al'Akir / Uldum(?) update later on.Blizz's biggest fuckup with the Skyborne was being so legitimately out of touch and retarded as to put a soft, pretty, bluebabe on the trailer as the 'face' of the trailer instead of keeping it focused on the Dwarf Hunter's alternative journey.
Have they said what the fuck is gonna happen to the game's artstyle'I don't give not one, not two and not three fucks about high elves and blood elves and skyelves and gameplay and shit.I want to know if SD or HD will get removed or what. Because it's insane to play a fucking game in which half the models are brand new disney shit and the other half old 2004 garbage. The game releases in a month, WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY GONNA DO?
>>583054134Does she have hairy legs or hairy boots?
so no warlock tank am i getting this right these fucking niggers took the slam dunk that was meta and just threw it in the fucking trash holy fuck whoever made that fucking decision is a paycheck stealing thiefback to spamming SB like a fucking dumb retard ook ook nigger
>>583053112where was this stated?i am not categorically opposed to it but i think 40-man raid dungeons are part of what makes vanilla WoW different from modern games and it would be weird to never do one againi don't raid though so maybe 40-mans suck ass
I think the play is roll a druid on launch and as I near 60 make a warlock successoryou get the 1-60 wpvp fun of druid and then funnel that into a class that actually scales at endgame
>>583053542>shaman>enhanceYe...
Bullshit game. Everytime I set foot in Ashenvale gangs of night else Amazonesses jump out of shadowmeld and pin me down to harvest my Troll mojo (cum) I'm fucking exhausted bro
>>583054201>sheanon I...
>>583053649I never encountered any streamer bullshit so far>>583053701Warlocks are great mains and one of the best levelers. Great in pvp also but they're hard to master, a lot of buttons and utility.But a lot of people find them boring for leveling, so if you want to level a class that has a more fun rotation it's probably not your best bet, also because of their damage over time nature you'll be shit at dungeons. Also soul shard management.
>>583054134This is what Blizzard wants to keep from us
>>583054178>Will be a bad choice on horde because there will be a lot of themThere's never enough shamans.
>>583054106Youre very religious are you? whens the last time you went to Church then?
>>583054057>but leveling as enhance is a lot of fishing for crits that admittedly feels great when it happens but rough for consistency.Forever added 5% crit for shamans in the first 5 points for spells and attacks instead of just attacks. its definitely noticeable. Also level 20 you get 45% less mana cost on your shocks and lightning shield so less downtime.
>>583054267i hate metamorphosis
>>583053328I think there is something visceral about seeing the loot drop and getting a chance to get it. Personal loot takes that away, because obviously you can't have every boss dropping 40 epics/legendaries, that would be way too much gear. But then if someone doesn't get anything, then they don't even get any feeling at all. They are just sad nothing dropped for them on personal loot. But on group loot/loot council/dkp/hr/sr whatever, you can see the loot. You go to loot the boss and it's all there, you inspect it, you salivate, you get ready to roll for it, you get hype when you see you rolled high. It's a different feeling, even when you lose it feels better than when you see nothing at all.
>>583054337There will be significantly more shaman on horde than alliance.
>>583054267anon... its just beta
>>583054262Legs, although I suppose they should go all the way up to her waist
>>583054094Lol you’re so fucking shit at games dude you probably just want to queue LFR then you’ll get your undies in a tangle when you realize that harder content is above your skill level and drops much better loot. You can’t put all the loot at pinata style 10 minute bosses. Fucking stupid as fuck amateur raid designer don’t quit your day job unloading trucks
>>583054240They are working on it. It's clear the pivot to SD was a last-minute change but they have made it very clear that they understand the complaints so I would expect more SD models to trickle in every couple weeks even after launch.
>>583054267Despite your rant making you seem more like a probable bot, the answer is: Unlike rogue-tank, which was pretty clearly shot behind the shed during the dev talk about always being the highest pure dps, warlock-tank remains uncertain and possible.
>>583054240i vote for HD going forwardsince it's "FOREVER", they can't just keep making 2004 tier assets it takes too much work at this point with modern systemsthis is Classic+, not Classic not Vanilla, this game HAS to feel fresh for several years in the futurethe art direction though should stay constrained to Vanilla standards, they're different thingsthe Skyborne zone for example, is the slickest the game should look
>>583053701>I want to get invited to shit but also level solo easily and quickly.Shaman.
>>583054230based. hopefully a black kang is the father
I will tank for you, if you are EU Horde.
>>583054238
>>583053935I'm very poor and $60 is still nothing.
>>583054364didnt ask now did i cunt
>>583054473its way hotter if its only the legs though
>>583054568>they can't just keep making 2004 tier assets it takes too much work at this point with modern systemsno it doesn't
>hunter>enh sham>warlock>maybe even rogueim so undecided im ngmi
>>583053328Shared mob tagging devolves into everyone running around spamming abilities to tag all the active mobs at once, not actually directly fighting anything.Personal loot is just boring. You're stuck praying you get something through pure rng and the weekly reroll coins don't make it feel any better. If you get items from any given boss you already know it's basically impossible to get loot from the other bosses.
>>583054379Youre so fucking stupid dude it’s literally a numbers game and it doesn’t change based on what loot style it is. If the item has a 10% chance to drop you’ll have to kill the boss 10 times to get the item. Youre actually like severely mentally disabled irl just like the average blizzdrone who pays for beta access and buys gold to spend on makgora.
>>583053631Nobody cares about the skyborn lore. 90% of their players just put on the normal skin tone and golden eyes and larp as high elves anyway. Adding them after would be the most massive waste of time and resources.
>>583053112There is definitely an idea where you create this raiding environment where 20 man rosters are the norm, then sprinkle in shit like Onyxia's Lair. Nobody is gonna have a standing 40 man roster for these one-off battles so it encourages guilds to team up and jointly take down these huge opponents which could be a cool vibe. That said one aspect I always missed from Vanilla was having a roster so big that every class has it's own little in-guild community and I know some people do enjoy the logistical challenge of herding that many players to and fro.
>>583053328I don't understand how anyone can seriously be in favor of personal lootit's one of the most soulless things about retail
let me in
>>583054551not a bot, i fucking love tanking but dont want to play a warrior for the 985198123198519th time
>>583051089and the average player is still so bad they struggle with them
>>583051930Chud Coded
>>583054568I wouldn't have a problem with HD if it was actually in the 2004 art style. Judging by what we've seen so far, I highly doubt the current devs can do that though so I suppose I'll be playing with SD models forever
>>583054679>Huntermost common class and least needed in raids>enh shamanworst melee dps available in the game, only exists to buff other players with windfury>warlockchad dps, always wanted>roguebest single target damage, non-existent aoe damage, competes with other more important classes for gear and is hard to find a group with
>>583054712>If the item has a 10% chance to drop you’ll have to kill the boss 10 times to get the itemthis isn't how math works retard
>>583054379he literally mentioned mob tagging in the post so its about quest items
>>583054679level a shaman get established be a kingthen play rogue/warlock pvper
>>583053935I wouldn't want those extra things, but if I did it wouldn't hurt me financially at all to drop 200 dollars on something I want
why does blizzard take forever to release patch notes
>>583054240It's their main game, they can make 2 versions of each model.
>>583054623Its one thing to pay 60$ for something.Its another thing to pay 60$ to play test a nostalgia streamer fotm fomo cash grab 2 months in advance of its free release, just means youre incredibly retarded.
>>583054865this person got 1 tapped by an enhance shaman and is salty about it btw
>>583054712>retoilet faggot pushing personal loot>calls other people stupid
>>583054870Don’t ever reply to me or my son again
>>583054568>it takes too much work at this point with modern systemsHow the fuck does making low poly shit take too much work? are you trolling?There's people making new low poly games for that PSX nostalgia, there's people making low poly shorts, there's people making low poly gay porn.But blizzard can't make fucking low poly models in a game in which 99% of stuff already is low poly?
>>583054720It would show blizzard is listening and atoning for their mistakes
>>583051930Same except white human male ret paladin
>>583054238It would have been alright if it was a second fight scene between a skelf shaman and skelf mage rather than the ending on her face.
>>583055025you don't have a son and you never will because you're infertile
If they'll add worgen i quit for good
>>583054479If you say so man
>>583054954I wanted to play the beta because it's funI'm having fun 60 dollars is not a lot of moneyYou're poor
>>583054568>it takes too much work at this point with modern systemsIt doesn't. It's in fact a lot easier with modern systems.
my goals>roll troll priest>level to 40-something>get the voodoo mask from zul'farrak>mind control people off of cliffs
>>583054240>picwtf is this skinwalker
>>583054912I was healing HoT for a few days on shaman, had the same guy who was leveling different classes keep whispering me to heal for him to get him through the dungeon. I know most players won't make it to the 30's on them before switching so I just need to stay the course.
>>583054865>enh shaman>worst melee dps available in the game
>>583054948>they can make 2 versions of each model.Then why haven't they? Why Undead Paladin new horse is exclusively HD that clashes like crazy with SD? Why Anduin still uses the low poly model even if you're playing in HD?
>>583054976You're never going to get close enough to hit them
Vanilla had more than enough time in the sunWe need TBC+
>>583054792>dont want to play a warriorwhy?>0/minimal loot competition since protadins want SP and INT plate>TC scales with STR/AP now making AOE tanking much better>big ass fuck off single target threat with SS and revengeprotwar will be fun and noone will play it bcuz tanking takes effort
So are we going to start a chud guild or no?
>>583055096>retailers see this and shart and fart themselves in excitement
>>583055131At least someone that understands how the game is supposed to be played
>be sleepy>try to sleep>can't really fall into sleep>manage to doze for an hour>not sleepy anymore>only 11 pmFUCK I wanted to sleep fully so I'm ready for after the maintenance this is bullshit
>dood i was "good" 10 years agounc moment
are dem servers up doebeit?
How hard is this you dumb fucking blue haired californian subhumans?
>>583055117Yea buddy, ya got me, i cant afford the 60$ and im sour grapes fox!Its true though I am having more fun making fun of you reddit tourists than I am playing retail :/
>>583055265who are you quoting
so Shaman's impression is Jack of all Trades, master of Nonebut in reality it's just Jack of Nothing, Master of placing Totems and watching other people play the game?
>>583054865>Hunter>most common classwasn't true in classic and won't be true this time
Should I go skinning and leatherworking on my Shaman?
>>583048812>spirit bond
>>583054954Take your pic:You did the macdonalds thing to get a cheap beta key which is even sadder than paying the 60 burgersOrYou don't even have access to the beta yet you're still hereEither way you're retarded
>>583051089This single retarded video tricked THOUSANDS into believing vanilla was actually hard before classic launched.
>>583054954You're paying $60 for a video game. It's not that hard to justify. In fact, due to the nature of WoW you're only paying $45 dollars for the game.
Will they address the new quests having poorly written directions in the actual quest text? I want to discern the questing area from the quest not necessarily just use the tracker.
>>583055028Yeah the "uuuhh errrmm we lost the technology" is a MASSIVE cope on blizzard's end. There's no way they couldn't do it when random people were making better skyborn models within the first week, they just don't want to. The real question is whether the driving reason is incompetence or ego
Smite Priest is gonna win the tournament its way over tuned and heals a lot.
>>583055312Uuuh chuddy??? Thats le tozic??? Made by heccin toxic m*les who rape innocent women in the office? Oh my Harris you dumb ch-chud!
>>583054238I'll enjoy my elfie on Horde. My group of sweaty apes will clear dungeons for me while I get all the loot in exchange for keeping their dumb asses alive.
>>583055337If shooting lightning isn't fun to you than Shaman isn't the right class for you.
>>583055327>a retail player lecturing others about how they spend their moneythat's a good joke dude
>>583053112Dealing with loot in 40m is cancer. One boss solves this and still gives us fun 40m content. But there should be more world content that requires even more players, like the AQ gates. I don't know how they would do that without it feeling like you missed the content if you start playing 2 years later or whatever.
>>583055337ya
>>583055337This is a elf druid poster and can safely be ignored.
If you want responsive and engaging combat go play retail, i dont know why you fuckers are asking for complex rotations when the devs said classic is 2 or 3 buttons max.
>>583055436it's not hard when everybody uses essentially what are cheats to complete it
>>583055096>he thinks im impressed with his world 473747th clear Cutting edge is a shit achievement you probably had to farm that for months and probably felt like your guild was a complete failure for not clearing it as fast as rank 100 guilds do. I’ve been in rank 100 guilds trust me it’s a huge difference in player quality. It’s like comparing a home cooked beef burger to a gas station cooked beef burger, they’re not done in the same style.
>>583055337So don't play it? I'm not sure why you're making yourself so upset.
>warrior main>warlock altboth tanks (hopefully)fun: will be had
>>583055312you motherfuckers need to let go the old classic artstyle has aged poorly
>>583055352All the metrics indicate that it current is by far the most played class
>>583055498You wanna see my 90$ broto? :)
>>583055131You have no idea how many times I rolled a priest for the sole reason of fucking with people using Mind control.I've never got one to 60. I hate priest.
>>583055436it was hard back in 2006 when everyone sucked ass at the game
>>583054479Imagine running naxx without wbuffs every week. Or even worse, running it on your alt as well so twice a week. There's a reason why classic started dying with naxx.
>>583055496shooting lightning would be lots of fun if it was actually powerful instead of tickling the enemy with a weak stream of piss
>>583053381Diagonal progression perchance
>>583055436It was this and all the oldheads going "yeerp Naxx was one of the hardest raids ever, only 1% of the playerbase ever cleared it!"
What's wrong with survival hunters?Literally just make a warrior retard
>>583055312you would still complain
>>583052998Mage will probably be pretty easy. Post results.
>>583052943yeah but it never went under 60 in that area. it's very fake
>>583055536Then post proof
>>583055060Yeah, if the Skyborne presence in the trailer was something like the Dwarf Hunter coming across a violent shaman vs mage duel, it might've come across more classical and less friendly-peace-uwu.
Leveling a Shaman to 60then a WarlockAll within the first 4 weeks.
>>583055576show metrics or kys
>>583055436>>583055675It's factually true though? >1% Not even close. Only 30 guilds cleared naxx.
>>583055096
>>583049943VE scales with damage dealt so obviously they had to nerf it after the damage buffs. Otherwise you would bring spriests to cover raid healing instead of real healers.
>>583055553>the old classic artstyle has aged poorlyAre you implying 2014 warlords of draenor disney style aged well?Please watch this without laughing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5lbapjvI
>>583055675i mean try playing this shit with 15 fps and 300 ping and then we talk, people spazzing these days if they do not get 120 fps with 12 ping
>blizzard, blizzard, me need windfury, plz make windfury raidwide, plz make windfury stack, no one want to play dwarf, how am I gonna find 4 dwarves for me competitive 20-man, blizzard I can't play rogue me friends will take enhancement shaman instead for the raid composition help me help me!!!
>>583055638Swifty was still a pro gamer in 2006. I think you’re massively overstating the skill quality increase over time. Swifty is still top warrior dps in battlegrounds for a reason.
>>583055553>the old classic artstyle has aged poorlyobjectively false
This thread is Shaman Cope Central.
is this good class design?
>>583055312Honestly when forever is revealed to have 10x retails playerbase I don't think them making new models more in line with the classic ones that unbelievable
>>583055490Good healer.
New model leak
>>583055553You're right, anon. The new artstyle is so much better what were we thinking.
>>583055675In a decade Naxx will be leveling content essentially. We’ll be fighting encounters with 50+ mechanics and in ilvl 670 legendary gear. DK’s will summon the J’lor and Hunters will have duel centuar husbands as pets theyll be so strong!
>>583055690The Rexxar larp seems cool to meI don't think theres ever been a pet class where you melee with your pet holding aggro
>>583055661I agree. Chain lightning felt really good when it critted in classic. Let's hope they boost the spell power. Don't forget, this is not classic and blizzard will adjust classes if neccesary.
>>583055785>>583055842>it was hard because everyone had shit PCs and people were retarded!I mean sure, but that has nothing to do with the actual mechanical difficulty of the content.
>>583055490And then they get to gangbang you after.
>>583055436This vid + ultra scuffed private server numbers tricked a bunch of people. Pservers apparently didn't have the real hp or damage values of raid bosses so they just made shit up, resulting in them being way more difficult.
>>583055896Gay sex with top right and top left.
>>583055553they only age poorly because our screens have 10x the resolution which upscaling would solve without pixar-ing the game
>>583055851How is this a problem? Theres a lot of variety in the classes they want instead of classic where over half the 40 man raid is just warriors.
>>583055768me on the left
>>583055940>Before and after The Taurening
The perfect solution to gear acquisition is to gate the best loot behind skill. People seem to forget that this is an MMO, not a movie or a Facebook game. If every raid were LFR difficulty, even the most casual players would eventually quit because nothing would feel meaningful.The problem with retail is that they made raids too complex without making it engaging or satisfying to learn. The perfect middle ground is Cata raid difficulty with Classic simplicity. Every raid should be clearable without a guide, and if you wipe, you should know exactly what happened and what the solution is, rather than failing some razor thin DPS check where being a second too slow means a wipe, like in retail.
>>583055807>Are you implying 2014 warlords of draenor disney style aged well?I'm saying the WoD models look better than the classic ones you're pretending look good because you're blinded by nostalgia
you retards think shaman players want to top meters when the reality is we just want to be good enough to top meters when we put more effort in than others. if im showing up to raid night with my guild and we're all buffed and consumed and coordinating, i am not expecting to be near the top. in that environment we just want to do enough damage to be worth bringing. but if im in a shitter 20m pug and im more prepped or playing better than others, i should be top 5 dps in the group
>>583055994>had shit PCs literally what are you talking about? shit PCs? The only things shit PCs struggled with was the major cities. You're making shit up.>they were all retarded!!!!!you have literally no argument.you are carried by world buffs, and 20 years of turbo minmaxxing.
>>583054473tf where is this model in game?
>>583055553>what an improvement!
>>583055896Why are the HD versions so different from the SD ones? They're not even the same design-wise so why?
>>583056127dont worry sister, after the next balance patch… itll be our turn…
>no ce kiljaeden
>>583053935Dude the beta is the game. What ever monstrosity blizzard shits out at release will die out after first bigger content patch. This is the experience we all remember forever
>>583056147The guy I responded to literally said "i mean try playing this shit with 15 fps and 300 ping and then we talk,"
>>583056171
>>583055576Sure I was playing hunter the other day but it was my 4th level 20.
>>583055724The climate varies wildly in California, many times what's stated on an app doesn't match the reality outside or in the surrounding area you're currently in
>>583055958Rexxar larp is cool, it's why I played Survival in Retail. Fighting next to your beast homie is awesome.
>>583056220you have no argument
>>583056171the only bad HD models are the human ones yeah
>>583056105How do they look better than classic? How do 2014 character models are acceptable in 2026? Not because you're a man child who grew up with Disney so you have Disney arstyle nostalgia it means WoW needed to be turned into Disney shit.Grow up.
>>583056171do you not want reno911 in game?
>>583056184because blizzard wanted the models to be able to show expressions when you do emotes
>>583056158>artist signature in cornerit's not ingame
Noob question. I had some guy in my group today and he could ping the terrain with a blue marker for where we need to go, he could also give warnings about important mobs with a sound.Was that his addon or is it part of the base game?
>>583056213Oh. Youre one of the sane ones… Rare in these parts! Yea im just over here getting my shits and giggles in, I cant wait till this turd gets flushed itll be one if the funniest days ever!
>>583056147>you are carried by world buffsisn't this because no one back then realized they could use world buffs to break raids though
>>583056265You're a retard
>>583055892they dont want enhance shaman chads fire nova and chain lightning critting people for 1200 + 1200 instantly.
>>583056302>How do they look better than classic?They're more visually pleasing to my eyes than the classic ones.>How do 2014 character models are acceptable in 2026? Try again ESL kun
>>583055096You are like little baby
>>583056342It's a new Options feature you can enable+setup.
>>583056394You wouldn't have made it to 60 without restedXP
>>583056342Pings are part of the main game. Forever is built off the retail engine.
>>583055768pornsick pedophile jannymentally ill faggotkill yourselfstop stalking this place with your spam and avatarfagging ritual posting
>>583056242you retard i live here. anything in the major metro area of LA and OC don't vary that wildly from each other due to being in the basin. only varies once you get close to the coast and in the deserts outside the basin. it was never 55 in the irvine area or oc or la
>>583056342Its base game.
>>583056342how do you think some guy's addon would interact with your unmodded game?
>>583056491At least its not as humid as it was last month. Still not looking forward to the upper 90s tomorrow in the LBC.
>>583056275Everyone looks like shit, maybe you're just a porn addict who enjoys his AGP fantasy on big lollypop head 2014 disney female models?
I think the HD models are an improvement on most races, but the ones that are bad are REALLY fucking bad.
>>583055436Running a raid with full world buffs and 16 fury warriors is like playing on LFR.
>>583056478i just saved one of his images dude, im not the person you think.
>>583056384I mean yeah. But also you lose them on death and actually had to progress the fights for the first time. It's not like you just waltz in with full knowledge and clear it all.
>>583056578lmao this is the level of intelligence your game is bringing in xD Have fun with that!
>>583056452Alright this guys probably like a decent player. What’s the verdict on these important questions -do shamans deserve it -do warriors -is personal loot good -should ah fee be increased on silk cloth
>>583056606yeah it's gonna warm up but it's dry and not the humid heat that was making me want to kms. winter will be wet and i'll be inside playing wowf comfy
>>583056609The HD models on the elves look good, better than the classic ones even. here's my character so you know it's me saying it
>>583056275The ONLY HD model that's an improvement is probably undead.
>>583056478take your meds
>>583056684Also there was no chrono boon or whatever it was called in classic.
>>583056695playing with retards is the genuine classic experience
>>583055958Personally I think 'major lore character' larp is always a bad design path for class specs, especially for Forever which is supposed to be about the player's and their journey in the world.
>>583056438>They're more visually pleasing to my eyesBecause you have nostalgia for disney garbage, you porn addict manchild. Grow up.
Question for the class.How long before personal loot is implement from the outcry?
>>583056127Just ask the WCL admin to count WF damage for the shaman, like they did for other support buffs.
>>583056463Um acksually I used Jame's 2006 guide
>shrink raid size>still need multiple paladins for buffscant help but notice
i agreed with everyone that the new tauren models are atrocious then i made a female tauren with the tufts covering her eyes and it's cute as fuck ngl
>>583056748>here's my characterAnd she would look cuter if you toggled on the old models
>>583056748>Hands turned green from jerking off too many orcsI always thought that was an old wive's tale...
my last cutting edge was mythic JainaI miss my guild from that time bros... every guild I joined since has had drama and shit
Patch notes up and paladins gutted lol.
>We will soon add a warning to the game that will appear whenever you trade with strangers. The warning reads:>"Be wary of accepting gold from unknown or suspicious sources. If the provider is engaged in Real Money Transactions, you could put your account at risk of closure. ">Our stance on RMT in World of Warcraft is crystal clear: any account belonging to any player that is found to have participated in generating, selling, buying, or receiving illicit gold is subject to the gold being removed, account suspensions, or permanent account closures.https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/actions-taken-against-botting-and-rmt/2368705https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/actions-taken-against-botting-and-rmt/2368705https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/actions-taken-against-botting-and-rmt/2368705
>>583056792>Because you have nostalgia for disney garbage, you porn addict manchild. Grow up.You're not making any sense man I didnt watch any disney stuff growing up
>>583056147You did NOT play back in vanilla if you don't understand just how bad the average players pc was at the time.
>>583055787I didn't start raiding until Legion
>>583056452>cutting edge in Novemberbruhnot the flex you think it is
Caring about your appearance to other people is for females. I will click on SD and not care about what I look like to others.
>>583056748> The HD models are good! look this is my female self insert!>> *literal tranny pedo*What a shocker the people defending the new models are all porn addict agp transexuals.
>>583056478>just call people pedophiles >automatically win>it's that easyI love it, life is so easy now and people somehow still manage to complain. Skill issue I guess
>>583056578I used to have an addon that could link fake Achievements so I would get a raid spot.
>>583056609Male orcs look fucking great with new models, all the faces have different character and it just has that soulOf course its no secret blizzard put the most work in them as they were redesigning Garrosh as the main villain of an expansion
>>583057005october sorry hehe*literally 2 months before the last patch released
>>583056950Bro your camping buffs? Gonna be hilarious looking when 40 people sit around a single campfire with 7 attachments.
im trans and i play alliance
>>583056980>we will add some random clutter that tell us absolutely nothing about the trade happeninguh, ok
>>583056980Why does this link just take me to a picture of two centaurs standing by a pond.
>>583052229>ai still doesn't understand perspectivehow many gorillions do those lazy fucks need before this shit is fixed
>>583056950Blizzard… you need to add flexible raid sizes… We havent been able to fill a 40 man raid since EASTER!>t.Angry forum post circa summer 2027
>>583056748Taurenbait
>>583056635immediately outs itself as a furfaggot retoilet this must be a thrilling experience for you, not having to samefag reply to yourselfkys
>>583056452I posted Legion because I played Legion. No one plays retail garbage and should take the opinions of retail players seriously. I also used a screenshot from years ago since I didn't want to resub to make a post on 4chan for some retard who has 0 proof of his claim of being in a top 100 guild, meanwhile saying I'm retarded for not wanting faggot personal loot in my game.
>>58305717340 mans are actually just 25 mans where you can bring extra.
>>583057173Classic had it right by tuning MC and ony for 20 people but allowing 40 to enter.
>>583056748ugly ass bitch(male)
>>583055851>mfw every alliance guild will be recruiting any dwarf shaman off the streets and showering them with loot >mfw alliance guilds will hard force their raiders to swap to shaman
>>583056980anything but banning the offenders or going after the botters, absolutely maddening behavior
>>583056737yesyesyesyes
>>583057060>and it just has that soulYou're such a pathetic troll dude all the orc faces are hideous, angry and extremely wrinkly. The cataclysm starting quest for orc says you're just coming of age yet your orc looks like a 50 years old.Meanwhile Thrall has eyebrows And let's mention how female Orcs look like Fiona from Shrek.
>>583057027isn't this dude a notorious stalker rapist who only transitioned so he could stalk and rape another tranny
>>583057235stop being a nigger
>personal lootwould unironically install over this shit
>>583057520neck yourself
Shamans should have been given to Night Elves only then would people play them
>>583055553old art style is goated and the game genuinely still looks good today.
>>583055096>>583056452>no Lura>no DimensiusAt least do the great fights if you are stupid enough to suffer through cutting edge
>>583057405>don't join guild>mercenary dwarf shaman>laugh in Scrooge McDuck pool of gold
>>583057520dont worry anon they cannot possibly be that stupid
>>583057494Are you a porn addict because you're trans, or you're trans becuase you're a porn addict?
>>583057470when it comes to troons that doesn't narrow it down by much, anon
>>583057494not beating those pornsick allegations are we agp loony troonywnbawkys
>>583057567kys retoilet trannyfaggot>>583057520FUCK I MEANT UNINSTALL
I will play shaman and you WILL bring me to your raids and I WILL be rolling need on every DPS trinket
Is this real? Are they really trying to balance the PVP megaserver?
>>583056992I did and that isn't an argument. You are carried.
What class and race do Trans people play, in your experience?
>>583057405i played a shaman on a dead server back in tbc classic and i got 3-4 whispers every time i went into shattrath asking if i was looking for a guild
>>583056064in classic every single class is brought into the raid on both factions just because the 40 man allows you to stack the best dps class on top of that does not mean retarded group based buffs are not bad for 20 mans
>>583057640he also posts the most midwit shit ever on youtube and then frames it as "using my philosophy degree to help people"
>>583056452ce doesnt mean shit loleveryone gets carried through thosepost scores that actually matter(hardest season in the last 5 years btw)suck my dick
um when i try to play i get disconnected??is this a bug???>>583057735they usually post anime/gacha on 4chan idk what class and race
>>583057698Hilarious to not only pay money to play a beta, but also pay monthly for a suscription, to not be allowed to play what you wanna play because "Wahhh there's too many players with that combination :("
>>583057405>tfw I can refuse to go resto and guilds will still take me even if ele and enh end up sucking ass
>>583057698They aren't "trying" this will appear literally 2 minutes after the game goes live. Dwarf Shamans literally killed Alliance
I like female butts
>>583052713Druid, I've always wanted to play one in Vanilla but the lack of an out of combat rez felt weird, one of those things that doesn't matter a WHOLE lot but there's always those awkward situations in 5 mans where you're the only person that can rez people and even then only one person on a long cooldownIt also sounds like Druids in general will be more fun to play with the changesAlso also, I don't have to be a fuckass tree
>>583057698yeahtry being original for once and not going horde for pvp
>>583057457>all the orc faces are hideous, angry and extremely wrinklyAnd the old models... weren't?
>>583055896People keep saying that the dwarf HD models look good, and we must have completely different fucking eyes because on my end it looks like they turned their fantasy dwarves into goofy looking Snow White and the Seven Dwarves cartoons.
>>583057791that actually rings a bell kek
seems like they're going out of their way to not ban the gold buying shitskin. bad optics
>>583057865I know people who will not under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES play AV if they aren't HordeThey literally cannot function without the autowin turtle strat.
>>583057808>you MUST let me ruin the faction balance on the PVP server and kill wpvpno
When do retoilets leave this thread?
>>583057913the HD dwarfs look like tolkien dwaves to me
Why doesnt blizz just make cool upressed SD models instead of pulling retail shit that clashes horribly? This shit is gonna generate them a gazillion dollars surely they can spend a couple mil on SD model texturing.
>>583057913if you look at the other races, the dwarf hd models are some of the least bad ones
>>583052606>>583053080there will 100% be a tranq shot boss in every raid to get your 1 token spot
>>583057735Blood/Night Elves and Paladin, Priest, Hunter
>>583057698They have to do something if sharting can't do it. In BC a server called Al'Akir had like 70% Alliance and 30% Horde.I didn't play there but I bet it was a rape.
>>583055720sure, if u guys dont mind i can share a few screens of my setup journey, if not tonight maybe tomorrow since the update might take ...forever
>>583057850female or "female"?
>>583058008>the HD dwarfs look like tolkien dwaves to meI don't see it.
>Buy $20 of gold.>Buy some cheap storage bags.>Stand in major city just tossing 1 or 2 Gold and a shitty bag at each new player under level 15.>Wait for results and hopefully get as many people permanently banned as possible.Seems pretty easy to exploit this.
>>583056064It's not a problemI love this design of either having windfury or receiving it, I like that if you want a competitive raid party you need some specific components, 2 warriors, 3 paladins, 4 shamans, a druid of each spec, etc. Everyone wants to be the chad night elf rogue doing the most damage, no one wants to be an ugly dwarf playing a support class, it creates a fun dynamic
where the fuck are the patch notes
any word of when it may be up or still no info
>>583057893>And the old models... weren't?Is it that hard for people in wowfg to play wow?What is wrong with you?How miserable and lonely are you that you can't check such a simple thing yourself?
>>583057974The horde cries out in pain as they ruin the game with endless dev favoritism
>>583057913yeah they look pretty good.
>>583057092thats march, its 6 days after the boss released
>>583058158last week we didn't get patch notes until 5 or 10 minutes after the servers were up
SERVERS UPSERVERS UPSERVERS UPSERVERS UP
>>583057240Yea im on the front page of warcraftlogs dude i dunno. It just happened, i wasnt even trying to get a top 10 parse. It even surprised me. I always knew i was a better player than everyone but i really wasn’t expecting it to be by such a giant gap. That’s truly a massive increase to my average DPS compared to most people who will be in the “lower group” category where they’re technically in the bottom 99.9999% of players. Thats a fucking embarrassing category to be in. I just get instantly invited into high level guilds like onlyfangs or BEEP BEEP IMA JEEP, because im also a multi r1 pvper too. I always knew I was a good pvp player but I just wasn’t aware exactly HOW MUCH BETTER I am than most. Thanks to the arena rating system I just don’t need to guess what average skill is because that was me at the rank 1 position on the leaderboard. These days im still getting legendary every day and night I just see orange my eyes can only see in orange.
>>583053112it is obvious the new raid size is 20 and they just left onyxia there so people wouldnt bitch about killing 40 mans because you can do ony with 20 anyway
>>583057978> PVP IS RUINED FOR ME BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE PLAYED PALADIN UNDEAD :(Aww :( Their fun is not your responsibilityBut seems YOUR fun is everyone else's responsibility.
>>583057913Yeah that's definitely a you problem
>>583058248sir I believe you are mistaken, for I just opened the login menu and could not connectplease clarify
>>583057735elf (any) healer (also any) seems like the stereotypical choiceprobably also draenei but they're not in (yet)
>>583058202>alliance still seething about BFA 8 years later>in the intervening 8 years alliance has been the meta faction for all content
>>583058248you will get yours, sir
>>583058170What a weird chip you have on your shoulderSure keep using your youthful handsome orc cardboard faces
>>583057913The HD dwarves aren't terrible but they move around and bounce way too fucking much. SD clears by miles though.
rogue bros... how we feeling. feeling like picrel. finally some good fucking news. #1 dps class
>>583058035soothe beast will apply the same effect
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA GOLD FAGS BTFO
>>583058248your (You) for making me check
WHEN WILL THE BETA MAINETANCE END AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
any info on what the quests are like for the level 30 shaman weapon?
>>583058332>someone else**translator's note: 80,000 people
>>583058410> Makes false statement since he doesn't even play the game> Is proven wrong like a little bitch>> UHHH YOU HAVE A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER UHHH I HATE YOU!You should kill yourself dude.
>>583058443>one uttered sentence in a podcast and now rogue will be the new bandwagon classnot great
>>583058202It's their turn. All the relevant parts of this game have always been about Alliance.
>>583058486Nobody is gonna believe they'll crack down on RMT until Ziqo gets banned
>>583057698they left the incredibly overtuned orc racials as they are and gave fan favourite undead paladin to horde AND the fucking pretty elves can be shaman on horde too while alliance has ugy manlets as only shaman
>>583058443still won't get invited. Steals too many items from other more important classes.
>>583058486>always play for a few months and then give all my stuff away and quitfirst time it'll be hard to find someone who wants a bunch of free gold I guess
>>583058147>gave him an OakenshieldIgnorant swine. He earned the name Oakenshield when the Dwarves attempted to enter Moria when he was young. His shield was cloven so he used his axe to hack a branch off of an oak tree, he dial wielded it as a club with his axe.
>>583052514Keyboard turning ability clickers cleared it.
>>583058486*except streamers
>>583058486STEMAERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>583058486Police state shit.
>>583058570>one uttered sentence in a podcast and now rogue will be the new bandwagon classunfortunately this is true. bad rogues have always been extremely terrible. >>583058636if it's like the browns were in classic then we'll still get invited just because it's good to have. in 40 mans instead of 25 warriors prob 15 rogues.
>>583058486Streamers will get no bans and will continue findomming their goldsluts
>>583058563Calm down son. You seem to be projecting a lot of hatred that I never said
>called someone a tranny yesterday before logging>now when logging in it auto disconnects meWTF does this mean?
>>583058670... and from that day forward, he swore to only use simple, crude shields of oak with no paint or heraldry until the mountain kingdom of Erebor was reclaimed.
Wtf is even the plan for forever? Something along the lines of "we fucked it all up, lets start over again" or is it just a secondary project to appeal to older players like a classic+? If its the later it would be strange since it wouldnt last long. This is all very suspicious.
>>583058835The goldsluts will have to procure the funds themselves. They of course will do that but it's technically legal.
>>583058835>can't wait to give asmondaddy my gold!!!
>>583056325They literally look like shit when they use the in game models to talk. That is the gayest excuse I've heard from them.
>>583058486I know this is a stupid question, but I assume if something happened like you gave a portal to a guy, he tipped you 5 gold, but it turns out he was a gold seller or had bought gold, that wouldn't warrant any action against you right?
>>583058906permabanned
blizzard is showing a pattern of caving to community complaints with all the recent changes. ive seen like 5 shadow complaint threads in the past 2 days, what do you think blizzard will end up changing about them to appease them?
>>583058956ZAMN shrek looks like that?
>>583059091Shadow priest isn't even a thing before 40.
>>583058956hmm.. im ignoring your post. instead i will talk about how i am mesmerized by this gif.intriguing.
>>583058795GOLD BUYERS IN SHAMBLES
>>583059036It's pretty plainly stated. If you accept gold from someone who purchased gold illegally, you will be punished. Period.
>>583058956Its 24/7 boomer core, once the zillenial streamers are gone we're just gonna be out there chillin with the boys doing military RP
>>583058486I find it so bizzare why people would need to buy gold for a beta that was capped to 20 and will be capped to 30 before everything gets wiped.
>>583059207because of the 100k tournament
Does anyone have that gif with the duck shaking his ass cheeks and it says kiss my ass nigger
>>583059140well im leveling my priest to 30 soon to see if thats true, we get vampiric embrace and silence at 30 so it could have potential i hope
>>583059140Neither is melee hunter. a lot of specs have the issue of not coming online until late in the leveling process.
>>583059140no matter if shadow disc or holy, you will be a wander anyway until 50 or so
i have a buddy that 100% buys gold but fibs about it and pretends he is "auction house spec". However he has not been banned.How do i make sure he does? I want to lol as he pretends he got banned for saying racial slurs or something.
You know Blizzard is doing something right for once when all the big streamers are literally losing their minds about this in real time for all of us to see
>>583058486meanwhile only one streamer got banned for buying gold and he just made a new account
>>583058443Rogues need a complete class overhaul. Every one of its signature abilities are trash. It’s too easy, anyone can do it. It’s fun to press slice and dice but let’s be real here. That’s not good game design. We NEED rtb back to add some more focused RNG. We NEED normalized auto attack damage to increase the skill gap. Higher skill ceilings belong on the rogue class. Retail subtlety was probably the best decision Blizz ever made and we should be using shadow dance in forever. Most people can’t figure out what shadow dance does. Symbol of death is also another confusing skill that makes shit players get anxiety and they end up rerolling ret paladin. Thats good game design and I would pay money to play rogue if it was a more rewarding class.
>>583058486all talk no actionhate to say this, but this is probably worse than saying nothing, the stark hypocrisy of their words and clear inaction in face of blatant rule breaking is just going to make people more frustrated and angry at them
>>583059307hacks@blizzard.com you can email them here actually. name your friend give the info.
>>583055896I bet 90% of Americans in this general look like this lmao, rest are troons
>>583058956classic+
>>583059290It's SoD shadowform now. Priests can cast over 3 spells without ooming now.
>>583059207Id be surprised if even a decent number of regular people are actually buying gold right now in the beta, I think they're just taking the opportunity to send a clear warning that punishments are supposedly going to be harsher across the board, so people aren't surprised when the ban waves start landing post-launch I could be wrong of course, but I desperately want to believe that no one in their right mind would buy gold on a beta
>>583059207WoW community are of the most degenerate. There's people reserving gear from WC.It's beyond sad.
so who is the hero class in forlo?
Well now that Warriors are fixed are we assuming that the Undead Paladin population is about to be cut in half? I can already see them rerolling to Orc Warrior.
>>583059307Easy, if it can be proved by a single glance over the gold by a GM then file the report
>>583059347>WE NEED RETAIL ROGUEI mean just guessing but maybe this isn't the game for you
>>583059459paladin
>>583059389I look like this
>>583059307damn, I'm glad I have actual friends
>>583059458It's always funny to see LFM DM Cruel Barb HR.Even better when its >LF2M Tank and Healer DM, Cruel Barb HR
>>583058486>we totally banned some people guyz, don't buy gold please, look how serious we are xd
>>583059347there definitely will be a skill gap. most retards will get by with just SnD and white attacks but weaving in the rest of your kit will be the high skill ceiling. they're adding more things per the podcast ep for rogues
ASMONGOLD COPING HARD ON STREAM. Good fucking riddance.
>>583059493it's a troll, not a single person has ever liked roll the bones
>>583059459Warrior probably. They're still going to be absolute shit to level to ~30, but after that they're actually going to be less dependent on other people/buffs than they were in actual Classic. I never see anyone mention this, but rage normalization actually is better for casuals.
>>583059091SP weak AF right now.t. discpriesting through beta.
Human seems op, human hunter with a stun break and perception. Horde rogues living the nightmare
>>583059347>plays wow classic/forever >muh skillcap>I need a class that is worthy of muh massive skill>need muh rewards for pressing 3 instead of 2 buttons
>>583059487>a single glance over the gold by a GMso its never happening lmao
>>583059493Like it or not you know im right. Pro rogues will see their dps on the meter isn’t even higher than shit rogues. Because it’s totally RNG dependant without even a single thought of what’s called “upper skill floor / higher skill ceilings”. Some shit rogue will just auto crit a bunch of times and now you’ll never catch up even if you press the same exact rotation even harder than him. I always go as hard as I can im raiding 100% of the day.
>>583059642human racial is shared cd with pvp trinketit's not as good as you think
>>583059550so you are part of the other 10%?
>>583059387really?i had no idea. i'll tattle on him right now, thanks.>>583059415its incredibly common because consequences are never enforced, or very rarely. I know several people who bought beta gold and im only snitching on the one who lies about it and pretends he's dr economics. the others i don't give a fuck.But to answer your question, the rationale is always a variation of "more efficient to pay real money than it is to -waste- time farming". i do not agree with their reasoning with this but that is what they will always say.
>>583059608whats he saying?
asmoncuck better keep playing alliance pvp, I settled on my character now and the only reason I want to play is to rape as many olympus faggots as possible
>>583058906Servers are down. Unrelated.
>>583058486Damage control and scare tactic.It's been pretty established by now that Blizz doesn't have the resources or will to get rid of gold sellers/buyers.
>>583059036You CANNOT trade gold in ANY WAY (including AH) if you don't want to risk your account.Asinine.
>>583059726>You can't ban me for getting gold from fans. They can just buy me things instead!
>>583059660The dps variance on retail for rogue is enough where you can appreciate how much better you are. Your dps will be much higher than other shitter noobs who suck ass and have learning disabilities. That’s how it should be.
>>583059347Kill yourself
>>583059550Some women and built for comfort, some are built for speed.
>>583059714no cause thats actually a woman, by the strictest biological definition If I were trans I would be chromie
>DUDE THE BASED DEVS ARE FINALLY BANNING RMT!>but did they ban any of the streamers who already bought gold in the beta?>NO!
>>583059639just some stinker talents, like why does mind blast need to cause so much threat, have a talent dedicated to threat reduction, then bloat our tree more with improved fade. then our only mind blast talent is to help with the annoying CD on mindblast which i dont even know why we have it when other casters damage spells rival it, seems like shadow wasnt very thought out outside of "shadowform 50% mana reduction"
>>583059715meanwhile i got banned in WoD for 6 months, for using a keyboard marcro on my Hunter......
why would someone buy gold on the beta
>want to play paladin>no one lets you dpsFucking hate this shit. I just want to be finally be a ret pally with the HoJ
>>583059810>>583059608Hes playing hotshot rn claiming hes the best scammer out there and hell figure out a way to play the system like the grand izzat he is
>>583059706pvp trink is 5 min. human racial is 2m
>>583059731he'll fuck off once the ragebait content complex he thrives on dries up or another check clears for some other trend/politics/game to promote/advertise/push, how are people still not aware of his behavior at this point, it's so on the long nose and obvious
>>583059956beta testing the countermeasures ofc
>>583059956They are either a streamerfag trying to get an advantage for the dueling tournament or a genuine idiot who thinks beta progress carries over onto live.
>>583060016He is literally retarded if he thinks he's going to outsmart Blizzard. Can't wait to see him get banned.
>>583059991W/e pinko, heal me up while I frag this charlie
>>583060019human racial doesnt break sheep fear or roots
>>583059812It was funny to see in Legion when the other rogue hit god rolls on RtB.
>>583059956>list all my auctions for 10g>sell one and make 10g profit >list all my auctions for 1g >sell exactly 10, make 10g profit >list all my auctions for 2g>sell 5, make 10g profit >sell a boost>make 2500g per hour >work a job and buy gold >make like 8000g per hour
>>583058287it would be nice if they put meme pug raids like ony at 40, but proper stuff at 20
>>583059731we've already seen this whole song and dance anon>game launches>50 olympus guilds>ya dood it's fuckin sick dood fuck minorities dood>madness for 1-2 months while everyone gets to 60>asmon reaches 60 and starts raiding with the same insular group he's always raided with>49 olympus guilds realize they will never be "in" his groups or run content with him>they're all comprised of spastic manchildren and implode immediately when left to their own devices>the original Olympus is all that remains>asmon starts raid logging while his 39 slaves play the game like a full time job to give him 3 hours of content every week>alliance numbers plummetit will happen again. it's already happening.
>>583059715absolutely giga based. hope the gold buyer gets what's coming.
>>583059706does wotf share cd with pvp trink too?i asked before and keep getting conflicting answers.
>>583059608>hating streamers is reddit nowKEK. This the full circle is complete.
>>583059908Mindflay also getting worst the more points you put into it is also kinda weird.
>>583058486This will KILL tipping culture and I'm so happy. "Sorry enchanter bro, can't tip you I buy gold" and no one will be the wiser to my lies.
>>583059908yea idk what they are doing, shadow word death is cool, but that feels like the only change to shadow really outside of the obvious fix which were the mana problems. on a side note it sucks we get it at 32, cannot play with it this 30 beta phase
>>583058486>someone you dont know trades you gold>get your account nukedinteresting
Literally nothing stops me from listing an item for 500g and having my gold seller buy it.
He doesnt have to outsmart Blizzard. They will continue to look the other way with streamers because the views they bring in outweigh, no pun intended, the people who are upset that they're getting away with it.
>>583059307Ask him to give you the strats
>>583060326you still sore bout that 20 gold I owe you
>>583060429unusually high purchases would be a really easy alarm for blizzard if they actually take it seriously
>>583060016Is that why Indians love him so much? He's so spiritually punjabi?
>>583060429You can't do that because you're not a streamer :)
>>583060242meant for>>583060242
has wow not updated yet? I just got home
>>583059347All this shit sucks. All Rogues need is Cloak of Shadows and Shadowstep back. (and moving combo points back onto the Rogue)
>>583060429>known gold seller buys something from the AH>you get raped because it is easily trackedhaha lolyeah man that 500g single linen cloth bro!
>>583060429>waow someone bought my linen cloth for 2000 gold haha crazy never would've expected it!You're not slick
>>583060429for this to work, especially with how they've formatted the new auction house, you would need an item actually worth that much to sell. otherwise the sale is insta-flagged. this won't work.
I tell ya what tho.Thoughever Enjoyers are eatin' good with this game being named WoW Forever. I tell ya what.
>>583059991Because they're afraid you're going to play DPS and roll on tank gear, like 95% of the other DPS paladins and warriors.
>>583058486>Jimothy avatar
>>583060559wow is over deleted no
>>583060567Let the retards believe they can outsmart Blizzard. I can't wait to see them bitching in future threads about it.
>>583058486>beware of receiving gold from unknown sources The entire point of currency is that you can transact with unknown sources
CHECK YOUR JUNK FOLDERS, THEYRE GOING OUT!!!
How do Blizzard customer service agents and MVPs get off talking like people like shit on the forums?
>>583060681>this time for sure bro they will ban you
>>583060497>>583060567>>583060628>See some meme gray listed for 100g in the AH>Pay a gold seller to buy it>mfw I spent a measly $10 to get a random nigger bannedCHAOS REIGNS
>>583060759So true saar how do they be of to the speaking on us like this???
>>583060759that's their payment for doing it for free
>>583060448I have, several times. He doesn't wanna "reveal his secrets".everyone knows he's full of shit. He'll humble brag about an item in disc while showing off 300g in his bag. The others who buy gold are super lame for sure but at least they don't pretend, they own up to it.
>>583060248
What if there's an RP community who buys RP properties with Gold?"I bought Booty Bay for 10,000 Gold."
Anon, you tried. But the manlets tranny mods wouldn't let you ask your question.
People keep saying>So if I get a tip from someone for a portal who happened to buy gold, ill get banned too?No. GMs are human beings. They understand the concept of intent. They can clearly see a valid transaction happening. This is only going to target people who accept like 100+ gold out of nowhere from someone they have never met, or someone buying an otherwise dirt cheap item on the AH for like 10000 gold.
>>583060913it is himself then lol
The only time I've traded hundreds of gold is deathrolling guildmates.
>>583060876Lmao
>>583060680but i've lost over 20 lbs and stopped jacking off everyday because of wow
>>583060895they have records of everything said in game so there would have to be a lot of dialogue to explain it
>roll feral >tank dungeons and 10 mans>dont let a single ret faggot into my groups
anything over 50g for now is gonna be sketchy and reviewed probably as rmt
>>583060981will probably kill deathrolling too, that gold could be boughten.
>>583060681>buy 1k gold on classic because I cba to farm for edgemasters>get it mailed directly to me by some random I've never interacted with>never punishedI think you are overestimating blizz by a lot
>>583060960>No. GMs are human beings.at best they're indians
>>583060861and they all have max level retail characters
>>583060960there are no GMs they are all automated bots which is exactly why you can get raped by the automated system from botters mass reporting you
SD Orc Male Models are magnitudes better than HD Orc Male Models.SD Models won.
>>583060960>Hello sir, portal to Stonard?>Sure! 1G!>Gee, what a nice price. And great service! You know, I'll probably be doing business with you in the future so how about I buy 500 future portals right now?It's just that easy.
>>583060429It's crazy how foreversperms are trying to reinvent the wheel here.
>>583061092They were lenient on buyers. Now they supposedly wont be.
IT'S UP
>>583060895It will get flagged and if no gold buying is spotted, it's legal.
if they wipe the beta that would be beyond based
>>583061160retoilet lost yes we know.
Making new thread now
>>583061092ngl im pretty sure people who bought gold got away with it
>>583061184not defending men. TROOOONMONGOLD
>>583061160agreed
>>583061171yes, this time blizz will be different, people haven't been saying this for two decades or anything
>>583061207they legitimately should so they can see the new changes to leveling again, will be good feedback for launch
LEAKED NEW HUMAN MODELS ANONS>read the filename if you dont believe me
>>583061291just play the game
>>583061184true
>>583061184Asmon's car insurance used to be posted on 4chan all the time, complete with a info of his home address.If any nigga was gonna do it they would have already.
>>583061323all soldiers of asmons will keep gooning so we can be just like him!
>>583061323Im gonna keep gooning
>>583061164That would require>The gold seller being of a level to even make portals>Having a history of selling portals to appear legitimateA GM could easily tell if someone was hacked in order to do a trade
>>583059706>human racial is shared cd with pvp trinketnope, otherwise it would say
>>583061358I am, I also don't care about RMT or streamers
>>583061323can you use mods for character models without being bad?
>>583061487
i dont see many gnome priestsgonna make that
>>583061421>GMone day surely
>>583061304before this streamer tournament got announced they probably would have for that exact reason. but now there's $100k and a bunch of retards on the line, which is why doing it anyway would be based.
>>583061543I am one
I love the Hinterlands. It would be a damn shame if blizzard didn't fill this place with more to do questwise. A shame I'm gonna be maining ally because I love revantusk.
>new bg open on betaLmaoing at everyone who thought we were going to be sitting in cities doing nothing. Reminder if you don't have 5 alts at level 20 ready to get to 25 with at least 5 professions skilled to 150 and a main with 40 quests ready to complete, most of them being dungeon quests then you won't be getting into the good premades. No 5 extra talents? No invite, scrub.
PrEPpers on life support lmao
>>583058486>oh well we didnt warn the streamers so they wont get a ban little chudsame shit different day.
i have 6 level 20s so this is kind of annoying but desu i mostly did this to decide what i wanna play on launch so whatever
>>583061731all my hard work engineering for points
>>583061731Actually based, not gonna lie.
>>583061184hopefully it'll happen as trump destroys amerikkka more and more, little by little people get more desperate and violence becomes the norm, that's what I want to see from very far away
>>583061627>>583061731pottery
>>583061731HAHAHAHA DUEL TOURNEY FAGS LEVELED A DOZEN ALTS FOR NOTHINGTHEY BOUGHT SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS WORTH OF GOLD TO LEVEL PROFESSIONS FOR NOTHINGLMAO
>>583061731kekfuck the retard poopsockers
>>583061731lol
>>583061731hahaha get fucked tourneyretards
>>583061731Why did they do this
>>583061184>bro suck Israel's cock every chance he getsHe will never be kirked.
>>583061731>blizzard buffing the average player to close the gap between streamers and everyone elselmao they wanna see someone NOT already in the inner circle take it. honestly based.
>>583061731
>>583061731lol, as they say.
>>583061731so you telling me people had all jobs on 225 and all classes ready to push to 25, to get legacy points in a beta that is going to end in 3-4 weeks....lol, lomao even
>>583060759Marisol and Orilya are among the worst
>>583062123it literally says so in the screenshot. they want people to test out and give feedback on the legacy system, without this in place the only people that would have enough points to play around with are a small minority of poopsockers
>>583061731what is a legacy point
>>583063498it's like a talent point for your account
>>583063646what does the tree look like?
>>583064002it goes horizontal instead of vertical
>>583064002this is the only thing that matters for the beta
>>583062123you understand you're playing a beta where all progress will be wiped in about 30 days, right? They're testing shit. YOU'RE testing shit. That's the whole point.
>>583061731that is based as fuck
Post your 26 point talent build
>>583065036
>>583065136>doesnt take redoubt and the free 6% mana talents >thinks 6% damage reduction is better than 10% 1h damage with reckoning
>>583065397>1h damage with reckoninglmao
>>583061731>Join beta (to test things for free)>They give you the things to test with>SurprisedDo... do people not know how betas work???
>>583065323
>>583065397>Takes turdnessEven acknowledging that talent means you have a room temp IQ
>stuck on retrieving characters list REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
