Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9689 - VMUnilla Edition==NEWS==>Discord server for some reasonhttps://x.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/2107231633082294555>SONIC PICO PARK on 12 November 2026https://picoparkgame.com/spp/>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond on 12 November 2026https://youtu.be/gg33XSAtdZM>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 on 19 March 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>Netflix animated series for preschoolers with attitude in productionhttps://variety.com/2026/film/news/crazy-taxi-movie-netflix-sega-sonic-stranger-than-heaven-1236861148/==COMICS==Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #4 - 11 November 2026Sonic and the Blade of Courage #18 - November 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #92 - 9 December 2026==OTHER==>Linkshttps://rentry.org/sthglinks>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ruPrevious Zone: >>585762494
*headpats your OC*
>>585829020Will give her another child and a grandchild.
Douge
>>585829110My OC kills you.
We don't just hate the comics. Archie fans and Satam fans are just really annoying because they insist these are IC. They hate the games. I wouldn't have a problem with these people if they respected the games. An Archie fag spent the first half of last thread calling game Eggman boring and Archie Eggman superior.
>>585829291impossible, I am eternal
>>585829020The VMU was cool. Shame it didn't take off, especially since batteries got more efficient, smaller and rechargeable.
>>585829385That can't be, only sparky is eternal.
>>585829364Thank God Jim Carrey understood the character, even if the writers and costume designers didn't.
>>585829110Headpats for the fallen?
Blazefags? where's blaze? i though you said she's a good character?
Stop telling me what i think, you don't even know me irl.>we think this, we think thatBitch, i'm not your astroturfing asset. Think about your business.
>>585829667It's been such a long time...
>>585829667of course, we must never forget
>>585829667>>585829980Wonder if any of them still come here?
>>585829867she isbetter than SHITver and Amy
Have a lovely tuesday!! innit
Would all female sonic characters.
CREAMNO DAUGHTER O MINE IS GOING TO BECOME A LESBIAN YOU ARE DRAWIN GAY PORN THIS INSTANT>BbutNOTHING BUT GAY PORN !!! YOU LOVE MENYOU LOVE MENYOU MARRY A MANYOU FUCK A MANYOU HAVE BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN WITH A MAN, PREFERABLY WITH BUCKY'O HARE HIMSELF.>But I wanted Bugs BunnyWell this is what happens when you draw lesbian porn. You want Bugs Bunny? YOU stop drawing him in drag and you stop drawing Amy & Surge kissing.
>>585830361your bit wasn't that funny to repeat twice bro
>>585830328Would what, chatting about gossip bullshit? All females do that.
>>585830212And you mate.
Sonic with a gun:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRDyBBAn2Ls
>>585830328I think I am in the same boat, I don't think there's a single sonic girl that I wouldn't bone
>>585830328
>>585829667Sex with flan
>>585830487>@DoreFatumDo you happen to be the anon that a while ago gave me his sonic folders?
>>585830735Probably. How ya been keeping? Good I hope.
>>585830126Then why nobody wants SHITaze? and why she doesn't have any merch with them? but GODver and GODmy do?
>>585830673Artist of picrel also first drew Sage (the sloth) IIRC.
>>585830835Except for when you want to turn somebody straight.
>>585831103evil...
>>585830835i didn't fap for 3 days and i feel free, but also very angry
>>585830212Thanks, you too.
>>585830835
>>585830835Blaze you're entire PR exists because of porn
>>585831201I didn't climax for 3 weeks cause I got far too angry at how everyone sucks at roleplay and how there's no women at the internet. I am going to go yell at /v/ that I am no longer horny.
>>585830121I don't know where else I'd talk about Sonic.
>>585830790The Woke is coming to an end. It's a good thing.
>>585830921I am okay, I hope you have been doing fantastic yourself. Yesterday I was actually organizing my folders even more. I am sure I seen you around recently but since I was just doing that thing yesterday, I thought I might just ask when I just saw you. I am still super thankful about the folders you gave me of amy and other cute sonic girls. I would ask for any new ones but of course there's no way you would know how to JUST get the new pics and folders since the last time I asked.
>>585831379>>585831387>Those obvious grammar mistakesGod fucking damnit The Internet IS making us dumber.
>>585831201use that anger to motivate your creative pursuits>>585831291>>585831379free yourselves from your lust
>>585831387Rape them for me too.They deserve it for posting "gaming is healing" with a slut pic.
>>585831526Stop self-replying
>>585831556Hi Scribbles
>>585831535Glad to hear it. Got myself a PS5 not long ago so been having fun on that. Haven't been saving many pics or anything like usual really so nothing to worry about there. Keep on keeping on!
>>585831569YES, CREATIVITY NEEDS VIOLENCE! and jesus too...
I love femanons.
>>585831702Fake news.
>>585831956They don't exist, man.
>>585831884Aw thank you, anon. You too.I hope you get Astrobot, I think is cool even though i don't own a PS5.
New Sonic Channel article talking about the technical aspects of Crossworldshttps://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/special/staffcolumn/sonicteamstaff/20261026_009437/
>>585832009Sure.
We're all men here.We all like evil women.
>>585831053this you?
>>585832318All me. Not >>585830790
>>585831956Plural..? I only know of the one female namefag here, so not really "anon" either. Who do you think are the femanons?
>>585832387evil men*
>>585831956I hate femanons because I wake up with Chris-chan in my face compared to the Samus-Aran I was expecting. And then there's the problem of intelligence and personality, nobody wants a 25 year old woman that behaves like a 12 year old boy yelling nigger dis nigger dat skibidi rizz boi
>>585832593*evil women
>>585832396No this
>>585832715evil men*
>>585831509Is there anywhere else? Reddit maybe.
>>585832708Meds?
>>585832832*evil women
>>585832832charming evil men & evil little girls you can take seriously as main characters*Git outta here you one-shots, you're not even good enough to be second rate secondaries.
>>585833156>>585832832You two should stop being gay and fuck.>inb4 that's what makes you go gay & lesbian, lol kek
>>585833171Get a life instead of samefagging and larping as foids, you cretin.
>>585833156evil men*
>>585832715>>585832832>>585832832evil bots**
Tails!
Wish I may, wish I mightBe someone else tonightSometimes I wish I was never born at allAnd I'll try to save the world'Cause in the end I knowI'm the chosen one
>>585833478>>585833514>and larping as foidsWhoah you were a tranny all along? Only trannies use words like cretin, you imbecile.
>>585833631This and Waking Up are my favourite ending songs from the game.
>>585833514*evil women
>>585833631
Rumble should add stages inspired by more games. Right now it only has Colors, Generations, and Lost World. It's not bad but it also feels very small. I thought they were still adding more, but I don't think I've seen new ones in a while
Club Chaos: A Sonic 35th Anniversary Celebrationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2iM_gYft1Q
>>585833673You're the tranny around here, someone so desperate for attention to pretend you're both a man and a woman like a fag in a dress:https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/585654027#585684880https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/585654027#585685046https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/585654027#585685173https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/585654027#585685254https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/585654027#585685330
>>585833939
>>585830212You too!
>>585833514The explorers discovered two types of canines, the arctic wolf and the forest wolf and named them accordingly. prankd
>>585834129https://litter.catbox.moe/cryqwb.jpg
>>585834056Crack are you having a meltie again? This isn't how you ask a guy out. Ask me out on Twitter, don't be a coward like a fat woman.
>>585834056>All those deleted postsWhy is literally every fucking poster on here a rampant shitposter. God forbid this place gets actual moderation because you'd all get permabanned from here due to ban evasion and this place would just die.
>>585829667>>585831097>>585831509OCfaggotry is off-topic
>>585834235still makes me giggle
>>585834446Half the anons who post in here are just /spg/ rejects festering and the other half are twitterspergs and possibly underages. It's kind of pathetic really.
>>585834446>and this place would just die.Well there's your answer. Are you ready to talk about Sonic through the AI?Sadly hiroshito will never implement that cause it costs actual money to generate stuff instead of letting ad-clicking /pol/bots copy-paste shit.
>>585834587Blow me.
>>585834446It was arenafag because his first post with the google doc link shilled was deleted too.
Soooooooare we doing something for #10.000?
>>585834129What the fuck is a nafl patch?
>>585834446It is genuinely so easy to ban evade on this site that you can do it on accident.
>>585834808Calling it quits.
Don't enter Anon Amy is changing in there
>>585834835Could've been "nipple".
>>585835026it's okay I'm a girl too
>>585834175Big Amy legs...
Evil women*
>>585834678>"Why do you have a penguin and a polar bear in your team?"
>>585834678Fuck off avatarfag, kill yourself dick sucker
>>585835026I barge in, rub her boobies, rub my face in her boobies, give her puss a quick kiss, pull her tail, kiss her on the cheek then kiss her on the lips, take the slap she'll give me then run like hell. Hope my bodycam was turned on too.
The archiveschizo did one thing and it was proving that at least half (probably more) of the posters on here are active shit stirrers and will actively cover for other posters just to continue the shit stirring. Foxcel and Fionafag actively gaslighting the thread is also annoying.
>>585835082*Throws you out especially* bitch, what point of women can't stand other women don't you get? you're not her sister or someshit and even then if she's disgusted by you haha.
>>585835168Evil fox woman that stinks good and I want to bully
>>585834887It's a small miracle some namefag didn't go to perm after inviting literal kids here.
>>585835082
>>585835168>>585834678>>585833730>>585833514evil werehog men*
>>585835384I don't think the issue has been notified to the mod team which is why nothing has been done about it. He should be perma'd for doing that. Same with the other namefag that asked for people to raid this place and still posts on here.
>>585835313>he thinks i'm the archive schizoI can't reach his level but i don't gaslight, i know this place is full of gayops.
What keeps you posting here anyway? nowhere else to go? ... force of habit?
>>585835776addiction
>>585835776Yes and yes. Also the cute girls.
>>585835776I don't want to make an account to talk about Sonic. Not to mention I might find something interesting here I like to look at.
>>5858357764chan sorta took over most of my social media interaction
>>585835776For me personally it's the fact I can call every last one of you every slur imaginable and you can't block me nor delete my post.
>>585835776Force of habit. There are no redeeming qualities to this place to keep coming back here but I still do out of pattern
*hides your post*
>>585836225Slurs don't bother me. If (You) really wanna piss me off you'll have to post tits.
Hey that's my thing, and I started it as the alternative to Shan't be engaging
>>585835904Sorry Maria
>>585836524Maria not a cute?!
How much grind to unlock kit if i want to play sonic rumble again from zero? Is he expensive?
>>585836692Maria is the Ultimate Cute for the Ultimate Lifeform
>>585836405We've had more ass and tits posted than any cocks. This place has too many women
>>585836405You know that's true cause there's actual fat titless women on here. Also you know why else I'm still posting on 4chan? Cause this place is going to be gone, it's already 80% dead. This is your last chance to post on 4chan, ever. You are not here forever. View it as a privilige cause all the other chans... they're 99% dead compared to 4chan. And the moderation on other imageboards? they downright post your dox there if you piss of the mods there, they're even worse.
>>585836893Bullshit, there's been loads of dickpics and only like 2 boob pics. It's sexist af!
What if Sonic was a Tung Tung Sahur?
>>585837049nani sore?
>>585836880
>>585836982You're obviously a newfag.>>585836893You're obviously an oldfag.I prefer not knowing who's behind the post cause I like imagining a hot business woman+man who's only pretending to be retarded cause that's what's expected of this place...I don't want to 100% realize that I am posting among the greasiest fattest Evan Stanleys possible except their skin is also orange cause they're a mixbred or asian.The pleasure of being anonymous is that you can pretend you've been talking to a racist sexist man-hating IBM foid this entire time and some literal Dilbert guy who make 400k a year and spends it all on conventions and fursuits.You can pretend you're talking to Mr Armstrong acting like a retarded 12 year old girl.
You whine whenever i'm not talking about games, but when i talk about games you ignore me.
My limit came when I realized one of the schizos on here copies the filenames of other posters. The copypasta poster also confounds me.
>>585835776It may be impossible to believe, but somehow, every other Sonic-based community I could use instead is worse.Subreddits? Discord servers? Twitter? The few remaining message boards that are even deader than here?Compared to them, this place is perfectly tolerable.
>>585837269Your perspectives and analysis are BORING
You'll never fully experience the Sonic fandom until a 9 year old tells you Shadow could beat you in a fight and you're a 40 year old.
>>585837292I'm convinced this place is inhabited by at least 5 schizos playing gayops with eachother on here 24/7.
This guy is so sad
Name their band.
>>585837376You know I agree on that ... this place at least pretends to not be ESL (even if everyone is), this place at least pretends to know English and pretends to be adults (mostly).compared to the absolute chinklish you find on DeviantArt and the literal 10 year olds on DeviantArt.
>>585835776Because I wanna prove that Sonic is awesome and mega maximum, and make myself known here. Its also full of freedom and and unfetteredness.
>>585837292>My limit came when I realized one of the schizos on here copies the filenames of other postersI do that
>>585837679>King Shadow and his bitches
Sonic nyot gyood.
>>585837679Bad Future
Why can't we have Adventure style gameplay? I can understand taking a break from it after 2006, but today? Even something like Shadow Generations ignores the Adventure gameplay, despite supposedly being the SA2 nostalgia celebration game. The original Generations itself ignored the Adventure gameplay with its two playable characters, and now that they made a third playable character for Generations it's still the Boost gameplay that Modern Sonic already represented.
>>585837679The Faggots
>>585838008Too difficult to replicate correctly.
>>585835776This is the only place where I can at least pretend that I am not talking to some mentally crippled subhuman or a literal child. However some of you break that immersion.
Shadow will never fuck your stupid waifu. Krack mogged you bitches. Archie is shit.
>>585838167I want a Sage daughter
>>585838167Sorry senpai.
>King Shadow>Enerjak>Anti-MobiusWhy were they doing that
>>585838167>sagr loves me for my ability to say niggerThat's kind of weird but i know what you mean.
4chan is total liberty and freedom (ish) for everything but small horses
>>585829423Indeed. https://files.catbox.moe/ulwnq7.mp4
>>585836524not sorry
not enough crackships
>>585838008The real answer is that Sonic Team simply have no vision and no confidence in their own ability, so they can only chase trends (nostalgia baiting, open world, mechanics popularised by Nintendo games) while falling back on something they know "works" (Boost).The Adventure era was the last time this franchise had an actual identity. Obviously the overall game quality was questionable, but the variety of gameplay styles, level design and music, alongside the multi-POV narratives, is what set Sonic apart from so many others.06 being an unfinished, buggy piece of shit should never have been the end of the Adventure style but I guess Boost's corridor runner design is easier for them to make because of how inherently hand-holding it is from both a player and developer perspective.
>>585838470>IDW had brief window of opportunity to make a Sonic x small horse crossover >They declined They knew how autistic both fandoms can get. Especially those who are in both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUuufhzzL9AWhy the FUCK did they change this to the lifeless stock final?
Dumb stupid grouchy sloth.
>>585838623more people should support Barkmy
>>585838167I know your options are here or twitter but I find them both equally as retarded but in different ways. I don't know why would you pick 4chan, no, a /vg/ SONIC general of all places to "pretend that I am not talking to some mentally crippled subhuman or child" when this is the place where you will get exactly that or worse than that
get a load of THIS
>>585838623Saltails and it's not even ooc for them.
Shadougefag, how do you feel about the line from Shadow to Rouge"You are one pathetic creature!"Or how about that scene in Sonic X where Shadow nearly left Rouge to die on purpose and had to be physically forced to rescue her.Or how about that scene in Sonic X where Rouge intentionally gives Shadow a panic attack by bringing up Maria and then smiles about it?How about that scene in Rivals where Rouge attacks Shadow after tricking him into trusting her?
I love cake.
>>585836692cute pig.
>>585839187
>>585838871
>>585838978I'm an oldfag and can't leave here so easily. Hell the reason why I found this place was for a entirely different reason at the time.
>>585838008Iizuka has said in an interview that the Adventure formula is a step backwards while Boost is the formula perfected, which is true even if we don't like it. Another thing is since SA1 onwards, the games were getting more streamlined and simpler for the casual audience.
>>585839181I don't think you're talking to me since I mostly lurk here but all those moments were realistic for their characters. Neither of them are good people. They're both morally gray at best. It's not some wholesome relationship and never was but that makes the moments where they actually do show care for each other feel even more genuine.
>>585839262
What Sonic characters get high?
>>585839394>which is trueForces plays nothing like Adventure.Also what is going on with your name.
>>585839376Well, I am kinda "new" to this place. I am curious as to what you have to say about your reason to be here. I mean still my points stands, this place is beyond autistic, saying that you use this place to talk to normal people is kinda weird to me
>>585839247>eating cale flavored with bump's assShould i feel disgusted or just horny?
>>585839679Knuckles and Amy
>>585839376>I'm an oldfag and can't leave here so easily
>>585839719cute
Sunk cost is a meme the mentally unwell cling to so they can excuse their executive dysfunction.
>>585838978The fuck happen bros? Where did the era of Geocities go? Where's my twinkle park, sonic hq, eggmanland, sonic style, sonic stadium, etc???
>>585838008>>585838128>>585838651I wouldn't mind the lack of new Adventure games as much as I do if they at least if they didn't often talk about the old games like they are mistakes that should be forgotten and never should have happened. I must have been a fool to them, to have enjoyed those games and supported their developers, if that's how the developers look back at them...
>>585840023In a world of mentally ill people, are we really ill? Or just sonic fans?
>>585838504Woo!
>>585840072Enshittification and Big Tech taking over the web
>>585839835I bet Amy would make some mean weed brownies.
>>585839690Canon ships
>>585838008Well, what IS Adventure Style Gameplay?
>>585840225
>>585839787I'm not the anon who made the original post. I treat this place more like a looney bin or a class of monkeys. I was just giving my perspective.
>>585840279That means everyone went down the route of teamartail? UBI when?
>>585838008The retarded rush gameplay was basically...retarded, more kids would be able to access and play the games because now you can win by just not doing anything
He's been doing it for over 2 hours now.
>>585840225>In a world of mentally ill people, are we really ill?
Listen i go to sleep good night sthg, and get some quality sleep you too, and abive all don't get raped. And pray the lord sonic is blessed next time and not cursed.
>>585840325It is 3D linear stages with more open environments, Spin Dash and Homing Attack the way they work in the Adventure games, Shields and Speed Shoes power ups, checkpoints that aren't forced on the player and need to be run through to activate, upgrades that open up different things in previous stages.It isn't a button that takes you forward and makes you invincible to nearly anything and can be used on anything, Homing Attack being used to land on things instead of as an attack, straight paths with automated movement where all you do is switch lanes left or right to avoid occasional obstacles, if at all, drifting, double jumps, 2D sections.
Sonic characters for this feel?
>>585841257Hedgehogs.
boost exists because casuals want to go fast and not struggle to control sonic in a 3d environment because they're all too used to mario and other platformers
How do i look up more actual japanese discussions on the series? i found some actual discussion but most xitter jp sonic accounts i click on to turn out to be yaoi sss accounts and it drowns the amount of discussion, are there better forums for it?
>>585840183You were a fool. All children are fools.
>>585840884
>>585841332Idk maybe a Discord could work
>>585841210>It isn't a button that takes you forward and makes you invincible to nearly anything and can be used on anythingLike Spindash?
Boy!
Spamming spindash repeatedly 1000 times a minute is the most efficient way to move quicky in the adventure games. That is why they are not a true translation of the classics.
Is it me or catbox just doesnt work every second day
>>585841456Spindash doesn't make you invincible, enemies with things like spikes on them can still stop you.
>>585841384Then in their eyes I must still be a fool as an adult, because I enjoy some of the games they put out. They could change their narrative and stop respecting their current output any moment. I'm not sure this is an appropriate way to treat fans.
>>585841903>muh efficiencyKys joyless speedrunner.
>>585841456Yes, but no.Functionally, sure, Spindash and Boost are the same, but it's their gameplay purpose that differs.Spindash is an optional enhancement that can be used to build speed from a stand still, defeat enemies or dash-jump to cross long gaps or explore off-path.Boost, however, is a requirement. You must always be holding Boost else you might not even be able to progress in certain parts of the level (more notable in the later games like Forces).
I hate that hedgehog
>>585829867Tbh even if they expand on SOL dimension i don't really see space for any other sol dimension versions of other characters beyond marine, they could show the locations in 3d or turn the dimension into its own thing but that would exist for it's own sake
>>585842094Scourge...
>>585841903I feel this was an oversight rather than a deliberate design choice.And speaking of the classics, they were full of those kinds of oversights. The spike bug in Sonic 1 is one such example.Perfectly translating or reacreating thing, I feel, is holding the series back from evolving. Some people want the classics remade perfectly, some want this for the adventure games, and so on.I feel that understanding the essence of Sonic is important to making good games that aren't just trying to recreate something that already exists, or even translating that thing into some new medium. If you understand the essence of good Sonic gameplay, you can make any number of decisions about what can and should be added or removed.
What Sonic characters rely on AI too much for their daily lives?
>>585841456The Spin Dash makes you dash forward when pressed. It's a move and an attack to be used considerably. In Adventure 1 Sonic can bounce around when hitting enemies with it if you aren't using it thoughtfully, and in Adventure 2 it actually stops Sonic/Shadow when defeating an enemy. The Boost is a button that you hold to run through enemies. This isn't even getting into how they differ movement wise, such as how the Boost can't be used to make certain jumps like the Spin Dash could, or how the Boost is used on things like Rails which basically make them no different from running on normal ground.
>>585842039It's bad design. You beat the game faster if you don't play as intended. The spindash is supposed to be faster the longer you hold it, but just mashing the button crosses more distance than doing that
>>585842297EggmanThere's no other answer, not even Tails has an ai and he probably never will
>>585842297......EGGMAN...?
>>585842039desu there's nothing wrong with his thinking. The game shouldn't promote using a gameplay style at odds with the philosophies are experience of the game so easily. While speedrunners always have and always will find exploits, these should require meticulous documentation and skilled execution. Spamming a button the game itself expects you to and even told you to push is different. It's the fault of the game for allowing that gameplay style, not the player that uses it.
>>585842247Adventure remakes would be a terrible idea. Most of the fun in those games comes from the free movement that lets you fuck with the level geometry. There goes against modern gaming standards.
>>585842358>but just mashing the button crosses more distance than doing thatAlmost like you're revving it up
>>585842572It does?
>>585842572Maybe "modern gaming standards" are shit then
>>585842039You don't even need to be a speed runner. A child will figure out that if you want to go super fast, there is nothing stopping you from just tapping B repeatedly. There is no punishment for this. It's like an infinite boost.itneven offers you more control by resetting your speed every other second instead of having to keep track of momentum.
>>585842618NTA but that is not what "revving it up" means.
There is nothing wrong with the way the Spin Dash works in SA1. If you want to go fast and are good enough at the game to handle the speed it gives you, you use it, otherwise you play more carefully and get better.
remember to draw today
lizard fucker died
remember to suck my dick
>>585842885Don't care virgin, I'm revving up my spindash
>>585842618Imagine if your car went faster by letting go of and smashing the gas over and over instead of just holding the gas.
Why can't we be friends?
>>585843272That'd be fucking sick
>>585842247>understanding the essence of Sonic is important to making good games that aren't just trying to recreate something that already exists, or even translating that thing into some new medium>If you understand the essence of good Sonic gameplay, you can make any number of decisions about what can and should be added or removed.While I agree with this, there will come a point where you'll end up going in circles to do similar things, as in reinventing the car
>>585842247I like your post, I think you make a good point. On the topic of making another Adventure game, I personally don't feel like they must do it, not anymore. I would like it to exist, but I guess I can go without it. I can replay the old games, and there are new and other games for me to enjoy. What upsets me more is that Sonic Team doesn't even respect those games or their fans anymore. If you play Sonic x Shadow Generations as your introduction to Sonic, you'll be left with the idea that the gameplay of those games isn't worth remembering and celebrating. Would a new Adventure like game would be a way to right that wrong? I don't know what they can do, after everything that has happened since 2010.
>>585843178Modernfags say you're rewarded for quick thinking and maintaining your speed but you don't actually need to do that. If you just spam spindash you never have to worry about momentum rolling you off of a platform or getting damaged by an unarmed enemy.
>>585843178Why don't you rev up this dick in your mouth bitch.
>>585843492Maybe I will what the fuck are you gonna do about it
>>585842572>the free movement>goes against modern gaming standardsIsn't this supposed to be the appeal of open world
>>585842731They are. They produce shit like Wolverine where the game is so "polished" it plays itself. Adventure remakes would remove all the fun.
I actually like that all 2000s video games have a method of movement that the developers didn't realize was better than the intended one. It's a feature.
>>585843403Well, the car was not reinvented so to speak, but reproduced. While reproducing the car is important, there comes a time for evolution. That's why electric cars exist, and soon maybe even flying cars. Or better yet, there may be another form of teleportation in the future even better than travelling by car.
I guess someone at Sonic Team got the memo since they nerfed the spindash in shth to make it effectively useless if it isn't held for a long time and 06 just nerfed it even more.
>>585843615What the fuck do you think, I'm gonna let you.
Sonic character likeliest to become a born again Christian?Amen.
>>585843668Clearly it wasn't a feature. They all were embarassed by it
>I'm gonna let youCap.
>>585843910>>585843615>>585843492Stop this tsundere shit before you know who gets an erection
>>585843963Vector
>>585844012It's me. I have the erection.
>>585843965Yeah, but it's fun. It's kind of funny how many activitision and ubisoft licensed platformers make the fastestt method of travel just spamming a dodge or attack button. I think one of the Harry Potter games has it so that the fastest way to get through certain areas is standing sideways and spamming dodge. I miss bullshit like that.
>>585843963Probably someone that doesn't value purity and how things are actually supposed to be. So Ian FlynnOh, you said character. Idk, Vanilla is a Japanese pokémon right? Dunno how religious they are
>>585843668What are you referring to
>>585843965Now go to /v/ and watch everyone tell you that Mario 64 is the best game of all time because it has BLJs, firsties and speedkicks
>>585844012Too late.
>>585844313meant to say Pokémom*
>>585844374Mario 64 pioneered 3D platformers. SA1 came out three year's after it.
>>585844594That has nothing to do with what I said
>>585843745Sonic is at the point where evolving into teleportation or a flying car is the only way to distinguish itself from it's predecessors
>>585844659Yes it does. Innovation demands respect. Adventure games focused on spectacle over game design and aged worse as a result
>>585837292Anon, I told you how files work, right? You save the file, and it keeps the same filename and properties. That's how files work. It's not "one of the schizos on here." It's literally every file on the fucking internet.
>>585844340he's talking about how 2000s games dabbled in dodging and dashes but also didn't add any drawback or reason not to just spam a button you're not supposed to spam. Like that TMNT game where you can stunock enemies and basically be invisible by just jump attacking and never stopping.
>>585844789No, it does not. You're changing the subject. The assertions in your post aren't even accurate, on top of being irrelevant. The post was about unintended mechanics giving faster movement than intended mechanics. Mario 64 is full of such glitches or quirks and is loved because of those glitches, movement tricks allowing faster movement are not typically considered embarrassing like >>585843965 claimed
>>585844862Not renaming the file is psychotic
>>585845150Why the fuck would you waste time and effort renaming the file?
The best part is when a character has a specific line for a move so if you want to speed run you have to hear "TAAAAKE THIS!" 3000 times
>>585845095The problem is that all that shit in Mario was discovered over years rather than immediately abused like in SA1. Not to mention only one playstyle in that game is fun
>>585845284WOOOOH WOOOOH WOOOOH FEELIN GOOD
>>585845378This is soulful and kino, though.
>>585845190So its organized when you wanna find it??
>>585845378You get it
>>585844862I find it very unusual how there seems to be a concentrated effort to obscure posts.
>>585845284ANNIHILATIONCHARGEANNIHILATIONCHARGEANNIHILATIONCHARGEANNIHILATIONCHARGEANNIHILATIONCHARGE
>>585845352There is no problem. The Nintendo 64 sold like shit, most people have started playing Mario 64 long after those mechanics were discovered (which was rather early on) and most got into it and are still getting into it because of them
>>585845485...Yeah? And what if the file name already does that? I saw someone post IanDoesntUnderstandFemaleCharacters.jpg like two days ago and that one's mine. I didn't call the other user a schizo because they didn't change the name.
Rise of Lyric having 300000 trillion different lines for a single action
>>585845715Some nice variety in theory
>>585845715Bounce pad!
>>585845583
Perci and Shadow have gameplay dialogue in the boom game files even though they are never playable in any of those games
>>585843462The original sin of Sonic Team was acquiescing to a prevailing fan sentiment that Sonic's transition to 3D was their true original sin - which it wasn't.This concession caused them to split Sonic into multiple forms, most commonly now being Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic. That's why Adventure Sonic seems to get shafted here; they're separating 2D Sonic and 3D Sonic, but there's more to Sonic than just this binary state.The way to right the wrong is to make Sonic whole again, rather than the sum of his parts. There should be no "versions" of Sonic, only eras. Sonic is Sonic - One Brand.
>>585845926Amy infamously compliments Perci during a fight in the final game because they used the wrong voice line.
>>585846152That shit has long sailed. It's over.
>>585834321Hotred?
>>585846491What the fuck is this gif meant to convey
>>585845850I hate how obvious it is that these were 3D models that were traced over and later edited with pencil strokes. I mean ffs you can literally still see the original sketch that was meant to be deleted on Amy. These people are getting paid for this btw.
Shadow and who?
>>585846837Being efficient at your job is bad?
>>585846152Only Adventurefags talk like this. The worst part is they act like a persecuted Christian, insisting their way of Sonic is right and the best
>>585846959(You)
>>585846837The lazy mouth edit on Tails gets me. I don't even think that was drawn, I think it's literally just a typical png the artist got somewhere online and slapped it onto him.
>>585843662In fact this is why Modern Sonic games are as automated as they are. Take the ramps for example. They used to have a set amount of energy and would launch you forrward, but this could sometimes result in you falling to your death if you didn't hold forward. Nowadays, ramps take you to exactly where you need to go. I'm not necessarily saying that is abad thing, but it's an example of SEGA being proactive about the player's experience. A lof opeople online would say things like "I DIED AT THE SCRIPTED SEQUENCE" for the old games, and SEGA made efforts to avoid letting stuff like that happen. This is also why they changed the light speed dash and how that works. If you played the old games I don't even have to tell you about that. But again, I don't even necessarily disagree with that decision necessarily. One that I do disagree with is the decision to keep the player from being able to control the camera. This decision is made to keep the player on a specific track so the designers have more control over where the player is allowed to, and supposed to, go. Personally, I think we can have the best of both worlds, but trying to force a specific experience on all players is the goal here, and as you pointed out, it's not just something we see in Sonic games nowadays either, but lots of triple A games.
>>585846959Maria if she had lived to the age of 18
>>585847076>but this could sometimes result in you falling to your death if you didn't hold forwardWhy are you picking such a shitty example? This shouldnt have been the case to begin with, its bad
>>585843963Espio, for spending too much time around Vector.
>>585846975Can these people at least try to look like they're professionals at least? These are products that are expected to be paid for at the end of the day. Seeing obvious lineart and sketches that were supposed to be deleted in the final product is just sad really.
>>585847180You're wrong >>585847076You're based
>>585846152I think this too, but lately if I'll mention this I can't even communicate it to some people. They can't seem to conceptualize the idea of the series not being split, and tell me that I shouldn't want the "two" brands to be "mixed and matched willynilly", that I'm a hypocrite for not "wanting to allow both", and act like the things I liked from those games didn't exist or should have never existed, or act as if I hate games like Superstars and don't want them to exist, which isn't true at all. I don't even know how to communicate this anymore. SEGA also appears to be entirely unconcerned by this problem, as they're still in full support of this division, and if anything only seem to want to make the contrast between Classic and Modern stronger than ever going by what they did with Superstars and Frontiers.
>>585847076>They used to have a set amount of energy and would launch you forrward, but this could sometimes result in you falling to your death if you didn't hold forward.Then there's the opposite where holding forward would cause you to die instead, and it was a per-game gamble on which one you were getting when you hit a ramp.
>>585847280You expect quality from Sonic?
I remember a while back people were mad because in heroes in shth you can die by not specifically aiming for the dash pad and accidentally running next to it and falling into a pit. They felt that the hitbox for the dash pad should be so big that this can't happen or the dash pad should take up the entire doorway. I think this was a nice check to make sure you're paying attention to the game instead of just running.
>>585847040I agree with that post and I don't think Adventure is the only correct way to make a Sonic game, I like some Sonic games in all styles
>>585845095Anon I'm gonna be real with you right now okay? This is literally the "Know the Workplace Rules" of video games. A bug is a feature if and only if it is well received. I know this from experience. Wavedashing, sidestep cancelling, korean backdash, and more are all bugs. But wait, being capable of this means you're le skilled. Thus, they are not bugs, they are features, and must be in every Tekken game from now on.
>>585847565>try it once, see what happens, adjust within 10 secondsWow these video games are literally unplayable, you have to adjust to their controls when playing
>>585841330Correct
>>585844687Teleportation was a freudian slip btw I meant transportation but anyway if Sonic did the equivalent of those things right now he'd unironically have evolved the entire medium of video games.
>>585847817It's fine once you learn which one you're dealing with, even though I know some retards on YouTube have problems with it, but it was still a complete guess as to which one you were getting with each new game until they managed to fully automate it.
>>585841903Can't speak for SA1 but for SA2 this isn't true because that goes against the logic of the ranking system.
>>585845583>ANNIHIHARGEANNIHIHARGEANNIHIHARGEANNIHIHARGEANNIHIHARGEANNIHIHARGEftfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V45tbNo6Lqg
>>585847758I know. Reception is just opinion. It becomes an issue where it breaks the game, as in it does not function, like a softlock. Using the Spin Dash over and over in SA1 isn't even a glitch, it's just a mechanic that can be used to reach high speeds, it's just how it works. You might like it or you might not, but saying it's something everyone should find embarrassing is silly. And provably wrong, given that there are games that are loved for such quirks or glitches. It's not unreasonable that someone would enjoy SA1 for something like this either, and in fact many do
>>585846959Maria pregnant with octuplets
>>585847618I saw those posts too the other day and I 100% agree with you. I find it insane that people complain about having to pay attention to the game and mind where they're going
>>585846837You know what I want to correct myself here, looking at it further I think the Amy in that panel is LITERALLY just a picture of her 3D model with a hand drawn and some minor penciling to try and not make her look so awkward. You can actually tell by just the thickness of the lines that the pink where her arm is connected was an edit to something that was already there. You can tell because the end of her dress is drawn with a different thickness. I think this artist literally just pasted a face forward picture of 3D Amy, did some 5 minute edits to it to make it look like she was turning and then left it.
Compare the adventure game to modern AAA games where you can do all of this stuff by just pressing forward and there's no actual risk of getting killed. If they went back to the Sonic Adventure style of gameplay a lot of journalists would hate it.
>>585848460That's because Sonic not good.
>>585846837you can literally still see the original sketch that was meant to be deleted on Amy>>585848415I cant see shit
>>585847618>>585848394Kinda weird to run defense for notoriously shitty 3D controls that regularly just janked you in other directions for no real reason that people have complained about for 20-25 years, but sure.
Had my second tire related incident this monthA random nail went straight into my tire in the middle of the road
>>585848460Sonic Team shouldn't care what the game journalists think. The games are for the fans, not the journalists
>>585848615No friends to vent at so blogpost?
>>585848460I legitimately believe the Tomb Raider remakes trilogy destroyed gaming. It created walk and talk sections, set pieces where you hold forward and the character does everything. Over the shoulder bullshit where it doesn't belong.
>>585848606It was a clip of someone jumping down a bottom less pit and falling instead of hitting the ramp. He said it's the game's fault for having a failure state in that part of the level, instead of making the ramp automatic when you get close to it.
>>585846152We dont need Fang in Modern
>>585848846They'll crucify you for being right
>>585848840I mean if he jumped the ramp it's his own damn fault. But the games from like 1998-2005 really would just throw you as soon as the camera turned a little sometimes. SA2 was generally good about making sure you couldn't really miss the boosters, though.
>>585848576The pencil edit was made because the original image had her facing forward, you can tell because both of her eyes would be leveled if they didn't edit it. If this was actually drawn, why the hell would the artist have Amy facing and looking forward initially and then edit her entire stance afterwards.Her hand and arm is an entirely different thickness to the rest of her body on top of that and the end of her dress that clips off the panel and re-emerges has the same thickness. Either this was drawn by two completely different people at different points of editing or this is a pasted image, later edited and somehow the artist didn't catch that they left the outlines of the original image still visible.
>>585848606I don't know if I'd win a debate on this subject but I believe that the controls in Shadow the Hedgehog are fine in all versions. People say that it's hard not to careen off of platforms but I feel like a lot of people trick themselves into thinking the speed in the game is "real" and that there is nothing they can do if they're moving 400 MPH and lose control. In Shadow the Hedgehog, you stop running the instant you let go of a button. If you want control back you just let go. Shadow stops on a dime. When you realize this, the game becomes very easy.
I just wish you'd hold me one more time
>>585849064The only things I see that you're talking about are her eyes. And the eyebrow line that corresponds with it
>>585848679No developer should but they all do and Sega aren't going to pay for good reviews.Everything needs to be automated and simplified as much as possible so journalists don't feel bad.Unfortunately, Sega/ST took it a step too far by actively trying to please journalists by making fun of their own games. It's embarrassing.
Shth makes sure the characters wording matches the tutorial bubbles but why does Amy know to say "Use the Aliens' powers to crawl along the slime!" The other characters say this in a way that downplays any information. Amy was on the ARK confirmed.
>>585849270You can literally see the shitty pencil edit they did with Amy's muzzle in the image because they had to readjust her entire head direction.
>>585847040>all Sonics should be one>only adventurefags think this and they think their way is the only wayWhat did you mean by this
>>585849568Shadow schlorps in public.
Bring back schlorp posting.
>>585849646aaaaaaaaaa.... the boys...
If not Goku then why Goku shaped?
>>585849568Trip told her when they met up, she learned it when she was fighting the aliens offscreen with Fang, Bark, Bean, Mighty, Ray, Honey, Kip, Heavy, Bomb, Heavy King, Heavy Rider, Heavy Magician, Heavy Shinobi, Heavy Gunner, Metal Knuckles, Tails Doll, Metal Tails, Metal NiGHTS, Metal Amy, Metal Trip
Another time is treated as ''world'' in japanese
>>585849631Ok I see that above her muzzle
the mega collection menu theme makes me think of Blinx
>>585849329The meta era devastated this franchise. Its effects are still felt today in the games
>>585850310Nobody played Blinx nigga
>>585850034So is dimension. Its all Sekai
>>585850497I played Blinx, I also had a buddy in middle school that had the co-op game and we played together
>>585848679In 2003, Iizuka said that their goal with Sonic Heroes was to appeal to a new audience, at the time that being the Nintendo/PlayStation/Xbox console owners. He contrasted that with the approach they used when making Sonic 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic Adventure, and Sonic Adventure 2, where they felt secure in appealing to their established fanbase because they thought they were secured through owning SEGA hardware. Expanding the audience has been the goal of nearly every Sonic since. You could see this approach with Shadow's game. You could see this approach with Sonic 2006, reinterpreting the original game's concepts for a new hardware generation with a darker tone. You could see this approach with Sonic Unleashed, completely reinventing the gameplay. You could see this approach with Sonic Colors, and with Sonic Lost World, and with Sonic Boom. You can see this right now with all the crossovers, and the new Open Zone gameplay to attract another new audience. In 2017 Iizuka said that he does not want to give Adventure fans what they want because it wouldn't advance the series, by which I assume he meant expanding to a new audience. They haven't made Sonic games specifically for people who like Sonic since 2001 by their own admission, with Mania, a game targeted at a very small subset of fans, being the only notable exception. I'm not sure this strategy has been effective, but they're probably interpreting the recent Paramount success as the result of it.
>>585850591people got confused with ''sonic from another dimension'' for years
>>585849646What part is confusing?Most Classic fans like the split. Modern fans who like both Adventure and the good Boost games don't care.It's only Adventure fans that believe they were personally screwed over because they didn't get their magical brand cutoff point. If Adventure Sonic happened in Gens they'd eat it up like Classic fans eat their split
>>585850839what's confusing about it?
>>585850707>reinterpreting the original game's conceptsAre you really gonna sit here and pretend Sonic 06 iterates on 'Sonic 1' concepts?
>>585850996>>585850991Sekai means worldwhich can mean both different time period and a whole other dimensionlocalizations choose ''dimension''but classic sonic was still ''past sonic'' all along because ''sekai''confusing more from a lore standpoint than fagging one
>>585850034>>585850591
I think all localizations are not canon
>>585851148And somehow we should believe in the entire localization process not a single translator could coordinate with anyone writing and clarify if world meant time era or dimensionOf which, Mania was already created with happening after post-Gens in mind
>>585851067I'm not pretending anything. It's what the game's director has said repeatedly in interviews, it was the core concept for the game and their intention with the Sonic/Elise story. It sounds weird at first because they are very different, but you can see what he's talking about if you look at Sonic 1's Japanese manual and both used and scrapped production material. I'm not saying that those two games are the same
>>585851137it seems like JP just use sekai as an umbrella term to encapsulate the concept of "another place", while EN will use specific words to differentiate
>>585851427Elise is not Madonna bro. And nothing else about Soleanna and Solaris ties back to Sonic 1 concepts.
>sekaiDidn't people used to claim Iizuka simply meant two different places, when he literally meant two planets.
>>585851427>>585851067I think the main thing is the marie garnet story, where sonic appears to save a troubled girl, then disappear later
>>585847180Well it's more nuanced than being "good" or "bad". On one hand, why would you allow that to happen as the designer? On the other hand, couldn't you introduce the player to ramps in a safe environment first to let them understand they do have a share of the responsibility when using them, and THEN put them in a scenario where they may die if they just assume a ramp or adjacent will put them where they need to be and don't position themselves correctly?What's more important here I think is understanding the "why" rather than judging whether any of these decisions were good or bad.
>>585850621I thought it was weird we never actually meet the real Maria.
>>585851334Thanks to SA2, Eggman's localization name "Robotnik" is canonically his real name.
>>585850991Im a fan of sonic im general with a preference for Adventure and Classic and who thinks boost is kind of slop.I don't have a problem with the split and think anti-splirfag is annoying.I dont think it has anything to do with being an adventurefag. Its about them hating that Classicucks "get their way" and believes they deserve nothing amd sees the split as a scar that proves they got a win over him.He strikes me as being like the Archiefags who just engage in fandom imperialism
>>585851529I never said Madonna and Elise are the same character, or that Solaris has anything to do with this. That is still an example of Sonic being paired with a human woman though. This is all besides the point though, the game's director has said that this is what he was trying to do with the game. You're free to think he did a bad job, but it doesn't change that this was his intent and goal>>585851603I agree, Elise's story fits that structure and expands on that theme. Of course the connection won't be apparent to anyone though, since the original concept story from 1990 is such an obscure piece of trivia only relatively few Sonic fans know. Even the manuals aren't well known
>>585851817>Thanks to SA2They were already using the name Robotnik in Japanese in 1994. Triple Trouble and Sonic Jam used it, and Naka approved and explained the name in Japanese interviews
>>585847485I've experienced exactly what you're talking about. This is an issue with SEGA taking the opposite extreme of Nintendo and being too catering to fans. And by "to fans" I mean what they believe MOST fans want, ignoring any other voices. There's not much I can say about that except that I hope it changes.
>>585851473Well, they differentiate technically (jigen means dimension, and it is what is used in 06 silver story ending) but normally its all sekai including past, future and ''blaze world''
>>585851529Soleanna and Solaris doesn't tie to fucking anything
>>585847565Yeah, pretty much. Even I was annoyed by it at times, but my takeaway was you just have to get a "feel" for how far you'll go and adjust as needed.
>>585852114It's kinda theme slop because sun is connected to royalty(amaterasu) though sun is also connected to sonic himself somehow
>>585847618I agree but sometimes the walkways in the games back then were unironically too narrow for a character that moves at 1k mph.
>>58585188906's problem in general(besides loading screens or glitches) was being too esoteric about what it was trying to do. no one from the en side would know about marie garnet story in year 2006
>>585848679Sonic games are for making people Sonic fans, not for mindless Sonic fan service. I don't think Sonic Team should listen to journalists either, but that's only to the degree that ST doesn't come up with things on their own and just listens to what people online say.
>>585852091I think what upsets me the most is that this creates and encourages division among fans. Of course that exists regardless, but this frustration being officialized makes it worse because it makes it clear that you can get what you want by being loud and attacking others, where they could instead be friends if each era or gameplay style was respected and treated equally
>>585852083SA2 made it unambiguous because it was mainline game made by ST. Regardless of when or where it was introduced to the Japanese side of the franchise, it's still a localization name that is canon.
>>585848846Say that again. Go on.
Today was a bad day, please post your finest wolves
>>585851889>>585852462I think elise's story works just fine if you aren't approaching it in a ''eww bestiality'' or ''i wanted sonic to destroy monsters and do cool shit instead'' way but it is still understandable people would think it's final fantasy stuff put in a sonic game in the year 2006 with no access to obscure inside info
>>585848846I have yet to see any good reasons against it?
>>585852973We already have a Modern Fang.
>>585850991What's confusing is lumping me in with whoever it is you've been interacting with.Hilariously though, if Adventure Sonic happened in Gens I WOULD have eaten it up cause that would've been fucking awesome.However, it would not change my stance. Actually, I'd believe in it more adamantly because the series would be even MORE split at that point.
darkagebabs thinking they are seriously any better the before and after them lmaoAs if their very own shit isn't pretty much what has culminated to Sonic as nowadays.
>>585853031ok
>>585852907>it's still a localization nameI am inclined to believe the name Robotnik came from the US and later slowly adopted into Japanese material, but have we ever received direct evidence or confirmation from the Japanese side? When I looked into it, the origin story I found for the name Robotnik was some Sonic Retro user who claims to have come up with it. His proof was that his name (the guy's name, not Robotnik) was mentioned on some SoA book under Special Thanks. 90s SoA has had a history of trying to steal credit for Sonic's creation and other early aspects of the series, so I think it would be good to investigate further
>>585853031Here you go Whisperfag, hopefully tomorrow goes better for you.
>>585853190Fang has never fought the Chaotix lmao that was some Archietard larping
>>585853213SA1 and 2 are the dark age?
>>585851875Am I this antisplitfag you're talking about? Regardless, your post is ironically a result of the split. You're a symptom of the real biggest problem with the split: splitting the brand split the fandom. You named like fucking 3-4 different boogeymen you though I was. Why can't I just be a Sonic fan instead of classicfag adventurefag archifag whateverthefuckfag? Will this shit literally ever end?
>>585848846We don't need the games to be so divided to the point that you can make posts like this.
>>585851427I read something like this during that time and I still never use it in any discussion because it's hilarious to think that Sonic 06 was supposed to be bringing Sonic back to its roots when it draws most of its GAMEPLAY inspiration from the most recent games of the time: Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, and Shadow the Hedgehog.
>>585852774Agreed
>>585851875I am an "antisplitfag". I don't think fans of the Mega Drive games deserve nothing. I am a fan of the Mega Drive games myself, but that aside, even if I weren't I would be happy for them that Mania and Superstars exist. I don't want to erase those games. I simply don't like that they, and the Mega Drive games, are marketed as a separate series
>>585853554Archie is actually different canon from the game canonbut the classic/modernshit can die in a fire>durr your just a modernfag lmao!I would be completely fine with killing of Modern and it's characters and let Classic be the default brand if it means putting an end to all this
The same dynamic as Sonic and Surge
>>585853450Sonic the Fighters.
>>585854137Okay come on. This namefag joke writes itself.
>>585853829It's because it largely wasn't about gameplay, it was about Sonic's personality and attitude, and inspiring mascot status who changes people's lives. The only part of those interviews that's relevant for gameplay is the mach speed sections, which Nakamura says are supposed to illustrate Sonic's speed, which he sees as the other fundamental aspect of the Sonic 1 concepts, beside Sonic's personality and role.
>>585853554>Why can't I just be a Sonic fanBy the way, this is exactly how Archie fans talk and then pretend their loyalties aren't a problemNot saying being an Adventurefag is anything close to being as bad as an Archiefag, but what is similar is the allegiance to an agenda while pretending you don't have one and that you "just love Sonic"
>>585852973Waluigi The Jerboa doesnt need to be in Modernhttps://youtu.be/EXwczFhVNX0
>>585854272nta but yes, you are right . Archie fans will say "I'm just a sonic fan, what's wrong with liking my version of Sonic?" and they will want to replace characters from the games with their archie version. Just like how the Archie fag from last thread wanted to replace game eggman with Archie eggman so he could have his shitty eggbosses
>>585853941The Mega Drive games are not marketed as a separate series. Sonic 1 is still treated as the beginning of even Modern Sonic's chronology AND gameplay evolution. The separate subbrand starts from Mania and Superstars.
>loyalties>allegiance>agendaIt's a children's franchise about a silly cartoon hedgehog. Can you calm down?
>>585854118The problem with that then is that they'll declare it a classicfag victory. The real solution is letting Sonic games have proper and varied art direction instead of forcing certain artistic aspects depending on which of the two brands it is being made for.
>>585853156>againstI have not seen a good reason for it.Him being in modern is a proposition, not a right.>>585853597Yes we do because Fang gets used in Classic but never would otherwise.
>>585854179That's not Fang fighting the Chaotix. That is Fang fighting Espio, and narratively they are doing it for Chaos Emeralds and the right to challenge Eggman. Regardless, we do not even know if they fought, considering it's pretty obvious Super Sonic would be the canon endinf
>>585853531>Are the games that are about war, miltary conspiracies, terrorism, citywide destruction and death part of the Dark Age?
>>585853531Depends to some. They can be because they started the automation and story emphasis (and what >>585854584 said), or they can't be and that's Heroes and forward because that's a year before Sega Sammy came up, had the autism with making every character playable, was after Dreamcast died and SEGA went third party, getting themselves enshifficated.
>>585854465Sonic Origins.
>>585854482I am typing literally from the shitter. I'm as calm as can be but contrarily you seem to be the one miffed about it, like we can't take about the fandom of a children's series in a sophisticated and analytical manner
>>585853554You sound like feminists talking about thr patriarchy. Tell me more about my internalized 1-timelinephobia or whatever.
>>585854504I don't care who wins if it means we can just have a Sonic that's allowed do whatever without shitty arbitrary branding rules
>>585854692...are the Origins for Modern Sonic as well. It is "where Sonic began" which includes the Modern Sonic and his games and his history. It's not marketed as "classic brand" as it doesn't include Mania and Superstars, it's just Sonic's past
>>585853554I completely agree with this. I find it so sad.
>>585854579>That's not Fang fighting the Chaotix. That is Fang fighting Espio (a member of the Chaotix).
>>585854790>do whateverAgain this is how Archiefags talk
Okay but what did classicfags did wrong to begin with? Wouldn't they be the ones literally in the right side of history, since genesis games and Mania is agreed to be great universally and had the actual golden age for Sonic?
>>585854987In a fight that possibly didn't even happen in first place and is as canon as Tails in CD
>>585853352>>585853443Thanks bros
The classicfag is the Hesseposter btw. You can stop engaging with him knowing that he's a schizo who's been here for 8 years doing this.
>>585855005Is this bait to ruin the discussion? Nobody is accusing Classicfags of doing something wrong. You making this about 'beloved games' is torpedo-ing discussion
>>585854457>>585854272>>585854992Weird astrosurfing.
I was originally just talking about the gens to forces retcon wasn't even actually a retcon in japanese. rather than split or anti splitfagging.
>>585854790See, I agree with you, but the way you framed it earlier used the split binary, so it implied that they would only keep the Classic branding rules, instead of being allowed to just make Sonic games taking aspects from any prior game or doing new things without that being a concern
>>585855163>Is this bait to ruin the discussion?No, but most of you guys talk like classicfags literally bullied you on highschool on every occasion possible.
>>585854692Sonic Origins was literally released to set up for Frontiers and court new fans from the movies so they know the origins of the core cast characters in the game.
>>585855287>in japaneseYou cannot talk about the differences here without people devolving into screeching.
>>585854457I agree with that other anon, I'm anti split, I don't want to replace anything with "my versions", that doesn't even make sense given I like games from all eras
Nobody at Sonic Team is pitching to develop a Modern game starring Fang and then getting shot down for it.
>>585854842He knows this, but the fact some neckbeards on Retro rub their hands insisting this is proof the two were never connected and Modern is canceled fanfic or whatever is too much for him to handle.
>>585855615You're replying to a subtle baiting troll.
The funny thing is if we got a Sonic Adventure Mania, none of the Classic split stuff would apply to it because the modern cast are already in all the post-Adventure cutoff games. The only thing that might become locked are any new OCs
>>585854861>self replying
https://x.com/BraviaGames/status/1782000682624540944
>>585855071>as canon as Tails in CDwhich is to say, pretty canon! (only thanks to time travel shenanigans)
I like the idea of Classic and Modern teaming up. Anti-splitfags are erasing my Sonics.
You can't be an everythingfag, you will always fit in a category
>BraviaGamesNo and stop shilling your own shitter.
>>585854842No anon, SEGA has been marketing Sonic 1, 2, 3K, and CD as Classic Sonic since at least 2017. They're separated on Sonic Channel. Pic related is coming out this year
>>585855782The classic games don't matter to SA1, and SA1 already makes all the classic games not matter to anything that came after it.
>>585855989Sonic 2 was originally going to have time travel if i am not wrong
>>585856145See how you have to be disingenous and ignore the packaging of Mania and Superstars with it to prove this point? News flash, it is literally classic Sonic before capital C Classic became a thing, those are the classic games before the Classic games
I reject your labels
>>585856240Adventurefags don't care about Adventure's dismissal of Classic Sonic>>585856346Rejectlabelfag
>>585855712You know full well that those "neckbeards on Retro" are the reason the split happened. SEGA always listens to the loudest feedback and overcorrects.
>>5858560731991-2009 is what I consider "Sonic", what category do I belong?
>abloo abloooo fuck archiefags they don't know anything they hate the games they just wanna replace characters fuck themfuck them fuck themfuck themfuck them>lol classicfags and their cocksucking for their shitty classic retarded characters fucking let it go you retards modern characters are here to stay and are 1000000x better amirite xd
>>585856410In this instance, while I don't want Sega to listen to bad faith feedback anymore, I am glad it happened this one time for what it gave us
>>585856326How am I ignoring anything? They put Sonic 1-2-3K-CD on the Classic Sonic connection because they see it as part of the Classic Sonic series, separated from Modern Sonic.
You can't label me because you've already labeled me everything. Thus I am the everythingfag.
>>585856472You're as bad as a splitfag, maybe even worse, just a different type of split that isn't corporately backed
>>585856516Are you not amused?
>>585856668>just a different type of split that isn't corporately backedI fail to see what's negative about this
>>585855517Sonic Origins was released as part of the Classic Sonic brand.>>585856240This is completely false.
>>585856797It's hypocritical and exactly what's been being explained here. People who hate the split just hate it wasn't THEIR split that THEY want. Adventurefags want their own pre-2005 split. That guy wants a pre-2009 split.
>>585856774Oh I am.
>>585856025How about we do that team up one time, maybe even twice, maybe even different types of team ups with different points in time, without turning the games into two separate competing brands that exclude aspects of one another? Why must Generations define the entire series to the point it erases its history and pretends certain games never existed?
>>585857118How is history erased when Modern Amy references the nu-Classic Trip?
I'll do you one better! Stop calling me everythingfag!!!
>>585857118Sonic Generations wasn't a game, it was an investment
>>585856582>what it gave usFucking up the series even further? They didn't need to do this to make Superstars
>>585856472Boomer Sonic fan, probably fit into the category of picrel 2009 was 17 years ago.Why is 2009 your cut off? What makes stuff from after 2009 "not Sonic", and if it's not Sonic, what is it?
I envy Mariofags and Kirbyfags not having to deal with this kind of autistic branding shit
>>585857352>"fucking up the series"Because you're assblasted that Fang is never gonna be in Modern? Something they had 8 years after Heroes to do and never bothered?
>>585857118That's too convoluted for no reason and ruins the point.Generations ends with Sonic inspiring Classic Sonic and getting him to practice/try doing the Homing Attack and Boost.The Flynn meme idea of "then they all forgot everything" ruins the point if what little story the game had. It also makes Mania and Forces tie it make no sense.
This split was inevitable because Sonic was never good.
I predict by 2040 or maybe further along people on this fandom will see just how godawful and elitist were all the 2000sfags, and then unironically feel for some empathy to classicfags and even some of youtubers.
>>585857562The games don't use the Flynn-forgot idea, they just "don't really think about it", which many people before that explanation felt was in-character for Sonic
>>585857253It's saying everything from 1998 is Modern Sonic and represented by the boost Modern Sonic gameplay, while everything before 1998 is Classic Sonic and represented by the new Classic Sonic brand. It's ignoring that Sonic Adventure didn't look or play like Generations. It's ignoring that the earlier 90s games don't look, or sound, or are written like Superstars or Mania Adventures or whatever. You think a character introduced in 2023 is history when that's just current, this should be enough to answer that. The current branding rules have no room for what the series was actually like in the 90s, just their new version that has the goal of erasing the actual history.
>>585857617What do you think the world would look like if Sega didn't scrub out of the console wars so early?
>>585857617The split wouldn't exist if Sonic and friends never got redesigned, that's how weak this split is
>>585857617You're right, how could we forget that?
>>585857495Yeah, Mario and Kirby knew to do their radical redesign and thematic reorientation early and not almost a decade after the fact.
>>585856582Same. I LIKE the Classicverse. I do not care that losers on Retro are hyucking it up. I am not that petty and pathetic lol.I wanna see Amy meet Classic Amy and that can't happen and make sense or be satisfying without a split.
>>585857562There's nothing convoluted about it. Sonic time traveled once and met his past self, and he looked different for a funny out of universe reason. It could be left at that, without making it two different series that have crossovers, which is what's actually convoluted.
>>585857692But things like Tailstube and supplementary material do.
Give me a long list of what the Classic Sonic series is not allowed to doI would love to hear it
>>585857804I like that attitude
>>585857484Nostalgiafagging is so stupid and annoying, thanks for that pic lol
>>585857953Tailstube never said they forgot it. No supplementary material did either besides Archie.
>>585858071Be good
>>585857707>erasingAgain no erasing is happening. Ffs they rereleased the fucking classics, and not just the mainline shit, the gamegear shit too
>>585857687Classicfags are the elitists who demanded to have their games be separated into a different brand so they could claim superiority to everyone else.
>>585858071Be as lucrative as it's peers
Sticks on Sonic JP Twitter
>>585857864How is what I described more convoluted than yout complex meme web of timeline crossover point shenanigans where we have to keep track of when they happen and hoe much or little the characters should influence their past selves and what version of Sonic it should be?Like, what's even the point at that point if none of it will matter?Split timeline creates a repository space for the consequences of the crossover, while also being justification for the games in that style going their own direction and exploring new things instead of shoving million retroactive stories in between Sonic 3&K and SA1 that those games were never written with in mind.
>>585857804>I wanna see Amy meet Classic Amy and that can't happen and make sense or be satisfying without a split.You can't write a time travel story where a character meets her past self without splitting the series into two? That doesn't make any sense.
>>585857484>Why is 2009 your cut off? What makes stuff from after 2009 "not Sonic"Not him, but 2009 was the start of the meta era, so...
>>585852083>>585853420I know "Eggman" slipped in the West a few times, most notably on Wing Fortress in Sonic 2, but 1993's SegaSonic arcade game had no reason to use the name "Robotnik" on the flyer (w/エッグマン)I believe a divide WAS attempted early on: https://sudden-desu.net/entry/segasonic-the-hedgehog-stage-select-and-debug-tools/Some gaming forensics reveal that SegaSonic was likely going to have two English versions: a standard version with Eggman, and a revised version with Robotnik based on how he appeared in the Archie comics (SatAM did NOT air yet!)- they probably decided against it only after the worldwide release fell apart, and the SoJ saw that the Robotnik design's used in SoA/SoE marketing/licenses was inconsistent.
>>585858284And people then might actually see through their sentiments, thinking they were right to be asshats to 2000s fags, believing the Adventure games and forward really did shit on everything classic from gameplay to aesthetic. It's possible.
>>585858284Are these "classicfags" in the room with us now?
>>585858420We are so back
>>585858152Then why do Tails and Sonic have no memories of everything they saw in Generations in every game between Sonic 2 and Sonic Generations?Why do the Core 4 know Trip? Why does Tails know about the Phantom Ruby being in Mania and warping Classic via the Emeralds?
>>585858420>>585858714I was here!
There is only one Sonic.
>>585858456You're several steps ahead into some assumption here. Everything you said, both situations, are convoluted, and that is because they're both part of the split. What I was saying was that a time travel story can happen without the split, then the series can proceed as normal without making it affect literally everything in the franchise,m to the point that you can't even imagine a standalone time travel story anymore.
>>585858456There's no problem with games being set between 3&K and SA1. Every franchise has stories set between stories and SA1 isn't raped by putting a million games before it
>>585858714What the fuck!
>>585858616The Adventure games are the closest games yet to replicate classic sonic gameplay in 3D. Also Heroes, Advance Trilogy and Rush games had classic inspired aesthetics
>>585858714>Fire boomerangJust let her replace Blaze please
>>585858071Have 3D gameplay (see: recent Iizuka interview), make character design adjustments to make the characters look good from behind in 3D, give the characters colored eyes, feature characters from later in the timeline/the Modern universe, have spoken dialogue.
>>585858718>Sonic 2They aren't taken from there btw>no memoriesThis is like asking why Sonic doesn't bring up Mecha Sonic in Heroes when he fights Metal
I would put Rotor in the games cuz he cute and cool and lovely and like I wanna see him taking care all these little Joe Sushis and that fatass Joe Sushi and.
>>585858457You don't unless you either make it erased by the end or write it so their interactions either didn't matter, always happened or had so little impact as to be ignorable.At which point why even fucking bother?If you want a story where they interact meaningfully, there needs to be consequences and meaningful interaction. Split accomplishes this without making shit stupif and no longer make sense.
>>585858718See how you could've just provided a source but instead because you had none you defaulted to cross examining? Just show a source bro
>>585858587Iizuka has stated rhat Robotnik was a name created by the west
Um, i just realized i'm arguing on the same side as a guy that wants split timelineI dont want that, i like Superstars being in Modern's past, i just like the brand split
>>585858264>no erasing is happeningYour post is erasing in itself because I post proof and you just claim it didn't happen. The Origins cutscenes don't match the original manuals, CD removed Sonic's voice lines to keep it in line with the brand rules that Classic Sonic can't talk, they refuse to rerelease Sonic Adventure or make new games like it. They've been erasing the series history to make it fit the brand split. They want you to think Classic Sonic should only have "retro game music" and no dialogue because that's how it was in the 90s (it wasn't, that's a lie, they're erasing history).
>>5858586161-timelinefag has this legacy complex where he sees the cutoff as him being denied being seen as "the same" as rhe classics and part of the same "golden age". Its all eraffag agendas all the way down
>>585858420>>585858714Cool!>>585859221Please link your source
>>585858785>w-well its ALL convoluted.Split is not convoluted at all. Its so straight forward, most people assumed that's what it was the second Mania came out.These two things are not equal and what you propose deletes meaningful possibility space all for the sake of abstractions.
>>585858981TIDDY!
>>585858829Lies lies and more lies.The Adventure games were written with the assumption nothing meaningful happened in that space that would conflict with the character's arcs.You limit what can happen in that space because of the burden of what does and must happen in the future.
>>585859317>The Origins cutscenes don't match the original manualsThat's because Ian Flynn failed to care about adapting them. That was not a conscious effort of erasure, it was carelessness on solely HIS part.>CD removed Sonic's voice lines to keep it in line with the brand rules that Classic Sonic can't talkThe brand rules where he talks in the comics? The comics that Ian pitched as silent and then they went "no he talks". You have no proof of why the voice was cut because no one came out and told us. For all we know it is a shitty oversight like MANY things about the collection, like in CD's own case, You Can Do Anything using the beta version>they refuse to rerelease Sonic Adventure I imagine because of the voice acting. But we don't know why. 2012 SA2 port came out AFTER Generations.>or make new games like it.Which they keep explaining why. This is you just pouting because you don't get the gameplay style you want>They want you to think Classic Sonic should only have "retro game music" and no dialogue Again, comics.
>>585858654I don't know about right now, but someone here did share such sentiments in the threads a few days ago. It's why I've even been thinking about the split at all, I wouldn't have if I wasn't reminded of that elitist attitude
>>585858829What's the point?SA1 was always planned to be the next mainline Classic Sonic game after 3K if it weren't for the redesigns. There is no alternate timeline were Classic Sonic didn't experience SA1, that was their next game for Classic SonicWhy not just have those "classic" games be set in the present and let classic just be an art style?
>>585859704>The Adventure games were written with the assumption nothing meaningful happened in that space that would conflict with the character's arcs.Now who's lying? You keep making this up. Sonic 2 was written with the assumption Tails didn't have an adventure with the Battle Kukku before meeting Sonic>You limit what can happen in that space because of the burden of what does and must happen in the future.Which is not at all a heavy constraint. You can tell a story like Seasons of Chaos or Tails' anniversary and it violates nobody's arc and nothing about the future
>>585859043>They aren't taken from there btwDoesn't matter. Im convering thr bases>>585859043>This is like asking why Sonic doesn't bring up Mecha Sonic in Heroes when he fights MetalNot even close. Sonic's entire encounter with Shadow in SA2 is built on him not knowing wtf is going on and who framed him.You cannot compare not bringing up random shit from your past to having advanced info from the future.
>>585858773Reminder that both Mecha Sonics are CANONICALLY stronger than Metal Keknic.
>>585859709>>The Origins cutscenes don't match the original manuals>That's because Ian Flynnwat
>>585859852"What's the point" is separate from "there is a problem if they do this", which is what's being argued.
Themes do not make a story good
>>585859551Oh, when I say split, I don't mean timeline split, I mean brand split. Even if they're going with 1 timeline now, they're still splitting the brand. Splitting the brand is not necessary for a time travel story to exist. Actually, it's not even necessary for split timelines, which in turn can also exist independent of time travel stories. It's the brand split that I was calling convoluted.
>>585853031
>>585859882I don't know if you played the game, but Classic Sonic doesn't interact with Shadow. He doesn't fight him, Modern does, and they don't interact at the party. Classic seeing that a black and red hedgehog exists doesn't rape the story of SA2
>>585859150Literally watch Tailstube
>>585860080Link the fucking timestamp they say it, fraud
I need a good plot and good action not just themes and characters
>>585859317>CD removed Sonic's voice lines to keep it in line with the brand rules that Classic Sonic can't talkThese dont exist. The comics have him talk, and according to Ian, he was FORCED to make him talk because Iizuka and Sonic Team didn't want ppl thinking he couldnt.The voice clips being gone is likely due to some other reason
Man antiantisplitfags are annoying.
JUNIOnic will unite us
>>585859905Ian Flynn wrote those cutscenes. Nobody told him to ignore the manuals or to "not use them". He could've and chose not to.
>>585859461https://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/06/23/sonic-the-hedgehog-burning-questions-iizukaStfu "sourcefag". Stop making things up and do actual research yourselves. This is basic ass stuff
>>585858714>>585858420Shade and Chronicles will NEVER get this btw
>>585860460lol no
What does sthg think of Sonic Boom: Fire and Ice
>>585859709>That's because Ian Flynn failed to care about adapting them. That was not a conscious effort of erasure, it was carelessness on solely HIS part.No, it's erasure no matter what because they don't talk. If those story animations were made in the 90s they would have had dialogue. SEGA caring so little about respecting the past that they let Ian erase it is just further proof, but not even necessary.>Which they keep explaining why.Yes, the explanation being that they don't respect the series' past and see it as a mistake to be erased and forgotten. There's an interview where Iizuka literally admits it.>AFTER GenerationsHave you not noticed that the brand split rules have gotten stronger over time? When Generations came out it was or could have been a one off thing, since it was so close to Sonic 4. When Mania and Forces came out is when it went into full effect.>>585860235>Iizuka and Sonic Team didn't want ppl thinking he couldntThat's hilarious if true, they've done a terrible job at it since they keep refusing to give him dialogue
>>585860515Seriously? I thought it was Tyson Hesse!I distinct recall a BumbleKast where he was borderline-gloating about being surprised how much of the manuals was allowed to be discard for the "canon" animations. Guess he was referring to his writing them
>>585859852>Why not just have those "classic" games be set in the present and let classic just be an art style?Then you run into the Megaman 9/Sonic 4 problem.
>>585859880>Now who's lying? You keep making this up. Sonic 2 was written with the assumption Tails didn't have an adventure with the Battle Kukku before meeting SonicSonic Team didnt make Sonic Adventure and everytime someon tries to reintroduce elements of it, they get axed.>Which is not at all a heavy constraint.Yes it is, holy shit.>You can tell a story like Seasons of Chaos or Tails' anniversary and it violates nobody's arc and nothing about the futureYou can't do those forever. It's frankly already getting old. People want new stuff with it and that stuff is limited by constraints of forever existing before Modern
>>585860581>when the game got localized and ported into the Sonic the Hedgehog that we know in the West, they decided to, without confirming with the development team, change his name to Ivo Robotnik or just Robotnik. That's kind of when everyone first learned about the character. Of course, this was without consulting the people who made the game. They just kind of went off and did it.Thank you for the source
>>585860609I think it's ass, sure glad nobody blamed Sticks for it though
>>585860974Sounds like he took it hard even though he wasn't there for it and Naka by all accounts liked it.
>>585859982The "brand" isn't split. It is branched. Green Hill, Little Planet, Classic Era badniks and the Death Egg all still exist in Modern.Youre arguing against a thing Retro users made up as if it were real.
>>585860452Was that Tom and Maddie in your project earlier?
>>585860889That's not a problem.
>>585861201How are you doing that? Am I that obvious lol
>>585861334Only to Krack
>>585860042>Sonic doesn't interact with Shadow.Classic Sonic is with Sonic with him the whole game and chilling at the Birthday party where everyone is and this getting to meet everyone. He also interacts with all of Sonic's shitty friends when you rescue them.He goes without all the DC and Modern Levels as well as the missions where he teams up with Shitty Friends. He was also there when they all showed up to cheer for them before going Super.
>>585861334>Team Decoy Protagonist
>>585861173They made it up and then SEGA made it real. A branch is still a split, but it's not even "branched" either, SEGA considers Sonic Adventure part of Modern Sonic and Sonic 3 part of Classic Sonic. If it were a branch, everything pre-Generations would remain intact instead of being fitted into the split branding and only post-Generations media would be divided into different series.
>>585860140>do the work for me over shit I have up to this point been pretending to already knowFuck you? Look who's calling who a fraud.Go look up Remember When and Between Two Hedgehogs something.
Nuke Israel.
>>585858714>>585858420I doubt this means much, they also drew Honey and Elise for these anniversary pics. most of it is going to stay as one-off art. more than what sally or cosmo will get but it's not much
>>585861468They should have left Generations as a noncanon spinoff. It never even felt like a proper main series game anyway.
>>585861697Sally is never going to appear in anything. She isn't vaulted, she's completely dead. Cosmo is going to get potted plant cameos and that's all.
>>585861242Yes it is
>>585861173Modern only uses those ugly black blue neon eyed version of those badniks instead of using their original designs. Why can't they just use those? the neon eyed ones as so bland and soulless IDW uses the original badnik designs with no problem
>>585860460This looks cool
>>585861697None of this franchise means anything.We love these characters before the dogshit video games Sega puts out
>>585861120I don't think its logical to say Naka liked it, so much as he just accepted it and warmed up to it over time.Naka developed a lot mote practical view of managing the brand as time went on.
>>585861940>IDW uses the original badnik designs with no problemI guess "correcting" this is what they would use additional "manpower" for.
>>585860973All stories have constraints. I guess its a heavy constraint that you cant kill Tails and have him be raped in the next modern game>>585861641>i dont have it and i made it upConcession accepted, because if you really knew, youd be able to pinpoint where and shut me up>>585861940The blue neon eye is cool and idw uses that too for shit like Motobud
evens, more ramenodds, have some spaghet
>>585861867You're retarded if you think character design and art style must be diegetic
>>585861581SchizophreniaWe dont need Mighty,Ray or Gang in Modern.You literally just hate the idea that any definitions exist at all. Not the reality of it but the fact you know they even exist.Youre like the IDW mandate schizos
>>585861836It literally follows directly from the events of Colors. One of the rare cases of a game doing that in the series. You're yapping.
>>585857687No they'll see how pathetic gen-zers are and among the relics they'll call you something you ironically don't want to be called, no , not baby zoomers, but zombies.Ah shut the fuck up already you retarded gen-zer. 4chan really is nothing but 14-21 year olds now.
>>585862342No, I hate that the brand is split. I recognize that there are differences between Sonic 3, Sonic Heroes, and Sonic Forces.
>>585862509Then leave uncfag
>>585861940ShadGens literally changes them to more classic style designs. LostWorld exists. You're just saying things.
>>585862581Kill yourself already and get replaced by designer babies you jewish puppet. Go back to the basedjak party where you belong.
>>585862342There is still no argument for why not
>>585862503>rare casesMost Sonic games do that. Generations doesn't feel like a real game because the story is near non existent and the stages are all recycled from previous games.
>>585862189>All stories have constraints. I guess its a heavy constraint that you cant kill Tails and have him be raped in the next modern gameYoure not arguing in good faith and never was.These are not even remotely equivalent. Tails not dying isn't a meaningful constraint. Nobody wants him dead to begin with. >inb4 strawmanNo real peeson
>>585862649Lost Worlds badniks are not their original designs, they look like platic fisherprice toys
I think Trip should get to modern
>>585862649>LostWorld exists.Lost World was originally meant to be a Classic Sonic game, they changed that later in development. They didn't have split brand rules properly established until 2017.
>>585862189>Concession accepted, because if you really knew, youd be able to pinpoint where and shut me upI literally gave you the Tailstube epsiodes.>>585862329Not what I even said, but also yes to an extent they do. People shit on the 9 and 10 era to this day because it is seen as holding the series back to appeal to empty nostalgia.
>>585862670There is literally no reason to other than for the sake of doing it to jerk off all 3 Fang autists who see him being in Modern as a form.of validation.Literally no different than IDWcucks or Archiecucks.
>>585860973>People want new stuffYou're defending a brand designed all around being stuck in a romanticized and revised version of the past.
>>585862890Okay, but what Modern character should get to Classic?
>>585863006And nowhere in either of those episodes does Tails say "hmm why didnt i remember white space when i was younger" or anything else like that>>585862825Somebody tell Batman and Spider-Man to never tell stories about their early years again because one faggot said it's a constraint
>>585848781>so blogpost?
Boom characters had sonic team oversight. Archie characters didn't. They aren't ever going to branch out into Archie.
>>585860581>>Why did everyone start calling Sol "Gohla"?>When the game was originally developed in Japan, they called the character Gohla. That was the name of the character, but when the game got localized and ported into the Sonic the Hedgehog 2 that we know in the West, they decided to, without confirming with the development team, change his name to Sol or just Orbinaut. That's kind of when everyone first learned about the character. Of course, this was without consulting the people who made the game. They just kind of went off and did it. It became super popular and everyone in the West kind of learned about the character as Sol. That went on through the "classic" series in the Genesis/Mega Drive era, but as far as the developers are concerned - the ones who made the character and the leaders of what this character is doing next - we really didn't want to have anyone in the universe with two names. To us, he's Gohla, but in the rest of the world he's called Sol. We wanted to unify that into one name moving forward. This is something I actually did in the Sonic Adventure series. I made it so that we understand the character's series is Orbinaut, but his codename is Gohla, and as far as everyone is concerned in the world now, we're just going to call him Gohla as his official name.why the doc matter so much when there's all these bots
>>585862925Lost World being a Classic Sonic game is a fucking insult to Classic Sonic, it's an insult to what Sonic Team think what Genesis era Sonic is
>>585863195Vector Espio and Charmy :^)
>>585863195Apparently a lot of people wanted Shadow in Superstars, to the point Iizuka had to make interviews to tell the public that it wouldn't happen because of the brand split rules.
>>585862726>Most Sonic games do that.No they really don't.Sonic 3 does from Sonic 2.SA1 has 1 line that does into SA2.Advance goes into nothing. Advance 1, 2 and 3 have no connection.Unleashed exists on a vacuum as does 06.Heroes has callbacks but doesnt follow through directly from anything and exists in a vacuum.Shadow has to happen after Heroes but doesn't happen directly after.Frontiers and Lost World exist in.vacuums as well. So does Forces and SuperStars.
>>585863147Fang is a fun villain and Modern doesn't have any blobian villains that doesn't only exist in a comic
>>585863312kekWell, Eggman is a major character, the robots are rarely ever mentioned by name in game
>>585863420"Brand split rules" is so fucking disingenous. When Iizuka said it, he made sure to say "this is set before Shadow was awakened, right now he is on Prison Island"
>>585862837I agree. My point is their argument is bad because Modern isn't constrained to the designs OGGens used.>>585862925A theory i believe but still just a theoryBut even then it just lond of proces my point because they used Modern anyway.Modern isn't barred from anything that matters. It's literally just Classic limiting itself for the sake of flavor and aesthetics.
>>585863320Lost World being a Modern Sonic game is a fucking insult to Modern Sonic, it's an insult to what Sonic Team think what Dreamcast era Sonic is
>>585863195NoneOutcum memories ruined it all for me.
>>585863420If Classic was just an artstyle we wouldn't need these kind of limitations
Dream Team is on PC and Android btw if you haven't played it yet PC: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L4RaNn_zkU-NmkUc0_3a4qX9blhotxy4/view
I hope Shadouge poster is having a fun Shadouge week...
>>585863573Infinite.
>>585863612Iizuka also says Super Tails and Super Knuckles are just non-canon reward transformations, so clearly he is aware that something can be included as an optional bonus in a game without it being tied to the narrative. Superstars takes place earlier in the timeline because of the brand split rules in the first place.>>585863791Indeed
>>585863874I have no idea what they are doing with Infinite
>>585863160So what? You still bitch and moan about wanting SA3. Clearly there is a meaningful difference and merit to acknowledging it.>>585863203>Somebody tell Batman and Spider-Man to never tell stories about their early years again because one faggot said it's a constraintYou say this like their brands arent notoriously convoluted messes that no one actually reads. >>585863203>And nowhere in either of those episodes does Tails say "hmm why didnt i remember white space when i was younger" or anything else like thatYes, because the fact he doesn't is what is weird. He describes the Phantom Ruby reaction in Mania in vague terms like something he knows as a supposed thing that happened.They all know Trip even though that only happened in SuperStars.
>>585863573Infinite is the Modern game equivalent of Fang.
>>585863675>Modern isn't barred from anything that matters.They would never make Sonic Advance or Sonic Heroes with the current state of the series because the gameplay and character choices of those games don't fit the split.
>>585863791Classic Shadow has never been some brilliant fucking idea that somehow debunks keeping Classic contained>>585863925In Sonic 3 that's what they were. You can't go back and change that. In Superstars they fixed it as "super powers". Just like, to satisfy you, they gave Classic a Shadow costume
>>585864087>Heroes??? That's not related to gameplay split, it's 3D.
>>585829020Just checked out this year's SHC and it's absolutely shit. But are there any entries this year that you feel are worth playing or is it another trash heap like last year?
>>585863791Classic was never just an artstyle. It informed Modern, but it was always seen as something distinct.
>>585863797mirror?
>>585864089Why is it limited to a stupid looking costume instead of the actual character? How does Sonic even have a Shadow costume? He's not supposed to know about him yet, he's a government conspiracy secret and he's asleep trapped in Prison Island. Shadow doesn't appear in Superstars because of the brand split rules, otherwise they could have simply included him as a bonus. I don't even want Shadow in that game, I'm just pointing out that the split is very much real and affects the games.
>>5858589812026年10月の発売記念イラストを公開昨日10周年を迎えた『ソニックトゥーン ファイアー&アイス』より“スティックス”が登場です世界を包む謎の異常気象鍵を握るのは、スティックスが一目ぼれした小さなロボットで…?愛するお友達を救うべく、ラブ全開で世界の危機に立ち向かいます!... What an oddly-specific reference.
>>585863797:(
>>585864317Can you imagine the shitstorm today if they brought back Fang and he was like, a Wisp poacher? And instead of a popgun he just had a net?
>>585864074Is Infinite a goofy villain and emerald thief who wants to collect them just to sell them for tons of cash?
>>585864359>Why is it limited to a stupid looking costume instead of the actual character?Because Shadow in the classic artstyle is fucking stupid brand rule or not.
>>585864030>So what? You still bitch and moan about wanting SA3. Clearly there is a meaningful difference and merit to acknowledging it.I never said that differences shouldn't be acknowledged. I've been saying the opposite, actually. You don't need to split the brand to acknowledge them, splitting it did the opposite because now whatever they release needs to be made to fit into one or the other, and the past games that didn't have their differences erased because of it.
>>585863573>fun villainHe is only 2 tiers above Mighty & Fang in terms of being a meme character people pretend to like to be hipsters.There is nothing he brings to the table you can't do and do better with chatacters we already have in Modern like Rouge, Infinite Zavok, Metal, Sage or even someone entirely new.Fang works in Classic because shilling obscure Classic slop is part of why Classic exists.>its not fair! The Chaotix got to migrate!The Chaotix are mostly useless characters who only even remotely justify their existence by being three man band gag trio. Fang doesn't even have that and wouldnt be adding anything by turning him into that. Him, Bean and Bark essentially fulfilled this in Classic as is and thts why they work there.
>>585864378Nonfan bro, it's about D-fekt from Sonic Boom Fire and Ice. Play the games. In that game she befriends D-fekt
>>585864331>>585864454Aw shit sorry bros it was working earlierI'll post again if I find a mirror
>>585864586I've seen a lot of fanart that makes small black eyes Shadow look great, even in this very thread >>585860460. Unlike the gross, ugly Shadow costume in Superstars.
>>585863612If 1Timelinefags weren't fags, we could theoretically get Classic Shadow.But nooooo, we cant have neat things.
>>585864607We all know you're one of the dramafags who keeps attacking Amy. Now I know why you do it.
>>585864656Rouge, Infinite Zavok, Metal and Sage are not a replacement for Fang
>>585864791Classic Shadow isnt neat lmao it fucking sucks>>585864762I'm taking the costume anyday over that design. Shadow cannot be classic-fied, he is not made with classic sensibilities. Sonic wearing the modern design is just better.
>>585864317>Classic was never just an artstyle if you twist the words from this one interviewEvery game has its own artistic vision, they weren't adapting the Chaotix for "Modern", they were putting the Chaotix in Sonic Heroes. The interview also says they were disconnected from Chaotix because it was made by other developers, not because it's a pre-SA1 game.
>>585864809?? I just noticed it's Shadouge week...
>>585864828Its too bad you cant get Hero points and stop time during egg dealer fight
>>585864745>>585864331The guy who posted it has one.https://mega.nz/file/82JR1QYY#JM4f2vADKbEFwoi77ETZdz8bZ7S6XN8mfK_vOhdPnj4Also Sonic Racing.https://mega.nz/file/I7Ry1ApQ#6M7u593C17Hooox3Gm9WxDEZxLSafsckjnotVR5gwt0
>>585864932>Shadow cannot be classic-fied, he is not made with classic sensibilitiesWhich is?Please tell me your made up bullshit rules of what Classic is
>>585864791I want you to know that I have thought of this in the past myself. 1 timeline and 1 brand are not the same thing.
>>585865061Based, thanks
>>585864087According to whom? Frontiers still uses GHZ, Chemical Plant and Sky Sanctuary and Sonic 4 Epsiode 1 and 2 uses Classic Style Zones.Colors exists.You're just making things up to be mad about
I enjoy the Sonic Language where if you just play Shadow the Hedgehog like a normal Sonic game then you end up against Eggman
>>585864495did you not notice they got rid of his "sniper" weapon in superstars tho to be fair they did before his debut game too.
>>585864932Mania Adventures and Superstars aren't made with the design sensibilities of Sonic 1 either. Shadow's design can be (and has been) adapted to different art styles.
Dria keeps me alive
>>585864505Infinite's a pretty goofy villain, yes.https://youtu.be/8rOmPyiK_lw>>585864495How do you think 00s/Heroes era Sonic Team would have rebooted Fang? Note that the point of reference to this type of reboot is the Modern Chaotix.
>>585865061awesome. finally i get to play this
Implied Shadria kiss
>>585865260What different artstyles? Boom and the movies that bring everyone forward? Longclaw isnt being game-ified either
>>585865158>Frontiers still uses GHZ, Chemical Plant and Sky SanctuaryThey consider them to "exist in Modern" because of Generations. They always use the Generations versions too. The original Sky Sanctuary is basically forgotten.>Sonic 4 Epsiode 1 and 2 uses Classic Style Zones.This is all pre-split. Episode 2 was already in development and the split wasn't fully established until 2017.
>shadriaOk well since you're here Krack i have a question about Maria
>>585864378>Amy & Gamma>Cream & G/Emerl>Sticks & D-fektWhat did they mean by this?
>>585865342They did say the two "shared many firsts".
>>585865076It's not about my rules. Classic Shadow would stick out like a sore thumb if all you did was change his eyes and height/proportions, and if you change anything else like his shoes or stripes now you've gone too far. You just can't classic-fy modern characters.
>>585865375I don't know what you're talking about. Shadow has been drawn in different styles and nothing stops anyone from doing it except for SEGA and their self imposed split brand rules.
>>585865414They use Generations because of asset reuse... what do you think Generations is referencing tardbro
>>585864625But we already have it so we might as well make the most of it rather than trying to pretend it never happened and erasing what we have.You can't just pretend Isreal was always the Jews'.
>>585865590If you think the Classic design philosophy is nothing but "drawing things a certain way" then yeah it figures you have no clue what I'm talking about
>>585865710If we're talking about art, then yes that is what it is.
>>585864831Right. Because they arent replacing him. Fang is trying to muscle in and as it turns out he can't hack it.I'd unironically prefer a new robot. At least it'd be interesting.
>>585865545It's been done and it looks good. Get over it.
>>585865436What's the question
>1 degree away from being mainline canonSee you soon, Tails...
>>585865297>How do you think 00s/Heroes era Sonic Team would have rebooted Fang? Note that the point of reference to this type of reboot is the Modern Chaotix.The best insight we have is Maekawa. That era ST would've kept Fang/Bean/Bark which is probably why they let Ian do that today.I don't know if the Chaotix being detectives is a reference to Classic Espio or a stroke of lucky coincidence, but if was the former, maybe Fang and crew would be bounty hunters. That way you keep his "sniper/hunter" vibe while keeping him doing jobs for money, which itself is a parallel to Chaotix (don't know if they would've wanted parallel to Chaotix at all or not).Bean being a demolitionist and Bark being a bruiser slot in with that pretty easily, but one more thing is personality—a big part of Vector Espio and Charmy being added was they had fun and distinct personalities. Fang and his crew need to have the same if we're following their lead.Fang could have a niche as a Western-inspired kinda thing. I have no clue what you'd do with Bean and Bark that Ian basically hasn't already done himself by now (crazy guy and silent guy)
>>585865931Tails can't have SHIT in this franchise
>>585859902https://segaretro.org/Interview:_Satoshi_Yokokawa_(2026-09-05)_by_Ashley_Rojas>First, taking into account the "Sonic 3" storyline the planning side had told me - "the stage is a floating island where the giant fortress Death Egg, destroyed at the end of the previous game, has crash-landed" - I began by considering what kinds of designs would suit the enemy mecha appearing there, working out the overall direction.>Given that setting, since the Death Egg had suffered enormous damage from crashing due to Sonic's attack in "Sonic 2," I thought the mecha production facilities inside the fortress must also have been heavily damaged, making it difficult to carry out production as before.>From there, I arrived at the idea that Dr. Eggman, needing a fighting force to oppose Sonic under conditions where the production facilities weren't functioning properly, would gather up usable parts and hastily assemble machines to deal with the situation.>In the end, I incorporated details to emphasize that makeshift quality - bolts and screws, corrugated outer plating, exposed pipes - and proceeded with the basic concept of giving the impression of machines built within a constrained production environment, while still following the basic forms and direction of the enemy mecha that appeared in "Sonic 1" and "Sonic 2." And he was made with literal scraps. Dude tanked Sonic and Knuckles, survived Sky Sanctuary collapsing and still wouldn't die. Mecha Sonic is just built different.
>>585865791 robots haven't been interesting since Gamma
>>585865414>They consider them to "exist in Modern" because of Generations. The original Sky Sanctuary is basically forgotten.That's nice fanfiction you made up. >This is all pre-split. Episode 2 was already in development and the split wasn't fully established until 2017.They still use Sonic 4 stuff in Modern which shows your idea of ehat the split is or means is fanfiction.If all of this stuff exists in Modern, then Modern isn't limited meaningfully in practice by it in the first place.It's literally just bitching that Fang cant be in Modern. You've been at this for like 7 years now.
Can Ian Flynn stop sucking at writing and get good
>>585866202(G)Emerl disagrees
>>585866260Why should he? He's got the job for life at this point and enough people championing his hack bullshit because he makes references to things they can clap at.
>>585865898Well Maria is such a pure and kindhearted character that almost all evil Maria ideas are mostly thoughtless slop, but, what if Shadow was killed instead of her? She still selflessly pleads for humanity’s good when her own life is taken. Would she just frown and 'forgive' humanity and move on in the universe where Shadow is killed instead, or would it ruin her too?
>>585865545I wouldn't change anything beyond giving him classic proportions. Shadow is always gonna stick out like a sore thumb due to his artificial nature, that's the point. Him being black with red stripes is meant represent that he's not a natural being
>>585865627It doesn't matter if they lazily recycle some assets from Generations. The point that the split exists and affects the games remains. Adventure, Heroes, and Advance would never get made today. They wouldn't do a Sonic Heroes 2 with Mighty, Ray, and Fang because "those are Classic characters and shouldn't be in Modern", a mindset that would have prevented Team Chaotix from existing in the original Sonic Heroes. They wouldn't make a 2D Spin Dash game where Sonic has green eyes and is slightly taller because "Classic Sonic is 2D" and that's "mixing Classic Sonic gameplay with the Modern Sonic design". They wouldn't even try to translate "Classic Sonic" to 3D because "Classic Sonic is 2D", so Sonic Adventure would never be made. Iizuka said that they can't revert back Modern Sonic to what it was in the past because he wants to continue evolving the series. https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/19/16333174/sonic-adventure-3-will-never-happen/ Classic Sonic is outside of this discussion in this interview because the current split brand narrative ignores that Sonic Adventure was born from trying to translate the earlier 2D games to 3D. Instead, it treats Classic Sonic as a separate series that's continuing independently, while Modern Sonic has abandoned its past and treats it as an unpolished version of what Modern Sonic plays like in Forces.
>>585866112>Eggman makes a more effective Sonic robot from literally building him on the spot.Eggman? More like based RUSHman.
>>585866260The worst part about being an Ian detractor is that even when its not Ian, like Evan or Sonic Prime, its worse
>>585866230They're not making a game like Sonic 4 Episode 2 with the current state of the series.
>>585866385Not her but Maria can't be ruined
>>585866321Who?
>>585866112Metaloser is spiritually cucked by trying to be a vanity project. Mecha is all business like a Terminator.
>>585866468
>>585865649>But we already have it so we might as well make the most of it rather than trying to pretend it never happened and erasing what we have.I would approve of this idea if the split wasn't reliant on pretending certain games never happened and erasing what we had in the first place. Removing the split, which is erasure itself, might be the only way to right this wrong. I'm open to other solutions though.
>>585866408>Shadow is always gonna stick out like a sore thumb due to his artificial nature, that's the point.No, it isn't. Not in the way you're talking about. Shadow's design still has to look like he fits the series he comes from, which at the time of his creation is Sonic Adventure(2). Nobody in the games remarks that he looks weird and alien, because that isn't the point. Whether he is Shadow or Terios, the point of his design is to invoke "darker Sonic", which is why everyone in the games reinforces this by saying "wow you look like Sonic"This design fits where he comes from, but would utterly rape the Classic design style, just like Rouge or Silver just changing proportions and black eyes would too
One of you guys just slipped up and accidentally outed yourselves as to which shitposter you are and I'm going to sit back and see how long it takes the Archiveschizo to figure it out.>inb4 vaguepostingIf I say who it is out loud right now then there's going to be several anons who will immediately start trying to play cover and gaslight. I'm only bringing it up so I can bookmark this thread later.
>>585866112Broke>The Mecha Sonics were stopgaps until Eggman could recover Metal Sonic.Enlightened>Metal Sonic is Eggman stubbornly trying to recreate what he had with the Mecha Sonics.
>>585866612Then how does she respond. What does she do
You need to stop being a well adjusted adult NOW. Its your right to do so.
>>585866464>still seething about the Iizuka evolution interview and "muh abandonment"At the end of the day this is all its about. The gameplay style
>>585866858i miss the mechasonic schizo so much...
>>585866782You mfers are discussing this shit like you have the power to do anything about this franchise
>>585866202>Emerl>Sage (semantics)
>>585866782>pretend games never happenedMore games have been added to canon since then lil bro>erasing what we hadWhich is just Adventure gameplay.
>>585866825Dont care nigga youre not a detective
>>585867047Sage is NOT interesting
>Sage>interesting
>>585866385>pic relatedhttps://youtu.be/XleOkGsYgO8?t=48"Even if Maria's gone, move along, move along, just to make it through...."
>>585867182Except I'm not the only one paying attention and noticing this shit. I'm sure someone else caught onto the random Krack simping out of nowhere.
>>585867046The split existing is proof that SEGA is controlled by the whims of whoever is the loudest and most arrogant fuck on the Internet, so actually yes, we can do something about it. I hate that though, and have no intention of doing this. I'm just expressing frustration at the situation, and hoping SEGA comes up with a graceful solution. Unfortunately the only solution I see is deleting the split. If you have any other ideas I'd love to hear them
>>585867286Banger
>>585867303Asking a question to someone who autistically knows and internalizes the character is simping?
>>585867303Then tell us so we can solve the problem
>>585866598Concern trolling. A game like Heroes very much can and would exist.
>>585866782>pretending certain games never happened and erasing what we had in the first place.This isn't a thing.
>>585867334A third split so you can get your precious Adventure gameplay and stop bitching
>>585866939Gameplay style is extremely important to a video game series. But no, it's about the series in general. Another affected example is how they wouldn't make a 3D game using an art style inspired by the Mega Drive games, because as an anon in a previous thread said, that would be "mixing and matching Classic and Modern willy nilly". They also wouldn't make Sonic look like he did in SA1 on Dreamcast, where he was shorter than Modern Sonic, or even SA2/ADvance, where he had tan eyelids (now Classic Sonic exclusive)
>>585866112>In the end, I incorporated details to emphasize that makeshift quality - bolts and screws, corrugated outer plating, exposed pipes - and proceeded with the basic concept of giving the impression of machines built within a constrained production environment, while still following the basic forms and direction of the enemy mecha that appeared in "Sonic 1" and "Sonic 2." I just realized (before Lost World ruined it) this explains why "Nal" (Sandworm) is a repurposed badnik (Caterkiller)
>>585867752>they wouldn't make a 3D game using an art style inspired by the Mega Drive gamesI love how you say this like it's some big loss. Like oh man what am I gonna do without bargain bin Sonic Utopia>SA1 designsSo we loop back around to just Adventurefagging
>>585867424TLDR one of the Tailsfags fucked up and started posting foxes in the middle of their simping.
>>585867797
>>585868043KEK
>>585866968Bring me Metaljobber
>>585846651https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/11443518
https://youtu.be/czBtIQ4GJKU
>>585868043Theres only one guy who that realistically is and hes an oldfag so rarely mentioned here that most people either forgot or dont know. Sometimes he slips up and posts the same archie tails reaction images too that can identify him
>>585867192Yes she is>>585867232Yes!
>>585868238Not reading allat. Just tell me if it had cute Silvaze or not.
>>585868349Peak character design
>>585868343>initiating fashion protocol!now THIS is Sonic!
>>585867456Every time the idea of bringing "Classic characters to Modern" comes up, the immediate reply is that it can't happen because the two series need to be distinct.>>585867737I don't want splits. A split shouldn't be necessary for that to exist. I don't need them to use the Adventure gameplay right now, but since they created a split and ignore it then it creates a bad situation.>>585867961>I love how you say this like it's some big lossIt is to me. I think the series should have more artistic freedom instead of being locked into this stupid binary>AdventurefaggingIt's the era in the middle which they've been erasing. You claim the split recognizes and values differences between games, but what it actually does is erase those differences, and prevents more differences from existing, because it claims there are only two styles and they can't be mixed. The fact that there is an entire era that they have to pretend doesn't exist in order to fit the binary is proof of this.
>>585868526Heroes is more than "classic characters come back". They did for that 3 characters and at the time didnt even see them as classic, but as simply "non sonic team game characters"I dont know how you can bitch about Modern Fang when a Heroes Fang, if truly followed, wouldve similarly rebooted him and discarded his origins
>>585868726>>585868726>>585868726
>>585868526No, the argument is that you are smokescreening all this bullshit about brand split bs to hide the fact you just want literal whos from Classic era shoved into Modern for validation reasons.
>>585868709>Heroes is more than "classic characters come back".Never said it isn't.>and at the time didnt even see them as classicThat's what I've been saying! They didn't need a brand split to bring back things from previous games.
>>585868702Shadow literally ruined this franchise.
>>585868408Yeah, can't go wrong with cowboy stuff. Got none of that for Lanny so have office attire instead.
>>585868257That doesn't change the fact that he's a rampant shitposter on here while also being two-faced. I hate people who act like this and then have the audacity to whine that this website is dying. Like no shit retard, you're part of the fucking reason.
>>585868865If Heroes wasn't an "Everyone is here" game, they wouldnt have bothered to begin with.
>>585868375I you think a small panel of them holding hands and destroying a mech dragon is cute then there you go.
>>585869116It's owari da.
>>585866385That's a good question, it's nearly impossible to answer because it's putting Maria in an unprecedented situation. It's hard to imagine a corrupted or evil Maria. I don't think she could move on, Shadow and Maria's bond isn't one-sided, and Shadow already has a soul like Maria's. It might end up affecting her personality, but not her heart that loves. Would it turn her evil? I don't think so. Shadow isn't evil, even though the things he does may seem evil to others.Maria would probably die anyway. But Shadow's death would become a motivation for her if she somehow ended up living through her illness, and she'd take extreme measures to reach her goal. That goal might be a world where experimental creatures like Shadow are allowed the chance to be happy. I can imagine Maria doing things that might count as terrorism in his name.
