Previous Thread: >>1904374Welcome to the Rivals of Aether General. Here we discuss things in the Rivals of Aether franchise and other Aether Studios games.>Latest Patches (Rivals II): https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2217000?emclan=103582791473410752&emgid=523103429639276474>Rivals of Aether official site and social media:https://rivalsofaether.com/https://rivals2.com/https://youtube.com/@RivalsofAetherOfficialhttps://x.com/RivalsOfAether>Where to get the games (on PC):>Rivals of Aetherhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/383980>Rivals of Aether IIhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2217000>Lovers of Aether (Free Game)https://store.steampowered.com/app/1043180>Dungeons of Aetherhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1668290>Dreams of Aetherhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3463050>Feedback form:https://rivals2.com/nolt>Rivals of Aether 2 resources:https://dragdown.wiki/wiki/Rivals_of_Aether_II
Removed rivalsframedata.com from the OP because it's been dead for a few weeks. But have a picture of Clairen's dash grab.
Best wife.
Hello everyone complaining about Clairen, I just wanted to talk about how everyone complaining has been blatantly spreading misinformation about a character they know nothing about. The amount of people who clearly have ZERO understanding of how to fight Clairen is crazy. And not only that but all of you idiots who play other characters do not understand the amount of work a lot of Clairen players put into labbing out certain routes and situations. I know that most of the other character playerbases barely even attempt to do this. I, Rongunshu, Boiko, Nard, Vibe, Stroder, Landon, and other really good Clairens are discussing things DAILY to try to improve and everyone complaining has very clearly not put a single amount of work into actually trying to understand the character. If other characters put the amount of time we did into ours, maybe you could actually be half decent at the game and not hardstuck diamond. Most of you mfers complaining are either just complete dogass at the game or complete dogass against Clairen. GROW UP!
What's everyone favorite flavor of Galvan player>the neutral special spammer>the reverse nair spammer>the dair spammer>the dtilt spammer>the chaingrabber>the chaingrabber (literal)>the one who actually knows how to play Galvan
It's over!galvan killed this game.
Is RoA2 now a Discord fighter? Came across the Melee subreddit seething at Nintendo. Reminded me of this game and NASB2. Bought it a while back but forgot about it. Game looks much less gimmicky than Melee and supports higher frame rates. Hope Dan fixes the game and makes it bounce back like Ubisoft did with Siege and For Honor.
>>2020778NA West and I can easily find matches any time except ass o'clock on weekdays, by which I mean 3AM - 5AM PST. Weekday afternoons and weekends (any time) I find opponents within 5-30s. So no, it's not a Discord fighter. Maybe if you live outside of the US or EU it is, though.>Game looks much less gimmicky than MeleeAre you talking about NASB2 or RoA2? RoA2 is fundamentally more gimmicky than Melee, but it's by design - whereas Melee's gimmicks are mostly esoteric miscellanea, like Peach's dsmash hitting you for 60+% if you CC, Game & Watch being unable to L-cancel, Mario being able to wall jump out of up B, Dr. Mario being able to up B cancel, Link's moonwalk up B cancel, ICs desyncs, wobbling, etc.>Hope Dan fixes the gameI think the game is in a good spot as far as balance and character balance goes. Maypul and Clairen are still obnoxious as fuck to fight, though. tl;dr we'll have to wait until 1. Workshop support and 2. console release before we're able to judge whether the game gets a broader audience.
Forsbone
>>2020859Was talking about RoA2 being less gimmicky than Melee. Good to know the game still has more chances. Today, I'll try to see if I like Forsburn.
>>2021139Good luck. He's fun but has to work a bit harder than other characters, at least as soon as you encounter people who know how to floorhug cape.
>>2020869>against a heavy Not a real clip, sorry >>2020872This counts as the only actual clip ever posted to this general, a bit noobie but I'll take it
Crew battle mode is great, but there's something wrong with the netcode. It feels fine until there's a near-miss, and then the rollback is very noticeable. I guess it's a "beta" for a reason.>>2021367I'm going back to fraudulent characters after Halloween, Forsburn is really un-fun to play against players who love floorhugging and sitting in shield.
>people keep ragequitting Why is everybody such a fucking faggot?
>>2024221ragequit tooshow them that what they're doing is not cool
>>2024221Do you actually play your wife, by any chance?
To anyone who doubts that the Workshop is going to get infinitely more eyes on the game, here's a Losers top 8 set of Hitfall 4's Workshop bracket outperforming both>a high level Galvan mirror match>grand finalsfrom LMMM. The rest of the bracket isn't a slouch at all in terms of view count.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlSY5LT45v8
>>2024835Yes. >>2024841Its super dependent if the few 3d modders that rivals have the interest or new come in just to make modded characters. The few people doing modding at the moment are super introverted, egotistic assholes, and its impossible to get a project going. I think that, at least, there will be a lot of mesh swap mods so you can have Lucina Clairen and such. (technically you can do it at the moment, but nobody shares their completed work or quits half-way)
>>2024849It depends on whether PM modders are retarded or not, really. 2D vs. 3D workflow is a matter of personal preference, and there are already a lot of experience 3D modders in the platform fighter community due to PM, Melee, and even Ultimate. The fact that>RoA2 officially supports modding>RoA2 will have modding documentation>RoA2 will allow player to use mods online with the game's own netcode>Aether Studios won't send you a cease & desist for hosting PM tournamentsis logically enough to attract modders. So it's really up to the modders themselves. I think the only significant issue with RoA2 Workshop is that 3D is a higher barrier to entry than 2D, although it's arguably easier once you know how to do it.
workshop will be fine and will not be dependent on any specific modders
Clairen won
>>2025647>Clairen is the most popular character>350,000 match difference between Clairen and 2nd place>44,000 match difference between 2nd and 3rd placesI'm noticing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oKz_ovftws
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>>2029727you shouldn't have done that
>got hit by tipper bair into dstrong one too many times>go into training mode>turn on hitboxes>tfwWhat the literal fuck is this, Dan
>>2024849>>2024923>>2025245The game feels empty, reminds me of Paladins open beta. Makes me want to stop playing until workshop support arrives. What a shame because modern controller support, high framerates and higher resolutions are great.
>>2031423What do you mean with "feels empty"
>>2031452not him but the game barely has content at all. i shouldn't have to post a list of content the game should have, you get the idea
>>2020468yea
>another low poly event>which means another month of Ranno not getting a skinIt's getting comical
https://www.twitch.tv/rivalsofaetherthese streams are always so awkward.
no skill? no problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3H22jAcx18New skinslop, now featuring stageslop>only have 80k coins banked but want to buy Kragg and Ranno's old retro skins
>>2043651love these trailers. I love how much Dan and co hate the stupid frog, very based.
>>2043651wowmore skins...
>>2043938Rivals 2 is saved
>>2044089quite the oppositeyou can't sell skins if no one is playing your game
>>2044097There's more than enough skin paypigs out there to justify spamming the game with them
reverse utilt hitbox
>>2049901
>Rongonshu smiling as he hits Clairen cheese after Clairen cheese>The Zetterburn tranny SD'ing to get out of game 1 early and visibly ragingI formally apologize to all Clairen players. You guys are alright.
>>2050192umm what are you watching
>Sandstorm in winners>Sophilo ACKing>Mystery Sol sneaking his way into top 8 with Galvan>Elkies in top 8They're pandering to me hard with this script
>>2050238port priority 9
>>2050307>elkies top 8 Damn now I gotta watch this.
tag me when its on or whatever
>>2051284It's been on: https://www.twitch.tv/rivalsofaether>Sandstorm brutally mogging>Ant suffering Absa's MU spread>Rongonshu making Clairen seem sick>lolcakewins>Ranno continuing to get zero representation
>cakewinslolI'm beginning to believe the "Forsburn is actually broken" propaganda. Great tournament, though.
goofy
>>2057275stupid fcuking water dog
>>2057818Whats wrong with him?
what's up with all these one and done faggots on casual
>get finish getting raped by the most boring Loxodont player I've ever fought in casual>try casual again>sperg Maypul player>try ranked>it's the same Loxodont, he's master rank>try ranked again>player 300 MMR higher than me>player 200 MMR higher than me>player 300 MMR higher than me>finally match with someone my rank>ping randomly spikes to 999fuck this game lmao
>>2060890Where are you from? NA or EU?
But aren't girls cutest when they're almost retarded
>>2062572they're cutest when they act psychotic, not retarded
>>2061686NA
>Vampire Zetterburn doesn't have a shadowWhat the fuck, I never noticed thisSoulful detail
did they pay hbox to watch heatwave?
>>2064654They also paid 250k to Mango to play the game for a year.
>>2064654If they did, they should ask for a refund because he was basically off the clock.
Huh, why is he in the files?
>>2065190It could be because hes in the new stage skin, weird that hes with other characters.
>>2065190He's in Galvan's stage skin, but I don't know if this is the same model. Maybe it was just convenient to copy a generic character template to animate him, rather than implementing him as some sort of unique prop.I'd check the model, but I don't have the stage skin.
post Fleet
https://x.com/Plup_Club/status/1990640135717679352>get rank 1 playing random only>refuse to stream>leaveBased I wish he'd stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVBH-q2Tg3Q
>>2066563Can't blame him. There not being any competition gets boring fast
JUST FUCK MY CONTROLS UP BEYOND REPAIR
>>2067716I can't help but feel that I picked a good time to take a break from the game.These patches definitely need better QA. Every single patch there's 1-2 days of scrambling to fix bugs.
>another top smash player canceled for sexual assaultRivals just can't stop winningBy which I mean it can't stop sitting at 500 players with more threatening to quit the game every week
>>2069012>feel like quitting>try other plat fighters>theyre dog shit and have to come back for danslop
>>2069047I just wish the game was a little bit more relaxing. The ease of everything means that there's tons of hyperactive Zetterburn, Ranno, Maypul, and Clairen players who are exhausting to fight, and every character and every move being so good means that there aren't organic breaks in the gameplay where you can breathe. The Danslop is intoxicating, but it's too much for me at times.It's why I like fighting a character like Kragg, in contrast with a character like Clairen. Kragg doesn't have a lot of good ways to get in and has to rely on alternating between normals, grabs, and specials to earn neutral wins through conditioning. He has distinct weaknesses to exploit, while his strengths are conditional. There's an ebb and flow to fighting him that's fun.It's hard to breathe against characters like Clairen, Maypul, and Zetterburn, especially if they're played well. Zetterburn at least has an exploitable disadvantage statement and mediocre recovery, but Clairen and Maypul feel like they're always "on" and it's exhausting to deal with them no matter what you do.1 billion years in MS Paint.
>>2069109Thats my problem with the game. It's too easy to play and it's a fast game. This results in hundreds of shitters just spamming their controllers and being completely insufferable to play against. Makes me not want to play. Melee unironically does it just right. It's hard enough to play that it mellows everything out and make things more based around fundamentals than just being le epic fast and pressing buttons really fast. At a high level it's both fast and fundies based but I don't play at a high level so I get to just relax.
It'd be better if PM heads stopped gaslighting people into thinking that dog shit spacing being unpunishable is good game design but here we are.
>>2069748yep..
>heard that the most recent patch broke everyone's controls>finally bother to boot up the game>nothing happened to meOkay. I don't doubt that other people are having issues.>>2069748The nerfs will continue until morale improves.
>>2072224controllers are different
>>2072226I know, I'm just saying I almost feel disappointed that I'm not affected. I wanted to know how much of a fuck-up it was.
>>2072239This should put things into perspective https://x.com/HenArten/status/1991239104109924564
>>2072247I thought this was an unrelated issue that had to do with the input buffer being cleared. Forsburn players were complaining about it last patch and it was hotfixed. Maybe it's related to the current controller issues. Either way, this is easily the worst patch they've released.
>>2072247Everything works on my machine. GCC cheating trannies are on suicide watch because they need to input something clearly, lmao.
>>2072291I use a GCN controller with an unofficial Mayflash adapter and nothing has changed for me.
>>2072420So its literally software issue.
>>2072258>this is easily the worst patch they've releasednot even closeit was the dec 3rd patch followed by the aug 19th one
>>2069012Who?
>>2073690Onin, the best Steve player in the US. Bizarrely, it's only an 8 month ban, despite Mang0 being banned indefinitely for something much more innocuous.
Are they even hotfixing this shit?
>>2076379????nothing is broken
>>2082512I got a topic to talk about:
>>2082525https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/urban-raccoons-are-showing-signs-of-early-domestication-with-shorter-snouts-than-their-rural-cousins-180987729/
>>2082512New character never
>>2083447Shes coming to me.
>>2083447having a raccoon as a pet does sound pretty cool
>stupid fucking christmas skinsoh boyjust give me my damn forsburn changes a month late, we all know there will be no floorhugging changes
>>2090487Oh, this is old art. Just release the snake already.
hopes>forsburn ftilt and utilt changed to better reflect their respective hitboxes and frame data>clairen changes>floorhugging further nerfed>stricter wall techs>literally any change that improves whiff punishingexpectations>forsburn nerfs>loxodont nerfs>clairen untouched>floorhugging untouched>store previews break>a bunch of random skins break for no reason>they forgot to make at least one previous christmas skin eligible for the event
Balance changes are usually mid-month, but still an absolutely shit tier patch. Even better, we're going into the holiday season so expect excuses for having nothing for the next 2-3 patches as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNbuor0b2fI3 out of the 4 event skins are in this artwork >>2090487
>>2096230>no elfpul>>2094388idk what were you expecting. Balance changes happen on new character releases. Half the playerbase is yelling for big 2 balance patches a year while others yelling for more balance changes.I do wonder when the next character will be revealed.
>>2096304i wouldn't be expecting much in the way of character-specific balance changes if it weren't for the fact that November's patch mentioned that they were delaying Forsburn changes intended for that month.>half the playerbase...pragmatically speaking, the playerbase needs to accept that RoA2 is for all intents and purposes an early access game, and is subject to change - even if you ignore that there are systems and mechanics that need to be tweaked further. i think more frequent patches are good for the game, as long as they don't fundamentally alter how it's actually played. for example, the auto-floorhug patch and the patch that crippled orcane. we're still walking back auto-floorhug, and orcane has simply been left adrift without a clear identity.
My wife belongs in a jar for doing this to me.
look at this elf
realistically when are we getting a character trailer>etalus reveal on dec. 19th, release on january 21st33 days between trailer and release>olympia reveal on feb. 16th, release on april 2nd26 days since etalus, 45 day wait59 days between trailers>absa reveal on may 25th, release on july 1st53 days since olympia, 37 day wait98 days between trailers>galvan reveal on august 1, release on october 7th31 days since absa, 67 day wait68 days between trailers>currently61 days since galvan's release as of today128 between trailers as of todaythis is already the longest wait and it's not like there's been a lot of other content added to the game between character releases. i'm going to be optimistic and assume that they're dedicating their resources to workshop.
>>2109462Christmas. I also doubt they will be able to do 4 characters next year. Probably cutting down on the team.
>>2109677well it's 4 on the roadmap so they've fucked themselves if so.i do wonder how much money they're making. i swear every time there's a patch immediately see plenty of people with new cosmetics you can't buy with coins.
>>2109724Probably a couple of -tens of Ks a month. You could look up the stupid piratesoftware skin that they did and how much money they donated at what rate. It should give you a basic estimate for one of those skins.Gamessales don't make a lot these days. Id say 1-2k a month without a sale. Also, whales will continue to fuel the game. This is why this business model was completely the right call.As for expenses I believe its 30 people on payroll, so that's a lot of money going out. Bottom line is: Dan is working with budget going down. If workshop/SP kicks off, maybe he the team can keep going with this pace forward.
>>2110614do you need some sort of godlike graphics card to post 2 minute long webms thats under 4mb somehow?
>>2110625>godlike graphics cardvideo encoding is done on the cpu, not gpu>2 minute long webms thats under 4mbjust use the best encoding setting (on vp9 the preset is literally named 'best'), find the right bitrate to keep the file size only a bit below of 4MB and change the framerate to 30 fps.
>>2110614Theres people playing FFA? Or do you go on discord for lobbies?
>>2110642nvm its vs CPU. God, thats just sad.
>>2110642>>2110644i don't know why he does it
>>2110642>>2110644kek
ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING LOXODONT PLAYERS
>>2109462what's that? you want more costumes! you got it, four more months of nothing but shitty costumes!
>>2109760 #Even so I bet they were expecting more people to be playing for a higher amount of whales. Sucks they went the direction they did with the mechanics, it could have kept a lot more players.
for all the complaints i have about this game, i will say that i've never played a platform fighter where finally clicking with a character feels so fucking satisfying.i've played a lot of Melee, and i can tell within seconds of picking up a character whether i'll click with them or not. and, sadly, some of the characters i like aren't very good (Mario, Link). and when i played Ultimate, i picked up every character and played them until they were in Elite Smash and i was satisfied that i understood their design. but almost all of Ultimate's roster falls within two homogeneous archetypes: auto-cancel aerial spammer or gimmick character. i was disappointed by how shallow the game's character design was.RoA's characters continue to interest me 100, 200, 300 levels into learning them. i always feel like i'm finding new things to do with them.
>>2109462https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_b0S1OiOvELa Reina out of fuckin' nowhere
>>2114042>another shit heavyweight charactert-thanks dan
>>2114073she rooka rike a midweight, maybe a borderline heavy like orcane.
>>2114042>inceneroar with a bland unoriginal gimmickLesgooooo
web'ma
>>2114084please share your epic original character design, with the class, 2114084
>>2114120>you are not allowed to criticize anything unless you have already done it but better Low iq argument. Im not a dev, I do not design characters, this character design is still god awful. Also her voice doesn't fit the character at all
>>2114144well, what would you have a grappler do that you would consider more interesting
>>2114144Bro doesnt know about mexican luchadoras
>>2114042She's earth, right? Making this the 5th earth character?
>>2114193yes. sylvanos isn't going to be showing up for a long time, thank god.
>>2114153Something more original. Let's put it this way. If your characters kit can easily be described by saying "it's just inceneroar and beowulf combined" then it's design is bad. even if this weren't the case the design is still so bland for roa2. The chair functions too similar to a bunch of other things in the game like absas thunder thing that you can place on the stage or some other thing idk I barly remember what these characters do
>>2114309>dropping the "idk i dont remember" excuse>dodging the question
Even the normal moves are so boring and stale. Like waaow the nair pops them up slightly and the fair sends them straight to the left of right? Wow what a very inter3sting kit wooooww
>>2114316The answer to your question was "something original". If you cant comprehend that idk what to tell you. It's not up to the player to design the game for the dev, figure it out
>>2114319>youryou're not replying to the OP>>2114309did you play La Reina in RoA1? she does have some unique stuff, like some of her normals being hitgrabs. anyway, i'm waiting for the video / stream where they actually explain how her kit translated to RoA2.being able to magnetize her chair as well as magnetize herself to it is also a unique mechanic. of course you can draw comparisons between it and other mechanics like Maypul's tether, but it's a disingenuous comparison. it would be like saying that Lily and Orcane's puddle are equivalent because they're both persistent stage hazards. they have completely different functions within the characters' kits.you can draw comparisons between Rivals and / or Smash characters all day, but even direct analogues are vastly different. like Forsburn's up special incorporates elements of Sheik's up B and Meta Knight's down B, but it functions differently from both of these.
>>2114319Answering with "something original" is not a real answer, you were asked to come up with something to make it original and you are not giving a real answer whatsoever, plus all roa characters are just combinations of other type of characters from smash.
>>2114334How do you expect me to answer this question? The nest is could realistically do is show you and im not a character designer
>>2114042hell yeah. but I thought la reina was going to be the second character of 2026, not the first?
>try to queue into dev crews>queue into the Galvan death squad insteadloving every laugh
>>2114350nta but it's just not really productive or useful criticism. there's nothing wrong with thinking "this is bad because i don't like it" but you should at least spend some time to think about what you would like or how you could improve it outside of "it would be good if it wasn't what i dislike about it." personally, i don't think it's bad that she has an onstage element like other characters because she interacts with it in many more ways than any other character. absa's cloud is the probably the most versatile so far, it controls space, sets up 1-2 combos, extends combos and edgeguards/ledgetraps. la reina seems to transcend all of those gimmicks in a way that takes advantage of the freeform nature of a platform fighter. just because its existence pays homage to something else doesn't mean it's going to be exactly like the source material, and it clearly isn't 1:1 with beowulf OR incineroar, seeing how much more she leans into the chair as a part of her moveset. honestly the only thing she really has in common with incineroar is side b as far as i can remember, and that's by virtue of them both being wrestler styled characters. they don't function the same at all. she really is a lot more beowulf than anything else.
he couldn't just let me be...
i hate piloting this thing
please god just fucking nerf clairen in 2 weeks
>>2135143>please god just fucking kill this game even more in 2 weeks after this dogshit character announcementthis is how you sound
>>2135650the reaction to la reina seems very positive everywhere except this charming little dung heap.clairen has been terrorizing gold through diamond for more than a year. even if she isn't winning tournaments, she's consistently the most criticized character on the entire roster, which is an achievement considering the war criminals she's competing with. she simply isn't fun to fight against, and the game would do well to have at least one patch where she's not a persistent threat as the most played character (backed up by data).
you never saw too many clairens in roa1, wonder what changed
>>2135840>Mash and grab the video game>Giant ass sword that time stops you into a grab>Insane throws
>>2136096You just described Roa1 Clairen.
>>2135840i was curious as someone who didn't play much RoA1.roa1 grounded speed data:>maypul 9.0 run and dash speed>ranno 7.5 run and dash speed>clairen 6.5 run speed, 7.5 dash speed5th highest run speed, 3rd highest dash speed (also longest dash length)>zetterburn 6.5 run speed, 7.0 dash speed>forsburn 6.0 run speed, 7.0 dash speedroa1 air speed data:>maypul 0.2 air accel, 6.0 max air speed>clairen 0.35 & 4.03rd highest air accel, lowest air speed>zetterburn and forsburn 0.3 & 4.0>ranno 0.3 & 3.0roa2 ground speed data:>maypul 25.5 run speed, 22 dash speed>clairen 20.1 run speed, 21.25 dash speed2nd highest run and dash speed, BTFO'ing ranno and surpassing Orcane>ranno 19.25 run speed, 21.25 dash speed>zetterburn 18 run speed, 20 dash speed>forsburn 17 run speed, 20 dash speedroa2 air speed data:>maypul 0.7 air accel, 17 max air speed>zetterburn 0.8 & 13>clairen 0.75 & 11.35very average, and her air acceleration was nerfed in an early patch>forsburn 0.72 & 11.3>ranno 0.64 & 8.54in short, Clairen's grounded movement stats got giga-buffed for no apparent reason, and this aligns with how fucking annoying it is to play neutral against her in RoA2. i never played her in RoA1, but you can see how slow she is in comparison by looking at any tournament match. additionally, her 50/50 went from a special command grab to...
>>2136955... this
been playing a good amount of galvan while waiting for la reina. very fun character, it's just a shame he has absolutely no way to approach against passive players. i think i'll stick to playing him in casual where people are actually down to scrap.
>>2142047It's not bad at all in my experience. It really depends on how much of a pussy your opponent is, which has nothing to do with the characters except how well theirs can run away or zone in neutral and how well yours can approach.Only character I genuinely hate fighting is Orcane, because it's so rare to find someone who plays him in a fun way. He's just crippled right now.
stopped playing after the controller patch because it made it unplayable with my trigger tricked gc controller. boot back up today because surely by now theyve fixed it. NOPE same issue. great game
>>2143103Sounds like a you problem.
>>2143309Nah it's the game
>>2143103report it https://rivals-of-aether-ii-patch-140.nolt.io/they've fixed multiple bugs i've reported
i'm so bad at this game
>>2144512Everyone is
merry christmas to you faggots
>>2075633Mang0 got perma banned? Thought he begged TO's to stop talking about it and they didn't issued the ban publicly.>>2069012Can't get anyone IRL to bother to buy it. Feels bad man!
I stopped playing this game because they absa update didn't work on Linux and I was too lazy to find the fix that other Linux users found
>>2150409I said indefinite because I didn't know whether the length of the ban had been decided on or not. Now I know it's a 1 year ban from competing. It's still ridiculous and Ludwig is still a snake. Speaking of which, fuck Ludwig for not using his platform to do Offbrand's job and promote the game.>enters Wisely's Sajam Slam-esque event for RoA2>one of like 20-30 content creators & coaches playing>is the only person who doesn't stream a single set despite having 10x the viewership of everyone else combinedSupposedly he had food poisoning, but to anyone watching it looked like he didn't give a single fuck, SD'ing over and over whenever his matches were being streamed by another team.Coney ended up doing the heavy lifting as far as viewership went. It actually did well, which surprised me.
merry christmas. i come bearing gifts of fucking around with dolly cam.
anyway, it's cool but it's a bit annoying to use if you don't get the approximate camera movement you want on your first try
>>2150678Ludwig never gave a fuck about RoA2, he got away with fucking over Nintendo and Panda Global for attention. He's rich enough to pay someone to do the streaming work for him.
>>2149533Merry Christmas, and here's to a new year full of ragebait threads about La Reina
>>2151554Dw, I'll make more of those when she's released
>>2152006pls no, I'd prefer actual discussion over /v/ sperging out over the cartoon ant being>not sexy enough / too sexy>too buff, even though ants are known for their strength>female, even though male ants exist to fuck and dieWho am I kidding, /v/ can't talk about video games regardless
>>2152559stop defending terrible designs
>>2152566Found the /v/ sperg
>>2152692
>picked up RoA1 on sale>my RoA2 characters feel weird and different>download La Reina>mfwplease feel the same in 2, please god
>>2152566Genuine surprised you care more about character designs than the lack of content.
>>2152932you will never feel comfortable playing roa2 again
>>2155595i won't like, i can see why some people prefer 1, but i just like both.
the CPUs are ass but this is still pretty fun
I look forward to playing Reina for a day then getting bored because floorfucking is still in the game.
>>2162235Dan knows best. If he says its a good mechanic that means its a good mechanic. Everyone else is WRONG
>>2162240I hope Combo Devils comes out in 2026.
>>2162242Any games like Smash coming out soon? Combo Devils looks cool.
>>2165637i like how you made the text largely unreadable, nice touch
>>2165670>look up the OP because I can't read it>mfw he's STILL crashing out over Kragg and lame playershttps://x.com/CONEY/status/2007163613933662491This is exactly the same shit he was repeating ad nauseam during the crew battle bullshit that Wisely was doing, specifically about Kragg being designed "10 years ago".Brother, you cannot magically will other players into not throwing rock three times in a row as Kragg, no more than you can will other Smash Ultimate players into not playing Steve, Snake, Game & Watch, Min-Min, ROB, Sonic, and Luigi; or SF6 players into not doing Ryu's drive rush overheard mix-ups; or 2XKO players into playing any team except Ekko & Yasuo. You can't even PAY 2XKO players to play other teams. There is no such thing as an ideal fighting game. You must always, ALWAYS compromise, whether you're playing Street Fighter, Tekken, Smash Bros., or Rivals of Dan Fornace's Basement Brawler 2. Even more absurd is the idea of an ideal fighting game populated by your ideal player. If you want people to play like they'd play friendlies at an in-person Project M local circa 2014, get the fuck off Ranked and play lobbies with human beings you can talk to.I'm aware that it looks like I'm the one crashing out here, but I just dislike when content creators use their platform to bitch.
>>2165709Melee seems to be the only game where you can expect people not to play lame. There exists jigglypuff, but aside from that everyone else is just playing the game. It has the lowest rates of lame players out of every other existing platform fighter/fighting game.
>>2166336Is this even true in the age of Slippi? Whenever I get on Slippi, I inevitably end up fighting a Falco player who uses laser as a substitute for neutral, and I'm not consistent enough at powershielding to force them to cut that shit out. Or if it's not a netplay Falco, it's a sauceless Marth or Fox player whose only personality trait is whether they prefer uppers or downers. At least back when I went to locals it was easy to tell which was which.I think there's some truth to the idea that Melee is difficult enough that it filters out people who would prefer to play lame. But on the other hand, one of the top 2 players in the world right now is the poster child for lame Fox players. And there are a ton of top players who are or were considered "lame" by their peers:>Trif>Kodorin>M2K>Hungrybox>Fiction>Chudat>Dizzkidboogieetc., not to mention all the Puff players. Hell, even Zain was considered lame for a few years.The more I think about this, the more I think the issue of "lame" players is the result of the way we play fighting games changing thanks to online and rollback netcode. You don't need to go to locals or practice with people IRL anymore to get good. (On the other hand, the Japanese Ultimate scene has TONS of locals and they are some of the lamest players on the planet.)
>>2167087>Whenever I get on Slippi, I inevitably end up fighting a Falco player who uses laser as a substitute for neutral, and I'm not consistent enough at powershielding to force them to cut that shit out. Or if it's not a netplay Falco, it's a sauceless Marth or Fox player whose only personality trait is whether they prefer uppers or downers.the thing is, they arent painfully annoying to play against because its pretty easy to beat if you're skilled enough. on rivals 2 EVERYONE has some form of lame playstyle and even if i can beat it with ease its always fucking boring. i never have a good time playing against anyone on rivals 2 because theyre all lame and its NEVER fun playing around them. they force you to play their game and it's genuinely mentally exhausting. that's the difference between melee lameness and every other game lameness. at a high level its as insufferable in melee but lucky for me i don't play at a high level. im right where i need to be in mid-high level where people either just wants to play the game or are very lame but can be beaten with ease either way. also the kinds of lame top players youre describing are what i like to call essential lame. its the kind of lame that needs to exist to filter out people who simply dont want it (it meaning win a tournament) enough. if you cant beat high level lameness then you simply dont deserve to win and its actually pretty fun to watch a really good lame player like m2k/hbox in his prime.
I'm fully prepared for La Reina to be absolutely broken on release
>>2165709>>2167087These posts made me think about "lame" play styles and having an "ideal" fighting game. Could these things be related on how the public interacts with the medium at different skill levels? Spectator appeal, casual play, friendlies, online ranked and power ranking have different types of consumers. There's this recent negative behavior where players aren't mature enough for losing at video games. Fighting games are notorious for that. Wished Rivals 2 had VC or text chat to help others on how to play the game. These shortcomings condition lame play styles at a lower experience level.Coney always had bad takes since SSB4, Rivals 2 is designed around a game from 2001. LMAO
it's really not that deep. You fight someone holding down after everything they do, to beat this you do the same things over and over and hold down after everything you do. Both people blame the other person for being lame, no one is happy
>>2167331>Wished Rivals 2 had VC or text chatI loathe how modern fighting games are terrified of letting you talk to the people you're playing with. There's a post on Nolt right now bitching about "toxicity", and I want to bitch slap the OP. People need to grow the fuck up, you're right.
her voice is way too light for her build
all dans been doing for the past few days is replying to people with a bit of implied hostility for critiquing the game. all the guy said was he doesnt like how you get a million options offstage. thats it. its something i agree with myself. i dont think you should have 10x more ways to escape an edgeguard than the edgeguarder has to make the edgeguard work. its not balanced in that aspect. it should be equal. you should have just as many options to edgeguard than the other guy has to escape the edgeguard. this is perfectly fine critique
>>2170173You can very likely go out and hit La Reina at any point that she's doing tricks with the chair. In fact, the very next clip on Stang0's timelines is him doing exactly that with Galvan (and then proceeding to die because he went for Galvan's rapid jab, which fucking sucks): https://x.com/StangoSSBM/status/2007818172314046623>barely whiffs a second bair that would have killed>opts for rapid jab instead of jab 2 into ftilt, which would have killedI do think that La Reina should go into pratfall after the second piledriver like she does in RoA1, and her down special shouldn't refresh if she touches ledge, only the ground. And considering how balance changes related to recoveries have trended:>giving Ranno a greater delay before he can double jump out of tongue sling>nerfing Orcane's side special>nerfing Clairen's side special>nerfing Olympia's side special so she can't jump out of itIt'll likely be the first thing that happens to her.But on edgeguarding in general, I mostly play Olympia, and the majority of my opponents don't do anything to actually stop her primary recovery mix-up even though it's perfectly within their character's power. Some players will let me rat trick from the blast zone and grab ledge for free because they think>Oh, there's no way Olympia's making it backAll you have to do to prevent low rat trick is ledgehog her. Others will let me gem dash 3 times in a row offstage because they just fucking refuse to go offstage and break gem when it's 5 feet from the wall. And then there's the Fleet players who refuse to use float fair to break down special's no matter how many times I FADC directly to ledge, but enough.A lot of players just aren't edgeguarding when they have the resources to do it, and do nothing to expend their opponent's resources. They'll take one cautious jump offstage with full resources, say, "Oh no, I'm about to get mixed / reversal'd," and back off. At least take the %.
>>2170173>you should have just as many options to edgeguard than the other guy has to escape the edgeguardAlso, how do you have fewer resources when edgeguarding than recovering?
>patch isn't even out yet>Zetterburn players are having public meltdowns over global changes that half the early access playtesters didn't even noticeI have doomposting fatigue
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2217000/view/501718945006358632Patch is up. Too many changes to list.
yea reina is broken
how do you punish reina's special ledge attack? shit's so fast and pops her in the air. everything she does pops her in the air.
>>2172087Have you pressed one of your bumpers?
>>2172120You are insufferable. Are all ROA2 players this cunty over basic questions?
>>2172134Just shield it
>>2172134Yes
>>2172134welcome to rivals 2 discussion, it's been like this since the beta btw
>>2171430>sandstormgg: character is mid>sandstormgg: no one is going to play her
la reina's fun but i can't fucking kill with her
>>2162235>exactly as predictedWelp
>>2174454don't worry they'll "nerf" it next patch and then blame you for leaving again
Dan communicating with the community is a double-edged sword. Dan clearly cares and developers do need to dig their feet in and defend their design philosophy, but doing it on Twitter and unscripted developer streams is providing fuel to frustrated players who want to fan the flames of discontent.That said, I don't blame Dan even if I think it's a bad idea. I watched an hour or so of early access La Reina streams and it was exhausting. Both streams I watched had 3+ players sitting in a Discord call, reacting to La Reina, and it was just>THIS IS SO BROKEN, HAHAHA>THIS IS SO STUPID, HAHAHAToo many players have hyperbolic perspectives on characters and patches. Like they're calling La Reina uair broken, and then the next day everyone realizes you have an eternity to DI out during the animation. I'd be crashing out on social media if I had to listen to these annoying doomer-zoomers on Nolt, Discord, Twitter, and Reddit.The obvious solution is to get the fuck off these sites and hire someone to filter through the garbage for you.
https://x.com/i/status/2009369019061817528Dan's down bad again
>>2175363>not plupi sleep>i think this game is sick, it's tons of fun and i hope it gets more attention with timestfu armada stop being positive
I think people were gassing up La Reina way too hard, this character has terminal Marthitis
>>2176757People gas up every character, pretend they're heccin cool and fun, then the honeymoon phase dies down and they all get bored of it then stop playing altogether while waiting for the next character. It's a cycle that will repeat on until the game eventually dies
>>2177211>pretendI do think La Reina is fun, though. And everyone I've watched play her (while trying to figure how to fucking kill with her) has had nothing but positive things to say about the character's design. No one pretended that Etalus and Absa are fun (except Animal, Adam, and Ant, maybe there's something in the A-name's water).But the curse of >>2155595 is half-true. She feels off because I'm used to her RoA1 version now. The chair especially doesn't feel right to me, it sends at a much more consistent inward direction in 1. Not to mention that it's missing the satisfying metal thunk. They should fix that, at least.
>watching plub's la reina>someone asks how RoA2 could get a bigger player base>well... they could pay big streamers to play the game>mfw remembering that Ludwig paid Mang0 to stream the game for X months and then he just... didn't (and then got cancelled)>mfw remembering that Ludwig was very conveniently the only person who didn't stream Wisely Wars despite owning the company that's supposed to promote the fucking game and having one gorillion Twitch and YouTube followersi'd probably be fucking seething at Offbrand if I was in Aether Studio's position. Fucking Lucky, whom Mang0 lets stream on his account, has probably put in more hours making RoA2 look good to an audience.
>>2178171its true that the game is getting fucked in the marketing department but at the end of the day it is a barebones compfag game. the numbers were never going to be particularly high unless every compfag in the niche showed up and stayed loyal (impossible when smash exists). they really shouldve prioritized workshop as well.
>>2178810they're prioritizing workshop before console release, so we'll see. i'm expecting a workshop beta by march. some people are upset that they're prioritizing workshop over console release, but i think it's the correct choice. console release REALLY needs to be polished and they're still getting all sorts of performance complaints even on PC. i don't know how / why, my fucking laptop can run it.
>>2178171You cant force people to play the game. It just needs to be good enough and people will come naturally. Thats a more respectable way to get more players.
>>2179019i think casuals just need more casuals to play against. there are a lot of players in plat and diamond whom, had i the physical means, i would greatly enjoy shoving into a locker. i know how to play the game, i shudder to imagine how people who don't feel about these subhumans. it's kind of a self-fulfilling failure: lower levels of play suck because there aren't enough low level players. in other games, these are attracted with. with IP wankery and singleplayer content. RoA2, by its nature, fails in both of those regards.maybe evo. maybe not.
La reina is so fucking sexy omg manside note casual here and holy fuck these maps suck
I'm so ass at the game I just play against bots.
>wake up>la reina is a mid tierwowwho would have thought
reina is mid tier if youre boringreina is top tier if you like going for hard reads
I have yet to watch a single la reina clip that led to me thinking "wow, this character is sick". its all just random button mashing and boring edgeguards
>>2181279I've come to the conclusion that she needs the chair way more than her Ro1 counterpart. People are going to need to lab chair setups to do disgusting stuff with her, she's just too stubby and slow otherwise.
>"special" dev stream tomorrow>promo art has a weird green background instead of the usual pink onei assume this is the>hey guys workshop soon here's how it works pls be patientstream
>>2179019>It just needs to be good enough and people will come naturally.Project M and Rushdown Revolt laugh at your naïveté.
>>2182700>Project MDid extremely well, far better than any other Smash mod in regards to building a competitive scene, and only died when it was murdered by a combinations of blacklists and legal pressure. >Rushdown RevoltIs this bait?
>>2181872https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxVUEdCARG4It was indeed Workshop beta
>>2182700Project M had very active brackets up until TOs started getting spooked by Nintendo and dropped it unceremoniously. And then Nintendo did actually intervene and PM tournaments were exiled from venues to the Best Western down the street.>Rushdown RevoltYou mean Icons 2.0? The dumpster fire that squandered any and all goodwill from potential players like three times over?
>>2182700>pmLiterally everyone loved pm >rushdown revolt Lol
>take a break>getting raped by platinum shittersIt's weird: when I watch other, better players play, it's like their opponents just don't block, parry, or floorhug anything. But when I play>I'm like .2s late to every punish>even when I'm not, they just floorhug everything
>>2184549It's because they do a good job at overwhelming their opponents, which makes them play worse as a result
>>2185566they are gonna need a second platform
>>2185566Wretched, thank you
>>2185566My wife is not fat!
Make La Reina's dtilt worse, give her dair and ustrong more lenient hitboxes like RoA1, give the chair a satisfying metal hit sound effect, and I'll be happy.
They finally balanced Clairenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKHN5OyI6AI
>>2187579I like that this guy released a tutorial a day later https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih0EtyLQQw8Also, I look forward to people just balancing the characters themselves as a proof of concept. I genuinely want to see someone release a version of Clairen where her run speed is actually proportional to her RoA1 run speed. Imagine modded versions of every character where their attacks actually have endlag. The Noltposting possibilities are endless.>UE5 has an in-engine animation editor>you can splice together animationsCrazy
We need clairen but without the timestop gimmick pronto
What is wrong with the input in this game? I keep stumbling on the same weird behavior where I try to reverse wavedash, or whatever it's called, but I keep moving on the exact opposite direction my character is facing. And I am not talking about as if I've pressed the sequence too fast, it's like my inputs from dozens of frames ago got "stuck" in the buffer. I can drop the control entirely and wave dash into a given direction, and my character will still move to the opposite direction. It's maddening
>>2178171I like the game, and I even think it's the best fighting game out there, but if there's one thing we've learned in the last decade is that the public does not like PLAYING fighting games. It's an unforgiven, niched genre, which is a tough sell
>>2189660Have you looked at your input history in training mode? Sounds like some hardware issue desu.
>thousands of people have issues with controllers/inputs in this game specifically and no other game >ermm must be youlol. even spargo had random sudden issues. its the game. https://x.com/Sparg0ssb/status/2012374166553677978
>>2190457Okay.
>>2182700This post is correct about Rushdown Revolt and Project M. RDR/Icons failing and getting laughed at shows the shortcomings of what not to do when making a game about the competitive Melee gameplay loop. My respect to the devs who held on with their artistic vision.In the other hand, let's not pretend Project M was a good product. For a Brawl mod on an easily modded console, best thing to ever happen on Wii HB. You are either naive or delusional if you think Nintendo was going to embrace it like Valve. Nintendo being such a heavy handed Japanese company scared of piracy. As a mod, it wasn't interesting enough for Nintendo to support. They still sold games like Brawlhalla, RoA1, Slap City and NASB2 on the eShop.>>2189672Sure, Smash Ultimate sold 37M copies and Multiversus peaked at 153.4K on Steam alone. Everyone moved on, but it's not hopeless to play and promote games in this genre.
>boot up game>queue casual>immediately matched with a guy on my retarded wavelength>play 40 fucking matches with himWhen this game's fun, it's fun
>>2191676Still needs voice chat
>>2191689We're never getting voice chat in a fighting game ever again
>>2191695I just want to help the other guy to not quit the game :(
>>2191702For every 1 player who will use voice chat like a normal human being, there are 2 who will use it to call their opponents niggers and faggots. No developer wants to deal with that in 202X. There are already enough bitches on Nolt butthurt that there are trash-talking emotes.
>>2191689i prefer chat.. you know typing to people. i like typing to people. >>2191706>adds /muteall for the pussiesnow whats the issue? genuinely what would be the issue here?
>>2191706MW2 mic spammers telling you to kys back in the day were more easygoing than these sissy killjoys.Getting people to try the game is hard. Feel like gaming discourse is impossible now, because so many people are in their bubble from a handful of specific genres. Maybe Steam Workshop and FEX will help bring in more players.>>2191753Typing is fine, would prefer both since I play on controller.
>>2191706Voice chat is in every newer mortal kombat game and no one cares. I don't understand why people believe its not something you can get away with nowadays.
>>2191785Bitches brigading devs to make themselves feel good.
>>2191769>Getting people to try the game is hardWorkshop is going to take a while to get off the ground. I'm not expecting any original characters for at least 2-3 months. I'm expecting some uber autistic fan base with enough NEET trannies to do the heavy lifting, like Undertale / Deltarune or Pseudoreglia, to produce some of the earliest characters.I doubt whether Smashfags will EVER play the game. I can understand Melee players because it's so distinct from RoA2 and much more technically demanding, but Ultimate players perplex me. Ultimate has been out for 8 years, everyone knows that competitive Ultimate is a fucking farce; safe, auto-cancel aerials, spot dodge canceling, neutral air dodge, directional air dodge to ledge, 6f delay and 9f input buffer, 3f jumpsquat, footstool i-frames, and all the character-specific bullshit - it's all bad. Even if you delete every DLC character from the game, you're left with a meta where Sonic, Snake, G&W, ROB, Luigi, Diddy Kong, and Pikachu dominate.You listen to these motherfuckers talk about the game and they're miserable. The input delay is ass, the online is ass, the meta is cancer, there's 2-4 more years of Ultimate before the next game, Luminosity is dead and there's no money in Smash, no one wants to travel to tournaments, top players keep taking "breaks" from the game, and more importantly>Brawl was anti-competitive>4 was anti-competitive>Ultimate was polished, but anti-competitivebut they're drooling for Smash 6.Smash was my first fighting game and I still play Melee / P+, but I just don't understand Smashfags' fanatical devotion to a series that simply abuses you more the more you try to get good at it.
>>2191839Feel your pain, anon. In hindsight, it's painful how we've seen 3 Smash games since Evo 2013 and ROM 6 with no genre defining games outside of Nintendo. Hoping this year RoA2 gets more interest.
