Blizzard’s new version of World of Warcraft, based on its original 2004 release. Currently in beta, it will feature more than 1,000 new quests, nine new dungeons, new race/class combinations including Undead Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, and more. Level 60 will remain the maximum level cap forever.>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696>Talent Calculatorhttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app>DatesName reservations on October 27.The journey begins on November 4.>Upcoming /wowfg/ NA Guilds<Clover Club> RP-PvP Alliance | https://discord.gg/ZQ2Wkkqbc<FUN HAVERS> PvE Alliance | https://discord.gg/fAmJnY5w<Remigration> PvP Horde | https://discord.gg/K9QEFCzxf>Upcoming /wowfg/ EU Guilds<Wrench> PvE Horde | https://discord.gg/pMkz4EmVB<Niflheim> RP-PvP Alliance | Discordless>Previous >>585487301
What are your thoughts on a last name being Sigma or Sigmas?
Trans rights are human rightsTrans women are womenTrans men are men
The Game
>>585513707are last names even important?
>>585513525clover club discord link is down, new one<Clover Club> RP-PvP Alliance | https://discord.gg/ZQ2uWkkqbc
what race+combo should I pick so my team know I'm a caged and plugged sissy without having to tell them?
>>585513707underage b&
>>585513793orc priest
>>585513793holy priest, resto druid, prot warrior
>>585513793Resto Shaman, or Holy Paladin.
>>585513707It's kinda funny so I don't mind
Me that not that kind of orc
>>585493889The damage based rage was overflowing with world buffs, topping your rage bar with only offhand swings.Now you're barely able to use MS/BT on 6sec cd baseline. So you need the extra attacks - which you can also get from ability uses, being a compounding factor way more than 20%.
>>585513716absolutely based and redpilled
>>585513793its resto druid and its not even close, any race works though I think skelves would be best
>>585513937you ARE that kind of orc
How in Big 2026 has there not been a single MMO that controls as smooth and has as good of netcode as WoW?Even jumping in WoW feels better than any other MMO. Even action MMOs feel clunkier than WoW. In WoW if you jump and then spin 1080 degrees every single person around you (assuming they aren't lagging) will see your entire spin in another MMO your server side position doesn't even update until you land and half the time it looks like your character is running in place for a second after landing. No other MMO feels this smooth and it's insane.
wowg is thriving
>>585513793anything besides female human holy paladin is wrongit's literally the pink classdruids are orange (neutral) and can turn into ferocious bears (scary)shamans are dark blue (male color)priest is also acceptable but pink is more feminine than white
this will be the last thing ur stupid gay little gnome sees before my warlock unit rapes u... feel scared yet kid..?/ my hero is the strongest there is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c4KOAovT78Would you play Hardcore Forever like this?
>>585514274true sis!
>>585514165thats great.......
>>585514274horde has the pink class and neutral blue tranniesit's overyou wear the dress, that covers your axe wound
Do I level up tailoring/enchanting or do I go mining/engineering until 60 then switch mining out for enchanting
What game are we playing while we wait?
>>585514274as a biological female it would fit perfectly, indeed
>>585514617CoA Reborn
>>585514617I'm alternating between Azeroth Survivors, Enshrouded, and Runescape Dragonwilds
>>585514443as retarded as this is, it does look kinda cool, not that I would ever play this way though
I will play a dwarf hunter with that mountain trooper armor and ride that cool ass bear.Thoughts?
>>585514752Go for it mountain king
>>585514752>playing as a literal walking dollar sign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM8I3PISK5oaion 2 WONwow: retail minus LOSTwow: turtlewow was better LOSTwow: SoD 2 LOSTwow: streamers can rmt freely LOSTwow: no jiggle edition LOST
I think all combat racials should be deleted from the game and we should just get flavor racials like plainsrunning and the herbalism thing tauren get.
>>585514617deadlock
>>585515041aion was great fun in 2009 with flying wpvp in the abyss and wpvp when rifting. I was also 12I have no idea what it turned into though
>>585514165nah you're just used to your favorite game that's allthrone and liberty was a fine game with bad lategame but all wowheads kept babbling about muh clunkyness
>>585514986You're jelly because you ain't him. You wish you could be so blissfully retarded because you know, you just know he's gonna have a great time.
>>585515041listen i know were hear for the memes and all but that game died faster than lost ark.these kmmos are dying faster and faster.at this point you'd think one of those companies would just turn off the p2w shit and hope they can make the money back on skin sells.
>>585514752
>>585514443based. looks like daggerfall
What will you guys be buying to stock up on gamer fuel for launch week?
>>585515041>Best character creation >Most boring game ever madeWhat did South Koreans mean by this?
>>585514575mining/skinning and then drop skinning at 60 for engi, this is meta for every class
>>585515247the game still holds daily 300k online 4 weeks after launch so you have no idea what u're talking about
i cannot imagine being enough of a brainlet to ever take a korean MMO seriously. they are designed from day 1 with the intent of FOMOing you to spend your money. you're better off going to a slot machine at a casino, even if you lose you get free drinks
>>585515378They've all got cocks so it's balanced
>>585515428I will enjoy making leather gear from materials I skinned myselfif I don't have mount money by 39 I will grind beasts the whole level and be fine
>HOW DARE YOU CHALLENGE BLIZZARD TO MAKE COHERENT AND UNIQUE RACIALS, THAT'S NOT THE RETAIL WAY
>>585515465buddy we aren't going to do the "THERE'S NO BOTS HERE!" thing.the game is full of them and worse than lost ark.suck my peen.
Why is the azeroth survivors download so fucking slow? 20kb/s????? Just host this shit on gofile ffs
>>585515475> they are designed from day 1 with the intent of FOMOing you to spend your money.There’s irony here
>>585515475Nobody plays this shit in the West so I don't know who you are even mad at.
>>585515624bots dont use steam retard, they use the standalone launcher so u can log more of them
>>585515475The gaming community of 4chan has been overtaken by subhuman retards who basically only enjoy gacha garbage. They don't want to actually be forced to play a game they hate gameplay and every game has to have korean dolls as their basis for character design with huge bouncing tits and ass.
>>585515248https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59GVr-Arjcs#t=3m9s
>>585515667Yeah you'll have to play it in browser I also gave up on it
>>585515715jeet promoter or mentally retarded?
>>585515667the game is just as slow as the download, not fun at all basically a walking simulator while your character auto-casts everything. but if you really are this much of a newfag, there's a mirror in their discord with a better speed
>>585514443looks cool honestly
>>585515335Gonna raid my nearest aldi for some 30¢ energy drinks and instant coffee. I'll get these kidneys working overtime.
>>585515428rip bag space
>>585515224Nope, WoW is objectively the most responsive MMO bar none. I've played ffxi, ffxiv, gw1/2, rift, aion1/2, throne, bless, bdo, ddo, wildstar, eso, swtor, archeage, ashes, lost ark, and a few indies. All of them felt worse to play. Some better than others, but none of them felt as snappy, smooth, and non-laggy as WoW and I didn't start WoW until MoP and was surprised playing pservers and Classic that even the 2004 game feels as good.
>>585515868>dude it's just vampire survivors wtf?Anon, you may be retarded.
Why didn't Blizzard expand any of the original zone towns like the private servers loved to do?e.g. no expanded goldshire/razor hill etc.
>>585516193they might. they’re not stopping development when the game launches
>>585515475Maplestory is based though
>>585515475nigger you literally play blizzard slop, you can't point fingers, wow is a shit game, retail is shit, sod was shit, classic is shit and forever will be shit too
>>585515428I like to drop bombs on people in world pvp before 60
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS GENERAL
>>585514829Thank you adventurer. I will RP walk along the mountain path and make sure everything's safe.
>>585516193Lazy fucks that couldn't even be bothered stealing the content from the pservers they nuked. Imagine if we got Goldshire and Razor Hill from Epoch + their deadmines and wailing caverns. Would have been awesome and then the devs could have gotten inspired and ideas for other towns/dungeons as well.
>>585516193How about I expand my starting zone horizontally in your mouf in a progressive motion?
>>585514720i didn’t know this was live yet. we are so back bros.
>>585514617Skyrim. Unmodded.
>>585515224Not him but you’re just wrong here. Stop assuming everyone who praises wow is some die hard.Im a new player and wow genuinely controls that much better than other mmos
>>585514165A team of white men coded it back in early 2000's. Every other MMO outsourced their shit to pajeets and now AI
>>585516635a face & lips born to milk my undead dry every single morning and night
>>585515979perks of being a straight up translation from RTS combat into a MMO sandbox, every micro-input is criticalthe engine is completely wasted on nuBlizzard, i hope we get some reverse engineering done in the future
I want to go Alchemy/Enchanting but Engi is too strong.
>>585516635I didn't know they let you marry dogs in azeroth
>>585513793Male night elf resto druid
john blizzard and six seven linked up
>>585517002can't you send stuff from your engineer charactor?
>>585517002we dont know what all the new recipes are going to be, and for that matter without premade is engineering really even going to be needed? are you going to be the one guy in your group using consumes?
Every Fagever player combined wouldnt be able to get a Retail Chad below 99%, meanwhile each ability from the Retail Chad would fell hundreds of Fagever players!
>>585514617wc3I'm currently at the burning boats part
>>585517002>You can make potions and stat boosts for your friends :DDD>Or you can plant mines, create rocket boots... >make an exploding sheep>create a harvest golem and watch enemy players freak out as you sic a literal robot on them from your asshole>Oh, your class doesn't have an inherent ranged ability? Here you go, you can throw fucking grenades that stun people for 3 secondsit really isn't fair
>>585517186the dopamine hit from the rocket-helmet into the perfect kill cannot be topped
>>585514617ZZZ
Thoughts on this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYKDyXnJl5E
>>585516635is this a diff artist making assumi shit? something's off, the google search also shows diff videos
>>585514617
>>5855144431000% I love retro pixelsloppa and survival elements in games.
>>585514165wow's netcode is honestly insane, I have no idea how an mmo built on top of wc3 managed it but maybe it's somehow a result of thatthen you go play XIV and as soon as you have >50ms ping you have to use external tools to fix the netcode for it to even be playable
I'm genuinely stumped on what to do for professions.I did mining/herb when the beta first came out and I barely found anything because of layering and the sheer population density around me.
>>585517568I feel like the gathering to 60 meta is a trap because of how much competition you haveIt might genuinely be better to just take crafting profs and buy materials off the oversaturated AH
>Spending 7 points and sacrificing the ability to not have your drain spells interrupted for a 4% chance for an instant shadowbolt to crit so you deal 20% more shadow damage>instead of using wrack for 10% bonus shadow damage and making it so it has 70% pushback resistance i dont get it
>Passively regenerates hp in your path>Traps you and heals to full hp
>>585513793Night elf warrior, born to serve the rest of the party/guild. Built to make other people feel good. Just wants to help, but can never seem to find release.
you can make gold without proffs
>>585517787That shit is so busted
>>585517356alchemists can throw potions
>>585517168I think you still need to be goblin engi to use sappers
>>585517568The red pill is primary professions are still a meme to do while leveling and you should instead wait til 60 to care about them
>>585517820Slut
Final Fantasy 14 won .... they fucking won....
Have YOU locked in your #ForeverMeals yet? Don't tell me you're going to waste precious time on launch day securing your protein???
>>585517820Duh. Professions are a meme. I never pick up any. It’s just fucking annoying and you outpace even secondary professions while leveling
>>585517931can't everyone use those?
>>585517931Dear god
>>585513707As a certified and UNIRONICAL sigma male, I approve.
>>585517002How do people afford things like Alchemy without the gathering prof?
>>585517787Troll regen looks absolutely insane on warrior. Almost makes me want to make a troll warrior just to try it out myself. Go fury and get bloodrcraze and goredrinker as a troll warrior and you'll be a soloing machine and a menace in pvp.
braphogs, all of you
>>585517356They added new throwable damaging potions
>>585514165It still amazes me that other games don't copy wow's camera controls. I don't want any bullshit. I want to be able to zoom and rotate the camera freely and smoothly, and turn off any autocorrection. I want to be able to move in any way I like without the camera doing some bullshit.
>>585518262Isn’t there vamp gear and enchants you can get too
forever friends
>>585518018>put no anti-cheat in your game>barely anyone cares>they just turn it into second life 2.0 insteadwolo could never
>>585518242kill mobs to make gold, buy herbs from AH
>>585517787If you trapped a troll girl and beat her up and had sex with her would she regenerate after each time? Like how fast is troll regeneration in lore? Just asking questions.
>>585518262There are some beta clips of troll warrior being able to stand afk while a lvl 32 mob fails to dps past their regen
I hope when we see Illidan's cell in barrow deeps it's just a completely normal cell but the bikini painting is on the wall and instead of a human it's tyrande
>>585518528Legless armless tuskless troll onahole
>>585518528>he hasnt heard the troll female /flirt that got removed
>>585518401I think so i remember seeing some sort of enchant that gives nice self healing.
>>585518576I need to see this. What is the troll racial even? I know about the active which is like a free bandage, but what is so good about their passive?
>>585518401>>585518708https://www.wowhead.com/forever/item=249480/formula-enchant-weapon-recovery
RESTO SHAMAN STATUS????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>585518609also give hunters the enchanted flare from SoD and have it function as a black light
>>585518756It's like 30% of their out of combat health regen is active during combat. As a warrior with some spirit on your gear this can translate to a lot of passive health regen in combat.
>>585514617I bought Digimon Time Stranger so I'm gonna play that.
>>585518708Quick I need a vamp troll warrior build
>>585518756https://www.wowhead.com/forever/spell=20555/regenerationIt just increases your passive spirit hp regen and lets some of it keep going while in combat. But they buffed it up from 10 to 20% in the racial patch which is the strongest this racial has ever been in any version of the game. You can put on a few more regen or spirit buffs and trolls can heal through a surprising amount of damage passively.
>>585517568I am going alchemy so I can give potions to people at campfires. It will be my ice breaker to find friends, maybe they will recognise me after a while and give me a nickname like potion guy, and be happy to see me because I give them treats.
>>585518262Same I don't play horde but it's really alluring
>>585519129me except giving cooked food with bonuses
>>585518242You have a single character made just for gathering
>>585516367see u in nov
>>585518528They never stop regenerating unless you burn them or use magic.Troll girl could turn the tables on her captor, cut off his (long, thick) cock, and within 24 hours he would be refreshed and ready to rape again.>>585518756Trolls can actually continue to heal from eating even in combat, but at a reduced rate, if you get put in combat while eating and drinking.It also got buffed. Used to be 10% for both, now +20% hp rege - not just base regen, and 20% of that continues during combat at all times. Actually becomes rather noticeable if you have some +hp5 gear, since the racial double dips into that stat, or even a low amount of +spirit which would otherwise be useless.
>>585519129We got Mark the Mint Man over here. Pete the Potion Pal.
>>585517186sure, you can spam bgs without grenades if you wantmeanwhile I will be using grenades, thank you
>>585518821>heal 5% of your hp when someone dodges or parries your attack, only 10 sec ICDThat's the one. Absolutely bonkers looking enchant for pvp and soloing.>>585519163Yeah exactly my issue, i'm an alliance main and with no weapon racials i always imagined myself making a tauren warrior if i were to be horde. Holy fuck does troll warrior seem so alluring in forever though.
I'm still actively confused by their statement of Rogues being the best ST dps because I'm looking at everything in their kit and unless they give us some REALLY busted shit down the line, I'm just not seeing it. People smarter than me have cruched the numbers and don't understand how this goal can be reached with the current state Rogues are in. Of all the changes Forever made, Rogues were barely touched by comparison.
>>585519746it was a lie to comfort rogue players
>>585519746Rogue doesn’t belong in classic and should be removed
>>585519746they could simply increase some numbers slightly in a patchis that within your comprehension?or, they just might notwho knows what they will do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGNZdClu1Us
>>585519924hat indoors
>>585518242You buy herbs from the AH. Hope this helps!
>>585519915I think it would take a lot more than some simple tweaking. I'm not saying do something crazy like give Combat their pirate diceroll kit from Legion but...what we have, this is aint chief.
>>585519746I send aggrend swolebenji videos and tell him current rogue I’m forever is too strong
>>585518869Still good.
What should I play if I'm the first second generation Blizzard employee?
>>585520147why? just increase the numbers, it's not complicatedmake shadow strike do more damage, or whateveryou act like they would need to invent a new field of mathematics lmfao
>>585519746Sims mean nothing right now. Just like with every new version or expansion launch they wait til last minute to do tuning for lvl 60 damage.
>>585520148>swolebenjiplease tell me this kid is dead
>>585520269mage
>>585519538Troll warriors are great.Some gear looks odd on them so you'll probably have to get used to hiding most closed face helms. They look better than you might think in mail and plate though. Really nice animations too.I tried one on the beta and it was a blast. Very low downtime from passive regen and their channeled 50% heal racial spell. Can set up an int shout fear -> racial heal, and don't have to worry about WoTF on opponents while playing a Troll. Both orc and tauren are strong warrior contenders too however, but people sleep on the regen racial and its better than ever + the active 50% channeled heal.
>>585520316He’s likely older than you and he is still very alive
>>585520316you know that guy is a schizo 4channer right? he played throne and liberty when the game launched and posted of the general
>>585520270No you would have to do something like majorly up how much poisons scale with AP, but I know they don't want to make Combat completely unviable.Also, our capstone talents FUCKING SUCK. Why on god's green earth would I even want Venom over Envenom?
>>585520489no, they could just increase the damage on some of the existing abilitiesdo you understand how numbers work?if you increase them, then they will be bigger
>>585520589>they could just increase the damageBy what, fucking 175%? I mean yeah it would be awesome if Mutiliate did triple weapon damage with both weapons but I don't see it happening.
>>585520489>our capstone talents FUCKING SUCKThey already said the sub capstone was getting replaced with Deathmark but apparently they didn't get time to do that in beta?
>11 more days of my gay life without wow forever
>>585513525i figured out the perfect meta for a dual gathering alt (mining/herb) on pvp. Fuck druids, fuck rogues, fuck shamans, play Paladin.>15% movement speed passive including on mounts>plate armor, tanky af>spec into full tank>pick up eye for an eye (makes it so crits return damage to the one hitting you)>the moment you get ganked you just shield up and walk awayNothing more frustrating than wasting your time on a target that wont die when you want to go gather. The more they hit you the more they take damage. They might try it a few times and then give up while you carry on to the next node.Not to mention Paladins got a 6 second stun in case you aggro mobs.
To the anon in the previous thread who was debating between pally and druid based on giving people buffs: reminder from beta that Thorns was modified to be dynamic based on distance, so while you are near the Thorns-buffed friendly, it has full potency, but as the distance between you two grows, Thorns settles down to its base value. Just so you are aware when making your decision.
never played wow but i got the new sky elf thing and will try thisbeen a while since i tried a new game, probably will go hunter
Swiftybros...... what happened......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQu9C331zZw
Class/race/professions if I want to be a massive Jew in game? We need goblins desperately
>>585520785by whatever amount is necessarybut I would recommend not doing it all on one ability, that would be retarded (obviously)you spread it out over various abilitiesyou can also add some extra damage on talentsit's not fucking rocket science5% here10% there20% over herewhatever it takes to get the number you wantit's really not fucking complicated at all
Why can’t they make the game slower Make the level cap 50 while also boosting mob difficulty higher and boosting xp needed to level
Is your battle station ready to go?
>>585519746People have played on 1.12 for so long that I think players are starting to forget that classes were massively overhauled constantly over vanilla's lifecycle before settling on the 1.12 balance the game is known for today. The current state of classes tells us nothing and should be assumed to not even remotely resemble what they'll look like 2 years from now.
>>585513525are there really niggas out there who are retarded enough to pay for this ai shit?
>>585520924
It seems to me that what will ultimately play a cruel joke on WoW: Forever is this desire to please everyone at once. Character models? Take your pick: SD or HD. Transmogrification? Turn it on, turn it off. Ruleset? Let’s add RP-PvP, maybe someone wants to play there. High Elves? Let’s add the most popular character model from the retail version to both factions so no one feels left out.
>>585520942Alternatively just give rogues HAT. It kinda fixes everything.
>>585521309yes nigga
>>585521430what a bunch of faggotsi hope they die
>>585521375I’ve honestly sways hated when games have options. Every modern game has so many options it’s crazy. I wish we had devs with conviction that are willing to take a hard stand on the experience they offer
>>585521418idk what that isyou don't seem to understand how numbers work, unfortunately....it doesn't really matter what the mechanic iswhat matters is the numbers
>>585520870thats so retarded it could work but do i want to be the basic bitch dad gamer class...
>Azeroth Survivor literally more fun than Classic, Forever, and retoiletI didn't think it could be more over but here we are. Can't wait for the takedown from Blizzshart but it's too late now. The damage is done. Just quit now. Just quit, apply for gibs, take your meds, and stay home blizztrannies.
>>585521594>Every modern game has so many options it’s crazy.Because nobody makes games for consoles anymore so there's no set defined hardware you're programming around.>>585521662Nta but HAT = Honor Among Thieves, it's a Wrath talent that makes it so whenever anyone in your party/raid crits with a damaging ability or heal, you get a combo point.
>>585520924I think he must be a retard who can't figure out how to economize his life, or he's paying 2 alimonies or somethingHow do you have 600k youtube subs and have to doordash to pay the bils
>>585513734wtf bro, not cool
Gnome bvlls raise your hands up
>>585521309Proof of AI?
>>585521375And yet they didn't even add an option to keep the jiggle physics.
>>585521758What if hes doing it for the love of the game?
>>585521757sounds like funof course, it all comes down to the numbers (in terms of balancing sustained dps)
Since it's a megaserver how awful do you think AH prices will get?
>streamers can freely rmt with no consequence>streamer is going to rmt and kill you in game with his rmted gear and make a video and you'll look bad online>no dungeon quest exp>tiny +20% dungeon mob exp>no new classes>bad balance classes>players right beside you mass disappear into ghost realm (another layer)>you will click another player in pvp and he will disappear into ghost realm immediately>russian hackers will spawn from the ghost realm right when you attack a mob and kill you instantly>insane new gear power creep>shitty old gear>all leveling through quests>zero social aspects>unbalanced pvp>rogues top 1 dps because yes>all hybrids suck because hybrids>all twitch channels blatantly viewbotted>massive reddit post a sunset and get 3000 likes psyop>ugly new elf race>new elf race breaks lore>low effort elf race for both factions because it's cheaper>everyone still needs to be an engineer>endgame is still raidlog>speedrunning to 60 in 2 weeks and then raidlogging is still how the game is meant to be played>insane balance changes every single week by the SC2 balance team that make absolutely no sense but disappoint everyone>dev doesn't play the game and thinks troll has strong racials>dev doesn't play the game and doesn't realize night elf racials are overpowered>dev doesn't play the game and doesn't think>main dev literally said in a podcast he is going to make rogue the best class in the game because he wants to>biggest streamer is a nazi>biggest streamer killed his own mother>you can't disable the fog anymoreyep, they gave up on wow fogever
>>585521993>*parts your hairs and dives into you’re megabussy*
>>585521993awful high? awful low?i dont think it will be that bad
>>585522017>dude i shouldn't have to do anything or go anywhere and just sit in scarlet monastery for 90% of my leveling journey XDdungeonniggers need the rope
>>585522017don't forget the latest one on the list:>stream can freely play illegal vibe coded version of the game on-stream in front of 40k people directly brigading their audience into participating in IP theft and piracy of Blizzard's gameLiterally BlizzKEKS :D
>*audible sniffing* mhh... something smells fishyFisherman class when?
i dont want to interact with streamers or their followersi dont want to hear about streamers or their followers
can't wait to roll Bard when they get added
wtf happened to rogues
>>585521993It won't get too bad because that trading company is going to straight up sell the ultra rare mats that would inflate economies.
>>585522273>say that rogues will be the pve class with the highest damage>they actually have the lowest damage and have nothing else going for them
how is this a "Lordaeron" tabard, Blizzard?
>>585520870The best gathering race/class is tauren druid. It has always been tauren druid. In every version of the game it has been tauren druid. Every single gathering bot is a tauren druid. In forever they let tauren duplicate black lotus to ensure tauren druid stays the best gatherer.
>>585522215Nobody forces you to play on NA
>>585522180I wouldn't mind if they did it not as a full class but like a sub-class tacked onto your character like if you had the fishing pole artifact in Legion.
Do you think they'll reveal anything else before launch?
>>585522385Good. Roguejeets haven't suffered enough.
>>585522385In what, the lvl 30 beta, or sims about an unreleased game that will almost certainly have a launch patch?
>>585522168Why are you acting like you actually care about that
>>585522273>pve ruleset on the betaI don't think you could find more useless data if you tried
>>585519746>People smarter than me have cruched the numbers and don't understand how this goal can be reachedThose people must be complete midwits then, they can tweak that shit by swapping two numbers
>>585522491You don't need a fucking sim to tell you rogue is currently dogshit
>>585522564For people playing pve it is
>>585522453Infinite leveling
>>585522491You can in fact extrapolate based on what we already have when you can actually see ability ranks on the class trainer
>>585522491>testable level 30 damage was shit>sims are also shit>don't worry goy it'll get better i swear
>>585522564That's a launch intentions survey retardbro
>>585522515I think you should instead be asking yourself why you're this retarded. If you don't see the broad implications of this then you are just not living in reality and should just tone-police yourself tf out. :D
>>585522273at least it's not retail rogue
>>585521783proof of you having a brain and working eyes?
>>585522659>>585522763>>585522771What if the numbers change in the inevitable patch?
how to find a personal healer like this? https://litter.catbox.moe/8gffnw.png
>>585522704Fuck yeah, let's go full disgaea, lets get retarded numbers even Legion didn't reach>lfm MC level 12,000 or more only, need at least 133m dps
>>585522771I mean he's right though. Are you a retard? They could buff sinister strike damage tomorrow and everything you just said means literally nothing. It's just that simple and easy.
>>585522425shit i forgot about the tauren racial you are right. i did consider making a shaman my gatherer, but tanking everything with a paladin would be hilarious.Also my main is gonna be druid and my main needs to have engineering, so I was specifically looking for alternatives.t. restro healslut
>>585519746combat is going to get its wrath kit and they'll jack the numbers upI have no faith in them being able to balance assa or sub without destroying pvp
>>585522829Its just a silly little minigame people will play for like 20 minutes then forget. Its not competing with WoW at all like a pserver would. Nobody actually cares about copyright infringement when it wont affect profit except Nintendo.
>>585522848Im not arguing with you I really do just want to see where they used AI
>>585519746I'm going to ignore all horse discussion and ask why the horse bit him
>>585522273"BRO WE DON'T WANT COMPLEX ROTATIONS WE WANT ONLY ONE BUTTON TO PUSH!" is the biggest fucking lie and trap anyone told Blizzard. The most popular DPS class in Classic has always been Fury Warrior because you get to use a lot of cool abilities and pump out good DPS.Imagine rolling on a server where all you do is PVE content and Rogues literally only use 2 moves in PVE. Who the fuck is going to play such a god damn boring class?The 5 man content isn't even difficult enough for Rogues to have to sap shit so your entire game plan is just mashing sinister striker or backstab over and over and that's it.
>>585522963there's a reason why there's no ranked pvp, they ain't balancing with pvp in mind
>>585517476That is AI slop
>>585522927I swear to god people don't understand how numbers work...Of course blizzard is fully capable of fucking up the numbers. But it's foolish to think you can predict in what way they will be fucked up on release.
>>585523013The broad implications are that one person vibe-coded something for a few tokens that plays in a browser that took thousands of people and millions of dollars to make over many years, you mental midget. lmaoWhat is it with people who don't understand that EVERYTHING they see AI create is always "the worst it's ever going to be"?????????
>>585522861Backstab rogue has an APM of like 15, bigger numbers won't change the fact that the class puts people to sleepKick is the only reactive ability they have in PVE, everything else is just builder spam into slice&dice then repeat
>>585523115>The most popular DPS class in Classic has always been Fury Warrior because you get to use a lot of cool abilities and pump out good DPS.So it has nothing to do with them being by far the highest DPS in the game? Sweaties just play fury because it's fun? LMFAOOOOO YOU FAGGOTS ARE SO RETARDED LISTEN TO YOURSELF NIGGER
>>585523205They literally said they intend to balance Rogue around being top single target dps. If they arent immediately top dps at level 60 the devs will buff them within a week.
>>585522906That would be so kino. Finally a reason to grind
>>585523049everywhere nigga the entire picturethe rendering alone should clue you inignoring the fingers that are too short the pauldrons not being symmetricalnot having the same amount of bolts on the trim of pauldrons etc.oh and this of course you fucking retarded goycattle
>>585523261Do you think you can seriously make a game by vaguely bringing up some AI and saying "Hey AI, make me this exact video game." ? Its not remotely that simple. This thing took months to make.
>>585523290We're talking about DPS, not fun. Are you illiterate?>>585523339I hope that's correct.
my friends want to go rppvp but i want to go pvp what do
why didn't they just give a taunt spell to paladins instead of adding taunt to judgement making the ability bloated and clunky to use?
>>585523523Get better friends
>>585523261Yeah and? Blizzard themselves are soon going to be using AI to crank out quests, dungeons and zones. And it'll be great. AI is a tool, but it still requires professionals using the tool to make a good product.
>>585523523kill your friends and your family and thyself, that will fix the situation
>>585523115>"BRO WE DON'T WANT COMPLEX ROTATIONS WE WANT ONLY ONE BUTTON TO PUSH!" is the biggest fucking lie and trap anyone told BlizzardWrong.>The most popular DPS class in Classic has always been Fury Warrior because you get to use a lot of cool abilities and pump out good DPS.Wrong.>Who the fuck is going to play such a god damn boring class?Wrong.>The 5 man content isn't even difficult enough for Rogues to have to sap shit so your entire game plan is just mashing sinister striker or backstab over and over and that's it.Well you said one true statement i guess.
>>585523498The original topic was about play rates. Fun is the most important factor for most people. Do you suffer from memory loss?
>>585523443What picture dude? I seriously don’t know what you’re talking about
>>585523063Evil horse
give me your best gnomes
>>585523754
>>585523483Yes and yes it is. You're still doing it. You're ignoring and forgetting the fact this line has been uttered, the goalpost moved, and the line rewritten and reuttered at every single step of the way as AI has been improving the last 5 years. Aren't dumbfucks tired of doing this by now? >it'll never create text!>moves the goalpost>it'll never create images!>moves the goalpost>it'll never create video!>moves the goalpost>it'll never learn to code!>moves the goalpostAre you a democrat voter who cannot into pattern recognition? lmao. fucking idiot.
>>585523412>Aggrend puts on Kamina sunglasses at next podcast>"Fuck horizontal progression, we're going so vertical we're piercing the heavens!"
>>585521128i remember seeing this picture almost 20 years ago
>>585523795>>585523834ew toilet models
all they had to do was literally copypaste wrath talent trees and spells
>>585523587yeah blizzard will create one vibe-coded product via committee over months and months meanwhile millions of people worldwide will create millions of clones and blizzard ends up drowning in the noise. hello? hello? wakie wakie. is there anything inside that head of yours??? are you not able to think 1 or 2 steps forward???
>>585523927>Just let people steamroll content, thats classic right?
>>585523896Retail gnomes look good with exactly ONE face and it's the one they use for Chromie. It fails for any other instance.
>>585523670If you read the thread of posts you're replying to, the discussion very clearly narrowed down to being entirely about DPS for a considerable number of posts, my good retard. Your comment was completely irrelevant, hence my derision. Please don't bother replying. I hate you and I think you're a retarded faggot.
is blud expecting raid bosses that take 100 wipes to kill?
>>585523964A random person will never make an actual good video game purely using AI. AI is not just some magic program an idea guy can type in some requests and it churn out a complete game. Its not that simple.
>>585522273they legitimately need more rogue-ish utility. sap and crippling poison are not close to enough.
>>585523927SoD tried that and it made the game way too easy. It was a fun experiment but like the class design dev said, maybe not the best idea to let the players eat all the candy they want because we'll give ourselves tummyaches.
>>585523896nigga thinks retail gnomes has ass and hair like this>>585523795
>>585523063Doto is a silly ojisan.
>>585523927You people somehow have worse ideas than blizzard Is it even possible to convince brain dead millennials and Xers that wrath was a bad expansion or are their brains just mush
>>585524136This is what the mind of a room temp normie is really like, sisters and sisters.We have to take their right to vote away. They are outdated and obsolete. They've been intellectually priced out of society.
>>585523927this is the worst idea i've read on /wowfg/ in its entire existence
>>585524218just because you got filtered by ulduar does not mean wrath was a bad expansion
>>585516968Most RTS feel like shit to play online though, they use lockstep protocolThe real reason wow feels responsive is because blizz sniped John Cash from id software to program the netcode
Rumour has it that payo is attempting to hack saw his way out of his cage
>>585523927Yeah Cata and everything after just happened in a vacuum where they decided to change everything up for no reason and not because Wrath was bloated spellbook trash.
>>585524269retard copeai slop will never be goodusing it for some coding is finebut you'd better know exactly what you want or it's gonna be slop
Will there be DLSS5 support in forever?
>>585524136well technically it kind of isbut AI is really good at exposing which idea guys aren't really good at being idea guys (it's most of them, being a good idea guy is harder than coding)
>namedropping randoms like we're just supposed to know who they are
>>585524029Whatever makes you happy ESLbro
>>585524218Much like MoP, Wrath wasn't a mechanically bad expansion, it was just bad from a story perspective. Also, without the Armor Penetration stat we wouldn't be anywhere near as overpowered as we were in Wrath.
>>585524393copeseethedialateropeyou're outdated. you've been left behind. it's over for normalgoys.
>>585524470so true, bring the player not the class!
>>585524454Sorry, I should've dumbed down my English since I'm clearly talking to a Burgeroid.
Femtroll or femsaken priest?
>>585524350oh so NOW cata is good huh?
>>585524393I just don’t understand how people can unironically want this. It has to be a death cult. Life simply stops being worth living when that stuff takes off
>>585524521>he says, after the 50 millionth post in this general on THESE NEW CHANGES SUCK NO ONE WILL EVER BRING MY CLASS TO THE RAID NOW
Will Horde still be the PVP race? Or do the race changes balance out?
is blizzard going to fix rogues or just let them be the worst class in the game that nobody will take to a raid?
>>585524659no lolthey've been shit in retail for like 10+ years what makes you think they won't be shit here too? they don't know what to do with the class
>>585524626we need to change the game to appease whiny FAGGOTS in the wow forever general
>>585523795ZAMN
my class and spec played great in cata AND mop, why can't we have that instead of this vanilla Frankenstein monster with wrath spells on top?
>>585517803What the fuck I wanted to play fem nelf war but now I am going to abort it
>>585524853anything past tbc is uncapped target aoe spam slop
>>585524614I think it appeals to retards because they think it will equalise everyone. Really we will all end up swimming in a pool of slop, at least for a while. Imo it will die down eventually though. It will still be useful but people are delusional in their expectations. There will be less slop games in a few years because it's simply not profitable or fulfilling.
>>585524614>Life is worse when a person can press a button and get whatever media they want created for them and tailored to their interestsLike I get that we still want to promote human creativity but thats not gonna go away because of AI existing
>>585513525>ultra basic sloppa looking straight out of 2024 with default gloss style>patreon + watermarkevery timedo coomers actually pay for this bullshit?
>>585524853I don't know how many times I have to say it but MoP was the pinnacle of class homogenization. Every class in some way had>an interrupt/silence>a stun at around the same CD>either a gap closer or something that brought enemies to you>an "oh shit" button that does damage mitigation>some way of building a secondary resource and then cashing it out for more dmg or healing>SOMETHING that you summon in some fashionThey all effectively played the same, this is what people are asking for when they say they want that.
pov: I'm using my gnomish-engineered fighter jet (310% speed flight for 2 minutes every 30m) to drop unlimited white-arcanite mana bombs (burns the target for 800 damage every second, stacks up to 3 times) on you in tanaris
Characters and classes should each have an opening song
>>585524659If the devs explicitly stated they intend for rogues to be top single target dps then one can assume they will buff rogues until they meet the criteria.
>>585524853classic shitters can't handle anything more than maintaining 2 buffs/dots and pressing filler
We need Legion Classic, asap
>>585525025>Are goyim cattle?Yes.
>>585525015It’s just not worth being alive when it handles all the cool jobs and all the creative media stuff. Like what am I supposed to look forward to?
>2004+22>"roleplaying game">still no roleplaying abilities like this????
>>585525163Too bad because they are delaying WoD classic until Forever loses steam and we'll still have to trudge through that shit xpac before we get to Legion.
>>585525123>it's all a gaslight to get people to roll rogues only to pull pic related on us when we hit 60 and do subpar damage
>>585525195None of you here probably have these 'cool jobs' you're complaining about going extinct.
>>585521128>Raye suxWhat or who is Raye
>>585524853Just play retail if you want engaging combat ... oh wait that shit is dead KEK
>>585525287he's not talking about having the job, retardhe's talking about not wanting to play slop
>>585525192maybe I should skim some bucks then and open a patreon
The whole point was to have machines do repetitive manual labor that nobody wanted to do. Not have the machines create art while the humans act like serfs to maintain digital overlords.
>>585524659either there will be balance changes on release or they're just completely clueless
>>585525287Ok. Doesn’t change anything regardless. I wanted to be a mathematician.
>>585525367You can barely even tell what is AI slop and what isnt anymore outside of those shitty early era artworks. In 5 years the average person will absolutely not be able to tell human made from AI if it keeps improving at this pace unimpeded.
>>585517787But what if I dont like how the troll models look how they ride a skeletal horse?
>>585525504if it was good it wouldn't be a problembut....
There are no more balance changes until AT LEAST the first reset of the raids happen. Which means the fat faced slob could nerf your class to the shitter and all your leveling and professions and prebis grinding time would be a waste
>>585525504Yeah and that’s a bad thing to be honest. It kills the fun in life for me. I don’t care if well perfect personalized video games. I’ll never be able to discuss them with anyone and I won’t have time to play them because I’ll be starving in the street or working minimum wage. Like come on. There will never be UBI so that’s the end result of this road.
Chances that prot (warrior) will be at least viable in pvp?
>>585525145You can go play retail. Its ok. Yes we will judge you.
>pvp ruleset is still faction-lockedfucking why?I want to make both alliance and horde characters there
>>585525756they're even removing shit like seal twisting and slam
>>585525776faction balance
>>585525776The reasons are obvious if you think about it for five seconds
>>585525614Except AI went from grainy gloopy slop that you could barely even see what it was to completely threatening the entire market within like 5 years. Imagine what it'll look like in 5 more.
who the fuck cares>noooo I need 0.85% more dps to be optimal and efficient!!! this game is super hard and I am a professional esports world first champion who has to be the very best!!!just shut the fuck up and play the game
>>585525504>You can barely even tell what is AI slop and what isnt anymore outside of those shitty early era artworksSurely you're joking. People are literally spamming AI slop in every thread and board 24/7 and trust me, it is very easily noticeable that it's AI slop. AI can look good, but 99% of the stuff that gets posted here looks like utter trash. Look at the OP image >>585513525 if you think that doesn't look like obvious AI garbage then you have a brain deficiency. Pretty sure that would have been genned in recent history not 'old era'
Everything that's cool or good is overplayed
>>585525627>muh metafuck off back to retail, 'toilet we're chill dadgamers here and the endgame content is not complex or difficult enough to warrant poopsocking
>>585525504>>585525373you can tell that one is slop pretty easily still but the aesthetic range sure has evolved from that basic ass SD1.5 erawould even say it looks good
GIVE ALLIANCE ELF SHAMANSGIVE ALLIANCE ELF SHAMANSGIVE ALLIANCE ELF SHAMANSGIVE ALLIANCE ELF SHAMANSGIVE ALLIANCE ELF SHAMANS
Literally EVERY big streamer is rolling Alliance PvP btwIf you don’t do early name reserve you’ll never get to make an Alliance character
>>585525892we'll see but I doubt itthings don't just "get better" linearly
>>585522863asia servers as a white manI was talking to a warlock from hong kong in my broken chinese and he said all white people who speak chinese are geniuses. he wanted me to roll there simply because I said like three sentences in mandarin
>>585525892Hell. We’ll live in hell where nothing matters and everything so disposable
Me noobWhat's my motivation to play prot war nelf on pvp ruleset?
>>585525978No that's stupid
why did they add orc mage before dwarf warlock?
>>585525627I'd bring you into the Barrow Dens raid even if you were a C-tier shitter class, anon, because I believe in you as the player to overcome the trials that stand in your way.
>>585525983go away with your fomo, jew
>>585525837>meme twisting and an ability warriors NEVER use is going awayNo one cares except for your and that greasy streamer Esfand
>>585525978Give horde Ley LinesGive horde Ley Lines
>he doesn't realize that if he doesn't buy the name-reservation he will be locked out of creating a character on launch day due to faction balance instantly locking horde on pvp and alliance on rppvp
>>585525909I've posted lots of artwork here that people called AI that wasnt
>>585525978This but worgen shamans
>>585521309majula... home...
>>585522273Why the fuck did Blizzard nerf Rogue damage talents? And the new capstones are complete garbage.
The reason AI is uncanny is because its becoming too good, unironically. It doesnt have those micro human errors you see in human artwork. They just need to train the AI to be less good, funny enough.
RP is too complicated. I think I'm just going to go PVE instead.
>>585526264No come to RP with me it'll be fun we can be friends
>>5855260722h slam would be a lot better with current rageit was useless in vanilla because dw could just heroic strike every hit
>>585526264Its not complicated its just exhausting to keep up that fruity persona 24/7 when you just want to communicate some basic utilitarian shit
>>585522273>>585526212blizzard are utterly terrified of unfettering the absolute beast that was turtle-WoW poison rogue, so they're dragging their feet on implementing it
>>585525909what constitutes good looking sloppa?
>>585526213it's uncanny because it's a mechanical heuristic output of a machine. the image is precisely the sum of its constituent parts, not more
>>585526213>The year is 2036>Bethesda 2.0 is staffed entirely by AI and one human CEO>The AI are instructed to intentionally add bugs back into the games to replicate the soul of the Bethesda product
>>585519746All they need to do is put some effects on gear that boost rogue damage. The fact the classes seem so unbalanced, especially elemental shamans, probably means that they have level 60 gear that have some wacky effects that increase damage by a lot. So in their internal testing they are seeing somewhat balanced dps at level 60 but if you just sim the classes without those effects you get what we currently have
>use reservations for horde characters>now more people who want to escape from Olympus have to play alliance>swap server rule to PvE>create new character and start playning
>>585526348RP servers typically dont expect people to be in character 24/7. Nobody does RP during content, in the global/trade channels or generally when doing business. RP is mainly just between people who both consent to it in the first place.
>>585525396The first thing AI did was price fix homes and run psyops on boomers to double their home prices, the next thing it did was just look at corporate bloat and fire portions of the workforce, while finding creative ways to make the other roles pick up their workload, the next thing it did was become so advanced it could just do jobs and then fire even more people. The next thing it did is become financial advisors and stock portfolio managers that auto-defeated most traders with the money of rich jews (and only rich jews access to this btw). The next thing it did was artificially price-fix all goods in your area to be uniform across the country (If your salary is 2x another area, then everything will just superficially be charged at 2x the rate so everyone only makes national average) The next thing it did was answer questions to executives and other jews like (What is the absolute MINIMUM we can pay our employees for MAXIMUM work without them putting a gun in their mouth? I can only image what fun things it is working on right now!
>>585526478umm no sweetie someone datamined some random shit that may be in release and we plugged it into the vibecoded sim, so you're wrongnumbers on release will be precisely what the sims say they are, and a patch is impossible because blizzard are psychos!
>>585526408any lolimaneand that belf butt that gets posted from time to time
>>585514165WoW just has the superior devs at the time like Grummz. Dudes just making games.
>>585526545he's playing on pve so anyone regardless of faction will escape him on pvp
>>585520870you have to be level 60 for that to work while my druid can go gather at level 35
does fade untarget you in pvp? saw comments saying this but i can't remember this.
>really want to play horde>best friend wants to play alliance>acquaintances i know through family are planning on horde>coworkers want to play allianceFug
>>585526654Do trannies really play this garbage
>>585526738Fade doesnt do shit but it should act like a mini Pain Suppression or at least make you stealth for its duration or something...ANYTHING
>>585526640I got some belf stuff saved from the other general
>>585526789Make two characters
>>585526621You forgot about zero day exploits on PHP and now tons of agents basically working all day to find more exploits so all the data on the internet can be leaked
>>585526305>>585526348Can I just play on the server without ever RPing?
>>585526789you gonna pick acquaintances and coworkers over your best friend anon...?
>>585526654Funny art of the character just standing there staring at the guy spazzing out
>>585526847I don't think its in that style but fuck it post anyway
>>585526807nobody gives a fuck about xiv gameplay
>>585526918You dont have to RP at all on RP servers beyond having a non meme name
Rogues will get cloak of shadows within a year of launchbookmark this post
Here all my brothers are standingTo face the ranks of the enemyShines on the stone of the mountainThe dwarves of iron and goldIn the fray, in the fire, we are marching onTill the end, through the darkWe are holding onFar from our home we're standing as oneWhen the battlefield callsTogether we're marching onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHpktve7xcwe ARE rolling dwarf, ye?
>>585526654XIV's netcode, like most games in Japan, was built around the mindset of 130 million people all living in an area the size of california which means even at the 2 farthest points you're relatively close to each other and there's practically no lag. This is why fighting games run super smooth online but not outside of Japan because they never programmed it for an environment where people live far from each other.
Will I want to kill myself if I play on a pvp server as a warrior or paladin without engineering?
>>585526832it looks like they buffed it so removes a lot more threat.it was such a meme spell in classic and tbc. it dropped a miniscule amount of flat threat and it's not even permanent.
>>585526408The only good AI i've seen is some of the recent celeb porn video edits. Some of those are pretty crazy how good they look.Images posted here always look like shit.
>Friends wanna play Alliance and Horde equally, which is already a bad idea but doable>Dont like a single race class combo on HordeWonder what they will add post launch
>>585527143with no friends? yesif you want to not be miserable in solo wpvp go hunter or druid. maybe mage
>>585527029I miss XI
>>585519129My friend once became the “potion person” for a smaller server and had all sorts of randoms coming up to them offering them freebies and favors.
>>585527015this is from the wowg slop guy>>585527162I think AI editing existing material is a lot better than its material created from scratchfull AI video is ultra uncanny still
>>585527147Still useless. If you're pulling threat from the tank as a healer your tank is literally afk.
>>585527105This is why Smash Brother's online has been shit even in the most recent entry. The Japanese cannot comprehend the fact that you might be playing online with someone who doesn't live a 10 minute bike ride away.
>>585527439No they just don't really care about the world outside of their island and the fact that there are people outside of it, is kind of an inconvenience to their mindset of cultural isolation.
>>585526940My want of playing Horde is the real thing weighing my option in that scenario. I want to try Troll Warrior and Undead Mage is always my favorite mage. Skelf shaman also looks like it could fun. Also Horde just has the easiest time in Azeroth with their zeppelin options and ease of access to the dungeons in the first 40 levels especially on pvp. You really only miss HoT and Stocks while alliance has to make the perilous trek to WC/ROL/SFK/RFK/RFD/SM which is aids and they didn't even give dalaran a flightpath to make SM less aids when having to go back after going up there to do SFK and ROL. Horde always just winds up being a lot of the better pvpers on average. Sure some PvP megasweats will go alliance for racials, but with megaservers the majority of "decent" pvpers will be Horde more often than not. They also have 4 fucking shaman options and undead is easily the most popular vanilla race and getting paladin means you will never want for Paladins in your groups, meanwhile shaman on alliance will be dead as fuck after the first month of raidlogging.
>>585527439And they’re happier for it to be honest I wish servers were regional I want a server just for west coast of America. Or just the south east.
>tauren and dwarf trannies in the grave tonightsurely they'll rework 2% crit damage before launch?
>>585527326There's situations where healer threat hurts you that isnt ripping threat off the main target. For example while something is sapped or polymorphed youre building up threat on it constantly while healing, then when it gets free it beelines to you.
>>585527579surely
>>585527175How though? Undead Mage/Warlock/Rogue don't do it for you? Skelf as druid if you dislike Tauren. 4 shaman options, 4 hunter options, orc warlock, orc warrior, tauren warrior? How do none of these seem cool to you? You really saying a small ass human warrior is more interesting than a giant raging bull just on pure aesthetic alone?
>>585527579shirley
>>585527296<3
>>585527579trust aggrend's plan
>>585526654XIV's netcode really is shit. It was my one real complaint with the game. I played through the whole thing from ARR through Endwalker doing all content inbetween and i thoroughly enjoyed my journey, but man the netcode is just straight ass.It's fine when doing casual stuff by yourself but the moment you're doing dungeons or raid fights it's a nightmare. Nothing more annoying than dying to some shit 30 yards away from you because "lol you weren't 30 yards away from it 2 seconds ago though!"
Balrog been real quiet since this song dropped.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHpktve7xcgod I cant wait
>>585525627>no more balance changes>could nerf your classmake a fucking stance retard, if there arent any changes coming then everyone already knows what to be expected with their class bc of beta
>>585527686But Tauren aren’t raging bulls in wow they’re borderline pacifist goofy cow people native Americans written by Californians They look goofy and lame and dare I say it gay in WoW
>>585527439It's funny that emulated Melee has better netcode than Smush Ultishit. Switch not only has around 10f of native input delay (even more if you play on a living room tv and not monitor meant for gaming), but the delay code gives you like 8-10 more frames of lag. It feels so unresponsive online and barely playable offline.
>>585527105>>585527439Jap games horrendous online makes more sense you when realize how insanely racist they are to anyone who isn't Japaneses. They do NOT want anyone else to actually play their games. Shooting their own games in the foot just to reduce the amount of foreigners who may be playing online is well worth it to them.
>>585527686The only classes im really interested in are Paladin, Druid and maybe Priest as a distant third. Undead are goofy hunched over scrawny freaks. Trolls are a meme race. Tauren is tolerable but Nelf is way better and more normal looking in all the gear and in lore. I could pay $30 to be a fake high elf druid but thats a last resort.
>>585526408>good looking sloppa?does not existthere is always some weird wonky bullshit going on in every single ai picture
>aihaters ittyou have no idea what you're missing out on, the birth of a new revolutionary technology isn't a privilege that every generation had
>>585527047That sounds good to me. I just hope I make a friend or two
>>585527579Of course they will, and don't call me Shirley
>>585527842If you only look at specific characters and tribes sure. Grimtotem are badass. The animations tauren has which you will see the entire time you are playing are badass for 2h weapons and all the warrior shouts and charge and warstomp. And you can make them look badass and scary. Who cares if the cinematic shows some pacifist cowtard sprinkling fairy dust. Go be a badass cow with long horns and rape/pillage alliance.
>>585528008Alas.. luddites are everywhere these days
>>585513525If I'm interested in open world PvP and some dueling, is Ret Paladin better at that stuff than like a warrior? Never really played Classic too much in the past.
WoW Classic vertical progression, with two-handed weapon dps as an exemple:T0 (dungeons): 50-59 dpsT1 (molten core): 62-76 dpsT2 (blackwing lair): 75-82 dpsT3 (naxxramas): 84-95 dpsHow should Forever fix that? Will they just increase the dps by 5% instead of 30% at every new raid and call it a day?
>>585528008how am i missing out? jeets do the proompting for meif it actually becomes good, I can start proomting toit's not like it's hard to learn
>>585528008that shits for boomers
>>585527998>he hasn't tried Astra
>>585528171well they could have different/better itemizationnew cosmeticsweird or conditional bonuseswhich is still slight vertical progression in some senseproblem is people might howl that it doesn't feel meaningful (perhaps validly depending on how it all plays out)
>>585528114You think I was talking cinematic? Im talking in game. It’s impossible to make a scary Tauren. They fucked it up. You clearly don’t pay attention to the game
>>585528171the game needs itemization that isn't just dps go higher, crit go higher, etc. items that enable different ways to play your character.
>>585528321that's called borrowed power and that's retail
>>585528008Yes, gamers today are lucky to enjoy skyrocketing hardware prices.
>>585528123This site was literally the breeding ground for them. Before this dumb stuff started people here were hating technology as a direct result of being educated on it. Now we have newfags like you who don’t know anything blindly praising it
>>585527954People massively overplay this, the average Japanese person in Japan is actually quite friendly and nice provided you don't act like an asshole who thinks other places you visit should conform to YOU and not the other way around. Japan is not "insanely racist" for having the mindset towards assimilation that everyone had 100 years ago, without all the baggage that made people genuinely racist 100 years ago.That being said from my time in service the group that really surprised me in their friendliness is Iraqis. Sometimes I think they like westerners more than each other, I made some genuine friendships on tour there while half the time they would point to a fellow countryman and go "don't trust that guy, he's an asshole"
>>585528008>huge headed bitch with a neck that fades into nothingnessso this is the power of image denoisers...incredibleI don't even care anymore that ram prices went up by 300% and storage prices doubledI simply must proooompt now
>>585528171Here is an example. Let's say daggers (backstab build) is kinda dogshit for pve. So they make a dagger set with numbers such that it becomes good. Not that hard to make. Repeat for various other shit. Hell, you could make a DPS smite set. Pepper it with some 5% upgrades, sidegrades, toys, cosmetics, whatever. Horizontal progression (enabling new meme specs) with some slight vertical progression.
>>585527593>while something is sapped or polymorphed youre building up threat on it constantly while healing, then when it gets free it beelines to you.Which shouldnt be a problem if your tank isnt afk or a shitter.
>>585525776just make the other faction on rppvp
>>585526408what constitutes good looking sloppa?Making tauren sexy.
Which one do I go with>femnelf druid>femhuman rogue>femhuman warlock>femhuman priest
>>585527552Shut up weeaboo, they're just retarded. Japanese can be bad too.>>585527872Yeah Slippy mogging them so hard really made Nintendo look pathetic. Will always be funny how much Nintendo rages about a 25 year old game they themselves mad.
>Warlock closet has a 1 hour cooldownI can already hear people complaining they missed it.
>>585528008AI is going to make the worst people in the world very powerful and you'll become a peasant that can't even afford a new computer, loser
>>585528495what if my tank is afk or a shitter? you may be some discord troon who only plays with your little friends, but I (and many others) play pubs for fun and profit, fade etc are quite usefulindeed if you're in an optimised sweaty discord party most classes aren't gonna use much of their utility, you will just mow everything down with precise pulls and big dpsso your argument is rather myopic isn't it? not everyone plays like that or indeed wants toI enjoy playing with random noobs in pubs, it's fun
>>585528552I think you should femgobble my nuts
>>585528573I just said I want to play with people around me and you think that means I’m a weeb. Dumbass
>>585528495>>585528676FURTHERMORE, if you like to push things a little and overpull (I do this when I play with friends because we enjoy it) then fade can be greatbecause at some point if you pull enough mobs it does get hard to keep them off the healer, at least for warrior/paladin who don't hit infinite targets
>>585528172>jeets do the prompting for mejeets arent the ones doing the best quality work out there, they dont even have the hardware required to do itthe best AI content literally manipulating mainstream social media atm is doing by experts in their own field (white or east asian) using AI to go even further with their vision>>585528405not any different compared to the previous crisis we've had before, you couldn't even find a high end GPU for years during the bitcoin craze>>585528174as if boomers had it any better with real life propaganda ingested directly from their TV consumption every single day, the mind rape was even more intimate bc it was real people doing acting out the CIA playbook
>AI is good because I can be a loser jerking off to pixels while the jews and indians become the rulers of world and take the very little I still have
>>585528676>I enjoy playing with random noobs in pubs, it's funI do too, I just have enough awareness to pay attention if mobs are on the healer, as any good tank should. But sure, I'm a discord tranny or whatever.
horizontal progression just means you gotta go back and kill the big guy that drops dst every week
>>585528791"It's okay it's shit you get to play with people around you" is excuses. It's not the 90s anymore the fucking first XBOX with XBOX online had better internet than modern Nintendo.It's just a multi-billion dollar corporation being lazy as fuck and they don't need to be defended because of it.Dumbass.Oh also Nintendo charges you for that shit now. Again no excuses.
>>585528908ok, so what if I am playing priest healer and I am not the tank?I'm just calling you a discord troon because you think like one
cringeposters have take over this general. they follow the commandments of their content creator overlords. they fornicate in public, they wear cloth that reveals their disgusting nature for all to see.I beseech thee, brothers - pay no heed to these slatterns, these destroyers of virtue. stand tall in the face of these creatures and make sure to stand for the values of reason and masculinity - join the dwarfes today!stand rooted against degeneracy, join your brothers and sisters in rp pvp, no matter the region!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HHfM5PWlm8
>>585528461>while half the time they would point to a fellow countryman and go "don't trust that guy, he's an asshole"He was probably from another tribe. When society is tribal and democracy just turns into an ethnic headcount where every election's goal is to pour more government resources into your ethnic group than the others it naturally creates societal divisions.
What gold farms can a Shaman do?
>>585528874Nah,I have like 200k in nvda so I'm profiting off it.
>>585528935you weren't suppose to point that out
>>585529019mage
>>585528935Good. I think all raids should stay relevant.
>>585528874shoulda made it in 2017 like everyone else but now you're just malding on 4chinz like a retard
Tier 1 Dagger 56-67 damageTier 2 Dagger 63-84 damage>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDTier 1 Dagger: 56-67 damageTier 2 Dagger: 56-67 and 5 poison dps>Ah… Perfectly horizontal… home :)
>>585528991Do you think the troons will allow a guild of trad dwarves to exist on their RP PvP server?
>>585528398it wouldn't be borrowed because it's not going away with the next expansion. having items in raids that actually enable different unique builds would be one way to make those raids relevant multiple tiers later.
>>585529023cool, hope you cash out before it blows up, 200k is nothing btw.
>>585528862only boomers are tech guys go be a stupid old man somewhere else anyone whose brain hasn’t been rotted by age can see the writing on the wall
>>585528935Fine with me. Why should the game just cater to sweaty people that want some new le hard challenge every 2 years?
We NEED personal loot
How am I supposed to make a troll rp name when I can't use apostrophes and I've never even heard of trolls having last names? Vol'jin is just Vol'jin. Zul'jin is just Zul'jin.
Horizontal progression with stats is impossible and antithetical because any damage increase at all by definition is vertical. The only true horizontal prog is stuff like transmog, mounts, etc.
>>585528461>they would point to a fellow countryman and go "don't trust that guy, he's an asshole"Japanese are like this too, they absolutely hate each other. Foreigners never learn this because 99% of the time they never learn any Japanese and Japanese dont want to be bothered trying to talk to them, which foreigners (EoPs mostly) equate as racism.
>>585528935how do they plan on getting healers to go back to shit like MC then
you have been found guilty of cringethe sentence this that /wowfg/ becomes /wowcg/ again for the next 2 weeks
>>585528961None of what you said has anything to do with me. I think you made a lot of assumptions from my post
>>585529191Well that just in nvda, my port is much bigger than that. Also ai bubble is here to stay.
>>585529160I believe we shall raise our shields and stand against anything degenerate. Raise the shields, ready your axes, brew and ale and women await at home after the fight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZQjLhAb0ioThere is no force to stop us in this realm.
>>585528461Could be that they liked your american money if any of those friends were business owners you met at their bar or wherever.
>>585529208you're playing the wrong game zoomy, retail is that way, old men are the target audience, learn your place
>>585529019Fire Nova was actually busted as fuck for aoe farming which is why they obliterated it's damage last patch
>>585529313What about a set that makes smite a viable DPS spec? For example.Or a mage set that makes scorch your main spell?These are just examples.
>>585529398Sounds pretty gay
>>585529340You dont get it bro, all these tourist fomo posters are ready for 20+ hour raid schedules each week for infinity.
>>585528985I've never played anything other than warrior or priest. You never need to fade unless your warrior is absolute trash that isnt even gaining rage because the mobs are running around hitting everyone but him.
>>585528461my brother was in japan for an year and returned few months agojaps are all racist and reactionary and they hate foreignsthe foreigns students all hanged out by themselves and away from the japs, they do not like being around different people and are extremely insecure
>>585529279Voljin DarkspearZuljin DarkspearJah Moneyetc
horizontal fags will be raped
>>585529415No a lot of them were just regular civilians you interacted with while at post.>>585529508>reactionaryDoes this word even mean anything for people that aren't unironic commies?
>>585529514Would you say you would progress your meat stick into them back and forth horizontally?
think I'm going to go nelf druid with alchemy and herbalism
>>585529616it should, it has a very clear definition
>>585529498If that is your assessment there is no hope left for you. We are here to stay, and we shall raise the shields against the horde and all they stand for.Hail hammerhand, hail the tradition that kept us alive through the centuries.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzUoJiu8c4w
>>585514575check Gillees shit, he is pretty exhaustive w/pros and cons and what to dos and shit https://www.youtube.com/@DGillee/videos1
>>585529638sorry, I'm already doing that. you'll have to pick something else
>>585529418? retail is the game for old men though
>>585529506OK, so you admit that it can be useful in pubs? Glad we can agree.
>>585529638I did that in the beta, that was a massive mistake as I saw everyone craft BoP gear better than half the should I could get from drops
>>585529313>what is pvp gear>what is resist gear
>>585528253>>brlbrlrbrlrbr astraFuck you and your gay shit
>>585529398>posts hobbit for dwarf guild Make a gnome guild that takes itself seriously
>>585529745a mistake in lvl 20/30 meme metanot a mistake in release because every fag is gonna be making those unnecessary bops
>>585529738Yea man Forever is the pro game with like 3 apm vs retails 120 apm.
>>585528008>zoomers>AI>millennials>smart phones>gen x>personal computingactually it seems like it is something that happens every generation
>>585529110yes, my first experience on wow classic was on a fully progressed realm and I had fun until I reached level 60 and dungeons were trivialized by naxx geared players, and pvp was unplayable because I had to fight naxx geared players, naxx shouldn't be tier 3 it should be tier 30
no one is going to be playing forever in 3 months, you guys know that by now
>>585529882You say that but for all we know 60 crafting gear will actually be good.
>>585529313>different set bonuses>gear that caters to niche specs or style of gameplay>gear that min/maxes one aspect like hots/dots/aoe ectGotta think outside the box anon.
>>585529508>the foreigns students all hanged out by themselves and away from the japsIts language, man. Language is the great divider. Had any of them actually known Japanese, they'd warm up to them a lot more. Sure, you're not likely to become close friends but even Japs struggle with finding close friends with people they havent known since elementary school.
>>585520924literally mind broken after they removed John Swifty from the game
>>585529920buckbroken retoilet projecting due to his own experiences
Horizontal progression can be done by releasing 1 new race and class per quarter or half year
>>585529916Well keep dreaming there! Each tier will have better items they already said that.
>>585529920I mean I'm surprised anyone played past cataclysm but here we are.
>>585529894eh you’re the generation that thinks all progress is good progress and anything old should be thrown away or remade for modern standards mindless brand consumers
>>585529738No it's not lol. Old men don't want to wipe 300 times on a boss. Only dumb zoomies like that because they think it makes them good, a boss taking more pulls to die = difficulty which = skill and that is all that matters to them.
>new raid introduces horizontal gear in the form or elemental resistances >full raid gear all with frost/shadow/etc resist on itgg mages, priests, and warlocks
>>585529940yeah so get it at 60 if it's good, same shit as always with engineering
>>585514575i feel like engineering might be overvalued, i'm in a somewhat sweaty guild but i really doubt engi will make or break it if we can kill bosses (strictly pve scenarios), so likely i'm going with tailor/ench at first and see how it is as a caster
>>585530040imagine they add holy resistance
>>585529738lmao unc
>>585529942Except EXCEPT… thats gay af and the masses wont stick around for it just like SoD. They’ll be scrambling to add chase carrot gear here in 3 months trying to get people back to play.
Need help choosing a main bros>Mostly going to PvP>Mostly going to spam WSG>will do highest level PvE just for gear Torn between two specs>Enhance ShamanNormally, dog shit in PvP. 1 shotting with WF seems so fun BUT im worried they will be less focused around that this time>Desto Lockhorrible mogs, SOULFIRE ONE SHOTTING RULES, no movement speed
>>585530040in what, duels? who gives a shitthey could also add fat spell pen items for pvp if it's really a problem
>>585522150>kills hyperspawns for 1hr>move to new spot>kill hyperspawns for 2hrs>move to a new spot>kill hyperspawns for 3hrsneck yourself
Dark is night, not a star in the skyWill shine on us, we're alone but no oneWas left behind, with desperation in our eyesWe wait to die in the forthcoming attackORCS AHEAD! At the gates of the mountainHold the lineFeel the breath of the horde that's charging usWe are outnumbered as defendersOverrun, we will answer to their fire with fire!Fire! Fire!Fire and StoneWe came from the forge togetherAnd we'll answer to the callWith Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!We'll kill them allAs long as we are togetherAt the gates we'll not fallFire! Fire!Fire and StoneWe came from the forge togetherAnd we'll answer to the callWith Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!We'll kill them allAs long as we are togetherWe will answer to their fire with fire!Fire! Fire! Fire!Fire with fireFire! Fire! Fire!Fire with fireFire! Fire! Fire!Fire with fire
Im playing with 4 friends and I get the feeling im the only one taking this seriously despite them all sounding hype for it. None of them have decided what class they wanna play. 3 of them havent decided what faction they wanna play and one says hes gonna play both equally. Do these guys not know this is a multi month commitment?
>>585529419I feel like Shaman and Warrior are the only classes that can't make gold
>>585529736it's funny, in the abstract it's always "noo I don't want others picking my class" and then when you're at 60 in a raiding guild the people of your class are the ones you relate to the mostor even people of your class you meet while leveling
>>585530169sod was doomed to fail because everyone knew there was an actual classic+ was coming.
I think most people are going to quit when their 1 free week pass ends
>>585530210This was only efficient on mage with mass AoE. Just killing mobs is not faster than questing.
Does the name reserve let you create a pvp character in a specific faction?
>>585530023You sound like yous should hang up the games pops, these wows for yn not unc blud.
Guys I have the perfect idea of how to do horizontal progression.>Make raid>You instantly explode unless you have gear from the last big raid>Make raid>You instantly explode unless you have gear from the last raid just mentionedAnd you can just do this forever and people have to constantly get new gear. You don't even need to make the stats or anything better,Pretty smart, right?
>>585530372yes it's full on character creation without being able to enter the world
>>585530247Can I join your friend group?
>>585529942>new gear for the niche spec deals more damage than old gear>vertical progression
>>585530381Would unironically work
>>585530381>you quit the game you literally get left behind… FOREVER!!!
Something I think I'm just missing or not understanding, how many different REGIONS are there going to be? Is everyone going to be in one big megaserver globally depending on ruleset? I keep trying to look it up but get results about the megaservers in beta and not what it's supposed to be at launch.Trying to decide if I'm going to have to play on NA or not.
>>585530372Yes name reservation lets you bypass the faction restriction if one side gets too big. So if you don't make an Alliance on pvp during name reservation you are never making one.
Alchemy a worthless profession for a main?
>>585530426>>585530568That's fucked up. Is Alliance going to be the first pay2play faction in wow's history? I want to play with my frens.
>>585529905nah, last one was THE internet with millennials and younger xers, without it none of the others could exist, smartphones are just hardware that channels the internet to your lifeit's been almost 40 years, it usually skips a generation and change, i'd say AI will be mainstream ready in 2 or 3 years max, it already is for many ppl
>>585530550one megaserver for NAone for EUthere are OCE servers which make OCE shards if you are an ausfag like meso you will have low ping unless you group with burgers, then from what I heard the group leader determines what server the group is on
Is blacksmithing useful for hunters or rogues
>>585530582yeah only thing worth using at all is gonna be engi
The only way horizontal progression can work in WoW is if gear permanently breaks and you either cant repair the gear before it breaks or its extremely costly/requires a lot of mats.
>>585530361i bet you wish that were true
>tfw no (you)s >:(
>>585530467>hurdur just a dps increase
>>585530689The only way horizontal progression in wow will work is when I progress this log horizontally down your mouth hatch
>>585530676Okay maybe I'm using the wrong terminology then.If I select "server:EU" in the settings, I will still be able to play with NA?I don't know why they haven't just put this on the fuckin FAQ yet.
>>585530614I'm calling it now. a day after name reservation goes up they will announce emergency buffs to Horde racials to help with the faction balance.
>>585530550There are 3 or 4 regions, US, EU, Asia and I think Australia gets one. The regions are all completely separate servers
>>585530683no.
With all this new healing plate, the holy paladin will no longer be forced to wear the dress.
>>585530785
>>585530614no>alliance fills up at the beginning of name rez>horde begrudgingly fills up slowly>alliance becomes available again briefly, then fills up>repeat ad infinitumif you really want to be alliance, you'll be able to. but if you don't do the name rez early you might have to sacrifice some time
>horde population is going to be held up SOLELY by how fucking cool the undead pally mount is
Best WoW Survivors class?
>>585530825No. They are different megaservers.>>585530836Australia is on the US megaserver but you get Australian shards if the group leader is Australian. Or the condition might be different idk. But I had low ping as an ausfag on teh stress test.
>>585530683maybe for rogues if there's some bis bop blacksmithing weapon. but probably not.
>>585530942>>585530836alright, thank you anons, sorry for being retarded lmao
>>585530614>>585530372the way it works is you just spam create character until it lets you in, of course this could cost you precious seconds on launch day but it's never taken me more than 5 minutes to make my character on a 'locked' faction
>>585530904I only looked it up after you mentioned it.Damn that looks cool...
>>585530185Enhance is not that fun in wsg at max level. People know you’re made of tissue paper and usually just priority target you. Lock meanwhile is the strongest pvp class.
You guys seems to be forgetting how overplayed Undead Paladin will be.
Tailoring and enchanting or herbalism and alchemy for a priest?
>>585530904After they quite literally RAPED touch of the grave most paladins are gonna be rolling Alliance on release.
If Sally whitemane had more art it would not be necessary to make ai generated images of her. Fact
>>585531074for paladins it's better now
>>585530902>>585530835>>585531009I have this ominous feeling that Alliance in EU is going to be the lesser populated one
>>585531054at level 1 yeahand the beta showed that the UD paladin tourist population drops off a cliff once you start leveling
D00000000000D PORN IM SO INTERESTING XD XD LMAO HAHAHAH
>>585531074>The petty abilities that will get power crept in several patches will define how I play the game… FOREVER!
>>585531057engineering, unless they give enchanting an equivalent to a blink enchant.
>>585513525Is World of Warcraft Forever just another cashgrab like World of Warcraft Classic?
>>585531034lock is a little overrated imogood 1v1 but you can get fucked easily in group pvpand you often have to be farm/flagroom cuck in premadesthings might change in forever idk
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BKgCGRUdK-Q
In FFXI you had to form a full group just to mob grind and definitely for any quest or dungeon I wish wow was like that
>>585531189no it's a bigger cashgrab
>>585531227This guy is seriously mentally ill.
They seriously didn't fix there only being one actual profession in the game?
>>585531175How the fuck is a passive you always have that scales its damage off your hp getting "power crept"???? Do you even understand what powercreep means?
>>585531310nobody rly knows there might be nu shit on releaseinb4>noooo we datamined EVERYTHINGok bro
>>585530185if you specifically want to play wsg you'd never go wrong with drood
>>585531149Epoch had undead paladins and it was roughly 60% of horde. It simply attracts ES-/IS- personality types.
>>585531227why does blud use a hat indoors?
>>585531375>>585531034thoughts on>ele>destro>fire
>>585531202Shaman can easily be fucked in the Ass in any form of PvP. And because the only thing they have going for them is burst damage it makes competent PvP players realize you’re the best thing to insta delete. Even a pocket healer cant keep you alive if just 2-3 people commit to killing you and you have 0 survival cds to blow.
>>585531206please tell me how i can do afrobull aislopI'm begging you.
>>585531438I'd sooner trust actual wow forever census data over some hohol server with god knows what changes
>>585531310Nope. One profession and each class basically still has only one way to play itHave fun!
>>585531227the mmo he's playing looks jankier than the free2play asian mmo's i played 20 years ago
>>585531206Im a big fan of one pauldron being bigger than the other
>>585531310I assume you are referring to how strong engineering still is? We weren't able to datamine all the endgame recipes so other professions may get some crazy stuff too.
>>585531326>Blizz adds in item or gear that has effect that outclasses racial>Boom powercreptI also mean more like, your gear will be so powerful in a few patches racials will be forgotten or like 0.1% of your dps like retail.
>>585531454To hide his balding head.
>>585531579he is not balding & he is not short
I just want to be a Dwarf with a big ax is that so wrong? Is there anything to support that? I want to do BS/Enchanting
Is it a good idea to go enchant/smith on my pala? I hate gathering and I should have enough gold to by smithing stuff.
>>585531578You are so unbelievable retarded I don't even know where to start with you
Is alliance going to have faster bg queues than horde?
>>585531458fire will be most fundestro will be bad relative to demo until you're deep into 60 with tons of critnever played shaman so can't speak to it but people are saying ele is the most raped thing since nanjing
if I'm new to WoW and want to play a class that will generally get accepted in groups without a whole ton of bullshit, am I looking at tanking or healing?I understand dungeons are pretty worthless as is but hoping that may change in full release.
https://youtu.be/5t-DsGm0rlc
>>585531861it's 50/50on one hand horde is the traditional pvp race of choice, and many people will probably stick with it, possibly because they just like the aestheticson the other hand alliance racials are perhaps slightly better than horde ones right now and some streamers have said they're going alliancehow many players really follow streamers like sheep? I don't knowon the other hand they might change racials again before/on releaseso just be yourself :)
>>585531902the best class for free groups while doing almost nothing is mage
>>585531902healing if you want to raid tanking if you wana dungeon hero
>>585531861Fuck no. All signs are pointing toward Alliance being the bigger faction by a LOT. Horde will have the faster queues this time around.
>>585531643>I just want to be a Dwarf with a big ax is that so wrong? Is there anything to support that?dwarves can be every class that uses a 2h axe so yes
hello, just to confirm beyond all doubt, once the game itself is out, will americans and europeans be allowed to play together or not?
>>585531778Please respond. >>585531485
Tanking and spanking Whitemane!
>>585531458fire is garbage
>>585531861horde will have faster q’s and win more often than alliance you also get to gank streamers who are all going alliance
>>585531902>I understand dungeons are pretty worthless as is but hoping that may change in full release.psyop, even if you do each dungeon once you're in for a lot of dungeons, and spamming dungeon is on the menu at max level if you want cool gear>a class that will generally get accepted in groups without a whole ton of bullshitthey're both fine, play what you think is fun, maybe go tank because open world questing is easier as a tank than as a healie
>>585532089there will be separate servers. if you want to play across the pond you'd need to setup a new account/subscription
>>585531872why would ele be badit gets 15 seconds of being able to spam chain lightning
>>585532000>on one hand horde is the traditional pvp race of choiceExcept they gave Humans their overpowered retail stun removal racial so the tables have flipped entirely.
>>585532210please read the ENTIRE post before replying, thanks!
>>585531902go healer, you'll find groups instantly and it doesn't require any dungeon knowledge.
>>585532198I'm just going off of what I've heard over the last month or so, like I said, basically 0 experience with WoW. Maybe I tried the free trial up to level 20 a couple times back in the 2010s but never serious.
>>585531902Healing.
>>585532206like I said I'm not a shaman player. it looks like the damage numbers got gutted like a fishlava burst is also apparently weaker than mage's fireballI think chain lightning does like 1/4th its original damage?
5 man vs sally
Does Shaman benefit at all from Blacksmithing?
>>585532331in the beta?what if they release some kind of patch?
>>585532354fuck off
>>585532125NovelAI
Will I regret going resto shaman? I wanted to play priest, but orcs can't be priest...
>>585531902Paradoxically I think healers will have a harder time getting accepted to raids than DPS. The new wow forever raids are designed for 20 players which means you'll be bringing 4-5 Healers, and 13-14 DPS. Your best odds statistically speaking are with a DPS class.
>LFM Onyxia>Deathbringer, Vis'kag, Helm of Might, Ony Head, Bag reserved>Full enchants + consumes required
>>585532387I wouldn't hold your breath. it looks like *quite literally* every other spec in the game is better than ele
Can Druids AoE lashers in DM East?
>>585532431What did I do? I'm trying to figure out a profession to pick.
>>585532480helm of might huh? you know what, it's yours my friend
>>585532331holy fuck lol
>>585532552who fucking knows what bop crafting items there will befrom the items seen on vendors it seems like leatherworking makes most mail gear
rouge gigapumper lfg ony
>>585532203i'm so sad that this is still a problem, regardless of the fucking mmo i pick
>>585532476>ratio of 10:1 dps to healeryeah
>>585532552pick herb/skinningget real prof at 60same shit for any classor skinning/mining but that might be too hard for (you) i think
>want to go human mage>really dislike elf casters animations>highest parsing mage race in the game (by only like 1%)>leyline interaction with drinking and evocate also likely makes it the best race for QOL/non sweat raiding>just fucking know that if I go human im going to feel a pang of regret every single time I sit down to drink in between trash pulls while the raid moves on to the next pack or when I have to evocate on long fights like forced submerge rag, cthun, or KT
Nosneedjerome status?
>>585532730You really are not a very romantic person are you
>>585532715It's a ping concern.People demand more and more in depth content to do which the only way to really make in most MMOs is adding more tight encounters/attacks that require better reaction. Which of course ping fucks over. It's just not viable, we have tried it, and it can be made to work on smaller scales with very carefully crafted or tuned encounters, but in general terms, it's literally cheaper to set up multiple servers.
>>585532903there is nothing romantic about being unable to afford a mount
>>585531902I would recommend Paladin. Lets you play all 3 roles and healing as Holy Paladin is very easy.
>>585532794I see a ton of idiots who pick races based on how they will parse 1% better on bosses ignoring how quality of life racials will save them hours of time cumulatively across a campaign and endgame. That being said the look of your character is the most important aspect.
>>585532794You won't regret it every time you remove a stun or catch a rogue with perception
>>585532954I don’t care about having a mount. The game isn’t THAT big
>>585532921i get that on a macro level but surely there could be some meager exception for individuals who aren't going to do anything that requires less than 200 ping, be it by having separate pools but being able to invite someone from another region or something
>>585532476>thinking people want to play healslut t. healslut
>>585532860>open his stream>wiping in black temple with 20 peoplethe absolute state of anni tbc
post whores
>>585533043ok bro
>>585532476>4-5 healers>for a fucking 20 manyou will bring 4 maybe for prog, 3 for regular runs, sometimes even down to 2 for sweaty speedruns as shown in scarlet enclave speedruns
Reminder: Racials will account for 0.01% of your dps in a few tiers.
Is human a decent choice for priest this go around? Think I want to be shadow unless i somehow get a healer slot
>>585533136>>585532716Good thing I can off-spec Shadow Priest
>>585532794I don't see how this is a question at all, go humanretail elves have the worst pvp racials (demonstrated by their bottom of the barrel dueling metrics) as well as being a literal retail race. are you a retail player anon?
>>585533201Anyone rolling racials for parsefaggotry is an idiot. Racials mainly matter for pvp in which they can make a HUGE difference.
>>585533043I was saving for a mount but 30% from cheetah feels more than enough. Like all you do is FP to instance portal. How fast do you really need to be? Im always early anyway.
>>585532981if it were just sims then I simply wouldnt care because the differences between gnomes, humans, and skelfs are a rounding error on target dummy sims. I am most worried about missing the QOL of 100% mana regen and potentially gamechanging interactions with evocate
>>585533107
is this a comfy wow forever machine?
>>585533276so humans are god, got it
>>585533223Unfortunately they get the lamest priest racials out of any race. The change to their sword specialization actually did affect priest the most though. As it was the only class humans could pick that couldn't use a sword.
>>585533364I'm HOPING they nerf that shit. Although I'm playing horde anyway.
do you think we’ll see meaningful skelf racism? Imagine if they had to address it on the podcast? Or will the average forever player just roll over and accept this retail race that doesn’t fit in at allRemember people crying about /spit with store mounts? A race is even more visible
>>585533428Idk what im looking at but i played the beta on a steamdeck and it was pretty kino
>>585533223if you like the way human looks, play it. Never pick a race based on racials.
>>585533428does wow even have fsr 4.1?
>>585533428I played most of the forever beta on my steam deck so anything stronger will be great. The rog ally 1 is probably a better choice if you're just doing wow, rog xbox ally x or whatever the fuck ms made them name it is insanely, prohibitively expensive for very marginal power upgrades.
>>585531485The intended way: Download a local setup and use Afrobull's style (free)The easy way: Pay a NAI sub (-25$)
>>585533364>100% mana regenThe skelf racial only affects their spirit regen. I don't know why every retard keeps spouting that it doubles ALL mana regen when it doesn't.
>>585533553I don't think anyone actually cares about Skelves this much to make it an issue. I'm not going to avoid certain players because of the race they choose to play, I think that's dumb.
>>585533553I will be discriminating against them the entire time I playno party invites, no buffs, no help in wpvp, /cringe at them when I chance upon one in the wild
>>585533590Racials matter more for priest though
>>585533104bt with 20 people sounds kinda hard
One of the guys from the podcast said they're changing the Rogue sub capstone to a delayed burst ability because everyone hates the current one yet Rogues received zero changes in the beta.
>>585532434Fuck. I gotta start figuring out how to do LLM shit. Thanks anyway, anon.
>>585533432Undead is better than human for mages and imo rogues tooOrc is also insane on warriors for stacking stun reduction
>>585533651this is simply not true. it doubles drinking and evocate mana regen. there are some reports that it doesnt work with in combat mana regen talents like arcane meditation which feels like a bug but even if thats intended its still very, very strong specifically for mage
>>585533714Based. Im a tank and I won’t group with any of them
>>585533553only the blue ones
>>585533409Can you start namefagging so I can filter you?
>>585533883Show 1 single clip of it doing this. You can't because it doesn't fucking work that way.
>>585533856/g/ has good threads, but if you have any 4070 or better card (3000 series is viable but not great for fast times), you're 90% of the way there already. Or buy a little box like a dgx spark and it will power pretty much anything you'd ever want to do. I have them set for agents to do in-house data tracking on other MMOs I play without as robust of autist datascrapers as wow.
>>585532015>>585532000>>585532163doesn't matter if alliance is 10% more populated, horde players are much more active in bgs in general. there has never been a time in classic that horde had faster BG queues, racial changes won't matter.
>>585533651So even spirit alone makes me want to roll one as a Druid cause i know my gear is gonna be loaded and that regen from 0-2-4 min into a boss will add up to a pretty solid chunk.That said i expect Evocate/innervate? interaction nuked before it goes live
>>585533758doesn't really matter, if you don't love your character that you intend on playing for hundreds of hours then what's the point of even playing to begin with. Race appearance should always come before racials.
apparently you stay at same hp % if you take off/on gear, unlike vanilla where gaining +100 stamina meant you went from 5000/5000 to 5000/6000 hpso now you gotta have a addon/macro to unequip/equip all gear for eating and drinking and it will be 10x faster
Reminder: Your mandatory PvP seasonal trinket will share CD’s with your racials.
gameplay wise fire mage and desto might be more appealing butthey look not cool
>>585533947NTA but if you filter the image dimensions you'll usually get rid of the nai sloppers since they all use the same format
>>585533582>>585533597coolio, were u guys able to achieve 60fps?>>585533591uh no it has its own upscaler thats unironically much better than older fsr models, the trick is to use the 0.98 scaling with the fidelity thing below and some decent sharpening, saves a lot of performance
>>585534014>there has never been a time in classic that horde had faster BG queuesThere has also never been a time in classic where humans had their stun removal and gnome escape artist gave them immunity.
>>585534117confirmed?
dad guilds will 5 or 6 heals 20 mans.t. knower
>>585533870Undead only have 1 racial that works against 3 classes and is worthless against the other 6. Touch from the Grave is literally pointless and not even noticeable and cannibalize is only good for leveling (sometimes)Undead is majority low tier.
Bros i want to play right now. Just wanna sit in a cozy inn while it thunders and rains outside
I know you guys are hyped on the FOMO, but you realize pretty much every class got utter dogshit changes? Raped game feel is gonna be obvious even for you goyim once you're like lv15-20
>>585531227cashing in on the lucrative embittered ex-wow player with comments disabled craze I see
>>585534218Tempted to join a dad guild even if I'm not a dad, but I'm old enough that me having a full time job is understandable to them, even if my hours are...odd.
>>585534295You can do that in Retail, with a far greater variety of inns!
>>585534117We have no idea if pvp trinkets will share a full, partial, or no cooldown with racials yet because they didn't let us use them in the beta.
>>585534218Nah, they do stupid shit like running 2 undergeared healers then complaining why they die constantly.
So let me get this straight, I have to choose the pvp ruleset to do actual wpvp, but then I'm stuck in the raiding pool of people who chose the pvp ruleset? Are BGs separated by these rulesets too, so if I choose pve then I BG with retards?
>>585534359>you goyimtell me you're a terminally online neet without telling me
>>585534003>>585533614I just want to make elf images, like pic related but in Afrobull's style. I'd actually also like MAD-Project's style. That'd be so good.
>>585534180yeah my deck ran 60fps with some obvious exceptions (gigantic layers or uber-packed towns). I will admit I don't have a perfect eye for FPS but I don't recall seeing any dips in general combat in the open world/dungeons either. I also used my deck to play classic prog during cata sue me I have nostalgia and it ran fine there too. I think I had most of the forever settings at max.
Human PaladinDwarf WaarriorNight Elf Hunter Who wants to join? Let’s do it
>>585533651>only doubles spirit regen>onlyNigger
>>585534413>Are BGs separated by these rulesets toono
>>585534413BG queue is shared between all rulesets. Also raiders will be overall smarter on pvp. You don't want to raid with scrubs who can't even handle pvp.
Are names universal? If Leeroy Jenkins is used on PvP ruleset then it's already taken on PvE?
>>585534413Battlegrounds are crossrealm/ruleset
>>585534364>try to join a dad guild>accidentally join a daddy guild>wonder why all these guys want to fuck you
>>585534413uh no retardBGs are cross realmeverything else is same realm:- Dungeons- Raids- Mail- AH- Outdoors
>>585534413pve is a safe space for The Raped, you don't want to raid with them
>>585533992I obviously cant go and record a clip right now but it literally does work that way. if you drink while its active you get double the mana back from your drink. its the literal same mechanic as innervate which also buffs drinking and evocate
>>585534480/g/ is your best bet then. It's extremely hardware dependent but most of the consumer hardware from 2023 and on will get you there, it will just take longer due to vram constraints. The whole reason there haven't been new cards is cause nvidia is just using all their chips for their AI boxes (gb10, and now gb300 which costs like 100k usd) and come with 750gb vram. People can crank out images in ~60 seconds once warmed up. my 4090 takes like 2-3 minutes for something decent, then iteration usually takes less.
>>585534183you can really tell who has played both horde and alliance and who has only played one faction. mudhut niggers and alliance faggots are completely different people in their bg and world pvp behavior. tweaking racials will never change that.
>>585534413>I'm stuck in the raiding pool of people who chose the pvp rulesetthis is a good thing believe me
>>585534003>https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-30-40-gpus-get-faster-in-ai-llms-with-new-unlock-tool-but-prices-surge-too/>he didn't buyeded fucking GRIM for 2080 bros
>>585534180I dont remember how many frames i had but i do remember being surprised with how well it ran. The steam deck fans were going crazy though lmao
>>585534014i agree
>>585534364<FUN HAVERS> will have a morning weekend raid if youre na :)
>>585533947Homo
>>585534932><NEET HAVERS>
>>585534932I work graveyard wednesday-saturday nights and sleep during the morning waking up around 2pm
>>585534493>>585534787thanks guys, i already owned a deck oled last year but had to sell it to grab a GPU before their OG prices spikedi expected better hardware to be out by this point but AMD is rinsing and scamming people at this point with yet another RDNA3.5 refresh and stagnation, too bad i can't find one of the Intel handhelds either, those are an actual gen upgradei'll have to wait until next gen drops and we start getting hand me downs from their chips, i bet even Microsoft will release their PC compatible handheld at some point
>>585534971dad alertdon't you have some kind of humiliation ritual you need to attend to?
/wowfg/ - aislop spam and how to gen aislop images
>>585534480as been stated a bunch of timesif you want the free option go with local model (SD). you need to do a lot of research or be pretty savvy with the software and workings though but it has the biggest range of options once you get really into itthe easy but non free option is novelai, which is what your image in the post was created with and the other guy's afrobull images are created with
>>585535038life as a NEET is a daily humiliation ritual, my unemployed brother
>>585534451you quite simply have to go back
>>585513525i fail to believe that there isn't a single RP-PVE NA guild on this general ... is there?
im not gonna make it two weeks bros...enjoy forlo...for me...
>fire mageor>ele
>>585535104I'm gonna need you to come in early on monday
I'd love to do a warrior for pve but I dont want to be a sitting duck / dependant on having healers for pvp
>>585533428>learnerd diana is voiced by a black womanimmersion shattered, fatherhood stolen, romance ruined
>>585535025the intel handhelds blow ass because intel stuff has been prone to heat concerns. All the best handheld devices are AMD right now, sadly.Look up "Rog Ally Z1 Extreme", that's the original gen rog ally, it had major hardware issues (SD card reader fried cards, no standard thunderbolt, but a proprietary egpu plug), but it's slightly faster than the deck, and you can find them for dirt cheap. Just, please remember it will obliterate your SD cards, no matter what they say, ASUS had to pay out several tens of millions of dollars in repair and replacement fees, there were 8 revisions to the hardware and none of them ever fixed it cause they didn't place heat dissipation tools appropriately-anyway, all that to say I played fucktons of wow, raiding on retail with it, and nowadays they go for ~$400usd on ebay, and probably cheaper if you find someone hawking it locally. Absolutely worth a buy, won't play new modern games but anything the deck can do, it can, and sliiiightly better.
make a new thread kiddo
>>585534571>>585534571>>585534571
>>585535101Forgive my coomer brain for it being fried and being unable to pay attention.>>585535083You misunderstand how much this is making me want to play the game.
>>585534540thats what they said
I hope the new neck and ring enchants are only for enchanters like in TBC
>>585535358no
>>585535375Anon it's not that complicated >>585534627. If you have Nvidia install a local model and get Anima to slop for free. If you're on AMD or have disposable income and want easy slop with zero setup pick up NAI. The good thing about Anima is that you can use different art styles instead of churning generic 2024-looking slop.
>>585535441is AMD that bad?
>>585535237>black womeni'm sorry, i didn't know Japan hired non-native VAs, what is this black VA you're talking about?
>>585535441I'll be doing some googling to figure out how to install a local AI model now. I have disposable income, but also I'm not made out of money.
>>585535573AMD has completely lost the AI race, they're treading the ground NVIDIA paved 3-4 years ago with their bespoke AI centric hardware, at modern prices. It's totally fucked. You CAN use it, but you're gonna have a way worse time because it's just not the focus of support for anyone on the developing side.
>>585535654damn I just bought a 9070 fml
>>585533651It affects spirit-based regen and channeled effects, so it boosts:>evocate >drinking>eating>innervate >effects of various spirit buffsWatch how fast his life & mana bar fill up when eating & drinking, starting at the 2:40 mark:https://youtu.be/Jr8CDrTBZZw?is=35dKuERl6rVTVeql
>>585535603nta but just>download comfy ui>go to civitai . red and get an anima model then get a anima lora in an artstyle style you like or a lora based around the character you want to use>put in your prompt by typing using gelbooru tags like "inoue orihime, long hair, orange hair, brown eyes, big breasts," ect
>>585535809You'll want to use the rocm suite, which is a bunch of AMD compatible tools. But largely you'll just get worse performance even on hardware that should theoretically be as good or better. 16gb vram is like 4080/5080 tier.And instead you're running against 4070 supers.I'm not that smart on the engineering side of things to know why it is,but I know from using the shit, that's how it is.
>>585518756> I need to see this
>>585535809he's completely retarded, all consumer GPUs are bad because they dont have enough VRAM and that is the bottleneck that matters, you can make slop with any 16GB vram card and the speed will be the same, it's fast, and the quality will be the same, it's bad
>>585535232git gud, get engi. 99% of players are retards, you can skill diff them if you dont suck
>>585535573It's not that it's bad. It's just that AMD is physically incapable of generating slop on it's own.>>585535603NAI is 25$ a month for infinite image gen and it's so easy to use you literally can't fuck it up. Nothing wrong with picking up to toy with it for a while while you set up something locally.https://litter.catbox.moe/kfnlcc.png
>>585536083VRAM matters for parameter size, but the issue is 90% of the models on market will not support shitty strix halo garbage or most AMD cards, you need specially tuned models for it.Get out of here.
>>585535441You using a Lora for your belf gens? I've been struggling hard to get anima to do anything warcraft related
>>585532206they don't want you using chain lightning outside of aoe situations. it does less single target than lightning bolt now
>models will not supportshut the fuck up moron you have no idea what u're talking about
>>585536520okay sure chief, you win, enjoy your AMD card and not being able to actually do anything with AI and barely being as good as a fucking 3080 despite being three times the price.
>>585535441Why would you self censor AI slop? Thighs deserve to be exposed.
kek
>>585535358>thread nukedlmao
other thread got jannied lmao
>>585536309I might not be able to get anything done tonight but I'm sure I'll figure this all out and be able to get images of my blonde slut-elf. Thanks, anon.
>>585536332Nope, I'm a slave to NAI's database updates. >>585536781https://litter.catbox.moe/ic8qr8.png
Can someone please bake a new thread that won't get nuked?
>>585536182got it anonim glad i bought my gpu before the collapse, i'll take good care of it for nowshame about not having a handheld, i love them a lot, but bad value (current) purchases are not my thing
>>585535938Thanks I'll see how it goes>>585536309not gonna pay for slop sorry, linux btw
>>585537085Grim. I dunno why theres so few anima warcraft models being made but I can find obscure as fuck models no problem.
new>>585537298>>585537298>>585537298
Why did the janny nuke the thread?
>>585537168I really think you're discounting the current stuff. Steam deck is coming up on 5 years old now. It's still playing a lot of modern releases. Getting anything even slightly more powerful will get you solid performance. You really only lose out on THE latest yearly shit like cod and battlefield. I was even playing wardogs on my deck just fine before they removed proton compatibility.But yeah, sorry to shit up the thread so much at least it's already past bump limit.I hope you do find what you're looking for, just want you to be pragmatic about it and don't discard good in pursuit of perfect, you know?>>585537347bro the OP was fucking footfag shit.
>>585537516>I hope you do find what you're looking for, just want you to be pragmatic about it and don't discard good in pursuit of perfect, you know?damn, this hit hardmaybe i should call her
>>585537282Wow porn is just not as common as people think. I also struggle doing characters.>>585537065No problem bwo! The red board threads have lots of useful tutorials.https://litter.catbox.moe/h824fn.png
>>585524570If you were a fire mage cata was the most fun wow ever was, certain raid mechanic cheeses made you a demigod, and combustion was the funnest spell ever made
>>585538029woah now, I said don't discard good in pursuit of perfect. Not lower your self-worth for someone who didn't try to keep you and/or hasn't reached out first.You're better than that.
>>585531310unless blacksmithing makes lionheart helmet perma-bis and corrupted ashbringer a crafted item and BoP engineering is still the best
>>585538503Godspeed anon, are you in any wowfg guild? need more level headed frens to enjoy the game with
>>585539712nope this is gonna be my first genuine experience with wow besides playing classic cata with some friends last february (for about 3 weeks, we got to max level then promptly quit), so I'm coming in bright eyed and bushy tailed and new fagged.I'm probably going to try my hand at the PVP server and maybe one character on the RP PVP server, I used to love forum roleplay so maybe I'll be able to pull some funny shit off.
>>585539873based, i will be rolling RP-PVP first and maybe have a few alts in RP-PVEat first light on the 4th day, at dawn, i'll try to reach out to you by "handheld anon" so we can talk furtherhave a great weekend!
