Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9714 - She'll Take a Potato Chip and EAT IT! Edition==NEWS==>Discord server launched 5 October 2026discord.gg/SonicOfficial>SONIC PICO PARK on 12 November 2026https://picoparkgame.com/spp/>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond on 12 November 2026https://youtu.be/gg33XSAtdZM>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 on 19 March 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>Netflix animated series for preschoolers with attitude in productionhttps://variety.com/2026/film/news/crazy-taxi-movie-netflix-sega-sonic-stranger-than-heaven-1236861148/==COMICS==Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #4 - 11 November 2026Sonic and the Blade of Courage #18 - November 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #92 - 9 December 2026==OTHER==>Linkshttps://rentry.org/sthglinks>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ruPrevious Zone: >>586862836
Tailsmy
>>586894771Fiona molesting!
Wish I may, wish I mightBe someone else tonightSometimes I wish I was never born at allAnd I'll try to save the world'Cause in the end I knowI'm the chosen one
>>586894890HOLY BASED
Predict the next truly evil thing Eggman will do and the other characters' reaction to this (he is still depicted as evil after all).
>>586894997This is so random
Can someone post more Fionas like this?
>>586895121No, this is random.
>>586895035Eggman revives the Archie continuity in-universe for no other purpose than to canonize him raping all the Archie characters.Sonic has no reaction to this and is entirely unaffected.
Never make that joke ever again
>>586894771Comfiona!
>>586895290IC canon Japanese writing. If Tails and Amy got brutally raped by Zavok Sonic would just move on because nothing bothers him
WHY IS THE OPENING PICTURE AI SLOP
>>586895035What else is there to conquer? What other state of being has he not tapped into?
>>586895017Hot
>>586895290IC
the first sonic movie is the best one if you don't care about references
>>586895348It's racist to range-ban India, anon...
>>586895348And the problem is?
>>586895345I think you belong back on reddit or twitter if you think idw sonic is good character writing for sonic
>>586894890now THIS is CnC
>>586895573IDW derangement syndrome
>>586895035Eggman uses time stones to travel back in time to try and kill Sonic's parents.Naturally everyone is absolutely horrified when they hear about plan. Except Sonic:>"Joke's on you, I never had any!"
Have you hugged your blobian today, /sthg/?
>>586895517How
>>586895668No one except idw fans wants Sonic to behave the way you're alluding to with your shitposts
>>586895829I'm not even kidding. Sonic is so much less annoying in the movie. He's just spongebob in the next movies. The third movie is just Adventure era fanservice and it doesn't really try to have a story. The first movie is also just funnier too. It stands on its own as a movie
>>586895290>HAHAHA SONIC I AM RAPING YOUR PRINCESS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?Damn nice cheek clapping Egghead. Mind if I take a ride after you go?
>taimy spamIf its not one ship its the other
>>586896026This is canon japanese Sonic. You understand Sonic.
>>586895825You know Sonia wouldn't even be that weird since he already dated, married and had kids with a rockstar in a different continuity.
Stab a nigga up, this the shawshank redemptionBitch I send hits, I don't walk around with tensionGot a island girl and she come from St. VincentPull up with that chopper, nigga stutterin n flinchin
I will eat out a bag of potato chips. The truth hurts bro.
>>586895512Aw yeah get all in that mouth
>>586896026This is it. This is Sonic's personality.
>>586896065Don't mess with us Tailsbros. We'll ship your favorite character with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxFV4qPXZ9M
>>586895517Movie 3 genuinely did the emotional beats better than SA2
>>586896019Do you have examples? Sonic is saying shit like Keanu being a national treasure since movie 1.
>>586896327It doesn't change that in canon he's a sterile bullying vicitm.
>>586895321>CUMfiona
>>586896463Tom trying to hide Sonic and accidentally implying he's a human trafficker
>>586896230>"I'll take a potato chip. AND EAT IT!"-Tools the Box
Sonic is Danzo Mario is Hiruzen
There's a timeWhen the moonReveals its face through the cloudsI let out a sighAnd want to cry out loudBut deep in my heartI feel love so aliveIn the depths of my soul,I know we will survive......MIGHTAM6
>>586896180OPPAI
>>586896605Sonic should be like Madara, not Danzo. Sonic is an equal to Mario.
>>586896731is this implying amy is trans or what
>>586896804>Sonic is Madara>Mario is Hiruzen
Tailsamy is like if Naruto actually accepted it when Sakura lied to him
>>586896149Mina sung pop she was far from a "rockstar"
>>586896972Just saw a video of a guy saying that to a girl working at a grocery store
>tailsxsoniayeah nothing weird about fucking your best friend's twin
>>586897075iirc she was in a rock band. So pop-rock.
>>586897185Did she puke and cry and piss and shit herself?
Chester's Flamin' Hot Fries
>>586897179devilhog?
>>586897391She concern trolled for about 3 minutes straight until the cops arrived.
force femming kit
>>586897575So yes, yes she did. Typical foid behavior.
Full power
Douge
>>586897601
>>586897707Douge.
>>586897707>>586897798Completely ooc archieshit pariing for people who don't care about Shadow
>>586897860I love Shadow. Rouge is in his corner more than any. YOU don't care about Shadow.
whatever happened to the archie and satam character
>>586897949>I love Shadow. Rouge is in his corner more than any.Delusional
>>586897949>"Shadow... I want you to know, that... Even if the whole world turns against you... I'll stay by your side. No matter what."rouge is a real nigga
Bots before thots
Reminder that Krack is the shipsperg who polices other ships.
I love>Sonamy>Shadouge>SilvazeAm I boring?
>>586898209Okay but who asked?
>>586898307I asked
>>586898069Who is more in his corner than Rouge you fake fan?>>586898128The realest.
>>586896731>CybersixStop talking my YouTube activityI was literally listening to that recently.
If you see people trying too hard to deny Sonurge, it's Amybesties or Quark. She's pretending to be a Sonamyfag to collect for her army so she can harass anyone for ship discussions. If you read IDW you know Surge is a tsundere for Sonic and Sonic loves messing with her and coming to her. Sonic loves Adventure and he will never slow down for Amy. Amybesties don't understand this because they don't care about Sonic, they care about Sonamy. Amybesties love attacking Archie fans even though Archie is a different canon. If Archie was the same thing with Amy they would call it the best comic ever. Never trust Amybesties. Sonurge is the best new Sonic ship.
No one asked, Duo. Go gen something to beat off to.
*headpats your OC*
>>586898807Well said, Sonurge is based and correct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tKVN2mAKRI
courtney coxi love youyou're so hoton that show
>>586898807If she didn't snatch her arm away, they would be holding hands
They wouldn't be dating if he didn't piss so loudly.
Put her out of her misery. We need a new heroine lead that won't flip flop.
Sonic loves the challenge of being with Surge.
>>586898209Dougepedo...
>>586898807stop i already love quark enough you dont need to convince me harder
>>586899391
Hi :)
uhn uhn uhnn
>>586898206Can Mecha mk 1 go Super?Can Mecha mk 3 go Super?Could Chaos Sonic go Super?
>>586899553Amy Rose to the occasion!
>>586898270No you're just normal
>>586898936>pic
Krack and Duo are like Sonic and SurgeDuo is Surge-coded
>>586899391You are tolerable when you gen. So keep genning to go with your shitty warposts or shut up if you won't gen porn
So IDWfags wouldn't find or jarring that Sonic has been put-together and confident in the past from the games and is suddenly hyperventilating and tearing up in the future? Is that considered inconsistent which was supposed to be fixed or was that never the goal in the first place?
>>586899878Big ass hammer just to get OTS'd by a WCM
>>586900023Your mistake is believing that IDWfags actually like Sonic or think about anything they say.
>>586900023IDW fans want what happened with Forces Tails but worse
>>586898270You've got good taste
>>586898270Why do you like 2 ships Sonic Team likes and 1 ship they said aren't even friends
:D
This is probably the most dead silence we've ever had for a mainline game.
>>586900586Best bros
>>586900586bro... he explicitly posted for you to not upload his art work...
>>586896809Has Amy ever even so much as crossdressed?
>>586890197Stop throwing my name at people who obviously aren't me, and stop accusing me of shooting up schools. Leave me alone, stop being so obsessed with me, stop all the nonsense you auto-generate whenever the mere thought of me enters your head.
>Sonamy>Knuxouge>Shadaria>SilvazeQuadfecta!
>>586900686Who actually gives a shit about the mainline games anymore? We haven’t had a good one in over 20 years. What are you honestly hoping for at this point? More slop? Because that’s what you’re eventually gonna get. The movies and side pieces featuring the characters you like are the only things to look forward to anymore
>>586900860CuteCanonBasedIC
Shadouge is retarded
>>586900860Don’t forget
>>586900958I don't look forward to IDW.
>>586900798someone post the image of amy dressing as shadow and saying nice cock
Where is our remake bros?
>>586900860>>586901035I like this one better than the trifecta thing cuz it doesn't forget knuckles and doesn't push the sss meme, all chars get pairs that respect how they feel
>>586901159Did I mention IDW?
>>586900707Yay
>>586901308>side pieces
>>586900140Not at all comparable Tailhanfag
>>586901145I used to like it but the shippers never care about how either feel. I'm kind of tired of Rouge being chained to Shadow like some voluptuous babysitter he doesn't fully trust instead of flying in the freedom like she's supposed to.
>>586901493That’s a main piece, hate to tell you. I meant stuff like animations, merch, Sonic Channel stuff, etc
>>586901301>"forget Knuckles"Why does this have to be some battle of validation? There are 3 male hedgehogs, there's a reason neither Knuckles nor Tails are part of it
>>586901637>I used to like this ship>But other people shipping it made me not like the ship anymore
>>586901643>That’s a main piece, hate to tell youMost people don't even know what that shit is.
>>586901637>flying in the freedom like she's supposed toYou don’t say…there’s someone out there for that
>>586901637Knuxougefags say this while wanting her "freedom" to just be flying around Knuckles, a different kind of chain they just like more>>586901771I agree. Why would shippers influence how you know a ship should be?
>>586898950>DAOKODragalia...
>>586901831
>>586900686I have to agree with the sentiment of >>586900958. What is this obsession with "muh mainline game"? Play Crossworlds. Go play old games. If you like none of that, leave and come back when the new game is out
>>586901772Any Sonic fan that’s paying attention at all knows what that is. Meanwhile it would be understandable if a more casual fan wasn’t aware of the upcoming Memories animation, for example
>>586901764Knuckles is a main character and more relevant than silverKnuckles deserves more respect plus knuxfans are chillBut if you need to force sss then shadow only loves maria
>>586901637My problem is that things have become so sanitized that we can't have Rouge be Rouge anymore. She was a hard Chaotic Neutral that wanted to triple-cross both Eggman and GUN for her own benefit. She's supposed to be fun but also entirely self-interested, which is what makes her willingness to support Shadow so important. It's in her own self-interest to keep Shadow safe and be considered a useful asset by him because he has tremendous freedom via Chaos Control, but at the same time Shadow's compulsion to protect her (a la Prison Island) conflicts with how she views their relationship to the point where she starts valuing him more than just for his usefulness. Rouge's weakness has always been guys who go out of their way to save her whenever she fucks up (like Knuckles on the Asteroid).
>>586901764Why does “trifecta” have to mean hedgehogs? STK is and always has been a more substantial trio
>>586901997You literally talk like you have only read the comics.
>>586902049People barely even buy the IDW comics.
>>586900267>I'm not talking about Gohan retard>"if they want to copy DBZ do it correctly"???>>586896351>Chaos Gamma literally states he is not GammaAnd Gemerl never speaks on being Emerl and doesn't know or care about him.>Gemerl exists to beHis own thing. A separate robot made from combat data. Not memories or personality.Gamma -> E-1000 -> Chaos GammaEmerl -> E-121 Phi -> GemerlShadow -> Shadow Android -> Metal Shadow>>586895685Infinite kills people in front of Avatar on screen in ForcesThe Diamond Cutters died fighting the Shadow Androids>>586895281>this series is short on villainsI don't think that means I wanna see bad ones
Rails
>>586902340Because you can read them for free on youtube. That doesn’t mean they’re obscure
>>586902215You talk like you were held back in school>>586902207The word trifecta here was simply coined to be about the hedgehogs and those ships. Nobody has ever claimed the Big 3 gave more chemistry or fame than STK. Why does SSS inspire this insecurity? Silver is not coming for your spot. Shadow isn't coming for your spot.
>>586902465swain-ass motherfucking lineart
>>586902419>Infinite kills people in front of Avatar on screen in Forceshuh
>>586902564> Shadow isn't coming for your spot.He very much is. That’s Iizuka’s golden child, he literally wants to give him his own franchise
The most powerful version of Sonic is American Archie Sonic, that's extreme, hardcore, and gnarly, and aggressove. Just like the country itself.
>>586902594I don't know what your funny words mean.
>>586858343>there are faggots who ship the fucking angry birdsnever again will I call myself autistic
Knuckles and Rouge is really cute double tsundereI really loved it as a kid then stopped caring as a teen but now as an adult I'm realizing my child self was right, it brings out their best traitsIt's just fun
>>586902751This is a meme, its gamenic
>>586902162You don't sound like you understand Rouge at all dude. In her first appearance she works for the President, not GUN, and she does everything in service to that job BECAUSE the job will pay her with her desire of jewels. That job is her benefit. She was never going to betray the President and she never does so either, she remains his agent during and after the events of that game. The Master Emerald was never part of her job, but that part IS for her benefit>Rouge's weakness has always been guys who go out of their way to save her whenever she fucks up (like Knuckles on the Asteroid)This isn't a terrible reading but nothing after SA2 has ever reaffirmed this regarding her and Knuckles. Every future appearance they have would have her flirt with him basically no different than how she would Sonic or Tails
>>586902851SatAM Sonic is weak, but Archie Sonic could destroy a galaxy if he wanted to
>>586902793
>>586902915Lying
>>586902810Starting to think Knuxouge was only good in Sonic X because why didn't people just make a montage from the actual games
>>586903006You got me. But if you ignore the anti feats, Archie Sonic could do that.
My crack ship? Shadails.
>>586902124>respectrespectrespectYou gotta stop with the insecurity Knuckesfag. No wonder you throw in Maria there at the end, clearly this means more to you. Some crusade about everything being taken from Knuckles
>>586902718nta but good. The sooner shadow, blaze, and silver fans get what they want and leave, the sooner they can stop bitching about having to be part of the sonic franchise like it's a prison holding their favorite character back
>>586903147I see Tails and Knuckles fags do that more than anybody though
>>586902915Primenic and Movienic have timestop without a chaos emerald and both have had godlike power exceeding Archienic. Most of Archienic's feats are just straight up lies spread around to people who didn't read it
>>586902767Swain is a prolific /co/ artist with a specific set of fetishes and very distinct style that many have begun trying to emulate as poor imitations.
>>586903218>without a Chaos EmeraldCoveniently ignoring Prime Sonic needed to be Prismatic Sonic and that both it and Movie Sonic are "moving so fast", not "stopping time" which are very different even if they look the same to you in practice
>>586902419>Metal ShadowStill memeing your fanfic huh?
>>586903116Only good for porn when Sonic and Werehog with Tails fail to make me get it up
>>586901831Rouge should wear less!
>>586903324>Coveniently ignoring Prime Sonic needed to be Prismatic SonicThat's incorrect. Primenic does timestop without any extra items at the very end of the show to say hi to all his friends
>>586903147>Shadow franchise that gets dragged down by Shitver and Shitaze, while not even making them main characters I could only laugh so hard
>>586903260/co/ and their infinite supply of autists amuse me.
>>586903269
>>586903350I'm actually the guy who criticized that guy and I'n just making a cheeky reference (I don't actually like Metal Shadow) but if you didn't like it why didn't you back me up when I was arguing with him
>>586903403>stands next to Rouge>"THIS IS AN ATTACK ON KNUCKLES-SAMA!"
>>586903027They doKeep your autistic hatred for sonic x away from me though
>>586903269If it isn't the 4th wheel.
Shatouge is only pushed by Archiefags who don't understand Shadow
>>586903403True
>>586903116Not as a ship, but I’d take literally any dynamic between them to stop the stupid “Shadow beats up Tails” meme
>>586903449
Sonic's wife
>>586903116Tails tops btw. I read a fanfic once where Tails rapes Shadow and it was really hot
Shipping franchise for autistic men.
>>586903595True. They should team up if anything else.
>>586903456Because I wasn't there for it, I only saw it while I was catching up.
>>586903520Feel free to post one
>>586903260Oh I recognize that style. His helluva boss comic is peak
>>586902419>The Diamond Cutters died fighting the Shadow AndroidsNot Eggman's fault.
>>586903418That wasnt him. That was the Prism reforming the world before things resumed
>>586903520Imagine if like um Rouge's body preemptively voided her bowls and she suddenly had emplosive dietrhea haha
>>586903847Ok I forgive you
>>586900107>OTS'd by a WCMTranslation?
>>586903908Not even Whisper sees it that way
>>586904140How does one stay true to himself when you don't even know what yourself is
>>586903217knuckles fags cry about rivalry stolen by shadow and the lack of trying to push his other aspects like treasure hunting and LORE. tails fags I agree to an extent because some of them want the nightwing treatment where he becomes an inspiring sonic clone with his own abilities. shadow, blaze, and silver fags want their characters to be full on mirrors of sonic complete with their own cast and setting. they want the kingdom hearts homestuck shenanigans where each other character is a mirror of a mirror of a mirror. they want sonic heroes but their character is the main sonic
>>586900860The only correct asnwwr
>>586903385>>586904173mods, kill this poster
>>586904279what are YOU contributing to this thread?
Horny is back :<
>>586904234I dont know how you can say Shadow/Silver/Blaze want "kingdom hearts homestuck" but defend the Tails Nightwing thing that you acknowledged
>>586901301>pretending this isnt just about sneaking Taiream.
>>586904156What’s that crap Tangle is wearing on her hand?
Tails and Shadow locked in a small room together with aphrodisiac gas hissing through the vents and Tails gets so horny he can't control himself so he rapes Shadow's tight hedgehog bussy with his fat fox knot while imagining it's Sonic
>>586904383Sports tape and hand backings
>>586904062over the shoulder'd by a worthless consumer model.
A Shadow vs Knuckles fight would be one of the coolest things in Sonic ever
>>586904436Itd go the other way around
>>586904383Boom levels of sports tape and some kind of martial arts hand pad or knuckle guard.
>>586904359i wasn't defending it i was specifically pointing that is what makes them like the others to an extent
>>586901301Doesn't Shadow get Maria flashbacks every time he sees a white girl?
>>586904571we got that in the movies and sonic x. shadow wins easy
>>586904628No because Shadow has more willpower than Tails
>>586904536Nothing comes up for hand backings. Are they called something else?
>>586901637I want Amy and Rouge rivalfagging again.Rouge is for trolling dumb echidnas and delulu yumes.
>>586904571Would it? If Shadow has no Emeralds it goes like picrel. If Shadow has one Emerald it is an unbelievable stomp
>>586904631But why are you saying "to an extent" instead of agreeing the Tailsfag agenda is on the same level as the others
>>586904709Lol based
>Knuckles no diff's and punches Sonic out of Super in S3&K>Knuckles would somehow struggle against Shadowmake it make sense
>>586901881>Knuxougefags say this while wanting her "freedom" to just be flying around Knuckles, a different kind of chain they just like moreShit you made up. Knuxouge is a dynamic that naturally can't resolve into a formal relationship. Rouge is free to go and come as she pleases.
>>586904887>Knuckles gets a surprise shot on Super once>loses his actual fight with Sonic when he's on his guard???
Tails should have sex with all females.
>>586904359Nta but, because that’s way more involved? Tails doing a nightwing at least makes sense for his character if you wanted to project it that far. Giving anyone other than Sonic a full supporting cast is just asinine
>>586904709>againYou want something that never happened? Having one fight in Battle doesn't make them 'rivals'
>>586905015>blue shoes>mischaracterizationwhat a combo
>>586905015>blue shoesRuined
>>586904698Well can you at least make Tails ride Shadow instead of anally penetrating?
>>586901908I miss Dragalia so much...
>>586905070>>586905092>BLUE SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES
>>586905070>>586905092Chris-chan...
>>586905038What do you think being Nightwing means anon? It doesn't just mean hanging around the Batcave in a different suit. Nightwing HAS his own supporting cast—he protects the city of Bludhaven and has his own villains too. Asking for Nightwing is the same as asking for KH-Homestuck or whatever
>>586905015why do people always give Tails these stupid blue shoes
>>586905015https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjIrY7nXT_U
>>586905015The blue shoes are bad but porn is porn. Anyway i much prefer Ardan Tails with the archie girls than the game girls. Especially his own mother.
>>586905107No because fuck you Tails should cum inside BitchdowSmaller weaker characters fucking larger stronger ones is hot
>>586905070>>586905092>>586905225I like the blue shoes simply because of how much it makes you retards seethe for no reason
>>586905276Thats only hot when its straight shota
>>586904780Shadow is one of the most physically strong characters in the franchise. Let him fight a fair fight against Knuckles without the assistance of the chaos emeralds
>Miscolor a character's shoes>At least 4 screeching tards come out of the woodwork scampering like roaches
>>586905185>What do you think being Nightwing meansHaving unprotected sex with Harley Quinn and moving on like it wsnt a big deal
>AIEEEEEEEE BLUE SHOESI try to vouch for us but Sonic fans really are hopelessly autistic.
>>586904156The panel I posted was long after the T&W Miniseries, and in that page Whisper isn't blaming Eggman for her team's deaths, she's just reaffirming the OGDC's mission against Eggman.IDW has handled Whisper in a really bizarre way.
>>586902162I see it more like Rouge finds guys with a strong sense of duty or purpose to be admirable.She very clearly resonated with both Knuckles' and Shadow's speeches in SA2.
>>586905015Is that the same artist that drew Tails fucking his own mom and Sally?
Do not lewd your mother.
>>586905185Because the original anon only meant it in the context of “an inspiring sonic clone with his own abilities”
>>586905349Ok so like I said without an Emerald it just goes like that pic
>>586904887Classic is a different dimension with different power-scaling rules.>>586904960Classic Knuckles actually beats two Super hedgehogs in S3&K.
>>586905571Remember when Tails thought he found his parents but they were robots made by Eggman and Sonic saved him and told him they were family?
>dude just roll over on the shoes who caresWhy do you have to change it in the first place? The idea comes from a retarded twitter meme and pseudointellectuals thinking theyre applying color theory or something. Its dumb
>>586905015
>>586905642Yes.
>>586902419>And Gemerl never speaks on being Emerl and doesn't know or care about him.Not the same thing.Whatsmore is Gemerl is clearly thematically carrying Emerl's soul. Battle ends on the note he will come back one day in a world without weapons.How does Adv3 end? Tails deweaponizes Gemerl.And it happens after he absorbed the emeralds after Sonic holds a shards saying his soul is still in it.>Infinite kills people in front of Avatar on screen in ForcesPhantom Ruby. Everyone just thought they were dead. No one actually died.
>>586905614And when you play the game you're referencing you'd know that Knuckles can't do anything to Super Mecha. He can't catch him off guard and has to wait for him to lose invulnerability to attack
>>586905671Did you lose your mind when Sonic's arms were blue in Boom?
>>586905717oh that actually looks betterhmm...
I hate how much that Zelda remake just makes me hate the Hedgehog Engine for not being capable of good visuals
>>586905614>Classic is a different dimension with different power-scaling rules.KILL YOURSELF!!!
>>586905414Whisper doesn't know how to move on based on her reaction to the Diamond Cutter name in Urban Warfare
>>586895825Sonia should wear less!
>>586903027Dougecel...
>>586905745My point is that Knuckles is/was smart enough to know how to deal with Super forms, at least Classic Knuckles was.
>>586905758The Boom subbrand is different. Blue arms suck but it's not main so for all they care they can do blue shoes Tails there too>>586905770The hedgehog engine is just a lighting engine, and a cutting edge one at that. Has nothing to do with other aspects like models or environments
>>586905758NTA but Sonic’s blue arms actually look decent. It was made by professionals. Tails’s blue shoes is just fanfiction.
>>586905597How? Knuckles is skilled at martial arts. He knows how to punch and dodge. So does Shadow
>>586905879I find it amusing when you pornify art by a porn artist
>>586905946>>586905971It's a fan picture. It's even less meaningful. Calm your autism down.
>>586905946Hedgehog engine is the overall render, it’s similar to Nintendo’s own ModuleSystem, Capcom’s RE Engine, or Epic’s Unreal Engine in regards to how it works but is far far behind all of those in all areas.
Ultimate, maximum, and super powered
>>586906035Siblings who watch porn together stay together
>>586905945That's not an accomplishment that matters if you lose to base form Sonic>>586906000All his martial arts skill got him was a stalemate with Sonic. So that's all that would happen with Shadow.
>>586906090You’re the one that was all like>REEE I bet you hate blue arms too! Chris Chan LULZ
>>586905770I hate how the Zelda remakes makes me want to kill everyone in Nintendo in minecraft.
>>586906114So dumb.
>>586906093Can you compare the Fox Engine MGSV to Fox Engine to Hedgehog Engine?
was 06 the worst thing that ever happened to sonic
>>586905841But Urban Warfare was about her getting over that and learning how to move on.
I'm ugly fat and retarded
>>586906148Yes>>586905583Then "original anon" was wrong to say Nightwing because that's not really Nightwing
>>586906321Duo....
>>586906114This gif conveys absolutely nothing. I can’t tell what the hell is going on. Why do you repost this?
how is the hedgehog engine not capable of good visualsisn't' that the engine used for generations
>>586905770Unironically a master class in design to redo the lost woods music to only be played by Saria in the distance getting louder as you go down the right paths.This is the type of design that will keep Iizuka and Morimoto up for months
>>586906309"Their cause" was fighting eggman for money what is whisper talking about
>>586906230>No uThen why did you respond in the first place?
>>586906397The Hedgehog Engine was a physics engine you dumbfuck
>>586906404why are you mobileposting about ootr in a sonic thread
I'm jacked and I'm a genius
>>586905743>Gemerl is clearly thematically carrying Emerl's soul.But he's not Emerl. He's a different person. You can use fluff and weasel words like soul but he's simply not Emerl. Emerl didn't come back. Emerl never came back.
>>586906321Evan...
>>586906270Fox Engine solves all the lighting problems sega tried to fix with hedgehog engine but managed to do it in a way that kept games performant and didn’t sacrifice resolution either.
>>586903908>>586905414> Not Eggman's fault.> Whisper isn't blaming Eggman for her team's deaths, she's just reaffirming the OGDC's mission against Eggman.And I'm not blaming you for that absolute bullshit excuse. I'm blaming the writers for that cop-out because they didn't fully account for how Eggman's involvement in the death of Whisper's teammates paints him as the legitimate threat he should be
>>586906456I could ask you the same thing, funnily enough. >>586905758
>>586906397It is capable of good visuals, Nintendofags are retarded and just want to advertise their slop here.
>>586906321Woefag…
>>586902810
>>586906486Someone just said it's not capable of good visuals, dipshit. Maybe try to keep up dick for brains?
>>586906548Eggman is a legitimate threat with or without the death of the Diamond Cutters. The series doesn't need to "paint" anything but yes the idw writers are retarded
>>586906517Only way to pull screenshots off of a Switch is via mobile, but that’s because Nintendo said not enough people use computers for them to let you link screenshots to it
using sonic x for characterization is just as bad as using archie
>>586895543Rouge should be wearing less, here!
>>586906586Im just realizing was rouge's spy outfit just to make animating her easier?
>>586904156What issue is this page from?
>>586906390It's a gif from SSXU, and I downloaded it because the rest I found on Google were over 4 megabytes. Perhaps this GIF makes more sense?
>>586906160>base form SonicCompletely different situation, Base Sonic isn't on a (non-gameplay) time-limit like Super Sonic. lolIt's like Buu being able to beat Gotenks because he ran down their fusion time limit, but a stronger Buu was losing to Vegito because Vegito didn't have a time limit .
>>586906557I responded because I thought your initial reaction was funny. I know we're autistic in here but you're not that retarded.
>>586906638>Only way to pull screenshots off of a Switch is via mobileThis isn't true. You can do the same thing you do with a phone using a computer. You can also connect a USB cable from the Switch to your PC and transfer the files from the system's settings. Stop advertising off topic games in this general.
>>586906548>capable ofthey want drama but they want silly old meanie head dr. eggman to be part of the sonic family too, so eggman has to do stuff for drama but no one blames him
>>586906652Whats the difference with the first one you posted
>>586906650Delusional westfag
>>586906486Havok is the physics engine of choice for segaHavok is a plug in they use for hedgehog engine
>>586906710>Completely different situation, Base Sonic isn't on a (non-gameplay) time-limit like Super Sonic.Knuckles did not exploit Super Sonic's time limit. He surprise attacked him and he didn't even stick around for a fight, a fight which we later see he would lose to base Sonic
Aryan blue eyed human women
>>586906694Very last page of the very last issue of the Tangle & Whisper mini-series
>>586906718Sonic lives and dies based on what Zelda does.The only way we can know his future is based on what Zelda doesZelda goes open world, Sonic followsLink turns into a werewolf, So does Sonic
>>586906772It was used a ton in the 7th generation outside of Sonic, but I don't know if it is still used outside of Sonic.
>>586905414Lol, that is not even a costly sacrifice. What is with this obsession with "growing" and "moving on".
>>586906712Sorry, were we battling wits? Ok.
>>586906729nta but they push the image through an ai and put the female character in a more revealing outfit
>>586905717Amy should be wearing less in public!
>>586906694Idw 93 after Tangle and Whisper resolve the 'Mimic' crisis
>>586904549How was anyone supposed to get that?
>>586906718>dude you have to make transferring photos harder on yourself because i said so??
What are some Sonic scenarios or couples you think are hot but nobody else thinks it's hot so it has little to no art
>>586906859Almost none.Hedgehog Engine isn’t performant enough for most of sega devs to use it, like if Atlus had to use it suddenly the games would look and run worse.
>>586906902AAAAAAAAA NEED TO HAVE SEX WITH MOBIAN WOMEN NOW NOW NOWNOWNOWNOWNOW NOW NOOOWW
>>586906892I know that part lil bro im saying whats the difference between >>586906652 and >>586904173
>>586906959There's nothing harder about it. You can do whatever you want though.
>>586905015>>586905717>>586906902NO THE FUCK YOU CAN'T AMY YOU CAN'T EVEN GET WITH SONIC
>>586906902Could you do this one?
>>586906967Amy Rose/Surge/Blaze wearing a necktie, and biting it in their teeth
>>586904694>easyNo>>586904780It wouldn't be a stomp. Shadow had to pop inhibs.
>>586906902>Tails should be wearing red in public!Sad you couldn’t tell the AI to do that.
>>586906887The 32x was weaker than the Saturn why are we defending it just because it was pro-consumer
>>586906729The first one had weird blurring and artifacts around Rouge’s hand, unfortunately.>>586897695Honey should be wearing less!
>>586906957learn the language
>>586906967a few years ago someone posted a fanfic where Rouge was cockteasing Sonic over and over until he couldn't take it anymore and decided to rape her, but then when he finally started raping he realized he was raping Rebel instead of Rouge.
>>586906967Sonic girls wearing garter belts>>586907046SECONDED
>>586906967you'd get raped so fast it'd be over before you even realize what happened.
>>586906857>5 years between botw to FrontiersIf an SA1 remake doesn't happen within 5 years, you're wrong.
There will be no new Sonic modelThere will be no tech refresh for Sonic TeamThere will be no increased budgetThere will be no increase in hiring
>>586907070Not sure what you're talking about but I'm talking about the games and Shadow has never done that when fighting Knuckles in the games.
>>586907079Same reason why PS1 and PS2 got downports of games from the following console generation.
>>586905841And Mimic's name being brought up in Casefiles when he should be dead by then.
>>586906967Raping Shadow
>>586907137garters are incredibly common thoughbeit
>>586906412Nope, that was just a Slinger zinger™. Taking down the Forces era Eggman Empire was their cause, as picrel shows. It's really unfortunate the OGDC are all dead so they can't be fleshed out more.
>>586905040It was also a thing in Chronicles and FreeRiders.
>>586906840>>586906906Oh, that's when Tangle was like "NOOOOO YOU CAN'T KILL HIM WHISPER!" and they just have Tails send him to jail in a prison box?
>>586907008I didn't see the original deleted file posted so I thought you were asking what the difference was between >>586906652 and >>586895543then i looked in the archive and the deleted one is bigger but blurred at the bottom
>>586907293Not in sonic art/porn
>>586906967Sonic girls in suits
>>586907397Chronicles isnt canon
>>586905040Bios described them as having a rivalry. Very much seems like the angle/intention they were gonna go before Shilldow came back and broke up Team Dark.
How long has Tangle and Whisper even known each other?
>>586906806But the Mecha MKII fight shows that C. Knuckles could have taken Super Sonic, if he needed to.
You know what else is canon?My mom!
>>586907643Muscle Man...
>>586907643You know who else is canon?
>>586907643Cream...
>>586905614Mecha isnt a true Super. Also you beat it by waiting for the state to wear off before attacking.
>>586907757
Thank you lessclothinganon
>>586907225>There will be no tech refresh for Sonic Team>There will be no increased budget>There will be no increase in hiringThese have all already happened with CrossWorlds and Shadow Generations.
>>586907046Absolutely flabbergasted that this one went through lmfao.Anyways, Rosemary should wear less!
>>586907571Which bios br-->shilldowI guess if you're gonna shit on a relationship she does have to prop up one that she doesn't you don't need to reply any further
>>586907825Why is she like this?
>>586907581Several months, Tangle and Whisper were training with Lanolin during the events of Frontiers.
>>586907818>Also you beat it by waiting for the state to wear off before attackingThis could make for a good horror game
>>586907636No it doesn't, because Super Mecha Sonic doesn't work exactly like Super Sonic. Moreover if you so choose you can try that hypothetically out for yourself—let me know if Knuckles gives you trouble when you play the Hidden Palace fight as Super.
>>586907949obsessive psychopath suffering suicidal depression after she lost her source of vitamin d
>>586907937PEAKyoure my favorite anon
Sega is a small indie company pls understand
>>586907937You are very based for making this. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to empty my balls.
>>586907919Those games clearly prove they didn’t get any extra money, time, budget, or better techIf the next game looks the same as Forces/Frontiers/Shadow Gens then it’s over for the dream of them getting anything new
>>586906524The point is he is more directly carrying his torch, which was the thing that was said. Chaos Gamma being mistaken for gamma but not being him at all is an active point by comparison.
>>586907956Frontiers didnt take several months to happen, we don't know anything about the timeline gaps post Forces
Can someone make Amy Rose wearing a necktie
>>586908039Wow, she sounds just like my mom irl.
>>586908072Rosemaryfag, how hot is YOUR mom?
>>586908076>they didn’t get any extra money, budget, or better techThey literally did.>timeOh please shut up. They've been taking 5 years to release games like Forces when they used to make amazing games in less than 2 years. Time isn't as important as you people make it out to be. Good project management and fair payment is what matters.
>>586906687I don't see how.
>>586908238did rouge ever try to steal the master emerald after heroes
>>586907937Can you try this one too?
>>586908206Wow, mine too! Our moms should make out!
>>586908245I love her but she's way past her prime and I don't think about fucking my mom.
>>586908435Was she hot when she was younger
>>586908390Hey, so does my mom! We should watch them have a three way!
>>586906857>Sonic lives and dies based on what Zelda doesSemi-forced meme. Zelda is an influential series in general.
>>586908493Probably. But I don't wanna think about it.
>everyone on /sthg/ has a white trash mom that permanently fucked up their social developmentNeat!
Stop lewding your moms!
>>586908573If we were white i would totally fuck my younger mom
>>586908558This is the first time I’m ever hearing an incest furry admit they don’t want to bang their mom, let alone wanna think about it.
>>586908558Why so icky about it? I don't want to fuck my mom but I can admit from an objective viewpoint that when she was younger, she was attractive. You gotta let go of the mental block that's making you think it's weird and deeper than it is. I'm not saying to go jerk off to your mom.
>>586908663What if we lewd each other's moms?
>>586907238The only fight they had in the games was in Heroes technically. But it wasnt a 1v1.
>>586908694You misunderstand. I want to fuck my mom as a different character/person. I don't want to fuck MY mom. There's a difference.
>>586908354Rosemary should continue to wear less!
>>586908687We’re not white?
>>586908825BASEDBASEDBASED AHH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU5CB8r3ezA
>>586908869
>>586908825Can you try with this please?
>>586908809This is wrong. In Rivals games they have multiple encounters which all end in ties
>>586908825God damn she's a bombshell.
Sonic
>>586907556Because it was decanonized. It still happened.
>>586909069Chronicles has a lot of stuff in it that feels like there was almost no oversight from Sega
>>586907085if Honey was really Tails friend she would be curing his gayness
>>586907940>guess if you're gonna shit on a relationship she does haveDougebag....YOURE the one trying to erase/downplay all other dynamics to "protect" your memeship.
Gay yumeshipping
>>586909081I like how this pic uses the same color pallet as some of the IDW issues.
female characters were a mistake
>>586908825https://e621.net/posts/4394820Brazu?
>>586907757Sonia should wear... more?
>>586909069It's not like Iizuka wrote that game. It was already teetering the line of "??", the decanonization is just the final nail
>>586908336Not in a game, to my recollection, though she has mentioned it.Knuckles makes it sound like a thing she does on occasion in Tailstube.
>>586909180Rouge has dynamics with Sonic Knuckles and Shadow in canon. Even the President. With Amy she does not. This isn't crazy.
Is Sonic a cuck in Archie?
>>586909394Yes
>>586908292Then why don’t their games look any better?Why are we still using the same shitty models and engines?
>>586909014Why do people keep trying to downplay Knuckles?
>>586909219That OC is supposed to be male?
>>586909352>>586908336
>>586909506How is it a fucking downplay to say he ties his encounters with Shadow in Rivals games?
I wish Rouge would take my virginity
>>586909145It has a lot of stuff in it that feels like they got direct notes though.They got Rouge's relationship with the president correct and knew about Amy's cards and blowing kisses.Even a lot of Amyfags dont know about that
>>586909506The audience fell for the STR vs. DEX meme and Sonic has maximum DEX and also has plot armor from being the protagonist so it's presumed that Knuckles gets knock-knocked the fuck out by default.
>>586909589>Knuckles Shadow TailsRouge exclusively wants naive virgin men who dont know better
https://files.catbox.moe/j4trl3.jpeg
>>586909517Inkbunny posts, can't show them but yes.
>>586909316That's besides the point though. It used the rivalry dynamic.>>586909369Play the games?
>>586909667I see
>>586909634It's not presumed dipshit. Sonic and Knuckles have two famous encounters everyone knows about—Hidden Palace and SA1. One Sonic win, one stalemate. Knuckles has never beaten Sonic in a fight and all people can bring up is his opening sneak attack on Super which has never reflected into him winning a full fight against Sonic
>>586909716>play the games>the noncanon one and Free RidersRiveting
>>586909583Wasn't talking about you. Talking about thr person insisting Shadow neg diffs.>>586909526>Rivals 2Go figure.
>>586909814>admits they are in gamesThanks for the concession.
Skipping Chronicles, the Rivals games, and Free Riders is perfectly reasonable. Also any of the mobileslop titles.
>>586909831Well you replied to me so that was confusing
I TOLD YOU TO FUCK YOUR WAIFU YOURSERF SONIC CHANNER IS YOUR FAURT
>>586909976You're retarded. Only Chronicles is skippable
NEED Rouge to SUCK my SOUL out of my DICK and after she DRAINS my BALLS she DRAINS my BANK ACCOUNT leaving me DESTITUTE and HOMELESS
>>586907937>>586908825>Archie Tails wakes up every morning to see that
>>586909995back in your cell.
>>586910058The Rivals games suck and Free Riders is trash. And mobile games aren’t real games.
>>586909976>>586910058But... chronicles establishes big blue...
>>586910159Games being bad doesnt mean skipping them or we'd only count Sonic 2, 3&K, and Mania as canon
>>586910196Well now Generations does thank you Pontaff>>586910093Didnt read archie can someone tell me if they actually lived like this? I know his mom was captured but did they reunite when his parents came back? Like before the reboot
>>586909994Sorry
>>586910196Doesn’t justify playing it.>>586910230You’re learning. They thought it couldn’t be done.
>aww ladies>ladies>ladies that's enough>LADIES STOP>STOP PLEASE>WE'RE IN PUBLIC NO>SOONIIC
>>586910308It's ok I forgive you
>>586910295Tails' parents eventually reunite with him in Archie and they live together. I only know this because I've seen clipped art from the comic so I have no idea how they come back.
>>586910361I forgot that Paps was a fucking faggot
>>586910370This scene is OOC.
>>586909268Blaze should wear less!FLAT CAT FLAT CAT FLAT CAT I LOVE FLAT CAT!!!!
>>586910414Fuck you
>>586910361>"Sonic!!">live sonic reaction
>>586910493I can imagine Tails saying that in his Sonic Adventure voice
>>586910413So living as a family was their status quo before rebooting?>>586910473>he even managed to get the canon chest coloryou are a god
>>586910361They can't keep getting away with this!
>>586910485kek
>>586910557Afaik yea.
Sonic Adventure needed sexual moments that date the game and make reviewers have to awkwardly talk around it like Megaman Legends
>>586910470How so?>>586909930One game, Free Riders. Which i just checked and you're a fucking fraud. They have no direct rivalry. They have banter like every fucking team matched up in the game, it's not even personal
>>586910815What does Megaman Legends have
>>586910117Naka was never in jail
>>586910913Haha, oh man, that's, uhm, well, we ahh we don't talk about THOSE parts whoo man it's, ehh, it's pretty dated, so, yeah...
>>586910370#FreeRouge from Shitdow jail.https://youtu.be/w2Bzn9Bi52o
>>586910913https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cwWkGh1TCIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP2XJXc1F2I>>586910975Exactly. Sonic needed more things like that. We would be better off.
>>586908992The conductor's wife should wear less!https://files.catbox.moe/ow4sp0.jpg
>>586910859>One game3 games. 1 of which was decanonized. Also Heroes was going to do it but Shadow came along and derailed it.
Would anyone else go for a game where Rouge is with Sonic? Not shippingshit. Just something to give her character focus like everyone else from SA2 got by now.
>>586911070What's jail to you? Being relevant only because you cling to a specific character?
>>586911096Why does he pump his fist to Roll but blush at Tron?
>>586910859>They have no direct rivalry. They have banter like every fucking team matched up in the game, it's not even personalRouge keeps abusing E-100000 B and Amy gets upset about it and calls it out since she is Gammapilled.But sure, call me the fraud, fraud.
>>586911227Heroes was gonna put them on a team larper. Nothing about their rivalry was described, you're making that leap based on the Team Sonic parallel>>586911243I would go for any game where we get more character interaction and dynamics. Team Sonic Charmy Omega ftw
>>586910975The only thing from the games people talk about like this is Amy's pantyshots and it looks like those are being removed forever
>>586911290>dougebag calls Rouge irrelevant without Shadow.Mask off already?
>Wake up>First thing he has to do is blow a load so his mom can have her cream for her coffee>Has to have his mom help him with her mouth because Rouge already drained him the night before>Eats his breakfast and gets ready for a day of adventure with the Freedom Fighters and Sonic>Bump into Honey and get molested and groped for an hour>Finally makes it to the headquarters>Aunt Sally is in heat again and Sonic is no where to be seen>Spend up until lunch getting ridden by her so she can get over it>Lunch comes around and Antoine cooks a large delicious hearty meal>Antoine asks if he can help take care of Bunnie's prosthetics after their done because she's been having problems apparently>Escorts Bunnie to his tech room only for her to get undressed and Sally to sneak in behind her>Turns out nothing was wrong, Bunnie was also in her heat and Antoine needed a break>Get fucked for another couple of hours straight>Finally time to go home, he doesn't even bother trying to clean up all the cum>For fuck sake some of it is on the ceiling.>Run into Mina while going home and she's all blushy and weird.>Admits she has feelings for him and forces a full french kiss on him before running off>He finally gets home and gets to take a shower and have a nice dinner>Gets to bed thinking maybe he finally has time to recover from the day>Groggily wakes up to feel Rouge riding him several hours later>Doesn't even protest or complain he's too tired>Fall back asleep as she showers him in kisses>Wake up>RepeatTails in Archie....had a hard life.
the last 3 years are a pr nightmare for shadouge fans
>>586906695HOLY KINObtw if you want better gifs you should make them yourselfDownload the video, use shotcut to edit it, and use EZgif to convert the video into a gif
>>586911396As long as they don't get rid of her incredibly lewd song from SA2 I can deal with the loss of pantyshots because we live in a post-high speed internet era where people can upload artwork of Amy's upskirts and I don't have to fiddle with the camera controls when Mom isn't home.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXY5N1KV7wc
>>586911325>Amy gets upset about it and calls it out since she is Gammapilled.Meanwhile in the actual script..>Cream: Mr. Robot! Are you all right?!>Cream: Please let poor Mr. Robot rest!>Cream: That's a terrible thing to say about your own teammate!>Cream: That's a terrible thing to call poor Mr. Robot!>Cream: In the meantime, please get poor Mr. Robot some help, Mr. Omochao!>Cream: Is Mr. Robot going to be all right, Mr. Omochao? And where have the rest of Team Dark gotten off to?!Yeah, you are a fraud, fraud. CREAM cares about E-10000B. Not Amy.
>>586911389>Heroes was gonna put them on a team larper. Nothing about their rivalry was described, you're making that leap based on the Team Sonic parallelAre you being retarded on purpose? If Battle is any indication, they were gonna banter and have a rivalry. Like a paralel to Sonic and Knuckles but less friendly.
Taps sign: Sonic has gay sex every day and he's adventurous in all the positions and kinks he used
>>586911527I think you have developmental issues
>>586911717Where do you think we are?
>>586911693>if Battle is any indicationWhich it isn't because Battle makes it a point to reference Shadow's Heroes memories of what Rouge and Sonic say to him>they were gonna parallel Sonic and K--So like I said, that's your assumption. It's not a bad one, but a nonconfirmed one nonetheless. As it stands now they have nothing but the one-off of Battle
>reading a manga>main character has been absent for three chapters>start to get angry even though there's probably a reason for this Is this how normies felt about the 2000s games
>>586911659>Cream existing makes you downplay Amy's care about E-10000B getting bullied.And like that you have proven the Cream detractors correct.That's for playing.
>>586911527I chose to skip everything between the Rosemary and Mina part
How old were you when you realized Rosey the Rascal was how Ian saw 2000s Amy
>>586911874>Which it isn't because Battle makes it a point to reference Shadow's Heroes memories of what Rouge and Sonic say to himWtf does this have to do with anything? Amy and Rouge had a rivalry.>So like I said, that's your assumptionYou're high on copium.Shipping is a mental illness.No wonder you ramble about Shadow memories for no reason.You literally see the idea of Rouge and Amy having a meaningful dynamic as a threat to your ship.
>>586911527kek
>>586911895Retard, I don't care about your Cream war. It is a FACT that that is how that game CHOSE to write Amy in Cream. Amy does NOT show the same level of concern for E-10000B as Cream does. She makes ONE remark about him smoking. The rest is all Cream being sad for him and asking Team Dark to stop. Blame the writers, not me, and next time don't headcanon a version of the game that didn't happen. Maybe Amy should've spoke up. But she didn't. And you were so clouded by your rivalfag agenda you chose to not see that.
>>586912101>meaningful dynamicAnd it’s just generic mistrust, not dissimilar to most of the cast.
>>586911878What manga
Shadouge is toxic ship and Shadougefag is the new Blazeshitter.I despise people who erase character dynamics to isolate characters for their ship.Literal proxy yandere shit.
>>586912316>Amy does NOT show the same levelYou claimed she did not AT ALL, which is a LIE you try to push by pointing out Cream exists doing it along side her.Yet you call me the fraud, lmao.You are reliant on fudging the details to push agendas.
>>586912320>Generic mistrust.Amy actively calls her out on treating bonds as transactional and being superficial while Rouge shits on her for buying into disney princess bullshit.You would know this if you actually played the game. But you didn't, poser.
More toxic ships.I want ships where the females cheat and cuck their boyfriend and tells them it's their fault.I want ships where the males beat and rape their girlfriend and tells them it's their fault.I want ships where both of them clearly do not get along or even like each other but their both too insecure to leave so they take each other's abuse.I want ships that end with a broken home with children that will never see their parents together again.
>>586912101>Wtf does this have to do with anythingIt means the canon Heroes that happened was consciously known for Battle's writing. There wasn't guesswork about "oh we better think about Amy and Rouge's rivalry in this potential version of Heroes">Amy and Rouge had a rivalry.(they didnt)I really you aren't the same guy >>586912385 because you're more worried about shipping than anything else in this whole argument. Citing Chronicles and getting btfo on Free Riders, you're more delusional than any shiptard here. Next time just say "I'd like if they had a rivalry" not this bullshit where they had one>>586912489Even Vector points out E-10000B is smoking. It is not a sign of care that Amy points that out. You are a fraud faggot. Amy did not care in the game. Cream did. You probably didn't even play the fucking game
Mom, dad, please stop fighting
>>586911243Everyone in SA2 is literally a main character except for her and Shadow, and Shadow became the 2nd most popular character after SA2. Of course they got focus. Rouge isn't like them.
>>586912632Much like rules and limits, homes were meant to be broken
>>586912687Fuck you, you stupid niggershit.
>>586912632ShadallyMephilver
>>586912632That's not even shipping anymore. You're just applying real life to cartoons.
>>586912723Wtf are you talking about
>>586907825>>586912769what in fuck's cunt??
I barely replay Sonic games after a first play, with the exception of SA2.
>>586912632Sonurge before they have developed
>>586912634>Even Vector points out E-10000B is smokingBut he isn't cussing out Rouge for it like Cream and Amy are. You're still huffing copium.>you're more worried about shipping than anything else in this whole argumentYou arent fooling anyone. You sperged about Shadow memories in Battle out of nowhere for no reason. You dropped your mask. Its over. You fumbled.
>>586912713Made for blue hedgehog breeding
ShinjixAsuka
>>586913062>like Amy and CreamYOU'RE huffing copium. Only Cream is getting mad. Amy is not. Picrel, the ONLY line where Amy even acknowledges anything about it, and you're trying to play this off like she cared or was Cream-level about it>bringing up evidence about Heroes is spergingWhy don't you drop the mask and tell us what ship you're campaigning for that makes Shadow threaten?
>>586913294I'm watching an eva video essay right now wtf
Evan Stanley cannot draw human women.
>>586913391I am inside your walls.
>>586912894Can you learn to read?
Evan can't draw human women.
>>586913338>YOU'RE huffing copium. Only Cream is getting mad. Amy is not.Go actually watch the cutscenes, you flaming retard. You are reading lines on a wiki and just projecting assumptions that are convenient for your narrative.Yes, Amy gets mad and actually was cussing out Rouge. Wiki using poser.
>>586913470>amy gets mad and actually was cussing at RougeThen feel free to pull up the cutscene and cite your source retard. I have to post wiki screenshots because your dumb ass doesn't know the script of the game he's larping
>>586913492How are they not main characters in SA2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEacjUuPsscGN
>>586913680Goodnight! :)
>>586913665...Main characters in general, not specifically in SA2. Everyone in SA2 was a main character in SONIC other than Rouge and Shadow. Then Shadow got mega popular and on a level beyond Rouge. That's why he got focus, along with the main characters of the franchise, and Rouge did not.
>>586913665Not him but he clearly meant that Shadow and Rouge are the two new characters and everyone else was established main characters
>>586911145
>>586912385>wanting rouge to be with a guy who actively hates her isn't toxic>wanting rouge to be with a child isn't toxic>wanting shadow to be so traumatized over a dead girl he can't move on to someone who wants to help him heal isn't toxic>wanting shadow to be a rebound for a girl who's unrequited crush fell through isn't toxicI mean at some point you have to just admit that shadouge is the only realistic choice that actively develops and improves the characters in a sensible and moral way.
>>586913816Thoughts on Shadaze
>>586913572The evidence os IN your screenshot. You are just playing dumb to be obstinate by insisting her lines arent her being angry because it cant be conveyed with pure dialogue.Ive actually watched the cutscenes I don't have anything to prove. You've been arguing dishonestly over shipfaggotry from the start.https://youtu.be/-gTTW48UZY8
>>586913816if i cant be mentally healthy then nobody can
>>586913870>no timestampFigures.>her lines aren't being angryLINE. ONE. Which she doesn't even fight Rouge over. You are a retard or a liar.
>>586913816>falling for the obvious bait.
>>586913865
>>586913965
>>586912385You're genuinely insane if you think Shadougefags are anymore near the level of deeply deranged as Blazeshitters.
>>586913816When I said Shadouge is a toxic ship, I was talkong about the mentality behind the people that cling to it. Not the shop dynamic itself. Moralizing fictional relationships is retarded.Also Knuckles doesnt hate her. >wanting rouge to be with a child isn't toxic>wanting shadow to be so traumatized over a dead girl he can't move on to someone who wants to help him heal isn't toxic>wanting shadow to be a rebound for a girl who's unrequited crush fell through isn't toxicI literally do not care about your Krack schizophrenia.
>>586913816There is nothing toxic about Shadow loving Maria.
>Amy was cussing out RougeI don't even know what you're talking about. Am I missing something?
>>586912385Truthiest of nukes.
>>586913816You flambéed him.
>>586913983>more mass copiumNext youre gonna try to claim they had 0 dynamic in Battle some more. Keep dancing.
>>586914304Nice job deflecting. But based on the panic about shipfagging and you not knowing how to interpret cutscenes I know who I'm talking to. Are you gonna tell me about how Knuckles and Rouge eating chili dogs in Generations was a date?
>>586914146This one certainly is and its not even a question.
>>586914401>making this about Knuxouge out of nowhereYou dropped your mask again.Idgaf about that. I legit just like the Amy Rouge rivalry dynamic and want more of it, schizo. It was gonna be in Heroes and everything.
What if Sonic had a vagina
>>586914401>picI don't know if this scene is written any better in Japanese or not but it's so fucking dumb in English.
>>586914278>Astroturfing
I'd dislike Shadouge a lot less if the fans stopped attacking Knuckles and Maria. That guy doesn't even see them as characters. He made posts about raping and killing Maria when Year of Shadow happened out of pure seething jealousy because he sees Rouge as Bulma and Shadow as his self-insert Vegeta, so obviously they're destined lovers, at least in his nearly-40 year old mind. and has the gall to call Shadow's pure love for Maria "toxic". I don't want to get involved in ship warring but if it goes on for much longer I'm going to type out a large copypasta systemically dismantling the pairing and he's not going to like it. Get over yourself, stop harassing people who aren't into Shadouge, and stop taking offense to those who care about what Shadow or Rouge really feel.
>>586914685>I'd dislike Shadouge a lot less if the fans stopped attacking Knuckles and Maria.And noe Amy apparently. Like wtf. Rouge isnt allowed to have any relationships that isn't Shadow apparently.
>>586914769Oh yeah, I've seen him dig at Amy too. And Cream. Fucking Cream. Because Rouge lost a milestone to her, so he ruined Cream's milestone with Rouge spam. That shit was years ago now, probably not even in the archive.
>>586914549>i want Amy and Rouge to be rivalsCool>it was gonna be in HeroesBased on your assumptions. Please just shut up already
>>586914821>Because Rouge lost a milestone to her,I remember that! Holy shit!I even have pic related from when it happened.
>>586914193>When I said Shadouge is a toxic ship, I was talkong about the mentality behind the people that cling to it. You 100% weren't, which is hilarious given the alternatives are so stereotypically toxic it's cliche.>Also Knuckles doesnt hate her.Oh so all the bitching and moaning about how much he dislikes rouge is just larping. You know, the guy who wears his feelings on his sleeves. It's also interesting to note how Douge seems to hate him to with a lot of her comments. Not exactly a match made in heaven.>I literally do not care about your Krack schizophrenia.You're the only one talking about krack
>>586914575Well the "now i know who you are" is not present in Japanese.
>>586914914You do? God I am so glad someone else remembered. It was literally him. The same guy ITT right now. If someone manages to find the milestone in the other harder to navigate archive you'll see the exact same arguments with the exact same typing style spitefully ruining everyone else's fun because Rouge lost to Cream by like a single vote.
>>586914769>>586914821>>586914685>everyone i hate is one guyBeing retarded about Amy and Rouge's dynamics doesn't automatically equal "this gets in the way of Shadouge!!"Plenty of shipfags here are unbearable but its really funny how Shadougefagging is an easy target. Keep pretending you "really know the characters" though. Look at little Krack Jr. Gonna cry?
>>586914829>Based on your assumptions. Please just shut up alreadyBattle and Heroes were made concurrently. Shadow was not gonna be back in either initially. So much so that Shadow is written like he doesn't have amnesia in Battle from his fall in SA2.Battle is clearly reflective of what they were likely thinking of doing with Amy and Rouge dynamic wise before Shadow got brought back. The reason me pointing this out bothers you is because it ruind yout ship narrrative by highlighting how Rouge was designed with Knuckles in mind, not Shadow. Since Shadow was going to stay dead.It's juvenile.
Hating a ship because you don't like one person is pathetic. Shadougefags are generally some of the better behaved ones with one big exception. I'd say sonurge or shadamyfags are the worst
Sonic isn't juvenile.
>>586915046It's the *beep beep* poster, isn't it? Same schizo.Guess he got lazy and changed it to "Douge" instead.
>>586915115>Battle and Heroes were made concurrently. Yes...>Battle is clearly reflective of what they were likely thinking of doing with Amy and Rouge dynamic wise before Shadow got brought back. Dude, the conversation to put Rouge with Team Rose got as far as bringing fucking Fang back. You're acting like some grand effort or arc was planned when nothing of the sort was ever spoken of. Again, you're treating your assumption as fact without knowing the facts, which is the same reason you kept fucking up the details of Free Riders. It is really funny how Battle can "reflect what they were thinking" while you dismiss that Battle also knew what the finalized Heroes script would be.>The reason me pointing this out bothers you is because Because you don't know the facts. I don't have to pretend that Rouge doesn't parallel Knuckles. I don't have to say "Amy and Rouge wouldn't have a good rivalry", they would. Battle, and NOTHING else, shows us that potential, but for some reason, maybe you letting Shadouge spammers live rent free?, facts frustrate you.
>>586915183He is. Like, literally. He is a teenager.>>586915179I don't like it in general. I dont despise it but I find it boring. Im speaking more from the standpoint of being a fan of Rouge and finding her being stuck to Shadow annoying in general.I like her flirty love-hate dynamic with Knuckles and want to see more of her frenemies thing with Amy.I dont owe it to anyone to like a ship and if the only relevant Shadougefag in the thread is as bad as described, I dont see why shitting on them is some kind of sin.>shadamyfagsLegit less horrendous than them. Thry are more bratty than toxic.
>>586915215Yeah, it's the *BEEP* *BEEP* guy, I'm 90% sure. I found it.https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/385575354The really aggressive posts like this one are his, as well as most of the spam trying to start a discussion about Rouge.https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/385575354/#385580881
so anyways im beating my meat to amy right now
>"aggressive posts"like everyone here doesn't post like they're on their period...
>>586915667Its NNN...
>>586915614>Dude, the conversation to put Rouge with Team Rose got as far as bringing fucking Fang back.Youre coping again by conflating two things. Fang and the gang got cut because of time and scope constraints.If Shadow did not come back and stayed dead as he was originally supposed to, that version of Team Rose WOULD BE THE ONE WE GOT. Period. Its not the same. Stop pretending they are.>Team Rose got as far as bringing fucking Fang back. You're acting like some grand effort or arc was planned when nothing of the sort was ever spoken of. When did i say anything of the sort? I legit just said they were gonna have a rivalrly dynamic and because Shadow got brought back, that got derailed. Who said anything about some complex arc?
>>586914631Don't use terms you don't know the meaning of.
>>586915637Honestly, all this is just making me realise that, on and off or otherwise, I've been here way too long.I still remember the game tourneys and when Krack got into a fangirl argument over who Shadow would prefer. I think she said she had a shrine.Im going to bed....
>>586915617>I like her flirty love-hate dynamic with Knuckles and want to see more of her frenemies thing with Amy.She only had a "love-hate" dynamic with knuckles in sonic x, it's never actually existed in canon. And the reason she doesn't have a frenemies dynamic with Amy is because they AREN'T FRIENDS. They barely know each other! Rouge has, as of her entire existence in the franchise, fixated on Shadow and Omega. They're her friends, they're her pals. They got put in the fridge for awhile, and instead of wanting to explore that team dark dynamic some more you want to rip them apart so she can have fucking tea party or some shit with amy and go back to lazy Tom n Jerry shenanigans with Knuckles. They've had over 20 years to do these things with Rouge, and it wouldn't make a ton of sense to suddenly pivot rather than play to her character's strengths and dive deeper into her dynamic with Shadow and Omega (the latter we barely every get to see). Team Dark, their motivations, dynamics and missions are far more interesting than vaguely surface level kiddy shit. If you ask me, it'd be better if they had Team Dark as a separate, more mature subfranchise that could be edgier and grittier. THAT would be really playing Rouge's strengths and allow her character to shine.
>>586916239Fuck off bulmafag
The toxic shadougefag tell is when he says knuxouge only existed in x. See above.
>>586916304
>>586916368It did only exist in X thougbeit. At least like, 90% of it.
>>586916239shadow and rouge and omega aren't friends tho archiefag.
>telling the truth is...le bad!
>>586916239>She only had a "love-hate" dynamic with knuckles in sonic x,I'd call it a forced meme but no one even takes it seriously.>And the reason she doesn't have a frenemies dynamic with Amy is because they AREN'T FRIENDS. They are cool with eachother and work together despite having beef. Games like ShtH have them be just fine while others they butt heads. She was invited to the Party in Generations. IDW has them do the same thing.You legit just wanna isolate Rouge for the sake of your autismo ship and its freaking lame.
>>586916418Nah
>>586915819>Youre coping again by conflating two things. No, you're the one doing that by thinking an offhand idea about Team Rose made it really really far and was cut for Shadow because>stayed dead as he was originally supposed toAs it has been repeated as nauseam, Shadow staying dead was always in flux and never had a definitive answer—they wanted to give him his own game as soon as they created him.>When did i say anything of the sort? I legit just said they were gonna have a rivalrly dynamicWhich is an assumption. I don't know if you actually played Heroes, but Sonic and Knuckles don't even have their rivalry in it. Knuckles has one line about telling Sonic to admit he needed them and Sonic doesn't even rebuke this. So if we're really going with your made-up idea that they'd directly parallel Team Sonic in Team Rose, Amy and Rouge wouldn't even bicker in their fucking playthrough.
>>586916368Not his only one, but its the most obvious one.His other one is when he says Fly in The Freedom is about Shadouge.
>>586916624As a Shadougefag how the fuck is this the case lmao
>>586916239>>586916418
>>586916657Posting anything but a post-SA2 game...
>>586916552>offhand idea about Team Rose>offhandIt was literally going to make it to release if not for Shadow coming back.Calling it offhand is deluluHere is your last (You)
>>586916689
>>586916551I love how each and every time you try to "counter" this argument, you show off the same 25 year old debut game.
>>586916636He has yet to even attempt to explain it.
>>586916728>literally going to make it to release>it's not like they developed a whole game after discarding the ideaSure thing man. Yeah you can go ahead and stop replying now
>>586916657Wtf is this proving lol?
I ship my ship because I think they’re cute, and that’s all I need.
>>586916552>As it has been repeated as nauseam, Shadow staying dead was always in flux and never had a definitive answer—they wanted to give him his own game as soon as they created him.Off hand bullshit
>>586916748>"DUDE LOOK... SONIC TEASES THEM SOMETIMES!!!">including Dream Team where that doesn't even happenOk
>>586916748Why the fuck did you include a picture of Sonic playing matchmaker with another set of characters entirely? This shit is getting sad.
>>586916907You're right anon. Shadow getting his own game never materialized meanwhile Amy and Rouge's rivalry totally materialized!
>>586916864>it's not what happened so nyehhYes, that's how these things work. You a deterministic shitlord or somrthing?
>>586916905I mean sure that's better than being wrong but spamming ship pics is bad no matter what it is
>>586917003>You're right anon. Shadow getting his own game never materializedSomething happening doesnt change the fact that at the time Shadow was made, they decided he was to not comeback and all the stuff you listed was offhand bullshit stated when he was made. They concluded definitely that he was to stay dead and this is the hard statement they make again and again even to this day on the matter.The decision to bring him back was a hard pivot.
>resorting to comics now
>>586917018"Going to make it into release" makes it sounds like they swapped Rouge's model for Big at the last second like the game was fully developed. That isn't close to what happened. It was an idea phase dropped as fast as it was brought up. You are retarded, stop replying
Duckdow
>>586917105>no no, MY bios are the good and correct ones, but YOUR bios that counter mine aren'tThis'll go great next to all those Knuxouge game evidence pics... oh wait
>>586917190Where's the game where Shadow says he likes Rouge?
>>586916539The fact that you have that image saved just makes it obvious you're a faggot momthrower. Cry some more about your glorified crackship isn't dead and is actually super relevant retard. I bet you really ate your heart out with that IDW-marvel crossover. You know, with knuckles and rouge really mantle their batcat dynamic by having rouge as catwoman and knuckles as superman. Gee, I wonder who batman was. Could they make it anymore obvious which ship they prefer at this point?
>>586917260CnC!
>>586917140>at the time Shadow was made, they decided he was to not comeback>They concluded definitely that he was to stay dead and this is the hard statement they make again and again even to this day on the matter.When? Can you provide a shred of evidence that at any point in the period of SA2 development starting to the game releasing that everyone was on the same page about Shadow being one-and-done?>The decision to bring him back was a hard pivot.Team members being on separate pages about his death status isn't a "hard pivot"
>>586917178Why do ducklings love Shadow? Is he their new mom?
>>586917229I have never once claimed Shadow likes Rouge.
>>586916748Post the one with the LEGO BIOS next, that'll show everyone! They'll see, they'll all see! Rouge LOVES Knuckles! Take that Mom!
>>586915637I only come here to post Douge, Vectorman and Cigs.
>>586917372>>586917239Lmfao
>>586917148>"Going to make it into release" makes it sounds like they swapped Rouge's model for Big at the last second like the game was fully developedNo, it makes it sound like the only reason it didnt was because of a hard pivot that went against the actual plan they clearly had set out, and the dact it happened cannot be treated as something equivalent to stuff getting dropped on the cutting room floor or just organic changes and reorganization.They straight up had to invent an entire new character in Omega to accommodate Shadow's return, on top of takong Rouge out of Team Rose so Team Dark could have a Fly-type. Clearly me pointing this out bothers you because it makes your ship and TeamDarkfaggotry sound illegitimate. Clear as day. Omega is one of my fave characters so Im happy it happened. Im not gonna pretend what happened isnt what happened regardless.
>>586917372Uh oh melty
>>586917609Dream Team is a Knuckles x Ariem game. They literally put Rouge in the cuck chair while Knuckles connects to Ariem as a guardian. Why would this be Knuxouge evidence?
>>586917190
>>586917701Sonicpict with knuckles and rouge: 1Sonicpict with shadow and rouge: 0Sonicpict with shadow and maria: 5
>>586917836Saved
>Walking in on Shadow plowing Rouge
>>586917567>hard pivot that went against the actual plan they clearly had set out(no agreed plan was actually set)>the dact it happened cannot be treated as something equivalent to stuff getting dropped on the cutting room floor or just organic changes and reorganization.Except it can be, because again the idea didn't get beyond talking. No animations or script or anything substantial was made.>They straight up had to invent an entire new character in Omega to accommodate Shadow's returnOh the horror... and they had to take out Big from his team of Chaos and Gamma too!! Oh wait, that team didn't get anywhere... hmm>Omega is one of my fave characters so Im happy it happened.Yeah I totally believe that after you talk about "teamdarkfaggotry"
>>586917680>Sonic making fun of Knuckles means Rivals 2 was Knuxouge!Why are you using evidence from the game that ends with Rouge duping Knuckles for the Master Emerald?
>>586917796Shadouge ans Shadria arent rival ships
>>586918039Heh, Because! WE'RE Sonic Heroes!
>>586918108Because shadria is already part of the character
Shadow walking in on Knuckles fucking Rouge (or Rouge fucking Knuckles more like) because he needs something in a drawer in the roomShadow doing a vague little lip quirk of disgust and then continuing to look through the drawer as if it isn't happening Shadow getting what he came into the room for and walking out calmly while both Knuckles and Rouge scream at him for interrupting
>>586917001Presumably it's an image made for another context repurposed for this conversation.
>>586918168If you think Shadow is a necrophile then sure.
Realistically team rose with rouge on it wouldn't work. Rouge is Team Dark's leader for a reason. Putting her on team rose just reduces her to a support role like knuckles
Maria draining my balls
>>586917847>Knuckles fave food is Fruit, especially grapes.>Rouge is based on a Fruit Bat Pottery
>>586918283Knuckles waking up from his dream
>>586918168Yeah it's ingrained
>>586918456Sweetie this is in the X universe so Knuxouge is cute n canon
>>586918451Rouge is not based on a fruit bat. Large ears indicate echolocation knuxougeschizo
>>586901997I want a new game.>Go play old games.I already always do that.>Play Crossworlds.Ew no.
>>586918439Gun solider #42...
>>586918496Even rouge admits defeat to stacyria in dark beginnings
>>586918520Oh ok I accept that actually
>>586917896>Yeah I totally believe that after you talk about "teamdarkfaggotry"I like Omega for Omega. Fuck you
>>586918496>>586918579
>>586918496And Maria will just let her go, after all what belongs to her is more important than Shadow's feelings. Perfectly IC.
I see momthrowers are racing to prove they can be more annoying than the ebul shadougefags in record time
I just think Shadow walking in on people fucking and not caring would be funny
>>586918579As a Shadouge this moment bittesweet, with Rouge once again showing he understanding of Shadow that goes beyond anyone else's but also getting oof'd by Maria.
>>586918642Omega was created for Team Dark. All of his character depth that isn't "destroy eggman's robots" is from that relationship. This Machine has been repurposed to HIS theme.If all you like is "kill eggman robots" and "dibs"shit from Ian Flynn then maybe you don't really like Omega
>>586918690>"hmpff... you call that sparring?"
>>586918661>>586918757I agree
Maria and Rouge should've had a convo in White Space
>>586918039>Why are you using evidence from the game that ends with Rouge duping Knuckles for the Master Emerald?Because Rouge does it to get his attention as shown in Heroes and Colors DS. Where she is paired with Knuckles, not Shadow.
>>586918661Shadow's a whore.
>>586918924Ah yes! The Jewel thief with the JEWEL FETISH is actually using the giant, invaluable, irreplaceable jewel to get attention from it's retarded security guard! Who, despite constantly insulting and belittling, is actually quite smitten with him! That makes perfect sense!
>>586918924>Rouge does it to get his attentionIs this on Ao3 or...?
>>586918527Why do you believe those are mutually exclusive? The white pelt and heart motif are tells Honduran white bat is mostly likely.
>>586918924That's headcanon
>>586918757See now this is the correct view of it. Not replacing Maria but also understanding it.
>>586918924>Colors DSNot at all the same scenario because there's no Master Emerald in play there. In Rivals 2 she LEAVES Knuckles hanging while she runs off with his gem.Please do not tell me you believe her pursuit of the ME has just "become a way for her to play and toy with him"
>>586918771>Omega was created for Team Dark.And Rouge was created for Knuckles as a rival and love interest. Thanks for playing.
>>586919265Yeah man you really proved after arguing with me for a whole thread about how you don't understand Free Riders or the development of Heroes, that Knuxouge was the grand vision all along. I thought I told you to not reply to me anymore
just saying that the most knowledgeable sonic anons itt go for knuckles and rouge over shadouge like sparky
>>586919058Rouge is the one that does most of the insulting though. She is unironically tsundere as established in SA2.>>586919197>didnt play the game.>>586919235>no Master Emerald in play there.That's a nice cope, but its brought up to tease him when they first meet as she pretends to not know why he is at the amusement park.The fact it "isn't in play" shows Rouge just wanted him to come to the park to hang out.
>>586919605truke
>>586919579This appeal to authority flops when you remember that not every knowledgable anon has to be a recognizable namefag
>>586919363>knuxouge out of nowhere.Never beating the allegations.
>>586919579Real rougebros go for shadouge. Real knucklesfags go for sonknux
>>586919605>The fact it "isn't in play" shows Rouge just wanted him to come to the park to hang out.That's fine by me. If you want to claim Colors DS as a Knuxouge game you can have that. What you can't do is pretend Rivals 2 was doing this when she made off with the Master Emerald. Rivals 2 Rouge uses her flirt to distract him and run off with it
Uhh Rougebros? Why did she trick Knuckles to come to the Interstellar Amusement Park in Colors but then try to force Shadow to come to Sonic's birthday in Gens? I'm starting to think she's trying to be greedy and have both of them
>>586919679>calls Rouge a Knuckles love interest>"out of nowhere"???
Nah, I think I'm gonna give up this line of work. Too much work, for too little pay. Anyway... I've got something better than jewels that I'm thinking about right now
>>586919712Heroes already established that that she does it to tease/fuck with him as well beause she enjoys the attention.https://youtu.be/pGotmVEGu7k?t=710Notice how this scene plays as a response to Knuckles commenting on how Sonic has his hands full since he has a gitl chasing him? Then it segways into Rouge teasing him about the Master Emerald deliberately to get him to chase her.The parallel is intentional.
>>586919773Shadow doesn't like Sonic's birthday
>>586919858Still masturbates with Shadow's lost ring btw
>>586919858Shadow and Knuckles both fought for things greater than themselves and that left a mark on Rouge>>586919942Whats that gotta do with Rouge
>>586919773>force Shadow to come to Sonic's birthday in GensIt's a social event. According to the mobile games. Thry tried inviting him, but he said no thanks. Rouge was probs asked to invite Shadow since no one could reach him.
>>586919950I kinda want art of this now. Like with her wearing it. I wonder where it is now.
>>586919579Sparky is an actual manchild and has little to no survivability skills. You're falseflagging hard.
>>586919813>state obvious objective fact>he speegs out immediatelyLmao
>>586919923And again the Master Emerald is nowhere in sight in Heroes. You can have that too. Rouge was teasing him.In Rivals 2 once again that doesn't happen. She takes it straight up. Unless you are going to tell me Knuxouge matters more to her than the Master Emerald and she's only stealing it to have her chase game with Knuckles
>>586919923>she does it to tease/fuck with himWhen? They barely interacted. She was too busy having a story of actual substance and depth with Shadow and developing her relationship with him the whole time.
Rouge is canonically interested in both Knuckles and Shadow.Rouge thinks Knuckles is handsome, but gullible and annoying.Rouge thinks Shadow is good-looking, but mentally ill and stubborn.Rouge cares for Shadow, but Shadow ignores her flirting. His heart is locked on Maria first. Rouge bothers Knuckles to fluster and piss him off, but he is loyal to the Master Emerald first.Rouge even tries to flirt with Sonic to get him off his game only to be turned down hard by him too.Rouge is a femcel. Rouge will never score. Rouge is hot but all the men prefer duty, loyalty, and freedom over her. Rouge drinks to forget.
>586920129No more (You)s for you retarr
>>586920063One of her drawers at home probably.
>>586920213These are all good but you should add Rouge is loyal to the Master Emerald above Knuckles too
>>586920213>Rouge cares for Shadow, but Shadow ignores her flirting. His heart is locked on Maria first.Can we kill this myth? It is never ever stated that Shadow isn't interested in women because he's devoted himself to Maria. It's never even implied. Hell it's more likely Gerald literally just didn't install a dick.
>>586920213Cute n canon!
>>586920143>And again the Master Emerald is nowhere in sight in HeroesShe literally brings it up verbatim and deliverately goads him into chasing her by bringing it up. >Unless you are going to tell me Knuxouge matters more to her than the Master Emerald and she's only stealing it to have her chase game with KnucklesI wouldn't say "only" but it very much ans very obviously a significant factor. That's just not deniable. She likes the game.>>586920148Oh no anon forgot how to click on links.>She was too busy having a story of actual substance and depth with Shadow and developing her relationship with him the whole time.You mean thinking he is a robot and not telling him about his past because he was useful to her ends of getting Eggman's treasure?
>>586920213Built for Human Men
>>586920342None of what he said is a myth. Are you trying to imply Shadow would be heterosexual for anyone else and just doesn't like Rouge?
>>586920342Shadow calls Maria pretty in JBHShadow imagines Maria in "adult shoes"Shadow blushes shyly at Maria's complimentsShadow envisions Maria with anime bishie sparkles
>>586920373o-okay...
>>586920384Eggman's treasure was Shadow you retard. There is no point in the story she "tactically" withholds his past from him
>>586920213>Rouge is a femcel.Low key you're kind of right....>>586920342Coping and seething.
>>586920384>significant factorWow so Knuxougefags really do make the Master Emerald job to their ship now. Incredible
anon ended the ship debate by pointing out rouge is an incel who will never get a man
>>586920384>You mean thinking he is a robot and not telling him about his past because he was useful to her ends of getting Eggman's treasure?If you're going to be intentionally disingenuous and imply Rouge wasn't just as torn up over the possibility as Shadow then you've already lost the "argument" anon. You're not REALLY going to try to pretend Rouge doesn't care about Shadow are you? ARE you?
Rouge says: Boys ain't shit. Diamonds and gems are a girl's best friend.
>>586920474don't caredidn't ask>>586920553>c-cope!lmao didn't even try to counter
>>586920670...says rouge, downing another glass of wine
femcel franchise
>>586920884Man i sure wish she was wearing less
>>586920515>Eggman's treasure was Shadow you retard.Now you're just playing dumb on purpose. There is no way this is larp. Rouge sure as shit wasn't satisfied with that. Eggman's secret treasure maybe, but not Rouge's. The whole reason she formed Team Sark was because she still wants his treasure and believes its still out there to be found >>586920567I'm not even a Knuxougefag. I'm just stating facts. Also wdym by the Master Emerald jobbing?>>586920608>dismissiveI just stated a fact. I didnt dismiss anything. Not like you avoiding clicking links.
>>586920608He's already pretending Rouge places Knuckles above her want of the Master Emerald. He might be hopeless
>>586920719>didn't even try to counterWhy would I counter a punt like that lmao? Rouge says it herself. Shadow literally forgot who Rouge was but never Maria.
>>586921040>replying to yourself via phone.Lol
>>586919858You should wear less!https://files.catbox.moe/n8jjci.jpg
>>586921003I'm not avoiding anything anon, but your link didn't show what you apparently think it did because Rouge threatening to go after the Master Emerald doesn't mean she wants to spend time with Knuckles. Also, I've played all the games already. That game is my childhood, so there's no point in linking it, I could quote the whole thing including the lyrics to every single song off the top of my head if you asked me to. But trying to act like Rouge's relationship with Shadow boiled down to manipulating him for her own means in Heroes is outright disingenuous, so think carefully before you speak again.
>>586921095Shadow forgot Maria too. All he could remember initially was the image of her getting gunned down, and that was AFTER Heroes' entire adventure played out
>>586921179>everyone arguing with me is the same guyIt always is, huh?
>>586921298He remembered her face, name, and voice.
>>586921095>Shadow literally forgot who Rouge was but never Maria.Cap. Play the games. Shadow did not know who Maria was in Heroes or most of Shth. You are a fake fan consooming comics and then acting like an authority when you don't know shit.
>>586921360Pants and screams are her voice?
>>586921418yes
small thing but I like how hot-blooded Rouge is in Heroes, she barely acts sultry at allI think it’s cute
>>586920884>>586920986Me too!https://files.catbox.moe/z38hiz.jpg
>>586921480i'd remember that too to be honest bitch got smoked
>>586921405>>586921418Read Jet Black Hedgehog.
>>586921543>immediately proves me right
>>586921228>I'm not avoiding anything anon, but your link didn't show what you apparently think it did because Rouge threatening to go after the Master Emerald doesn't mean she wants to spend time with KnucklesHoly cope. It wasn't a "threat". It was a tease. She walks up past him coyly talking about stealing someone else's treasure to get him to chase her.>doesnt know basic facts about his alleged childhood game.Given the TeamDarkfaggotry, its not even shocking really, but again, its clear you are playing dumb on purpose rather than genuinely this dense and ignorant.I guess since Heroes was your first game you didnt have the context from SA2 to get what their dynamic was. Smh.>But trying to act like Rouge's relationship with Shadow boiled down to manipulating him for her own means in Heroes is outright disingenuous,That's literally how it started. Team Dark starts out as all 3 just being interested in their own personal gain but bonding over the course of the adventure. By the time anything can happen with Rouge and Shadow, they see the Shadow android. Later she is sad at thr thought it isnt the real Shadow afterall and might just be a Robot. Omega comforts her.Why do you struggle to understand writing for children?
>>586921543Whyyy are you citing Jet Balck Hedgehog in a GAME discussion
>>586921640Not the guy you're arguing with.
>>586921653It's recent, official, and supervised heavily by the people who make the games.
>>586921298>>586921405>Shadow forgot Maria too.No he didn't... He remembered her name, face, and the emotions associated with her death.
Too many of you didn't bother reading Jet Black Hedgehog because it wasn't about your ship, and it shows.
>>586921704And yet not canon to the chronology of the series we are talking about. We are talking about the games. This us like bringing up Sonic X.
>>586921747>discussing the games>"BUT THE MANGA"Why?
>>586921748If you're going to argue about canon, then you need to be including how the owners of the character think of them.
>>586921748>X fag was never Randomfox. It was always Dougecel.What a twist
>>586921791Because it addresses the exact same thing you're arguing about. It literally retreads it. Shadow gets amnesia not once but twice, and Maria stays. Through every single memory manipulation, Maria's memory overcomes Gerald, overcomes amnesia, overcomes Black Doom.
>>586920487Rouge should keep wearing less!
>>586921793No, actually you don't. Everyone working for IDW wants to make Tangle and Whisper lesbian. That does not mean we have to say "well they are a lesbian couple", when discussing IDW because, they are NOT officially a lesbian couple in their canon story.We are discussing game canon. So just keep it to game canon. Bringing up the manga, >>586921870 all for the sake of dismissing a GAME like Sonic Heroes, is very bad faith
>>586921516THANKYOUFORTHEFOOD!!
Someone post the "You will never be Maria" pasta
>>586921929>That does not mean we have to say "well they are a lesbian couple",There is no reason not to other than to be obstinate amd contrarian really. But even then the comparison is bad because the reason they arent officially is because they weren't written in as such. That's different than how an existing established character is depicted.
>>586919858She was referring to shadow
>>586921642>She walks up past him coyly talking about stealing someone else's treasure to get him to chase her.So you still haven't answered my question, Ao3 or...?>basic factsWhat basic facts don't I know? You're very bad at arguing lol>Heroes was your first gameNo it wasn't? Damn you're REALLY bad at arguing.>Why do you struggle to understand writing for children?>Literally admits he was wrong by backtracking and saying personal gain was only how it started but they bonded over the course of the adventure.You're putting me to sleep.
>>586921662Literally doesn't matter, you just made him look like shit by proving you Shadriafags are fake fans consooming supplementary media all day and don't play the games.
>>586921929Sonic Team makes the games. I'm also not part of your Heroes argument, I just found you talking about Shadow remembering Maria. He always remembers her. But if you really need the games, here you go.
>>586922310lmao niggas will really pretend he didn't give a shit about her in this game
>>586915667Amy should be wearing less!
>>586921726Yeah but...he only had that memory, like something playing back in his mind again and again, he still doesn't know who this Maria chick is. Like he knows the name as if he saw a film with her name in it , that doesn't mean he KNOWS her. There is a family guy joke hidden in here somewhere...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6FA6mPHfSI
>>586921747>>586921870More like you ONLY read it because of muh shipping
>>586922532I read it because I like Shadow, which you don't I guess
>>586921642>Holy cope. It wasn't a "threat". It was a tease. She walks up past him coylyIf the writing is for children then there's no way you could expect them to get this. It was played straight
Sonic team sucks at making female characters who ultimately don't lead to nothing but ship arguments
>>586910063Rouge should wear less btw
>>586922819>sonic team sucks.
Shadow should take off his gloves and shoes so I can see his featureless blobs
>>586922819
why do we have people here who actually try arguing shadow doesn't care about maria
>>586923151they do it out of spite of a certain person
>>586923196for doing what? liking shadow?
Princess Blaze passed a new law in her kingdom. All hot guys belong to her
>>586923223autism begets autism. if you outsperg a sperg, the number of spergs does not decrease
>>586923151It's true. Every day someone on sthg accidentally proves they didn't play the games.
>>586923307What?
>>586923297Being spiteful towards someone for liking the canon SegaSonic game character is exactly what I'd expect from a Shadamyfag with Twitter filenames.
>>586923307i played crossworlds, the latest sonic game, where he mentions her.
>>586923334Sthg doesn't play Sonic games. That's why anons thought Shadow doesn't care about Maria.
>>586923386i have no idea what you're saying. I'll label you as a sperg and move away
>>586923151There isn't a soul who ever genuinely said that here, but I guess arguing against a strawman is easier than an actual person.
>>586923420Oh, sorry, I thought you meant "It's true Shadow doesn't care about Maria".
>>586923420I think anons thought Shadow doesn't care about Maria because the games said things like>from this moment on I am moving on and I'll never turn backand then never made any serious mention of Maria for a decade and a half
>>586923471The spicy Shadougefag does that constantly. He tries to insist Shadow doesn't give a shit about Maria anymore on a regular basis.
>>586923514That's because the games stopped featuring Shadow heavily. It was the shitty friends Pontaff Sonic Boom era where the "dark age" and humans were swept under the rug out of fear.
>>586923562Yes, I know, I'm just saying it's not unreasonable to think that. Even in the two games at the end of those two eras when they featured Shadow he still didn't mention Maria. If the intention was that Shadow was never forgetting Maria they did a bad job at communicating it until recently
>>586923420sthg does not read the comics neither. and perhaps doesnt watch the movies as well
>>586923671Shadow's internal Sonic '06 bio mentions Maria became his trauma. Rivals features Maria as a card.
>>586923562>>586923671They are much more open to acknowledging 00s now but we still need to get rid of westshit
>>586923767Right, it's not made particularly visible or evident
>>586923803>They are much more open to acknowledging 00s nowNot when it comes to gameplay unfortunately. They don't even try to reach the highs of SA2's gameplay, they stick with simplified boost gameplay.
>>586923524Not going to pretend I'm here enough to know whether that's true or not but I will say I find that hard to believe. Honestly it sounds more like he's Red X and you're Robin.
>>586923805I guess not. He does have that Lego Dimensions mission from 2016.
>>586923885I am waiting for frontiers 2 to judge that
Moving on from Maria doesn't mean he doesn't care about her. But Shadow is supposed to be living for himself, that much is for sure. Lately I don't know if that's the case.
>>586923990why can't westshit write normal non-meme non-reference dialogue?
>>586924000I assume Frontiers 2 will be its own thing rather than a return to Adventure gameplay. I like what Frontiers did, especially in the updates, but the way its level design and Spin Dash work has nothing in common with Adventure
>>586924027>I left that part of my history behind me. I live for myself. You should do the same.
bake the bread
>>586924027He is living for himself by keeping the promise. He wants to keep the promise. It means something to him on a personal level. He doesn't let anybody but himself decide his purpose, and he has decided his purpose is protecting the planet Maria loved, because she was such a good person that she looked at Shadow and saw a boy where everyone else saw a thing to be used.
Sonic battle is fun
>>586924086Right there's saying it, and then there's doing it.
>>586924227he is doing itwhy are you treating maria's wish and his wish as separate. when you love someone you care about what they care about. that is not a chain.
When is the next blade of courage issue?
>>586924158>He is living for himself by keeping the promise.That's not living for himself. That's being chained by an obligation you have to someone else. Even if it's a promise you WANT to keep, it's still living for another.
>>586924291>why are you treating maria's wish and his wish as separateBecause they are. If he wants to protect humanity, it's what he wants.If he has to protect humanity, it's what someone else wants.>when you love someone you care about what they care about. that is not a chain.It depends. Does he care about it only because she cared about it or because he personally, genuinely cares about it. The former is a chain. Not like that chain is necessarily a bad thing. But if he has obligations then he has obligations, end of story.
>>586924297In 9 days. Might take a couple more for a non MTL English translation to be posted
Most people in this general don't play Sonic games. It's easy to pick who's here if they do.
>>586922067This is a shipfag argument. "Well the creators support it so it's basically canon!"
>>586924312That's not being chained at all. You'll notice that the Japanese fans never give the take that you do. They understood what the ending to Shadow the Hedgehog meant, and they understood what Shadow meant by living for himself. He is protecting the planet together with Maria, that is why he is here. That's why he says her name when he dies as Super Shadow. Shadow and Maria are one, they have the same soul. You're trying to make a distinction that Shadow and Sonic Team never did.
>>586922310See how this isn't Heroes?
>>586923196>shadamytard
>>586923245But Marine claims she spotted Tails first fair and square
>>586924672Ok, post a list of who plays what.
>>586924708Why is it every time you discuss Shad05 you conveniently ignore the game's final cutscene that comes AFTER everything you're talking about?
>>586924874Because you're misinterpreting what that cutscene means entirely. The games' own writer disagrees with you. The very next games' bio mentions Maria. You are simply wrong, and do not get what Shadow meant by living for himself, or what he meant when he said he would part with the past.
>>586924708>what Shadow meant by living for himself>He is protecting the planet together with Maria,
>>586924995not a hard concept unless you're a literalist autist
>>586924672Easy?
>>586924969Sonic isn't interested in having a romantic relationship with Elise either
>>586924708jfc those lines are NOT translations of the japanese text at all lol
Haven’t played a Sonic game since Unleashed.
>>586924960>The games' own writer disagrees with you. Right, when you take quotes that come from an era where Movie synergy caused Maria and regressing Shadow to become the priority>The very next games' bio mentions Maria.Why do you bring this up as a gotcha? No one is denying Maria is formative to his past and backstory. She is important. That is not the same as what's being argued>You are simply wrong, and do not get what Shadow meant by living for himself, or what he meant when he said he would part with the past.This is really funny coming from you of all people because you used to agree with what I'm arguing. I remember the era where you realized Shadow moved on and you accepted it begrudginly before flipping a switch because the movies reopened the floodgates and now she gets mentioned everywhere from DC to the fucking Fortnite comic every time the planet is in question (which used to never happen from 2006-2023)
>>586925027What isn't hard to grasp? Living for yourself and doing something for someone else? Sounds super simple and it's totally not autistic to think you and a dead girl literally have the same soul so living for the other is actually living for yourself.
>>586924874Your argument seems to be that because Shadow chooses to involve Maria in his life that he isn't living for himself. Because Maria was another conscious being, that overrides his agency in that decision. Shadow lives for himself. Maria is not a cage. Shadow lives for himself. He chose to continue granting Maria's wish. You can argue that any personal goal affected by another person isn't living for yourself, but it is. The impulse to live like this is Shadow's alone. We all have our own creeds with different level of definition, this isn't a case like Spider-man the Punisher where they would quit if they didn't feel caged by what happened to them and preventing it again. I understand why it's confusing. It names another person with Shadow's motivation, it's easy to interpret this as Shadow living by the motivation of another. Most people intrinsically expect a contradiction here, if you're living for yourself you can't be living for another person, right? There isn't a contradiction here. Shadow lives for himself. He wants to grant Maria's wish.
>>586925242One interesting thing is post-reboot elise is seen paired with silver more than sonic, not saying it is romantic either i just find it a bit esoteric that this one is referenced more than sonic-elise one
>>586925492Elise is Blaze and Silver and Blaze like each other so Silver and Elise like each other
>>586925251Yes they're the official English. Here's the translated Japanese version.This is exactly why Westies got so confused. He learns the truth, he is a light of hope for humanity, and proceeds to defeat Black Doom with the light weapon. There's nothing left to search for, because he found it, and Maria told it to him
>>586924969>looks like this>in the frame>someone who looks literally nothing like the character in question
>>586925569Was his truth. Then he keeps his promise and stops Black Doom and can put Maria, Gerald, and Black Doom behind him
>>586925607No lmfao
>>586925474this, you get it
>>586925607sorry the games' writer disagrees with you dougebrolatest game dialogue btw
>>586925474See? Easy to tell who's here.
>>586925474This is not how it's handled at all. Maria is just being treated the same as she was in SA2, as his guiding star. As soon as he fails here, it's "what would Maria want", there's no conviction about him knowing what to do to keep his promise, he has to lament and meander wondering what it is she would want so he can go back to fulfilling it.This is living for Maria. This sentiment is the same in the Fortnite comic.
>>586925752>wearing character regression with pride
>>586925775>IDWHoly fuck you cannot actually be using IDW LMAO
>>586925815Shitposters and the uninformed need not reply
>>586925814Not a character regression. You are simply retarded.
>>586925752Funny that you had to use the Japanese dialogue which 1) isn't the original and 2) removes the actual namedrop the English one has. Even the Japanese know namedropping her so often is too heavy handed
>>586925775I get that your argument is that the DC comic was published with Sega guidelines but I personally wouldn't use it as an example. Anyway, what would you consider Shadow living for himself?
*taps the sign*
>>586925474I live for myself too. I want to serve my Jewish overlords.
>>586925853Yes, Maria is his guiding star. The choice to follow that guiding star is purely his own. Maria is Shadow's compass, not a chain, not a cage. Shadow is freed to follow his own heart - not a cure, not a weapon, not Black Dooms' servant, not Eggman's lackey. His own person who is here to be the light of hope Gerald and Maria knew he was, the light of hope he was named after. Because Shadows show the way to the light.
>>586925954he only thinks shadow fucking rouge is living for himself because he can't understand why shadow would value the concept of someone's soul over a hot body
>>586925909>isn't the originalIt is. Even if the English localizer wrote some dialogue "first" (which isn't even confirmed in this case), it is the game director's responsibility to align it to his original vision. As this is a Japanese game by a Japanese director, the Japanese dialogue is always the original vision. An early English script is merely an incomplete prototype.
Shadow would wipe humanity out if it weren't for Maria's wish
>>586925909No americans just lack subtlety (ian)
>>586926038Yes. Objectively yes. Shadow is not a generic hero. Shadow does not have the concept of morality that society does. Maria as his guiding light is what allows him to overcoming the burning hatred he had for humans who took everything away from him. Gerald literally went insane with that hatred.
>>586925569Funny enough that previous document says he's actually living for Gerald's wish.
>>586926021Is that who that is? Then nevermind.
>>586925954>I personally wouldn't use it as an example. I wouldn't bring up Jet Black Hedgehog in game discussion but somehow this has happened>Anyway, what would you consider Shadow living for himself?any example I give here is going to be maliciously twisted into "well actually this was about Maria's wish in the end anyway"My example of choice though is Sonic Channel, where Shadow neither internally or externally needs to mention Maria to do his thing, even as the ARK itself looms directly over him looking down at him.
>>586926147That means he isn't living for himself.
>>586926150For both of their wishes. Shadow carries the dream of the dead through life, and in that way he really was successful. The goal of Project Shadow was humanity's ultimate dream, immortality. And you know what? They succeeded, because Shadow made Gerald and Maria immortal by carrying their soul. This is why "Terios" means "Making dreams come true" in Greek.
I feel like you can disingenously argue that anything isn't "living for yourself". If Shadow moves on and falls for someone else, he is not living for himself, right? It seems like a semantic issue. You wouldn't argue that you're actually living for your biological imperatives and not "yourself", right? He's living for himself. Shadow the Hedgehog is used as the counterpoint but this is the decision Shadow made after finally getting more context.
>>586926228I can tell you have never experienced any true feeling of pure love for somebody else. I'm genuinely sorry.
Bros it's simple either he put the past behind him or he didn't.
>>586925973>The choice to follow that guiding star is purely his own. Maria is Shadow's compassThen it's not his. It's just a fallback to her and everything she was about anyway.>not a cure, not a weapon, not Black Dooms' servant, not Eggman's lackey, His own person who is here to be the light of hope Gerald and Maria knew he wasAgain, for some reason Gerald and Maria impositions on him are allowed to prevail and don't get to be part of the moving on or living solely for himself
>>586926307Yeah, you're actually right. I didn't think about it that way.How the fuck is Shadow attaching himself to someone else any different or freer?
>why does he let the urge to blink control him instead of living for himself
>>586926202>any example I give here is going to be maliciously twisted into "well actually this was about Maria's wish in the end anyway"If there is an ideal version of Shadow for you then I have no interest whatsoever in reading it in bad faith for the sake of the argument, genuinely. I am actually asking because I want the perspective.
>my dad raised me to care about plumbing>he wants me to be a plumber>so now im gonna be a plumber. but its cuz i want to, not for anyone else???
>>586926361Then you agree that if Shadow latches on to someone else he's also not living for himself, right? You're implying the only way Shadow could ever live for himself is by being alone, right? >N-no, I meant he needs to care about someone elseHe already cares for Maria tho.
>>586926309You can save the concern trolling. I know you're gushing over your favorite ship and all and I don't mean to crash your party, but I really find fulfilling a promise of the dead for life is putting the past behind you. I don't even mind if it isn't, I'm just pointing out that it isn't.
>>586926447Shadow cares about Maria because he cares about Maria, he wasn't raised into caring it was an instant mutual connection.
>>586926451You are so deep in the shipfaggotry hole that you cannot comprehend that someone can want Moveondow without shipping. Yes, I agree Shadow should not latch on to anyone else for his goals to remain living for himself.
>>586926252Bro is living for everyone but himself.
>>586926519You want him to care about nothing and nobody? So what's his motivation then? Why does he do anything?
>>586926497Plumbing isnt Maria. Plumbing is the wish for humanity to have a chance and have hope. The dad is Maria.
>>586925553Blaze is reincarnated elise theory
>>586926560Do you accuse Sonic for caring about nothing and nobody when he lives for himself? Why do you frame every question so disingenuously? You aren't interested in honest discussion
>>586926451NTA but living for yourself isn't possible if you're carrying out someone else's wish. If your wishes align then that's different, but we already established that Shadow would never protect humanity if it weren't for Maria wanting him to. Shadow being with someone else isn't an obligation unless...I mean unless it is. Unless he literally promises someone he would do it, and that's the only reason he's doing it. It's not rocket science, if it's his desire then it's his, if it's on behalf of someone else then it is not.
>>586926541Dumbass nigger thinks their wishes are separate things.
That's Mario's thing, not Maria's
>>586926252If i am not wrong sonic team actually considers is to mean ''reflection of''
>>586926601Sonic likes adventure because he likes adventure. That's living for himself. Shadow likes Maria because he likes Maria. That's living for himself.
How did you guys feel about the mission presentation in Shadow's game? Did it mean something for you that most of the missions are Shadow helping the other characters with what they're doing?
>>586925553I guess that makes sense, but consider the following Silver is Sonic and Silver and Blaze like each other so Sonic and Blaze like each other.
>>586926663Misinformation. It got corrected on the Wiki for a reason.
>>586926632It literally says "Maria's wish" right there.
half of you don't care about shadow. you just want a generic bad boy self insert and you're angry he shares maria's wish because you don't share her wish. you don't want humanity to be happy, or for shadow to be their guiding light. you want him to do things for you, you want him to do what you want and fuck who you want and control him in the same way that all of his villains tried to control him.
>>586926679Shadow protects humans because he likes humans. That's living for himself.Shadow protects humans because Maria told him to. That's not living for himself.
>>586926715What did hoshino himself say about it? i want to see sonic team's own words, even if they got the wrong meaning the intention matters more.
new bread?
Shadow not good.
>>586926852Shadow protects humans because he likes Maria, a human.
>>586926794You're up to your knees in shipfaggotry bitch, you literally don't give a fuck about Shadow AT ALL, just Shadria because you're a deranged Maria yume.
>>586926684Yeah he was helping them with their wishes. Then in the final boss he has the last wish fulfilled and can move o--oop, no, sorry, I guess he can't
>>586926852You simply believe that, rhetorically, "living for yourself" can't be built on living in honor of another person.
>>586926712I said this a few days ago and nobody liked it. I made a whole thing involving Shadow too. Blaze is also Sonic so Silver likes Sonic too
>>586926878I can bake, if no one wants to
>>586926684I think it's a cool way to include the characters if they're not playable
>>586926907He tried to destroy humanity even though he liked Maria, a human. He only chose not to when he remembered that's not what she said. Play the games, nonfan.
>>586926794This is really ironic. You're the one basically treating Maria as the villain you claim us to be.
>>586926785>>586926852>>586926929Hey. Read this very carefully. It's from Sonic Battle.Shadow's heart is Maria's heart. Why. Would Maria's wish. And Shadow's wish. Be different. If they have the same soul.
>>586927015retard
>>586927017This was hold more water if it was Shadow's own wish to start doing so, not "it was Maria's wish and I choose to do it"
>>586926964OK anon, what would you say is NOT living for yourself?
>>586926684No, Shadow doesn’t actually care about any of the cast members in a meaningful so I don’t see their appearance as anything but a forced inclusion.
>>586926978This doesn't work, amy doesn't fawn over silver.I guess they reference it more because in a way elise remembered silver giving her the emerald when sonic came.
>>586927058Good answer nephew
>>586927008That doesn't contradict what I said at all.
>>586927112Amy doesnt fawn over Silver YET. He'll get a moment soon like Shadow and Blaze did
>>586927017For the love of God, you're acting like Shadow is supposed to be Maria's reincarnation or something. This is not literal, it means that Shadow has compassion, like Maria. They are not one and the same. All of Maria's feelings and desires are not Shadow's. By your logic they have the same favorite food and fashion sense. Christ.
>>586927081I think what matters most here is what Shadow believes. When Shadow is defeated by Devil Doom, he says Maria's name. This is only possible in the final battle and only after he declared his resolve. I took that to mean that leaving his past behind him didn't mean dropping Maria from his motivations just like it didn't mean not returning back to the planet when the fight was over.
>>586926981>940 posts and counting>page 9No. Let's go for the record before we bake bread!
>>586927163She doesn't really crush on them either.
>>586926981So I can pretend to want to do it myself so you won't do it? Sounds good. Please wait, I might make the thread eventually
>>586927187Until he threw the photo away and said goodbye forever to that part of his life... oh wait that's not convenient
>>586927276He doesn't need to carry around a photo of Maria and Gerald to honor Maria's wish.
>>586927130You said he helps humans because he likes Maria. But that doesn't make sense, because he already liked Maria before and tried to do the opposite of helping them. The only reason he changed his mind is because of Maria's wish becoming clear to him. He is not doing it just because he likes Maria. He is doing it because she wanted him to. There's a lot of things he could do because he likes Maria. Like for example, holding memorials for her? He could take over the world and force everyone to observe International Maria Day every year. Or he could just kill em all, out of revenge for Maria. But he doesn't. He helps them. And this is NOT his own decision. It's hers. He does it because he remembered that that is what she wanted.
>>586927331Now whos missing out on obvious symbolism?
>>586927187>This is only possible in the final battle and only after he declared his resolve. I took that to mean that leaving his past behind him didn't mean dropping Maria from his motivations just like it didn't mean not returning back to the planet when the fight was over.But he says Goodbye Forever AFTER he defeats Devil Doom. The act of defeating Devil Doom WAS putting the past behind him. After that, it was already done. Until it was done, he still had to confront and deal with that past.
>>586927337It's his decision to listen to her because he likes her. He protects humanity because he likes her.
>>586927070 Gerald tampered with Shadow's memories. In SA2, Gerald "implanted his own will for revenge." He created Shadow by implanting a heart that seeks happiness and hope. When Gerald went insane, he implanted a heart driven by revenge. Hearing Maria's words repeated by Amy triggered Gerald's original activation keyword. Don't you see, anon? Gerald made someone out of love, then tried to twist that into hate. But his initial desire for happiness ultimately overcame his later drive for revenge. Gerald beat his future evil self with his past good self through Shadow.
>>586926684I liked shooting stuff
>>586927409
>>586927349kek
>>586927409Again, Shadow does not do this because he wants to. His desire for humanity to have hope is not because that's his internal true feeling. His internal true feeling is rage and contempt for them. Without Maria's desire, Shadow would not bring hope. And if he's doing it because of her desire, then, well you know where this goes
>>586927409man that's kino
>>586927202>>586927261I have it ready
>>586927406At this point you're jumping through hoops. You said he did it because he likes her. Now it's he did it because he listens to her because he likes her. It's as if you can't be living for someone else if you like them. That's what it sounds like you're saying.
Shadow draining your balls
So there's at least three people here who believe Shadow's game was him deciding to live by Maria's wish and four who believe it was him moving on from her.
>>586927691Wait until page 11
>>586927691Don't do it, anon! Don't pull the trigger yet! Wait until the last minute! We need to hit the record, goddammit!!
migrate when ready>>586927778>>586927778>>586927778
>>586927751Why are you trying to count members like rampant samefagging doesnt occur
>>586927826been ready, fuck this thread
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Barnes becoming Ian Flynn 9/11 for idwfags has been hilarious. I've said for years idwfags would become just as schizophrenic and disrespectful as they claimed anyone who criticized Ian Flynn was if they were put into the same position. And they have 0 self awareness. Now they are the 20-30 year old fans complaining about not getting the Sonic they want, there is a real and genuine divide over beginning IDW and post riders arc IDW.
>>586927658>His internal true feeling is rage and contempt for them.That's Gerald's too mate. When Shadow loses his memory, he becomes a blank slate. He says he doesn't care what happens to the humans, whether that be good or bad. Memories of revenge turn him into a villain who despises humanity. Memories of goodness turn him into a hero who protects humanity.
(We failed... It's over...)
>>586928006lmmfao what is the context of this image
>>586864931>They're gonna censor TifaFirst off: no one gives a fucking shit. I knew a mile away they were gonna cover up Rei/Asuka in a CERO A SEGA product because fuck CERO and fuck SEGA sanitary shenanigans that isn't some niche mobile game featuring scantly clad kids.Second, they emphasize this is based on the Poomake versions, which already received that treatment by even forcing Nomura's James Turner to follow through with this.Finally, Tifa hypebeasts are frivolous pieces of shits who aren't going buy the shitty product they're promoted to. The FFVII is for turbo normalfaggots who think the Poomake series is a masterpiece.
