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Big Fat Hunt Thread-----------insert link to dead previous thread here----------
big sale on steam for the base game and dlcs
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/594650/Hunt_Showdown_1896/
Judgement of the Fool live event ongoing until Sept 17th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HThYAlBxOV8
Thundershowers will be returning July 31st (this Thursday) along with a Dev stream and twitch drops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BcNmrkqpxA
happy hunting
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr6G-l5gNWI
the new music is pretty good
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I can't wait for the *checks notes* fall event it would be a great closure to the *checks notes* current event
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Dev stream
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj_azW2XRuM&pp=ygUOaHVudCBzaG93ZG93biA%3D
Twitch drops
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0zhYxVyN8DE
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rainbros how we feeling
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Whoa this game is still alive?
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I honestly didn't even know rain was coming back until yesterday
>t. 3500 hours
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KING is taking applications
post your best frag vid below
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>decide to have a few drinks and play with rain re-added
>play like 10 games
>not a single one was rainy
I don't understand this trend of 're-release thing we removed previously that people really want to return after a year and then barely let you play it'. I'm still always surprised when I get DeSalle
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>>1897782
Classic crytek they should've adjusted it to 100% kinda like the inferno event
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>>1897782
REAL
waited two months for a new thread lmao
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>>1898548
shut up gay man
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How do I get good at this game
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>>1901497
try to shoot good and dont take dying too seriously
somedays i get shit on and others the team and i server wipe hunt is a strange and wonderful beast
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I don't know what loadout I should be using
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>>1901600
whichever one you'll play to
i like pushing and shotguns, med cent lets me cover med range very well and do wall pens
everything is good as long as you play to it's strengths
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>>1901600
Romero is still strong and it's a great budget gun
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>>1901600
Anything but the spectre
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>>1901600
spam is the meta so ideally a winfield (ideally an Infantry or Frontier Swift) with levering and ideally with iron eye
only things you should really avoid are bomb lances and a few shotguns, namely the rival because its outclassed by everything else and the slate because it's a more expensive and inferior specter
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>>1903765
why the hell did I say ideally three fucking times
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>>1897251
https://www.twitch.tv/miami_ville/clip/StupidEnjoyablePancakeOSsloth-_aPFnqx27qeJsnWv
oldie but goldie from my channel
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>>1901497
Get a shotgun, play actively. Move a lot, take chances like bob-and-weaving in fights.
You will be better in the game ina shorter time than bushwookies.
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Redpill me on the cheating situation. Is it really as bad as people say it is?
I have no choice but to play in the Asia servers btw.
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>>1901793
>tranny skins
>cent sharty instead of dolch p
>romero instead of c&k
>axe instead of spear
tell me youre a shitter with no money relying on you're credit card for skins to hide the fact you have no hunt dollars without telling me youre a shitter with no money relying on you're credit card for skins to hide the fact you have no hunt dollars
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>>1907154
Europe here, I don't really think it's that bad - but I've played over 1000 hours and i can tell very easily if someone is sus or not.
More often than not, people don't cheat, they just get a good hold.
Of course, the alarms go off when you eat a headshot from 70+m from mid run.
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>>1901600
two conversions in akimbo mode
a knife
med pack
simple as
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>>1907345
>playing meta shit
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>>1908009
>being gay
stop it man
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>>1901600
A railroad hammer
A medkit

Procure all other equipment on mission
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>>1907345
>tranny skins
blond haired modest white girl
>cent sharty instead of dolch p
(with fmj) has better pen than long ammo and the dolch is gay
>romero instead of c&k
it's called kino
>axe instead of spear
3 axes v 1 spear. i'd use throwing knives but they don't one tap horses reliably anymore
>no money
400$ in consumables every game
not even prestige 100 at 6k hours
>relying on you're credit card for skins
he doesn't have thousands of blood bonds from the good old days

sit and spin nerdo, thanks for the guns
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>>1908834
there u are, go shower and join vc
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Haven't played in a year, is the spear still the only viable melee weapon? Does double fire trap still almost burn you completely? Did they fix the UI? Any other change I should be aweare of?
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>>1910262
Spear got it's speed and damage nerfed, throwing axes now carry 3, knives 8.

I usually don't bother with a melee tool, there's no downside to bayonet weapons anymore, talons and trauma variants have more recoil though.

Alert trip mines burn 25 HP per trap, UI is still worse compared to pre-1896, but better than launch 1896.

All maps are now in the game, and rain is available for Desalle and Gulch. I think it's in a good spot now, if this was how 1896 launched it would have been a huge success.
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I fucking love rain!
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>>1922044
reddit
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>>1930735
no u
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>>1901600
Honestly the guns and gear don't matter 1/2 as much as you think they do.
>>1901497
Don't take each game too seriously, it's meant to be fun. Don't focus on winning the game, just get into as many fights as possible. That'll make you a better player in the long run.
>>1907154
Not bad, due to the game not being competitive or very popular, there's not much incentive to cheat or design cheats.
>>1907345
Obvious b8
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>>1932109
>Not bad, due to the game not being competitive or very popular
obvious b8 or you're below 5 star
crytek has openly admitted 10% of playerbase hacks
6 star lobbies are 2% of playerbase, obviously hackers will be high elo
so if you're 5/6 star you're guaranteed hackers every single game
>>1930735
rain is currently the only saving grace of this fucking game and they're retarded for making it 1/10 games when every other time they bring something out they force it down your throat 100% of games
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>>1932680
>obvious b8 or you're below 5 star
I'm 2800 hours in

It's kind of moot to debate about how many hackers there are. There are people(like me) who obviously don't think there is much of an issue, but I've met people who tell me there is someone hacking in every game we play. In the end, no one really knows.

My own experiences with cheating in this game are as follows:
I notice people who derender foliage and other objects a few times a week. I've met people who use exploits to see further(up to 30ft) through fog. I've met people who mess with the EQ of the game so much that you wouldn't be able to tell the audio is from hunt showdown, but they can tell when you breathe in to ADS from 40ft away. I've met people who congregate in discords dedicated to selling and sharing cheats.

TL;DR hunt has the same amount of cheaters as any online game, probably a little bit on the lower end.
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>>1907154
The redpill is you should assume a good portion of the people you see complaining about cheaters in any given game are coping and falsely accusing people. It really doesn't take anything special to get some people to accuse you.
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>>1932680
>crytek has openly admitted 10% of playerbase hacks
When? Where?
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Who do you guys play this game with? What is it like?
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>>1935908
>who do you play with
friends
>what is it like
its terrible but i like them more than i hate this game, fuck bald gnome, regen shots and dual pistols
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>>1936405
I'm playing with some people I met on hunt official. Been playing with some of the same guys for over a year. I've noticed a lot of players are good at the game, but really bad at playing with team mates.
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>>1894206
feeling fine
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>>1896006
It sure is, you been living under a rock?
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>>1947677
this is like the slowest thread on /vm/
i still play and have fun, but there's nothing to optimistically talk about
devs are cooked
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>>1947690
Why didn't anybody tell me how fun medium slot loadouts are? I've never played them until my current prestige and have to say it's a lot of fun. Once I get to medium range I feel very versatile and ready to fight in any situation.

>>1947690
Been here a while and have realized there's nothing to talk about. I play 75 hours a week, but nothing to post here about.

State of the game is good though desu.
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>>1948460
medium guns are great. currently tho there's gunrunner and you can start with quartermaster so it's not common
i do it anyway just for nostalgia since the event is 3 fucking months long
>I play 75 hours a week, but nothing to post here about.
turns out actual gamers are too busy gaming to chin wag
but that's kinda why all the redditors that don't play the game are who devs listen to
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>population declines as event starts to end and normies are all playing silkslop despite never playing hollow knight
>drop to 4star from 6 out of nowhere due to pre-mades having MMR all over the place
>suspicious headshots all over the place
>play some solo to in an attempt to mitigate and change MMR, get the worst possible spawns and situations, kill multiple and don't rank up anyway
>play some clash since i figure i can get matches now due to lower MMR
>get matched with 6* premades with 3+kd headshotted across the map back to back to back
the game going to absolute ass cancer 1-2 weeks before event ends till next event is one of the most consistent patterns i found in this game, i never really get burned out by the game itself, it just turns to garbage in patterns.
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>>1949147
You dropped from 6* to 4* star. You made it.
Also bounty clash has it's own hidden mmr.

Game is like this every event, that's for sure. When event starts the player pool is completely bulked out. Even the most casual players are trying out the new content. Your lobbies are much more evenly filled and the majority of the people playing want to play wild and have some fun. At this point in the event there are a bunch of people who've quit and are taking a break until the next event starts. Everyone's finished the battlepass, bored of the event content, and waiting until crytek do something new before they play the game again.The only people hanging around now and until the next event starts are the no lifers and the sweats. People who play this game like a mil sim, people who sit on random parts of the map and try to snipe people to increase their kd, people who sit outside of scan range until they know they're the last team in the lobby to push. The absolute scum of the earth.

There is a chinese bili bili streamer(EU servers btw) with a 5.8kd who I get matched against sometimes. Usually it's not so often, but 4/5 days this week I've spent 4 hours of every morning getting slapped by this guy on repeat. I don't even feel anger when I die to him anymore it's just a sigh of resignation. I'm not sure if he's cheating or just completely cracked out on adderall but there should be at least 4 tiers of cyberpsychos between me and him in the match making.
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>>1949118
Can't wait until they remove the gunrunner shit from the game. It was fun for a bit but there is not that much creative stuff I've done with it. Most people just take long ammo and a shotgun, and I am sick of pushing long ammo players only to be crowned in the face.

In terms of good gun runner loadouts my favorite is drilling+drilling. A lot of players instinctively try to move after they hear two drilling shots: "he's reloading, this is my chance to push/move". You fire your first two drilling shots and switch to your second drilling, often you'll see a guy running in the open or repeaking you from the same angle he's been fighting from. Often even people you tag with one of your first shots will be taking risks because they think it's their time to move. It will take teams quite a while to realize you've got two, and even when they realize the instinct to react to the two drilling rounds being fired is so strong; they've been training this reaction for 1000's of hours. The cadence of a double drilling player seems to be very hard for most players to adapt to.

If anyone else's got some creative gun runner loadouts, let me know.
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>>1949332
my gripe is the matchmaking doesn't matter because it prioritizes full matches over rank and it fucks over people like me who play either randoms or solo with decent skill but no metaslave e-sport tryharding, after 2k+ hours its so obvious the game just has hidden mechanics and calculations based on player metrics to fuck you over. also i rarely find the super obvious hackers that headshot you 150m across walls with dual scottfields but its obvious how high KD players are all using variety of ESP etc even if they aren't aimbotting, its an entire subculture with lame fucking youtube montages and everything, the reshade clan crowd.

i wish they would make a new gamemode with souped up PVE, bad weather conditions/night, solo or duo only, restricted loadouts, that you could always load into even if there are no full matches to be made.
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>>1949343
first match after leaving this post and i get the exact problem, random matchmaking is so fucked and 4* players can be so bad, just now had another ESL turbojeet who sperged in the most comical way when he died as i frantically kept trying to get him to stop hiding and revive our teammate while surrounded by 3 teams.
>piece of shit noob gay noob i report you etc etc
its funny but all i really want is a good fun match, not tardwrangle 70 iq subhumans who hide their kd and play with sparks silencer incendiary.
i either play solo or get this, and i dont like the hyperfocus intensity of solo. people who act like below 5 star is more fun don't understand how unfun random trios are, its like being in special ed in a 3rd world country on EU servers.
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>>1949340
i play drilling a lot and tried double drilling before, even without gunrunner i'd take the shorty, but it just feels like you spend half the time reloading.
also gunrunner doesn't make that much of a difference, the crown shorty is so strong aswell and i see it used more than full gunrunner.

anyway i like vetterli silencer or cyclone with a shotgun to play aggressively with.
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>>1949343
>>1950015
You sound like you're burned out of the game and need a break dude.
Also try find some mates on the official hunt discord to play with. I used to play there a lot until I found guys I like to play with, now I have regular mates I've been playing with for over a year.
>>1950025
Yeah the small crown is obnoxious shit. Sorry double drilling didn't work out for you, it's my jam.
I've played some cyclone shotgun. Great if you have fire on the cyclone and you can push while they try to put themselves out. It is the normal rifle+shotgun though. I'm watching a trio and one of the guys just played cyclone+explosive crossbow, which seems like a cool combo.
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>>1950200
i'm not really burned out, all this started happening after i took a break, but i'll probably just play solo a lot more now.

btw you should really play cyclone with FMJ, it lets you 2-tap arms up to like 77 meters which is insane, and you can very often get wallbangs with it, always play with an ammo box.
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>let me see what 4chan is saying about the tarot cards
>nobody is posting anything about it
grimmy
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>>1955253
well its gonna be a nothingburger or fuck up the whole game again and the teasers never make anything clear so.....
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>>1955253
there's definitely going to be at least one tarot card that is unfun bullshit
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>>1955378
its all going to be extremely situational and one-time use redundancy, but one will be something like a random teleport that will be cancer
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by the way what is the other teaser of the fossil imprint on the ground and the skull/spine on the t-shirt? it looks like something like a predator or alien crossover.
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>>1955575
lolno
>>1955270
every time. they'll probably do some overbalanced bs this time since current event is hugest nothingburger
also teasing next event during event is sad desperate
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>>1955654
>also teasing next event during event is sad desperate
hard disagree, you're just a jaded fuck
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlurPSQjOT0
i'm just kind of surprised they're doing a spider event and content when we already have a spider boss, i guess itll just be the hunter and a new event compound, tie it all to tarot cards lorewise like the last 2 events somehow.
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>>1956045
i would prefer they just run events back to back at this point, also that guy is forgetting this one was the longest one yet, running at 90 days i think.
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>>1956301
I guess it makes sense
The other bosses have their own hunter skins and weps except spider
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>2nd bounty team rushes to ambush us while chasing a straggling sniper
>counter fragbow spam with lightning fast 5 kill drilling dumdum clutch
most fun gun in the game
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>>1957773
man i really need to open my profile comments, i missed out on 2k hours of braindamaged slav rage.
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what's your favourite loadout for clash? i've been playing solo lately and i think the 1865 carbine is the perfect clash weapon even if you spent whatever.
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>>1958402
Romero, and 3 tool slots dedicated to traps
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>>1961662
running shotgun in clash is shit because 90% of the match does the same
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some faggot on reddit posted a video finding a guy blasting johnny rebel on voip and mods deleted the whole post
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since it very much seems like the new event will have its new compound be a new AI/boss, what kind of events do you think they'll add to it if anything new at all? besides a bounty token.
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reminder; the game uses hidden mechanics based on gambling psychology to keep you chasing dopamine hits from repetitive gameplay
the reddit meme "hunt giveth, hunt taketh" is typical of reddits' lack of self awareness since they clearly feel it but are in denial of the cause
>visual handicap maps when you pick a scoped weapon
>horrible spawnfights when you are about to level to 50
>spawns very far away from the boss as a solo, right next to the other solo(s)
it goes further than this, i noticed that as people "settle in" during events 3-4 weeks in, they ramp up gold register spawns, reward legendary hunters and bloodbonds through dark tribute.
the game most likely records your performance with loadouts and what you die to, then if you have a winning streak, all of a sudden you spawn right next to the guys in the match with the stuff you statistically die to, with 4 crow and horse spawns in your face. then after having frustrating gameplay, the next day you get "regular" spawns again, ive had this so many times.
there is no way you have performance go wildly up and down exactly on alternating days when the game is so heavily based on time-invested gamesense and frequent playing.
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>>1964954
there's only so much cope a man can produce without endangering himself and his loved ones
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>>1965033
denying it is the cope, how many hours do you have? all of these are very recognized patterns
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>>1965088
>n-n-n-no u
>how m-m-m-many hours
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>>1965102
crytek openly collects data on loadout usage and also uses it for random matchmaking, what makes you think they won't use it so you remain a paypig? stop being so naive.
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>david sir, all of our finances are in the red and our playerbase is dwindling, what shall we do?
>...
>...sir?
>Deploy ze hot goth waifu.
>...mein gott....
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>>1966543
https://www.crytek.com/news/web-of-the-empress-coming-soon
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>The Hanged Man: Allows you to spectate the nearest enemy Hunter. The target will be warned afterwards.
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>>1966591
>including the Empress who claims a maternal bond they do not reciprocate.
Frienzoned by some spider abominations KEK
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i'm glad they're increasingly doing gameplay mechanics instead of meaningless filler trash.
the scarce weapons also don't sound too overboard, i'm going to guess the centennial might be a long ammo one, the extended rival will probably just have romero+ reach and low recoil.

however the AOE damage tarot card sounds cancer.
>The Tower: Unleashes massive damage to monsters and Targets in a large radius, but sets the user on fire.
i imagine a team throwing some dynamites or frags, then activating one and nuking a team effortlessly, or using it in bounty clash in general..
hopefully they simply don't store after a match or something.
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>>1966694
actually, Target probably means boss targets, my bad.
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>>1966591
I wonder what "Allows you to spectate the nearest enemy Hunter." means exactly, feels like they would use a different phrase if it's just a dark vision boost thing. Seeing through enemy hunter's eyes, perhaps?
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>>1966879
i assume it means that, thats how you used to see bosses so maybe they brought it back like that, seems pretty extensive for a throwaway mechanic though.
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>>1966591
>two new scarce weapons
mite b cool
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the spider compound looks amazing for trapping btw
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Finally got the achievement
There were 2 Sledgehammer in that compound so there was lots of throwing beforehand
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>>1967052
Me likey
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>>1966879
testing for spectate features in future
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>>1967797
yeah they seem to be constantly testing things during events, i sure hope they buff the rival after this one too, thing fucking sucks.
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>>1967831
true. it should suck though. when it doesn't i am mad >:l
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>>1967839
why? its the worst shotgun by far, i would take a romero handcannon over it these days, or a romero hatchet the best gun in the game. even if it gets buffed people will keep using specter and slate and crown that shit all over it.
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>>1967844
i would do the same
i still die to it sometimes and am mad because it sucks
retard
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>>1967845
i cant recall the last time i died to it or even saw it, because nobody uses it because it sucks so bad
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>>1967469
>romero and katana
what drives someone to do this? being european?
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>>1967898
What's wrong with it
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>>1967797
I hope it leads to a replay system
Because sometimes I really would like to know how things unfolded after I extracted
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>>1966603
Crytek would have made them cats, but that would have been too on the nose.
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>>1966543
It just goes to show that the games industry can pander to feminists bullshit but when the chips are down they know exactly where their bread is buttered.
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>>1966543
>>1967991
they'll just make her a canon lesbian or trans
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>>1967898
>what drives someone to do this?
high testosterone levels
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>>1967898
i agree, could have taken just a romero hatchet and empty slow.
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>>1968259
slot*
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reminder the 1865 carbine outperforms literally everything within compounds (except for maybe dolchp) at 70 hunt dollars, and streamers have made multiple videos smearing it so people don't use it against them.

weapons smeared as memes/shit
>bomblance (can use bolt thrower now, improved projectiles, very common free traits now with the bears around)
>dual conversions (very accurate up to 20m, wipes trios easily, part of the "counter shotguns" niche like the carbine, wallbang spam)
>1865 carbine (140 damage with winfield firerate, very fast reload, high capacity, very clean ironsights, 2 taps arms and legs from like 50m)
>bornheim silencer (really spammable and accurate, very fast reload, the silencer actually lets you get away with some extra shots)
>rival or terminus levering with dragonbreath (rival DB is better than buckshot 2tap-wise, terminus is the same but has the burning aswell, burns downed hunters to 25health if they get revived at all, extremely good in boss compounds)
>sparks pistol (basically the only pocket sniper now, reload speed has been buffed multiple times, does 149 dmg, high drop-range)
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>>1968336
sorry, 1865 carbine does 145 damage, not 140.
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the ''non-event'' season feels more like an event at this point
fucking milking it crytek
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>>1968347
vanilla hunt feels empty and bleeds players like hell, i prefer having event compounds and spending pledgemarks on cash and traits
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>>1968351
Yeah, I'm excited for the patch and new event but at the same time simpler Hunt feels refreshing
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>>1968355
i got sick of events when they had the alarming totems and they were still around while everyone had completed the battlepass, but now i'm just liking the seasonal aspect of hunt, things are less intrusive the past few events. the previous event was basically just a battlepass with a bounty cache aswell.
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>>1968359
except for the time they gave the 1865 carbine challenge and every match was spamming it at you, that must have been the worst 2 weeks i played hunt.
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>>1968257
>implying my "cannon" cares about cyteks canon.
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Anyone else find the aperture sight on the 1865 useless? Seems to me they set the range too low.
Got a shitty view even amongst other aperture guns.
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>>1968513
i never use aperture sights because they're weird/shitty but its a 60m< gun anyway, its seriously good close range. also the silencer variant is pretty useless since the vetterli silencer exists, which is also really great these days since the fire rate buffs.
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>>1968536
I guess I just don't get the logic behind it. The 1865 is a beast at close range, but aperture sights are more sharp-shootery but setting the range so low doesn't give you the benefit of making head clicking at range easier only the negetive of a shitier sight profile.
The other aperture guns have more headroom in the circle making them better at range.
I just don't get Crytek sometimes...
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>>1968691
just wacky variant filler
same reason the lemat carbine has a marksman variant and centennial a sniper variant
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>>1968715
The thing is I actually enjoy the "filler" weapons for instance I like the obrez match, but goddamn does crytek implement shit in the worst ways sometimes.
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>>1968715
what's wrong with centennial sniper?
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>>1967959
>no effective weapon outside of 10m
yeah no youre right nothing wrong with it, bet you play traps too, nigger
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>>1968336
muzzle velocity is abysmal though, especially with fmj; its too inconsistent at moving targets you have to go for hard reads every time.
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>>1968919
3 tool slots were dedicated to traps, thank you very much
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>>1968935
you don't need FMJ on it, wallpen nerfs has ruined it all anyway. velocity is good enough for its intended range.
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>>1968941
kys yourself
>>1968942
qrd me on the wallpen changes i've been in and out since nu engine
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>>1968814
>obrez match
>variant filler
i don't think you know what that means
>>1968957
>qrd me on the wallpen changes
they made it essentially non existent, long ammo was doing like 20dmg
then they unnerfed it and nobody has done an analysis but it still seems pretty shit
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>>1969024
>obrez match
>variant filler
>i don't think you know what that means
You're saying that as if when that weapon was announced there weren't countless "whats the point of this weapon" posts.
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>>1969065
it was the first medium slot long ammo weapon and only idiots asked that question
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>>1969070
The obrez match is the carbine mosin its full size.
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>>1969073
oh yeah i'm dumb
well it's cheap access to long ammo with mild trade off
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>>1969086
shitter you probably haven't even read 1000 lore entries on cryteks website
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how come EU server low 4 stars are basically like US servers' high 6 stars?
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>>1968957
Vigilant costs 1 (one) perk point, you scrub
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>>1969447
I have no problem fighting it, im just saying the shoe fits for a scrub playstyle, faggot
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>>1969616
u mad? u mad
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Friendly reminder that the Obrez Drum gets 25 total rounds, the highest of any long ammo gun, and it's only downside compared to full length rifles is more recoil + slightly more sway.
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there is no reason not to trap as a solo thoughbeit
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>>1969895
i love the medium slot loadouts but i notice i just can't hit shit with the high sway compared to fullsized guns.
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>>1969619
>sucks cock
>be told its gay to suck cock
>bro u just mad
uh huh
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>>1970497
>cock analogy
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as soon as the new event starts, i'll be solo camping the spider nest with shotgun, 3 trap slots and frontiersman, perhaps some dark satchels aswell.
don't take it personal.
i hope it has a lot of grass on the outside.
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>>1970729
update: i just watched trailer again and i've seen the compound is quite big with multiple entries, and there are patches of grass outside. i will definitely be putting shit inside especially.
hopefully they still have catalyst upgrade frontiersman so we can carry 5 killtraps with 8 alert trips or 5 beartraps minus toolboxes.



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