EVE ThreadNews>Nemesis Expansion released>Armor rigs mess with align time now>Slight Marauder nerfs>Apocalypse buffed>Maelstrom changed>Windrunner Tornados nerfed>The Cenotaph remains utterly broken>CCP makes a bunch of dumb changes don't ever remove this from the OP because it's always trueOld Thread: >>1879243
First for I just want to mine shit in my Venture.
is all-out dead yet
Energy is stored in the capacitor
Play Foxhole instead. Don't give money to CCPnigger until they fix the game (or at least pretend to develop it).
I will do assignments now, for those sick BLACK skins.
don't give anvil your money either
foxhole sucks so fucking much
Play Stellaris and stop dealing with jankywar dec mechanics and logoffski.
Play Sins of a Solar Empire's EVE mod (the first game, don't think 2 has it yet)It's Stellaris but actually fun
>>1972552The Vanguard assignments havent been transferred to my Eve account so I got nothing. Sent a ticket about it and I've been ignored.
>>1973338>>1973154Stellaris is a good game but>nothing ever happens>all the Eve mods broke earlier this year so you have to manually make the Eve factions yourself and use a flag mod to add the faction's logos
Give me some suggestions for off-meta ships for abyss that have some unique quality about them. I realize the Gila is the king of cruiser abyss and Retribution/Hawk/Logi trios are what people use for higher tier frigate abyss, but I want to try some uncommon things that might have their own niche.I was flying a Phantasm for a while in the abyss which turned out somewhat nice, and the Cynabal is fast for T3 and below. The Zealot was disappointing for a T2 HAC though.
Reminder 5 mids, 5 turrets, 50mb of drones, fast, and nobody flies it.
>>1974029With the recent buffs to remote repairs you could try duo confessor in electrical.Sacrilege in dark abyss is also nice.
>>1974085I had actually ran the Sac before I gave up and went to Gila, a lot of the problem was that the Sacrilege's damage was kind of low. It was mostly due to a mix of lower range requiring me to chase things like the Drifter and the application not being as strong against smaller and faster ships. I lost three or so due to time outs, usually bad luck with spawns and the ship being fairly slow.However, I think all armor ships will be worth a look at again due to the change in armor rigs, putting on a resistance rig might work better now since it won't drop your top speed. I used to use a Stratios for a bit in the abyss, and while it had some problems compared to the Gila (Namely lowered DPS if you're using heavy drones), speed was something that got it killed a lot too.I might consider just attempting duo abyss with an alt, I don't care to multibox frigates but I might could get used to two boxes at once. I already have Confessors maxed on a couple of characters so it'd be easy to start.
>>1974126>application not being as strong against smaller and faster shipsYeah, if you are running a sacrilege in dark you will need dual webs. Fitting a medium faction smartbomb (7.2k range) in top slot also help with small stuff and messes with triglavian remote reps a bit making it easier to break through their remote reps.
>>1974136I was using this fit for my cheap setup, tiering up the armor rep for T6 abyss. Mostly I did T5 though because it was easier and thus needed a cheaper ship.Most trigs weren't really a problem, most of them would keep slingshotting out my range and resetting their damage. The biggest problem was the Karybdis battleship because I'd have to chase it to the edge of the room unless it had a lancer to get stuck to, followed by the Drekavacs in a -50% weather because they'd be a little far for me to reach and again they'd float to the edge. Sansha would give me a small bit of trouble just because getting into brawl range with them is ugly with all the neuts and damage, but usually if I could murder a knight or two before things got too bad I was fine.Despite the Gila having lower damage on paper, I noticed I cleared faster with it just because its drones would practically be applying their damage from the moment I jumped into a room and tracked most targets well. I think I'd have better luck with the Sac if I could fit a MWD, but I'm not sure my tank and cap would hold up.
i really like the gila fit that uses the faction ballistic control system with 2 DDA. the dps is so fucking juicy, and its fun to spice in some gun usage instead of mashing F, but it sucks so bad to get the pylons that delete missiles and hurt the drones, so i just stick with 3 DDA>vro just fly away from itnyo, i will approach the conduit/origin like a moth to a bulb, and if the pylon is there, so be it, be strong, my 'augmented' infiltrators. id like to try the vagabond, but im worried about karen pockets and blinding/renewing leshak rooms specifically
amarr unironically
>Wormlife system attacked by Balls Deep>Probably going to be another brawl someone loses far more ISK in ships than the 500m ISK or so the station will droplmao
>>1974029Ive been wanting to fly a Wolf in T1s mostly cuz I think it'd just be fun to fly a Wolf. Your best bet would be to look at Abysstracker.com and pick some ships that ppl definitely run with but are weird/niche/rare.
>>1975238I really just want a fun turreted ship. Missiles and drones are really common, but like anything you just get sick of it after a while. The Phantasm is pretty cool, but not quite great enough to justify using it in T5 or T6.
I've 30b, Rattlesnake and Gila but I still didn't pvp because finding people is hard. And even if I did find people, I might be against 10 years old veterans with blingiest fit. Or they just drop cap on me.
>>1975488>I've 30bThat's a LOT of stealth bombers, get to it mate.
>>1975488Spam T1 dessies or cruisers
>>1975488>but I still didn't pvp because finding people is hard.simply join faction warfare. it's literally made for this.
>>1975493That might be a good idea. But t1 is too weak. So I will just spam Pilgrim instead.
>>1975488The only way I get fights is by baiting with a Procurer in wormholes. I park an alt on a mining site and sit cloaked with a Falcon and two Lokis to pick off whoever shows up. It still takes a couple of hours or so to get someone even when the chain is busy.
>wormhole "pvp"
>>1975549>T1 is too weakif you're a bad pilot sure.
this thread unfortunately psy-op'd me into thinking wh pvp is bad, but now after ive moved to high class, ive learned that its incredible, truly its only low class that doesnt do anything because they dont make money to afford having fun
I'm coming back to EVE for the first time since 2008 solo. I am doing the AIR starter missions, working on exploration and combat. I missed this game, love the OG soundtral.
Always undock with ECM modules fitted during fleet fights.
>>1975666>they dont make money to afford having funI've been trying to explain that the wormhole UN reps. C5 and C6 mentality if fundamentally different than the rest of wormhole space, they print so much money that they can afford to burn it on honor duels and such. C3 and below isn't making anything close to that, and C4 is about the middle class of j-space. You can't get upset when some random corp with an Astrahus in a C2 won't throw a few billion ISK of ships at you when they don't even make that in a month.It's why Hawks/HK's desire to get more capitals out in j-space is doomed from the start, there's not enough resources to justify their existence anywhere but C5/C6. You're not going to see people deploying Rorquals unless their value can justify their price.
>>1975778I can't believe in 20+ years, CCP has never actually added to the OST. We've been listening to the same shit all throughout EVE.
Starminer looks pretty good.
Too bad it isn't a full-loot openworld PVPVE MMO.
>>1970789Amarr or Minmatar?
How would you fit a Maelstrom for L4 mission running? It's one of the few battleships I haven't tried out and I'm curious how it would work. I feel like its shield boost bonus would favor a brawling setup, but it's so slow you'd never get in range for autocannons.
>biggest acs>some kind of prop mod>shit active tank>max damage + rangenot difficult
>>1976880Artillery
>>1976880Medium shield booster, full rack of artillery. max dmg mods.
>Medium shield booster
tempest has 33% more gun dps, so there's no reason to fly a mealstorm if you don't require the big tank
>>1976943It used to not be so cut and dry, the Maelstrom and the Tempest had the same DPS at Minmatar Battleship IV. I don't know what CCP was thinking actually nerfing the true damage of the Maelstrom.
true, but the changes are a net improvement, and the ship is now better defined. I think it's only a little bit bad and weird when compared to the tempest, which is not a well balanced ship since they just went full retard on its dps, and the double cancer highs are a big dealthere are a bunch of other ships that are just a bit redundant, such as megathron vs hyperion
>>1976989The Apoc vs Abaddon is like that now since the Apoc now has the damage bonus of the Abaddon (Well, navy apoc does, but the T1 version is close). Sure, the Abaddon has 20% resist bonuses at level 5, but the navy apoc has just about as much EHP anyway due to its faction status, plus it has +50% range, -50% cap use on guns, and a 37.5% higher rate of recharge built into the hull.The only thing I'd say improved for the Maelstrom is that it has a harder alpha strike at the cost of sustained DPS.
that's just navy/faction ships being lazy bullshit and cancer though, they're always going to ruin any ehp comparisonI think it would have been nicer if amarr bs could have turned out with armageddon being like it used to be, the 8/3/8 true soul brawler. that way they'd have two very different laser ships. then abaddon could be the twat dominix one everyone hates instead, which would be good because it's ugly
>>1976880I would sell the Maelstrom and buy a Tempest or Machariel instead.
>>1977776It's more of a thought exercise for my own entertainment, I own one every battleship (T1 and faction) and occasionally take them out to run missions for shits and giggles with. The Maelstrom is the one out of the entire set I haven't bothered to use, not because it's flat out bad like the Abaddon but because it's just overshadowed by everything else. I want to like it, but I might as well fly a Tempest other than it or just pick a different race entirely.
>>1978191shut up nigger
>>1978259>trigger amarrtard
>>1978264i just scrolled past your retarded back and forth to finally read>thought exercise for my own entertainmentand immediately knew you're retarded, you talk like a faggot, and all your ideas are shit.
>>1978338>He says as he chokes back tears of Amarr inferiorityMaybe you should try putting on some more cap batteries and stop seething.
>>1978382you're roleplaying and im calling you a nigger
Love my Abaddon, it kicks butt.
>Not apocalypse
abandon: ship
why is there a 180mb download every time I log in
>>1978777nobody knows
>>1976402I still listen to Below The Asteroids, the absolute best track from the ost
>>1978805I'm more of a Surplus of Rare Artifacts man myself.
tf does this game update every fucking day
people still do those same lvl 4 missionsunchanged in 2 decadesthere's at least one person who has done damsel in distress 10k+ times
Is there a /v/ corp?
>>1979885No. There is a /v/ channel ingame though which has for some reason (the reason being lazy OP nigger) been removed from OP. Channel is /v/bros so join that.
convince me to re sub
no
Recent patches have buffed both the apoc navy AND the oneirosIt's /eog/'s wet dream come true
>apocsoul>navysoulless, gay
Convince me not to KYS myself.
>>1980545Nypa
>>1978777the bandwidth use of eve as it runs is extremely low but they make up for it with these random retarded 150-200mb shadow updates.
oneiros
>>1978191>The Maelstrom is the one out of the entire set I haven't bothered to usecuz it sucks at everything you want to use a Minmatar battleship for. Even with the recent buff, it still gets outperformed by basically every other battleship except when you want to do memeshit like throw triple XLASBs on it, and even then a Cyclone or Sleipnir is better at that kind of thing.
>>1978777Who cares, 180mb takes 10sec to download unless you're a broke 3rdie.
>>1979787Cuz it pays bank if you do it right, and its mildly more entertaining than spinning Ishtars for less money
>FRThttps://br.evetools.org/br/68d780654ff6700012d936bb
Is there something as OP as 84% kin resist on a frigate?
it performs pretty similar to hyperion though, fuck off meme fits
>>1979787Over 3 days logging in and joining the standing FW fleet doing mostly nothing for a few hours a night, not even plexing on purpose, I earned more LP than a month of grinding lvl4s for 6+ hours a day in a marauder. I guess the appeal is that it's as safe as can be, and you can easily use fits that let you go afk and not worry about it. I used to work a night shift job monitoring an automated assembly line years ago and I ran L4 missions on a laptop just to have something to do that I could walk away from on a moments notice and not worry about, so I get it.
>>1981140>>1981333Who cares if it pays well, sometimes it's just fun to sit back and shoot red dots. No need to turn it into a job.
very based, it really isnt about the money, unless you make it out to be, blitzing and burner missions. personally, its how I learned nearly every 'basic' thing related to combat: application, tracking, navigation, ranges of different weapons, the list could go on, taking in the atmosphere and the lovely music (which they should have more of). upgrading from a coercer to a drekavac is one of the best feelings ive had in a vidya. i still have that L3 machine sitting in jita. as i began to understand the weapon platforms, i saved up enough from the LP store and eventually skilled into everything i needed to fly my NApoc for level 4 missions, which is, by the way, incredibly soulful and not gay. I witnessed power spikes ill never be able to experience again in an interactive media. being able to safely pop cerebrals and sit in my training clone, the dailies, the login bonuses, i skyrocketed in sp. now I can be poor and happy, or I can get more affluent than i am now and efficiently grind, or pvp, for fun. in fact, I wish people did missions more, because thousands of people are absolute abysmal dog shit at this game, but the main attraction the players tell other players is to get rich-rich-rich, and people want to plex their accounts and 'play for free' and run 12 alts. man, I cant believe the amount of people I've seen with horrible skill allocation, lack of weapon platforms, flying marauders without T2 guns, maybe they even only have level 1 or 2 in their skill page. depending on how you make your isk, it can make you retarded, boring, and greedy. i havent been playing long, only 2ish years, but its staggering how people have 150m sp compared to my 72m sp, and they dont even have all cruisers to level V, or all their support skills for guns and missiles arent even maxed out
>missionsbaka
stfu triple baka
okay lamaze
>>1981362Basically yeah. Just so happens to be chill and pay decently well.
>2d star mappandering to zoomer and gen alpha subhuman retards who don't understand 3d space
>pretending the 3d map was ever useful for actual navigation
It should've been a 2D Dotlan-style map from the beginning. Pity that Zkill ruined their map a month or two ago. Lags like piss for no reason now and looks worse.
I'm a new player running npc combat missions, Do I need to upgrade to Omega or fly alpha for now? Once I pay for premium time I feel pressured to play (or else I am wasting money). I just wanna have fun bros.
missions are gay
>>1984895Once you get to L4 missions, you'll have to upgrade to omega because you can't take them otherwise. You could look for similar content that's not locked as well, there's a few other things that work like them but will probably need you to travel or make other sacrifices.High sec DED sites can be found by clearing out those combat sites that spawn randomly around high sec, such as Guristas (Or any other pirate name) Hideaways, Blood Raider Refuges, Sansha Dens, etc. Each one you clear has a chance to spawn a miniboss that can drop some decent loot and escalate to a new site that is guaranteed to have a boss in it with a high chance to drop loot. You can do these sites in a cruiser for the most part, though the escalations you get from a pirate Den need a battleship most likely. They can pay well but they're a slot machine, you could do one and immediately get 150m ISK in loot from it or you could do a dozen and see nothing.Joining a group in nullsec gives you access to higher tier versions of these that pay well for their bounties in addition to rare loot, but then you have to interact with nullsec.Abyss can be done in high sec, needing a frigate or cruiser to clear. They pay fairly reliably, but there's a hump to get over in terms of difficulty--the lower tier versions of abyss are pretty easy and if you clear them quickly pay well, but the mid tier ones are significantly harder and although each site pays better, you spend longer clearing them so the overall pay is similar. Abyss eventually requires a very expensive cruiser but can pay very well for a solo activity you can do on demand, and even high tier abyss doesn't need omega.Incursions are in high sec and are like missions except done with a fleet. They move around and require a battleship and ten or so people. There's incursion groups that take anyone, but they usually have their own rules as to what you can fly, though absolute newbie ships are fine (IE, Praxis with lasers).
>all-out of structureskek
Rip Satori never forget.
>>1984336>>1984486thanks, but I'm using the original 2d map
>>1973484>all the Eve mods broke earlier this year so you have to manually make the Eve factions yourself and use a flag mod to add the faction's logosNTAYou mean to say that you do not archive your installer exe files for each game version, along with all of the DLC installers?And you also do not do any new-version testing before you "deploy to production"?Software Pirates are far ahead of your game experience capabilities.And "Good Old Games" is also trying, since you can at least download unpirated installers from that service, if you actually care about such things.
both the 3d and 2d maps are fine and didnt need this useless ass dev time in it, what is actually the benefit? now I can see how far people can blops? whatever
We use waypoint to move around but most people ignore that there are pocket systems exist and people have a hard time finding them along the routes. the 2d map will help with that.
>>1986912I am inclined not to complain about it too much because unlike most useless features CCP adds, this one is a step in the right direction to integrate dotlan's mapping system into the game. Perhaps CCP will make their own integrated Pathfinder/Tripwire/Galaxyfinder next.>>1986946It helps for pocket systems, but it also helps just give statistics in an easier to read format as you travel. See the average number of pilots in space, NPC/Player kills, etc at a glance on an easier to see 2D map. Pretty nice when you're rolling your LS/NS exit and want to see what's around quickly without having to navigate through a clunky 3D map.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxCtey-z_c0
I know it's a longshot asking here, but is there any hard data on what quantity of resources you get for salvaging various player wrecks? I have a pretty good idea what NPCs salvage into, but I'm curious how stable the resources you get from salvaging structure wrecks and player battleships are.
>>1986286Well being real I'm a new player when it comes to Stellaris and got it for $10 on sale a month or two ago. First thing I did after an initial playthru to learn the game was to look for Eve mods and turns out they all broke with an update some months/years ago which is just a RIP. Ended up just making my own Eve factions using a "1000 custom logos" mod that had some Eve faction logos in it and thats been fun. I just used ChatGPT to give me the more lore accurate abilities/govt types and stuff for each faction so they fit thematically .Currently watching Angel Cartel kill Amarr while Caldari State sneak in from behind and claim all the systems Angels are clearing.
>>1987875>Amarr: Imperial, Fanatic Spiritualist, Authoritarian>Divine Empire, Imperial Cult, Slaver Guilds>Caldari: Oligarchic, Materialist, Authoritarian, Xenophobic>Executive Committee, Merchant Guilds, Cutthroat Politics>Gallente: Democratic, Egalitarian, Materialist, Xenophile>Representative Democracy, Beacon of Liberty, Idealistic Foundation>Minmatar: Democratic, Fanatic Egalitarian, Militarist, >Assembly of Clans government, Warrior Culture, Scavengers>Blood Raiders: Oligarchic, Fanatic Militarist, Spiritualist>Band of Blood, Barbaric Despoilers, Death Cult>Guristas Pirates: Megacorp, Materialist, Militarist, Egalitarian>Pirate Haven, Criminal Heritage, Letters of Marque>Angel Cartel: Megacorp, Materialist, Militarist, Xenophile>Criminal Syndicate, Criminal Heritage, Refurbishment Division>Serpentis: Megacorp, Fanatic Materialist, Egalitarian>Criminal Syndicate, Criminal Heritage, Pharma State>Sansha's Nation: Hive Mind>Integrated Hive, Autonomous Drones, Subsumed Will>Servant Sisters of EVE: Oligarchic, Spiritualist, Xenophile, Pacifist>Irenic Bureaucracy, Memorialists, Eager Explorers>Rogue Drone Hive: Machine Intelligence>Artificial Intelligence Network, Astro-Mining Drones, Static Research Analysis
>>1987654>GosheeThat's a name I haven't heard in a long time....
>>1987924>>Amarr
lapsed to alpha I dont think they're ever bringing back the juicy nes omega+mct
How do I make the svipul work in pvp? small autocannons too short range, artilleries too slow and clunky.
you dont because it doesnt
just stop being a shit pilot
>>1989533invent a time machine and go back to 2013.
>>1989490I don't think so either, they realized it was too good of deal and too many people were waiting on it every year. I'm sure they'll do worse sales for 1 omega+2mct though at some point.
Maybe your game needs to stay 15usd a month despite rising inflation but on the other hand your game phasing out due to abysmal unpopularity?
>>1989533you can'tccp suitonia couldn't kill it with a kestrel so he had to nerf it into obscurity
the skill system should be removedthere's no way I'd push eve to my "clan" of gaymer friends even if many of them would probably like it because of the massive time/money commitment in getting a new account in competitive shapethere's is also a glaring absence of good small group objectives
You can be competitive in less than 5 days training ewar and frigates
>>1991209I do hate the skills system and the very old school "here's how we keep you subscribed" mentality it's based on but I feel like everyone being able to do everything from the get-go would be bad. It would be interesting if they could implement something more akin to a traditional XP system for doing actions in game. But it would be such a change I don't see it ever happening.I wish they'd just get rid of attributes finally, how many Fan fests have they announced they're going to do it?
nobody cares. capital nerfs when
Cap problems? Nope, have mindflood with me.
>>1991209The skill system should be revamped to be similar to the fitting system. Limited amount of space and slots to fit specific skills.Remove the basic fitting skills like Amarr Frigate and Caldari Hauler and Small Projectile Turret, remove fitting skills, make it so that any character can sit in any ship with any fitting from day 1. I shouldn't have to hear when I give someone a ship, "Oh, but I don't have destroyers trained! I guess I can't fly it."Make skills discrete with a single rank. Instead of Small Energy/Projectile/Hybrid Turret I-V, you have just Gunnery Proficiency which increases damage of all turrets when installed in a clone. Other skills are dependent on having it installed, so if you want to use something like Gunnery Motion Prediction you have to have its prerequisite on.Each skill takes up a certain amount of points and each clone has a maximum. You can equip the same skill multiple times, but it costs more points each time. Implants no longer increase attributes, instead increasing the total number of available points in a clone, allowing you to install more skills--implants have been merged, getting rid of all discrete hardwiring implants and all unique pirate implants, which now just give additional clone skill points compared to the regular implant types.
>>1974029Seconding this again since the test server is up this weekend. I've already lost a few Worms trying to do T3, trying to think what else I could do.
>>1991209Skill points honestly dont matter as much as people think they do and eventually every Eve player gets to a point where you just keep rerolling low skillpoint characters for different stuff instead of trying to use your high skillpoint main for everything.
>>1992204Ironically, skill points matter little in large scale combat that typically involves veteran players fighting for alliances and matters the most when it's small gangs or 1v1 where most new players will naturally gravitate to. If you want to start taking fights in FW or whatever, you really want to have maxed navigation and weapon skills. This doesn't even get into mining where your skillpoints are a direct relation to how much you can mine per hour. Either CCP needs to find a way to relax the need for SP in the areas of the game newbies play in or needs to find new ways to bring people into fleets where their SP doesn't matter as much.
literally nothing wrong with the skill point system, get biology v and pop genius cerebrals, maybe some LSIs on the side. ive only been playing 2 years, and I have 72m sp. do your dailies
>hilmar posting in eog
>>1992204no one does this
>>1992236>large scale combat>veteranslolmao, vets go back to small gang/solo once they realise how shit large scale combat is
>>1992243>hey guys, there's this cool game Eve:Online I used to play that I think you'd enjoy>we could do some fleet ops and shiiiiiiiit>ok, sounds cool, let's play>right, now we are gonna create some accounts for you, pay 100$ and wait for half a year, then we can play!>??????????
>>1992382veteran pvpers sureyou're discounting the large majority of the playerbase that has tons of sp and very little individual abilitythose players gravitate to the blobs
>>1992393you can do fun stuff in facwar as soon as you start your account, your main enemy is going to be learning the game mechanics at the beginning, and properly piloting, i think the skilling time is less of an issue, sp just makes you more efficient at what you do, because if you get 3 or 4 lads in frigates, youll be able fuck someone up pretty easy, but if you dont know what youre doing, youll just approach and die. fuck it, if your friends are so against any form of progression, they can just do what the dev of the game advertises: buy plex and a booster pack, or sell plex to jump-start your career, spend around $50 total for plex-to-isk for LSIs and some spare dough, and 1 month of sub, and run assault frigates.
fw is gay
ur dad gay
>>1993609>your main enemy is going to be learning the game mechanics at the beginningStopped reading here, your main enemy is going to be multiboxing Algos or Vexors or whatever to farm or they'll be a decade old character with snakes in their head. You're better off taking fights with ratters in null than you are FW.
>>1992393just inject €1000 worth of sp straight to your veins
>>1993792man stfu
my dad does fw
>>1993815>no, don't scare away the fish, I haven't had a fight in over a year!!
>>1992249Most people do, all the time. Eventually you get sick of waiting on jump clone timers or sick of moving around so you start just making 5-20mil SP alts and parking them around everywhere for different stuff. Specially scanning alts, never a bad idea to have 10 random alpha scanning alts to park in good wormholes you've found that you want to farm later n shit like that. if you do FW you'll have at least 2-6 alts for that plus a hauling/market alt.
>>1992393With the 1mil SP recruitment link you can quite literally jump immediately into Faction Warfare if you have a sugar daddy friend to buy and fit cheap ships for you.
>>1993904It just makes sense to spool up a few alts for various activities. I have:>Main, which usually sits in the home wormhole>Guristas FW alt, sits in Zarzahk>HS Miner character for boosting/running fleets for HS division>Abyss alt>Numerous backup characters for home defenseThis doesn't even count the 40+ alpha accounts I have seeding various wormholes.
>>1993792i've ran shitty multiboxers off in navy frigates. also, nigger.
>>1993999Sure you have, fag. Get lost with your retardation.
>>1994004haha nigger, i have trips and u dont. stupid cunt. i will
>Ice prices up>Decide to go out to mine some for a relaxing night>Literally no one at this belt in high sec for the past three hoursHS ice is just shy of 100m ISK/hr now in a boosted Hulk, why aren't you out mining eog?
Beams are so powerful the stratios doesn't need a dmg bonus for it, don't even know why I'm using drones, by the time they get there the enemies are already shredded by the melting beams of light.
>>1994180Use Beams+Sentries.
your main enemies in fw are chink farmers who multibox countless alts to grief and awox
the only people recommending FW to noobs is the giga autists farming them in 10B T1 frig setups or something equally gay
>Not Amarr
>>1994152Because 100m/hr is shit.
sybau
Making my mark on new Eden, one rock at a time.
Starminer can't come soon enough
Too bad it lacks the grand scale of eve so we are stuck being unsubbed to EO
I don't need grand scale when I can have autism
>>1996507im subbed for 3 more years
6 more months and i can let my shit lapse and finally be free
>>1996493>Starminerif u mine in eve i encourage your migration.
>>1994853>the only people recommending FW to noobs is the giga autists farming them in 10B T1 frig setups or something equally gayfaction warfare is a retarded amount of ISK for noobs. the only time I've ever seen a frig in FW worth more than 300m was a 400b sidewinder. ironically, he was in neon nightmares, the gayest alliance in the game.
>>1997624FW is really good ISK for noobs if you a) know how to farm sites, and b) don't care about the PvP aspect of it. I have an alt in GuriFW I use to print Gilas when I want them.
free gilas
Do I have go check what a Babaroga is?
>>2000375It's an overpriced piece of shit, a T2 battleship, triglavian marauder.
>fly Gila and Rattle and like it.>remember captain reddit also like Guristas.>check him.>he literally larping as pirate and sing shanty song Err.... Am I going to become like him if I fly Guristas? Should I delete all my drones skill and fly another ship?
Drones are the weapon of choice for redditors.Lasers are /eog/ certified.Fly Amarr.
>>2001004Guristas ships are reddit ships.
Forgive me God as I've sinned. I've deviated from holy path. But I've returned to One True Way. So, I will redeem myself. There is no God but One True God and Minmatar is my eternal slaves.
>>2001024I fly Sisters of EVE.
>>2001310SoE needs more high slots for their guns, none of their fittings really fill the high slots with lasers and usually just use neuts.
they need laser cap usage bonus
Missile or Laser?
amarr but without a shred of irony
flying amarr unapologetically
>only 3 turrets for Dark Blood/True Sansha crystals.>Turn 800mm plate into 1600mm, and 1600mm into 3200mm>still room for two neutsANI is stupidly underated.
trying to fly it without cap booster is hard
>>2002804I have them as part of our defense doctrine, but the PNI gets used more. Same damage, but range so long you can't get away from it, drone bonus for tackle that tries to get under your beams, far more EHP due to fitting space. Those ships aren't catching shit though, I'm seriously debating taking off the prop mod because going from 120 m/s to 170 m/s isn't worth the fitting.
>>2002804ANI is good at what it does but it suffers badly from being slow, having no range control and weak to neuts. Pairs well with good tackle. Wouldnt fly it solo.
omen
>amarr
is it apocs online yet
>>2005691Yes
There's still no point flying anything but T3C, dictors and Marauders.
t3 destroyers are cooler
marauder ice mining...
init get fucked. FRT burn them down and then die too.
>still playing unironically
>Want to do some combat sites for shits in giggles in my Harbinger>Find basically zero DED sites after an hour of searching, just fly back to station and take a level 4 mission so I have at least something to shoot>Blockade vs Sansha>Perma-tracking disrupted, can't even complete the mission because my range with scorch is 3km
Wouldn't do Blockade with HAMs and blasters either, that's just silly.
>joined FRT Feels so good. All your farm spot are belongs to us. Can't wait to awox in FW with my chinese brothers.
ess
>haven't played since 2012I wonder where my super is
>>2011549If I ever start playing this shit again I'll for sure join frat, lmao.
soon, i will fly a carrier to roll wormholes, and then i can get an infinite amount of vitals and instrumental reservoir to purchase more carriers
why are they advertising plex with a pic of an onahole
>>2011549kys
>Ice belt gets mine out later than normal this morning>Respawn off more than two hours from its normal timereeeee
Every other winter I get the urge to play again, and it's time. Convince me not to, or tell me what's wrong with EVE now.
>what's wrong with EVE nowThe same thing as before - the worst devs on the planet. Hilmar should be given some sort of a lifetime award of being the most retarded CEO on the planet.
T1 cruisers need to be nearly in line with T2, the reason you'd pay 300 mil for T2 is the edge of having additional bonuses over T1
ccp needs to add t4 cruisers that you make in a new 3d editor called Ship CRUISR that lets you build your ship from different 3d model parts
Poochven and its consequences have been a disaster for the game.
>>2016420correct
Amarr
wormholes also
>>2016438doesn't seem that realistic as the sun is blazing directly on the spacecraft at all times o algo o asi
>>2016541Eve should be all WHs.
>>2016626There really should've been an EVE spinoff that was all wormhole systems, no k-space. Just a focus on building up your home wormhole and raiding others for loot/mining for resources.
relic/data shitter exploration on alpha is kind of fun
why is it fun?
>>2016710it is, until some sweaty astero or stratios gets to your site first
I'm not retarded so that never happens
>>2016438Why not missiles? Or drone swarms even. I really don't see lasers being used as main caliber till we solve both energy generation and heat dissipation problems.
>>2016070Eve's fine like it was always fine. Its only the mega 20h a day minmax sweatlords that cant have fun in a spaceship game.
>>2016667picrel is basically already this except its a pay-for-gems Stellaris phone game.
>>2017033The theory is that space combat will take place across astronomical distances to such a point that slowburning with missiles/drones will be fruitless. Of course, none of it means anything if they can't power or cool the thing down. It's all maybe a bit optimistic.
Thoughts on the "Ships the Bellicose can 1v1" tierlist video?
I think you really should go back to l*ddit.
omen wins easily
Forgot a daily reward fml.
>>2016667That's basically what Frontier is.
>raiding others for loot/mining for resources.eeh thats when you stop playing, a game won't survive like that.
>>2020451It's kinda sad that most of eve dev these past recent years has been just near continuous fomo login campaigns while actual development is in a virtual standstill.
>Want to delete drone skill for laser.>I might fly Redeemer. Also all ship have a drone slot or 2.>want to delete missile for laser.>I might fly stealth bomber.
never extract skills retard
>exploration command burstsWhat kind of bonuses will this even give? Command bursts are for fleets, exploration is generally solo. I'm baffled but curious.
>Carriers updatedoh no
>just finished training into carriers because I expected a buffOh yes
the only "buff" carriers need is dread nerfs
maybe probe scanning bonuses? they could slap on a warp speed bonus if they're insane
oh and the ship is bonused for gas scoops so maybe something there
>new ships>mining changesHOLY FUCKING KINO EVE IS BACK100m for t1 BS soon!
>>2022228can't wait to have fun in pvp again
New ships are just pointless bloat and power creep at this point.
>power creep>SOE shipBroski...
give me tldr. do we have hacking soe carrier?
>>2022316BC
>>2022321Does it have lasers/hybrid turrets like stratios?
>hybrid turrets>stratioswhat
None of the changes presented do anything to fix the major issues in this game. If anything, they will just buff the gigablob.
>muh blob just sit in you're WH
>>2022373what are the major issues
>>2022389Hilmar is the biggest.
So... the nothingburger today is mining destroyer (10 years late and the fuck we need ventures now) and exploration command ship (because nothing screams more "teamplay" than the most solo activity in the game). Oh, and there is even less conflict drivers now because new magic ore.Seems legit CCP update, I can even play a little.
obviously the new magic ore will be a conflict driver
>>2022402correct
>>2022302Unless mining has fundamentally changed, I don't see how the new ships will help at all. Everyone will still gravitate towards the max yield exhumers in any circumstance because yield trumps everything else.And for the command ship, there's still the problem that it's difficult to get stuff you mine back to market if you range too far, so there needs to be some sort of way to move vast amounts of ice and ore a long distance.
mineral dst wenlike a t2 kryosgib
>>2022342No bonuses to them, but it does have turret slots to fit gas cloud scoops.
>>2022438At this point, the magic ore doesn't matter at all. Null can already print every type of mineral at will without leaving their system, so the only thing it does is bring some (pathetic) parity to the rest of the galaxy. 95% of industry will still be done in null.
>>2022546Coming as T3 hauler, subsystem swaps allow changing the specialized bays on it.
incredibly pointless
>>2022559god i wish
hello eve enjoyers... niggers.
>>2022302This, we already have like 427 ships, I'd rather they just fix/balance the ones we fucking have
>>2022321This looks like a ship designed by the kinds of retards who keep crying that they want a ship that does everything but does everything badly.
>turret range bonus>no damagewhy do they keep doing this
>group explorationI will do absolutely anything to avoid playing with other retards. the small gang "leaders" are always extreme fags. veteran, extremely old, or british. not to mention small gangs are led by incompetent niggers, by virtue of a lower average highest IQ with smaller sample size, which typically also is never fc, instead you get greasehead faggot nigger cunt wetback british crusty ass old motherfucker.>tldr im not fucking playing with other people
>wow ur really vocal during fleets, dude, ill use you for more alliance fleet activities>he murmurs about irrelevant shit the second there's any fleet downtime
>you're really active, man, you'll be receiving a promotion>logs in to immediately spam alliance chat with cringe stream of consciousness autism
>>2023266>muh kiting
>not being british
>salvager range boost
>CCP makes a mining focused expansion>Names it after one of the biggest predators of mining ships in high security space
who the fuck would ever do explo in a small fleet? for solo scanning and hacking it's hard to see how a new meme boat would be any faster than covops
>cov-ops battlecruiser that can enter frig holesThis is actually nuts
>>2024694By a small fleet, I do it with alts. One to scan with a set of Virtues, one with a cheap covert ops so if it explodes while hacking I lose nothing, and a blockade runner to store loot. Seems like I won't need the third anymore.
>>2023196The ship can be potentially strong. We need know its slots.>Expedition reach charge >enhance DIREACTIONAL SCANNER
Apolog->1000 m/s ACK
There a reward for hopping into singul?
No new ships on test server. Only mining rifts.
>1000 m/syes it's a bc
>>2024755Incredibly inefficient setup and you would still not put a command ship on grid. You should just put your toons into Ishtars and make better money for less effort.
>>2026073I'd make more money doing T6 cruiser or T5 frigate abyss, sometimes it's about doing it because I enjoy it. Also, ghost site payout is what makes it worth it, each one is about 500m-1b ISK and I'm finding one in j-space every couple of days, plus mapping dozens of systems as I go.
>>2025677That's slow for a Battleship anon. My absolutely retarded nano Rokh memefit goes that fast.
>nanothese increase your speed
Oneiros
Anyone here tried emulate eve with phone?
>AT is on>Nobody cares
too busy talking about it with my corp
did they make it interesting this year
It's always interesting if you're playing in it
thats a lie
>>2019331Half of those ships would bbq the bellicose before it even got close. I've purposefully taken bait bellicoses in my ishtar bot hunting proteus and had no issues dealing with it. It is this some new propaganda for retards?
>>2027585Probably Gmoney tier list. You fight XLAB Bellicose with one jammer at 0 in ESS.
A guy with Recon Ships 1 just won an AT match. SP is no excuse. Why aren't you flying in the AT?
because it's boring
I'm shitter.
rip carl you will be missed ;_;/our/ guy has been killed by chinks
Fat chinese tinker UwU
the chinks are too fat to be bumped
goons are still shit more news at 11.
goons are gay and retardedt. goons
goons getting raped by a big black bird and FC was just like "fuck it primary is loki"
>have three svipuls and a raptor>ignore the two hounds tearing your BCs to shreds
>No fast tracking beam lasersyour fault
>svipul
bring 3 cenos win.........
>Hydra >in losersHUH?
TOTAL MERLiN DEATH
>i think i'll play some eve>new crimson harvest sites, cool, let's look for some tier 3 biohazard things>buy a hecate>scan some wormholes>find nothing>hours passwelp time to log off, that was fun
Eve needs a complete overhaul with more modern engine and reworked basic gameplay loops.
>>2027814eve would be a better game if instead of RLML Quad Light Beam lasers would fill a similar role
>>2027334because they always host the AT during like a billion other things going on at the same time. Every fucking game has a Halloween event going on plus Eve's on its 2nd one back to back with no break between, plus everyone's distracted with BF6 for a few more weeks so every other game may as well not exist right now.
>>2027585Bellicose is lowkey the strongest Tech 1 cruiser by a big margin. It's got nothing but decent buffs over and over again for over 10 years>>2027690ECM ships are piss weak, you just pop the blackbird/falcon/rook real quick and move on to your next easy kill
>>2027334>>2028231just a isk printing for a 50 man mafia don't bother, i don't believe anything remarquable happened neither
>>2028233>ECM ships are piss weakI mean Gmoney's Bellicose had one jammer but now it seems like he runs two webshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBwT0iiyyYk
>THL went 1-2lmao
>japanese Apoc flagship was 460 bills worth
>THL, Barcode and Plat all out without winning any prize shipsBoring my arse, this AT's been crazy
>>2028940>retard meta where retard can run on top tier team and kill them with no skillwow.
If you have no cap juice you're pretty much dead, that's why you fly amarr for those expanded capacitor reserves.
i just fly amarr because they look the coolest.
>>2028601he has a bunch of fits he uses. but cuz Shields are still the meta he runs XLASB with implants and blue pill a lot of the time. a lot of his success is the engagability of the Bellicose. No-one really flies it, so no-one knows how strong it is or even knows what it does. Its the same for a lot of off-meta ships. Ppl think its bad so they just approach to 0km and go afk with guns on, then act surprised that they lost.
>asbfag
>frat team>trumps bloodthirstkekwhy are chinks so chuddy?
napocs need to be nerfed
>evasive are stallingthis is so GAY
>>2030691lmao what a stupid match
Chad Bhaal
Bhaal won the game.
>Imitate fellatio but as a spaceship>win
>When your static wormhole has been end of life with one hour remaining for the last two hours
>>2031401Those notes are based on the minimum possible lifetime. Wormholes have variance on lifetime just like they do on mass. I've seen wormholes stay EOL for up to 7 hours.
>>2031421I figured when it was +/- 10% lifetime, it'd be at most 4.4 hours EOL and 1.1 hours super EOL. I haven't really recorded what the longest something been EOL for, but a feeling says it can be pretty long.I think too wormholes only check their EOL timers every 10 or so minutes, or when someone passes through them. I've seen a lot of wormholes time out just as soon as I've jumped which can't be a coincidence. So I wouldn't doubt one's timer's probably been expired for a bit, but the global check on wormholes hasn't happened to make it expire yet. It's probably a chance based thing, like the game only checks X amount of wormholes across the servers at any given time and sometimes a wormhole can remain unchecked for a long time.
I've come to the conclusion that EO has ruined gaming for me. EO especially in its current maintenance mode and with the dog shit obsolete gameplay is not worth playing in current year. However, no real alternative with similar scale exists and every other game feels hollow and pointless. I've been coping with Foxhole which manages to be a good EO-lite. I especially like the way more whelpable feel of the equipment in the game, as even the most expensive stuff gets thrown around with reckless abandon instead of gathering dust in some mega coalition staging like eve supers. But when I intermittently burn out with Foxhole I'm always back to the original problem of everything being unplayable junk. Thanks for reading my blog, like comment and subscribe.
>EO
>>2032083>I've come to the conclusion that EO has ruined gaming for me.This but unironically. I try to play other shit but I eventually get to a point where I realise that Eve just does a lot of shit better than other games, which is sad when you see how lazy/shit/uncaring CCP are about a lot of shit.
>>2032083>I've come to the conclusion that EO has ruined gaming for me.It's the exact opposite feeling for me. I now have more appreciation for more specialized games that stick to their niche and do it well. EO seems like the prototype for those Ubisoft sandboxes that came to plague the gaming post 2010, where they try to make up for a lack of actual good gameplay by just cramming as much shit as possible in the game. EO gameplay is just boring and unimaginative as shit, be it in terms of PVP or PVE. Once I am done with this game (which will be relatively soon) I am - and I say this without a trace of irony - going back to DOTA2 and some other PVP games. EO really made me appreciate how much more polished, focused and balanced the PVP aspect of those games is.
>>2032695I took a break from EVE in July and played DotA2 every weekend before eventually coming back to EVE. DotA is great, but EVE scratches an itch you just can't get anywhere else, no matter how bad the core systems are.
>>2032699>EVE scratches an itch you just can't get anywhere elseNot for me, but to each their own I guess.
EVE is the only real MMO
>>2032699I've been a very on-and-off EVE player and no matter how long a break I take I always find myself coming back because of that itch.
>Almost 10 years of amarr shitpostinghttps://4chanarchives.com/board/vg/thread/128294435?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=yasmartcamera#p128580941kys
>>2032808It's been going on longer than that.
>Ashimmu buffbased
>just turn them into faggy kite slop like everything else
ibeast said he will stream Zealot after TholosAmarr supremacy is BACK
>>2033202It never left
>ibeast
>>2032790Same, I'm back because Star Citizen servers have been on fire the past 2 weeks.
>>1978805I like those slower tracks desu. Gallentean Refuge and But we still go on are my favs
>Still need to get 450 event points for the plex rewardBeen doing explo and the bio, there must be a faster way of doing this.
>>2033996https://secure.eveonline.com
>>2033996I haven't done the bio caches at all, I just never bother with that sort of thing because I can't be assed to fly to a market, grab a frigate that I think should be fit right, and then try the sites which may or may not pay well. I've done a ton of exploration sites because I scan my local wormhole chain daily and pick up whatever's there.
>>2034133They're easy until the squall suddenly spawns and suddenly slams you with 500 explosive dps.
>>2034281How easy are we talking here, could I pop in a level 1 site with an Astero in a combat fit and clear them? Because that's basically all I have.
Did my first one on a beam punisher you should be fine if you put some omni resists, and be ready to burst the squall down and not take your sweet time like me lol.
>>2032820>>2032808longer than that, I still have threads of our shitposting saved from 2012 or so and I wasnt even the first to start archiving them.
>>2033996do the Class 1 biocyber sites. You'll finish the whole tracker in a night with a 3mil isk Tech 1 frigate.
>>2034436I remember way back in like 09 when /v/ first formed Broski Enterprises there was so much OC, and I barely saved any of it. It's not one of my biggest regrets but sometimes I feel a little bit sad about it.
I bought a thunderchild, what do I do with it?
>>2034642Sell it and buy a better ship
>>2034642Buy two more and a Jaguar, afk rat in Null and get blopsed on.
>>2034642double it and sell it to the next person
>>2034819How do you get blopsed on when the absolute max effort to avoid it is to listen to the intel bot pinging and fleetwarping your shit away?
step 1 be a gay retard
>>2035017Tell me where your thunderCHILDs are. System and your CHILDing time ToT
>>2034642Sell it and buy a Typhoon Fleet Issue instead
>TFI>not TFI
>Warnings Raised Over Drifter Wormhole Experiments>https://universe.eveonline.com/new-eden-news/warnings-raised-over-drifter-wormhole-experiments?utm_source=launcher&origin=launcher&utm_content=enWhat does it all mean?
that they're putting some stuff in or near drifter whs. might be ok
It means CCPNIGGER continuous ignoring the game instead of fixing it.
ccp doing anything but making c2 and c3 worth ratting to make low class something other than a pi-12-alt-gas-huffing-100m-isk-per-cloud nightmarish hell
Seen some corp sporting this random dog as their avatar, what is up with that?
I'm reinstalling Eve, the last time i played was...2014-2015? How fucked am I?
The meta, has been shaken.
>>2039096Basically the same as when you last played except >nullification isnt passive anymore except on shuttles and only certain ships can fit a nullifier>warp core stabs have to be activated now and you're limited to 1 per ship>ECM bursts are haulers and some other ships only now>Triangle aliens stole 27 systems from us so now Jita to Amarr is 40 jumps>bunch of new content, most of it pays really well and is easy to get into>bunch of new ships, SoCT ships like Sunesis, Gnosis and Praxis are great new player or low SP pilot ships. >FW got revamped and you can do it for Angels and Guristas now as well if you wantn some other shit.
>log off for 1 minute>All scanned and ignored anoms reset.
>>2040036>Assets spread all over the universe while i'm in fucking Curse with a single heretic>-9.3 sec status, so I guess highsec is fucked anyway>Barely 100m isk in liqud>AIR career, the agency, Opportunities, what the fuck are these?I'm gonna check out my other accounts but holy fuck why didn't I bother consolidating my shit while i had a chance.
>want to join corps in Delve so I can farm Blood Raider point.>applied to 3 corps >none of them responded.>all their discord link expired.>there is only one option left but their corp leader is a tranny.
>>2040225Welp. Even that tranny corp link is expired. The only corp left is fucking 25% tax rate corp.
>>2040225It's fucking gay that the only way to get BR/Serpentis/Mordu ships are from the two or three L4 agents each have deep in nullsec that are heavily guarded by Frat/Goons/Init. Angry Mustache should be drawn and quartered for pushing for that on the CSM.
>>1970789is there any fun to be had in this if I want to spend $0-$10? like is it a hard paywall after 20 hours? or is it like 200 hours of grinding required after 20 hours?
>>2040370If I had to do it over again, I'd just play as an alpha account and occasionally buy omega for in game money. You don't have to spend anything to enjoy EVE unless you like industry.
>>2040370There's a hard paywall if you want to do any PVP or most sorts of more advanced PVE. You will realistically also need a minimum of two paid accounts if you want to play the game on ~elite~ level and not look like a complete retard.The free account should be regarded as trial mode (with some utility as extra accounts if you already have a paid sub). I absolutely wouldn't recommend starting this game at this point. Play something like Foxhole instead.
>>2040370there's no grind unless you are trying to alpha with isk as a new player which is dumbpay the 20 bucks and have fun
>You will realistically also need a minimum of two paid accounts if you want to play the game on ~elite~ level and not look like a complete retardplaying on one account is totally fine faggot
No, it really isn't and if you think it is you are completely clueless and have never actually played the game.
it is2 accounts is for cap alts, industry or "solo" pvp
Post kb so we can point and laugh.
post yourself not being a homo for once
So, what happened to the 4chan corps, the broski and such?
the same thing that always does
>>2040381This is the reality of solo play PvP, but as long as you stick with a group, a lot of problems are mitigated. PvE is not as bad in this regard, you can farm sleepers, run abyss, or whatever just fine as an alpha.
>>2040186anon i'll buy all your shit anywhere for a good price* mail winter croft in game*better than highsec/lowsec buyback
>>2040640Cmon, back in my days, I'd have at least offered to "recruit" me and "offer" me to ship my stuff to a secure station
What activities can I do in this game while drunk? I have the urge to play, but I only have so much capital to spend on stupidity
mine ice
>>2041075I would rat in nullsec in a Tengu. Lost millions of SP so far, but somehow it's worth it.
>>2040944im not interested in recruiting nor "recruiting" youjust give me a list of your assets and their location and i will make you an offeri just want to keep money away from big buyback fucks
>>2040186-9.3 isnt bad, just rat in lowsec for a bit to get some clone soldier tags and you'll have it higher in no time. >AIR Career programbasically steam achievements that give you skillpoints, skins, isk and skillbooks for completing em. >opportunitiesjust an easier way to find content around you basically.
>>2040186Jita Buyback is a thing now. A lot of groups/services will buy your shit no matter where it is for 10% cheaper than Jita price.
>>2040370you can play for free for literally years anon. worst case just pick up the subscription when its on sale for $12 or $15.
>>2041075>What activities can I do in this game while drunk?Basically everything. Almost everyone in Eve is either drunk, high or just old.
>>2041155There's some stipulations though, they won't buy all PI at Jita buy -10% or anything you'd sell in bulk. They know when you dump several billion water-cooled cpus on them there's not enough movement in the market for them to liquidate it.I was upset to find when I exported all my shit from a wormhole they were only paying like half of what a janice appraisal would give.
>>2040225>>2040237>applied to 3 corpsYou need to manually check for active corps in alliances on killboard and directly ask them in-game. Most decent corps (outside of few in goons and phi) don't recruit openly at all. Delve is also slav land.
>Spend 4 hours rolling my static>Zero (0) decent XL lowsecs to be had
>>2040521Any decent group requires at least two accounts. Nobody wants to carry some clueless moron with a single account.
>Any decent group requires at least two accounts.Name them.
>>2041298Maybe in j-space (Which will also want a stable of alts), but anywhere else one is fine. An extra pilot is an extra pilot.
>>2041396Pretty much everywhere wants you to have at minimum a scanner or cyno alt on a different account.
join someone else then
>look at nullsec alliances>they all have member taxesI guess the time of feeding the reimbursment programs through moons & renting is over?
>>2041448They still do that. They just tax you as well.
Is 25% tax too much?
Way too much
Dreads are unironically getting too cheap. 2.8b for a Dread is stupid. Even navy dreads are down to 4b. It's retarded.
maybe if they weren't anti-capital and anti-subcapital
I think I want to change my name to be more weebish.
>Sold a blood raider crate for 2.2bWhy haven't you finished the event?
Oh boy I remembered doing quite a bit of industry in 2014-5, but that's quite a bit more than I expected. 2700 T1 BPC, 270 T2 BPC, nearly 600 BPO totalling 25b, including carrier BPO nearly perfectly researched.Why the fuck was I researching carrier BPC for a highsec manufacturing operation?
Bro, help me pick name. Cat McFishface or gang sign that only Japanese know.
Blitzing T0 abyss is kind of crap for pay. I can do each run in about 6 minutes, but it only really results in about 10m ISK/hr. Is T1 a big jump or is it still pretty bad for pay?
>>2042540flying the worm in exotics, it's 5.8m per run and about 8 mins
How much does the size of the ship impact the payout?
One Reaper could dogwalk all of EVE btw.
>>2042829Roughly 2x for duo destroyers and 3x for trio frigates. That's not exact though because the site that takes statistics, abyssal lurkers, has a higher instance of solo cruisers taking all cans in a run vs frigates taking only the bio cache.Another semi-measurement that's not fully accurate is that you can either do trio frigates or solo cruiser one tier higher to make the same pay. Frigate T0 pays the same as cruiser T1 about. If you're just doing solo and not triple boxing frigates, you'll pretty much always go towards a cruiser at some point because solo frigates cap out at T2.
>>2042937>That's not exact though because the site that takes statistics, abyssal lurkers, has a higher instance of solo cruisers taking all cans in a run vs frigates taking only the bio cacheOk that's a bit counter-intuitive to me, because I did a few T1/T2 (the pay was dogshit) in a Gila with an AB, and I often had to leave some caches behind because they were too far and I was too slow. I expected frigates/destroyers to be able to cruise toward caches faster and get more of them.
>>2042974I do it in a Gila and send my drones towards the caches to pop them, reeling them in with a MTU after the fact. Frigates can move quicker, but cruisers can often destroy caches at range with drones without having to move hardly at all. I did the same with a Sacrilege.Frigates don't always travel to the distant caches because those don't upgrade in loot value when using multiple filaments. Only the bio cache gets more stuff in it, so it proportionately has more loot and frigates just clear the site quicker by skipping the far caches.
>>2042988So you just blitz toward the gate, popping caches & rats on the way, then drop the MTU there and wait for it to reel the drop in?Would multiple MTUs drag multiple containers?
>>2043021Not always. Sometimes I burn towards the gate if the wave is easy, but on a lot I play it differently.EDENCOM/CONCORD is a DPS race, you must keep moving and try and kill Marshals ASAP. Never enter a blue cloud against them or you will die.Sansha waves have to be chipped away at, I can't take on multiple Knights up close. Thankfully they're all slow so they're easy to keep at 40km+ with the Gila where they can't neut and do lower damage.Angel waves you can fly straight to the gate, you can't avoid them anyway, they're too fast.Drifter Battleships have to be chased down to the edge of the arena. You could sit on the gate with your drones on them if you could tank them, but probably not and you wouldn't be getting your missile damage on them. These are a drain on time.Trig waves come in three flavors. Drekavacs and Vedmaks pretty much have to be fought head on, it's a damage race to kill enough before their ramp breaks your tank. Kikimoras should be ran from though and picked off at range since they usually come in big packs and don't have much HP. Leshaks must be fought at point blank range but thankfully they're made of paper, just don't let them rep each other.Drone waves should be pulled to a Deviant Automata Suppressor (Small if possible), blue cloud, or fought at the gate in that order. They can do surprisingly high DPS before you thin their ranks, so try and not sit still and fight them until you've killed some. Kill weather matching ones first (IE, Spark drones if in Electrical abyss).Sleeper cruisers are generic, kill them at a good pace. They don't need any special strategy other than good DPS.Sleeper Battleships and Drone Battleships are simple DPS checks, get close, keep moving, chip away.Once it looks like the room is under control, I'll drop the MTU and send out drones to kill caches. Doing it mid room results in having to wait for the MTU to work, but it's still quick-ish. More MTUs don't work at once.
>>2043121A lot of new players don't really understand weapon application mechanics and the abyss is where they come into play a lot more since enemies move quicker there.Most people get turrets, the faster you're flying around someone the harder time turrets have to track. They don't really get different breakpoints (Such as where they should orbit if they're a cruiser in pulse lasers fighting another cruiser with artillery), but the get the idea that small, fast ships should rapidly orbit big, slow ones at close range which is usually good enough for most situations. In k-space PvE, turrets basically have zero problems tracking things at long range because NPCs move very slowly there and don't try to evade fire, which isn't the case at all in the abyss. Having a web is very useful for abyss for cruiser class ships since slowing something by -60% effectively increases your tracking by 150%.Missiles have two attributes, explosion radius and explosion velocity, which determine how well they hit small stuff. Explosion radius is compared to the target ship's signature radius, so if the target has 50m sig and your missile has 100m ER, you do 50/100 = .5 or 50% damage to them. Explosion velocity is the same, if your missile explodes at 200 m/s and they're moving at 1000 m/s, you do 200/1000 = .2 or 20% damage to them. These compound, so 50% * 20% becomes 10% damage dealt. Again, get a web to slow their velocity, and either get rigs, guidance computers, or target painters to help the sig. Or use smaller missiles that do less paper DPS but apply better (Rapid lights).Drones are really hard to calculate, they have very high tracking but orbit very close and very quickly. You can usually get by with using drones one size bigger on targets, so medium drones vs small (Frigate/destroyer) ships. Webs can help them apply to some degree. That's why the Gila is great, its drones are very tough and apply very well to everything, even without webs.
>Webs can help them apply to some degreeI find they more often reduce applied drone damage
>>2043141There's a reason everyone flies the Gila for abyss. The drones have great application and don't die easily, the ship is pretty tanky due to being a shield ship with a resist bonus, and since drones do most of its damage it doesn't suffer as much from the low DPS of rapid light missiles. The stars lined up for the ship when you need something self-sufficient that can bully small ships and still apply respectable DPS to larger ones.The Muninn and Sacrilege are also popular to a lesser degree, needing better skills to preform as good as the Gila. Missile based ships that usually use HAMs but have application bonuses, they might have some trouble against very small ships (Drones, some frigates) but otherwise do good damage to most targets and are very tough so their tanks don't break easily. Both are flown with armor tanks to leave room for webs or guidance computers or target painters in the mids, along with a large cap battery.Cerberus works like above from an offensive standpoint but doesn't apply as well and doesn't tank as hard.Stormbringer is an imbalanced choice. It can wipe some rooms nearly instantly, but others (Battleships), it struggles against. Also very expensive and an uncommon skillset. Can be good for expert level blitzing, but expect an eventual death.Ikitursa no longer works due to spool time change.Other ships work to varying degrees. Vagabonds handle abyss somewhat well due to application especially in Gammas. Zealot is a somewhat fragile but good damage laser platform for Electricals, potentially Firestorms. Phantasm is an alpha friendly version of that.The Cynabal is a paper thin Vagabond, again alpha friendly, that caps out reliably at T4s. Stratios should be an armor Gila, except its heavy drones have bad application and it's far more expensive due to deadspace armor reps. Most others aren't worth considering for T4+ abyss due to poor cost effectiveness.
For starter cruisers, go with the Vexor or Arbitrator for drones (Arb feels very similar to a Gila so it's good practice for the ship) or the Caracal for missiles. All can do T2 abyss with a 30m ISK fitting and can potentially scale to T3 with better skills or fitting. Navy ships may or may not be slightly better depending on the bonuses they get.Solo frigates dead end at T2 abyss, but 2x Retribution/Hawk + 1x logi frigate work well up to T4 or even T5 to some degree. Destroyers are usually terrible, but T3Ds are slightly better, especially in duos. T1 Destroyers do have use for very new characters who need to meet the DPS requirements in T0/T1 abyss, nothing afterwards.>>2043147Webs hurt drone DPS while in "chase" mode. If an enemy ship is moving in a straight line, drones follow behind it with their MWD on and partially match velocity, negating tracking problems. When the ship starts to orbit, they lose DPS. Webs help when enemies settle into an orbit.
>>2043157>Ikitursa no longer works due to spool time change.Iki still works in Darks up to T5. It's more expensive, but it's also really chill because it's a smartbomb ship with a secondary weapon that kills battleships. Struggles at T6 and isn't worth the risk.As far as Cruisers for higher tiers go, the Broadsword is heavily slept on, albeit skill intensive. It's similar to the Vagabond except it has a much stronger tank and the ability to fit a Web which is a HUGE benefit if you're like me and traumatized by fucking Ghosting Damavik swarms. Broadswords can do up to T6 Gamma. If you've flown the Vaga a lot I'd highly recommend trying out the Broadsword for a couple of hours next time SiSi comes up.
>>2043237I haven't tried the Broadsword yet, I'll give it a shot. I believe I tried a Devoter to disappointing results, so I wrote off HICs for abyss.I don't really like the Ikitursa though. Yeah, the smartbomb can clear some waves very quickly, the ramping damage is good for getting rid of annoying battleship waves, but the ship is heavily dependent on -50% or -70% optimal range penalties to work, which I hate. It's like the Stormbringer, amazing when it is, has terrible lows.
Can avengers spawn in low class wormhole sites if you have a capital ship?
>>2043497No, C5 and C6 only.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH2PZAdsnkcwtf are these creatures? holy shit, how does a space game MMO employ these freaks?
holy shit you weren't kidding
they seem relatively normal considering
>mining sites that need to be scanned downfuck off I just want to kill miners
Miners? Ew
>>2043550>Make mining expansion>Name it after one of the biggest mining ship killers in the game>Make a new site that only spawns in null/low and can't reasonably be exploited by anyone but large nullsec alliances>Ore doesn't even have good value from refine and is net negative when reacted>Add in a mid tier line of mining ships that while nice, won't actually get any use because mining isn't worth doing until you get to a Mackinaw/Hulk>Change cycle time on lasers which conflicts with the new ore type that takes up 40 m3 per unit, resulting in anything smaller than a barge/exhumer losing a lot of yield per cycle>Make expedition command ship, needs entirely new skill, is made of paper, costs the same as a marauder or moreI swear to god CCP doesn't even play their own game, literally none of these changes address anything practical except the Pioneer, which should've been in the game a decade ago shortly after the Venture's release.
>Namewho fucking cares>only spawns in null/lowthat's where it should be>Ore doesn't even have good valuethey can easily tweak some numbers>is made of papergood. barges are far too tanky
>>2043706Fuck off, null's the last one who needs an ore that can refine into anything, they already can spawn whatever asteroid types they want in a system. Everywhere else is still dealing with scarcity.The only thing good about the new site is it will be a complete wet fart that CCP won't fix so it will likely be worthless to null. None of the changes in this expansion will do anything to the meta.
if you have an instawarp bookmark, realistically is there any way someone can kill you exiting an npc station in null?
>>2043550does iceland have such a shortage of BPD women they need to import them from out of country?
>>2043764Keep combat probes centered on the station, scan as soon as you warp. There's a decent chance their scan completes as your ship is slowing down, then it's just a question of if their interceptor can land on your ship before it aligns and warps.If you have an insta-warp and a covert cloak, there's virtually no chance you can be caught unless your undock point was previously scanned down and you warp to it at 0 every time. Best they can do then is bubble the undock every time.
>>2043778thanksi'm in an travel ares so i don't think i have to worry about probinggonna try to get some BPOs of the new ship back to high sec
>>2043788You should consider something with a covert cloak and nullifier. Sub 2s interceptors are unlikely to be caught, but are still vulnerable to smartbombs to some degree and insta-locks. Covert cloaks cannot be insta locked provided they don't lag.Take a wormhole from null to high sec instead of gates, it gives away far less intel and in a covert ops you'll blend right in with everyone else scanning systems.
>>2043794i'm already there and i have a nullifier and all my bookmarks, all i have left to do is buy my bpos and take the triglavian express
>>2043794Covert cloaks take longer to actually cloak you than travelceptors do to enter warp, so they're kind of irrelevant. So long as you have enough EHP in your ceptor to not die to Smartbombs you're gucci.
>>2043926Not exactly due to game tick fuckery. Cloaks are timestamped during a tick whereas you can only enter warp at the end of a tick due to the way commands are processed. This means in extreme cases, you can be locked and pointed despite being a sub-2s align (Though not sub 1s) but so long as you hit your cloak at the right time it won't happen.It's true you'll appear on the overview for longer with a cloak, but if someone tries to lock you after you've hit the button, they just get an error even if they can see you. However, it does give them a chance to bump you if you can't align and warp fast enough. The main failure on a cloak is landing on a grid full of trash designed to decloak you, which requires setup and isn't easy to do around some gates.
Different Anon here, don't see the point of using a prop mod if the moment you get into battle you get-webbed-scrambed-your Micro warpdrive shut down-and your MWD chewing 15% of your maximun capYou'd rather put on a capbooster and enjoy near immunity to neuts instead.
>>2044415It depends, but it's hard to gauge. The real question to ask yourself is "is my prop mitigating any damage I would be taking or helping me to position in this fight?" and if the answer to both is no, you don't need a prop mod.In the case of most PvP roams though, you don't know who you're going to come up against and what they'll have. You know that in theory there are fights you'd take in which the prop mod would not only be useful but required for victory, so you can't forgo it. There will also be fights where a Daredevil webs you to a dead stop and it doesn't help at all, or where you'll get scrammed and your MWD doesn't help. But that also goes for a cap booster, where your opponents may not have neuts and so the slot is wasted. Ultimately, I'd pick the utility of a prop mod, and sometimes the utility of a dual prop, over a cap booster in most cases. There's only a few ships where I expect to sit still be a turret and they typically aren't PvP focused ships.
>but muh null!null is the main space and the focus of the game. things are supposed to happen there
>>2044415>don't see the point of using a prop mod the most gigabrain anon
Are travelfit T3 cruisers still a thing? Full speed under cloak, invulnerable to bubbles and such?
blockade runners exist
In the end, I joined some random corp in Wild Creek. They invited me so I was like eh... whatever....
>>2043121Alright, I ran a handful of T3 exotic in a Gila (https://abysstracker.com/fit/557cf65f-d8f8-4f46-8205-bebc85c85539), with virtually 0 threat. DPS was enough to clean every rat before the container were dragged by the MTU, tank was a non-issue, if it wasnt for the time limit I could do that AFK.How much of a step up is the T4, with regard to the DPS? "Still a snoozefest", "risk with some spawns" (marshalls/trigs?), or "actually need constant awareness to not get wrecked like a retard"?
>He's at it againhttps://zkillboard.com/kill/131000658/I swear this is some retarded Saudi buying stupid amounts of plex.
>>2044831It requires a slight amount of attention on waves like Marshalls. T5 is a big step up, t6 is an even bigger step up and depending on the weather goes into the territory of "Missile ships putting a turret in their utility high because the extra 35 DPS matters".
>deadspace/officersoul>abyssal 0.01 isksoulless
>>2043708>Everywhere else is still dealing with scarcity.lowsec is the most profitable area in the game by a large marginWH space doesn't matterpoch doesn't matter
>>2044831In my experience:>T0Designed primarily for absolute newbies in solo frigates. Does not pay any real value for cruisers or destroyers. Only threat is a Skybreaker enemy that some low skill players can't break the tank on.>T1A step up, but still designed for newbies running solo in a cruiser or a T2/pirate frigate. Will introduce you to some new enemies like Devoted Knights, Cynabals, drone battlecruisers, and I think Drifter Battleships. Still very easy for cruisers or reasonably easy for well fit solo frigates.>T2Decent step up from T1, but not huge. You get the new enemy types backed up with one or two extra ships. New players will need to upgrade their fitting on their T1 cruiser to something better or train more skills. Solo frigates start to really struggle with reliability.>T3From here on, the difficulty curve rises more gradually. Everything is basically more ships, more incoming DPS, more EWAR, but nothing really new. T2 to T3 isn't a very big leap. Very well fit and skilled T1 cruisers can handle it, Navies do a bit better, but by this time you need to start thinking about a pirate/T2 cruiser for practicing higher tier abyss. The same motions to run T3 will be used for higher tier sites, for the most part.>T4DPS starts to become noticeably higher and you really need to focus on killing the right enemies and flying the right way as per your ship and enemy spawn. This is also the tier where the payout becomes respectable for a cruiser, being about 40m ISK per run. Pirate/T2 cruiser basically required, though some players do navy ships for fun if they understand what they're doing. Clear time can become a problem, ships will begin to time out due to low DPS. Most alpha clones will max out here.
>>2045145>T5Damage becomes high enough that faction and deadspace mods start to become a must. Careful consideration must be had for killing rooms fast enough. Dark weather starts to become a big penalty. Skills become a big part of success, as do implants. Pay is pretty good and most players not devoted to the abyss stop here. Alphas with a very specialized skillset can get by with a Gila in here with some narrow rooms. Omegas with implants don't have too much trouble in a meta ship if they understand spawns.>T6Fly a meta ship (Gila, Ishtar, Muninn, Sac), bling it out. Spend some cash on implants, deadspace mods, go wild. T6 is sometimes deceptive because while some rooms aren't much more difficult than T5, it has higher peaks in the most deadly ones, which is where the bling comes into play. Plays the same as a more deadly T5, no real change in skills needed. Pays very well, but will still take many successful runs to pay off your blingy ship.Cruiser payout progression per run is roughly:T1->T2->T3->T4->T5->T62.5m->5m->10m->30m->60m->100mPayouts 1 tier higher for frigates.
tf do they use ai to write the news
>>2045148>>2044831Just to explain further, I do use that Gila fit you posted for running T5 Exotics in an alpha clone with no implants, so it's a pretty strong base. I've found it to be the most economical way to run the abyss. I have close calls but I have almost 200 runs with it without a loss.The main reason I don't do T6 is I don't like flying an overly blingy ship and running the risk of someone bothering to hunt me down. Sure it can be mitigated by having an Orca alt in system so you can store your ship in it after a run, but that's far too much cheese for me to enjoy doing daily.
>>2044876what's profitable in low sec?
>two deepflow rifts in one system
>>2045731Does anyone actually do them? I finally went and fitted an alt to fly around and clear them while I scan elsewhere, he's got five tractor beams that I tab into every 15 seconds or so and mash. Each site is worth like 25m ISK or so and just consists of hitting tractor beams on a dummy wormhole for 15 minutes.Like, the payout is not horrible in the grand scheme of things for the ship and effort it requires, but the content is so dull as to not be content at all.
>>2045737Took 30 minutes and I got 123M.
>>2045757What part of space? I haven't done them in wormholes since the changes.
>>20457640.2 Sansha lowsec
>>2045767I haven't done any in null, pre or post change. When they first released, I used to find them in j-space frequently where they were identical to high sec's, only that they dropped an extra six cans. Each can still had only about 1m ISK worth of loot in it.It's possible they're now different between security bands and the payout is good enough to consider doing it. As for high sec though, they're mostly a waste of time unless you happen to have an alt who can do them while you do other things.
Do people still farm FW missions in stealth bombers? I used to like hunting them in an interceptor, but I roamed through both FW warzones and found zero mission beacons in total.
>>2045148Thanks for all the tips, bro, I got through a couple of T4 this morning, and apart from a few knights that nearly depleted my shields, it was alright, but if it wasn't for you, marshalls may have had my ass.
T5 and T6 are traps. They're not profitable at all for cruisers. People run them for gameplay sake. You know, when you don't need isk but enjoy the thrill or want to sweat hard in double LASB 300mil vaga. Stick to T4. Or if you want both isk and gameplay try 3 frigs. Avoid destroyers. Duo destroyers abyss is cursed dogshit content.
>>2046197I enjoy them mainly as something I can do single boxed that makes reasonable money. Gigasweat t6 firestorms on the other hand are retarded, that shit takes like a 14b fit to do consistently, one loss and you're in the red for hundreds of runs.On the whole I agree that going past t4 isn't really worth it from an isk to risk perspective. T5 fits typically run you a similar cost to a shitfit Dread, and a shitfit Dread could just do Crab beacons at way less risk with a much higher Insurance payout and make more money. T6 fits are going to cost as much as high class wormhole crab dread settups, which make several times the isk if you have the access.The other side though is high class abyss can let you fly some ships which you just don't get much opportunity to fly. Ships like the Sacrilege are good in the abyss but really don't see much use in other places.
>>2046103Fuck i'm already dead. Not even a marshall or knights, just vedmaks that got a good hit on me while I was crossing a blue cloud, and drained me too much for my shields to sustain.Finding out about new mechanics is a bitch.
>>2046197they used to be profitable a few months ago. i made billions in my T5 electric gila, now the filaments are just way too expensive, like, holy shit
are there any corps/alliances that will let me rent a place to put up an athanor for reactions?
>>2044415thing is they'll be webbed and scrammed too. so if you're still faster than them when you're both webbed and scrammed, you technically win cuz you can dictate the range the fight happens at.
>>2046461Try PH
>>2046288Happens to us all at some point.>First T4 abyss run>Rogue drones, oh this will be easy>Fly straight to the gate killing along the way>Burns through shield, past armor, suddenly I'm in hull>Fuck, these things hurt more than I thought>Too late to course correct, barely stabilize before I go down, almost burn out a shield booster>Kikimoras>Kikimoras die easy, I should be able to blitz this room>They do indeed die easy, they also hit like a truck when there's 10 of them and webs>Explode almost instantly due to my hubris>Drifter battleship>It's a fairly easy room, just avoid his fire>Followed by another drifter battleship>And a rogue drone battleship>Timeout on the last room because I wasn't hammering them all hard enough, didn't take drugs>Sansha>Yeah, they do high DPS at close range, but so do I>Get up close>Get webbed to hell, neuted out, burned down>Marshal room>Spawn in a blue cloud>Die instantly to thermal torpedoes
take drugs, bind your hardener and boosters to arrow keys, hit them all at the same time, when in danger. and be in a crystal set if youre doing T5, and always fly away from the enemy as you land into a new room
Where is super pvp? Fuck Gobbins and his no pvp shit
gaylord
>another Avatar kill>dat fitThe absolute state of PH.
i lived in a class 2 for like 6 months running reactions solo, was good money, i eventually got evicted but i didn't care because i had made so much iski then decided to set up in a c1 and ended up being evicted within a few days (seems someone was watching that system and does PI there)all that said, was i just unlucky the second time? i'm perfectly happy to hop from hole to hole until i get evicted, assuming it takes at least a month or two (i only need a few days for the structure to pay for itself), what do you guys figure? is it possible i do the same thing again and manage to live a few months?
Just go live in a public wormhole station. Easier to manage and someone will defend it for you. There's no reason to set up a solo station until you're multiboxing 10+ accounts, especially once it's been shown you won't defend it.
>>2046864i explored that possibility, but it's impossible to find out what structures, modules and rigs they havealso>cost index>taxthere go all your profits
you cant have your cake and eat it toojust stop being shit(posted from my rigged tatara)
>>2046882can i do reactions in your tatara?
>>2046884only if you join all-out
finally found the inventory list for WH free ports, they only have hybrid reactors, which are useless
>>2046872>Cost indexActually better in public stations because you can hop from wormhole to wormhole for whichever has the best SCI. Most cost indexes are minimal and spike because a multiboxer decided to use the system for their own stuff, so when you drive up the SCI on your own, just hop to a new public station.>What modulesModules are listed here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JPfvgdxOwFDH5QCbYgvxwimAr2PkGZisikY3bdnp2Ds/edit?gid=0#gid=0You can talk to management to install your own modules at the cost of fuel to run them. So if you put on a reactor, you'd have to drop off 7200 fuel blocks to keep it running for a month. When you want it back, ask them to return it.>TaxRanges from .5 to 1.5% for service modules. If you were making a 10% profit on reactions, this would work out to be roughly 10% reduced profit, so you'd now be making 8.9% profit on reactions.It's fine if you want to anchor your own station in space so you can have the experience of having something to yourself, just understand that it won't be profitable compared to a public one until it stays down for a while and there's a lot more overhead involved.
>>2046892>You can talk to management to install your own modules at the cost of fuel to run them.oh really? ok well i ought to do that thenif that's all they charge for tax that's totally viable, thanks anon>It's fine if you want to anchor your own station in space so you can have the experience of having something to yourself, just understand that it won't be profitable compared to a public one until it stays down for a while and there's a lot more overhead involved.i'm well aware, i did it for about 6 months
>>2046895forgot to mention, i was making about 10b a month off reactions with 9 characters at the time
>>2046895If you want to make some money back on top of that, bring in extra fuel and sell it to the station when fuel contracts are up. Wormlife pays Jita Sell +20%, so it's just extra money for something you'd have been doing anyway. It probably offsets the tax costs.
>>2046900i gotta haul fuel in for my reactions anyway so that's a good point
>>2046892well thankyou anon, i'm already in talks with management, they're gonna install a module and rig for methanks eve thread!
wormlife dont have any freeport tatarasenjoy the 20% hit to your reaction capacity
>>2046928that'd be nice but it's still gonna make an easy 10b a month for doing fuck all
>>2046927No problem anon, I'm sure things will go well.
>>2046928It's in talks about potentially getting one, but right now there's no demand for it. It's not like the structures are hard to build, but Fortizars are much tougher to take down than Tataras/Azbels.
>>2046941that sounds kinda ominous
>>2046942no they arent lol all that matters is 2 timers
What would people even want from Wormlife anyway? As far as I know, it's just a place for new people and solo bittervets to crash in wormhole space without having to put up their own station? Is there something else that goes on with it?
Why does Cyclone have one less launcher than the drake? that's baaad.
>>2047180It used to have higher damage than the drake with its ship bonus, but was nerfed over time.
it has more launcher dps than drake I believe. it's shit though because no overheat duration and too much reloading and ammo usage, and you're locked into asb fitsdrake is even worse because it's totally unbonused on all useful damage types
CCP has gone full DEI mode judging by the patch dev videos. No wonder the development is what it is.
>>2047057i think you're rightin my case i just wanna do reactions
>>2047455what i'm perplexed by is that a bunch of them are foreigners, iceland must have such a shortage of BPD women they gotta import them from abroad
>>2047797There's like 30 people in iceland brother they probably have gone through the entire industry of programmers.
>>2046862if you have a HS static you should expect way more traffic. in a lowsec static c1 or c2 there will be nothing happening ever.
>>2047875yeah, what i'm doing requires use of a freighter so that would be way too high risk for me, it's all good now, i have a place to do reactions in a wormlife freeport
>>2047797you have to have the government do a family tree check when getting married in Iceland just in case you and your spouse are too closely related. They need all the fresh blood they can get.
>>2045145Had a lot of fun and luck running Rifter in T1 on Omega account (not sure about the Omega part). There was 1 unkillable encounter and 2 very hard ones.
>>2048971I meant alpha, I forgot which is paid one
have you dilated in j130253 today anon?
>>2047455>goneAnon picrel was running the show like 10 years ago.
>>2048971With a Worm you can speedrun T1s in about 5-7min each making around 50-70mil/hr depending on drops. On the Tier 1 encounters:>Tessera battlecruiserBe more than 15km away basically. Its guns have perfect tracking closer than 15km but beyond that it cant do anything to you. If you have drones then get ready to babysit them>Angel roomThe only other annoying room. Basically kill shit as quick as you can. Pulse your modules on/off as much as you can to conserve cap so you dont get capped out. Pop a blue pill booster if its getting rough. >Everything elseSemi-afk orbit the Biocache can at 5km and you win.
I finally splurged on a golem for L4, and I ask myself: how needed is the active tank, really? So far it eats missions like nothing else, I barely had to cycle my booster a handful of time at most just to stay at 100%. It feels like I could just buffer tank it, remove all booster & cap modules and rigs and slap a bunch of extenders and hardeners, making it impervious to suicide ganking.
>>2050345For most missions, you don't even really need a tank so long as you have 60km+ range. Most battleships won't be able to hit you from that far out and smaller ships don't do enough damage to break your tank.However, you won't ever get a marauder impervious to suicide ganking. Their buffers are not that great, even when you're fitting for it, unless you're literally burning all of your midslots on tank and screwing up your ability to run missions. Expect to be scanned down on a gate to check your fit and for hounds/purifiers to undock to catch you, or for a scout to see what type of rat you're fighting and warp Coercers/Catalysts to hit your resist hole.Of course, this assumes you're running missions for SoE or some other busy hub. If you're in bumfuck, nowhere Amarr or in some .7+ security hub out of the way of things, you probably don't even have to worry about being ganked.
>>2050345Marauders don't get the bonus to buffer that other Battleships do. Marauders are also bad for level 4 missions. If you want to make isk from missions you should either be doing Burner missions in a Nergal or doing level 5's in whatever the fuck people do level 5s in. Standard battleship level 4 missions are basically worthless and you will almost certainly get ganked before the Golem pays for itself.
>>2050057Seagull was an exception back then. Everyone in the latest dev vlog was either visibly gay, brown or both.
>>2050412>However, you won't ever get a marauder impervious to suicide ganking.No ship is ever going to be impervious to ganking, How often will the gankers go through 190k EHP (2 extender rigs, 3 large shield extenders, 2 hardeners) for a T2 fit, through?
>>2050476NVM, it turns out they absolutely would gank even if the loot is shithttps://zkillboard.com/kill/130976831/https://zkillboard.com/kill/130973922/https://zkillboard.com/kill/130971985/https://zkillboard.com/kill/130954859/https://zkillboard.com/kill/131023655/https://zkillboard.com/kill/131027028/
stop caring about suicide gankers
I'm glad there is no suicide gankers in Eve Echoes
>>2050530Yes. The Catalysts literally only cost 11m. They lose nothing.
>>2050588>Yes. The Catalysts literally only cost 11m. They lose nothing.They lose time, opportunity to hit something actually good if it pop up.
>>2050625They don't give two shits about that. It's a shiny killmail. Most of the more infamous gankers are financed by nullblocs so they don't give two shits about "profit".
>>2050727Killmails and killboards were a mistake
>Put all your BPCs in a shuttle>Don't bounce off celestialslmaohttps://zkillboard.com/kill/131105323/
the thought of nullniggers paying asset safety for their supers makes me all warm inside
>>2050476>>2050530They do it for a chilling effect rather than any other reason. It's why they gank empty freighters too. The idea is to drive you out of high sec and force you into null (Or at least somewhere else).
>>2051010>no bounce >not even 1sec hecate >Birthday: 2020-10-04
Horde pretty much lost most of their cap fleet no? This asset safety is a death trap. For years or even decade their asset safety systems will be monitored by cap/super hunters 24/7. Good luck with selling this dead weight too.>kick-out stations
did something happen i wasnt paying attentionis horde dead?!!?
>>2050476Depends entirely where you're running your missions. Mission hubs like Lanngisi are fukken spicy, people will even blind-gank Assault frigates there in the hopes they get some blinged burner runner. Real answer is honestly, start getting into running burners. Its where the real lv4 isk is anyway. Itll take time to get your standings high enough for mass declining and to learn how to fight them well but its worth the payoff.
>>2050430I stopped watching any CCP stuff once CCP Guard left cuz he made them cool. Now they're generic business corporate but they get brownie points for >making the only decent spaceship game>being non-Swede scandis>not being anywhere near as woke/bad as most modern Vidya Corporate
>>2050727>Most gankers are alts of nullfagsftfy
>>2051814They did what most nullblocs did. Sat around, did nothing, got complacent, leadership took the money and ran.
>>2052060Some are, some just gank full time. What it really boils down to is that goons finance replacement ships and tags for them along with haul them around where they need them.
>>2052065aha! hahahahahahahahahahafuck kspace niggers
>Corp wants to take sov in Drones nowKill me.
>>2052422hk will retvrn whether you like it or not
Dronelands are rightful Russian clay
>>2052651Tell that to the Russians who bailed out yesterday.
I'm pretty sure nobody in drones has even noticed any sov changes in the past 20 years or so. The landlord may change but the bots keep on botting.
i hope you retards voted for milint claim your free metamorphosis
>voting
>>2052720I voted for kshal for gudfites, all she fucking does is filament to null with destroyers all day
>>2052651thisback to your containment zone ziggers
>>2052728yes, for free shit
>free shit>50m isk frigateill keep my vote
Its saying you've been CSM before a positive?
>>2053625>not wanting to unleash pure milint hell on ccpngmiat least you can vote for all the randos that didnt make it onto nullger voting lists
>>2050530>https://zkillboard.com/kill/130971985/>suicide ganker>15 busty white blonde girl altsthat's so fucking funny dude
>>2053666>milint I only know this guy because he posts walls of text 24/7 in the eve discord. if he shitposts so much when no one cares imagine if he's in CSM. there will be week-long deadlocks to process milint filings.
u cant compete, stay the fuck away from horde asset safety.
>>2053666sorry satan but i dont know who that nigga is and idc if its hes not related to wormholes. nullniggers get the bullet
>>2052422You dont need any tank to rat in Dronelands though. You can speedtank the sites with a 1200dps Typhoon semi-afk and make twice the money an Ishtar makes.
Besides the sacrilege and T3Cs, what other armor ships work with missiles?
>>2053853vengeance is cool. it's good in abyss because no damage lock.
typhoon
>>2053702fill your jfs with trit today!!!
>>2053853Bane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB5T9TIjUSI
>>2053776Twice the money an ishtar makes is garbage.
>The max target range of carriers will be greatly reduced, to around 300 km10/10 unironically>the integrated sensor array – is being introduced. This will allow the pilot to regain the exceptional range and unlimited max range capfucking christ why
Fighters can no longer warp and engage outside of its hosts grid, you need specific module now for that.
>"Mining Destroyer"this name makes no sense
>You can speedtank the sites with a 1200dps Typhoon semi-afk and make twice the money an Ishtar makes.Doubt. Praxis, the best PVE BS for drones, makes a little more than Ishtar with all V skills. Maybe ~20% more but not twice. Auto-missiles of course.
>>2054238it destroys mining retard
i just want t5 electric filaments to drop back down to 22-23m
>>2054359I just want test server to be brought back so i can play eve for fun.
>>2054391even when test servers are up it's like 1 tick every 5 seconds. least fun shit in existence. I dont know how pvp operates in this game on 1 tick per second in the first place.
A friendly reminder of future events: Empress Jamyl I will come back and subsequently be impregnated (by me).
>roam around wormholes in a rocket manticore looking for explorers to be a piece of shit and dunk on>scan tons of data and relic sites that I could have just run>never encounter one player in hours except one brief blip on dscan
>manticore LOLLMAO
>wormhole space unironically
>rocket bomber in 2025>hunting explorers in whs after nullgers got exploration upgrades shitting out hundreds of relic/datas and cratering salvage pricesanother dumbass tricked by wangsuck
nullsec salvage faucet is yet another example of CCP either not fucking understanding how their game works or (even worse) being so enamoured with nullblobs they'd happily sacrifice anything good in the game to appease them
anyone who lives in wormhole space obviously has the bad autism and should be ignored
>>2054207Still twice as much as the normal nullfag
>>2053853Typhoon, Prophecy, Bellicose
Is FW still allowing to zoom around in a T1 frigate, caping anomalies in lowsec for sick LP payout?
>>2054727Yes
>>2054732How big are the small sites now? Two or three ships?
>>2053776>1200dps Typhoon semi-afk and make twice the money an Ishtar makesWhy make such obvious lies on the internet?
do want new map though
>Mining DestroyerA stepping stone for newfags, offers no real benefits over things we already had (T2 expedition frigates, barges) but at least is inoffensive.>OdysseusHangar ornament, exploration boosts are worthless and it's too expensive to use over any other ship for combat. Could've at least been given command ship level EHP to justify the cost.>Carrier buffsWon't hurt, but it really just makes them into Bowheads with a jump drive.>Prismatic sitesEither will be absolutely a nothingburger or will fuck mineral prices so hard that the only place mining will happen will be with the bots out in null.>Map changesThe only objectively good change coming from this expansion.
>3rd party database>identifies anyone who's killed explorers and miners and reds them.You're never catching anyone ever except clueless newbros.
who are you quoting schizo
>>2055430As someone who built a tool to do just that, there is nothing that can save some of these people, so I wouldn't worry too much. People still mine AFK in lowsec, nullsec, wormholes, to say nothing of high sec. They'll still fly ORE Strip Miners with zero tank and die to a pair of catalysts. I remember one guy on comms talking about jumping a marauder he bought in Amarr through Ahbazon to get back to Jita despite me telling him there is literally an active gatecamp on the way he's going with 30+ people on the other side, your cloak+mwd will not save you, and he still did it and lost the ship. He of course respawned in Jita and swiped his credit card to buy another marauder.All of these ganks, no matter how much some people improve and learn from their mistakes, there's still a horde of mouthbreathing retards who will continue to feed ships and never grow one iota wiser. Even mining in a belt in HS one day, I started inviting people to fleet so I could warp them off when gankers appear even if they went AFK. One guy in a Mackinaw refused to join and of course was the one who died because of it. You can't save these people from themselves, so gankers will continue to farm killmails because of it.
>buy plex cause it always go up or sideways and i need to buy omega time again soon>lose 30bend my fucking lifeCCP WHERE IS NES SALE!?
>>2055764There is literally a sale on right nowFor plex
>Carrier buffsPVE buffs for ship class that doesn't have any PVE content designed for it. Your best bet is fucking Haven LMAO. And crabbing Haven in carrier is so ass. You need to always pay attention and press buttons because NPC attack fighters nonstop. It's such miserable experience for zero isk. And marauder can farm faster because carriers have shit dps.
ive always wanted to fly an archon ever since i started playing 2 and a half years ago, and now im <2mil sp away from being able to board the ship. it will probably feel like the best achievement ive had in a vidya game, even if theyre still mid, but i will happily apply my 8m unallocated sp to make it perform at peak efficiency.
>>2055430>You're never catching anyone ever except clueless newbros.People have been crying about this forever and nothing ever happened.
>>2054746>Ishtar does 650dps>Typhoon does 1200dpsYes, twice the income. Lot of retarded nullfags out there saying they make 100mil/hr with an Ishtar when its actually closer to 60mil/hr.
>giving money to ccpnigger in current year
>>2056485100M/h uninterrupted is about right per toon if you take into account selling escalations and faction loot. Raw ISK is 60M/h at 100% BRM.The problem with the Typhoon is that ratting with it is not "semi-afk". The meager theoretical ISK increase (which is a lot less than twice the Ishtar money due to dogshit application) is not worth the effort. This is why the NS meta has been either Ishtars, Marauders or caps (when viable).
kevin
