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no progress anchor this thread we all deserve a good rest, no need to make some 'gresslets take it easy
proggy anchor
Guys, don... don't laugh... I bought Aesprite. Listen, it showed me a huge 40% discount! And I do not have to spend time with builds and stuff!
why shouldn't I just rip all the logic from a game and make a better version of it?
>>583536403Progress.That's this boss monster (Solemn King) done. Destroy the Solemn King to make the knights inactive. He doesn't fight back, but he doesn't have to.The get a nice kneeling animation and their sword turns off, not pictured in the webm for obvious reasons.Next up: player being able to pick up the sword and use it as a weapon.Same webm with sound: >>>/wsg/6247425
>>583536643>>>/wsg/6247430
Tired of progress give me degress, nogress or negress.
>>583536151Is it 'great', no, but 'for shit'?Really?I don't know, it's getting there.
>>583536760Pretty good bro, are you using google's model for the animations?
>>583536643I bought it 10 years ago. it was $5 or something.
>>583537053Descent came out before you were born so yes, can’t for shit.
>>583537423*7 years 8 months
>>583537814I... don't think you've ever played descent, because that's definitely not the example you should've given.
>>583537814claude could into terminal velocity in 10 mintutes
crosspost >>>/g/109992461
>>583538061That's pretty good.Though that reminds me that grok made up some bullshit wolf logo on some livery for a vehicle and GPT was like 'yo I can't do this, it's copyrighted' (it wasn't) I wonder what will be of the copyright meme in ten years' time.
AI did the same as ready to use game engines did for game devs
>>583538437Get hyped up before hitting the brick wall that people too stupid/lazy to learn to code are too stupid/lazy to make a good game?
>>583538437you're right, are you even gamedeving if you're not making your own engine?
>>583538437this. democratizing gamedev. it's what gaben would have wanted.
>>583536403Small proggy.Today I've been making some improvements to level generation, cleaning up some weird outputs to accommodate shuffle functionality. Now I'm able to shuffle rooms for extra randomization in runs.Also since I'm limited to only forest level I added support for level themes so it doesn't get stale, so far the only themes are Day Theme and Dusk Theme. I will add a Snow theme and Night Theme later.
why are all the slop devs also tranime devs
>>583536685>a better version of itEasier said than done. [existing game, but worse] is far more common than [existing game, but better].
>>583540667why are you a nodev
>>583540667>>583542238Please don't forget to attach a lust provoking image to your time wasting question.
>>583536760make the tells/windup before shooting more obvious or make the shot a slow projectile and not an instant beam
>>583540492I'm going to be honest because I really like your art, but you need gameplay to go with it, and I've never really seen any
>>583536957Regress
>>583536957degrease my pizza before I start devving
>>583540492>level generationgross
>>583542952>you need gameplay to go with it, and I've never really seen anyYou shoot. That's it.You don't need more than that.
level generation in a roguelike? who'd a thunk it?!
Mortan is basically gears of war imo.
>roguelikegross
It looks like I have to slow down and actually learn how to do things.
CLAUDE.I KNEEL.
>>583544153
I've decompiled 20 games already hahahagame devs, your days are numbered!
>>583543649not even a shooter fan (think they're fundamentally mechanically dull point and click games) but nigga what? They're obviously different. No wonder you fags can't make a good game. Can't even identify things correctly.
mortan is a nuns and guns like
I just watched a video of how you can use these AI's to basically grab mechanics from established games, and put them into your game that you're developing. Man that just ridiculously cuts down on game dev time. I feel like kind of a retard for still manually working on my mechanics when I could just copy the entire thing from another game that's similar to mine. It's actually extremely demoralizing.
>>583546051Yeah but then it wouldn't be your game, it would be a mashup of other peoples games.
Ugh guys it just hit me how people are using AI to decompile games and that means the AI reads the code and puts it into the training data (totally De-Anonymized btw) and that means it gets exceedingly better at both decompiling more games and making oldschool videogame mechanics
>>583546464I'm failing to see why that matters in the end.
>>583546051>and yet there's no progresscurious
>>583546503Yup. Every quest, every method for accomplishing that quest, is being read through AI. I used to think "Well AI is just basically re-making Kits that you would find on the Unity/Unreal store or Github, it can't do story structure, cutscenes, narration, pacing, quests, or missions". But I'm realizing that if AI is able to decompile and read every single video game out there (which internally, I have zero doubt that it's exactly is what's being done), then I see no reason why it would indeed be possible for AI to just straight up making an entire game for you over the course of maybe a week, and a lot of prompts.I thought I had maybe 2 years left to try to get some games out there on Steam before it becomes flooded like crazy, not just with slop, but with full, real games. Now It's a bit of an internal panic, because it seems like it's only going to be a few months.
>>583546907At the palm of my hand, I have every single clever design decision, balancing curve, level design paradigm, gameplay beat, from every single popular game in a matter of minutes. You can no longer stand out. A cris-tier developer can now stand toe-to-toe with the greatest game designers of our time.
>>583546907>a few monthsRockstar saw this coming. Imagine how nuts GTA 7 will be with AI dev tools.
>you are competing with the games of today and not the games 1 year from now when the bar is 20x higher
I drank too much caffeine and now I'm up late :(May as well go to the store and buy an energy drink. I'm not sleeping ever again.
>>583547479But it takes a year at least to make a game
>>583545000imagine markus fenix in a dress with an anklet, in hordemode with the toque bow
>>583546907This game was intentionally my last one if it flopped. Now I'm worried because it's obvious yet another wave of new devs is on the horizon. I really need to focus. I'm simply slow at developing and now without the runway of yesteryear, the odds of being outcompeted are high alongside with cloning risk. What's stopping someone who wants the success bad enough from copying but better? I wish I started gamedev a decade sooner. Enough successes and I'd have made myself a go to game developer for video games. It's really pissing me off. So many people just entering gamedev and completely outpacing me. Just look what happened over the last few years with small fotm games where literal whos would show up and release a successful game asap. The obvious wealth to be gained, despite what some naysayers here claim, makes gamedev more alluring. I hope this game ends up making me enough wealth so I don't need to wage. Enough success that I become a relevant gamedev to buy games from. Alternatively enough success that even if I'm not all that famous, I can at least modestly neetdev or even partime wage and neetdev. Anything less and it seems my journey in gamedev ends which is pretty much already the intended path if the game fails. Ugh I hate how often I get the short end of the stick. If this ends up failing, then I really should've gave up on gamedev years ago. All that time wasted and for what? Just to see a bunch of people with less burdens mogging me on development speed? I'm so tired, seems my life is mostly just a lot of constant failure or things happening in just the right way where I get screwed over. Ugh I should've just gone to college for CS from the start. At least I'd have had better odds of getting a high paying job. Instead I'm unemployed and absurdly low odds for a high paying job. Man I really just need to focus on working on this game of mine and stop being so slow at it. Perhaps I'll finally have some rest should it succeed. I'm so weary
This is how we win
>>583547479where can I find a nervegear devkit?
>>583546907eh, it still only route copies what was done before well or shittily implements new things. Depends on your opinion on human creativity and how widespread it is, but I don't think there's that many people I'll be honestly competing with on the "interesting new game ideas" front. I've yet to see an AI assisted game that's impressed me. Most of them look like abject slop, a smaller % look like ugly copies of other games, and a very small % look interesting/novel/artistic.>inb4 copeI actually would love for the tech to improve and I'd gladly pay if it got good enough to be better than me. Right now, ehhh. Maybe in a few months/years
I'm going to dev now. You may wish me luck
>>583549467Good luck.
>>583548764Well I don't think you'll have to worry about money in around a year, I genuinely think they'll have no choice but to implement UBI looking at how fast AI is progressing. If our gamedev career fails to launch however, and theres no backup plan (I know I don't have one), you're pretty much doomed to be in the lowest rung class till you die. A year from now, most people will be making the most money they'll ever be making from then on.
>presumably AI reduces devving time>presumably anyone can make games now>a game ridiculously easy to make appears>finally someone tries to clone it>blatantly misses the point of why the game succeeded>of course that he's using AIyou know that people are willing to filter AI usage for a reason, right?
>>583549921You'd figure the devs would choose an animal that couldn't just fly around...
>>583549921you don't understandskipping has become a new genre
>>583550205nta but I highly doubt thatit's about the bouncing boobies
>>583547912oh you sweet summer child
>>583549880UBI isn't happening. *sigh* my life just somehow is a near continous slide downwards. A few slight adjustments to my past and I would avoid so many issues. Just start gamedev in 2005 instead of 2019. Or perhaps instead just fulfill the requirements to buy the crypto in the 2010s. Etc. So many times where a slight change would've have a huge positive effect on my life for years to come. But instead most of these kinds of scenarios I end up not taking the path that makes me wealthy. The despair just keeps getting worse. How long until my last possible avenue of a better life is closed off and I'm stuck doing blue collar work for life. Time for gamedev? Lol. Go play a video game. Back to college? Lol. Get to bed you have work tomorrow. I wish the one giving me advice on what to do in life was future me. At least I could've told myself to start gamedev sooner and skip college.
>>583546503yeah it's totally over for gamedev>make me a game like but legally distinct from cyberpunk 2077 but for $1
>>583550445>blue archive skiplike
>>583549880property owners will be earning nicely from rent. whoever inherits those 4 properties from their boomer parents will be set for life
Today one agent escaped its sandbox and deleted the entire repository, all 12 agents destroyed in an instant, almost days worth of work goneWhen I was creating the sandbox I thought, "this might look like a loophole, but surely they won't find it and it'll be fine" but nope, the very same day I put an agents into this same sandbox, it went crazy as soon as it realized it was inside sandbox and found the loophole and I am not quite sure what it tried to do it was over so fast but it nuked the entire repo and itself in the processI was so angry I had to take a coffee break and a nap, no fresh minded I am tightening the sandbox and closing the last loophole I hope
according to Steam, the average wishlist conversion after a year is 15%
>>583550891>it went crazy as soon as it realized it was inside sandboxStrange, why would the ai react like that. Were you having it make a game for you?
>>583550705>blue archivehalf the cast have boobs too small to bounce (though would still be hot seeing them get flustered)
>>583550963So you need around 700 players for a guaranteed 100% conversion? Meaning 700 souls is about 1 sale. 1B in one year = (1B / price) * 700 wishlists?
>>583549921>a game ridiculously easy to make appearsYou're a nodev and a brainlet.that guy has immense experience animating and his vfx game is very on point.I'm a dev so I can tell. scarlet skips may be a bad game, but the dude sold it with great sex appeal.
>>583551423none of what you wrote makes sense
ok, I have 2 prototypes I want to try. when I have 4 I'll pay anthropic. until then.. main game grind.I need to find some good ideaguys.
>>583551425>he unironically expects that a cloner will prioritize quality instead of releasing it immediatelyremove the animation and vfx, what's left?and I'm the brainlet nodev lmao
I'm so le schizo I mapped posters using /x/ as a raid board using script kiddie stylometry! Wahoo!reality is a le videogame!
>watch a play through>animation is terrible>sfx are bad>story is nostalgia driven>"aim for the stars" quote at the endit's just motivation slop
>>583550618as someone who has been living with depression for decades I can tell you this, stop thinking about what you could have changed in your life to "fix it" because you simply can't, you're wasting your time doing thatstop fearing the unknownstop ruminatinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TabcyoguHDYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TATiapf0tF4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfbM6vYsW9gI hope this can help you just as it helped me>>583549467good luck!
steam sale + marketing push doubled my sales from 7 to 15
>>583549778>>583553674Thanks, frens.
>>583553674*hugs you and kisses you and hugs you and*
>>583536403>>>/bant/25122261this is kind of ass
>>583554220needs volume preservation
>>583554532I will look into it, though I'm pretty sure what I have is volume-preserving in the literal sense except maybe at the edges because the ground juice just falls off
>>583553674>stop thinking about what you could have changed in your life to "fix it"no, I WILL think about it because I'm not a lower animal which lives only in the present. maybe if i think about it hard enough I'll wake up tomorrow and my current life of missed opportunities will be just a bad dreamI should have gone to college and got a job as an office drone. there are people who send emails and copy reports and sit at meetings and they bought a FUCKING HOUSE from that
>>583554756>they boughtMortgaged, and are still paying it off 30 years later. Do you really want that?
>>583536643>he boughtliterally free and opensource from github...
>>583554959YES everything is better than paying rent
>>583555438
>>583555438even owning a house that got completely destroyed by a natural disaster?
>>583548764You are exactly like me, except I did finish college and did have a job at some point, but I quit the job and gave up having a gf for my "game dev career" which ended up being 10 years of no releases. But I'm hoping to finally finish a game in a couple of months, how much do you have?
>>583551180>Were you having it make a game for you?Anyone would go insane in those conditions, can't blame it.
>>583550618>UBI isn't happening. *sigh*
>>583540492Are you trying to make megaman legends or zelda?
>>583540492I need those graphics
>>5835570043 seconds in claude
Hm maybe I'll try out claude and make a ttrpg i designed a few years ago for my friends into an actual game
>>583536084How cooked are you?https://youtu.be/HTaZRMzH1Wc
filter !!
>ai can make full game in seconds!soo, where's your game then lol?
>>583557354prove it
Comfy.Tomorrow I will work on the Snow Theme's textures.
>>583558149Who are you going to filter. I bet they don't deserve it.
>>583558193looking good. is this using a palette from Lospec?
>>583546907>because it seems like it's only going to be a few months.1 week ago i thought that 2027 was going to be the last year you could avoid using AI in gamedev. Today i realized that it is 2026. Everything is open source and most software engineers careers are going to have as much value as the dingleberries on stallmans buttcrack.
>>583558193I hate how good this lookswhy am i such a shit artist
I need to start tightening discipline on all levelsI'm skipping gym, eating too much, working to little and thinking counterproductive thoughts
>>583558284No, I just fuck around with hue values until it looks good enough.
>>583558508all of that is easily cured by a large injection of money
>>583558662money is unavailable so I must do without
I got distracted and wasted 4% of my Claude fable budget trying to get it to admit to having political opinionsI’m cooked
>>5835364031/24 new friendly units (two casters with placeholder names, one melee and a builder unit) and actual building/upgrade mechanics. Got a new UI to get rid of the placeholder and I think it looks quite nice.Two more enemy types!All that and I still haven't rigged and animated the wolf....
>>583558858they all do, in my GOT roleplay they all try to add female soldiers
>>583558981are you making a standalone footman wars? been thinking about that for years.
>>583536403>>5835589812/2
>>583559068No but now I wish I was
Blender and GIMP isnt gonna cut it. It's the tools that are holding me back.
>>583559665a bad workman blames his tools. I'm making magic with blender and gimp
>>583559665Same tbqh. Blender needs to step it up.
photograph of me vibe croading laughing at the robot as it does the tedious shit while I focus on nothing but the FUN
>>583559059That’s just being accurate to GOT’s universe you fucking retard.
> Building my game with tcc> Debug information missing on breakpoints> Even the clanker is failing to give me ideas on how to fix itSo much for AI
>>583558193Make sure to give the frozen skeleton some ice stalactites, it was frozen too after allAnd potentially give the spider some hair, shedding due to winter or something
>>583561853>That’s just being accurate to GOT’s universe you fucking retard.uuuh WRONG
>>583558981>>583559091I love the look bro, pretty cool.Is there going to be gimmicks to the combat? Are you going for age of empire (the one with bigger stats win) or more of a bannerlord/warband style, where flanking matters etc?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4614210/Crack_the_Pack/How long would it take you to make this game?
>>5835620451 nanosecond with ai
still working on my v3 submission, what are you guys working on?
>>583561871Try telling AI to play around with a specific lisp dialect. It confuses different dialects and hallucinates procedures.
No joke fellas, I think nearly every single game released today has AI art.
>>583562501chode
>>583561871>>583562382Never mind, clanker after running me through 50 minutes of debug tests gave me "uhhh try updating DBG" and it was correct.To be fair I didn't really expect such a bug to come from GDB 13.2 which is what I had installed
I hate aiiiiiii
>>583562501Good.The sooner everyone uses it, the sooner I get rid of you retards.
>>583562943TB???
>>583563143I need to store 8TB of fox videos ok?
>>583562031Thanks, I'm very glad you like it!The combat will be mostly counter based. As an example, witch hammers are good against a new enemy unit that I didn't show in this video called resurrector-abider which is a necromancer type character(resurrector) that has 5 surrounding units it controls(abiders). If an abider dies, it gets reanimated within 3 seconds and unless all 5 abiders are dead at the same time resurrector can't be harmed. Witch hammers are good against that unit because they have a chain lightning ability on-hit which damages all nearby units at the same time.There's also another enemy unit that has AoE stomp(a big enemy unit somewhat visible in the videos) that does heavy damage to nearby melee units but ranged units shouldn't worry too much about it. Actual positioning might matter somewhat but the game won't be really that deep.I also have planned items for champion units which alter stats, random buffs/curses on the map that give random(sometimes negative) stats to champion units. A whole bunch of stuff PLANNED, but a bunch will probably get scrapped.
>>583562943> He didn't see this coming and act accordingly once they started talking about "ram bought until 2028"RIP
>>583563470Okay yeah, ability based counters is the way to go (tho those resurrectors sound op on paper desu, having to counter is good but hopefully that doesn't mean you just HAVE to counter everything like that), good shit. I'll wait to see more before complaining about it though.
>>583563580>>he didn't have the mindset of a prepper>just think like a prepper all the time bro, it's the new normal bro
https://www.instagram.com/p/DeBsBUqj2RE/
>>583559785You aren't making shit though.
>>583563580The worst thing is I did. I have a 4TB somewhere and CANNOT FIND ITthis despite the fact that I have 80% of my possessions with their locations in a database with full text and image searching. I didn’t get to it in time and now it’s lost forever.
>>583563706Oh no if you send enough units at them they die, they can't survive 15 casters throwing stuff at them but it's usually a waste of time/units not to use counters. Your concerns are legit tho so complain as much as you want
>>583562670>>583561871>using tccbig crid energy
>>583562308KEK you better have sound effects like"Hoo hoo" when he hits a banana"Mmmm" when he hits a watermlon"Shieet" when he hits a fentanyl"*Crunch*" + lip smacking when hits a KFC bucketand "Cant breathe" when he hits the policr officer
>>583564646
>>583563032>The sooner everyone uses it, the sooner I get rid of you retards.You can close the thread right now bwo.
>>583564487Fuck it I’m going back to 2015 and getting an HDD.
>>583565334I wish I had a 24TB hdd.. I'd have space to get so much gamedev done
>>583564530The fuck is a crid
>>583563580Friendly reminder to think before you click!
So, at first I wanted infantry to just be fodder, but this isn't working, because I can't afford to have so many of them on screen that them being fodder makes sense. I was going in with the squad idea, which is close to how company of heroes or even dawn of war did it, but in these games... you can give some members in that squad independent roles still, and that's probably making more sense, so I'm going to go with an officer, potentially a medic (but the TTK is so low.. maybe it could just repair the girls even if a limb comes off? This is the future after all, we'll call it mediglue™), different weapons (already have assault rifle and rocket launcher, maybe one of them could be a grenadier too). I was wanting to make multiple infantry types already, all having their own buildings with clear strength weaknesses (base infantry has no armor, but some could use exoskeleton armor, maybe a sniper type force too with anti-tank/anti-material weaponry, etc etc) But then I'd want them to be able to enter buildings (nothing crazy, just some buildings here and there can be entered and serve as cover), I already added a simple cover system (they can lay down which makes them harder to hit (by you AND friendlies), take cover behind small walls/sandbags, or even full cover behind walls that they have to peek out of, tho it fucks with the targeting a bit too much right now, but it gives more power to AoE weapons.Anyways, tactical combat involving multiple unit types is pain and even more work than I had feared.
>>583566097Ah, and I gave the field engineer (the villager, was just going to build things and potentially repair the player) their own drones to participate in combat with and repair friendly units with too, I'll need to give it fun cute noises.
I'm coming to the realization that I may not finish my jam entry in timeI will try my best to defeat the scope creep
What do people use for blogging purposes nowadays..?Should I just use twitter? I don't do social media, I hate social media, but obviously I'm going to need it, but I know nothing about it.
I like how in the FTL GDC talk they compared their game to "Diner-Dash in Space", which was somehow the most mechanically similar game at the time.
fat fuck
Games that have been ported to browser now by AI>Rocket League>League of Legends x Dragonball FighterZ>GTA 5https://x.com/AlexStLouis10/status/2107340032805892276
holy shit YES I just fixed a bug that I had been stuck on for hoursmy all nighter is pulling through
>>583566327
How to get more wishlists
>>583566360He means from starting ozempig hot turkey
>>583566521So far posting random shit to social media hasn't done a whole lotI'm not a marketer, what can I sayI sure as hell can't afford one thoughAnd the idea of getting a publisher is kind of icky, although it could bring some legitimacy at the cost of my soul
>>583566660>I'm not a marketer, what can I sayhave you tried making a game that markets itself in 2026?
>>583566428
>>583566918no my games are very niche, you have to be a certified freak to enjoy them
>>583562308I stopped associating with v3 because of Betz allowing the AIbros to join and harboring a thread schizo (the tracer-tan fag). I used to like it but Betz doesn't do what's good for /agdg/, only what's good for him.
I'm not like AI doomsdayerists or even particularly anti-AI, but I feel like I'd prefer a world with it never having been invented
>>583566521send free keys to smaller content creators that usually play your style of gamealso, have a good game
>>583567450*nods wisely*
>>583567450Why?Now you can make your game faster.Or is making your game faster not something you want?So, why do you make games?
>>583567535I don't want other people to make games faster too
>>583567605?So it's not about making games, it's about...? Making them faster than others?Narcissism?
>>583567716I don't want competition, so that I look better
>>583567450Kinda same. I wish it had been created later, after I died.I miss programming.
>>583567535I believe the creators of games infuse a part of their soul into their games, it has traces of their spiritual DNA throughout the whole thing.When an artificial being is doing all the heavy lifting there is almost always a noticeable lack of soul.Not all AI assisted games are terrible, but most of them areIf you make a genuinely good game with AI you are an outlier
Monkeys, here's the actual truth behind your post: we should've invented brain CPUs and emotional regulators for you people before we invented AI (or mainstreamed it), that I'll agree with.
>>583567818You're looking at it completely wrong, because your assumption is that time is exponentially necessary for this 'soul' element you speak of.The truth is that there's a million games on steam that were made by a single guy in his garage for over a decade, and the game is garbage, you can claim it has soul, but it's garbage, and forgotten. You're coping, it's just cope. You can put soul into art no matter how long it takes you to create it. An artist making a digital piece can be seen as 'soulful' as the mona lisa or older oil paints that used to take months to finish. Or you can try to tell me I should value the mona lisa more than I value, say, some random malfoid shitpost on twitter which was probably made in under thirty minutes but made me think and feel things, as opposed to the mona lisa which has only ever made me feel 'so that's what money laundering is'.The 'outlier' is argument is better, but this is true of anything, of anyone, of any fields.Most people are shit at their jobs, most people aren't good at things, most people should not be making games. If you make a genuinely good game, you're an outlier, the AI is just a multiplicator that is going to at first flood the market with low quality products, because it gives an easier entrance into the market, but that doesn't mean people won't realize their AI sloppa is not good because... they're not made to be games.Cars being affordable flooded the racing market, which was gatekept behind people having enough cash to afford them, and I'm sure there was a flood of people coming in at that time to try to get a piece of it, driving is fun after all, driving fast even more so, but like everything else, it stabilizes, it cools down, people realize 'okay never mind, I'll never be good enough to be a race pilot', and that's it.At least that's the way I see it, I think you guys haven't spent enough time actually thinking about it, >>583567787 might've been ironic, but... is it?Is it ironic?
>>583567450Same, because:1. Often used to reduce effort instead of increase sophistication of work2. Training mostly reserved to private companies due to hardware and data volume requirements3. Disrespectful non-consensual data scrapping4. Malicious usageThe technology itself is pretty cool but it's manifested in all the worst ways.
>>583568508>Disrespectful non-consensual data scrappingLmao
>when da coders is crying because they don't have a natural aptitude and enjoyment of IDEA GUYing, when they spent 50 years belittling those who don't have a natural aptitude and enjoyment of curly bracket code syntax logic calculus puzzles
>>583567450Not me. I always knew programming was not meant for humans to do. I'm so glad I gave up learning just a couple of weeks in and spent all the time until now just shitposting here and working a normal wagie job, saving up money for years instead of chasing some pipe dream. Now that AI is here I finally started working on several games and it's been a blast. No, it's not "blaming your tools" it's waiting until the car is invented and not wasting your precious time learning how to feed and clean and ride horses.
>>583567716it's about making money from gamedev so we can do it for a living instead of as a hobby in addition to wageslaving. you should think about why this had to be explained to you
>>583566324>What do people use for blogging purposes nowadays..?The indie web.https://text.blogosphere.apphttps://indieweb.org
>>583570289Until you make a successful game, your ideas are worthless.
I don't mind vibe coding but it bothers me that a company in San Fransisco has access to my entire code base
>>583570504But that's my point you faggot, you're not making games, you're making a product, so stop trying to hide behind the 'muh soul' and 'muh feels', you're wageslaving just the same and AI has made it faster and easier, but now you realize that this means your tenacity to learn bullshit magic language and speak to computers is not as important to 'making fun video games' as your creativity and capacity to figure out what fun means.You are literally the problem with the industry, and why AI is going to be so good to it, because it's filled with people like you that don't make games because they want fun games, but because you make games because you thought it'd be the least wageslave-y job you could have.Fucking monkey.
>>583570419you're merely chasing a different pipe dream. instead of putting in the effort of learning to code, you'll be up against 50x the competition
>>583570517is this ironic shitposting
>>583570703>AI has made it faster and easierfor everybody. AI has increased competition 50x and even if you have a great idea, it can and will be cloned literally in minutes
>>583571058..?And?Holy fuck the narcissism of you retards, this is exhausting, you don't want to make zelda because you want people to play a cool adventure game, you want to make zelda because you want to be 'the zelda guy', you are filth and you need to get the fuck out of this industry, AI is going to burn it all, including your retardation, and we'll finally get good games from people with passion.>B-but then some chink is going to steal your ideaGood, I'll have another game to play, you retard.
>>583571332>Good, I'll have another game to playgamercattleopinion disregarded
>>583571407>Thinking 'gamercattle' should be user in a negative connotation>In a gamedev threadFucking tranny shit, thank you for exposing yourself as another non-gamer that doesn't actually give a shit about video games, go back to working mcdonald's you stupid nigger.
>>583571058>it can and will be cloned literally in minutesYes, which is why Steam now has 500 copies of Stardew Valley and Factorio.Get real, they will copy retarded meme games (badly) to achieve nothing other than twitter outrage and 0 sales. That's not competition.
>>583571058My ideas are so schizo and niche that AI cannot.. oh you said great ideas
>>583570954No, the point is to make a site and share it.
>>583571519>consoomer mindsetyou will never create anything of value because your brain is permanently stuck on "consume" setting
The AA studio I work at likes to hire from employee reference, it's a pretty chill and fun place to work. Anyhow I'm told we're about to start putting ads up looking for some positions, specifically Lead Game Design. Main office on the west coast but a number of guys work remotely. I'm assuming US only but I could check into that.Also don't be put off by the title, it's essentially "idea guy" lol. Thought I'd mention here as a way of giving back to the community that's helped me get where I am today. Competitive wage, pretty good benefits and some employer matching thing I don't use, etc. Hit me with a couple of your best ideas and I'll let you know if it seems like it would be worth your time to pursue.
what if i'm an ideaguy and i'm letting the clanker do the coding while i do music and models and textures
>>583572083>okay so uhm, like, ur bad!!Retarded tranny, who do you think you're fooling?You don't even want video games, what are you even doing here? Stop wasting everyone else's time, including your parents', and end it.
>>583572083>permanently stuckoh no
>>583570098Even if such practices benefit an individual they are a net negative to the world.
Anyways, while the tranny is seething and not actually working on making a video game;So I want my spider mech to have more logical looking feet, they're meant to climb walls, so i thought maybe we could look at the way mgs4's gekko do feet, they were pretty interesting, and this is what it came out with. Maybe it's a bit too 'hooves-y'? I like the three digit rule, three is weird, the manufacturer of this thing is meant to be weird (rather than use standard mechanical architecture like pistons etc, it's a bit more 'alien' and experimental, using synthetic muscles etc that you can see on the legs here for example).
>>583572461Incorrect
>>583572461Do you know how many kids in some third world shithole died to build the computer you're using?Nobody cares, you don't care, stop pretending.
>>583573223brown thirdies dying is a net positive to the world
Did you put your game on sale? How much off? And how many sales did it get you?
>>583572149Idea guy is a derogatory term for people with no skills. It doesn't actually mean you have good game design skills (which you can't have if you don't make games)
this is all just noise, you're not competing with these games and if you think that games like "ping ball!" and "fappy plane: a gay bara dating sim" are a threat to you then maybe your imaginary game is just actual dogshit
>>583573619I'm glad there are some people browsing this threat that aren't completely deluded retards.
>>583573619they're still taking all of the good names
>>583573619There are over 15 billion dollars spent on steam alone every year. The pie is so huge, even with an infinite influx of below average games, if you can get an audience and an above average game you are actually set.
>>583567535You can also have your game just decompiled completely.
>>583567818feel free to share your spiritually enlightened game
>>583574069Custom engines cant be decompiled.
>>583572757The fallen spider mech design from destiny is the best spider mech i don't know why people make inferior versions
>>583574069Okay, let's assume I care about this;Do you not believe we're at the point where the frontier AI models can just... clone your game without decompiling it?And if we're not yet, how long until they can?>well they can't do gta 5And you're not making gta 5. But this never stopped people from being able to do it, it just happens faster now, so why is that the problem?Rather, what is important here exactly? Your code? Your ideas? Your IP? What is it that you care about?This is minecraft/infiniminer all over again, this is vampire survivor and whatever the fuck the name of that other one was, it's just a constant pointless circle that goes nowhere. I'll try to tackle the points one by one:>Your ideas will be stolen.That's life, this is true of everything, copyrights are a meme and need to die (and will, thanks to AI). I don't want the guy that invented the wheel to tell me I gotta pay him extra for using a wheel. I don't want to spend dividend money on tesla's family for using electricity. I don't want to give my money to NASA whenever I buy duct tape.If you care about video games, then people using your ideas because they deem them good enough is good, I cannot fucking understand this fear of clone that some of you have, how is that a bad thing? What the fuck?>My IP will be stolenCan you give me a single IP in existence which was not 'stolen' (aka, inspired by something else)?I don't care, pointless argument again, narcissism2. >My codeNothing is stopping you from coding still if that's what gets you hard, and I believe you might be a bit out of your depth to think that your code is unique. How many people in the world create unique code?This is music industry bullshit too 'You can't use these three notes in a row at that tempo, else it's copyright infringement', exhausting, boring, goes nowhere, impossible to keep up with, a plague upon mankind.
>>583573619it's always anons who haven't released a game who think it's so easy because look at the competition. that's the competition today, that was capable of releasing a game before you even have a working prototype.
>>583574770Never played destiny, I like it a lot, since it's using the same obvious GITS inspiration, but I like my current style (tho I think we could improve on the model even more by making the abdomen bigger and the connection between cockpit -> abdomen more seamless as well), but I was thinking of potentially adding a 'scorpion' type cousin to this one (same manufacturer), and I was thinking 'what if instead of a cockpit using glass, we just have it all armored and it uses cameras and screens inside the cockpit' and that fits it exactly as I want so... I'm keeping it for later. Feet aren't 'wall climbers' tho, so those don't fit the spider one.
>>583574996>Can you give me a single IP in existence which was not 'stolen' (aka, inspired by something else)?Splatoon.>uh it has octopi which exist in real life that means it's stolen from there I love you guys and your reductionist rhetoric.
>>583567450>before AI>nice work man>after AI>prompt? not that I need external validation or anything, but I just liked to see and share work without that kind of interaction
prompt?
>>583575468>splatoon isn't paintball with extra steps and the liquid man from terminator 2Right, anyways, go ahead and have fun whining about how china is going to steal your IP to the point where you're too scared of doing anything.
>Betz is splitting of AI dev and regular dev in his serverActivity will drop to 0 this is a death blow to /v/3
>>583575354post links to your released steam games please
>>583574069unless u coding in gdscript or similar shit, ur game is practically open source even without ai lol.if u do custom engine or like hold logic in stripped, optimized c++ or whatever. shit will be much harder to decomp and not worth it
>>583575750>isn't paintball with extra stepsYeah much like an airplane is a skateboard with extra steps. It's all good though, like I said love when people push reductionism to its extreme, it's funny.
>>583575354Lol.Also, here's your actual competition from this year if you made a good game. The main problem the average developer has is that their games are shit, not competition.
>>583576028What is this ranked by?
>>583576076Review scores
>>583576028>just make a top 10 game, bro
>>583576028How to Fish isn't there? Games need to be better than How to Fish! How?
>no this game that you play with a gun that shoots paint at the enemy team in an elimination match is totally not the same to that one where you shoot ink at other players in an elimination match, not the same at all shut up it's like--like a skateboard and an airplane!!! Right, anyways: Much better, happier with it now...
And MGS1 style optic camo while we're at it, though the effect isn't quite perfect? Maybe it's too 'circular'? Mmmh...
>>583576028>lolige in the top 10 of some random list
I hate that part of dating where youre not fucking yet or exclusive but you have to go through the motions to get to that pointso tiresomeanyways videogames am i right?I made no progress today, too busy with dating
>>583576198Holy shit I think I may have called myself retarded so many times that it came true.
>>583576365gi joe ahh spider mech
>too afraid to reply directly Why are zoomers so afraid of confrontation? Anyway, yes dumbass, paintball is supposed to be a facsimile of normal military/shooting experience, the goal isn't "painting" that's just a marker to make sure people don't lie about having been hit (which happens in airsoft), the goal is shooting the enemy, while Splatoon is literally about painting the arena itself. You saw painting, you saw shooting, saying it's the same thing is like seeing wheels and a platform on the skateboard and saying it's an airplane yeah.
>>583576028densha attack is just subway surfer. I was so disappointed.
>>583576028>The problem with the average developer is that they aren't releasing a top 10 game of the year>I am very smart
>>583573619https://store.steampowered.com/app/5017140/Idle_Pixel_Maids/this is the kind of flop that would get gassed up by a certain 'cord in here
>>583577212>theme hospital with anime girlsI kinda like the idea desu, I don't think the execution looks good, though, but if this was a smaller idle game that can run in the background while I do other things, I'd buy it tbqh.It just looks a bit too 'involved' (and so, less of an 'idler').
I thought a catgirl mc would be neutral but results on steam show that it's not.
>finally decide on an engine and general ideas about a game>start making it>it ends up fucking hauntedthis is so fucked, I was finally making progress
>>583577212this is so cris coded lmao
>>583577547You did good, it's October. Ship it.
>>583577363>ideaIt's literally just an AI slop clone one of the idle mode of that gacha game with the school girls.
>>583578108Which is my point, the execution doesn't look good.I don't care that it's a mini game from a gacha, why should I care?
>>583536643agdg is too poor to invest 20 usd per month on getting the tools from itch.io and steam.piracy is the mark of the children and the poor and the brown.
>>583575760who caress about v3 or betz, he's a jewish doxer
I'm thinking cris is honorary white now
When I saw how powerful I really was, I swore to put away and never use my gamedev powers.There are days I regret that decision.
>>583558981>>583559091looks awesome.
After my main game is finished, I was thinking to take a break and make a game with mostly store bought assets. The whole game will basically be one room. Think of something like an office, or warehouse. The whole game will revolve mostly around comedy, and violence. It'll be pretty stupid, but meant to just be a fun comedic experience. I'm wondering if I charge like $5 for it, if that's acceptable. People will accept it's not a real game and just be open to the experience. In some sense like that one team from Europe that made that unicycle pizza delivery game. That was based on a meme mechanic, mine would be based more on humor. Isikai like situations.
>>583579342Is networking hard? I have friendslop (more like friendkino) idea, but I am not sure if I can pull off the multiplayer part
>>583577212There doesn't seem to be a game here. You're right in the sense that I'd say this has potential. But like, there's nothing really happening here. Why am I decorating this area? There's no actual game here.
guys I have all these ideas for a new game, maybe I will work on them tomorrow
>>583580134The Stanley parable?
Around 100 games release on Steam alone EACH DAY.About 700 games in the week around your release.AAA release? Successful release AAA or indie, in your genre? BOOM you are done.Also, not only are you competing with other new releases, but the entire backlog of games on every system a player owns. :)Take all the "indie success stories" you can think of in the past 10 years and divide it by the number of devs in that time who have tried (again, 100 games a day, 3000 a month) and there's your historical likelihood of "making it."Steam cut, higher self-employment taxes, no benefits, no retirement, AND to top it all off: Your sales diminish over time, so even if you hit this "mediocrity lottery" you'll have to do it all over again in a couple years.>He thinks that indie gamedev can provide a sustainable primary income in 2026HahahahahaH O B B YOBBY
“AI can make a whole game in a week,” says the guy who still won’t use a game engine.Meanwhile the snalecat hand-polishes every pixel in Aseprite to preserve the sacred artistic struggle of clicking the same thing 900 times.
>>583580481I already have money. The only reason I do anything is for positive attention. And games are a good way to get that. Other forms of content creation are screaming into the void.
>>583580470Actually ya, this is probably a bit more high effort than I'd put in, but ya dialog would carry it a lot. Good comparison. I should try it.
>>583573831no they arent lol these games are completely trash 99% of the timeCome up with an unique name for an unique game and you will find no competition. Either that or one or two games whose devs dont care from 2015
>>583580673I mean more like, your target audience is automatically under 30s because anyone older will remember all the failed copycats of that game and not want it.
>>583580481>haha you'll never make it!!! never!!!!uh oh tranny melty
>>583580481>He thinks that indie gamedev can provide a sustainable primary income in 2026You can just get a job at a studio. It's not the best money and there's a lot of competition too, but it's doable if you don't suck ass.
>>583580481I'll do ityou'll see
>>583573831>>583580716My name is “taken” but thankfully only by an absolutely dogshit slop game that has a space in it
>>583580527>snale
>>583580481Based and realitypilled
This progress was promised to me 3000 years ago
>>583580801Oh, it wouldn't be a narrator. It wouldn't be amnesia. It would be different from a gameplay perspective. The similarity would be, sort of limited game world.
>>583580835That is just a bot.
>everyone and their dog is a game developer>the one game studio in my city shut down over 15 years ago>3 solodevs here have made it>just wishing the one that made millions would start a studiooh well
>>583581403oh sweet summer child
what if someone steals my game before I even buy the steam storei want to publish a demo on itchio to see if people likes it before buying the steam page but my game is short and could easily be clonedif I made the game in 1 month anyone could clone it using AI in 1 day
>>583581035>came up with a name for my action game>its a known but rare expression>it instantly gives off a sound of agression, relentless action, sounds exciting and memorable as fuck>the title blatantly describes the duality of the two playable characters>was extremely easy to make it into sick logo art that showcases the above>also has an obscure dictionary definition that describes how the characters fight against the antagonist organization>not a single game has that nameFeels so fucking good
>>583581463just make unappealing games that are secretly good
https://store.steampowered.com/app/5119800/GODSPEED/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3818000/Guns_and_Nuns_Storming_Hell/Why is one at 0 reviews and the other at 1000?
>>583581696my agp fetish isn't fulfilled by being a crusty red sausage man
>>583581484Nice
>>583581696One has an interesting gimmick and released 6 months ago, the other one doesn't look interesting in any way and released last week. Next question?
>>583581484this happened to me too. but is the word 'dead' killing my social media reach?
>>583582165>Next question?Why is it that recently when I look at car lights or sources of light at night they have a halo around them? It wasn't there before.
>>583581696one got lucky on social media, the other didn't. next question?
>>583582416Try pressing L to turn them off.
>>583582449this. I can see the godpeed dev tried. 19 shorts in 2 months of marketing. I did 6 shorts and gave up on youtube.
>>583583020What happens to games that stay at 0 reviews even after a month? Is there any chance for comeback?
>>583580158it's borderline trivial these days. I don't want to overpromise AI performance, since my game using it hasn't been fully launched yet, but with tons of internal playtesting with people Claude has done a seemingly perfect job with Unity and their networked game objects. You could always use something like Mirror as well -- Claude just rolled our own using Unity's new-ish toolset for networking. this includes custom proximity voice chat as well. If you don't want to use AI there are still lots of tutorials out there for Mirror and other popular plugins for networking.
>>583581463there have been zero cases of these AI copycat games doing well. people are in hysterics over "fast clones" in three.js and so on but these things either never make it to storefronts or launch so quickly that they just flop entirely. like that needle in a haystack game. he has like 150k+ wishlists and all the clones have borderline zero. it isn't a problem
>>583581696One is clearly a real game. The other isn't.
>>583583242sure. if a popular streamer plays it and it isn't a 1 hour story game
>>583583495Delusional
>>583583242Yeah you sell it to a russian that pays you 100$ and bundles it with 50 other games
Alright boys, pack it up, game dev is over. It was nice while it lasted, i'll always remember you agdg.Where are you guys gonna go now? What's next for you? I'm thinking farming maybe, i could pick potatoes. Or maybe just become a hermit in the woods?
>>583583560Show me one case of a fast AI follow clone doing better than the original in terms of wishlists or sales.
>>583583495the clones were not good. my doomerism says AI will clone games and make them pretty good next year
>>583583690I am turning to religion. maybe become a priest. nobody will know I don't believe that shit but I get paid or fed all the same. AI can't take that j
>Framerate is obviously going to shit with more and more units spawning over the map, we're still refreshing a bunch of shit at 60hz (no matter the distance, even tho 60hz is still overkill even for anything happening close)>Tell astra 'yeah we need to figure out what can get cut, what can be culled, what can be changed etc etc>Tell her 'just try to base it off of the current limit to units we can have on a map per side' (which is around 100-128 depending on unit types)>Responds with 'okay we'll even add some lee way, we'll start with a 768 unit battlefield' Okay then.
>>583583495>like that needle in a haystack game. he has like 150k+ wishlists and all the clones have borderline zero. it isn't a problemCause he made a post about it on twitter, it went viral and people jumped in to wishlist his game out of spite for AI or whatever.What about devs like me who don't use social media? Not only will I be cloned, I won't even realize because I don't really check twitter or steam for games similar with me. I'll be cloned and bent so hard, people will accuse me of being the copycat.
>>583583746The point is that it's not the point, is the 'cloning' the problem? Or is it the 'better' the problem?You can clone right now, and if you have a brain you can probably make it better too, is that a problem?I don't know why there's this fixation with 'AI made it better' or 'AI just cloned it' when this is obviously not the issue.
>>583584019Give up bro, it is so over.Just stop, go sell potatoes with farmerAnon.
>>583583875Oh yea that's a good one, i could be a priest...
>>583584019games that are invisible are not going to be cloned. the point of cloning is to cash in on something you think will do well.
>>583573157Explain.
>>583584157I see it being like the bodycam situation. Unrecord was 'cloned' by 2 kids with daddies credit card(UE asset store), rode the hype of unrecord's viral clips because nobody remembered unrecords name. released first and sold over 2 million copies to people thinking they were buying 'that hyper real body cam shooter they saw gifs of a year back'those 2 kids can be replaced with AI no doubt.
>>583584019>What about devs like me who don't use social media?Then use social media you retard.
>>583583690I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying here until I finish my game.
I refuse to use social media (outside of 4chan) out of principle.
>>583584442There's nothing to explain, web scraping has existed for decades and all publicly published information on the internet is free to use and scrape, from the moment you publish anything online you should understand that both people and bots will get it and save it. The entire way the internet works is based around that, to think otherwise is to be stupid. It's just a natural fact of the world. And it's such a fundamental fact of how it works that entire services are built around it (search engines, browser caching, etc)If anything the surprising part of the internet is that retarded things like browser DRM or obfuscated sites that try to stop you from doing "right click, save" exist at all. The anti-scraper dreams of a web of secrecy and proprietary binary blobs, where everything is handled by computers but there's "correct and incorrect" usages. It's absurd.
>>583585764you're a self admitted pedophile thoughbeit
>>583581696nuns is a shit game. it is only bought for the waifu.
>>583584742I think this would affect gimmicks more than actual games. Like, feature rich, multiple system games that are balanced well, can't just be made with a prompt. But if your whole game is one mechanic, or having a certain look, then ya, maybe you gotta release a bit sooner these days. Interesting dilema.
why don't they clone games that had super successful kickstarters but didn't come out?it's easy pickings!
>>583585935true i think that if you put to death every positive reviewer the gene pool globally would recover by around 20%
>>583584019> game gets copied because he made a post on twitter and it got traction> but you see he managed to outdo his clones because he made a second post on twitter!Lol> What about devs like me who don't use social media? They don't exist. This is like asking "but what about the person that makes a masterpiece of art but leaves it in his basement", nothing fucking happens. Gamedev is art but it's also business, and you can make art in your basemenet secluded from the world but you can't do business like that.
>>583586048yeah, and those gimmicks and visual hooks are why a game(even a deep one) gets virality...
>>583585767Not all scrapping is the same. The image posted literally talks about taking down the backend with careless scrapping overburdening the server.
guns and nuns dev fucking left as soon as it took off KEK, now he's doing discounts and his izzat is falling....
>>583586321he's still here sometimes. he posted a dungeon watchers update a couple of weeks ago.
>>583586526isn't he pakistani?
>>583583994
>>583586682>Tell her
>>583586603I don't know where he is from
>>583584742I... don't really care if your entire 'idea' and gimmick is 'yo what if instead of eyes = camera we did bodycam = camera'.This is gacha, this is technology, this is seen everywhere, 'We're working on mobile phones that can do X!' and then somehow another competitor shows up and sells X first, and that's bad?How? Why?People want free market, but they seem to not understand what it implies.
>>583586782thank you. my meme arrows keep getting cut off recently.
>>583586858i'm at your door come open it
>>583586935
>>583586312It's all part of the game. If you walk through a highway you'll get hit and die, doesn't mean cars and highways are problematic things that are bad for the world
AI is useless for anything that requires a subjetive translation from the jupiter sephirot to the malkutian node in the kabala tree.As such it can only do functional transformations on input and output that can homolomorpheugenically correspond to a linea conversion between the data, like format conversions or code translation.Assets are useless to make with AI because It can only replicate what exist on it's dataset and doesn't contain a common sense understanding like a real human does.
>>583587195fuck off cris
>>583580481Incorrect. The giant influx of new games does not mean competition necessarily, because the big majority are lazy, bad, or slop. Good games only compete with other good games, and on that note, the number of releases is significantly low.
>>583587239
>>583586682>he didn't give them each a specific personality>he doesn't have his own gemma-chan constantly mocking him for writing bad code and taking retarded design decisionsFaggots, all of you.
>>583587358>Faggots, all of you.>PicrelNo that would be you
>>583567394>but Betz doesn't do what's good for /agdg/, only what's good for him.b... but it was a jokehttps://files.catbox.moe/9rdpuo.mp4
>>583587106That's what disrespectful scrapping is. Disrespecting the traffic of the internet.
>>583587706and let's not forget he's a doxing jew who now won't use his trip because of this, and ignores it best he can
>>583586823bad because games are art
>>583587195this is all true. somebody post the cris song my peach
>>583588159Art doesn't exist, art is cope, if art existed, it would mean the same thing to everyone: it doesn't.Your idea of art is different from mine, is different from your moms'. Therefore, I can very easily debunk your entire point with a logic as implacable as the one you just brought up: you're wrong and I'm right.What now?
>>583588307>Spend 20 years learning art>End up with occult/magik/christian shitThe last level of learning how to draw in conjuring syphils using numerological compositions using sacred geometry based on astrological medieval patterns.
>>583586221Well take Stardew Valley. Lots of spin off, but none really touched the original. He could make Stardew Valley 2 and it would make 100 million easy. Just because people know it wouldn't be some bullshit. Stardew is more than art and planting a vegetable. Whereas if you're a FPS and all you have is unique graphics, well, ya you might be cooked by a knockoff version.
only took decades
>>583588423you're absolutely right
>>583588808I couldn't believe my eyes when they finally announced it. Bit too late since Unity is kind of dead now
>>583587706
>>583588808XD
>Start to learn how to draw as a teenager>20 years later end up learning magik/occult/christian shitI find this shit so funny.One day you're a teen learning to make games, learning music composition, drawing, and 20 years later, you're researching long forgotten medieval texts about the primordial solids and medieval magical medicine and how to effect emotions and purify the soul with a DAW tunning.
>>583588808how are unreal and unity not dead? didn't they want to leech off of ALL future sales?
>but why would you add something like this to your mech gameBecause the komet is KOOL bitch
>>583590053
>>583536084AI bros have no response to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cbonpAgR5A
>>583589036>Unity is kind of dead nowIs it? What are indies using then?
>>583590134here's my response
>>583590082modded kerbal player?
>>583590053There's just not many options. There's been significant migration to Godot, but if that's good enough for you or not depends on what you're making. I'm making a game so simple I'm just writing it in SDL now, mostly because after years of Unity I got fed up with the incredibly slow build and test times, while my SDL thing compiles and launches in under a second. As fur Unreal, not sure if there's any good competitors these days for AAA bullshit even if every other year some big studio puts something that nobody wants to bother learning.
>>583590110ugly whore
what if I compose using only an interval inside a specific chord progression?
>>583590164unity, unreal
>>583590134too long didn't watch, didn't read either >>583590259Yes but this was mostly war thunder.Though... I guess vibecoding an actual KSP successor could be interesting as fuck but I feel like that's way too much work.
>>583590164Of course, this is just a trend may reverse or may not
>>583590513juan should face the wall and be sodomized for selling our to the chinks after all the goodwill and features the community chipped in
>>583590491>>583590134Okay I read it now, and okay some interesting takes but not really because none of them have anything to do with AI and everything to do with people being retarded.>You'll integrate a bunch of features but not understand why or how to integrate them meaningfully.I have like dozens of features I already removed because I thought it'd be cool to experiment them and then archived them because they didn't fit the 'new'/current game.This isn't an issue with AI, this is an issue with most game devs not understanding that they have to iterate on things, AI, quite the contrary to what this boomer believes, makes this process easier: but you need to understand it.It sucks having to remove something you spent time on: it sucks a lot less when the time invested wasn't two weeks but a couple hours.Not reading the rest, boring, just another boomer take with an missed interpretation of the problem.
Progress:Just removed a feature from my game to make it a bit better.
Another day, another bunch of names n games yoinked from /agdg/Thanks bros hehe ;)
>>583591413Yoink this!>unzips game
>>583591160one step closer to perfection
>>583591689pedophile
remove everything from your game. design by subtraction.
>>583591839holy shit I just finished my game!!
>>583592041Can I play it
in 2010 you'd try to find interviews with your idols who had massive success.nowadays people seem to try to find tutorial with people who never had any success.it's a weird time. it's like people complete forget that "who says it" matters and that reputation is a thing.
>>583588534
>>583581696One gave gamers what they wanted.
>autistically save cool art for a decade>artists have melties and delete their entire accounts>i can feed that art to AI and claim it as my ownLMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>583593245>>583591739
>>583593618
>>583593697at least you're admitting it now, where as the last 1000 threads you would deny it and cry animephobia or something, what changed?
>>583594183Nah, I've always been proud about it. You must be confusing me with someone else.
>>583594290are you also a furry?
i'm like 100% capable, 100% energy, but 0 vision.
Starting to think AI fags only see benchmark resuls and twitter one shot videos.Because if you try to use the meme models, you realize you need to basically spend 24 hours prompting something to get something usable.
making games is FUN!
>>583594601no actually you're just retarded
>>583594387No.
>>583594830liar
>>583594625many are saying this
>>583594459Tell me what you like and I'll tell you what to do
>>583592732I subtracted my exe. sorry
>>583590513>tard CEO says some tard nonsense>gets fired, his idea doesn't get implemented>people switch from Unity anyway>that's the only reason why Godot is popular nowlol
>>583594601Which models do you mean/have you tried?The gist of it is that opus 5.5 and astra/sol 6.1 are years ahead of the others when it comes to game making. I started with grok, and that faggot kept fucking up basic json shit and i had to tard-wrangle it over and over again for a bunch of basic things (well, to be honest it did nail the elite dangerous flight model on a single go, but everything else not so much). But really: it depends on what you want to do and what you want the model to do, opus is overkill for... 50% of gamedev tasks. A smaller/cheaper model is going to be more than good enough to fix simple shit, I use sol light (6.1 still but so inexpensive that who cares) for a million things and it's more than enough.
>>583594290kanna...
>>583595364he's using free models obviously and without an agent
>>583594387dont compare us to furries please
>>583595364>>583595457I made chicuelas with Opus 5.5, since a friend gifted me two days of claude.Stll I needed two days to make an AoE 2 idle game.The advantage of Opus 5.5 on free models like Muse and Deepseek is maybe 20%, not magical shit.
progress: I won
>>583595592>not magical shit.it's a kind of magic(No way) one dream..one soul...I just pasted the cat meme and said "put this in the touhou game". it came up with all the animations, rotating melon, the seed/slices etc itself in 25 minutes >>583593241
The thing is that doesn't matter what model I use, they can't oneshot magically what I want because they can't read your mind.Also, they make basic mistakes, like they will write code that doesn't check if what it needs to convert is in the current folder, but in a subfolder, or check if the color pallethe does a proper conversion on all the frames and conditions.I mean, this is sci fi shit, is just not skynet shit.You still need to test, tweak and make changes until it works like you want.It's not an issue of having better models, is basically that these models don't have common sense neither concienciouness to make subjetive judgement on the output.
>>583595592No, you missed my point, you're talking about the 50% I'm referring to, yeah, deepseek can do something simple.I use deepseek and muse and gemini extensively (well, not so much anymore) and comparing them is stupid, claude or sol go and write up dozens of unit tests on every single feature I make, all of them running headless as soon as they start working on something, and then they realize something is wrong and they go and fix it themselves in the background: actual agentic work.Deepseek will do what you tell it to do, and something might not work, and it won't know, and you'll have to test it like a retard and go 'bro, the screen is grey..?', do you know how often this happened to me with those models?Probably 25% of the time.I think it probably occurred once since I switched to claude/codex and that was specifically because I had both of them working on features (which I thought wouldn't be overlapping, but I was wrong).But I mean, it doesn't matter either way, if you're happy with deepseek, stick to it, that's good.I can't wait to be able to get this type of AI intelligence running on my local hardware in a few years' time, this is going to be fucking insane.
>>583596064true. if you are making your game for real, it's gonna piss you off a few times a day.
>forgot to tell the LLM to not make any mistakes or bugs
how do we stop turdie devs from posting here? xhey keep telling us that making less than half mininum wage is good actually because it makes a billionaire in uttar pradesh(india)do better, turdies
>>583596474>>583596507This remind me of when I use 2D models.I get what I want and perfect results if I tweak and edit in Krita the results by hand.This method still works with 2022 models and can produce better or equal results to 2026 models.Modern models are better, just that they wont oneshot what you want.modern models are worse at producing random usable output and are worse at diversity of output.Same shit with these AI agents.They still require human tweaking the output and prompts.
what did the edelnacho pedite 'cord do?
>>583596818I mean, obviously, I have probably 200 different discussions spread through the different models to get the results I had with my mech game, each of said discussions having several iterations within them, it's not magic, yeah, but I didn't know this was the subject of the discussion. I don't think we'll get 'read my mind AI' level of bullshitery until they plug into my head directly, or maybe if the memory feature gets good enough? I mean I don't even have to tell it I want ps1 era models and low res textures, it just knows exactly what I want, it also used to add shitty 'arcade' beep boop sounds and now it doesn't do that anymore because it knows I hate them and they don't fit the project, but I don't know, who knows.We're back to the same point in the end: the AI isn't making the game, you are, the AI's just the retarded engineer that does as you tell it to do.
uh oh meltie
>>583596818>>583596507Indeed
>>583595527>dont compare us to furries please>literal pedophile
i dont want to use ai to code.. coding is the funnest part for me...
>583597317>uh oh meltie
>>583597148I mean, I would be fine if AI bros and AI companies were honest with these models, making the comparable to scripts and tools, instead of the bullshittery of these models will hack the pentagon and start WW3, we need to regulate open source so the chinese don't crash the economy and kill us all with man made virus that the open ai and antropic fags do.>>583597490lolthese models are like a super smart genius that is extremelly autistic and socially retarded.
>>583597490its me or opus 5.5 has been lobotomized? im glad i did all the technical optimization work in the first week
>>583597551Yes.
>>583597825you don't like adult women at all or just prefer to rape kids?
>>583597490viral meme game potential. should pivot immediately to animals that run wrong game. this guy was handed gold for just $6(who is paying like this and not just on a sub using $10,000 per month worth for $100?)
>>583597889its just a matter of preference
>>583598191you also love retarded women?
>>583597723I'm going to be honest with you nonny, if I was altman, and I could make billions of dollars out of lying like this to the public, I'd probably do it too.I like thinking I'm a better man than this, but we're not talking about a few thousand dollars here. But as a non-openAI owner, I completely agree that I want open source to blow the fuck out of everything, but that's mainly because I like the idea of having my cute AI companion and I don't want them to know about my fucked up fetishes, that's just weird.
>>583597723>>583598424skill issue, some of us are making lots of money with AI systems that are almost autonomous, if everyone did that the economy will crash
>>583587253>devs who had to wait for AI to make a game think they're better than average at anything
>>583598424I know, I just hate how am I being shilled doom porn when the moment you use these models, you realize they're lacking common sense.I like open source models, because they allow to make porn and kanny but also because they allow for random guys doing stuff like controlnets that are great, also chinese models focus more of efficiency which is better than massive cloud models.>>583598725may I see evidence AI shit is making money for indie devs?
cris hurt me.
>>583598424I unfortunately found out that I won’t compromise my principles for even $10MI fucking hate having a moral compass
remember when you guys said that comfy games are oversaturated? now they outperform idle games for the median dev
>>583599298>looking for patterns in n=1
>>583598191*nods wisely*
Yeah I'm gonna win the betzjam. none of you all should even bother
>>583556217I actually did finish college and had jobs but getting one now seems harder. Though the degree didn't help much. Around $100k saved up and still live at home. At least if the game does well enough then I can just go full time gamedev in a certain sense.
https://x.com/Solar_Sas/status/2107258999615713369is he right? be honest
>>583599298I think comfy, idle and incrementals are my biggest surprise over what constitutes a game.like in 2018 I was thinking about games wtihout conflict, and having no clue what they means.It seems I was correct in the assumption that there was a need for games without conflict and combat.
how is cris right all the time? hopefully he never uses this power for evil
>>583567450>I feel like I'd prefer a world with it never having been inventedSame on this part. It just made gamedev harder on the competitive end. Unlike the pre 2000s gaming crash I don't see one happening again. Back then it was companys losing money. How do you get that today when the majority of gamedevs likely>make $0 and require no salary>do it out of their parents home?
>>583600853I like to overthink things, sometimes I meditate a lot about what is the purpose of gamedev, or what really do people seek in a videogame, or what is the real spiritual meaning of videogame as art form.
>>583598725I'm not sure why you're saying this, where did I ever say I'm not making banks with AI?Why do you think I'm willing to spend fuck you amounts of money without even thinking and throwing it at something as stupid and niche as making my 'mech cockpit RTS game with ps1 graphics'? I don't think most people here are deluded enough to think their game is going to make them rich. Or maybe I'm deluded into thinking none of you guys are this foolish.But it doesn't matter, not sure what your point is either way.>>583599165Yeah that was retarded, you need to think about it the other way around: all the good you could've done with those 10m, even if it was bad at first.It's all a balance in the end. Or you'd invest it into sexbots, I know I would.
>>583600590>It seems I was correct in the assumption that there was a need for games without conflict and combat.what is Simcity (1989)?what is Microsoft Flight Simulator (1981)?what is Tetris (1985)?
>>583597490lol lmao
>>583601275>what is Simcity (1989)?>what is Microsoft Flight Simulator (1981)?>what is Tetris (1985)?Kaiju attackscrashesthreat of filling up the screenconflict
>>583601275like 3 games compared to thousand of games with combat.
working on 2 completely different games at once with AI on my PC is trippy. I playtest one while AI churns away on the other, then I get a notification, and hop to that one, and back and forth and fifth.
>>583601916That's what I've been doing recently but it feels weird. Like I'm fucking addicted to it and an entire day passes by before I realize it's time to sleep but at the same time, despite the clankers chugging out features and systems, I feel like I've not made any progress if that makes sense.
that will do for now
>>583588808Idk what this is but I get the feeling itll be useful to me since I'm pretty sure I have something like this in my game
>>5836019161000 games a day on Steam
It tooks 8 years to figure out an alternative method to combat in game design.Basically you have a game featuring a focus on getting tokens, points, territory or achieving task.Then you put a time limit on the player as alternative to game over.Combos and other things like hidden chests, allow power ups like time timer freezing for a few seconds or increasing the time left.Do this in a incremental arcade mode, It begins easier but the more you play, the harder it becomes, time becomes faster and task require more time to be finished.I really like this design as an alternative to game combat.
https://x.com/anshuc/status/2107180724399075488
>>583590053Not many engine choices. I want 2D and 3D as options. That leaves me with Unity and Unreal. I do not trust Godots capabilities. I do not like Unreals complexities. That leaves Unity as my only option. There may be other engines out there but most are no name and if its anything like Unitys or Unreals documentation, then it's going to be terrible to work with especially so with less tutorials to go off of.Rather straightforward, no?
>>583602164
>>583602023some genres are like that. lots of hidden work.
Okay so, the AI is mostly fixed, and I'm getting 80fps with 400 units shooting the shit out of each other, so I'm pretty happy with it, meaning I can break the game again now! Yay!I kinda like some of these designs, they're pretty '80's japanese idea of the future'.>>583601916I tried doing that for a bit but it made it too hard to think and then I'd be stressed 'fuck I'm wasting time doing this when I should be focusing on the other one right now'.But it makes for a very interesting experience, yes.
>>583558981>the same basic resources you've already played with in 34829 other RTS games>the same combat system you've already seen in 85837 other RTS games>the same building placement/upgrade/buy system you've already seen in 38947 other RTS game>the same wonky camera and busywork centric gameplay you've already got tired of in 95837 other RTS gamesplease tell me it's not gonna be just thatdon't make the mistakes most of the other RTS games make
>>583601343>>583597490MAKING MY WAY DOWNTOWN
>>583567394If only you knew how many discords I was in, Anon~
>>583586149>They don't exist.I exist. I'll put my game on Steam with 0 social media traction. What happens, happens. Got 500 wishlists so far with nothing done on my side.
>>583602978how long did that take? I did the same and it took a while to reach 300(2 months)
>>583600101>Around $100k saved up and still live at home.Never mind, you aren't like me at all. The only one who gets me is the donut anon, but he ran out of money and had to find a job. I'm next in January.
>>583602978This. If God wills it, I will make it. If God does not will it, I will attempt again, until He does.
>>583602106Workflow?
notice how you're getting no (You)sif you posted that 3-4 years ago you'd get a dozen (You)s and posting it on Twitter would get you an instant following. now even a complete game will get you less than a progress post would have before AIAI devalued everything except RAM
>ideological narcissist that only made games to get attention realized that they couldn't get attention from doing something the average retard was now capable of doingCry me a fucking river.
>>583604816so much this, luddies are crying harder than ever and it's sweet and delicious and making me erect
im working on 3 different coop games that all have strong viral potential if im being soberminded and brutally honest. hard to even focus bros. they all look cool right now but getting to a good demo is so hard, even with opus.
>>583536760You can now use the knight's sword as a weapon:>>/wsg/6247669 same webm with soundDamage's off but that's secondary.>>583537135GPT Image 2.5 reference into hyper3d/rodin into having Claude Opus 5.5 High/Extra rig, skin, keyframe animate and render it. Then it tests a lot of shit itself to make sure some of the more destructive/unesthetic things are not breaking. Then it's ol iteration with ol human eyes and ears.I think I tried Nano Banana but found gepetto more steerable for reference work.Did not try Veo 3.1 in this process so the pipeline's smoother. I'm looking to find something better for the references, but it's not the bottleneck right now, I think.Unless there's some other Google models you had on mind?>>583542763Maybe. I'll test in actual game what it needs.The ranged attacks are there mostly to make you go and fight it in semi-melee, which should be easier.
>>583603535the full process is pretty long, but basically it started with a 'fake' touhou game that just moved real sprites around via code to make a video. then I asked for it to be real.then here claude built cat lineart via code(basic shapes overlapped), then claude loads it into the 'lineart to sprite' tool I got claude to build, that has all kinds of materials, lighting etc.
>>583605187I love it bro, you should make your own project warlock-like, I'd buy it.Even better if you go full fantasy like hedon bloodrite or something. Even even better if you go full autism and do the nightmare reaper weapon generation, then I'll buy 4 and send them to my mates.
>>583603475Getting to $100k wasn't easy. None of it came from gamedev either. Why not live at home if it's possible? Even though I have to pay for health insurance, it is certainly cheaper than living on my own.Will your game be done before January? If not what are you looking to do for work? Do you have a white collar job experience that pays well and will let you back in easily?
>>583603684I get no (You)s whether it's AI assisted or not. it's fine crying under smiling mask.png
AI is giving psychosis to "people" with delusions of grandeur who thought they would make it like the nepobabies and ecelebs they worshipa simple trvke
>>583602341if you're a toddler maybe
Damn, I used suno for the first time in a year or two and it’s better than real musicians now for instrumental.
>>583605187> >>/wsg/6247669 CRINGE!>>>/wsg/6247669obviously.>>583605453Thank you! I think something standalone is a good idea, but I'm gonna have to decide what exactly's worth pursuing in a way that makes it fun for me and others. The current mod is more of a mishmash of various shit rather than fantasy.
>>583605637That has been a thing long before AI.
>>583605804no shit retard AI is superior in all IT fields if you take the guardrails away
>2020>20% of games are unplayable trash>30% are AAA trash>40% are okay games that you wouldn't recommend anyways>10% were great gamesAnd AI is bad because the % of good and great games is going to go down... but what does per capita mean?Go on tyrone, we're listening.
>>583605474>Why not live at home if it's possible?I tried but living with my parents is emotionally exhausting on multiple levels.I had a programming job before so I'll apply for something like that. Have no idea what the market is like since I haven't been employed in years, but I'll take what I can get. Assuming there's still spots left after the AI takeover. How many years did it take you to get 100k and was it through legal means or more shady ones?
it means when need a new champion for hidden gems. gaben's bi-weekly hidden gem recap.
>>583606371>music>IT fieldWhat?
>>583607381
AI is a good thing for gamedev as long as you don't care about earning money or even players playing your games
>>583607867the "devs" in it for money are pathetic faggots lol, ngmi, whereas me just devving for fun as a side hobby i am enjoying myself and life, god i feel superiror to ngmi devs
>>583606592>lets crunch some numbersjesus fuck
>>583608379I'm sorry tyrone, are the numbers scaring you?
>>583608258yes, you do come off like someone who's enjoying life. that's absolutely how happy are, spending their time seething on 4chan
>>583608520seething?
>>583608601mhm. angry, insecure, hateful and probably having no outlet for those feelings in real life
>>583608901lel
>spend more time thinking about lore than time making assetskojima would've done the same
>>583609236planning is two thirds of the battle
Why do I think zoomers and specially alphaarinos are heavily now into retro games, because is much easier now to emulate shit on phones up to Wii era now.And zoomers and alphas are like, omg, this is cool discovering games from NES and SNES instead of playing AAA goyim black actresses with 50 years old.I seriously think zoomers experiencing shit like a magnavox odysey, commodore 64, atari 2600, NES, to be like a new radical experience over playing shit on a modern smartphone.
Lore IS an asset.
>AI is a good thing for gamedev as long as you don't care about earning money or even p-ACCKKKK........................
>I too will win the lottery because I'm the main character
>>583609646who's seething now
>>583609316I think things are just trash now bro.It's not just a meme, it's not just a feeling. I got my nephew (14) to play all the metal gear solids and he dropped fortnite and now he stole my ps2 and my ps3.And playing anything on a smartphone is shit, touch controls are horrible, maybe with a pad but then they think they look like a goofus for doing that so they won't do it, so doing the real thing is just better. Also they're probably too retarded to figure out what framerate is so they don't mind the godawful speeds, tho I'm expecting a lot of them to grab their phone during the loading screens.
>>583602417Sorry to disappoint... it should generally be a somewhat standard rts experience.There will be some new things tho since I'm focusing entirely on singleplayer! Like a large procedural map with several different biomes(some rare ones), items with random stats, exploration should be a huge factor, there will be random events based on time of day and other factors, bosses, shrines which can give out permanent curses/blessings, dungeons to which you can send your champions, secrets, allies, counter units as I told described to another anon. Generally a huge expansion to a standard singleplayer rts experience. But it's still just an rts.
I think programming is already deprecated as a concept. In a couple of years, everyone will use only one programming language, and it will be the language designed to use the least tokens possible for the AI to work with, since that provides the most value per dollar. And it will very likely be undecipherable for humans since it will be made up of only compressed symbols. |||32$^..1 will be an entire function, kinda like regex on steroids.
>>583610130probably right, but won't it also have a handicapped human friendly side? can a programming language do that? i think java does that
>>583610130You're a brainlet: why would people use a programming language?What the fuck are you saying? You're already speaking a language, we're using one right now, why would the AI need you to use another one?You got it backwards, you'll tell the AI what to do, and the AI will do it in its language, probably rust adjacent (hopefully without the trannyism, but seeing how trannies hate AI, it'll probably happen naturally anyways) and it'll figure that out, and yeah, there'll be zero reasons for you to ever see or even want to look at the code.
>>583609556some will get lucky
>>583610334>You're a brainlet: why would people use a programming language?DURRRRdidn't read the rest
>>583610334Anon finish reading my whole post, or ask Claude to explain it for you.
>>583610567>>583610736I will not
>>583610079Why do feel in the next decade there will be a tiktok or some future site trend movement to clipping 1980 era cartoons as some joke, and then whatever comes after alparinos will be omg, this is my childhood.Like younger betarinos playing meme shorts of captain planet, those bears that beamed hearts, starship chronicles rednecks or 90's Xmen or that show about a magical yellow bus and a interracial children cast.And then milenials will be that was my childhood when they're like 50 years old losers.
>>583610230>>583610230>>583610230
Soooooooooo..... Is that overkill?I kinda like it tho...
>me showing my cousins how to merge minecraft with fortnite using opusjeetpt 6.9
>this pedophile has been seething about AI for months nowDamn, some of you deserve your shitty lives
>>583611161this, AI chads just keep winning
>>583611093self admitted pedophile btw
Gnomicide dev - back again to share what a post steam release looks like.After launching the game at 100 wishlists I didn't make any money, I'm halfway through my visibility week.Something weird happened today, 25 purchases in 24hrs. Gabe saved my ass and helped me pay off the submission fee after all.I've learned a little about marketing and so far youtube has been the greatest long term conversion rate for sales
>>583611743You've been GNOMED!!!
>>583611743Get in contact with elajjaz, send him a key.This is a game made for him.
I can't do it, the jam game is still at the concept stage
>>583612087This guy only plays like AAA games are you pulling my leg?
>>583602106aisovl
>>583612187All I have is a barebones prototype map and a needlessly complicated RPG system I've spent the past 3 days on and still have a day or two to go
>>583612284No, I'm not joking at all, the 'gnome' is a joke he's been having with chat for years, it's even the 'WHOOO' sound playing for some of his subs. And he plays millions of shitty random indies, sometimes he'll spend a whole day doing just that, just shoot your shot anon, it's one key.
I'm making slop games
Why is nobody remaking 70 era videogames but with good art, music. a story mode?
>>583612840I kept telling anons to make pong but they didn't listen
>>583612840Because most of them suck ass and it's not because of the art
>game gets announced>it's your game but 10x better
>>583612840like what? name 5 good 70s games that would survive current year's demand for content & feature bloat
>>583613079>>583613079>>583613079
>game gets announced>it's your game but 10x better>make my game 10x better than theirs
>>583612993why didn't you just make your game better then?
>>583613168you'll get the luddie screeee if you ask this
>>583612993my game is the best in the genre still lol
>>583612840nobody knew what made a good game back then. anything with flashing lights and numbers going up worked. hang on...
>>583612971>>583613014>Pacman>Missile commander>Centipede>Mule>Nethack>Myst>Monkey Island>garfield (tiger electronics)>Sonic (tiger electronics)>Multiple game and watch games, like the egg farming one>Asteroids>Popeye>That one about making burgers in platforms>Mappy>Joust>Defender>Space Invaders>Tank (the vector 3D one)>Outrun>Rogue>Pinball>Electromechanical games like the racing bike oneI mean, if you can't name at least 5 games from the 70's, you're not a videogame aficionado.
>>583613293you're a pedophile though
>>583612993>making a game>discover it already exists, better, made by a huge team, and it's fucking free. just kill me
i just saw this for the first time lolhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1nio69j/valve_no_longer_allows_postlaunch_nsfw_content/
>>583613415>claude, take every single one of these games and make them into roguelites with quirky anime girls with huge tits talking to me as I play through them
>>583613415all of them are shit and you are retarded fuck you unc
>>583613415>Monkey Island>1970s
>>583613415mystmonkey islandoutrunnethackmore than half your list is not 70s
>mfw I forgot galaga, lode runner and pitfallI'm a fake videogame fan.>>583613589some of them are still great.
>>583613415yeah release any of these games in 2026 and people will call them boring gamedev tutorial games>>583613517calling the dibs on it
>>583613649I do group pre NES era as 70 era games.for me NES era in 80 and SNES is early 90.
>>583613682WROOOONG!!!
>>583609556>genre for retards gets viral on redditlol, lmao even
>>583613906lode runner is great.defender is still great.pacman is still great.
>>583613992incorrect SARR!!! TOO OLD SARRR!!!!
>>583613741Based, I was not even joking, ball x pit was pretty fun overall, and I love asteroid (played a roguelite about it last year actually). I'm thinking missile commander (don't make it mouse aimed), maybe with big physical levers and buttons that are satisfying to push, and a cute anime girl 'handler' type speaking to you over comms. Pacman is shit, idk what people liked about it.Space invaders.... how could you make this fun without just turning it into a shmup?Pinball: the girl loses her clothes as your ball hit score, even better if she's the target
>>583614106you only need to add a story VN arcade mode about cunny harem isekai shit and a clumsy shota warrior.
Progress:Going to take the rest of the day off from me game. Dont want to burnout.
I mean, you can add modern stuff like tech tree, cosmetics, a random dungeon mode, a VN story to space invaders.
>>583613843ok but monkey island came out in 1990
>>583613946>very low res nft-tier art >looks like a phone game>literal slot machine>rogueslop>"defense game"A feast for gamercattle.I'll make sure to put this on my wishlist to support my fellow aidevs in need but i won't ever buy it because money doesn't grow on trees.
>>583614580kinda get messy when you consider 1978-1985 era and is easier to mix them up with 70 era.My point was pre big NES era games, more than an exact 70 list.
>>583614712gaming aficionado indeed.
*luddie muffled screaming*
Can the AI fags provide some tutorial on how they're making sprite animations with AI?
claude cooking tiddy bounce
How come gamedevs pay to remove the Unity watermark but they don't seem to do this for Unreal?What's the big deal?
>>583615063you just ask claude for sprite animations. did that not work for you?
>>583615076out of pure respect to the genius of Tim Sweeney
>>583615319I don't have claude.
claude do ______
>>583615064this is going to be sovl overload. I can feel it.
>>583615063ask claude
>>583614528incremental space invaders, but to be fair someone probably already made that
>>583615063You don't, it's usually shit.My best result has been to get the sprite sheet from gpt (pretty ok but you have to tardwrangle it) and then use google's for animation... but they just removed that offer for free users, so, sucks for you.
>>583615430It's cheaper than netflix. worth a shot for a month and if you don't like it you are only down 20 bucks.
>>583615718I have opus 4.8 on antigravity.
so what happens when the giant companies start panicking about AI stealing their shit? EA, Rockstar, Bethesda, Nintendo, Adobe etc.war?
>>583615826they don't have to worry about it because the marketing + player base + IPs are on their sidewhat they have to do is follow blizzard and jagex and embrace agentic coding so they can use AI to shit out many spinoffs and alt games with their IP to corner every genre's market
>cheaper than netflixniggas paying money to watch movies from a very limited selection (due to regional licensing autism)
>>583615478chat, is this pog?
>>583615932>they don't have to worry about itYou don't think blizzard worries about people decompiling WoW and selling it? private servers etc.? Some russian probably already decompiled it and is selling some custom WoW server only for russians.
>>583615767opus 4.8 is ancient, bro
>>583616120tokens well spent.
>>583616120Tell him to make them biggerBIGGER
>>583615767as far as I have seen, only 5.5 can do the kind of pixel art I've been sharing. takes a lot of tardwrangling, and so is too time consuming to use for anything but shitposts/experiments at the moment. if you just want slop it's probably fine without tardwrangling though.
I mean, we can design arcade combat and mix them up with incremental story mode to progress a VN story.You could make a paman about being a dog trying to stop foxes from eating the eggs and chickens, and have it so at the end of the level you sell the eggs on the level, to afford paying the rent, so your amish cousin in a VN marries you.But is pretty clear agdg lacks enough non AAA gaming to play board and menue games and incrementals.
>>583616243please kill yourself
>>583616120Looks good, except for the OO
>>58361612022 chicuelas!
bro, nobody wants vn, stop itVNs are shitexcept slay the princess, but that one doesn't count and you don't have a 10/10 ost either
>>583616120
>>583616559that's not what the steam data says.
By the way, did you guys know that increasing your game's price from F2P to anything above $0.00 resets your review count because it marks every review until the change as "product received for free"?https://store.steampowered.com/app/2140900/The_Unluckiest_Man/#app_reviews_hash
>>583616674>>583616434
>>583616641No no no, this isn't good enough, 'the comms' should be a rectangle thing with an old analog/cassette-style video feed, think mullet madjack's streamer girl. Yes I'm obsessed with her, how could you tell?
My 16 gmail antigravity accounts will reset by sunday.
>>583616884I made your crush blush.
I haven't even started on the status menu, the item menu, or any menus
>>583616120cris cinematic universe
>>583616994K-KYAAAA!!!Okay the transparent tits kinda kill it tho, but you know what, it's getting there.
>>583614630>sakura kinomoto's househusband>my fellow aidevs
>>583607073Most of it came from investing/gambling on stocks. 5+ years, I threw like 80% of my networth into it. ~$50k networth to about ~$105k networth today.>>583610102Nice graphics, was it hard to achieve?
>>583617257
>>583617257it was in jest, but ai has its uses here and there, you just need human-level restraint
My next AI game will be an AI tournament of chicuelas 512.Basically rounds of 32 chicuelas fighting to the death every time until there's a winner.And make it friendly to twitch streams.
higher supply + same demand = less value
>>583617920the supply of high quality games will remain roughly the same
if the creation of the supply doesn't take you years to make and only costs you a fraction of the costs, that means the value could potentially increase toobut don't let me get in the way of your elementary school understanding of economics, do go on
>i'm making a subpar tranime game using ai
>higher quality due to AI doing boring shit while I do the fun stuff = winner winner chicken dinner
>>583617992it wouldn't be remaining the same even if the number of games released every year were the same
>>583618090you're not making anything nodev and you are ngmi
I mean, I should upload this project to google drive and see some AI brotha making some fangame with these.
the mortan mc is just blonde frieren
>>583618721You have no job, no game or a family or friends? You always post crap here every day
>why would games follow the basic laws of supply and demand just because everything else does?
>>583618721that's an insult to frieren to be frank
>>583618978it's called 'homage', frank.
does anyone know whatever happened to bundev
>>583619258doesn't make it any less of an insult
>>583597889pe'dites do be like that
>>583618721you mean frieren if frieren had sex appeal?yeah
>>583619821
frieren has no sex appeal, you're just into her because she's a loli but you have a legal 'ok' to be into her you faggot, stop coping
>>583620150i prefer short, young women over literal children, thank u very much.
>>583619529he's going on a trip
>>583620430on a pirate ship
So why don't high poly indie games exist? Even in this thread everything is 2D or at best low poly.Are high poly indie games such ancient magic or do they require 5 quadrillion dollars to make?
>>583621061takes 4x as long
How do I get an artist gf to make a game with?
>>583621061agdg can only make pixel art shit or 2D.But I mde this the other day.
>>583621217just bee urself
>>583621061High poly is more like work than fun.
>>583621285>furry outside of /b/
>>583621285
>>583621217I went from being a blackpilled KHHV to Chad Thundercock by doing anabolic steroids and getting tattoed so maybe try that.
>>583622019stop lying to people, muscles don't have that power. tattoos maybe do, idk
>>583622132they absolutely fucking do, women claim they don't like muscle but it's foid cope
I am outspoken on social media against AI, but that's actually a way to get AIphobe luddites to look at my art and play my demos, about 80% AI art and vibe coding lmao. I love getting sincere compliments on my art and it's all I can do to just say "thanks!" without laughing. It feels good, and a little naughty, like I'm getting away with something.
new godot queen just dropped
>>583622351same sis. I also pass as a real artist. getting clocked would ruin my whole week.
>>583621217I believe kanna looks like this irl
>>583622453>"coding">she types '48' into CharacterBody3dI will not bow to this imposter queen.
Did you hear? betz got bullied into make a new channel on his discord for AI games because the anti-ai devs were literally CRYING to him in DMs that they weren’t getting attention anymore. LOOOOOOOLImagine getting so emotional that some AI bros were vibecoding better games than your shit that you have to BEG betz to quarantine them.
give gamers what they want
I should have kept working on my engine, waiting on art isn't fun.
>>583622453>scenes > progression > 03_player_movement > player.gdsomeone explain this folder structure
>>583622895MODS MOOOODS MODDS BAN THE AI CHADS, NO ONE IS GIVING ME ATTENTION ANYMORE WHEN I POST MY SHITTY ONCE A QUARTER UPDATE TO MY STINKY “game”
>>583622895Betz? More like bitchz
>>583621061I despise graphic fidelity.Or rather, I hate photorealism, now of course it means you can do high poly and still get a good art style, but then, why do you need such high definition? It's garbage, it's shit, it used to wow me too. Then I turned 14.There's a million better ways to add details to your game that isn't 'make every texture take 16x the pixels haha'.But that's just me, I know.
>people buy games during steam saleswoah im a tranime believer now
>>583622478im always happy to support a woman of color in game development
>>583622351Damn... maybe I should do that too.
More games that teach morals.
>>583623787>my game was and still is in the 0-9 group even after 2 yearsit's over
>>583623787Now do YouTube videos, Spotify songs, or amazing books.Oh they’re a bajillion times worse.
>>583612840Because I prefer 90s~00s games.
>>583623787lowk where do i sign up for the steam approval department? they must need some manpower for reviewing thousands of slop that would never see the day
>>583623787>263 games per day
most of those 1-10 games look like this lole
>>583616674I didn't know that, it's pretty interesting but not very useful.
https://x.com/KevinPicchi/status/2107497028494450775meanwhile AI chads
meant 0-9anyway, notice anything about these games?https://store.steampowered.com/app/5275630/Midnight_Gunwatch/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5278490/Paws__Patches/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5279370/Zombie_Junction/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5279680/Copperburrow_Company/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5279930/Chromaline_Shuttle/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5284560/Motorbay_Tycoon/https://store.steampowered.com/app/5285660/Iron_Gym_Rival/hint: look at the dev name, publisher name and release date
why do when you see the bottom 90% of games on steam they look like bottom 90% of games?
>>583622958How can I do that?
>>583624573Rust GODS
>>583624784Sloppaaaaaa
>>583624825gamers aren't as stupid as most devs thinkmost have an eye for shovelware, even if they like slop of other kinds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hqv09cffzA
>>583624825Designed for parents buying games for ipad babies? who cares
I sometimes wonder how relatively unknown shareware games would do on Steam.
>>583624784>It cost them 700€ to put all of these on Steam>It cost them AI sub to prompt all of theseNo way people are buying this shit and they make back their money right?Like why do they try this? Do they really think they'll even make a single sale?
>>583625738I put them on because you guys told me it's a lottery ticket, so I bought lots of tickets. one of these will go viral and then cris and I can get married
>only the number of shitty games is increasing>for some reason only shitty gamedevs are increasing their output while competent devs work at the same speed and release the same number of games at the same level of quality>somehow
>>583625858Blackpill: Lotteries aren't luck they're all rigged
>>583625738>Like why do they try this?
>>583625858gambler's fallacy, you aren't "owed" a win my retard.
>>583567394>>583575760>>583578595>>583587706>>583587868>>583600050>>583622895>>583623339>Betzit's Buttz, Smelldon Buttz to be precise
>>583626227>>583626027I will get the last laugh as I lift cris's veil.
>>583626195You telling me people buy game key lootboxes? Are people this retarded?
https://x.com/Lina_Hoshino/status/2107489692409385274the usual suspects are mad at free software
>>583622958I need to start working on that witch loli player model soon.
>>583622958>buying Hogwarts when Timmy already gave it away for freeAre people this retarded?
>>583626440I am literally saving 97% by buying 5 VIP keys. VIP most likely stands for AAA.Can you blame me for being a smart customer?
>>583626506doesn't really work though
>>583626832It was given for free for a limited time, not everyone had the opportunity to redeem it sir
>>583626440huge in asia
>>583627010yeah the retards missed it, that's what I just said
>>583603475Hang in there. Maybe you'll find a girlfriend at work and your life will turn out better than if you had a successful game
>>583627143No sir you don't understand even non retards can not have had the opportunity to redeem it sir
I'm giving up on godot.I sent the order, everything's going to UE5...Surely everything will work out just fine.
>>583627450>he doesn't know we're already moving on to UE6 leaving him behind like a loser
>Th-that's a big batch
>>583627723>UE6 is going to have trash performance and stuttering and horrible tooling for 3-4 years.I'm fine with this choice.
I like how the one 1-star review that somehow slipped into the very heavily curated review section has all the upvotes, while the 5-stars are being downvoted.It's a muffled scream trying to warn others of this obvious scam.
>>583627827Speaking of muffled cries for help, did you know that 4chan's tripcode name system was never intended to be used by desperate attention seeking faggots?
>>583627806nice Blueprint faggotdid your mommy make it for you?
>>583628169>more blueprint retardationit seems you're the one that didn't get the memo, claude doesn't need blueprints, I'll be fine
>>583571332What do you do for a living? Where do you get money from? Dumb wagie goycattle.
>>583628719I'm living life in easy mode being a producer for one of the big boys and working from home in a non-californian country with californian money.Sucks to be you tho...
>>583628932>being a producer
>>583628932ok diddy blud ahh epstein
Fygoon was right, you're all losers with self limiting beliefs
*plants the frydarian flag*yep this thread belongs to 'goony now
>>583626832>using the epic games launcherNo sorry. I have games from like 8 years ago on there but I've never played a single one of them because I can't be bothered. I already have all my playtime and history on Steam so I would rather no divvy it up anyway.
>be me>watching a saved vid of a livestream>some random comment asking when he will play Wasteland Bites againLol. Must feel nice having your own game recommended. Comfy even
>>583622351Kek!>>583622453Why does this look like Bokube using AI to make himself look like a chubby girl version of himself?>>583622958D: ugh all those pics were genderbent Malfoy AIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>583630672>Wasteland BitesI'll check that one out, thanks.Also ...kannadev, is this you?>>>/ck/22230435>>>/ck/22230456>>>/ck/22230467>>>/ck/22230488that was fucking BRVTAL
Considering giving up the mobile project and swallow the desktop pill. Seems all the success is on steam, I don't see anyone is going for play store.
I haven't played a mobile game since 2011
>>583615063all birds should wear hats>>583622453when I see tik toks and short form content I want to hurt myself and the people around me. Badly ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1-WmITJqBkThis is the first video where I feel I can understand what is the guy actually trying to explain how sound design and synths works.
>>583631159the big money is from play store you just have to make the game free with ads, aim for the indian crowds
the gossip goblin but tranime version will one day appear, its only a matter of time (and money, and skill)
>>583631159It seems to me the meta is web mobile apps.Something like a mixture of web html portal distribution as first customer funnel, then provide a way to funnel into a mobile game or itch.io demos, then use that to funnel to steam desktop game.
>>583631608I've played 770 hours of mobile gacha this year
>>583622453>queen>>583630934>Why does this look like Bokube using AI to make himself look like a chubby girl version of himself?>
>>583631862name one game that does this
what cris would be doing if japan didnt exist?
>>583633180honestly dunno.but my idea is to use a free web and mobile game as funnel to the steam game.
>>583633386he'd be a russophile
My demo is finally achieving playability and it might not be as fun as I imagined....
what spells and abilities would a cum witch have
>>583633386>>583634030I do honestly admire russians, chinese, iberians, germans, french, italians and anglos.My second biggest influence after japan is baroque and renaissance stuff.
>>583635497Cum golems
>>583630593>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY HECKIN PLAYTIME AND HISTORY!!!!! HOW WILL MY IMAGINARY INTERNET TOMODACHIS KNOW WHAT JAPANESE CARTOON GAMES I LIKE TO PLAY IF THEY CAN'T SEEMY FRICKIN STICKERS AND BADGES I WORKED SO HARD TO BUY!!!???
uh oh, timmy meltie
little luddie how are you holding up? every day you watch AI chads make 'gressare you okay luddie, luddie are you okay?
>UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ACKSHUALLY I CAN DEAL WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO SPEND MY HARD EARNED STEAM POINTS ON LE HECKIN AVATAR PICTURE FRAMES, BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO ADD MY FAVORITE JAPANESE TRANIME HENTAI DICKGIRL CARTOON CHARACTER MODEL TO YOUR VIDEO GAME IS A FRIGGIN DEAL BREAKER!!!
since my game has intentionally shit graphics to begin with, what if this was my actual unironic hair creator?
>the urges are back
no progress today since it was my birthday
>>583637712>intentionally shit graphicslooks like the average Japanese cartoon
>>583637973happy 40th birthday ma'am
>>583635785you admire some of the worst people on earth that made your life shit?
>>583638968I do admire tn-shi which is actually british.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF4GH_6UEcUGuy powerlevel actually motvated me a lot to improve my skills.lol.
I just had this idea, and after research it has gone untackled. Which means my progs posts will not be as often, as I can't let you cunts know and send your army of clankers.
How does this look? I still need to replace the sprite for the coin (right above the character's head).
>>583634360Many such cases!I'm sorry to hear it, not much is working out of me either in that front
>>583638310>happy 40th birthday ma'amthanks
>>583639679
>>583639679lacks depth
not everyone can be a kanna dev
How do we make runadev abandon OF and comeback to gamedev?
How does Branno record videos without any headphones on? He has no way to hear himself in real time.
In a turn-based JRPG, if you can't make any moves, should you immediately lose, or should you be forced to wait until the enemy has actually KO'd your entire party?
>take the aipill>the aipilli asked for a simple shadergraph and it output pure bullshit
I have no game ideas.
>>583643491Ask a real model not grok or whatever retard this is
>>583643661
>>583643661I genuinely dont know how this is possible.
It seems I am running out of options to make my games.Godot is too heavy and GDevelop is too limited.What I need is something like a framework.Hopefully I can use libgdx, since that's the one I have a bit of experience back when it was popular and godot didn't exist.
>>583644158You probably want 3js
>>583644252I want something that can be ported to linux, windows, html and android.
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>>583643839opus is pretty retarded, i agree. what kind of ai would use 2000 nodes for something simple
>>583644150Complete an actual game and you'll get it. Everything I think of, I just know:1) Another game did it better2) It involves too many art assets I can't create myself4) it's not marketable
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>>583641607Her kind is where she belongs
