>Latest patch:https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/680765564125186045>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/https://deadlock-api.com/>Unofficial CompetitiveNewshttps://edl.gg/https://www.deadfrag.com/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>586640648
Where are the infernus and wraith nerfs?
I love my flat chest, flat ass, no thighs, no hips wife Violet.
When is we getting raincoat Rem?
>>586675330why would they get nerfed?
>>586674797And what will you play him as then? Gun? At that point why not just play Wraith or Ven?
>>586675330That would be racist
holy BASEDASED
Bros, I am enjoying playing The Lash™
We need Arjun in our game nowARJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
The deadlock fandom in the big 2026.
You ever won a match out of pure fucking anger at the drooling retards in your team
>>586675364Troon proportions. I know what you are.
Build variety in this game sucksLike ideally each character has abilities that are multipurpose to encourage expression and finding use cases that work best for your playstyle so you can build in a variety of different ways without it being trolling but that's not really a thing for most characters There are some, but a lot of them don't really feel intentional and are still iffy, like if you build Gun Shiv your dash and ult have different purposes than if you build Spirit, but Gun Shiv is like barely not a meme Gun Lash was a good example, you used your grapple and slam to dance around rather than get high up and burst people, but then they killed it cause that wasn't the Lash playstyle they intended so :/
>>586675124He cuteWho said that?!
>>586675576The item update is fixing all that
>>586675387>Every hero that needs a modicum of skill instead of having intrisic value like Baba has negative winrates
>>586675545>two teammates with >20 deathsno seriously how did you pull this off
a conventionally attractive feral canine hero WILL come to deadlock eventually...
WHY GAME WOKE AND FILLED WITH NIGGER FAGGOTS?!?! WHERE IS FREE SPEECH I AM AMERICAN!!!
I love degenerate women
>>586675576gun shiv literally one shots
>>586675556A man who likes women? What are you on about.
I love Violet and her big big butt
>>586675858Women have big ass and tits.
>No shortstack heroesThis game IS FINISHED!
This is a wraith gooner general
>>586675774This Redditor is trying too hard and retards will still somehow fall for the bait
>>586675576It used to be like old dota where everyting just workedNow its like nudota where you can only play one meta approved way
Hoodwink soon
>>586675919I like petite firm tight ass and she just happens to be on the smaller chest for size for a grown woman. I do not see the issue here.
>>586675579>*flips his hair out of his face* hey>women in the direct vicinity all squirtsit's that easy?
sex with rem
I wish all avatartroons a very gruesome suicide
>>586675685I just kept pushing lanes while my teammates were brooling in blue all the tie, the Baba and Holliday were doing most of the work there while I manged to get enough souls to get my late game items and just melt them with beam. I suppose they grew too cocky and overconfident and didnt expect a turnaround.
>>586676013You are one of those troon nigger faggots who get upset when people laugh at you in the game.
When are they adding another rapist core hero?
>>586675545standard games in a nutshell
>>586675798Underrated ship
>log on>lose 5 games in a row >dont have fun at all>have to sleep and go to work tomorrowah... an evening well spent
>>586676038You have low test or more than likely a troon trying to live vicariously through a cute girl because you will never be a real woman.
>>586676223I want Lifestealer in this game. Iirc, Shiv had his ult back in the days so they definitely can do him.
Ft fades just solved mokrill
>>586676307>goign to work out of necessitykek must suck to be an amerigoy
The King of Sex
>>586676048Just be:>tall>dark (hair)>pale skin (patchwork and stitching add fun texture)>heterochromia eyes, marking you as special and unique>mysterious past full of angst (but not the icky type)>submissive but still firm and polite attitude>tallbro!
>>586676223you could play Billy and get the raped core hero>an enemy approaches>you try to use your self-defense weapon (baseball bat)>you get knocked on your ass and fucked and you can't do anything about it
>>586675576they wanted to ship the item update with CNS but they split it so they could ship CNS soonerwhich implies the item update will be a big revamp on the level of CNSthey killed gun lash for the opposite reason, for requiring zero specialization and absolutely minimal investment into it. like, what was the core again? recharging rush + headhunter + siphon + T2 grapple?
Gay sex with Venator, Lash, Abrams, Mirage, Kelvin, Billy, Rat King
Holliday is for picking up and fucking on the go
>>586675774>>586676217good morning saar
Millions of leechesLeeches for me
>>586676223Booty Warrior1: Booty scent. Like Drifter's scent but it detects those with a big booty (size of the souls orb)2: Slap-Ass: Deals damage in a large area in front of you. If it hits from behind, it also slows and causes the souls orb to fall off.3: The easy way: Curse target enemy, reducing their fire rate and preventing them from turning at all for a duration.4: The hard way: Pounce forward, turning target enemy around attached to you for a duration. They can't move or turn but can still act. Deals damage to them over time and reduces their stamina to 0 when the effect ends.
>>586676417Skill order?
>>586676729I'm white though, nigger faggot.
>>586677013
They should have made violet look like chun li
here we go again, he's going to use his ai to whiten his skin
>>586677050Faggot.
>>586676026rape
>>586675671>le skill xdd
they should have made violet look like amaterasu
>>586677212
>>586676781moving to the green lanegonna feed a lot of leeches
>>586677195Moving goalposts this hard because (you) were born Indian. Just run into a train already shitpak.
With how beloved Vyper's current model is, they need to knock the new model out of the park
>>586677384such strong self hate, still won't change reality
>want to play regular mode>cannot get over my anxiety of playing and failing for 40 minutes
holy fuck mm is so badi cant believe i have a fucking trophy collector bomb geist on my teamdo these fucks even realize they take up a m1 spot and we have no one to push walkers now?best part? he's afking jungle with his -15% dmg and lets waves crash into walkers constantlyor better? the mina dynamo lane who instantly buys trophy collector and loses their tower at 4 min so he comes mid to leech xp so i cant get ulti on silver when i already have like 5 kills in lane
How viable would it be to run refresher domini build with a bunch of movement items to cosplay playing quake
>>586677539>stomp game>cry about your teamwtf is wrong with you?
>>586677539Was this ranked or standard?
>>586677486Just do it faggotIt's normal mode no one cares
>Anons always say I should ping before going to do sinners>Say BRB before getting the sinner right next to lane>The rat king pushes close to the walker and dies
>>586677539>>586677725standard players are kind of like street brawl players, they don't understand there is no matchmaking aside from the one other guy the game found with your mmr and he's on the other team
i was told this character is difficult?
>>586677782or you could use your microphone
What possible reason is there for Paige's heavy melee to scale with spirit
>>586677539the best kd on their team is fucking 5-7 meanwhile everyone on your team is positivethe game was 35 minutes long which is finewhat the hell are we complaining for
do you think the Archmother or the Hidden King would be more likely to absolutely fuck you over on your wish?
>>586677952Funny.
>>586677952she uses her magic book bruh
When will Yoshi fix this so I stop stomping noobs? (niggers)
>>586677952Have you seen her Heavy Melee animation? Magic Book that releases morning stars
>>586677762ranked>>586677725"stomp"yeah i won my lane and then contributed 38 kills
chat how do i stop suckacocky as fartman gassy? Xir gun does zero damage, should i just play as a nonstop kamikaze? That's stupid, just discount lash, no?
>>586678065Don't worry the rank season ends soon and we will get a new elo system
>>586677481>>586677315
>>586677961was actually losing because mr bomb geist farms at a snail pace at lets waves crash constantly
>>586678136Nigga had a stroke
is there a turbo autist mcginnis one trick i can watch to help myself git gud
>>586678217
MVP on Ginnis after a while of nothing. As much as I like Intensify Mag on her and apparently it's a good first item, I still ended up buying Titanic Mag for her eventually anyways. Is there a better use case for either?
>the one nigger who took the full 2 minutes to load into the game is on my teamno no no wait wait wait
>>586678065brother you're in initiate or something because you didnt play for 10 monthsit happened to me to when i started playing againmeanwhile they put new players in oracle/emissary
>the vape recharge fag is on your team
>Government mandated Celeste and Viktor niggers on my team who do absolutely nothing bu rotate between afking in jungle and suiciding into 3 peopleevery single game without fail
Is Vindicta good?
>>586678521For me its the Israeli Agent Yamato's that go 0-17-1 on my team
>>586678451I won every calibration game. Its not because I didnt play for 10 months, its because the ranked system is broken.
Why is wraith allowed to be s teir literally every patch?
Playing Danny always feels like a Joseph fight, it's always just retard explosions and the crashing into the enmy team and somehow running away with 5 hp, aslo, what theme could every character from the game could have?https://youtu.be/YNop8MtxfPw?si=0YJDgNf3Is1dkI4i
>>586678697That's why I stopped playing ranked after calibration
>>586678065This is what happened to me I was in Oracle and then didn't play for a long time and even with 400 games played I only hit emissary. Ranked is too much of a slog.
>>586678554as long as you aren't playing against one of the 80% of characters that hard counter you
>>586678108>rankedJfc that's abysmal. The enemy team didn't get to do anything
>>586678749https://youtu.be/aYd3r367Npw?list=LL&t=20
>>586677952Magic book summons magic cocks
>>586678730Yoshi goons to wraith every day, FACT
>>586678369Titanic mag is complete overkill. You can already shoot for like 10 seconds before having to reload. Waste of an item.
>>586678730>abrams>wants to build shadow weave now>gets a free hm from charge>gets 3?4? free hm's from ult plus another stunabrams is an assassin
>>586678730I don't play any of these heroes
>>586678697you won every game because you're initiateyou are initiate because you didn't play for 10 months and somewhere along the line they reset old accounts
>venator's items got buffed he's op this patch>he's good in high ranks you're just bad
>>586676417ft fades was hardstuck phantom pre-ranked update, no?i wouldn't give much weight to his ideas
>>586678730um she's actually not op venator is the only meta m1
>>586678730All these heroes should be nerfed
nerf infernus
>>586675385Billy, Doorman, Apollo?, Dynamo, Lash, Mina, Rem, Haze, GeistAm I missing anyone?
>>586679207Venator feels like he does nothing, his ult needs more damage, hell he needs more damage in general, his kit is kinda ass, he's the I'll just push another lane and melt the enemy walker man
>>586673923>dmm is riddled with telemetrysource?
>>586678730No, no, you don't understand they JUST nerfed her, now she has -15 on her heal cards and can still teleport out for free. Ignore the fact that farming overall was made 10% stronger. We just NEED to have a character who farms and wins every single 1v1 with a single button when someone tries to defend the walker she's been pushing for the past 10 minutes because... just BECAUSE ok?
>>586679432being an ultbot is exactly why he's picked in night shift and being picked in night shift is exactly why everything else about him is so shitas much as i love his ult i'd accept it being gutted if it meant the rest of his kit was allowed to be good
>>586678065Sid you try not playing piss easy characters?
>>586678730As someone who lives in Seattle I see black prostitutes going into valve headquarters every day
>tag along + helper + item selection can still get stuck if you mash keys too hard>helper cooldown is broken if a trooper dies early, staying unusable for the full 50+15 sec duration>everyone attacks sleeping enemies immediately thinking it's a soft stun>you're expected to build support shit and people will get mad if you do a pillow build>bottom of the barrel winrateRem is suffering, please send help.
>>586679685chat post the lynched rem emote please
>>586679673Gabe´s dipping in the chcocolate
i hate how fucking ai slopped statlocker isbeyond terrible ux some text literally isnt even readable
Are you prepared for the inevitable Danny nerfs?
What is Hollidays weakness exactlyFeels like this Looney Tunes ass kit does everything you could want and more
>super gets 5k less viewers streaming his main game (overwatch) than he does streaming deadlock
>>586679909He's already been nerfed, don't massacre my boy any more man
>>586679439the source code fag, use claude or something on it if you don't believe me. grimoire is superior
>>586680037overwatch is hot garbage
>>586680037>AGP streamer loses 41% viewership when not streaming trannylockUh huh
>>586680037ow is dogshit and boring to watch
>>586680063>NOOOOOO MY BRAINDEAD OP HERO SHOULD AVOID ALL NERFS AND STAY BRAINDEAD AND OP
>>586679432disagree>>586679616agree somewhat
>>586679432I can't speak for real people ranks but in shitlow entire teams follow me into enclosed spaces just to eat two confirmed 1.5k melee love taps and an execute ricochet crossbow for anyone who resists further, so I find Venator rather fun.If they don't want to enter the confessional it's unironically over however.
>>586675576I hope they add a couple more slots or merge items together because as it stands i do agree with you, as it stands, if you don't go a certain way with like maybe 2 flex items against a match up, you're basically going to be worthless
>>586679080Eh, no she really doesn't. Once you've used your QSR, she'll spend a hell of a time reloading and there's countless times where I know I kill a person in front of me if I didn't stop the reload
When should you swap out trophy collector if you have 16 stacks? Or do you just keep it all game?
>>586680037Deadlock is on track to absorb all non CS shooter and MOBA players combined and Valve is simply unbothered in their pace
The best way to play this game as a solo is with high mobility pick characters like Holliday, Mina and Pocket. Doing anything else is unironically crippling yourself.
I demand the nerfs be reversed right now.
>There's still dishonest heroes in this gameFuck, this game is so shit.
>>586680481you lose all stacks if you sell it, so once you buy it becomes a full game commiment
>>586680607Every character is extremely dishonest
oh no the offlinetv crowd is entering deadlock
>>586675124damn i just started playing and you guys were right about people doing nothing but teamfighting down mid for the whole game
>>586680824>damn i just started playingfuck off tourist
I play drifter like a rapist
>15 wins on Victor and Mo&Krill doneGimme a 3rd one to complete the trifecta
>>586681052yama AND apollo
>>586681052wraith or rem
>>586681052>I can't in to mobility OR aimingring of repick back to overwatch
>>586681052Abrams, complete the brainless trifecta
>>586678730because she turns her bullets into spirit damage in a game where spirit damage is king.really it's because she melts objectives in <1 second.
>>586680481Keep it all game unless it's one of those games that last 50 minutes and you ran out of other things to upgrade, but even then full stack TC gives you 4.4 sprint speed and 12% ability range.
Is it just me or is spirit silbuh good now?
>>586675387which web is that
>>586678730>spirit is OP>the hero that can shit out spirit bullets is SSS tiersurprise surprise.
>>586681427it's in the OP.
>>586681052Graves.
>>586681502I'm kinda retarded, thanks anon
>>586680680billy is extremely honest
>>586681476oh and btw baba and ivy is the same too. ivy carry is a thing now because her giga firerate has extremely good synergy with capacitor and guess what damage does capacitor do?
While we're flying to an objective I want you to stroke your cock for me.
He's right you knowFarming is the cancer that is killing Deadlock
>>586675124>>586640648What are some character archetypes you still want to see added?>Ixian lawyer, either leaning into the demonic lawyer joke by making them a Fairfax attorney or going the total opposite and making them a civil liberties advocate campaigning for Fairfax's crimes in North Ixia to be prosecuted>Fast-talking photo-journalist with a bit of a Nightcrawler streak where they're in the Ritual killing people to get up close coverage of it for tomorrow's papers>Immigrant kung-fu monk who is trying to raise funds for his temple back home>Some Arab bodega owner who is in it to try get enough funds to franchise
This game is just becoming whichever team has Victor wins. Fucking bullshit.
>>586681716She would say this
>>586681716>>>/trash/
>>586681849I recently watched a pro DOTA game from Dendi. Support to compare Deadlock eco to DOTA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxYOKMslq-I Deadlock has it better unironically. Supports can keep up with eco while in DOTA (that video was 3 weeks ago), supports are just giga broke.
>>586680195>>586679909Victor is way more OP than danny low ranks just cant aim
>>586681968didn't eh get nerfed with the item updates
>>586682089Supports are "broke" in dota 2 but in most metas they are the among the top bans. Supports aside from having massive influences on laning/map control still have pretty absurd scaling from just leveling. A support throwing a team fight winning ult is far more frequent in dota 2 than in deadlock.
>>586681052silver if you like diving
From what I understand you're supposed to roam as Holliday, but I find it barely slows the bleeding of a shit lane, while my souls stagnate and my own lane is left to suffer. What am I doing wrong?
>>586682268 I guess that's the flaw from them combining exp and money. They can't make support AP upgrades as strong because they're going to have items that support it.
>>586682268Supports are strong in Dota, but you can't carry a bad carry like you can in Deadlock.
>>586682463Take their tower first before you start roaming
>>586681716too late, already did
>Kevin using his ult at same time I use my ult (Seven)
I soft throw whenever I play Danny cause I don't wanna contribute to the only fun hero getting nerfed
>damn i'm doing good this time, maybe something clicked finally>it's just the secondary account being placed with noobsoh
>>586682518Yeah, the single scaling resource more or less makes the roles very homogenized. Another issue is growing number of item slots. Supports in dota 2 partly cannot scale because good, cost effective team-saving items like invisible cape or force staff don't have or don't need to be upgraded.>>586682602The difference is that there's no comparable support role in Deadlock in the same sense, since DL supports also scale their damage and survivability up with their team by a lot. And a lot of their items are going to be self-serving items. Meanwhile a dota 2 support has several Cheat Death equivalence items on stand by for their team.
>>586682948IN HERE, I AM KING
how do i play tranny? No seriously should i ditch the gun? It's useless without strix first, should i just focus on dive bombing?
is this the perfect infernus build?
Gonna make Jewish Paige mod and when she ults she goes "GET 'EM, GOYS"
>>586680565SOURCE?
are statlockers "performance" ranks always inflated because mine is about 5 ranks higher than my official rank
>>586682963I don't see why Danny would get nerfed when he was one of the least retarded character compared to his more cancerous contemporaries
>>586683369Would explain her sweater puppies.
Rushed to do calibs before season ends as a standardbab, calibration put me way too high up and all the matches were full of players at emissary or the rank above it, which I definitely am not. Even in the games I won, I was mostly getting carriedCan only really say I was credit to team in the last match because I suicide bombed 2 enemy walkers and got my team 2 slots singlehandedlyHow many games would I need to lose to end up in like, silver rank?
i dont feel the graves nerfs
>>586679318Graves is a canon babysitter
>>586683180Express Shot is really all you need for gun but you can build stuff like Sharpshooter and Splitshot if you want I like getting Jetpack and then Strix to bully in lane then focusing on upgrading Strix and flamethrower after that. You don't really need to focus on upgrading your ult, I don't think.
the next batch of heroes had better do exclusively gun damage to begin to offset the plague of spiggers the game is currently subject to
>>586683631i was put in silver and every game i play i fuck on the enemy teamclimbing takes forever and it's irritating me since games are boring and mostly one sided.
Finally unlocked RankedWhat am I in for
>>586675798cute!!
idea: debuff item that reduces ability range. Don't know what percent or for how long
STOP. BANNING. DOORMAN.
Idea: buff item that increases teammate IQ
>>586683398https://i.imgur.com/e2HnHmh.jpeg
>>586683347>2/1/10
50 minute gameanytime anyone called him out for being dogshit he just fed another kill and called us tryhards
>>586680864we just watch strategy guides without playing the game here
How am I supposed to use vypers ultI ult and nothing happens
>>586683825unfathomably better games (assuming your mmr isn't already brick)
>>586683913People are more likely to ban something that's annoying over something that's good
>>586680824if you have any sense of macro it'll work to your advantage since you can push the side lanes while the enemy team (and the other 5/6ths of your own) is busy being retarded
>>586681331Yeah I just had a 45 minute game where I was carrying on doorman and had really started to run out of shit to buy
>>586684129But they don't ban mo though?
>>586683913My permaban is on Graves
deadlockin todaywow forevering tomorrow
>>586683825unfathomably worse games (retards think their next heavy attack will be the one that won't get parried, trust me bro)at least people in standards cant even find their heavy melee button
>>586680565>>586683932>army of darkness referenceASH WILLIAMS HERO WHEN
>someone said fag>reddit demands Valve bans them completely from the gameI forget Deadlock attracts the biggest faggot normies in existence. Deadlock is not Dota and treating it as such is a one-way ticket to getting canceled as some faggot redditor will screenshot your shit and cry to the subreddit.
>>586683981what is that god awful build
>>586678065Same shit happened to me kekI took a break from the game after that really bad March patch, was like phantom or oracle or whatever when standard had ranks, I come back for the new 6 heroes, am immediately qualified for ranked... and my placement matches (I won them all) put me in fucking seeker
>>586681849i don't think yoshi is gonna listen to a guy in a straitjacket.
>>586684406People that go to Reddit to cry about slurs and try to form a brigade to mass report someone's Steam account aren't normies they're fucking losers
>"Need to be careful not to expose myself"Venator muttered to himself as he snuck out of the shower after realizing he forgot a towel
>>586683180you still want gun spike at least just because your divebomb will benefit from weapon scaling, i typically get opening rounds/express but you can easily sub express for toxic if antiheal is needed (your 3 applies it near instantly)after that it's purplemax with improved spirit/tankbuster, cooldown, and spirit burn typically as my first t4
>>586684268they could actually just add ash as a character without changing anything and it'd be perfect
>Team's Mo bought tankbuster
>>586684982only if they actually get bruce campbell to voice him
>>586685020he lacks the ability to understand percentagesmfin mo needs, what, max spirit invest + boundless now to activate tankbuster? it's ridiculous
>>586685020You better not be complaining Mo after he got fucking gutted
>>586683180do not buy express
You know when Rivals made an ability where you dive under the ground and get a hitbox the size of a tick tack they at least had the courtesy to give it to a character with a small health pool
deadlock NEEDS a blasian girl
>>586679318Mirage would be an excellent babysitter. Bro would defend your child with his life
why, yes. i only go full spirt spam dragon on cd paige.
>>586685615Based Brool enjoyer.
why isn't anyone playing beam bebop?that shit does 800 dps and has a billion range.
>>586685768What if they walk into one of the nearby 300 rooms
>>586685768*buys knockdown*
>>586685768*walks away*
>>586684090Skillshot ult
>>586685615And why shouldn't you?Dragon has a giant aoe, does very good damage, and is a charge ability for literally no reason. Plus investing in aoe also benefits your root
>>586685768*moves out of your los*
this game is so fucking ugly outside the latest heroes. When the fuck are they gonna start polishing stuff? Are they aiming for a 2030 release? Bitch i'll be ANCIENT by that time, I won't be COMPY anymorehurry the fuck up gayben
>>586685768map isn't nearly as open as it used to be.
I HAAAAAAATE all 6 new heroesits just AOE visual slop diarrhea and I CANT SEE WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ONThanks teammate Violet, I love not being able to see what is going on in that ring ult of yours
>>586686058It's Valve. It's just going to release one random day like Dota 2 and nothing will change.
>>586686058>Valve>going back and polishing stuffMorphling from Dota 2 still has 20 polygons since beta
>>586685768SAFETY FIRST
>>586685841you have like 90m range with greater expansion which you're buying for the hook anyways, knockdown is only 45m. you can easily outrange knockdown while still at the very least zoning people off of an objective.>>586685815most objectives are pretty out in the open, you still get huge zoning value if you force them to hide for your entire beam.
Magic carpet is unironically good on Seven
>>586686102I really hope Violet specifically gets a different ult because it's a chore playing against her and with her
>>586685768*dash jumps out of your LOS*outplayed lil gup
how do u beat solomon in lane.
>>586686528eva hurd of da dwiveby dwiftah?
I like how graves runs. She makes such exaggerated movements like her boots are too big for her feet and shes trying to keep them from flying off.
Do you guys ever stay when someone leaves early in the chance you can beat 5 vs 6? I always feel bad for leaving but I do it anyway
After 45 hours of playing this game, I've gotten MVP for the first time.Am I GMI, /dlg/?
>>586686647no
>>586687028>only 45 hours in>already using cheatsGrim...
>>586684090Its a pretty decent nuke early on.You can use it to run, or petrify 1 while you kill another, or take objectives (particuarly rejuvs)
>>586687028>Y*matoSorry bro as an Ascendant Yam one trick were ngmi
>>586687101Grave, even
>>586684090Just throw it when you want someone to stop whatever they're doing, can't go wrong with that
She active on my item until I splitshot
>>586686528Stand on the bridge
Fed my ass off as Danny but boy is he fun
>>586684090I am not a good aimer so I use it to make my target stop so I can headshot them a lot
>>586687468>fed my ass off Nonsense, you simply performed a public stress test of the new Fairfax Industries Chimera Mark 1!
>>586682463Holiday is fast enough to go to another lane, get a kill with lasso, and go back to her own lane in under a minute. So you only miss one wave
>>586685615what else would you do?
>>586685615this doesn't seem as good as the full support paige but thats just my experience
>>586687453he already on the bridge & owning me.
>>586687596getting actives and spamming 3 is way better if your team has hands.
I just don't get it. There's something fundamental about Billy I'm not grasping here
>>586687028>match ID
greater expansion is the biggest meme item on mina, i shall never purchase this trash again.
>>586687823He's one of the hardest heroes in the game, unironically.
>go to melee dummy to practice parry>am able to parry every melee from bot>do the exact same thing in game>melee always goes through>even dashing away before the melee was supposed to connect I still get hitAre these cheats?
>>586687823It's that Billy is unplayable dogshit right now
how do i do more dmgis the buildim the vyperi was against goo guy and graves in lane and i honestly felt like i couldnt even walk up
One day your character is going to get labeled as "annoying", may they not suffer a fate as harsh as those that held the title before them
>>586688183yeah the cheat is your brain doesn't work.
>>586688183No the hitreg is just fucked No it will never be fixed
what kind of queer picks paige in street brawl when there's not even any votes at stake
>>586688313try shooting your enemies with all those gun items you bought.
>>586683649the lich hand is babysitting her actually
>>586688391So why not just get rid of this reddit tier system completely? Who is this for exactly? Fighting game niggers? Who cares about them.
>>586688529i try but i just die
>>586688047Unironically yeah, having to engage in melee mind games in every engagement at every point in the game makes him extremely high risk for a slightly decent reward right now, you have to be fully focused on reading your opponents on top of everything else. Other melee heroes have ways to mitigate the risks of melee or melee is a luxury they can do without, but if billy isn't weaving light melees every time he can he's throwing, bashdown charges aren't enough to sustain his playstyle
>>586688313Vyper just kinda sucks in lane
how many mods do you have /dlg/?
>>586688661holy agp
>>586681716Would ivy say cock, penis, or some other euphemism?
surely it would have been a better use of everyones time if we were allowed to surrender 20 minutes agono one wants to play against this rapist unkillable comp
fuckFUCKWHY IS DENYING IN THIS GAME
>>586678730>abramshuh, we're back?
>>586688772Pija o pene
>>586688813Cause without it Laning Phase would just be both sides running dick first at each other nonstop
>>586676441all of this would be invalidated if he didnt have hair
>>586675124are there any decent custom HUDs out there for this game?
>one of the biggest Vtubers(Gigi Murin) is streaming Deadlockit's over...
>dps has a lead>you just use actives or something and maybe you can kill them>viktor and abrams have a lead>XDDDdrain tanks have no reason at all to be allowed to exist in mobas
>>586689021and what is wrong with that?
>>586678730>no one talking about baba keeping a fucking 60% winrate despite being nerfed twice in a row
>>586687823light melees are your friend. the ONLY time you should ever heavy melee is if they already whiffed their parry (or have proven themselves to be incapable of parrying)
>>586689093Everyone already knows baba's broken, what else is there to say.
>>586689072>Still crying about Victor after anti heal buffsBrick.
>>586689081We like to pretend MOBAs are more strategic and cerebral Something something brool bad
>>586689072>complaining about this in the same patch where healbane stacking was introduced
>>586689072your healing reduction items?
>>586689062whomst?
>Shiv>Uses knives to stab you>Violet>Uses violet paint>Graves>Summons a grave>Deadman Danny>Is a skeleton>Ratking>Is a rat king>Lash>He uses a lash
tfw no undead marksmen hero
>>586689279>Calico>the cat isn't a calico>Bebop>isn't Cowboy Bebop at computer>Billy>has nothing to do with gay porn>Drifter>he has not drifting ability
>>586689429Anon, I...
>>586689279>Silver>her team is always in second place
i cant aim brosisters
>>586683932god he's so fucking hot it's unreal
I'm an ethical yuritardI only ship characters who have actual chemistry (like Celeste/Holliday or Holliday/Silver)
I love my stoic bodyguard just going around and snapping his fingers while nuking people with the Mark.
>>586689429?
>>586689587Don't worry just keep calling everyone cheating Russians, DSP.
>>586689093jews won, goy
>>586688661only 2
>>586689728>enemy has mirage>1 stack>he uses 3>he does this on repeat the entire laning phasestopSTOPIT'S SO FUCKING ANNOYING STOP
>>586688661Zero, I'm not a cheater
>>586689827Wait have I been playing his laning wrong? I have been trying to stack the marks, should I just pop it instantly in lane?
>>586689093The item update will surely fix it
>>586689728Not falling for the "anyone likes mirage" psyop
>>586688661A few...
>>586689587just spray and pray bro
>>586689827More annoying than Infernus burn?>>586690107I like him, both gameplay wise and lore wise, more of the latter honestly.
f**k!
>>586690178orange cop got a taste of the drifter special
>>586688661a LOT
>>586682463roaming is about timingsthis is why roamers are heroes who are fast and explosive. you get priority in your lane (i.e. kill all of their troopers, the faster the better), you leave while they can't, you blast the fuck out of whomever on the lane you roam to, and then you either leave or you help shove and then leave. you do not want to stay long enough to lose more than one wave. you often grab boxes on your roam to help make up for the cost. and you do not roam if your laner can't survive alone, giving up your tower is not worth itif you've taken your enemy tower, it's no longer roaming necessarily. you're now in the mid-game with first-move advantage. you shove the wave to walker but actually assaulting the walker is *usually* not a viable prospect. so instead you help your team by going to their lane and taking their enemy tower, because now you have a full minute to get active before there's a wave to catch. there's a slight efficiency loss, troopers will die to troopers if the enemy shoves the wave slowly enough, but the cost is still worth it (and comes with an impact-cost on their side)at the heart of a moba is the impact:efficiency tradeoff. hard farming generates the most souls, but has little impact. grouping to fight and kill the enemy to win objectives generates the most impact, but has very low efficiency. and it's a balance, without impact you can't be efficient (the enemy will gain an objective advantage) and without efficiency you can't be impactful (the enemy will gain an economic advantage). push pull
>>586690302i genuinely hope horrible things happen to you irl (in real life)
>>586690236at least you can hide from burn and wait for it to disappear>>586689956You wanna try to get at least 2 marks before popping, otherwise pop at 1. It's fine to do 1 but spamming it is incredibly fucking annoying for the person getting damaged by it and it doesn't do a lot.
>>586690374love you too, hun
>>586690380>and it doesn't do a lot.incorrect, it refreshes your mystic regen and you might as well insta pop and proc it then get the reproc from stacking it.
>>586690734>mystic regeni'm going to call you a slur
>>586689757vindicta is objectively the most beautiful girl in the game
>Baba's AoE stomp CAN be parried, it just doesn't stun her and there's no audio or visual cue that the parry workedWhat the fuck. I tried parrying it once the first day she came out and assumed it didn't take because she didn't get stunned by it. I've just been taking all those stomps straight up the ass this whole time
>>586687823very small sample size, keep going friend. check some high level players on billyif you're getting parried, you're swinging when the enemy expects you to. if you light melee in your combo or just spam it, you're likely to get parried. usually you can light melee someone consecutively 2 times before they start really thinking about it. that's at least when my parry gets baited. bam bam "ah fuck man they're swinging, ok parry maybe now? oh. oh god no."don't press heavy melee until they waste their parry. good light melee usage forces them to guess, make them guess wrong and you get to heavy melee theman important thing to know about billy is that his club is a displacement+drag down, which deletes enemy momentum. if you're the league guy from earlier his club would sit tristana's jump. 1 -> 3 -> 1 is your bread and butter, with 2 either used to gapclose, in the combo (preferred), or to chase when they run. lead with ult if you can, it sets you up to combo multiple people (and at higher levels, gives you unstoppable so you can swing with impunity; there is no parry stun when unstoppable)also don't worry about "meta". that shit does not matter at anything but the top, and even then it's questionable
>>586691135the parry audio playsbut yes, it is bullshit that this is the ONE hero in the game with an unparryable melee when the actual meleefag heroes have nothing like that
>>586691135your parry gets refunded instead of going on cooldown and you get the little noiseher light melee kick can be properly parried but yeah her stomp is a big AoE so you can only parry the damage (otherwise chair stomp would be 100% unusable)
>>586690302zoofur?
Just played an absolute banger of a Silver game. I-Is this what it feels like to be goated with the sauce?I think I love her bwos...
>>586690178someone get on their lobbies and teach them rape
>>586691203the other melee characters have melee confirms in their kits and/or melee damage on an ability
>>586691337She's just so overpowered you know, maybe 1 in 20 games you'll just stomp with her that's not fair for the other heroes that can win consistently
>>586691203>>586691281I must not have heard the parry noise then. My bad I guess
>>586691135Rebuttal also heals you and damages babaI killed more than a dozen babas because they kept spamming their "unparrieable" melee without noticing that it was killing them
Hmm... I don't think the low priority queue is working at all.So many people there are just playing badly, and they get sent there because the team reported them for playing bad.
Billy should just straight up be immune to parries>b b but that would be opJust don't go near him, retard
>>586691570your t3 chain gang?
>>586691142>No parry stun when unstoppableOh, shit, that's really good to know
>>586691570I think that at least his light melees should be unparrieable when blasted, maybe as a t3 upgradeWould allow him to function as a frontliner without enabling too much degeneracy and without having to overbuff other parts of his kit
>>586691305what the fuck
>>586691459I genuinely don't know if you're fucking with me or not. What's her status? I started playing deadlock a couple of days ago, and tried quite a bunch of characters already in standard matches, so I don't really know shit about balance.
>enemy has haze>losehuhhow do you deal with this charactershe seems to have a good laning phase for something so oppressive
>>586691913She's kind of bad unless you're stomping with her and that makes retards think she's op
>>586692082UnderstandableI can fix her WR
>>586692067That's because Haze is not your typical m1 pos1 carry. She's a rapist. But, to deal with her in laning phase you just hide until the fixation stacks go away. She deals 0 damage without it.
How am I supposed secure souls/deny when I have to reload all the time
>>586692374horrendous
>>586691913Silver (or S++++ilver) has become a meme because "pro" players keep picking her in comp matches and insisting that she's good despite losing most games and her not being that good currentlyShe is basically a pubstomper that can ride an early advantage to the moon but the moment she falls behind even slightly she becomes a glorified minion for the rest of the game, and even if she stomps the early game she falls off like a brick if the game goes on for longer than 25 minutes and ends up as a glorified minion anywaysShe legitimately needs a rework
>>586691841"what the fuck how did you know" or "what the fuck no"?
im an abrams main and i still dont know who to play as my 2nd pick. i have 12 games on billy and i want to break my monitor i hate playing him. same goes for mo&krill. I only find enjoyment with abrams. I have abrams,victor,silver unlocked. Victor and Graves(graves tank build) are ok, but they are just boring to play. Help plz.
>>586692418??
>>586685142learn to read
yoshi should gigabuff billy (deadlocks biggest liberal) to celebrate texas, ohio, and both carolinas flipping blue
Why do people keep baning doorman? There are heroes far more annoying than him
I NEVER NEEDED NOBODY NIGGA
>>586692698He's more of a nazi actually
>>586692557I read it, you didn't convey any coherent thought.
>>586692841you must be retarded
>>586693010
>>586692531lash
Can we get another balance patchOne that giganiggernerfs Baba to death preferably
>>586693068haha yeah as soon as wraith gets nerfed
Can we please get a patch that nerfs Sinclaire finally? Also Haze too.
>>586693138YesAll S-tiers and A-tiers should be brought down to the level of B-tiersAll D-tiers and C-tiers should be brought up to the level of B-tiersDeadlock hasn't reached "we have over a hundred random fuckers" late-stage MOBA/hero shooter yet, the roster is a mere 44 heroes, there is no reason for there to be such massive power disparities in balancing
>>586693061would that actually work for me unga brain. is that bird me? picrel?
biggest soul bag I've ever seen lol
What is the purpose of torment pulse?
>>586693510when rem was released there were horrors beyond comprehension that were seen in game
abrams is fucking broken
abrams is fucking silver
>>586693468NTA but maybe? I find it very fun to dropkick faggots from the stratosphere for half their hp, the mobility is also funThough you definitely have to play him differently from how you would play other heroes in terms of positioning and such, you for example you have to approach long fights as a series of hit and runs instead of a drawn out fight
>>586693551To give tankBVLLS free damage
>>586664613I KNEW IT THEY JUST FIXED IT
I thought I was starting to get the hang of this game and then matchmaking humbled me with 5 rapes in a row.I'm sorry, I know my place, it will never happen again.
>>586693510I saw a 5k bag once back in September
How much longer until they add in a Blade Mail and Mirror Shield equivalent so we can get a tank meta?
>>586692698+kansas and iowa
>no volumetric smoke hero>no AWPer hero>no RUSH B DAVAI hero
>>586694446>Haze>Vindicta>Rat King
>up 5v2 after team fight>I push mid since all they have are shrines>the 4 other teammates all go base>"dude creeps were in base">we have a McGinnis btw
>>586694446>No explosive indirect-fire M1 grenadier hero in the vein of Demoman/Junkrat/Squirrel GirlCome on Valve, hurry up
>>586693887But why does nearly every spirit build that isn't a tank run it?
>>586694190look at how shit return fire isthat the best case scenario for either of thoselikely worse because aoeoids and spirit cucks would whine until it got gutted
The mix of veterans and first timers is really bad, saw a player on the enemy team having an existential crashout
>Have Victor on enemy team>lose because he respawns 4 times in a rowHow do I stop getting raped
>DING DING DING>You're->AUAUUGGH
>>586694804Return fire used to be based beyond belief, what happened to it?
Need a Doom character, but make it like old Doom where you it silences your skill and item and make it undispellable
are skins really safe? wouldn't vac freak tf out?
>>586695070not how it works, bro.you aren't injecting anything.
>Play Rem>Lose Lane>Buy sprint boots>Level up only 3rd skills>Run around the enemies map to steal their sinners & boxes>End the game with 20k+ more than enemies averageIt's that easy huh?
>>586695070VAC does not care in the slightest, and when they do eventually disable skin modding they'll do it by disabling it entirely so there's no risk of a ban.
>>586695059Sure, but they need to give it 300 seconds cooldown.Or it's an extremely close range where you need to be in melee range.
>Holiday lassos somebody>"alright sweet I'll get a heavy melee in and-">whiffs because she bounce pads>"okay that's fucking annoying but now I can just hit them with a Rend for massive damage and-">fucking second bounce pad, whiff again>her lasso target escapes oh my god bruh
>Play Haze>Everyone buys metal skin>die
>standard>enemy team has haze>we lose>i have haze on my team>we winim not having fun honestly
What should Shiv max order be
>>586695059That's just what Cursed does but for triple the duration though?
>>586695070You can use autoparry scripts, aimbots, wallhacks, maphacks, anything you want as long as you don't say meanie words
>>5866954121 > 2 > 4 > 3
>deadlock's portrayed time period is too early to feature a daredevil motorcycle stuntman heroi guess danny is the next best thing
>>586695445So then we need to rename it. Call it... Curse of Doom.
>>586695404>STAY TOGETHER!The haze is no longer able to get anything done now.
im 15 hours in and im already tilt queuing
>>586695530Why 3 last? The dispel seems really strong
>>586695059I posted about this a couple of threads>Mummy character that has DOOM as his ult but it's CURSE OF RA>change the icon of cursed relic into his middle finger>make the mummy hero have a missing right middle finger in his modelWould be funny as fuck
>>586695163You could also consider winning lane and then stealing all their shit anyway.
cant wait for the update involving the Empire State Building B-25 Crash
>>586695538The Durse, or the Coom even
>>586695359Holliday players are mentally deficient
I don't know when to start hitting boxesNot a fan of this gameplay
>>586695605I suppose we are missing a Mummy of sorts in terms of the Halloween / monster / horror aesthetics behind the game's character design
>>586694996Not sure what the meta was like back then but the stat line before this patch looks crazyIsn't terrible into rapid fire characters, but I'm not sure how well the spirit translates to damage
>>586695070skins are safe. even the UI mods (which actually do have code; but there is no game API, so all information and modification is limited to just the UI and its state) are safe.if valve wanted to enforce client purity, they could trivially. you can't mod and reskin weapons in CS2. right now they're leaving it open for deadlock and overwhelmingly the mods made and used are cosmetic. valve has always had a very positive attitude towards the modding community and it has paid them incredibly, incredibly handsomely. consider this them fostering talent. i mean shit, the guy who made the exceedingly popular yam/holliday remodels was literally hired by valve if i'm not mistakenanyways, you get vac banned for injecting shit or trying to bypass restrictions. which isn't something you can do just by editing gameinfo.gi and adding some vpks. and even then, in regards to soft-bypassing restrictions, they don't ban for preloading shit like viewmodel reanims/hiders in TF2 (which i've used for years), so you're extra finet. threw as many cancer skin mods as i could into CS:S back when i was a kid and i do not have a VAC ban
item rework soon, stalker
>>586695775The writers are hellbent on turning this into the late 2020s re-imagined. Forget the past.
>>586696812What if each hero had a 12800 exclusive item only they could buy and only in the late game?
>>586697102rem's item: divine rapier
>>586697169>rem gets a golden gun item for his sovl bovlder
>>586697050>The Patrons represent the two towers>when one dies, so does the otherdeepest lore
i genuinely only want to play celeste. it's actually insane valve is arbitrarily forcing me to play 60+ games on some random m1ggers i'm not interested in
i genuinely only want to play danny. it's actually insane valve is arbitrarily forcing me to play 60+ games on some random m1ggers i'm not interested in
>>586697102if it worked like agh shard or scepter, sure
THE DARKNESS SWIFTLY WITHDRAWS AS THE DRIFTER RUNS AWAY FROM THE DEATHBALL
Which hero has the hairiest asshole
>>586697707silver
>>586697707Rat King because he's literally covered in fur
>>586695605>>586695945Also missing a swamp creature, and perhaps an opera guy for the theater.
Ok so Lash's whole gimmick is that he's an asshole with a Heart of Gold, or Silver.But what if, when we find out everyone's wishes, his is IRREDEEMABLY assholish.Like >I want 4 more wishes>I want to undo everyone else's wishes>I wish Ms. Shelly had incurable brain cancer>And I want all the women in the ritual to be barefoot and pregnant
>>586697857>swamp creatureViscous>operafair
Is there a certain "you should have X stacks at Y minutes" for heroes like Vindicta, Drifter, Mo & Krill, Grey Talon?
>>586697920at worst he would just make himself world famous
>>586695605>CURSE OF RA>Not Curse of King RamsesAlso did you guys ever noticed that those aren't teeth but MASSIVE DSLs?
>>586697920we all know his wish is to cure miss shelly so he can lord it over bebop that he was the one to save her instead of him.
Check out what the Doorman bought!
Vagina Dentata hero when?
>>586697992>>586698118Well yeah but that's not funny.And I wanted to come up with the worst wish possible.
>>586697992He doesn't want to just be famous. He wants to be asked to give lectures at universities, he thinks he could run the city government all by himself, he also wants Celeste to talk to him again. He has a massive ego, and aside from being pit-fighting champion its hard to say if he can pull it off without the Patrons.
Do we have any concrete proof that Paige IS NOT actually Cinnamon?
>dives into ur backline>*rapes you*>*airdashes away*
It's so cool how I don't get the character I queued for. Time to waste another 40 minutes of my life
Remember: it's not about winning!It's about having fun and making friends!
>>586698704>making friends in 9 enemies - the genre
>>586698565>blast in and take out their vindicta>their team was too focused whaling on abuse abramsI could feel their seethe psychically
>>586697920it's boring because it doesn't engage with the hypothetical but i don't know, this feels like a "what if dynamo's wish was actually for a DIVORCE because his wife doesn't accept his robot body"lash is the most heel-heel to ever heel. it's a special kind of arrogance that betrays an underlying sanity. it just doesn't make sense given what we know about him
>>586698362Horses, dogs and dragons do not attend poledancing clubs
That we know of
>>586698768Not with that attitude you won't! Don't take it too seriously, It's just a game
>>586699118Ok but the places that Vyper would frequent WOULD 100% have Tijuana Donkey Shows
>12 wins out of 16 matches on SevenHe's not that good on tier lists but he seems to destroy your average standard match
Guess the heroes
>>586699737He's an autowin below certain ranks because>They don't build Knockdown >Nobody knows how to close out a matchso Seven gets to hit 12 items and ult to wipe the entire enemy team again and again
what are some mods?
>>586700156One day you will be awaiting His judgement before the pearly gates, and you will have to explain this
>>586699650absolutely participates toogod she's so based
>>586697857>Swamp CreatureNot sure Viscous or SLORK counts, but they're there.>Frankenstein's BrideWouldn't fit Viktor but I'm surprised there isn't a community of reanimated undead or golems in Deadlock's world.>Invisible ManAlso missing>MummyKind of like Danny in a matter of speaking but yeah missingWould be nice to have aliums too, there's already fae (doorman and celeste). Technically even a baby lich with Graves, though really she's just a necromancer.
>>586700156I have the same mods except my graves is fully nude :3
>>586700221St Peter will probably dap him up
>>586700432>>Invisible Man>Also missingThat's Haze.
>See puppygirl67 on my team?I run it down and throw the game>Don't get the character I queued for?I run it down and throw the game>Have a passive lane partner who never goes in?I run it down and throw the game>Team magically disappears when I am 1v6ing or chasing someone?I run it down and throw the gameNo, I am not sorry, yes, I will continue doing it
>>586700558Haze is clearly called a Sandman, that's not quite invisible. She's a Dreamwalker of sorts, but we'll count it
>>586700782>I run it down and throw the gameMy lane partner when I play Victor
Be honest, is it too late to learn Deadlock? I've played League for years but I need something new
We are missing an ominous government agent man that's neither quite Doorman or Haze
denying i accept but parrying and other FGC bullshit really has no place in this game
>>586701253Try Smite 2 its like Deadlock but with training wheels if you like it hop on Deadlock.
danny is a funny guystrix damage with literally just 4.8k in spirit (+healbane +op. rounds). QSR + SoP, both on 1QSR because i'm building gun and between express shot, shooting dudes, and rocketjumps, anything to stretch my ammo further feels worth it>why not QSR on 3you can reload during 3 but also i'm opening with it anyways
>>586701253Here's the thing. Deadlock is in its phase where its looking for playtesters and its data like they're in the cage of Zephinaiah Mann. It'll only be too late when the world blows up and burns up Valve HQ with it.
>>586701347What do you mean other FGC bullshit it's literally just parrying and then source engine game movement
>>586701253stop being a pussy
>lane partner keeps overextending and gets him killed despite doing everything I can to support, shield, healing rite him, and fend off any chases, do as much damage as I can and get a few heavy melee hits in >"oh my god my lane partner is so shit"WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO YOU BARELY SENTIENT PILE OF SHIT I LITERALLY SAVED YOUR ASS AND YOU DASHED RIGHT BACK INTO THEM I EVEN SAID "HEY MAN JUST BE CAREFUL I'M GONNA HEALING RITE YOU AND THEN YOU JUST JUMPED RIGHT OUT OF COVER WHAT THE FUCKKK
>>586701253there's still niggas playing shit like Chess at the age of 40, you'll be finethe meta will probably be completely different a year from now and so forth
>>586701253you're in year -1 of deadlock right now, of the -3 years that it hasn't been outthe best time to learn deadlock was then; the second best time is now, and you're not even close to being late to the party. this is the pregame. and also a bunch of people just showed up so you're in good company
>>586701253it's not even out yet, if you get in now you'll still be able to larp as an og a few years after it officially releases
>>586701606Have you tried not sitting behind your guardian and going in with him? What about peeling with your full HP? I know you are a paige main.
>>586701606I had a Victor do the exact same thing when he didn't even have ult unlocked, he just threw himself to die and blamed me for it, had a fit about it the whole match and ended up throwing the game.Now GUESS who waited 10 minutes so he wouldn't get matched with him again only to not only end up in the same team as him in the next match, but also the same lane with the same character and started seething after doing the EXACT SAME SHIT AGAIN.
>>586701780Yoshi is trying to teach a valuable lesson and that is to peel for your Victor o algo.
>>586701253If there's any consolation I'm a dotard for almost 15 years, stopped playing and then started playing Deadlock religiously
