>Blizzard’s new version of World of Warcraft, based on its original 2004 release. Currently in beta, it will feature more than 1,000 new quests, nine new dungeons, new race/class combinations including Undead Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, and more. Level 60 will remain the maximum level cap forever.>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696>Talent Calculatorhttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app>When is it being released?November 4thName reservations on October 27th.>Beta GuildsType /who g-"Guild name" to see who's online, whisper anyone for an invite, or ask in thread.<wowfg> - PvP, Horde (EU)<Little Space> - PvP, Alliance (NA)<Lemon Party> - PvE, Alliance (NA)>Previous Thread>>583513441
SPEAKS VOLUMES.SHUTITDOWNPLUSITUP
What will launch day be like?
>>583540661forevertrannies, explain yourselves
>>583540661holy cringe
this is what wow forever feels like, just 20yrs later
spamming your own reddit posts again huh
>PLUS>IT>UP
give me arguments for playing either faction on rp server (so pvp racials don't matter)
well, whats forevers answer?
>>583540918pvp
>>583541063>rogue
>>583540918Make another character. However the REAL answer is fucking play literally anything else untill it releases officially so you don't burn out before it's full release.
>>583541083not my fault you didn't choose an end goal
>>583540918Go picking pockets in new areas, see if new pockets have new contents.Practice dueling to get more adjusted and experienced with 1 vs 1.Form a group to go into the new Darkspear BG.Run dungeons with guildies/friends to either help get more geared allies, or to gather mats for professions.Go emotionally berate and break down a Skyborne shaman until they latch onto you for a free pocket healer + sacrifice.Stealth-explore new areas like Riverlands, Shen'dalar, Hyjal.Check out Ravenholdt and see if there's anything new / check if SoD left the dark meteor location or not.
>>583540661
>>583541196>Go picking pockets in new areas, see if new pockets have new contents.>he doesnt know about the debuff
>>583540918as a rogue? sneak into the enemy capital city, become a serial killer and gank as many people as you can until the enemy creates a hunting party to track you down. also distract n00bs to their deaths in thousand needles
>>583541212>we
>>583541368>also distract n00bs to their deaths in thousand needleskek forgot about that one
If having bg queues while in the world is "retail" then spamming dungeons is "era".Go back to era.
RIP Nate Higgers
>spellpower+flametongue is way more dps than full bis windfury with the new quest macehow are enha totem slaves going to cope with this?
Do guilds in this game offer any kind of buffs themselves or is it strictly just to be in a group of people?
>>583541368>also distract n00bs to their deaths in thousand needlesanyone can do that now with the booty bay gun that has a 10 minute cd. can even be the same faction
https://files.catbox.moe/invu8p.mp3
>>583540732Retoilet forever
>>583541667im a little worried that alliance will have a massive shortage. shaman is probably my 2nd most played class in wow, but i cant stand vanilla/tbc shaman
I will keep posting about the state of ele shaman until lava burst is REMOVED.
>>583541840What in the Reel Big Fish is this bullshit
>>583540802this was so shit. they're not even looking in the same direction while it is very heavily implied that they are, even if you'd never seen the original version.
>look at a brand new quest added in WoW Forever>it's lolsorandumb millennial writingThis keeps fucking happening.
>>583541840is this a wowfg original?
>>583542202This shitpost has gone stale, think of another
>>583542202this... so much this... they need to fire whatever blue hair wrote this BS!! I am typing in asmons chat right now, we can get through this together fellow chuds, trust the plan, two more patches, patriots are in control
how do I get cute boys to play with me
>>583542202>guys they've brought chris metzen back, the og, trust he's gonna write a good expansion now
>>583542000>>583542297One of the best things that came out of these threads for sure.
the beta is fucking dead theres nothing to dothe new dungeon fucking sucks and has terrible loot
>>583542202Is this some nublizz stan bsky-reddit-trooncord-esque way to cope?
>>583542585wish they had 1-60 out. i want a full leveling guide to just mindlessly follow
>>583542202Excellent
>to craft level 30 tailoring blues you need a spinning wheel>spinning wheel is random drop from dungeons>after 3 weeks of beta not a single one has been found>the other camp recipes (like the fishing rack) are also extremely low droprate, at one point there was only 1 on the AH for 100g+>they expect us to get this at level 20-30What the fuck why are the droprates for this so cancer? They want crafting to matter while leveling, but only if you cap your xp gain and then spend 30 hours dungeon farming?
>>583541805>can even be the same factionholy fuck imagine the HC griefing
>>583542391Just bee yourself
>settled on Druid>look at shamans>mail is the coolest armor type in vanilla>the new 30 quest is cool af>they’re probably not as gimped as vanilla shamans while still holding on to the 1shot wfFUCKI would totally roll one if alliance skelfs could be shammies but i dont wanna be a dorf and i dont wanna be a fucking no shoe
>>583542771both shit options, the dev wants you to play rogue
>>583542669>Forever™>"NOOOO WHY CAN'T I FARM EVERYTHIN MYSELF IN ONE WEEK?????????????"
>>583542585>new dungeon sucksAre you high? The Jurassic park 2 boss is one of the coolest fucking encounters in a vanilla dungeon ever
>you know what our new version of Classic WoW needs? a reference to interracial cuckold porn!
>>583542669>they expect us to get this at level 20-30the obviously don't
>>583542868I wonder if they would ban names like Cope Sneed or Levi Longpickle even
>>583542868>dungeon rapes tanks>tanks dont run itgood job blizz
>>583541840this is amazing
>>583542821>being a metafaggot in a game called “forever”On a seperate note i think it’s imperative for the games longevity to have a creator server cluster to get YouTubers and streamers to fuck off to a containment server
>>583542887that's it, I'm refunding the beta
>>583540732wtf actually is this lol
Every quest text could be a modern pop culture reference and talking about how the giver wants to dilate in-between their BLM marches. I wouldn't know because I don't read quests.
>>583542868what does the little symbol next to Cope Sneed mean?
>>583542391best I can do is middle aged hairy fat men pretending to be cute female elves with cocks.
>>583543117its means the group is friendly to noobs
>>583543067The problem isn't whether or not they kill themselves, they do. The problem is that they groom and create new ones before they do.
horde NEED vulpera or its a dead faction
wow jsut like a disney princess movie!
>>583540802haha, lucas you stupid hack!!!!
>>583543067One can dream
>>583542887>not el gran pollo negroCowards.
>>583543097To be fair half of vanilla-cata quests are littered if not literally named after pop culture references
>>583543206thanks
>>583543259Dood... what is this wokeslop disneyslop troonslop!? They put the fucking disney world magic castle in the game!!!!!1!!!
>>583543362PLUS IT UP SIS!
>>583540556Anons? I'm done with my class/race combinations, any suggestions? (I have OCD, I need each race at least once)Getting a perfect class for the Tauren is really difficult, I don't want a bulky tauren as druid heal, just like with the shaman, I prefer Skelf bitches as heal. And I'm still uncertain on my Priest pick on Alliance...
>>583543339I'm still fucking mad about Uldum. Hopefully Forever does it better.
>>583543385Trying too hard trooner
Rate my forever lineup PvP btwSkelf balance Druid ADwarf Shammy Human MageHuman polearm only survival hunterSeparate account Troll WarlockTroll PriestOrc Rogue
>>583543460We have leaked concept art of the people who live in Forever Uldum... it's looking pozzed in the neghole...
>>583543423>You're such a gay cocksucking lil faggot
>>583543259I dunno I thought my character doing a full musical number was pretty cool
>>583541368>also distract n00bs to their deaths in thousand needlesfigured I'd beta test it rq
>>583543423>Alliance portraits facing right like the PCs>horde portraits facing left like the NPCsSpeaks volumes.
Did non-stun ccs always last this longroots are like 20 seconds and sap/sheep are 40 seconds goddamn
>>583543067>>583543362>>583543478>>583543586this guy might be unironically schizophrenic
>>583543556if campfires were nerfed how does still griefing mechanic still exist
>>583543460All I wanted from it was sexy ancient Egypt themed armors.No way we are getting that.If anything it's going to add more of the sky elf lore bullshit to make them heckin valid.
>>583543423that is AWOT of charactors. You think WoW Fogever will be this alt friendly?
I LOVE MALE GNOLLS
>>583543508It's alright, I just don't like the Troll Priest and Orc Rogue.>>583543521>>I just wanted to make it easy on your eyes... now r8
>>583543608The 10 second cap is TBC change. In vanilla there's a heartbeat CC where every second you have a chance to break it.
>>583543508Gay/5
>>583540918parse runs
>>583543246TRUE! Vulpera run the horde!
>>583543586>not screencapping the part where all these wonderful "girls" went to play XIV because blizzard was poopoo during the supposed Cosby suite scandal era
>>583543516It's only expected that niggers live in africa, isn't it?
Replace Vulperas with Yordles then we can talk.
>this guy might be unironically schizophrenic
>>583543630i think its just indianit certainly talks like one
>go to dungeon>open group finder>join group>half the party is 3 zones awaySTOP DOING THIS SHIT YOU RETARDED NIGGER MONKEYS!!!! BE NEAR THE FUCKING ENTRANCE BEFORE JOINING A GROUP! THIS ISN'T VANILLA WE HAVE A PROPER GROUP FINDER AND REALMLESS WITH INFINITE PLAYERS! YOU DON'T NEED TO SLOWLY FORM A GROUP WHILE QUESTING THEN ALL RUN TO THE DUNGEON! STOP WASTING EVERYONES TIME YOU BRAINLESS BROWN FUCKS!!!!!!!
Alright faggots. Most efficient way post isles to blast through durotar with new shit? ( Warrior and Hunter leveling together)Encroachment (tame boar) > Razor Hill > Harpies > Naga (Tame surf crawler) > Razor Hill > Warrior class quest pick up > Kron amulet ( Tame Scorpid> Fizzle and Lightning hides > Razor hill > Orgrimmar (grab poison quest and others > burning cave and sea giant > orgrimmar and then outR8
>>583543667Damn boy what that tongue do?
>>583543630Why haven't you killed yourself yet
>>583543837Should've asked general chat in that zone
>>583543837thats just dps sissy life because it takes them an hour to find a group
>>583543516How are people living inside a titan lab that's been sealed shut for millennia (fuck the Cata lore)?
why the FUCK are there roaties in my gameshouldnt's this bitch be some fruit or something??
>>583544002its for the gooners
How tf do you manage hunter threat without disengage? Im constantly getting aggro. I cant even auto-attack without getting aggro. Fucking useless pets.Disengage works but you lose dps cus u enter melee and then ur draining mana
>>583544002who knows, its retail so it could be
>>583544065kite
why is wowfg obsessed with trannies
>>583543837if you can't take a 10 minute breather for people to gather then form the fucking group yourself
>>583544179>why is wowfg obsessed with trannies
>>5835441791 person*
>>583541840moments like this a man can't help but like AI>>583542000Reel Big Fish man... driving to the mall listening to Cheer Up! cover to cover. thems was the times man, thems was the times
>>583544179trannys are ruining the world
>>583543929Anon posts a random ass image and you immediately think it's "official concept art for people of Uldum"?
>>583544179>>583544251i'd rather play with trannies than a dumb fucking chud
>>583544409t. tranny
>>583542202>game made to target millenials>correctly targets millenialswe're home fellasyou got more or is this a recycled redditpost like the kids love to spam these days?
Where is he
>>583543663>You think WoW Fogever will be this alt friendly?I mean the legacy system encourages twinks and we will play this FOREVER. But yeah, I won't play Horde & Alliance. I'll stick to one faction.
>>583544409ewww
Chances they add this in Forever?
>>583544179The walls are talking to one person.
>this is the "fixed" version of the wolf
>>583544445Its a shitpost trend>Post screenshot of a vanilla quest>Claim it was added recently>(You)s galore
>>583544424don't you have an asmongold discord you can post in chuddy?
>>583543837>join group for wetlands dungeon as horde>2 dps in group are in hammerfall>... on the pvp server>leave and immediately find another group with everyone present100% we finished the whole dungeon before that other group got those 2 guys to show up. I fully agree that these classicfags who join groups while nowhere near the dungeon can go fuck themselves.
And now hes arguing with himself
This thread is trooned the fuck up. For me, it's X.com.
>>583544002>
>>583544205your mental illness is making the thread a worse place
>>583543508>Separate accountWhy?
>>583544179same reason conservatives are obsessed with fags
>>583544563sounds like your cortisol is spiking, roach
>>583540827Deku...
>>583544508soulful, can dig it
>>583543067now that donald has normalized the word trannie it's guaranteed.
>>583544482they are fucking lazy, if they cant market it, they wont add it
Who is nate higgers?
Has anyone here had a run-in with an annoying tranny named Vanella Ketamine?
>>583544678I think anyone that has that kind of reaction image saved and ready to go is probably a pretty miserable piece of shit
>>583544482Exploring all these lands where all these different factions and people come from seems obvious.Sort of like making high elves playable, which means they will make up some retarded bullshit instead.
>>583544563Fallout is still going for a while and it had a gay couple in it
Are they really going to add High Elves now that Skyborne are pretty much confirmed to be High Elves?
>>583544754
>>583544232If people are joining while within the same zone it wouldn't be an issue. But these faggots are getting into dungeon groups while on a completely fucking separate continent and expecting everyone to wait half an hour for their ass to get their.
>>583544754firstborn son of Nang Higgersbeloved beloved sibling of adopted brother Nynch Liggersmay his soul rest in peace RIP Nate
>>583544754olympus officer
>>583544789why is it a Hasan reaction?
>>583544743>Pirate isle raidMarketable as fuck
>>583544503Left one is shaman ghost wolf (new)Right one is the ancient "ghost wolf" which has been in the game since vanilla that a hunter tamed.
>>583544743How isn't it marketable? Put it in a patch alongside Gillijim's Isle, the Island of Dr. Lapidis and the Lost Isles, it'd be the only one they have to make from scratch.
>>583544852Skelves where such a last minute replacement for High Elves that NPCs that call you by your race still call Skelves "High Elf" ingame.
>>583544865yeah because maybe I'm questing and don't know how long it will take to form a group? It's not my problem you're sitting on your ass outside the instance portal expecting the world to service you
>>583544926you're shadowing boxxing trannies and pedophiles that don't exist anoni hope you find something more fulfilling to do in life one day
>>583544964If you are busy questing then why are you joining dungeon groups?
If they made high elves playable they'd have to make lore as to why they arent all dead and dying after the sunwell exploded right?
>>583544959it pisses me off to no end that they had high elves in Northshire ready to go and fucking Metzan walked in and told them it was boring and to do something newhe fucked up draenei in TBC by not giving broken and now he's fucked up Forever with dumb fucking skelf shit
>>583544879pirates are fucking gay>>583545051they had their own sunwell...in the sky. a skywell if you will
>>583545047I'm questing while I wait for the dungeon group to form, are you retarded?
>>583545123Bro we're living in the post Pirates of the Caribbean world, pirates are cool as fuck.
So I have to pay for a loicense to ride a mount and also the mount at 40? That's kinda gay tbhdesu but I guess I'll have to actually make money and not spend it all on stupid shit as soon as I get it.
>>583545234Just mindlessly dumping shit in AH will get you to close to 100g by 40. Quests also start giving massively more gold after that so you'll have it by 44 at the latest.
>>583545051They have lore to explain why there's suddenly a large number of High Elves on Azeroth, whether they pull the lever and butcher Classic with it is another question entirely.https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Arathi_Empirehttps://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Arathihttps://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Hallowfall_Arathi
Any druids know how essential war stomp is pvp-wise? if I go sky elf druid will i really regret it? i don't like tauren.
>>583545234yes getting a mount is meant to be a big deal, a lot of people don't manage it until later 40s or 50s.
>>583545108From what we know it seems like the Forever devs where running out of time and had to ask Metzen to help make an elf race that could be on both factions and a disconnected starting zone that the retail team could quickly cobble together for them. They couldn't get the High Elf + whatever elf was planned for Horde ready in time for launch and the higherups clearly demanded elves MUST be in at launch to sell the bundle.
troll or undead warlock?
>>583545326GET THIS UGLY STUPID NIGGER BITCH OFF THE THREAD
>>583545051>>583545326You just say that some high elves survived and are learning to live without the sunwell, who cares. And for lore purposes there aren't many high elves left even if theyd be the most populace ally race by player count
>>583545383troll
>>583545183Are YOU retarded? Groups form near instantly on Forever. You don't need to slowly form one through general chat over the course of several hours anymore. You are just trolling the rest of your group by looking for a dungeon party while nowhere near the dungeon.
>>583545316Yee I don't think that'll be too bad in general>>583545348I don't mind it being a big deal, I still have fun running around. I'll just have to make sure I don't spend 5+ gold on random gear at the AH that I don't even need on launch.
It's impossible to have a cool name with the two name setup. It's almost always an unfunny meme, some sex shit, a reference, or a cringe lore accurate rp name
>>583545369they could've just thrown foresaken elves into the undead starting areathey STILL could've charged money and sold wellhell I bet high elf + undead elf pack would have sold even more
>>583540732Man, they made Mankrik’s wife a story about mass migration, the vigor of savage immigrants and the small minded laziness of….Orcs. >your dead wife lectures you on diversity and admires her nigger murderer. That is the gayest most Nu-Blizzard bullshit I have ever seen.
>>583545461I sure as fuck hope impatient retail brained retards like yourself are in the minority.
>>583543423Nonono, you need a character of every race, class, and gender combo. Don't give me any of that barbershop BS either, unless you can really come up with an androgynous name for~64 characters.
>>583545440>I hate consistency
>>583545548Im not really sure why troons are so obsessed with Forever desu. Just because it’s the new thing all the streamers are playing? Or they feel threatened by it for whatever dumb reason they might have. Trannies are mentally unstable and militant about the dumbest shit.
Why is every new quest they added retail codedHappy go lucky friendship is magic dialogueAll of zephras isle is retail design
Ways to improve the skelves:>horde skelves can't have white skin, they're all blue and red (black)>alliance skelves can "race change" to high elves by reaching exalted with a new Silvermoon Remnant faction>skelves use the night elf skeleton and animations instead of the blood elf ones>players that reach exalted with their respective faction's skelf reputation unlock the ability to do a long quest chain which lets them create skelven characters of their respective faction for free
>>583545618They will be, but ITT they won’t be.
>>583540918stand invisible on the opposing factions flight master in booty bay, and help the booty bay bruisers earn their namesake.
>>583545525Likely a similar situation to Goblins getting cut from Horde in vanilla because they didn't have time to give them an extravagant starting zone. They likely wanted to give High Elves something special since it's been the most requested race in the games history.
Wow forever is retail so why are people still using retail as a insult?
>>583545881For one, Forever threatens to undermine everything Retail has done in recent years
>>583545935Look at this one, it reeks of retoilet
I’m in a group of 3, me and one guy both want to play rogue. What class do I need to convince the 3rd to be so that our party doesn’t fall apart from double rogue.
Did they give this lil stinker a hat? He doesn't have one on non-forever wowhead...
>>583545997How is it undermining retail by being made for retail players?
Is there any 20-30 guide/addon yet? Leaked rxp?
Forever is going to up the difficulty of later dungeons and raids, not mythic+ level, but the standard of your average heroic 5 man dungeonSo it might still be too difficult for your average classic player but still feel rewarding
I wonder if this is just a committed bit to making doomers look as bad as possible
>>583546073feral druid
>>583546073triple rogue is based
>>583540827that arthas looks a lot like the gnome i'll be playing on launch
>>583546219That’s good to know because most likely the 3rd guy won’t listen to me and will end up picking rogue as well.
>schizo seeing trannies everywhere and showing everyone he has an entire folder full of transexual people picturesvery disturbing, only in wow-f I guess
>>583546073Druid, that way you have a healer but all three of you still have stealth so you can skip stuff easily
>>583545997if they were capable of being honest with themselves even they would admit they hate Midnight. But that would mean faggots and liberal women dont write good stories which would crush their world view. So they have to permanently pretend retail is good and try to make sure everything stays equally as gay, soulless and retarded.
>>583546073Two druids and a rogue opens up some really good stealth dungeon farms and you can ninja cap the Aid Station like five minutes into a match of AV.
>>583545326Care to explain what lore you're talking about?
>>583546136I could see them adding a "5 man progression" track that goes alongside the raids, so you have Dungeon Set 1 and 2 dungeons, then Dungeon Set 3 and 4 dungeons, and so on and so on, with each new tier of dungeons being harder than the last.I really hope they don't do difficulty modes, I think they're dumb, lazy and immersion breaking. Why have it so you can fight the same exact enemies and they're completely different mechanically?
>>583546219genuinely
>>583546265True and real
>>583545618>erm just be PATIENT okay?>stop to smell the flowers>I know I signed up for SFK while in the crossroads, but just be LE PATIENT>I know we don't have a lock but you just gotta be better humans, okay?>it's about the journey bro>WTF WHY DID I GET KICKED FROM GROUP? FUCKING RETOILET PLAYERS CAN'T WAIT 40 MINUTES? WTF MUH JOURNEY #NOCHANGES
Where are all the quests for level 25?
>>583546415so like a mythic+ but harder 5 mans for the people that enjoy the smaller form content?
>>583546482Split between Southern Barrens, Ashenvale, Stonetalon and Hillsbarad, for Horde at least.
Which faction is tranny and which faction is chud?
>>583546459No fuckwit, none of that, I, like most players, just want to quest while we wait for group to form.If you're sitting at the portal and can't wait 5 fucking minutes, form your own group.
>>583542936Just play on Roleplay Server
>>583546220>Mini Menethil
>>583546554well whatever asmongold goes is chud
>>583543508by the time you get 1/3 of the way through character #2 you'll be burnt bro, despite what people are saying this isn't retail, the devs are getting more and more hostile towards any kind of efficient way to play this game
>>583546101It decanonizes Retail and there's alarmingly few nigger Arathors.
>>583546487No. Like how Dire Maul released as a patch and had gear that was better than the original endgame dungeons and encounters that were harder than the original endgame dungeons. Release a Dire Maul alongside each new raid tier that launches. SoD did this fairly well with Demon Fall Canyon but screwed the pooch by having the next new dungeon, Karazhan Crypts, drop gear that was required to do Naxx.
why are priests allowed to heal from 0 to 100 with a single penance
>>583543837Another good reason to be a Warlock Chad
>>583546705hybrid tax
>retarded trannies posting vanilla quests and claiming they're shitty WoW Forever writing>as if it's not immediately obvious because it doesn't have HR-approved tranny writing tropes
>>583546872KINDA do be like that though
>>583546387In retail lore, they revealed that thousands of years ago high elves and humans from Quel'thalas and Arathor travelled to a hidden continent and turned it into an interracial breeding ground and created the World of Warcraft equivalent of the Bretons from The Elder Scrolls, "half-elves" that aren't really half-elves. All they'd have to do is take that concept and twist it so that there's an offshoot group that remained as pure high elves.
>>583546056Is this some reddit tranny brigade or you the sole desperate retard who took it upon himself to post this kind of thing over and over?
>>583547120blizztroon probably
>>583547120Why would a tranny attack Forever? Forever is Classic for trannies.
>Achievement>Cutting Edge: 60>Reach level 60 before December 9th>Cutting Edge: Onyxia>Kill Onyxia within the first raid lockoutetc
>>583547120Obsessed trannies trying to bait people into believing that select Vanilla quests are modern inclusions which they want to then use as justification that "wow has always been trans/gay/marvel quippy" so more of them should be added in in Forever
WoW
>>583547328WoW has always had shitty fucking writing, nobody plays it for the writing or the story, they play it for the gameplay, the environments and the social aspect.
>>583547120it is 100% a chud who is obesssed with trannies making it everyone elses problem
What the fuck are blue elves
>>583547205He is not?He's performing this weird falseflag op by picking select vanilla meme quests and attempts to gaslight people into believing they're newly added along those reddit leftoid tranny-coded quests (or the revisited ones, see Mankrik's wife).
>>583547339It's nice but ever since someone pointed out they couldn't get the lightning to work across the entire sky, so the sun now rises and sets in the east in the same place, I can't unsee it and it pisses me off.
>>583547328correct on everything except the motivation, its just to ragebait people
The powercreep in Forever is fucking insane. You should NOT be able to get weapons like this at lvl 29.
>>583547563enough, you ribald swarthy troon!
>>583547472Elves that are blue
>>583547339bruh I got literal chills from this photo....
>>583547472They are highborne exiles that just happened to evolve to be exactly like high elves, and everyone in game calls them high elves, but they are definitely NOT high elves>>583547563yes it's going to feel like shit doing wotlk damage by the time molten core comes around, I don';t know why they had to rework itemization altogether when it was fine in vanilla
>dont like the wow forever updates? fuck off back to era
>>583547392The issue is more about the overall tone and not having everything be fucking disneyfied
>>583547472Yooo listed up...
>>583546965Isn't this the same thing as the sky elves with a few steps mixed around
>>583547637>They are highborne exiles that just happened to evolve to be exactly like high elves, and everyone in game calls them high elves, but they are definitely NOT high elves...but they're blue. pretty different from high elves, I don't know...
>Troon plot gets recognized and outed >"But why do you care???" Every time
>>583547563Oh fuck off 'niller faggot. Go back to era.
>>583547563tranny
>>583547637>yes it's going to feel like shit doing wotlk damage by the time molten core comes around, I don';t know why they had to rework itemization altogether when it was fine in vanillaTrue. Like picrel is a lvl 25 quest reward ffs. 18 agi item at lvl 25 just for turning in a quest. It's the kind of stats you'd get on T1 items in vanilla.
>>583547472sexy ladies who make everyone seethe, love 'em
>>583547702Skelves are Highborne that sailed west instead of east, Arathi are mutts descended from High Elves and Human Men who sailed even further east. Theoretically they could have came in contact, but the Skelves are a far older radiation, from the same wave that created the High Elves.
>>583547637>play a warrior>get a new weapon>time to pvmp>play a mage>get a new weapon or gear>its whatevernow they nerfed all your spells so when you get that +spellpower upgrade its actually meaningful
Problems?>GO>BACK>2>ERAForever is NOT FOR YOU, LEAVE!
Holy fuck we're going to be doing wotlk damage by mc if this keeps up
>still cant decide what to play on release It's over. Go on without me...
>>583547816and takes hours to do
didnt realize you could make a hot troll
>>583547956Go back to era then fuggen chud
>>583547472A justification for having future raids, dungeons and zones be floating islands.
>>583547718wowfg will never have this much soul
The original vanilla WoW team.Notice anything?
>>583547946It's almost the exact same stats as mage T1 helm wtf.
>>583548085Not fat enough. Fat, ugly slobs make the best video games.
>>583548085>only 3 womenMust have been a shit period, men can't into worldbuilding
>WoW Forever anons fap folders: loli, feet, furries and shemalesThis product has a bright future ahead.
>>583547634I got literal chills from this photo....*edit* thank you for the reddit gold kind stranger!
>>583547987Now show the jew nose from the side. But yeah fem trolls are kinda sexy ngl.
What's the safest place to get firefin snapper/stonescale eel pools that doesn't require water walking? Too many mobs in STV
>>583548214aw dood
>>583548169I fap to tasteful lewd fantasy art doever. I also filter all catbox links, improves the thread dramatically.
>>583548158Very nice, now post "where are they now".
>>583548214AT LVL 18?????????????? No fucking way bro. You're supposed to have white items at that level.
>>583548085fatsos, weirdos, beardos, wimpsno WARRIORS
>>583547940except they clearly did the math for this at 60 and not for leveling, leveling any kind of caster is fucking shit right now
>>583548054man...this doesnt feel very classic...
IT HAS TO SUCCEED. IT HAS TOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>583548379no troons actuallythey did not exist back then
>>583548217We love big nosed girls
>>583548158the only thing making my life actively worse a dumb fucking chuds who won't shut the fuck up about trannies
What's the highest burst dps rogue spec now that CC rogue is practically dead from layering and they completely ruined backstab?
I>>583548214Aw dude
>>583540661>>583540732I have never read the quest text on any quest ever and I don't intend to start now
>>583548453A big nose can definitely be sexy on a woman. But it has to be straight, none of that jew stuff.
>>583548278based
>>583548395Well yeah, that's concept art from Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn, the inspiration for Forever
>>583548486explain how rogue is dead from layering so I can get angry and call you retarded
>>583547946>>583548080>>583548214>I'm okay with stat and damage bloat>doing 100k crits is based not retarded
>>583548169straight jorking it to xiv modbeasts
>>583548497>I have never read the quest text on any quest ever and I don't intend to start nowIt's for you, king.
>>583548382yes and thats ok because youll spent the majority of your playtime at max or offline.
americans woke upexpecrt this thread to be nothing but tranny tranny tranny for the next 16 hours
>>583548578I'm level 25 I don't know what you want from me
>>583548662>americans woke upIt's 2 AM
>>583548578These stats are bloated out the ass what were they thinking
>>583548703theyre unemployed neets
We have to be better consumers.
>>583548214Holy shit is that 4 stam 4 strength leather belt level 18?
>>583548085how many of them are trans now?
>>583548568how am i supposed to do my painstaking gouge sap blind reset 2 minute fights if theres guaranteed to always be this insane amount of people around due to megaservers and layering
>>583548650r14 weapons were actually a problem thoughbeitsee anni and the 20+ warriors per raid with GM/HW swords or axes
>Blizz Employee seethinglmao.
what class is oj simpson? arms warrior?
How about you Foreverpvp these nuts you noob
>>583548721show something that actually has retarded bloat
Lore question: why did the high elves become smaller and white if they're descended from the night elves
!!!HAPPENING!!!LEDDITOR DISCOVERS ANOTHER RETROON'D QUEST
>>583547946Do these stats really matter if no spell damage or healing is attached to it?
>>583548812
>>583548169replace f**t with beast and sure
rogues with their lvl 30 quest can go in to SMelites are friendly with the quest itemthey can open all chests insidereset instancerepeat lol
>>583548662I dont think the spam has ever stopped for any decent amount of time for days
>>583548898Implying anybody is going to use this shit. Why would you use waste stats on healing?
>>583548973nooooo how will the lvl 30 beta economy survive?
>>583548214>>583548080>>583547946>>583548898You retarded monkey have been spamming for days on end shut the fuck up and kys
>retail sharding making every zone/city an instance with ghosts popping in and out>group content heavily disincentivised>retail UI >only retail models until a streamer begged for it at the last minute>whatever the fuck skelfs areits just blunder after blunder - how could they possibly be this inept?Picrel my gf
>>583548973probably will be fixed thursday
>>583549017mentally ill or somethin?rogues will have the ability on release to make ~ 500g in 30 minutes that way
>>583548860def hunter
>>583549018Have you tried not being gay? Life would be more fun if you just chillaxed a bit brother man. Whoosa or whatever the monks say.
>>583549071they never bothered to fix it in sodi doubt theyll fix it here
I think they should have soft level caps at 20, 40 and 50 like they did in SoD. Have it so you have to do a dungeon to break the level cap and go beyond.
>>583549124that is concerning.
>>583549078what if they nerfededed it b4 release?
>>583549018uh oh
>>583549138agreed>>583549147there's posts out there reporting it to blizzard soabuse it now i guess
>>583548929Oh fuck off, I'm so sick of you asmold nazi incels shitting up this thread.Heading to the mod IRC to report this obvious raid.
>>583548996holy paladin, resto shaman, priest
>>583547310>Reach level 60 before December 9thhow much do you want to bet the first raid tier is not level 60?
>>583549214I reported it the same day the patch dropped, didnt overabuse it because I figured they'd fix it asap lmaowelp
>>583549220Is that still a thing?
>>583549078They're just gonna patch it ya dingus. Make it so you can't loot chests without alerting them or something. Not that complicated.
>>583549018I think it's fun bit taking vanilla items and pretending they're overpowered
>>583549018u mad bro?
>>583548951ZAMN alexstrasza looks like THAT??
forever is a retail reboot, not an expansion of classic , prove me wrong>"classic plus">has more retail features than MOP
why did they give everyone movespeed this is retarded
>>583549320everything
How come nobody cares about your Marnie consernposting, pajeet?
yall chuds cryan but we all kno u gunna be playan eneway
>>583548929The Corma/Comar thing is one of those weird 2019 Classic-isms like Daisy's dukes being turned into short pants. They've never commented on either, Daisy's dukes were turned into pants in the last patch of Cataclysm, long before Blizzard got sued for sexual harassment, and Comar is still Comar in Retail, so it's anyone's guess as to what's going on.
>>583549569Which retail features does it have that aren't in MOP? Explain, poketroon.
Blizzard employs pedophiles
>>583549637>consernnice english banchod
>>583549705intredesting
Is there anywhere in game to look for guilds or you just have to read ads in chat/shout into the aether like a retard?
>>583549895olympus is always recruiting
>>583549817maybe i judged them too soon
Talk me out of rolling a shaman in wowf Enhancement looks way too fun in PvP
>>583549920I'd prefer if I wasn't already aware of it being a giant group of faggots until later
>>583549964I'm loving priest on the beta and I'm still tempted to roll enh sham for live. It really does just look like peak fun.
just hit level 14 in darkshireis it worth maing the trek to sw/if to do the instances now or is the xp nerfed to the point that i won't hit 20 from them anymore
>>583550060You will still get at least a level per dungeon.
>>583550060You still want to do dungeons for the insane quest reward gear.
>>583550060>making the trekthere's a boat straight to sw from auberdine now
Lillie is best girl, Marnie is for chuds.
Are mana talents like this gonna actually do anything on enh shaman if you don't have any spirit on your gear?
Foreverbros... it's looking grim.
Sometimes I rank up my skills and it adds to my bars automatically but then other times I have to manually put the upgraded version on. Tf causes this and why can't I just have it auto do that every time?
>>583550060instance quest xp is still very big after the nerfmake sure you do any chains, they are usually worth
>>583550237It’s still better than nothing and more importantly is the storm strike reset making them a nightmare for rogues and warrior
>>583550285Most caster spells that increase the mana cost of spells won't auto add them to bars.
>>583549964it might be a little difficult to get into a dungeon group while levelling , chad prot warriors like me wont invite someone who can steal my 2h / offset gear.you probably wont be top of the dps charts in raids if you care about that dumb shitbut desu enhan looks fun i would roll it if I were you, I worry they are going down the more retail spam elemental dmg angle more than mostly melee though.pvp it should be strong, just make sure you make an orc , youll need all the help you can get vs lock >>583550209literally the opposite
>>583550060Grab that one quest from Dark Iron Spy in Dun Morogh and do Hall of Thanes, then you can start with Deadmines prequests in Westfall.
>pull>dps stands on me attacking the front of mob>adjust so hes behind the mob>he moves to stand on me again>ask if hes trying to get parried>silence
>>583550345It's happening with random Rogue abilities. Eviscerate did it on it's own but some things like Sinister Strike or Backstab had to be manually added.
>>583550237everyone with a mana bar is supposed to gear for spirit
Elves are so great.And Darkshore is great.
>finally get shammy wep>literally 1shotting people at 30 Holy fuck this is so much fun. I know shams probably suck at 60 but for the beta they’re king. Surprised if they don’t win the tournament all they need is ghost wolf right at the target and to connect once
>>583550519While true, it's kinda strange you would start seething unprompted
You are using DLSS right?https://x.com/alphafox/status/2107223632284185066/video/1?s=61
>>583550310It's when (You) dodge or parry, not your target.
Are they gonna add the 40 mana shapeshift idol to alliance skelves too
>>583550430I've had a few experiences >tank pulls>doesn't face anything away>ok whatever I'll just go around to backstab>retard immediately spins everything around>ok fine I'll go back *again*>retard spins them around a secondSome people just freestyle I guess
>>583549842Even things like the fruit bowl painting (which, to my knowledge, was never actually pushed to Classic) and Finkle Einhorn ->Pip Quickswitch can be explained as "woke censorship", but at the same time you have in-game paintings in retail that are far more explicit and references to Harry Potter.
>>583550250It was looking grim since skyborn because you knew there was no going back on it
>"we want casters to feel special when getting weapon upgrades too">reinvents the whole gearing system Was this really necessary? It required a fundamental change to how gearing works for something no one was asking for surely. Casters DID get a big upgrade when they got a new staff, they got a noticable boost to their mana bar, which IS a casters damage, thats the whole core difference between melee/mana users...
>>583550650What’s wrong with finkle einhorn is it. A reference to something
>>583550876>whitewashing racism, trans and homophobiaclassic leftist hypocrisy
>doing an easy run of excavation site on my warrior (tanking)>run is going very smoothly>I always watch the healer's mana since I'm a nice tank, never pull if it's below 50%>in the orc area, the healer suddenly starts blogging about how I'm insane and he needs to fucking drink>apparently, he will find a new group right now if I don't apologise (he hasn't even talked up until this point)>tell him I don't care>he leaves
>>583550851A tranny from a 90s comedy movie.Not like you can't just ask one of the AIs...
When's that opt-in code dropping?
>>583550830It means that 1-14 is fucking horrid on a caster and then suddenly you get the Q reward from RFC or loot from HoT and suddenly life is goodBut it does provide a weird situation on Druid anyway where i choose between a 20mana wrath for 55-60 dmg or 10 a mana 48-50 wrath
Blacksmith or Alchemy for Prot warrior?
>>583550936try playing a healer and report back
>>583550946Wait the ace Ventura movie? Why the fuck is that transphobic lmao? Isn’t empowering if anything
Why won't Big B do the one thing that can stop RMT: Disable trading and remove the profession limit.
>>583551051I do play healer, it's my favourite
>>583551046alchemy, blacksmith has some decent items that could last you fair bit but on fresh youll outpace it and have no time to level the professions
>>583551051Boomkin here queueing as healer in dungeons for faster runsI’m lvl 30 and have yet to buy water at all, the new spell power system means you just throw out low rank shit that has 80% of the healing at 15% of the mana cost then you MP5 back to 100
>>583551104Because they are little bitches.Also it would require extensive thought and rebalancing.
>>583551068Iirc he starts gagging after finding out it's a tranny or something.Basically like any tranny joke ever before 2018.
>>583551109then you should understand the healerhow often did the group survive by seer luck because the healer was oom? or how often did they survive just because the healer had an emergency mana pot?all that could be avoided if you waited fof 100% healer mana
Explain what happened here https://x.com/wowforevernow/status/2107351040899346830/video/1?s=61
>>583551164how is boomkin? icyveins says its shit
>>583551138yeah that makes sense, ability to make health potions seems like a nice plus
>>583551191Yeah because he’s straight Lgtbqi are the biggest hypocrites ever. They’d gag too
>>583551269hey thanks I needed to block them and I forgot
>>583550154oh shit>>583550090>>583550136>>583550296>>583550370thanks gals
>>583551325herbs are also abundant everywhere unlike ores that require hills or mines, and now with pots in the first aid tree they're basically free
>>583550876To my knowledge, the two censorships that leaked into Classic were Finkle Einhorn and Betrayed, can't recall anything else. Daisy's pants don't seem to be an act of censorship because they were like that since Classic came out in 2019, I err on the side of it being a mistake that nobody bothered to fix because Daisy is a pointless npc.
>>583551306Same as ever minus the mana issues because wrath is insanely cheap. I hope they’re good at 60 or i might consider lvling a shammy for some PvP shenanigans.I’d say retarded OP bullshit aside like penance being overtuned and hunters being in the true sense of the term OP from bugs, they’re the strongest class going into the tourney. Easily shit on mage war shammy pala rogue feralTheir hard matchups will be warlock and maybe priest we’ll see after penance gets fixed
Anybody else have a tiny dick or is it just me in here?
>>583551573>tbcRetail>cataRetail+
>>583551573this is why we dont play retail
>>583551573>self depreciating
>>583551573If you genuinely care about something like this you gotta sit on a shotgun barrel and let it rip desu
is there a reason why wowfg is the worst general on the board
How does the tauren's new plainstriding ability work with druid/shammy travel forms?
>>583551686nta but I do genuinely careI would rather play le wow classic without these random retarded little changes. They are worthless and disrespectful of the original ARTISTIC vision.
>>583551716 you post in it >>583551573
>>583551739It's like 5 words changed and the meaning is still intact. Not like you niggers even remember the shitty dialogue in a couple of 20 year old quests anyways. You faggots are being performative, as the kids say nowadays.
>>583551815I completely disagree, fuck you retard etc
>>583551573>back when calling man a girl was enough for a jokeAnd it's still as hilarious as ever. Even more so.
>>583551686The problem is acknowledging it as a problem which it only is by blue city social politics. This is a fictional world set in a fictional time where they raid pillage and murder on the regular, but somehow words are bad. This is why Witcher 4 is going to suck ass too cause you just know the world dialogue is going to go from either being afraid of Geralt for being a mutant freak, or respecting him for being a hero for the downtrodden to just an endless stream of “girl witcher”
>>583551716because of a spamming schizo who never sleeps
>>583551852You disagree because you're gay and retarded, now play the same game you've been playing 20 years because you're too autistic to play anything else.>>583551907The worst part is I kind of agree it's retarded to change it but it also hardly makes a difference and isn't changing anything actually important. Now if they make Arthas trans or something then I'll understand the pitchforks you guys have but otherwise it's kinda gay and retarded of you all to cry so much imo.
>>583551907The Witcher was always woke, the trailer for Witcher 3 literally has the word racism in it.
>>583549328again they did not fix it in sod...
>>583551689>>583551573>>583551804lul
>>583552009Just buy gold on stream or something ya faggot you'll be ok
Why are Retoiletroons arguing in this thread about Retoilet?
>>583552004It’s precisely the reason that it hardly makes a difference and is hardly noticeable that’s annoying. It’s a sign of things to come, which is, even more millennial friendship is magic writing
>>583552107gotta do something for the next 30 days
>>583552107I think hes legit mentally ill, Im not even sure he knows which general he's actually in right now
>>583552086retarded fuck
>>583552128while i agree, does the person pointing it out need to go about it in the most obnoxious way imaginable
>>583552195No but you gotta keep in mind the people that freak out over this stuff on either side of the spectrum are fucking retarded
>>583552170boohoo nigger cry more about fake video game currency in a game plagued by Jin Yang and his buddies already anyways
is the legacy talent "talented" retroactive? or do you basically have to reroll if you're above level 5 so you can get those extra 5 talent points during the beta?
>>583552107their shit game is dead and now they're invading this general because like their dead shit game, their lives are also totally empty and desolate.
>>583552107He obviously doesn't actually play retail since everything he posts is a twitter or wowhead screencap
>>583552287they should pander to cunnystrasza enthusiasts insteadhttps://files.catbox.moe/x8wk39.png
>dungeon elites gives 10 exp>quest exp nerfed by 50%>if theres a single grey mob in the instance to anyone in your party, nobody gets expblizzard doesnt want you to dungeon at all
>>583552491dungeons are boring as fuck anyway.
>>583552491the quest xp is still gigantic
>>583552519but i want them to be a substitute to questing, or at least 80% as goodright now theyre worthless
>>583552282dummy
>>583552287Wait lmao it has wings, why is something that can fly sitting in a wheel chair
>the mounts npc is in the gameOh no.
>>583552519Sometimes running around the same area for 2 hours trying to kill mobs that 800 other people are annihilating too is boring as well. Would be nice to have more variety in leveling than simply questing and nothing else.
>>583552262oh you're an asmongold viewer lol go figure
>>583549814not him but >collection menus>retail UI>retail HD models>retail party finderand so on
>time looping about fucking finkle einhorn and shit like thatjesus dude, get a grip
>>583552690there's another option for the non-retardedit's called grindingusually faster than questing if there are 800 retards in your layer
>>583552484that would require them to be based which is about as likely as the sun freezing over tomorrow
>>583552569Not anymore they’re not.Doing wailing caverns in classic nets you about 2 levels with a full clear and all dungeonsIn forever you get 15k xp
>>583552702No idea where the fuck you got that from but I don't watch that disgusting subhuman roach nigger either. You're just retarded.
>>583552627Well the wording and posts about it make it seem like it's not retroactive, but that seems absurd so I'm asking
im convinced the only people criticizing dungeon nerfs are shameless retail transplants that want to mash "gogogo" every second of every day on the same dungeon.
>>583552709Doesn't MOP have the completely automated dungeon finder?
>>583552747What's the best way to grind?
>>583552893It's a good thing Cata, or retail+ as I like to call it, isn't part of Forever.
>>583552983There are many subtleties but you want to kill mobs of your level or slightly lower, and do it efficiently. Most people suck at it because they are too stupid to play efficiently. It goes well with gathering, especially mining, which can be hard to level while being a questoid.
>>583545525its nuts, considering how that delf ranger gets equal screentime with garek in the new wc3 campaignits right fucking there, instead we get fucking blue sky elves
Wait, I thought Forever Dalaran was an Alliance city? Why is a troll npc allowed in?
I don't care for wotlk dalaran and copy-pasting it was gay and lazy. THERE, I said it.
>>583553165because they copy/pasted all the npcs from wotlk without reading any of them
this general is nothing but angry people shitposting and fighting their own ghosts
>>583553085I feel like shit around my level only gives like 200 exp requiring killing 200 of them to get anywhere. Surely there's a better middleground between that/questing/dungeon exp.
>>583553254yes, you should>accept all quests>run around grinding, maybe do the quests if convenient>do dungeon chains and do each dungeon once
>>583553241Yeah unfortunately posting here is like walking through a minefieldEven if you keep your posts 100% on topic when you reply to someone there's a significant chance you trigger some autist to have an absolute melty because you used any one of a nearly infinite number of words that set him off, or you respond to someone that had zero intention of actually talking about the game and was just making a post to bait (you)s, or a schizo randomly targets your post and assumes you're whatever enemy he made up in his head at that given moment
>>583553226You're right, stuff is copy/pasted, but I don't think it was wholly lazy. He's the first and so far only horde npc I've seen, and in Wrath he's flagged as friendly to the alliance and horde, here he's unfriendly to the alliance.
>new bg>one faction has an empty dry wasteland>other faction has thick foggy junglesNice design, retards, very balanced
>>583550430forever is intentionally steering away from "advanced mechanics" that require things such as swing or ranged shot timers and the like because they are "not intuitive to new players". I'm honestly surprised the positional parry system still exists
>>583553473Youve been spamming retail shit for hours on end fucking stop it holy fuck
>random wow video played on my YouTube>AI video with AI talking points>paid AD for restedEXP>talks about helping Ukraine by driving trucksWhat a surreal experience.
>>583553502For the flavor NPCs its definitely lazy or a complete lack of understanding on their part. They're supposed to be representative of (You), the adventurer, that's why they are wearing TBC armor (and the ones in legion are wearing WoD armor). So neither the alliance nor the horde wandering NPCs should be in this version of dalaran. That vendor might make sense though, its just an undead elf
>>583553662I've nooticed a big push on ukraine recently, I guess they've upped our dosage in the slop recipe
>>583553662>>583553731kill all russianskill all jewskill all trans peoplesimple as
Yep, Forever won.
>muh indians>muh retail>muh tranniesso this is the power of the asmonroach schizophrenic army of "people", huh
>>583554131at least the canadian is not lying, wow is a p2w game because everyone at the top buy gold
>>583554131werent you pathetic faggots celebrating his "ban"? what happened? not so banned after all? LMFAO
>>583554196should all be banned, nobody gives a fuck about the "people at the top". A few of them have a following and some pull to make a bit of a fuzz for a few weeks, but other than that you could gas them all and nobody would care or even notice.
What a fucking narcissist.>>583553712Geffon seems to be the only wandering NPC that stands out as a "player character" NPC, the rest are wizards, nameless civilians and nameless guards.
>>583554271>should all be bannedit's not going to be banned, blizzard has already shown they will not enforce the rules against the streamers, that battle is lost already
Can we go back to posting slop elves?
I've been interested in resto shaman, but the totems seem like a pain in the ass. Are they?
I've been out of the loop so tell me if this is wrong but isn't the situation basically>Asmongold starts his Olympus guild on the PVP server, aiming to just be the biggest guild for world PVP with the goal of zerg-rushing with pure numbers>that's about all there is to itfastforward to now, apparently>Nevermind, he's going to go PVE on launch>the goal is now to completely monopolize the entire game, on every layer, including gatekeeping all crafting recipes and press-ganging people into joining Olympus OK that's going to be fucking annoying I thought he liked WoWwhy would he start a project whose end goals succeeding will make the game virtually unplayable?
>>583554575in my experience, no it's fine
ive never played classic or been on a pvp server. Is the ganking meme really that obnoxious or is that just moaning? I just worry that once I hit 60 i might get bored of playing that character without pvp being on in the open world.
Excavation: Wetlands is not very good instance.
>>583554575nah, you get a lot of useful tools for managing totems now (not all of them are available yet but the idea is that you can quickly deploy/move them and even set up different combinations and pop them all at the same time)
>>583554632HIs goal is to become so central to the game that Olympus can force TOS changes
>>583554691They can't all be winners. The level range already has a bunch of dungeons in vanilla that are all solid bangers, they likely didn't bother as much with it because of that.
>Make a tank>There's a healer shortage>Make a healer>There's a tank shortageThe fucking curse is back, I should have just made a hunter or a mage.
it's actually tragic comparing retail to classic>look at how they massacred my boy!
>>583554828It does have a clear gimmick to it which is nice but the outcome just isn't very good.
>>583540918Progress horizontally, obviously... Whatever the hell that means.
>>583554852yeah I used to always play Healer or Tank but this time I decided to finally just be honest with myself and went Arms WarriorI don't care about being optimal, or even being wanted in partiesI'm having more fun that I ever did as a healer or tank
>>583554878The concept just isn't compelling for a dungeon, it's just another section of the Wetlands. It's either the first dungeon they made for this, or the last dungeon they made in crunch time and squeezed in just to have another dungeon.
>>583553796>that's who'sJuan-carlos go to sleep
>>583554684no one likes wpvp at 60
best way to get those merchant coins so you can trade with those fags in front of redridge?
so what did the new updated from an hour ago do
>>583555291buy crates from ah that are cheap to fulfill
>>583555357added an ingame tool for streamers to buy gold easier
>>583555395unfunny as fuck kys
How do we feel about them removing baseline mechanics like seal twisting or dot snapshotting because they're afraid new players might not understand them?
>>583555434They're not interesting mechanics
>>583555434>baseline mechanics like seal twistingA mechanic that was introduced to counter network errors? That shit needs to stay gone
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/layer
>>583555357SD elves
>>583555434don't mistake shitty workarounds that have a little obscurity for difficulty or skill
>>583555616dfwm
>>583554684Getting ganked is annoying, ganking is fun. The main appeal for PvP servers (big faction fights) is sort of diminished by this not having world buffs. In SoD, they added PvP world events that encouraged big faction fights and people liked them, so they'll probably do it again for this.
OH MY LOOOOOD IS THAT LEGACY POINTERINOS IM SEEING? HEEEECK YEEEAAA NOW I HAVE TO MAKE 7 ALTS AND KEEP PLAYING FOREVER. FOREVER HYPE FOREVER HYPE
>>583555697>ganking is funif you're mentaly 10 forever maybe
>>583555746i look like this and say this
>>583555757i WILL gank you and you will CRY
>>583555757I play mage, ganking means polymorphing lowbies, /laughing at them and going about my business, or blowing all my cooldowns and trinkets and consumables to one shot someone. Both are enjoyable.
>>583555824>>583555847like i said if you're mental development stopped at 10 and you're 30+ ganking is "fun".
>>583554684Wpvp is just brainrot zoomers now, and forget about any equal footingjust go pve like the rest of us old farts
this is going to be a mess, classes like mage are total trash and shitty talent tree that needs overhaulthey nerfed all casters damage by 50% but you scale by spellpower EXCEPT THERES NO FUCKING SPELLPOWER GEAR LEVELING OUTSIDE OF DUNGEONS
>Watch latest asmon vod>"yeah so never argue with a leftist blablabla politics blablabla"I miss old asmongold trolling INGAME keeping politics out of the game sigh
>>583555961Bro, just buy "of X wrath" gear on the auction house.
>>583556007i cant find any holy wrath gearwhy did you lie anon
>>583556005Old Asmon would legit get banned now. With the amount of heat on him now he can't act like that anymore.
>>583556080I guess, still, i'm getting tired of listening about politics in every.single.game he plays
>>583556061>holy wrath gearVendor trash.
>>583555961Crafting bro, also get recipes from the new turn-in grind, in redridge crossroads
>>583554684Sometimes it makes you just wish you could finish the quest/activity you were doing.I've drive-by murdered people and I've gotten drive-by murdered.
>killing mages classic identity to aoe is actually good because it slightly messes with the goldfarmers
>>583555961they dont want people to blast to 60they want people to stop and do dungeons and craft/trade new gear
How the auction house works now there's no reason not to vendor majority of things as their AH prices are the same as vendor
>thread full of some faggot dumping his "blizzard shit" folderNigger we know blizzard is shit, we play wow
>>583555961Every other quest reward gives spell power though?
>>583556127I´m tired reading about politics in videogame threads
>>583556439Same, every single videogame thread gets invaded by polfags and just stops being about just the game
https://x.com/wowforeverNOW/status/2107351540550033873Ummmmmmmmmmmmm HE? EXCUSE ME?????
>>583556710That´s funny
I feel bad for the guy that really wants forever to be a success but blizzard is fucking up hard, they need to do more
>>583556710He will never be a woman
>>583556907No not really. That´s sad. Why would you save that on your computer.
So this is what it's like to have to play with europeans?I thought turtle was just a fluke since it was a private serverthey're fucking sociopaths
>>583556710it's a male orc, what am I missing
>>583540732This is fakeSAGE
>>583557074oh nvm the streamer is apparently a tranny, it just sounded like a gay australian
>americans hours>shizo babbling politic bullshittingi want eu hours back
I am not playing betaPlease tell me rogue is good...
>>583556337>mages can only aoe 15 mobs at once?>literally rape...
>>583557226No, rogue is shit
>>583557226combat is top leveling specassa is alrightsub will the top dps overall in raids
>>583557226i didn't think them removing ticks would make it feel so shit
Whatever happened to SoD? Is it still up? Just abandoned?
>>583557502Sod deez nuts
>>583557502go try it out
>>583556005Played video games. Now utilizes outrage culture and identity politics + buzzwords in order to make internet money.
>>583557584He doesnt make any money on his channel though
>>583556337I too love having my class's strength be to break the game
>>583557560I haven't even redownloaded the client. I haven't touched a Blizzard game in 2+ years. I'm just wondering if there's anything to do before Forever launches. I dunno if progress is going to reset in a month or not but even if it's not, I'd rather wait.I can't think of anything I might want to do other than fuck around on SoD since I never got to try the stuff like Warlock/Shaman tank.
>>583557321isnt sub great to level? also bunch of utility for dungeons. that being said, im worried about them fucking over poisons like they did in turtle. not to mention, the weaponswap macro sweatshit i see on icy makes me not wanna play rogue after all...
>>583555223hello SAAAAAAAAAAAR
what makes all the schizo spammers flock to wowfg
>>583557725Its okay you dont need to weaponswap combat has aseline talent that gives different stats depending on the weapon you got
doomertrannies lost
I only buff night elf females
>>583557798>>583557791
>>583556005I tried listening to him, but then he talked about working at the IRS for a single tax season as if it makes him relatable to the average wageslave and it cringed me out too much. Guy is as out of touch as the average hollywood pedo.
>>583557731i hate disingenuous shills like you soooooooooooo much
>>583557767Having an audience.Same thing they erp on a blue board instead of taking it to their trooncord.
can someone explain the orc "drama" please?
>>583557894Sad thing is i'm sure 50% of his audience are bots from russia, the amount of hate towards minorities, woman, left leaning people is staggering.And yes he's not relatable at all anymore, he has a "gf", he has millions, the way people still keep hailing him as "one of us" seems weird
>>583557956femorcs are cute thats all
>>583557956Some orcs says Zug ZugSome orcs says Fug Fug
>>583557767Butthurt pserfs and bitter classicfags mad Forever overshadowed their shit versions of the game
>>583557956The horde humiliation ritual has leaked from retail wow and infected wowf, they must be better orcs now.
>>583558024>>583558026>>583558041can you just give me the orc name or the quest name?
>>583558156zug'gruk
I'm bored and decided to click a random streamer playing wowf for some bgm and he started talking about aliens and /x/ threads then started calling any girl that streams in Twitch is a whore
>>583557902huh? just pointing out ESL pajeets when I see 'em
>>583558207>>583558156
It's actually Forever not Classic +.
who won who lost
rogue is actually fun on GOD
I hate trade
I know it was hype to have them announce a near release date, but the more I play, the more I think they need longer to work on this. A one month 'beta' is way too short to catch all of this. They've made way too many big changes to core game systems (spells, dungeons, sharding) to have it so untested. Were any of these even necessary? Im not about just keeping things the same for the sake of it, but they went in REALLY heavy handed with this shit. To begin with, they could have done nothing whatsoever apart from modify/add a few talents/spells, add some zones, and most people would have been happy. What made them decide to rip the core game to shreds so soon? pic rel my gf, ive actually had sex with her numerous times
Alliance look so fucking generic its unreal
>>583558483>What are we without the sky...
>>583558513>anal spam turned into murloc spamSO HECKIN WHOLESOME!
>>583557321>sub will the top dps overall in raidsThe dream is just spam out of stealth Ambushes?
>>583558553Why couldn't we get arrakoa instead of fanfic elves
>>583556710>Another horde tranny Kek, theyre never beating the allegations
will i have a higher chance of encoutering females in raiding guilds on alliance or horde
>>583557321rogue will never be top overall in raids, they dont have cleavethey wont even be top dps when warriors use reck on single target either
>>583558969>rogue will never be top overall in raids, they dont have cleaveblizzard literally said rogue is top dps st
>wake up>week three>no beta invite
>>583558961>females in raiding guildsalliance, but they're all lesbian heads upstraight and bi women play pvp and RP
>>583558979
>>583559034you are retarded it's okay, warriors will do higher single target with reck you retard, they arent balancing warriors around reck and overall dps in raids is CLEAVE AOE DAMAGE which rogues are terrible at
>>583558969They're not meant to top overall, they're supposed to be best in Patchwerk.
>>583559128lol you really have no clue do you
>>583559034>blizzard literally said rogue is top dps stToo bad there won't be any single target encounters
>>583558961Yeah, they will be either married 35+ moms or zoomettes around 20 who aspire to be egirls and acting as such and whenever you point out their embarrassing act, you get a stern warning from the 40-something dad officer.
>>583559047how poor? it's a paid beta, retard
>>583559183yeah they deleted all raid bosses huh
>>583559047>get every sort of secret survey from blizz >never get a beta invite oof
I cant fucking believe that they're adding grell after doing fucking sky elves
>>583559216no they just all jump you when you enter the raid.
>>583559216>all raidbosses are Patchwerk
>>583559047just opt out from the spam no one actually gets invited to betas
>>583559213i got cocaine two weeks ago instead
>>583559290>all raidbosses are adds
>>583559326yes (nearly) all retail bosses are cleave fights
>>583559252>in wow, grell is just a reskinned imp>in wow, wyvern is basically a chimaeraThey just didn't give a shit back then, did they?
Rogue or Druid for comfy world stealthing and random ganks?
>>583559410>>583559308
>>583559395>in wow, grell is just a reskinned impImps are just demonic grells.
>>583559410Druid
>>583559410>comfydruid
>>583558538game is doa desu
Is Druid+Druid a fun duo team?
Bruhhhh who cares if i wanna instantly be 60 let us play how we wanna play fuck smoke some weed why dont you and chill let people enjoy thingsforever isnt for you, chuds
>>583559410Druid, they can shape shift and more youRogue is just garbage in forever despite what Blizzard says
So rogues are just destined to be bottom tier warriors-but-bad again?>muh single target memes
>>583559436In wow, yeah.
>>583558538their design flaw was deciding to change shit instead of adding shitadding more zones and more classes would wack all the meta and balance and the experience so people wouldn't care so much about the balance of the old classes, but they saved costs and did barely anything new so we're stuck discussing their stupid balance, honestly just pack this game up and bury it, blizzard is too incompetent to do anything right, the more I think about it the more I know it'll be a failureI also HATE the faggot shills on reddit boosting the game as if it was good over and over again and pretending not to see the flaws, starting to get very annoyed by the fucking shills
>>583559723And that' a good thing. hey comboboy! Time to switch target. :^)
>>583557767First day on /vg/?New and popular games always get these.
The raids aren't readyThe dungeons aren't readyWhen are they releasing dalaran on the beta
>>583559993god i hate playing, i just want to randomly stare at walls inside:>Stockades>Scarlet monastery>Maraudon>ScholomanceBlizz needs to fix mage AOE or i'm unsubbing.
vanilla philosophy does not work in 2026
>>583556396>>583556396>>583556396Answer me.
I just like running dungeonsI always have in any MMOI'm sorry
>>583560171It's beta.Nobody cares about their gold.
>>583559871>I also HATE the faggot shills on reddit boosting the gameyou mean >a stylised pic of level 8 character looking at the fog>"thank you blizzard, im having a blast">never reaches 60>quits in 3 months
>>583556710
>>583560340you get to run even more, what are you complaining about?
>>583560364I say that and will do that
>>583560340Nothing is preventing you from running dungeons and nothing else, anon.
is the rogue quest bugged?killed the dockmaster twice and he didnt drop anything
>"we want you out in the world having social experiences">half of the playerbase outside are dads sat on the sofa playing on a controller while their character repeatedly phases in and out of existencecool
>>583560518Its gaming time
>>583560507nah you just gotta keep killing him, it has like a 50% drop rate
>>583560413Less XP and rewards means less people will want to do them
>>583560639nonsense, there's tons of redditors saying they love dungeons and want to do them more. if you love dungeons you'll run them with less XP and rewards or not
>>583560507not guaranteed drop, keep killing him
>>583560639Retarded excuse award.
>>583560391what's wrong with americans
>>583560507You need to clear all other mobs around him too.
>>583560507gotta kill him more, ran this yesterday
fps in OG is beyond fuckedagain blizzard devs talking out of their smelly unwashed asses during blizzcon how well optimized this is
>>583560679>what's wrong if you enjoy it? don't you like getting fucked in the ass?
>>583560639Mega servers means there's literally going to be hundreds of groups for dungeons at any point in time.
>>583560792if you're only running dungeons for number go up, then no, you don't enjoy dungeons, you enjoy number go upif you're only running dungeons for number go up, retail is down the hall and to the left
>>583560507kill the adds first then him.
>>583560507You're supposed to pickpocket him lil gup
>>583560857ok lets remove quest xp by 99% , revert the dungeon nerf, and see how quickly your ass is begging for a tank for wailing caverns. but i thought you enjoyed quesring?
>>583560932I run both dungeons and questsYou ok little buddy? You can still buy boosts on era or retail
What's worse:>My pet can tank>We don't need a healer, i have bandages
>>583560932Funny how fast the "questing enjoyers" would find new excuses to not quest and instead grind mobs and dungeons.
>>583561004I can easily heal a group without a tankNo group can survive with me healing them though
>>583560784They need to fix that before launch or the game is unironically DOA. Nobody is going to put up with crashing FPS each time you change zones. Niggers are out here getting 140fps in Aion2 and 23fps in Orgrimmar.
>>583561048>No group can survive with me healing them thoughheehee
>>583560518Dude I was auto running down the road right and this other guy was auto running in the other direction and we passed each other and he pressed mark of the wild and I jumped and he jumped and we kept running omg dude omg omg omg so social dude whoa so heckin wholesome chungus interactions also execute anyone who wants to do dungeons
>>583561082Small indie company, please understand. Will ask Claude to optimize harder without doing any mistakes saar.
>>583560507>smartest rogue
Miss when this general was a significant portion ai skelfs
>>583561082>1 billion fps AND booba sliders vs>2 fps when fighting a bear with ps2 graphics but at least there's fog.
>>583560564waht the fuck he also spawns 3 adds and i keep dying to themjesus christ why is this shit not 100% drop rate
>>583561364You're not supposed to do it yet, come back at level 13 or 14.
>>583560698>>583560735>>583560754>>583560863reeee>>583560924>You're supposed to pickpocket him lil gupyoure kidding me????
>Hey, you've nearly killed that guy!>Unfortunately-
>>583561439but its a lvl 10 quest
>>583561082>are out here getting 140fps in Aion2 and 23fps in Orgrimmar.tfw 120 fps in 4k on aion 2 and ogjust get a better pc
class/race/spec for this feel?
>>583561494>yuritroon shitWhat a waste of a potentially funny image
Plan trusters, what now? The release of korean slop mmo 2 has passed, where is our beta invite?
>>583560810There have been multiple times even this week where there were no groups for most dungeons
>>583561494Human female subtlety rogue
>the add-on updater is owned by an Israeli company based in telaviv
>>583561493>i'm going to pretend to be retarded and not understand the memory leak you're talking aboutthat's cool dude
>>583561554Look at what bananas are called ingame
>>583561554?
>>583561543>beta invite?still waiting for beta invites when PTR invites are going out.wow blizzard must hate you guys
>>583561549Dungeons are dead even in the beta where is cross regionNot looking good Blizzard! I even tank dungeons for fun but that's impossible when people get 0 exp
>>583561538you want men in your pornography? are you a homosexual?
>>583561675>Dungeons are dead even in the beta where is cross regionSIR SIR??? SIR HELLO SIR
>>583561554Can't you just use WowUp?
>>583561630Google "who owns curseforge'
>>583561771grim
>>583561554>>583561825just do it manually it's like 3 clicksdon't trust companies like that
lfm stowind donjon
>>583561554the fucking thing doesnt even work for the forever beta
Rate
>>583561695The man is my avatar. He embodies my desire to fuck the women. I want to cum in and on the women, not watch from the chair and be excluded
>>583561623memory leak was fixed a week or so ago
>>583562009Combat is gay.
>>583562040No its fun
>>583561825>>583561554solved problem >>583561719https://github.com/WowUp/WowUp
>>583562101imagine being THIS retarded
>its another asmon is grifting his viewers saying tits in media are worse than guns lol....
>noooooo my heckin slop addons for slopware are based in heckin slop centralnooooooo!!!!
>>583556396Gather something that has more demand than supply. You're not entitled to every wad of pocket lint being scarce and valuable.
summit1g is so brain broken by this game is actually hillarious, he has spent the past 15 hours crying like a bitch and saying retail is better because hunters are fucking his ass and he sucks at pvp and hates that things like engineering matter
>>583562009Go daggers, they look better in the beta, especially the one from graveyard that adds +10 weapon damage for everyone attacking
>>583562190>Combat>DaggersHow about no
>>583562121Concession accepted.
if this is what they were capable of what the FUCK were they doing from 2019-2026
>>583562183he isn't wrong, hunters being too strong makes the game boring
>>583562237asmonfag viewer shut uuuuuuup
>>583562250retail 2019+ was the DEI phase
>>583562250>USAID dries up>We get WoW ForeverNot a coincidence
>>583562253>still no argument against itwow!
>>583562307there's nothing to argue against
>>583562209It's better in the beta for PvE.
>>583562373I do not trust you
make cunnymane op next one
how is assassination looking
>>583561937Or install wowup
>>583559871>adding more zones and more classes would wack all the metaGood
make cunnystrasza op next one
make ORCS next
>mods just deleted 30 posts from the schizo spammeronly took you *checks notes* six and a half hours
>>583562427backstab does less damage than sinister strike
>>583562680SS is weapon damage
>AI controls your character in retail if you disconnect during a dungeon
>>583562721i wish
>>583562183>NOOOOO MY HECKIN LEVEL 30 GAME BALANCEstreamers are the worst
>>583562680You have extra damage in the sub tree
>>583562427Enjoy spending all combo points keeping 2 boring buffs up
>>5835629752 buffs and 1 debuff. You're the EA cuck since you have the fastest and easiest application with imp EA and muti combo point generation
i wont install any addonmovable ui, combined bags and dps are alrwady nativeIm only missing a movable bag window
uhhhhhh so this is new and now active btw
>>583563118>movable ui>nativeno
>>583563119Once a day I can go exploring the depths of the brown jungles...
>>583561695>you didnt like my lgbtq2ia+ cartoon? y-you must be gay
Does the built in damage meter not reset everytime you go out of combat? Its just accumulative.
>foid tranny chudi hate the 2026 lingo
>>583563161Uuhhm your edit mode?
>>583563606thats not movable ui
>>583563587ong cuh
>>583563637thats so 2024
are european players like this always or just on betai couldnt imagine playing with these scum all the time
>>583563723what did they do now
>>583563669diddy ahh unc o algo
I cant decide on hunter yet between Human and Troll. Does pvp trinket share a cooldown with Human racial? If yes then I feel like that makes the decision easy
>asmon giving jan 6 retards veteran status in his guildjesuschrist
>>583563623Why can I move the UI then?
>asmon now giving meme war veterans Terminator HonorssmDh...
is there a horde guild on pvp
>>583563885my real life aunt was at jan 6
>>583563669THIS WAS ALL I COULD MUSTERAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DONT BULLYHow do I get to this >>583563819 level...
>>583564003>outing your aunt as a paid actorthey're coming for you now
>>583564003hopefuly shes in jail?
City chat is just politics sperging and I cant wait to actually be sent to the shadow realm that is OCE. At least the Australians have to ID themselves and other SEAsian people just keep to themselves.
>>583564038>they're coming for you now
asmons gotten weirdtoo much politicshe only sees the righthis woman hate has gone tenfoldmeh
>see barny beekeeper individual >a woman who is good at the game? what's going on?>it's a trannymen are just better at everything
>>583564028statute of limitations>>583564054no
!!! ALERT !!!REMEMBER TO HAVE FUN
>>583562418>>583562475Just make some cunny op
For me, it's Sky Elves.
>>583564159shame she should be
>>583564219pedos need to get shot on livestream in minecraft
>>583564154Speed running community should he studied.
>>583564154>TRANNY FOID CHUUUUDI hate these retarded millenials
>>583564329bro you cant just threaten the president like that
>>583564154he is not good at the game
>>583564154you did not think he was a woman
>>583564154>"womens gaming leagues have had surprising resurgence lately">"womens gaming teams perform exceptionally well">check them out>literally all troons
>ENH SHAMLW+SKINBS+MININGOR HERB+ALCHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>583564465>NOT A TROON TROOONATOOONI hate all of you who talk like that
>>583564408>>583564571surely using the word tranny or troon does not actually trigger you this much. these are terms of endearment, there's no reason to get so upset.
FUCK ISRAELFUCK MAGABLACK LIVES MATTERTHE HOLOCAUST DIDNT HAPPEN BUT IT SHOULD HAVETRANS RIGHTS
>>583564636It does, it shows how low of an IQ you people have
>>583564524LW SKINno need to compete for nodes, in fact other people will make resources for youwear dragon parts later on
>>583564571Ok trannytroon go back to bsky
>>583564657What's your stance on Ukraine and Taiwan?
>>583564710FUCK UKRAINECOULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT CHINAMEN DO
>>583564695Asmongoldviewer get ye gone
>>583564660i don't think it does that, i think these are common terms for transexual men that we use so we don't have to risk an accidental "she" or "her" while shitposting. methinks you project.
>>583564657You forgot gaza and palestine bro...
>>583564764>commonThe internet is an echo chamber for very, very dumb people, like you.
Uh-oh tranny melty.>>583564636>these are terms of endearmentSpeak for yourself.
>>583554632>the goal is now to completely monopolize the entire game, on every layer, including gatekeeping all crafting recipes and press-ganging people into joining OlympusIf he lured all the retards from EU to play on US just so they could be in one of his guilds, that would be so good.
You now remember that there is still an active genocide in Darfur.
oh shit this is cool
>>583560932W-what?! YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THAT YOU NAZI CHOMO PEDO PIECE OF SHIT!!!
whats crazy is i remember life before faggot trannys existed
>>583564816Use of the word common or appealing to the ubiquity of a popular usage also triggers you?
>>583564778FUCK ISRAEL AND FUCK MAGA IS INCLUDED
>>583554632>>583564875That is TOS, he also wants to manipulate the whole servers market with his guild which is also, against TOS.>>583564919Trying out big words to sound more intelligent after spouting "tranny tranny" all the time now are we? lol
UH OH TRANNY MELTY
>>583564896darfur deez nuts xd
>>583564902The black orcs there are known for their hospitality, you should go there
>>583564903>finds pedo an insulting termhmmmmmm
>>583564959>9 letters is a big wordtroon moment
>>583564959Ubiquity is not a big word, it is just an uncommon one. But I'll take that as a compliment.
>>583565049>pedo an insulting termAs opposed to what, flattering?
>>583564902The increased draw distance is pretty neat.
>>583565056Q.E.D.>>583565082Give me a hout when you're re-moved the goalpost will you
>>583565049lmao dungie tards never fail to self report do they lmao>>583565127pedo is a holy word to describe us, divine rp transbian girlies
>>583547472smurfs
>>583565146Goalpost for... what?
Groundeffectdensity feels pretty soulful. What settings do you guys have it on?
>>583565216>>583565082>>583564919BROTHER
>>583565146>when you're re-moved thebharat baddie!?
>>583565283I've got thousands.
>>583565238I am not in the beta because they didn't send me my key yet
NEW BREAD
>>583565478>>583565478>>583565478
>>583564902makes the world feel small
>>583565238try/console shadowNumCascades 4/console ResampleAlwaysSharpen 1/console groundEffectDensity 128/console weatherdensity 3
>>583563885its just a joke bro lighten up a little
>>583546056The joke is that he is trapped in an outhouse and needs silk cloth to use as toilet paper. Silk because it is soft. This is classic wow humor at its peak. You are retarded.
>>583565134durotar at night is like hellfire peninsula
How are you enjoying Eye of the Troll anons? I would have preferred something new but it could have been dogshit so - aeh - idk.
