No.

>>1946834
Fucking cunt. You need to forgive the devs man it's still in fucking early access? Why yall act like it's the full version already? Can't you finna realize things change when it's in EARLY ACCESS? If you're going to play an Early Access game keep an open mind.

>>1947211
Fucking this man. Someone is speaking real shit!

>>1946476
This is sound advice. I am dropping everything and joining right now.

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>>1946476
I havent played since before their "chinese new year vacation" or whatever they called it.
>Patch comes out making Barbarian fast as shit, and extremely overpowered
>Longsword in its normal insane state
>Vacation for 2 full weeks
>Patch afterwards comes out, small bug fixes, nothing memorable (4 days later)
>Next week 4-7ish days later was another nothing patch
I stopped playing here, but kept checking patchnotes for a while
>New season comes out-PVE baby mode added
>PVE baby mode balancing
>Stopping players from harming each other in PVE baby mode
>PVE baby mode being removed
Finally a good patch
I played a few games here of forced trios but thanks to solos and duos, I cant 1vs1 players depending on their class let alone 1vs3 players anymore. The game from the playtests is long gone now...
>Removal of solos and duos!!!!
>Renig on removal of solos and duos after only about a week

I really havent played much in a long time. No content has been added, Ive played the game for more than 2 hours so I dont need a PVE tutorial mode, I was promised the Monk and Pirate Map but both got delayed because the game went free2claim on epic so suddenly overnight the playerbase now wanted the exact opposite of what they wanted prior? Trios only has been removed, so we're taking another step backwards towards casualization. Its just really frustrating. The playtest game was so much better.

>>1946476
Didn't they promise more utility spells for Wizard before/during the Sorc release? Instead of Knock we get a shitty magic lock spell and Sorc is honestly the more supporty class, I would kill for mud shield in this meta.

>>1949715
Fresh wipes feel like the playtest for a few days, so that feeling will never go away unless they fuck up gear/class balance again on a wipe. They honestly need to rush out the new classes, Paladin alone would get a shit ton of people trying their game.

Besides the already posted about issues in this thread amd class balance being schizophrenic there is 2 big issues with the game right now

> 1. Continous dungeon
A feature no one but SDF wanted so that you can spawn into a dungeon with half the time gone, every enemy killed or chest looted, every escape portal used, and a good chance of spawning right next to someone or having someone spawn behind you. Its a retarded system that has had constant complaints since its inception and has ruined the old feeling of entering a dungeon.

> 2. NO GEAR BRACKETS
This convinced me that the developers have their fingers in the RMT pie as only after a bunch of updates that only made sense to be beneficial if you are a RMT buyer/seller tanked the playerbase to 1/10ths of what it was for years did they decide that having timmy in starting gear spawn in with kiggerniller69 who has all unique gemmed gear and a artifact weapon was okay. For a game with already insane balance issues I wont elaborate on why this is retarded.

Ill come back for the new map release briefly but if the game keeps making thw most insane choices in regards to mew features/balance I may uninstall forever.

>>1953439
Devs are definitely in on the RMT, when they made the game for free on epic for a day that told me it all. Then when epic removed their version almost immediately the devs come out saying they are working on a solution.

Its not surprising, but they do seem to hide it better than the Tarkov devs.

ryan6days game + project vision , last hopes of a game similar to this

games with wipes are poorly designed

Arena FPS is just gay and boring. No matter how you coat it. Having massive gear differences also make everything worse.

Get rid of random rolls and rarity tiers then make variations of the weapons with slightly different abilities, like in TF2. You can turn the artifacts into these as well

>new water themed map comes out
>the ability to fish (which was in the mobile version) is not included
>wood cutting is
I hate these retards so much

## Early Access Season #7
@everyone,We will be deploying Season #7 starting at <t:1758654000>.
When the patch starts, you will not be able to log in to the game and players in-game will not be able to enter the matchmaking pool during this time.
Players in a match or in-game will have 40 minutes to complete their match and exit safely.
The server will return to full service 4 hours after the patch starts.

During maintenance, all services, including the website, may be temporarily suspended to update various servers.

**Bugfixes:**
- Fixed an issue where Sorcerer’s Lightning Mastery could bounce back to the caster.
- Fixed an issue where swapping items immediately after using Bard’s skill could cause the skill’s effect to not apply.
- Fixed an issue in Goblin Cave, within Goblin Town A and B modules, where only certain classes could climb the terrain.
- Fixed an issue where the Survival Bow could appear bent like the Recurve Bow when drawn.
- Fixed an issue where sounds might not play when swinging weapons or using utility items.
- Fixed an issue where Barbarian’s Savage Roar might not function correctly if used when monsters summoned by a boss were getting up.
- Fixed an issue where the Mimic might not attack the target it interacted with.
- Fixed an issue where, after blocking a projectile thrown by a Frost Imp, swinging a weapon could cause attacks to be blocked midair.
- Fixed an issue in The Frost Mountain - Ice Cavern, Quarry module, where some monsters could fail to climb hills.

>>1976214
- Fixed an issue where a solo player who teamed up with a pre-made duo through random matchmaking might not appear in the Recent Party Members list after leaving the dungeon.
- Fixed an issue where leveling up through quest reward experience might not update correctly on party members’ screens.
- Fixed an issue where chat messages from blocked party members could still appear in the chat window.
- Fixed an issue where players who set My Status to offline could still appear in the player list.
- Fixed an issue where equipping certain gear on Skeleton-type races could cause the model to appear clipped.
- Fixed an issue where, if a Nameplate Skin was equipped while My Status was set to offline, other players could still tell whether the user was online.
- Fixed an issue where the sound of the first item listed in the Marketplace could play every time the player exited the Marketplace.
**Game Updates:**
- The anti-cheat system has been further strengthened to effectively counter various cheats. This is aimed at providing a fairer gaming environment, and the scope of its application will be gradually expanded.
- If a security vulnerability is detected on your local PC in the future, preventing the game from running normally, you can refer to the FAQ at the link below for a solution: https://darkanddarker.com/support/search/41049252306836
- If you need assistance at any time, please submit a ticket through our website, and we will do our best to help you.
- The Twitch Drops Campaign will run from September 26 to October 5.
- A new season has begun. Experience brand-new content and features.
- Early Access Season 6 and 6.9 Rank Rewards are now available to claim.

>>1976215
- New Cosmetic items have been added to the Shop.
- A new Seasonal Pack is available. Check the Shop for details.
- The Dungeon Selection screen has been improved into a campaign book format.
- A new dungeon, ‘The Blue Maelstrom’ (Normal), has been added.
- The new ‘Squires to Riches’ mode has been added.
- The Faustian Bargain feature has been added.
- A new Woodcutting feature has been added. Try chopping down trees placed in dungeons.
- The Druid’s Penguin Form has been added.
- New Armor and Weapons have been added.
- A guard function has been added to all weapons without secondary attacks. Guard is activated with Right Click for main-hand weapons and with Left Click for off-hand weapons.
- Additionally, the Rapier has been given a Riposte attack.
- Sound effects have been improved so that weapon strikes better reflect the material of the target.
- Certain actions of the Nightmare Living Armor have been adjusted.
- Solo, Duo, and Trio Adventure Ranks have been unified.
- The ‘Hall of Fame’ has been added to the Leaderboard.
- You can no longer view the Account Names of players who are not on your friends list.
- A new Merchant, the 'Navigator', has been added.
- A new Repeatable Quest system has been added. Certain quests now reset daily or weekly, allowing you to continuously earn rewards.

>>1976217
**Balance Updates:**
**General**
- Headshot damage multiplier has been reduced from 200% to 175%.
- Health of Living Statues has been reduced.
- Gem Socketing costs for low rarity gems have been reduced: Uncommon 30 10, Rare 50 20.

**Fighter**
- Combo Attack: Grants 10% bonus physical damage per stack for consecutive melee attacks within 2 seconds, stacking up to 2 times.
- Adrenaline Spike: Additionally, you gain a 3% movement speed bonus and 30% regular interaction speed, do not receive the penalty for using the Adrenaline Rush skill, and the cooldown has been reduced from 60 seconds to 28 seconds.
- Slayer: Grants an additional 10 movement speed.
- Projectile Resistance: Additionaly, reduces projectile damage by 15% while in defensive stance.
- Weapon Mastery: No longer applies any penalty.
- Defense Mastery: Defense rating bonus increased from 10% to 15%.
- Barricade: Defense rating and magic resistance increased from 50 to 75.
- Victory Strike: Physical damage bonus has been increased from 20% to 40%, and the health restoration effect has been removed. If this attack kills a player, the skill will trigger again with no cooldown. (In the next patch, the name will be changed to “Finishing Blow”.)
- Perfect Block: Duration increased from 6 seconds to 8 seconds.
- Spell Reflection: Grants a constant 15% magic damage reduction until a spell is reflected when the skill is active.
- Shield Slam: Physical damage reduced from 45 to 30.
- Taunt: Increases monster aggro by 50% to 300% when used.

>>1976218
**Barbarian**
- Savage: Gains 1 Impact instead of Impact Resistance.
- Crush: When wielding a two-handed weapon, can destroy reinforced doors and chests with one strike, and gains 1 Impact while wielding a two-handed weapon.
- Carnage: Striking 2 or more players with a melee weapon within 1.5 seconds grants 40% bonus physical damage for 3 seconds.
- Executioner: Increases headshot damage with axes from 10% to 20%.
- Treacherous Lungs: Grants an additional 10% cooldown reduction.
- Blood Exchange: Reduces maximum health by 10% when the skill is used and restores 10% of damage dealt during the skill duration.
- War Sacrifice: Increases all attribute gains from the skill from 5 to 8, while reducing duration from 12 seconds to 8 seconds.
- War Cry: Duration increased from 7 seconds to 10 seconds.

**Rogue**
- Dagger Expert: Physical damage bonus increased from 10% to 15%, and additionally grants 1 true physical damage.
- Thrust: Armor penetration increased from 20% to 25%.
- Creep: Gains an additional 10% movement speed while crouching and walking.
- Back Attack: The angle for detecting back attacks increased from 90° to 120°.
- Caltrops: Automatically recovers every 28 seconds. Can be stored up to 3 times.
- Smoke Pot: Automatically recovers every 60 seconds, and movement speed penalty inside smoke reduced from 10% to 5%.

**Ranger**
- Trap Mastery: Installs trap-type items instantly and retrieves them when disarmed.
- Camping Mastery: Installs campfires instantly and doubles their duration.
- Purge Shot: Changed from a skill to a passive effect, removing one random magical buff from the target with each ranged weapon hit and dealing 3 true magical damage.
- Field Ration: Healing amount increased from 25 to 40, quantity reduced from 3 to 2, and can now be replenished using a campfire.
- Forceful Shot: Duration increased from 8 seconds to 10 seconds.
- Penetrating Shot: Additionally, Attacks with bows and crossbows now pierce targets.

>>1976221
**Wizard**
- Melt: Applies an additional 10% projectile damage reduction penalty.
- Sage: Knowledge bonus increased from 10% to 15%.

**Cleric**
- Brewmaster: Increases the duration of drunken effects by 50%.
- Holy Water: Additionally, harmful magic effects are removed and blessing effects are applied.
- Kindness: Healing amount increased from 15% to 30%.
- Requiem: Additionally, reduces ally resurrection time by 50% when using resurrection spells.

**Bard**
- Lore Mastery: General interaction speed increased from 25% to 30% and additionally grants 5 extra memory capacity.
- Rapier Mastery: Weapon attack increased from 2 to 3.
- Melodic Protection: Physical damage reduction changed from 30% to 25% and magic damage reduction set to 25%.
- Story Teller: Will increase changed from 3 to 5.
- Wanderer's Luck: Luck increased from 50 to 100.
- Encore: Resets the duration of all music buffs applied to nearby party members.
- Party Maker: Grants all nearby allies a 15-second immunity to intoxication; drinking while immune restores 5 health.
- Tranquility: Additional health recovered during rest increased from 1 to 2, duration changed from 10/20/30 seconds to 10/15/20 seconds.
- Song of Shadow: Duration increased from 10/15/20 seconds to 10/20/30 seconds.
- Din of Darkness: Dark magic damage attribute bonus ratio increased from 0.06/0.09/0.12 to 0.16/0.33/0.5.
- Piercing Shrill: Physical damage increased from 15/20/25 to 20/25/30.

>>1976222
**Warlock**
- Dark Enhancement: Spell power bonus increased from 10% to 20%.
- Soul Collector: The condition for consuming Dark Shards has changed from casting a Dark magic spell to dealing Dark magic damage.
- Immortal Lament: When health falls below 5%, magic healing bonus is increased by 100% for 5 seconds.
- Infernal Pledge: Damage reduction from Undead and Demons has been increased from 25% to 40%.
- Malice: Will increase changed from 10% to 15%.
- Dark Reflection: Dark magic damage increased from 10 to 15.
- Dark Offering: Duration increased from 15 seconds to 45 seconds.
- Exploitation Strike: Now applies only to unarmed attacks instead of physical attacks, and its duration has been increased from 4 seconds to 15 seconds. Bonus magic damage has been increased from 4 15, and health restoration has been increased from 5% 10%.
- Phantomize: Cancel motion has been added.
- Ray of Darkness: Beam size increased, making it easier to hit targets.
- Eldritch Shield: Duration increased from 4 seconds to 6 seconds. During the effect, Dark magic damage bonus increased from 20% to 30%, and Dark magic casting speed is increased by 50%

**Druid**
- Shapeshift Mastery: Instead of a magic damage penalty, you can no longer use elemental spirit spells.
- Natural Healing: Grants a 10% bonus to magic healing attributes.
- Herbal Sensing: Detects a wider area and increases the chance of harvesting higher-grade herbs.
- Barkskin Armor: Defense rating increase raised from 25 to 50, and can now be cast on targets other than yourself.
- Insect Predation: Fixed an issue where health recovery did not scale properly with resourcefulness.

>>1976225
**Sorcerer**
- Time Distortion: Magic damage bonus penalty reduced from 25% to 15%. Each spell cast reduces action speed and movement speed by 3% up to 5 times. The debuff lasts 8 seconds and is removed after the duration ends.
- Spell Stride: Movement speed bonus increased from 5% to 25%.
- Lightning Mastery: Grants an additional 25% Lightning magic damage bonus, and the activation interval of Lightning magic damage is reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.
- Elemental Fury: Gains an additional 0.1% movement speed bonus for every 1% of health lost.
- Windblast: Now activates 0.6 seconds after spell casting.
- Electric Dash: Expands the damage area upon arrival, dealing Lightning magic damage and applying Shock effects to a larger range. Lightning magic damage is reduced from 20 to 15.
- Earth Elemental: Defense rating increase raised from 30 to 50.
- Frost Lightning: Immobilizing duration on targets hit reduced from 2.0s to 1.75s.
- Lightning Vortex: Magical Damage reduced from 30 to 20.

**Item**
- Warlocks can now use the Kris Dagger.
- Weapon Damage of all Rapiers increased by 1.
- Weapon Damage of all Lantern Shields increased by 3.
- Weapon Damage of all Falchions decreased by 2.
- Crossbow: Weapon Damage increased by 2.
- Windlass Crossbow: Weapon Damage range now starts at 43 and increases in +2 increments(43~56)
- Maximum count of Arrows and Bolts has been adjusted to 30 and 20, respectively.
- New options added: Headshot Damage Bonus, Undead Damage Bonus, Undead Damage Reduction, Demon Damage Bonus, Demon Damage Reduction.

>>1976228
**Developer Comments:**
Welcome to EA Season #7. All character levels, items, stashes, inventory, reward tokens, karma, quests, affinity, and triumph levels have been reset. This season brings several large new features.

**The Ship Graveyard** – Test your sea-legs and head to the dangerous open waters with the release of the first chapter in a brand-new ‘The Blue Maelstrom’ campaign. Includes dozens of new monsters and two new bosses!

**Squires to Riches** - A new party focused PvP mode where everyone starts the adventure in low-end gear. Adventurers are placed into a random dungeon where they must scramble to find the best loot and outrun the foreboding Dark Swarm. Competition is fierce as you must secure one of the limited random portals to extract with your newfound riches.

**Faustian Bargain (Experimental!)** – Death in the dungeons doesn’t necessarily mean the end of an adventure. Show your fighting spirit in the dungeons and a mysterious figure may grant you a deal you can’t refuse with chance for ever sweet revenge.

**Perks and Skills** - Over 50+ changes to numerous underutilized perks and skills to improve build diversity of classes.

**Dozens of new items, weapons, and armors** - A plethora of new items including a new powerful hand cannon, a sea-worthy cutlass, and vibrant new equipment to stand out from the crowd and help improve build diversity.

**Hall of Fame** – Track your performance against the best of the best High-Roller adventurers to see who comes out on top each week.

**Unified Adventure Rank** – Adventurer Rank progress is now unified across all party sizes. You no longer need to start your Adventure Rank journey afresh just because a member of your crew decided to go to bed.

>>1976230
**New Seasonal DLC pack** – An amazing bundle of brand-new cosmetic items to get you in the sea-faring mood!

We have also decided to start this season with a two-week ‘Solo Self Found’ event based on the positive response from the previous season. This means that the Trading Post and Marketplace will not open until October 7, 2025.

We have also decided to commence the Adventure Rank season and the Religion feature right from the start of EA Season 7. For adventurers that participated in EAS 6 and EAS 6.9 (SSW) Adventure Rank seasons, be sure to redeem your rewards from both seasons through the ‘Leaderboard’ menu. The Arena season will commence slightly later on October 7, 2025.

Finally a small ‘Welcome Delivery’ pack will be given with an array of starting items to all players. Please collect your ‘Welcome Delivery’ pack from the Expressman’s ‘Post Express’ service tab. We thank you and see you in the dungeons!

>>1976222
>**Wizard**
>- Melt: Applies an additional 10% projectile damage reduction penalty.
>- Sage: Knowledge bonus increased from 10% to 15%.
This is so fucking sad. Wizard gets completely shafted because Sorcerer does everything he does, but better

>>1976243
Yes this was my take away, I was a wizard main but have not played all year. I am hoping there is some unlisted changes like at least makes magic lock able to unlock chest but I doubt it.

>>1976230
>@everyone, We apologize. Due to issues discovered during the patch process, maintenance is expected to continue for approximately 3 hours.

Every Single Time.

>>1976282
a lot of wiz are doin ignite weapon and rondel lately, seen i'd say more wiz than sorc lately as well
>>1976325
here i thought i'd do a few more races in sanic instead of getting sucked into silent hill because somehow i thought there wouldn't be multiple delays

>>1976597
Outside of arena Sorc is better than wiz. Problem is Wiz is extremely good in arenas and instead of balancing around that by maybe preventing spell regen inbetween round, the devs refuse to give them anything except nerfs to their overall performance. The spell reflect 15% MR buff is specifically targeted at wizards.

Fuck you'd probably just pop it and purposely tank fireballs as you run at the enemy.

>>1976214
future reference, you can just paste everything onto pastebin then post the link

water map is pretty cool, ngl

>>1977523
Unbalanced as fuck but fun, I like all the sea life but underwater combat sucks

>>1977784
I like it but it sucks for no shield classes, dunno how you're supposed to avoid attacks

>>1947211
>yall
>finna

>>1976214
>>1976215
>>1976217

I had literally given up on this game, but I have to say that this patch has renewed my hope. The general buffs across the board is great, the PVE is fun to fuck around in with little stress and the Squires to Riches is now my friends and my main/primary mode. It'd just a great patch overall.
I really didn't think they had it in them.
I am still not buying Legendary Status, but its a solid patch and I am going to play more and see how they manage the future patches.

Again, god damn Squire to Riches is just such a great mode for pvp.
The only thing they could do to make PVP better is change arena to be a mode with normalized stats and gear. As in, no stat checks, everyone enters even and fights it out that way (but I dont own legend so that says how i have little interest in it until something like this is accomplished).

i didn't realize I wanted penguin submarine gameplay but here we are.

Is the patch as game changing as they were advertising?

>>1978717
The class changes have shaken up the meta enough that no specific class feels like an instant loss against it, the new map is pretty cool along with the new squire to riches mode being fun.

I wish they dropped the whole dungeon crawling nonsense and expanded the water map to a whole separate new game where you get to play different animals in a persistent open world PvP game.

I've had more fun playing penguin submarine the past couple of nights than probably the past couple years of regular DaD combined. I'm the underwater apex predator (right after the shark).

is squire to riches just 0 gear score lobbies? or is there some nuance?

>>1978438
a separate normalized arena would be fine, I would love lots of various arena modes. but the current system they have works good. run through the dungeons to do your quests, craft items, finalize your kit, and then put it to the test in arena. part of the game is gearing, that's just how it is. you could leave ranked arena as is on the timed schedule, and then have other wacky modes throughout the week. I want FFA, 2v2v2v2, 6v6, on goofy maps like a shanty town from the water map, or two big boats next to each other with gangplanks in between.

Goddamn this game suffers hard from playing with randoms in regards to the quality of your team mates, 8/10 games I get actual retards or actively malicious randoms. Though sometimes I do get some people of the same wavelength and we make it to inferno winning every team fight and escape with great loot.

>>1980603
Squires to riches is trios only random map and you can only bring in common(white) quality items. This doesnt stop you from bringing in a gorillion cheap potions and bandages or queueing up solo if you wanna rat around. My only complaint is how continous ruins it because besides it almost being guranteed that your gonna be third partied but wiping a team just means a new healthy team gets spawned in their place.

Havent played in a year, is the grinding still miserably numb for this game? I remember loving everything else but actually getting ahead was fucking stupidly slow no matter what you did

>>1980948
just do pve mode to get ur quests done m8,me personally i aint doin pve mode so my quests will get done when/if they get done, ill still check shit that upgrades squire/keep an eye out for those quests but cant be assed for the rest rlly

>>1980948
drop rates were pumped big time you get blues and purples right off the rip in the spawn room chests. you can ignore quests generally but if you're ocd about it you won't like it.

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>>1981080
>pve mode
do niggers really?

>>1981318
>PvE
Yes, how exactly did you stupid faggots think this would go after an entire year of whining and refusing to compromise over balancing gear disparity?
You fags literally almost killed the game in your endless crying about maintaining the gear disparity and stat check meta.
So they added PvE, because no one wants to fight tooth and nail thru a dungeon, casually learning as they go, only to get curb stomped by some cunt with BIS who doesn't even bother to loot you except your pots because they know you're not worth it.

Like I get it takes time to learn and git gud, but Jesus man, you can't deny this shit was fucking lopsided as hell and at the end of the day, a PvE mode was a logical outgrowth and conclusion to the battle over balancing gear or keeping the current stat check meta.

>>1982277
Me? I would love for the game to be 100% skill based I find the general gameplay to be an absolute joke. Like a high schooler's survival game project.
The player interactions is the only reason to play this slop.
The PvE elements of this game are pure sewage

>>1981080
They really need to cut back on the Quest, so much "kill these mobs" or "go to this module and escape alive" Just to get them out of the way I go to PVE because I want to make sure I can craft shit for arena

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>Questing in normals on mostly naked Barb in greys
>Rogue in BiS normals gear wants to fight
>W key him with grey felling axe
lol, lmao even!

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>>1983110
Based barb enjoyer

Anyone who has success in this game I ask what I should build if I’m playing fighter or ranger thank you. I feel like my builds are bad.

>>1986833
Longsword fighter is a trap unless you have super low latency and even then its risky but when you do parry people you one tap them. I would just go slayer build on low gear. High gear is probably something like rondel buckler in full plate with MS perks/gear

A good ranger with backstep is near unkillable, also works under water. low gear is just recurv/longbow at high gear with action speed and true damage survival bow is OP

>>1987213
I don’t have slayer figured out because I’ll shoot them and then all in but I just feel so squishy and get killed. Do you windlass with slayer or ranger? What about spear back step or shotgun blast? Thanks also is it just me or are explosive bottles/lanterns garbage.

>>1987393
>>1987213
This is mainly my gripe playing fighter too because especially starting out I feel barbs stat check me. I haven’t gotten far yet tho, like I’ll shoot barbs playing fighter a lot but they still fucking kick my ass. I also struggle against barbs and fighters when I’m playing ranger

>>1987393
Slayer with adren skill and perk then you hold left click with a sword weapon. You should not need sprint but it depends on the lobby if there are a lot of people kiting. Windlass takes to long to load especially on fighter so I would use a bow or crossbow instead.

On ranger one of my favorite no gear build is crossbow mastery and just a regular crossbow, then spear/backstep. Shotgun has been meh for awhile, they changed the point at which it fans out so if someone is in your face it will shoot past them and again depending on latency it may miss them point blank.

Explosive bottles are just free chip damage but ya pretty useless unless killing a rat druid or finding a rogue in stealth.

>>1987396
Base kit barb is probably the best in squire gear class RN. Felling axe right now hits like a truck so if you see it bait out a wiff then hit them. Only good bards seem to counter good barbs right now thanks to their action speed/MS

if I want to primarily boss and kill minibosses like skeleton champ, demon centaur and stuff and basically just dunk on the pve but still be effective in pvp, is longsword fighter with crossbow a good way to play like that? What will fuck me

>>1987513
I really like bard and warlock for bidding. Long sword fighter is really good against some bosses too if you land parry, but I find either the ping ir latency it’s too much of a gamble for pvp

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>>1987396
>>1987393
After some testing I think Slayer is pretty good, it has decent action speed even in base kit allowing to you to bait out rogues/kiters by switching to your cross bow or potion and back to melee weapons. Funny enough I died soon after this to another slayer fighter

>>1989090
Damn you go second wind and adrenaline rush? I thought the meta was sprint and adrenaline rush.

>>1989372
Sprint is probably better, it just depends on how many people in a lobby are faster

What ever happened to Jaygriff? I remember him crashing out because the millionaire game dev wouldn't stop banging korean chicks to hang out w him. He was streaming GTAV to less than 80 people last time I saw him, crazy to think he was the biggest streamer for this game.

>>1991477
He was on the podcast with the people talking about how much of a nightmare the game devs were to work with. At first he was heavily defending the game but finally mentioned that outside of bug reports he and Graysun never really talked despite him being the biggest content creator at the time. Then Graysun either getting things lost in translation, being a huge schizo or both ranted paragraphs long at him and he decided to quit.

All that said I get the impression the devs never really liked him, it seemed they ignored all his opinions and would balance wizard around him routinely. With him gone maybe wizard can get some love.

>>1991492
>He was on the podcast with the people talking about how much of a nightmare the game devs were to work with
Jay doesn't "work" though, he plays video games in front of an audience of less than 80 people

Terminally online twitch fags blew their loads because Jay crashed out, just for him to become an irrelevant GTAV streamer that gets 76 viewers. Graysun is a literal millionaire knee deep in korean pussy, who tf expects him to hang out with a megadepressed person like Jay? (aside from Redditors such as yourself)

>>1991512
Calm down greysun

>>1991477
>>1991492
wtf what is this entitlement?
Why is it expected for devs to talk to retarded streamers?

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Gobo Gang rise up

I cant decide which class I hate more, rogue or barbarians.

Bargain needs to be changed.
I think they should make it more akin to playing as a scav in Tarkov.
1: you can not play as mini bosses.
2: you choose to enter a map as an NPC with a bargain point, not when you die.
3: you can enter norms or HR (hr costs gold as well)
4: you may loot items off players bodies and other NPCs (cannot open chests etc)
5: if you survive until the map ends/closes you extract and keep the loot and it goes to the goblin (or watchman, which ever is best for balance).
6: if you extract you are refunded your bargain point (maybe not?).

Basically this would normalize the process of playing as an NPC.
It's a choice you make when you queue, not when you die.
The way you can die and then respawn to rush someone down with zero mob aggro and try for a revenge kill is ridiculous and it's especially frustrating for more casual or new players.

I love the bargain mechanic, it's awesome, but it needs to be a functional choice and not a fucking revenge spawn mechanic.
This also fixes the issue of people wanting to just suicide and go bargain.

I want to main wizard so bad but I want to be able to fucking kill bosses

>>1993672
Bargain is fine for the most part, its good that you can't just spawn in as a monster at the start and you have to clear pve for it. Prevents shit like five gobos rushing you down at cave troll 2 min in while punishing the long game farmers who loot both bosses + gold with 4 min left like the clip here >>1992301 Plus once market opens up people are going to be running around in full purple sets making even player pve mobs a joke

I do agree you should not be mini bosses but if they insist on it give players a warning message and maybe a minimap ping + extra reward drops from it

>>1993828
>Prevents shit like five gobos rushing you down at cave troll 2 min in
Meh, I think you're upside down in your logic. 5 gobs rushing troll happens currently (we know this from countless complaints and videos as evidence) so the core of your argument is invalid.

However, if bargain is part of the matchmaking process, they can limit timings and number of bargain players in any given instance at a time.

Meanwhile, keeping the current situation, as you've argued for still allows for 5 gobs to rush down troll and it doesn't fix the issue of revenge rushes either, which are absolute 100% bullshit.
I kill a player and it's a hard fight, so I am low of supplies, next thing I know a player controlled goblin of that same player rushes me down and I have to have another battle. It's gay as fuck.

Ok realistically what’s the counter to Druid in solos nigga. Should I just never play casters or ranger. Panther poopy rapes me

>>1997982
slayer rapes nearly all classes currently bud. Druids get absolutely folded along with rogues, barbs, clerics, warlocks, bards, ranger and wizard. A good Sorc player can be tricky but can fold them in the end. Anyone who doesn't understand just how over tuned Slayer is right now frankly doesn't know shit about Dark and Darker lol

>>1998384
Alright so just pick slayer.

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>>1998384
Slayer is way overtuned at least in base kit gear, I've been using it to farm mobs for bargains. Have not messed with it in gear though. Like half of the fighter perks/abilities now give MS so something like slayer with gear would probably be near MS cap even with out sprint. Watched a clip of a streamer the other day crying that fighter was to slow, meanwhile hes full plate with sword and shield out chasing a rogue.

Also discovered flanged mace with a short sword still gets the sword perk benefit and melts people even faster.

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>>1997982
I think Wiz is actually good against druid, you can blow them up relatively quick but I hope you picked zorin for your religion, the spell pen is huge on them. Problem I notice now is everyone is running rogue so there are landmines everywhere, and people in HR tend to just run away. Normals just feels like bullying everyone but thats where the pvp is

if my bud mains barb, what should i play to duo with him for maximum effectiveness

>>1999457
Wizard or Bard in order to haste/invis or the movement speed songs from bard for him

How the fuck do I play sorcerer? Wizard is easy compared to this class. Iron will barb? Ice mastery Ice bolt, easy splash with fireball and then magic missile anyone who tries to run you down. There’s just so many sorcerer spells I get confused. I don’t even know where to start

>>2001721
Wizard is very spammy compared to sorc, the lose case for wizard is very rarely that you have completely run out of spells as compared to sorc its that you blowed your magical load to fast so now all your spells are on cooldown with no option but to run or try melee.

Generally you wanna choose your spells and merges with combos in mind like frost lightning to freeze them in place and then headshot with elemental bolt or levitate them into a lightning storm.

>>2001721
stack as much will and magic damage as possible, hit em with one of the elemental bolt spells then when they get close mud shield to protect yourself and plasma blast while screaming allah ackbar in game.

>>2002028
>>2002096
I’ll try this stuff thanks guys. Any idea how you guys best make money? I’m trying to get the religion skin but I failed last time

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>>2002150
Killing bosses or PvP, also just found out antiquated coins can be sold in market so go farm those dealmaker quest

>>2002177
How to best farm coins was gonna be my next question, I keep getting skeletons and I move too slow to find or to be able to hit anybody. Anytime I die all the bargains are gone too. Thanks for helping me out that’s good to know you can sell coins though

>>2002180
Water map until you have 1 affinity. Then gobo cave until you hit spider mummy gulag at 18 then go back to water map

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1aU8GHfgNWOHmoWx_iFbiyViZuWiVDdee5_a4ir7im1k/htmlview

Seems affinity just increases the pool of mobs you can spawn in as and in most cases they are worse mobs until like 42+. There are probably better ways to farm money because some days it took me a few hours just to finish the daily.

>>2002193
Thanks bro. It’s annoying not being able to bargain tho I guess I’ll just feed into people fast haha

>>2002235
The "meta" of bargaining is just to go wizard and blow up 10 boxes since for w/e reason they count. You can usually get it and die before anyone else. Knowing Ironmace instead of fixing this they will nerf wizard.

>>2002515
Destroying boxes and then dying makes it so you can bargain? I thought you needed to be killed by a player.

>>2002531
No, test it out go blow up boxes/chest until you hit 10 and you will have bargain

When both players are good, can a fighter beat a wizard

>>2002737
I’ve been having trouble beating any casters on fighter. Warlocks phantoms anway and sorcerers idk. I run into wizards this least but they also rape me

>>2002737
Plate prob no
Slayer yes but then you lose to plate/have to run

>>2002737
there is much more to the equation than that. who's geared in what? did the fighter bring MR pots? did the wizard bring prots? has the wizard just finished clearing and now need to sneak a meditate into the fight somewhere? does the fighter have sprint and adrenaline or is he running sprint and second wind? or is he a batshit shield fighter?

it's a pretty even matchup imo but it quickly swings out of balance depending on stuff and things, like most everything in this game.

I'm trying to figure out how a barbarian one shot me through Arcane shield + 125 health, he had a purple double axe but still that should not be enough damage. I thought they screwed up the headshot multiplier with AS/pot shields but I went in to a lobby naked and tested the numbers vs skeleton archers and it seems to remove the 1.75x multipler back to 1x, although archer mob numbers at exactly 0 armor seem to have a 1.5 hs multipler

There must be something weird about how all the headshot bonuses work with it.

>>2003306
I really have just been losing everything and thinking about just playing barb. It seems the most simple way to win for me even tho ppl say slayer is good idk what to build and I still just die to ppl and can’t even get started