>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-october-26/2360696/8>Talent Calculatorhttps://wowforevertalents.com/>DatesName Reservations open now for skyborne pack purchasers.The journey begins on November 4previous >>586549617
how do i find a guild of gamer dads to turn me into their free use slut
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS GENERAL
since the jury is still out on the question, what is one surefire way to know that the women we ERP with are actual true to life women irl?
>>586564052Why did we remove the guilds from the OP?
What class counters hunter so I can ruin their experience?
Sex with sex elves!
Chances there's going to be a significant amount of players coming into this thinking it's classic wow 2019 because the dumbasses said it's classic + only to end up shocked and dismayedhttps://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1xmhmw0/i_just_learned_about_the_one_and_done_meta_for/
So do people post actual /vg/ guilds here or are these threads just 24/7 namedropping and people bot spamming archived posts?
>deletes your character from 51 yeards awayheh nothing personel kid
i have two people i want to play with.but it sounds like a nightmare to potentially have THREE characters to rotate between. do you actually 1-60 with ur boys?
FOR THE ALIIIAAANNNNNNNNNNNCEEEE!!!!!
HYYYYPE!
>>586564052>less than 48 hours before launch>they do a patch that buffs hunter and only hunter
>>586564232Instead of ERPing what you do is kill yourself so the world can be a better place without your kind.God speed, to the rope!
As we near launch…I want you to remember how you feel right now, this intense excitement, youre going back to 2004… savor it…. for in a few weeks time you will yearn for that feeling once more but only find despair misery and hopelessness
Will warrior still be the main character in forever?
HD characters are fine according to r*ddit and if you say otherwise you're trolling
>>586564416>will warrior still be the main character in forever?
>>586564314I have boys going to PVE, PVP and RP-PVP, not all from the same friend group mind you. I am going with the group I talk to the most and that's RP-PVP
>>586564293What guilds? The game isn't even out yet there are no fucking guilds. If you want to advertise and/or beg people to join your grooming discord this is not the place for that.
>>586564351These people 99% of the time play Horde.
is this TWW pre-patch repeat with all the MM Hunters one shotting people from stealth? anyone remember
So after these latest prot paladin changes, it's much better than prot warrior isn't it?
>>586564382>$4000 USD on a genuine marble and granite 1 for 1 replica of the Dark Portal decoration >cannot cough up 50 cents on little ties for cable management
Any advice on avoiding the niggers and trannies?
>>586564472no one played retail that long
>>586564390I'm going to play on pve so I don't really care
>>586564558Don't roll horde
>>586564558join olympus
>>586564232Talk to them in discord first, a voice changer is obvious and so is a tranny
>>586564232Put your penis inside them irl. If you erp with someone you haven’t done this to, you are gay for even taking the risk.
>>586564507Thats 3D printed.
>>586564558Play during the day when they're sleeping.
>>586564416I'm gonna play warrior so no_>>586564565>/
>The duality of /wowfg/
i still really like the idea where all the races we get are just neutral reskins of the popular ones we got the first time >belfs became skelfs>draenei become satyr/fauns>kul tirans become ogre mercenaries, maybe combo'd with neutral goblins reskinned in some way, gilgoblin?
>blue elves are trying to fill the boots of thisimposter syndrome: the race
>>586564558Don't play this game.
>>586564297>not playing as humanngmi
>>586564482i doubt it.woyer go forever, only stop for healer mana.paladin have to have a drinkypoo of their own.also, boring afk spec. woyer have many button to press. woyer es numer uno
>>586564558Don't roll PvP.
>>586564464>wanting to play an MMO with other people is groomingThat's fine, was fun on gamers-district however many years ago. Guess this place really got killed by the spammers. Time to move on I suppose.
why doesn't my night elf look like this...
>>586564558Stay off the Internet.
>asmon going pvp nowkek it's over
>>586564613>a voice changer is obviousThe shitty ones are. We've gotten ai upgrades since then.
>>586564698Mine does
>>586564558rp-pvp
>>586564632If Blood Elves maintained their general edgelord vibe instead of the path of redemption shit they would have been timeless...
>>586564232the haircut.no, I will not elaborate.
>asmon going horde nowbur its over
Where is the AIKA poster??
>>586564726proofs
>>586564625ugly tumblr art
>>586564626it may hurt to hear this, but these images are one in the same
What's better music for leveling, nightcore?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f872viX8zJUOr vaporwave?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsayCedwJIs
>>586564351
>>586564594>>586564558True>join olympus>horde troons already filtered>fags that can't leave alliance use the addon to block you so you never have to deal with them>I win by doing nothingThat's how much power chuds have by existing.
>>586564632Bluesky elves look sickly and diseased, I don't like looking at them
>asmon going for president nowwe're SO BACK bwos
>>586564779The toon haircut? Ok yeah i can probably deduce which ones, ill have to study them
>>586564726He is not but there will be massive amounts of them on the pvp rulesets. They are combining all the guilds into one mega guild across rulesets with addons and linking guild chats to discord.
>>586564698>>586564745Forgot pic>>586564794Hey a russian guy made this for not even 20 bucks, i cannot complain. I'll take that over unironic AI slop.
IT'S UPhttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-november-2/2360696/9
>more data mined changes the community is blowing up overIs anyone else just fatigued as fuck by the over analysis of everything by the communityAlthough shobek is too much sometimes, he's right in this regard, in 2004 i looked at the webpages for rogue and loved how they had lockpicking, stealth, and pickpocketing and that was enough to play and love the class>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9fUp7JdUiEIt's not your fucking job as a player to benchmark every change and pretend like you have all the metrics and macro scope of the game as a whole to make informed design decisions
>>586564558Blacks who play this game are fine and very few, trannys are harder to avoid and way more numerous
>>586564875drum n basshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wDpGrf-fCk&list=PLFk9t_fK3f6V8ZK2CtWJ9VVHrYMkCC4pK&index=11
>>586564558Alliance PvE NA
>>586564952hes playing both, pve first then there is a secret plan for pvp that will force blizzard to change something, source is todays stream
>>586564823yea, they're both russian
>>586565003I'm fatigued of these changes days before launch
>>586564823>eww you say you hate bugs, you must want to fuck them
>>586565004Blacks > trannies > dad gamers > their fat cheating wives >>>> brown retards (this includes you)
>>586564558Just play on the rp server, when i played it on classic it was mostly 40 year old boomer dadgamers
>>586565001>Developer’s notes: Over the course of Beta, we came to the realization that trying to hold ourselves roughly to Classic power budgets for each class meant that every new element we added needed to come at the expense of something else. Those reductions left some iconic abilities feeling lackluster, and closed the door to other potentially exciting design options. So over the last two weeks, we’ve raised damage on classes across the game, and have increased the health of higher level creatures to compensate. This additional “headroom” has allowed us to tune things to a place that we hope feels better overall. Beyond that, some of this round of changes reflects areas where we were likely hasty in turning to Burning Crusade- or Wrath-era solutions rather than carving out new ones that better fit into the Forever combat model. Our aim in class design is not perfect numerical equality, but rather for every class to feel valuable to the groups they join, with powerful, unforgettable moments brought on by mastering them. In Forever this is accomplished by doubling down on the strengths and differences that make each class unique, rather than overly unifying them.
Shaman bros?
>>586565015Only the most beta of men play on PvE
>rogues>assassin>Murder has been removed.FUCK OFF
NEED SATYR GF BLIZZARD PLS
>>586565003Lil gup really think playing a 2004 game in 2026 makes him 12 again.
>And this is all merely a starting point for the classes in Forever, which will continue to evolve over the course of the months and years ahead just as they did following the original launch in 2004.
>>586565181Imagine her tongue in your asshole
>>586565158They really don't know what to do with Shaman do they
>>586565128you are a genitally-mutilated dysgenic incel just like your trannoid brethren
>>586565006>drum n bassI don't like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TBbbMB6dGI
>>586565061Blizzard will 100% have to do something about his guild. Maybe make specific olympus layers you get locked to if you ever join one of those guilds. They topped 100k players in the beta alone. Actual release is probably going to hit 1m+ across all rulesets. They will be able to lock down main cities forever if they want.
>>586565148>In Forever this is accomplished by doubling down on the strengths and differences that make each class unique, rather than overly unifying themGIVE ME BACK MY SPELL CRIT AURAREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>586565158>Enhance going to be WAILING on shit>Elemental going full crit overload
>>586565242Satyrs tongue my anus
oh FUGGGGG that's a big patch
>>586565061What's he going to do, shit his pants?
>>586565264And you say this based on the fact that I am principled and want to defend my countries borders, while you want to let in browns to rape and destroy civilization.Truly you are very based and wise.
>>586564875https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIw8jg4fRcg
>salv actually goneFUCK MY GAY NIGGER LIFE
>>586564901Bodied that nigga
Rogue low APM got addressed somewhat
>>586565158>>586565337maelstrom weapon is a terrible idea for a 2H enhance shamani think they forgot shamans cant dual weildnot to mention it doesnt even stack to instant cast lightning bolt, just like 40%.
Here's your energy regen.
>>586564232>what is one surefire way to know that the women we ERP with are actual true to life women irl?meeting them irl face to faceno voice doesn't work dudes even ones with a deeper voice can literally train their voice it just takes a while like over a year maybe and i guess no one outside of voice actors ever mentions it though>pictures or videonowadays ai, even before people used to catfish with random photos online, and sometimes even photos THEY received meaning it wouldn't even show up if you tried to find a source for the picture>>586564613genuinely that's still not 100%, voice actors exist dudelike here's a good example this is one of my favorite songs, now look at the guy who sings it and how his voice sounds like, people can do this there's just rarely a reason for anyone to learn to do it besides voice acting and singing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PptQJv4wxdg [Embed]
>>586565001>rogue changesFinally!...And on fist glance it's mostly nothing.
What's a good way of leveling enchanting early? I'd love to get the 70 enchanting wand asap but getting enchanting all the way to 70 seems like it would take a while
>all three hunter specs at the top of othe rankings>blizzard doubles all their ability damageOkay. If anyone says these devs, know what they're doing, their opinion can be completely disregarded.
>>586565158So they listened to lava burst haters.It seemed cool to me, but then i would never EVER play shaman so....
>People saying Warrior has been NVKED>newest patch notes has...a small buff???
>>586564187he already came to the same conclusion we came to before blizzcon and somehow streaming for 3 hours a night is effecting his forklift job and "health"
>>586565435what you say is irrelevant, chudcel. Physiognomy is destiny and you are destined for a life of bitter servitude by your bone structure
>>586565158RIP my spellhance build I guess
So prot paladin is just much better than prot warrior at this point isn't it?
Guys I don't think Blizzard knows what to do with Forever
Shaman omega buffed straight into hero class territory
>>586564273so likeshe seems nicebutwhere are her boobs?
>>586565545>6 more APMLETSFUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Anyone know how the new Poised ability works with Rogues and Druids? It says reduces energy by 10 when out of combat and at max energy. Does that mean you have to be out of combat AND at max energy to receive this, or just one of these conditions?If it's just one of the conditions, do they stack? Being out of combat reduces by 10 energy AND at max energy would reduce 10, so 20 energy total for openers?
>>586565574
so... layering is still coming to this kusoge? dogshit game
>Drain Soul: This chance for this spell to grant a Soul Shard on dealing damage (not a kill) has been reduced significantly.FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>>586565764That's a man
>>586565001>rogues get an ability to cast on cd with zero thought at all>rogues first attack is cheaper but only their firstlame. i'd rather see baseline energy generation changes than this. i feel like the flow will be dogshit.
>New Talent: Reckless Swings. Row 4. 1 Point. 15 second cooldown. Costs 25% of base health. Your next 4 melee attacks generate 5 additional Rage. Lasts 8 seconds.wtf is this dogshit lmao
is it me or are skyborne fucking cooked?weird racial mechanic, DISABLED during raidshorde mov speed buff doesnt even affect druids, shamans, their most popular classalliance one doesnt help warrior, roguethey're only "decent" for mage and hunter i guessam i hallucinating here? their final state feels like a jokealso can someone explain to me how the refund process works before release? also if that works do i need to buy the month playtime the very 4th or can that be applied beforehand?
for why?
>>586565550It's why they doubled it's proc chance, and storm strike being a lower CD is only going to help that further>40%I think you need to double check the tooltip at 5/5>>586565619The problem is it wasn't even a real lava burst. It just did 20% more damage on flame shock instead of being a guaranteed crit so it pretty much lost all of its appeal and flavor.
>>586565634Haha you think because I'm a nazi I'm unattractive? I guarantee I am taller, stronger, and get more pussy than you lmao.You're aeftist eurocuck no doubt.
>>586565158>improved ghost wolf moved furthernyo..
hopefully all specs will be equal in terms of damage, threat, and healing
I CANNOT BELIEVE WE'RE THIS FUCKING CLOSE BROS
>>586565001>Improved Ghost Wolf moved from 2nd row to 4th row.KEK
>>586565574>>586565841eyeballs mean nothingespecially coming from classhitniggers none of you have math degrees, i would bet my house on thatwhat do the sims say
>Gamepad Support has entered a complete functional state.>In World of Warcraft: Forever, all major gameplay and core user interface experiences can be played with a controller, including movement, spells, interactions, UI navigation, etc.>Gamepad settings can be customized through Edit Mode and the Options menu.so it's really happening...
>>586565158>30% furry, 10% berserking, 30% rage of the farseer If those stack troll is going to have very silly windows where it just windmills
>>586565936>nazi>he thinks the term chud has anything to do with a particular ideologylearn your phenotypes
they can have 100% uptime 30% increased movement speed that persists through death?what the fuck.
>>586565001Basically no changes for Priests, RIP Penance
>>586566074literacy crisis on display
>>586565852men don't have hips like that
>>586566074ESL
>downranking is backBiggest Mage buff and it isn't even a buff, it's how the game should've worked in the first place.
this is a funserver
>>586565841>quietus, cutthroat and thousand cuts all removed>here's you shiv + 5 point talents to make it suck slightly less broThanks blizz, but I already decided to roll druid, no need to sell me on it any further.
VVVVVVVGHWERE SO BACK
BRO SKYBORNE ARE BROKEN NOW THEY CAN MOVE AT 30% FOR AN HOUR
>the guild master isn't a warrior
did feral druids get unraped?
>>586566045Troll Shaman might have moved up on my list of alts from 2nd or 3rd to a guaranteed 2nd. It's not perfect, but they definitely soothed it out a little. Especially in addition to those general shaman buffs roo.
>>586565936Nobody who posts in this thread gets any pussy. Who are you trying too fool?
>>586566138>>586566180oh shit you're right
>Bear Form and Dire Bear Form: Threat bonus increased from 50% to 115%Well I'll be
>>586566247i bet this is because of all the skyborne edition refunds like mine
>>586565698How so
>>586566220lolok
>>586566074no the charged buff makes the active use double
>>586566247Read it again, the Charged buff isn't the Skysight buff.
>>586566198inshallah
>>586566207obviouslywho the FUCK gave paladin mains a budgetif kap was dead he'd be rolling in his fucking grave
>Cannibalize can once again be used while immune to Physical damage.>Cannibalize can once again be used while immune to Physical damage.>Cannibalize can once again be used while immune to Physical damage.>Cannibalize can once again be used while immune to Physical damage.YEAH BABY WE'RE BACK
>>586566220???
>>586565929you were right i needed to read the 5/5 tooltip thanks anonmaybe it isn't ass, wish it would apply to chain lightning too
>>586565702Post the years that Blizzard has known what they were doing over the past two decades.
>>586566316having to actually generate and manage threat is too hard. we're going with the retail model.
>>586565158why the fuck did they move imp ghostwolf
really hope blizzard doesn't keep listening to apm niggers. if i wanted to mash keys like a retard with the attention span of a squirrel i'd just play retail.
>>586565001HOLY FUCKING SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITBROS, I JUST GOT FINISHED WITH THE DIRTIEST WANK EVER, I CHECK THE THREAD BASKING IN THE AFTERGLOW AND SEE THIS.SHAMANGODS, WE'RE FUCKING SO BACKDISAPPEAR WITH THE ROAR OF THE THUNDER!
>already can't create a PVP Horde character >some fucking nigger took my nameit's looking grim but I guess I'll roll a humie rogue and relentlessly bully fat redditors until they quit
>>586566450because FUCK YOU thats why
>Orcs still only allowed to play Hunter and Warlock.
>>586565929>The problem is it wasn't even a real lava burst. It just did 20% more damage on flame shock instead of being a guaranteed crit so it pretty much lost all of its appeal and flavor.Yeah they pussied out on guaranteed crit for some reason which was the entire fucking point of lava burst and always has been.
>relentless strikes moved to row 5fucking why? combat and sub are just cucked on energy regeneration then?
>mounts!>mogs!>cheevos!ya, you're totally not playing retail anon
>>586566506;_;
me playing wow forever, never doing raids, and never talking in game aside from using /moo and /blow as i go around doing quests and professions on pve
>>586565903they're cooked
>>586566450it makes the class more fun and you feel a better sense of achievement when you finally unlock it.
Which way bros
>>586566316Threat for every tank was massively increased, tanking is baby mode now
>UHHH yeah we just said 'fuck it' and decided it was too hard to keep the combat classic-like. But high level mobs (only) will have more hp!Why are they doing all of this now? Holy rugpull.
>>586566498are redditors going horde? i might have to play alliance...
>>586566450Probably just want to make it tied more to enhancement. Even if that's a weird choice. Maybe they didn't want Elemental and Resto being too agile in PVP.
>Shamanfags wonCool so I guess I'll just go back to being deleted by Chain Lightning crit combos then?
>>586566252These motherfuckers right here make the absolute most comfiest guilds as gms. Prove me wrong.
>>586565919>>586565849now you won't have your bags fill up so fastisn't this what people wanted?
>>586566479Uchigger
>>586566528Probably with that new skill and talents related to it deep in each tree. They're trying to make it less of a mandatory pick.
>>586566448its because of shadowpriest mindblast and VE healing generating giga threat
>Drain Soul: This chance for this spell to grant a Soul Shard on dealing damage (not a kill) has been reduced significantly.
>>586565158>spicy meatball gone>ele shaman crit more often>enhance stronger across the boardhuh that's actually not b->imp wolf moved to 4th rowUNFUCKINGPLAYABLE
>>586566635>t. tankyboi
>>586565919>>586565849>drain a creature's soul>don't actually drain itthe fuck is the point of the ability
>>586566597best reason to refund yet
>>586566448>you think you do but you don't you retards haven't played the game in a decade, and even if you did you wouldn't get invited because you're shittersthreat matters in retailits one of the chief reasons no one wants to fucking tankmoron, your streamslopman doesn't know shit and neither do you fucking nigger
>>586566198but I don't want an extra twenty buttons
Madseason was rightSoda got mogged
>>586566393The light says cannibalism is A-OKAY!
>>586566316Yeah. They completely eliminated threat management from all the tanks. Playing the beta as a warrior I understand why. The average WoW dps player cannot target the marked enemy at all, doesn't follow instructions, spazzes out if you're not zooming through everything, and it made tanking on anything other than a paladin an absolute slog.
>With expect of bugs or serious outliers, we don’t plan on making big tuning changes between now and the opening of the raids next monthSo that's that. You better pick something decent.
>>586566698ele and resto nigs stay the fuck out of my enhance tree
>>586566638I wanted them to stack... to stack...
>>586566606>Horde>need to deal with redditors>Alliance>need to deal with asmongoloid orbitersThey should break forsaken off into their own faction
Are hit chance talents mandatory for leveling? Im boomer and always leveled with 0 or only 1 point in hit chance talents and things went just fine.
>>586565574>mostly nothingit's an absolute fuck ton, what?
I love the buffs to enh except for gaining even MORE atk power from int. I just know this will lead to some random high int cloth pieces being bis for enh sham.
>>586566796i forgot about the roach niggerhorde it is
>>586565158>they actually removed Lava Burst completely to appease the retarded faggots who were crying about its existence>Elemental no longer has a rotation, it just puts up Flame Shock and spams LBI hope the stupid niggers who actually wanted this are happy.
Hey retard what storylines would (YOU) like to see in forever?
>>586566805nah not at all, but they are nice
>absolute metric fuckass load of changes for paladins every single patchI'm actually just so tired of it.
>>586566570Neither of those diarreah like builds KEKYPOW
>>586566570Go run DME as a paladin tank, and you'll realize which is the better option.
the osrsboomers were right....it's retail-.....
>>586566775That would be too strong, and not ironically
Shaman just got almost universally better across the board... except for improved ghost wolf being moved to row 4. I don't like that change. I really don't.But in the grand scheme of things I can't deny that the rest of the changes look good. Riptide needed a nerf, it was retarded.
>>586566805are you a melee character? matters a fucking lot
>>586566805Two handers no, dual welding yes
skelf women dress like this and don't see anything wrong with it
>>586566498Keep trying, it only took me an hour of trying on and off to create one
>>586566775each and every soul of a spider or boar or gnome is precious and gets it's own stack
>combat gets to print energy and actually do more than just eviscerate>assassination actually stacks bleeds on top of poisons>subtlety gets to pop (You) like a balloon>the class actually has a button to press during downtimeRogue is saved.
>>586566746Nobody cares dude. The only way you can prove us wrong is by actually playing retail in which case you’ve already suffered a massive L and have lost all credibility in the argument.Retail fuckin sucks and nobody wants to play it aside from mazed losers
>>586565574>>586565841Dude these are fucking nutty ass changes. All talent tree location swapping changes every single build
Mage should've got a new ability that lets them copy any spell a player casts and learn it until they copy any other spell.
>>586566857i dont know
>>586566247>15-seconds of 50% mana regen OR 15 seconds of 100% regen if *buff is active>15% move speed for 15 seconds OR 30% move speed for 15 seconds if *buff is active>*(buff last 1h and removed in raids)
Rogue bros we are so fucking back
FUCK IT JUST INCREASE EVERYONES DMG BY 30%
>>586566854Ah yes, your >flame shock, non guranteed crit bitch boy version of lava burst, spam LBsmoothbrain honkey take not reading full notes and seeing CL has a 175% value of base LB to serve as your alternate button havin ass. Shut up
>open beta>actually it was open alpha
>>586565573No one is hiring a fucking voice actor to pretend to be a girl so you can ERP with them
>>586565903Isn't it what everyone wanted though? You get a better starting experience but that's it. As it stood before the nerf; they were (at least High Order) overpowered.Sure they suck now; but I thought we all hated Skyborne and thought they were gay.
>>586561298Because they make videos to make money, not be creative
>>586566015EnhanceGAWDS eating good
>>586566746played veng to 2500 s1 of midnight (one of the worst things of all time), has it really changed since then?
>Warlock nerfedLol.Why though?
>>586566857Hey tranny stop spamming ai pornslop.
>we know rogue is unplayable without this talent>no we wont change anythingBravo Blizzard
Best alliance race to not get shit on in pvp?
>>586566291no
>>586567069>No one is hiring a fucking voice actor to pretend to be a girl so you can ERP with themignore all the troon liberal voice actors in the industry lately, surely a coincidence
these changes are pretty sick if you actually want some + in your classic+ but god damn they're gonna have to tune like crazy
>>586565841>Ghostly Strike now also causes your next Ambush or Garrote cast within 7 seconds to not require Stealth.Dude these are fucking NUTTY changesI need an updated calculator NOW
>>586567124retard reread that and don't quote it out of context this time
>oath of light is still only a 5 minute buffDo they even play their own game?
>>586566597Blizzard does not have game designers
>>586566805you can level without any talents at all
>>586567134Night elf female
>>586566957this mazed loser is still leagues better than you and this is you're fucking argument for telling liesyou're a fucking moronyou probably think your vote matters tooyou are a spiritually a niggergg ig
>>586566036I wonder what faction Xboxers will play?
>>586566773They'll cave if people complain hard enough, they always do when it actually reaches a tipping point.
>>586564416yes
if i was smart i would have bought the 30$ thing, reserved my names, and then refunded it bitching about the faction lock.that would have been really clever.
>>586564052What happened to the /wowfg/ guilds?I'm not gonna lie, I kinda want to level and do content with my sissy frens. You can't join most guilds nowadays without people having melties and calling you rayciss.
>>586567043azeroth survivors > retail-
Enhance is looking unfathomably strong.Ele got a huge boost too (which we all expected) but they somehow managed to buff the ever loving shit out of Enhance even more even though it didn't need it.What the fuck, Blizzard.
>massive buffs for everyone >zero buffs for warriorswarrior bros...
>>586567074>isn't it what everyone wanted thoughby all means, that's the opposite of what ppl wanted, otherwise they wouldn't have stuck around with the beta preorder
>>586567234idk I’m free to make up whatever I want about retail. Who’s going to refute me? A retail player? Lmao dude. Why can’t you just admit the games an unplayable joke
Destro bros, its time!
>>586567234>you are a spiritually a niggerI'm writing that down
Resto Shaman got massive nerf Mage got gutted in pvp Warrior, enhance, ele, rogue, hunter, feral, and boomy got huge buffs
>>586567101you're not high enough for it to matter brother, shit just dies at that range and you're pllaying with people with 20 less ilvl than you lol
>>586567329>implying we need them
>>586567124They changed Relentless Strikes, by making it even harder to get.
Reddit thinking shamans were fine that blizzard had internal numbers. Meanwhile they got massive fucking damage number boosts..
>>586567329fury got buffed like crazy what
>>586567354>Acting smug and superior about Retail Minus
>>586566978Warrior should get in combat charge in all stances, and charge should always remove all snares and slows.Intercept should remove all damage immunity effects from the target it hits.
>>586567043>increase mob hp by 30%>increase everyone’s damage by 30%>except healers, fuck them. They can just get exp from dungeons… lmao!
I'm onions facing irl at the rogue buffs
>>586567329it's actually over for non-prot warriors. hope you enjoyed 7 years of browning up classic, now warrior is complete unplayable garbage
>>586566619pvp players are 5th class citizens
>>586567329>>586567383Prot needs more buffs and higher APM.Prot Warrior should have at least 80 APM.
who has the new trees?
Are they expecting Ass to keep rupture up now that they won't be spending points on venom?
>>586567436I'm begging for a update calculator 31 8 12 no longer exists21 3 27 no longer exists
Is ele shaman viable for leveling now?
>>586567329priest got fucking nothing
>>586567303Most of the ele buffs needed will be from the spell base values and coefficient which I'm not sure if they will show or we just have to hope they looked into it.
>>586567426>increases everyone's damage>everyone's hp stays the sameAre you ready for ranged classes to 2 shot you before you can even reach them?
>>586566773That seems reasonable? Even if I wish some classes/specs got fundamentally different changes on a mechanic level. There's only so much they can actually do with level 30 data, except wanking of paladins nonstop, so just holding ground to see how things actually play out for a month and then making adjustments when they have real leveling data and fresh 60 data seems like what they need to do.
how do i get a gnome gf
>>586566978Spellsteal should be a rogue talent that gives rogues the ability to cast the spell that they kicked most recently.
>>586566870I accept your concession
>>586567378>threat only matters at the top 1% of play in retailso you agree with me? retard tanks in classic struggle with threat starting from the first dungeon.
>Improved Distract removedIts like someone with half a brain actually looked at the rogue trees for once
>>586567330Lots of players just wanted their name, a good handful more wanted to just play beta. I'm being a little facetious sure; but if the option between the paid race being powerful or useless is an either or, I can't imagine people are all too upset it's the latter. At least we can't accuse of pay to win now.
>>586567530enh until 32 then go ele because CL
>>586567540>ib4 they add resiliance
So prot warrior is back to being the best threat per second?
>>586567541They got rid of salvation and just 3x the tanks threat generation because threat management and targeting skull is too difficult for the average dps player.
>>586567530everything going to be viable for levelling since they're boosting class power. it's gonna be retail-tier easy in order to justify selling a level boost
FUCK WHAT DO I PLAY
>>586567572Just grab the nearest Gnomeahole, no one will stop you.
what's bonsu damage?
>>586566854imagine wanting a 8-sec cooldown ability that's identical to lightning bolt in evey aspect except 20% dmg bonus
>>586567426leveling as healer isn't a pillar.if you play healer you love healing and dungeons so you now get to do more dungeons nazi chud
>>586567675>The Piercing ice talent has been removed.The what?
>>586567589Remove rogues, make an anti-mage class. It's the exact same thing as rogue with new themeing. Attempt to sue valve over dota and lose again. Sneak in cloak of shadows.
>>586567370>rogue>huge buffs
>>586567414>5% more attack speed from flurryHOLY MASSIVE
Did they just turn riptide into a glorified renew? That's boring.
So it seems like Blizzard is trying to make every class kinda OP right? I think that's a good thing
>>586567654nah they wont do that, if anything it will just be a damage nerf inside BGs
>>586567715Not him but you clearly didn't read anything bro.
>Pets now gain 2 Health per point of Master’s Stamina (was 7.5 Health per point of Master’s Stamina).OofWarlock pets are going to fold in half now lmao
>>586567589>gives rogues the ability to cast the spell that they kicked most recently.Rogues would never have a spell stolen if that's the mechanic
>>586566015wtf lolI guess resto with stormstrike could be cool for pvp
>>586567774Yes they straight up said we're making everyone strong now. The philosophy of give and take is out the window before it even started.
>>586567715>ambush out of stealth part of your rotation>massive talent tree bloat removed>damage modifier talents improved>vigor accessible by every build nowThis shit is nutty so far
>>58656773530% more damage on their best button and reduced CD
Sub sapping 2 targets is kind of based
>>586567774They just made ranged OP. Warrior is absolutely fucked in pvp right now. At least rogues can stealth, and 2 shot casters before they can do anything.
>Lied about horizontal progression>Lied about making Rogue the number 1 dps class>Lied about balancing this game around classic instead of turning it into retail>Lied about no rppvpWhat else
the game isn't even out yet and I'm already SO fucking tired of Blizzard
>>586567863Did you see shank? And all of it's talent perks?
>>586567842So why doesn't Mage have Arcane Barrage, their strongest spell?
>rogue buffed>enh shaman buffedyeah I'm stickin to my plate wearing ret pally thanks
>>586566678to stop people farming them from duels? I was still holding out hope theyd just let them stack, even to like 2 would be amazing
>Relentless Strikes change to a 5-point talent granting a 4/8/12/16/20% chance per Combo Point to restore 25 Energy (was 1 point granting 20% per combo point).
>>586565001Plainsrunning now grants 2% movement speed per stack (was 1%), for a total max increase of 60% (was 30%).hahahah holy. shit
>*disrobes, camera shows legs and robe hitting the ground*Well… is this what you wanted… /wowfg/?
>>586567659Threat literally isnt a factor anymore lmao every tank now deals 5 gorillion percent more threat
>>586567927Yo momma raised a bitch it seems.
>>586567938I'm not even half way done reading these rogue changes and I'm thrilledI need a calculator right fucking now
>>586567735if you don't think changing flurry from 5 points to 3 AND buffing the attack speed is huge you're retardedflurry is one of the best dps talents in the gameplus fury got other buffs too
>>586564052>He's playing on the PvE serverExplain yourself.
>>586567937fell for it again award
>tauren still fuckedthanks dicks.
>>586567715sorry anon but here we consider 0.001325% theoretical damage against simulated opponent as pretty fucking big deal.Yeah, none of rogues problems got fixed but who cares, the talents you were going to pick anyways are not located in different parts of the tree so you can click them in different order!
I tried to come up with some kind of interesting leveling/pvp spec for mage but it seems deep frost trumps all once againnot even worth it dipping into Missile Barrage desu
>>586567937they really just can't fucking help themselves, huh?
>>586567863Vigor is a bad talent
so rp-pvp is gonna be a gankfest or kino? give me the answers
>>586567329Retard
>>586567329Warrior is fine? I'd say arms needed the most love and it did get some.
>>586568027wackmy mount should go faster
Are the paladin changes just the leaked/datamined changes? I assume holy didn't get much more.
>>586567952Just press ShivI mean Shank
>>586568056Either Grobb tier greatness or folded within 6 months
I JUST FELL TO MY KNEES AT WALMART WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS????WHY
>>586567941I'm literally quoting them
I can’t believe what they did to Mages. What the frick do I play now?
>>586567964*camera pans up, its just empty space, shakes a bit and pans back down, its a female gnome*
>>586567952>moved out of reach of combat and subthanks blizz
>>586568127it's based & fuck priestspilled
>>586567937You refunded your pre-order and got a 14-day friend code... right?
>>586567715Every build can get dirty deeds now and if you get the improved Poised shit your openers are reduced by 70 energy
>Horizontal progressionWell actually it's vertical and we'll have to do stat squishes eventually. >Classic CombatYeah, we're just going to give everyone absurdly overpowered damage and remove all uniqueness of the classes.>Threat ManagementToo hard for dps players, 3x all tank threat so they never lose aggro.>Balanced Engaging WorldRanged classes will kill you so fast that you won't even have time to react.
>>586568027Race changes are from week or two ago, no idea why they keep including them in the notes
>>586565001Rogue sisters, we back?
>>586568056
>>586568127Because you get it passively on every heal at 50% now.
>>586567785>>586567863shank and poised sound like dogshit and relentless strikes is now even further away. i do not take hrt or play this game as my job so i do not care about damage numbers. if the energy flow feels like shit the class will be shit, and it looks like its going to feel like shit.
>It's literally SoD again
>>586568127t-they are making it base
>rogue notesWe're so back
>>586568248i would cum so hardgod i wish
>>586568127PoM is still there.
>>586568027meh, taurens are the most aesthetic race anyway, thats the only reason you need to roll one.Crying about racial buffs is faggot-tier behaviour anon, go play retoilet if you wanna meta-whore that badly.
>>586568236Maybe actually read the patch notes.
>>586568221Because they were data-mined and posted anywhere and everywhere *except* the official Blizz forums.
>>586568248they did say a bunch of pre-30 stuff was intentionally disabled in the betayou are about to witness SoD+
>>586568045Sure thing buddy. I bet you think the Nightslayer set bonus sucks too.
>Orcs still have Command??????????????????
This really is looking like is going to be retail-
I swear, some of you people are so fucking miserable that I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you. Do you just see the negative in absolutely everything?I see changes like this and it makes me excited, we got a lot of NEW things. I want NEW things in my WoW Forever. I want old WoW as the core foundation, but new UNSOLVED things within it. Classes all just being like classic was gay as fuck, I've played Classic a billion times.This shit is looking mighty tasty. I'm willing to gaze directly into the abyss and I wanna see what looks back at me.LET US RIDE THIS SWIRLING CHAOS AND SEE WHERE IT BRINGS US!
thats it this is the last fucking straw im fucking out
>>586568229WE ARE SO BACK
got 14 days free time, if i try to make a character after the pre load is done will that allow me to or do you need that gay ass edition
how are the tanks currently?
Best alliance race for warrior pvp?
>>586568248Literally fell for it again award ahaha
i'm revising my estimates of how long it's going to take forever to become retail from 12 months to 2 months
>>586568009I'm an unc, i don't have enough free time to fuck around in world pvp.
Are PvP servers players aware that they're playing on a funserver instead of a vanillalike server? You didn't get into fights every 5 minutes in 2005.
RESTO SHAMAN STATUS???????????????????
>>586568389You can't make a character until launch, that's what the pre-order was for.
>>586568248I warned you nigga, I warned you.Enjoy weekly balance upheavals in your "forever" game!
>we gave everyone a fuckton more damage and stopped trying to maintain classic power levelsOkay so its gonna be like SoD where everyone dies in a global and healing is useless
They've lost their minds. They've actually lost their fucking minds.
>>586568236Buddy I do t give a shit about damage numbers. I am here to kill mother fuckers out in the open who are trying to enjoy the game and these tools are exactly what I need
Is tanking just retail now?
They better make some kino high end elite zones if they're buffing up people this much and only compensating with some general mob HP scaling. Them Acknowledging it'd be stupid to stick TOO close to Vanilla for combat is good, assuming they have the fucking capacity they've never shown before to not stray too far and make up for it with stronger end game areas, but they sure do not have a good track record right now to prove they can or will.
>>586568469Still good. Riptide being a renew sucks, but it needed a nerf.
So how do we get those new talents or whatever? I see some of them are like level to 30 or get your proff to 300 for 1 point. But thats not very many points and it seems like the trees want like 20 points?
>every tank generates fuck_you% more threat just becausewowie i can hold threat with a fucking butter knife now
>>586568248>sod with no meme tanks or mage healerkino>but i liked mage healer dood!!?dw now they can put into a whole new class instead of making mage more retarded
>>586568127because you get it built into flash heal>>586568235only flash heal, but thats fine because binding and flash healed someone else the exact same amount before now you dont have to think
>>586568401All homogenized to be the same thing and made braindead easy
>>586568525& that's based
>>58656846931 points for Renew with a different spell icon
>>586568248GOD I FUCKING WISHSoD rogue was amazing
>>586568423Night elf female
>>586568340>SoD+>No mage heal>No Lock tank>No Rogue tank>No new meme specs>No new meme races>Fucking sky elves SoD-
Maybe they'll keep this up after release and that one anon who wanted a constantly changing meta will have his wish granted.
Over the course of Beta, we came to the realization that trying to hold ourselves roughly to Classic power budgets for each class meant that every new element we added needed to come at the expense of something else. Those reductions left some iconic abilities feeling lackluster, and closed the door to other potentially exciting design options. So over the last two weeks, we’ve raised damage on classes across the game, and have increased the health of higher level creatures to compensate.
>>586565574Rogue major buffs, what do u mean??Level 24, you Shank (5 Energy off-hand strike for 50% weapon damage and grants 15/25 Energy, it is literally an on demand mini Thistle Tea every 10 seconds that cannot miss and procs off-hand poison....no imagine that with venom and HoJ blade flurry...Rogue is S tier now.
>>586568467>You didn't get into fights every 5 minutes in 2005.i did with my damn sister! she was always talkin on the frickin phone!!!
>threat doesn't matter anymore>levelling will be easy as shit because of the damage increase>removing tons of mechanics>token and level boost all but guaranteed to be comingslap that fell for it again award on my chest nigger
>>586568423gnome>>586568593renew doesnt have a CD
I manifested SoD into Forever. Yes, I am responsible. Next I will manifest SoD dungeons into the game in one form or another.Wait and see. Wait and see.
>>586568526They literally went full schizo and totally broke the game before it even officially released
ngl shamans won biglyalso lmao at that loser ahlaundoh crying that they removed retail burst from ele>>586567530probably not until 44 when you can get water shield + enough ele talents. It might be real good for the last 15 levels of leveling though
>>586568384Keep in mind people are jaded for a reason. They want it to be good, but blizzard has given them a good 10+ years to doubt a lot of shit they do.
Rogue Calculator WHEN?
>>586568706yamete
>>586568549>dps do more damage>buff tank threat to compensate>OH WOWEEEE GOLLY GEE THIS IS LIKE MY RETAIL THREATYou people are literally brainless. My blood pressure goes up reading these threads when new updates come out at this point jesus fucking christ. You people are so fucking retarded it's unbelievable.
>>586567181seriously , rogue has to be one of the best pvp and pve classes now there are so many possible ways to play.
>turn relentless strikes into an assassination-only talentI don't know what to think about this, it's the opposite of baseline
>150% int into atk pwr>150% weapon damage from stormstrikeResto can now windfury delete someone in pvp with full healer gear if they dare to get close to you
>>586568706ty for your servicesod was fun for phase 1 and then everyone leftforever will be fun for 1 patch and then everyone will move on
>>586568658So basically fuck PvP
>>586568659Ass turns shank into envenom, combat makes it give more energy and reduces cd by 2 seconds and sub gets 2 combo points. They've pretty much made this random new ability the core of each spec.
>massive damage buffs>zero health buffsThis place and reddit are going to be crying endlessly about wpvp.
>>586568805holy pally chads stay winning
it sucks that they completely gutted riptide, but anyone could have seen that coming after they completely gutted wildgrowth (and resto druid in general) far worse. At least its just Riptide the tank and spam comfy chain heal with no thoughts now.
>>586567530It might be, but enhance will be smoother. They buffed Lightning Bolt, CL, and Shocks a healthy bit, but enhance also getting buffs while being more mana efficient and benefitting from the general buffs too just makes it a lot nicer to keep moving with.
>>586568706Can you help me manifest big XP buffs for dungeons?
Guys......I'm scared. What the fuck is happening?
Bros i was planing to go on RP-PVE but i'm scared that even with this mega server bullshit it will end up dead as fuck. Should i just bite the bulled and go RP-PVP ? How bad can it be ? I'm rolling war with a priest bro', alliance.
>>586568807This does sound kinda based.
I will be playing on the pve server where class balance doesnt matter so none of this concerns me
>>586568805Where's holy paladin?
>Lava Burst removed
Can we still refund ?
>>586568869parsing is pvp
>>586568549Imagine if they doubled every class's DPS output, but left tank aggro the same
>>586568886You know where it is.
>>586568831turtlesisters it's gonna be just like home
>>586565003why would anyone take this FUCKING SNAKE seriously
>>586568916It didn't have a guaranteed crit, it was a waste of a spell, and they turned chain lighting back into a nuclear bomb.
>>586568851Beta was to gauge interest to publishers for more resources to be put into ForeverLaunch is early access and they'll figure it out as they go.
>>586568938si pablo
I will never find a single group as a rogue but i don't even care, I can't not go rogue now
>>586568549they deleted salvation
>Ghostly Strike now also causes your next Ambush or Garrote cast within 7 seconds to not require Stealth
>>586568807https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGmHVNLDxFw
how do you level with friends?do you just run 2 characters and have one that you ONLY play with your friends or do you just go main only and "sorry bro i kept playing after u got off"
So Rogue, Shaman and Hunters are just absofuckinglutely bonkers now?
>Hemorrhage is now 20 energy>with this new improved poised shit>and this new energy gain ability
Is frostfire mage a real spec
druid changes are real we are the raped
>>586568942parsing is pvp against your own spec
>>586568831But I thought this was World of WARcraft?
>>586568860SOMEONE PLEASE
>>586568754blizz would have way less issues with shit if they did more dev notes explaining each change
>>586567354>idk I’m free to make up whatever I want about retail.>spiritually a niggerproving my point>Who’s going to refute me?Me.>Why can’t you just admit the games an unplayable jokethe only people that say this got filtered a decade or more agoyou're a shitterits okmost of you aredon't try to act all high and mighty because we both know you're the bottom of the barrell living in your mother's fucking basementyou couldn't fight your way out a wet paper bagshitternice chattin' with you asshole>>586567363based
>>586568658In other words>we're bad at game design and promised hybrid players something that is impossible, warrior level dps on every class, but the game will be balanced >after reading redditors cry about not being able to heal instantly to full for 5 mana, while recording their one shot pvp montages we decided to just make everything broken for every class>except warriors, fuck them. No new mobility, no mitigation, no healing.>everyone else gets stronger though.
>>586569056yeponly for pve though I think
THEY DID IT ANONSELE SHAMAN IS SAVEDWE GOING HOME
>Drain Soul: This chance for this spell to grant a Soul Shard on dealing damage (not a kill) has been reduced significantly.Its somewhat common to see QoL buffs in video games but have you ever see a QoL nerf this massive before? I'm honestly struggling to believe this is real.
>>586568886alliance shamans will be too underplayed so they have to make holy paladin good and nerf resto shaman. this is an alliance game you know
>Defensive Stance: Threat bonus increased from 30% to 80%.What in the fuck? So threat is just a pointless mechanic now.
>went from druid to mage to rogueI WILL rush to 35 and camp in every bush in STV forever
Enhance leveling is going to be so easy mode now.
>>586568938I don't see why not, but if you haven't already what the fuck was taking you so long?
>>586569023I never had trouble finding groups as Rogue in the beta, I don't understand the take that it is impossible
ngl sometimes i'll invite a rogue to my dungeon groups, but i never invite hunters ever
Are we all just prey to rogues? Is this why we were created, just to be farmed by sneaky little shits vomiting out disgusting levels of damage?The new Shiv stuff is nasty.What can mere mortals do against such overwhelming power?
>dead set on dwarf shaman since beta>these racial changes and class buffs>found divorced dad guild to level withits going to be a good time
>>586569034You do the latter and then play with them again at 50 or 60 when the gap closes
>>586569170salv removed and damage buffed on dps, threat had to get increased
>>586569119>blessing of salvation has been removedWhat more explanation do you need? People are retarded if they can't implicitly comprehend what they see.
>>586569034>do you just run 2 characters and have one that you ONLY play with your friendsyeahI have virtually unlimited playtime and my friends are wagie normoids so it just doesn't work otherwise
>>586569119It sucks that explaining everything in excessive detail and why, as if the playerbase was 8 years old, is needed. Kinda makes me understand why some people seem to get so mad when they have to correct someone saying something retarded.
>>586569132Warriors did get buffed tho? Read the patch notes.
>>586568916lavaburst is gaychain lightning doing giga damage is kino
>>586568554Healed the exact same amount and costed the same too. It’s pointless redundancy.
This is unironically too many numbers for me to actually calculate the level of change other than "big"
Can I get away with levelling as Sub? I know there aren't many easy to attain daggers while levelling, but sword Sub doesn't seem so bad.
>>586569119retards will seethe anyway, just let 'em lol
>>586569170imagine this gif and instead of russia it said foreverand instead of the soviet union it said retail
>rogues are happyforever is ruined. RUINED
holy shit anyone not rolling rogue on the PvP server is going to get brutally RAPED.
No but seriously, where THE FUCK is the updated Rogue calculator
>>586568916it's fucking awesome, we're back to chain lightning nukeGOOD DAY TO BE AN ELE MAIN
Do you guys understand what just happened to Enhance?Even the Ele buffs are a buff to enhance. Base spell damage helps Enhance out a ton. Enhance just double dipped, it got huge buffs for itself and it is partaking in Ele's buffs. Absolutely lunacy.
Lightning/Chain lightning fags are just drooling retards who want to press one button all raid.
when will it be viable for survival hunters to use 2hs? i dont want to larp as that faggot drizzt
>Riptide: Mana cost reduced by about 40%. Cooldown increased to 12 seconds from 6 seconds. Riptide no longer deals any initial healing, just healing over time.Holy shit playing a Resto Shaman just got 5000% times more miserable>Improved Ghost Wolf moved from 2nd row to 4th row.Ok and leveling one too
>>586569340it felt like it was added just for litany so you could rotate between them, and litany is kinda w/e honestly
everyone keeps saying resto shaman is like one button for like dungeons and stuff, is this true? healer seems scary because i don't want to run out of mana and then see the impending wipe with nothing i can do because i was retarded
>>586569042I don’t think shaman is as bonkers as you claim. Lb is still only 78% of nilla and those free spell casts will only do 39% damage. CL is respectable now but still it’s 145% of a spell 78% as strong so it’s not going to be quite as powerful as nilla.
>curseIt would be a shame if...
>>586569159But holy paladin is looking to be objectively the worse healer in almost all metrics.
>>586569424wowhead are lazy faggots
>>586569513those metrics are for retards though
>>586569170>tfw the rogue and hunter are going beast mode on the mob but your judgment is on CD and your slow autos are only doing +30% aggro gen
Okay im happy with the rogue changes. More energy and another button to press was exactly what I wanted. I was going rogue either way but this is nice.
I cant wait for the fell for it again awards from pvpcucks complaining about class balance you have to be retarded to play pvp again after sod lmao.
>Serrated Blades moved to Row 3 (was Row 4).Wait, doesn't that mean every spec can get it now? We just get free Armor Penetration regardless of spec?
>>586569407>stv filled with 1,000 rogues in stealth
Is it really a good idea to let 30% chance elemental overload, Troll haste, buffed crit chance, rebuffed chain lightning, elemental mastery cast speed shamans out into the wild?
Would Whitemane approve of me choosing Arms Warrior?
>>586569319Oh boy, a whole 3% extra 2h weapon damage in arms, and 3 seconds off the slam cooldown. Warriors are saved!
>>586569494zugzug
>>586567632ya more or less
>>586569485>healer seems scaryi did it as a gay retarded childi raid healedit is literally the easiest role in the game
>>586569454oh no you get improved wolf a few levels later, what a disaster
>>586569592that's all it takes for browns to become gods
>>586568248Lmfao I wish. SoD classes were actually fun to play and needed more than 2 buttons.
>any braindead tard can tank now>dont have to do the MT/raid lead combo>can have fun as rogue it's all coming together
>>586569407>>586569582all is as it should be
>>586569494Its a pve only talent
>>586569407...roll feral druid?
i ain't rolling pvp with those rogue changes, niggafuck no, im out
>>586569581Dude all the fun shit was lowered a tier to be accessibleDIRTY DEEDSVIGORMUTILATE
>>586569552Sounds like a skill issue if you wasted both your judgements.
>Elemental is no longer "Elemental"Should just rename the tree to "Lightning" then
>>586569583yes
I wanted to tank, but it's looking like I should just roll rogue to troll people on the pvp server.
>>586569552>rogue and hunter get aggro and vanish/feign/fucking die and learn to watch the threat meter instead of big dick meterback to 2004 tactics we go
kinda want to go mage
>>586569581Im pretty sure we dont take that talent since other classes do it better for less.
i thought forever was just going to be classic with new zones and quests
>all these rogue changes before release>pvp goes from 40/60 to 30/70
>>586569552Good thing I'm not a palacuck that thinks he can tank.
>>586564052Is it possible to set up your add-ons right now before launch?
>be human>eat rogues for breakfast>don't have to deal with OP broken gnome roguesanother horde giga L
>zero mobility buffs for warriors>zero hope of even being able to pvp with giga buffed ranged damageis there even any point to playing this shit class?
>>586569454This is better no? You have to cast riptide to get the chain healing boost and it will mostly just be overheal. Now the riptide cost less, and has less overheal potential. The cooldown doesnt matter due to the fact it last 15 seconds.
>>586569748Storm comes first on the totem pole.
>>586569765I'm going Arms WarriorWould Asa approve...
Why would someone roll on PvP and literally pay a monthly sub to get camped by xXUndeadRougeXx multiple times a day?
>>586569789It's SoD 2.0. Have fun getting 1 shot by ranged dps. It's phase 1 starsurge but on hunters, mages, and rogues.
>>586569798>the farther you go down the list of notes for rogue, the better each spec sounds
>>586569789you're getting sod lite, which will morph into sod
>>586569832free honor for my hunter :)
>>586566871Why?
>>586569713>Its a pve only talentWhy would Sub have a pve only capstone?
>>586569881To grief and gank lowbies.
rogue is my favorite ranged class
>>586569605i hate getting mogged by gay retarded children, maybe i'll try resto shaman for forever i have a day to think about it
>dirty deeds accessible by every build>vigor accessible by every build>this new Poised shit>this new Shank shit
>>586569936why not? le pvp specs can be mixes anyway
>>586569832Guess not. Maybe you better go play something on retail.
>>586569748They made lava burst so unappealing to use that they gave up on the tenants on shamanism just to push lightning because they couldn't solve lava burst.
WoW GoyimForever
>>586569935Everything has mana burn
>>586569748we need a lightning shock, makes you take increased magic damage for 3-5 seconds or something
>And this is all merely a starting point for the classes in Forever, which will continue to evolve over the course of the months and YEARS ahead just as they did following the original launch in 2004.>Launch: November 23, 2004>Patch 1.12.0: August 22, 2006How many years bro please
>>586565001>relentless strikes moved to row 5 and is now a 5 point talentholy fucking nerf>but muh shankgotta burn a gcd for the same effect
>>586569936They seem to want to finally, FINALLY make sub pve-viable
>>586569931>>586569990ill just roll pve instead
NO FUCKthey should have waited to release the notes.NOBODY was going to play rogue. It was a DEAD FUCKING CLASS. I was going to be cool and unique now a bunch of you FOTM NIGGERS are going to take that away from me. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU BLIZZARD FUCK YOU STREAMERS AND FUCK YOU /wowfg/
>>586570056rogues are not a gcd capped class
>>586570072get cucked, now roll priest
>>5865700412 years and then it morphs into flying toilets so they can release Forever Classic.
>>586570072so now you compete with 47 other rogues not getting invited to dungeons instead of 31, big whoop
REMINDER:RP-PvE is simply the superior choice.>No streamers or mouthbreathing Twitch zoomers, just mature adults who value and appreciate the lore and setting>No spergy sweaties breathing down your neck and rage-disbanding raids after 1 wipe because it damaged their ego (logs)>No botters/RMT because there's no demand; no GDKP slop because nobody even knows what that means>No overtuned FotMers ganking you from another layer or camping your body while you're trying to experience the new world and content>Kino, immersive atmosphere where the world feels authentic, alive and lived in; more sandbox than theme park>Emergent gameplay and events where the entire server turns up to witness and participate in the spectacle>Will still have active players long after the other rulesets die in 6 months because there is more to do than gank questers and raidlog (see: Moon Guard)>Much more cohesive, friendly, considerate, and cooperative playerbase overall; players are socially driven and not playing just to chase a carrot on a stick>Diversified economy with many niches since people actually care about toys and cosmetics, not just mats and consumables that make numbers go up>Get to be a big fish in a small pond since you are surrounded by casuals>Game is easy enough that you will have no trouble progressing with casuals anyway>Can still PvP whenever you want with cross-ruleset BGs and things like organized gladiator bouts in Gurubashi>Don't even have to RP as long as you are respectful of those who do and don't actively try to grief them>Might even discover that you enjoy RP and come to appreciate the game in a whole new lightSee you there, bros.
>>586570072they should still really let rogues tank so i can play one too
Pikaboo said he's going to farm everyone with the new rogue changes.It's over...
>Fixed an issue where Dalaran Summoners were really amazingly good at summoning and would summon until their little hearts couldn’t summon anymore. And then they’d summon some more anyway.Wait does anyone have footage of this?
>no shadow step>no cloak of shadows>main cds are still 5 min instead of 3Still won't play your garbage class
Are you whiners happy? Elemental and enhance are literally 3 button specs now
>>586568830at 60 on 31/20 talent you Poised + Composure is going to be busted>first ability out of combat costs -20 Energy.>Cheap Shot>Shank Rank + Venom>energy back to 100>Mutilate>Now at 5-CP Eviscerate with energy 65>Mutilate energy 15>A SECOND 5-CP Eviscerate Bre-bis ~8,850 to 9,500+ damage in one stunlock window without thistle tea or any major cds.
I'm sorry what
>mage hits you with frost nova, then two taps you with ice lane>rogue opens on you and you're dead before the cheapshot wears off>hunter freezing traps you and casts enough damage on you before the aimed shot travel even hitsWoweee thanks mr blizzard man. What a fun and engaging game!
>>586570072Dead class? they literally get 40 free energy. Sub is going to go insane.
>>586570167shutup streamerfag
>>586570005Thanks, didn't know that. Yeah silence does rape paladin
So if you pop a Thistle Tea you can double dip on this new Poised shit?
>>586570184pickpocket bot talent
>>586570229If you vanish, sure
>>586570176Yes I am happy now
>>586570184They keep giving these classes that aren’t mage better CC than mage, you know, the CC class?
>>586570156>I can't handle the slightest bit of friction caused by the immersive faction war so I will join a containment server and gloat about it :)you read some wild shit here
just give earth shield at this point or chain harvest already
>>586570184huge dungeon utility lets go
>>586570072I'm glad it will take attention away from hunters. Do the normies even read patch notes?
this is resto shamans 9/11
>>586570184This will be completely busted in BGs rogues will be able to generate a net advantage for their team just by spamming sapit's also not enough to keep a cap safe even with 2 people defending now
>>586570229It might be weird on gnome since you'll have 115? Energy but yeah it should with vanish.
>>586570194Blame the shitty pvp tourney where every fight got dragged out for over 2 minutes, even for the non healers.
Warrior or Paladin for tanking?
>>586569765I'm going warrior with my priest friend.
>>586570184so now you need 3 people to hold a flag in AB against 1 rogue, cool
>>586570180is that including eureka
I was going to play paladin but with the rogue buffs I think it's time to go druid and faerie fire and root every undead rogue nigger I see
>Every rogue that sees you will now sap you just so they can move faster>Any time you're with another player a rogue can just keep you both sapped for the lulz>Any time you're with 3-4 players, the rogue can sap 2, blind another
>>586570194The game world is more realistic and immersive if in pvp you just get one shot ambushed by a bullet/arrow/icicle through your skull or a knife in your back.
Bros the new Rogue changes are based but I still can't decide if I wanna roll as Undead or Troll
>>586569836What made the old Riptide great was the fact that it was an amazing emergency heal, and it's 6 second cooldown with it's 15 HoT duration gave you some flexibility with your chain healing since you could have the tank marked, and an extra target. Now the cooldown is too long to comfortable juggle 2 Riptide targets and the emergency heal part is gone, which not only sucks for PvE but also PvP.
>>586570407>shadowstep>rapes unothing personnel
Are the Holy Paladin changes good? What do we think of Light's Vigil just being healing now and the new Oath talent?
any sites have working new talent trees yet?
>>586570354Oh yeah I was thinking double sap was already disgusting but double sap on a node is crazy. Double sap into stunlocking a third. yuck.
>>586569898>>586569914Always was going to be.>>586570072You're not invited either way
>>586568830>Ass turns shank into envenomnot even close buddy
>>586564273beds in orgrimmar dont look like that
>instantly fixing venom by just making it a passive that effectively turns Shank into Envenom without the damage burstBros, they're cooking and it's not just thistle tea
>>586570421And still, mage can only polymorph one target at a time, when mass polymorph is proven to be a non-issue spell.
LITERALLY WHY
>>586568916real lava burst players KNOW its about flame shokcing fags and proccing insta multi target lava bursts. none of that was in the game and it was just a shitty button someone pushed because "nooo chain lightning bad!" they got fucked
>>586564052>Upcoming /wowfg/ NA Guilds<FUN HAVERS> PvE Alliance | https://discord.gg/XBd4VWnquc<Clover Club> RP-PvE Alliance | https://discord.gg/Zn2uWkkpbc<Remigration> PvP Horde | https://discord.gg/K9QgFCzxf<Fourchan Guild> PvP Alliance | Discordless>Upcoming /wowfg/ EU Guilds<Wrench> PvE Horde | https://discord.gg/mVPNFmXp5<Fourchan Guild> PvP Alliance | Discordlesscan we get this in the OP, threadposter?
>>586570184>in a BG>2 rogues>4 saps
>>586570510But the ones in Stormwind does!
>>586570439excuse me I'm the one with shadowstep :)
>hunterthis is me>warrior, shaman, warlock, mage, priestthis is food>paladinthis is food that takes a bit to kill>rogue/druidthis is food that sometimes can get away
>>586570548holy fuck
>>586570156I'm going RP, not because i'm on a RP server on retail (it sucks huge balls, even the RP part), but because the RP server on classic and SOD was really comfy and people were actually being nice to each others and doing some light RP while playing in the world.
>>586570310>earth shieldBUILDING MOMENTUM https://youtu.be/i3bz7aeqCXM
>>586570548>5 rogues>other team doesn't even get to play
>>586570524I didnt even know you could get a shard outside of killing blows?
>>586570184im never stepping into AV bunker
I now understand. They nerfed dungeon xp because you're going to spend 99% of your time corpse running back to your body after some faggot 2 shots you questing.
>>586570621you could in the beta. it did proc quite often.
>>586570390Not including Eureka , flat damage from basic pre-prebis from the latest 113276 patch into wowsim
>In Forever this is accomplished by doubling down on the strengths and differences that make each class unique, rather than overly unifying them.they bow to madseason
>>586570548>>586570618alright, revert this shit right now what the fuck
>>586570562>dudu>sleeps your pet>roots u>rapes ufeign death wont work
>>586570438At this point, they should have considered something like healing rain if shaman are just going to be the premiere multi heal through CL bot.
These prot paladin changes are insane, there's no way warrior is better
Which is better for PvP hunter? Nelf or Human?
>>586570692Mage in Forever has no strengths or differences, just straight up garbage design.
>>586570692i mean isn't that a good thing
Please delete paladin and druid from the game
AAAAH SO FUCKING CLOSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>586570701>spurs>carrot>gloves>probably something else they'll add in forever>two rogues run up road in AV>double sap conga line getting the 100% speeds into the 60% speeds>slow 25 people down roguebros, we eatin
>>586570778nelf
>play druid>bear form for the rogue damage>faerie fire so they can't vanish>faster than them so they can't run away>can remove poison and blind>beast so immune to sap
>>586570778previously I would say go with what you preferin this new dark age of rogues, you are trolling yourself if you dont go human or dwarf on anything that can
Wanna know why I love these patch notes? Because there's enough changes in there to keep us busy for 2 days till release. Legit, so fucking good just for that alone.I love big disruptive changes like this.
>>586570794it is a good thing and yes some classes and specs should be worse than others
>rogues WILL be the best dps Im sorry for doubting aggrend
>>586570706>pet>pvplol>freeze trap you>trinket root or wait for it to expire>get to 51 yards away>sniper shot 1 shot you
>>586570759But it is
>deathmark is a CURSEORC RACIAL STONKS THROUGH THE ROOF
>>586570307I'm not sure how you interpret that as gloating.Anyway, have fun out there, buddy.
>>586570692Let's not pretend this shit wasn't being worked on for weeks before that whiny cuck put his video out
>>586570706just hope the hibernate doesn't break on the first heartbeatthat happened to me on the beta and after going for a second hibernate cast I had 40% hp by the time it finisheddeleted my character on the spot
>>586570837Fuck you that was supposed to be my job as the mage!!!!!!!
>>586570373okay tranime poster
Was already going Rogue. Probably rolling on PvE now to avoid competing with a bunch of pvpshitters for raid spots.
>PLEASE GO RP-PVP
"pvp server is the real game"chuds were getting too uppity, had to receive correctionnow join Olympus
I was going to play Horde but now I kind of want to play Gnome Rogue
>Prot paladin undeadNational Socialism>Prot warrior orcBlitzkrieg Thuggerism>Tauren Druid?
>>586570873yes
They literally just killed any semblance of any PvP parity UNTIL RAIDS AT THE LEASTUnplug the controller dog, forfeit the mode
>>586570868and then shit gets reverted, changed, or whatever crap that is OFFFICALLY decided (these are just ads) when we know for a fact in a week after launch something like earthen fury will just come back
>>586570904obvious pve talent no one will use in pvporc anti warlock racial continues to be useless
I made my rogue before these notes during name reservation, everyone said I was going to suffer, you were all so goddamn smug, but who's laughing now motherfuckers?
>>586565148The devs are so insanely retarded. It should have been obvious to them 6 months ago that this needed to be done it's not something they should have rushed out 1 day before release.
>>586570863Druids and hunters are going to be on rogue wrangling duty. Especially with how much physical damage hunters are going to be shitting out now on a leather class that can't tank up as well as a druid going bear.
>Step foot into STV>Edgelord rogues that think they're Zed keep using Death Mark on me and blowing me up.Cool.
>>586570736>if shaman are just going to be the premiere multi heal through CL botI mean with the loss of the old Riptide outside of a Nature swiftness+Healing wave, in terms of healing the class is literally a 1 button healing spec through Chain Heal alone. Like, what does Resto bring that no other Shaman spec does? Mana Totem gets overriden by the Paladin blessing anyway. And it's not like Resto is the only one who has access to Windfury totem
>>586570547><Clover Club> RP-PvE Alliance>not pvp anymoreThe fuck happened?
>>586570915Don't need hiberate, nature's grasp is baseline and druids can root multiple targets.
>look to your left>one guy gets sapped>look to your right>the other guy gets sapped
>>586570939none of the fags in this gay thread have made a guild (read: a discord server) for horde RP-PVP guildtherefore i will abstain from making it my home until that point in time.
>>586570958Fag
is there any site with updated talent tree? i want to check rogue how good the rogue talents are without reading back and forth.
>>586570971there's no rated pvp so why do you care
>>586571050Sissies won
total resto shaman death
>>586570903not for long. fatrend yearns to make his class better than everything else
>>586571047mana spring doesnt stack with wisdom?
>>586571000there is going to be a thread with 1k updoots calling for nerfs before they get into the office tomorrowyou really thought we would let this stand?
how do people not find the idea of a dodge tank (rogue) cool as fuck
>>586568860The Grobbulus discord is all going RP-PVP and that was well over 10k players, that's just ONE group of RP-PVP players that are joining the server
>>586571096there wasn't any rating in vanilla or classic either, what are you on about?
>>586568659relentless strikes unobtanium for non-assassin builds now. we lose a gcd for the same energy regen. nice buff
>>586565158So Stormstrike is now the strongest melee attack in the game at 150% damage on a 6s cooldown? Seems huge.
Will they increase mob and boss hp? Surely they will...
>>586570661play pvp servers get pvp prizes
Someone give me the pros and cons of each tank please
double sap is really not healthy for pvp in the game. is blizzard just randomly changing anything for the sake of it now?>they also move faster when they sap youfucking delete it NOW
>play pvp server>get ganked repeatedly and spend a lot of time corpse running for no reasoni sleep>play pvp server>get ganked repeatedly and spend a lot of time corpse running for no reason, except this time you died to a different abilityREAL SHIT? IT'S SO OVER WHY DID I ROLL A PVP SERVER AHHHHHH
>literally every spec works for leveling, there are no bad choicesRoguebros, we're so back it can't even be measured
>>586571047Regardless of what idiots are saying about buff exclusivity, you still want 2 shaman to split the totems. Granted, you might just be better bringing an elemental shaman doing overload turret crit shit instead of resto.
PvP happened on a PvP server QQz
>Mental Dexterity: Now increases the Shaman’s Attack Power by 50/100/150% of Intellect, up from 33/67/100%.So any sort of STR gear on Shaman is deadBut STR has more agi substat than INT shitGonna befucking fun gambling crits now>neerfed improved ghost wolfSUGOIIIIIIIIIII THIS KILLS 50% OF THE POTENTIAL SHAMAN PLAYERBASE. Only the strongest will survive getting to 60 now
>>586571140too similar to druidthe real juice is caster tank warlock, and it was already used in raids in niller to boot
RP PvE is the only real choice
Why would someone willingly play world of Roguecraft?
>arms buffswe're back!!
>>586571154>we lose a gcdWhatever are you going to do? Fitting in all those button presses was so tough even before they added another
>>586571153why do you need balance in a game with zero stakes? just have fun 1 shotting some cocksucker and getting 1 shot by some other cocksucker
>>586571123Apparently not. If there's a paladin in the group with blessing of wisdom the mana spring gets overriden so you have to swap to healing stream
>>586571275cute gif!
Hey shamans Check THIS out
>>586571235What, this just means STR is 200% Agi is 100% Int is 150%. Str mail is still your ideal. STR/INT is your ideal and Agi mail goes to huntards.
>>586571282because night elf rogue is my original nilla character
>>586571282But im not retarded and gonna roll pve
>>586567124worse, they made it far more expensive
>>586571174>druids unsappableguess I'm going dudu after all
>>586571195Are you all retarded? Chain Heal+Riptide is still godly and yes, enhancment is 100% dead at lv60 nowYou level with one and then you flip to elemental+resto after you farmed enough gear to start raiding in the endgame 5man dungeonsAnd yes you join as Enhancment but roll on Elemental/Resto gear (don't roll resto gear if there is a resto healer so maybe don't invite one)
We still have another day maybe they'll do some final patches before the game launches
>>586571096Wow suddenly honor grinds and rewards dont matter i guess, zoomie
>>586571195Have they finally fixed Ele Shaman in this update?
>>586571308this may come as a surprise zoomie, but people still enjoyed competitive games before ranked matchmaking was commonplace
>RP-PVE
>>586571382>Stormstrikes you>spams purge 6 times>Stormstrikes you again
>>586571398Does Shadowmeld instantly drop combat or does it still wait the 4 or 5 or whatever seconds
>>586571461>final patch notes: priests deleted from the game
>>586571478ele shaman is now only lightning
Demonology still #1
>minigamers realizing the game isn't made for or balanced around their minigames
This really does feel like a Fell for it Again Award. I don't know why I ever cope that Blizzard can make a good game anymore.
>>586571461This is definitely the last update we're getting before launch
>>586571140Rogue is a parry tank
>>586571471>>586571479it's an inherently non-competitive game. don't act like you didn't PvE alterac valley your way to rank 14 like everyone else did
>>586570386>so now you need 3 people to hold a flag in AB against 1 rogue, coolNope. Just one warlock.
>>586565574Rogue changes looking kinda good. I still don't believe it's going to be "top 1 dps" but at least it seems more fun than pressing SnD and Sinister Strike.
THE CALL WAS MADE WARLOCKS ARE DONE
>>586571563I feel the same way about the shaman minigameWhen will they realize the game isn’t made for them
>>586571479For me, it was spending my zoomer years camping the entrance to BRM for months and months and months
>PVP
>>586571605it wasn't like that in vanilla.
Legit what the fuck are they doing? This is SoD tier rogue changes, like what the fuck blizzard?And does anyone even play Mage for more than 5 minutes at Blizzard? Making fire blast and ice lance share 8 sec CD kills the class in pvp and turns it into a shitty turret spec (which now ele, boomy, and warlock do better) I’m not rolling pvp server with that abomination of rogue class design going live
>always leveled combat for optimal mob killing>will level pvp spec this time for maximum rape
>>586571626Roguebros we're so back
It's called Normal ruleset for a reason.
>>586571650and not a single person playing real vanilla cared or even knew what "game balancing" meant
With all this extra energy theres going to be a big difference between a bad rogue and a good rogue
>got the boys together and we're running to scholo>jaws music plays in the background>4 of us all get sapped>healer fucking explodes>nothing else happens for 20 seconds>the meme dps class tries to rez the healer >we all end up sapped again
>>586571652>shitty turret specis casting frostbolt for 2 raid tiers and then fireball for another 2 not literally a turret
>>586571652>clothoids getting rapedNow we just need to nerf warlock and all the subclasses will be abolished
>>586571730>being a normalfag
>>586571531Have they finally fixed Lightning Shaman in this update?
>>586571743Why larp?
>>5865716052019 was WSG all day everyday
>just entered the thread>everyone is losing their fucking minds over roguesuh oh, what happened now? new patch?
>>586571180>pvesissy once again only imagines himself in the submissive ganked role1000 posts like this, not one of them realizes lol
Always wanted to role play as a wc3 tower. Very cool blizzard!
>>586571396More to NOT roll PvP ruleset on launchNot sweaty tryhard to stay ahead of the NEET gankers rogues for many class will make for an extremely miserable experience
>>586571626warlocks are the only players not so bitch made that they cry on reddit that they dont get every shiny new thing everyone else getsthis level of mental fortitude is only made possible by doing nothing but spam shadowbolt for two years straight
>>586571519shadowmeld is just a feint/fade-type aggro dump and doesn't drop combat
is enhance going to be epic in pvp now? should i roll it and be epic?
>pvpers keep trying to shill people to join pvp>rogue happens>pvpers all quit pvp>some retard anons who are only half paying attention that got shilled to will hop on pvp at launch and get mega rapedgrim
>>586571792That's funny i was going to ask you the same thing when i saw this post >>586571650
>>586571792why cry when my class is objectively better than yours? if you care about being the best you'd play my class
where are the updated talent calcs reeeeeeeee
>>586571652>they're scared
>>586571865I played vanilla !
>>586571765>pvp
>>586571782In WoW? It's the best way to play.
>>586571752That was my first thought. Even the new control tools and dps tools. The difference between a good rogue and a bad one will be night and day.
>>586571794Blizzard decided they wanted Rogue's to pin every other class down and brutally rape them in the ass.And so has it been decreed. It's over. WoW Forever has become WoW Finished.
>>586571794rogues can now rape
>>586571785They nuked Lava Burst for more THUNDER CRIT and made Lighting Chain a nuclear tactical nukeElemental shaman might legit top dps charts at lv 60
>he thinks blizzard cares about pvp class balance
I was going to play pvp, but with these fucking rogue changes I'm thinking pve has to be the way. I really don't want to get fucking sapped and 1 shot every 30 seconds.
>PVE
>>586570975All the class changes will be completely reverted to classic era by release.
new>>586571960>>586571960>>586571960
>>586571963They do less damage than they did in Classic...
>>586571997False flag nigger
>>586565158WE ARE SO BACK
>>586571140Rogues should be able to equip shields.
>rogues create a reign of terror in every contested zone>players now group up to quest out of necessity to not get corpse camped>friendships are madebravo aggrend, youve brought the world, and war, back into warcraft.
>>586571257warlock tanking sounds sick>>586571597dual wield parry tank works too
>>586571649Is that palm beach pete?!
>>586571794Rogue might be functional class now
>>586565841YAYI asked for DW to go up to 75% just yesterday
>>586570156>pve Cope sissy
>>586570421two saps, one cuck>sap duo>dismantle one while the other is forced to watch>dismantle the other one
>>586568646all things are possible through Christ and horizontal progression.they could release a trinket that lets you "mage heal" for 10 seconds with a 10 minute cool down
>>586568754Lmao
>>586567531shadow priest literally down from 4 buttons to 3
>>586573183nah we still are pressing death on CD, to inflate our DP and VE healing parses
Should i be scared of rogues if im gonna be going hunter on pvp bros..??
>>586573356yeah until you get pet stun
>>586570156>he doesn't want to see giant hordes of chuds with torches shouting funny video game racism because being a chud is bad or somethingcringe unc
Guess it really is just go priest if you want to heal.
>>586565161projecting. beta of men need to gank and kill easy targets. chads play on pve servers while deleting you in bgs.
>>586573356lolno. they already got raped and now you can freeze trap them in combat. it's never been more over for rogues
