Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9630 - Swipe Left, Swipe Right Edition==NEWS==>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond short animation in Fall 2026https://youtu.be/ZOdpBJdeOhI>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on 19 March 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>Netflix animated series for preschoolers with attitude in productionhttps://variety.com/2026/film/news/crazy-taxi-movie-netflix-sega-sonic-stranger-than-heaven-1236861148/==COMICS==Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #3 - 14 October 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #91 - 28 October 2026Sonic and the Blade of Courage #17 - October 2026==OTHER==>Booruhttps://sthg.booru.org/>Linkshttps://rentry.org/sthglinks>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>Support BoC!https://bookwalker.jp/series/568134/list/Previous Zone: >>583230358
First Barry of the thread
FIONA IS NOT A STACY, SHE IS NOT AN ENTITLED SCHOOL WHORE!
2nd for you should jack off, now
>>583270824>Swipe Left, Swipe RightSomewhere, someone, tonight, is getting pussy.
>>583271256Boobs. There, I said it.
>>583271168Yeah, she’s just an entitled whore instead
I wanna fly high
I'm going to ride a horse Mobian to work. Tie them up outside and feed them an apple
Correct body proportions
>>583271884Amy's in Blade of Courage?
>>583270824>Honey in the OPBad choice.
>>583272094¡SEGANDOOOOOO!
>>583272068Yes and it saved the character in Japan.
>>583271884>nigga looking at her tits.
>>583272068Yes and she was great!
¡Mi amor es una gatita!¡Y es muy bonita!Con el corazón que arde y quema de pasión!
>>583271539Why would you want to fly high? Up there is only air, tainted with pollution and peoples' impure thoughts.
The bigger Tails is, the cuter.
>>583272379>>583272560SONIC'S BITCH
>>583272460Yeah, so am I.
What are each character's catchphrase(s) anyway?We had discussions about Sonic's before and how people think it's shit from memes but what about the other chatacters?Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Rouge, Silver, Blaze, etc
>>583272769That is nothing compared to the pollution and impurity on the ground
>>583273093Amy's is "Have no fear, Amy Rose is here!" and Shadow's is "Hmph."
I swear to god, if i put my hands on amy rose in a dark alley i'm gonna NNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
We need Tikal back
>>583273486tikal is CUTE and PURE
>>583273486Movie 5, SA1 based
Hmph!
>>583273806I sincerely hope they never taint adventure with that godawful Hollywood shit.
>>583272068Latest chapter last month. Weirdly enough krack was the one who made a zeroday machine translation and some anons were giving her heat for it, then she made up for it by posting in the next thread wind-whisperer windii's "professional" translation that was churned out hours later. Which pretty much exposed that 90% of the translation was the same and the anons were complaining about nothing because windii STILL overrelies on mtls (SUPER unemployed!) which eventually snowballed into...well we'll see how things go!
>>583274064Can either of them actually read japanese?
>>583274064I don't care about made up twitter drama, I just love to see Amy actually being Amy again
>>583274064You can trust windii's mtls because she knows japanese unlike krack
>>583274263ching chong bing bong aaaah noo my hips are moving on their own uguuu and you're 99% of the way there
>>583273941>only by his red eyesAnd you know, not the full black fur, red lines or clothing.
>>583274295>valid point>finishes in a completely insufferable brainrot-ridden waySo it goes.
>>583274387Not to mention the chest hair
>>583274295good point
>>583273953You put respect on the franchise savior
>>583274064Her smile and optimism: restored!
How can we fix IDW?
>>583274064Blade of Courage keeps delivering!
>>583274881Rather dead than OOC
>>583274949Fire all the writers and replace them with someone competent for starters
>>583274387>black furDark Blue and black look similar >red linesNot easily visible at a distance>and eyes are?!For their proportions, yes! Also they pierce in the dark.
>>583275061Such as
>>583274881>doesn’t look like sonic>doesn’t act like sonicThis is a sonic general, we only post sonic here, the movies arent sonic
>>583275167Me
>>583275167Ian mutchler
>>583274295>mtlsIs it that hard to rewrite the dialogue to be more natural?
>>583275201>Shadow is an asshole loner who hates everyone around himYes, he is. You hate SEGA's vision for the character. Shadow canonically has no friends and is an asshole. Even Evan admitted this when confronted by angry Shadow "fans" like yourself about how much he's "mischaracterized." Just admit you hate Shadow and stop pretending that Shadow being some uwu soft boy isn't your headcanon, because it is.
>>583274295https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/583010412/#q583047653
>>583275474He's only soft when it comes to Maria but even then he's still autistic.
>>583275474Truthnuke. Do they not realize it says he hates all of humanity in bios? This fandom bullshit portrayal is out of control.
>>583275474I don't even care about Shadow. He's very flippant, though, not hateful. Also leave that shit in the other thread, you stupid autist.
>>583275167Penders
>>583275415Not when you have to push out your tranylation to be "FIRST!!xD!"
>>583275621>argue against me in the dead thread where no one will see you own me!!LOL
>>583275474All his core game appearances contradict this. He is a guarded and emotionally pure character, not an asshole.>but sonic retro told me>but this statement Ian made>but but butKys and play the games.
>>583275167Ken Pontac
>>583275724I'm saying not to shit up this one with your retard headcanons that aren't even based in the games. Play the fucking games.
>>583275167Anyone off the street who has never heard of fartchie or shatam.
>>583275749>He is a guarded and emotionally pure character, not an asshole.Being guarded and emotionally pure doesn't suddenly make him not an asshole. He is pure and guarded and an asshole.>>583275783You should play the games instead of watch the garbage takeovers written by westies that have Shadow being an OOC Swiftie girlypop
>>583275884IDW is too widespread. It will poison their understanding of the characters as well.
>>583275976>You should play the games instead of watch the garbage takeovers written by westies that have Shadow being an OOC Swiftie girlypopI've never seen any of the takeovers, so your projection is fucking WILD here. Play. The. Games.
>>583270824Look what the fox dragged in.
>>583274949Vault Tangle, Whisper, Soleil, Nite, Don, and Belle, let the stores have high stakes, put a gag order on alphabet characters, and put detailed guidelines on how the characters are supposed to be correctly written. Take the comics back to the tone of the 2000s Sonic games
>>583275976He is not being rude or abrasive, just to offend people. Which is what being an asshole is. He follows his feelings very straightforwardly, but does not share them readily with others. This can make him appear cold, uncaring, or calculating when he actually isn't.
MAXIMUM EXTREME AND EPIC
>>583275976>He is pure and guarded AND an asshole!
>>583276053I play the games. I saw Shadow being either cocky, arrogant, or dismissive towards others. He laughs when he kills the Jackal squad because he will kill anyone in his way without remorse. Shadow is dangerously pure.
>>583276174>high stakesNo such thing in Sanic.
>>583270824>>583270824Ooohhh honey honey, you're my candy girl !! "O mellicella, mellicella, tu es mea dulcis puella!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTxaTpQ7y1Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwgbfriHWt8&list=RDnwgbfriHWt8&start_radio=1>>583272739"Amor meus feliuncula est!Et formosissima est!Corde quod flagrat et ardet passione!"Fixed that for you.
>>583276273BUMP PUT SOME PANTS ON
>>583276384So this is how Honey died....
>>583276329PLAY.THE.GAMES.
>Shadow is actually kind and friendly and has friendsI've never witnessed this much gaslighting from a character's fans before except maybe Uwuver fans
>>583276514I noticed partway through that she wasn't wearing pants but I assumed she'd be fine like Sally
>>583276598>Shadow is actually kind and friendly and has friendsLiterally no one said this. Not one person.
>>583276360SA1, SA2, Shadow 05, and Sonic 06 say hi
>>583276516Oh she's fine.... she's fine.... Honey is stuck in hell unless you gather all the dragon balls and revive her.
>>583276519But Sonic Battle is fucking awful
>>583276915It's also OOC, which only Violet has correctly pointed out.
Shadow the Hedgehog is against all of humanity. Sonic characters are typically considered people in universe.嫌いなもの: 人類全てDislikes: all of humanity.(Sonic Channel profile for over 20 years)シャドウを人類抹殺の復讐へと駆り立てたIt drove Shadow to revenge. He meant to wipe out humanity.(Sonic x Shadow Generations)分かっているさマリア、 約束するこの星に住むすべてのものに… 復讐を!I know, Maria. I promise. Revenge... on everything that lives on this planet!(SA2, Dark story. Shadow.)僕の記憶には、人類への復讐が刻まれているというブラックドゥームの言葉を試すため、街の爆破を企てるヤツラの作戦に加担した。Black Doom said revenge on humanity was carved into my memory. To test that, I joined their plan to blow up the city.(Shadow the Hedgehog 2005. Shadow.)燃え盛る光景を前に、僕の記憶に潜む何かが少しずつよみがえってくるのを感じていた。人類への...復讐!I watched the city burn. Something hidden in my memory started coming back. Revenge... on humanity!(STH 2005. Shadow.)そして僕の脳裏に、消えかけていた記憶の断片が浮かび上がる。人類への復讐の記憶が...Pieces of a fading memory rose up in my mind. The memory of revenge on humanity...(STH 2005. Shadow.)マリアの命すらも奪おうとする非道な GUNの兵士を蹴散らすと、僕の中に人類に対する憎しみの心がよみがえってきた...The GUN soldiers were cruel enough to try to take even Maria's life. When I scattered them, my hatred for humanity came back to life...(STH 2005. Shadow.)醜い人間どもめ!僕はキサマらを決して許しはしない!!Ugly humans! I will never forgive you!!(STH 2005, ARK flashback. Shadow.)マリアを傷つける愚かな人間め!僕らの前から消え失せろ!You fools hurt Maria! Get out of our sight!(STH 2005, The Doom. Shadow.)星を穿つ究極の兵器、エクリプスキャノンはすぐそこだ。愚かな人間どもめ、覚悟しろ!The ultimate weapon that can pierce a planet is right there. The Eclipse Cannon. Foolish humans, brace yourselves!(STH 2005. Shadow.)星をも穿つエクリプスキャノン... さぁ、人類どもよ!自らが犯した過ちを後悔するがいい!The Eclipse Cannon can pierce a planet... Now, humans! Regret the mistakes you made yourselves!(STH 2005. Shadow.)人間どもがどうなろうと、僕には関係のないことだ...Whatever happens to the humans has nothing to do with me...(STH 2005, Digital Circuit and the opening movie. Shadow. 人間ども is contemptuous.)
>>583276384>>583276516https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3plj_XplusFunny song to get incinerated to.[Chorus]SugarAh, honey, honeyYou are my candy girlAnd you've got me wanting youHoneyAh, sugar, sugarYou are my candy girlAnd you've got me wanting you[Verse 1]I just can't believe the loveliness of loving you(I just can't believe it's true)I just can't believe the wonder of this feeling, too(I just can't believe it's true)[Chorus]Ah sugarAh, honey, honeyYou are my candy girlAnd you've got me wanting youOh, honeyAh, sugar, sugarYou are my candy girlAnd you've got me wanting youYou might also likelomlTaylor SwiftCheeseburger in ParadiseJimmy BuffettThe Tortured Poets DepartmentTaylor Swift[Verse 2]When I kissed you, girl, I knew how sweet a kiss could be(I know how sweet a kiss can be)Like the summer sunshine, pour your sweetness over me(Pour your sweetness over me)[Pre-Chorus: Ron Dante, Toni Wine](Sugar) Pour a little sugar on it, honey(Honey honey) Pour a little sugar on it, babyI'm gonna make your life so sweet, yeah, yeah, yeahPour a little sugar on it, oh, yeah(Sugar) Pour a little sugar on it, honey(Honey honey) Pour a little sugar on it, babyI'm gonna make your life so sweet, yeah, yeah, yeahPour a little sugar on it, honey[Chorus]Ah, sugarAh, honey, honeyYou are my candy girlAnd you've got me wanting youOh, honeyHoney, sugar, sugarYou are my candy girl
>>583276519What is this supposed to prove? He's laughing at the concept of having an ally. Allies aren't the same as friends btw.
>>583276519Sounds like Archie Shadow to me.
>>583276384WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE, I THINK I RECOGNIZE YOU NOW.Why the sudden burst of activity? Laid off?
>>583277104Fact: Shadow's dislike of humanity is official. Shadow thinks humans are ugly and foolish.Fact: Shadow is a guarded loner by his own words. He turns down teams, orders and offers. 人類は罰を受けなければならない...Humanity has to be punished...(STH 2005, GUN Fortress. Shadow.)思い知ったか、愚かな人間どもめ!あの世で悔いるがいい!Now you know, you fools! Go regret it in the next world!(STH 2005, The Doom. Shadow.)邪魔な人間どもめ!直ちにドクターの前から消えうせろ!Humans in the way! Get away from the Doctor right now!(STH 2005, Circus Park. Shadow.)人間どもに、僕を止める資格などない!Humans have no right to stop me!(STH 2005, GUN Fortress. Shadow.)フン、人間どもの戦力など、恐るるに足らん!Hmph. Human firepower is nothing to fear!(STH 2005, Prison Island. Shadow.)フン、チームなど興味はない…。僕は僕のやり方でやるまでだ。Hmph. Teams don't interest me. I'll do it my way.(Team Sonic Racing 2019 interview, Nintendo Dream with SEGA. Shadow.)フン、誰であろうと僕の前は走らせない。僕に挑む愚か者は葬り去るまでだ。Hmph. No one runs ahead of me. Any fool who challenges me gets buried.(same interview. Shadow.)やりたいならば ひとりでやれIf you want to do it, do it alone.(Sonic '06, ev0115. Shadow. Next line: 僕の未来は 僕が決める. "I decide my own future.")僕は、自らの意思で行動する!誰の指図も受けない!I act on my own will! I take orders from no one!(STH 2005, Glyphic Canyon. Shadow.)僕は、自分のためだけに真実を追う!I'm after the truth for myself alone!(STH 2005, Air Fleet. Shadow.)
>>583277175Sorry, you'll need to refresh my memory on where I ever said he considered anyone a friend. Just that he doesn't hate the people around him, you know, like how he thanks Rouge here and considers her an ally.
>>583277104And yet he chooses to protect them.
>>583275228They are Sonic now, you’re gonna have to deal with it
>>583277328僕の邪魔をするものは、たとえ誰であろうとも、徹底的に叩き潰す!Anyone in my way gets crushed. I don't care who.(STH 2005, story text. Shadow. Same idea: 僕の邪魔をする者は、誰であろうと消えてもらう! "Anyone in my way disappears, whoever they are!")たとえドクターといえども、僕の邪魔は許さない!Not even the Doctor gets in my way!(STH 2005, story text. Shadow.)誰にもボクの邪魔はさせない!I won't let anyone get in my way!(STH 2005, Sky Troops. Shadow.)邪魔をするな!貴様らごときがどんな武器を用意しようとも、この僕を止めることはできない!Out of my way! The likes of you can't stop me. It doesn't matter what weapons you bring!(STH 2005, story text. Shadow.)彼女の依頼を引き受ける筋合いはないが、ドクターを探す傍ら、城に監禁された二人を助け出す。Her request is no business of mine. I free the two locked in the castle anyway, on my way to find the Doctor.(STH 2005, story text. Shadow.)自分のために行動しているだけで、誰かに味方する意志はない。He acts only for himself. He has no intention of taking anyone's side.(Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 official site character card.)善行にも悪行にも興味はない / 自分の意志のみに従って行動するGood and evil don't interest him. He acts only on his own will.(Sonic Channel profile, 2025 and 2026.)
I thought Random was based, why is he sperging over Shadow canonically hating everyone? I thought he would be aligned with Sega's worldview of the characters.
>>583235845>>583236587Delivery This isn't lewd enough for 4chinnel I hope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alX-4hkkqlo
>>583277487>why is he sperging over Shadow canonically hating everyone?Because he doesn't and that's not even what that screenshot says.
If Krack knew Japanese this would not be an issue. This is like going to Linus Torvalds and saying he does not know how to program an OS.
>>583277487>Random Randomfox believes that Shadow is a tsundere for Rouge and that they are friends. He said this a lot.
>>583277408You know ShTh05 is about him finding himself and his true purpose right? And the true path that leads to the true ending is full hero, so unless you quote directly from the hero path and true ending then you arent quoting from the real shadow, only an alternate possibility that isn't really him.
>>583277609>Shadow likes nothing and dislikes humanitySo Shadow pretty much hates everyone except Maria. Not sure what the misunderstanding is here.
>>583277793The misunderstanding is that you don't know the difference between dislike and hate, or allies and strangers because you have the mental capacities of a retarded 4th grader.
>>583274042If that ass was actually big this leg would totally be covered by the shadow of the hips. Fucking idiot don't know anatomy, fuck
>>583277770Except he's that way after it too.
Sally is orange. In Season 1 of the show she's an even brighter orange than Sticks. She turns brown in season 2 and Archie and is orange again after the reboot.
>>583277793He's misanthropic. How is this hard to grasp??
Shadow is an asshole.
>>583277408>>583277328>>583277104What the fuck is this, some bot breaking up?
>>583278068Thanks, Sega. Anything else the lore team wanted you to tell us?
Shadow speaks politely. He isn't an asshole. He's just completely honest that he wants (You) to fuck off.
>>583277487I really try with Evan and Ian but I just don't like it whenever they do this thing where they furrow their brow at official information like "Welp, it is what it is!".
>>583278169You'd think this would be an easy concept to grasp, but people are so desperate for their headcanons to be valid that they'll twist any statement to the contrary as "proof" that... the games are wrong, I guess?
>>583278127wdym
>>583278273The tone is a apologetic because they see people complaining when they are writing the characters the way Sega instructed them so it's a passive way of acknowledging the reader's frustration
>>583278169Didn't know murdering people was polite
>>583277214Anon, how slow are you?https://www.deviantart.com/sonicprimearena/art/Nine-Tails-calico-cat-Tails-Tailsko-dark-alley-Sonic-Prime-Arena-1383980071
>>583277695He doesn't. Linux sux.
>>583278273Their attitude towards their employer is not far off from Windii actually.
Stacyiona!
>>583274064Except Windiis was noticably better on the translation.I did not have to figure out the intent of some things due to a poor translation.
The problem is NOT that Shadow is not nice. The problem is that Americans genuinely don't know how to portray that un-niceness correctly. They turn him into Vegeta instead of a teen boy that says "boku".
>>583278547Evan regularly attacks IDW and SEGA when it affects her stories.
>Shadow isn't an assho--ACK!!!!!!
I'm tired of your Shitdow headcanons and interpretations
>>583278547>they are writing the characters the way Sega instructed them so it's a passive way of acknowledging the reader's frustrationNo they're not. Fuck off with this.
>>583278657You said something? Must have been a mosquito, smack it for me, I'm too lazy.
>>583278662>Except Windiis was noticably better on the translation.Windii...
>>583279028Yeah and "Krack's translation" was randomly mentioning a character named Aqua who did not exist.Hers was worse
>>583278665It's funny because the west has characters who are not nice, do not want friends, are not expressive, and aren't evil or vicious.
>>583279028Maybe Imada has wooden lines sometimes. Just like Ian Flynn.
>>583278657You did clean those hands after you dug out of prison, right?
>>583278665He's solitary and prioritizes his own goals above those of others. Anything in the way of either of those draws either his ire or his wrath, depending on who or what it is. That's pretty much all there is to it. But it doesn't mean he isn't capable of setting aside his own priorities, personal or otherwise, to help the people he's learned to trust, even if only because he views them as useful to his future efforts or because he knows having them around frees him up to pursue his own goals. Pretty much every game he's in makes all of that pretty clear, I think.
>>583278547go fuck yourself insincere fuckIDW writers hate this franchise and think they have the right to add all their shitty headcanons to "improve" the series so they act affronted when sega tard wrangles them which makes their orbiters turn against the franchise because muh mandates
>>583278857
>>583278969It's funny, their archie headcanon is at war with their headcanon about what SEGA mandates actually mean, both are terribly wrong. They're mad that they can't write him wrong one way, and complain they're forced to write him wrong another way, not realizing they never even began to understand.
>>583278665Did you notice that sometimes japanese fans will say>I was so surprised when Shadow said bokuBe never say>I was so surprised Shadow did XThat's because Shadow never acts like someone who uses boku. Because Shadow's personality Uekawa/Iizuka are frauds who'd doesn't know what they are doing and the west is in the right in portraying him as rude, because he behaves as a rude person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d20PbhmLNjE
Hey, toaster. Remind me again why are you so butt ugly besides the fact Eggman made you.
>>583278547>the way Sega instructed themWe all know this doesn't actually happen. Sega issues corrections when they get out of line. They don't tell them to write any specific way. Then you have people like Ian outright saying "Well, I couldn't write Shadow how I wanted in the Metal Virus story so I just wrote him out completely."
>The future is a nigger post AI garbage of genderbending charactersWhere are the flying cars...
>>583274881Tyson Hesse saved the first movie. If it released in 2019 the way Paramount wanted it (which is something Sonic Team was opposed to, and got ignored) that would have killed the series for real.
>>583278547Pretty lame yeah
Sonikku in English sounds like a girl's name
>>583279412Flynn said he does not consider Sega's suggestions unless they are mandated.They do make optional suggestions.
Give me the weather report, /sthg/.
Tails!
>>583279112Id want Shadow's powers.
>>583279178Shadow says a couple times Rouge is not actually trustworthy
>>583278857NO NO NO NO MY NARRATIVE
>>583279578I mean yeah? That's what I said. Sega only steps in when they're out of line and tells them not to do something stupid they're doing.
>>583279340Because it betrays something about his internal state that recontextualizes his actions. This is missing from westshit, but if you actually pay attention to the games then it's still clear even in english. If you get all your info from character profiles that are meant to prime you to understand him in one way before the games reveals there's something more to him.
I used to talk to Evan everyday for two years. I never got the idea when talking to her that SEGA was stopping a great vision and repeatedly I thought the Sega suggestions were better
>>583279340>boomfuck off
>>583279448Here are you flying cars. Also I'm white with teal eyes like Rouge's eyes. :^) Don't hit on me silly fujos.
>>583279636>>583279407>>583279167>>583278973Kill yourself.
>>583279807Broadly speaking, anon. No point in taking every statement completely literally. You knew what I meant.
>>583279149Oh yeah, that was such a blind-idiot mistake and we thought it wad foreshadowing another shadowboss, lol
>>583279845Then you will fundamentally misunderstand because you're only getting half the picture.
I have nothing to add to the Shadow debate.But at least he looks like a monster with his red and black and chaos superpowers, and he's fast.
>>583279845THIS
>>583279897Clearly SEGA is stopping her vision of making GOTF canon
>>583280082I mean kind of. One of the mandates was that she is not allowed to do a storyline about the heroes losing. I see the point but this is not that franchise
>>583278857Do you consider Sonic an asshole for being snarky too, or...?
I used to talk to Ian for five years....
>>583278665>>583279340>>583279845Ooh children if only you argued so well in school you wouldn't be here ... unless you're me... are you guys living off your dividends and investments like me and questioning what you're living for? kekekeke.
>>583280210Frustrated by she was frustrated by that.
Sonic and Shadow (West with no mandates)
Cute
>Sonic is maximum. Like maximum speed and maximum strength at the same time. He could whoop every other character with his hands tied behind his... Wait, not even that.
>>583279973*Kills you together with me* hey, you said it , not me. Kukukuku. What did you expect? What is that disgusting barf green creature, by the way?
/sthg/ is being naughty...perhaps they need Shadow correction...
>>583280247He said this to spite the Jackal squad which he just murdered. Maybe you should play the games.
>>583280473He said it to spite Eggman. You play them.
is it a fetish
I talked to Penders for two minutes
>>583280469I need to correct Shadow, with my cock, so his asshole is shaped like my cock for the rest of his existence
>>583280595No, Evan has a thing for ghosts not mind control.
>>583280595IDW has quite a few mind control plots, so yes.
>>583280469You are but wheat before the scythe
>>583280473>>583280469>>583280572Manhildren, manchildren... why don't you play a game with actual characters and story?
>>583280628
>>583280754I knew it, Penders has a secret security detail. That's why Sega can't stop him.
>>583280726Kill yourself.
>>583280754AAAAHHHHHHHHHH
>>583280572Right, the fact that he murdered them and laughed about it is a polite thing to do then. Not rude at all!
>>583280409It is just a shitty oc, just ignore.
>>583280754
>>583280830*Buries you alive* Hey I was being nice with my first offer. ;)Now feel free to free yourself Kill Bill style.>I don't even know what Kill Bill is without Googling!Sucks to be a gen-Zombie + Gen-Alpha. ohohohoho I truly am the last generation that knows who George Jetson is.Here have some music for your funeral, kek.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s&list=RDxvqeSJlgaNk&index=8
>>583280854There's literally no confirmation that he killed anyone in the squad, but okay. Go off, king.
>>583281005Sorry, "destroy". Which means the same thing.What do you think happens when you destroy a living being?
Sonic's story punches above its weight storywise compared to things like COD BF and Halo. I think the elephant in the room that I'm not willing to consider is maybe because Sonic is Japanese and their game direction tradition may be more story focused.But at least they have realistic graphics.
Douge
>>583280628I hate Ken Penders
>>583280469No need Anon already being pounded by a bunch of Zeti I'm one the them alsoIt's ramping up I must go
>>583279149>Hers was worsewas never the point, anon. The point was that Krack's should NOT have been as close to the Windii version as it was. Windii has some skill to edit the parts the machine garbled before release. Compare the Acqua version which is ACTUALLY closer to a professional release before they actually take their time with it and is furthest from either!
>>583281104He didn't destroy a living being, he destroyed a squad, which is pretty standard terminology for defeated. Keep your headcanons in check.
>>583279910Est tu bot? God no wonder you people don't have any friends. Imagine hating on poor wittle Seinfeld Sonic Boom. What's /sthg/'s problem with Boom? let's hear em. It's not the funniest thing ever, but ... what do you expect?Brb I'll go compliment myself properly cause you girls suck at it worse than your lingual skills.
>>583281108>Sonic is JapaneseI can't believe a Halofag understands this better than most people in this fanbase
>>583280473Did you know you can just rip every game's JP lines raw and then feed every single line of dialogue to the most advanced translator software in the world? It's true.すごく繊細で純粋なキャラクターA very delicate, pure character.(Maekawa, creators interview.)おそるべき戦闘能力と明晰な頭脳を兼ね備えた孤高の存在、シャドウです!Shadow, a solitary figure with fearsome fighting skill and a sharp mind!(Sonic Channel wallpaper post.)隙のない構え、迷いのない視線A guard with no openings. A gaze with no doubt in it.(Sonic Channel wallpaper post.)冷静な面持ちで立つシャドウのカッコよさHow cool Shadow looks, standing there calm.(Sonic Channel staff comment.)悲劇を、悲劇を くりかえすな… 僕のような 思いをするのは 僕ひとりで 十分だ!Don't repeat the tragedy... I'm the only one who should ever feel what I felt!(Sonic Battle. Shadow.)人にものを頼んだことがないから、これで合っているといいのだが…。I've never asked anyone for anything. I hope I'm doing this right...(Jet Black Hedgehog manga, p.58. Shadow.)すまないドクター。カオスエメラルドは頂いていく!Sorry, Doctor. I'll be taking the Chaos Emerald!(STH 2005, Egg Breaker. Shadow. 頂いていく is humble phrasing.)残るは3つ... ドクターにはすまないが、僕に立ち止まる余裕はない!Three left... Sorry, Doctor, but I can't afford to stop!(STH 2005, story text. Shadow.)エメル… … …最後に、 頼みたいことがあるんだが…Emerl... there's one last thing I'd like to ask you...(Sonic Battle, scene 21. Shadow. Emerl asks why he's being so formal.)もう、 オマエは自由だ。エッグマンに 利用されることもないだろう…You're free now. Eggman won't use you anymore...(Sonic Battle, scene 21. Shadow to Emerl.)
>>583280628I'm so sorry takeashit lizuka
I still don't know who the fuck windii is.
>>583281108Halo is so cool i love Halo
>>583280936
>>583281327One of the people I read about on tumblr or Reddit 5 years ago and found out Sonic was also an environmentalist flying on plane guy.
>>583281169Sorry, he "destroyed" a "squad" of people. Totally not murder. Lol. You are so desperate. Here, spread your cheeks and I'll make you feel better.
>>583281160Anon, Google translate or DeepL would have gotten you as close as Krack's was to Windii.
>>583281108Western Shadow reminds me of the complaints about Halo 4. If I understand right, Halo fans were fiercely debating about if it was a good idea to make him so openly vulnerable.
>>583281459>You are so desperate.Says the anon repeatedly trying to prove something that was never stated, but sure, I'm the desperate one. Take a nap, you sound cranky.
>>583281327https://greenyvertekins.tumblr.com/tagged/PRIME%20COMEDYThis is all you need to know
Squad brokenSquad morale restoredSquad brokenSquad morale restored
>>583281529ooohh aaaaahhh that feels so good anon aaaaaa
>>583281160I thought the similarities were funny because I spent little effort on translating BoC and I wasn't using my best model.
IGNORE THE SLOP THIS IS THE VIDEO OF WHAT HAPPENED!
didn't Ian say Jackal Squad was actually killed
>>583281521Non-fans were debating with fans, you mean. So exactly the same in that regard.
>>583281458>>583281596WOAH......i forgot to buy the books for my driving school, i need to learn how to drive a bus
>>583281365holy shit, localizers fighting.....
>>583281853Ian also said his bull wasnt HIV positive
Do you guys think Matthew Mercer, who currently voices Espio, would be a better voice actor for Shadow? The only problem I have with Matthew is that he's a massive white knight for the alphabet activists
>>583281160Maybe you are right anon. I mean this place loves AI slop
>>583281853Halo stories had two types of legitimacy. Bungie didn't like the books canon that Microsoft pushed, and most people knew the Bungie games stories which were minimal and focused on Master Chief the stoic singular Spartan hero mostly. But the books were canon and were in the background technically happening in the decades I think before the games, even when they contradicted what Bungie was going for. So Bungie made their take on the Fall of Reach, and modified the story in Halo Reach to fit their view of HaloThen 343 came in and drew from the books verse way more heavily, without riffing on it or aligning it with the gamesSo you can't really say it's fans vs non fans.
uh oh, bulk and skull meltydon't those two drug addicts have anything better to do?
>>583282293So every franchise is like this if it lasts long enough
What if Sonic groomed you
>>583282470Actually I got a few things wrong, so here are some corrections from Reddit. Early Bungie didn't like the books and tried to get the fall of reach killed while making the first game. However later Bungie was fine with the books and just didn't want the books to canonized things without their consultation or something.
>>583282293The books were written with Bungie supervision, Bungie worked with the authors and Joe wrote Contact Harvest himself. The team that worked on both Halo 3 and Reach were basically the B-team while the A-team were already working on Destiny.343 were made up of people who both didn't understand and did not like Halo. So naturally they turned Master Chief into an emotional baby because that is the only way these people know how to deal with masculine characters.
>>583282752Ok
>>583279578>>583282156>The only problem I have with Matthew is that he's a massive white knight for the alphabet activistsWestern VAs are fags. News at 11
Good thing Sonic Team will last forever and they will never give Sonic to a successor team that doesn't understand the series
Post your fwarking hero.
>>583281160>Windii exposed as relying on MTL to a degree in which Krack's translation is almost the sameI honestly can't believe this happened, I hope Krack does it more often
>>583282886Sonic Team proper died in 2006 with the departure of Naka and splitting across multiple games. The entire team except Iizuka and a few others have been turned over multiple times since then
/sthg/ lame how link up hours
>>583282982
>>583283004I want to squeeze his cheeks until he starts crying. Then I want to swallow his screams of pain with a kiss.
>>583281972You got hired as a bus driver without knowing how to drive a bus?
>>583283064This is Krack or a simp.
>>583283004Nic
>>583283210Windii won't fuck you
Crazy how Sonic Team made one of the best Mario games
>>583283210This is Violet or Slashy
>>583283004I like monarchy
>>583283004All Tailses are my fuarking hero (except farces tails, he forgor how to be one)
>>583283294
>>583277517Not OR but I like this
>>583283004
>>583283182There is such a shortage of specialized labor in my country they're actually paying to train new people and replace the impossible to fill huge black hole that is millions of old boomers.
>>583283380No they would believe that /sthg/ loves AI slop. I mean Krack is basically proving them correct. I am not sure why she is giving them so much leverage.
>>583283505
>>583283380This is Randomfox or Foxcel
Amy Sonic and Surge
crashdow remake but instead of crash it's tiara boobowski pegging shadow
>>583283360i want to fook sonic
>>583278657
>>583283715
>>583283639Hi Evan
>>583283323Windii is a lesbian yeah.
>>583283897Honestly how I been lately
>>583283080I have the feeling that Takashi Iizuka would've been a better leader of Sonic Team if he had been passed the torch around 2016-2018. 2010 was too early for him. He wasn't seasoned enough yet. If he was passed the torch later, he might not even have been working in Burbank, California since at earliest 2016 and would've possibly been staying in Japan although he did clarify that he moved to Los Angeles in 2016 to establish a hub for the global Sonic brand there
>>583283294>>583283505>>583283715>>583283897Dawww
Is Surge Kit's mom or sister?
>>583284115
>>583284115ooc
>>583284307This is rape
>>583284283>DawwwSonic is hurting anon have some fucking compassion
>>583284296Girlfriend.
>>583283639Do you like it in an artistic kind of way or a horny kind of way? I didn't know how much I should get into the fetish
>>583284296The Tails to her Sonic. Her designated Partner / Support and more overtly now, Friend.
Are they really bringing back Starline? I feel like there's better avenues for a new threat than recycling a character that died once already.Feels like all the franchise has done since Frontiers has been "REMEMBER THIS? YEAH, WE'RE BRINGIN' IT BACK!"Infinite inexplicably being the villain of a podcast, Shadow Generations, and heavily implying the return of Starline in the comics
>>583284309shin tdosth looking wild
>>583284296>>583284704I misread this.Surge's basically the only reason Kit's hasn't killed himself. Regardless of whether you see them as siblings or otherwise. Surge is more or less his purpose to live.
>>583284806Maybe the next game there is a huge evil league of old villains
Sparky...
>>583285079Leagues of villains are literally the worst capeshit trope ever made and I hate it every time I see it
Jean Spiderman and Kit
>>583283793Crash is too busy being depressed to care.
>>583284115Did Krack have a melty over this? Halflid and friendow were the two biggest things she argued against, but they are canon it seems.
>>583285146Why?
>>583285178It's funny because the actor playing Cyclops's name is Kit
>>583285115Isn't this just Word of God?
>>583284309Krack, how would Shadow react to Jax's gender dysphora?
>>583284296There's a chart for this.
>>583285442I don't watch TADC alphaslop idk
>>583284115half-lids
>>583284040>>583284237spic slop
>>583285278Most of the time it's villains who should logically hate each other teaming up "because we're both evil" and it's always ridiculous and reduces the characters to a mini boss squad. The sinister 6 is shit.
*headpats your OC*
>>583285115Can someone redpill me why dead of the author is so cuntoversialis it like babbys most overused misunderstood tropr used by brainless pseudiibtellectuals
>>583284464He misses his bro :,( that’s adorable, and there’s an easy fix
>>583285829Because people don't want to play the video games.You chief among them considering you posted a comic character, Krack.
>>583285659This idea had been done a lot of times. I'm sure it has worked before
>>583285829Because sometimes the Author expresses an idea they didn't intend and that messaging can be interesting. At the same time people who have no intention of analyzing the material will just use the phrase to justify something that can't be observed by the text
>>583284115shadowbros... he wasn't supposed to care...
>>583278478Posts large vertically like that means someone is melting hard or purposely doing that to troll a thread, or it's a bot breaking up.
I think Death of the Author is bad and I think Word of God is good.
>>583285753That reminds me my OC needs to be used
>>583286158Slashy or Sparky wrote this post.
>>583285465Here’s a better chart
*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP*>Oh Sonic!*MOANS*
I think Word of God is bad and I think Death of the Author is good.
>>583258718>>583280628You think they talked about echidnas?>>583281817kek
>>583286772Violet...
I think it depends man because sometimes the Author is Ken Penders
>>583286158I think Death of the Author is bad and I think Word of God is bad.
Chibi sex
>>583286975Frontiers made me hate the core 4. They were so boring. Replace one of them with literally anyone else.
I think Word of the Author is bad and I think Death of God is good.
>>583287073You are partially right. But imagine for a second you replace them with other characters in Frontiers, does that make the game any better? No. The problem is the budget
>>583286292u-used how?
>>583287073>literally anyone else
>>583287073You hated the tone of Frontiers, not the core 4
>>583287073Frontiers was a fucking disaster from a character point of view.They spent so long trying to make them "emotional" and "mature" with nonsensical attempts at "character growth" that they forgot to make them actually act like their fucking character.The core cast in Frontiers are practically entirely different characters.
>>583285442He'd affirm Jax's transness and sharing how he also has the soul of a little girl in him (Sonic Battle dialogue)
>>583287441It's a result of Ian being obsessed with "character developmentSolved in the Japanese script btw
>>583287441Shut up idiot, they act like themselves. The problem is they do nothing but talk. We had to wait 1 year for the DLC to fix it
>>583287441Everyone swore hiring an Archie writer would be better than the Pontaff era
>>583287548The Japanese script didn’t “solve” shit, it just kept the status quo of TKA being Sonic cheerleaders
>>583285270She said she's okay with this one, but didn't explain why.
>>583287548>just play in a language you can't understand bro, trust me
>>583284539Yes.
>>583287073Okay, new core four proposed.>Shadow the Hedgehog>Cream the Rabbit>Rouge the Bat>Blaze the Cat
>>583287650>they act like themselves.Maybe if they were all depressed, sure.
>>583287815Of course it's not ideal, but at least a better version exists and takes precedence over the OOC one
Name their band.
>>583287853Already better
>>583287650>they act like themselvesIn Japanese. In the English version they go on and on about how their intended characterization is bad and they need to "grow" past it
>>583287853Why is Cream large breasted and dressed like Maria
>>583287892Ian’s was IC, as it tried to rectify the previous OOC shit from the meta era games
>>583287895The Namefags
>>583287895Fucked by many
>>583278665>Pronouns
>>583288043Shadream is spiritually Shadria.
>>583287884It's not a baby diaper game like Lost world yes>>583288023Besides Ian's obsession with removing Amy's love for Sonic. Knuckles's emerald slave and Tails useless ass is trash characterization and Ian is correct in wanting to make them be something else.You don't agree? I have my gun for purists right here >BOOMPURIST DOWN>BOOMPURISTS DOWN IS WEABOO SEASON BABY
Tails Knuckles and Amy DO need their own stories/campaigns away from Sonic. Stapling them to Sonic inevitably just makes them lame cheerleaders because Sonic will always take priority, that’s why people think they’re boring now.
DISABLED PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BREED
Shadow should not be teaming up with anyone, and he should not be extending "trust" to anyone.
>>583288046>Ian’s was ICNo the fuck it wasn't but I would love for you to provide some examples of literally any, even a single, in-character dialogue.
> Blaze gets a month all to herself> Silver has to share twice, even in his Super FormLeling at Silverfags
>>583288046I know you're talking about Tails, and the relevant part was kept in Japanese. Everything else, no.
>>583288528>No Cream MonthCream xisters... I'm not feeling good...
>>583288528>I live to meet justice!>meet
>>583288528>>583288615>characters so irrelevant you have to take being featured in a calender as a victory
>>583288528>I live to meet justice!What does that mean?
>>583288470Tails complaining about always running away or being on the sidelines is correct. He should not be the OOC coward from Unleashed, Forces, etc.
>>583288372>Besides Ian's obsession with removing Amy's love for Sonic. Knuckles's emerald slave and Tails useless ass is trash characterization and Ian is correct in wanting to make them be something else.All of this is Ian trying to turn them into their Archie versions
>>583288528Amy and Cream are part of Team Sonic according to this
>>583288804This page shows a more IC Tails than anything from the past 2 decades of games
>>583288528Gemerlbros... We won?
>>583288235What if Cream was just Maria reincarnated?
>>583288814And?
>>583288936No it doesn't. Archie and Ian don't understand any of the characters.
>>583288804A straw man won't help you here. But if the Sonic team is so bad at making Tails interesting and Ian overtakes everything, then it's their fault for being so useless
>>583288567>and the relevant part was kept in JapaneseWas it though?
>>583289050So you hate Sonic
foot
>>583289038Looks like they understand Tails better to me
>>583289092Yeah, the stuff about his past reactions being bad and how he will do better going forward, and Sonic reassuring him about it. What the Japanese version changes is Sonic calling him a weak kid and Tails agreeing saying he's never been good in the past and the only way for him to be good is to change and become someone else entirely.
>>583288814That would be correct.
>>583289179As much as the Sonic Team it seems
>>583289243WIFE
>>583289179We all hate him.
Cream is smarter than Amy.
>>583289715So they can put aside their differences for tail...
>>583289378> Sonic calling him a weak kid and Tails agreeing saying he's never been good in the past and the only way for him to be good is to change and become someone else entirelyThis is not what happened. Sonic and Tails both acknowledged that he’s done good in the past, but that he’s been “inconsistent”, which is true, the games have indeed made him inconsistent. That’s also what was meant by “new person”, he was never going to become a COMPLETELY different person, but instead become CONSISTENTLY the person he should’ve been all along. The Japanese version acts like said inconsistencies are normal and that they could theoretically happen again
>>583288528>Tails’ Sonic Advance art from December 2001Why would anyone buy this calendar? You have a calendar on your phone anyway.
>>583289834>So they can put aside their differences for tail...Don't you mean, "Tails"?
Evan Stanley cannot draw human women.
>>583290174Human women have virtually no audience in Sonic.
They went on the ferris wheel together
>>583289969>This is not what happened. Sonic and Tails both acknowledged that he’s done good in the past, but that he’s been “inconsistent”, which is true, the games have indeed made him inconsistent.This is correct in both versions.>That’s also what was meant by “new person”, he was never going to become a COMPLETELY different person, but instead become CONSISTENTLY the person he should’ve been all along. The Japanese version acts like said inconsistencies are normal and that they could theoretically happen againFalse, English literally says he's just a kid who needs to grow up into someone else entirely. The English dialogue literally does what you falsely accuse the Japanese version of, pic related
>>583290221Good
>>583290221>Human women have virtually no audience in Sonic.
>>583288753Sure, but I take issue with how Ian writes this. His biggest fault is that he is obsessed with giving everything some kind of meaning or connection.Tails already became "brave" at the end of SA1 and that carried into SA2. Ian specifically refers to this in Frontiers.But then he also references his being a coward in Forces. He specially focuses on that degradation of character just so he can build up to a "character development" that already happened previously.Is that Ian's fault directly? No. He didn't write Tails as a coward in Forces. But I also don't see a reason to even reference it. Bigger things in this series have been handwaved or swept under a rug. Why not some discrepancies with Tails' character?Oh no. Not Ian. He's smarter than everyone else after all and he can fix these issues.To which his grand "in-character" fixing of Tails in Frontiers is for him to have an existential crisis, declare that he is "wildly inconsistent" and then plan to go on his own adventure.Which he already does. And has done.Wow.
Do you agree Sonic's personality changed in sa2?
This is why they shouldn't have made a game about the core 4. Their dynamics are shit and there's no momentum for these characters.
>>583290546It didn't change.
>>583290551>the core 4. Their dynamics are shitThis is the biggest red pill in the thread.Amy, Tails and Knuckles would never even talk to each other if Sonic wasn't there.
>>583290650Tails and Amy were written well in the classic sonic IDW issue. They have a good friendship dynamic there.Amy and Cream have a good friendship dynamic in the abstract but it's underexplored.Knuckles is uninteresting.
>>583290650Frontiers is proof that the only thing they can talk about are Sonic and the current happenings. The things they say to each other can be said to anyone by anyone.
Silver meeting Tails for the first time
>>583290546What personality?
>>583290274That line is said by Sonic to try and cheer him up and stop him from beating himself up over his past mistakes, it doesn’t align with Tails’ stated goal of changing/cutting out the inconsistencies
>>583287895Team Child Traffickers
>>583290065Nnnnnnnnnnnope!
>>583290174How do you draw human women?
>>583290823Tsundere Tails
>>583290778Yeah, he told him inconsistencies are normal and Tails' reply was that he will have off screen character development that will make him unrecognizable next time he appears.
I've returned
>>583290257A totally normal platonic thing for two business associates to do now get in bed foxboy
>>583291059Weird. Tails didn't change much in IDW 68 which is set after this
>>583290496In a vacuum I agree that he shouldn’t reference stuff like Forces at all. But in line with keeping a consistent “canon”, Forces did indeed happen and it needs to be addressed and fixed, or else it just seems like development DID happen, but offscreen. The only proper way to handle this to never have done Forces in the first place, but that’s obviously not possible.
>>583291074Sonic fucks human women
>>583291216Yeah, that was discussed when it released. Ian's script doesn't matter, no one else is following it.
>>583283852Scourge is so cool.
>>583291241>But in line with keeping a consistent “canon”I would argue that the idea of Sonic having a consistent canon is exactly the problem.
>>583290546*SA1
>>583291059The point is that Tails *doesn’t* think the inconsistencies should be normal, that’s WHY he feels the need to do something about it. Sonic is the one trying to say that there’s not a problem at all, but Tails correctly doesn’t feel that way
>>583291074>>583291314IC sonic is a sexless wind hobo by the way.
>>583290496>But I also don't see a reason to even reference it.Sonic fans really be complaining about the series being inconsistent but then they want specifically the things they don't like to be inconsistent
Why does Forces need to be referenced all the fucking time? Shadow the Hedgehog was so a globe spanning crisis and it just doesn't come up unless it's for nostalgia.
>>583291435SA1 also has the same personality.
>>583290257And then a green flicky cucked tails and married honey
>>583291517In neither of those pics is Sonic responding to the advances. You can be a sexless wind hobo and still have women fall for you.
>>583290729>Tails and Amy were written well in the classic sonic IDW issue. They have a good friendship dynamic there.they're just generically nice to each other>Amy and Cream have a good friendship dynamic in the abstract but it's underexplored.same as above, it falls flat because cream is already strong on her own and has no reason to be inspired by amy like tails with sonic>Knuckles is uninteresting.knuckles has the personality to play off every character in the cast... except tails and maybe amyand maybe shadow as well but i think that's just an unexplored relationship rather than them not having any chemistry
>>583291435
>>583291368And I agree, but Sonic Team doesn’t. Which is the main problem because they’re incompetent and can’t keep shit straight
Best bros! >>583291538Because Forces was a soft reboot (yet another)
>>583291538This is actually kind of a problem. The Black Arms invasion and war effort is super significant and deserves a lot more acknowledgement. It, Unleashed, and Forces are all up there
>>583291595Still not the strangest matchup.
>>583291528If it's inconsistent, ignore it.Just treat Tails like SA2 Tails again.I do not need an explanation or in world dialogue for it. Just do it.
>>583291538Forces is a landmark on this franchise for better or worse. It was the first game full of shitty friends and apparent edginess after 7 years of Fisher Price era and the flopped Boom era
>>583291720Yeah the whole apologia for meta era writing in Frontiers is incredibly cringe. Just leave the failures behind and stop constantly referencing them>>583291435True
Sparring!
>>583290729>Tails and Amy were written well in the classic sonic IDW issue.You mean the issue the can't pass the Bechdel test because they only talk about Sonic?
>>583278665Exactly. It almost always comes down to this which is why fans start to rally against descriptions of the characters that sound sensible at face value.
>>583291685All Sonic games should just ignore the major events of their games
>>583291460The problem is that he doubted himself when he shouldn't have, which is addressed and resolved in Japanese. He doesn't need to become a different person. Sonic not trusting him, which isn't the case in Japanese, is also OOC.
>>583292025The problem is that they do but only sometimes.Like how the moon is only split up when they remember it.
>>583291613Tails and Knuckles could easily have an interesting dynamic, with Knuckles passing along his strength mentality, and Tails passing along the value of friendship and teamwork
>>583291859Sonic's personality in Sonic Adventure doesn't have major differences compared to his personality in prior Japanese Sonic game media. They updated his design, not his characterization.
duuude...what if i, like..got honey..mina, cosmo,zooey....all at once?
>>583291718NTA but i think this is the strangest crackship ive seen in this franchise, and ive seen it multiple times now for some reason
tails is just too boring, he's only fun when he's being challengedthat's why most entertaining relationships outside of sonic are with wave, eggman, rouge etc, they're characters who are on his same level of intelligenceknuckles, amy and cream are so below him in smarts, there's nothing to go off with these characters
>>583291616Where does Jak fall in?
>>583292128It turned and that was fine till Ian ruined it
I still wanna fug the smug bug.
I think the idw cast, i.e. the diamond cutters, are the Luna snow of Sonic
>>583292215Yes every character will appear more interesting when they have to solve some kind of problem because that's how narratives work. And even under normal circumstances Tails is incredibly endearing and comforting>>583292167Character design is very important in this series. I like Uekawa Sonic but it's a different, more overt type of cool then Classic
>>583292132true, it's not impossiblesonic battle pulled it off convincingly
>>5832916082nd one, yes, 1st one no, sonic wouldn't let anyone kiss him unless he's dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxwv8-oAasI&list=RDnxwv8-oAasI&start_radio=1>>583288423Is it something she was born with though? Will she transmit it if she has children?
>>583292402This is the most scathing insult yet
>>583292029>which is addressed and resolved in Japanese.It isn’t tho, it’s just being brushed under the rug. There’s nothing concretely put in place keeping it from happening again. Tails going on his own adventure IS trying to once and for all address and fix the problem
>>583292215With the current cast, Tails only has a personality around Sonic, Eggman and fucking Orbot. He's the issue, he has nothing of interesting to say to the rest of the cast while being the most prominent secondary character in the franchise, but being the always humble boring Tails he offers nothing.
>>583292480He would let Lumina kiss him
>>583287729Tailscel...
Sonic characters for this feel?
We could be getting IDW comics where Tails/Amy/Knuckles hang out without needing to always talk about Sonic but instead we get OC shit
>>583289050>>583288804Flynn sit the fuck down. You look like a hick and talk like one just as bad as Evan. You're a shrimp in an aquarium, you're barely even a fish. >>583292329Don't go down that road, anon! Don't go down that road!! you'll go down a very dark road.
I want a windfag to cum on me
>>583288235Every fucking Shadow ship is "spiritually Shadria" despite these same people insisting Shadria isnt real.Its almost like Shadow is for Maria only or something.
>>583292702>Tails/Amy/Knuckles hang outThey are not friends. Why would they hang out with each other without Sonic?
>>583292564>>583292215Not a Tails problem. We live in a time where character interactions are mostly being sanitized instead of retaining competitive spirit like when everyone would jab at or fight each other in the 2000s
>>583292657Fuck off if you don’t have anything coherent to say (I know you don’t)
>>583292402True
>>583292867>They are not friendsBut they should be. That's the point.
>>583288414Making shit up. Amy was based on BoC.
>>583292564Personality is when the character says quips or broods
>>583292867Because they are friends. Just because it never happens because the writers in this franchise are untalented and uncreative doesn’t mean it can’t happen
>>583274504She's terminally-online and does dolled-up mtls for ko-fis,
Sonic games need to go back to feeling like they belong in Nintendo power magazine
>>583292702IDW had a comic where Amy and Knuckles hang out.
>>583289254>>583288936When has Tails in the games ever outsmarted an opponent by distracting them with talking?
When there's no one to sing your praises ... you got yourself. cause you're more than 1 million people, worth more than 6 billion years, worth more than 200 trillion stars in the universe. Sing it loud and sing it proud. They don't even know you, but you do so sing it loud and proud.
>>583290927Are you looking for a guide?
>>583292947Why should they be? Each of those characters relates back to Sonic in their very concept. They were made to bounce off Sonic, not off of each other.
>"Tails is le boring">Iizuka says he has a lot of untapped potential >Is consistently one of the most popular Sonic characters >Has his own webseries where he hosts other characters>An AU variant of him was the main villain of a show
>>583293338POTENTIAL FOX
>>583292947No one actually cares for them to build a dynamic or even platonic interest in one another, it takes away from Sonic being the central focus. These characters only exist to highlight Sonic, there's no benefit for them to connect outside of him because they aren't supposed to do anything outside of him.>>583293017Even the revered Maekawa understands that these side characters are not meant to move beyond their base tropes and goals. They're mascots, their nuance is limited and only do anything if it's needed to serve Sonic (or Shadow) in some way.That's all they ever need to be.
>>583288814>>583289019>>583289381>replying to yourself
>>583293175>>583293338https://voca.ro/16r7dYjD5GP0Hey! Hoist the sail, there's a story on the breeze!Hoist the sail, the Arena's on the seas!They said the blue blur's road had run dry,That the gang had gone soft and the legend gone shy,So I sailed into port with a knife and a pen,And I gave the whole cast a few teeth back again.I found the little fox with her two tails twined,Half a head below Sonic, just as I designed,One red moon swinging from one ear,Two black cuffs, red stripe, and a grin you should fear.Who rebuilt the hedgehog's world? (He did!)Who gave the little fox her stars? (He did!)Who sailed into the Arena with a pitch and a plan,And made every hero sharper than the day it began?Sing it for the Arena, sing it for the sea,There's a hero on the water, and the hero is me!Every hero gets an anthem, every rogue gets a tune,Countless intro songs, one at breakfast, one at noon,And the Doctor sings to the fox he has locked in his dome,"What it'll be, Tailsy? A crown, or a cage far from home?"Then he sang it again as an Irish reel,With a fiddle and bodhran and a click of the heel,"Ah, what it'll be, Tailsy, the crown or the cell?Sure, I'll jig ye to hell, and I'll jig ye there well!"His island's a mountain in the shape of his 'stache,Gold glasses on the summit and a storm for a lash,He crosses the lightning through a wormhole he made,And a tiny barbecue crew grills away in the shade.Who rebuilt the hedgehog's world? (He did!)Who gave the little fox her stars? (He did!)Sing it for the Arena, sing it for the sea,There's a hero on the water, and the hero is me![Continued]
i like amy and knuckles's dynamic in sonic x where they can't stand each other
Sooo have you guys made any Silver Dapple porn or what
>it's slop
>>583293530She tries to be nice to him at first
>>583293087That’s my point. Tails IS smart and should be able to do that, but doesn’t in the games
>>583293479What is this
Tails is interesting :)>>583293338>Has his own webseries where he hosts other charactersSpeaking of, it might be time for a new episode soon
>>583293479Now Amy kept her love for the blue boy's every stride,But she's old and she's wise and she's got nothing left to hide,A pervy old sage on a dojo's high stair,Peeking through the bamboo with a nosebleed and a stare,Trading golden rings for greens at the ancient market stall,And a hammer through your skull if you laugh at her at all.Then Sonic met Rouge, and the pair of them went bad,The best bandit duo that the world ever had,They run jobs for rings, and they run them with style,Lifting gems off kings with a wink and a smile.She says, "The student has become the master," with a smirk,He says, "Fine, half the rings, and let's get to work."Tiny, with stars in her tails,A pocket comet that glitters and sails,Medium, an eighties queen on the dance floor,Lace gloves, bangles, and a crowd that wants more,Then a towering flame like Lucifer's fall,Black eyes, white flames, gold armor, burning it all,A Seven Force robot, fifteen meters tall,And the Doctor's whole army is a toy before it all.Silver came from the future with a cold, steady stare,No more tears, no more whining, just a walk through the flare,A Terminator at his roots, a force of nature now,He doesn't beg, he doesn't blink, he just keeps coming, somehow.(chant) Dahaka, Dahaka, Dahaka!He is the Dahaka, and Sonic must run,Through the sand and the ruins with the dark at his heels,You can outrun the sound, you can outrun the sun,But you can't outrun the thing that no one kills.
>>583293551I've heard, never seen.
>>583293608Don't you like AI slop?
>>583293017If they are friends who literally never show up together for a reason other than meeting Sonic then they're not friends, they're Sonic's friends.
>>583293474Sorry anon, only one of those is me.
>>583293338tails peaked in the ova when he was still allowed to be childish
>>583290274Dude, i prefer the Japanese version but youre being a dishonest clown. The English version isnt saying that. It's saying that him having fumbles is part of growing up. He's saying that he is a kid and is still growing so he should be less hard on himself for not being 200% at all times. It's not hard to get.
Surely the whole point of side media like a comic is to establish and build relationships of other core characters
>>583293409>these side characters are not meant to move beyond their base tropes and goals.That’s fucking lame tho
I think there was a Sonic Channel art of Amy training at Tails' house but I forgot the context>>583293662True!
>>583293668They scrapped the Death Egg, scrapped the stars,For a brutalist maze of concrete and scars,Blame!'s endless megastructure, no sky and no sun,Silent grey stairs where the lost robots run,And the hedgehog runs through it with Rouge at his side,And the Dahaka behind him, and nowhere to hide.Who rebuilt the hedgehog's world? (He did!)Who gave the little fox her stars? (He did!)Who put a fox in the Egg House on the cover of Zero?Who dared to remake every hero?Sing it for the Arena, sing it for the sea,There's a hero on the water, and the hero is me!The Arena's open, come aboard,Sail on, sail on, the Arena is born.https://voca.ro/16r7dYjD5GP0
>>583293551No but anon thinks Blackwoods weakness if his sensitive hearing and he's going to be defeated the stupidest way possible by Dapple yelling about how much he sucks
>>583293338Tailsfags really are the Gohanfags of Sonic. Cheering for a version of a character that doesn't exist
>>583293753I know what it's saying, it's shit.
>>583293817Even the Japanese said the comics are a different medium all together, you cannot depend on them for anything other to like comics in the first place.
>>583293737Childish and with bite. Come read the Arena comic. Just a nibble.These green eggs n ham are real good especially in a box with a fox , they're unlike any other food
>>583293737Tails never stopped displaying childish behaviors stop with this nonsense>>583293891I don't care about memes and the things I like about Tails are based on established things. But your monkey brain read the word "potential" on my post and immediately invented a scenario
i fucked
>>583293693Of course you only see them with Sonic, he’s the main character and nothing is allowed to happen without him. That’s a problem is my point
If you want interesting character relationships Sonic just isn't the place, accept that and move on.
>>583290496This is a weird complaint to me to be mad at them having Tails address his fumbling in Forces. Like, independant of any fandom discourse around it, it is completely in character for Tails to still be disappointed in himself for not performing at max.To me, complaining about this feels like a meta criticism using the writing for fandom discourse rather than a criticism of the writing itself.
>>583293846https://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/special/sidestory/sonicpict/20220527_008518/
>>583290546No.I spent like a good 3 months seriously entertaining the idea only to conclude its a just-so story made to try and validate an agenda rather than anything substantive.
>>583294195The way I see it is that in a franchise with as many fuck ups as Sonic I think that the writers should just stop trying to justify past mistakes and just focus on going forward instead of ruminating
>>583294193Ahem...
Bluesky and reddit blaze fans hate the current storylinehttps://bsky.app/profile/peanutbuttersmelly.bsky.social/post/3mwr6sg3mhk2m
>>583293650Your point cant be "this is in character but it never happened in the games"
>>583294127up.
Arrg
>>583294423blazefag opinions don't matter
>>583294285So there's no context? She's in Tails' house just because. I guess it's not that bad
>>583294419Link me this.
>>583293891He listed things that actually exist. Potential just means we'll get even more>>583294195>>583294374The Japanese version does it but without mentioning Infinite directly. I don't mind either way, but I do like that it mentioned Infinite. One of the few things I prefer in English. I understand it's not good with how many references Frontiers already has though, that's one of the few that I think is fitting
cnc
Anyone got that pic of chrischan that ends with woefag as a punchline? I think it needs to be updated for the prime arena fag PLEASE
>>583294604It's easy to Google. Just type in the name.
>>583290650This is a dumb argument. You can say this about the vast majority of fiction.Manic and Sonia are LITERALLY siblings and wouldnt have met if not for SonicTeam Avatar wouldn't be a thing without Aang. No shit.>no, I mean the only reason they interact or ever would is if Sonic is involved.Sonic, Amy and Knuckles all have and do interact with eachother of their own volition and through natural chemisty. It's literally just Tails who has no connection to the rest of the group but Sonic.
>>583294449The games stopped being the bible of “in character” when they stopped being in character. Treating them as such will only cause more problems
>>583294654I just hope we can finally move forward now
>>583294195I won't deny that it's a weird complaint and I'm not smart enough to properly articulate why I dislike it so much.Frontiers in general just left a very bad taste in my mouth what with the overly sombre and melancholic mood to the game which I feel is at odds with the franchise's identity in general.Specifically, it's mostly my dislike of Ian needing to justify every single thing, or make references that are unnecessary. The whole "without the time stones" thing caused a real stink in the Generations rewrite, but Frontiers was a whole game of it. Trying to justify Tails' inconsistencies to bring about some character growth which, in essence, will just bring him back to what he USED to be in SA2 for example, seems pointless to me.Just write him like that. You don't need to build up to it.
Tails! ^w^
>>583294850Yes, me too
>>583294807Fuck off Archietard
>>583294503>Foxy represent Edwin and how he was always never truly in the groupBig oof
>>583294781Tails has multiple established character interactions and dynamics
>>583294807Yuji Naka's departure destroyed Tails real bad
>>583295061Roxy better anyway
>>583294807If the games cant be trusted that certainly doesnt mean im gonna sit by and let some retard say archie is a gold standard for anything. However low the games are archie will always be lower. Know your place
You don't remember, but this general loved Ian's writing in Frontiers when the game released. I remember the first time I had some minor criticism of it right after finishing the game, even though I still said I thought it was good overall, minor complaints mostly got me insulted and dismissed. I only got a few positive responses, mostly from someone who had hated Ian because of his writing for Archie and kept track of things he said on his podcast.
If the core 4 actually had character dynamics this wouldn't even be a discussion
>>583294959Kawaii foc
Ignoring ebin villain characters etc. Is Blaze the biggest jobber in the franchise?
>>583292868It's literally a Tails problem. Sonic, Knuckles and Amy all had great chemistry in BoC.
>>583295108Naka-san…I miss you
>>583294781>Amy and Knuckles>lol trainingRiveting stuff. And Amy was doing boxercise on her own without Knuckles in the equation, that link is weak.The only thing we need from Amy and Knuckles is them being tokenly annoyed with one another.
>>583295256No it didnt retard why do you act like we werent there? That got announced in late 2021/early 2022 and by then we had redeemnic bullshit in idw multiple times, idw shadow/ian bitching about mandates, ian showing he couldnt write Amy, no, we were already getting tired of him
>>583294503The Core 4 of unhinged lore>>583294503
>>583292873You always do this thing where you pretend to mask your presence by making complaints about Tails and pretending they are problems with the rest of the cast. It's annoying.
>>583295257It's just some moron spreading bullshit, not even a discussion >>583295256I think Pariah's video on Frontiers' story changed a lot of the fandom's perception of it
>>583295257Please stop using buzzwords like "character dynamics"
>>583287730>didn't explain whyLmao, of course not. She knew all her headcanons were shot down on that Channel blurb, she's just to her luck only sightly more self-aware than Sparky (which is just very VERY little) enough to not make a spergout here for several posts.So much for defending jap shit and then deluding yourself with your very own headcanons.
>>583295310Tails wasn’t even allowed to see Knuckles or Amy in BoC because BoC made him Nicole. Not a Tails problem, a writing problem
>>583295310Thats Imada's fault for not trying to use Tails more, he sidelines Tails to push his human child OC just like Sonic X does
Amy has talked to Rouge and Shadow more than she has ever talked to Tails
Please be a useful bunch for once and link me to some Cyber Kuro-chan with subs. It doesn't have to be original Japanese.
>>583295486That's basically all that this boils down to. Any example of Tails interacting with other characters in any way is dismissed as lacking substance or being boring
>>583295663Fuck off and do it yourself no one here is obligated to be your personal helper. Next time come with a better attitude
They should explore different stories with the characters now. The Core 4 was an attempt at nostalgia and it failed. Nobody cares about them that much. There are more important things now.
>>583295584The solution is to "get rid" of Yuta.
>>583294374But my point is that even a non-fucked up version of Forces would be valid for Tails to react the way he did in Frontiers about.
>>583295758>Implying you're capable, Knucklesfag.
>>583295782More important things like what? The next movie is about to be a core four movie vs Metal sonic. You say more important things and then post Cream? Is this a joke?
>>583295782It was more so an attempt at incorporating Amy into the STK trio
>>583295262Yeah!>>583295737True
>>583294423RedditBlazefans are just Sonazefans. They didnt care until thry saw the Blazewood stuff pop up, lol.
>>583295985well yeah, can you do this >>583271406 with sonic shadow and blaze's powers? didn't think so
>>583295061First Mate FoxyDeadeyes RoxyKitBawsonRenardHe og pirate crew got the Archie Sonic treatment expect for Roxy cause everybody loves Roxy
Amy Rose shouldn't be a main character.
>>583295925>The next movie is about to be a core four movieThe movies are literally the core 4 in a completely alien (pun intended) context. You cannot reverse-engineer that onto the game approach.
>>583296015^-^
Tails and Yuta can coexist
>>583295902Don’t need to tell me that twice
>>583295985Silver's fucking OP, unless you's Shadow with an Emerald. Or Sonic or with 7 Emeralds. But still, base-form! He has you cooked!
>>583295384>talking about shit no one said.Amy and Knuckles have an established dynamic of bickering like siblings but still supporting eachother. It was in the adventure era and even in LostWorld.Even X used it.
>>583295737Give me Amy and Tails talking about something other than Sonic and I'll stop complaining
>>583296123William Afton really left Kit and Renard to die in the spare costume closet with the rest of the fazbear cast
>>583296201Sure
>>583296201If its just them in a trio yes. If its Yuta barging in on Sonic's whole group with Amy and Knuckles and even Shadow then no
Tails is nerfed by the one type of story that windfags adore which is Sonic helping human person as he's taken out of his role and either does nothing or is forced into a new lamer supporting role
>>583296275Tails and Amy are sorta like that in SA2, Tails gets annoyed that he thinks Amy is getting in her way but they still cooperate
>>583296275it's also in rush and generations
>>583296282https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Keyi3JU_64>>583296415:)>>583296439Idk what you're talking about
>>583295584What would Tails' interactions and dynamic with Knuckles and Amy be?I can easily describe scenarios where Sonic, Amy and Knuckles interact eith eachother. Tails needs more pronounced dynamics with the cast.Riders had the idea that Knuckles gets annoyed at his technobabble. Play with that more.Amy is into fortune shit. Tails is a tech nerd. Have that be a point of interaction between em
>>583296535Thats fine Tails doesnt need to be the star of every story. Whats more is that "wind" stories can be told with other characters, not just Sonic.Sonic X episode with Knuckles and the fat human Hawk is a windfag story.Knuckles series with Wade is a windfag story.Amy helping Elise is windpilledA story like this can be done for Tails too but no one has
Weird how there are two windfag stories where Knuckles inspires a fat 30 year old human man
>>583296004>It was more so an attempt at incorporating Amy into the STK trioAre we pretending she hasn't been part of the main group even longer than Knuckles has now?
>>583295586Sounds like a Tails issue. He's just not that interesting to use. IDW isn't much different despite so its not an Imada issue.
>>583296725It sounds like Tails would benefit from appearing less when he has nothing to add to a story
>>583296275And it never weren't further than being generally annoyed at whatever the other was doing. The page here is not something that would happen in the games because their relationship isn't meant to have depth beyond gags. Crazy how we're using an example from the comics, you guys love cherrypicking from it.>>583296607That's the point. Their interactions are meant to drive one-liners and jokes, not actually exploring some nuanced perspective on why they're friends with one another.They show up, they bicker, Sonic saves the day, they leave. That's it, that's all.
>>583296535Tails was created to be a second mascot type character. Sonic can still inspire others with Tails by his side, those are not inherently conflicting positions>>583296725Maybe Kit in IDW? Though that could be a stretch
>>583296834Idw cant be used a metric for anything when it wants to waste time on ocs
>>583296535Tails in X S3 was perfectly fine. Had an important role, didn’t need to rely on Sonic, and was brave enough to even fight Shadow alone. I wish he could’ve put up at least some kinda legit fight, but I’ll take what I can get
>>583296842That can be said for a lot of characters, not just Tails.
>>583295587Knuckles has talked to Rouge and Shadow more than he has talked to Tails as well.
Is really scary how a big majority of the Sonic fanbase on Twitter doesn't really understand the series.
>>583296927Cosmo is so boring it's a shame
Sonic>inspires 10 year old boys and hangs around them for long periods of time Knuckles>Inspires fat 30 somethings and goes on grand adventures of self discovery with themShadow>Always human women
>>583296834He's not interesting to use despite being constantly used everywhere?>>583296829Amy was a minor character during classic. Drift was released in early 1994 they had few characters to chose from>>583296858How is Amy and Knuckles' relationship nuanced in any way
>>583296891If Kit weren't written to hate Tails then maybeTangle in the earlies couldve been good, she was a noob and Tails is a pro, but thats not how they chose to use TangleBesides that there isnt much else right now
>>583296082Well what if I wanna be on the receiving end? No fun if I just have the same powers I wanna be helpless
>>583297015they are memefags, moviesfags and some normies who played a game or 2. some shipfags who "got into sonic" through fan art as well
>>583296691Knuckles: >>583292132Amy would be a bit trickier, but it could have something to do with acknowledging their own personal worth outside of helping Sonic. They’d both obviously still love and admire Sonic, but not need to be glued to him 24/7
Rotor and Tails can coexist. No really, like I mean it, dimwit goons think Rotor is a copy pasted recolored large Tails, blind bunch of face-value taking brain numb tardos. They are distinguishing, they got diff powers, they bond distinctly with Sonic. They are essentially Burger King and McDonalds, not a single soul thinks one of them should be gone.Sorry, had to throw up something myself here rq (/sthg/ is a real life waste dump).
>>583297117Tails helps Cosmo regain her confidence in that fireflies episode in Sonic X>>583297027And there we go, everything having to do with Tails is boring. You just part from the premise that Tails is a bad character so there's no reasoning with you
>>583296607You're trying real hard and bless your heart but it wasnt really a dynamic. Dynamic implies interaction. In SA2 Tails asks Amy what she is doing on Prison Island, she says "she is here for Sonic" and he he sighs and goes forward amd Amy goes with him because she wants to save Sonic.
Cosmo's entire character>We have to stop the metarex>I don't like the metarex>I need to avenge my clan, who was killed by the metarex>I miss my clan, the metarex killed them>the metarex are the enemy of my clan>we need to get the planet egg to stop the metarex >the planet eggs are the only way to stop the metarex who killed my clan>I just got brainwashed to fuck Tails (It's okay when Evan doesn't do it)
>>583297270Why don't you describe what Rotor would add if he was added today that Tails (and nobody else) couldn't do?
>>583271406wtf i love silver now
Tails and Kit have the seeds for the most interesting relationship Tails had in ages but they decided to do nothing with it
>>583297343I'm not trying hard. Tails explicitly says that he's annoyed by Amy in the character recap. https://youtu.be/tLfrixGs_2Q?is=m8asQ9hTVBzyPYjZHe's clearly annoyed by her in the cutscene itself also. It implies that despite cooperating Tails didn't see Amy as an equal to him
>>583297572I agree but everything about Kit ties back into larger conversations about Surge and thats been talked to death
>>583297390Nta, but Rotor could take on more of the tech stuff which would allow Tails to get back to his action roots. Tails could even act as the liaison between Rotor and the action, seamlessly transitioning Rotor’s ideas to the battlefield
>>583297572They should do something with it>>583297680Let's not delete Tails' mech expertise though
>>583297572True
>>583296337Monty was Freddy bestie before that blue rabbit took him away
>>583296535>blaming windfagsThis argument doesn't work. Tails doesnt fulfil that role even if he isnt interacting with some new character because he already went though his arc.The problem with Tails is he is potential the character and people cant make up their mind on what is acceptable for him to be post SA2.Most agree he peaked in SA2 but a lot of his diehards dont accept that because they want him to be Sonic P2unior instead of the tech master like Chadhanfags who shill UltimateGohan vs Buu and shit on GreatSaiyaCHAD Nerdhan.Tails is a character that will never be as cool as Sonic or cool in the same way he is but they dont wanna accept this.
>>583297680Ok so you see how that became "Rotor is gonna take something from Tails" under the guise of "freeing him up"? No thanks man. Tails could do both in SA2 and Battle. That is the Tails I want and I do not need Rotor for it.
>>583297270>>583297390Sally is literally smarter and more tech savvy than Rotor in SatAM. Tails was never the problem, Rotor is already redundant.
>>583297680Shut up, Rotorfag. Taills will do both.Honestly, I will never understand what you guys see in that Walrus. Even the bunny is less lame.
>>583296725Ive said it before and I'll say it again, Tails should have been the one to interact woth Soleil/Lunar. Soleil's story is very Tails-coded.
>>583297803No it wouldn’t delete it. He could act as the go-between for Rotor (full tech) and Sonic (full action). Tails’ capabilities in both would be invaluable, and he should always have both
>>583297998Every story about needing to be inspired by Sonic is Tails coded. Tails was the first one to do it. Uh, not counting Mary Garnet or whatever
Ugly bitch creature
God I love Tails!
>>583296725I like to think Tails was inspiring to Marine with building stuff, and while it is technically in the game I don't think it focuses on it much explicitly>>583297998Soleil's story is also a complete mess unfortunately. I like the base idea, but all the details are incomprehensible. I think it's trying to praise some sort of split personality mental illness, idk
>>583297867>>583297890See >>583298083
>>583297851>Fimd the Darn Computer Room
>>583297115>He's not interesting to use despite being constantly used everywhere?Yes, he is an obligation. People like having him around because it's iconic moreso than him doing anything particuarly great most of the time.This isn't even me saying Tails sucks. I love him when he is used properly.But Tails suffers from sucess on the sense that people need him around because of iconicity so he ends up used underwhelmingly or poorly more
If Tails doesn't meet Sonic, he turns into an evil psychopath and destroys the world
>>583297680translating Rotor to a game canon context would see him play a purely supportive role, and I think that would be for the best
>>583292132>Knuckles passing along his strength mentality, and Tails passing along the value of friendship and teamworkKnuckles doesn't need lessons about friendship and Teamwork particularly, and even if he did, it wouldnt be meaningful coming from Tails specifically. That would honestly land more from Blaze or Amy.
>>583298241Again, there's no "go between" needed. In the games I listed, Tails is able to be both a tech-ace AND a fighter. Rotor does not provide something new and unique with that
>>583298129Windii...
>>583297262>acknowledging their own personal worth outside of helping Sonic.That's still making it about Sonic. Making their dynamic be about not needing Sonic doesnt make it not about Sonic.>>583297270No they can't. Ypu'd have to rewrite Rotor completely into just some guy at a scrapshack Tails gets some parts from or somrthing.
>>583298449I mostly agree with you, I was just trying to imagine how Rotor *could* work. Tails has not been a fighter for a long time, and my idea would fix that, while not completely ditching Tails’ tech skills
Catbox has been destroyed
>>583297580Missing the point. Reread my post.
Miles!
>>583298658I think it is telling that even a good faith attempt at trying to give Rotor somethinf encroaches on Tails because its something Tails can handle himself. Sorry but the reality is Rotor doesnt add anything
OOC but cute
>>583298963Ooc how?
>>583297680Why do you retards always try to pretend you are fixing characters by takong away traits from them when its just an excuse to dumb them.down to shove your OC in?Tails' interest on tech is not a burden he is saddled with having to carry. It's a particular and unique aspect of hos character that is frankly only meaningfully emphasized specifically to give him shine or give him something to do when it isnt just plot convenience or exposition.Introducing Rotor wouldnt fix Tails by downplaying the things that make him stand out and excel in.
>>583298658In hindsight, Rotor would easily slot into being a "guy in the chair" for Tails. But it understandably becomes difficult in current day.>>583298801There's not much of a Watsonian reason for Tails to do everything though, it's purely Doylist. Tails is the team smart guy, and since SA2 has been the only one. He by narrative necessity has had to carry all of it alone, so of course it seems blasphemous to introduce a new one.
>>583299013In the games Tails doesn't need a device to keep up with Sonic. Particularly not one that propels him forward by spinning. That's what he does with his tails already
I shouldn't have said that. Cool, I got few trolls on me. Ugh, I'm sorry about that.>>583297390You don't think you are, but you're setting up a lure yourself with wording like that, setting for a crab to fall in a bucket, and just punch it back no matter how much you cling through barren iron wall surfaces to get back up. Add? Add what? What are we talking? Add relative to what metrics (imaginary ones we're feeling up right now)? What the shelly does the other fox has to do anything with, and why should it has to do with? What are you implying exactly?We're operating off a bankrupt intellect with that comparative brained mind of yours, like your average brain-stupid Sonic fan always does. It's gonna be just exhaustive, and hopefully you see what I mean. Morio "no read between lines" Kishimoto, all that jazz.>>583297680>>583298083>>583298382I appreciate you all being in good faith, but it's vital to know Rotor isn't all about mech genius shit, just like Tails, which is what I had in mind. It's not its epicenter of his personality.Whilst ofc Rotor hadn't really enough supplying minimum personality which is a criticism to make, but you get my point.
>>583299013it's babby slop. sonic is not babby slop
[western character] works as long as you CHANGE [game character]I'm not even a purist. This just doesn't work.
>>583298123Sonic 2 and Sonic CD were in development at the same time. Sonic and Amy both did that shtick. It's a Sonic thing rather than a Tails thing exclusively.What belongs to Tails is the specific narrative and way in which he made meeting Sonic a means for him to grow and find himself.
>hits bluntOutside of Sonamy and Sontails, Rails has the most shipping material. You may try to argue otherwise but it's true. Rouge has consistently shown more genuine interest in Tails than Knuckles or Shadow in the past decade at least. In fact if Prime is anything to go off of, Rouge only really respects Tails and Amy and finds Sonic and Knuckles irresponsible and annoying.
>>583299167Yes he does, Tails needs a plane to keep up with Sonic.
>>583297192Power difference is hot.
>>583297115>Amy was a minor character during classic. Drift was released in early 1994 they had few characters to chose fromThey could have put Metal in. But he didn't make it until the second game. They decided Amy was more important.
Why doesn’t eggman just drug sonic, amputate his feet, have sex with him, and then dump him in a lake?
>>583299023I’m just trying to think of ways to get Tails back to being an action character again, which is equally as important as his tech skills. Wanting Tails to just be Jimmy Neutron is doing him a disservice, the 2010s proved that. He needs BOTH
>>583299258Amy could be deleted from CD and nothing changes. She didn't go through any sort of character arc in that game. So no
Everyone forgets that Sally is on par with Robotnik in SatAM and Rotor is just a normie mechanic
>>583299436The Mech
>>583299167Tails keeping up with Sonic does not mean he can match Sonic's top speed. That device might have let him breach a new barrier
>>583299318No he only needs his TAILS, that’s why he’s called that
>>583298605>>583298801I keep seeing you making typos over and over down to being recognizable. You're using that proxy owo frontend site, aren't you.
Why doesn't Sonic just spin dash through dr. pingas? is he dumb?
>>583298204>I like to think Tails was inspiring to Marine with building stuff,You know what? I give this to you.We need stories where Tails and the other kids are alone and Tails gets to be a leader.>Soleil's story is also a complete mess unfortunately. I like the base idea, but all the details are incomprehensible.Soleil being a Sonic spotter and using Sonic as a comfort tool is similar to Tails as well as them being bullied for being different. It would have been easy for Tails to be used for this. But I guess the writers felt it was more straightforward to just have Soleil interact with Sonic directly.
>>583299157You keep framing "carry it" as this burden. You talk about Watsonian, do you know what Tails has to say about it? I do. He literally says in Lost World he can do everything and that's when Sonic promises to never doubt him again.
>>583299230>but it's vital to know Rotor isn't all about mech genius shitI'd say a big reason why introducing/having a more diverse roster is a perceived hassle is the need for characters to contribute in multiple places when they really don't need to>>583299468this is an example of the writer not considering party balance when drafting
>>583299415He already did and Sonic enjoyed it too much
>>583299318He doesn't. Tails was created to keep up with Sonic naturally >>583299342Yeah but she was still more of a cast character
>>583296249>Silver's fucking OP, unless you's Shadow with an Emerald. Or Sonic or with 7 Emeralds. But still, base-form! He has you cooked!>Silver is OP and Shadow needs to cheat to beat him or give Sonic all the emeralds while giving no one else them to winThis just makes Shadow and Sonic look worse.
>>583299258Amy does not get inspired in her manual story, she is in love. Tails is the one who goes "i wanna be cool like sonic" and runs behind him
>>583298357I don't know why anyone finds this angle interesting.>if Sonic didnt meet Tails, he becomes an incel supervillain!Like, what am I supposed to take away from that? Sonic has a responsibility to befriend this kid for the sake of the planet? What a great story lol
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>>583298745They interact and that interaction shows how Tails thinks of her. That shows the dynamic>>583298325That doesn't mean that he's uninteresting at all
>>583299623>>583298801>>583298449>>583297867>>583297890Lmao tailspedo melty
>>583299576Holy fuck nigger what are you talking about? I make typos because I'm on my fucking phone keyboard and you have to send posts fast.
>>583297852The problem is becoming a Bulma is lame. This is an action oriented franchise and standing in the sidelines being a helpless tech support is lame. I try to like X Tails that he tried a lot despite his limitations but it's just kinda frustrating to value characters who cannot fight
>>583299721Amy gets inspired at some undetermined point in the future, and decides to work toward it in SA1. After that, it's cemented.
>>583299596>We need stories where Tails and the other kids are alone and Tails gets to be a leader.I've been thinking about how you could write a story like this. I don't have much, but I thought of how it could end, I imagined Tails could say something like "So Sonic inspired you too", and the other person replies "Actually, it was you who inspired me", to his surprise. I think it would be nice if he had that role the whole time without realizing>It would have been easy for Tails to be used for this. But I guess the writers felt it was more straightforward to just have Soleil interact with Sonic directly.Yeah, probably. I also felt Soleil's story didn't have good focus in general
>>583299703I mean, Silver's powers are like the perfect counter to super speed. The only reason the boss fight in '06 is doable is because his AI is fucking retarded and only grabs things within a 5 foot radius. Logically it wouldn't work like that outside of gameplay fairness.
>>583299596I recently re saw a post where Sparky said Tails needs to be the Robin of his own Teen Titans. That'd be cool>>583300027Yes, so, as originally stated, Tails did it FIRST. He did it in Sonic 2 first.
>>583300026>The problem is becoming a Bulma is lame.Bulma’s first interaction with the main character was shooting him in the head with a pistol
>>583299576>You're using that proxy owo frontend site, aren't you.I don't know what that is, being honest.Typos are just more comon even since everyone got forced into using phones with screen keyboards. People even make the same autocorrect typos.
>>583300121>Yes, so, as originally stated, Tails did it FIRST. He did it in Sonic 2 first.No, I'm with the other anon. It's Sonic-coded. It's what he does in literally every game. Tails can be the first, but it's not Tails-coded when that happens.
>>583300026"Belle was always cool"
>Report obvious off-topic post>Get hit with a warning for abusing reportsGenuinely unusable website. wow. Just fuck everything at this point.
>>583299623That declaration from Tails is built on prior history of him being the only tech savant in the main cast. He rightfully says that because there's never been anyone else helping him. So yeah, the Watsonian reason still wraps right back to Doylist priorities.It doesn't have to be Rotor, it could be anyone, but the smart guy role in a narrative sense has been completely monopolized by Tails because they never considered or cared about the potential of having more than one.
>>583300178>>583300003>phonepostersHoly fucking shit no wonder /sthg/ is always an all time low on quality posting, you people don't fucking care at all of what you say
>>583300230I know. We're agreeing>>583300270Thats on you for sitting there spamming reports instead of ignoring
>>583299649 i got boner and i came when I imagined it with the JP VA....
>>583297818They can have such a fascinating bond about low self esteem seething jealousy meeting a kind hearted but doubtful mirror, gosh why did they deny me of this? I want a three parter story featuring both of them. But I'd also like to find some Tails and Kit fanfiction but last time I checked there were no good ones.
>>583300336Advertising and Off site drama posting is directly and clearly against the rules.
>>583300270At least they read yours.
>>583297852> Most agree he peaked in SA2 but a lot of his diehards dont accept that because they want him to be Sonic P2unior instead of the tech master like Chadhanfags who shill UltimateGohan vs Buu and shit on GreatSaiyaCHAD Nerdhan.The answer you’ve been ignoring all this time is that he should have aspects of both. He won’t be as cool as Sonic, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be like him in ways that he can. Likewise he’ll never be as capable with tech as Eggman, but he should obviously still do what he can there too. He is BOTH, and removing either one makes a different character. THAT’S what makes him unique, and it should not be strayed from like the later games tried to
>>583300273Because if there was another techie they'd just be subservient to Tails and have to add somethingIn Rush Adventure Marine is below Tails on the skill level of building, but she still adds to the adventure with her story personality and ambition. What would Rotor add that justifies his second-rate presence to Tails' genius?>>583300463Are you a mod? No? Ok not your problem then
>>583299446So could Tails from Sonic 2 by this logic. The fact Amy gets kidnapped by Metal Sonic because she was there to meet her true love and meets his robot clone, but she is saved by her knight in shining armor which inspires her IS the story.>>583299721Amy falling in love with him and chasing after him on adventures IS her being inspired by him.
>>583300270I got banned for a week a few weeks ago for the same reason. I've just stopped altogether at this point. This website is just going to eventually die or get ddos'ed to death at this rate and the mods and admins don't care at all. I wish people would just migrate to the other chan but that's not going to work.
>>583300441you're so based bro
>>583300597Well it did work for like a week when this site was offline, if it truly went offline for an extended period it would happen again
>>583299915>They interact and that interaction shows how Tails thinks of her. That shows the dynamicYou are doing the equivalent of calling the fact you get out of bed in the morning "an exercise routinr".
>>583291174grumble, grumble...
Sonic Prime is basically saying that Sonic averted a world ending disaster by meeting Tails, and that without him Tails's bullies would have pushed him into becoming a loner villain who is so damaged that even Sonic can't fix him
>>583300586No because Tails' arc ties into the story of 2 directly by him fixing Sonic's plane and helping him reach the Death Egg (and also flying his plane towards Sky Chase after they developed a bond throughout the game). And even ignoring that, Tails' mere presence is explained through a character arc where he goes from one state (being sad and bullied) to another (following Sonic and valuing his tail). Amy is just someone getting in the way in CD. The story isn't actually about her. She's just there. Metal Sonic is the one that appears in the box art because it ties into CDs environmental theming, which takes greater precedence over Sonic 1's environmentalism (like by having flower seeds inside robots instead of animals)
>>583299230Is this Rotorfag? This kind of whining is super characteristic of him but it doesn't have his signature verbosity. Either way, yes, Rotor needs to ADD something. It's not "comparative brained" to say we don't need overlapping characters if they're not gonna be unique. If Rotor is just redundant then his addition isn't defendable and pushing him in boils down to "wah i want him", which, now we're not having a serious discussion.
>>583300801It went offline last month for a few hours and no one bothered posting in the other one. I know because I was one of the few people who did migrate over there and the place was a graveyard. I genuinely think if this website goes offline these people would just stop this shit altogether. Which makes it all the more infuriating because if the fucking mods did their god damn job then these people wouldn't even be here.
>>583300835Not really accurate. Tails Nine still exists in a harsh New Yolk world. In other worlds the other Tailses don't have Sonic and don't become villains because it isn't an oppressive and friendless Eggman world
Woof
>>583300026>The problem is becoming a Bulma is lame.Speak for yourself, Tailscel. Bulma is fucking based. People glaze her all the time.>I try to like X Tails that he tried a lot despite his limitations but it's just kinda frustrating to value characters who cannot fightYoure kind of giving the game away that youre frustration is over fandom shit here. Youre mad you can't engage in powerlevelfaggotry online in a straightforward manner as the Knucklesfags or Shadowfags do.Sonic X Tails was one of the versions of him when he was his coolest because he gets to fight in mechabattles and made devices and upgrade battleships and shit.Sonic X literally ends woth him tragically having to kill his plant gf by firing a space cannon he made into a planet and blowing it up.X Tails is cool.
>>583299589Dashing as usual I see...
>>583301052My boy SAILS is underappreciated for this reason
>>583300572>Because if there was another techie they'd just be subservient to Tails and have to add somethingYes, that's what I was saying with>In hindsight, Rotor would easily slot into being a "guy in the chair" for Tails. But it understandably becomes difficult in current dayThe time for having another smart guy would've been earlier in the franchise, before Tails was cemented as the only one.>What would Rotor add that justifies his second-rate presence to Tails' genius?An amicable peer that can engage with Tails on the more nerdy stuff. They would be feeding into each other because they fundamentally speak the same language. It's different from Marine who can't do that, or from Wave who respects him but still keeps him at a distance. It helps because he'd also be more readily available by the nature of their hypothetical relationship.
The only use for Rotor is the same use of other scientists/mechanics in settings where there is one main superscientist.To make the main smart guy look even smarter.
Tails isn't Bulma, Tails isn't Gohan, Tails is his own character with his own characteristics
>>583301213Sonic isn't like that because we have multiple supergeniuses
>>583300835Sonic could fix nine. Nine wanted a world for him and Sonic
>>583301169Being the tech support is not cool and will never be cool. No boy wants to be fucking Bulma.
>>583300972I was there too. The key is "a few hours". Most people will just wait it out if it's that short. We saw that happen last year. Over time more and more people found their way there, as they were forced to explore the Internet more. Some people also couldn't make it at all. You could go on Twitter and find them complaining about not being able to post on /sthg/. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
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>>583301231I can't believe Sonic works for GUN and has access to GUN's advanced spyware
>>583301294Tails is Bulma because we want to, and do, have raw sex with him
>>583301213>>583301193>>583300968Why does Rotor make tailspedos piss and shit in anger?
>>583301052So is it fair to say both Sonic and Eggman's influences are a net negative for everyone?
>>583301193>An amicable peer that can engage with Tails on the more nerdy stuff. They would be feeding into each other because they fundamentally speak the same language. It's different from Marine who can't do that, or from Wave who respects him but still keeps him at a distance. It helps because he'd also be more readily available by the nature of their hypothetical relationship.Thank you nigga. This is all I'm asking for, finally someone comes up with something for Rotor to sensibly do and add. Now at least I won't mind if he gets two comic panels of dialogue
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>>583301402Westerners already fucked Amy over, we don't need them fucking Tails over just to relive their Archie glory days
>>583301424Sonic's influence is not a net negative on anyoneEggman's influence so far created Starline and by extension Surge and Kit
>>583301402CHADtor makes tailscels seethe because he yoinks the one thing Tails should be good thus reducing him to a retarded kid who does nothing.
Did you know Sonic eats other things besides chilidogs sometimes?
>>583301498Insane projection, Tailsbro!
Archie Tails and Archie Amy were decent tho
Does anyone know exactly which issue of Archie did they realize Tails is supposed to be smart? It feels like it just came out of nowhere at some point before the modern era
>>583301531Sorry, I ment in the context of Prime.
Teirusu to Kitto ^-^
>>583301351>posting about /sthg/ on twitterImshallah may Allah torture and flay their souls.
>>583301169I finally understand you. You don’t like Tails, you like Bulma and want him to be another Bulma. Well that’s fucking wrong. Tails is Tails, and that means more than being the tech geek support. Bulma is cool, but let’s not act like anyone brings her up when talking about their favorite DB characters. Because DB is an ACTION series, just like Sonic. Having a character be tech-only is akin to having them be a plot device. It’s fine for what it is, but it’s really not much. That is not Tails nor should it ever be
>>583300071>So Sonic inspired you too", and the other person replies "Actually, it was you who inspired me", to his surprise. I think it would be nice if he had that role the whole time without realizingYes!!! I was thinking like Tails thinks that he has to man up since Sonic isn't around but everything he does to solve whatever problems they are dealing with it ends up being the things he specifically does that's unique that the others actually find cool and useful!You could have a moment where Marine and Tails work together to solve a tech or tinkering problem, another where Tails and Cream Fly together to to overcome another, and a last one with Charmy where, initially Charmy didnt listen to him because he didnt find him that cool but by the end he does, which gets him to listen to him more and lock in!Would be fun!
Last Barry of the thread
>>583301619Maybe if you love seeing iconic characters get destroyed to service the freedom fighters
Do I have to say it again? That 99% of Tails' problems would be fixed if he was a girl? No one seethes at girls being weak in support roles. No one seethes at girls feeling scared. No one seethes at girls being cute.
>>583301402Because Rotor is quite literally actually a better Tails in every way. Stronger, doesn't depend on Sonic like a child, looks cooler without being a uwu cutesy fox for little boys to project themselves over with.
>>583301402I don't understand why simply engaging in a thought experiment draws so much ire. We're simply having a conversation, not storming Sonic Team HQ with a list of demands.
>>583301820Blaze and amy fans do so this doesn’t make any sense
>>583301707:D>>583301760Yep. Well said!
What are the rules of /sthg/
Cool boys!
>>583301910They have completely different issues. Blaze is the muh strong tomboy who accomplishes nothing and Amy is the girl made to chase Sonic cucked out of her role of being in love with Sonic
>>583301812sonamy is a crackship btw. had to clarify
>>583301948Don’t talk about namefagsOnly post porn at tasteful opportunities Don’t talk about your urine fetish
>>583301820I want Tails, not a bastardization of Tails to appeal to the whims of normalfags who don't understand him. I don't care if they hate soft boys, I love my soft boys>>583301950Yeah!
>>583302049>Don’t talk about your urine fetishKojima would be sad if I didn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szyauxh7ZLE
Honestly I just wish the AItard who is obviously samefagging and constantly posting ads for his shit would just get banned or something I mean come the fuck on dude, he has been doing this for a week straight how is he still posting on here? Are they letting him shit this place up on purpose? I have to fucking assume so.
>>583302049>Don’t talk about your urine fetishDraconian.
>>583300273Eggman exists, Rouge exists, Marine exists.There is no reason to HAVE more than one because that is not how these character casts are structured.You're kind of just begging the question to imply its some kind of flaw in a way that is just weird and feels entitled.
>>583302048I can't tell if this is AI or not
>>583301846>"Looks cooler"i wouldve let this post slide until that horrid lie
>>583302240>>583302240>>583302240
>>583302194Can somebody plz post pictures of Sonic women in clothes like dress pants, collared shirts, maybe dresses, and has them looking very hot and sexy
>>583302159What fucking ads i dont see shit
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>>583302153What is the appeal of this channelI tried to watch one episode once and just couldn't sit through it
>>583300534Then you just made a character eho is both at the same time and more which disrupts the structure.
>>583302438Disrupts the structure? Now you’re just saying any bullshit. Characters don’t need to be one-note, in fact it’s better if they aren’t
>>583300962>the story of 2 directly by him fixing Sonic's plane and helping him reach the Death Egg (and also flying his plane towards Sky Chase after they developed a bondSonic could have flown his own plane himself and just dodged good.You can't claim one can be removed and then other can't when removing both unravels the point of the story
>>583301342Because Bulma is a woman, retard.>>583301742>replying twice.
>>583301193You're doing that thing where you talk about Sonic writing like its a comic book instead of a videogame series.
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Frankly i'm just kind of fed up that you people seem to be more interested in asking how you can justify shoving alt continuity shit into the main canon rather than asking yourself how you can meaningfully use the shit we already have.It's annoying man.Databasefags I swear.
>>583302978Retard
>>583302805Who said anything about being one-note?Look whose just sayong shit now, retard.
>>583303561You said a character being 2 things at once is bad, that means you want them to be one-note, retard
Sonic and Shadow merch in Japan.
>>583301231I tried finding these things and my Walmart is like the only one in the area that doesn't sell them. And I don't know if any other store is selling them.
