No.

>>1946834
Fucking cunt. You need to forgive the devs man it's still in fucking early access? Why yall act like it's the full version already? Can't you finna realize things change when it's in EARLY ACCESS? If you're going to play an Early Access game keep an open mind.

>>1947211
Fucking this man. Someone is speaking real shit!

>>1946476
This is sound advice. I am dropping everything and joining right now.

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>>1946476
I havent played since before their "chinese new year vacation" or whatever they called it.
>Patch comes out making Barbarian fast as shit, and extremely overpowered
>Longsword in its normal insane state
>Vacation for 2 full weeks
>Patch afterwards comes out, small bug fixes, nothing memorable (4 days later)
>Next week 4-7ish days later was another nothing patch
I stopped playing here, but kept checking patchnotes for a while
>New season comes out-PVE baby mode added
>PVE baby mode balancing
>Stopping players from harming each other in PVE baby mode
>PVE baby mode being removed
Finally a good patch
I played a few games here of forced trios but thanks to solos and duos, I cant 1vs1 players depending on their class let alone 1vs3 players anymore. The game from the playtests is long gone now...
>Removal of solos and duos!!!!
>Renig on removal of solos and duos after only about a week

I really havent played much in a long time. No content has been added, Ive played the game for more than 2 hours so I dont need a PVE tutorial mode, I was promised the Monk and Pirate Map but both got delayed because the game went free2claim on epic so suddenly overnight the playerbase now wanted the exact opposite of what they wanted prior? Trios only has been removed, so we're taking another step backwards towards casualization. Its just really frustrating. The playtest game was so much better.

>>1946476
Didn't they promise more utility spells for Wizard before/during the Sorc release? Instead of Knock we get a shitty magic lock spell and Sorc is honestly the more supporty class, I would kill for mud shield in this meta.

>>1949715
Fresh wipes feel like the playtest for a few days, so that feeling will never go away unless they fuck up gear/class balance again on a wipe. They honestly need to rush out the new classes, Paladin alone would get a shit ton of people trying their game.

Besides the already posted about issues in this thread amd class balance being schizophrenic there is 2 big issues with the game right now

> 1. Continous dungeon
A feature no one but SDF wanted so that you can spawn into a dungeon with half the time gone, every enemy killed or chest looted, every escape portal used, and a good chance of spawning right next to someone or having someone spawn behind you. Its a retarded system that has had constant complaints since its inception and has ruined the old feeling of entering a dungeon.

> 2. NO GEAR BRACKETS
This convinced me that the developers have their fingers in the RMT pie as only after a bunch of updates that only made sense to be beneficial if you are a RMT buyer/seller tanked the playerbase to 1/10ths of what it was for years did they decide that having timmy in starting gear spawn in with kiggerniller69 who has all unique gemmed gear and a artifact weapon was okay. For a game with already insane balance issues I wont elaborate on why this is retarded.

Ill come back for the new map release briefly but if the game keeps making thw most insane choices in regards to mew features/balance I may uninstall forever.

>>1953439
Devs are definitely in on the RMT, when they made the game for free on epic for a day that told me it all. Then when epic removed their version almost immediately the devs come out saying they are working on a solution.

Its not surprising, but they do seem to hide it better than the Tarkov devs.

ryan6days game + project vision , last hopes of a game similar to this

games with wipes are poorly designed

Arena FPS is just gay and boring. No matter how you coat it. Having massive gear differences also make everything worse.

Get rid of random rolls and rarity tiers then make variations of the weapons with slightly different abilities, like in TF2. You can turn the artifacts into these as well

>new water themed map comes out
>the ability to fish (which was in the mobile version) is not included
>wood cutting is
I hate these retards so much

## Early Access Season #7
@everyone,We will be deploying Season #7 starting at <t:1758654000>.
When the patch starts, you will not be able to log in to the game and players in-game will not be able to enter the matchmaking pool during this time.
Players in a match or in-game will have 40 minutes to complete their match and exit safely.
The server will return to full service 4 hours after the patch starts.

During maintenance, all services, including the website, may be temporarily suspended to update various servers.

**Bugfixes:**
- Fixed an issue where Sorcerer’s Lightning Mastery could bounce back to the caster.
- Fixed an issue where swapping items immediately after using Bard’s skill could cause the skill’s effect to not apply.
- Fixed an issue in Goblin Cave, within Goblin Town A and B modules, where only certain classes could climb the terrain.
- Fixed an issue where the Survival Bow could appear bent like the Recurve Bow when drawn.
- Fixed an issue where sounds might not play when swinging weapons or using utility items.
- Fixed an issue where Barbarian’s Savage Roar might not function correctly if used when monsters summoned by a boss were getting up.
- Fixed an issue where the Mimic might not attack the target it interacted with.
- Fixed an issue where, after blocking a projectile thrown by a Frost Imp, swinging a weapon could cause attacks to be blocked midair.
- Fixed an issue in The Frost Mountain - Ice Cavern, Quarry module, where some monsters could fail to climb hills.

>>1976214
- Fixed an issue where a solo player who teamed up with a pre-made duo through random matchmaking might not appear in the Recent Party Members list after leaving the dungeon.
- Fixed an issue where leveling up through quest reward experience might not update correctly on party members’ screens.
- Fixed an issue where chat messages from blocked party members could still appear in the chat window.
- Fixed an issue where players who set My Status to offline could still appear in the player list.
- Fixed an issue where equipping certain gear on Skeleton-type races could cause the model to appear clipped.
- Fixed an issue where, if a Nameplate Skin was equipped while My Status was set to offline, other players could still tell whether the user was online.
- Fixed an issue where the sound of the first item listed in the Marketplace could play every time the player exited the Marketplace.
**Game Updates:**
- The anti-cheat system has been further strengthened to effectively counter various cheats. This is aimed at providing a fairer gaming environment, and the scope of its application will be gradually expanded.
- If a security vulnerability is detected on your local PC in the future, preventing the game from running normally, you can refer to the FAQ at the link below for a solution: https://darkanddarker.com/support/search/41049252306836
- If you need assistance at any time, please submit a ticket through our website, and we will do our best to help you.
- The Twitch Drops Campaign will run from September 26 to October 5.
- A new season has begun. Experience brand-new content and features.
- Early Access Season 6 and 6.9 Rank Rewards are now available to claim.

>>1976215
- New Cosmetic items have been added to the Shop.
- A new Seasonal Pack is available. Check the Shop for details.
- The Dungeon Selection screen has been improved into a campaign book format.
- A new dungeon, ‘The Blue Maelstrom’ (Normal), has been added.
- The new ‘Squires to Riches’ mode has been added.
- The Faustian Bargain feature has been added.
- A new Woodcutting feature has been added. Try chopping down trees placed in dungeons.
- The Druid’s Penguin Form has been added.
- New Armor and Weapons have been added.
- A guard function has been added to all weapons without secondary attacks. Guard is activated with Right Click for main-hand weapons and with Left Click for off-hand weapons.
- Additionally, the Rapier has been given a Riposte attack.
- Sound effects have been improved so that weapon strikes better reflect the material of the target.
- Certain actions of the Nightmare Living Armor have been adjusted.
- Solo, Duo, and Trio Adventure Ranks have been unified.
- The ‘Hall of Fame’ has been added to the Leaderboard.
- You can no longer view the Account Names of players who are not on your friends list.
- A new Merchant, the 'Navigator', has been added.
- A new Repeatable Quest system has been added. Certain quests now reset daily or weekly, allowing you to continuously earn rewards.

>>1976217
**Balance Updates:**
**General**
- Headshot damage multiplier has been reduced from 200% to 175%.
- Health of Living Statues has been reduced.
- Gem Socketing costs for low rarity gems have been reduced: Uncommon 30 10, Rare 50 20.

**Fighter**
- Combo Attack: Grants 10% bonus physical damage per stack for consecutive melee attacks within 2 seconds, stacking up to 2 times.
- Adrenaline Spike: Additionally, you gain a 3% movement speed bonus and 30% regular interaction speed, do not receive the penalty for using the Adrenaline Rush skill, and the cooldown has been reduced from 60 seconds to 28 seconds.
- Slayer: Grants an additional 10 movement speed.
- Projectile Resistance: Additionaly, reduces projectile damage by 15% while in defensive stance.
- Weapon Mastery: No longer applies any penalty.
- Defense Mastery: Defense rating bonus increased from 10% to 15%.
- Barricade: Defense rating and magic resistance increased from 50 to 75.
- Victory Strike: Physical damage bonus has been increased from 20% to 40%, and the health restoration effect has been removed. If this attack kills a player, the skill will trigger again with no cooldown. (In the next patch, the name will be changed to “Finishing Blow”.)
- Perfect Block: Duration increased from 6 seconds to 8 seconds.
- Spell Reflection: Grants a constant 15% magic damage reduction until a spell is reflected when the skill is active.
- Shield Slam: Physical damage reduced from 45 to 30.
- Taunt: Increases monster aggro by 50% to 300% when used.

>>1976218
**Barbarian**
- Savage: Gains 1 Impact instead of Impact Resistance.
- Crush: When wielding a two-handed weapon, can destroy reinforced doors and chests with one strike, and gains 1 Impact while wielding a two-handed weapon.
- Carnage: Striking 2 or more players with a melee weapon within 1.5 seconds grants 40% bonus physical damage for 3 seconds.
- Executioner: Increases headshot damage with axes from 10% to 20%.
- Treacherous Lungs: Grants an additional 10% cooldown reduction.
- Blood Exchange: Reduces maximum health by 10% when the skill is used and restores 10% of damage dealt during the skill duration.
- War Sacrifice: Increases all attribute gains from the skill from 5 to 8, while reducing duration from 12 seconds to 8 seconds.
- War Cry: Duration increased from 7 seconds to 10 seconds.

**Rogue**
- Dagger Expert: Physical damage bonus increased from 10% to 15%, and additionally grants 1 true physical damage.
- Thrust: Armor penetration increased from 20% to 25%.
- Creep: Gains an additional 10% movement speed while crouching and walking.
- Back Attack: The angle for detecting back attacks increased from 90° to 120°.
- Caltrops: Automatically recovers every 28 seconds. Can be stored up to 3 times.
- Smoke Pot: Automatically recovers every 60 seconds, and movement speed penalty inside smoke reduced from 10% to 5%.

**Ranger**
- Trap Mastery: Installs trap-type items instantly and retrieves them when disarmed.
- Camping Mastery: Installs campfires instantly and doubles their duration.
- Purge Shot: Changed from a skill to a passive effect, removing one random magical buff from the target with each ranged weapon hit and dealing 3 true magical damage.
- Field Ration: Healing amount increased from 25 to 40, quantity reduced from 3 to 2, and can now be replenished using a campfire.
- Forceful Shot: Duration increased from 8 seconds to 10 seconds.
- Penetrating Shot: Additionally, Attacks with bows and crossbows now pierce targets.

>>1976221
**Wizard**
- Melt: Applies an additional 10% projectile damage reduction penalty.
- Sage: Knowledge bonus increased from 10% to 15%.

**Cleric**
- Brewmaster: Increases the duration of drunken effects by 50%.
- Holy Water: Additionally, harmful magic effects are removed and blessing effects are applied.
- Kindness: Healing amount increased from 15% to 30%.
- Requiem: Additionally, reduces ally resurrection time by 50% when using resurrection spells.

**Bard**
- Lore Mastery: General interaction speed increased from 25% to 30% and additionally grants 5 extra memory capacity.
- Rapier Mastery: Weapon attack increased from 2 to 3.
- Melodic Protection: Physical damage reduction changed from 30% to 25% and magic damage reduction set to 25%.
- Story Teller: Will increase changed from 3 to 5.
- Wanderer's Luck: Luck increased from 50 to 100.
- Encore: Resets the duration of all music buffs applied to nearby party members.
- Party Maker: Grants all nearby allies a 15-second immunity to intoxication; drinking while immune restores 5 health.
- Tranquility: Additional health recovered during rest increased from 1 to 2, duration changed from 10/20/30 seconds to 10/15/20 seconds.
- Song of Shadow: Duration increased from 10/15/20 seconds to 10/20/30 seconds.
- Din of Darkness: Dark magic damage attribute bonus ratio increased from 0.06/0.09/0.12 to 0.16/0.33/0.5.
- Piercing Shrill: Physical damage increased from 15/20/25 to 20/25/30.

>>1976222
**Warlock**
- Dark Enhancement: Spell power bonus increased from 10% to 20%.
- Soul Collector: The condition for consuming Dark Shards has changed from casting a Dark magic spell to dealing Dark magic damage.
- Immortal Lament: When health falls below 5%, magic healing bonus is increased by 100% for 5 seconds.
- Infernal Pledge: Damage reduction from Undead and Demons has been increased from 25% to 40%.
- Malice: Will increase changed from 10% to 15%.
- Dark Reflection: Dark magic damage increased from 10 to 15.
- Dark Offering: Duration increased from 15 seconds to 45 seconds.
- Exploitation Strike: Now applies only to unarmed attacks instead of physical attacks, and its duration has been increased from 4 seconds to 15 seconds. Bonus magic damage has been increased from 4 15, and health restoration has been increased from 5% 10%.
- Phantomize: Cancel motion has been added.
- Ray of Darkness: Beam size increased, making it easier to hit targets.
- Eldritch Shield: Duration increased from 4 seconds to 6 seconds. During the effect, Dark magic damage bonus increased from 20% to 30%, and Dark magic casting speed is increased by 50%

**Druid**
- Shapeshift Mastery: Instead of a magic damage penalty, you can no longer use elemental spirit spells.
- Natural Healing: Grants a 10% bonus to magic healing attributes.
- Herbal Sensing: Detects a wider area and increases the chance of harvesting higher-grade herbs.
- Barkskin Armor: Defense rating increase raised from 25 to 50, and can now be cast on targets other than yourself.
- Insect Predation: Fixed an issue where health recovery did not scale properly with resourcefulness.

>>1976225
**Sorcerer**
- Time Distortion: Magic damage bonus penalty reduced from 25% to 15%. Each spell cast reduces action speed and movement speed by 3% up to 5 times. The debuff lasts 8 seconds and is removed after the duration ends.
- Spell Stride: Movement speed bonus increased from 5% to 25%.
- Lightning Mastery: Grants an additional 25% Lightning magic damage bonus, and the activation interval of Lightning magic damage is reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.
- Elemental Fury: Gains an additional 0.1% movement speed bonus for every 1% of health lost.
- Windblast: Now activates 0.6 seconds after spell casting.
- Electric Dash: Expands the damage area upon arrival, dealing Lightning magic damage and applying Shock effects to a larger range. Lightning magic damage is reduced from 20 to 15.
- Earth Elemental: Defense rating increase raised from 30 to 50.
- Frost Lightning: Immobilizing duration on targets hit reduced from 2.0s to 1.75s.
- Lightning Vortex: Magical Damage reduced from 30 to 20.

**Item**
- Warlocks can now use the Kris Dagger.
- Weapon Damage of all Rapiers increased by 1.
- Weapon Damage of all Lantern Shields increased by 3.
- Weapon Damage of all Falchions decreased by 2.
- Crossbow: Weapon Damage increased by 2.
- Windlass Crossbow: Weapon Damage range now starts at 43 and increases in +2 increments(43~56)
- Maximum count of Arrows and Bolts has been adjusted to 30 and 20, respectively.
- New options added: Headshot Damage Bonus, Undead Damage Bonus, Undead Damage Reduction, Demon Damage Bonus, Demon Damage Reduction.

>>1976228
**Developer Comments:**
Welcome to EA Season #7. All character levels, items, stashes, inventory, reward tokens, karma, quests, affinity, and triumph levels have been reset. This season brings several large new features.

**The Ship Graveyard** – Test your sea-legs and head to the dangerous open waters with the release of the first chapter in a brand-new ‘The Blue Maelstrom’ campaign. Includes dozens of new monsters and two new bosses!

**Squires to Riches** - A new party focused PvP mode where everyone starts the adventure in low-end gear. Adventurers are placed into a random dungeon where they must scramble to find the best loot and outrun the foreboding Dark Swarm. Competition is fierce as you must secure one of the limited random portals to extract with your newfound riches.

**Faustian Bargain (Experimental!)** – Death in the dungeons doesn’t necessarily mean the end of an adventure. Show your fighting spirit in the dungeons and a mysterious figure may grant you a deal you can’t refuse with chance for ever sweet revenge.

**Perks and Skills** - Over 50+ changes to numerous underutilized perks and skills to improve build diversity of classes.

**Dozens of new items, weapons, and armors** - A plethora of new items including a new powerful hand cannon, a sea-worthy cutlass, and vibrant new equipment to stand out from the crowd and help improve build diversity.

**Hall of Fame** – Track your performance against the best of the best High-Roller adventurers to see who comes out on top each week.

**Unified Adventure Rank** – Adventurer Rank progress is now unified across all party sizes. You no longer need to start your Adventure Rank journey afresh just because a member of your crew decided to go to bed.

>>1976230
**New Seasonal DLC pack** – An amazing bundle of brand-new cosmetic items to get you in the sea-faring mood!

We have also decided to start this season with a two-week ‘Solo Self Found’ event based on the positive response from the previous season. This means that the Trading Post and Marketplace will not open until October 7, 2025.

We have also decided to commence the Adventure Rank season and the Religion feature right from the start of EA Season 7. For adventurers that participated in EAS 6 and EAS 6.9 (SSW) Adventure Rank seasons, be sure to redeem your rewards from both seasons through the ‘Leaderboard’ menu. The Arena season will commence slightly later on October 7, 2025.

Finally a small ‘Welcome Delivery’ pack will be given with an array of starting items to all players. Please collect your ‘Welcome Delivery’ pack from the Expressman’s ‘Post Express’ service tab. We thank you and see you in the dungeons!

>>1976222
>**Wizard**
>- Melt: Applies an additional 10% projectile damage reduction penalty.
>- Sage: Knowledge bonus increased from 10% to 15%.
This is so fucking sad. Wizard gets completely shafted because Sorcerer does everything he does, but better

>>1976243
Yes this was my take away, I was a wizard main but have not played all year. I am hoping there is some unlisted changes like at least makes magic lock able to unlock chest but I doubt it.

>>1976230
>@everyone, We apologize. Due to issues discovered during the patch process, maintenance is expected to continue for approximately 3 hours.

Every Single Time.

>>1976282
a lot of wiz are doin ignite weapon and rondel lately, seen i'd say more wiz than sorc lately as well
>>1976325
here i thought i'd do a few more races in sanic instead of getting sucked into silent hill because somehow i thought there wouldn't be multiple delays

>>1976597
Outside of arena Sorc is better than wiz. Problem is Wiz is extremely good in arenas and instead of balancing around that by maybe preventing spell regen inbetween round, the devs refuse to give them anything except nerfs to their overall performance. The spell reflect 15% MR buff is specifically targeted at wizards.

Fuck you'd probably just pop it and purposely tank fireballs as you run at the enemy.

>>1976214
future reference, you can just paste everything onto pastebin then post the link

water map is pretty cool, ngl

>>1977523
Unbalanced as fuck but fun, I like all the sea life but underwater combat sucks

>>1977784
I like it but it sucks for no shield classes, dunno how you're supposed to avoid attacks

>>1947211
>yall
>finna

>>1976214
>>1976215
>>1976217

I had literally given up on this game, but I have to say that this patch has renewed my hope. The general buffs across the board is great, the PVE is fun to fuck around in with little stress and the Squires to Riches is now my friends and my main/primary mode. It'd just a great patch overall.
I really didn't think they had it in them.
I am still not buying Legendary Status, but its a solid patch and I am going to play more and see how they manage the future patches.

Again, god damn Squire to Riches is just such a great mode for pvp.
The only thing they could do to make PVP better is change arena to be a mode with normalized stats and gear. As in, no stat checks, everyone enters even and fights it out that way (but I dont own legend so that says how i have little interest in it until something like this is accomplished).

i didn't realize I wanted penguin submarine gameplay but here we are.

Is the patch as game changing as they were advertising?

>>1978717
The class changes have shaken up the meta enough that no specific class feels like an instant loss against it, the new map is pretty cool along with the new squire to riches mode being fun.

I wish they dropped the whole dungeon crawling nonsense and expanded the water map to a whole separate new game where you get to play different animals in a persistent open world PvP game.

I've had more fun playing penguin submarine the past couple of nights than probably the past couple years of regular DaD combined. I'm the underwater apex predator (right after the shark).

is squire to riches just 0 gear score lobbies? or is there some nuance?

>>1978438
a separate normalized arena would be fine, I would love lots of various arena modes. but the current system they have works good. run through the dungeons to do your quests, craft items, finalize your kit, and then put it to the test in arena. part of the game is gearing, that's just how it is. you could leave ranked arena as is on the timed schedule, and then have other wacky modes throughout the week. I want FFA, 2v2v2v2, 6v6, on goofy maps like a shanty town from the water map, or two big boats next to each other with gangplanks in between.

Goddamn this game suffers hard from playing with randoms in regards to the quality of your team mates, 8/10 games I get actual retards or actively malicious randoms. Though sometimes I do get some people of the same wavelength and we make it to inferno winning every team fight and escape with great loot.

>>1980603
Squires to riches is trios only random map and you can only bring in common(white) quality items. This doesnt stop you from bringing in a gorillion cheap potions and bandages or queueing up solo if you wanna rat around. My only complaint is how continous ruins it because besides it almost being guranteed that your gonna be third partied but wiping a team just means a new healthy team gets spawned in their place.

Havent played in a year, is the grinding still miserably numb for this game? I remember loving everything else but actually getting ahead was fucking stupidly slow no matter what you did

>>1980948
just do pve mode to get ur quests done m8,me personally i aint doin pve mode so my quests will get done when/if they get done, ill still check shit that upgrades squire/keep an eye out for those quests but cant be assed for the rest rlly

>>1980948
drop rates were pumped big time you get blues and purples right off the rip in the spawn room chests. you can ignore quests generally but if you're ocd about it you won't like it.

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>>1981080
>pve mode
do niggers really?

>>1981318
>PvE
Yes, how exactly did you stupid faggots think this would go after an entire year of whining and refusing to compromise over balancing gear disparity?
You fags literally almost killed the game in your endless crying about maintaining the gear disparity and stat check meta.
So they added PvE, because no one wants to fight tooth and nail thru a dungeon, casually learning as they go, only to get curb stomped by some cunt with BIS who doesn't even bother to loot you except your pots because they know you're not worth it.

Like I get it takes time to learn and git gud, but Jesus man, you can't deny this shit was fucking lopsided as hell and at the end of the day, a PvE mode was a logical outgrowth and conclusion to the battle over balancing gear or keeping the current stat check meta.

>>1982277
Me? I would love for the game to be 100% skill based I find the general gameplay to be an absolute joke. Like a high schooler's survival game project.
The player interactions is the only reason to play this slop.
The PvE elements of this game are pure sewage

>>1981080
They really need to cut back on the Quest, so much "kill these mobs" or "go to this module and escape alive" Just to get them out of the way I go to PVE because I want to make sure I can craft shit for arena

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>Questing in normals on mostly naked Barb in greys
>Rogue in BiS normals gear wants to fight
>W key him with grey felling axe
lol, lmao even!

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>>1983110
Based barb enjoyer

Anyone who has success in this game I ask what I should build if I’m playing fighter or ranger thank you. I feel like my builds are bad.

>>1986833
Longsword fighter is a trap unless you have super low latency and even then its risky but when you do parry people you one tap them. I would just go slayer build on low gear. High gear is probably something like rondel buckler in full plate with MS perks/gear

A good ranger with backstep is near unkillable, also works under water. low gear is just recurv/longbow at high gear with action speed and true damage survival bow is OP

>>1987213
I don’t have slayer figured out because I’ll shoot them and then all in but I just feel so squishy and get killed. Do you windlass with slayer or ranger? What about spear back step or shotgun blast? Thanks also is it just me or are explosive bottles/lanterns garbage.

>>1987393
>>1987213
This is mainly my gripe playing fighter too because especially starting out I feel barbs stat check me. I haven’t gotten far yet tho, like I’ll shoot barbs playing fighter a lot but they still fucking kick my ass. I also struggle against barbs and fighters when I’m playing ranger

>>1987393
Slayer with adren skill and perk then you hold left click with a sword weapon. You should not need sprint but it depends on the lobby if there are a lot of people kiting. Windlass takes to long to load especially on fighter so I would use a bow or crossbow instead.

On ranger one of my favorite no gear build is crossbow mastery and just a regular crossbow, then spear/backstep. Shotgun has been meh for awhile, they changed the point at which it fans out so if someone is in your face it will shoot past them and again depending on latency it may miss them point blank.

Explosive bottles are just free chip damage but ya pretty useless unless killing a rat druid or finding a rogue in stealth.

>>1987396
Base kit barb is probably the best in squire gear class RN. Felling axe right now hits like a truck so if you see it bait out a wiff then hit them. Only good bards seem to counter good barbs right now thanks to their action speed/MS

if I want to primarily boss and kill minibosses like skeleton champ, demon centaur and stuff and basically just dunk on the pve but still be effective in pvp, is longsword fighter with crossbow a good way to play like that? What will fuck me

>>1987513
I really like bard and warlock for bidding. Long sword fighter is really good against some bosses too if you land parry, but I find either the ping ir latency it’s too much of a gamble for pvp

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>>1987396
>>1987393
After some testing I think Slayer is pretty good, it has decent action speed even in base kit allowing to you to bait out rogues/kiters by switching to your cross bow or potion and back to melee weapons. Funny enough I died soon after this to another slayer fighter

>>1989090
Damn you go second wind and adrenaline rush? I thought the meta was sprint and adrenaline rush.

>>1989372
Sprint is probably better, it just depends on how many people in a lobby are faster

What ever happened to Jaygriff? I remember him crashing out because the millionaire game dev wouldn't stop banging korean chicks to hang out w him. He was streaming GTAV to less than 80 people last time I saw him, crazy to think he was the biggest streamer for this game.

>>1991477
He was on the podcast with the people talking about how much of a nightmare the game devs were to work with. At first he was heavily defending the game but finally mentioned that outside of bug reports he and Graysun never really talked despite him being the biggest content creator at the time. Then Graysun either getting things lost in translation, being a huge schizo or both ranted paragraphs long at him and he decided to quit.

All that said I get the impression the devs never really liked him, it seemed they ignored all his opinions and would balance wizard around him routinely. With him gone maybe wizard can get some love.

>>1991492
>He was on the podcast with the people talking about how much of a nightmare the game devs were to work with
Jay doesn't "work" though, he plays video games in front of an audience of less than 80 people

Terminally online twitch fags blew their loads because Jay crashed out, just for him to become an irrelevant GTAV streamer that gets 76 viewers. Graysun is a literal millionaire knee deep in korean pussy, who tf expects him to hang out with a megadepressed person like Jay? (aside from Redditors such as yourself)

>>1991512
Calm down greysun

>>1991477
>>1991492
wtf what is this entitlement?
Why is it expected for devs to talk to retarded streamers?

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Gobo Gang rise up

I cant decide which class I hate more, rogue or barbarians.

Bargain needs to be changed.
I think they should make it more akin to playing as a scav in Tarkov.
1: you can not play as mini bosses.
2: you choose to enter a map as an NPC with a bargain point, not when you die.
3: you can enter norms or HR (hr costs gold as well)
4: you may loot items off players bodies and other NPCs (cannot open chests etc)
5: if you survive until the map ends/closes you extract and keep the loot and it goes to the goblin (or watchman, which ever is best for balance).
6: if you extract you are refunded your bargain point (maybe not?).

Basically this would normalize the process of playing as an NPC.
It's a choice you make when you queue, not when you die.
The way you can die and then respawn to rush someone down with zero mob aggro and try for a revenge kill is ridiculous and it's especially frustrating for more casual or new players.

I love the bargain mechanic, it's awesome, but it needs to be a functional choice and not a fucking revenge spawn mechanic.
This also fixes the issue of people wanting to just suicide and go bargain.

I want to main wizard so bad but I want to be able to fucking kill bosses

>>1993672
Bargain is fine for the most part, its good that you can't just spawn in as a monster at the start and you have to clear pve for it. Prevents shit like five gobos rushing you down at cave troll 2 min in while punishing the long game farmers who loot both bosses + gold with 4 min left like the clip here >>1992301 Plus once market opens up people are going to be running around in full purple sets making even player pve mobs a joke

I do agree you should not be mini bosses but if they insist on it give players a warning message and maybe a minimap ping + extra reward drops from it

>>1993828
>Prevents shit like five gobos rushing you down at cave troll 2 min in
Meh, I think you're upside down in your logic. 5 gobs rushing troll happens currently (we know this from countless complaints and videos as evidence) so the core of your argument is invalid.

However, if bargain is part of the matchmaking process, they can limit timings and number of bargain players in any given instance at a time.

Meanwhile, keeping the current situation, as you've argued for still allows for 5 gobs to rush down troll and it doesn't fix the issue of revenge rushes either, which are absolute 100% bullshit.
I kill a player and it's a hard fight, so I am low of supplies, next thing I know a player controlled goblin of that same player rushes me down and I have to have another battle. It's gay as fuck.

Ok realistically what’s the counter to Druid in solos nigga. Should I just never play casters or ranger. Panther poopy rapes me

>>1997982
slayer rapes nearly all classes currently bud. Druids get absolutely folded along with rogues, barbs, clerics, warlocks, bards, ranger and wizard. A good Sorc player can be tricky but can fold them in the end. Anyone who doesn't understand just how over tuned Slayer is right now frankly doesn't know shit about Dark and Darker lol

>>1998384
Alright so just pick slayer.

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>>1998384
Slayer is way overtuned at least in base kit gear, I've been using it to farm mobs for bargains. Have not messed with it in gear though. Like half of the fighter perks/abilities now give MS so something like slayer with gear would probably be near MS cap even with out sprint. Watched a clip of a streamer the other day crying that fighter was to slow, meanwhile hes full plate with sword and shield out chasing a rogue.

Also discovered flanged mace with a short sword still gets the sword perk benefit and melts people even faster.

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>>1997982
I think Wiz is actually good against druid, you can blow them up relatively quick but I hope you picked zorin for your religion, the spell pen is huge on them. Problem I notice now is everyone is running rogue so there are landmines everywhere, and people in HR tend to just run away. Normals just feels like bullying everyone but thats where the pvp is

if my bud mains barb, what should i play to duo with him for maximum effectiveness

>>1999457
Wizard or Bard in order to haste/invis or the movement speed songs from bard for him

How the fuck do I play sorcerer? Wizard is easy compared to this class. Iron will barb? Ice mastery Ice bolt, easy splash with fireball and then magic missile anyone who tries to run you down. There’s just so many sorcerer spells I get confused. I don’t even know where to start

>>2001721
Wizard is very spammy compared to sorc, the lose case for wizard is very rarely that you have completely run out of spells as compared to sorc its that you blowed your magical load to fast so now all your spells are on cooldown with no option but to run or try melee.

Generally you wanna choose your spells and merges with combos in mind like frost lightning to freeze them in place and then headshot with elemental bolt or levitate them into a lightning storm.

>>2001721
stack as much will and magic damage as possible, hit em with one of the elemental bolt spells then when they get close mud shield to protect yourself and plasma blast while screaming allah ackbar in game.

>>2002028
>>2002096
I’ll try this stuff thanks guys. Any idea how you guys best make money? I’m trying to get the religion skin but I failed last time

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>>2002150
Killing bosses or PvP, also just found out antiquated coins can be sold in market so go farm those dealmaker quest

>>2002177
How to best farm coins was gonna be my next question, I keep getting skeletons and I move too slow to find or to be able to hit anybody. Anytime I die all the bargains are gone too. Thanks for helping me out that’s good to know you can sell coins though

>>2002180
Water map until you have 1 affinity. Then gobo cave until you hit spider mummy gulag at 18 then go back to water map

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1aU8GHfgNWOHmoWx_iFbiyViZuWiVDdee5_a4ir7im1k/htmlview

Seems affinity just increases the pool of mobs you can spawn in as and in most cases they are worse mobs until like 42+. There are probably better ways to farm money because some days it took me a few hours just to finish the daily.

>>2002193
Thanks bro. It’s annoying not being able to bargain tho I guess I’ll just feed into people fast haha

>>2002235
The "meta" of bargaining is just to go wizard and blow up 10 boxes since for w/e reason they count. You can usually get it and die before anyone else. Knowing Ironmace instead of fixing this they will nerf wizard.

>>2002515
Destroying boxes and then dying makes it so you can bargain? I thought you needed to be killed by a player.

>>2002531
No, test it out go blow up boxes/chest until you hit 10 and you will have bargain

When both players are good, can a fighter beat a wizard

>>2002737
I’ve been having trouble beating any casters on fighter. Warlocks phantoms anway and sorcerers idk. I run into wizards this least but they also rape me

>>2002737
Plate prob no
Slayer yes but then you lose to plate/have to run

>>2002737
there is much more to the equation than that. who's geared in what? did the fighter bring MR pots? did the wizard bring prots? has the wizard just finished clearing and now need to sneak a meditate into the fight somewhere? does the fighter have sprint and adrenaline or is he running sprint and second wind? or is he a batshit shield fighter?

it's a pretty even matchup imo but it quickly swings out of balance depending on stuff and things, like most everything in this game.

I'm trying to figure out how a barbarian one shot me through Arcane shield + 125 health, he had a purple double axe but still that should not be enough damage. I thought they screwed up the headshot multiplier with AS/pot shields but I went in to a lobby naked and tested the numbers vs skeleton archers and it seems to remove the 1.75x multipler back to 1x, although archer mob numbers at exactly 0 armor seem to have a 1.5 hs multipler

There must be something weird about how all the headshot bonuses work with it.

>>2003306
I really have just been losing everything and thinking about just playing barb. It seems the most simple way to win for me even tho ppl say slayer is good idk what to build and I still just die to ppl and can’t even get started

So I haven't played since before it went on steam, trying to run it now and I have rubberbanding every single time I hit something that locks me in place and so goblins are raping me please help

>>2004607
The most tilting thing Is rubber banding I notice it happens a lot with spell casters and whenever I shoot a bow my arrows go through people and mobs sometimes. Crossbows and melee seem the most consistent for no rubber banding this game is fighter favored

>>2004684
I mean I literally can't fight anything I kite a goblin attack him move away and it just jitters and I get slashed

>>2003306
>>2004541
Barbarian is the most overpowered class in the game and that's saying something. They have the most melee damage, the most hp, and built in magic resist and resist to spells that move you. Potion chugger and morale boost give absolutely RIDICULOUS healing. Club, zweihander, bardiche are all extremely good weapons. Barbarian has the best effectiveness to effort ratio, just w key and kill and win.

>>2004809
Maybe in base kit, right now with gear mosquito rogue dominates. With bleed and poison a handcrossbow shot and two throwing knifes is enough to kill most people.

>>2004692
https://youtu.be/Jz3wYleCc9Y
Example

>>2004849
What server you playing on? I got this from accidentally quing in brazil the other year

>>2004891
us east, tried west and it was the same

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Centipede kinda sucks at finishing people off but with all the poison you can finish the 500 damage daily extremely fast.

>>2004910
Could be something to due with their kernal level anti cheat they added since moving to steam, a firewall may be blocking the traffic to the server as well. Although some of the pauses when you hit the gobo seemed more like a GPU/CPU related issue. The game is extremely weird with some things, like I had to update my motherboard bios awhile back because of crashing in unreal games.

I would just try updating everything and see if other games kernal level anti cheats have been causing issues lately. The game is not popular enough to garner mainstream attention so these obscure issues are a pain in the ass to fix.

>>2004942
no such issues in any other game, chatgpt is telling me it could be an issue with EAC mistiming with proton, but I don't see why it only occurs on melee hits and nothing else, no graphical settings change anything

Where do you find torn sails and tar on the water map. I’m also stuck on the folded cloth and pin quest which u prob need to get from that map 2

What do you do as a solo cleric cause I had some mediocre but not grey stuff and just got wrecked by a barb with all grey despite hitting him more than he hit me and having buffs on

>>2005307
you have to MASSIVELY outplay him or just play barb yourself

>>2005307
Cleric when divine protection and smite counters Barbarian but you lose to every range class unless you bring a dozen+ drums with you

haven't played this game for over a year, gonna come back and try it out.
I want to play Druid this time.
how do I learn Druid?

>>2007217
the single most impactful reason for the game to have lost so many players is because people pick druid. so maybe don't do that

I just came to the game to play cleric because I've been reading the bible and Elijah is cool

>>2007217
Learn panther leap/chicken jump, congrats you are now better than 90% of druids. Your only real counter is wizard, mainly because if you try to run they can blow you up to fast but you win if you get the drop on them

>>1946476
buy an ad

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I know this is at least worth 1 full chest but it seems like arena BIS for rogues, thinking of how to get at least two chest out of it. What was that discord streamers/rich people use?

Am I missing something? Does the quest log have any visual indication that you have the things required to complete the quest? Seems tedious to click through each of them and memorize what they need but I don't want to get rid of items that I'll need for a quest.

>>1946476
so what's the deal with this game?
I got an email from epic that it was being deleted from my library.
the whole lawsuit thing has kept me away from this game.
is it at risk of being deleted in a week? it's intriguing but it also looks extremely jank and the uncertain future has kept me away from trying it.

I try to use judgement on any enemy and it just fails consistently and I get fucked trying to stand still to use it as the wizard just spams spells at me. Sucks that cleric can literally only use smite and is not allowed to chase down anything ever.

>>2007983
Yeah the quest log is lacking QoL but it used to be worse if you can imagine that. Best bet is to just dedicate some stash space to all the monster drops like gold teeth/old cloth/maggots etc as eventually youll need some for a quest.
>>2008054
Judgement used to be a quarter of a second shorter to cast and that nerf was enough to pretty much shelf judgements use as it only has 5m range and most players will just back up two steps to make you waste your ability since it takes so long to land. It is a bit better if you stack knowledge gear though.

>>2008051
>best case scenario
The game lasts 8 more years as the lead dev said this is a game meant to last 10 years
>worst case scenario
the game dies a slow death from bleeding players due to back to back terrible decisions (nearly happened once already)

>>2008125
follwow up question is there no hotkey to quick stack all the gold or just everything in the inventory into the stash? When I played before loot worth this much gold was not EVERY extract but now im just stuck mashing clicking after every match and it's even worse having to consolidate into baggies.

Why no squire to riches solo? It would just be dominated by specific classes I guess?

>>2007724
https://discord.gg/7TGJuKVqGu

>>2007724
>>2008389
wait I can sell items to piggies in this game?

>playing in greys
>walk to door
>rogue opens it
>judgement him as he stands still and looks at me
>he back up
>chug protection
>he just turns and kills me with the dagger before the chug animation finishes
>he had better gear
See I don't get the point of these kind of games because if I just brought all blues I still would have been beaten by his purples. What's the point of pvp like this?

i swing at a rogue and my weapon phases through them

>>2008641
you didn't die because of gear, you died because you locked yourself into an animation in range of an opponent. if his gear was shit he would have killed you in another hit or two anyway.

>>2008887
my ability did a sliver of his health, there is absolutely nothing I could do with more kiting and hitting with a mace which would be impossible vs a rogue anyway, he could literally just face tank me with a dagger no matter what because of gear

>>2008919
then play one or two pve games and build a full kit

>>2008924
no interest in trios, and I have enough to get a kit, but I'll still just get outclassed by someone with even better gear or better class

>>2008641
stat checking can be fun. it's a reward for your effort (typically money, not effort) put into the game. if people wanted a pure competitive environment they'd play an esport, like CS or DOTA.

is the vamp skill any good for barb? seems pretty dogshit.

>>2008930
I mean I feel like this game has a really engaging combat system for both melee and spells but every aspect of it is just who has better gear

lost my first full blue cleric kit to a barb with a gray club and blue armor while im buffed

>>2008951
think of it more like, good gear unlocks the full potential of the character/build.
I could ramble on about my days in Diablo 2, but long story short, the good pvp builds optimized around specific breakpoints and were much more expensive than the kind of gear required to just beat the story or farm the pve. if somebody tried to bring a pve character into a pvp game they would lose 99/100 times.
here's a video highlighting the absurdity of melee duels in d2.
https://youtu.be/m6bTWmoZkhQ

>>2008996
and I forgot to emphasize my point.
>>2008951
you're just a new player. you don't install an esport and expect to be at the top ranks. so put in the work, like they have, to have a coherent competitive build.

>>2009009
Sure, but if I want to develop skill, I have to be able to actually fight and not just melt, so I need to buy gear, which I then will lose to the players with more experience. Grinding for temporary chances at practice is just gay and retarded.

>finally beat a faggot rogue
>by the time I'm halfway done dealing with all the npcs they stuck me with someone else just comes and kills me
this is pure tedium, what a shitty game

>>2009154
Real

why are you all incapable of finding a friend to play with

>>2009167
maybe that doesn't sound fun to me and I enjoy playing games alone

>>2009170
you don't want to put in the time to get skilled, you don't want to put in the time to get gear, you don't want to find people to play with, you don't want to do anything. you just want to go into the game and automatically win

>>2009188
I want to go into a game and have the variable that decides outcomes be skill and maybe a little luck. Basically I want squires to riches but solo.

I love spawning into every mob in every room agroed such that I don't have any time to open any doors to get anywhere or have a breath and then 5 minutes of kiting later a rogue just appears and corners me against 3 skeletons and a wolf really well designed game

>>2009167
because not all of us have a discord full of NEET groomee's to play vidya with. games that don't appeal to the solo player will never succeed. the whole reason wow took off instead of eq is because you could solo level.

watching streamers play this is just totally boring cause they all just have infinite sets of god equipment

is there any difference in playing on steam vs. their blacksmith launcher?

im just not playing again until rogue is removed fuck this game

is it true that I can just run around as druid and make huge cash on the new map without even having to fight anything?

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I redeemed a legendary status for this game when epic was giving it out for free, but I've never downloaded the epic launcher or launched the game. it's asking me to link it with some code. can I get the code without downloading epic's launcher? or can I not even redeem the legendary status pack because I never launched it before it was removed?

>>2009473
I had to install the game again to migrate from iron mace's to steam, you'll probably have to do the same.

>>2009354
Steam updates are faster and is generally just more reliable

>>2007983
You can open quest log in a match with L

>>2008389
Thanks

>>2009428
Yes, some one managed to get the 100k religion skin just selling shit while farming the water map in a few days, harder to do now because you have Faustian sharks in the water you have no chance in killing.

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>>2008951
>feel like this game has a really engaging combat system

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>>2009473
ok I installed it on epic to grab the code, linked it on blacksmith, now it's telling me that I should be on steam?

>>2009513
dont link it to blacksmith install it on steam and enter the code there FUCKhEAD

>>2009539
fuck how am I supposed to know that they have 2 dead platforms?
I already submitted the code, but I didn't accept the blacksmith lock.

>>2008951
I agree. I hope somebody copies the combat system and creates an engaging PVE game around it. Every other melee game feels like dog after DaD but dodging geared tryhards that are just much faster, have ridiculously more eHP and damage gets old quick.

To give a random example, Eve Online has similar full loot hardcore PvP vibe with options to be ridiculously overgeared but it gives much better tools to identify and evade hopeless fights.
Perhaps DaD might work if it was open world. There's just some critical ingredient missing for the game to work.

>>2009026
+1

>>2009305
My favourite tactic is to aggro absolutely everything and try to lead my army into some unsuspecting player.

>>2009513
well, steam asks you for a code from blacksmith, not epic.
blacksmith asks you for a code from epic.
steam is also looking for blacksmith accounts created before june 2024.
I tried opening epic again but it prompted me with the "select blacksmith" screen, same as the one in post I'm quoting, so I can't generate another code to see if it would accept it on steam.
and somebody is using my name so I can't even name my account properly.

>>2009167
Had I friends I wouldn't be playing video games.

ok, did my first run, it looks like all the merchants pay the same for armor, and the collector is the only person who wants stuff like the unequipable jewelry and skulls?

why does everyone team up on me when there is more than one person every single time

>>2009629
What class are you playing

>>2009629
Everyone teams and usually they do it in a retarded way.

>Playing normals as ranger, geared out rogue double jumping around at 110% ms
>We three random squire kits start fighting him, he fucks up and got hit by the barb a few times
>moment he is out of range fighter kills the barb then sprints and kills me
>Rogue finishes the fighter off
>His entire kit was BIS epics

Its every time in gobo caves, there is one retard who instead of teaming for the possible free kit apes out on a guy next to him.

>>2009630
cleric

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>>2008951
This is why I like wiz, its a glass canon but if you build true damage in every slot you can run the memeiest shit and get away with it. Who needs health and MS when you can kill people before they touch you? If you die who cares your kit was only worth 1-2k. My advice is go straight to HR, it's easier than normals right now. People see my Micky sorcerer apprentice outfit and still run despite it being hot garbage.

Funny enough in the webm someone told me the bard was near, jokes on them if I see dead mobs I assume rogues anyway.

>>2009661
When you pulled up your inventory and I saw all blue outfit I lost my shit laughing LOL

I think you just can't play solo cleric, I wish they would not balance entirely off of trios and at least just change spells/perks in solo.

>>2009671
You can but its retarded, bring a dozen+ legendary drums for mosquito rogues/other kiting classes. Don't even bother with spells you need divine protection and smite.

>>2009563
idea: 10.99 goblin skin pack every time you faustian bargain into a goblin it is a female goblin and your taunt is blowing a kiss

>>2008928
>no interest in trios
then keep crying, solo-nigger, it's a team based game. Go play squire to riches with randoms and get some fucking experience

>>2009739
or ill just not and you can enjoy your game for another year before it goes offline lol

Zap remains broken. Spellcasters rule the dungeons. Dogshit game, bring back playtest 2.

>>2010387
Wizard is notoriously underpowered.
Playtests sucked anyway.

>>2008951
One of the few times that they decided to revert a update the players hated was a patch that normalized static attribute bonuses that gear gave so you only had random rolls on gear to differentiate pieces of the same gear. And a majority of the playerbase claimed that even opening chests was useless because gear was 'useless' pretending that in the games entire existence that random rolls werent what made 99% of fear BiS. So its a sad truth that the majority of the playerbase enjoys statcheck simulator rather than player skill and another that SDF thinks a player in all greys going into matches with a all purples fully gemmed player is also somehow ok.

And im confident these choices are made because of rmt paypiggies.

>>2010538
I think I was actually playing a bit before and during that time, had to stop because my pc was fucking up, but that was super fun. Around when warlock was new I think. I could run in in any class into goblin caves and try to find out good perks and skills and enjoy fights with people even if they were still stacked against me. There was still getting run down by full kitted fighters but if I got frustrated enough I could go in full grays and spawn rush and at least use up some of those faggots' resources.

>>2010393
Problem is wizard is powerful in arena, mainly due to map design and full spells every round. Also SDF hates wizard so I don't see them buffing or giving wizard any thing new for awhile.

>you are playing cleric
>barbarian rushes at you
what do you do

>>2010607
https://streamable.com/n3nqd3

>>2010633
k now what if they land their attacks or just kite until your abilities are off cooldown

>>2010667
>What if the barbarian has over 60 IQ
Not gonna happen

i really wish dark and darker were fun

>>2010686
FPS game cannot be fun.

are shields cope for new players? am I going to establish bad habits?

>>2011023
seems like anything but rogue is cope

>>2011023
Unless you're spending 90% of every fight holding it up, you're establishing good habits. Shield lets you sit in someone's face and still not get hit.

>>2011095
I'm still PvE mode on the first map trying to learn how to play the game. I'm level 20.

>>2011113
Skip to pvp so you can find out how dogshit this game is instead of wasting your time.

>>2011113
Run around goblin cave in squire gear, its the pvp haven right now. If someone doesn't have a cape they like are in squire there to pvp or faustian bargain. Keep in mind most of these people have been playing since play test so be prepared to die a lot.

>>2011133
that's why I'm just running around pve learning mechanics and questing.

How the fuck do I play this game? Playing a fighter with longsword. Every single person I run into on solo is a rogue and they usually just kite me to death or stab me to death and I can't parry it.

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Ranger ratting has been fun

>>2011344
The kiting fuckers want you to chase them, so you have to try and get them into disadvantageous situations and corner them. Getting mobs to aggro on them, chasing them into cramped rooms where they don't have as much space to utilize their mobility, try to play corners/doors, fake running away then immediately turn around to try and get a hit in. It's pretty difficult to fight when you have no ranged options, but not always impossible

>Sorc goes into ice block when I am about to kill him
>Literally as it's about to end my screen freezes for a second, when done freezing he and his iceblock are just gone

Is this niggerlicious shit intended? Is he cheating? sdfnigger why

>>2011462
Its a server/engine issue that happens to everyone, IM is ignoring it like its gonna go away and its been happening ever since they swapped server hosts. And It seems to have just gotten worse since they let players choose a region again so gold farmer xaopingping can come to the NA servers to cheat, assumingly because the server ia struggling to sync clients.

>>2011481
This game just keeps getting more and more ass.
He came back with his trio and gangraped me too.

I want to play a new class coming back to the game.
problem is I only ever played wizard blowing shit up... I'm trying a melee class and am fucking dogshit at melee combat, even vs mobs.

Has there been any news on the on hit stutter? >>2004849
I've seen multiple people in discord and on steam saying they have the issue. How long does it usually take to fix bugs like that?

Midnight walkers demo is up, its a game i guess
But also I want the 100,000 gold mage skin, big fan of default skins, tho id still go for it if it was elite or nightmare

>>2012190
Religion has to be the worst feature they spent development time making. Its only use is as a gold sink because they couldn't come up with another way to make it engaging. The skins and gold storage items are not worth it

>finally win a pvp encounter
>footsteps
>shick shick shick
>dead
This is why nobody plays this shit and this general is dead

I just killed two people and extracted B)

>>2012267
Getting 3rd partied is pretty frustrating. That and the rubber banding and desync.
I’m just so addicted and can’t quit playing though

>>2012267
>Do HR ruins on wiz
>Clear out module, decide to extract instead of go down because I was looking for Ice caves
>See three rogues camping different doors to the module I was in
>One was in a room full of mobs that he some how avoided aggro, probably double jumping on walls

I hate the random HR, ruins is such a pain in the ass on solo wiz.

This game would be so much better if it was a proper open world MMO instead of this dumb arena faggotry.

>>2012364
They can't even optimize it for dungeons if it was open world it wouldn't even run

>>2012363
Everything is pain in the ass solo wizzing nigga

Why would I sell 99% of loot to anything but the merchants? You get like max sub-100 more gold for things like a blue helmet with meh random stats and you're gearing up your opponents.

>>2012469
Trade is a relic of a bygone era where gold was actually difficult to get at all, and traders didn't buy things for more than pennies.

>>2012420
Ice caves is actually great for wiz, bright maps with lots of mobs. Landmines hate it because if they aggro one kobold they aggro several others.

>>2012469
Blues and even greens were more valuable on the trade when gearscore was a thing, copper gear was worth 1000's if it had decent rolls. I do think they will bring back GS lobbies, probably like instead of epic only items it will be 225 again.

Just lost my full fucking kit in ice caves because all of the stairs just had an invisible wall i couldn't leave and the elevator level was broken. I just want to do the leathersmith quest ffs and I just lost everything for nothing.

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what map should we make next?

>>2012809
They need to focus on classes, I know monk is next but I want palladin and necromancer!

I keep losing to players in this game. I hate seeing players then I get hit by a mob or I’m busy fighting a mob and a player shows up. I hate having to run away and then I end up pulling mobs. I hate shooting arrows and having them phase through players bodies. I hate shooting magic missiles and having my hand bounce off of players bodies canceling the cast. I hate having my spell cast be canceled because there is a wall behind me. I hate Desync. I hate rubber banding. I die 80% of the time I fight people how the fuck do you actually win in this game this game is fucking aids I just want to cool religion skin and to win more fights. But my builds are either so shit or I’m just shit. Should I just farm more gear and then it doesn’t even matter?

>>2013173
Buy a blue set. Clear out the room you spawn in of mobs and move to the next rather than only clearing a path from door to door. There is no situation in pvp where it will be nice for you to have mobs around. Learn when to not take a fight and fall back into the areas you've cleared.

>>2013173
Sounds like you're shit.

When you self cast spells look down or up depending on your environment.

Don't cast magic missile point blank like a fucking retard.

I agree this game is ass.

>>2013497
Alright word I will. Thanks.
>>2013540
Mainly I’m just ass blasted about my hand bouncing off of panther. I have no recourse. Wizard counters Druid btw haha

>>2013173
If you try to pvp on wiz as a new player you will have a bad time. Even spell book will bonk off shit behind you and if you miss one cast when some one is running at you you're probably dead.

Just do ranger with backstep/shotgun, lets you learn/cheese pve and you have an oh shit button for if someone does get in your face.

>>2012809
I'd rather they finally make an in game community hub where you can peacefully interact with other players, spar, initiate trades, party up, etc. Barring that though, idk a second level to the Goblin Caves?

>>2013805
It’s not just on wiz I get shit on most classes I play

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>>2013848

>>2013805
Not true at all. Wizard is the one class where you don't even need to learn the game. Just cast spells and if you somehow are so retarded that they don't die, just run away using haste/invis.

How do I deal with a dagger warlock as cleric when I can't hit them and they can dot me? I dealt with one because I guess he couldn't chase me down or was scared to and I healed myself till he fell back and I left through a portal, but he was full health when I spectated him, it's like I'm no threat at all.

can't even practice troll because it's mindless people shift w'ing at you if you are ever seen and the random layout of caves now is shit out of my ass

>>2014092
if you run anything apart from no spell smite/judgement cleric you may as well not run cleric at all. Druid is the better healer if you want to be a healer/hybrid. Cleric shines with pure phys/true/pdr/mdr/action speed no spell. If the lock has anti-magic you literally cave them.

>>2010607
no spell cleric fucking pulverizes barbarians just get better and stack action speed. If you play spell/hybrid cleric just play another class.

it feels so fucking good to fucking third party fuck it also feels so cunting sweet for a mob to corner a retard that was trying to chase you down FUUCK

>>2014285
>>2014290
I don't get why they wouldn't make a caster cleric viable solo. Why can't they just give a couple of spells that only affect you but are a bit stronger?

>>2014460
When the game was originally being developed the intent was for the classes to compliment eachother, and for solo play to not really be viable, so the cleric would buff a party, not themselves. Fights were a lot longer because ttk was generally a lot higher.

Then retarded niggers came along and demanded a solo mode, demanded easier pve, demanded for all the classes be balanced and it not have class rps.

That's why cleric spells have low solo viability.

>>2014588
Okay solo has been in the game for 2 years at least and a mode that a large portion of the playerbase prefers

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https://www.darkanddarker.com/news/148
PATCH NOOOOOTTTEEEESSSSSSSS

>>2015234
Good patch Druid is scary tho

This game is dead, but the fact they've never addressed people cheesing reds is still funny. Why would you ever play fair when you rush a red the moment you feel you're at a disadvantage?
It just so happens to benefit the mobility classes too... Good job catching a druid. Or a Rogue.

Did they fix slow as fuck animations yet?
And no I don't mean "hurr I want to spam left click 5 times a second" I mean the animation looking like a grandpa struggling to swing a sword.

>>2015294
Adderall baby

>>2015294
Its been like 9+ months and they still haven't released... or even teased monk yet. And you think they would do something like that, which requires effort?
You innocent fool

>>2015297
I'll take that as a no. I guess game is in maintenance mode and any graphical updates (that they wanted to do) will never happen.

sigh this game is so unplayable because they don't ever implement my dogshit retarded ideas sigh

>>2015304
You can increase the animation speed so it feels like it has at least some weight to it, while still keeping time between attacks the same, y'know.

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>he thinks he's getting called out when in reality i posted in the wrong thread

>>2015316
I accept your concession. :^)

How can I become carried by longsword and parry? What stats should I go for, what skills and perks should I use? Who should I watch to learn from?

>>2015340
Parry is a meme, especially since the servers are so garbage nowadays. You can have superhuman reflexes and still fuck up simply because some gook thought it was a good idea to put 20+ people in a server that can't handle it.

>>2015344
So I've heard. I'm still happy to try and also just swing as well. Mostly just struggling to work out how to prioritize stats and such.

>>2015353
Fair enough then. You can try going PDR longsword, and that will be effective against people who melee... but a good half the classes are magical or can kite you to oblivion.
I don't understand why these devs love the idea of every fight being some gay movement speed check, can't catch up? well the sorc, wizard or rogue is gonna poke you to death. Good luck!

>>2015357
That's my biggest problem. How am I supposed to deal with that as a longsword fighter, outside of getting lucky/godlike shots with my crossbow while avoiding all that shit miraculously?

>>2015234
>The Panther's health penalty has been removed.

lol the fuck? The only reason you didn't see many druids is they had a hard time attacking double jumping rogues. This just makes them roll over the other classes, especially casters.

>>2015385
Your only real solution is to camp corridors, doors and hallways so you can't be poked without a chance for counterattack. so basically nothing if you want to be on the offensive.
>>2015388
I don't get it either since Druid is already stronger now that the market is open. You just have to come to terms with the fact that Druid will never be balanced and is the love-child of the main dev. Woops, is that a druid chicken jumping through a entire module? Well you're not catching him and he gets a free reset. What a balanced class!

Anyone else feel like their framerate is randomly capped below what they set now? It feels like im locked to 60

Also why can sorcerers just spam a spell that locks you in place

>>2015438
Just checked and my fps won't go above 55 despite it easily hitting 144 cap before. On hit stutter/rubberband is gone but now fps is dogshit and won't go higher even setting resolution to 50%.

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>>2015452
both framerates set to max in settings

>>2015502
Are you on blacksmith or Steam? Also check to make sure lobby fps is not capped

>>2015811
steam
>both framerates set to max in settings
I think it's a proton issue

>>2015344
Reddit fags constantly whining about parry being OP because they can't comprehend aiming anywhere but directly at longsword says otherwise.

>>1946476
as a f2p player, where do i go with my epics now? all maps are capped at rare.

>mika vista a rogue
>they just run out of range from right in front of me before it's over
>smite
>they just run out of range of every possible attack
why do retards say cleric is a rogue counter?

how tf do you solo a warlock? he just dots you from a mile away and you cant do shit about it. at least the rangers need to lead their shot, insta-travel spell that heals them and kills you is retarded.

>>1946476
Cuck and Cucked

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I hate the "level" system of having to go deeper. It just makes it so there's less and less players and you're just forced to play the horrendous PvE.
For example the crypts are fucking dead now.
They should initiate matchmaking at least and have you wait a few minutes longer for the other players of another game to make it down

will affinity and quests get reset on wipes?

>get a full blue build going
>rogue just sicks mobs on me and then kills me in three hits
why would I ever bring gear? like the devs lower the rarity for normals to get people to play high roller but why would I EVER play high roller when it's just pure faggotry you can't control what you win or lose to.

>>2016494
Hitscan still has to lead shots because of the horrific desync though

Holy dead. What went so wrong?

>>2017569
literal shit gameplay that brainless niggers overhyped because they watch streamers or whatever

>>2017599
I mean the core gameplay is the only GOOD thing about this game. Melee, ranged, dodging, all is pretty fun. But the game is held back by:
>balance
>netcode
>optimization
>choosing to focus on the least popular gamemodes
>paying attention pretty much exclusively to streamers and ignoring the rest of the community
I swear the devs are just chasing the high of that five minutes of fame they got when Jerma played it but have done nothing but regress the quality of the game since.

>>2017630
The game was better before streamers found it.

>>2017630
If they appealed to streamers it would actually help the game, half of them mained fighter and it used to be considered the OP class. I actually miss early on when like half the population was fighters because they countered everything except wizard, way better than the druid/rogue meta.

Ranger in solos is hard pls help me niggers I feel useless

>>2016726
I just hate ruins with a passion, it was shit in the playtest and its still shit now

how do you combat range guys as a melee guy? just accept youre fate? hard to push when they can shoot and then run away way faster than you can.

>>2018247
Shield blocks both projectiles and spells.
You can also strafe Dodge.

>>2016214
Epics are now unironically less valuable than rares.

I personally think this is fine.
Epic is the weird spot in the balance anyway. Anyone can buy and farm a full rare set no issue.
Epics are the gap tho, timmies can't afford to run a full set of epic.
Legendaries are for the no-lifers so they feel like they're special. But epics are just stupid.
Honestly they need a gear rebalance anyway:
Delete squire and epic.
Make common the default.
Keep uncommon, rare and legendary
HR and Arena are the only place for legendary.

>>2018003
spear + survival bow gl nigga

>>2018330
I really liked the loot state before highroller got originally added.

You could find everything but uniques literally anywhere, and if you wanted uniques you went and killed a boss. Legendaries you had to get kinda lucky for but just random casuals could sometimes find them and feel set for the rest of the playtest, and purples were that middle ground where if you looted well you could reliably find them and make a set, but it wasn't so common that just anyone could get that full set. (This was obviously before marketplace so you couldn't just buy them).

I agree that now it feels like epic is kind of antiquated. I actually feel like uncommon is antiquated at this point, I think uncommon should be removed from the game because rares are found so frequently there is no point where you ever want uncommons.

What's the best way to practice PvP? I wish there was some kind of death match mode just for practice.

>>2018448
No clue if you're trolling but go to arena, it's a deathmatch mode just for practice.

>>2018523
Arena has 1v1? I'm free to play currently.

>>1991477
>>1991492
>>1991512
>>1991814
Holy cringe. Is half the posts itt just IM damage control?

What's the easiest fighter build to just win with. I don't want to have skill, I don't want to put in effort. Just turn my brain off and win.

>>2019607
Maybe fighter isn't for you then

>>2019671
Longsword has major desync issues. Slayer fighter dies in two hits. I don't know how to play the class otherwise.

>>2019674
Falchion and shield, dual wield with falchion/dagger

Both with just a shit ton of armor obviously.

That's all I can think of for wanting to go retard barb mode on fighter, but again, if you want to turn your brain off every other class is better.

Are /we/ playing Midnight Walkers?

>>2019607
the entire schtick of fighter is carefully outskilling the opponent. if you want to turn your brain off and win melee you need to play barbarian

iron will makes you immune to knockback spells
crush lets you just chop through doors
morale boost and potion chugger keep you full hp constantly

all you do is w key and win

>>2018405
Skills? You go knock back right? Let me know if kitted or not cause no matter if I build anything or not I just seem to lose playing ranger the most solos duos or trios. Squire or not lol just wanna win games with this class but everyone catches up to me even if I build ms and agility sprinting fighters with sprint panthers rogues raging barbs slowing me with savage roar…. Wizard is so much easier than this class

This game seems to be a massive joke that got caught stealing

>>2020275
It’s pretty fun killing people and killing bosses at least for now

>>2019897
>>2019715
In which case. Who should I watch to learn how to play well? I really struggle to learn how to play the class or find any resources for it.

Ryan6days WiP game the underkeep may be a direct ripoff of dark and darker but its already has a more coherent and clear idea of what it should be compared to SDF's schizophrenic "vision" which turned a dungeon crawler rpg into a rock-paper-scissors battle royale that couldnt balance a coin on its face. Dark and darker only has seniority on the golden goose of a DnD extraction looter but as soon as one of these copycats that arent clearly cashgrabs get a little polished ironmace is done unless they really stop shitting the bed.

>>2020474
So bad so strange used to upload tutorials for fighter idk if he does anymore but I still use some of the info for building fighter like plate chest gloves and helm only cloth rest so ur not slowed down a lot. Tho slayer is most meta rn

>>2020474
No clue don't watch youtubers. There's that crab guy from years ago people talked about that does longsword stuff and he's apparently pretty good, so you could check that guy out.

Otherwise all I can give is my advice for getting better which is mainly just "Have francisca" "Position good" "Don't job"

Fighter is really slow so 90% of what you need to learn is position good

>>1980948
yes the grind is still god fucking awful, quests are nightmare fuel

>>2020686
How do I learn good positioning? Every fight I get into always turns into a mash left-click fest at point blank until one of us dies (usually me). I feel like if I try to position in those situations I can't get them off me and I just end up being the one who always gets mashed out.

>>1980948
>but actually getting ahead was fucking stupidly slow no matter what you did
as a new player, how is it awful? you can free kit into a dungeon, and sometimes even the room you spawn in has all that you want and then you can easily escape.

>>1980948
Some quests are still pretty rape but I think that it’s a lot better than it once was. You mostly just have a lot more quests opportunities now which I like. Some are pretty tedious like having to kill a bunch of mini bosses in one session I hate that one

>>2020707
A lot of it is subtle stuff imo. If you hear them drinking a pot they can’t attack you and are slowed could be a good time to poke. If they are casting something they are also slowed down, another good time to maybe poke. Micro advantages. Getting buffed by shrines, protection potting before all in(you don’t want to protection pot if just poking because the bubble makes it more obvious and fatter and gives you away more easily when peeking a corner.) high ground for easier headshots while they hit your legs for reduced damage. Harassing someone while they are fighting a mob or used cooldowns already. Opening a door and then backing up to try to bait rogue stealth, or seeing opened chests and dead mobs so being paranoid of rogues or other players. Sometimes though people just have better stats than you though or catch you at a bad time and there’s nothing you can do.

>>2020707
Part of it is movement. Like don't walk backwards from people, walk sideways it gives you full movespeed like you're walking forward, this is the best way to try and keep distance.

Positioning is more than just that though. Position yourself at a distance so if a barb yells you can kite him until his buff is gone, if a rogue runs at you with dagger use franciscas and between throws run sideways, franciscas will slow them down, and you'll be softening them up for when they get close. Rogues want to face hug you and are faster, so it can be good to have a sword and shield specifically for rogues.
This is where the shortcoming of fighter truly comes in, you can't have a tool for everything at low gear but you're a class that is meant to be a bag of tools. At high gear if you're just trying to pvp you could totally keep a sword and shield in your inventory as backup for your main weapon and still have a crossbow, but at squire gear you can only choose 2 of the 3 tools of long weapon, s&s, and ranged weapon.

Find little ways to keep yourself in your weapon's sweet spot (The area where your weapon does 100% damage) and them out of theirs.

Try to always have an exit for when things are not going well.

As the guy above me said, use high ground.

Other than stuff like this it's just stuff you have to gain experience with, I can't tell you how to beat warlocks and wizard other than "Have franciscas and don't miss" "Use sprint good"

>>2021338
All this is pointless because the opponent will just be 30% faster than you and have 50% more HP and damage than you.

>>2021352
You're just dogshit at the game sorry dude go back to pve.

Is there any possible build with barb without having the rage skill? 17% speed boost seems too vital.

>>2021785
For solo A club/axe with lantern and full agility gear.

In comps find a wiz to haste/invis you instead, probably a bard too.

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>>2021785
Rage is hard to give up, but Barb has such good base stats that are easy to build on with gear that you can definitely win without it. For a long time i was running Savage Roar and Achilles Heel because I got tired of being kited by rogues and warlocks so much. The damage from Achilles Heel counts when Blood Exchange is activated too

>>1946476
I'm late and somewhat stupid. What is this game and how do yoy access it?
Is it fun?

>>2021360
Yes but there's no point trying to get better because the endgame is just outgearing your opponents.

>>2022255
Steam

It's always nice running into somebody on your friends list while playing randoms : )
Solo players will never know the joys of jolly cooperation

>>2022243
>For a long time i was running Savage Roar and Achilles Heel because I got tired of being kited by rogues and warlocks so much.
How did you manage to work that out? Don't those guys run somewhere above 310 movement speed? With the free kit no shirt and every item except for gloves giving agi, im still only able to have my barb run at 306 no weapon equipped. So you would achilles heel them with the throwing axe? But isnt the duration, 3 seconds, way too short to catch up to them?
Genuinely curious howd you made that work. Because with Rage, your own guy with agi free gear can move at 326 no weapon equipped for 6 seconds which I would think is way faster than a possible -2.5% debuff for six and a possible achilles heel for 3.

>install new proton version
>boot up dark and darker with it to see if it fixed the low fps issue
>forget to take off the gear so now I have to play out a match at 50 fps
>rogue comes up and walks in circles around me holding m1 and literally just disappearing off my screen from the framerate
>lose kit
I think it's an issue with their kernel anti-cheat, and they just don't give a shit about linux. Shame cause I was looking forward to getting back into it before the hotfix fucked everything.

>>2022670
>50 fps
Not a very adaptable nigger are you

>>2022757
do you think you can pvp in this game at 50 fps

>>2022670
Meh the only good thing about the game is the PvE. Unironically.
The game is terrible with desyncs so pvp is never skill anyway and the gear gaps make it worse.

>>2022946
>The only good thing about the game is the pve
Bosses*
The bosses are good, pve is ass.

So when is an actual good studio going to step up and give the genre the respect it deserves?

It's been well over a year and IM has done absolutely nothing other than release slop, unfinish projects, asset flips, and placating filler.

>>2022666
Savage Roar slows too, and the Berserker perk gives you a little move speed boost when you're damaged. You need to bring in a fuck ton of axes too. Solo Barbarian has to fight smarter and try to use the terrain to his advantage when against one of the faster classes. There's nothing worse than trying to catch a kiting Warlock in a wide open room. And there's no shame in retreating from a fight if you think you can't win

>>2023143
>Savage Roar slows too,
Yeah which is why I'm trying to ask howd you make it work with savage and heel as your skills. Since, Rage gives like 20+ movespeed to your own guy but Roar takes away like 10 movespeed of theirs?

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>>2023158
Don't miss with your Achilles and use a one handed weapon to minimize swing slow. Really can't stress enough how cornering them is important here. Rage is really good, but don't be afraid to try out the other abilities too. Blood Exchange and Achilles pair pretty well since the damage dealt from Achilles counts towards the healing on BE. The only skill that still kinda sucks is War Sacrifice

>>2023046
Thing is there are things I like about this game better than the "genre" itself. I think the extraction looting aspect is actually a part that most people playing DISLIKE as we can tell by how few people play high roller and how much people complain about getting gear diffed.

I like the combat, the setting, and despite it being a lot of free assets they made a nice style. Using spells and the weapons and ducking and dodging feels fun except for the fact that you have a good chance to just have a matchup you can't deal with and lose all your stuff. I would much rather it be a kind of mount & blade battle royale where you use what you find in smaller dungeons littered around a big open map.

Carry me in high roller maybe...

>host a tournament
>$6k prize
>only let "top players" (read: streamers) enter
Man, it would be cool if these "community events" ever actually included the community and not only their streamer butt-boys. Nope, we just get to buy $10 fart emotes

Linux performance is now even worse with hotfix 98. 50fps before is now ~30. I don't know what they could be doing with their anticheat to be causing this continuous degradation.

>>2025013
Anything but fix the game

remove hitscan spells, make every spell a projectile

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>>2026104
I'd be for this if it meant zap would actually go through small gaps like arrows, webm semi related since the zap wiffed.

I thought Ken Kenobis wiz build was a meme but running it has given me some surprisingly good results.

>spectated a fighter and saw his gear had all of his stats over 20 with 25+ agi and 40 str
wtf, i get gear making you more powerful but this just seems ridiculous, and this was all blue gear too. cant imagine the insanity on higher gear.

>>2026486
I don't care to much about those players, I just hate when fighting one another squire kit third parties you then dies to the obviously geared player with a cape after. Like fuck even when I Bargain I go for the kitted player first but half the time the squire guy comes at me anyway.

>Die to spectral knight because I'm learning him
>Queue up again, run right to boss
>My body is in the middle of the arena
This game is fucking ass. Why can I spawn into a match where the boss in that time could have been killed?

>>2026587
Also I would have clipped it but nvidia capture doesn't work with this fucking game half the time so instead I clipped 11 seconds of me trying to fix nvidia capture in my files

>>2026429
anon had the shakes...

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>>2027446
is quarterstaff barb legit? armor pierce, according to wiki every part of weapon hitbox is 100% damage. -30 speed, so fastest 2h equal to axe.

>>1984673
what is this, did they finally implement being able to do this or is it a class skill

>>1984673
how do I become a mob? I haven't played in months, do I just die and get to do it?

>>2027860
Die while PvP is enabled, the more you accomplished in that map the higher chance of rolling a good mob is. You'll notice it goes from 0 to 3.

Teach me how to Rogue...

>>2027867
alright, that was fun for like 30 seconds.

>>2027874
dex and poison

>>2027880
what about str...

>>2027882
honestly go watch Vincennnt on twitch - guy was so good on leaderboards he held number 1 spot as ranger... and second place as rogue.

>>2027883
I want to learn how to solo ranger but this is the hardest class wtf impossible to kill fighters and barbs especially with nothing bro

>>2027901
If you don't utilize handbow or throw knives and have a high map knowledge (ledges and where to run to jump a gap or something) its basically a damage check. You need to deal damage before they're within swinging range.