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why did they omit Goku's line about super saiyan 3 being his final form?
Cymbal is weaker than Tao Pai PaiTambourine is weaker than 22nd WMAT Krillin
>>585046853Gotta keep people talking about Daima even if it has zero relation. And more people talking about Daima = more merch sales (as if DB fucking needs the help).
>>585046853maybe it was cut randomly in the editing process
>>585046603Goku's wife is so cute
>>585046853>why did they omit Goku's line about super saiyan 3 being his final form?It was only in the manga.
>>585047910It's odd to cut that line though, since it's from the BoG movie, and keeping it wouldn't mess with the pacing.
You think this is the last time they're going to do the Battle of Gods arc, or is it still ripe for future remakes?
>>585049656Last time outside of games, unless the manga also gets a remake for some reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBTFeEPNZfswell the budokai 4 mod isn't dead anymore, just very slowly getting updated
>>585048330That's not me though?
>>585051027>AI Coding becomes a thing>This guy comes back out of "nowhere" and takes over the projectlmao
>>585051027Cool
I have never watched Death Battle but is there an equivalent where they actually do the fun version of a fight like the Saitama stuff but Saitama is actually hyped to be getting overpowered in a fight for once and Goku is playing the mentor?
>>585048476>and keeping it wouldn't mess with the pacing.The episode is super rushed at the end and it's clear Ep3 will be cutting most of Bulma's birthday, so it probably was just cut for time.I doubt they'd be trying to canonize Daima, especially since it'll never be relevant anyways.
>>585055201>to canonizeDaima has always been canon.
>>585055290Not to Super, which it explicitly contradicts.
>>585055331It doesn't. It literally mention U7 and has the DBS Kaioshins.
>>585055514>It doesn't.Do I even need to post it? I guess I do, here you go.
>>585055795That's ultimately a pretty minor contradiction, isn't it? it's not like kibitoshin matters to the plot of super until he himself is defused later on. Super and Daima don't perfectly mesh together, but the things you'd need to change are ultimately so minor that they fit together mostly fine, it's not like daima's lore or worldbuilding HARD contradicts super in the way that it hard contradicts the worldbuilding of heroes. heroes is fundamentally incompatible with daima in a way super isn't
which DB girl has gotten the most spunk out of you over the years?
>>585055795>Do I have to be autistic about a detail againIt won't really do anything, no.>>585055985Super itself has like 3 version of how Kibitoshin unfused.
>>585056438Love So-y-chan
>>585056438Probably Bulma by sheer volume honestly
>>585055985>That's ultimately a pretty minor contradiction, isn't it?Pretty fucking blatant though, considering the fused form is still in every version of DBS.>>585056523>a detailIt's a pretty noticeable "detail". What's gonna be the cope when literally nothing from Daima is referenced in any of the DBS anime? "Oh it's canon, it just uhhh, doesn't matter!"It cannot be canon because it contradicts canonical materials that continue without acknowledging it. That's canon. I don't get why either of you are so insistent on this one DB thing being canon when it ultimately is Heroes tier shit. Just an irrelevant side adventure that will never be brought up in any of the main materials.
>>585056740>It's a pretty noticeable "detail".Not really, you're just autistically fixated on it.>I don't get why everyone disagree with my autistic fixationBecause you're wrong>Heroes tier shit>Made by ToriyamaLol. Lmao.
>>585056967>Not really, you're just autistically fixated on it.Character(s) are in completely different states between shows.This was also, literally, one of the biggest things people noticed in Daima's early previews.>>Heroes tier shit>>Made by ToriyamaYeah, he also made fucking Neko Majin.
>>585057123>But my autism detail is different!And it doesn't matter>Appeal to an imaginary audience that totally agree with himCringe>Yeah, he also made another manga that isn't just a random arcade carde gameCool so you were wrong.
>>585056716green dress for me
>>585058001>And it doesn't matterBy this logic then, GT is canon. Just because it doesn't bring anything up from DBS or Daima, doesn't mean it contradicts them. It's even a part of Toei's official timelines.Same with Heroes, especially the Heroes anime which continues off from the DBS anime's endpoint.>Cool so you were wrong.A manga that explicitly features Dragon Ball characters and sets itself following the conclusion of DBZ.
>>585058172>By this logic *random stuff that have nothing to do with that*God, you're desperate.>*More irrelevant stuff that change nothing to the point*Good so we're clear that you were wrong.
>>585058621>failed to respond to any real pointsIt's clear you're just an idiot. Not worth talking to.
>>585056438Kamin.
>>585058786>*random tears and announcing he's running away in shame*So Daima is obviously canon.
>>585058621>>>/a/beerus
>>585059321>Had to reply twice
>>585046853Napkinbros....
>>585056438Videl but 21 since she came out has just owned my balls
>>585056438i want to say videl
>>585056438Probably Bulma
>>585067276why piccolo
>>585067365idk
>>585067365Daily dose
>>585056438it's pretty gay of you to be asking other men about their sperm out of nowhere
>>585069997I said it was about girls so it evens out
Bump
>>585067365vegeta. revenge. anal.
>>585051027>just like every other unmodded character, she's [Great Saiyaman II] still uggy and shouldn't be usedSounds like dogshit.Thanks.
>>585051027>>585080332>Goku nerfs and FUCKING GOHAN buffsYeah alright, it's dogshit.Fuck you Toshi you Gohan-glazing piece of shit.
>>585080708>Goku nerfsUnforgivable.
>>585064791>>585064610Cute
>>585090032why oil
>>585055514>It literally mention U7 and has the DBS KaioshinsAnd GT has King Kai in it and the DBZ Kaioshins, your point?
>>585055514Okay and? Disney Starwars has a character called Thrawn, managing an Imperial remnant, despite explicitly decanonizing Lucasfilm Starwars.And the MCU has references to a universe 616 just like the comics
>>585052749he was always the """""""director""""""""" of the project, just not the guy making the tools.Said guy made some apparently incomprehensible code and then left, so yeah it's either this or nothing
>Uma concert cancelledKEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>585091798so i can fry em brown
Pan
>>585097696meant for >>585056438
>>585097696based
>>585056438None, Dragon Ball girls do nothing for me.
>>585050427>unless the manga also gets a remake for some reasonDeservingly should, by another artist, and i don't want you fags complaining when it does happen.
Instead of just evil purple aura Freeza, Cell, Buu, etc I hope we get what if scenarios in XV3 instead
>>585105387that gag was only funny once when Gohan and Goku nonchalantly show up at home in SSJ without having explained to Chichi what the form is. any instance of it afterwards doesn't make sense, they should've told her what it is at some point, having her still spaz about it just makes her look like a mental patient.
>>585107285it's not that deep
>>585105387Will never happen.
https://youtu.be/tJ2rFf01ADoXeno Goku vs Sora would have been so much cooler than Goku vs Saitama
>>585100535Never goon, amirite
https://x.com/alejandr0bujan/status/2112433412384710857Not sure if slop, but Supersonic Warriors 2 is getting a romhack
>>585055201Rushing Bulma's party is so stupid. It's the main attraction. Granted, the DBS version of it sucks and Beerus is too evil in the anime to properly enjoy himself, but still.>>585056668To each their own. Onions-chan traces sloppa, so all their art ends up being soulless and stale pin-ups.
>>585111695*Onions-chanI have no idea where the hell "onions" came from. I'm not even phoneposting.
>>585111695>>585111839>How to out yourself as a retarded newfag 101
>>585046603Note is pure!
>>585112325I miss this crew
>>585113047I miss Kamin.
>>585111695>>585111839
So in Goku Densetsu for the DS there's an area where your current character has to tell Kaio a joke. In the spanish version Vegeta's joke goes like this>Vegeta: Mum, they call me faggy at school. "And do you do about it?" I hit them with my purse.>Kaio: Well done, Vegeta! A pretty "ELITE" tier joke! This is for you, take it.
Are we sure Cell doesn't have human cells in him? Who's made him self-destruct King Cold?
>>585110934>A pure fighting version of Supersonic Warriors 2that's a little lame, i liked the what-ifs
You know, something I've never noticed is that super saiyan 2 makes even Goku's arms get pronounced veins. Only 2, though. Three doesn't do this. Quite odd.
>>585122415>"I'm going to end this as soon as possible">Doesn't use SSJ3Is he stupid?
>>585107285>>585108372Why does this trigger you so badly?
>>585125090He does say he didn't want to waste it because of the time limit but what exactly he was saving it for was anyone's guess
It is ILLEGAL to want SEX with the FILTHY MONKEYS, understood? Simian simps will be rounded up and dealt with!
>>585112130Tbf, the wordfilter happened like six years ago or something, and if you're not an underage retard/weren't an underage retard back then, it'd be pretty easy to forget or not know that it's filtered.
>>585128156Frieza...
>>585093047>Okay and?And it proves you're wrong
>>585108880>SoraLiterally a Piccolo Daimao victim.>>585110934Neat>>585112325Great art.>>585115403Realku, our hero!
>>585116807Remind of the King of the Hills 'it's my purse' thing.
>>585126832Tit!
>>585130905>The universe bumber being the same proves "me" wrong, because the universe number being the same means they are the same canonI guess the MCU is the comics now, even though Nick Fury is a diffrent race
>>585131041>Literally a Piccolo Daimao victim.99% of fictional characters
>>585056438Cymbal
>>585125771knowing goku he was probably expecting (and hoping for) buu to get released anyway
>>585125771>>585134495Also energy drains are based on your current output, we know this explicitly from the Cell Saga.Imagine Vegeta touching Goku once and releasing Buu, then Goku disappears while Vegeta is pile of broken bones on the floor.Not very useful.
>>585134923Given the difference of power between vegeta and buu, ss3 goku would have nodiffed Vegeta. Vegeta takes ONE attack from fat buu and instantaneously figures he's done for
>>585133679>Muh capeshitDon't care, sorry you were wrong.
>>585133991Well yeah but that's the point, why are you putting him against XENO GOKU when he loses to Piccolo Daimao?
>>585135853There are more than two people here
>>585133991Make it 95%, the other 5% wouldn't get past Raditz
>>585133991I think the vast majority of fictional characters just in general lose to a guy with a gun just by sheer volume of most fiction being rather low power
>>585137617I guess but I don’t think 99% of fiction scales that low, even. But most Western action properties don’t have characters who could scratch 22nd WMAT Tien. Most Eastern action media can't reach that level, there are less than 10 Naruto characters that might be able to kill that saga's version of Tien or Goku.
>>585138093That's honestly probably a good thing, I think coreography starts to break down at sufficiently high power levels and moonbusting is egregiously high for most purposes. Even Dragonball keeps its destruction pretty low scale more often than not. With blowing up cities being more common than blowing up planets (until beerus, at least)
>>585137467>Make it 95%, the other 5% wouldn't get past RaditzDunno, man, I don't think that 5% of fictional characters can beat a dude who make a moon buster shit his pants. That's a pretty restrained demographic.Maybe 5% of fighting stories characters I guess.
>>585138332>moonbusting is egregiously high for most purposes.That's why you do what make the most sense for a fight: Focus down all that power on your enemy so 99% of it isn't wasted hitting air.That way you get the best of both worlds like DB mostly does.That 'problem' was solved 200 years ago when old martial art stories were like 'dude can blow up a mountain but control it so well, he can punch a leaf without harming it while killing the dude behind it'.
>>585138624then that's mostly just fairly low power martial arts but they blow up a planet sometimes for cool points. I just prefer the slower stuff, honestly.
>>585138817>then that's mostly just fairly low power martial arts but they blow up a planet sometimes for cool pointsWell yeah, cool points or big cosmic plots or to deal with giant monsters. Again, best of both worlds.>I just prefer the slower stuff, honestly.Slower stuff just reach the same issue but slower tho.
>>585139030>big cosmic plots or to deal with giant monstersYeah I don't really want that out of my martial arts stuff most of the time, I generally prefer jackie chan movie type stuff. I don't dislike dragonball or anything, but it's not my preference for how I like martial arts stuff to go
Do y'all read the red light Broly was bathed in as he and his father escape planet Vegeta as an intentional parallel with Gohan striking his uncle or is that an overgeneralizationI get the sense that it's largely still controversial whether you take Z Paragus' view of himself as a desperate man out of his depth or Broly and his own servant's view of him as a manipulative cowardly father in name only
>>585140223I've personally never been one to read into the Z movies much at all, Broly especially given how goofy and convoluted Paragus' plan is. You definently can and I can't stop you, but they're defo really silly movies.
>>585139339>Yeah I don't really want that out of my martial arts stuff most of the timeMartial arts stuff always had that, especially giant monsters.
>>585139339>I generally prefer jackie chan movie type stuff.That's a different genre entirely tho. Kung Fu Flicks / Hong Kong Era movies aren't really the same as the wider Martial Art genre.
>>585141078I think that goofiness works to the latter interpretation, as it would mean that Paragus resents the Vegeta royal family for treating Broly in a way that he now agrees the child deserved, making him an arrogant and vindictive man regardless of your other opinions
>>585141189Yeah and I never said it didn't, it's just not my preferred take on the genre. This isn't OLD BAD NEW GOOD I just prefer some over the other
>>585141552Nah, I was just confused by what you meant by 'Martial Art' stuff. I thought you meant like Ranma 1/2 or Baki but you meant more Drunken Master.
Z Broly's a naturally silly concept(a Bizarro Super Saiyan whose own power is at risk of physically destroying his body the same way our protagonists fear it may take over their minds) but to be honest that's half the reason I'm so endeared to the concept—an poignant exaggeration of Gohan's character arc at the point in the timeline it takes place
>>585141917I like the idea of Broly, I just don't care much for the actual execution of him. Nothing really happens for half of the movie because the narrative essentially dead stops the second Broly goes Legendary because no one can harm him
>>585142028I don't disagree at all—he's a fundamentally philosophical concept(the pure heart of the Legendary Super Saiyan rotted down to cruelty by the Saiyan society he inherited) forced into the structure of a battleHe was never a story that a Dragon Ball MOVIE was going to be able to tell effectively
>>585142293>the pure heart of the Legendary Super Saiyan rotted down to cruelty by the Saiyan society he inheritedI feel like the pure heart awakened by rage kind of died with Vegeta. Like sure they try to lampshade it with "yeah bro I was pure LOATHING bro" but that's lampshading a retcon
>>585142293Also, I don't really think there's enough evidence to present the idea that broly was turned into a schizo by saiyan society and paragus, it kind of just presents it like he was always a schizo because legendary does that. Gotta say though, Vegeta just kind of shutting down instantly from so much as SEEING broly was really funny
>67 meme already dead and forgottenwas it worth putting it in Sparking Zero TWICE, f*ni?
>>585135853the people making them made Trunks lose to some shitty rat, they'll overwank that key fuckboy too, but i rather Trunks fight Sora to dehumilition himself.
>>585146130>the people making them made Trunks lose to some shitty ratVegeta won against the black rat though and Trunks should've been stronger than that Vegeta, unless Silver is actually stronger than Shadow
>>585138332I don't think it really matters what the hypothetical maximum potential destructive force of a character is. Especially in media outside of Dragon Ball, where all characters either can or can't survive in space.
>>585146130>the people making them made Trunks lose to some shitty rat,Who and who?
>>585147905Death Battle, he lost against Silver from Sonic
>>585147905Deathbattle's Trunks versus Silver death battle, Sonic scaling is explained by one handy guide: If Sonic does something, everyone immediately scales to sonic, and Sonic is popular so he gets highballed.
>>585148314>>585148479I have no idea why you guys even give shit that dumb any attention.
>>585149868Well you see anon, at the end of the day all powerscaling is is arguing narrative interpretations, and that's basically all I do in here anyway. I'm just less autistic about it than most scalers because I understand you cant come up with an objective opinion about how you interpret a narrative, and as such all powerscaling is subject to popularity because people will inherently buy interpretations about characters they like that make them seem stronger.
>>585150080Sure for arguing but watching a youtube video where an E-Celeb talk at you about it just sounds dumb.
>>585149868We just got someone bring Goku vs Saitama last thread
>>585145464I won't pretend that my interpretation of the scene of Paragus placing the collar on his son as the ultimate betrayal that destroyed his faith in other living beings is contested, but if it is "that simple" it makes the detail of his "natural" fighting spirit being low relative to his power presented in his infancy completely useless, which seems like a waste when he is depicted as such in direct contrast to the less naturally talented but far more tenacious Kakarot, I'm not denying that>legendary does thatit's more that it only provides the raw rage and overflowing power and his upbringing shaped the more sadistic elements—something that, in a more productive environment might have been directed towards the oppression that he had faced as the legend foretold, but sadly could not have been
>>585152608>it makes the detail of his "natural" fighting spirit being low relative to his power presented in his infancy completely useless,how much fighting spirit do you even expect out of a baby
>>585152819I don't think we know enough about the Saiyans at large to say what THEY expect, but at the bare minimum we're left to interpret what that detail(as pointed out by the Saiyans themselves) could possibly mean with respect to the men they would become
>>585151923I thought that VS shit was more /dbs/'s thing? Why bring it up here?
>>585152608I think Broly being passive is just a narrative reason to explain why we're not instantly going into the fight. Usually the reason the reason the main villain of a movie isn't doing something themselves is because they have minions to do it for them, but the Broly movie lacks minions so they just had Broly be passive for the first half until he switches into movie villain mode.
>>585126832source?
>>585153283Supposedly someone mistook this place with /dbs/
>>585154868I think what they were saying was people outside of this thread mistaking us for /dbs/ I think people just wanted to talk about it because it's dragonball related and we're not fully brainrotted
The power scaling is very simple: monkeys are weaklings compared to the superior saurian form. Filthy simian simpletons should be put in their place.
>>585158072shut up (insert name of the time god of destruction)
>>585158156You will see that I'm right.
Broly being geneticly evil is direct contradicted by Goku.
>>585161547Goku isn't the legendary super schizo
>>585161609Is LSSJ actually a thing in the minds of the writers or is he just green
>>585161746he's green for an amazing reason
>>585161746In DBS Broly? He's just green.In the Z movies, they directly call his green form Legendary Super Saiyan.
>>585162021Vegeta is even so paralyzed in an instinctual hind brain type of way that he cant even find it in himself to fight Broly for the first bit. LSSJ is very much so a real thing in the Z movies. Super Broly's just kind of a mutant.
>>585162021>>585162216No Super Broly is in a special form because he starts yellow before becoming Green
>>585162584No one's saying he doesn't become green, just that he just is green and there's no explanation to it. It's just fanservice. As opposed to Z broly where it's a whole thing. Only Z broly is allowed to be green for an amazing reason
>>585162584Nah, it's just a visual thing, the dudes who made the movie said it's not even in the script but they added it visually cause Broly being green is too iconic, that is just a weird looking SSJ.It's even called Full Power SSJ.
I feel like if the manga starts back up broly is gonna feel like a boss character who became playable
>>585153743Again, certainly possible but I think that it'd be an inferior version of the story: even as I interpret it I concede it's a major example of Broly the Idea and Broly the Boss conflicting with each other instead of cooperating(take Frieza for a MASSIVE counterexample)
>>585163675I mean I personally just kind of accept that Broly is not a very good movie. Has some cool coreography though, and Broly's far from the worst movie villian (Bojack)
>>585163810I don't think that a version of Broly I'd like is possible within the structure DBZ allows—it's a very "Justice League" set-up if that makes sense, and I understand that the DBS version attempts to bring in some of those elements but at the expense of Broly's agency which I'm not willing to concede
>>585163503That's always how 'He's getting stronger as he fights!' types end up because either they just scale to whatever is happening instantly and now everything is always the same or they plateau and basically end up in the same boat as everyone else.Just look at Goku. He also had that gimmick. Multiple times.
>>585166930Super broly doesn't even have that as like an inbuilt power, though. He was just learning how to fight as the fight went on. his power explicitly plateau'd between forms. What Broly's got going for him is just being real strong.
>>585162760>Full Power SSJThis term makes it sound like it's Broly's equivalent to the Perfected SSJ Goku and Gohan had during the Cell Games. Can he even theoretically go beyond that, or it is his version of Blue?
>>585168136we have as much lore on it as much as we have for beast, that being zero. Your guess is as good as mine.
You know, why is it that Beast feels weirder than other forms? It's not like super saiyan 2 or 3 have an exact explanation as to what they are.
>>585168136I imagine it's literally just SSJ but with fancy green and vaguely stronger since it's not even an 'actual form', it's just an excuse to make Broly green.>>585168281At least for Beast, it's part of the plot and Toriyama said something about Gohan's inner beast. Here, what we have is 'it's to make Broly have his iconic green'.
>>585168538Because it's not a Saiyan thing, a human thing, a god thing, an angel thing, and probably not even a hybrid Saiyan-Human thing. It's purely a Gohan thing, and that feels weird. Especially after his Ultimate/Mystic Form (Potential Unleashed) was perfect as his final state, forgoing the need for Super Saiyan or any drastic transformation.
>>585168538A Super Saiyan beyond Super Saiyan and a Super Saiyan beyond even that. It's very explicit, what they are. I don't know what Beast is.
>>585168968To add on, XV2 made it something EVERY race can do, so it just confuses things more.
>>585168538Because Beast is a form we know nothing about, related or connected to nothing we know about, be it technique, martial art, race, status, magic, ritual or whatever and not part of any clear or official 'transformation path'.
>>585168968I don't think i'm too keen on the idea of ultimate being the final Gohan form because of how he got it in buu saga, it just kind of got given to him and he immediately ate shit after a small fight. I'd be fine with beast if it had some more unique pizazz and wasn't just reheated cell saga nachos. As i've brought up in a prior thread, I just don't think Dragonball has a story has anything about Gohan's character that can really hook into him as a martial artist, he's just "the guy who has big potential" and that's it. Gohan has always felt like a dogshit martial artist who never does anything interesting and just uses whatever shit is given to him. Even Trunks made something new with the sword of hope, as weird as that was.
>>585169329Beast is just as bad as Ultimate. Completely unearned powerups to put Gohan back up in the cast, while not addressing the core issues.
>>585169452Yeah, Beast could have been an attempt to actually have Gohan DO something of his own for once, actually fucking MAKE something, show he's a martial artist who can do NEW STUFF and he just does Cell saga again.
>>585169452I'd argue Beast is worse because of how much real life time pass between Gohan getting that from Ultimate, compared to Gohan getting Ultimate after SSJ2.
>>585169452I think the issue is that Gohan at his core is not a martial artist. I feel like he'd train to keep pace but never to truly further himself or push his limits to make new techniques and forms. Gohan should have been retired as a character ages ago but his fanbase will never let him go, another ten trillion pan deaths
>>585169534Goku came back to life, it's over. Gettings shown Gohan now is like when the new Starwars show me legacy characters, stop making a corpse dance for me.>>585169669It's worse because they have shown us this exact trick already, and they expect me to be fooled, and some people were I guess, which might be worse than the attempt.
>>585169145It's particularly weird they did that because Toriyama talked in interviews not long after SH came out that Beast is Gohan's inner potential, so XV2 making it be a thing everyone can do is odd.
>>585171140it's not like you cant just headcanon that your dude has Gohan potential. A rare gohan, if you will
>>585171363Perhaps I can be... the next Gohan...
>>585170073Gohan was totally recoverable as the main character, until he shoots the Buu egg in SSJ1, while saying he can't go SSJ2, then every panel that passes damages him furthers.Vegeta should have taken out Buu, or something. Then Gohan needed to have his own 21st WMAT to teach him to value martial arts. It's a weird thing that the Cell saga and Buu saga start to do, is treat being a part of the Dragon Team as the same as being a martial artists.Goku's first training in martial arts is by his loving Grandfather, and his formal training is by master he chose, and the first thing he did with this new power is to enter a tournament for fun.Gohan's first training in martial arts is after his father died in front of him and he was kidnapped, and the first thing he had to do with this new found power is to near helplessly watch his mentor and comrades die, and it wasn't even a power that was his that saved the day.
>>585171753I don't really care for Gohan as a main character, he's just not that interesting as one. I was more talking about having gohan as a character in this show at all.
>>585171363>>585171140Raditz implies that Gohan's rage boost slop is something not unique to Gohan. Vegeta and Nappa imply it's his half breed nature, but Trucks and Goten confirm this to be a mislead.
>>585158156what would a /dbs/ version of /dbg/ be like?
>>585172043not a reply to that anon.
>>585171918Goten and Trunks really do prove frieza right, in barely a generation they're shitting out 5 year olds stronger than 18
>>585172231No because Frieza wasn't scared of an indivdual Sayian surpassing him, just that Sayians could make it annoying to perform his hobby of collecting planets, because Frieza can't be on every planet at once, and he only has one guy directly taking commands from him who can defeat Great Ape Nappa, not to mention that he only has eight guys in his (inter)galactic empire that can beat Great Ape Raditz.
>>585172785I mean I wasn't talking about Goten and Trunks as individuals surpassing them, i'm talking about how Goten and Trunks are just born that strong and it doesn't seem to be a mutation thing because Pan is also just super fucking strong, saiyans are scary.
>>585171907>he's just not that interesting as oneThe Gohan that can't tie his shoes without Goku's help is shit as an MC, but it's not like this was the only option in material reality, and it's kind of a writers job to pay off in a satisfying way the set-ups that take up a third of Dragon Balls chapters.
>>585173112>The Gohan that can't tie his shoes without Goku's helpRude, that isn't true16, Vegeta, and old kai also had to tie his shoes for him too
https://x.com/TooRealUnreal/status/2112684568717217925Someone is saying they didn't contact Mike Kaplan for Moro (yet)How do you feel about it? Even if you don't listen to the dub, it sucks he's not getting a strong role for character getting an animated debut.
>>585172994>i'm talking about how Goten and Trunks are just born that strongNo they train. Explicitly Vegeta is training Trunks to surpass Gohan, and Trunks is passing that all to Goten. I assume they are no stronger than Goku or Vegeta were as babies.
>>585173409The voice/seiyuu i headcanon with Moro are fucking dead>Christopher Lee (US, Xehanort, Ansem the Wise)>Chikao Ōtsuka (JP, Dr. Weil, Dr. Eggman)They'll probably find him another good seiyuu for him but Crunchyjew will fumble and give him a shitty dub voice i bet
>>585173608I don't think Trunks has trained with Vegeta before, because he explicitly doesn't know that trunks had super saiyan, and you think that would've come up if they trained before.
>>585173784training trunks for any significant length of time* I mean. They are training, but I assume that's supposed to be a recent thing.
>>585173409Eh. You know what will be very funny? The guy who played Goku in the Evolution movie to voice Moro.
>>585173784Pages 3&4, Chapter 423, Volume 36
>>585174046Wasn't the only person who gave a single fuck about dragonball on that production the guy who played piccolo
>>585174046That be horrifying but full circle kino in some wayBut what about the guy playing Fuller in that trash heap film?
>>585174090I know, I clarified that I assumed this was a recent thing, and probably isn't where most of his strength comes from. Like if he was training him since he was 4 like Gohan it feels weird that he wouldn't know about super saiyan.
>>585171140Anyone can have potential.
>>585174287People train in base. The idea of training in SSJ is presented as strange in the Cell Saga.>what about that once chapter pageI don't know how a chapter page gets considered a real event let alone, starts overriding major events in the story.Also Goku can't suppress himself in SSJ yet, so if he kicked Gohan, Gohan would just turn into blood.
>>585172043It'd just be the same as /dbs/ but sometimes someone says 'video games' no?
>>585174162I read somewhere that the actor who played Goku got into Dragon Ball after the movie. Dunno if that's true.
>>585174794We had Gohan and Goten train in super saiyan for the Budokai. Vegeta is also training in super saiyan.
>>585175002No more Buu saga discussion ever.
>>585175328You ain't the boss of me!
>>585175328why
>>585175002Yeah okay sorry. With the scene where it is revealed that Vegeta learned MSSJ1 off screen with-out comment, it does make no sense that Vegeta doesn't know Trunks can go SSJ. I don't know why he was in Base during chapter 423. I figured Toriyama would love to not color his hair in.
>>585174046Why would they get a dude bro to play a menacing villain when they could get the guy who already played Picco- oh, right, he's already Zamasu.
>>585176465I think he did a great job as Zamasu but I don't really think that voice'd be a good moro.
>>585175862>>585175002But if that's the case shouldn't Vegeta also not be shocked by Trunks strength if he was training him at all? I think the Buu Saga just doesn't make sense, especially if they are supposed to be born that strong because Trunks wasn't born nearly as strong as Trunks.
Had time to refinish the Buu Saga really quickly now that my time wasn't divided arguing here, and reading the manga.Boy was that worse than I remember, also I definitely don't believe that SSJ3 is a ten times or greater multiplier on SSJ2.
>>585177154ngl I wouldn't assume super saiyan is a 50 times multiplier if kaioken math didn't force it to be like that. Super Saiyan God sure as shit doesn't fell a kajillon times stronger than everything that came before it
>>585176551I don't care about english VAs but Spike voicing DB characters is funny to me.
I cracked and tried watching that death battle thing people mentioned.It was just two dudes doing random maths at you for most.Then the fight was just Saitama no selling everything Goku did and then getting one shotted by a fanfic move.Even ignoring powerscaling, it's a terrible way to do a fight.
They delayed Xenoverse 3
Do you think Dende will be OP in XV3?
>>585177526>SSJGThe Z movies are shit generally, but I'd argue that BoG does make SSJG feel way above SSJ3. Vegeta's rage boosted SSJ2 he isn't supposed to be able to do that makes it a little less special feeling, but SSJG still feels like it is in an entirely different Realm from even that.>>585177526>ngl I wouldn't assume super saiyan is a 50 times multiplier if kaioken math didn't force it to be like that.I wouldn't assume SSJ is 50 specifically, no. But characters treat Gohan and the humans like a joke after SSJ1 rolls out, and the Sayians treat base as being dead.Goku and Tien dodge a laser not aimed at them, and Tien knocks around Semi-perfect Cell. Oh and I can't forget Vegeta steps in front of Kid Buu in Base.Kid Buu is widely agreed to be fucking around. And I would just consider the other two errors before I go and undermine the Frieza fight and every other event after. Anyways SSJ definitely feels REALLY substantial over KKx10, even if it's not perfect when you examine every panel it vibes as being in a completely different realm. SSJ3 definitely feels stronger, but it never feels like a hard gap even when compared against SSJ1. SSJ3 definitely feels closer to it's official multiplier than to times ten, desu.
>fridges get a final form transformationtaking off your clothes shouldn't be a different transformation
>>585180058Wait, what? How does it even look?
>>585180197they just head swap you with final form freeza looks very funny
>>585180058>>585180197If I remember the previous trailer, you get to keep the gem colors and facial markings at least. But yeah, you get naked and turn white. Also, Full Power is the second stage of this form.
>>585179908>but SSJG still feels like it is in an entirely different Realm from even that.I'm not contesting that God doesn't feel like a big boost over three, but it doesn't feel like a "stronger than ss3 vegito" tier boost, you know? It feels like the gap between a ss1 and a 3, which is huge, but not like as big as god is supposed to be.
>>585180447>>585180647....That's just Pure Form but for Freeza race, what is this bullshit?
>>585179593Is that website that posted this trustworthyFeels like a rash decision to make in just a day.
The recent gameplay also shows that when you equip soul assists and soul changes, you can choose not just base characters, but also transformed characters too. Also, Base Toppo confirmed.
>>585179908Z Movies >>>>>>>>>>>>> Super rehash moviesYou had to rely on Frieza, Broly, Gogeta, Red Ribbon and Cell, you're nobody to talk. Only BoG was unique and only that. And it was a Z movie too :^)
>>585181331Aren't most Z movies just rehashes of Z plots with OCs, though.
>XV3 delayed to late 2027
>>585181326Forgot the pic
rarehans are evolving
>>585181790Cool>>585181806>>585180647Why does the game suddenly look so much worse?
>>585181731Because of feedback. Or so they say.
>>585182168>Japanese devs>listening to feedback
>>585181731Hirano said it's due to feedback, but if the latest gameplay showcase is any indication, they're definitely gonna need to beef up the online aspect. People who played the latest build said that the game was lagging quite a bit during co-op, which WILL suck now that crossplay has been confirmed. Now that they have a year of extra dev time, hopefully they can fix that.
>>585182145new engine so they probably had to redo everything from 0
I wish the XV2 Revamp team hadn't given up on the mod, XV3 is dogshit.
>>585182938Why did they change engine so late in development?>>585182168Hoodweebs ruin everything.
Do you guys think the delay means they'll do some model and expression polishing or even adding glinds/demons, or will it just be online/netcode shit and minimal UI changes?
>>585183161>Why did they change engine so late in development?He's talking about XV3's engine compared to XV1 and 2.
>>585183323>or will it just be online/netcode shit and minimal UI changes?That one + maybe something retarded like for Gekishin.
I'm thinking kino.https://youtu.be/5lp2piNqMsg
>>585183639That's actually cool.>>585183617Ah okay but I was asking why the game look worse than last time they showed it off.
>>585183639kek
With 4v4 PvP confirmed, how hectic do you think it's gonna be?
>>585180686>a "stronger than ss3 vegito" tier boostWell that's not a guy in anything other than Heroes so that helps. SSJG doesn't feel stronger than SSJ1 Vegito in any real way, but that's a very hard milestone to hit, as both are things that are untouchable to everything that came before, so unless you add fights with Vegito, you can't make SSJG feel stronger than him.Meanwhile SSJ3 kind of sometimes feels like it's in a different realm than SSJ2, but then Gotenks has the best fight for comparing the gap and there SSJ3 doesn't feel like a different realm of power to SSJ1, it's definitely substantially stronger, but it's also clearly in the same realm of power. I think the official multipliers are way more accurate, than any argument you can make for x10
lol
>>585183639R.I.P. crono's abuelo
>>585184807>no "im kino"
>>585184807This UI seems to indicate that the gameplay will be shit.
>>585184670Isn't the best direct comparison how goku and vegeta fight with kid buu. Kid Buu's stronger than Vegeta, but the difference between nappa and tien feels bigger than the difference between vegeta and kid buu
>>585184807German is a funny language
>>585181731Damn it, I was looking forward to it releasing earlier.
>>585185729Kid Buu is almost universally agreed to be fucking around, I might even argue that he is fucking around more than Innocent Buu did, so that's why I didn't bring it up.If we accept that Kid Buu is seriously attacking everybody but Satan and Base Vegeta, than yes that and the Gotenks fight force SSJ3 to be less than official third party sources. But I would argue that SSJ3 has wide birth of reasonable numbers.
The delay will save Xenoverse 3
They delayed because XV2 is getting a new DLC
Neither is Piccolo, Dende
>>585191109Actually if I were to associate fusion with any species, Dende, it would be Namekians which you are Dende, so you should know better.
>>585191109Piccolo actually is one, he can't create DBs. Kami fusing into him seemingly didn't change his clan.
>>585191303It's more like some kind of absorption.
>>585191109Is Kami technically Piccolo Jr.'s grandfather?
>>585191584No Kami would be Piccolo Jrs Uncle, if we want to apply typical family relations to magical asexual reproduction.
>>585191364them fusing I think made him both a warrior and a mystic. he probably does have the capacity to make dragon balls now if he wanted to.
>>585191810Nah, I doubt it, Piccolo is only ever treated as a warrior namekian.Otherwise they'd have just made him reactivate the balls instead of getting Dende.
>>585191364I don't know why there would only be two clans of Namekians, but even if there are, Piccolo is never stated to be unable to make Dragonballs. Though now that I think about it, it does make more sense for Jr. to be warrior Namek if it can be chosen, but reincarnation can change species entirely let alone Namekian clan.>>585191542They call it Fusion.
Classic Dragon Ball>Dragon Ball Kanzenban v01-34, Neko Majin v01 (Raw Scans) (Japanese) - 34 volumeshttps://nyaa.si/view/1933107>Dragon Ball English Kanzenban Project (Currently Volume 14 of 34)https://bsky.app/profile/tuxedotime.bsky.social>Dragon Ball release chronologyhttps://www.kanzenshuu.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_release_chronologyDragon Ball DVDs - Color Corrected Dragon Box>Dragon Ballhttps://nyaa.si/view/2122084>Dragon Ball Zhttps://nyaa.si/view/2057751>Dragon Ball Z Movieshttps://nyaa.si/view/2059537>Dragon Ball GThttps://nyaa.si/view/1838093One more bonus>Dragon Ball - Small Batch [16mm HD Scans] (around $5,000 in scanning costs for these DB episodes)https://nyaa.si/view/2080128>Dragon Ball Kai (New dub and Kenji Yamamoto OST)https://nyaa.si/view/2006263>Dragon Ball Z Movies (Fullscreen 4:3)https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VXsHCZfGVRtzHj7d5LhQ9MPHD0gYMXOehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1W-1TnlqR9muUEkzbaU40MJi1n_1SMvc0>Dragon Ball Music Libraryhttps://nyaa.si/view/1263388Dragon Ball Z 4K scan>Dragon Ball Z Movie 7 Super Android 13 - Reel 1 (35mm 4K Scan)https://nyaa.si/view/1869569>Dragon Ball Z (DBZ) - Movie 9 Bojack - Reel 3 - 4K Scanhttps://nyaa.si/view/1761204Coming Soon>Dragon Ball Z Fusion Reborn 4K Scanhttps://x.com/nappasanNotes>Tankōbon or Kanzenban?Kanzenban is bigger than the Tankobon and have better quality paper.>DBZ or DBZ Kai?Dragon Ball Kai takes the actual footage from the Dragon Ball Z TV series (which ran in Japan from 1989 to 1996), remasters it in high definition, and cuts out an average of half the material (generally “filler”). A new musical score has been provided by Kenji Yamamoto, and a new English dub.>Are DBZ Movies originally Full Screen or Widescreen?Toei originally animated the movies in a 4:3 aspect ratio. (Just like DB, Dbz, and GT) Then they were cropped to a 16:9 aspect ratio in order to fit the screens on movie theaters
>>585192153It's not an intrinsic trait of Dragon Clan Namekians to be able to make Dragonballs, Kami had to learn and Dende's ability to do so is treated as an abnormality in terms of natural talent.
>>585181506>Aren't most Z movies just rehashes of Z plots with OCs, though.Only some.>OriginalDead ZoneWorld's StrongestBrolyBojackBroly Second ComingBio-Broly Fusion RebornWrath of the Dragon >RehashTree of Might (Vegeta)Lord Slug (Piccolo Daimao)Cooler's Revenge (Freeza)Android 13
>>585192401Piccolo knows what Kami did.
New art released under the Dragon Ball Z branding.
>>585192458>Dead ZonePiccolo Sr Saga>BojackCell Saga>Fusion RebornBuu sagaAlso you are missing the other Cooler movie.
>>585193375>Piccolo Sr SagaHow did I do this, how is it even possibleRaditz I MEANT RADITZ
>>585192537>>585192401More saliently there are at least two Namekians who know how to make Dragonballs on either Namek, and there is never two sets of Dragonballs. And they don't just have Dende come over and make Earth new Dragonballs, they make him the guardian as well ,and the Namekian Dragonballs are both made by the Elder.Piccolo doesn't want to be the Guardian
>Bojack released in 1993>Chrono Trigger begins development in 1993Bravo Toriyama
>>585193827>>585192537I think Dende is right, and not just because we shouldn't be disagreeing with characters without strong reasoning, but because there is supporting evidence beyond that.It's just "Piccolo can not create Dragonballs" is not that evidence
>>585193375>Dead Zone>Piccolo Sr SagaDead Zone is pretty kino and makes me wonder why Toriyama and Toei never made more stories between 23rd Budokai and Raditz
Most pre-Z Dragonball what ifs end abruptly when Raditz shows up.
>Broly>Broly Second Coming>Bio Broly>Broly: Super EditionWhy does Toei love Broly so much?
>>585196318The fanbase loves Z Broly.
>>585195780Yeah, because he's a pretty big power wall. Vegeta is another one.Freeza is by far the biggest one tho, most what ifs kinda just have no way around him.
>>585197192As much as we love them, I feel like dragonball isn't really that great of a setting for what ifs due to the walls. It just kind of ends up being "this saga just ends early" if the required power doesn't show up. Perfect Cell happening basically railroads canon because only Gohan can deal with him. Buu's conditions to happen are so hyper specific that it usually just doesn't happen in most of these what ifs as far as i've seen
>>585197758Dragon Ball is a traditional JRPG rather than an Open World RPG is how I like to put it.Doesn't matter what you do, unless you get to the right level and go face the boss, you're getting nowhere.
Patiently waiting for anime filler, GT and movie content to show up Xenoverse 3.
>>585197758>>585198456Also I think not being a great setting for What Ifs is a good sign for a story. Means you did a great in your sequence of events if people mostly can't find a credible alternative and everything is tight enough there's not many gap to pass through.
>>585197192>Freeza is by far the biggest one tho, most what ifs kinda just have no way around him.Some of the movies try to fit into the manga>Cooler's RevengeAfter Trunks warns about Android 19 and 20 being the androids invading in 3 years>Android 13>Broly10-day wait before the Cell Games>BojackAfter Cell Games >Broly Second ComingBefore 25th Budokai>Bio BrolyDuring Majin Buu saga>Wrath of the DragonAfter Kid Buu
https://youtu.be/NDYEPfPCHj4Gotenbros....
>>585189616Oh thank goodness, i thought i was going to delete the game finally
>>585198610I wouldn't say that, per se. Good writing doesn't inherently create one credible sequence of events. There's a lot of scenarios in fiction where things only happen due to bad luck or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time
What is the /dbg/ stance on canon? Should only the original manga be canon?
>>585198859
>>585199246I mean, does it matter? Canon is ultimately just what the original author/ rights holder decides what is canon but that has no real bearing on what I'm personally allowed to like. If you want to think Goku beat Cooler's ass during the three year gap go nuts, no one can stop you
>>585199246>What is the /dbg/ stance on canon?What Toriyama did is canon so DB/Z, DBS and Daima. Potentially XV3 depending on his involvement.Canon in the future on the other hand will be decided by whatever corpo or estate owns the franchise, which I feel fully free to ignore at my whims.
>>585199246What i like is canon. What i didn't like is not canon.
>>585199246Pure canon>Original mangaToriyama canon>Original manga>Filler that he wrote >Battle of Gods>Resurrection F>Napkin notes for U6, Zamasu and ToP>Broly's original 3 hour script>Super Hero>XV3Toriyama-extended canon>Original manga>Filler that he wrote >Movie characters he designed>Battle of Gods>Resurrection F>Broly's original 3 hour script>Super Hero>XV3Toei canon>Dragon Ball Z>Dragon Ball Super animeSuper Kai canon>Dragon Ball manga>Dragon Ball Super Kai>Galactic PatrolGT canon>DB>DBZ>DBGTDaima canon>Original manga>DaimaToyotaro canon>DB manga>Battle of Gods movie>Resurrection F movie>Super manga
>>585192153the goal was to decouple him from the balls so that if he died again earth wouldn't lose access to them.
>>585200106>Broly's original 3 hour scriptIt would be a huge waste to not use this for Super Kai
Toriyama's Kefla...
Kefla looks so ugly in XV3 besides this particular shot.
>>585200106>XV3>Canon
Why the hell is Breakers specifically in maintenance?
>>585207036Probably the same reason why DOAXVV, 4chan, DLSite and F95 was
>>585207338Don't think so.XV2 isn't having maintenance. Basically the same servers.
Funny little what if: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_3EkOu0zsI'd read that as a short fanfic.
>DBZ was made on 16mm film>Episodes 73-80 were shot on 35mm film>Toei won't remaster DBZ in 1080p or 2160p>Funimation cancelled Level Sets>Funimation has moved to CrunchyrollBros...
>>585207036Maybe the end of ranked?>>585207338I doubt Breakers needs PHP.
>>585209223Maybe.
>>585209173>Funimation cancelled Level SetsGod, this hurts me the most...
Favorite Z movie?
>>585209863I like the one where Goku use the nyoibo
>>585178213Kinda related, seems like Mastarmedia detransitioned and is now seething about the death battle thing.
Apparently we can unlock this car if we bond with Trunks in XV3
>>585211113Not the coolest DB vehicle but neat
Am I crazy for not finding the graphical improvements in XV3 all that impressive? Feels like it went from a 4/10 to a 5/10. Just scraping the bare minimum of what should be acceptable.
>>585212590The improvement was very impressive previously but for some reason, that last look at it looked worse
Dr Stone's artist drew that Roshi.
>>585212814Murata drew Whis, Zeno and his bodyguards
>>585213341He looks so chubby
>>585196318It's not Toei.Have you not seen the fifty thousand MAD videos the japs make with Z Broly?They love him.
>>585180647>No one used Purification>Let's reuse this for another raceAbsolute insanity, or laziness I don't know which. I bet it's for the second transformation, which is probably going to be 100%.
>>585216367It is, you can see the buff fridge in the icon
The line was changedOriginal line: これが最強のスーパーサイヤ人3/"This is the most powerful Super Saiyan 3!"New line: スーパーサイヤ人3の力、見せてやろうぜ!/"I'll show you the power of Super Saiyan 3!"
This reminds me of Breakers' transpheres like Beerus' lol.
>>585218420
How come they haven't shown a single good looking CaC in all the XV3 promotion so far? Crazy.
>>585056438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLGdmNFtsQMan, this doesn't feel like xenoverse 3, this feels like xenoverse x genshikin squadra laced with some breakers maps. I'm disappointed, especiallywith how for some dumbass reason theres no base form Gogeta and I bet the freiza race mainers are even more disappointed that their unique awakening this game is just Purification Freiza editionI agree with who said we should have more races then, I wanna see glinds and I wanna see saiyans with tails after a year's delay
>>585224295isn't left just a rare gohan and not actual Gohan?
>>585225337>I bet the freiza race mainers are even more disappointed that their unique awakening this game is just Purification Freiza editionYes, I'm insanely salty about it
>>585191109He EXPLICITLY is
>>585226625Nope, it's from the mentors screen, that's how Cell Game Gohan looks in XV3 as of now
>>585224295oh they're so fixing this crap, the reputation would tank just by this single model alone
>>585225337I just wanted neo machine mutants.
The real question is if they will swallow their pride and go back to do Xeno 2 DLC
All they gotta do is a final festival of universes because the only things people care about in xenoverse 2 are the fit and the transformations, people would come back for CAC super saiyan 4
>>585229865It would be really funny if all of this XV3 stuff was just an extremely elaborate prank.
>>585197192Sure but there is no guarantee that Vegeta comes to Earth or that the what if characters learn about Namek
>>585199246Careful you are opening a 5000 word semantic argument.>Should I don't think one version of the story should be granted artificial precedents over the others.
>>585180647What a letdown. I don't know what else I should have expected knowing bamco. >>585218546This thumbnail makes him look oddly cute
>Spike worked for 6 years on Sparking Zero but it was so undercooked they only added the INTRO only 2.5 years after release>Dimps worked 8 years on Xenoverse 3 but it looks and plays so bad they're delaying it Lol sure thing.
>>585225337>>585226958>Several yt shorts of an AI voice talking about how cool final form Frieza race is going to be
>>585209863Tree of Might.
>>585217452This reminds me of anime gacha games. You just chip away at the shield until it breaks and then you and your party spam a bunch of flashy attacks while they seizure around
>>585198610>Means you did a great in your sequence of events if people mostly can't find a credible alternative and everything is tight enough there's not many gap to pass through.No, it doesn't mean that at all nessicarily.
>>585181731no discs then
>>585227551According to who? Dende? You are using Dende to defend Dende?Vegeta is also explicitly the strongest in the universe according to Vegeta
>>585242986Who cares you can burn it onto a disc yourself.
>>585242986>implying any PC gamer has even had a disc drive in over a decade
The game's been soft-canceled.
>>585243354But don't you understand the DMCA allows people to take software you bought away from you. and so we need "physical" media because a disc contains magic not software
>>585199246If it's consistent, it's canon in my opinion at least when it comes to Dragon Ball.
>>585209863World's Strongest Ocean dub.
>>585243402And nothing of value was lost.
>>585197758>As much as we love them, I feel like dragonball isn't really that great of a setting for what ifs due to the wallsI can agree with that, I don't think it is a flaw, but like Raditz is special, unless you cheat and change more than is in the original question. basically Raditz is literally a guaranteed spawn, that just obliterates basically anything from pre-Z.Nappa and Vegeta are also pretty bad, and they are hard to avoid.But Frieza is easily avoidableThe Androids and Cell scale to the events, so are always a managable threat... unless the HTC get's blown up.Goku's heart virus is a big problem if you have an alive GokuPui Pui, Yakon and Dabra are also a guaranteed spawn, regardless of what happens on Earth most of the time, but if you kill Babadi, I don't know why they would all hang out on Earth, I figure they would go home or something Dabra was on Earth 300 years ago and he didn't stick around....and you don't need to be particularly strong to kill Babidi according to BoG you don't even need to be able to defeat Frieza to kill him
>>585249115My issue is if you end up avoiding threats in this series you just end up having no plot to work with? Like if Buu isn't unleashed that arc just kind of ends, same for stuff like Cell. There's just not much alternative plots outside of the stuff already there. I guess you can throw in movies. You either face the wall, and get kind of railroaded, or you bypass it and there's just kind of no plot
>>585249308Dragon Ball tries to end twice before it does, and it doesn't even end there because there are three sequels, and GT doesn't even end where GT ends, it has sequels. You are treating Age 774 or Age 784 as an end target where something interesting has to happen at every point between the start of your what-if and then for it be good. which is funny because there are several extended peaceful time skipsA good what-ifs plot ends when it's plot ends. Somebody gets a meaningful victory and it is secure for the foreseeable future.
>>585252012I'm more in tune with the fanfiction scene so my perspective may be a bit different, but my idea of a good what-if is alternate scenarios that can lead to meaningfully different and fun alternate stories than what happens in canon. I don't think Dragonball what ifs tend to lend themselves to that and instead just kind of end plots early a bit, which I simply don't find that compelling. Let's take for example like, the No-Goku universe in multiverse. It has some interesting ideas like kaioken Z sword videl, but if you looked under the hood i'm pretty sure it'd 90% be just "they do kienzan/ mafuba abuse to end threats" and though that is a reasonable what if, it's not really compelling.
they showed off the chi-chi outfit a bit hopefully she's in the game but we'll see
>>585252321>I don't think Dragonball what ifs tend to lend themselves to thatI don't think many series react well to one sentence changes, but Dragon Ball especially doesn't. True.>instead just kind of end plots early a bitI don't know what you mean by Early specifically. I mean if you mean anything that doesn't involve Buu being defeated directly is "ending early" then I agree that most would have to. But I don't know why that is a goal, I think a what-if based fanfic should ends on time when it's plot satisfyingly ends. By that I'd say most Dragonball what-ifs have to end really late, because you have to undergo a 20+ year timeskip to write "then somebody blew up Babbadi, and everyone working for him went home" in the best case, or you have to undercut yourself with "The victory out protagonists worked so hard for, was blown up shortly after by Raditz/Buu"
>>585254791>I think a what-if based fanfic should ends on time when it's plot satisfyingly ends.My issue is dragonball what if plots don't really tend to lead themselves towards satisfying endings, because dragonball as a series is based off of its big bombastic final bosses and cutting around them just kind of has the plot deflate. Like if I write a what if and just have raditz kill imperfect cell and then it ends there, like that would make sense. But it'd kind of just be a bit of a wet fart, A lot of what ifs a kind of like this.
>>585255342>because dragonball as a series is based off of its big bombastic final bosses and cutting around them just kind of has the plot deflateI mean I can't help but notice you are exclusively taking about Vegeta, Freiza, Cell and Buu, not guys like Baby, Beerus, or Gomah. I don't think anyone would have a problem with those guys not showing up in a what-if fanfic. I think you are too familiar with them. I don't think if Toriyama really did quit DB after Cell, I don't think anyone would be complaining that the story isn't satisfying because an eighth strong guy didn't show up and Dragon Ball is a story that needs eight strong guys not seven.A Piccolo Sr. Saga what-if shouldn't need to have Frieza show up for it to be a satisfying story. Frieza isn't a natural extension of Piccolo Sr.
>>585256408I mean i'm gonna be honest anon i've basically never seen a fanfic get past buu, much less to super, and EVEN LESS GT. I don't even consider it a possibility.
>>585256408>I don't think if Toriyama really did quit DB after Cell, I don't think anyone would be complaining that the story isn't satisfying because an eighth strong guy didn't show up and Dragon Ball is a story that needs eight strong guys not seven.Cell Saga naturally ended on a super strong note against a massive villain, my point is a lot of what ifs tend to kind of cut this off and just kill the bad guy off early. It's less the amount of bad guys and more that what ifs tend to undercut tension as opposed to adding to them. Like, basically every what if everywhere just deals with Gohan has him train because it annoys people, but that just ends up undercutting stuff and not in an interesting way.
Torishima threatened to rip Dragon Ball away from Toei if they didn't give up their rights to Yu-Gi-Oh so a new anime could get made.https://ygorganization.com/kataokayoshirointerview
>>585257160Toei don't even like or care about DB they just want to money that comes from it. There was a One Piece interview type thing years ago when it was all the old DB animators talking about how they love working on OP but not DB. I think it was during the Whole Cake Island arc.
>>585257789I disagree. If that was the case Toei wouldn't have been bothered to make SDBH anime but they did so anyway.
>>585256781So does every saga after after the 22nd WMAT, and most Sagas are tied to the one after them by a single thin thread easy to remove without damaging the Saga.Except the Piccolo Jr Saga, Frieza Saga and Cell Saga which don't even imply the existence of a Saga after them.
>>585258617Disagree, they make money from cards. The anime isn't exactly well produced.
>>585257160Based
>>585258728And yeah, that's fine, i'm cool with that. I'm talking about just within a single arc. Like just Celll Saga and nothing else for the sake of argument here. Most what ifs that fuck with Cell Saga end up taking him out early(because perfect cell is a railroad), and therefore there's just kind of no real climax. It's perfectly fine if you just want to end your what if at namek or the saiyans or cell or whatever, but i'm saying most resolutions tend to fall flat. Namek has some stuff like super saiyan Gohan or Vegeta that can fit that bill, though.
>>585196318Devil Broly: Gigantic Turnabout
>>585259564what the fuck is base super saiyan pan going to do here
>>585259667job
>>585232665Freeza was coming to Earth at some point regardless tho. The characters not being on Namek means there's 0 chances he get his wish at least.
>>585259564I think what gets me the most about pictures like this is what exactly stops this from being a an exact repeat of the movie but with a slightly different cast? Broly's just invincible again but now you get to see him beat up Pan and stuff.
>>585259667Moral support.
>no one's made a "die to give Gohan a powerup" jokeCome on /dbg/ you're slippin'
>>585259334I feel like we started talking past each-other. I was saying that Raditz undermines a lot of otherwise satisfying Pre-Z what-ifs. Because whatever victory that is achieved is borderline inevitably undermined by Raditz.
>>585261257Gohan isn't even there
>>585261575Gohan is always here, in our hearts
>>585261616Not mine. He should go back to work.
>>585259564Adult Gotenks will shitmog him
>>585259983>Freeza was coming to Earth at some point regardless thoTechnically? But it is implied that Frieza's empire is mainly outside of North Galaxy. Namek is also explicitly closer to Planet Frieza than Earth is, so... also we don't know how long lived Frieza is, even if he doesn't age it could take decades, centuries or milenia for him to reach Earth.Also East Supreme Kai exists, and would surely do something eventually... surely
>>585262554Shin was well aware of frieza and did absolutely nothing about him ever
>>585262670And? I said eventually, Frieza only has at minimum 80 inhabited planets, and only might have an intergalactic empire. There is a lot of leeway for Frieza to not be a problem, and become a problem.
>>585262554>But it is implied that Frieza's empire is mainly outside of North Galaxy.Not really, Freeza's empire is universe wide (ROF says more than 70%, don't ask me how that work with an infinite universe), they just haven't done anything in the Milky Way yet but like a galaxy take like a day to go through with their spaceships.>Also East Supreme Kai exists, and would surely do something eventually... surelyBeerus knew about Freeza and didn't kill him, which means he's off limit to divine intervention cause nobody wanna step on Beerus' toes.Also Nahare did jackshit except run after Babidi for 5 million years despite knowing so I doubt it'd be new.
>>585262554>>585263375Also Earth was in the Saiyan target list so it's probably in the Freeza target list, just low priority.
>>585243051>false equivalenceBravo, retard. Vegeta has no way to know every person in the universe and is known to be prideful to extreme coping degrees, Dende is just a kid who knows about his race and had no agency when he told Piccolo what class of namekian he was.Also I'm pretty sure Nail recognized Piccolo as a warrior class, too.
>>585263375>Freeza's empire is universe wide (ROF says more than 70%Oh well then Frieza would have never gotten to Earth because he would have run across General Rildo and he would have one shot Frieza
>>585264092>Vegeta has no way to know every person in the universeTrue but he literally works for Frieza, and knew who Dodoria, Zarbon, Guildo, Jeice, Recoom, Burter, Ginyu and Cold were.
I wonder how much people in the frieza force even get paid. It doesn't really seem like Saiyans were all that well off for the most part.
>>585264234>General RildoWho?
>>585264506>I wonder how much people in the frieza force even get paid.Cheelai and Lemo seemed to be paid pretty well as recruiters and some Freeza dudes mention getting their own planets as reward.Also it's to be noted that the whole planet trading is literally Freeza's hobby, it's not actually something his empire need or that's important.
It's interesting to me that back in the day along with yamcha death jokes Krillin was memed on for dying all the time. Which is weird because he only really dies the one time in Namek then again in buu saga but that's like half the cast who dies there. (I know he dies to tambourine in OGDB but no one watched OGDB back then)
>>585264234nice headcanon Hyou
>>585265470We talked about that before. It's essentially because of Z filler and Z movies, where Krillin would suddenly get really cowardly or get dunked on so hard he'd be the only one who can't get a hit in and even lampshade it with stuff like 'Why only me?!' when he get countered.
>>585265470>>585265761Also his death is really memorable so when you hear he died at other points too, it stands out more.
>>585265761It's interesting how the Z movies have an extreme weight on how dragonball is viewed as a show, moreso than any other anime series I know. Dragonball being the Goku Show kinda mostly comes from them
>>585266317Yeah, I assume the games taking them into account and fitting their tone doesn't help.Also the English Dub being very meme-y make it worse.
You can just do that?
>>585266317>>585266641The US version literally had movie scenes on the OP in addition to airing them in between the episodes IIRC.
>>585267273I mean it worked for piccolo
>>585267273The Dark Dragon Balls are bullshit, you can just shove them up your ass and they make you as strong as Xeno Goku.
>>585264412Notice how you ignored nearly everything I wrote in my post, even part of the sentence you replied to>Vegeta has no way to know every person in the universe and *is known to be prideful to extreme coping degrees*Vegeta is a retard who will cry and yell he's the best as he gets his ass kicked. Dende is a namekian kid who is asked a question from someone with minimal knowledge of nameks and earnestly answers it because he has no reason to lie to Piccolo to himself or to anyone.
>>585267489This was specifically a wish though apparently. Not like Dark Dragon Ball Absorbed Cell X or whatever.
>>585267604I imagine that if the balls themselves can do it, it's even better when you wish at the dragon.The Dragon was like Demigra tier too.
I do miss heroes, it was dumb bullshit but sometimes I really do just want some dumb bullshit
>>585268004Game and manga were okay IMO.Anime was terrible outside that one cool moment with Goku vs Hearts tho.Only DB anime I didn't watch to the end.
>>585267273Remember the Heroes version that followed the (old) Super anime had its own vague version of some concepts from canon. First they had Cumber, a giant rampaging saiyan with a "legendary" power and an odd colored SS who also uses Ozaru power and fights a golden lizard and a Goku-Vegeta fusion, then they had Hearts, who amassed a lot of power with something that succ'd it out of others because he hated the gods or whatever and then they had Aeos who manipulated people and gave them power ups with Dragon Balls, and they even tried to put some focus on Cell too, then discarded it but kept the final boss being a giant retard and it was even animated by CGI too kek It's just the shit they pulled to avoid adapting DBS Broly, the Galactic Patrol Prisoner arc, the Survivor Granolah arc and DBS Superhero.
>>585268004Dragon Ball is at its best when it does dumb bullshit.
>>585268239Heroes was always its own thing, though. I don't think this was supposed to be an attempt to avoid adapting anything, it was promotion for the game. It's also weirdly reductionist and misses like half the shit like Hearts' gravity powers, Cumber being the saiyan that killed Yamoshi, Fuu in his entirety, and Aeos being the former supreme kai of time
>>585257789>all the old DB animators talking about how they love working on OP but not DBCan you blame them? They had to work under Yamamuro's designs for decades and had their work constantly redrawn to look worse. When the BoG and RoF came out, DB veterans like Masaki Sato and Hisashi Eguchi even called Yamamuro "a big fish in a small pond who sticks to one franchise without ever progressing". Freelancers weren't much kinder either. Oh, and don't forget, DBS' production was a complete shitshow. Animators didn't have time to polish anything and their unfinished scribbles got them shamed and dogpiled on by the entire internet (and Toei themselves, that one time they threw the animators under the bus for PR).For the longest time, no one wanted to work on Dragon Ball.
>>585257160Torishima has no rights on DB so sounds like bullshit.
>>585166930I think you're restating my point in that Broly is simply not a good villain for the kind of story a Dragon Ball movie requires, if he was in the mainline story they'd have to pull a Justice League Amazo on him and have him suddenly realize he wants to learn what a life worth living is like rather than continue on a path that will destroy himself in the processIn other words a chance to redo the 16 moment that might be better or worse than the actual 16 moment(though the bar is quite low there)
>>585268926>if he was in the mainline story they'd have to pull a Justice League Amazo on himUnlike Amazo, Broly doesn't actually get any stronger, though. Like that's a misinterpretation of that "my power is growing, overflowing line" which like yeah it just overflows into a big ass bomb attack which blows up a bunch of stuff, he's not just randomly getting stronger.
>>585268926I wasn't talking about that tho?
>>585268653True, from what I recall it was also that they were bored of drawing and animating the same fights over and over, where with One Piece they were fighting over who gets to draw and animate what because there's a lot of weirdness and silliness as opposed to just the same generic choregraphed fights.
>>585270275Honestly outside of particular standouts like Buu you cant get all that crazy with dragonball's coreography
>>585269137>he's not just randomly getting stronger.But in M10 he was randomly on >SS2 tier so he clearly is?
>>585273138You can pretty easily just attribute that to a zenkai, tbf.
>>585263520Namek was also known to the Sayians, and is closer to any confirmed Frieza world than Earth yet nobody was going there until the secret of the Dragonballs is revealed
>>585268819While Torishima was technically just an editor at the time, he had the kinda pull and connections you'd expect from a CEO. Don't forget, he hated the original Dragon Ball anime so much that he had its leading staff demoted/removed, brought in a team of directors and writers he personally liked, and relaunched the series as Dragon Ball Z. That was back in the '80s. 5 years after the Yugioh thing, he was on Shueisha's board of directors. He wasn't just some Joe Shmoe.
>>585273669I honestly don't get why torishima was so hyper insulted by the DKP fight. I've never seen anyone call it terrible other than him
>>585273804Japanese autism is a quite a beast
Instead of late 2027, I'd rather the game release around mid 2028.
>>585273804Like he had problems with the anime adaptation? It's not more of downgrade than any other final fight.
>>585276117I think so, allegedly he HATED the anime adaptation of that fight
>>585273305>>585259983Would Earth being conquered by Frieza even be that bad?
>>585280343Everyone get killed so yes
>>585280343>would a facist dictatorship be badwhy yes that would be bad despite what fridges will tell you
so XV3 confirmed shit?
>>585280692I don't think Frieza's really a fascist. Totaltarian sure but he's more of a corperate overlord than the fuhrer
>>585280716yesso far its looking like they completely disregarded the previous games in exchange for some shitty mmo slop game XV3 looks more like a squadra sequel than a XV game
>>585280517>Everyone get killed so yesI don't think so. Frieza only genocides the Sayians because he thinks they could annoy him, with a average PL of 12k he was right, to be. The strongest Earthling to ever exist would be Prime Roshi, who doesn't have a PL, but was definitely under 400.He genocides the Namekians because they all resist him, not to mention they are almost certainly the second strongest race in the mortal realm, and can make Dragonballs to unimmortal Frieza.
>>585280971>with a average PL of 12k he was right, to be.wtf, no? King Vegeta was like 10k. Namekians are noted to be a fairly strong race by vegeta but absolutely not "the second strongest race in existence"
>>585281273>King Vegeta was like 10kNot stated all that we know of King Vegeta is that in base he was below 18k in a nebulous but significant way...Raditz is a low class warrior in a warrior society so I don't know why we wouldn't take him as the averageNappa is an elite, but holding that title implies there were others on his level and with his potential 70k-80k he would be stronger than litteraly anyone not from the Chilled Clan or named Captain Ginyu.
>>585280971>I don't think so.You'd be wrong. Genociding the planet's population before selling it is literally what he does.>>585281273Nail had a PL of 40K tho.>with his potential 70k-80kOnly if there's a full moon and with an obvious weak point that even Cui could exploit.
>>585282034Nail's extremely strong, but I assumed we were considering on average and not outliers. Granted if you want to get shitposty about it you can bring up how the nameless namekian was just turbo strong for some reason
>>585282034>You'd be wrong. Genociding the planet's population before selling it is literally what he doesNo that's what the Sayians did anon. Frieza likes to collect planets and has a multirace empire every time we see it.
>>585282229the ginyu force were quite literally going to do the same shit that the saiyans were doing to the yardratians
>>585282134Nail is the only Warrior Type Namekian, who isn't the child of Piccolo Sr, I think he is supposed to be the average warrior type Namekian. Not to mention the three Namekians we see fight back all have a PL of 3k, and all Namekians can fly well and use generic Ki blasts so even a child like Dende or an peaceful elder like Moori have PLs with two extra digits compared to equivalent Earthlings
>>585282527>I think he is supposed to be the average warrior type NamekianI don't think we can confidently say this given we have a sample size of exactly 1
>>585282229>No that's what the Sayians did anon.The saiyans worked for Freeza.
>>585282134>Nail's extremely strong, but I assumed we were considering on average and not outliersI mean, the average Namekian fighter we saw was stronger than Freeza's soldiers, who were stronger than your average saiyan like Raditz.And the strongest Namekian we see is Nail, who's stronger than the strongest Saiyan we had seen at the time, Vegeta and his 24K or whatever post-Zenkai.>Granted if you want to get shitposty about it you can bring up how the nameless namekian was just turbo strong for some reasonWell yeah but that's more the 'Freeza' or 'Goku' category at that point.
>>585282845Yes, but Vegeta has living memories of them not doing that. Do you they work for Frieza as Freelancers? You can't sell a planet to Frieza if you are his subject.>>585282318Vegeta said they were in the middle of conquering it, in the offical English, and in the fanslation the Ginyu force hadn't even been there yet. No mention of genocide, in either case. So you don't have a source. Unless you speak Japanese.
why didn't the nameless namekian just use his android 17 tier powerlevel to punch the storms away? are they stupid?
Are we scaling Katat's Son to Nail and Kami absorbed Piccolo Jr?Why are we doing that?
>>585283597Nail says that if he had his full power he'd easily be able to defeat frieza. He probably wouldn't be android 17 level, sure, but he'd be up there.
>>585283597>Are we scaling Katat's Son to Nail and Kami absorbed Piccolo Jr?Guru said he'd have folded Freeza and Piccolo directly says he's the Nameless Namekian after fusing with Kami>>585283423That would just damage the planet more.
>>585283741just ki control to only attack the clouds and not the planet
>>585283741He also says he is mostly Piccolo after that, and before that Kami says Piccolo will stay Piccolo. Anyway the only on screen example of spliting the Evil from your being and then recombining results in a much stronger person than the original.
>>585284005I don't really think we should compare buu to namekian fusion, that's an entirely seperate thing
>>585283875That would just make the weather worse.
>>585283716Nail doesn't know how strong Frieza is. Nail doesn't know how strong the son of Katat was.
>>585257789>There was a One Piece interview type thing years ago when it was all the old DB animators talking about how they love working on OP but not DB.Isn't that an unsourced claim? It's parroted a lot but I have yet to see a link to that interview.>>585273804I watched the fight the other day, and while it's not terrible, it's not really good. In particular the Toei pacing made the finisher look much worse because it's supposed to all have happened fast, but they delayed how long it took for Goku's kamehameha to launch him, and for it to hit, which made DKP's reaction to everything look much slower.>>585281742>Not stated all that we know of King Vegeta is that in base he was below 18k in a nebulous but significant way...Vegeta claims to have surpassed him as a child, so he could be much weaker than that. All we can assume is that King Vegeta is stronger than Nappa.
>>585284186>Nail doesn't know how strong the son of Katat was.I mean Guru probably just told him about it
>>585284120The ability to drive evil out of your heart isn't a Namekian ability. They are both demons who fuse through absorbtion, and had the evil that was cast out absorb the good version.I can not imagine a more applicable example. >>585284694The Son of Katat was a litteral infant able to be hurt by falling onto a rock when Guru last saw him.
>>585284820>I can not imagine a more applicable example.They don't really seem to work exactly the same, though. Buu explicitly does not gain the memories of the people he absorbs whereas Piccolo does.
>>585283357Anon, Raditz talks like saiyans genocide populations and sells planets, and nothing about the way saiyans do things is said to be particularly brutal by the standards of Freeza's force. When killing Namekians, nobody from Freeza's force talks like this is an unusual thing, and despite Zarbon and Dodoria detesting Vegeta, they never say he went too far when conquering planets and the like. Freeza force are very much as cartoonish evil as they can be, so they genocide very casually. Freeza himself would barely need a reason to kill off the remaining saiyans if he found the way they conquer planets to be too far.
>>585284393>Vegeta claims to have surpassed him as a child, so he could be much weaker than thatVegeta also thinks gaining power from effort is a slow and shit process, so Vegeta wouldn't be that much stronger year over year. A significant but unknown amount.
>>585284393>Isn't that an unsourced claim? It's parroted a lot but I have yet to see a link to that interview.I've seen the video I just don't know how to re-find it, so technically yes you are correct. It does exist and it is real but for all I know it was taken down and is lost media. I am not shitposting and I love DB but it was 100% a real video. If you don't believe that on word alone I understand until it ever resurfaces.
>>585284920>Buu explicitly does not gain the memories of the people he absorbs whereas Piccolo does.Super Buu explicitly remembers Mr. Satan, and Super Buu is Skinny Buu after absorbing Fat Buu, so Skinny Buu must have a gained Fat Buu's memories
>>585285137Buu's evil was directly a part of buu before he split off, though. So super buu would just have those memories. Buutenks explicitly has no idea who the hell dende is or how Gohan got healed despite having piccolo inside of him. Majin fusion also seems to directly affect buu's dispostion as a person much more than it does Piccolo, who comparatively simply gains power and some memories and nothing more.
You know, I wonder how exactly Kami was planning on the earthlings getting the dragonballs legitimately. "Yeah humans just find these hand-sized balls that can be anywhere on earth and i'm giving you zero guide on how to get them"
>>585284934>Anon, Raditz talks like saiyans genocide populations and sells planetsYes he talks like the genocide and sell planets because Frieza didn't exist in Toriyama's mind yet. What Raditz says is fundamentally incompatible as present tense statements with what Vegeta says on Namek.The Sayians work for Frieza, they don't sell planets to him.>When killing Namekians, nobody from Freeza's force talks like this is an unusual thingYes killing people resisting would not be unusual to them. Nobody except the Ginyu force even has a chance to learn Frieza is going to genocide the Namekians, not to mention Dadoria (at least) knows Frieza genocided the Sayians.We never get to see Frieza deal with a cooperative alien that isn't threatening, so we can't know what he would, but judging by all the aliens casually around him it probably isn't shoot them anyway.
>>585286258>but judging by all the aliens casually around him it probably isn't shoot them anyway.I mean I don't see this as fundamentally incompatible. He has a bunch of aliens under his pay but also has planets that he genocides, both are true. It could be entirely possible that plenty of aliens work for him to avoid getting genocided.
>>585268557>Heroes was always its own thing, thoughNo it fucking wasn't? Heroes came out in 2010 and it wasn't until God Mission in 2015 that they added their own story parallel to the proper arcs and movies they were already adapting before. Then the Super movies (before Super was even a thing) and then the proper Super anime came out they kept these original arcs parallel to the new movies/arcs to adapt, and then when the old Super anime was canned they decided to make a continuation of it so this new arc moved the main story forward while they kept having their Xeno original story parallel to it.From Heroes' point of view, Universe Mission, Big Bang Mission and Ultra God Mission are just what happens after the Universal Survival arc in the same fashion said arc is what happens after the Future Trunks arc, the Xeno stuff was separated from that like it was since 2015.
>>585286441>I mean I don't see this as fundamentally incompatibleIt's not a hard contradiction, but it implies otherwise, and outside of that one thing Raditz says, which has to be less than truthful, for many reasons. There is no reason to believe Frieza commits unmotivated Genocide as both Genocides are explicitly strongly motivated.
>>585286258>Yes he talks like the genocide and sell planets because Frieza didn't exist in Toriyama's mind yetYeah, but everything the saiyans were doing when they were self employed was relegated to Freeza's force, so from the start conquering and genociding planets to sell them was being done by someone, and Freeza's introduction only changed who the boss is.>What Raditz says is fundamentally incompatible as present tense statements with what Vegeta says on Namek.Only what's related to the background of how saiyans were killed and saiyans working for themselves. The conquering itself is unchanged, and if anything Freeza's introduction increased it's scale, as it went from 3 guys to an army.>The Sayians work for Frieza, they don't sell planets to him.Yeah, they work for Freeza and conquer planets the Freeza way. If saiyans were meant to be particularly brutal about the way they go about conquering then it would be mentioned, but since such comments aren't made, and everyone from Freeza force we see are seal clubbers, there's no reason to believe saiyans are uniquely brutal when it comes to conquering.
>>585287542Profit's a pretty good motivation. besides, Freiza is explicitly supposed to be based off of a loan shark, right? You kind of cant do that without him buying and selling property
>>585287786Yes Frieza is based of a land shark, but he explicitly likes to personally own property for no reason other than owning it, it is his hobby (literally and explicitly), not his profession.
>>585287723I'd like to thank Toriyama for admitting in plain text on the cover that Dragon Ball Minus isn't part of his initial vision or intention. I don't know why anyone would bring it up, especially when they show you that Toriyama said that on the cover.
>>585288272Toriyama is remarkably honestly about such things.
>>585288947Some people forget just how frank Toriyama is about his own series. He knows it was something that he made up on the seat of his pants with a deadline coming up, and whatever vision he originally had isn't really that important compared to what he actually puts on paper. He's made it clear in a couple interviews that not planning everything ahead allowed even himself to be surprised by what happens next; and honestly, based.
>>585288272>It wasn't always planned so it means it doesn't existThat's retarded
>>585288272>I don't know why anyone would bring it upBecause the author made it so it's objectively what happened in the story.
>>585288272>if the author came up with it later then it doesn't count!Holy shit I can't believe Goku was an earthling all along because saiyans weren't planned until the Piccolo arc or so
>>585289695No it exists, and if you want to talk about it you can. But Toriyama told you it isn't a part of the original story, so if we are talking about the original story Toriyama himself told it wasn’t a part of it, on the chapter page.
>>585290495>if we are talking about the original storyAlmost nobody does that, we talk about a full continuity (usually the canon one). If you like to pretend a whole continuity must be composed only of the first entry that's your cope
>>585290495>But Toriyama told you it isn't a part of the original storyIt is, it was just added later. There was empty space on the canvas and Toriyama drew on it.
>>585290495>>585291383Like I don't see how that is different from how Toriyama didn't have Saiyans planned when he gave Goku a tail.
>>585291141Well most people in this general tend to, except you who shows up at around the same time everyday with consistent mannerisms, and I think more people like to discuss the Lord of the Rings books over the rights holder approved canon of Rings of Power, I hope you also go over the their forms and yell at them about how the Tolkien Estate approved Rings of Power so it is the current offical continuity.
>>585291529There's none, he's just retarded. It's like saying Zelda 2 isn't canon because the lore of the triforce of courage didn't exist when they made Zelda 1
>>585291603>genuine schizophrenia and comparing what an amazon series is to Tolkien's works to what Toriyama's work is to (also) Toriyama's workYou aren't gonna make it buddy
>>585291603>the rights holderNotice how it's 'rights holders' and not Tolkien? Completely different people?
>With xenoverse 3 delayed it's gonna be at least a year's worth of pedantic arguing. Get me out of this fucking madhouse
>>585292102>>585291948So Daima is the last piece of canon we will ever get? Also one of you used offical, which everything licensed by the rights holder is offical
>>585292314Not everything the author makes has to be canon, dumbass, because the author is free to make a different continuity, an alt world, a spin-off, etc. Daima was created with the same multiversal lore as Super but the story doesn't match, it's something else. You may as well say Lady Red is canon to DB because it was also Toriyama's.
>>585292731You and the guy from before the PHP incident can debate which is the real definition of Canon.
another 21 mod has hit sparking zerohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCaVfwXZBw
>>585292314>So Daima is the last piece of canon we will ever get?Depend on Toriyama's involvement with the GP arc and XV3 but so far yes.
>>585293270Is it good?
>>585291802Nobody said not canon. I said not part of the orginal story, which is definitely true, Zelda 2 is not part of Zelda 1, just like Dragon Ball Minus isn't part of Dragon Ball, you can tell because their titles are diffrent among other things.>>585291529Well it isn't strictly speaking. If you wanted to discuss the continuity of Dragonball that only includes arbitrary chapters you can...I don't know who would, but if you can get other people to discuss that continuity with you I wouldn't try to stop you, I would be confused.There are people here interested in discussing Dragon Ball without its sequels.
>>585293770looks pretty good to me, definitely the best one so far
>>585293929Nice
>>585293270Nice.
>>585285354Kami's evil was a part of him, but when it became Piccolo Sr, Senior didn't have Kami's memories
>>585296665It's inconsistent. He doesn't know what the dragonballs are but he knows namekian and stuff like that
>>585296750Namekian is a skill, people who lose their memory retain their skills including language, in real life, and in general fictional tropes.
>>585297012>>585296750In your head when Kami casts out Piccolo from himself, does Piccolo like fall over limply because he has forgotten how to walk? Also the Son of Katat fell and forgot his memory of arriving on Earth, he didn't have a Grampa Gohan to save him, so he can't forget how to walk and survive.he also remembered Namekian so it's entirely content actually.
>>585296665Sure, but we know buu doesn't gain memories from the people he absorbs, so he had to have gotten them just from being buu since Buu is just absorbed in the same way that everyone else is. That aside the main difference between the two is that buu literally straight up eats them and they're a whole ass person inside of buu whereas namekians just straight up fully absorb their entire essence. Unless the idea is there's just like a tiny kami inside of piccolo somewhere.
If each of the main cast got a different weapon as a gimmick in some hypothetical post-Granolah arc, what weapon would you give each of them?
>>585298649everyone gets swords
>>585298743What types of swords?
>>585298918cool swords
>>585298743>>585298918Also no way Tenshinhan doesn't get a trident or spear.
>>585299078he can have a very long sword
>>585299050Cool how?
>>585297680Fucked up how both of the main aliens in the cast hit their head to forget their past. All the good guy aliens should hit their head. Trunks should have hit his head and forgot he was Vegeta's kid and Vegeta also hits his head to forget he had a kid
>>585298317>Unless the idea is there's just like a tiny kami inside of piccolo somewhere.We've never seen anyone put up a barrier while Piccolo tried to absorb them, so with some of the retcons that have been made, I would be surprised if it happened.>but we know buu doesn't gain memories from the people he absorbsWe know he doesn't get the memories of people from different species he absorbs, it could work differently if he absorbs another Buu, especially when you consider that Buu can only be damaged by another Buu.I think Kami absorbed Piccolo is so strong because he worked out with Gohan and the Dragon Team a lot, and absorbing Kami just boosted him. I think it is strange to think merging reset their power.The only strange thing is that Nail says if Piccolo absorbed Kami he could beat Frieza when absorbing Kami provided a smaller boost than absorbing Nail. There are many potential explanations, so not a plot hole, just strange.
The reason that Broly hasn't asked to use the dragonballs to revive Paragus is because when the dragonballs teleported him back to Vampa he was too tired and tripped over a rock and hit his head and forgot about him.
>>585299323Kakarot hit his head which allowed him to unlearn the propaganda of the Sayians and learn goodness from humanityThe Son of Katot hit his head, and unlearned the peaceful ways of the Namekians and learn evil from humanityExcept no actually Goku is a chosen good guy whose father felt bad about all the genocide and wanted Goku to be Superman or something
>>585300076>Except no actually Goku is a chosen good guy whose father felt bad about all the genocide and wanted Goku to be Superman or somethingI don't care if it's from Toriyama himself, it's shit.
>>585300076That's not even what Minus says, it's just that the rocket pod thing to earth was intentional as opposed to a coincidental thing. I always thought the saiyan programming being downloaded into a baby was a weird plot point anyways Toriyama had to write a reason for him to forget being a saiyan when it's something he shouldn't have remembered anyways.
>>585299724>it could work differently if he absorbs another BuuIt very much does. Super Buu only ever remembers something another Buu that composes him knows about, but he doesn't recognize Dende, despite Gotenks and Piccolo all knowing him, and Super Buu explicitly absorbing Piccolo for his intellect. So somehow he absorbed Piccolo's knowledge, but not his memories... Though it's not like Super Buu ever shows anything besides fancier speech pattern after absorbing Piccolo, since he thought blinding Vegetto would work.>The only strange thing is that Nail says if Piccolo absorbed Kami he could beat Frieza when absorbing Kami provided a smaller boost than absorbing Nail.I don't know about that. Nail gave him a massive jump that put him around 2nd form Freeza's level, but Kami made Piccolo go from weaker than super saiyans, to 17's equal, and 17 knocked out Trunks in only one blow, while Piccolo after fusing with Kami claims 17's punches are fast, but weak.
>>585300076>whose father felt bad about all the genocide and wanted Goku to be Superman or somethingBardock only wanted to save Goku, nothing beyond that. Neither him or Gine show an ounce of regret of the brutal life style saiyans have. Gine is even smiling when talking about Raditz going on missions now.
>>585301374>>585300749Broly. Super Broly is written by Toriyama no?>>585300551Have you considered that Master Roshi never retired, and Krillin does have the potential to surpass base Goku and he retired for no reason?
>>585301018fucked up how Gohan explicitly did not get a Zenkai from Dende healing him
>>585301730I don't think super broly implies anything different from minus in terms of why bardock sent off goku
>>585301018Piccolo didn't stand a chance against the suppressed first form Frieza Nail knows about, and then Piccolo is beating 2nd Form Frieza in his training clothes.>weaker than Super SayianPiccolo beats 20 with far more ease than Goku or Vegeta showed against 19. Vegeta lasts quite long against 18, and I know 18 is weaker than 17 but you think he could one shot her? I think trying to rush past an opponent on your level or above consistently gets you shredded, way worse than if you were paying attention to them.
>>585301730>Broly.The only thing Broly adapted out is Bardock happily killing some aliens at the beginning, but everything else that Minus had, Broly kept. Including Gine happily talking about Raditz going on missions.
>>585302571>Piccolo beats 20 with far more ease than Goku or Vegeta showed against 19Vegeta was explicitly dicking around(or doing a GENIUS move, if you ask piccolo), tbf. He takes a punch from 19 and is completely fine.
>>585302858>He takes a punch from 19 and is completely fine.He bleeds, 19 did more damage to Vegeta than Jiren.
