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most evil gnome warlock edition

>Blizzard’s new version of World of Warcraft, based on its original 2004 release. Currently in beta, it will feature more than 1,000 new quests, nine new dungeons, new race/class combinations including Undead Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, and more. Level 60 will remain the maximum level cap forever.

>Talent Calculator
https://forevertalents.up.railway.app
>Patch Notes
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696
>News, dev podcast, dev blogposts
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/

>When is it being released?
November 4th
You can reserve your first-name + last-name combo starting October 27th.

>Beta Guilds
Type /who g-"Guild name" to see who's online, whisper anyone for an invite, or ask in thread.
<wowfg> - PvP, Horde (EU on release)
<Little Space> - PvP, Alliance (NA on release)
<Lemon Party> - PvE, Alliance (NA on release)

oldtroon >>583265234
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Troll regen happens with mana too
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>>583284285
is this real?
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Choli
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>>583284285
the pedophile tranny guild list is back in the op, join up pedophiles, now is your chance
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blizz really should fix interracial crossfaction ERP its really unbalanced
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What's the talent you get for flavor only?
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Is the dwarf/gnome starting area one of the fastest to finish?
Not speedrunning or anything but I just tried it and 1-13 felt pretty short.
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i am two shotting normal lvl 5 mobs wtf
warrior is insane
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>>583284426
wrong thread >>>/vg/wowg
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>>583284445
Remember to turn on filters from the settings at the top right of the page, highlight this micro dick beaner's namefag, click the triangle on it's post, click filter selected tex, select name and check auto and hide this faggot subhuman pedophile janny's attentionwhoring presence
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Imma get personal lewt and heroic+ group finder added for dungeons and raids! Blizz will cave to my whining!
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Unironically, and I mean this unironically, should I join Olympus?
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>>583284426
No it's retail
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>>583284285
is it possible to skip surname?
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>>583284572
no, you retail faggots need to stop claiming any level of skill if this shit exists.
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>>583284426
do retail sissies really?
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>>583284627
if you want to make trannies and plebbitors seethe, sure
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need a quesa status update
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>>583284486
GOD I LOVE SPAMMING GOD I LOVE AVATARFAGGING AND PORN RITUAL POSTING
I HAVE A BABY SPIC DICK
forgot to add this
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>>583284285
New to the game and kind of confused about stat weights because I keep seeing different things. People are telling me on Rogue that agility is best and to take it over strength but what if lose like 8 strength for 4 agility? Also where does attack power fit into anything. I'm retarded.
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>>583284736
horde hindoos can't help themselves, I don't know why anyone here is surprised since they do this in the other wow generals for over a decade
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>>583284063
I'm proud to say that the only woman my dick has been inside is my own wife when we gave each other our respective viriginities on our wedding night

wholesome AF desu
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>>583284627
Yes, joining a guild centered around a common interest is great. As much as people criticize those, if you get ganked in the open world, for example, you're more likely to get helped by your guildmates because they know they have at least one thing in common with you. Same goes for 4chan guilds
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>>583284760
turn your sharpness down
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>>583284676
No one uses this you out of touch retard
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>>583284815
Str gives 1 ap
Agi gives 1 ap, a tiny bit of dodge and tiny bit of crit chance

So agi is better but 8 str is better than 4 agi
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>>583284676
it exists on retail, there is no one button rotation here
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Is this considered cute
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>>583284676
wrong thread
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>>583284887
uses tranny slang while it's pretending to be trad, oh no no no... the aids nigger tranny pedophile isn't very good at this
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>>583285004
thanks bwo
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>>583284676
>handicapped options exist so disabled people can play through the questing zones
>somehow this means mythic raiding doesn't take skill
low effort
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>>583285064
looks like a mom
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>>583284887
your nigger wife sent feet pics to chads in her guild in wotlk classic you cuck
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>>583285064
It's decent.
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Is the anti-boosting mechanic where if a mob is grey to anyone in your party, the experience is massively reduced in?
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>>583285064
Need a different hair color or hairstyle
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Gamerdads, how are we doing?
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>>583284730
Hyped for Forever and watching over my father who isn't going to be on this earth much longer
He's getting pretty bad these days
Due to some odd laws and my profession, HIPAA prevents me from saying anything about the medical issue
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>>583285106
You don't understand. John Blizzard is going to turn your kids trans and force them to use this button.
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>>583284627
It makes trans people and other scum of the internet angry which is a plus.
However you are bootlicking a streamer and a jew, which makes 2 minus.
Ultimately the right move here is to not play at all, taking side between these two makes you a dumb faggot.
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dont reply to retailniggers who use hd models
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>>583285106
>>583285070
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short ears > long ears > middle ears
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hunters will be the death nail for casters in 1v1s. sadly, this'll probably get nerfed.
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>>583285150
Damnit
>>583285183
Isn't that the same face tho?
>>583285212
This maybe?
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>>583284449
anon HATES other anons playing together
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>>583284426
Classic is a one button game already so they don't need to add it, all they needed to add was the option that lets you repeatedly cast a spell if you hold the key down.
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>>583285064
>>583285183
>>583285392
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>>583285469
There's no freckle face sadly.... i wish
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>>583285431
classic has 3 times more button than retail
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Chuds wonned
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>>583285224
taking a break from spamming your pedofaggot slop and blue elf avatar attentionwhoring
can you make it more obvious, pedophile janny
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>>583285363
Short looks terrible
Warcraft elves have long ears end of
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>>583285392
Yes perfect now I will sexually harass you
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I am playing a Troll Shaman
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>>583285603
>>583285469
Tried to create the drawing one too
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where the fuck are you supposed to quest 20-30 as horde? every quest either feels too high or too low level
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>>583285537
>fat
>tattoos
>balding
yikes
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>want to play Shaman
>Horde Shaman are really cool aesthetically
>Dwarf Shaman is stupid
>Horde Shaman are the 2nd most popular class
>Dwarf Shaman is basically non-existent
This is a cruel cosmic joke
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>>583285378
no shit
they will get gutted hard
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>>583285469
I LOVE SPAMMING I LOVE RITUAL POSTING
it makes my baby spic dick so hard
again forgot to add this...my bad
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>>583285064
always the one single face kek
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>>583284426
Yeah, they added it so that classic andys can play retail and do 70% of normal dps instead of 20%
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>>583285674
absolutely insane how many struggle with finding quests when the game force feeds you so many options
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>>583285770
other femtroll faces look too old
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>>583285673
if they modelled the top of that hair similarly to the femtroll mohawk it would be kino
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am i getting this right?
>shadowmeld drops combat
>can shadowmeld and charge right after
if this is true then warrior is suddenly playable in pvp if you go nelf. There's still the problem of a warlock being able to put 3 dots on you and go AFK and you'll still die before being able to kill him
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>>583285683
>>Dwarf Shaman is basically non-existent
wdym I'm playing the beta and they are everywhere
my last four dungeon groups had a dwarf shaman in them, one even two
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servers down? cant create a single character on pve lol
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>>583285864
it does not drop combat
if you use it while in combat it drops your threat against NPCs and against players it makes them unable to land their incoming attack
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>>583285520
But to top the meters, you need only one.
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>>583285683
You... don't believe Dwarves being the only alliance shaman is a good thing?
Are you saying Aggrend, our guy and fellow has made a mistake?
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>>583285770
It's the same for orcs, gnomes and female humans.
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>>583285783
retail players needs add-ons to show them how to breathe and how to use the bathroom, please understand
it's more doing it for them than showing at this point though, you ever see the animated movie wall-e, retail players are like the humans on that spaceship
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>>583285378
its still not enough to kill a priest
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>>583285064
>>583285392
They look like they let human men breed them
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>>583285874
The dogshit website that has terrible data thinks that they're the 2nd least popular class on Ally right now
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>>583285681
>yikes
go back rapist
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>>583284426
the retoilet invaders really didnt like this one sister
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>>583284449
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>>583285683
Why do you need more people to play the same class as you?
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Are you going PvE or PvP?
Why?
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Ok now female undead
This cute or nah
>>583286071
They just might
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>>583286194
PvP
I'm not a faggot
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>killing mobs for quest
>four other players competing for the same mobs
>invite each of them
>they all decline
>continue to compete for the same mobs
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>>583285938
update your game
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people fell in love with wow because of the leveling experience. it's part for the cross that blizzard would eventually start overcorrecting and turn it into something more streanlined, basically the retail experience.
every weaving mechanic got removed so now every class feels more or less the same
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>>583286194
PvE
I'm not a faggot
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>DISCONNECTED
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mass d/c
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The future is NOW
https://www.reddit.com/r/wowforever/comments/1wwvkkk/speech_to_text_at_the_press_of_a_button/
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IT KEEPS HAPPENING
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>>583284547
The quests have lots of overlap for the mobs you need to kill and items to pick up in the same areas.
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>disconnected
>login servers are full
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>>583286350
Slow, as expected of a PvEfag
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Yeah i guess undead face 1 it is
>dc
Oh god what's going on
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>>583286194
RP
I'm a faggot
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>>583286452
Definitely this one
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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servers crashed I guess
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>>583286194
it ain't a fresh launch without pvp
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>>583286452
hd undead females look like fucking ass
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>>583286173
guy who looks like a kike getting executed on his knees with a a shot to the back of his head by two mexicans
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just got booted
are servers down or something
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>not in-game
>read anons having dc issues
>suddenly feel the need to login myself
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>>583286490
damn that grew REAL fast
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The queue isn't going down
They broke something
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>>583286487
Yeah
>>583286512
They butchered a lot of the old faces

>login queue: wait time 55 minutes

Fucking..............
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>Invites aren't working
>whispers aren't working
>phased mid fight into a fresh layer
>10 mobs instantly start attacking me
>disconnected
>log back in
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>>583285938
they just died about a minute ago
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>>583286490
get real
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https://youtu.be/y6Vi5Mg_GJU
OH NO NO NO NO
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>>583286492
Oh it wasn't just me? Nice. I was in a WC run.
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>OOPS teehee we did a thing! xd
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>>583286194
PvP. It's more fun.
>muh ganking
>muh harassment
barely even happens
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>finish fap sesh
>servers fucking die
what the shit
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I am once again asking for Alliance Skelf Shaman and the removal of lava burst.
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>>583286316
wrong i fell in love with wow watching warcraft movies pvp movies then i bought the game zoomed to 70 and started playing pvp, levelling is just the chore you do before you can play the game
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>>583286194
I took the screenshot of the black gnome in the OP >>583284285 and him waving at me and giving me a kiss was funny in the context that I had his life in my hands as I was higher level. I assume blizzard will just lock horde eventually on live server so there isn't a faction imbalance in the future, all the dadgamers can't help but go horde pvp every single time
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>>583286452
>No Elvira hair
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>>583284547
As the other guy said it has a lot of overlap, but also because of the mountains it's actually a fairly small zone so there isn't much walking to do in getting everything done. It's also one of the first zones in the game to follow what I call "TBC-onward quest design" where quest hubs, give quests that are around that hub. This might seem obvious but you'd be surprised how rare this tended to be pre-tbc
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>>583286490
queue aint moving either
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>>583286564
I mashed reconnect the picosecond I crashed too... :(
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>>583285980
ah, well its still a tough decision to pick between human and nelf for warrior. Not sure which one i'll go
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>>583286620
Nah this is google fucking up
Their services all went down
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AIIIEEEEEEE LEEET MEEEE PLAAAAYYY
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>>583286636
skelves should be mages on horde and shaman on alliance. Orcs should not be mages
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lol i was creating a new character
got timeout but just for the char creator
im still in
char creater and im playing

no queue
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>>583286621
>barely even happens
phase 2 on classic sure proved that wrong
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>>583286603
I hate these videos where people stand in front of the camera with a mic in their hand or a staff that they point at stuff with
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>>583286116
even that shitty site says it's the most played race + class combo overall in the 20-30 level bracket
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>>583286450
>PvEfag can't mirror this post because it would make PvP players look good
lol countered
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>>583286726
dwarf shaman, undead paladin, ally skelf shamans, horde skelf paladins. this was literally so easy to do and they fucked it up.
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Es ist over.
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>>583286194
RP PvP if its added
if not, just gonna take it easy on RP
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>>583286832
brüdi, nein..
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>>583286682
problem with humans is that you are stuck with swords which limits your weapon options a lot and there is going to be so much competition for swords
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>>583286657
it's moving a lot for me now
>>583286742
the irony in it is that they're trying to be quirky and unique in the sea of other people doing the exact same thing seeing it as quirky and unique
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Generated this and it's good but that fucking claw is boney AF
Figured someone here might enjoy it before I delete
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>>583285683
just stop being gaytarded
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>>583285756
you're my favorite poster btw. I fucking hate these 35 year old dysgenic tranny virgins and they deserve to be bullied in their online safe spaces just like they were in school and in real life
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>>583286832
Go kill some time by pissing like a woman, Hans.
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Is class balance going to have to shift dramatically or is everyone ok with rolling as a hunter
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>>583286603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykaJD7BFPWE
i still dont know how these parasites become popular
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>>583286194
Keep it fashy. Keep it fresh. And for the love of god, keep it hardcore!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjIbdY5j8Ao
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>>583285756
>>583286903
What are you schizos even trying to convey here?
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>>583286194
PvE. I'm not someone else's content.
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Not even out the very first area and i got a buff
This is working splendid
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Zug...
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>>583285340
>>583285160
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>>583286884
you can paint your skin blue all you want, but you'll always be brown on the inside with black nigger blood flowing through those veins
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>>583286194
PvE as I don't have time nor patience for that PvP shit
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>>583287008
Incredibly sheep pilled
You're supposed to make yourself the gank spanker
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Will you guys progress me horizontally through all the tiers of content in forever when retail dies?
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>>583286774
people are playing a beta and doing whatever + leveling multiple characters. It's going to be different on release, only spergs are even playing the beta anyway
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>>583286832
Server haben zu, geh ins Bett.
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WOWBABS??? YOUR SERVERS??
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How do I get a wow girlfriend?
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Welp guess I'm gonna put on some goynip while servers are down
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woah
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>>583287153
ich bin drin wurde nicht gekickt
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IM BAAACK IIIIIINNNM KAA KAA KAAA
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>>583287207
Healing... 2h axe? Not bad
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>>583286774
where are you getting these gay and probably unreliable stats?
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>>583286903
wanting an on-topic general that talks about the game that is being reconstructed live is hard work, the jannies sure don't want to see it happen, we're invading their safespaces where they erp themselves fucking aborted black baby fetuses and recite the communist manifesto
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>>583287153
Sandmännchen war noch nicht da was mach ich jetzt?
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>>583285363
Circumcised elfs are instant kick in my groups
Not taking any chances
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>>583287325
https://classicplus.io/
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>>583287007
ugly tranny virgins should stop treating /vg/ as their own personal discords where the spew their porn addiction in an attempt to garner a little attention. Pathetic grown ass men
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>>583286876
yeah I was thinking about that, plus the stun racial is only good against rogues which is your only decent matchup anyway
I'll be rolling druid as my second class so it'll either be two nelf characters or one nelf one human
if the current racials dont change it does seem like nelf is the better option, its racials are way better for open world and isnt far behind the human crit for pve
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>>583287325
idk i just ask @grok for very beautiful stats website
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I just want ya’ll to know self fornication is a sin.
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>>583287134
Don't worry honey, plenty of kiddos just like you on pvp servers, go have fun!
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>>583286774
>>583287393
>>583287407
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>>583287207
>93 healing at 39

So they want us doing wotlk numbers at 60? fucking hell
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>>583287207
Shockadin...was real all along
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Wowww I made 240g today in the mailbox, up from about 100g yesterday. I’ve broken the graph, we were making almost exactly 20g per day. And now this happened. I guess I don’t have enough items yet for my income to be a linear line. We’re up to about 800 items on the auction house, with the average price probably being around 2g per item. I’ve been at this for 6 days, for about 30 minutes per evening. Anyways, yesterday I invested into some higher level crafting materials. Thorium being the biggest investment, I spent probably 80g on thorium ores and bars. And these items do sell for a similar percent increase compared to lower level materials. However, they’re selling for a higher price so the increase in gold is a big difference. It’s risky though, it’s easy to fuck up and lose money. It’s also getting harder to mentally remember like every little purchase im flipping, im more or less just going with the flow of things and trusting when i was buying the item, i was getting a good deal and itll be almost impossible to lose money. Anyways ive sold out of my earthroot farm 3 times now. Every time i get tons of earthroot, it eventually just all sells. So this time, im increasing the price by double. Let’s see if it works again. I’ve also managed to collect a massive amount of wool cloth, which is a fun item. Not every item is equal, the power of wool cloth is at least an epic. Wool cloth is an item that every character needs more than they naturally farm through leveling. And it also drops from the second tier of mobs, meaning fresh alts won’t always manage to farm any of it. And max level characters also are unlikely to collect any through naturally playing the game. Light feathers have been another unexpected epic, lots of people wanna be casting slowfall and are prepared to pay a small fee for the right to cast their spells. My engi mats all sold out, that’s great to see I knew it would work. I can probably ask for a higher fee but for
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>>583287570
no retard they changed all the coefficients and shit
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used it and it did 224 fire damage to myself
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Playable Naga race announcement soon, friends!
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>>583287647
healing barely got touched, retard
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>>583287570
U gays r gonna be doing like millions of dps and have millions of hp
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>>583287678
touch my balls fag
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>>583287647
>plus ONE BILLION attack power
>attacks barely seem stronger
this is not good
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>>583287545
uhhhh, horde bros?
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>>583287657
Even more delusional than "new class" and "new specs" retards.
Hell, 100 times more delusional than ogretards and HElfaggots together.
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What's the Aspergers' class of choice these days?
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Kinda undecided
Femdead has a weird jumping animation and skips about
Femtroll wobbles around while walking
Hmmm
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>>583287545
someone just didn't scan horde side lol
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>>583287962
hunter
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>>583287982
orc next
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>>583287541
Are you gay?
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Huh i did not know that
Neat
>>583288086
Yes hold please
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>every single bot I have seen so far has been horde because of the faggot streamer duel tournament
why isn't shizzard doing anything about the streamer question
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>>583286636
Terrible takes but I expect that from anyone who wants to be an elf shaman.
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Damn femorc is hard
Most faces look weird
There's not enough hairstyles
This maaaaaaybe?
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>>583287962
Hunter and Warlock
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>>583287168
Finding yourself a potential wife in world of warcraft is nearly impossible
First the population is set against you if you're a male since the game ratio of players via gender is like 70% to 30%

Then you have to factor in personality type
Most women who play world of warcraft are introverts as extraverts don't enjoy MMORPGs as much
You yourself are likely introverted meaning your natural partner is extraverted (unless you enjoy really quiet relationships and want an introvert)

Then factor in finding that person in world of warcraft and the odds of you two conversing enough to start an online friendship
Now, top that off with liking the persons looks (which you probably won't) and then there's a bunch biological factors
People naturally pick up on if someone is a suitable partner via scent and it's all done subconsciously when in proximity to that person
The odds are extremely slim of finding anything worth your while

Dating in the 21st century is pretty dismal due to the fact that the social culture has flipped to e-dating and people are less socially capable of communicating in real life
The dating websites want to make money which means they have incentive to keep you single so you keep paying monthly

QRD: You're not.

You could always try praying to God
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>>583288432
Fem orcs looks like trannys which is fitting because every single one in game is a tranny.
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>>583288432
without belves, we're out of luck
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>>583285064
Certified made for Human cock
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>>583288432
You're supposed to use SD models
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>it's a queso samefagging episode
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>>583288517
Guess so
Hard to do
Advantage of femorc would be their model fits armor the best
>>583288554
Sadly yeah
>>583288579
I... don't want to
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>>583288432
Fem orcs look great till they move. Every single animation, their casting, their melee, it's all fucking dogshit.
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Anons? recommend some cool addons, please.
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>>583287207
The idea of a two handed axe healer almost would make me play Shaman, but I know these kinds of weapons will be super rare
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I don't really see the end goal of all this. When I'm 60 and have good equipment what is there left for me to do?
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>>583288432
this bitch got an 8head
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>>583287654
fun, will probably keep even at max
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>>583288603
Stayvun, is that you?
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>>583288616
Remember creation is just the beginning. Getting these slampigs to a capital for the barbershop is the TRUE dress-up adventure.
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>>583288513
you're a prime candidate for suicide, what can we do to help you get closer to ending it all
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>>583286194
PvE because PvP is full of sweaty faggots
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>>583288634
I got you king
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/olympus-guild
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>>583288692
Cant this be applied to any game?
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>>583288616
>>583288432
>>583285673
>>583285392
>>583285363
>>583285183
>>583285064
Freckles should be an option for all races.
I'm feral about freckles the way some japs are feral about glasses
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Give me shadow knight as a class
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>>583288693
You could land so many jets on that one too
>>583288724
I guess so
>>583288627
Honestly? Comparing orc with troll and undead, femorc moves the most natural out of all of them
No wobbling, no spinning, no skipping
>>583288803
Agreed
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are we back or the queues are still insane?
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>>583287962
rogue
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>/silly
>what's estrogen? can you eat it?

Old blizzard huh
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>>583288692
Are you asking why the game isn't worth playing 16 hours a day for your entire life?

If only the leveling is fun for you then you level other characters or quit, if you enjoy dungeons, raids, and pvp or some combination thereof then you do those until you've had your fill then you can either quit for good or take a break and wait for new content and then come back and play a bit. It's not a fucking gacha game where you are coerced into logging in every single day.
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Classic players getting baited into difficulty nonsense is really silly. Go ask mythic raiders how they're feeling the past 2 years. But also in the same vein, like, a +16 dungeon in the current season is about on the same difficulty as the average classic dungeon, and thats high enough to get you most prestige rewards.
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are Gnomes made to be orced?
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>>583288634
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>retoilet out of nowhere

no one cares about your dead garbage tranny
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>>583289026
Can you replace that with everything?
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>>583289026
what
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>transmog
Defend this without sounding like a retoilet or coping.
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God I love retail
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>>583288970
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Neck enchants costing 100-150g+ is all the evidence you'll ever need that everyone in beta with neck enchants is an RMTrannie.
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I got tired of hearing that stupid fucking whip crack and oooo noise every 5 seconds at the AH so I used Leatrix to mute it but doesn't persist through log ins. Is that a bug or does it just not work that way? Is there something that works better for that?
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>>583288758
May you be blessed for your lack of ability to be at peace within yourself
It's not your fault you're like this
I know life is tough and has been set against you since birth
Let go of the anger in your heart
Get well soon, friend
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>>583289125
me look cool
me choose what look cool
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>>583288992
Nah that orc is made to be ate according. Look the gnome already thinks of him only as food to consume.
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>>583289094
Penis envy? Is that your name anon?
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>>583289125
It makes low level items with bad stats more valuable if they have a unique and desirable appearance.
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>>583289115
yes you can change paladins >> fags
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>>583289125
Slutmogs... slutmogs everywhere!
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we need a Beta census
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>>583287168
>>583288513
The classic and most reliable strat is to create a successfull or at least active guild.
Bitches who actually put significant time into mmos behave very similarly yo women IRL. They will try to attention whore once they enter a "safe" environment to do so.
They will interact with you more as guild leader/ raid leader. And you will have to single them out from time to time to ramp up interactions until you get her contacts outside the game.
This will typically also lead to drama because that is just what women in MMOs like to do.
All the stuff the other anon said still applies. The golden age meeting people online is basically over.
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>>583289191
i believe you can mute those baseline in the games sound settings

any way to mute the sound effects when getting it
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>>583289125
I think it adds a nice layer of collect-a-thon elements to the game, helping keep content at all levels alive. It's a fairly low-effort/cost implementation that provides a lot of enjoyment to a lot of people and its (95%) optional.
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>>583287654
used this three times now, fire damage to self every time, hope I didn't give up the dagger for a meme trinket
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>>583288864
>>583288616
>>583288432
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>>583284760
>t. Ukor
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IT DROPPED
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>>583289385
Hey this kind of behavior sucks. Do not do this.
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>>583289474
God damn that's harsh lol
You know what i might've settled on femorc
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>>583289573
is this even good?
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>>583289191
>>583289416
Did they ramp that up to max? I swear it did not happen that often back in the day even with multiple locks present.
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>>583289196
see you in hell, pedophile janny
ohh wait i don't post child porn and protect pedophiles like you or your child raping prophet, you know that's the real reason the romans crucified him, right
you dumb spic pedo
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>>583289573
i guess you can get it from high level chests
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>>583289651
no but it is le epic fire sword so people still want it to look special, same as tabard of frost and other garbage
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>>583288432
femorc SD looks the best
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>>583289573
first lionheart helm pattern now this
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>>583289573
>60
>world epic
>drop
Looted by an undermesh bot from a chest in stratholme
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>>583289674
I don't know but it's so fucking annoying I hear it like 20x a minute and I don't want to turn off all sounds, literally just that. I'll have to look for something else then.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJLHFOjSpBY
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>>583289573
Blasthavers eatin good
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>>583289573
It did not.
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>>583289591
whats your name so I can ignore you in game?
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I wish the Shaman functioned more like the Paladin. It just feels like an auto attack class with shitty spells.
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>>583289835
That's not nice anon...
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>>583289868
>retoilet moment
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>>583289585
Eh, it's the way 99% of "me and my husband met in mmo" stories actually went. Simple truth whether we like it or not.
Same as pretending to be a women was an easy and highly reliable way to earn money and get lots of free stuff in Ragnarok online for the exact same reason.
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>>583289868
Anon, that's literally what Paladin is.
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>>583289868
>It just feels like an auto attack class with shitty spells.
So, like paladin? Also shaman was way better party buffs
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>>583289868
>It just feels like an auto attack class with shitty spells.
you're describing paladin
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>>583289868
>auto attack calls with shitty spells
but...thats paladin.
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Classic Andies are going to ruin the game for the rest of us

Across all the beta discourse I’ve seen the last couple week, the worst takes have consistently come from the Classic Andy crowd.

Most recently with dungeon xp being nerfed, apparently the reason the nerf needs to be reverted is because people don’t want to have to do questing “again” after having done it 20 times in Vanilla, and/or have already decided to level a bazillion alts and don’t want to do questing for all of their bazillion alts to get them to 60. It feels obvious to me that the more reasonable answer is “maybe this game isn’t for you anymore if you don’t enjoy/don’t want to do the questing”, but, no, xp gains need to be changed for EVERYONE to cater to the crowd who doesn’t want to admit their crippling addition to this game might be the problem. The devs have added over 1,000 quests and youse are doing everything in your power to invalidate that hard work.

Another reason is “because raids drop in 5 weeks”. Yes…and? The content isn’t going anywhere? Why do you need to be max level & full prebis in time for raids? SLOW DOWN. ENJOY THE BEAUTIFUL GAME WE’VE BEEN GIVEN.

This game absolutely SHOULD NOT be shoehorned into whatever little box the Classic Andies want it in so they can have wet dreams again at night. Yes, levelling is slow. IT’S MEANT TO BE THAT WAY. If you absolutely must, a catch-up mechanic for alts would be more reasonable, instead of changing content for everyone.

Also the game should not look like absolutely dog water. I’m sorry, but the game does not need to have WC3 graphics. Higher fidelity is ok.

I absolutely love where Forever is right now. Please don’t ruin it for the rest of us because you’re incapable of moving on and accepting change.

inb4 the classic Andies tell me to go back to retail even though I’ve never played it in my life.
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do you think replacing a "u" with a "v" in my name is cool? For example: Chvd
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>>583290086
nah get the u with the dots on it like a smiley face
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJFmTqRJwds

>warlocks can tank now
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>>583289651
for trannymog
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>>583289385
>>583289585
Yeah that's 100% an abuse of power
Don't do it
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>>583290032
TRVKE
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>>583290086
I would pronounce it as choved.
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>>583290032
Go back to retoilet
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>>583290032
lies always come reddit spaced
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>>583286726
>orcs can be mages but dwarves and NEs cant
seriously what the fuck are they doing
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>>583290163
they can't
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>>583290032
100000% they saw that a lot of people were flocking to forever
they now just want forever to be 1:! like classic

and i hate it
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>>583286194
Pvp because I'm straight and white
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>>583289868
>with shitty spells
fire nova seems very overtuned early game, I feel like a god, maybe you just suck at the game dude
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>>583290032
its called Classic+, classic chads are the one they should cater too
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>>583290189
so is sexualizing children and wanting to fuck them, but you have no qualms about that
kys, janny
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>>583290361
it's not called that though
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gore drinker is OP

use it now they will nerf it
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>>583290265
Orc mages and troll warlocks are such boring additions nobody gives a fuck about them
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does anyone have that clip of alexsensual losing to that lvl 57 warlock in blasted lands as a level 60 hunter?
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>>583286194
RP for me, more social and I always end up making more acquaintances resulting in an easier time to dungeon up and chill. Of course roleplaying is fun too.
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Take your meds schizo, your cortisol is spiking LOL
Go take a walk and calm down xD
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>>583290265
>NEs cant
Im still mad about this, they gave humans hunter but not NE mage. Give me what i want blizzard.
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>>583284285
ya know its kinda dumb but I kinda wished they would've given us some new animations for attacks (that would fit with the Classic style, of course). Its disappointing that basically every Warrior skill uses the same exact animation.
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>>583290408
it was called that on stage in front of millions
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Why did aggrend cave to the warriors again? Did they dox him or something?
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>>583290032
It's time that we oust the classic andy fags whenever they cry go back to retail we need to put them in their place and tell em to go back to classic if that is what they want.
If the old systems were so good why come to our game and try to ruin it? You have your own game already.
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>>583290032
I've never played WoW before this so I don't have any dog in the race, but I constantly see people saying this but about the other group. I think you're both giant groups of faggots that want this version to be your version of the game and are being faggots about it. 1 group wants it to literally be exactly like classic for some reason and the other retards want flying and other retail features. You're all faggots, just play the fucking game and have fun.
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How often are you faggots actually going to fall for WoW Classic™ Classic™?
Its never going to be 2004 again and you're a balding middle-aged man in the millenials version of a midlife crisis. Just come play Retail with the rest of us.
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>>583289868
>auto attack class
classes that augment their autoattacks are the most fun classes
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>>583290494
retail minus doesn't sound as good
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Did they drop an SD version of Skyborn yet?
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me when i join a new guild with an established clique
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Why are dwarf players like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HByYnkXFOA
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spic pedophile janny is projecting and having withdrawals this is the longest amount of time without it's shitslop spam flooding this place
that's why it has to resort to larping a virtue signaling blogpost
please fucking kill yourself
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>>583290032
>Also the game should not look like absolutely dog water. I’m sorry, but the game does not need to have WC3 graphics. Higher fidelity is ok.
The issue the vast majority of ppl have isnt about higher or lower fidelity its the whiplash of adding current day shit to a vanilla world 90% made up of lower fidelity stuff. It's jarring and a perfectly valid complaint to have if you care at all about how the game looks.
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>>583289786
Yeah I agree
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>>583290265
>>583290462
There's a pretty fucking major lore reason why night elves don't practice arcane magic.
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>>583290534
he's giving them hope before dropping a fat pally buff before launch
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>>583290032
In order to enjoy a song, you have to listen to it
You can't savor it longer by hitting pause
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>>583290534
it's retail if warrior isn't top dps
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Gnome for cute sexo or Human for big sexo? Gnomes are so small that you don't see much of their equipment which is a bit sad.
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>>583291054
Depends on the class
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>>583290265
>>583290462
But….. isn’t the entire point about night elves is that they reject the usage of the arcane magics? Banished entire sects of magic users of their own surviving race?
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>>583290945
is that you're going to call it when you finally kill yourself, pedophile janny
a pause, whatever you want to call it
please make it happen sooner than later
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>>583290586
mommy
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/silly
>Yes theres a sausage in my trousers, a FEMALE’s sausage!

Heh, classic blizz!
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>cattle happily burn 60 bucks to play a beta for a month before it wipes all progress.
have jews ever had it easier to do their job? why are cattle so easy to trick?
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>>583291190
>/silly
>yes they're real! no they're not mine!
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>>583290839
Anon, please, most of these anons still think the Skyborne are a faction of High Elves because one retard said it weeks ago and all the bots recorded it.

You should feel ashamed for assuming they can read.
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>>583291124
Theres two splinter sects that were fine with it. The Shendralar and the Highborne. Shendralar are in Dire Maul. Highborne became High Elves.
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>>583290972
arms warrior is top dps in M+ this season
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>>583291124
>>583290839
If they can asspull undead pali's and sky elves into the game then they can work NE mages into it as well.
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>>583291124
Tyrande already accepts arcane using gnomes and humans now
Night elf mage was one of the less lorelol combos we got in Cata, since it was just the night elf mages from Dire Maul joining the Alliance
I bet this will happen in Forever too, since their leader (Mordent Evenshade) is apparently in the new Shen'dralas zone
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>>583291154
>he still thinks hell be allowed to play furyprot
Put on the shield or reroll and put on a dress to heal real classes, sissy.
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>>583291119
Priest
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>>583290658
no but we have incubus
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>>583291272
Those splinter sects aren't specifically the playable Night Elf race, now are they? (Until the future addition of Prince T. and his faction into the Kaldorei fold, of course)
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Why do I love the females of all races except nelves, blelves and skelves?
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is there any interest in a PVE alliance guild
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>>583291426
disgusting
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They should give us horizontal progression in the skill tree. Every couple months you get a few more skill points and at some point you'll have maxed everything. That would be so cool.
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>>583289385
>>583287168
anon is right, the dynamics dont really change. You need to bring something to the table to get their attention, easiest way is having some authority or reputation in your guild.
In my last guild I wasnt an officer but i was there for a long time and was sort of a character, some people liked me others didnt. That was enough to create a sense of intrigue with the one(1) female in the guild who I, like ten others, was interested in.
I started with giving her mana potions, offering to make pots for her, and like anon said you ramp it up to have one on one interactions with her.
I was very fortunate that we both had alts around the same level so I offered to level together. After we got into vc it was a done deal.
Be careful what you wish for though. I got tired of her after two months because she was an emotionally turbulent depressed energy vampire.
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>>583291054
pick for racials and morph to what you like to look at
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is the retail cosmology still canon in forever? if so why does arcane magic attract demons? was this ever explained in retail?
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Alex is absolutely DESTROYING Forever right now.
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>>583288970
is that real or are you maymeing?
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>>583291124
>>583291447
I understand your point but if the lore abortion that is sky elves existing and joining both factions at once is tolerable then playable Shendralar should also be fine
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>>583291447
I never said they could you zesty nigger. I just pointed it out.
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>>583291546
The J’lor needed it for XER mastermind plan to remake reality, this will be realized in Forever…
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>>583291570
it's real, skyborn say it
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for me it's Assumi taking dog cocks
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>>583290872
Along with the shaman and lock tank specs, of course!
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>>583291201
>doing this for free
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>>583289173
we told you last thread, it's not that hard to get 100g if you're not a casual
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>>583291573
Sky elves don't contradict anything in existing lore. They fit more neatly than TBC Draenei ever did.
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They need to disable the combat log and all forms of data collection.

This is the only way to kill parse trannies.
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>>583291570
that's an orc female joke since 2004 you mongoloid
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>>583291542
I do like the gnome aesthetic but as I said they are so small that even the equipment I do like is not really noticeable. Or are there add-ons to make a gnome human sized?
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for me it's female hunters taking dog cocks
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What's with the 4 bozos in this thread inventing a trans thing in game and then getting mad at it?
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>>583291706
>shaman and lock tank specs
you'll have to buy those, $30 each
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>>583291426
Incubus is bis as it lets me forcefully turn other players into faggots.
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>>583291703
dogs are gay, I wanna see her fuck 3 imps at once
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O fukkk I wanna booooooooost. I wanna also buy a boooooooost. Somebody boooost me and I’ll boooost somebody else guys there’s a max level boosting problem and im responsible
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>>583291703
>Assumi
Yes

>Animals
No

>Assumi with Taurens, Orcs, Goblins, Blood Elves and Humans
Yes
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>>583291773
If they have nothing to get mad at then they feel empty inside. Gotta keep that fire going.
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>>583291335
>if they pissed in your mouth, then why shouldn't you let them shit in it too?
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>>583291414
Gnome
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>>583290032
>Andies
what is this gay twitch verbiage
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>>583291691
but the jailor uses shadow magic i thought
where does arcane magic fit into his plan
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>>583290032
>classic players are the ones who dont want to spend leveling
uhhh sure, its definitely not the retail players who are used to zooming around at 500% speed and mobs dying the second their character looks at them.
No, Its the classic players who dont like leveling, sure.
Back to retail faggot.
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>>583291861
imma horizontally boost this salami into ur mouth, progressively speaking!
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>>583291792
Of course, of course!
We need to ensure wow forever makes money >:^)
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>>583291887
nothing you ever say will influence them to not add night elf mages or gnome druids or dracthyr demon hunters
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>>583291745
oh I see it's an orc joke, not a tranny thing
lol
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>>583291872
kill yourself, pedophile janny
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>>583291923
It stems from Ice Poseidon's public live streams
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Horde just gets whatever the fuck they want huh
They ask for Undead paladins, not only do they get them but they get an entire new warcraft 3 campaign about undead paladins and new paladin exclusive horse assets with a lot more effort than anything the Alliance ever got, this while the Alliance gets... Dwarf shaman? With 2009 Cataclysm totem models? The ugly race nobody wants to play is the only shaman of the Alliance, while the horde gets one of their most popular as Paladin.

Don't even mention how with the Skyborn, the 30 USD race that by Chirs Metzen quote stopped the Alliance from getting High Elves because "think bigger guys! like how i think of self inserting as green jesus! 30 usd blue elves for both factions!", give the horde yet ANOTHER Shaman race with entire new assets while the Alliance gets... mage, a class with zero assets required.

The cherry on the cake is all this happening during the "Alliance killed on sight" Midnight expansion with the devs confirming "we're coming back to Faction conflict! but only hordes killing alliance of course", because perish the thought of Horde being kill on sight on Bel'ameth and Gilneas, instead they get to walk freely there.
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we're in here

https://www.twitch.tv/barny
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>>583292042
I thought Asmon invented it cause he's also saying it.
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>>583291923
it's like negative nancy or peeping tom
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Will people in this game spit on me and not want to play with me if my character is named something silly or not lore accurate?
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>>583292110
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>>583287207
Nice axe for Mend Pet
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>>583291573
On one hand, I will agree that the Shendralar rejoining the Night Elves and bringing their access to Mage class is sensible, particularly with them actively being alive and not being demon-huffers. I just want it to be a Dire Maul content update, rather than baseline on launch.

On the other hand, Skyborne don't violate any pre-existing lore and serve as a vehicle for expanding on lore such as Thunderfury/Thunderaan, which will definitely be part of the revamped Molten Core. Now, is their complementary narrative an excuse for Blizz to add pretty elves to the Horde-side without having to make use of Blood/High Elves prior to having a full content update ready for them? Yeah, most likely.
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>>583292129
He likely adopted it
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>>583292102
>horde gets a class
>alliance also gets a class but on a race no one likes so it magically doesn't count
>both factions get a new race
>alliance gets a city
seems like alliance got more
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>>583292042
which you shitskin pedophile biters latched onto immediately once i used the term just once in this general to describe retail players lol can't you come up with a personality of your own, jose
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>>583291715
>haha bro I just had 100g magically appear by selling linen or "playing the ah hahaja"
I know youre trolling but theres people out there stupid enough to think people will buy those excuses in 2026.
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>>583292102
Stay abominable, Garithos.
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>>583292102
Alliance has and always will be the favored faction. Once in a blue moon Horde gets something.
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>>583292110
>1k viewer on a man imitating a woman's voice
I don't get it
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>>583292262
no point arguing with a retoilet crybaby.
If everything in game isnt Humans and Elves holding hands and singing kumbaya they get upset.
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>>583292262

Dwarf shaman has been a thing since 2009, that's longer than you were alive in this world zoom zoom. And undead are one of the most popular and op races in the game, complete opposite to dwarves who even have racials that GO AGAINST shaman gameplay.

> Y-you get an entire new city!

Wooah which one? Where's my Dalaran? The one you Horde made neutral and even when you got kicked out you were allowed back in immediately next expansion since you cried.

I see no alliance exclusive Dalaran :)
If anything i see an entire new dungeon on the fucking doors of a horde city.
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>>583292110
our gal
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>>583292231
how much longer is your shift in this place, blackmailed pedophile
you know you're their bitch, right
and you'll be their bitch in the afterlife as well
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>>583291490
guess not
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>get an email from blizz with beta in the title
>oh boy, my free beta invite!
>its actually just an add saying the beta is live and you should totally buy it now
why?
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>>583292110
>no cam
I can't goon to this
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>>583291956
Kys gay retard
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>>583292394
Arguing with people on the internet post 2025 is insane haha
You literally can't tell whose a clanker and whose a clicker

The world we were born in no longer exists blah blah blah xD
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>>583292468
Middle girl looks like she's trying to cosplay Kibellah from Rogue Trader lmao
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>>583292527
so you buy it
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>>583292445
UC Gatekeepers run this anon's pockets on the daily.
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>>583292468
I see why mirrors are so bad for a tranny's health, like going outside
I'd kill myself too, if I looked like that
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which faction will the better pve players be on? in retail all the good players and top guilds are on horde.
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Can someone give me a qrd on the skyelf lore I have not made one and don't intend on doing so.
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>>583292445
is this a schizo post? dwarf couldn't be a shaman in vanilla, that's new to forever
>b-but cata...
killed retail, so what? we're talking about forever
also cata was in 2010, you are a poseur
>Where's my Dalaran?
in the arathi highlands, with guards that KOS horde players
>The one you Horde made neutral and even when you got kicked out you were allowed back in immediately next expansion since you cried.
what is this schizobabble
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>>583292701
Horde
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>>583292660
>I'd kill myself too, if I looked like that

You incels are ugly as fuck tho and have very high suicide rates. Straight men, specially single straight men, kill themselves at a higher rate than trannies.
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Any mob on Alliance side you can camp for some good blue ranged weapon?
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>>583292468
OUR GIRL IS PREGNANT????!!
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>>583292527
Most people don’t get emails. So the cult that owns all these companies basically found ways to send emails. It just helps the overall situation, when people are getting emails it like gives them a reason to check their email inbox. And giving people reasons to do things which doesn’t involve going outside, is technically a win. That seems to be the truth of it. It’s never about selling products, very rarely anyways. They’d also have easily, easily shut down all forms of spam service. Which tells me they’re not only allowing it, they’re doing it themselves.
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>>583292589
maybe you could setup a pedophile toddler ai so you could spend all day together and not shit up this place with your samefagging reply pity party, shitskin pedo janny
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>be me, healing a HoL run
>undead mage is topping damage all run with aoe
>easy 30 minute adventure, check healing done afterwards
>undead mage has healed 57 health total
even in the best case scenario, the trait is garbage
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>>583292468
jesus christ
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>>583292725
>arathi highlands
i mean alterac mountains
i get them mixed up a lot
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>>583292883
does it count if he had full hp thoughbeit?
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>>583292883
Is that 57 from his racial? Just from reading it I thought that sounds really good
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>>583287647
great so its just items that will have retarded bloatred stats? can't wait for my level 60 staff with 3000 spell power
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>>583292725
>dwarf couldn't be a shaman in vanilla

Dwarves have been able to be shamans since 2009 you stupid bitch, they've been a thing for longer than WoW's been out.

>in the arathi highlands, with guards that KOS horde players

So like in Vanilla? And same as in vanilla it's also not accessible to the Alliance and the very expansion that introduced Dalaran gave it to you Horde? Pathetic.

I guess it makes sense to pander so much to Horde players to try and appease them so they don't shoot up a school since horde players are all mentally ill incels.
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>>583292828
You need psychiatric help and I hope you get it
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>>583289474
cute. even back in the day i barely remember seeing any femorcs, don't even know what their laugh sounds like off the top of my head
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>>583290032
The majority including classic Andies and retail Randies want to zoom through leveling. The most purchased addon is restedxp.
People enjoy end game, what's wrong with that? Littering zones with a few new quests and adding a couple dungeons here and there won't remedy the zoom to 60. I don't understand this issue a few players have with others levelling optimally, it doesn't stop said players levelling as slow as a turtle or hurt them in anyway.
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>>583292185
>On the other hand, Skyborne don't violate any pre-existing lore [...]
Definitely, but in the context of a vanilla inspired setting, how do you feel about the fact that they can join both factions?
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>>583292772
ywnbaw, your head is shaped like a fucking lego
you're a perfect match, you could be related and it wouldn't even matter, you found your soulmate, fly fly
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With the dungeon finder cancer gone is there a chance we will ever get a kino megadungeon like BRD again?
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>>583292998
yes
try not to have a sissygasm
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>>583292110
>tranny
>playing horde
the memes are true after all
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>>583293104
they already announced another megadungeon
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>>583293104
BRD will be chopped up like SM
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>>583292701
the best pvpers make the best pvers, horde pvp or alliance pvp will have the best pvers
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>>583293086
>ywnbaw

Thank god, women are disgusting. Why would anyone but mentally ill straight men want to be one?

Meanwhile you incels will never be WITH a woman, and suicide statistics show your loneliness epidemic is driving you all to blow your heads out with a shotgun :)
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>>583293007
if you could refrain from shitting up this place because it's been moving fast for two weeks, that would be great, blackmailed pedophile namefag janny
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>>583293104
supposedly timbermaw hold will be a megadungeon like BRD
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No class does more bitching and whining than druids
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meanwhile in duskwood
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>>583292468
going for that "frumpy woman in her 30s/40s desperately trying to feel young again" look, i see

never understood why trannies go all the way with HRT, estrogen just makes you fat and ugly if you're a man
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>>583293173
Excellent artwork
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>>583293262
paladins*
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>>583292468
maaan i used to watch keyori when he was straight and had a gf and played league
the moment he touched wow, trooned out
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>>583293280
he has trouble going in buildings for some reason
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>>583293321
lol
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>>583293235
we're outside of reddit, you're not required to format your posts like that
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>>583293104
krol'dok stronghold
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>>583292982
probably not, it wouldn't make sense for a instant heal to trigger at full hp
>>583292994
yes that was trait healing, but imo it's hard to justify such a low % chance to trigger compared to something like orc's flat 20% stun reduction
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>>583293104
Who cares
No one will run dungeons now that all xp is turbo nerfed and quests give dogshit xp.
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>>583287905
>ogretards
thanks for calling out all 2 of us like that buddy
rub it in
got a faggot shota fox race, not ogres. and you know fucking what, the 5th reskin of blood elf is $30 extra. you know what, everyone was fucking right. people will let blizzard fuck their asshole bloody if they get to play some basic bitch thing and no actual interesting race will ever be introduced.
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>>583293370
he made it into the inn just fine and slapped some guys shit
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>>583293404
Where do you think the Drowned City(DC) is?
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>>583293173
>>583293258
>>583293404
Really?
don't toy with my feelings anons
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>>583293361
do you think his parents hated him more as a weeb or as a tranny?
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>>583293321
obvious samefagging is obvious
kys, pedophile janny
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>>583293460
The other day I saw him trying to get at a dude in the house beside the inn and he was glitching
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>>583293404
so if we're stuck at 60.. that graph in 10 years will look like stacked tetris screen with a big pile on the right?
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>>583293395

How do you know what reddit spacing is if you don't browse reddit yourself? :)
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>>583293482
thats the already explored one you off the coast, and they got to test at blizzcon right
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>>583293404
Krok dok is actually 40-45, blizzard made a typo
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-- Official Classes That I Will Bring To My Dungeon As A Tank List --

>Mage
Guaranteed entry. Welcome aboard Mr. Wizard!
>Warlock
There's always a spot for you. Pull up a chair and prepare to have fun!
>Priest
I will always welcome the ultimate healer to my party. Thanks for coming!
>Paladin
fuck off
>Druid
Depends. Boomkins are welcome provided that I know them or of their reputation and they will not be rolling on my gear for their """"""""Feral""""""""" offset. Otherwise, you are not welcome in my group.
>Rogue
fuck off
>Shaman
Same for Druid. Elemental is welcome, other specs? Go kick rocks
>Hunter
I don't condone melee hunters, let alone range ones that need on everything like a loot vacuum. You're out in the cold on this one buddy
>Warrior
King. Let's be real, you're the man, BUT, I'm tanking this one. I suggest you make your own group which you should be able to do. No hard feelings brother
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Nice, the single button assist thread is getting traction! Gooner bros, we’re gonna be able to play one handed!
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>>583292468
all of us would though
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>>583293004
>Dwarves have been able to be shamans since 2009
cata came out in 2010 though
>they've been a thing for longer than WoW's been out.
not playable in vanilla, it's new in forever just like it was new in cata
>And same as in vanilla it's also not accessible to the Alliance
it is accessible to the alliance
you can just go there right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3l6YL0b-dE


why are you in this thread if you care so little about forever that you don't know one of its main advertised features?
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>>583293404
>dire maul wings listed as original dungeons
based time to tribute run
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>>583293404
Did they lower the levels of everything in Sunken Temple in BC? I remember it being lower 40s
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we really took the days of playing WoW without layering for granite. this shit is genuinely impossible to get immersed in.
one moment it's raining and sovl while I'm killing mobs with my group, then i leave the group and suddenly it's sunny and everyone i was just playing with is gone. what the fuck.
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>>583293515
you can hide weebism for decades
you can't hide a bleeding anus for too long
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>>583287657
we're going to get slightly retouched retail races and you're going to like it
broken draenei (so like, draenei but slightly greener and with scarring and shit)
high elves (blood elves with blue eyes instead of green, wow!)
goblins and worgens literally 1:1 with retail

i sincerely doubt we'll get anything that would require them to make a new model and rig, i would be VERY surprised if we did
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Can decide between Rogue or Warrior.
I feel like I'm too Chad to make it to endgame. But now it's the like the journey is bearable. I could be tuff all around
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>>583293558
no, they will keep releasing leveling dungeons, like turtle wow did, and you'll make a new alt to try them out :)
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>>583293563
once you get older you'll realize you come in contact with many things you don't actively participate in or have an account on, but still have impacts on the world around you and maybe even your life or hobbies
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>>583293482
stv

>>583293683
the last boss in og vanilla is a lvl 55 dragon
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>>583293748

I ask again, how do you know what reddit spacing is if you don't browse reddit?
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>>583293703
when was the last time retail got a new rig? vulpera?
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>>583293104
>megadungeons are so shit you have to boost people or get boosted if you wanna do it
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>>583293617
Good list. From what I've seen most do the same
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>Red panderan as an allied race in Forever confirmed

lets fucking gooooo
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>>583293701
just toggle on your tiktok brain, bro
it's that easy, embrace the doomscroll
are you really saying your adhd-less
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>>583293962
lol, vulpera are just reskinned goblins.
i think the last new rig was genuinely kultirans, back in BFA
even dracthyr are just worgen females with their animations adjusted a bit
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>>583293701
weather not being persistent across layers is ridiculous
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>>583293617
based
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>>583294030
I will never understand panda enjoyers
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>>583294105
what the fuck was the idea with kul tirans, anyway?
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>>583294105
KT males are peak kino, one of the few things I miss from retail
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I will never take alliance fans seriously because it’s their nagging that lead to some real dogshit like Void elves and fucking “””lightforged””” who make the sky elves look ingenious by comparison.
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>>583294030
Tell me about the Pandaren. Why are they obsessed with human males?
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>>583293701
fpbp
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>>583293617
why not resto shaman?
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>>583294105
>lol, vulpera are just reskinned goblins.
yeah i figured but it was all i could think of
are kul tirans not using the human rig? aren't they literally just humans who like boats a lot?

i wonder what the reason for this is, it's not like blizzard isn't pumping out tons of new assets all the time anyway
i know that a playable race is a lot more work than a monster but we got two new races with completely different animations just a few years after WoW originally launched, then two more a few years later, then one more, and then NOTHING
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>>583293932
I already explained it, you lack reading comprehension, probably because you're in rage fueled seethe from my previous posts right now, take a break, stretch, use the bathroom, maybe take a shower, get a bite to eat and then go take a walk
maybe refrain from going outside if you're a tranny though
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>>583293617
if it wears cloth its welcome (except shadow priest)
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>>583294239
Which streamer are you donating to
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>>583294213
It's not my fault, I always only asked for redeemed forsaken as alliance race. That's all I cared for.
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>>583294327

You're not gonna tell us how you know what reddit spacing is even though supposedly you don't browse reddit?
Curious.
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>>583294241
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>>583293058
I have a lot of biased knowledge about the Blood Elves that I have to set aside due to the visual similarities, but detaching from that, the base concept -mostly- works for me.

Air Elementals lifting an island/island chain up into the Skyfall kinda 50/50's because an island of Air Elementals that are specifically NOT aligned with Al'Akir and also are not sealed away in the Elemental Plane, but could take an island of fleeing elves back -into- the Skyfall demands some give. Past that, though, the Shendorei having just been a people living up in Skyfall in coexistence with Air Elementals is fine enough. The Skyborne blatantly not being super "We can resolve anything by talking it out and we should always form councils so everybody has equal voice" garbage and having a healthy degree of ruthlessness and feralness helps a lot.

Their heavy factionalism resulting in them splitting and each organization heading to join the Horde / Alliance is narratively sensible on paper, because these are a very isolated people who, much like the Night Elves -should- have been pre-WoW, lack much of the Alliance's previous experiences and negative history with the Orcs/Trolls, and the concept of The Horde in general.

The execution is lacking, though, which I submitted as feedback. Z-Isle doesn't have enough time / content to properly communicate exactly how much the Skyborne have been forced into 1 of the 3 factions (Windshapers / High Order / Cult of Al'Akesh) due to the loss of their other skylands in order to survive. I think the very first quests before you go to the first town need to be less "look at this new zone" and have a much more desperate, "We need to leave our home and organize at Town before the ground beneath our feet crumbles away" tone to it.

The concept of the Skyborne being forced to leave isolation and rejoin Azeroth, like the Kaldorei, works, but Blizz needs to execute it a little clearer.
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>>583294341
why not shadow priest...
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>hunter pulls aggro
>runs away from me like a fucking retard
>has feign death
>never presses it
DO NOT INVITE HUNTERS TO YOUR PARTIES
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>>583293709
New rogue seems pretty faceroll and lost all its rpg elements. Im not sure how fun it’s going to be when you can’t die and you kill so fast you almost never need to regen hp. Yeah this new leveling experience is shaping up to be another fail like retail leveling. Classic hardcore ssf should be like the baseline power level or even less. You should be killing like 1 mob and feeling like it was hard. And it should take gear to accomplish that. This new version is quickly going to be just a run from A to B and collect your xp rewards. It’s so fucking boring and retarded I can’t wait to hate it. At least classic leveling is fun on a fresh realm or on hardcore. This won’t even be slightly enjoyable, it’s wayyyyyy too easy dps is wayyyyy too high and hp values are also way too high.
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>>583294213
this all started when horde got blood elves to bait chinks into playing wow
obviously people will ask for high elves since they are a core alliance race in W2 / W3
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>>583294143
I will never understand your attraction to depictions of sexualized children, but here we are
You constantly spamming child porn in here, pedophile janny
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Why are retoilets even trying to force their in forever? They are going to fuck off the moment a new content patch comes out in retail anyway.

They just seem hell bent on making sure all of warcraft is gay and retarded for some reason.
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>>583294167
I think they're supposed to be swarthy sailors who drink a gallon of fish oil and eat an entire block of cheese every day, but the modellers decided this meant huge brick shithouse men and obese women

>>583294314
They are not, they have a very different model from Stormwind humans
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>>583294536
It's called Retail Minus for a reason ...
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>>583293716
well ye, thats what i meant.. slop example, surely high level will eventually outweight leveling because it probably will have dungeons tied to new tiers with horizontal progression
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>>583294219
Human males are the k-pop idols of Azeroth to Pandaren woman. They have so little hair!
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>>583294581
They will use this rig to make forever ogres, mark my words
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>>583286054
a priest can probably dispell all of this shit
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>>583294581
no, it was because this was made during the last decade and the culture was fat is healthy and blizzard was and still is a hamfisted politically correct company, so that's why you got fat humans, which is just stupid as fuck
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>>583294581
>They are not, they have a very different model from Stormwind humans
aren't all the other BfA allied races reskins of existing races?
how odd that they'd use the entire new rig budget for the next 10 years on "power lifter humans"
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>>583294445
deals 100 damage but the threat is like he dealt 1000 damage
no aoe or anything useful really and also makes healer priests not want to join
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>retail players are doing everything in their power to turn forever into another retail
I really, really hope Blizzard doesn't listen to these inbred niggers.
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blizzoyim LOVE when the corpo approved streamer openly cheats and makes the game worse for everyone else
they LOVE being the underclass for the streamer elite
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>>583294526
This has to be AI
He's been going all day long LOL

Turning my tripcode off
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CSI Barrens

Looks like SHE !........ was .............. to HOT to handle......
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>>583294143
i played a panda basically since they released on retail
when they came out they were easily the most highly detailed, expressive race in the game and there was a whole class more or less designed for them specifically

Is it so hard to imagine that someone just thinks they look good?
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>>583294797
Yes
Kul Tirans are the exception
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>>583294869
they have been outright deconfirming some of the main requests like shared tagging
it's clear that the forever team has a particular vision in mind and is very aware of the fact that excessive QOL removed all the sovl from retail
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>>583291703
>but im NOT a cuck though
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>>583294973
I would be cool with an SD model
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>>583294869
the beta launched with a neutral blue tranny elf race, the retail devs are who's making forever, that just straight out contradicted what that hook nosed jewess said on the blizzcon stage about this being classic + and contradicts what so many others said about it staying true to vanilla
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>>583294869
They will listen to us, we are legion, we will get every retail change added into forever, you will enjoy weekly balance changes that flip the meta!!
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>>583286054
and all of the balance issues with priest could be solved so easily by just taking wands away from them and introducing some MP gimmick similar to how Mage has evocate, mana gem, etc, and warlock can life tap.
I'm getting so tired of playing a wand with heals and shields attached to it. This single aspect of the class sabotages it so fucking bad.
If they don't do anything about wandbot priest, I really hope they introduce SoD Mage Healer so I can migrate to a new healing class since Druid and Shaman are gay as fuck to heal on.
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>>583294869
>retail ui
>retail cheevos
>retail transmog
>retail classes
>retail spells
>retail dungeon finder
>retail devs
>retail graphics
>retail races
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>>583294797
yes, literally all the others are simple reskins, so it's bizarre that KTs are the sole exception
when nightborne released people complained that there was barely any meaningful difference between them and night elves, which blizzard responded to by... changing their idle stance and making their tattoos more apparent

i felt they should have their own casting animations but that would have required actual work so oh well
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Bros will you let me join your guild if I suck but I'm racist
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>>583294167

Giving alliance nothing but garbage we didn't ask for while the Horde gets everything they want.
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>>583293709
nobody is going to invite a rogue into a dungeon and you cant tank so unless you got friends to play with you are going to have a bad time
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>Faggot put "troon" in the OP so my filter hid the new thread and I never noticed until I clicked show stubs on the catalogue
Kill yourself. You've been genetically blacklisted.

Also add Goblins to Forever. I'm no longer asking.
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>>583294929
spic pedophile janny
going back to spamming it's micro dick repulsive shit images, what's the difference
anything gross that gets posted is just you signaling and tripfagging anyway
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>>583294996
I really hope you're right. Seeing that one blizzard dev basically say (in a very nice way) "lol get fucked retail faggots I'm doing it this way, idc what you think" was really reassuring. I just hope that's the majority opinion over at Blizzard.
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>>583295245
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>>583295086
there is this image supposedly from when they were in a beta of the game in 2003
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How much Forevercells will seethe when they add flying again for us retail chads?
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>>583295202
depends, what is your opinion on jews and israel
and what class do you play?
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>>583295245
>filtering troon
kek troon btfo by op
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>>583295361
Not as much as when they add CHADaren
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>>583295323
>"if only you knew what I have seen, anon. My people..."
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This is blizzard last and final warning before I get so fucking angry that I start sending messages online. Reduce the average dps by 60%. Reduce the stam gained per lvl by 50%. Reduce the stam gained from items by 80%. Sap breaks stealth. Rage generates based on damage. Threat isn’t gaurenteed just because the tank is hitting the target with 1 attack. Bandages will heal twice as fast as food. You need to heal after every mob. If they don’t do this im gonna go fucking mental dog you don’t wanna see my crazy twisted poo poo
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>>583295421
>what is your opinion on jews and israel
they're based
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>>583295245
fpbp
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>>583295202
you can heal in the second alt raid and act as a filter against snowflakes trying to join the guild
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>>583295245
goblins are one of the races that seem most likely, they're such an obvious fit, especially if they ever actually add tinker
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>>583295361
Forever belongs to Retail Chads! We will use it as a vessel to create the perfect wow, the best of both worlds! Much like the J’lor, we will recreate WoW in our perfect image!!!
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>>583295092
or you could just admit that youre wrong and retail sucks balls. Even Blizzard has realized that its true.
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>>583295421
I hate jews and I hate israel and I play warrior but I'm willing to play a healer cuck pally or shaman and pvp on the side.
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>>583295361
I hope they'll add flying. It was so cool the first time I could fly.
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>>583295126
or just buff the wand aspect, like give them wand skills or something else.
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>>583295583
welcome aboard
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>>583295173
>>583294976
what about the haranir? are they just bat elves?
i wonder if the extreme aversion to new rigs has something to do with the way armor works internally, like maybe a new rig needs a ton of work done on it to make armor connect properly?
i know FFXIV still has problems with headgear rendering on vierra and hrothgar
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how dead is /wowg/ right now if the pandafaggot is here spamming it's shit for attention
it will never occur to a faggot like that, but people don't want to play with shit like that in their game and it's one of the main reasons retail wow is dead, just like a parasite it has switched hosts and continues on it's way without a thought
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I had a nice dream where they announced that skelves were being removed and they did a Japanese style apology where they were kneeling on the floor, and then the trans suicide rates went up by 10% as a result
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>>583295572
you already did that and its why retail is so bad. Years of every retard demanding specific changes will just turn into retail again.
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The original purpose of potions was indeed to provide an oh shit button while leveling. With one caveat, if you were alchemist or would be purchasing from an alchemist, you’d skip about 90% of your eating. And you’d just chug a potion every cooldown. This more or less got scrapped for retail lite where you just chain pull and never stop and you just kill everything on the screen in one button and collect your mega loot drop which is worthless to sell because everyone’s already rolling around with 5 times the dps and 25 times the health the game is suppose to be.
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>>583295727
i don't understand this meme that trannies are related to skyborne in any way
trannies play humans and undead
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>>583295532
>anon asks for the worst game you could imagine
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>>583295739
thats where youre wrong! retails gameplay is awesome its the story!!
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>>583295669
haranir are night elves with a billion toggleable things on top of them
if you turn all that shit off its obviously just a slightly switched around night elf model
all their animations are night elf ones, as well

i think they look fuckin awful personally and even back when i was playing midnight you almost never saw anyone playing one
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>>583295669
They use the night elf rig yeah. Different idle but same animations
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>>583295727
The best post in the last 15 days
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>>583295727
I support this dream. Though +10% is still not enough.
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>>583295314
I'm not trans I just got tired of every second post I read 5 years ago containing "troon" so I filtered it.
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>>583295793
The retail variant sounds better. We want this one.
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be honest. no lying
how many of you are retoilets
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>>583295683
It's in full despair mode just like the retail devtroonies.
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>>583295807
trannies play anything i don't like
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>>583295545
>monkey paw curls
Gazlowe and his forces have fully thrown in with the Horde, locking down Ratchet and denying Alliance forces access to their docks. Meanwhile, with Westfall pacified and their financials resecured, Stormwind has officially obtained an alliance with Baron Revilgaz and the Blackwater Raiders! Booty Bay now flies flags of Alliance blue beneath Revilgaz's own, and as such, Horde ships are no longer received into the Bay.

Choose your goblin's path today, for $30!"
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every class being buffed without adjusting mobs is going to result in a boring, trivial leveling experience. I hope some streamer with clout will voice this concern since thats the only way it'll be addressed.
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>>583286054
>viper stings
>runs away
>viper stings again
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>>583295807
Ok well let us know when you understand
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>>583289868
my
eyes
are
open
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>>583295926
that's still a problem
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why do chuds play a game thats had gay npcs 10 years before woke 1.0
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>>583295971
Played Vanilla
I haven't played retail since BfA (which I hated).
Have not played classic.
Am I a retoilet?
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>>583286194
pvp because thats where the good players are
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>>583295645
That's better than nothing, but I feel like giving a free ranged damage option that hits even remotely decent to a healer is just a bad idea in a game like this given how ridiculously strong their sustain is. Also, a wand just does not aesthetically fit a "holy priest" or even a shadow/unholy priest at all, but that's a bit more subjective.
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>>583295809
They can make this an actual RPG where 1-60 is its own challenge mode. We’ve been proven time and time again, raids and pvp at max level aren’t that interesting. It’s just another flavor of the content. Like honestly I’d rather level through bgs and dungeons like on retail, than do this retarded MSQ style run A to B with zero challenge and collect your worthless reward. There’s going to be zero challenge dude literally it’s free without ever experiencing any type of failure. At least dungeons and pvp have challenge, you technically can push your group to its limit by pulling more. The 1-60 leveling grinds going to be so shit dude trust me it’s complete shit and you’ll be scraping your balls along the glass floor just to avoid doing it. You’ll be buying carries again from black market carrying services because it’s actually that bad when there’s no punishment for overpulling or going to the wrong place or not gearing correctly or taking the wrong talents those are what makes it an RPG
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>>583296102
why do you keep living when there are chuds all around you
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>>583295649
What's the guild
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>>583293701
They already said they're working on persistent weather layering
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>>583296102
>said "gay npc" argument consists of her doing 3 emotes at another npc
you remind me of yuritroons on /a/ who think everything is yuri
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>>583292110
>>583292468
>WARNING
Barny is about to get filtered by the new dungeon
https://www.twitch.tv/barny
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>>583289125
Its optional, and you can't give yourself any appearance you didn't actually earn in some way, so it isn't like people are trying to make their characters look like something they aren't
HOWEVER
If they implement that unrestricted transmog thats coming to retail, where you can transmog any gear on any character so long as you've collected it, then I think that is way too far
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>>583296297
everything is yuri
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>>583295865
>>583295842
this is insanely lazy especially since they're supposed to be proto-trolls
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>>583296012
I mean I'd pay for it, but I doubt they'd do it like that because goblins are a pretty niche race on retail, similar to gnomes
They'll either come free with an update at some point or they'll sell them in a package with the new exclusive Tinker class, gnome and goblin only
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>>583296102

Dykes are not a real sexuality.
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I wanted to play Alliance but I don't want to be on the faggot streamer faction.
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Hunter is just so fun, man. Especially going out and getting rare pets with cool abilities. Its all so fucking fun. And holy moly the damage. What a class.
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dont know why these nigger devs are so obsessed with making shockadin a thing
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Are the fucking servers fixed? I couldn't whisper or invite anyone
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>>583296409
Thats okay, the Horde is the heccin wholesome minority faction!
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>>583289125
as long as they ignore ALL requests to impelment unrestricted transmog i don't care
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>>583296315
reroll healer, turn on your cam and show girldick Barney
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>>583296102
quit before this infected the game, this has nothing to do with warcraft
commit suicide asap
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Yall think Alchemy is good or should I stick with one of the armor professions?
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>>583296409
every single top 10 streamer currently online on twitch is playing the noshoe faction, what the fuck are you on about
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>>583296216
Horrible ideas anon
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>>583295926
>hates the word troon
>posts "cute" art as a way to avatarfag
yeah, you're not a troon....yet.
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>>583296360
yes allied races are lazy as fuck and for the mostpart terrible additions to the game, they 100% just gave the fuck up on new races after pandas, it's like the rigging team could no longer be bothered
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>>583296394
What was Blizzard thinking launching Forever without Goblins, they could have given us HD Goblins to start and gave us SD later
Absolutely insane
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>>583296012
i dont give a shit i would pay 60€ for goblins. just release them in the next months. and you anons better make some threads everywhere official, so they see we want gobbos.
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>>583296409
All the relevant streamers are going horde lil gulp
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>>583295951
The main selling point of classic is that it has stronger mobs and more punishment for failure. They stopped making games like this because the leveling experience was impossible to reproduce through expansion content which was just a continuation of the game you’d already completed.
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>>583295245
>>583295926

Are you a porn addict becuase you're tr*ns or you're tr*ns because you're a porn addict?
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>>583289573
>>583289691
>>583289762
>>583289763
>>583289828
lmao at cheaters and exploiters being so unable to control themselves that they tip all their cards in beta. Giving blizz both reason to pre emptively ban them for 3 months before launch AND giving them a paybook of what to watch for from others.
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>>583296617
>its against the rules to go to a high level area and open a chest
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I just got distracted off of Freewind Post
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>>583296586
see you can't help but tripfag
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>>583296394
I also don't really think they'd split them like that, but the idea of "Which goblin faction would join up?" naturally rolled Gazlowe, so I figured what would happen if Ratchet did stop being neutral and went from there with Booty Bay.

Re: Gnomes, my biggest issue there is, aside from ACTUALLY reclaiming Gnomeregan (the true Excalibur, the everdistant utopia mankind dreams of), what gnome-based update could the devs really come up with?
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vros...
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>>583296527
void elves are the only succesful allied race (ie got into top 10 most played races)
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class for this feel?
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>>583296521
Lol it’s not fucking fun to rush a quest where you don’t have any skill involved. Which is the entire point of this. There’s not even any planning you just buy all the shit for your toon and you’re basically in full naxx shit beating down on retard tier content. It’s a shit game. Hardcore is also too easy, id appreciate some middle ground where the challenge of hardcore is kept without the trial and error style punishment being so severe. We’ve learned from dark souls that trial and error is kind of a shit gameplay mode. Dont ask me ask the dark souls gen what they think about trial and error being a core design choice.
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>>583296703
If the only way your at-most-level-30 ass could safely open a high enough chest is cheating to fly underneath the terrain, then yes, it is.
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is dwarf rogue not good?
I feel like if you can utilize combat armor pen mace spec it's on par to better than other races depending on if you're fighting beasts or not, and stoneform gives you opportunities to vanish through bleeds/poisons that cloak wouldn't save you from
pvp trinket gives an out for stuns now too, am I coping or is it not bad? eureka doesn't impress me but I could go human too I suppose
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>>583296791
not enough sovlfog
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>>583296875
nightelf
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>>583296791
Favstian
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>>583296875
Female Human Arcane Mage
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How big of a stink do we have to raise to get Blizzard tonpull the plug on Skytroons?
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>>583296093
I am aware.

>>583296526
>>583296613
You play male Human Warrior or Paladin. Don't presume the ability to speak to me.
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Why did they default to blue elves, when catgirls would have been much better received, and more original?

If they're trying to make max $$, then they must know that catgirls are always hyper popular (EG ffxiv)
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>>583296813
Nightborne should be at the top of that list. I believe your numbers are wrong, anon. Sorry but your graph is invalid now.
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>>583296791
dwarf shaman, the loneliest existence in all of gaming
/salute
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>>583296992
You gotta do it on reddit where they'll actually see it
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>>583296598
>the leveling experience was impossible to reproduce through expansion content which was just a continuation of the game you’d already completed.
it's a shame they decided to go down this road because the only possible direction this can lead is paid level boosts and/or trivialized leveling content
but blizzard couldn't have predicted that in 2005
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>>583296882
No I don't want this game to be difficult. Sounds not fun at all.
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>>583296875
paly if you wanna be like carl
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Where should I put my talents when leveling a warrior 10-30? Fury?
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>>583296813
>there's more void elves than draenei, undead or trolls
lmao, what the fuck is wrong with this playerbase
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>>583296791
vrvs... thv fvvstvvn spvrvt vs cvllvng...
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>>583297016

But can you answer the question please?
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>>583297016
>you play a human warrior or pally
wrong
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>>583293617
Kek literally me but instead i do it with every Olympus cuck. Been kicking every one that tried to sneak into my parties. Sorry, if i tank you sit out.
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>>583297054
>I believe
What you believe and what is factual do not correlate

>>583297151
Alliance want High Elves. They have stated this for twenty fucking years.
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>>583296875
why does japan have lesbian train cars
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>>583296992
I think if you douse yourself in gasoline and light yourself on fire outside their HQ they will have no choice but to remove Skyborne from the game and refund everyone who bought them.
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>>583293321
>>583293392
what's the lore here? is this a site drawfag?
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>>583297054
no one plays the scuffed noshoe version of night elves
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>>583289868
>It just feels like an auto attack class with shitty spells.

That's every melee class.
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>>583296943
The ultimate answer to each and every one of these "is X race-class good?" is and will forever be: 90% of your hypothetical results will be a product of your actual gameplay performance, with your racials meaningfully having a sub-5% impact from fight to fight.

Play what you can look at and go "Yeah, I'm gonna enjoy being this character," and then learn your class piece by piece as you level, and eventually be the skilled, experienced, cool Dwarf Rogue that you hoped to see when you were level 1, bro.
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>>583296992
If you really want to be autistic about this, at least set realistic goals.
They're not going to remove them. There is no way they throw out all that work. Instead, sperg out to try to force SD models on the Skyborne themselves, all their assets, and all creatures/assets in Zephras Isle, and, ideally, force a rewrite of their starting zone. Their actual basic lore is fine and fits decently enough into WoW Classic; a split-off of high elves or some shit that fled and started relying on air elementals. Fine. The starting zone just has dogshit writing that feels very retail and needs to be redone.
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I'm one of the 5 people that like Nightborne
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Which is less cucked? Shaman or Pally?
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>>583297150
prot warrior
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>>583296813
>blood elves but alliance (i.e. high elves) were successful
yeah i can see why
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I like Nightborne but their legs are too skinny. It makes it very difficult to play a non-dress class as one.
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>>583297330
both are fairly uncucked, though elemental is looking to be cucked. So, Pally.
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niggas be like "oh I'm going to be an orc for the 1% crit on axe" to then never bring food buff in raid
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>Every suggestion is bring [spell from retail]
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>>583297151
void elves are lvdokino actually
especially the way they piss of blood elf faggots (the most radical FOR LE HORDE type of people)
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>>583297240
its ai you silly billy
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>>583297041
Have faith and wait for the Uldum content update, anon, and the catgirls it will surely bring. They're even connected to Al'Akir, so how could they not be guaranteed?!
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>>583297330
on alliance shaman in any spec will get to raid because there will be so few of you it doesnt matter what meme spec you do because you have windfury
then again you exist to press windfury totem so maybe paladin is less cucked
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/ourguy/ alex is getting 5-10k views on every video

is he actually gonna keep a level head and make it this time?
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>>583297463
>uldum
>catgirls
i didn't play cata, please redpill me on this and also tell me if they'll have unique rigs or just recycle elf rigs again
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>chests now spawn with a semi elite mob guarding them
>that mob drops the key to that chest

fixed
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Tom Ellis has been quietly executed—professionally speaking. Confirmed. My sources are solid. There will be no press release, no statement, nothing. They’re just going to let the noise starve itself to death. A silent vanishing. Iron-fisted clampdowns on employee social media meltdowns are already live. The survivors just got emergency PR brainwashing. Blizzard is terrified of this launch getting torched. The chuds scored the win.
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>>583297412
and stun resist and 10% ap/sp and lmao magic res and curse/bane removal
the average orc can keyboard mash and accidentally press better cooldowns than most races have even 1 of
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>>583297416
Yeah, not everything in retail is bad, andy.
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>"Heh, I love PvP servers, for tough PvP guys like me!"
>Low ratings on retail
>Only PvP's when he has a level or obvious gear advantage
>is against rating systems in WoW:F after getting BTFO for two decades on ranked in retail

I'm not sure what the point of PvP servers are in this game, when the devs are clearly against PvP. They do not intend in having any PvP balance. They are not adding an actual rated system, just a grindfest retail pseudo-honor system where its just time investment for retards.
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>>583297497
who?
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>>583297642
Chest of Fallen Heroes...
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>>583297652
you post this every day and every day we ask why you think anyone still cares about tom ellis
the new badboy is ziqo
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>>583297460
damn, AI is getting so good it also started imitating artists' laziness
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>>583297713
you thnk people who will play this have played retail in 10+ years?
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What are the odds they bring SoD healer Mage spec over to Forever, bros? I just want a new healer to play...
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>>583297227
as I say it every time this comes up, "high elves" (that is, elves from quel'thalas, thalassian elves) have existed in the game for 20 years now, as blood elves
they are physiologically the same race with the same background and same culture, and the distinction between high and blood elf really no longer exists in retail because kael'thas has been dead for a long time and the sunwell has been back for a long time
the only remaining gripe people have is autism and not wanting to play horde

i will say it feels like blizzard spitting directly in the face of people who want them by not putting them in forever though, fucking lmao
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The only good pvp is BGs - and even then only epic BGs because this is an MMO so if it doesn't have a large player count it sucks
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>>583297713
70% of the population plays PvP servers. It's always been this way.
There are more raiders per capita on PvP realms.
>begging for justification of your babby gamemode
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Ok I'm level 30, how do I join a battleground?
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>>583297713
>>Only PvP's when he has a level or obvious gear advantage
i noticed a lot of complaining about this all through the beta and i can only assume it's competitive-brained zoomers who don't understand the intended dynamic of world PVP is NOT to have fair fights but rather to have a dangerous world
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>>583297230
desire to be molested but not by creepy dude
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They added a lvl 30 area north of Mulgore connected to Desolace with 5 easy quests all linked to the same small spider spot, free xp for horde
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Goblins, Earthen, Haranir and High mountain Taurens are the best classes because of extraction/gold discount bonuses.
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What is the most BWC class spec combo bros...
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>>583297834
>>583297460
forgot to post said laziness
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>>583297853
Hopefully never
SoDomy was trash
If you want to do meme "dps as healer" shit go to retail and be a Disctroon
It is slightly more respectable than being a SoDomite
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>>583297879
But there are High Elves (that is, elves of quel'thalas) that are not classified as Blood Elves exist in the game currently.

Blizzard just doesn't let you play one. They even made it so that the Alliance version are STILL just Horde Blood Elves that swapped factions.
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>SD models
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>>583297969
your game looks like its an ai image
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>disney models
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>>583298025
going to cutely camp you relentlessly in forever as disc priest until you realize that healers in general are designed in a retarded way and stop being a gatekeeping era nigger :3
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>>583297879
high elves are coming in 6-18 months
this was literally already confirmed and the endless whining about it is boring
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>>583297989
*meant races (obviously)
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>>583297838
I think people who want no rated PvP in Forever, have never been able to obtain a high rating at any point in retail, not just the last ten years.

>>583297940
Is rated PvP a baby game mode? I will roll on a PvP server on release. What I am saying, is that you cannot claim to be for PvP when your idea of it, is just being a pussy making up for getting eternally BTFO in actual pvp.

>>583297950
So then if its no big deal and you aren't just living out your bitchmade fantasy by ganking lowbies, you're okay with rated pvp in game for people that actually enjoy PvP?
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>>583297041
here's the catgirl you ordered

that'll be $70 to unlock
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Rate my fem orc muscle mommy
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>>583298150
they can sell blood elf and high elf pack to all the barbie doll players for 50 USD
pretty based move if you ask me
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>>583297879
This wouldn't be an issue if Blizzard didn't keep making High Elf NPCs and make content differentiating High Elves from Blood Elves. Ever since Wrath when Rhonin's wife created the Silver Covenant of anti-BElf High Elves.
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>when you die, you lose all your xp from that level and also respawn in your capital cities spirit resurrection stone
>gold which wasn’t stored in your bank is also deleted
>full gear makes you about as strong as currently using no items and being totally naked with only the starting weapon
>gdkps aren’t against the rules anymore, but level boosting is removed
>questing hubs are redesigned to be dangerous. Mobs have tons of hard spells and one shot mechanics. They stun, root and fear. They call their friends for help. They have powerful debilitating effects like reducing your dps. The xp reward from the quest is already scaled enough to support this type of mechanic.
>base spell damage is reduced by 55%, meleeing becomes a viable strategy
>new class called novice. It can learn any spell from any class through talent trees, but does not have any buffs or summoning/portal shit.
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>>583298194
i have no opinion on rated PVP as long as it's set up in a way that doesn't just take all the dedicated PVPers out of the world forever
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>>583298218
2/10
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>>583298218
every femorc uses this hairstyle including myself
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>>583298198
I would pay $500 for this not gonna lie.
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>>583298218
6/10
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>>583298194
>vanilla pvp without consumables
>if rated pvp allowed consumers then it becomes p2w
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>>583298084
I'm just exploring World Of Warcraft Forever
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>>583298271
>game dies before beta ends
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Is there going to be arenas or just bgs?
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>>583297562
Cata's Uldum had a race of centaur-rig Titan Keeper-servant-race-turned-from-stone-to-flesh egyptian cat-head-dudes that existed SOLELY for Uldum+Uldum's dungeons, and has no meaningful use ever again. With the opportunity to release ForeverNilla Uldum as content, the opportunity to make Tol'vir or some mutation of them using the Troll Raid transformation catman models also arises.

Bitter truth: I was meme'ing on you, anon, and preying upon your earnest desires for catgirls, but the potential -is- there, waiting. If you dare to believe in Blizzard.
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>>583298150
there's no way this lasts that long with the decisions they are making, every other day they make some nonsensical decisions that shows they have no idea what they're doing
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Oh man this $100k PvP tourney is going to be so cool, can't wait to see what people come up with a-- oh wait it's just streamers, influencers, and poopsockers that has been twinked out to the nth degree by their army of lapdogs and abusing bugs and exploits to win
why is this a thing again?
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>>583298235
>>583298026
at this point the silver covenant is like a weird splinter faction that is mad about an old gripe with a dead prince and a demonic power siphoning practice that has been in the rear-view mirror since the end of TBC

i get that there's cognitive dissonance about it on retail though so whatever, hopefully when we finally get them in forever people can shut the fuck up about it
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>>583298495
>100k tournament
>stop preparing!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>583298495
first time?
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>>583298389
thousand needles is full of water?!?!?!?!
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>>583298495
>put $100k on the line
>act surprised when people do anything to win
There is no way to ban streamer handouts without Blizzard implementing an official solo self-found mode because streamers could just get handouts off-stream.
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>>583298389
Soul
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>>583298218
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>>583298495
Yeah games so shit they just stand around on some guys stream instead of playing it. And conversations so dry they’re literally putting dollars on the table and gambling on gladiators. Shit game is DOA
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>Theres a lvl 45 bow available to hunters in the beta
>It has no lvl requirement

Lmao, this tourny is gonna be a shitshow
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>>583298327
It’s objectively the best one. Fem orcs need to look like punk rock biker chicks, trying to emulate human or elf girls by giving them boring ass long hair makes them look awful
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>>583298301
If you want dedicated PvP'ers in world, this is already solved via an addon called Overlord. This needs to be incorporated not just into Forever, but retail.
But there is a limit to what it means to "take them out of the world" Consider, we already do this with raiders. Maybe have a raid lockout for rated BG content, its that simple. But there needs to be a way to establish a Hierarchy in PvP that isnt just "I have more time than you!" or plainly better gear advantage.

>>583298495
Now expand that to what "PvP" is going to be without ratings. Just twinks and poopsockers. There needs to be a way for people that play 30 minutes a day to take a heaping shit on guys that play 40 hours a week. You can already do this on retail.

WoW is not supposed to be an everquest/runescape niggerhell grindfest for losers.
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>goblins get added next year to forever probably
>OSRS announced the finale to the Goblin//Zanik quest line
Truly 2027 will be the age of the goblin.
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Is this true? Can shaman tank? I ain't watching that shit, but I always wanted shamans to be able to.
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>>583298639
jerking off to tifa is extremely trad you retard
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>>583298621
no, its the new zone, two thousand needles
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>>583298495
>blud realized he's just content for some shitskin on twitch
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>>583298389
sled
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>>583297330
Pally. No other class is as cucked as Shaman, their main role is to drop a windfury and then sit in the corner out of sight.
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>>583298763
Nope
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>>583298674
Hey the pedophile janny that namefags as Gardener is back who posts child porn to /b/
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i am... a hunter...
the class of the elite... too difficult for some...
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>>583298470
there we go
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>>583298526
The biggest problem is that Blizzard themselves keel entertaining the idea that High Elves and Blood Elves are wholly different races, down to biological differences with eye colors and fel magic having transformed blood elves into something different. They accidentally created an Aryan Elf with the High Elves in retail who disdain the Blood Elves due to their eye colors and keep a moral superiority over it
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>>583298471
they said 'forever' and I expect them to hold to that promise
progressive classic is pretty much dead because no one wants WoD, anniversary is pretty much dead until wrath comes out (and then it will die again a few months later)

there's really only retail and forever now, and forever is 100% going to become the main version of the game
so yeah I doubt they'll just give up on it
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look what they did to my wife's shorts
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>>583298714
>this is already solved via an addon called Overlord.
i don't know what that is or why you assume i know what that is
i am not a hardcore PVPer i just like the vibes on PVP servers
>Consider, we already do this with raiders.
yeah and i'd like to see efforts made to ensure that raiders still need to farm open world content sometimes (and world bosses are cool but i guess there are logistical and fairness issues with them, especially with layering)
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>>583298763
This youtuber is great, you can tank all dungeons for sure as long as you're prepared and not underleveled, for raids you're probably not going to be main tank but you could off tank some adds easily if needed, fire nova AoE threat is great, main issue is that your whole group needs to wait for you to drink water every pull
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>>583298639
funny meme i read all of it
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>>583298763
Right now in the beta, enhancement shaman can (with non braindead groups) tank dungeons fine so long as they're prepared to drink CONSTANTLY. This is the power of early game tanking basically being an armored dps capable of holding aggro or bursting down enemies enough that the healer can just focus on you.

35+ in the future? We'll have to see, but they don't have SoD's specific toolkit to mechanically function as a baseline tank as of this time.
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>>583298771
>jerking off to tifa is extremely trad you retard
ok...why does she look like a man taking massive amounts of steroids
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>>583298740
A fun fact about osrs is that they didn’t buff the early dps or hp levels for many years. Almost all the early game items were unchanged. All the content they added was mega end game shit that was unlocked after like 5000 hours. For a long time this was true, now they’ve “improved” the leveling process for many skills so that it’s done more quickly and more “fun”. Is it? Is it more fun? Do you want to do it faster, or do you want it to feel tight and perfectly balanced. Just like the original creators designed that way huh.
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>>583298928
>progressive classic is pretty much dead because no one wants WoD
it would be funny if they just skip WoD and go straight to legion
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>>583298930
for reference (1.12)
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>>583298928
they can keep supporting this forever but no one is going to keep playing this and when that happens...again
they already went down this road with retail
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>>583298930
Trannies took her short shorts from you btw
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>>583299029
Where do you live that men look like tifa
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>>583299029
>why does she look like a man taking massive amounts of steroids
if men looked like tifa everyone would be gay
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>>583296943
Who fucking cares? What will the extra 0.5% damage get you?
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>>583298495
>get paired against streamer with my inferior gear
>resist half his spells / evade half his attacks because lmao random
>he disqualified early
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>>583298930
Should have given her a Burka at this point. Pretty creepy for Blizzard workers to police women and their fashion sense.
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>>583298862
Honestly, I'd take it alongside the fist weapon transformation model for males, as a Shaman consideration. I dunno what the other faction would get, but I could see that being an Alliance or Horde shaman.
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>>583298930
>>583299112
lmao even in SD no shorts?
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>kill mob
>drink
>kill mob
>drink
you guys liked this shit?
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>>583298968
Any class except cloth can tank dungeons. Even a hunter pet can tank. You can literally solo the dungeon as any class. Look, this games been out for a long time. And, its flaws have become apparent. Its flaw is that classic was almost as perfect as a game can be. And that it left no room to improve upon. So that’s why they start adding gay centaurs because they’re just totally retarded faggots who have been shown up by a several decade old team of craftsmen.
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>>583298968
>>583298985
I'll stay hoping, thanks. Maybe we'll get Water Shield or something for mana troubles. Would be nice.
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>>583299221
I don't really know I just keep hearing dwarf is bad
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>>583298930
>>583299112
was this change made in classic or is it new to forever?
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>>583298639
>Where do you live that men look like tifa
every gold's gym
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>>583299340
uncles love it for some reason
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>>583299340
>>583299427
why are you such a thirsty boy?
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>>583299340
it is significantly preferable to "pull a dozen mobs, aoe them all down, take almost no damage, be in no danger at any point, and feel nothing because nothing matters"
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>>583299340
if you are drinking after every kill then you are using too much mana
this isn't retail and you don't have to keep your GCD rolling
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>>583299378
water shield is in the game, in the resto tree.
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>>583299356
>Look, this games been out for a long time
it's not out yet anon
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>>583299340
It’s more charming than the alternative which is “hahahhaaah let’s see if I can pull every mob on the entire screen and get zero loot because everyone else is doing that too and professions are worthless because it’s easy and the only value is in parsing well in a raid filled with people who you wouldn’t choose to be around without the tempting prospect of getting even higher parses”.
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>>583299340
>Shift
>Heal self
>Shift back
>Continue
Can't relate
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>>583299220
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>>583299553
I see. In that case... I dunno. I'll keep coping.
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>>583298495
Streamer guilds exist to attract fools who act both as free bodyguards in a pinch or "landscape" for their vids while the streamers get richer and rake all the rewards. The player is basically cattle lmao.
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necrolyte warlock healers
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>>583299617
what does this image have to do with tifa?
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>>583299607
>notice HP getting low
>cast Nature's Grasp
>enemy gets rooted
>step back and heal
>toss a Starfire then shift back into the fight renewed

Feels great every time.
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>>583299378
I tried water shield tanking at one point in my journey and it sucked, you get 2% of your mana per proc, not good. You can get 50% mana regen in combat with 8 points in resto tree, I'd say it can be worth it
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>>583299340
they also talked to each other and it didn't trigger an hours long mental breakdown if something they didn't like was said
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>>583299340
what class? you're supposed to be managing your mana and allow mana regen to kick in instead of just blasting everything of cd.
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Elemental Shaman or Arcane Mage?
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Who is more of a chud bro? Warlocks or mage?
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so this is warcraft
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>>583298639
I liked musclegirls before it was "cool".
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>>583299725
>what does this image have to do with tifa?
everything
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>>583299875
Arcane mage
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>>583299947
GEMMY GEM GEM
ALL POSTS BELOW ARE VANTABLACK COAL
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>>583299340
>Noooo!!! I need to be an unstoppable god immediately after installing. This is fucking bullshit!
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>>583299903
A... Are those heckin' god rays and fog?
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>>583299947
are you trying to come out as trans with this image or something? is that why you hate tifa? because she reminds me of the femininity you'll never attain?
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>>583299029
you are brain damaged.
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>>583299394
was in classic also I think, was done at the same time of the body type a/b change when they were trying to rehab their image from the cosby room breastmilk stuff
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>>583299740
>mob casts counter spell, then starts casting pyroblast
>you try to line of sight but you pull a stealth minion who was placed there for this exact reason. He cheap shots you into kidney shot
What’s the correct move here. You dodged pyroblast but now you’re at 15% hp and he’s running at you. You also got the rogues energy regenerating and you don’t know what other skills he has to spend it on.
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>>583299896
Warlocks
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>>583300095
>when they were trying to rehab their image from the cosby room breastmilk stuff
oh right I keep forgetting this happened
didn't half that stuff turn out to be literally lies made up by the state of california to extort more taxes or something?
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>>583298639
A woman wrote this
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is warlock bussin
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>>583300137
Die
Go back in knowing the mob's placements
Kill the stealthie first
Then engage the caster
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>>583298198

I specifically ordered worgen. I'm not paying for this and I'll be leaving a bad Yelp review.
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>>583300182
We'll never know because activision-blizzard settled to make it go away before the microsoft acquisition
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Skyborne have already tainted Forever
What was supposed to be a fresh new start has shown that we will not be free from retail slop and retail style OC races.
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>>583300051
>you are brain damaged.
you're baiting
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>>583300434
we don't talk to ourselves here
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>>583297761
What he do? I'll update pasta. I'm at least re-wording it.
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>>583299725
the guy is mentally ill
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>>583300278
>yelp

it's a catgirl, so leave a review on Nyeowp
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>>583300019
>are you trying to come out as trans with this image or something? is that why you hate tifa? because she reminds me of the femininity you'll never attain?
look at the shirt with tifa on it in the meme you are seething from, troonie
instead of projecting
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>>583300240
Theres no stealth there this time for some reason. You engage the caster and the stealth guy was waiting to stun you. The stealth mob was scripted to patrol after a successful kill. And that’s not all, he also had vanish in his toolkit that he casts when he gets low. Hopefully you dotted him up because he’s not leaving he’s actually eating in stealth back to full hp somehow.
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>>583298714
>There needs to be a way for people that play 30 minutes a day to take a heaping shit on guys that play 40 hours a week.
No.
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>>583300559
he received very obviously bought gold on stream, acknowledged it was definitely bought, and then didn't get banned right away and became the lightning rod for all ire about RMT in the community
have you been coming to this thread multiple times per day every day without reading ANY of the drama posts? you just come here to post your gay copypasta about stale drama?
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now that the dust has settled
can we get a new thread
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>It's supposed to be a new start
>NO NOT LIKE THAT!
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>>583300664
Bruh, I'd sooner believe Blizz fucked up pathing again and there was just a mob with a knife stuck under the terrain stabbing me from below than a zone mob having that sort of coding.
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>>583300532
that's been proven repeatedly false over the last fifteen days
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Who's the actual troon in this thread? I'm just observing.
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>>583300658
why do you keep posting self-portraits?
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new
>>583300867
>>583300867
>>583300867
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Did they really have to leave in conjured water disappearing when you log out?
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>10/20 mans in classic
sovlless sloppa desu
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there's something extremely mentally ill about ritual posting pics and videos of characters from a race not even in this version of the game for attention because your kind killed off the version of the game that character was in
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>>583300718
I tend to gloss over streamer stuff, but I've been reading about the changes to the game and I know that RMT was a big topic.
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>>583300857
be a better tranny and kill yourself
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>>583301073
why would i want to be a tranny? you're the one with the inverted penis here, anon
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>>583291935
He uses domination magic which is death magic, which is different from shadow magic.
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>>583301197
getting so upset you start projecting like this
i've definitely pissed you off before
complete mental shutdown into blubbering nonsense



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