>>1828572stop playing wows subhuman
>>1828572i miss RTS CVs
How's this game in 2025 for a new player?
>>1831629It was never that easy. Most amount of starting bonus shit, billion of good TT lines. Only issues are looking for any help on here (most are shit or don´t play) and if you play solo you won´t learn shit. Stay away from any streamers and toobers cause all they do is farm and explain nothing. If you are on EU get in touch with either 2DQT or HOTEL (first one for div and the later for solo). If you are NA then GG, your server is dying and you either start on EU or just delete the game again.
Should I?
>>1835819i mean its a fun bb and as strong as the pasta one desu (you have to go full 2nd tho)
>>1832556>>1836251Any tier 6 ships you (or anyone) would recommend?
>>1836260No. You are better off using your bday coupon, get a good dockyard ship or wait for black friday/xmas promos.
https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/10th-anniversary-grand-voyagethis is pretty fucking nice
>>1838818Ye but you know the wows haters on here will even talk this badly. I take it, thanks for the free steel ship WG, thats the minimum you can do after the last 2 years gacha and fomo hell.
>>1838830>free steel shipAny recommendation?
>>1838865Yes but what is the point of posting that here when I have to expect shitter replies that do not even play the game in years? Go on the official, ask the same question and filter out anyone whos below 56% WR and played recently.
What's the catch with the 32k dubs?I dont trust WG to keep it as simple as Play 1 coop match daily to get all the rewards.
>>1838904The catch is that the game is fucking dying and they're desperate.
>>1838908>he took the flamuu pillThat is what I was told when I started playing the game, seems like shitters like you stopped cause they could not improve playing the game always have to find excuses Zzz...reminder the game will only die the day BBs are useless, so never :)
Noice.
>free San Diego>free GQ Johnny>free 22k dubloons (or steel) that you can use in Laffey dockyardIs Wargaming going insane? What's the catch?
Seems like this anniversary is the best place to start for a new player, no?
>>1841017Yes pretty much, but issue is you are still locked out of snowflakes and dockyard missions cause well you need a good amount of diffrent ship classes and if possible as many +t8 ships as possible to have anything from it. So either start out now or don´t complain later when you are cockblocked out of certain missions.
>trade-in>can trade my basically worthless dogshit Odin for a Dalian, Carnot, Marco Polo or Karl JohanAre any of these actually good?
>>1841405Karl and Dalian are doubloons only ships so pick what you like.
>>1841428Yeah but are they actually GOOD lmaoI miss back when WG didn't shit all over the people making them money and I could just look at a LWM review for a good overview of a premium ship Sometimes she said some absolutely retarded shit but usually they were a good source of information to draw an opinion from
>>1841450>LWM Sorry but all the reviews had been complete shill shit. You either discussed new ship releases with someone you play with that beta tested them for you or you watched how the biggest random apes perform in them.
World of Warplanes
>>1841886Old screenshot when HIlde released (nobody plays it anymore) and the fact that there isn´t Utrecht/Prince also is a redflag. Also why are you such a faggot to censor names of random battles?
>>1841886It's a shame WoWP was actually kind of fun during the alpha and then they completely changed the core gameplay to ensure it wouldn't be fun
So with the changes that will change overall CV and sub dmg, all the apes that claimed they would come back whenever this happends aren´t saying shit now huh? Looks like it was just an excuse been bad at the game and not farming t5 to keep their stats up :)>waiting that someone who has not even read the dev blog say it won´t matter>waiting that someone shows up on here who has not played in years and thinks that subs are still the most op class somehow>waiting that someone will show up and claim the game is dyingkek
so they scrapped the whole retarded 2-mode cv rework?
>>1844216>can´t read, called itWhat is so hard about "slow introduction of cv mechanics"? We will get it to a later date, first is overall dmg, repair time, spotting and CV 2nd guns.
Tiger '59 but good?
>>1844122I'm not reading it, is it actually good?Did Fartuu make a video on it?
>try asia server a bit to see if it's as bad as people say>got into a double subs double cvs game in my second gameYes, it's really that bad.
>>1845848Never let them forget that in the first week after the game came out of beta, the asia server had more friendly fire damage than damage against enemies
>BA event is pure gambling with real moneyWhat did I expect?
>>1848715>wah wah wah i want everything for freeWhy do you complain when we had gambling for years now. Don´t buy it´s that simple. Bet you want all the ships for free in your poor-fag mind. The free steel ship we get this year doesn´t matter anymore, same as the fact that you can instead taking steel take the 110 dollars worth of doubs.
>>1848741Did I said I want "everything" for free?>Bet you want all the ships for free in your poor-fag mind.You sure projecting a lot.Anyway, if you are that guy who said he hate these WoWS threads so much you can just stop browsing them and go circle jerk on your clan discord with your friends, you know?
>>1848745Nah you giving poor-fag vibes off. >it´s bad to have friends to play withHoly shit what a loser you must be to think that´s some sort of insult, touch some grass neet boy.
>>1848745>he plays the game aloneOh nonononono
Still projecting I see. Last reply to you and your friend.
>>1848769>They got friends! They ganging up on me on my beloved thread!I feel sorry for you.
>BA ships are NEW ships This is going too fucking far, I don't want to have to buy ANIME SHIT just to get the newest PAY TO WIN ships
>open match>enemy has a 3DD div>I am playing anything other than a DD>instant loss before the match is even done loading because of DD diffmental
>>1850110Who asked? Get fucked solo cuck, enjoy losing :)
:D
>>1850665I got this with the Scarlet ThunderI never really play it but it still felt pretty good to first bundle a T9 premium
Is Soyuz hands down the worst ship in the entire game? After trying to grind through it in both randoms and operations, I am convinced that playing this ship is grounds for a banYou should legitimately be able to report people who play this ship for intentionally griefing you and they should get banned for itThe ship has fucking atrocious armor, burns like it's coated in kerosene, has a citadel the size of the moon as if the survivability already isn't bad, it has one of the worst turning radii in the entire game and is slow as fuck on top of that, and then you finally get to the guns which simply don't work. Even at 10km, the dispersion is INSANELY bad. I cannot think of a single battleship in the game with worse dispersion than Soyuz. Even at 8-10km the guns are literally unusable, you're lucky to land 5 shells in a 9 shell salvoThe average salvo is 2 overpens, 1 pen, and maybe one ricochet to really rub it in. And that's at 8km of range. And then your AP does nothing. It has anemic fucking damage on 9 shotgun barrels and on top of all that it has a horrendous 33s base reload.This ship is a floating EXP pinata meant to be farmed by the enemy team and is completely fucking defenseless. You can give this PoS flat broadside at 10km and it won't punish you.
>>1854336I am ~85% done getting all the t10 tech tree ships. For the sake of my sanity, I stopped caring about ships being "good" or "bad", I just play whatever and I perform better than shitters anyway.
>>1828660I already stopped twice. Now what?
>>1838921>the game will only die the day BBs are uselessBBs will always be useful as DD fodder, though.
>>1854382>I just play whateverProblem is the Soyuz literally isn't playableImagine every time you fire your guns, it's shotgun dispersion and you land 3 shellsOn a battleship with a 33s reloadIf you don't see the issue here, there's not much I can say
>>1854423>every time>you land 3 shotsGuaranteed 3 shots landing is pretty good if you have shit dispersion luck, like me.
>>1854439At 8km with a 9 gun BB for like 6000 damage? Every 33 seconds?
>>1854508Yes.This one is not actually dispersion related, but the first time I got into a Yamato I ended up against some cruiser on the western part of Mountain Range. I fired all guns at point blank range, guess how much damage? Zero, 1 missed and 8 bounced. Overmatch my fucking ass.
>>1855670cont.But either way, 6k damage per shot is about how much I used to get in every US BB at any tier.
I only play DDs cause they're tiny and cute and I can nyoom in and torp someone and vanish. :3
>>1855730I hated playing N. Cal and Iowa, and sort of think Montana is okay, but my expected damage per volley on a well-aimed Iowa salvo against a good target is 10-12k vs the 6k you get from a similar salvo in the SoyuzPart of me wants to grind the USN Standard line with the Vermont but I got N. Cal via the Ovechkin event many years ago so I never grinded out the USN BB line and I kinda don't want to go through it now.Should've played the game during the early access and got the first ship in the line I guess.
San Diego is FUNAlso:>Update 14.7 is paying tribute to the 80 years since the end of World War II. Prepare to step into history with immersive Operations and exclusive rewards, including a way to gain the historic VIII SAN DIEGO for free.>If you already own VIII SAN DIEGO, you will receive 11,000 Doubloons as compensation.
>>1856614WHAT is the GIMMICK behind SAN DIEGO?Smoke? Smoke+Radar? Crack cocaine?
>>1856669SAP instead of HE (same damage as HE though, just more pen)HealMain Battery Reload Booster
>>1856685>>1856669Oh and same shell ballistic as Austin and Sherman so easier to shoot at range compare to Atlanta.
>>1856614that's a lot of free doubloons what the fuck
Lucky~How should I build the captain?
>>1858421I mean, do I need IFHE?
this means I'll get forrest sherman on the first pull right?
>>1859428yeah, gg luckshitteralso explode
Any good tier 8 tech tree BBs for Ranked?
>>1859781Maybe Ipiranga, although I haven't played itPossibly VladivostokThe thing is though that the S-tier premium BBs are fucking insanely broken, you're not hacking it in most/all of the T8 tech tree BBs against shit like Massa or Lenin
i havent played this game in quite a while, is any of my ships rare and should i get back into it
>>1861207i guess i should also ask, is any of these still worth playing it should also be noted ive not played this game since submarines were added and not actively played since ~2018
Should I buy a tier 6 at 50% discount or two French squadron premium containers?
>>1861554don't buy anything
>>1861215Akizuki is still pretty good, although there's plenty of creep at T8Yamato is ever perennialKutuzov is still goodScharn is alright (but mostly in ranked), can't give you an opinion on Mainz/Tirp/LittorioWould skip all the T5 stuffMyoko and Atago have fallen off hardN. Cal is still whatever I personally hate it but Montana is not badPetro is still alrightT-61 is still good as it ever was
Do you think they will merge servers or allow cross play between servers?
What line should I grind first?
>>1862703Sorry this shit is fucking fake. NA had last time less players then ASIA (NA players either merged to ASIA or EU). Also these numbers mean nothing when boomers will for ever keep the game running. Every match you see at least half the team of new players so anyone claiming the game is dying is a moron.>>1861215Which server? If you are NA RIP you.
>>1862822Not him but I just started on asia because time zone and ping. Am I fug?
>>1862849Ye you are. Go EU or don´t bother.
>>1862849Ping doesn´t matter in wows, you could play with 200+ even. Also boomers and NA mergers fill tiers 8-10 perma.
>>1862898Can't, I have to change my sleep schedule now.
>>1862918Like you understand that the servers run 24h right? You always find matches.
>>1862929With less than 2000 players? >>1862703
Why is Asia bad again? The player numbers are similar to EU.
>>1863031the meta is worse
Which French line would you recommend?
>>1863561kleber and and henricassard is fine too
Any opinion on Gneisenau VS Heinrich?
>>1863871>kleber No sorry, even Delny is better and if you want to play cuck battles with leg mod just play Cassard>HenryThere are better kiters these days, not the worst pick but there is spotter plane Zao build or just Ven filling that role better>CassardGood pick but if you are not a blue-ni-cum player you gona have no idea how to play her >not mentioned MarseilleOk?
>>1864367>>not mentioned MarseilleI haven't gotten to her yet, I'm at t8 now and I'm having a pretty miserable experience
>>1864367Marseille is good?
>>1864429It can be fun if you dont care about winning since your just a farmer/flanker.
the French Squadron Premium container has such a good drop rate for premium ships (10%). I bought one for 1250 doubloons and got this.
>>186452010% is not good lmaoeven if you buy 10 of them (basically a t8 premium price) you've got only 65% chance of getting A shipit's a scam
https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/current-status-of-aircraft-carriers-changes-and-closed-test-of-tactical-consumableslol, lmao even.
>>1867442Spotting mechanics were retarded for a long while now. They both don't make sense, and are unfun to use and unfun to play against. Meanwhile, WG is just digging themselves deeper.
>>1867887What I want to know is, why do they love CVs so much?
>>1867953This kind of question is not one anyone can ever answer.Why do I like garlic so much? FUCK, I don't know, but I do like it.
>>1835819Yes, join the happy few.
Is there any reason to get this if I already have W. Virginia '44?
14.7 Balance Changeshttps://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/public-test-147-balance-changes
>>1870626>X Harugumo>Main Battery shell ballistics changed. Their trajectories will now be flatter.is this a nerf?>Rudder shift time reduced: 5.4 to 4.8s nice
>>1869916I got it and it's dogshit beyond belief, regret it
>>1870689>is this a nerfIt dependsIf you're an island parked shitter there may be a few spots you can't lob over as safely since you need to park further backBut it's a buff against enemy DDs since flatter shell arcs = easier to hit the guy before he rudder shifts a few degrees and your shells float lazily down to where he used to beIt's mostly a buff really
>>1862822>>1862849>>1862898why does everyone say NA is the dead server again? its only like an hour past peak on EU and still the NA server accounts for the majority logged in worldwide at the present time
>>1874196>an hour past peak on EU>3 AM
>>1874727that's what the chart says
guides for this game are centuries old in youtube, are they still useful? i don't want to be a shitter in my team and die like a bitch in the first minute in random battles. Im currently playing german cruisers
>>1879029There's been cancer powercreep but it's not like the ships themselves have changed all that muchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cMlWCl6epE
>>1879763Well shit
>>1874727ok now answer his question
>>1886551If 2AM is "just past peak", then let's compare now, it's 2AM on the west coast after all.EU: 10965 playersNA: 2188 playersI used the same comparison methodology as >>1874196 so the comparison is just as valid, and proves perfectly why NA is a dead server.
>>1887051But I already spent $600 on NA...
>mfw forgot to log back in and buy the battlepass because I got for enough for the acostawoops. is 3 days enough to get enough for the virginia?
>>1891450D'Aosta* I always call it the acosta for some reason, kek
>>1864520I really want that ship
>>1893225>play torpboat>get hit by HE salvo and lose half or more of your torp tubes permanently like a minute into the match and end up worthless the rest of the match>alternatively, breaks your tubes and resets your two minute reloadThis is a HUGE change, will make a TON of ships that rely on torps as a gimmick a lot more viable since they can't be permanently disabled
>>1893225Druidchads RISE
>>1893225>can't bully JB by destroying both turrets anymore Shame
>>1893627> can't be permanently disabledover my 1000h of playing this game it happened to me only like twice (on dds)
>>1895613It's happened to me several times on DDs and surprisingly often on CLs and BBs too. It's not every match but when it does happen it is supremely annoying and it very much is an issue that, being fixed, will vastly improve the quality of the game
Almost got enough steel, any ships you'd recommend?
How does Missouri hold up in the current day? I know they nerfed the credit earnings so only OG Missouri owners get the crazy credits, but part of me wants to own Missouri just because it's such a legendary ship both in-game and IRL and they've made it available for flat-out DoubloonsBut I'd have to either buy dubs with real money or sacrifice some of my event steel to get itIs it still a crazy good Radar BB or has it kinda fallen out of meta?
>>1893225DM buff because why not
Arctic Convoy is unplayable with random "team" Require too much teamwork.
>>1898997FinallyA challange
>>1898997It really is awful>push in>reach the convoy point>die to getting focused by like 8 bots>look at the minimap>entire team is in spawn still>one of the convoy ships has barely moved from the initial spawn, the other is stationary as the retards can't even do the simple task of staying in a circleIt's GrimAnd then you have all the people sandbagging in mediocre T6 cruisers (not to mention the rental La Gal)
>>1842861I was really hoping WoWP would get it's shit together because I really wanted fly all sorts of fucked up prototype and concept planes you know WG would have added to the game without a second thought.
do you have to play the operation to get san diego? too lazy too look it up
>>1900574Yes.
Shall I be boring and get the Bourgogne with my steel, or spicy and get the Incomparable?
>>1903355I'm personally wondering if it'd be worth getting the Barbiano No citadel CL with absolutely cancer RoF and SAP might be really funny even if it's not on the meta level as Bourgogne or the other steel BBsmaybe it's just better to get Austin, but I wonder
>>1829788I don't, and I was a CV main back then, nothing that powerful should ever be in the game again
>>1904015>>1829788The problem with CVs has never been the control/view type, it was the fucked scaling. In RTS times, tier IV-V CVs were not amazing, but did enough shit to matter in a game. TX CVs were overpowered.In 3rd person mode they essentially doubled down on that scaling and T4 CVs are fucking useless and can be completely ignored while TX are even more overpowered.
>>1905204>fucked scalingIt was the skill gap, actuallyIn the current 3rd person system, there's usually not much CV on CV violenceSometimes your CV drops a fighter for you and you don't get struck, but under the RTS system the more skilled CV would strafe and delete entire squadrons and deplane the other CV and then you had a worthless floating turd on your team that was powerless to do anything while the other CV picked you to pieces with cross drops Yes, we still have bad scaling where a CV can torture you to death, and we still have CVs that are basically useless compared to the guy who knows how to max damage you every drop, but RTS was literally "this guy is out of planes and unable to influence the match in any way like 3 minutes into the match"
>>1905204>tier IV-V CVs were not amazing, but did enough shit to matter in a gameZuiho had 3 torp bomber squadrons at tier 5 lol, enough alpha damage to dev strike nearly 2 (two) tier 5 battleships with each strike, it might have been the single most overpowered ship to ever grace this game.>In 3rd person mode they essentially doubled down on that scaling and T4 CVs are fucking useless and can be completely ignored while TX are even more overpowered.I don't agree that T10 CVs are more powerful than they used to be. That aside what makes CVs broken isn't their raw power, it's that they get to choose where and when to apply damage. Even if carriers were abysmal shit at dealing damage, as long as they get to choose where and when to apply it at will, they will always be the class with the most game impact.
>>1903355Mecklenburg
Any recommended ships for Tokyo Express? I will probably use the Massachusetts first.
Scharnhorst or Scharnhorst '43?
>>1907306Massachusetts seems like a good idea.
>>1907306Most of the US cruisers are good. Cleveland is good, even the rental if you're not a retard. Helena is usable for grinding if you're not at Cleveland in the tech tree.Atlanta/Flint are not bad with all the DDs and low tier cruisers, can use San Diego too if you have it.Baltimore, and any of the derivatives, are excellent. I've been using Rochester although imo the smoke isn't worth it, I just don't want to spend the credits rebuying Balti and wasting capt exp to put a captain on it lol. The DPM on Rochester/Baltimore might seem mediocre on paper but the SHS absolutely rape the AI cruisers if you're good at the game, I'm talking 3x citadel salvos and they just vanish. Congress is probably fine but I would stick to Baltimore/Rochester BB wise - really only Massa. You can probably use Constellation and maybe Alabama as well, but the slow standard BBs are not great since you want to be flexible. If you have Massa, stick to it imo.DD-wise, Kidd and the new Osborne if you paid out for it are both good options But honestly, if you're not a totally garbage player, you can get away with some suboptimal picks in this operation since the DPS/survivability checks are really generous. The hard part of this operation is getting pubbie teams to do objectives properly. On that note, CVs (Hornet in particular) are actually not that bad of an option - you can strike the stationary DD targets for free once they're spotted by radar or whatever, you have plenty of stuff with no AA whatsoever to strike, and by sitting relatively far back you avoid getting illuminated by flares which makes it harder for your team to fail that objective.
Who dis?
>>1907306I been playing hornet, it's pretty good at killing musashi
I really like this tokyo express operation. I hope the third one will be better.
>NA has small population>Asia has lot of bots and bad meta, plus nobody know EnglishEU seems like the best server, but is there any downside?
>>1917010You're playing with Europeansalso pingmight as well just play Mir Korabley at that point
>think WG is being surprisingly generous>they drop a Salvage for Victory thing for La Pampa>oh cool this is like WoT's assembly shop I can spend all my fxp and get a T10 for free?>you only get 25% of the progress from resources and need to spend like 26,000 dubs if my math is correctwtf is this shit manWhy is WoWS monetization so bad?
>>1918063>Mir KorableySo that's what it's called.
>>1918066I don't like it either, but I'm glad that they at least didn't give it out for free because it would fucking suck if it was as commonly played as shima is
>>1919073On one hand I do see why you wouldn't want a million in MM but it should really be obtainable for FXP/CXP/Coal/Credits etc. Like add another 25% progress for coal, add 50% progress for fxp, WoT's FXP is arguably a lot harder to earn and more valuable than WoWS FXP but their assembly shop vehicles are obtainable 100% free for FXP(/credits/their slightly less valuable version of Steel and a few other in-game resources on top of gold supplementing progress)
PRESS 9 YOU FUCKING IMBECILESHoly shit these "people" are worse than bot.
>>1920327I'm saving it for when I need it :)
Good job, WG.
Hello, 4channersI need your opinion on one of the Wargaming franchises.World of Ships, are you playing this game?1. What can I expect from this game?2. I'm familiar with World of Tanks, I just started playing World of Warships.3. How do you like the user interface and functionality? Is the game convenient? My first impression is: is the text content a little overloaded?!4. I've been playing DOTA2 intermittently for about 15 years. If any of you have played it, could you give me advice on the similarities between the gameplay and the community as a whole.Feel free to add or ask anything, both on my topic and beyond!
>>1922669I wanted to make a thread, but I found one in here already
>>1922682i opened two of these from the event pass and got the Barfleur
Serious question: How do I win?
>>1923318Serious answer: git gud.
>>19226691. suffering 2. ok3. I like the interface, it's clean
>If you already have VIII San Diego, you will receive 11,000 Doubloons as compensation.and you get 32k for just playing until december?so that's 43k free dubs?nice
this operation is the best out of the three
>>1927831It honestly probably is aside from the rare team too stupid to press 9But I think the first operation will be a lot better when it rotates into an open schedule, if that open roster lets you use T9s (the article's wording doesn't seem to specify tier restrictions outside of 8-9)
>>1928983I get the 9 star more often than the destroy the third island guns in 2.5 minutes star. It is sometimes impossible to complete this task because either your teammates are dumb as fuck or the guns spawn on the other side of the map behind hills.
Ok I got enough steel, Mecklenburg or Incomparable?
>>1929526Meck because Incomparable is the worst BB at tier 10, even Yamato/GK are better
>>1929731OK I got it anon, it seems like quite a relaxing ship only really bad thing about it is the gun angles. Now just to wait for asymmetric battles to come back.
>>1929731Yamato is bad now? Damn, I remember when it was the best.
>they upped the tier of the ships in Arctic ConvoyThis really sucksIt was the least fun/most difficult op and I was hoping they'd leave it as it was so it would be "easy" with T9 ships but nah now you have to deal with FdG and a bunch of high tier cruisers shitting on you
I'm sure this game has engagment based gun dispersion but I can't prove it.
>>1934626I think it's linked to the amount of money spent. Many games use that as a hidden variable.
fast sov soyuz
Should I buy Atago?
I think Yamato is good.
>>1937590>Atago>in 2026Buy - fuck, there really aren't any other T8 Japanese cruisers? I mean there's Tone but I'm not going to tell you to buy hybrid trashI'd tell you to save for Azuma, but that's an entirely different playstyle. Huh...
I'm rich!
>>1937590>>1937755Yeah. I also,want Cossack. Which one should I buy?
>>1937973I've got over 22k since the event's beginning 20k more to gocan't wait to spend it all on a fucking uhhhanime girl ship
>>1938067Do you play DDs at all? Cossack was absolutely fucking disgusting at launch. I don't know how it stacks up in the current meta, it's been quite some time since I've touched it, but it was an absolute monster>insane conceal, basically best in tier>HUGE alpha damage and solid DPM allowing you to be an ambush predator>short burst smokes so you can instantly disengage against ships with better DPM/go dark after you assassinate your target, can farm from them too once DDs are dead>hydro to avoid getting counter torped or even to rush smokes against less experienced DD players >all of this for $1 back when it was launchedActually insane ship, it was legit broken and I have like a 60%+ WR with Unicum PR in it. You also have pretty good torps too, but you only have one rack of them so you're not a real hybrid. But they do work when you need them. But ultimately Cossack is a very demanding DD that requires a solid knowledge of positioning, when to be aggressive, when to go defensive, how to duel other DDs, etc. The skill floor isn't too bad (since it has good conceal and short burst smokes) but the skill ceiling is huge.Anyways even with the newer DDs in the game I'd probably recommend Cossack > AtagoThe only real weakness Cossack has is that the shell arcs aren't great so if you engage a Soviet/French DD and they open the gap you're struggling but you can just short burst and disengage, you have so many tools.
>>1938161>Do you play DDs at all?A bit. Also, I have Kidd, should I just stick with that?
>>1938165Nah I think Cossack is unique enough and the British DD line is still solid enough from what I can tell so it's worthwhile to have a British DD prem (if you just want a premium then there are plenty of T8 cruisers way better than Atago) Kidd is sort of hit and run where you try to outlast using your heal and good DPM, whereas Cossack is ambushing people with your insane conceal, hitting them hard and fast, and pressing home the advantage (or disengaging with your smoke and then ambushing them again later) Kidd doesn't have a hydro, so you have to watch out for torps in close range knife fights and play more passively. You also have the very good but very long cooldown USN smoke, so you can't use it on demand to break vision. I would say there are SOME similarities between Kidd and Cossack, but Cossack is a much more aggressive ship that isn't as forgiving (lack of a heal) but also much more dangerous.
>>1938167Alright, thank you. I'll get Cossack and just wait for Takao later.
>having over 20k doubs for the first time>the urge to splurge risingThis is why I am poor. How do I stop this, or at least spend them wisely?
>>1938273there isn't even anything worth buying in the shop atm
>>1835819you shiould
Any good tier 8 premium cruiser for doubloons?
I've been playing Hampshire in ops and this AP is amazing. Are there any other brit cruisers with these guns/shells that ideally have a heal or smoke? Looking around I heard people saying Gibraltar and Plymouth have them but I don't know if they do. Surrey has the same guns but I'm not sure if the shells are as good.
>>1934626It definitely does. First few days back playing ops with Yukon and I was murdering cruisers with her. Now she misses 90% of shots or gets overpens.
>patch day>anniversary rewards don't work>play 2 battles, nothing happens, no option to claimwargaming really gets nothing right, it's fucking incredible
>>1945444leddit says they fucked up and will send them out on the 5th or 6th. Sasuga wargoyming.
Monaghan any good? Got it from the anniversary container.Also, what did you get?
>>1946356Is that the US DD with missing turrets and weird torps? I think it's kinda whatever. I got Ise. Which I think got nerfed so it's trash compared to when it came out?
Pan Asian Tiger '59 Will it be any good?https://www.wows-gamer-blog.com/2025/07/narai-tier-viii-pan-asian-thailand-light-cruiser.html
>>1938167>if you just want a premium then there are plenty of T8 cruisers way better than AtagoSuch as?
>50% discount couponFug, I just bought Cossack with 25% coupon.
>>1947578well buy another thing!
>>1947605Any recommendations? I have 8500 gold.
>>1947612How long does the coupon last? If it lasts til black friday massachusetts is good.
Any tier 8 tech tree cruiser worth keeping?
>>1947834I like 155 Mogami. Cleveland is still good. I liked Chapayev years ago, dunno if she still holds up.
Isn't asymmetric battles supposed to be back? I don't see it.
>>19495842 more weeks
>>1949584Play blast from the past until then. I took out warspite and shit on everyone with her, just like the good old days. The only ship who chunked me back? Enemy warspite!
>>1949945I took out warspite too but only because the only other ships I could were kongo reskins
Is this any good? Got it from a tier 8 container.
>>1950955She appears to be a tier 8 Alaska minus 2 guns. But she still has radar, repair party and a big HP pool. I can't tell what her bow is but I assume it's not 27mm. Still, looks solid, though her damage output is probably middling.
Is she any good?
Did you get anything good? I'm thinking about trying it once to test my luck.
Does anyone want to jerk off together in a div or something? I got Almirante Grau as my T8 container ship, you could smoke me and I could farm and it'd be like a movie
>>1951231This is the most obvious scam everThem main prize is literally a tech tree ship
>>1951256The main prize is Sibir, really, but you do have a pointWho the fuck actually wants these heavily battle damaged ships, and why the fuck did WG decide to make them clone ships instead of an expensive permacamo?Like it could be a 6000-7000 doubloon permacamo for Yamato but no... we need to make a premium Yamato (when Musashi and ARP Yamato already exist)I guess it has been a while since you could buy a PREMIUM YAMATO but like who the fuck cares, the tech tree one is fine and if you slap a permanent bonus package you have close enough to a premium ship while being able to run Leg Mod. When I get my GQ Johnny the first thing I'm going to drop is strip the battle damaged camo, I would rather they just give me Johnston which is the exact same ship, I wonder if I file a support ticket if they'd be willing to exchange it? I know WoT's team has occasionally done that for clone tanks with locked camo styles.
>>1951322>When I get my GQ Johnny the first thing I'm going to drop is strip the battle damaged camo, I would rather they just give me Johnston which is the exact same shipSame.
Will I make it in time?Also, fuck Arctic Convoy. Is San Diego even worth torturing myself?
>>1951358San Diego is okay, I don't find her that amazing. If you really dislike the game mode I guess give up? It'll probably take you at least 60 games to clear out at this point, since most of the non-retards are done and stopped playing it.
>>1951402Maybe I'll just get Austin instead.
>>1951358>still on Operation IHonestly I probably wouldn't even bother at this point, people were playing REALLY fucking bad when I was a bit late finishing up chapter IVIt's probably pure cock and ball torture right now for a ship that's okay at mostLike grinding San Diego was worth it, but only if you did it over the full event to maintain your sanity and also play with the actually half decent grinders who were hammering out their missions as they unlocked
>>1951358Go and find yourself a few people to play with, you will find most luck on the discord server, the random players are fucking terrible now. It used to be bad but now it's much much worse.
>deutschland and scheer don't have healWhy?
>>1953272They're German. German ships are not allowed to be good.Reminder that Graf Spee was pulled from sale because it had a repair party; and it wasn't even good.Spee was just spammed in Clan Battles, and because German ships aren't allowed to be meta, they removed it.
What are some fun or interesting coal ships that's not tier 9 or 10?
>>1953288That was hilarious. I will never understand the awe some people have for Spee, she has always been mediocre.
>>1953458I just like how her looks. 2x3 is aesthetic.I planned to get the new tier 8 German CA, don't care about the tier 9 and 10
>check /vg/ ingame channel>cuck who killed not once, twice but thrice his clan has the audacity to start drama in 2025What did he mean by this?
>>1951250Which server?
>>1954628Shit is it alive lmao I might drop in for some divs
>>1954671Whatever you do, do not join HOTEL. I have not seen anyone in div on the server in like 5 years. Join 2DQT or KUMA
>>1954676>HOTELKEK those motherfuckers weren't even good back when the game was aliveI miss my KUMA niggas though
Very funny, WG
>>1954746who the fuck is the target audience of that joke? do millennials even play this game?
>>195524899% of tryhard clans have legit zoomers in their ranks
>>1955362I was 15 in closed beta
>>1955362>>1955743Zoomers are almost 30 yo now, huh.
Holy... Why is there so many BBs on Asia?
>>1956248It's keeps going up!
Should I buy Kii?
Ye I think I pass on playing CB with him. Good luck!
>>1956286She's not bad but not as good as she once was. Solid for a tier 8 BB desu.
>>1956293hahahah
>>1956352>nobody showed up to play CB so he merc´d for some normie clan. Most boomer clans have better recent stats then what he has...
>blast from the past: 2017>osborne raping me with sapok
>>1956293well he was the guy who refused to CB with me when we at 2DQT reached out to him to make a Team 2-3 years ago - offer still stands
Yamato or Bungo?
>>1957507For me it's Yamato
>>1957507Bungo is one of the best current BBs ingame, up their with CC but somehow there are the usual bad players around here that don´t know what is good or bad :)Fun ships won´t win you games anon, don´t complain about the "teams" when you pick garbo ships kek
>>1957508why? there are better overmatch ships and everyone knows its weakspots
>>1957608I just like it, same way I like Azuma or Kagero- they're just fun, I don't care about the meta
>>1957611Let me guess you don´t care about winning games (have shit stats)?
Optio worth it?
>>1957621Kill yourself
>>1957621I choose to throw just to spite people like (you)
>>1957853Have fun losing :)
>>1957860You are the only constant :)
lmao, 160k spot without firing a single shot.
How's Regolo?
>>1957993unique
>>1957993I never see them so it's probably shit.
Thoughts on the newish USN DD line? I finally realized it's out of early access, I hate the T7 so far but I assume it gets better with Osborne and then the T9/T10 are cracked
ARP Atago when?
>>1956315What about Iwami?
>>1958783I don't have her but people seem to like her. Good rudder, above average armor, goodish guns, great secondaries, some torpedoes. She's kinda slow I guess?
Is this Eyes0re guy on EU a schizo?
>>1958933Who?
Give it to me straight, is Atago still worth it in 2025 If I don't already have her? I was thinking about buying ARP Takao if they do another collab.
>>1959034Yeah. The armor alone makes her good.
>>1959055you are trolling right? jap cruisers have no armor
>>1959067atago is different thoughtech tree ijn cruisers get raped by anything but with Atago you can kite and tank a lot more damage; of course the armor is not AMAZING but it's good nonetheless
>>1959034Do you like tier 8 cruisers with 8 inch armament? Cause she's good at that. Great conceal, heal, good torps, punchy but long reload guns.
>>1957558>Fun ships won´t win you gamesSan Martin is excellent
>>1957993probably best dd to exterminate other dds but you need skill to set up such a fight by yourself without getting outspotted.They giga buffed both smoke and speed boost cooldowns so you can play as a generic mid range gunboat or disengage from a failed ambush setup very easily. Other mid-long range gunboats are still better in that role so you should still look for dd engagements, but if you're not skilled enough to create them, the buffs give you the chance to constantly farm some damage without thinking
I get my 10 year patch soon. Wooo. Still suck at the game. Still hold W in KMS BBs.
>>1959034>ARPGod, how many years has it been? I wouldn't hold out hope they do another collab with a dead franchise, but I don't think anything is actually stopping them from rerunning them? I wish they'd rerun the T5 ARP BBs just for the sake of having them.
Finally.
How generous!
>>1960253You can buy anything so it's actually not that bad, I fucked up and let mine expire but I wanted to grab a bunch of dubs at 50% off
What tier 9 coal ship should I get if I want a money maker?
>>1960448Azuma.
>>1960448Kearsarge.
>>1960477>>1960595Who should I believe?
>>1960601Both. If you enjoy carrying more than farming damage go for Kearsarge. If you want to just chill and shoot go for Azuma. Both are excellent money printers.
>>1960601Pick whichever you want to train captains for.
How's Hindenburg nowadays?
Dang, I can't decide between Kearsarge and Azuma.Any third option?
>>1961522Honestly rather than buying a ship just for the credit multiplier, what playstyle do you actually enjoy? Coal ships should be enjoyable, and I would rather grind credits in a ship I actually have fun playing (I usually spam Asashio because I'm an asshole) than the most "optimal" one. I could be wrong on this but I also assume you'll make more dosh for playing well in a ship with a mediocre multiplier than poorly in a ship with a good oneAs a DD main I'd probably recommend Groningen (or Jager if you're a dickhead like me)Looking at Flamuu's opinion he's rated the Agir/Pommern/Marco Polo as all solid B-tier ships (which was where I was hovering too but I haven't played any of them) so those are options too if any of their playstyles look appealingThe hard-skips are Iwami, Carnot, Tulsa, Z-44Neustra is good but way too much coal, Halford is alright but it's a hybrid meme DD
>>1961522Iwami.
>>1959067Atago has the deck armor to bounce everything, even Satsuma shells. Zao dreams of being as tanky as a T8 premium.>but muh overmatchable nose and my squishy sidesDon't matter. What matters is that long range AP shells will bounce on your angled deck.Not getting raped by overmatch makes Atago the only IJN cruiser worth playing.
Is Alaska still good?
I want Kushiro but idk if it's going to be worth grinding 2000 more tokens worth of tech tree ships as well as the credits to buy them
>>1962083She's tier 10 ibuki with exhaust smoke. I don't think she's special or good desu.
>>1961836Yes
>>1962179I don't have Ibuki/Zao so it'd be a "novel" ship and it's really more just to have it, it's not like it'll be this "easy" to obtain again and it's not like any of the ships I buy back/research will go to waste what with snowflakes coming up
>>1962202I mean go for it I guess? Ibuki guns are just kinda floaty at 9 and you don't gain much at 10 beside the smoke.
>>1962083It's comfy, italian smoke plus all turrets being able to turn 360 means it can switch from pushing to kiting mid range position instantly in a safe way and without losing any dpm uptime, I played a few games and they were all high damage because of this.Turrets turn very slowly, but again 360 turning kinda solves that problem.Torps are F3 only but they got okay forward firing angles, the chance to make a play with them exists at least.Concealment is good, you can get into good enough positions to smoke and kite.
Regolo or Daring for first tier 10 DD?
>>1962963Daring, British line is strong and comfortable to play and generally forgiving of mistakes as long as you have positioning fundamentals whereas I haven't played Regolo but my impression of Italian DDs from Paolo is that they let players get away with poor positioning to a degree that means you might not learn the fundamentals required for other DDs
>>1962894She has high damage because she has very few battles and is only played by veterans. You do understand how averages and sample sizes work, right? Zao is a better kiting/farming ship and nobody thinks Zao is good. Stop posting, you know nothing about this game.
>>1963373>is only played by veteransWhy are there so many "fresh" account that have her? Oh right maybe don´t pick SCs over her.>Zao good kiterMaybe like 8 years ago you subhuman. Feel free to share your mighty profile so everyone can see your big brain knowledge about the game.
>>1963408>Why are there so many "fresh" account that have her?name 1 fresh account that has Kushiro
>>1963408fresh accounts cannot get kushiro you cretin. Go calculate how many ships you need for 10k tokens.>>1963408Zao got buffed heavily in 12.5 and has gotten buffed regularly over the game's existence. And I specficially said Zao is not considered good, but is better than Kushiro. Are you ESL?If you're asking for profiles, why not share yours first?
WoT has a stats index that has profit/min for tanks, but do we have any data on the most profitable prems (aside from old Missouri)I need to make a braindead amount of credits in the shortest amount of time possible
>>1964122tier 9 cruisers and BBs. You just want damage to cruisers and DDs for most monies.
>>1964122Alaska is in my opinion the most consistent tier 9 premium, it comes back every black friday and it's really hard to die having done nothing in Alaska. Kronshtadt if it ever comes back is good too, as well as Kearsarge. Azuma can probably get you more damage a game than Alaska, you will just lose more and it'll bore you to tears.
Pacific OP very hard with all tier 7 team.
Is there ANY ship that can start fires?>play Smolensk>get 0 fires>play Thunderer>get 0 fireslike seriously is this 15 fire mission just impossible or what do I need to play?
>>1965301I got 17 in Groningen but I was farming tier 7 BBs
Should I get Svea or Mek with my steel coupon lads?
>>1965335I just had to bitch in the thread, after I posted that I got 14 fires in a Thunderer + 1 flood on a submonkey so now I just need to get one bxp mission down and I'm back on track
>>1965474Sveat. battleship hater
>>1965645Sounds good, I do love murderfucking DDs.
>>1965474I'm thinking I'm going to wait until the Steel Will event, looking like Valparaiso since it's retardedly fucking broken to the point of printing wins for free and then maybe one of the new ships if they're any good.
>>1966026>ValparaisoI met one in enemy team once. He just bum rushed my flank and refused to die.
valparaiso is so crazy that I don't even want it, I'd feel disgusting playing it
>>1966026Yeah I'm saving for Valparaiso for sure, but I had a 90% coupon and that wont work on steel will I'm told.
New ship.
>>1966544Yeah, I had one in a match yesterday that pushed braindead into a flank and got a KrakenIf he were playing pretty much any other T9 BB we would've easily won that match but instead he hard carried a match he never should've won because the ship is that braindead>>1966915Not like it'll expire, save it and seeI only have the 50% beta tester coupon but I'm going to save it for steel will and if it doesn't work I'll grab Svea with it or something
>>1967089>20mm pen>no torps>no hydro>no armorabsolute mega useless
>>1967342You are retarded.It has HE, smoke, and airstrikes.It doesn't need more.Again, you are retarded.
>>1967374It can't pen any armor, retard. There are a dozen ships with similar RoF and fire chance that also get hydro. It will get raped by DDs. Stop fucking posting when you have zero understanding of the game.
Anyone get Laffey yet? Worth it?
>>1967693Did they add a new US DD line?What's their gimmick supposed to be?
>>1967693I'll get it in a few days, can't be arsed to yolo 50k in one dayWatch Flamuu/Potato Quality and form your own opinion I think>>1967701Laffey's gimmicks are as follows;Superheal (this is the big one, 30% superheal with 2 charges base)New USN smokes that let you choose your durationBurst fire mode (3 salvos > 18s reload)They also added the Burrows line which has the following gimmicks;USN Choose-your-duration smoke (but a lot longer duration than what Laffey gets)SAP instead of APGood shell ballistics on 137mm guns (way better than USN 127s on Fletcher/Gearing)All of the new USN DDs are gunboats - Laffey is more aggressive with less smoke but a superheal to let you really get stuck in, with the ability to burst and then use a short duration smoke to disengage and heal. Burrows line feels more like take the engagement, do some good SAP damage, disengage with smoke and reset the engagement right away (ideally as soon as you force the enemy DD to burn their smoke) and then re-engage them aggressively because you can disengage at will with your very fast CD smoke and they can't unless they're British (and even then, I think Burrows can smoke and disengage more frequently than Daring can)Once the enemy DD fires at you with their smoke down and your cruiser is keeping them lit it's GG, especially with the comfortable 137 ballistics that'll let you hammer them even when they're out at 8-9km trying to break vision
>>1967693I like it so far. It's not a damage farming gunboat and it badly lacks stopping power; the torpedo reload is long, they're short range, and the smoke doesn't last long enough to anchor you in a position. It has demented survivability though. Beyond the superheal, it's smaller than Gearing, slightly more maneuverable, you always have smoke to disengage, and you have a burst fire to make your engagements shorter. I think it'll be strong in randoms where nearly every game these days has 4 or 5 DDs per team, and you often have to fight multiple over the course of a game.
>>1967801Is it more or less fun than Hull.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpxwg0mC8mQ
I genuinely can't decide which T10 coal DD I wantI can probably only pick one right now, but I can see value in pretty much all four of themMarceau is a fast kiting gunboat which I'd like to get my hands on (but the ballistics seem like they'd hold it back from being perfect)Alvaro's burst fire and speed makes it seem like a good knife fighter which is also appealing but Laffey might fill that niche enough for meTromp I'm really not sure about, I'm not really a fan of Dutch CL airstrikes but supposedly it has easier to use airstrikes and works as sort of a farming CLAnd then Hayate seems like a fun hybrid - Shimakaze torpedo power but you also get actually respectable DPM on the deceptively good IJN 127s. I'm someone who enjoys Asashio and actually uses the guns on it, so Hayate might honestly be an okay choice but then again >torpboat in 2025
>>1968733I only have marceau but I find her boring to play since she has the floaty gun arcs. She can knife fight, but no hydro means the opponent can't be one of the good DDs or you'll have to run. Most of the time you're just farming BBs which is dull.
>>1968776Are the arcs too floaty to reliably farm stuff at 13km? The more I play DDs with actually reliable guns the more I feel like floaty guns just aren't worth the hassle. I do want something that goes fast, kites open water, and you just hold down LMB until there's nothing left in range. Kinda like Kleber but I would enjoy more reliable DPM rather than reload booster memes.
>>1968733Get Alvaro if you can't decide, I think it's easily the most fun of the four.>Laffey might fill that niche enough for meIt's not really comparable to Laffey. They both have bursts and that's where the similarity ends. Laffey is highly specialized into survivability. Alvaro is an already decent, generalist gunboat with good torps, good ballistics, high alpha damage, normal smokes, that also gets a burst mode (which is way better than Laffey's on account of the reload, alpha, and dispersion buff) which makes it diabolical because you always win the DD fight and get to do your damage farming.
>>1968793You can hit BBs, but gonna have a hard time hitting cruisers, much less DDs. You don't pen shit either so you're praying for fire RNG.
>>1968832Can Alvaro open water if you know what you're doing or is it a bit too large?
>>1969125That depends on the circumstances of course, but it has 15km of range with the skill and the ballistics to use it, so I'd say so.
lmao I had forgotten how dogshit wargaming was at PR.
>>1970311XVOYAGE?
>>1970354Yeah. They're getting bombed on steam.
>didn't even hear about the XVOYAGE code in time to no-life a Boise or at least get 20 days of premfuck me
>>1970766It was 20 missions long and they got to it in hours. I doubt anyone got Boise or the dubs or the super containers. Some people got some of the credits though.
Damn, how many years has it been since I last played this>stats show I got kicked from my clan in 2019I don't even remember what made me drop it, I had just unlocked Groz and Mino and was enjoying them a lot, but I played fewer than 10 games in each before I quit
>>1971279which server? also do not pick up kitakami, one of the worst ships ingame
>>1971279pick up kitakami even though it's one of the worst ships in the game
>>1971329NAAnd now I remember, the CV rework was imminent at the time I quit and I didn't even feel like giving it a chance
>>1971279This shit boils my bum. I came back and started playing a week before the anniversary. If only I'd waited I would have so much shit!
>>1971279>>1971341Welcome back, Anumati
Is Toulon any good?And what ship did you get from tier 7 container from the battle pass?
>>1971279Missouri was just available for Dubs, so I'd probably pick either Belfast as a serious choice or Gremy if you want a bit of a clubberNikolai is kind of a meme since T4 is dead.
>>1971727As someone else who got it from a crate a while ago it's kinda mid but at least it's not totally useless
>>1971738I remember doing ranked T5 and it was all Kamikazes and Gremys, I had to cope with Nicholas and try to rush down the Kamikazes. On the other hand Bong CLs were probably my best ship line top to bottom (yes, even Neptune) even without Belfast.
>>1971859T5 ranked as a DD player is a nightmare, I would maybe play Hill to troll but there's really not a lot of competent T5 DDs outside of Kamikaze (torpboat supreme) and Gremy (gunboat supreme)
>>1971727Tokachi. And I don't like any of the french battlecruisers beside marseille.
>>1971888>TokachiI want that.>I don't like any of the french battlecruisers beside marseilleI like breast.
>>1971893I mean Brest.
>>1971896I played her during WWII ops recently and she just feels bad with that huge reload time. You're just a bad battleship. At least Marseille's punch and RoF feels good.Is Tokachi good? Didn't bother sailing her yet. maybe like a Japanese Atlanta? I guess better gun arcs and torps but worse AA/no radar.
>>1971279lmao reinstalled the game and they forgot to put Gremy in the choices in-game
>>1972001Gremy hasn't been good since they removed open water stealth firing anyway.
>>1971896I like Brest and breast
>>1972133Blyskawica bros...
I just found this ancient meme in my folder and decided to post it.
>>1972445I bet you don't even remember the context of that meme
>>1972574I do, because I made it. Circon was in...nagato? And he turned out from carrier planes and ate a billion torps. Anyways, he quit wows after it.
>>1973320I was there
I found one of you.
>>1973392I miss when Shimakaze was good
>>1973832hydro, radar, and the smoke nerf ruined world of warships
>>1973832shima is still good desu. Hard to top torp spam, concealment, moderate speed and honestly, really good gun arcs. Shima can definitely finish off DDs with less than 5k HP.Can she cap contest? Fuck no, but 80% of DD players can't do that even in good contesters.
>>1973855After playing Daring I can no longer play any other torpboat in the game, the single launches are just way too powerful
>>1973860>stupid good conceal>massive gun DPM>quick recharge smokes for massive vision control>single launch torps to nuke people out of existence with precision strikes>super maneuverable>has a hydro AND a heal>literal only weakness is that you don't have a speed boost
>>1973860I wouldn't call daring a torp boat myself. She's an above average cap contester and jack of all trades I think. Just a Gearing powercreeper.
I honestly don't like daring. I'd rather play vampire II or YY.
>>1974011I can't comment on Vamp II but YY is a totally different ship, it doesn't do the same things Daring does.
>>1973862>one of the slowest DDs at t10>loses against most high alpha DDs even with heal>one if not on par with Gearing and YY worst floaty shells above 7.5km rangeAnon sorry but if you want to pick a good TT dd play Grozi or even a radar YY. Also playing Daring as "torpboat" is kinda cringe (even a 17k Shima will do better then you ever could).
>>1974256>playing Daring as "torpboat" is kinda cringeit's not my fault that they put the strongest torpedo gimmick in the game on a "gunboat" line
She doesn't have TRB thoughever.
TRB is cope
>>1974256>Grozovoi>goodLMAO
TRB is the strongest "torpedo gimmick"
TRB is cope for not having single launches
>>1974953I can tell you are sub 45% thinking it´s bad.
>got hoodBlech
>>1975005I'm a unicum DD player and Grozovoi is just not fucking good anymoreIt WAS good a long time ago but it's outclassed in every way and has been for well over a yearIt's a weak ship with zero tools to control the map and no real match impact that can't do anything other than farm damage
>Grozovoi WAS good a long time ago, until it was buffed, buffed again, and again, and again, now it's le bad
>>1975113Refute him if you can.
>>1975129That is a refutation of the insane premise that Grozovoi was good, until it got buffed. It was abysmal and utterly worthless until it got the concealment buff and separate heal.
>>1975113>one of the best dd gun arcs ingame >12km buff back then for no fucking reason>actual tanky dd that doesn´t eat shit like all the shilled shit>wins against 90% of all DDs ingame >will kill any Ragnar/Gdanks and other "long range" DDs without issue cause as mentioned above broken guns you can´t miss withGroz was always a legit DD, no fucking idea how many years you have not played when Groz wasn´t fucking touched in the conceal in like what? 5-6 years or longer?
>>1975104>no real match impact that can't do anything other than farm damageyou know that´s what matters in todays meta right? also what you mean with "has been for well over a year", it´s fucking 2025 you glue-eater and not 2016 or whatever
>>1974084Exactly, Daring is useless out of the 3.YY: radar or smoke and TRB + nuke torpsVamp: pre-nerf Daring guns, better smoke, better hydroDaring: Better????
>>1975113It's STILL not good despite all the little buffs they've given it >>1975170>wins against DDsit has dogshit DPM and a painful turning circle, at best it chips at kiting ranges of like 7-8km until the other DD goes dark and then you go back to doing nothing as you have basically no torps at all (since you run leg mod or you're REALLY not winning any gun fights ever) If you try to contest caps, you lose. You have mediocre smoke, mediocre DPM, your torps aren't very good and that's assuming you even have access to them, the only thing you have going for you is a weak heal to try to sustain when you lose the gunfight and disengage. Other DDs just sit in the cap and own it for free, if you push in against them you die. Yeah it's great if you're playing against literal retards I guess, but I never have any difficulty at all killing Grozos and whenever I play Grozovoi against an actually decent DD player it's miserable
I just play pve with my bismarck, it's comfy not having to deal with sub/cv cancer
>>1975237Anyone with some brain knows your talking shit. I am an unicum DD player and play with unicum DD players and nobody would ever talk Grozi bad and fucking shill Daring as "good DD". Grozi is one of the few DDs that are TT and can deal with ships like Ragnar, Smaland and Lushun. Daring can deal with a 17k Shima but thats it. Anyway no idea why I waste my time with someone who thinks TBR is bad and that Daring is a "good torpboat". Play for fun enjoyer :´)
Do you think they will sell Graf Spee again? Maybe another Haifuri collab? Deutschland and Scheer just aren't the same as Graf Spee.
>>1975649Yes they will, during Christmas. Just buy a bunch of crates and whale for it.
>>1975542same, I'm never playing randoms again until they remove subs. So I'm never playing random again.
>>1975822Have you tried playing the 2019 mode without subs nor CVs?
>>1975633sorry bud, but the ultimate truth is that TRB is cope for missing all of your torps, which daring does not need to cope about because it has single launches and actually hits all of them
>>1975633>Grozovoi can deal with Ragnar/Smaland/LushunHow lol you have an inferior heal, inferior DPM, no radar, mediocre smoke, how are you dealing with these? Lushun even has the same ballistics as you do it's just better DPM AND better heal LMAO World's most delusional player lmao his 175k base DPM ship with a normal heal is beating a 197k base zombie heal ship or a 247k base radar DD
>>1975649I still want to get my hands on Harekaze one day since it's three premiums for the price of one
>>1975933It's cool and all, but the 100mm guns are the only viable choice
>>1975822>subs worst class ingame>not playing the game cause of that>subs are nothing else but IQ tests now if they get dmg or notYou are some mentally challenged person or must be 300 from HOTEL if you drop the game for this reason
>>1975930It´s called armor but you forgot that I guess. Also your still the Daring guy right? Otherwise you would not even mention the smoke to begin with, shocker Daring SMOKE IS SHIT LMAO. Fucking shill who plays gargabe, even a leg mod Gearing will kill your shitty "torp DD build Daring" KEK!
>>1975852Why not play then Mino? You taking away proper DD slots you subhuman.
>playing Asym>320k damage, 6 kills in a T9>rest of my team is T10s>we LOSE the match because I get focused down and killed by the AI CV (Pobeda cancer)I wish these literal subhumans could stay in the regular co-op mode
>>1975959>Grozovoi has "armor" (it's literally all 19mm plating like every other DD)>Daring smoke is shitI'm literally being trolled at this point, like you just stopped trying
Puerto Rico guns are surprisingly nasty when they connect
>>1975843That's not randoms. It is a temporary game mode I am enjoying, yes.
>>1975969The last 3 days have been nothing but the worst troglodytes in asym. Worse is when they div. As with every mode in the game, your average retard has no idea how to deal damage, so you lose. They unironically think going 1-1 in ASYM is good enough. There is no hope.
>>1976189legit crashed out earlier, 45% DD and a 48% DD playerOne yolo'd in and went 1:1 and the other sat on the border in smoke and tried to farmcalled them both subhuman chimpanzee nigger monkeysThey need to just ban DDs and Subs from Asym
>>1976189>>1976241Why are you complaining about your teammates in asymmetric battles? I know you both must be windowlicking monkeys too because naught but the lowest specimens of mankind would choose to play a PvE mode in a PvP game.
>>1976245>fast>don't have to actually bother playing properly, can just yolo in and farm if your team isn't literally retarded (half them time they are) because no stats>makes as much or more credits than randoms, decentish base expI regularly post 250-300k damage per game and make a good 1 mil credits every match it's just frustrating when the other 4 monkeys are AFK bots sitting on the redline doing nothing and you lose despite racking up 6-7 kills and 300k+ damage
>>1976245I like to win retard. I will absolutely complain about my subhuman teammates who are incapable of half the bare minimum of action. If you don't care about PVE why are you even entering the conversation?
>>1976315why are you so mad?
>>1976268>PVE>winningWOW ANON YOU RLY GAVE THESE BOTS A HARD MATCH!Are you in [HOTEL] by any chance? I heard they are great PVE clan since the last split :´)
>>1976935some of the pve players are so bad that winning some games feels like an achievement
>>1977042to be fair i don´t think that in rando players with below 56 are even human so PVE players are not even real to me
>1 CV 2 hybrids and a dutch BB with air strikeFuck Asia server. literally unplayable.How's EU or NA in 2025? With XVOYAGE code and free doubloons it's might be better to start a new account on different server.
>>1977180Fuck off, we're full.I am so fucking tired of SEA peoples coming and destroying our game.
>>1977180NA dropped in player numbers but I guess you ask an NA anon how bad it is. If you decide to start new go with EU. Dutch ships only get spammed by unicums players and CVs you see every 2 matches. In case you start new check out [2DQT].
>>1977184there are so many chinks on EU now...
>>1977180Do you like double sub+CV+brand new $150 pay2win bote matches?
>>1977476Genuine question: What premium ships are consider P2W?
>>1977476I will take that over double subs + double CVs + double Kearsarges.
Is the Kushiro even worth it? I can get it but I have to grind credits fucking hard for the next week to buy back enough ships to actually get it.
>>1977476You haven't experienced suffering unless you're in a double CV+triple sub match.
>>1977491Sibir, Valparaiso, Prince of Orange. Probably some others but I think that's enough.
how come the French 5"/54 fires better shells than the American 5"/54? they fired the same ammunition in reality
>>1977575It's an ibuki with exhaust smoke and suicide torps. If that's good to you then get it.
>>1977798Same reason some secondaries shoot 3km further, pen more armor and are more accurate.
>>1977798The same reason why soviet shells don't ricochet, have the flattest arcs, yet never overpen.It's a video game, not reality.
>sell all my stock modules and a ton of expendable camos I don't use>+40m creditshahahaha
>>1977757they should always align ASW destroyers and cruisers against the sub side of the map.Its annoying as shit to be a fully rigged asw ship and have the sub be on the opposite side of the world.
>>1978661How bad are you if you still die to subs in 2025?
>>1978666how bad are you that you can't fucking read.So eager to score some worthless internet gotcha that make a fool of yourself.
>>1978687All I read is WAH WAH WAH.
>>1975956damage isnt what makes subs annoying to play against, turboretard
>>1978729MUH SPOTTING! Somehow never was an issue when DDs perma spot you :´)
what did he mean by "he can play any role"? these are the stats of someone who killed his clan three times I guess kek
>>1978741yeah because DDs never permaspot other DDs
>>1978661They should just remove subs from the game instead.
>>1979123And subs do that how? Subs can´t perma spot other subs nor perma spot DD´s but if it´s so strong/broken then why are you not playing them?>>1979165They should remove subhumans like you but I don´t complain about.
>>1979184You are complaining about me right now mr. ESL.
>>1977798>British 113mm main battery gun firing 113mm HE 5crh>19mm of armor penetration, can only deal with enemy DDs and shatters against cruisers>Japanese 100mm main battery/secondary guns, firing 100mm HE Type99>30mm penetration, can penetrate most cruiser armor and a decent amount of battleship bows/sterns/deck armor if they're lower tier (i.e. you're playing Akizuki)
>>1979389Don't let me start on the US 3 inch AA VS 40mm bofors.
>>19794293 inch used to be spectacular. Did they nerf them?
>>1979389>>1979429>>1979454Who cares.
>>1979505you, apparently.
>>1979573Nigga it´s a game where you spam left mouse button. Fuck off into some history channel and just click ships, not as if these things would improve the stats of yours overall ;=)
Here is your new BB bro. It has:Better guns than MontanaBest AA in game47 knot speedGreat concealmentRadarTorpedoesWill there be anything else?
>>1979594keep responding buddy, It shows how much you don't care. btw, talking about stats when you don't present your own means you're probably an unironic 50.1%er who is extremely proud of his 15,000 game slog to get there.
>>1979599>"talking about stats when you don't present your own means you're probably an unironic 50.1%er who is extremely proud of his 15,000 game slog to get there"You can always link your profile :o
>>1979616So can you piss yellow boy.
>>1979622Sorry not like our clanleader :=)
>>1979595They won't, because they're retarded, but the ships should either have an 8KM radar range or they should get like 15s base durationI actually think giving them 8KM AND 15s base duration on 2 charges base of radar would be justified, a BB radar should be a short range defensive tool to punish a DD attempting to hit you with an impossible to dodge broadside spread of torps at like 6km and not a fucking 30s 10km tool that lets you zone out entire caps like you're a USN cruiser with none of the weaknesses that a CL/CA has and a higher top fucking speed at thatI mean this thing goes 47 fucking knots, jesus christOver half of the DDs in the game get radared at 10km by this thing and then it can literally just point at them and run them down, by the time the radar runs out this guy'll barely be a kilometer out of your visual detect range and then a good 15 seconds later he's 5.8/6km from you and keeping you permalit as his secondaries start to cook you
>>1979595total baBBy death
I regret buying Napoli, this thing is fucking terrible>meme secondaries that do absolutely nothing even with a full secondary build>fragile tissue paper hull that can't tank anything>hideously useless main battery guns that are so bad I understand why everyone builds this turd for secondaries
La creatura
>try to play Deutschland>switch to manual secondaries>shells are landing nowhere fucking near the target>???>check in port>maximum dispersion of the main battery 283mm battleship guns: 181m>maximum dispersion of the tiny destroyer caliber secondaries: 183mfucking lol
>>1979904This will be better than Yamato if only because not having a rear turret means retards will sit bow in rather than sail broadside
>>1979923this>>1979897impressive skill issue. Even the biggest potatoes make napoli work.
Is this any good?
lmaoI love getting Krakens and Es in absolute shitboxes
>>1980016>Gorizialol
I got Alvaro De Baz from my free tX box.Ok with it desu fun meme bote
>>1980044I got U-4501 despite missing a bunch of the other coal shipsshit sucks
>>1980086yeah thats kinda riptheres meme botes then theres meme botes and 4501 is a "god has a abandoned us" kind meme bote
>>1980020What if I told you it's easier to get Es in shitboxes?
>>1980100Oh I know, Its still satisfying though. Playing a shitbox well and killing things despite your shitboxhood is fun.
>>1979897It’s the tankiest Ship in the Game, is played since day one in comp and pretty much the easiest to play ship there is. The Statement Just Shows how bad pretty much everyone around here is…I am not suprised that some from here arent on discord cause otherwise they would be just laughed at in the First Place
>>1979897post stats, cpt and ship build in ityou must be trolling or are beyond help if you think napo is bad and of all things "can´t tank anything"
Shiki or Imcomp with my steel? I only like big guns.
>>1979897actually made me reply despite i only lurk every now and then. you're just plain retarded if you cant make napoli work. i bet you didnt even to enter your secondary guns range or actually push with it into caps or flanks when you already aware of what ships should be within your lane. and im what you would call a 'average' player, and have i only played a single ship for the majority of my past year.
>>1980393Napo is the only ship where under 100k is fine as long as i know you tanked like an entire flank alone
>>1980384Incom you die in todays meta to fast, dont ask shit like this here and just ask in your clan or so
>>1980419What's a clan? I only play Asymmetric battles.
>>1980393>92k damageLOLJust goes to show I'm right about how fucking dogshit the main battery is and how useless the shatter secondaries are
>>1980568honestly i didnt get to use my main guns because it was 2v5 on my flank and only tried to set the bbs on fire whenever i wasn't spotted and not have them aiming towards my general direction. only managed to citadel a des moines that tied to push me when i was kiting after pushing towards the two DDs. but again im only a average player, anyone here who isnt a clanless or from NA can easily pull it off better than me without trying.
>>1980384Shiki is just Yamato sidegrade, not really worth steel.
>>1980619its better in every point, what are these fucking stupid takes on here all the time?daring torpboat, napoli bad, PVE players complaining about their teams and now thishonestly touch some fucking grass and stop posting on here
>>1980721Bud, there is almost nothing in the game that shiki overmatches than yammy doesn't. You have 2/3 the guns, so you are statistically going to hit less, it's basic math. There are tons of good steel ships, shiki does arguably nothing yamato doesn't already, what do you not understand. Recommending someone buy shiki when they don't have the good steel ships is trolling.
>>1980807Clueless subhuman opinion. Let me guess next you say he should get Stalin or so kek.
>>1980721>still mad about the daring thing when it was clearly trolling on both sidesthe only one who needs grass is you lol48% BB main post ngl
>>1980838I accept your concession.
>>1972574>the year is TWO THOUSAND and TWENTY FIVE of our lord>the world of warships playerbase is still like thisgrim
>>1980923This mindset is directly responsible for the undeadable 47kt BB with 30s 10km radar
>grab my 10 free containers from the German cruiser event>0.3% chance of a ship>tell myself "we win these" and open all 10>get Weimarhaha holy shit, I don't think it's even that great but I'll take it
You must be retarded to play a cruiser in 2025.
>>1981013Des Moines was FUN yesterday, it's FUN today, and it'll be FUN tomorrow
>>1981057*cits you through the bow**Smashes your superstructure for 30k SAP**hits you with unavoidable torps for 12k(aircraft which will be back in 30s)-all your hp(any DD at all)*keep playing des moines, I need my easy Es.
British battleships, Italian cruisers, Japanese destroyers - simple as.
>>1981064>*cits you through the bow*That's a skill issue, just dodge. Not to mention that the stars need to align for a BB shell to disperse perfectly into your cit through the nose.The real problem with Des Moines is that its sides get overmatched by everything these days. But that applies to almost every cruiser.>*Smashes your superstructure for 30k SAP*This isn't an issue with Des Moines, this is Colombo being busted. Everyone gets clicked for 30k by SAP from it. >*hits you with unavoidable torps for 12k(aircraft which will be back in 30s)-all your hp(any DD at all)*If you get torped in a Des Moines by a DD you are retarded and should be banned from the game.Planes and subs are a problem for everyone, not just Des Moines. And leg mod Des Moines has the maneuverability to dodge them.Meanwhile Des Moines has the DPM to deal with everything comfortably, it also has the radar to make an impact on capture points.
>>1981564Salem is better Desmo cause you can at least surv. two CC salvos. Facts!
>>1981628Salem is worse than DM because you can't slot leg mod and you can't heal penetration damage. Your superheal is worthless against pen damage. You sacrifice too much, no leg mod, no 10km radar, having to choose between hydro and radar, being forced into worthless def. AA...Salem is just inferior.The only upside is that you can slot Halsey for free.Otherwise DM > Salem.
>>1981013More exciting than BB gameplay thoughbeit
>>1980384Shiki is more forgiving, Incomp has the potential to be more fun but is more of a gamblers ship. Depends on what you like more. Both have guns that sound fucking sick though.
>>198156490% of DMs I see are island humping. Not that being open water makes you much harder to hit, then you're just another cruiser.>>1981665Not saying much.
>>1981696Sitting on islands in 2025 against dutch spam is anyway crazy...
FInally fixed my game :)
>>1981861Mixing Kantai Collection and Azur Lane should be punishable by death.
>>1981861Makes me want to uninstall desu
>>1981872Blame KanColle/DMM for absolutely dropping the ball when the whole Gacha craze began. They fucked up when they excluded the Western audience and AL making the objectively better game. Too bad too, because I love the Kancolle designs more. I'm back modding in swastikas and fixing shitty ship names like Löwenhardt to Graf Zeppelin '39
>>1981872Not his fault Kancolle is so slow to add western ships.
Which WG sanctioned cheat mods should I be using? I've been playing completely vanilla and still managing great stats, but I wonder if I should be exploiting stuff like Navigator and detect timers and all the other borderline cheating shit like last known position in smoke dots to shoot at so I can push to purple.
>>1982492All you need is anime mods and maybe the detection timer.
>it another episode of you team Paolo yolo'd into enemy sonar and die in the first five minute
say something nice about him :)
>>1981880>I love the Kancolle designs morenakadashi fubuki
>>198269315% is impressive, it takes a lot of effort to actively sabotage your team below 30%Like yeah 466 battles isn't a huge amount but it's a large enough sample size, I have to imagine this guy plays DDs and actively rams other friendly DDs in caps to get them killed before dying himself, being -2 DD is maybe enough to lose 85% of matches
>>1982693Is this div? There is no way he's able to achieve 15% playing solo
>>1982815yeah, here's the other stooge
>>1982971>68 battles in Napoli>16 victories>overall 13.95% victories>2nd GradeAnd you guys tried to tell me Napoli was a good ship lol
>>1982996You're as bad as this guy? I mean we can't help you at that point.
>>1983009He's a 2nd grade player, that means he's about average skill in Napoli
This new USN DD line is so painfully midIt has zero tools at allNo AA, doesn't get DFAA because ???No real vision control, you don't get a hydro or a radar just the mediocre smokesThe firepower on the T7/T8 is really fucking anemic so you have a gunboat that can't gunboat with a single rack of dogshit torpsThey're also slow as fuck and handle poorlyI don't understand the appeal of this line at all.Like at least give it a normal heal at this point so it has SOMETHING going for it
I want this.
>>1984603Well pray they add it for Bungo line's tier XI.
>>1984265I mean if you are bad at the game then I guess so. Can´t change the mind of bad players to begin with so in case you die to those DD´s delete the game ok?
literally my first randoms game since they introduced the efficiency badgesthis game is a fucking joke
>>1985023You have to show which ship that is, some are easier than others because of the individuals who regularly play those ships.
>>1985026
Do Dutch cruisers get better? I have Eendracht and trying to get value out of the airstrikes feels miserable
>>1985028I mean thats rly good solid stats. Would say anything above 100k with the T9 is good. You should get around 120 minimum on the T10 tho. Hello fellow member!
>>1985101You have to get used to dropping and hitting and keeping the fires up. Learning by doing.
>>1985101legmod golden lion is pretty amazing
If you play subs or carriers you are a twat who was always picked last at PE
>>1985245I was always picked last for PE and I play only destroyers
>>1985245Not me, patiently waiting for a german CV with navalized Me262 tactical squads to bully BBs and DDs
>>1985245>subs are opLMAO
>>1985350he did not say that
>>1985354why play subs when a 17k shima has more impact even?
>>1985361how do you manage less impact in a sub than a 17k shima?
>>1985361Annoying cunts bad at the game.
>>1985372sub can´t perma spot, no sub deals as much dmg as a shima, has as much dmg as a shimayou know that subs average dmg is sadly lower then whatever you even do in your BB you subhuman
>he's bad at playing subsFigured.
>>1985557are you any good with them?
>>1985501You act like the average DD player's damage isn't already ridiculously low for how powerful DDs are. Sub players are even worse than that so it's no surprise they're lower.
>move forward>submerge>spam torps>turn around>spam torps>back off for a minute>repeatPeople find this gameplay hard/engaging?
>>1986537yeah cause the BB gets to drop instant death on me from 15km
>HOTEL [9] has less active players somehow then 2DQT [13]>HOTEKEK wins againWhat did „he“ mean by this? I have not seen a single div in years on our server. Also fuck all sub, dd and cv players.
>>1986688If you are spotted on the surface from 15km you did something wrong.
>>1986887there's a great big indicator that says "click here to kill submarine"
>>1987488Only if you ping. Maybe don't ping from 15km away? Also it drops up to 1km away from your sub. Again, skill issue on your part.
They had to give all classes access to planes so they even stand a chance to hurt sub-humans.That's how broken they are.
I feel kinda bad for my kuma mate to join that reddit cult. At least one good thing about it is, that he will quit the game soon enough with that boring as cringe leader who talks about his cuck lifestyle instead of the game kek. KEKTEL!
