>Blizzard’s new version of World of Warcraft, based on its original 2004 release. Currently in beta, it will feature more than 1,000 new quests, nine new dungeons, new race/class combinations including Undead Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, and more. Level 60 will remain the maximum level cap forever.>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696>Talent Calculatorhttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app>Release DatesName reservations on October 27th.The journey begins on November 4th.Previous Thread >>584262328
Andy and wrathion are getting married in the forever timeline, Greenfield confirmed it.
>>584283609>the devs saidthey don't even play the game. the devs said that 1-20 was the same time as classic which is laughable if you actually played the beta.
>>584283048>>584283442From The Shattering novel, apparently, for those anons wondering about Anduin's space goat lust.
join little space or make my own guild....
>10 groups of 5 dungeon grinding>4 shardsvs>no groups dungeon grinding>5 shardsThe community has been saved, the journey has been preserved!
>>584283217Doublepost becaue thread already hit bumplimitSure, because going molten core with 14 rogues 12 frostmages really gives you the roleplaygame feeling.It also allows for expression of your own interests when you're forced to play a role you didnt mean to play due to meta restrictions (sarcasm)
BIG GOAT BUTTS
>>584283906make your own guild so the name doesn't sound like a pedo dogwhistle (I know it's not but that doesn't matter)
>>584283710>why is the exp so bad running a dungeon more than once?OMG you giga efficient CHUD, you can't do things and get rewarded, this isn't an RPG, you shouldn't be chasing experience and loot, why aren't you standing around waiting for this boar to spawn with 500 other players???let me ask you this retard, do you do ALL your green quests before doing any yellow ones?
>>584284213Alright your shitposting is getting boring now but you gave it a good try
>>584283906>>584284195it's literally a pedophile dog whistle to imitate fucking a child
new class datamined:>Cum Wizard>Datamined spell names include "Bust", "Heavy Load", and "Tug (PLACEHOLDER NAME)">Class looks to be available to Human, Dwarf, Orc, and Tauren. >Exact roles are unconfirmed but from initial examination of the talent trees, the Cum Wizard appears to be a hybrid class, with both DPS and Tanking specializations. >We haven't heard any official announcements from Blizzard about the Cum Wizard class but after the rumors we've all been hearing since Blizzcon, this appears like the class is all but confirmed. That said, we reached out to Aggrend for comment and we will be releasing a more detailed write-up as new information comes in.https://www.wowhead.com/forever/news/new-class-datamined-cum-wizard-wow-forever-betaman i'm really excited about this. i've just been in love with the concept of cum wizards since i first saw them in warcraft 2: tides of darkness. i'm glad blizzard is finally listening to feedback and adding classes that we've been asking about for literal decades. i think the cum wizard class is honestly a great fit for the ethos of wow forever.
>he's still playing betangmi
>>584284021Draenei woman catching you staring at their ass and using their tail to wrap around your wrist and make you touch their butt
don't reply to me you yellow questing community rat fucker journey hater, forever isn't for you
>>584284428So funny, you really outdid yourself with this one. Kekerino friend!
>>584284498forever is forever(yone)
Reminder: you're not allowed to complain about the game. If you want to complain you need to put in a refund request first, then you may speak.
>>584156789We are all here.
why are guildies calling me an egg for playing a girl character
>>584284428I'm glad Arcane spec is finally getting an identity.
>>584283863CuteI wish I could have a cute space goat gf
>>584284498Journey lover here, gonna enjoy taking my time knowing this game is forever instead of being some autistic minmax tranny who runs out of things to do in a week
>Ability to enter mortal bodies (remained within Aegwynn's womb for nearly a millennium) is this cool lore?
>>584283750Does /wowfg/ like this art of an aged-up Anduin?
is base spell hit much higher now? I just respecced out of elemental precision and hardly notice a difference
Have you ever noticed that when the west coast wageslaves get off of work the quality of the thread deteriorates rapidly?
>>584285019what does that have to do with getting decent exp inside of a dungeon?
>>584285208My SW:P 'missed' 8 times in a row against a equal level enemy. From my experience, no.
>>584285208i don't think sowhat level enemies are you fighting?
>>584285317I go to a dungeon for items.
Does Seal of Fury stack? Where the double swing gives you a second tank shield bubble?
>>584285451me too, would be nice to also get some good exp at the same time when the item i need doesn't drop
>>584285525BRAAAAAAAP
>>584285525Saved
>>584285542If the act of doing a dungeon isn't fun for you despite not getting an item to drop then perhaps mmorpgs aren't the genre for you
>>584285525>>584285619female tauren pov
>>584285317But you do get decent exp in dungeons
>>584285525
>>584285527fakyou get the double swing so you can that bubble from the new tank seal twice
>>584285619>>584285525needs padding desu
>>584285072Back when he was a cool Lucifer/Antichrist plot device and not a midlife crisis autist out to 'save existence from the Void," and rambling about how if HE was in charge of Forever, it would be designed like x, y, z.
>>584285804It's actually shocking how the lore got worse the more they retconned the very basic christian and devil elements of warcraft I and II
>>584285804Oh the lore for Sargeras/The Burning Legion got even worse thanks to SneedolandsNow they were all tricked (including Sargeras himself) by the Jalier as a means to an end
>>584285525>>584285619Keyed
>pink at the top>blue at the bottomAs nature intended.
>>584285964What's the jailer's plan in Forever
>>584285940Christians are big bad meanies and devil worship is very progressive, bigot.
>>584285153I think most people here that aren't mentally ill retail troon marketers think your incessant pushing of retail shit into this general is pretty fucking cringeplease stop stalking this place and kill yourself
>>584285636it is fun, it just doesn't make sense why the exp is so bad. it's like saying you should intentionally farm a lower gpm farm and if you don't mmorpg's aren't for you>>584285686no, you really don't. it's 78% as much as it was in classic.
>>584286051Imagine if they had the balls to do a reverse jrpg. And the Church of the Light was actually this incredibly wonderful organization full of heroic knights and priests giving their lives in battle for the innocent. badass final stands and shit
>>584286113anduin is a vanilla characterthis is just a vanilla character aged up
>>584286050Drop in Elves from the skySkelves get a race-specific quest to collect stones of power around the world and turn into himWith these stones of power he will rewrite reality...forever...
>>584285964What was the Jailer's planKill everybody in existence?
Can the forsaken still get horny?
>>584286202blue the jewBased!
>>584286145>it's 78% as much as it was in classic.Yes, because you can't be trusted to play in a blizzard approved way.
>>584286378blizzard is just forcing people to engage with their shitty new quests so they can say>look at all these players, we revamped talents, spell damage, quests, exp!>please don't fire us for driving retail into the ground!
>>584286152as a catholic studying to become a carmelite, there is a ton to take inspiration from by america is full of protestant heretics
>>584286035What is this measuring?
>>584286050he doesnt exist
>>584286145>it's 78% as much as it was in classic.And? The devs said farming dungeons is similar exp rate as questing. Clearly vanilla had too high exp from dungeon mobs
time to play osrs til launch. see you later bros have fun with the schizos
>>584285153He looks like he's built for big dragoness vulva
>>584286525Level 60 dps rankings
>>584284353Out of 10!
>>584286562devs also said 1-20 was just as slow in forever and classic, which is painfully untrue.
The more I read the posts about people complaining about the dungeon XP nerf, the more obvious it becomes that they're the same people who ruined the classic community
>>584286670I thought the beta's level capped
>>584286280Supposedly it was remaking how life and death works because he (supposedly) believed the current system was unjust, in that when someone dies their soul gets judged by an Arbiter and sent to an afterlife that the Arbiter thought best suited themThis meant that you could get sent to an afterlife different from anyone you had ever known and that would be where you were for eternityOr if you were very bad you got sent to the Maw (Hell) and were stuck there foreverBut halfway through the expansion he basically just said "Muahahaha my real plan all along was to make a new reality where all serve me!" so they could have their Sylvanas redemption arcBut then at the end of the last raid he makes some vague statement about a divided cosmos and "what is to come"So the answer to your question is ultimately who the fuck knows
>the dungeon experience bitch fest is continuing even after the buff
>>584286804It's all vibe-simmed
>>584286835lfm spellcleave!!!!!!!!!
>The more I read the posts about people complaining about the dungeon XP nerf, the more obvious it becomes that they're the same people who ruined the classic community
>>584286834>make the afterlife incredibly gay and retarded>make an even more gay and retarded super villain to fix it>his plan is gay and stupid>his plan relies on other characters like sylvannus acting gay and stupid >but luckily he's extra gay and stupid so gets betrayedI fucking hate retail so much lmao
>>584286835>nerfed by 80%>then buffed by 20%use simple round numbers, start with 100 and let me know what result you get
>>584286835>get 15 exp from a kill instead of 12 exp>"GISE THEY FIXED EVERYTHING"kys
>>584286912hey so just for your information, if you click the post number you want to reply to, it'll put a link to that post in your reply. welcome to the community. i can see you've already saved some funny reaction pics. looking forward to seeing more great contributions.
>>584286983noooo why can't i sit in instanced content 1-60 why do i have to step foot into the world of warcraft
>>584286804>have all the ability data at 60>have all the stat coefficients >have all the talent tree data>can put all specializations at the same item sets>can run all the known data and generate their expected dpsYou don't need to be level 60 im game now to create a sim of the performance.
>>584286902needs a cage on her clitty
>>584286168that only appears like that in retailit's a shame the corrupt janny that sits on these generals lets you faggots get away with this rule breaking behavior the only solace we take from your constant negging is it's being done out of desperation because retail wow is dead and you just can't accept that factand it looks like blizzard has no intention of putting in your horsecock fetish draenei or gobbos either, rough day for you faggots
>>584286997>>584286983Just do normal quests you absolute dumbass. They want people questing in the world. If you want to spam dungeons go play retail and classic.
>>584286912That's how I imagine the pinhead whiners too Thanks anon
>NOOOO YOU DONT GET IT I AM PLAYING THIS MMO TO INTERACT AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE WITH EVERYTHING THAT ISNT INSTANCED CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm pretty sure retail is perfect for anyone with this mindset, try it out!
>>584287086actually a good point. what IS wrong with being able to do that? if you set the xp/hour to be about the same, then it's just personal preference at that point. it's not like you're disincentivized from questing. solo questing is by far the fastest way to level, even before the nerf. i wonder what their real goal is.
>>584287274WHY ARE YOU USING DUNGEONS TO LEVEL UP
>>584287245It's not that they "want" to be in instances. It's that the world itself doesn't matter to progression.
>>584287086What's the problem? How does it impact your gameplay at all? In fact it helps you because that's 5 fewer people killing your quest mobs.
>>584287086>>584287134>if you want dungeons to give decent exp you never quest Kill yourself you retard, stop defending completely unnecessary changes that make the game worse by the people who made retail worse year after year. Why do you care if there are 10 shards of barrens instead of 11?
>>584287134No
>>584287093It won't be accurate tho since it can't sim in bugs that haven't been found yet
>>584287318i like doing it
>>584287274>ignoring the part where they admitted dungeon mob reward scaling was brokenDisingenuous faggot.
We're going to endlessly bitch until they change it. We will literally ruin the game if we have to.
>>584287245>following RestedXP guides like an autist is more fun, really guys!
>>584287384because they buffed dungeon quest xp as a trade off. it was a net buff to everyone that wasn't a complete faggot spellcleaving their way to max level
>>584287402chuckled
>>584287437If you like doing dungeons why are your crying about having to do more of them?
>>584287318Killing monsters 1-60 was the intended way to play. They only added quests later to guide players to locations that wete appropriate for them to kill enemies at. I would argue that dungeon grinding is more true to the 2004 development team's vision, than WoWF solo questing.
>>584287470No you wont, no one will even care about you the moment Forever launches and the only reason you're getting any attention right now is cause no one has anything better to do
>>584287489>using guides
>>584287274People are literal goylems, they parrot whatever they hear their favorite streamer spout.
>>584287245>talking to people in your mmorpg dungeonNot social>standing insta tagging qiest mobs, being invited to a group where nobody talks and leaves when their objective is donesocial Why do you retards think people can't do both?
>>584287495I can not imagine paying for a game just to have someone else tell me exactly how to play it. Truly a cucked existence
>>584287495Not an argument. It doesn't effect you at all so they should change it. You're being really stupid.
>>584287470things often get changed by sitting quietly and using the power of magical thinking
literally what is the appeal of using a leveling guidejust play the gameyou know where the quest hubs are you've done them a dozen times before
kek keep seething boosties, no mage faggots are here to carry you to 60. fuck off back to era
The people crying about dungeon exp don't even have beta access
>>584287567>Why do you retards think people can't do both?Why do you retards keep talking like you cant keep running dungeons?
>>584287595how does it not affect me? they have to change xp values to compensate, that was literally their stated intention. if they buff dungeon mob xp, they have to nerf dungeon quest xp and vice versa. what don't you get about that?
>>584285525>>584286902can you post sallys fat ass being grabbed
>>584287470thats me, they will fold
>we don't want you to spam dungeons>we want you to spam nightmare incursions
Can someone link me the worst first that was done with dungeon grinding? I could've sworn all those sweaty min max journey hater efficiency fags quested
>>584287567This entire thread is just a bunch of /pol/ faggots trying to do whatever they can to fight against something they perceive trans people liking. >>584287659But it doesn't effect you. So they should change it for us. >>584287686It's not where it needs to be. We want more experience before the nerf. It doesn't effect you. Stop trying to control our characters. Our characters, our choice.
>>584287579what exactly is stopping you from dungeon grinding
Why don't they just make it so you have to grind the same dungeon 50 or more times to do like that one quest to make a key for Ubrs? I must've gotten people's quests done a billion times going for that key.
>>584287334>world itself doesn't matterThen they stop playing WORLD of Warcraft.
>>584287686do you not like dungeons or something? they're optional content, anon. did someone yell at you in a dungeon group?
>>584286835L'Arachel, my beloved Serra-successor...
>>584287757Is it questing or dungeons that are now considered trannycore? I must have missed this episode.
>>584287579you're paying blizzard so you're already cucked whether you like it or not.
>>584287734even the dungeon grind times, are quest till SM, blast SM, then go back to questing, it was a uniquely SM thing
>>584287659Bro you don't understand bro. I pay them money and they tell me exactly whtmat quests to get, when to get them, and when to complete them. This way I don't waste a single second doing anything that isn't perfectly optimal on my way to 60.By the way I fucking hate those dungeon grinding players. They just optimize the fun out of the game for themselves. They need to nerf dungeons because my way of playing is superior.
>>584287782It's not giving enough experience. We want more experience so it goes faster. >>584287792My character, my choice.
What gear does Shockadin use? Are they going to be stealing cloth drops too like all the druids and shamans?
>>584287757>>584287794You havent answered the question, why can't you keep running dungeons?
>>584287708they added the dungeon quests in response to nerfing the exp. just roll it all back. why do you come here just to argue?
>>584287782Nothing, I enjoy doing dungeons so I'll do the ones I have fun doing if and when I need gear upgrades until I get those upgrades, then go back to doing whatever zone I enjoy while trannies continue to mald and seethe that they can't 5 frost mage aoe spam scarlet monastery to power level anymore
>>584284021
TRANNY MARKETERS VERSUS THIRD WORLD BOOSTERS/BOTTERS
>>584286962Yeah and it certainly didn't help they couldn't even stay consistent with the concept or his motivationsI think there's potential use of the concept of afterlives where each individual is judged and sent to a different afterlife based on what they did/who they were in life, and if that is a just/fair system when its highly possible that you would never be re-united with loved ones, but not for WoW since it, and basically everything about Shadowlands, trampled all over existing lore and created far more questions than answersAs a big WoW lore enjoyer Shadowlands was the point I stopped caring about the main timeline lore anymore, maybe Forever will be different (and no I won't share any of my copium)
>>584287734it's mages aoe farmingbut hunters solo'ing are also faster than dungeon spam
>>584287686Why can't the exp be good too, youre the one advocating for the change, surely theres a good reason for it to be so bad?
>>584287868spell power plate, but will steal trinkets and rings most likely
>>584287579>What the fuck, I paid money for Mario because I wanted to shoot guns and build bases in an open world, but Nintendo is forcing me to only run and jump! What a cucked existence!
>>584287713
>>584287868They will be using plate because they're removing armor from the item budget
>>584287868Stop trying to change the subject now that you are losing the argument.
>>584287865>We want more experience so it goes faster. noyou can still dungeon grind if you want to tho nobody is stopping youif you enjoy it idk why the speed is an issue
Tfw you get out in the WORLD of warcraft
>>584287713This but cunny Sally
>>584287868Yeah, caster cloth spell power stacking. The only ability paladins have that scales with str/weapon damage is holystrike.
>>584287973me pov
>>584287972This doesn't even make sense how fucking retarded are you
i guarantee these dungeon grind faggots are on pvp servers too. they just want to level to 60 in their safe instanced content so they can gank people actually playing the game.
>>584287954>Why can't the exp be good tooAh see you tried to get this past me but I know what you are, you're not asking for the XP to be "Good" (it's good right now) you want the XP to be the "Best" so you don't have to ever think about doing anything other than spam dungeons to get to 60 as fast as possible. You thought you could slip this past me anon but I'm wise to your tricks :)
>>584287972Not an argument. We were able to dungeon grind before the nerf to experience. It doesn't effect you. It's our character our choice so they should change it back and give us what we want.
If these people crying about dungeon exp had beta access they could actually go do a dungeon on a level appropriate character and calculate the xp/h they get from just the monster kills and then compare it to questing xp/h
>>584287914do you think that maybe the supply of people willing to run dungeons would be reduced by disincentivizing people from running the dungeon more than once?especially as the number of players drops off in leveling zones as time goes on?it's great that you don't care about how much experience YOU get from doing a dungeon, but as time goes on and people learn how slow it feels, it will change the entire community's relationship to dungeons.
>>584287930Trying to actually make the afterlife of all things a navigatable number of zones in which you gained Experience was a mistake from the paper concept. It's sad and embarassing how fiction in general has pivoted so much from story-telling to instruction-manual-writing with 'writers' thinking that establishing in-setting systems and writing the story to show how it works counts as successful writing.
I like doing dungeons for the sake of doing dungeons. I would do most of them at least once while leveling just for the sake of doing them, regardless of xp. My favorite leveling ones (BRD, maraudon, gnomer) I typically do as many times as my character xp allows me to while making sense. I'm happy with the projected dungeon xp. I played during original vanilla wow.
>>584287972I bought WoW because I wanted to fight monsters in dungeons with my friends 1-60 and not be forced into solo play just to make the game look more populated.
>>584288097>It's our character our choiceactually it's blizzard's choice and they want you to occasionally leave the instance. i'm sorry
I was deciding between Warlock and Shaman for my alt since I've leveled neither of those in any version of classic, but I think the Shaman doomposting has worked on me
>>584288157already done the math its dogshit
>>584288079Not an argument. It's our character, our choice. We should be able to level with dungeons because it doesn't effect you at all. We want it so we should have it.
>>584288161Go do a quest nigger. Save the dungeon groups for the people who still need the drops.
>>584287978>they're removing armor from the item budgetWdym?
>>584288015>redditsaber
>>584288097>>584288161>>584288193>>584288226Sorry, bro, it's your character, but Blizzard's choice. Get with the times.
If I want to crit someone into oblivion as an enh shaman do I put windfury on my weapon or use the windfury totem?
>>584287993they should nerf quest xp too
>>584288196It doesn't effect you. So we should get it.>>584288248We want to be able to level with dungeons. We pay a sub to so we should get the way we want to play. Our character our choice.
>>584288282Calling it eddit wont get you the cat. Now turn in that meat bitchboy. Oh wait. You're horde arent you?.. haha... hahahaha!
>>584288206Show me your work
dungeon levelling is fun, but even with the good exp it gets boring toward the end because you have to do it so much but its managable, the nerfs make it so you need to do it even more for the same payoff making it feel like shit, so why even bother starting if its going to make you feel like shit
>>584288226You can, nothing is stopping you. Just do it slower than you're used to idiot. Are you gonna piss and shit yourself like this when your class gets nerfed against your choice? Stupid fucking ape
>>584288319the totem is a worse effect than windfury weapon, rockbiter + totem is about on par in terms of your damage over time, but windfury weapon is much better for the random big crits
>>584287897>just roll it all back.so they should directly nerf everyone but you and your merry band of faggots
>>584288320Unironically yes. Grinding is the soul of MMOs.
>Do quests>Go into dungeons if I have quests for them or if I'm after certain items, or as a way to play with multiple friendsIsn't this how most people play the game?
>>584288404But it wasn't slower before. They nerfed us for no reason. We want to level with dungeons so we should be able to. Our character our choice.
You're all weaklings. Real wow players do nothing but kill mobs in the open world to level. Regardless of quest availability.
You know the guy crying about dungeon exp is just trolling, right?
>>584288249 cloth item = 100 spirit + 100 int + 100 armor = 100 item level worth of points(old) plate item = 80 spirit + 80 int + 1000 armor = 100 item level worth of points
Kek the tranny thread is dust in the wind
>>584288496Nothing is stoping you. Go level in a dungeon nigger faggot
>>584288510i did this in 2019 on priest, i did 1-60 in a week and a half irl
>>584288320>they should nerf quest xp toomaybe, depends on the new questsbut at least they nerfed dungeons
>>584288404i don't play a shaman but i think elemental spec should be better.i don't dungeon grind but i think that the experience should be higher because it punishes people who like to.it's not a zero sum game. i wish we could have real discussions here.
>significantly fewer tanks than other roles>only need to run dungeons once otherwise you're wasting time>still just faster to skip the dungeons entirely and aoe grind as a tank soloHave fun waiting forever for your group to fill losers. Tank shortage is going to be at an all time high.
Human or gnome for ally lock in pvp?Human>2% flat crit, big now that dots can crit>3min stun removal, stuns are the worst CC on a warlock>spirit useless>perception basically useless unless Spy works and you get advance notice of a rogue cloaking near youGnome>5% more mana not bad, but locks don't have mana issues, can just life tap>engineering specialization minor but no downsides>escape artist good but stun removal better>eureka is good for nuking but doesn't work with dots
>>584285804>>584285964>mixture of both Norse and Greek god pantheons>Christian influencesYou people are actual retards
>>584288478>Isn't this how most people play the game?It is but you had a small, loud and obnoxious part of the community who made it their mission to screech about people "missing out" if they didnt dungeon grind and get to max level as fast as possible in classic. So they've effectively ensured their own preferred way of playing got nuked and now they're crying about it. They're just altogether bad people and the game would be better off if they simply left.
No dungeon XP changes are gonna happen and you will keep paying your sub and you will keep bitching here where it's of no consequence. If you get help understanding any of this just ask and I'll help you.
>>584288478The easiest way to sell boosts was to just spam dungeons. A lot of Indians just lost their money making scam.
They should add in a mode that reduces quest xp by 80%, and you lose a level every time you die.
>>584288575If your "real discussion" is "wahhhhhhhhh my dungeon exp is lower!" and you're not at all interested in anything new, retail wow is right there you'll probably enjoy that more :)
alright guys hear me outbuff firestone damage and proc rateadd spellpower scalingmelee warlock
>>584288623I see deranged posts like this and then I go ingame and just have regular dungeon groups while also questing and farming out in the world
>>584288635Warlock, human for sure. The stun break is massive for warlocks. Since they're ranged the snare/slow escape isn't nearly as valuable.
>>584288478Yes, this is how most people play the game. It's simply the vocal minority + people who won't ever play Forever in the first place who keep bringing up the dungeon mob kill-exp under false sincerity in order to troll + shit up the threads, as per usual.
>>584288623>low level dungeon>needing tank spec classesOnce people realize you can press your heal spell on literally any class then the "tank shortage" wont be an issue.A hunter pet could tank a low level dungeon
>>584288678kino
yes, the plate armor made for me has 30% more stats and yes, i get damage from int now, but i NEED to wear all the leather because i do 3 more dps this way
>>584288623>Tanks as ehn shamanEyup! Not my problem ahh feels good.
>>584288575>i don't dungeon grind but i think that the experience should be higher because it punishes people who like to.Does it? What are you basing this on? Have you tried dungeon grinding with the new (and fixed) XP rates on the beta?
>>584288089Yeah, just another strawman and posthoc rationalization because you feel the need to defend developers mistakes
They should have a mode that causes the players character to die and drop all of their armor and they lose a level and they have to rp walk and they cant accept quests and they cant be grouped and they can't learn spells.
>>584288708it's a beta and the changes they have made are not good. i'm voicing my opinion to help shape the game that i care about. you don't even seem to have a yardstick you're going by. they nerfed the numbers and buffed them. are you happy or sad about that? what do you even want, other than to argue? do you even play this game?
>>584288758That's what I'm thinking. Still gonna hold off on pulling the trigger til I see how much the orc anti-warlock racial gets nerfed.
>>584288635spirit is not useless, life tap now scales with spiritso yeah 100% human every time imagine actually rolling a gnome in 2k26. imagine the camera height
>>584288647I will bite and sincerely ask you which Norse/Greek aspects you are referring to, specifically to Sargeras / The Burning Legion prior to WC3+Future events.
>>584288794BiS is BiS. Sorry but that armor belongs to the class that is at the top of the meters.
>>584288678based
the math is the number 1 thread on the >redditright now, blizzard will make changes, dungeon grinding is numerically far slower than just grinding mobs
Warlock or Balance Druid?I can't DECIDE
>>584288757Yeah, an unfortunate side effect of spending a lot of time here is that it can give you an incredibly skewed view of the game, but then you actually log in and people are generally playing like normal
>>584288872>Pom pyro procs
why are warcraft gamer dads so cute does anyone know
>>584288714Just change it to additional fire damage scaling off of intellect on each attack instead of a chance to proc. Then add an additional talent line in the destruction tree that increases the scaling and allows interaction with your instant spells as a capstone talent
>>584288678I agree. This should be another ruleset right next to Hardcore.
>>584288647Not sure why you quoted me, I was only commenting on how badly the lore got fucked by Shadowlands
>>584288951>dungeon grinding is numerically far slower than just grinding mobswhy shouldn't it be? its instanced risk-free content
I'm glad dungeons are being nerfed that way I'm not forced to run them all day to level. No, I don't really care if it harms your way of playing, mine is more important.
>>584288969Balance druid if you're big into world pvp, warlock if you're not (they're still good, just a pain in the ass to rebuff if you die).
>>584288872I'm voicing my opinion that you're all mega faggot cry babies, slower levelling through dungeons isn't a game ruining experience. You faggots are just mad you need to engage with the game and can't cheese your way to 60. Like I said, retail wow is right there, you can even buy your way to max level and skip all the questing in general!
is gnome the best alliance priest?
>>584289031dude fuck off
>>584289087anything requiring a group should reward you with bigger rewards than anything you do solo
>>584288854I mean the XP rate is good right now, you're making the strawman yourself by suggesting unless XP is at unnerfed levels (meaning, the best) it's not "good enough". Stop being so dishonest, it's a bad look.
>>584287718Nightmare incursion locations without repeatable quest would be kinoEssentially different grinding locations that need a party to do and have open world bosses of different levels to kill
>>584288969Warlock>least played class>most wanted class>raid debuffs that no other class can provide>will be strong in wclog meta>amazing at wpvp>mid in bgs>have to deal with soul shards>have to be the summon bitchDruid>one of the most played classes>mid tier wclog meta>still needed because you need 1 per party in a raid>play style is basically the same as a warlock for pvp, dot, and kite/tank the hits
>>584289031
>>584289176why? this isn't everquest
Zones being nearly empty because almost everyone was sitting in dungeons while Sum Ting Wong the Gnome Mage clears trash in Mara/ZF/SM/etc over and over was as soulless as Classic ever got, so whatever we need to do to avoid that I'm for
>>584288903>spirit is not useless, life tap now scales with spiritWhat does this mean exactly? 5% spirit means life tap gives 5% more mana?
>>584289246ok retard
>>584288623Like half the classes can tank. If you're playing Paladin, Warrior, Druid or even Shaman you have no excuse.
>>584289176If you want to pull the risk = reward argument then dungeons should give almost no XP at all on PvP realms
>>584289058See>>584287274
>>584289031It combines the home-wrecker's natural instincts to break up a marriage, and the natural environment of World of Warcraft. Originally, you sluts did this for raid loot, or arena ranking, but now it's clear you do it for love of the divorce game.
>>584289323concession accepted
Has anyone actually done the numbers on mob exp in dungeons?
>>584289246The aspects of classic they're playing up in forever remind me of the better parts of EQ. They should just lean into making WoW like old EQ as hard as they can (Including xp loss on death).
>>584288623>two of the most popular classes can tank by simply using a different buffkeep thinking that, no one is paying you gold to run a dungeon era-faggot
>>584289385if you have to ask you literally wont understand the answer no matter how many times its broken down for you
>>584289354i was more pointing out the>He mentions that with perfect xp/hr play, the leveling rates in dungeons will be very close, if not equal to the speed you can level with optimal questing.so, they want leveling in dungeons and questing to be about the same rate. and i don't think that they are right now. but if they did make them to be about the same, i don't have a problem.
>>584289176>anything requiring a group should reward you with bigger rewards than anything you do soloIt does, it gives you good loot.
>>584289348>9 classes>3 are tanks>half the classes can tank
>>584289439The people who actually care (the complainers) arent even playing the beta, so no
>>584289439https://old.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1x4btmc/lets_end_this_xp_nerf_argument_with_real_numbers/
>>5842895214 out of 9 is LIKE half. Do you know what LIKE means?
>>584289587>login required for old.reddit linksgay
Yup, no one here is changing my mind about the XP nerfs.
PvP megaservers are not vanillalike, they are funservers.
>>584289486>optimal playWho's optimal play? Who's questing, and who is running the dungeons? Which dungeons? Are we talking about a retard who spends half their time questing actually level professions? Are we saying that optimal means I need 5 mages aoe clearing SM in 15 minutes like on era? I want the actual numbers here.
>>584289807look nigga im just the messenger
>>584289587>login required>the anon begging to revert the dungeon exp nerfs is a literal redditorlol
>>584289762This isn't vanilla lil gup.
>>584289302I haven't looked into it deeply, just that it's on the tooltip. I have to assume it means you get more mana and not that it also consumes more health
>>584289912just put a trip on at this point
>>584289631>3 specs per class>9 classes>27 specs>3 are tanking specs>3/27>11%>yeah that's like half
Ok bros I'm back, where did we leave off? One of you can take a break, I'll take your place and start insulting these instance dungeon trannies.
>>584289895>having a sub for classic means you're literally a retail player
>>584289587Screenshot it
>>584290025what if i tank in ret?
>>584290012>just put a trip onThat's not the spirit of 4chan. Lurk more lil gup.
>>584290012Now you lil gup.
>>584289587>his dungeon example is deadmines>his questing examples are from level 35-40 where you have the most quests available >literal self-proclaimed ERA minmaxerlol
>>584290025Ah true.... Just one more thing... Did he say spec or did he say class? Just answer that please.
>>584289738can you not just delete the old. and it works?
>>584290148You cant, you'll be oom every pull.
>>584290012>mfw gup is this lil
>>584290265I have no fucking clue what you're going on about lil gup.
>>584290209it's columbo-sama...
all gup posting is jewish
>>584290265damn, somebody come get they gup
simmer down lil gup
my gf got me a wow:forever themed collar :3
>>584290265Where you not bitching about e-celebs then immediately start talking about real celebs? HOW EMBARRASSING
>>584290342kike
We support Palestine here lil gup.
desu classic gameplay kind of sucks cock and i wish they did it more sod style. if they took sod and rolled it back maybe 10% and used that as the base i'd be all over it
>>584286835If they dont get the dungeon exp nerf reverted there will be a great famine all over Iran! Their livelihood literally depends on being able to sell dungeon boosts now that GDKPs are mostly banned.
all this lil gup posting makes me think of that "im nothing like yall niggas" meme where the gold fish is jumping out of the fish bowl into a bowl of piss but I can never find it.
oy vey, joseguping it ain't easy
>>584290706>Their livelihood literally depends on being able to sell dungeon boosts now that GDKPs are mostly banned.Yeah this is the problem, and why the brownoids wont shut the fuck up about it
>>584290706>now that GDKPs are mostly bannedi just run them from my discord and it's fine. you just can't advertise them. it's like a don't ask don't tell sort of thing.
>>584290684sod was fun man idk why they got rid of literally fucking everything instead of building on that
>>584290684You can keep playing sod or just go straight to retail where they copy pasted all those abilities from.
>>584290849>trade the gold in gameUh oh just got flagged as RMT
>>584290653trannies got your back, gup
>>584290684sod was retoliet liteforever is also retoliet lite
>>584290974And you are a paypig who is currently subscribed
>>584290870idk why they couldn't put in a similar rune system. just for build diversity's sake if nothing else. you don't even have to remove anything, just add parallel playstyle options.>>584290936yeah
>>584291026not subbing until the 27th gupon that osrs shit rn
erm
>Hunter>Feral Druid>RogueReeeeee can't pick
>>584291084breathe in the sovl gas
how do I get my gf into wow if she mostly likes risky rain 2 and factorio and deadlock
>>584287792>we changed questing in groups in forever>quest items are round robin now>I mean it's still way slower than being a nigger and tagging everything yourself in the most antisocial way possible, and it only affects mob drops>if you want to play with other people in an mmo you can do a dungeon>only once though wouldn't want things to get too out of hand with people playing together
>>584289587>classic example run is level 20 character>forever is level 21>green mobs give like 10% of the exp of a yellow mob
>>584290959NTA but instead of trading gold for it they'd just cut out the middle man and sell it for actual cash. People silent in game doing a pug together and only talking in a discord isn't going to flag anything when the bet on discord and swipe on discord. There wouldn't be any trial of gold trading hands either, the game would see just people doing a raid and then a guy getting the item with nothing trading hands.
>>584291145i couldn't make mine heal me but she is going warlock which is better than nothing. you just start asking her questions about what race and class she is going to play and then when the time comes she plays
>>584291145You put a ring on it for having an autist gf
>>584290959I reserve drops and people just paypall me the money. That is why Iranians stopped qwetching about it, you can still RMT. Dungeon boosting is the side hustle you do during off times when raids are harder to fill, they need this otherwise they will not be able to make a living.
>>584291145She has better taste than you, don't ruin that
SOD-
>>584291503not like this
>>584291503season of discovery with a bonus electron?
Playable Broken instead of Draenei when?
>>584291503you already had bbc
>want to play warlock so I can summon raiders and have them say thank you
how does ret pally gearing feel?there's a ton of gear that works for warriors all through the leveling process, but aren't you going for more spell damage and int and shit for paladins? is shit itemized for that?
>>584290265>>584290639damn, lil gup couldn't swim with us
wow is a 30dollar sub, because you have to buy spotify to not want to sudoku while questing
>>584283943noooo you dont understand if im on layer 3 out of 10 its going to be less crowded than if it was layer 3 out of 20
>>584291829Theres better gear throughout the leveling process for everyone in general but I'm sure specifically spell power plate gear will be a lil rough to find before max which doesn't matter too much. There could also be great end game crafted sets.
>>584291973You can just pirate music doe
>>584291973>he pays for music with ad breaks
>>584291084>The skelves plan all along was to turn the whole world blueBros....
>>584291973your youtube sis? your rumble.com/nickjfuentes? your cytube?
>>584291503Yep, this.
>>584291973>using spotify>paying for spotify
>>584292070spotify doesnt have ads when paid
>>584290842>be rich jew superhero actor that still looks young in middle age and is friends with dicaprio the yacht supermodel king>best you can do is a 4/10 bottle blonde
OGRES
>>584291973For me its jewtube
The gup nigger had a meltdown and had to call in it's janny lolAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAseething kike, so that's why you went silent for the last ten minutes
>>584291758>them say thank youthis rarely ever happens tho. you'll log in early to farm shards for nothing lol
Shadowfang Keep (Assuming yellow level, can be a little more generous with orange)~110 mobs killed on average + 10 or so non-elite worgs + 8 Bosses = range of 16k-20k on-kill Exp, averaged to 18k for yellow/orange mob status, to be generous. 18k - (18k * 0.76% = 13600) = ~4,400 kill Exp per run.Classic SFK quests (Arugal Must Die, Deathstalkers in Shadowfang, The Book of Ur): 3,300 Exp + 2,000 Exp + 2,100 Exp.Forever SFK quests, with 2.68x modifier (current) : 8,850 Exp + 5,350 Exp + 5,600 Exp.Classic SFK on-kill Exp: 18,000 Exp.Forever SFK on-kill Exp: 4,400 Exp.Classic SFK: 18k Exp per run, + 7,400 Exp from quests.Forever SFK: 4,400 Exp per run, + 19,800 Exp from quests.
>>584292174'ate humiesluv smashin'
>>584292215anon the joke just quit being funny. you have to get out more.
>>584292078bruh
>>584292242bleak
>>584291973sis your adblocker?
>>584292159Wouldn't know since I have never used it
>>584292242its even more grim with repeated runs
>>584292285shh, gup kike
>>584292242its a heckin beta you chud incel
>>584292242it's only about 1/4 of classic exp.this is good because uhhh...
>>584292242>0.76%Apparently it's 60%
>>584292336im helping the gdp using my eurobux on spotify
>>584292336Youtube is still fucking up with adblockers on
Have the devs said anything about rethinking spell power stuff? I find it weird that I buy a spell rank, it costs more mana and has a longer cast time but only does 2 more damage. Spell power is nowhere as ubiquitous as they seem to think it is, not in the values that is able to make a difference.
>>584292475how much eurobux you get per month welfarebro?
>>584292242what is genuinely wrong with this design?you do it for the quests/chance for gear, if you still want gear just run it again. or even a third time. or fourth.what's wrong with running the dungeon multiple times? isn't that what you wanted to do anyway? hello?
>>584292242Fucking finally someone showing the real math. The quest xp nerf was too harsh, now dungeons are giving less overall xp than classic on top of being worthless to do multiple runs.
>>584292627i think people are bitching enough that something will be done. the screenshots are egregious.
>>584292592I haven't had any issues, maybe stop using chrome?
>>584292681STFU and go do some ChatGPT generated quests, we're HOME
>>5842926321500ish
>>584292668>what's wrong with running the dungeon multiple times?Are you retarded? The issue is you get virtually zero xp for doing a dungeon run with no quests. Gear upgrades help you level faster, but you are leveling slower by chasing random dungeon blues because you get no xp from doing so.
>>584292668because tanks and healers arent going to q with dogshit xp
>>584292774damn wtfthat's equivalent to having 150k in etfs what country, are you physically disabled or something?
>doing dungeons for no xp and maybe some gear at 60, l:>doing dungeons for no xp and maybe some gear at 30, D:<
>>584292810Tanks and healers will start charging gold for runs which will really chap asses on the Forever team.
>>584292887it would be more but they dont give me the rent payment because i live at home so no rent costs, adhd and autism
>>584292921Because you are done with needing xp at 60 and only want gear. The only reason you want gear at lower levels is because it helps you reach 60 faster.
The difference between how people here talk about how things are in-game versus how they actually are is pretty staggering sometimes
>>584292627>Have the devs said anything about rethinking spell power stuff?No, it's pretty much mandatory. If they went back to the old way it was then hybrids would have to suck again since they could do strong physical dps then strong heals and strong spells all at the same time so they have to take the power out of the base spells.You're just going to have to get good gear to notice big changes like physical dps always had to. The balance of classes before 60 really doesn't matter and we need to stop being retarded and trying to balance the game around a level 30 beta.
>>584288226I'm pro-world content and I want the devs to forbid you from leveling in dungeons because that's not how Metzen and the original devs designed the game around and their word is law.
>>584292921The gear at 60 has more permanence. The gear at 30 doesn't and your main goal is leveling up, so you have alternatives to consider, which is just questing.
>>584292887Not that anon but I'm getting 600€ per month and I live with my parents so my food and housing are "free". No disabilities, just unemployedThis is why the third world is flooding europe btw, they get free gibs worth more than they could make working in their shithole countries and the more kids they pop out, the more money they get
>>584293180I wonder what their sims look like with the modified spells and spellpower
I don't care if it hurts you, as long as the boosters can't do it anymore I'm happy.
>>584292921
>>584293180Just because things are balance at 60 doesn't mean you should throw everything away between level 1 and 59. Specs should come online and different times with different power spikes. I felt that they had enough spell power in gear because they were going to throw blues at you, but then people complained about all the blues and then people complained about the blues and now a lot of spell power went from a lot of dungeon/questing rewards.
>>584293180>The balance of classes before 60 really doesn't matter and we need to stop being retarded and trying to balance the game around a level 30 beta.we ought to balance around that because people who actually raid at 60 are a minority of players. the vast majority stop somewhere on their journey to 60 and never come back.if your character feels like shit to play, you quit playing.
>>584292308>>584292368>>584292435>>584292464>>584292668>>584292681I'm willing to be a little not-pessimistic about it, at least under level 35 or so. Putting SFK being done about level 22, 4,400/29,000 is about 15% of Level 22 -> 23, while 19,800/29,000 is 68% of Level 22 -> 23, with SFK being just 3 quests Horde. This means you can basically get Level 22 -> 23 just from SFK quests, first run, and maybe a 2nd run if you wanted more gear opportunities, while a 3rd run would ensure it. From there, you've got RFK, Wetlands, Stocks if Alliance, Blackfathom Deeps within your level range. Assuming each of them gets a run right after the SFK, with a little questing to account for having all the dungeon quests if need be, you can still roughly average out that each dungeon almost = 1 level, while +1-2 more runs works it out. Maybe not Stocks, though, lol. So you can probably still pretty comfily get to 26/27 just from dungeon-hopping, rather than sticking to the same dungeon (unless you want specific drops).Then the window extends into Dalaran, Gnomer, SM first half. So getting to about level 30 still seems pretty secure through dungeon-jumping, but not dungeon farming. This seems pretty in-line with what Blizzard's aiming for, having the mid-game be more option-available with questing, dungeons, battlegrounds, crafting, objective-seeking etc stuff to stretch out this level range. For the dungeon farmers, this is also around the range where their time in the dungeons exchanges Exp+Time profit for (lesser)Exp+BoEs/Gold. I'd have to do more dungeons+math, and maybe consider the 4.3x modifier we had prior to the 2.68x adjustment we have now, but seems decently rewarding.>>584292468Makes it a little more generous, then. 18k - (18k * 0.6) = 7,200 On-Kill Exp per run
>bro I NEED to sit in SM all weekend to get 10 levels, I just have to! I can't possibly make a choice between xp or good loot for my level!
>>584287438based retard
>>584293501SM grinders gonna be shocked when they learn blizzard added an entire new 35-45 zone to quest in
>>584293483this doesnt take into account getting those dungeon quests and the chains for them, some of them are ridiculous and take a long time
>>584293590Does that new dungeon have a hot QUEEN BITCH like Whitemane?I think not.
>>584293501>bro i NEED to be compelled to farm 16 bear nuts and 24 orc hymens and escort fizzbop wizzlefist across stranglethorn vale because i just wouldn't do it of my own volition!!!>blizzard lead me not into temptation!!! please nerf the dungeon xp!!!
>>584293232I'd hop on US unemployment which is a lot more generous but also a lot more strict. Gotta show you've been working recently and that you got laid off. I assume in EU you can just apply whenever?
>He thinks I'd go in to Stranglethorn willingly
>>584293610Yeah, my math is presumptious of just having each dungeon quest, with a lot of rounding up to account for what later dungeons' quests sometimes take to have in the first place.
>>584293590with everyone else, not gonna be efficient
wow should be ONLY dungeons
>>584293902wow should be only one dungeon and it takes 7 days to complete and you ding 60 when you kill the final boss. (there is only 1 boss)
>>584293902Check out Talebound when it drops on Retail.
>>584293712if you want excellent gear for your level, feel free to do a dungeon or two. if you want fast levels, head out in the world and questsimple as
>>584293902wow should be only dungeons and have a cool story and not have tranny tumblr art.
do jannies ever browse /vg/? that fucking thread has been up a whole day
>>584291973I sub to Tidal.
>>584294015>tailboundbdsm furries in forever when?
>>584289194i love killing elites inside a dungeon for 30xp when the mob right outside the dungeon gives 200 and dies faster too
>>584293480That's pretty much impossible right now and problems classic has always had like trying to fight a hunter and his pet low level, enh shaman before and after windfury, dagger rogues being complete dog shit until you've raided, ect. You stack on top of that classes are getting their entire talents trees moved around or reworked or new skills are being added or skills being removed from classes, you just can't balance early game right now until they figure out how they want the class to work at end game and have it balanced to be good at end game. After the class is balanced at end game and figured out, then they can go back and see pain points of adding a good item upgrade here and there to help boost a class that needs it, but we aren't there yet.
>>584293770There's no requirement to even have worked ever. The only requirement is having to be actively searching for work which for me is applying to two jobs once a month and sometimes doing some classes meant to help you get employed
>>584293902all the actual wow content is instanced based
>>584293902>>584293976When you think about it the open world is basically one big dungeon with everyone in it.
Would you be okay with Whitemane surviving SM in Forever or coming back as a DK?
>>584294142fuck, she's right
>>584294157especially with the heckin based layers in every zone
>>584293902Fellowship is right there for you, anon.
when is the name reservation thing? and the hour it starts? I don't want to lose my ign
>>584294185They wasted her as a DK, so the true Forever solution is for the Worgen to join the Horde and to infect her with Worgenism to become the true Whitemane.
game only had praise by the shills for 3 weeks, now comes the controversy, how will blizzard handle it? they failed with sod and with classic
>>584294185she can come on my d(ic)k
>>584291145Not a girl and neither are you
>>584294256>all those indian/negro handslmao
>>584294072they sit in this thread all day long, if something that breaks the rules stays up, it's up because they want it to be, most likely because they're falseflagging or really deep down seething from it still, this is truly an awful board with extremely corrupt moderation and if you call it out you get dog piled by their discord brigade projecting their mental illness
>>584294249She was the best of the new helpful DK, wish they gave her more to do.
>>584294185She could come back as my wife
>>584294256>Members onlySign of a pure grifter right there.Told you so btw
>>584294185They need to keep her hot, they made her ugly as a DK.
>>584294185We should kill Balnazzar and the alliance should pardon the entire Crusade
My dwarf's name is Phyuck Yiu and I still haven't had to change it.
I like that detail of having to use your skyelf slowfall thing to land on thunderbluffnow make them able to be all 3 clothies please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSPw9IAvPbE Well shit I feel so down now. WoW forever Claystone wants vertical progression albeit very slow increase. It's still vertical progressionHype for me is dead until they explain this more or properly make Horizontal progression
>>584294594Built for big green cock
Why can't Blizzard jsut make Forever like OSRS?
>>584294594Blue the jewBased Blizzard!!!
>>584294595How would horizontal progressions work with World of Warcraft's stat system?
>>584294592If your name wasn't stopped by the filters during creation the only way it gets banned is enough people (probably multiple) report you, and the only way that really happens is if you act like a retard in a global chat
>>584294595Told you faggots
>>584294825Gear with +5% against humanoidsGear with +5% against elementalsGear with -5% damage from humanoidsetc,-10% chill effectstuff like this
>>584294595why do you faggots act like horizontal progression is impossible? GW did ages ago so did ESO
>>584294256Who gives a fuck about this runescape youtuber? Go back to playing your cookie clicker phone game with nothing but rmt.
>>584292242Is it actually currently 24% though? Why can't someone just make a video comparison?
>>584293819Riverlgades is untouched by beta streamers. It will be filled with easy quests and tons of blue rewards.
>>584294595Sounds very concerning, I am concerned about the potential for doom here
With how off their numbers have been with the stuff they are showing its crazy to me that they are keeping endgame items under wraps. you would think they would allow people to see what endgame gear looks like so feedback can be given before release.From the gear that we can see the caster situation looks bleak. sageclaw (AB dagger) which is one of the few level 60 items we know the stats of shows +64 spellpower over the classic counterpart. AB caster shoulders, WSG bracers, and AV offhands all have the same stats. rank 11 fireball does 200 less damage and mages are the least fucked caster when it comes to these changes.where is the lost power coming from? are we to assume that the other items simply havnt been updated yet despite being visible in the beta? why would that be assumed when the updated weapons are already visible? are we going to get raid prebis just to feel as strong as a naked vanilla wow caster? the game releases in 3 weeks. it feels like people are going to hit 60 before blizzard realizes how fucked up itemization is and have to completely retune every item in the game a month into release
>MUH HORIZONTAL BUZZWORD hahaha
>>584294941Given the zone-based set bonuses we've seen so far, I wonder if that's going to be a common theme where a lot of gear power is restricted to certain instances.
>>584294128That strains credulity. I mean it's very little money but presumably you could be earning that in addition to investment income and any undeclared odd jobs or income streams.
Is it time to start posting it bros?
>>584295016
>>584294594and they immediately fuck it up by sending you to thrall, and then he sends you to meet the other race leaders, meaning you have to go back to TB to speak with cairne, which you could've done before.who designs quests again?
>>584295016I just did quickie math based on 80% reduction -> 20% buff (to the 80% reduced value). I could go check in-beta, but I used wowhead's page for SFK (Classic) and SFK (Forever) for the quest exp differences, as they are recorded.
>streamers get a kickback from restedxp>aggrend is obsessed with streamers>aggrend plays with restedxp on>aggrend guts dungeons and specifically says he only wants players to quest
>>584295205Claude
>>584295009>Who gives a fuck about this runescape youtuber?lots of people
>>584294595you can only progress in so many ways. do you want mounts mogs cheevos or do you want to be stronger in combat? otherwise people will lose motivation to play, it's inescapable
>>584295205Having you land in a place just to leave and then be sent right back is L I T E R A L L Y classic quest design down to a T.
>>584294941>>584295118So far from the Hyjal sets, the sets themselves maintain class-based buffs regardless of location, while the Profession-based crafts, such as Flasks or grenades or Enchants, have zone/raid-specific additional benefits, such as Flasks giving Effect, +Hit (In Hyjal areas), or the Enchant Chest - Stats having a Stats+Nature Resist version.
>>584295324NO IT WILL BE HORIZONTAL JUST LEVEL AN ALT LEVEL A MILLION ALTS IN THEE WORLD AHHHHHHH
>>584295245>restedxpfirst time i hear about this.it's incredible how people go far and beyond to suck the fun out of EVERYTHING
>>584295458It's against TOS as well because it's a paid addon but blizzard employees and streamers use it so they let it stick around
>>584295523Your ownedcore?
>>584295458for millions of dollars*
>>584295392No, it's bad design. Not only inneficient, but also makes no sense that the at first place you are welcomed as a refugee, you don't go straight to their leader, and instead go to thrall
>>584295582Piracy does not change the TOS hope that helps
>>584295523>but blizzard employees and streamers use itthat's fucking sad.
>working 8 days in a row and then immediately going to an out of state wedding im obligated to go to for someone i dont really give a shit about>i get back on the last day of betaIt's not fair...
>>584295626oh no not my heckin efficiency!!!!
game was doomed when they nerfed dungeon exp>oh you mean when they nerfed dungeon quest exp?no, when they buffed quest exp and nerfed dungeon mob expthey want you to level up using only their chatgpt fetch quests and joining a dungeon means rushing to get ur little faggy quest done and getting out asapthey made wow forever just to sell more restedxp subscriptions
>>584295708Griffith?
>>584295720That's what you get for using HD models.
>>584295626>Not only inneficientSilence, I've heard enough already. Fun dies on the altar of efficiency.
>>584295523The addon is free, the guide is a pdf that the addon loads and that's the part thats not free
>>584295771This one looked a little closer to that
>>584295720retail tranny face BARF
>>584295523its not against TOS, its using a loophole and the devs wont close it while getting kickbacks
>>584295852GRIFFITHHHHH
>>584295725as i said, it's not only about efficiency, but also world buildingyou don't arrive as a refugee in TB and skip pass Cairne
>>584294595I don't mind vertical progression if its like, super squished down. I don't want the jump between MC and Naxx to be nearly the same, I'd like it to be MC to BWL. People will still be happy seeing number go up but number up doesnt need to be extreme.Also if they do an eventual "reset" then all of that gears ilevel should be set to like tier 1 or pre bis so its still useable.
>>584295720Who cares, it's just the beta.
berserk obsessed janny shitting up the thread, grim
>>584295765uhm sweaty if you actually enjoyed dungeons you'd do them anyway, in fact you must hate dungeons and love questing since you're going to quest instead of do dungeons, sad you can't bypass most of the game? Good I'll slurp up your little bitchmade tears as you group with me to get these quests done
>>584295852>>584295708it's pretty sad to constantly roll a dice hoping for a good resultgo back to lolis
>>584296043sad?who doesn't love gambling?
skelves I'm fine with being blue but having pink fucking hair...
>>584296018http://capnbry.net/wow/gspots.phpi hit my gspot till 60, not grouping still
If you want to run dungeons more than once you hate classic
I can't do it, I can't maintain any motivation to keep playing the beta because it just means doing the exact same goddamn thing on release, except I know it's all just going to disappear here.
>>584296148based
Whitemane gambling
>>584296043>it's pretty sad to constantly roll a dice hoping for a good resultthats how AI slop works dude also I dont do loli
>>584296123Blue the jew
The real gamble was buying in to this beta and hoping they wouldn't fuck it up so bad that I don't even want to play on launch anymore by the end
>>584296223>also I dont do loliweak
>>584296312wheres lolimane with anduin?
>>584296148SVVL OVVRDVSE
>>584283736I played Shadow Priest all throughout Legion therefore this is rightly mine
How do you guys find something new to bitch about to an absolutely obsessive degree each and every week>inb4 where do you think we areWhich would be valid if I thought even half of you were actually playing Forever and not just bitching for the sake of bitching.
>>584294256>attempt to steal retail players>expect not to get charged like retail playersonly retards could not see this coming.
>>584296308I'm obligated to play on release because of a few friends who want to play but I don't see myself sticking with it more than 6 months, balancing is fucked and not just because it's beta they clearly have no idea what they're doing, my favorite class is now stuffed full of retail shit, my favorite aspect of the game is dungeons and those are now going to effectively be dead as well
Need a Scarlet Crusade slice of life anime
>>584296312>>584296337
just make a YouTube channel with some commentary and show different shots of gameplay.
>>584296667You can only mess this up if the video has no topic and is just called "Let's Play #45"It has to have direction and topic."My thoughts on Balance Druid in WoW Thoughever."with a Skelf Male Balance Druid on the Thumbnail."Can I really make a Battlemage in WoW Thoughever?!"With a Sky Elf Arcane Mage on the Thumbnail who has engineering goggles and a sword.
Aggrend literally hates warriors by the way. He expect war sissies to be his tank so he can drop FAT dps on his RET paladin fUUUUaaaarkkk!!You will not be a dps warrior.You will use the sword and board.Hybrid classes aren't meant to deal big damage but Paladins will. This is literally devs who main paladin's wet dream coming to fruition. Ret paladins will run this game fuuuuark
>>584296758>Thougheverwhy?
>>584296604
>>584296912The word reminds me of her.
>>584294072not only do they browse they make it worse on purpose
this drives me up the wall
>Warrior unanimously agreed to be the worst class for pvp>They're not even complaining and have simply accepted itwtf
>>584297123They are the worst at 30. Nobody gives a shit about 30 pvp except streamerfags. Warriors with a pocket healer will still dominate at 60.
which paladin is easier and more braindead to lvl up, ret or prot
>>584294941That's not horizontal, that's just vertical with extra steps.
What is the Kettle Cooked Sea Salt Chips of Race/Class Combinations?
>>584297191>bro this class is amazing you just have to have another player who follows you around all the time, bro you'll be 2v1ing people like crazy
>>584296954I think Mograine would cave your skull in
>>584297123Warrior players aren't going to play Forever because they know Paladins are going to be the #1 class for Forever's entire length, assuming Aggrend doesn't choke to death on a cookie.
>trannyrriors were op for 25 years and can't mentally handle being balanced now
>>584297285Human Warrior
>check retail>check multiple servers with the characters I have and all the trade chats are completely dead>check moon guard and the trade chats alive but people are doing nothing but linking their transmog and openly inviting each other for erpthis shit is so fucking dead, holy hell.
>>584296604very good now go kill those skeletons in desolace for half the season
i dont know if i want to main mage or warlock, with a shaman or warrior alt...
>>584295765Just play retail if you faggots hate the WORLD of Warcraft so muchHonestly, go play fucking retail it's literally right there
>>584297123Because level 30 means nothing to a warrior. No mortal strike, no bloodthirst, no shield slam. At most like 15% crit? Yeah no shit warriors are bad at pvp at that level. You don't really feel like you're playing the same game between level 30 and level 60 with a moderate amount of gear.The whole reason why world buffs broke warriors was because they're essentially equipping an additional set of tier 2.5. Warrior at level 30 is like the average dps warrior in 2005. Warrior at level 60 is like the average warrior in classic phase 4. It's a completely different game.
>>584297556they killed their old game modes by announcing forever and will kill the entire wow franchise because forever is a complete piece of shit of a game and they have no idea what they are doing with it
>>584297481Mages won't play either because Paladins are better at AoE than them now.
>>584297481why doesn't this logic ever apply to mages in pvp, why does only one mini-game mode matter to you, tranny niggers
>>584297556everyones busy playing the game instead of using trade when the auction house existswhat do people even need trade chat for in retail? groups and raids has the group finderall professions have vellums or recipes that can be made to vellums to be sold on the AH
Why is literally every quest reward a fucking mace? One handed or two handed. Only 1 sword for every 8 fucking maces, playing human feels shit. I know more classes can use maces (druid, shaman, priest for example), but from 1-30 there is only like 1 spellcasting 1h sword and 1 spellcasting 2h sword.
>>584297706
>>584297583just gotta accept that Blizzard hit it outta the park and most of the race/class combos are blatantly cool. And ya have to pick something.
>>584297123There is a warrior on Horde right now that is making up for it with gear. Dude named Worstclass Foreverpvp is rolling over Venruki and Ziqo with a full set of stam frost resist/arcane resist cloth gear and engineering shit.
>>584295324Make all raids viable to be gone into woth blues you farmed from dungeons.Raids can be fun for itself rather than just gear.Mechanics and difficulties and adventureAs for the gear you can make them unique and flavorful that has strength but scoped. +5% against beast, +10%against beastsImagine a full anti-beast gear if you farm Zulgurub enough.That gear is about as good as too tier Blue gear unless it’s against beasts where it immidiately becomes BiS against beastLook at the itemization of Ragnarok Online 1 (before Renewal) for example for an example of horizontal gear progression.You can have minor vertical progression between raid tiers of the same package. But every introdcutory raid for that package must be doable by Blue gesred dungeon BiS.Someone stopping and starting should never be penalized into a threadmill. Gear should always be valuable.Better gear on the more difficult raid tiers is fine but only within it’s expansion.Next expansion should start again from T0People who have T5 from previous expac will have an easier time naturally or if you did it super well there are resistance checks of sorts you’ll need for that new tier set too. There are multiple ways to go about thisCheck GW2 and OSRS
>>584297947yeah i like the idea of being able to use different spell schools and teleport/portals, but having flavors between the lock specs (also was thinking s priest but aff lock seems like it will be way way better as a dot class) and i'm always going to dungeon entrances so summoning would be useful for me
>>584297583Shaman is so fucking cool, I can't wait to enh it up.
>>584298068Literally nobody wants to carry a dozen sets of gear in their inventory where the only difference is +% to beastsWoW:FOTM__
>>584297279It’s horizontal because there would be an infinite amount of BiS list depending on situation.You can even have flavorful set pieces that change how your class plays.
I have hope in Forever ironing out the kinks but I feel that the November release date is too fast and is probably mandated by Microsoft. The game will most likely still be in constant flux on many of its changes, which can be good or bad up to you. Forever really is a leap of faith.
>>584296496i refuse to play blizzard 60$ for the privilege to play their beta. so this is as close to it as i can get.
>>584298397when items are memes like that nobody cares.
>>584298397Human raid drops, equip your anti-human gear, it drops anti-beast gear, beast raid drops, equip your anti-beast gear, it drops anti-dragon gear, dragon raid drops, equip your anti-dragon gear, repeat. That's not horizontal in any way.
I'm the Elf God
>>584298242People will if the increase is massive enough.If in total you did +50% or even +100% more damage than an equal leveled guy against an area say moltenncore due to elemental weakness of water then people will want to gear up for their epeen parses.Notice though that this means their gear is situational. So they’re equally as powerful as new fresh guys on the other raids that are not weak to water etc
>>584296620>3 times a weekthose numbers seem small?
yeah but woyer is fun though.who gives a shit if paladin is the favorite. i'd rather suck start a shotgun than watch my guy auto attack, interspersed by judgements and the occasional holy strike.
>>58429861714 a week is bare minimum
>>584298728They're going to make it so that having a Warrior in your group is actively detrimental.
>>584298606No they wont. Its just useless shit since you can clear it without it.
anyone else kinda, bored?
>>584298728I like slamming big weapon and taking hithurt and hurt alike
>>584299013How many 30s do you have?
>>584298035that doesnt really reflect on the class though. literally any class can stack resistance and full counter casters that have limited access to different damage types. its why I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that despite all the bitching about mages and ice lance that the winning class of the tournament will absolutely not be a mage
>>584298529That’s flavorful horizontalIf done correctlyYou described a serial system rather than being able to find anti-xxx gear everywhere from grinding or crafting or from different raids and such.The goal as always is to have fresh dungeon Blue lvl 60s to be able to start any starter raid in a set.Sure they’ll have a harder time but it should always be doable. Gear would only make the specific raid easier and get higher parse if you want that.Riads and dungeons should be designed with adventure and fun in mind rather than just gear. Gear should be the same strength relatively for each tier.If blizzard really wants to have some level of sloght vertical progression in a horizontal world then jt must be implimented like thisA-T0A-T1A-T2A-T3B-T0B-T1B-T2B-T3These are different expansions A and BBut new blue gear guys can always do T0And A-T1 vs B-T1 has equal strength gears with different itemization or different flavor or deifferent specific stregnths and weakness
daily reminder heat levels were the most retarded thing they added to molten core
>>584283637Question: By level 20 (as paladin) should I be specifically hunting for spell power gear?
How long will it be before the alliance whines so hard about undead paladins it gets pallys nerfed across the board
>>584298913Never underestimate the parsetrannies
>>5842991060 i cant bring myself to lvl anymore im 21 and im so fucking bored its unreal. at least when dungeon quest xp was good it was fun. right now all i can do is force myself to play through boring quest for the 500th time.
>>584298865prot is really good and fury is finethey will be ok
>>584299270Try the opposite faction with a class you've never played. If you're still bored then just play some retail or something- I don't know.
>>584299292They still suck ass in pvp so I don't see how there will be much whining
>guild i played with in anni wants to play Horde>i want to play Alliance aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>584299106
>>584299106Nta but I have a 30, 2 in their 20s, and 2 others I didn't even get to 10. I'm burned out, I'm just gonna sit this shit out until release, gives me time to play other things.
>>584299217I hope its just all melee players in the top 8 who farmed shadow/frost/holy/nature resist gear for every matchup against casters. But it will most likely just be all hunters.
>>584299582based
>>584299582Why are they all in TB?>inb4 it's the best horde capitalThat's true but it's also completely out of the way in terms of actually doing stuff.
>>584299496>suck ass in pvpthey're possibly the 2nd or 3rd best duelist class in the game.
I’ve never been a tank.I want to use plate and a shield.What are my options for alliance? Warrior and Paladin?What races go well with these classes?What is the difference in play styles?What spec should i choose for going tank heavy?I’m leaning heavily toward warrior because i’ve never used rage before. But i was a priest in my last playthrough and i like healing and buffing people.
are there any classes that are actually fun to level 1-30? I think at 30 i can manage to play because theres so much extra dungeons and zones and quests at that point, plus all the talents, but right now its so fucking boring
>>584299883warrior is the true sword and board class. Paladin is more of a spellblade.
>>584299883warrior is one of the most interesting classes to play. with mana based classes, you're just pressing buttons with cooldowns, but with rage you're pressing shit when you get spikes which is much more random. it feels like gambling which is pretty good. paladin is a snoozefest. god willing they will add more spells to paladin. i want to play paladin but i don't know if i can subject myself to it. it's almost the fucking same as it was in tbc and it sucked cock and balls to play in tbc.
>>584299887Hunter, low level is arguably the only time it's fun
>>584300080I don't think paladin is a snoozefest I just don't think its for everyone. A lot of people will come in expecting retail prot paladin but paladin in general is a lot more passive because you're supposed to be spending a lot of time keeping an eye on your party members for cleanses, freedoms, and offheals. I think paladin is still going to end up doing the most damage of the tanks and will probably have the highest skill ceiling.
>>584299987>>584300080thanks palsi just wish alliance had more interesting races. i may just pull a chud move and go male human warrior since i’ve never been either.
>>584299883youre going to fall asleep pally tanking.
>>584294825It wouldn't.I made a passby post>>584200436I don't think WoWs stat system can support meaningful horizontal progression. IF that is the goal, they have to revamp everything. And if that was the goal, it should have been one of the first things they did. It should be live now, even if just a prototype.
what is the census of classes going to look like on launch i was looking at classicplus.io but i assume its pretty heavily skewed bc of le epic duel tournament
>>58430008080% of the Palasissies will never hit 60 when they realize their entire "rotation" is pressing judgment and holy strike at the same exact time every 10 seconds. They only feel fun in pvp when you actually get to press shit like Freedom and Purify and HoJ and BoP and other shit.
I wanna main a druid but i dunno if i can bring myself to level one. definitely balance at 60 but i couldnt get past lvl 22 in the beta, did i make a mistake lvling as balance/healing dungeons. do i need to feral/tank dungeons?
>>584300507The only thing I can be certain of is that all cloth classes will be some of the least played.
>>584299582BAAAAAAAAAASED
>>584300507I think in terms of popularity ON PVP SERVER it will be:>Hunter>Mage>Warrior>Paladin>Rogue>Druid>Shaman>Priest>Warlock
>>584300507Warlocks and mages and priests will be the least played. Shamans also down there for alliance. Tons of hunters, lots of warriors , rogues and hybrids.
>>584300640You should definitely level as feral. It's super easy to kill packs of stuff yourself as a bear while taking no damage and genning tons of rage even after the thorns nerf.
Do people really dislike dwarf so much that shaman is going to be underplayed on ali pvp? i think its a kino combo im going to main
>>584300640Feral is easier to level in open world but healers have easier time to get into dungeons.
>>584301084It's not for everyone. If you just swapped the race/class combos for the skyelve factions you'd actually get a closer number of shamans on both horde and alliance.
>>584298913Yeah no one's ever farmed prebis in classic
>>584300323it feels like it's close to being okay. i just wish it had a little more to do. warrior revenge feels good to press, reckoning being automatic kind of sucks. i just wish they dragged some shit in from sod.
>>584298913Bro MC is baby easy and everyone still stacks consumes, world buffs and gets their pre bis for it. People are going to do that just like they did for all of classic wow.
>>584301084who would want to be a midget? dwarfism is literally considered a disease in real lifeimagine if they made a class that is so obese that you can't walk, you can only roll, no one would play it either
>>584301174Nobody likes heat levels in MC and having to farm a stronger resist set. Its the same for Dungeon specific items too.If my power is only good in the raid and its on par with the guy who dinged 60 nobody is sticking around
>>584301287
>>584301164no one is going to play the blue the jew race that contradicts blizzrad's very own publicly stated core pillar of staying true to the vanilla ethos by adding a neutral race
>>584300507Whichever class wins the faggot duel tourney will be the most played class.
they are going to change all the racials I think before launch, if they buff human and night elf and nerf orc I won't play the game, fuck blizzard and their alliance pandering
>>584300712>mage that highlol
>>584301317People don't play classic to parse in raid tranny.
every special snowflake is rolling dwarf shaman
What is the FPV Drone of Classes?
>>584283637threadly guild recruitment post>20m>PvP>horde>EST>raid times TBDprogression focused, casuals are welcome too. we'll have a more laid-back 10m group on off-days.<Remigration>https://discord.gg/TAvXMh3zymentally ill threadposter
>their idea of "Horizontal Progression" is the SoD gimmick difficulty optionsG R I M
I will NOT be playing with <Trandate of Heaven>I simply won't do it.
>>584301394I hope mage wins then.
>>584301394The guy who is rigged to win is that warlock guy who joined after the tournament and immediately bought around 300 gold and didn't get banned for it, I guess warlocks will go from the bottom to the top.
>>584301484Hunter. >Eyes of the Beast>Eagle Eye
>>584299013Did you try erp
>>584301551>spell caster wins the PvP tournament>nobody is allowed to complain about spellpower and base spell damage nerfs anymoreWould be hilarious.
>>584301405*resists your magical shitpost and your stun**blood furies without any downsides*
I will play Forever for the first 2 months, the unsub until the next update.Its designed so players can jump back in at any time and not feel behind, so why would I continue subbing once I've downed the content?
>>584301405The only racials in need of outright buffing are skelf because they are fucking godawful>inb4 but the haste!oh whoop-dee-shit, you get 101 casts for your every 100
>>584301484warrior if you want to be the drone itselfhunter if you larp as the drone launcher
>>584301287I would and I'd name my character Blobic the Bloathog.
The built-in levitate racial for skelf is fun.
>>584301728I'd be happy if the horde skelves had the same racial as the alliance skelf. The movement speed thing is useless for the classes I want to play.
It's weird how Blizzard says they're going to be more strict on gold buying but the majority of people participating in the tournament have bought gold. But Fagrend will still say no GDKP allowed. Explain this.
ngl kinda thinking about going blue elf shaman on launch now
>>584301870The forward-facing people of blizzard klike Fagrend are butt buddies with streamers
Would sally whitemane have a chance to kill you if you were her bf? Or would she be nice
it's actually hilarious that blizzard killed their cash cow and now there's immense pressure for forever to be successful otherwise the company will probably go bankrupt and forever has 0% chance of being successful because the community expectations are unreasonable + blizzard is an incompetent company
https://youtu.be/-VcIhjYc5Ro
>>584302043she'd cheat on me with the local kids
why dont all the women in the scarlet crusade dress like sally
>>584302052They’ll put token, boosts and player homes in, don’t worry.
Will there be a tank shortage or a healer shortage?
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1x4btmc/lets_end_this_xp_nerf_argument_with_real_numbers/someone brought the real dungeons
>>584302052The whole world soul saga shit has been a wet fart.
>>584302193there will be a shaman shortage on alliance and a holy paladin shortage on horde
Guys, I don't know where I should go, Alliance or Horde. Alliance has a bunch of kinky stuff going on but I am getting tired of the political chat in general. Horde general seems to be more chill.
>>584302193dps shortage
>>584302334>holy paladin shortage on hordeAre retfags really so allergic to putting some healing skills on their hotbar?
>>584301287dwarves are super stocky, probably weigh more on average than a humana 5'0 that's 200 lbs is much more dangerous than a 6'0 that's 150 lbs. low center of gravity
>>584302416they cant even keep blessings up on others. you really think theyre gonna heal others?
>>584302414>warrior dps>competitivebet hes a BIG PUMPER
What's the easiest WoW class to play that's also useful and in demand by groups?
>>584302052You do realize they had housing planned for forever right. After one year of Forever they'll add all the features they planned to put in when TLT releases and it undersells their expectations. Forever is their new cashcow.
>>584302193>>584302414Just answer the question. Signs always point to tank shortage because for whatever reason people are adverse to not hitting the mob except you're still doing that while tanking.
>>584302558you cant go easier and more in demand than priest, healing is so braindead simple
>>584301287me because im not a midget irlid also play a fatfuck character
>>584302615ogre /v/ros...
>>584302583>Forever is their new cashcowThey’re already killing it by making it vertical progression and like retail. Lies about it being horizontal… I’m tired boss
>>584302591Tanks, its always Tanks.
>>584302193both, but not in the way you thinkthere will be tanks, but they'll all be hybrids that suck and can't hold aggro and the healers will be offspec since no one wants to play the gutted specs we're left with
If hunter is so good in wow forever can't 5 hunters just go around nuking every dungeon until level 30s
why are the female troll melee animations like that
>>584302558probably priest. shaman if alliance, nobody will care what you do if you just put the right totems down.>>584302193(good) tanks
>>584302668which is crazy since rets get free judgements and 50% cheaper consecrates all they have to do is put on righteous fury
>>584302689They could.
>>584302692Like what? Sensual?
>>584302689until they hit a boss that nukes all their pets in one hit
>>584283750but wrathion doesnt exist in forever
>>584302698blizzards days are counted dude
>>584302802not yet he doesnt
>>584302742>>584302521Ret paladins really have a bad rep.
why would you play forever (bad swtor) when you can play swtor (world of warcraft, but good)???
what does horizontal progression even mean? every one gives me a different answer
>>584302698Blizz will increase dungeon quest xp by like 5% next patch and they will all be screaming>OMG BLIZZ IS ACTUALLY LISTENING THE GAME IS SAVEDlike they always do
>>584302779They have deflection and feigns
they should put a talent in the holy tree that lets you use exorcism/holy wrath on non undead/demons.
>>584303039doesnt mean anything, blizzard also doesn't understand what it is, they are using as a marketing ploy only
>>584303039I take whatever progression that isn't modern WoW where the gear level resets every raid tier. Maybe something like TBC (minus ZA and token since you still need to interact with Tier 5 content) would be preferable.
>>584303039it doesnt mean anything you fucking retard
>>584303039osrs and ffxi are the closest, but both of them have had vertical progression toobasically without gearswaps there's no good way to add horizontal progression
>>584295626because its the earthen ring that takes you in, not the tauren as a whole. read the quest texts.
>>584303039Set bonuses are the things that will become better as the game progresses. There's a ring in deadmines that pairs with a ring from a raid. So they'll make it so that tier gear will have chase items. The goal is to have 13 raid tiers where every raid is viable for an upgrade.
>>584302613>>584302714This is why I have mained a priest through private servers and classic. Everybody always wants a priest in the group. Just stand at the back of the raid, jerk off while throwing out the occasional heal. Might even dispel something if I'm feeling generous.
>>584303039Doesn't matter because we're not getting horizontal progression.
>>584302414Feels like there’s gonna be a priest shortage a lot of butthurt priest are retooling druid due to the nerfs.
>>584303246I don't get why WoW Rule34 have to use the cartoony models.
>>584303306It'll be slightly off kilter progression
>>584303039
>>584302613>>584302714I played a Priest in retail and it was a mix of suffering and boredom.
They've already put horizontal progression in the game by having crafting gear be just as good as quest rewards and dungeon gear. Likely max level professions will be able to make BiS
rusnig tranny raid
>>584302698if you dont like the changes just make your own game its rather simple
>>584303370Can you elaborate on this? I'm not looking to be combative I'm genuinely curious.
>>584302689They'd break down psychologically from not being able to take loot from other classes.
>>584303039WHOREmane by night my wife by day
>>584287134They nerfed base spell damage on every spell rank, so you have to do their stupid no-xp dungeons to get decent gear that has spellpower on it, to get back to the same damage or healing values you'd normally be doing in classic wow, on a naked character. Clowniest fucking design imaginable from sod devs who Asha should have shitcanned the moment she had the chance.
>>584303568Lmao
>>584302151Move the tabard
Please tell me there will be PUG raids because there is no way in hell you are going to get me into a guild where i have to raid log.Raid logging is possibly the worst thing i have ever done in any video game and its negative effects even reach beyond the game
>>584303568Alright, I laughed. Have a (You).
>>584303596But all the dungeon gear that were blue are now greens that don't give spell damage anymore.
Newfag zoomer here. Do I have to heal or play some sort of support if I ever want to get into a raid? I'm assuming all the big damage roles will be filled by guild masters and their cliques.
>>584303681With realmless it will be easier to make pugs than ever before.
>>584303681i don't think you know what raid log means
>>584303681yep endgame will be easy and everyone will be bis from last tier. easy pugs
>>584303568bodied those freaks
It must be boring being alive for retoilets since retail is so deadYou could always kill yourselves
>>584303759>bodied those fweaks
>>584303681why would you raid log in forever? you only had to do it before because of world buffs which they're axing in raids
>>584303729no.the game is very easy. it's a really easy game.you will find a slot. play what you want.
>>584303729It depends on what the raid needs and how fast slots fill. In a 40 man raid entry raid it doesn't matter who you bring. It's just expected for the dps to have gear to be able to do damage after tier 1
why is there nothing to do
>barny confirmed working on a forever beta videoChances of this vid getting to 90% completion then getting scrapped like the past half dozen wow videos he was supposed to finish?
>>584303821uh because there's nothing to do? i have a life outside of this baby game. i do my raids, i get my loot, and then i get irl pussy and money u fucking fruit loop.
The new lighting sucks so fucking bad at night, you can't see anything.
>>584303039FF11Ragnarok OnlineWarframeGuild Wars 2OSRS (lol)EVEFor WoW right now, assuming they do not redo the system altogether to be more like the above, that means different set bonuses and possibly seeking out lower level items that can be upgraded or paired with higher level ones for unique bonuses and effects. Throw the concept of "item level" completely out of your head at 60.
>he doesn't have ultravisionlolMAO
>>584303938That is pretty cool
>>584303938night elves and druids in cat form should have nightvision
>>584303910what about pint?
>>584303596Bro just craft it
>>584302193Healer shortage because tanking specs are viable for leveling compared to healers.
>>584303568
>>584303729Play whatever race / class you want or find interesting. Forever is going to be filled with 35 - 45 year old dads. We don't care anymore.Plus Forever is currently unsolved. We actually have no idea what race / class will be the 'best'. New items, new talents, new abilities... it's all open to theorycrafting and interpretation.
>>584303938>cat carrying a torch in its mouthAwesome
>>584303938No Head Hunter/Berzerker, Blademaster, Warden, Tinker, Druid of the Claw/Talon etc etc classes, but hey at least we got pitch black nights and torch customizationThat's winning, right...right
>>584303596>WAAAAH WAAAAH!!! I WANT FREE DAMAGE AND NOT NEED ANY GEAR AND GET DUNGEON GRINDED TO HIT MAX LEVEL!!! BLIZZARD NERFED MY AOE FARMING CLASS SO I CAN ONLY AOE FARM 4 MOBS INSTEAD OF 5!!! WAAAAH!!!!
>>584303938There really should be more soul gas when you think about it. Fog settles in at night, so you shouldn't be able to see more than ten feet.
but not little Whitemane
>>584303739getting into a raid always meant:1. you need to be a in a guild2. you need to actually be in the guilds raid roster3. you have to show up for that raid groups raids at predetermined times or you will be dropped from itput my ankles behind my head and suck me off why wont you because but this level of horse shit organising should not be necessary to begin with in forever
>>584303938>turn brightness down and contrast up>"durrr why I can't see anything?"
I sent blizzard the suggestion that druid bear would carry the torch plugged in it's asshole but they went with reddit's suggestion instead and they carry them with their mouths instead, woke company
>>584304273Don't worry, you still get that.>>584304241I wish we could hold torches in town and rested areas but they probably disabled it because people holding torches in town probably nuked peoples 30 year old pcs.
>>584304380"Raid logging" specifically refers to logging in only to raid. It's not a synonym for "raiding"
>>584304382if you don't do that then the anti soul fog makes everything washed out and white all the time
>>584304246>berserker>blademaster>wardenWarrior>tinkerAny class with engineering as a profession>druidDruid.
>>584304380Might want to check out retail, there's this feature called "LFR" where you just click a button and it puts you in a raid.
do u guys want to make bets about what classes will get "big changes" between now and release?
>>584303681>pugging when every boss will have a chase dropEnjoy the ninja looting I guess.
>>584303832>>584303861>>584304220Thank you for the answers. Guess I'll do something basic, like mage.
>>584302294>See? Questing is faster if we compare a speedrunner to the second run of the day of SM.
>>584303039The point of wow is to get the dagger of faggot raping from the latest raid tier and use it to rape noobs who are in quest greens. Horizontards don't want this, but they're going to get it.
bros, i'll be honest, i'm new as fuck to wow. i want to play mage but i have no idea about builds. can icy veins be trusted? are they good builds? what would you guys recommend to level with? frost or arcane? any tips?
>>584304652ele shaman lol
>>584304736dog the game isn't even out yet
>>584304439>I wish we could hold torches in town and rested areas but they probably disabled it because people holding torches in town probably nuked peoples 30 year old pcs.Same reason why the disabled lamps and other such sources of light in the housing zone.At first they disabled the objects completely from being places and now you can place them but they don't emit any light.
>>584303729Casters will be in shortage as always.Especially on PVE ruleset.
>>584304736if icy veins has updated guides then they'd be good enoughfrost
>>584304736imagine being new to wow in 2026are you 18 years old?
>>584304652ele sham is the only one that badly needs an overhaul before launch
>get jumped by rogue>ebb and flow of rogue going through all his bullshit myriad cooldowns trying to kill me vs me trying to stabilize (if it were tbc or later expansion I would be already dead cause in each expansion more bullshit I-Win buttons are added to rogue)>rogue blows most of his cooldowns but I'm still alive>rogue decides to finish the fight (he has the option to safely disengage at almost any point during any fight, he just for whatever reason decided not to this time)>finally in a position where I can get a cast off and he doesn't have yet another bullshit cooldown to nullify it>the frostbolt+fireblast combo/aimed shot/mind blast unexpectedly crit as he's running towards me and he unceremoniously drops deadI think I'm starting to appreciate rogue world pvp cause wins feel earned.
I was raped by little Cunnymane
>>584304696If they're smart then every chase drop is going to be class specific, that way each class is going to want something and actually has a realistic chance to get it instead of everyone being there just for HoJ 2 and rolling against the majority of the raid on a 1% drop rate item.
>>584304736are you also too stupid to simply read the talents? its pretty obvious which make sense and which do not.
>>584304736>needing builds for levelingYou failed at the first step.
>>584305005Lucky.
>>584303681They got rid of the best way to pug, GDKP.
>>584304889Dude let the youngsters enjoy the game. Remember when you were new back in 2004, 05, 06? Remember how much fun we had?He's about to build new memories, craft friendships and go on new adventures.We all are.
>>584304736You're new to wow, don't min max the game before you even start. Pick a class that looks cool and a spec that seems cool. You can respec later and get dual spec, its not a big deal.
>>584303910He hasn't had a chance to join a poopsock guild then end up hating all the members in Forever yet, so the vid should get finished.
>>584305014You are missing the point.They want you to farm raids for months if not years.It will be rings/necks/backs/trinkets that will be usable by a wide range of classes.
>>584305014>>584305161it doesn't make sense though.you probably need a guild to support a raid group.you could do a few raids a week, sure. but if there are like, 10 raids with "chase items", there's no shot that you're going to have them all on farm every single week. it's just ridiculous.
Sally whitemane ran so argent confessor paletress could crawl
sorry, guys. i never played wow because we were always poor. my notebook was very bad back then and my single mom had to work a lot for getting by. i still was allowed to be a bit childish here and there and ask for stuff, but i never dared to ask for 13€ every month for an online game. by the time the 20th of the month came around we already had no money and she had to ask neighbours for some help. we had a really nice old couple that were very supportive. these days things look good and i can afford to play wow. so i really had no idea how to play mage so i asked. that i got kinda insanely bullied for that didn't feel good, but i guess i should apologize. sorry for asking something dumb. i'll just pick mage and go frost :)
>>584304246>classbloat is le good
>>584305319She's a pale imitation.
>>584304606wants the game to stay as shitty as possible, there's two separate generals, well kinda since you shit up both, just for youstop stalking this place
Any good NA PVP Horde guilds? I usually play at night (after 10pm). Resto Shammy in beta, will be doing Resto Druid @ launch.
Considering blizz added handheld torches as illuminators whater the odds they make pitch black caves/raid encounters?It’d be really fucking cool
welcome all the retoilet and private server troon stalkersit's very important for them to be here and ritual post literal trash
>>584305504yes join my guild. just /who "actual pedofile"we raid weeknights EST
>>584305480Please put in a trip, we don’t want to see your schizo babble anymore.
>>584305504>10pmEST? PST? it makes a differenceif pst, theres plenty of raiding guildsEST? youre fucked
>>584305581They did that in a Legion dungeon and it sucked.
>>584304652100 paragraphs on warrior rage generation buffs.Ice lance gets nerfed, mages get buffed in other ways making them even stronger than before.Ret paladin buffed. >>584304926>>584304753Lmao, lol. The devs don't even know the class exists.
wow just doesn't feel the same since the trannies and niggers came around
>>584304736pick a class which seems fun to youunless its a warlock
>>584305581They did this in SoD with Karazhan Crypts.
>>584305319>got to show off thighs while alive>got to show off tummy in undeathShe's just perfect
>>584305581They should do the one reasonable thing and ditch the retarded "real" day-night cycle and just make it faster.If you're a wagie, the chance is you only get to play during evenings and nights, which sucks.
>>584305708ikr, they should blow their fucking brains out
>>584305621weird way to announce yourself
new>>584283716>>584283716>>584283716
>>584305635EST, so yeah. Fulltime job, wife, kid. Maybe I'll hunt some Australians to play with.
>>584305713shadoweave gloves typed this but as a mage I also want fewer warlocks aroundwe can all agree, don't play warlock
Blizz fucked up the game by making every class and spec decent at minimum. In classic it’s easy, wanna hit like a truck or tank? Warrior wanna farm honor/xp/gold? Mage, wanna be a gankass pos? Rogue, wanna oneshot people every once in a while? Shammy, wanna dominate a niche? DruidNow it’s impossible to pick a main cuz everything is good and interesting. Used to be you knew a guy just by his class
>>584305581>your priest gets ass-raped in the dark because some huntard couldn't place his torch correctlyWhile funny the first couple of times, I'm sure it would get old
>>584289230>play style is basically the same as a warlock for pvp, dot, and kite/tank the hitsThey couldn't be any different.
>>584303039Ways to increase your character progression in a meaningful way that isn't exactly connected to your power level. Transmog is an example of horizontal progression>gives you something to do>visually progresses your characterIn Runescape skilling is horizontal progression. Getting items from early game areas that have uses in late game areas is also horizontal progression. Professions are horizontal progression.The problem with WoW is all of it's horizontal progression is extremely fast. You can 1-300 all your professions in a few hours with enough gold outside of gathering/fishing. From the recent interview the Devs are deciding that "horizontal progression" in Forever is "horizontally expanding azeroth" which is worrisome. I know true horizontal progression is hard to do in WoW, you would need to fundamentally change the game on a base level to do so and the game is "too active" to have something like Runescape skilling. Runescape skilling can take so long because it's a second monitor game that essentially plays itself with minimal input from you. WoW doesn't play itself in the same way. You can't click on the map and have your character path to the spot you clicked on and everything in the game requires constant player input except when you go to smelt or craft 100 items or whatever. But if we don't have any form of long grind in Forever, it will just become a raidlog/play alts kind of game.
>>584305161>They want you to farm raids for months if not years.In classic people still did MC for bindings runs because the majority of people there were forced too, this is going to be the same thing but each boss will have something like a bindings to grind for if they did it right.If theres something retarded and over powered like HoJ 2 that basically anyone can use then they're just going to force everyone to the raid again and just bee line to it. People who aren't going to get gear like healers or the people who have it reserved aren't going to have fun doing the same raid for the millionth time knowing they're getting jack shit. Keeping it locked to class means you're forced to give it to other classes and not keep it yourself. Hopefully it also means we won't be able to skip bosses so classes don't get fucked if the boss they need isn't required for the new HoJ 2 the MT needs. If HoJ 2 has a rogue and druid and paladin version then they can actually get it if it drops instead of everything being funneled into main tank warrior. It would especially be bad if it wasnt class specific for pugs because you would literally never get that shit.
>>584305780>>584156789>>584156789>>584156789This thread is older.
>>584305982that thread is older than this thread. let it die.
>>584306018Follow the rules instead of behaving like a minority.
>>584303246I really dont understand the whole whinging about "omg i have to run 9 raids a week to power up my character!?!?" Sounds fucking awesome to me. Log in, pug a raid for an hour, maybe pug a second raid for another hour, then go pvp for a bit or farm gold or play an alt. Next day login and have 1-2 other raids I can still do. Being able to raid everyday sounds really fun and the whiners are just shit eaters who dont actually want to play the game. They want to just show up to 1 raid a week and grab purps and disappear.
>>584306087>pug>for chase items>pug for ultra rare items>group with random players>for items with exceedingly low drop rates>players not in your guild
>>584306087hardcore is going to be chaos
>>584306420They're going to balance the game around hardcore, I expect them to even remove stuff that just will kill you like the sacrifice alter in DM. I'd be fine with it as long as they get rid of petri.
>>584306502>more managable but no petrithat would be great
>>584303973item level truly has messed with wow dev mindsMaybe its time to try to create and recreate Ragnarok Online for the new generationTrue horizontal progression where every item has a purpose even low level ones and are utilizeable in a unique gameplay. Shit items even have a place since they are the easiest to get.Better items are behind a long grind or planning
